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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-01-06

---Logopened Thu Jan 06 00:00:11 2011
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00:00<acu>chealer: no gdm
00:00<acu>both have gdm
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00:30<bama_boy>does debian has a ncurse application to handle services
00:33<sleven>Hi bama
00:34<sleven>look in the Synaptic Package Manager
00:34<sleven>type in ncurse in the search bar
00:34<bama_boy>i cant coz i dont have a a de
00:35<bama_boy>i mean desktop environment
00:35<sleven>hold on
00:38<bama_boy>i found it
00:38<sleven>there are quite a few ncurses packages
00:38<bama_boy>someone pm me
00:38<bama_boy>its rcconf
00:38<bama_boy>thanks anyway
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00:40<sleven>can you tell me how to unpack a tar.gz file?
00:40<bama_boy>tar -xsf filename
00:41<sleven>in Gnome
00:42<bama_boy>right click on the file and then extract
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00:43<sleven>Open with the Archive Manager?
00:43<chealer>acu: KDE's display manager is kdm
00:44<bama_boy>sleven: ya
00:46<sleven>It was supposed to be a read me file
00:47<sleven>but it created a folder with 4 sub folders and a bunch of python files
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00:48<bama_boy>can you tell me what is the file name
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00:50<bama_boy>how can this be a readme file
00:51<sleven>I must be tired, the read me file was sitting right beside the tar.gz
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01:45<hagenz>i can't synchronize my clock: 7 Jan 09:36:58 ntpdate[7635]: no server suitable for synchronization found
01:46<hagenz>what are suitable servers?
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01:47<hagenz>i tryed many servers
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01:54<hagenz>sney: no dice
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01:54<hagenz>i still have the 7-th of january :)
01:55*hagenz the man of future
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02:04<jm_>hagenz: try using ntpdate-debian
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02:13<mixalis>Hi, I am using Debian Squeeze. When I go to upgrade my system with aptitude, aptitude want to install a lot of new packages that I don't need like evolution. How to tell aptitude do not install those packages?
02:13<hagenz>jm_: it is the name of the packet?
02:14<sney>mixalis: there's a flag to stop it installing recommended packages, I think it's -no-recommends but you should check the man page for aptitude
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02:16<jm_>hagenz: it's a command, part of ntpdate package
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02:24<hagenz>jm_: the same problem
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02:25<mixalis>in path /etc/apt i have create a file apt.conf and i have put this lines APT::Install-Recommends "0"; APT::Install-Suggests "0";. is that not enough
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02:27<jm_>hagenz: do you have a server specified in /etc/default/ntpdate?
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02:30<hagenz>jm_: no
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02:30<jm_>hagenz: then put it there
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02:37<hagenz>jm_: ok
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03:46<hagenz>jm_: no dice
03:48<jm_>hagenz: and if you add -u switch to NTPOPTIONS? are you sure your firewall is not blocking it?
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03:51<hagenz>jm_: i added -u. it works, thanks a lot
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03:53<jm_>hagenz: good
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04:52<zem>here's one: on my numeric part of keyboard, i have "," as decimal separator, what i want is ".", any (simple) way to change that?
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04:56<cahoot>in X? then I think you still can use Xmodmap
04:57<Kristian>you can indeed
04:57<Kristian>hmm, not sure if that will eat up the regular «,», it shouldn't. xev will tell you that though. Pretty sure they use different keycodes
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05:27<zem>yay, it works, finaly i can wrtite ip address with one hand, thank you!
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06:33<bigtone>hey folks, I am trying to create a debian live CD, with root fs encryption. I did the l"lh config --encryption aes256" (and also aes128 later). Booting the resultant ISO with KVM shows the following after I enter the password: "ioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: Invalid argument, requested cipher or key length (256 bits) not supported by kernel"
06:34<bigtone>I tried (naively) adding modules to the /etc/initramfs-tools/modules file, including cryptoloop, aes-x86_64 and aes_generic, but it made no difference
06:34<seeS>im not an expert but dont you need the required modules in your initrd image?
06:34<seeS>ah ha. you have
06:35<seeS>its only a guess, but id say your missing some other non-obvious module
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06:37<bigtone>is putting them sufficient to get them loaded during bootup, or only enough to get them included in initrd?
06:37<seeS>you need to remake the initrd image
06:38<bigtone>yes, "lh build" does that - confirmed by extracting the initrd after build, and seeing that the /lib/modules/*/kernel/crypto modules are present
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06:39<bigtone>ahh ok
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06:58<bigtone>seeS: thanks, that worked
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07:36<debiandesper>hi i need put in this in xorg.conf dpi- 100 how to? now i can start with $ startx -- -dpi 100 but when i reboot the problem is here the fonts are very small
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07:36<jm_>debiandesper: try /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
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07:37<debiandesper>ok go
07:37<jm_>otherwise it's DisplaySize xorg.conf setting which controls the value of DPI
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07:49<debiandesper>i try display size but nothing
07:50<debiandesper>and try with xserverrc and nothing too
07:51<jm_>check x logfile - driver will typically mention DPI there
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07:52<debiandesper>i have a VIA and work with open chrome
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07:52<debiandesper>i have a VIA and work with openchrome
07:52<debiandesper>i have a VIA and work with openchrome
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08:24<nutterpc>morning all
08:25<nutterpc>had to set a damn pc up, geez i hate windows 7
08:27<Y_Plentyn>dont do that, then
08:27*Y_Plentyn grins
08:28<nutterpc>was for my old folks tho
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08:28<Y_Plentyn>give them KDE...
08:28<nutterpc>i wish
08:28<nutterpc>they dont want to know about linux
08:28<nutterpc>they've alrdy made that clear
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08:30<Y_Plentyn>oh well... and you do not want to meddle with MS...
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08:30<nutterpc>my little EEEPC is running Debian Squeeze with full LinuxPHC support
08:30<Y_Plentyn>so they can solve their problems themselves or use linux ;)
08:30<nutterpc>and everything works :)
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08:31<Y_Plentyn>but... i am the extremist...
08:31<nutterpc>hey atm im getting close to 5hrs under debian atm on this bad boy
08:31<nutterpc>with the way its configured
08:32<nutterpc>hmmm, to watch the man show or iron chef america
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08:33<nutterpc>if i could find a way to be able to recompile my deb system easily enuff, and get a DistCC cluster going, i would
08:33<nutterpc>but its a case of Time/Effort
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08:34<babilen>nutterpc: Why would you want to do that? (just curious)
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08:34<nutterpc>its what ive been doing on linux/bsd installs for years
08:34<nutterpc>normally my desktops are always subjected to the most torture
08:35<babilen>nutterpc: OK, but why?
08:36<babilen>I can see the point in port based distributions, but on Debian ? :-\
08:36<nutterpc>to get something that's generally nice/fast & optimised *to a point*, but if i get something running better beforehand, i leave it
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08:37<nutterpc>the most optimising i might do is recompile a new kernel, add a few sysctl tweaks, thats about it
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08:39<nutterpc>i have a home server to go do in a few days as well, thats where its gunna be fun, lol
08:39<romki_>Hi all! I want to change the keyboard layout for tty1 (and login), I tried "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration", didn't change anything for login. Anybody wanna help?
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08:40<babilen>romki_: Lenny or Squeeze?
08:40<romki_>I use aptosid (debian sid)
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08:40<dpkg>aptosid (formerly sidux) is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid. It is not supported in #debian. #aptosid on
08:40<dpkg>Lenny users: To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" (use loadkeys for once-only/temporary adjustments). To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" and ask me about <drxx>; gnome-control-center and kcontrol can also be used. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. Squeeze users: run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" for both console and X.
08:41<nutterpc>lol, that was easy babilen
08:41<babilen>romki_: Unfortunately aptosid is not supported in here, but the factoid mentioned by dpkg might be all you need. Ask further questions in #aptosid
08:41<romki_>ok ok. thanks anyway
08:42<nutterpc>oh good lord
08:42<nutterpc>iron chef america is gunna be interesting
08:42<babilen>good luck (dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration works well on squeeze (and probably sid, but i haven't tested that) so it might be due to changes in aptosid -- ask them)
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08:43<nutterpc>they usin Barramundi as the secret ingredient
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08:43<babilen>nutterpc: #debian-offtopic ;)
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08:44<nutterpc>yea I kno :P, but ot is like a ghost town atm, u can watch the tumbleweeds roll by!
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08:48<mynaps>axo k ola
08:48<mynaps>kien ay aki??
08:49<babilen>!es-social mynaps
08:49<dpkg>mynaps: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
08:49<mynaps>one poop for you
08:49<babilen>mynaps: Or speak English in here if you have a Debian related question. There is also #debian-es for Debian support in Spanish.
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08:50<mynaps>un puton
08:50<babilen>mynaps: Pardon?
08:50<mynaps>im from spain
08:50<mynaps>no from england
08:50<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
08:50<mynaps>me cago en to lo k se menea
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08:51<mynaps>aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah haahahaha
08:52<mynaps>m voy a come
08:52<mynaps>killo xau!!!1
08:52<mynaps>a folla
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08:53<mynaps>ola hdddh
08:53<mynaps>where are you from?
08:53<mynaps>de donde eres?
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08:53<mynaps>ola tazz
08:54<mynaps>hello tazz
08:54<mynaps>bonjour tazz
08:54<tazz>ola mynaps
08:54<mynaps>eres español?
08:54<babilen>mynaps: Stop it please
08:54<tazz>me no hablo español :p
08:54<mynaps>a ok
08:54<mynaps>you speak english?
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08:55<tazz>anyways, you seem fairly kicked to see me here.
08:55<mynaps>oh my got ,y cant speak very english
08:55<mynaps>i dont understand you
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08:56<tazz>mynaps, you seem very excited to see me here. Any particular reason ?
08:56<mynaps>one moment I go to eat
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08:56<devil>take your time. like forever...
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09:34<mynaps>who is this?
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09:49<iatn>Tried a few differrent suggestions but can't get my keymap setup under squeeze. One thing I'd like to know is how to see a list of valid options for LANG?
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09:50<iatn>I want UK keymap, not US under X
09:50<iatn>aka gimme mah quids!
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09:51<iatn>btw I'm running LXDE under AVLinux (squeeze)
09:52<iatn>LXDE doesn't let you select keymap under its keyboard config tool
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09:53<cahoot>what do you mean by: AVLinux (squeeze)?
09:54<ansgar>!based on debian
09:54<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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09:58<iatn>cahoot, OK- I'm nearly there now. Looks like I need a command like:
09:58<iatn>setxkbmap -layout 'gb,us' -model pc105
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09:59<iatn>but that one gives me a question mark instead of the pound sign
09:59<iatn>no brit deb heads?
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09:59<cahoot>iatn: you didn't get the hint?
09:59<iatn>but it has fixed " and @ being swapped
09:59<iatn>cahoot, Nice!
10:00<iatn>cahoot, Don't be such a purist- it looks bad for the community
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10:00<iatn>The diffs between AVLinux and pure Deb will be minimal at best
10:01<cahoot>like the difference between £ and ?
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10:01<iatn>cahoot, Yes well I'm nearly there now so thanks for the tip anyway
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10:46<aXE_>hi debian people ..
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10:46<kop>aXE_: Hi. You have a question?
10:47<aXE_>nope - i dont have a question
10:48<aXE_>but thanks for asking (:
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10:51<ballison>i have a mail/cron question.
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10:51<ballison>i have a script that runs every night out of /etc/cron.daily/ and mails the results of the script out.
10:52<ballison>the problem is it sends out the mail as ""
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10:52<ballison>I'd like to override the from line. Can you do that with "mail" ?
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10:52<nutterpc>edit the script then :P
10:52<ballison>my mail line is cat /tmp/report.txt | mail
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10:53<nutterpc>u know what i find works, a hammer
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10:55<kop>ballison: man mail
10:56<aXE_>maybe make a new user for this mail task - then it should be ""
10:56<ballison>kop: Doh! Helps if read. i didn't see the -r flag
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10:57<aXE_>mail -u user
10:57<aXE_>( from man mail )
10:57<ballison>mail -u reads the mailbox. that's not what i wanted. mail -r is what i think i wanted. it overrides the from field.
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10:59<ballison>that worked. perfect. thanks all.
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11:44<jthomas_sb>I have a Debian server with Samba and LDAP running. Samba can authenticate over LDAP when I connect with a Linux guest, but when I try to connect with XP the authentication fails every time. Anyone know why?
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11:47<Lextor>salve a tutti
11:48<kop>jthomas_sb: Probably one of those winbind things. I poke it with a stick. Don't you have to issue one of those "net" commands on the client one time only? #samba on freenode might help. Also, make sure the clocks are syched.
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11:48<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
11:48<kop>jthomas_sb: Also the samba wiki is very helpful.
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11:50<jthomas_sb>kop thanks, I'll look at it. i think the windows command 'net use \\address\share x:' is the same as mounting the network drive, which isn't working. works fine on a linux client, as i said. i'll check into the wiki perhaps.
11:51<jthomas_sb>not sure what you mean by 'winbind things' tho
11:51<jthomas_sb>i have the logging turned up to 5 and Samba still doesn't say much of anything
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11:54<jthomas_sb>ompaul and kop thanks but "Winbind unifies UNIX and Windows NT account management by allowing a UNIX box to become a full member of an NT domain" — we're using LDAP on Linux across the board, no NT anything
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11:56<kop>jthomas_sb: I don't recall much about samba. It's bug-for-bug compatible and I don't want to know. But there is a net command that must be issued, once only, on the client before you can do anything. Sorry, I don't recall details.
11:56<ompaul>jthomas_sb: do the windows boxes know that
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11:57<jthomas_sb>kop i wish i knew what 'net' command you were talking about; I've never seen that.
11:57<jthomas_sb>ompaul why do they care? they pass the auth info to the server which should either accept or decline the login
11:58<kop>jthomas_sb: net join?
11:58<jthomas_sb>what are you saying needs to be done, kop?
11:59<jthomas_sb>we have a lot of mahcines here that work over Samba to other servers fine, and we don't need to run that.
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11:59<sney>so it's more of a workgroup setup than a structured domain
11:59<sney>one problem you may have had is that your windows command was backwards. it's net use x: \\foo\bar
11:59<sney>(yes, those are backslashes)
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12:00<jthomas_sb>i wasn't using a command, just wrote it here to say its the same idea as 'map network drive'
12:00<kop>jthomas_sb: I just remember having to do "that", years ago, when I had to mess with a linux samba server with MS clients.
12:00<sney>but you should also be able to navigate straight to the share by sticking \\foo\bar in an address bar
12:00<comm2k>net use x: \\server\share /user:usernam password
12:00<inst>if I build a new kernel, and it doesn't boot, and I get no output, what should I do to figure out what's wrong?
12:00<jthomas_sb>sney i've never been clear on whats the difference between a workgroup or a domain
12:01<sney>a workgroup is windows's understanding of a regular LAN, with no domain controllers or nameservers running the show. if you're plugged in and in the same subnet, you're in the workgroup.
12:01<jthomas_sb>thanks comm2k but i don't need that info, i need to know why an XP machine won't authenticate but a Linux machine will, to a Samba server wth LDAP
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12:01<comm2k>oh - never fiddled with LDAP
12:01<kop>jthomas_sb: The clocks are syched?
12:02<jthomas_sb>sney define a domain controller then?
12:02<sney>domains are controlled by domain servers, and - more recently - active directory servers. you can't be a member of the domain or access its resources unless you've been added to the domain, usually a user-based auth process though sometimes machines need to be added manually
12:02<sney>the domain controller is just the machine that holds the list of authable users/connected machines
12:02<jthomas_sb>kop yes they are, within a few second if not closer
12:02<jthomas_sb>so then yes sney we have LDAP servers and local nameservers. Defining these things as such has always seemed to be an MS thing to me
12:03<kop>jthomas_sb: And that's what I'm thinking may be missing. (Kerberos relies on timestamps. I don't know how far off they can get, you may be fine, but it's always best to run ntp and not have to think about it.)
12:03<sney>jthomas_sb: also, idiot check - Windows probably doesn't see your local network DNS. tried navigating to the share with just the IP address?
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12:03<jthomas_sb>the linux server is on ntp; the windows guest is currently a VM which is synced to my linux desktop NTP time.
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12:04<kop>jthomas_sb: Sounds fine.
12:04<jthomas_sb>sney tried with IP and with netbios name, still won't authenticate
12:04<zeus>hi all, today is my server maintenance day. dpkg -l report i've installed x11-session-utils and it's flagged rc (marked for Remove, and Configured). How can i know why this package has been installed? (i use linux headless)
12:04<kop>jthomas_sb: The missing part being joining the domain.
12:04<kop>zeus: apt-cache tells you.
12:05<jthomas_sb>joining the domain how? access to network resources require ldap login, but logging into the machines themselves do not
12:05<jthomas_sb>the local desktop machines are not ldap-authorized
12:05<kop>jthomas_sb: Dunno. I'm all out of samba-fu. :-/
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12:05<ompaul>zeus: to be a little more verbose you might like to try it this way: apt-cache rdepends x11-session-utils
12:06<inst>when I try to boot my new kernel, grub doesn't even get to "Decompressing Linux... Parsing ELF... done.\nBooting the kernel." stage
12:06<kop>ompaul: If it's marked for removal, are there still records of why it was installed in the first place?
12:06<ompaul>jthomas_sb: tbh that is all windows and samba or ##windows and #samba and I didn't see you say "yeah I tried to navigate to it using IP alone" but that's just me
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12:07<ompaul>kop: actually good point, don't know
12:07<ompaul>zeus: ^^
12:07<jthomas_sb>ompaul navigate how? i've tried to MAP the share with IP and with name
12:07<ompaul>jthomas_sb: \\ip\
12:07<sney>jthomas_sb: open the run dialog and just type that ^
12:08*ompaul wishes he didn't even know that much about windows
12:08<jthomas_sb>ok done, and prompted for user/pass which worked there.
12:08<zeus>ompaul: apt-cache rdepends x11-session-utils report it's used by xorg and xutils i havve no x installed. Do you think i can do an aptitude purge x11-session-utils without breaking anything ? is it secure o i risk to destroy my debian ?
12:08<sney>jthomas_sb: ok, so it's definitely just a windows problem
12:09<sney>zeus: it might try to remove whatever else you installed
12:09<ompaul>zeus: something tells me you had something else in there
12:09<ompaul>zeus: so unsure
12:09<smv>aptitude purge -s x11-session-utils
12:10*ompaul awards kop the crown
12:10<kop>zeus: It'll prompt and ask. If you don't see anything you want, you can remove it. But note that just because you're headless does not mean you can't run x clients to display on some x server somewhere else.
12:10<jthomas_sb>ompaul and sney i can open \\\ and I authenticate correctly and i see the shares, but I cannot then get to the shares
12:10<zeus>ompaul: thanks
12:11<sney>jthomas_sb: what's the error message? access denied?
12:11<zeus>smv: let's try ...
12:11<ompaul>jthomas_sb: my last words on this ##windows #samba on I don't have any additional info for ya
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12:11<sney>yeah, what ompaul said
12:11<sney>I'm a former Wintel admin but this is hellishly offtopic
12:11<sney>I expect chealer or abrotman to chastize me any moment now
12:12<ompaul>I think we'd get booted from #debian-offtopic for that :)
12:12<jthomas_sb>thanks friends. sney there is no error, WinXP Exploerer just hangs and becomes (Not Responding)
12:12<sney>oh windows
12:12<kop>sney: Seems sorta borderline to me.
12:13<kop>sney: Although I suppose it is all MS-land at this point.
12:13<sney>kop: unless there's something in the debian package of samba causing this - which is super unlikely - it's not a Debian issue
12:13<jthomas_sb>not a Debian issue but likely a configuration issue, which i think is on-topic
12:13<ompaul>kop: if I have no more data and can't advise and others seem to be stabbing in the dark and there is a better place, it just seems to me to be that bit much :)
12:13<kop>sney: There's also his debian configs, which sound like they are fine (but then who knows. You more than me so ok, OT.)
12:14<sney>jthomas_sb: either way, you've exhausted #debian's windows-literate resources (I have to leave) so you've come to the end of the road here
12:14<jthomas_sb>:) thanks all
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12:26<jthomas_sb>resolved it — needed to put in 'browsable = yes' for some reason or other. thanks sney, ompaul, kop
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12:41<coltragon>I'm kind of new to linux, i'm using BackTrack 4 distro
12:41<coltragon>I accidently selected a different theme.
12:41<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
12:41<retrospectacus>coltragon, we don't support backtrack here. Why are you using it if you're new to linux?
12:41<coltragon>Well i know
12:41<coltragon>But it's a basic linux problem
12:41<coltragon>A debian user could fix it too probaly
12:42<coltragon>Whatever i do, the icons stay yellow-blue
12:42<coltragon>I can choose a different theme, i tried everything. But the icons stay at this ugly yellow blue
12:42<cahoot>your system caught hepatitis
12:43<coltragon>Oh noes! :P
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12:51<tash>my ethernet card is not detected while instaling :(
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12:52<dvs>tash: what version are you trying to install
12:52<MetreM>@tash: try squeeze version, it's work for me
12:53<tash>even unstable does not detect it
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12:53<tash>a netinstall
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12:54<tash>the wiki says that the daily build should work, but it doesn't
12:54<matte3560>how can i add contrib packages to aptitude? i'm trying to install java
12:54<dpkg>[contrib] Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>.
12:55<tash>matte3560: you don't need contrib to install java
12:55<tash>!tell matte3560 about java
12:55<matte3560>oh, so i can just use openjdk?
12:56<tash>sure you can
12:56<tash>unless you need an specific lib from oracle's java
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12:57<tash>it all depends of your needs
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12:58<matte3560>well, i'm going to run a minecraft server... is there a way for me to check what libs it needs?
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13:00<scratchy>hiho, im running embdebian (console only) and want to disable the "blackscreen" (powersave?!) for tty0
13:00<scratchy>where can i find a config for that?
13:00<tash>matte3560: uhh that exceds my knowledge
13:00<chealer>matte3560: ask minecraft
13:01<matte3560>i figure i'll just give it a shot, i can always uninstall if it doesnt work
13:01<bluenemo>does this execute my bash script every five minutes (crontab): */5 * * * * root /bin/bash /root/
13:01<scratchy>blueemo: yes
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13:02<bluenemo>scratchy, thank you :)
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13:04<bluenemo>my hdd's in my home-server sleep after 20 minutes with hdparm -S 240. when i shut down my home-server, it sadly spins the disks up before shutting down again.. how could i prevent that?
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13:05<Name1ess>sounds like it's clearing the cache, or 'parking' the drives - not sure if you can prevent it
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13:07<Name1ess>where to look to un-assign the CTRL-TAB from desktop paging? KDE3.5
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13:24<_julian_>I want to install squeeze from a usb-stick. I downloaded vmlinuz and initrd.gz from: - but where can I find a matching iso?
13:26<bluenemo_>_julian_, i read a lot of tutorials that clain they would get that to work with normal cd iso's.. however, i never got it to work to boot and install from a usb stick.. i did it once, but that was a few years ago..
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13:27<_julian_>dvs: this is a lenny iso, isn't it?
13:27<dvs>oh squeeze
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13:35<comm2k>_julian_ have you checked ?
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13:35<_julian_>comm2k: ah, this looks good. trying
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13:36<comm2k>if you need full builds (not netinstall) look here
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13:38<EmleyMoor>Is there any alternative to joy2key that will actually work well?
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13:41<EmleyMoor>Alternatively, can anyone tell me how to get joy2key to work with fuse-emulator?
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13:46<retrospectacus>debian rules!!
13:48<Name1ess>it would rule more if Firefox was available through apt
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13:49<retrospectacus>Rubbish, of course it wouldn't. Then it would be less free.
13:49<retrospectacus>I prefer that everything on my computer is MINE, not mozilla's
13:50<Name1ess>i prefer to use software that WORKS
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13:50<Name1ess>iceweasel cannot install adblock plus
13:50<retrospectacus>sure it can
13:50<Name1ess>and browsing without adblock plus is NOT an option
13:50<Name1ess>retrospectacus: lies
13:50<Name1ess>if you think so, go install it
13:51<retrospectacus>I already have, I'll screenshot it for you
13:51<Name1ess>note that I said adblock PLUS, NOT simply adblock
13:53<retrospectacus> Note the abP and lack of ads
13:55<f0rk>Name1ess: I have ABP on Iceweasel
13:55<Name1ess>i'd like to know how
13:55<Name1ess>simply installing it don't work
13:56<Name1ess>i even changes the browser tag in about:config
13:56<retrospectacus>I have a load of FF extensions on my Iceweasel, just click install on the plugin website... :|
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13:56<Name1ess>retrospectacus: you think I didn't try that?
13:56<e-mode>ABP here too... without changing anything at all
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13:57<retrospectacus>Name1ess: no, I think everyone else did and it worked
14:00<gruetzkopf>tried it just now, worked fine
14:01<Name1ess>pic related
14:01<Name1ess>ABP works in firefox, not in iceweasel
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14:06<rpetre>Name1ess: i use abp 1.3.3 in my up-to-date iceweasel from squeeze with no hiccups
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14:08<retrospectacus>Name1ess: it could be some small library mismatch stemming from your use of KDE3
14:08<Name1ess>might be
14:08<Name1ess>but i dont like kde4
14:08*Name1ess is too picky for the Linux crowd
14:10<cahoot>a connoisseur?
14:10<Name1ess>just picky
14:10<Name1ess>connoisseur implies (to me) expensive tastes, only the bestofthebest
14:11<Name1ess>i just want what i want
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14:18<rpetre>Name1ess: it also usually implies invisible irony quotes ;)
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14:20<Name1ess>well, it's kinda frustrating. As a relative newb to Linux, I find it real tough to do the simplest things -- especially tough since I am a 'pro' at Win9x, and 'advanced' (less than pro) at Winxp
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14:21<Name1ess>instructions from linux 'pros' usually come in the format: "simply whargarble the dinglewhoper"
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14:22<cahoot>as opposed to 'reinstall'?
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14:22<lapfrog>so did you dingledangle the blingybling?
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14:22<rpetre>Name1ess: it takes a bit to get used to the concepts
14:22<Name1ess>i want OUT of the microsoft cycle, partly because of all the reinstall i have to do
14:23<jthomas_sb>reading back some, Iceweasel installs Adblock Plus just fine for me
14:23<Name1ess>see, now this is frustrating
14:23<Name1ess>everyone says 'lol it works', but it don't for me
14:23<gruetzkopf>i had windooze for a long time, then killed my laptop hdd, bought a new one and put lenny on it, using debian ever since
14:24<gruetzkopf>ne reinstalls EVER
14:24<jthomas_sb>are you trying from the mozilla page? its also in the repos (for Squeeze at least). but its possible that you're using Debian Lenny which has an older version of Iceweasel, which AdblockPlus no longer supports?
14:24<jthomas_sb>Name1ess perhaps try upgrading to Squeeze
14:25<Name1ess>i'm using Debian 5.0.3 (i think)
14:25<Name1ess>and yeah, Lenny sounds right
14:25<rpetre>Name1ess: "it works for everybody instead of me" usually gets translated as "i modified something i didn't quite understand and then some automated script broke since it expected differently"
14:25<jthomas_sb>yep, which is great for servers, but a bit old for Desktops imho
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14:26<Name1ess>ok, so to upgrade, i need 9001 commands at the CLI, and God help me because it won't work the first time, and internet won't work, so I am all on my own
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14:27<jthomas_sb>not exactly... ok here's the thing Name1ess. You wanna be free of MS, you gotta put some effort into it, the same amount of effort that mae you a Win98 'pro' or maybe even more, to get over your learned behaviours and expectations. We're willing to help you do this, but not if you're going to be indignant about it
14:27<Name1ess>i been fooling around with Linux since RedHat 4 - install, play a bit, remove -- try different distros, etc
14:27<Name1ess>i got ISAPNPTOOLS working, once upon a time
14:28<comm2k>you want to be free of MS? Buy a Mac (I hate those things) :)
14:28<gruetzkopf>lenny to squeeze is easy i did that recently
14:28<Name1ess>comm2k: i looked at Mac long ago, and it's totally not for me
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14:28<jthomas_sb>Name1ess it seems that nothing is 'for' you.
14:29<Name1ess>jthomas_sb: I liked Mandrake, but they changed a lot of stuff
14:29<gruetzkopf>you need 3! commands to get from lenny to squeeze
14:29<jthomas_sb>gruetzkopf really? what might those be ? ;)
14:29<Name1ess>I also like Debian (running it here), but many things are (like someone said) different from the MS interface, and it's tough on an old man to learn -- not impossible, just slow & frustrating
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14:30<Name1ess>also kinda embarasing - I like to think I know computrers, but the truth is I know the MS interface, and learning a different one rubs my nose in it.
14:30<gruetzkopf>open root terminal # gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
14:31<gruetzkopf>replace any lenny for squeeze
14:31<gruetzkopf>save and exit
14:31<gruetzkopf>apt-get update
14:31<gruetzkopf>apt-get dist-upgrade
14:32<jthomas_sb>here are the 5 commands to upgrade IMHO, but this may not allow networking to work as Nameless said due to this maybe not including the non-free and contrib sections of the repos: 1st: su - 2nd: perl -p -i -e 's/stable/squeeze/g' /etc/apt/sources.list 3rd: perl -p -i -e 's/lenny/squeeze/g' /etc/apt/sources.list 4th: aptitude update 5th: aptitude dist-upgrade
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14:33<Name1ess>it's 2011 -- is there no way to use a GUI?
14:33<comm2k>then include the non-free and contrib first?
14:33<Name1ess>CLI is so 1980
14:33<gruetzkopf>my way was GUI
14:33<Name1ess>gruetzkopf: you did all that in a terminal
14:33<gruetzkopf>as much as it can get
14:33<Name1ess>isn't kpackage a GUI for apt?
14:34<gruetzkopf>yeah, but it cant do dist-upgrades AFAIK
14:34<gruetzkopf>you KDE?
14:34<jthomas_sb>synaptic is all GUI and works fine, just no way to tell you exaclty how to do it.
14:35<gruetzkopf>i think it cant really do dist-upgrades ?
14:35<jthomas_sb>CLI is so knowledge-user; GUI is so stuckonwindows
14:35<comm2k>isn't it safer anyway to do it from a real terminal (not xterm or 'konsole
14:35<gruetzkopf>im 15 and know linux better than windooze
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14:35<comm2k>when doing dist-upgrade?
14:36<jthomas_sb>not sure, i thought synaptic could dist-upgrade but perhaps not
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14:36*gruetzkopf does $ man synaptic
14:36<comm2k>because of updating X and KDE/GNOME while they're running.. sounds not so good
14:36<gruetzkopf>why not
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14:37<jthomas_sb>"It allows you to perform all actions of the command line tool apt-get"
14:37<comm2k>I think I had this crash on my some moons ago
14:37<Name1ess>gruetzkopf: yes, KDE3.5
14:37<jthomas_sb>synaptic ^^ but its not aptitude
14:37<gruetzkopf>i use apt-get. aptitude no like
14:38<kop>!tell gruetzkopf about why aptitude
14:38<jthomas_sb>why is that? i prefer aptitude, it just seems to do better dependency resolution
14:38<gruetzkopf>personal preference
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14:38<child>I'm not very good at networking and need to make a home server .. I have a router, the server machine and a hub. need to send to other Internet computers .. 3 Can someone give me an idea of how to do it?
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14:38<jthomas_sb>that isn't a very good reason, in my opinion
14:38<Name1ess>can I use kedit instead of gedit?
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14:38<jthomas_sb>Name1ess yes
14:39*Name1ess dislike GNOME lol
14:39<comm2k>child - send what?
14:39<jthomas_sb>as do i
14:39<gruetzkopf>your bot tells apt-get is better for lenny->squeeze :-P
14:39*Name1ess touches comm2k
14:39*kop wins! I dislike both!
14:40<gruetzkopf>and I had no really broken dependency before
14:40<Name1ess>let me guess - icewm?
14:40<kop>gruetzkopf: Better read the release notes to be sure. That's the authority.
14:40<gruetzkopf>it did my upgrade just fine
14:42<Name1ess>my sources.list ->
14:43<Name1ess>gruetzkopf: I'm afraid to simply replace all 'lenny' with 'squeeze' -- looks like it would break stuff
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14:44<gruetzkopf>lemme lok at mine
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14:46<gruetzkopf>ok, leave debian-multimedia alone
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14:48<Name1ess>you know, this is kind of a moot exercise -- my intention is to put Debian on my 'main' computer --
14:48<Name1ess>I have Debian on this (my secondary) just to gain familliarity
14:48<dvs>!tell Nameless about lenny->squeeze
14:49<dvs>oops sorry
14:49<Name1ess>dvs: I got no response from that, and my ignore list is clear
14:49<dvs>Name1ess: ok sorry
14:50<Name1ess>is it debhelper that is supposed to msg me with that info?
14:51<dvs>dpkg or judd usually
14:51<dpkg>dvs, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's)
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14:52<Name1ess>lol lag
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14:53<dvs>judd, !lenny->squeeze
14:53-!-child [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:53<dvs>nothing, they're napping
14:53<Name1ess>tell me about lenny->squeeze
14:54<Name1ess>Error: You don't have the misc.tell capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
14:54<retrospectacus>dpkg, wake up
14:54<dpkg>retrospectacus: I'm already awake! :)
14:55<retrospectacus>dpkg, lenny->squeeze
14:55<dpkg>Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list and change lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Make sure you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". See also <testing> <testing security> <squeeze release notes>.
14:55*retrospectacus shrug
14:55<Name1ess>omg Greek
14:56<retrospectacus>it's called regexp
14:56<retrospectacus>err regex
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14:56<Name1ess>so confusing :/
14:56<Name1ess>>Remove volatile & backports
14:56<Name1ess>delete those lines?
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14:57<dvs>Name1ess: yes
14:57<retrospectacus>it is using a comma delimiter for somereason
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14:57<Name1ess>how do i tell what kernel i have?
14:58<amphi>uname -r
14:58<retrospectacus>uname -r
14:58<dvs>uname -r
14:58<retrospectacus>best 2 out of 3
14:58<amphi>Name1ess: there seems to be a consensus emerging
14:58<Name1ess>no result - term appears to be hung
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14:58<Name1ess>oh, had to close sources.list
14:59<Name1ess>Remove volatile & backports
14:59*gruetzkopf got 2.6.32-bpo.5-686
14:59<dvs>gruetzkopf: that's right
15:00<Name1ess>so, i need to update kernel first :P
15:00<retrospectacus>good ol 2.6.32-5-686
15:00<dvs>Name1ess: definitely
15:00*Name1ess cries
15:00<retrospectacus>!comfort Name1less
15:00<dpkg>There, there, Name1less. It's OK. I'm here for you.
15:00*Name1ess glomps dpkg
15:00<gruetzkopf>its easy
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15:01<dvs>Name1ess: you just have to add backports to your sources.list
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15:02<Name1ess>dvs: precisely how?
15:02<dvs>dvs: oh wait. Did you already change lenny to squeeze?
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15:02<dvs>in sources.list?
15:02<Name1ess>i made no changes yet
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15:02<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>.
15:03<Name1ess>see, this is where it getds frustrating. Hours of reading to do a simple task.
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15:04<Name1ess>UI just can't retain new info like I used to
15:04<gruetzkopf>but, if you know that, ist soooo much easier and faster than windooze
15:04<retrospectacus>um is he upgrading to backports, or squeeze??
15:04<dvs>Name1ess: it's either lots of reading or come to here all the time and you MAY get answers
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15:04<dvs>retrospectacus: squeeze, but he needs the 32 kernel first.
15:04<gruetzkopf>he needs to get some newer kernel via backports to go to squeeze
15:04<retrospectacus>m ok
15:05<Name1ess>or I could just bite the bullet and install the latest Debian on my main comp, leaving this one as-is so I can pester y'all with 9001 noob questions
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15:05<dvs>Name1ess: deb lenny-backports main
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15:05<dvs>add that to your sources.list
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15:07<ansgar>dvs: Why install from backports when he wants to upgrade to Squeeze anyway? He can just install the kernel from Squeeze as documented in (draft of the) release notes.
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15:07<Name1ess>or I could just bite the bullet and install the latest Debian on my main comp, leaving this one as-is so I can pester y'all with 9001 noob questions
15:08<dvs>Name1ess: and how would you install the latest Debian?
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15:08<Name1ess>dvs: go to debian website, download image, burn, reboot, install
15:08<dvs>Name1ess: you could but it's kinda a waste if lenny is already installed.
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15:09<Name1ess>dvs: my main computer had WinXP
15:09<dvs>reconfiguring all the programs again.
15:09<Name1ess>but I want to nuke it
15:09<dvs>then do it!
15:09<Name1ess>repeat: this is my secondary com[puter
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15:10<Name1ess>rats - gotta install my burning s/w
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15:12<Name1ess>got that link
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15:13<Name1ess>will Debian have any problem accessing a local NTFS partition? I store all my stuff in other drives.
15:14<Name1ess>k - because that used to be an issue
15:14*dvs still doesn't trust the kernel to write to NTFS
15:14<gruetzkopf>i do
15:14<amphi>ntfs-3g is said to work well
15:15<gruetzkopf>does work well for me
15:15<streuner__>well, in newer kernels you dont need ntfs-3g, it just works fine :-(
15:15<Name1ess>i bet the latest will have KDE4, too
15:15<gruetzkopf>ok, did work for me
15:15<retrospectacus>,versions kde-base
15:16<judd>Sorry, no package named 'kde-base' was found in i386.
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15:16<Name1ess>i suppose ill have to get used to it, since kde3x isn't being maintained any more
15:16<dvs>Name1ess: it is be debian, for now
15:17<dvs>it is for debian
15:17<amphi>you could renounce kde altogether
15:17<Name1ess>by* ?
15:17<streuner__>Name1ess: ntfs-3g just work for stable...
15:17<retrospectacus>,versions kdebase
15:17<judd>Package kdebase on i386 -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1; etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; sid: 5:64; squeeze: 5:64
15:17<Name1ess>amphi: no tyhanks :P
15:17<dvs>we got version 5!
15:17<streuner__>Name1ess: its a kernel-thingie :-P
15:17<amphi>the 'desktop' metaphor is so last millenium
15:17<retrospectacus>what does that mean "5:64"?
15:18<dvs>retrospectacus: it's an internal version number
15:18<jthomas_sb>(kde4 is just amazing imho)
15:18<streuner__>well, in the past 5 stand for 4 :-P
15:18<amphi>streuner__: haha
15:18<retrospectacus>I can see that 4 means 3
15:18<dvs>5 is the new 4! ;-)
15:18<Name1ess>hot is the new 'cool'
15:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 465] by debhelper
15:19<gruetzkopf>blue is the new black
15:19<amphi>I saw a 'newspaper' headline once asking the poignant question, "Is golf the new pink?"
15:20<ballison>ok - i need some serious cli magic here. how do i sort a file by the 3rd field in the file using "sort" ?
15:20<ballison>is that doable or do i need to use awk instead/
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15:21<ballison>ha! I got it. "sort +2 -3"
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15:23*streuner__ would ask just #bash (FN), they tell you if you need #awk or #sort then :-P
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15:26<Name1ess>i think i have a Win app that will give some info like lspci -- if I pastebin that data, is there any optimizing I can do to a new Squeeze install if I install from the downloaded ISO?
15:27<Name1ess>or must I custom-compile a kernel for that?
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15:29<dvs>Name1ess: I'd try to do the install first and if it doesn't work, then I'd worry about recompiling kernels.
15:29<dvs>actually, you can still recompile kernels after the install
15:29<Rebellen>Hey! How do i enable wlan0 in debian?
15:30<Rebellen>i just installed debian on an old thinkpad t20
15:30<streuner__>Rebellen: find a driver
15:30<Name1ess>dvs: yeah, i done that when trying Gentoo
15:30<Rebellen>streuner__, i have done that
15:30<streuner__>Rebellen: /msg dpkg wireless
15:30<Name1ess>dvs: from the link you pasted, "A variety of other discs: multi-architecture CDs and DVDs, and variants on CD#1 that default to installing KDE or XFCE rather than Gnome. "
15:30<streuner__>Thinkpads are usually well supported Linux
15:31<Name1ess>My comp is an Intel p4 singlecore 2.3 GHz -- where do I look for the KDE install ISO?
15:31<Rebellen>streuner__, because it is so old i dont have a wireless network card, but i have a 3com wireless adapter
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15:31<streuner__>3coms are well supported too :-)
15:31<Rebellen>streuner__, it is! but first of all, i had real trouble finding a driver for my 3com adapter
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15:31<Rebellen>but i found one eventually
15:32<Rebellen>look at this
15:32<Rebellen># ndiswrapper -l
15:32<Rebellen>net5523 : driver installed
15:32<streuner__>Rebellen: us lspci to find PCI ID and google for it
15:32<dvs>Name1ess: why do you want that during the install?
15:33<streuner__>Rebellen: what about a live-CD, does Knoppix for example work?
15:33<Name1ess>dvs: I don't understand the question. To me, a system isn't complete until a functional GUI is installed
15:33<Rebellen>streuner__, i have installed debian on it now, you know?
15:33<rpetre>bash is a funcional gui
15:33<dvs>Name1ess: you can install that afterwards too.
15:33<rpetre>it has graphical symbols that interface with the user. one at a time, tyvm
15:34<dvs>Name1ess: I don't think there's an installer that will install KDE by default.
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15:34<streuner__>Rebellen: well, in other words, is the NIC supported at all?
15:34<Rebellen>i dont even know what NIC is :P
15:35<rpetre>dvs: i thought there was a kde cd
15:35<Rebellen>you mean the 3com adapter?
15:35<streuner__>Rebellen: the chipset of the network card, in this case wireless
15:35<Rebellen>how do i find out what chipset it is?
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15:36<dvs>rpetre: really? It installs KDE by default?
15:36<Rebellen>streuner__, and i guess, because i just have 1 usb port and the adapter is in it, i should take the line shat says "USB Controller" right?
15:36<rpetre>that's how i remember
15:36<streuner__>Rebellen: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
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15:37<Rebellen>i got
15:37<Rebellen>00:03.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9/0/1 Ethernet Pro 100 (rev 09)
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15:37<jester45>Name1ess, if your wanting the KDE install cd go to pick your release, pick your arch (probably i386 or amd64) then cd-iso and pick the kde iso from the bottom
15:37<Rebellen>but that is the ethernet card, not wireless?'
15:37<dvs>Rebellen: keep lookin. ;-)
15:37<rpetre>dvs: - see near the bottom
15:37<streuner__>Rebellen: sounds like eth0 not wlan
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15:38<streuner__>dpkg, listkeys 82557
15:38<dpkg>Factoid search of '82557' by key (1): 82557.
15:38<streuner__>dpkg, 82557
15:38<dpkg>[e100] the Intel PRO/100 network driver, included in mainline Linux kernels. Firmware from userspace (Debian 2.6.29 and later kernels) is only required for support of non-<ICH> devices; i.e. PCI-IDs 8086:1229 (rev 8), 8086:1229 (rev 9) and 8086:1229 (rev F/10). e100 firmware (d101m_ucode.bin, d101s_ucode.bin, d102e_ucode.bin) is packaged for Debian in firmware-linux-nonfree, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <firmware images>.
15:38<Name1ess>jester45: looking ...
15:38<dvs>rpetre: that's lenny, not squeeze
15:38<Rebellen>streuner__, right, but i got this line also ""00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01)
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15:39<rpetre>hmm, i suppose there should be a nightly build for squeeze too
15:39<Name1ess>any reason I can't do the netinst?
15:39<jester45>dvs, kde i386 squeeze is
15:39<streuner__>Rebellen: oh, thats a USB wireless thingie?
15:39<jester45>dvs, thats amd64, sorry
15:39<rpetre>dvs: yup.
15:39<jthomas_sb>Name1ess i just installed from the netinstall CD; at boot I picked 'alternative desktop' and then picked KDE and it went very nicely
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15:39<Name1ess>jthomas_sb: ok, got that
15:39<Rebellen>streuner__, i guess it has to be. I just have 1 usb port
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15:39<Rebellen>and the adapter is in it
15:40<Rebellen>i dont know if it is a "adapter" but
15:40<rpetre>dvs: although jigdo is recommended for getting the isos, if possible
15:40<dvs>rpetre: agreed
15:40*rpetre is a mirror maintainer :)
15:41<jester45>is jigdo preferred over torrents ? torrents would seem to use even less bandwidth
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15:41<dvs>jester45: my torrent connections are so slow.
15:41<acu>did anyone install debian squeeze on a netbook atom ?
15:41<streuner__>Rebellen: just google for the that
15:42<acu>my question is whether it works OK
15:42<dvs>acu: I did but not anymore
15:42<Rebellen>streuner__, okey, thanks
15:42<Name1ess>downloading netinst image - 7 minutes remain
15:42<acu>dvs: is slow ? atom is 32 bit ?
15:42<streuner__>Rebellen: besides, USB wireless stuff isnt very well supported in Linux
15:43<dvs>acu: atom has a 64bit version (N450 and up). KDE was slow but Gnome was OK.
15:43<Rebellen>streuner__, yeah, i noticed that. btw, this is the adapter i have
15:43<streuner__>Rebellen: ok, you could use ndiswrapper, it supports most things, but its just crappy :-/
15:43<dvs>acu: the Atom I had was 32bit
15:43<Rebellen>streuner__, i am using ndiswrapper
15:44<Rebellen>and i have the right driver
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15:44<streuner__>Rebellen: no, ndiswrapper is the hell, your system isnt stable then anymore...
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15:44<Rebellen>streuner__, what exactly should i google for? how would googleing that line fix my problem?
15:45<Rebellen>i wanna enable wlan0
15:45<Rebellen>streuner__, oh, what should i use?
15:45<streuner__>Rebellen: google for the adapter, and bet there is a linux driver available...
15:45<retrospectacus>Rebellen: can you post to us the output of "lspci -nn" , just the line for your 3Com wlan device
15:45<acu>dvs: thanks a bunch - how much ram did you have
15:46<dvs>acu: 2GB
15:46<acu>dvs: so I can do a netinstall
15:46<Rebellen>retrospectacus, 00:07.2 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB [8086:7112] (rev 01)
15:46<Rebellen>there you go
15:46<acu>whao -that's a lot for a
15:46<dvs>acu: for a wired connection
15:46<Rebellen>streuner__, nah, there isnt
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15:47<Rebellen>streuner__, but, i have to use ndiswrapper? cause there are only windows drivers out there?
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15:48<venom00ut>hello, I'm using debian testing and I'm not able to install linux headers
15:48<dvs>venom00ut: what did you try?
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15:48<retrospectacus>,pciid 8086:7112
15:48<judd>[8086:7112] is '82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also
15:48<streuner__>Your are using a kernel in Debian which isnt supported then
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15:48<retrospectacus>Rebellen: ndiswrapper is it :(
15:48<venom00ut>it says that linux-kbuild-2.6.30 couldn't be installed
15:49<venom00ut>which is a dependency
15:49<dvs>venom00ut: what version of debian are you using?
15:49<Rebellen>retrospectacus, what do you mean exactly ?
15:49<retrospectacus>venom00ut: that is an uncommon kernel, the headers are not available. You'll have to get a new kernel to get headers
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15:50<venom00ut>mmmh I used the testing netinstall
15:50<dvs>venom00ut: how long ago?
15:50<retrospectacus>Rebellen: judd bot looked and there are no available driver for that device.
15:50<retrospectacus>in linux
15:51<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-rc7-686 (2.6.37~rc7-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-29~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
15:51<streuner__>venom00ut: testing d-i using a mix out of squeeze and sid, and the kernels are .32 mostly...
15:51<Rebellen>retrospectacus, no linux drivers? yeah, i know that. that means i have to use ndiswrapper
15:51<Rebellen>but i still dont have a wlan0 interface
15:51<Rebellen>thats the thing
15:51<dvs>venom00ut: what does your sources.list look like?
15:51<retrospectacus>Rebellen: correct. just confirming :)
15:51<Rebellen>how do i get it?
15:51<Rebellen>retrospectacus, alright then :)
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15:52<streuner__>dpkg, listkeys wireless
15:52<venom00ut>dvs, it uses squeeze
15:52<dpkg>Factoid search of 'wireless' by key (15): wireless help ;; wireless ;; wireless lan ;; wireless connection manager ;; wireless connection managers ;; wireless-testing ;; whats my wireless ;; wireless-tools ;; compat-wireless ;; wireless tree ;; #debian wireless ;; wireless howto ;; _default wireless ;; what's my wireless ;; wireless-more.
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15:52<streuner__>dpkg, wireless howto
15:52<dpkg>The Linux Wireless LAN HOWTO is at . Additional resources and links to related information/websites also available. See also and . Related: <wireless-tools>, <adhoc>, <hostapd>, <rfkill>.
15:52<dvs>venom00ut: you're not going to get the headers for that kernel
15:52<streuner__>use the Link
15:53<venom00ut>dvs, why this old kernel was in a testing netinstall? :/
15:53<Name1ess>burning netinst cd
15:53<dvs>venom00ut: it shouldn't be, but you can get a newer one if your internet connection is working.
15:54<venom00ut>dvs, it works, apt-get update & apt-get upgrade don't install anything
15:54<venom00ut>how can I install a new kernel?
15:54<Rebellen>streuner__, what exactly should i read?
15:54<dvs>venom00ut: which is why I need to know what's in the /etc/apt/sources.list file
15:54<venom00ut>oh maybe it's because I've installed debian on a dmcrypt partition
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15:55<venom00ut>could it be?
15:55<dvs>never used dmcrypt
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15:55<venom00ut>maybe it requires some special kernel
15:55<streuner__>Rebellen: and (prolly)
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15:55<venom00ut>deb http://.../debian squeeze main non-free contrib
15:56<venom00ut>plus deb-src and security updates :P
15:56<retrospectacus>venom00ut: try apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686
15:56<retrospectacus>or amd64 or other
15:56<venom00ut>retrospectacus, done
15:57<dvs>venom00ut: so did it install?
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15:57<venom00ut>mmmh, wait, solved :P
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15:58<Name1ess>disk burned, nuking Windows :V
15:58<venom00ut>the kernel version is actually 2.6.32-5 :P
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15:58<saha>I recently watched Tron:Legacy
15:58*Name1ess braces for hectic ride
15:58<dvs>!lart venom00ut
15:58*dpkg pulls out his louisville slugger and uses venom00ut's head to break the homerun record
15:58*retrospectacus cheers for Name1ess
15:58<saha>And I saw some unix there
15:58<Rebellen>streuner__, i have done all that. but after i run modprobe ndiswrapper i run iwconfig and all i see is lo, th0 and irda0. and all say "no wireless extensions"
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15:58<f0rk>saha: no you didn't
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15:58<saha>f0rk: why not?
15:59<retrospectacus>saha: and now you want to install it cause you saw it in a movie?
15:59<streuner__>Rebellen: did you enable the switch of you laptop wireless thingie? :-P
15:59<saha>no, I want that screenshot:)
15:59<f0rk>because sun4m and i386 makes no sense together
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15:59<saha>Yeah, I read this
15:59*dvs wants to install OS/2 because he saw it in GoldenEye
15:59<mynaps>there are people there?
15:59<streuner__>dvs: good luck on that one :-P
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16:00*f0rk wants to install IRIX because I saw it in jurassic park
16:00<saha>f0rk: thanks, but not this screenshot:(
16:00<streuner__>dvs: OS/2 was a nightmare on a i486 8MB ....
16:00<Rebellen>streuner__, there is none. the Link LED lights red but not the Act LED
16:00<mynaps>im spanish
16:00*rpetre want to install nmap because he saw it in matrix2
16:00<dvs>streuner__: version 3 was pretty good.
16:00<rpetre>oh wait, there were no sequels
16:00*Name1ess selects KDE, graphical install
16:01<streuner__>Rebellen: so lspci doesnt list your wireless NIC at all?
16:01<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:01<streuner__>Rebellen: or lsusb?
16:01<mynaps>what happened?
16:01<saha>I'd like a screenshot when Sam uploads some video of dog, and the security guys types something like ps and kill
16:01<Name1ess>lingua bonita
16:01<streuner__>dvs: it was just a nightmare, even with 8MB...
16:01<Rebellen>streuner__, "00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01)"
16:01<Rebellen>what is the NIC?
16:01<mynaps>lingua bonita?
16:01<dpkg>well, nic is (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network. Network Information Center
16:01<rpetre>Rebellen: network interface card
16:02<qq->!ops mynaps spam
16:02<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: qq- complains about: mynaps spam
16:02<retrospectacus>mynaps: habla Ingles o salte
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16:02*smv lol
16:03<streuner__>Rebellen: so everything which makes you able to connect to internet
16:03<Rebellen>streuner__, i guess not, but i know the usb dingle/dongle/adapter/whatever is 3COM 3crusb20075
16:03<saha>oh, looks like I have to download the whole movie to make a screenshot:)
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16:04<streuner__>mynaps: go away
16:04<mynaps>hello sara
16:04<mynaps>you are english?
16:04<saha>yeah we all speak english
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16:04<mynaps>im from spain
16:05<mynaps>im spanish
16:05<Name1ess>so, the /boot partition can be EXT2, yes?
16:05<Rebellen>streuner__, any ideas?
16:05<dvs>Name1ess: yes, but why?
16:05<mynaps>i dont now very english
16:05<Name1ess>dvs: because it don't change, thus no need for journaling?
16:05<dvs>I guess you don't really need a journal file
16:05<streuner__>Rebellen: just compile/install the driver and setup it
16:05<dvs>Name1ess: it changes for new kernels
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16:06<Rebellen>streuner__, that is what i have done
16:06<mynaps>can you speak for me of easy english pliss?
16:06<Name1ess>dvs: go with EXT3 then?
16:06<saha>ok, what do you need?
16:06<dvs>Name1ess: your choice
16:06<Rebellen>i guess i can remove it and do it all over again
16:06<mynaps>esto es una caca
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16:06<mynaps>no dejan ablar en español
16:06<streuner__>Rebellen: nah, must be a configure thingie then
16:06*Name1ess selects FAT16
16:06<Rebellen>streuner__, should I configure it or what?
16:07<mynaps>this is a videogame?
16:07<mynaps>killo pero tu no comprendes que no se mucho ingles
16:07<mynaps>que mi madre sabes mucho ingles pero yo no
16:07<dpkg>"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
16:07<saha>speak english please:)
16:08<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:08<Rebellen>streuner__, i have done everything that wiki says.
16:08<Name1ess>dvs: ok, I got 8.5gig /boot, 2 gig /swap, and 84 gig / -- this should work, yes?
16:08<Rebellen>is it something special here need to do?
16:08<dvs>Name1ess: yup
16:08<dvs>Name1ess: I might make a separate /home
16:08<mynaps>oh my got
16:09<mynaps>where is spanish canal?
16:09<streuner__>mynaps: go away
16:09<smv>mynaps, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:09<dvs>Name1ess: oh, and /boot is WAY too big
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16:09<Name1ess>dvs: only other free space I have is an old 80gig that's on it's last legs -- way too many errors, spare sectors almost used up
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16:10<dvs>Name1ess: 50MB /boot, 20GB /, make the rest /home
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16:10<dvs>oh, 2BG /swap
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16:11<Name1ess>but i might as well leave /boot at 8 gig - the space can't be allocated to any other partition - the swap is right next to it
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16:11<dvs>gruetzkopf: yes, they haven't invented a number that high yet! ;=)
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16:11<mynaps>alguien sabe donde esta el canal de español?
16:11<gruetzkopf>bigger than EXA?!
16:12<dvs>Name1ess: That's ok
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16:12<mynaps>hello abrotman
16:12<dvs>Name1ess: but that's way too much for /boot still.
16:12<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:12<mynaps>me cago en todo
16:12<abrotman>mynaps: take it somewhere else, now
16:13<bartm>mynaps, please go to #debian-es
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16:13<saha>strange guy
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16:14<Name1ess>dvs: ok, new scheme - HDA1 20g / HDA2 64g /home HDD1 /boot 8g HDD2 /swap 2g
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16:15<dvs>Name1ess: looks good to me.
16:15<Name1ess>going for it then
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16:16<Name1ess>installing base system
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16:16<Name1ess>hold me - im scared
16:17<mynaps>somebody can say me where is a spanish canal?
16:17<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:17<toabctl>i want to build a package from git:// but have no idea how to do this with git. can anybody give me a starting point?
16:17<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
16:17<mynaps>K NO OTIA
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16:18<Name1ess>installing 2.6.26 kernel
16:18<dvs>huh? That's lenny
16:18<f0rk>!dpkg tell mynaps -about es
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16:18<saha>just type /join #debian-es
16:18<mynaps>my computer is a poop
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16:19<saha>mynaps: what?
16:19<abrotman>mynaps: please go to #debian-es to speak spanish, english only here, have a nice day
16:20<Name1ess>dvs: how could I have got lenny by mistake?
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16:21<dvs>Name1ess: I didn't think they made a KDE install for squeeze yet.
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16:21<Name1ess>well, damn
16:21<Name1ess>its all kinda pointless then
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16:21<gruetzkopf>you can always add it via synaptic
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16:22<Name1ess>gruetzkopf: ad 'it' -- what is 'it'
16:22<Name1ess>dvs: so if I restart install, and do NOT chose KDE, I should get Squeeze?
16:23<dvs>Name1ess: no, squeeze should install a 2.6.32 kernel regardless
16:23<Name1ess>but i went advanced > KDE install
16:23<dvs>Name1ess: where did that ISO image come from?
16:23<gruetzkopf>shure you got the right cd
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16:23<Name1ess>dvs: one moment, getting url ...
16:24<saha>I LOVE DEBIAN
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16:25<dvs>Name1ess: that's lenny
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16:25*Name1ess bashes head on desk
16:25<bartm>Name1ess, you can use that iso to install lenny, and then upgrade to squeeze
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16:26<Name1ess>bartm: i wanted a clean install
16:26<gruetzkopf>but thats what he wants to avoid bartm
16:26<ballison>i have a debian newbie question. how does debian handle routes? meaning do i have to set up the default route or is just putting the gateway in the /etc/network/interfaces file enough?
16:27<tomten>ballison: the gateway in the /etc/network/interfaces file will become default gw
16:27<streuner__>Debian just use intefaces to set everything about routes
16:27<Name1ess>dvs: saving that file. I hope this box can burn, I can't remember :V
16:28<streuner__>ballison: usually interfaces is enough
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16:35<smv>Name1ess, so you want to install squeeze and kde? or you only want a base install of squeeze?
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16:36<Name1ess>KDE is good
16:36<dvs>smv: he eventually wants a KDE install
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16:36<dvs>smv: that's what he got
16:37<Name1ess>*getting right now
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16:37<smv>dvs, oh, didn't saw when you pasted the link
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16:38<Name1ess>by the way ... >testing ... am I gonna have problems?
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16:38<smv>not really
16:38<dvs>Name1ess: not once installed. The ISO image *may* give you problems.
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16:43<ballison>i'm trying to add a file to a tarball i just created. i did "tar -cvf /tmp/foo.tar /etc/mydir" to create the tarball. Now I want to add a file with "tar -r /tmp/foo.tar /etc/another_file" and I keep getting an error
16:44<ballison> tar -r /tmp/firewall.tar /etc/iptables-firewall.conf
16:44<ballison>tar: Options `-Aru' are incompatible with `-f -'
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16:44<ballison>how come "-r" isn't working/
16:45<bartm>ballison, version of tar ?
16:45<ballison>tar (GNU tar) 1.20
16:45<streuner__>judd, versions tar
16:45<judd>Package tar on i386 -- etch: 1.16-2etch1; etch-security: 1.16-2etch1; lenny: 1.20-1+lenny1; squeeze: 1.23-3; sid: 1.25-3
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16:46<ballison>right . so it's the lenny version.
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16:47<ballison>why does "tar -r" return the error "tar: Options `-Aru' are incompatible with `-f -'"
16:47<Name1ess>sweet - burning image
16:47<dvs>ballison: you need "-rf"
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16:49<bartm>ballison, apparently omitting the -f option makes tar assume "-f -"
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16:54<KaLipCe>hi ALL
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16:58<ballison>thanks bart!
16:58*dvs grumbles
16:59<bartm>ballison, dvs gave the right answer before me :)
16:59*Name1ess twiddles his thumbs till the disk finishes burning
16:59<Name1ess>.... agian
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17:07<Name1ess>20 minutes to burn 647 MB
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17:07<amphi>why so much burning?
17:08*dvs smells smoke
17:08<Name1ess>amphi: installing Debian to my formerly Windows box
17:08<amphi>Name1ess: netinstall no good to you?
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17:09<dvs>amphi: it was lenny
17:09<Name1ess>netinst gave me Lenny
17:09<Name1ess>i want to be squeezed
17:09<rpetre>amphi: sacrifices must be made to appease the PC gods
17:09<amphi>er, use the squeeze netinstall iso
17:09<Name1ess>rule34 on the squeeze netinstall iso
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17:10<rpetre>i admit i never saw the squeeze netinstall in any porn (so far)
17:11<Name1ess>therefore it don't exist :P
17:11<rpetre>no, my experience is limited
17:12<rpetre>there are daily builds of the netinstall too
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17:16<Name1ess>dvs: which partitions need bootable flag?
17:17<Name1ess>. /boot and / ?
17:17<dvs>Name1ess: just /boot
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17:19<Name1ess>dvs: do I need to set mount points for my NTFS volumes too, or should I do that later?
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17:19<dvs>Name1ess: you can do that later
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17:21<borillion>Guys I have a web hostish question we are being told that a ubuntu 64 bit OS wont make a difference on server loads, is that true?
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17:22<retrospectacus>borillion: what are you asking?
17:22<rpetre>borillion: as opposed to what?
17:22<retrospectacus>if a 64-bit OS handles load worse?
17:23<borillion>running a 32 bit os on the same hardware
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17:23<borillion>they are telling me that it could be worse
17:23<rpetre>i don't think it matters except maybe on very little RAM
17:23<rpetre>and on more than 4GB of ram, you probably want 64bit anyway
17:23<borillion>some how I dont buy that it wont be better
17:24<borillion>moving up from 4 to 12
17:24<retrospectacus>you want 64 bit then for sure
17:24<rpetre>you most likely want 64bit then
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17:26<borillion>yea, its not a ram thing, its something about msqyl hogging all the server resources
17:26<Name1ess>use postgresql
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17:26<chron>what is the easiest way to set up a local debian mirror?
17:27<chron>i want apt to fetch the packages from localhost
17:27<thomasbuchanan>Hello, I was wondering if I wanted to create my own Debian Repository for Lenny, Etch and squeeze. How much diskspace (estimation) would I need?
17:27<borillion>erm Im not sure if the software that we are using can support that nameless
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17:27<Name1ess>borillion: appologies, I was trying to be funny.
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17:28<dvs>!start a db war
17:28<dpkg>MySQL is faster than DB/2
17:29<Name1ess>dvs: i need print server & file server if I want to share my resources on the LAN, yes?
17:29<dvs>Name1ess: share files over the network? yes.
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17:31<rpetre>they publish some rough estimates there
17:31<cthuluh>chron: wouldn't you prefer a package *cache*, not a whole mirror?
17:31<chron>yes i think so
17:31<chron>something local and easy
17:32<Name1ess> lol'd
17:32<thomasbuchanan>rpetre cheers will give it a read :)
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17:32<rpetre>thomasbuchanan: sorry, ,that's for CDs
17:32<rpetre>just a sec
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17:33<thomasbuchanan>yeah just saw
17:34<rpetre>well, depending on what you exclude it's probably smaller
17:34<rpetre>iirc our mirror used about 300G for i386 and amd64
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17:35<thomasbuchanan>true, but the size is ok.. Thankyou. One more question, do you know of any other better guides than ?
17:36<thomasbuchanan>or would you recommend a different approach ?
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17:41<rpetre>there is an official howto that recommends the ftpsync script
17:42<rpetre>the tricky part about mirroring debian is that you should ensure that the package lists get updated after the package pools
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17:42<dondelelcaro>and then only after that do you delete files
17:43<rpetre>there is a mailing list you should subscribe to
17:43<rpetre>(of course we went the hard and painful way, since we try to use the same script for all mirrors)
17:44<thomasbuchanan>ah, I will join the mailing list :)
17:44*rpetre still disappointed that there is not yet a standard script/program/system for mirror maintainers applicable for all projects
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17:45<rpetre>thomasbuchanan: - read this page first
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17:48<thomasbuchanan>Can see the scripts.. Will attempt it tomorrow :) thankyou btw
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17:49<rpetre>you're welcome
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17:49<rpetre>(and thanks)
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17:58<Name1ess>?installation complete, rebooting ...
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18:01<Name1ess>>unable to contact timeserver
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18:07<jhutchins_lt>Name1ess: Ok, is that the next thing you want tio fix?
18:07<Name1ess>KDE 4.4.5 -- where's kpackage? Or a package manager?
18:07<jhutchins_lt>Mac Style Control Panel iirc.
18:07<devil>kpackage is gone for good
18:08<retrospectacus>Name1ess, it's called Konsole, then type aptitude ;)
18:08<Name1ess>so, welcome to 2011 - throw away your GUI
18:08<jhutchins_lt>Name1ess: Hm, no, I guess that would make too much sense.
18:08<Name1ess>bloody hell
18:08<jhutchins_lt>Name1ess: I always use a root console mself.
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18:09<Name1ess>good for you
18:09<Name1ess>i don't hav the name of every package memorized
18:09<retrospectacus>I'm just buggin... you'll find it, just look... no one here uses KDE so we don't know
18:09<Name1ess>it would be nice to use a GUI to browse the list
18:09<devil>Name1ess: there is packagesearch
18:09<chealer>Name1ess: kpackage was unmaintained for years. even if you prefer KDE, you want Synaptic
18:09<jhutchins_lt>Name1ess: It's probably synaptic, which isn't installed by deault.
18:09<Name1ess>so i see
18:10<jhutchins_lt>Name1ess: aptitude has a menu mode.
18:10<Name1ess>,ay i have the esoteric code to install it please?
18:10<retrospectacus>Name1ess, I think kde4 has a central control panel, should be in there somewhere
18:10<jhutchins_lt>Name1ess: tcl or whatever.
18:10<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: Nope, just checked. Like I said, that would make sense.
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18:11<jhutchins_lt>Name1ess: esoteric code would be aptitude install synaptic, or just aptitude for tcl mode,
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18:11*Name1ess can't even find the bloody console
18:12-!-god is now known as Guest3562
18:12<Name1ess>found xconsole, tried it -- can't open
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18:12<jhutchins_lt>Alt-F2, konsole
18:12<Name1ess>jhutchins_lt: got it, thx
18:12<alfonso>hello world
18:12<retrospectacus>hello alfonso
18:12<alfonso>where are you from?
18:12<alfonso>i'm from py
18:12<retrospectacus>Canada. what's py
18:13<jhutchins_lt>alfonso: chat@ #debian-offtopic please.
18:13<devil>i'm from java
18:13<alfonso>how.. so far from here.
18:13<alfonso>is java a city?
18:13<alfonso>because i'm in paraguay now
18:13<devil>nope, like py, a programming language ;)
18:13<jhutchins_lt>alfonso: This is a support channel, please chat elsewhere.
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18:13<Guest3562>interface conf
18:14<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
18:14<Guest3562>Is this ok?
18:14<alfonso>i understood
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18:14<jhutchins_lt>Guest3562: Does it work?
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18:14<Guest3562>It works! But connections seem unusable
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18:14<Guest3562>if a user connects to it, well... no internet.
18:15<alfonso>may i ask you about jasper?
18:15<Guest3562>I'm missing something right?
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18:16<alfonso> /join #debian-es
18:16<alfonso> /join #debian-es
18:16<alfonso>para españoles
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18:16<ompaul>alfonso: yiou are still in #debian
18:17*ompaul gives the human race the benefit of the doubt just one more time :)
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18:18<fga>ompaul: If they can't do that, what else would the mess up on?
18:18<ompaul>alfonso: No space in front of:: /join #debian-es
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18:18<alfonso>ok.. I did it. well.
18:18<ompaul>fga: just about anything
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18:18<alfonso>i need to install jasper in NetBeans.
18:19*ompaul knows nothing about java thankfully
18:19<fga>iwconfig wlan0 channel 1 essid Apples mode ad-hoc
18:20<fga>O.K. How come this is not giving internet?
18:20<alfonso>who can tell me what i can find here.. ??
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18:20<fga>alfonso: netbeans has support?
18:20<ompaul>debian specific questions
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18:23<fga>What part am i missing?
18:23<retrospectacus>fga: there is more to it. You have to enable ip forwarding in your kernel, and you may need a dhcp server and that kind of thing
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18:23<fga>retrospectactus: dhcp server is running, and iptables should have started on boot
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18:24<retrospectacus>fga: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
18:25<retrospectacus>says 1 or 0 ?
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18:51<kevmo314>Hi, I had an apache2 upgrade come through today and now my websites won't load at all. Has anyone heard anything about this?
18:51<kevmo314>Upgraded from 2.2.9-10+lenny8 to 2.2.9-10+lenny9, and you can see what happens now at
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18:57<retrospectacus>kevmo314: your html files have no filename extension
18:58<kevmo314>retrospectacus: I figured it out, turns out my apache configuration got reset for some reason.
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18:59<retrospectacus>you should put .html on them...
18:59<kevmo314>retrospectacus: So the php files are being downloaded instead as source...
18:59<retrospectacus>you could use mod-rewrite
18:59<kevmo314>retrospectacus: They were working fine until the update today. I didn't change anything on the server, just the update.
19:00<kevmo314>The file is called index.php though, not download.
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19:01<retrospectacus>you need to fix your handlers in the configs
19:01<retrospectacus>filetype handlers
19:02<kevmo314>There is a handler.
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19:02<kevmo314>Firefox tells me it's being downloaded as application/x-httpd-php
19:03<jhutchins_lt>kevmo314: That's probably around a six-million-hit google query.
19:03<retrospectacus>apache should be invoking the php process to parse the php and output html, served as text/html
19:04<jhutchins_lt>addhandler should be enabled when mod-php is installed.
19:04<kevmo314>jhutchins_lt: mod-php is installed!
19:05<kevmo314>I know what it should be doing, but the problem is why isn't it doing that.
19:06<kevmo314>Like I said, the site worked perfectly just until the upgrade today.
19:06<kevmo314>I know the problem isn't my configuration unless it got overwritten by the upgrade, which is what I'm guessing happened, but opening apache2.conf, some of my configuration is still there.
19:06<kevmo314>So all I can tell is that the php handler isn't being invoked, but nothing happened in the error log and I have no clue how to fix that.
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19:08<kevmo314>I restarted the server and same problem still occurs as well.
19:08<kevmo314>Is there any way to downgrade via aptitude?
19:09<retrospectacus>grep -r php5 /etc/apache2
19:09<kevmo314> /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load:LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/ /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf:<IfModule mod_php5.c> /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.load:LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/ /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf:<IfModule mod_php5.c>
19:10<retrospectacus>none of that is addhandler tho
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19:10<kevmo314>Then where would apache get the idea that the php file is an application/x-httpd-php?
19:10<retrospectacus>cause it is
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19:12<kevmo314> /etc/apache2/apache2.conf:Addhandler application/x-httpd-php5 .html .php /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load:LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/ /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf:<IfModule mod_php5.c> /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.load:LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/ /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf
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19:12<kevmo314>Okay, that's my grep -r ... now
19:12<kevmo314>Restarted apache, still the same problem.
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19:13<jordanm>!php still wants me to download
19:13<jordanm>!php still wants to download
19:13<jordanm>!php wants me to download
19:13<dpkg>The usual problem is your browser caching the content, so make sure you cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser and also verify that it's still a problem outside of your browser using wget, GET, curl, telnet, netcat etc. Do make sure you have carefully read <install php> and /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz as well as many common problems are addressed. See also
19:14<retrospectacus>kevmo314: should be in /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3
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19:15<kevmo314>My php5.conf right now: <IfModule mod_php5.c> AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3 AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps </IfModule>
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19:15<retrospectacus>right on, and is that file also in mods-enabled?
19:15<retrospectacus>actually, a link to the first file
19:16<kevmo314>Yep, a link to php5.conf is in mods-enabled
19:16<kevmo314>jordanm: Thanks, but that didn't help. PHP ran fine until the update today. It's not like I'm installing it for the first time and it's not working now. :|
19:17<retrospectacus>hmm, try disabling and re-enabling it and reload the server
19:17<retrospectacus>a2dismod php5
19:17<kevmo314>Just did a2dismod and a2enmod for php5, restarted, same issue.
19:17<retrospectacus>a2enmod php5
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19:19<kevmo314>At this point, should I just reinstall apache2?
19:19<retrospectacus>kevmo314: this looks odd to me: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf:Addhandler application/x-httpd-php5 .html .php
19:20<kevmo314>I added that to the end of apache2.conf myself.
19:20<kevmo314>I'll remove it and try again.
19:20<kevmo314>Nope, same issue...
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19:22<kevmo314>Webmin's update log: An update to apache2 from 2.2.9-10+lenny8 to 2.2.9-10+lenny9 is needed. This update has been successfully installed. An update to apache2-mpm-prefork from 2.2.9-10+lenny8 to 2.2.9-10+lenny9 is needed. This update has been successfully installed. An update to apache2-utils from 2.2.9-10+lenny8 to 2.2.9-10+lenny9 is needed. This update ha
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19:22<kevmo314>2.2.9-10+lenny8 to 2.2.9-10+lenny9 is needed. This update has been successfully installed. An update to libssl0.9.8 from 0.9.8g-15+lenny9 to 0.9.8g-15+lenny11 is needed. This update has been successfully installed. An update to openssl from 0.9.8g-15+lenny9 to 0.9.8g-15+lenny11 is needed. This update has been successfully installed.
19:22<retrospectacus>webmin eh...
19:22<kevmo314>It should've just done an aptitude upgrade and got those packages though.
19:23<kevmo314>Ah I'm really considering reinstallation now...
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19:24<kevmo314>Would a reinstallation keep my existing configuration?
19:24<retrospectacus>check /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.conf
19:24<retrospectacus>it likes to disable php
19:24<retrospectacus>but I don't think you are using userdir
19:24<kevmo314>I don't see anything about disabling php
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19:24<kevmo314>But I've never heard of userdir before, so I haven't manually enabled it either.
19:25<kevmo314>Yep, userdir module is already disabled.
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19:26<retrospectacus>try dpkg-reconfigure -phigh some select packages to redo the configs
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19:27<kevmo314>Just tried that for all the packages that updated except for apache2 itself, still no luck.
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19:28<retrospectacus>perhaps your .htaccess ?
19:29<kevmo314>I don't use .htaccess
19:29<kevmo314>I just put the config right in the config file
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19:29<kevmo314>At least, not for the domain
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19:33<retrospectacus>try downloading direct like "wget http://localhost" from the server to make sure its not being cached
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19:33<retrospectacus>maybe create a new file, like a phpinfo()
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19:34<kevmo314>wget localhost points to an index.html file that's downloaded, but since I'm using vhosts, it's not mapped to anything.
19:35<retrospectacus>how about your other vhosts, php doesn't work for them?
19:35<retrospectacus>wget ?
19:35<kevmo314>Yep, it's broken across all domains.
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19:36<kevmo314>wget downloads the html file containing the content of the php file.
19:37<kevmo314>But is a static html file though, without any php in it.
19:38<kevmo314>If I wget a vhost that has php code in it, I get a 500 error.
19:38<retrospectacus>log says?
19:38<Name1ess>\o/ figured out how to use aptitude, installed synaptic.
19:38<Name1ess>i miss kpackage though
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19:39<dvs>Name1ess: yay
19:39<dvs>I take it the install worked
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19:39<Name1ess>nd thx - I'll likely pester you again ;)
19:39<dvs>Name1ess: aptitude install synaptic would have worked too.
19:39<kevmo314>retrospectacus: Ah gosh massive log file... Uh, no errors...
19:40<Name1ess>system BIOS has better navigation instructions on-screen than aptitude does
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19:40<kevmo314>Or rather, the 500 wasn't in /var/log/apache2/error.log... what the heck.
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19:42<retrospectacus>vhost own logs?
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19:43<kevmo314>They use a consolidated log file. I know it's probably bad practice, but I only run like three vhosts...
19:44<kevmo314>Do I need to add a handler for html files?
19:44<kevmo314>Since it looks like apache is serving the html file correctly through wget, it's just being downloaded for some reason.
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19:45<jgoppert>How do I force ldap to start before autofs when using autofs-ldap during boot
19:46<kevmo314>Gah, nope that didn't do anything either. Now I'm confused. wget is reporting it's downloading as text/html and both firefox and chrome are downloading the file as application/x-httpd-php.
19:46<Name1ess>dvs: wondering which repositories I should add
19:46<Name1ess>contrib? nonfree?
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19:46<dvs>and it's "non-free"
19:47<dvs>multimedia too
19:47<Name1ess>i dont see that option
19:47<retrospectacus>firefox and chrome may have cached it. Try make a new file with phpinfo() and browse that
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19:47<twb>``Linus Torvalds has released the 2.6.37 kernel. [...] There has been a revert to fix "hopefully the last 'blank screen' regression on intel graphics".''
19:47<dvs>Name1ess: do contrib and non-free for now
19:47<twb>When I "make deb-pkg" on 2.6.37 (and boot it), I get a blank LVDS screen. Who do I yell at?
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19:48<retrospectacus>multimedia is an additional repository
19:48<dvs>twb: you
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19:48<chron>how can i create /mnt/device dirs for each device that is available and ones i plug in, like livecd knoppix does?
19:48<twb>Well, yes, but apart from me
19:49<chron>with minimal configuration too
19:49<kevmo314>retrospectacus: Okay, I can browse that. Let me try clearing the cache.
19:49<retrospectacus>chron: we use /media for that. Should happen automgically by gnome-mount or some such
19:50<twb>Right; /mnt is reserved for the sysadmin
19:50<kevmo314>retrospectacus: Oh gosh it works now. Whew, so somewhere along the way it got fixed but I'm not sure at which step... Odd, oh well. I should turn off webmin's auto updates now. Thank you so much!
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19:51<chron>i don't want to use X, so is there any other solution?
19:51<retrospectacus>kevmo314: I suspect that application/x-httpd-php5 .html .php
19:51<chron>gnome-mount sounds like gnome stuff
19:52<retrospectacus>was the problem... application/x-httpd-php5 is not a valid type - should be no 5 on there
19:52<retrospectacus>chron: I think you can with udev rules but I don't know any details
19:52<kevmo314>retrospectacus: The thing is the problem occurred before I had that on there. I added that to check if it did anything, which it didn't.
19:53*Name1ess looks at kde-full
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19:54<retrospectacus>kevmo314: I'm not sure then, what else did we do?
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19:55<kevmo314>retrospectacus: I don't know, that's the thing. It makes no sense because the configuration should've been fine and then when I wget it it decides to start working again...
19:55*Name1ess marks kdeadmin
19:56*devil lifts the sheet so only kde-standard is seen
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19:57*Name1ess emerges unscathed
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19:57<retrospectacus>kevmo314: just don't touch it anymore ;)
19:58<kevmo314>retrospectacus: *sigh*, oh well. Thanks again for your help.
19:59<retrospectacus>kevmo314: my pleasure. Have an excellent 2011
19:59<kevmo314>retrospectacus: Do you have a paypal account? I'd like to buy you a drink as a way of saying thanks.
20:00<retrospectacus>haha!! I do, and I will take that drink right now as it's 17:00 here :)
20:01<jgoppert>how do i force ldap init.d script to be called before autofs init.d script?
20:01<retrospectacus>and I already have beers in my office fridge
20:02<retrospectacus>jgoppert: with the update-rc.d command, change the priority numbers of one or both services
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20:06<retrospectacus>Name1ess: it's good that you're having fun, but we don't really need a play-by-play :)
20:06<Name1ess>oh, but I am delighted to share ;)
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20:08<retrospectacus>Name1ess: tried to install adblockplus on your new Iceweasel yet?
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20:08<Rebellen>Hey. I'm wondering about a thing. I can run aptitude update and upgrade, and it finds no new packages. But for example there is a much newer GNOME version, and GIMP version. how come those dont update?
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20:09<retrospectacus>Rebellen: how d'you know there is a new GIMP?
20:10<Rebellen>the version i have is 2.4.7 if im not mistaken. and the newest is 2.6
20:10<dvs>,version gimp
20:10<retrospectacus>Rebellen: run: apt-cache policy gimp
20:10<retrospectacus>you probably have the newest available to your release (lenny?)
20:10<retrospectacus>,versions gimp
20:10<judd>Package gimp on i386 -- etch: 2.2.13-1etch4; etch-security: 2.2.13-1etch4; lenny: 2.4.7-1; squeeze: 2.6.10-1; sid: 2.6.11-1
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20:11<Rebellen>debian 5.0 lenny
20:11<Rebellen>latest stable
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20:11<retrospectacus>yeah lenny only has 2.4
20:11<Rebellen>i see
20:12<retrospectacus>you could upgrade to squeeze or try backports
20:12<Rebellen>squeeze is testing?
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20:12<Rebellen>i just wondering, i dont need the new versions. but i just think its kinda weird you know
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20:13<retrospectacus>squeeze is testing.
20:13<dvs>for now
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20:14<Rebellen>but enough about that now. I have another problem, the Opera browser tray icon looks like this
20:14<Rebellen>must be some kind of icon error
20:14<Rebellen>right now its just a black square
20:14<Rebellen>how do i fix it?
20:14<retrospectacus>nice. why does a browser need a tray icon?
20:15<Rebellen>i dont know. you could remove it if you want
20:15<Rebellen>i can minimize to tray
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20:16<Name1ess>dvs: earlier you mentioned a multimedia repository.
20:17<jester45>Rebellen: that wouldn't be some kind of memory usage monitor?
20:17<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>.
20:17<retrospectacus>I would try and find the icon in /usr/share/icons and see if it's broken or make my own
20:17<retrospectacus>Rebellen: ^
20:17<Rebellen>jester45, no, thats the thing. right now its just a black square
20:17<Rebellen>i know its the tray icon for opera
20:17*Name1ess clicks link
20:17<gruetzkopf>!dmm squeeze
20:17<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb squeeze main non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.
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20:18<Rebellen>retrospectacus, alright, gonna see
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20:22<Rebellen>retrospectacus, no, cant find anything. But cant i open a file or something that tells me what icon it is trying to use? in /usr/share/applications/ i just say "Icon=opera-browser" and i dont think thats the tray icon?
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20:23<jester45>you could look at what files it opens when you start it. or what files are in the .deb
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20:25<retrospectacus>the tray icon is not necessarily the same file... there should be a opera-browser.png or svg in there somewhere though..
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20:25<bighornram>can someone knowledgeable in vpn's answer a question for me? I've been googling my arse off and can't find much info about firewalling my lenny machine when it connects to a vpn. when it connects to vpn it uses ppp0 interface and not eth0 anymore so will the ppp0 connection be totally open to the network (internet in this case)?
20:25<retrospectacus>find /usr/share/icons -type f -name 'opera-browser*'
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20:27<Rebellen>retrospectacus, yeah i got a bunch there and all seems okey
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20:28<Rebellen>jester45, how do i see witch files it opens when opera starts?
20:28<retrospectacus>bighornram, your question doesn't make sense. ppp0 is a p2p link to the remote Lan
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20:30<jester45>ls -l /proc/PID/fd
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20:32<chron>how can you set a user's password in 1 command?
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20:34<Rebellen>jester45, i dont really know what to look for..
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20:35<Rebellen>oh well, i guess i gonna call it a day
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20:35<retrospectacus>chron: echo 'gabbawoo' | passwd jimmy --stdin
20:35<retrospectacus>will set jimmy's pass to gabbawoo (run as root)
20:36<chron>bash: echo: write error: Broken pipe
20:36<Rebellen>thx for the help though, bye. cya
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20:36<chron>i don't see --stdin in passwd's man page (i'm using lenny)
20:36<bighornram>retrospectacus: sorry I'll try to be more clear. My home network is passthough my dsl modem to a dd-wrt router. dd-wrt is set to allow pptp. when my machine which is connected to dd-wrt via eth0 connects to the vpn i get a ppp0 interface connection with the vpn's ip address. my question is would the vpn connection NOT be firewalled anymore by iptables? (I'm thinking not)
20:38<jester45>chron: passwd might not support --stdin, you might want to use chpasswd
20:38<retrospectacus>hmmm I think so, but the traffic is on a different interface
20:38<retrospectacus>chron: yes chpasswd then
20:39<retrospectacus>finished my free beer, I'm outta here
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20:41<chron>what would the chpasswd syntax look like?
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20:41<bighornram>retrospectacus: I know, separate interface is why I think not protected. I run firehol and made a separate interface to the firehol.config. the network worked great but this machine is ssh connection to me and I can't use any of the internet port checking (html) to verify stealth or not or if any ports are open.
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20:42<bighornram>retrospectacus: when I connected my gnome networked machine to it, the port checking worked.
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20:44<bighornram>retrospectacus: to be noted also blockcontrol (moblock) breaks the connection
20:44<jester45>chron: THIS IS VERY INSECURE, anyone on your machine can read the new password using ps but... echo “user:pass” | chpasswd
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20:45<jester45>if your putting this into a script dont use it like that
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20:48<chron>i'm just trying to use it on my livecd
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20:48<chron>not a production comp
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21:23<mattcen>jester45: I don't think that example is readable by ps, especially assuming you use your shell's builtin 'echo' command, because the echo doesn't fork a separate process, therefore doesn't appear in 'ps'. I will concede that the plaintext password may be logged in ~/.bash_history or similar though.
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21:26<jester45>well my shell doesnt have echo :)
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21:27<mattcen>Fair enough. If you don't mind me asking, which shell are you using then?
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21:45<jester45>o nevermind it looks like it is built it.
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22:05<katsrc>does anyone know if w3m stores history?
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22:13<mattcen>katsrc: Try ~/.w3m/history
22:13<katsrc>mattcen: thank you :)
22:13<mattcen>No problems.
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22:24<leocade\>hey guys
22:25<leocade\>i was wondering if there was a program or a way force slower transfer of files to a usb device?
22:25<retrospectacus>you could use rsync and --bwlimit I think (?)
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22:27<leocade\>retrospectacus: thanks ill try it out
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22:29<Name1ess>working from instructions on
22:30<Name1ess>typed wget -O - | apt-key add
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22:30<Name1ess>gpg: can't open '': no such file or directory
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22:32<Name1ess>there's obviously a syntax error, bu I don't know what it should be
22:32<Name1ess>also tried wget -O - | apt-key add
22:33<retrospectacus>you need another - after add
22:33<mattcen>'apt-key add -' instead; according to the apt-key manpage that may be required
22:33<Name1ess>so wget -O - | apt-key add - ??
22:34<mattcen>That sounds right
22:34<Name1ess>yep, i got OK this time
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22:36<Name1ess>right, so i did all that -- now how do i start wine? There's nothing I can see in the kmenu
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22:38<Name1ess>no new shortcut on desktop either
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22:40<retrospectacus>should be something in kmenu
22:40<Name1ess>i agree
22:40<Name1ess>but there isnt
22:40<retrospectacus>first run winecfg in terminal
22:40<retrospectacus>then, later,
22:41<Name1ess>got errors :/
22:41<retrospectacus>wine explorer or ... wine notepad or wine /path/to/Whatever.msi
22:41<Name1ess>app tried to create window,no driver dould be loaded
22:41<Name1ess>many times
22:41<Name1ess>also no protocol specified, many times
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22:41<retrospectacus>run as a normal user
22:42<Name1ess>i did that as root
22:42*Name1ess exitrs
22:42<Name1ess>much better
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22:43<Name1ess>still nothing in kmenu though
22:44*retrospectacus wanders off
22:44<Name1ess>.... gui scares you?
22:44<Name1ess>i know how you feel
22:45<leocade>would someone be able to give me an example of using rsync to copy files to a usb device?
22:45<Name1ess>silly of me, i know - but I like a GRAPHICAL user interface
22:45<abrotman>leocade: the man page has some examples
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22:53<leocade>i tried using --bandwidth but the option is not recognized
22:53<leocade>for rsync
22:54<abrotman>man rsync .. search for "width"
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22:54<mattcen>The option is in fact --bwlimit
22:54<leocade>ah ok
22:54<leocade>is it in kb or bytes?
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22:54<abrotman>or read it for him!
22:55<mattcen>leocade: *That* you should check the manpage for.
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22:55<mattcen>I don't know that off the top of my head.
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23:06<Name1ess>dragon won't play a DVD, synaptic shows me hundreds of apps for ripping/burning but i cant find one for watching. How to watch a DVD movie?
23:06*Name1ess misses VLC
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23:08<Name1ess>nevermind, found vlc in the list
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23:13<Name1ess>well, DVDs won't play
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23:21<prem>i got a new laptop with intel hm55 express chipset .,installtion of squeeze is success.,but am left with only a black screen after grub
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23:22<prem>i somehow managed to gt gui with i915.modeset=0 option and changed the driver to vesa.,
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23:22<prem>but the gui looks the worst now.,
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23:23<sney>the new intel chipsets are having growing pains in squeeze
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23:23<prem>yeah sney seriously., now is there any option to get a better look in mty lap
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23:24<prem>also squeeze crashed my win7 bootloader and am left with recovery mode option in that..
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23:25<prem>though i dont use win7.,my friend wants that back..
23:25<sney>I think there are some config changes you can make to be able to use the 'intel' driver but I don't have any experience with it, look in the wiki and the bug tracker
23:26<prem>sney, i can boot the system by disabling i915.modeset option only.,any way to get rid of that first..?
23:29<r0ger>is there a way to limit ps aux to only return the user's processes unless the user is root?
23:29<sney>I don't have any experience with it, look in the wiki and the bug tracker
23:29<sney>r0ger: er, isn't that ps ux
23:30<r0ger>yes but i don't want the user to be able to ps aux
23:30<r0ger>i was thinkin about replacing the ps binary with a script that called ps with the flags i allow
23:30<r0ger>but i didn't know if there was a cleaner solution
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23:31<sney>yeah, that's probably the best way to do it, other than disallowing ps entirely (mode -x)
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23:31<sney>though they can still probably top
23:31<r0ger>yeah i'm going to have to modify a few things
23:31<ananth123>while booting i get an error msg that says "usb_submit_urb(ctrl) failed" on hid-core.c .... any idea what it means ? my system works fine though, just have to wait 5-10secs cuz of this msg
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23:48<jaimesilva>hello everyone!
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23:49<jaimesilva>I have just changed a machine to use lxde and I'm wondering if there is a nice lightweight app to manage the printer spool, you know like seeing and canceling jobs
23:50<jaimesilva>of course it uses cups
23:50<jester45>how about http://localhost:631/ ?
23:50<jaimesilva>I just need a good gui app to manage the spool
23:50<jester45>thats pretty light
23:51<jaimesilva>jester45: I need something for the regular user, they get confused by that
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23:52<jaimesilva>jester45: I have tried it and they just can't understand it
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23:57<jester45>would it be feasible to write your own wrapper around cup's webpage
23:57<jester45>to display only the print jobs and to cancel them
23:58<jester45>with a big red X
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