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00:00<jaimesilva>I just don't get why is still so hard to have a simple print spool app on GNU/Linux
00:00<mabby1000>nickserv identify maddock
00:01<retrospectacus>,versions system-config-printer
00:02<judd>Package system-config-printer on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.0-4lenny1; sid: 1.2.3-3; squeeze: 1.2.3-3
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00:02<jester45>its not hard, just nobody has made one. gnome and kde both have built in controls (i think) but you dont want all that baggage for a print spooler. im sure lxde will have one
00:03<retrospectacus>jaimesilva: you could try installing system-config-printer, it seems to have light deps
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00:04<jaimesilva>retrospectacus: it helps with configuring a printer, what I need is a spool manager for an already configured printer
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00:10<shadow42085>how are u
00:10<jaimesilva>fine thanks
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00:11<jaimesilva>I little disapointed with printer spool support :P
00:11<shadow42085>i have an old dell pe 2600 dead scsi cd rom and a cd-rom installed on a 0680 medley raid card
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00:14<shadow42085>i need to install debian server any ideas?
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00:15<xayon>shadow42085: network install?
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00:15<shadow42085>I need a floppy network install image
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00:16<shadow42085>I can't install later versions I keep getting invaild release fill
00:16<xayon>no you dont. You need a computer capable of doing network install and a tftp server
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00:17<shadow42085>ok I have windows vista on my laptop I can get a gpxe image and works but I get stuck there
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00:20<shadow42085>I can't figure out how to get the server/pc to connect
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00:23<shadow42085>to talk to each other
00:24<shadow42085>thats where I am getting stuck
00:24<xayon>first, get a linux on your laptop
00:24<shadow42085>ok let me switch over
00:24<xayon>then read the fucking manual about installing debian over the network. Then install tftp and follow the manual procedures
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00:31<jaimesilva>wow that was rude!
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03:55<xike>hi all
03:55<comm2k>hoi hoi
03:56<xike>who can speak Vietnamese?
03:56<comm2k>err.. no?
03:56<xike>where're u from?
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04:01<Name1ess>error: "Unable to contact time server" when trying to use a network timeserver -- none of them in the list work. Debian 2.6.32-5-686 and KDE 4.4.5
04:01<Name1ess>any ideas? Internet works fine for browsing & etc
04:03<cahoot>what timeservers?
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04:04<Name1ess>those are my only options
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04:05<jm_>edit /etc/default/ntpdate, set ntp server there, add -u to NTPOPTIONS and run ntpdate-debian
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04:07<kenyon>Name1ess: it's, not
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04:08<Name1ess>kenyon: those are the choices i see in the drop-down list
04:08<Name1ess>oh, my bad -- they are all .org
04:08<Name1ess>but i have to select from a list, i don't type it in on that machine
04:09<Name1ess>dammit, now i accidentaly removed the clock
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04:11<kenyon>Name1ess: not sure what you're looking at, but on Debian, if you install the ntp package, it will start syncing your clock
04:12<Name1ess>plasma workspace - KDE crash handler segfault when trying to add the digital clock back onto the panel
04:13<Name1ess>need to install gdb before i can report the crash
04:13<kenyon>Name1ess: maybe this bug
04:13<Name1ess>neverending process of getting NOTHING done
04:15<Name1ess>yeah, comment # 20
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04:17<Name1ess>you know
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04:18<Name1ess>fresh install of Squeeze, and I have this list of things that aren't right: 1. network time 2. let me mount local volumes 3. get flash working 4. be able to play a DVD 5. SU mode file manager 6. get wine working
04:18<Name1ess>i hate to say it, but installing WindowsXP would solve all of those issues
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04:19<kenyon>Name1ess: run ntpq -p, network time might be ok already
04:19<Name1ess>now i have to add 'get a clock back on the taskbar'
04:19<Name1ess>kenyon: in a console?
04:19<Name1ess>2011, and I'm partying like 1985
04:20<Name1ess>ntpq -pntpq: command not found
04:20<Name1ess>ntpq: command not found
04:21<kenyon>oh well. have you tried ubuntu?
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04:21<Name1ess>and i am not talking about the linux app
04:22<Name1ess>man, i've tried a bunch of different distros
04:22<comm2k>just get rid of ntp and set it the old-fashioned way?
04:23<kenyon>1985 is pretty old-fashioned
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04:23<Name1ess>mint, arch, gentoo, mandriva, knoppix,opensuse, desktopK, ... ...
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04:24<jm_>maybe the issue is with the operator then
04:24<Name1ess>kenyon: exactly. This is 2011, there's NO excuse to send users to the command line
04:24<Name1ess>jm_: nice try, zero/10 for trolling.
04:24<kenyon>actually, some people are far more productive with a nice command line
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04:25<Name1ess>kenyon: more power to them, in all seriousness. I just can't memorize 9001 CLI commands / syntax
04:26<cahoot>50 would do just fine
04:26<Name1ess>right-click taskbar, properties .. put check in 'show clock' - click OK -- there's a clock. <- windows method
04:27<comm2k>Name1ess - I'm still at a loss why you just dont stick to windows..
04:27<Name1ess>just tried to drag the clock widget to the panel, panel crashed again
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04:28<devil>kde panel has a clock by default
04:28<Name1ess>comm2k: because i want the fk OUT of windows. Sick of the annual $$, the massive patches, days-long process of updating every time i have to reinstall (which also happens too often),
04:28<comm2k>linux on the desktop died for me a long time... my server on the other will probably never run anything else besides debian :)
04:28<Name1ess>devil: i accidentally removed the clock from the panel
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04:29<devil>then choose to recreate it
04:29<comm2k>the same massive updates on linux, oh you just want one app from KDE... sorry but you also have to take this load of libs and whatever... ;)
04:29<Name1ess>devil: gee, why didn't i think of that? did you READ anything I typed above?
04:29<kenyon>Name1ess: the problem is that bug KDE isn't fixed in a version of KDE that's in Debian, but it is in Ubuntu, I think, which is why I asked about Ubuntu.
04:29<devil>i am running 4.4.5 and 4.5.x and itjust works
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04:30<Name1ess>so, rather than *buntu being Debian-based, Debian is *buntu-based?
04:32<kenyon>no, but sometimes ubuntu has newer packages than debian
04:32<Name1ess>i can add the bloody clock to the desktop though
04:32<cahoot>but this guy is looking for stability - no?
04:32*Name1ess pounds head with hammer
04:32*comm2k helps Name1ess
04:33<Name1ess>cahoot: it would just be fine if I had my wish-list above
04:33<Name1ess>a few of them (i bet) are easy configs
04:33<Name1ess>i think i have to be a member of a certain group to mount volumes
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04:34<Name1ess>but yeah
04:34<Name1ess>perhaps I am too much of a whiner for the uber-elite Linux crowd.
04:34<Name1ess>Guess I'll bend over for WinXP again
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04:35<kenyon>Name1ess: here's how I would do it: 1. aptitude install ntp 2. sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdh1 /mnt 2. sudo aptitude install flashplugin-mozilla 4. aptitude install mplayer 5. sudo 6. dunno, don't use it
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04:35<comm2k>I'd help you - but as I said... the whole desktop thingy is a no-go and waste of time for me... I stick to my 3-4 debian servers
04:36<Name1ess>kenyon: got NTP now
04:37<Name1ess>i already tried 2 different flash plugins - one the default, the other from Adobe's website - neither work on
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04:38<Name1ess>i installed VLC Media Player - trying to play a disc will tell me the title of the movie in statusbar, then after 2 seconds, no more play
04:38<nadir>search for flash -say with synaptic- and remove it first.
04:38<nadir>sometimes swfd (spelling?) gets installed by default and makes a mess.
04:38<comm2k>swfdec you mean
04:38<Name1ess>ALSO, Kmenu keeps forgetting which apps I have used recently
04:38<nadir>might be. not sure.
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04:39<Name1ess>gotta dig through the whole mess to find anything
04:39<cahoot>life's a bitch
04:39<Name1ess>so'd my mother, no excuse
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04:40<Name1ess>nadir: launched synaptic, searching for flash -say
04:40<Name1ess>no results in list
04:40<kenyon>no, just flash
04:40<devil_>apt-cache search flash
04:40<devil_>before you even launched synaptics, you have your answer
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04:41<kenyon>that gives way too many results though
04:41<Name1ess>devil_: thank you so much for the tip. I prefer a GRAPHICAL user interface, thank you very much.
04:41<kenyon>aptitude search flash is better
04:41<nadir>but synaptic will show you if it is installed or not...without a second command.
04:41<nadir>anyway that often is the problem.
04:41<nadir>else flash is not much of a problem.
04:41<Name1ess>ok, i can tell you what's installed
04:42<devil_>nadir: so will dpkg :)
04:42<kenyon>so will apt-cace
04:43<devil_>with a 2nd command, yes
04:43<nadir>this way, that way: check if it is installed.
04:43<Name1ess>flashplayer-mozilla, flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound,gnash-common, gnash, browser-plugin-gnash
04:43<nadir>remove gnash
04:44<devil_>installing flashplugin-nonfree would surely help
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04:44<kenyon>flashplayer-mozilla comes from
04:44<Name1ess>devil_: it's already installed.
04:44<Name1ess>kenyon: yeah, thats where i got it
04:44<devil_>Name1ess: i cant see it in your output
04:45<Name1ess>>ok, i can tell you what's installed
04:45<Name1ess>>flashplayer-mozilla, flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound,gnash-common, gnash, browser-plugin-gnash
04:45<devil_>Name1ess: stay away from debian-multimedia repo whereever you can
04:45<kenyon>flashplugin-nonfree works fine for me on squeeze, I'd install that and remove the debian-multimedia one
04:46<Name1ess>ok, removed all gnash, and the flashplayer-mozilla
04:46<devil_>now install flashplugin-nonfree
04:47<devil_>its not
04:47<Name1ess>devil_: you vest be trollin
04:47<devil_>not from your output
04:47<Name1ess>i said twice that it IS INSTALLED
04:47<kenyon>Name1ess: I don't see it either
04:47<devil_>oh, so i am trolling?
04:47<jm_>yes as long as someone doesn't agree with him they are trolls
04:47<devil_>is not flashplugin-nonfree-
04:47<Name1ess>not true
04:48<devil_>*sigh again*
04:48<Name1ess>then what r you talking about, and please where do i find it?
04:48<kenyon>same place as the rest of squeeze,
04:49<kenyon>or wherever your mirror is
04:49<kenyon>oh, it's in the contrib section though
04:49<devil_>Name1ess: apt-get install flasgplugin-nonfree
04:49<Name1ess>ok, i added plugin to flash in synaptic, there are 2 items. flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound and flashplugin-nonfree
04:50<Name1ess>i will remove *-extrasound, add the other one
04:50<nadir>leave it.
04:50<devil_>no, keep it
04:50<Name1ess>no changes made yet
04:50<kenyon>shouldn't matter really
04:50<nadir>Nameless: do what devil says.
04:50<nadir>Not more, not less.
04:50<Name1ess>ok, i will keep BOTH - confirmed?
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04:50<kenyon>HIT IT
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04:52<Name1ess>.... thank you all, and please forgive a frustrated old man for his impatience. Flashworks.
04:53<devil_>things tend to work in debian, once done right.
04:53<kenyon>zomg win
04:53<Name1ess>next: how do I get a clock back on the taskbar? LOL
04:53<Name1ess>is there a CLI command, because the GUI method is bugged
04:53<cahoot>shutdown - get a nap - reboot
04:54<kenyon>Name1ess: I think there is a way to add it without dragging
04:54<kenyon>like right click and add the applet or something
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04:54<devil_>there is, you klick on it
04:55<Name1ess>brb, cigg break while reboot
04:55<Name1ess>abnd i smoke outside, because stinky nasty habit
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05:01<ladoga>i usually just install newest flashplugin from adobe's web site
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05:02<Name1ess>ok, tried double-clicking the digital clock instead of draging, it appeared on taskbar again
05:02<ladoga>it's not too hard to untar the package and copy to /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins
05:02<Name1ess>also, network time is working right
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05:02<ladoga>but ofcourse using .deb is the right way
05:03<comm2k>isn't it better to symnlink it rather than copying the lib?
05:03<Name1ess>ladoga: i have a .deb package, how do you make synaptic install it?
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05:03<kenyon>Name1ess: did you try double-clicking it?
05:03<Name1ess>yeah - got the 'choose application' dialog
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05:04<Torsten_W>Name1ess, use dpkg
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05:04<nadir>dpkg, like said, or gdebi. I would stick with the repos. Less trouble.
05:04*dpkg smooches said, or gdebi. I would stick with the repos. Less trouble. on the lips
05:04<dpkg>somebody said gdebi was a tool to install manually downloaded .deb packages. It is useful as it automatically resolves dependencies for you. aptitude install gdebi or aptitude install gdebi-kde. And/or aptitude install gdebi-core for the command-line utility.
05:04<cahoot>Name1ess: *what* deb?
05:05<detly>does anyone know of an up-to-date debian repo (or even PPA) for matplotlib? (I've tried Ben Gamari's unofficial one, and the packages don't work with squeeze)
05:05<detly>I meant: "up-to-date debian repo for matplotlib..."
05:05<Name1ess>cahoot: install_flashplayer_10_linux.deb
05:05<detly>oh wait, I said that
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05:05<kenyon>Name1ess: why would you do that since you already got it working the proper debian way?
05:06<Name1ess>kenyon: i already had the .deb from before, when I was still trying to get it working
05:06<cahoot>so just get rid of it?
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05:07<Name1ess>cahoot: indeed.
05:07<super_anix>where i get a source list for debian expremental
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05:08<Name1ess>Next thing I'd like to get fixed - I want to mount my hard drive volumes without supplying root pass all the time.
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05:08<kenyon>!tell super_anix about experimental
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05:09<super_anix>i update my kernel to 2.6.37-rc-8 so i need that repo
05:10<nadir>copy another line and replace squeez|testing|sid|unstable with experimental
05:10<nadir>copy! not replace.
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05:12<super_anix>:| dont have anything in my source.list yet
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05:12<super_anix>i install wvdial manually
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05:13<ladoga>super_anix: you should have
05:13<devil_>super_anix: i doubt that strongly
05:14<super_anix>ya the main and main src only
05:14<ladoga>super_anix: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
05:14<devil_>super_anix: did you check sources.list.d?
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05:14<super_anix>sould i add contrib non-freee to
05:14<devil_>does not hurt
05:15<super_anix>ok lol
05:15<devil_>if you dont despise non-free stuff
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05:16<super_anix>ok brb
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05:17<Name1ess>I want to mount my hard drive volumes without supplying root pass all the time. How to do this? Debian Squeeze, KDE4
05:18<devil_>Name1ess: depends on who owns them
05:18<devil_>and what fstab says
05:18<ladoga>maybe easiest would be to google for it. you'd get answers quick
05:19<ladoga>if we try to explain it to you here it will take lot longer
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05:20<ladoga>but basically it's all in /etc/fstab
05:20<devil>if its internal disks
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05:21<jm_>not for "click here" types
05:21<Name1ess>it is all local volumes -- i'll try googleing it again.
05:21<Name1ess>I though i had to add self to a group or something -- 'wheel'?
05:21<ladoga>user option allows normal users to mount the device, whereas nouser lets only the root to mount the device
05:21<devil>Name1ess: you could pastebin your fstab
05:22<ompaul>Name1ess: no -- you are not on FreeBSD
05:22<Name1ess>ladoga: in /etc/fstab?
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05:23<Name1ess>the link for open root console asks for password, then immediately terminates.
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05:24<ompaul>Name1ess: why not open a terminal and then work from there, it would be the way the rest of the world does it.
05:24<Name1ess>ompaul: i just did. Opened console, typed SU, gave password, i am god now
05:24<cahoot>because this is 2011
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05:25<ani>can any one give me his source.list via pastebin :|
05:25<devil>ani: what good would that do?
05:25<devil>ani: show us yours ans we will fix it.
05:25<ani>i thing i broke my source
05:26<devil>ani: or will it make our eyes bleed? ;)
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05:28<ani>pastebin not working in my speed
05:29<kootoomootoo>who is setting in System>administration>Network Setting>DNS Search Domain and DNS Servers/
05:29<kootoomootoo>cause after reboot my settings are overwrited
05:29<Torsten_W>then use another paste service
05:29<Torsten_W>whats wrong with
05:30<devil>kootoomootoo: the 'who' in your quest makes no sense to me
05:30<ani>i think ompldr is good in that case ^_^
05:30<Torsten_W>deb sid/updates main contrib non-free
05:30<Torsten_W>deb sid-proposed-updates main contrib non-free
05:30<Torsten_W>ani, does not exist
05:30<cahoot>kootoomootoo: I'd guess dhclient
05:31<devil>ani: deb sid/updates main contrib non-free is nonsense
05:31<kootoomootoo>i mean what service or something
05:31<Torsten_W>ani, and if you are not able to handle debian unstable, you should not use it
05:31<devil>ani: deb sid-proposed-updates main contrib non-free is nonsense also
05:32<kootoomootoo>dhclient obtain information from?
05:32<ompaul>kootoomootoo: it asks on network does anyone do dhcp, usually dsl routers do and hand out ips
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05:33<cahoot>kootoomootoo: try the info from: /msg dpkg fixresolvconf
05:33<ani>devil: so sould i stay with deb sid main contrib non-free
05:33<ani>deb experimental main contrib non-free
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05:34<devil>if you can handle it, yes. but the lines you had in there, shows you do not really understand what sid is
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05:35<ani>sid is unstable
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05:35<ompaul>ani: given what you put in your fstab you are not ready for experimental, you should get used to sid, having a working computer may be on your agenda some time in the medium future
05:35<devil>and has no security repo. why should it?
05:36<devil>ani: did you read the 2.6.37 changelog?
05:36<kootoomootoo>cahoot: where to try that info?
05:36<ani>devil: expremantal have 37-rc1 in hi repo
05:37<devil>ani: i asked if you read the changelog
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05:37<ani>devil: no
05:37<jm_>kootoomootoo: in your IRC client type -- /msg dpkg fixresolvconf
05:38<jm_>without --
05:38<devil>ani: depending on your setup, there is changes you might not like
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05:38<ompaul>ani: this file here might be interesting for you:
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05:39<jm_>better read it on
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05:39*ompaul likes to hear the whistle ala road runner when the penny falls
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05:40<devil>ani: search for BKL
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05:42<MetreM>hello, i have a soft for RAID management to my SCSI card, but this soft need /proc/scsi. But i am in squeeze and there is not scsi folder in /proc. can you help me please?
05:42<jm_>i doubt debian kernel is built without BKL
05:43<jm_>MetreM: build your own kernel
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05:43<MetreM>what is the enable option for build my kernel with /proc/scsi?
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05:44<Torsten_W>jm_, rc7 from exp was build with BKL
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05:45<MetreM>thanks and sysfs disable after? or just add link in /proc/scsi ?
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05:49<Name1ess>is there a utility like the one included with setup that can allow me to set mount points & will generate the fstab?
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05:51<Name1ess>>unable to locate package ntfs-manager
05:52<ani>leanny ?
05:53<Name1ess>squeeze, kde4
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05:53<Torsten_W>the package is ntfs-config
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05:53<Torsten_W>and what's the problem with editing fstab by hand?
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05:53<ani>oopas soorry
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05:55<Name1ess>tried ntfs-config as root, screenfull of errors about screen, layout, etc. Tried it as user, insufficient rights.
05:56<Torsten_W>gksu ntfs-config
05:56<jm_>!kde automount
05:56<dpkg>To automatically mount optical disks and USB keys under KDE, install kdebase-kio-plugins and add the needed users to the plugdev group. You will have to log out and back in before it works. Add the "storage media applet" to your panel to have icons for devices displayed there.
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05:57<Torsten_W>jm_, he speaks of internal drives
05:57<Torsten_W>Name1ess, and i would suggest, learn some basics
05:58<gruetzkopf>Torsten_W, he's trying to
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06:11<kootoomootoo>I am looking to fix an old issue: I am using a router for my home LAN, when the router isn't connected "outside" this workstation (lenny 2.6.26) boot slowly, and after boot applications like ephiphany browser or nautilus explorer starts slow (about 30 seconds to open a window), if the router is connected to internet everything runs normally
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06:13<ompaul>kootoomootoo: that is simple you need to either specify a static ip for the computer or have the router on
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06:16<kootoomootoo>I wil try your advice but these settings are older then this issue
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06:18<_julian>how can I tell rsyslog to rotate the logs daily instead of weekly?
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06:21<devil>_julian: isnt it logrotate doing that?
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06:24<jm_>_julian: is it no longer handled via cron jobs with rsyslog then?
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06:25<_julian>ah indeed. logrotate. I thought rsyslog had integrated rotation
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08:41<fnmueller>Hi, I want to add the following line to /etc/sudoers using visudo: fnmueller ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /bin/bash -c "wget -O - | apt-key add -", however, visudo tells me there are syntax error. Where are those and how can I get this to work? I use Debian Lenny.
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08:44<Slydder>I gotta admit. ext3grep is really cool.
08:44<yassine>yep ;
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08:45<Lethalman>fnmueller, use an helper script
08:45<Slydder>just did a live recovery of about 300+ imap mails. only lost about 30 or so.
08:46<fnmueller>Lethalman: do you mean I should put that commands in a script and enable the scipt in sudo? I would rather not do that, as this would make it possible to change what is in the script without me noticing that
08:47<Lethalman>fnmueller, there are permissions in order to prevent that
08:48<fnmueller>Lethalman: well, I have a really complicated setup here, involving roaming home profiles. It would be a mess
08:48<Lethalman>fnmueller, just put that script as root and you're done
08:48<Lethalman>chown root:root && chmod 700
08:48<Lethalman>and then put that script in sudoers
08:49<fnmueller>Lethalman: well, I would basically have to do that on all the machines seperatly and if I were to change the script, I would have to do that manually too.
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08:49<Lethalman>fnmueller, same for sudoers, isn't it?
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08:50<fnmueller>Lethalman: the sudoers is actually fetched automatically
08:50<Lethalman>fetch automatically the script as well ;)
08:50<fnmueller>but yeah, I could do the thing for scripts
08:50<fnmueller>hmm, I never tried if it possible to cal scripts in /root as a normal user, but that should work I guess
08:51<wuzle>anyone using a laptop with integrated intel 4500mhd graphics? Any issues? Does compiz work well?
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08:53<child>in virtualization with kdm I'm not getting to the network configuration for the virtual machines are independent ... the modem is configured as a router with dhcp turned on .. I did a nat eth0 to br0 and br0 static set point but the vms always take the same ip ... anyone have an idea or a model ai configuration .. ?
08:53<ladoga>nope but i have intel 915GM and i have some font issues
08:54<ladoga>bits and pieces of fonts missing in random fashion
08:54<wuzle>ladoga, is your 915GM fast enough for compiz?
08:55<ladoga>so so..i don't use compiz with it
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08:55<ladoga>with no lighting effects and animations it works smoothly most of time in compiz
08:56<ladoga>lighting seems to have big impact. but i think it also looks better without
08:56<wuzle>hmm, I am looking for a new laptop and trying to determine if the getting the newer integrated graphics in the i3 is worth it, or if an older machine with 4500mhd is all I need.
08:57<ladoga>but i like to use fluxbox without compositioning with this
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08:57<ladoga>compiz is suprisingly fast even on old intel chips
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08:57<ladoga>but i think it's worth trying yourself
08:58<ladoga>people have different opinions about what's smooth and whats not
08:58<wuzle>how old is your 915GM?
08:58<ladoga>from 2004
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08:58<ladoga>thinkpad x41
08:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 455] by debhelper
08:59<ladoga>support for it seems to have gone downhill all the time
08:59<ladoga>it used to work great but recently there has been some driver issues
08:59<ladoga>like that font problem
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09:00<wuzle>ah, that sucks. but it sounds like a integrated chip from the last couple years will have enough horsepower, just might have driver issues.
09:00<ladoga>here is what it looks like
09:01<ladoga>screenshot is from someone else, but the problem is the same
09:01<ladoga>intel chips usually have good support
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09:01<ladoga>open drivers and all
09:02<ladoga>i just dont know what has gone into this:)
09:02<braccobaldo>hi everybody, i have only one question,
09:03<braccobaldo>how can i change the defaults settings of alsa? when i boot my laptop the default volume of the channel of the speakers is 0%, how cai i set it to 100% by default?
09:04<ladoga>wuzle: i'd buy some business class laptop with integrated intel graphics if i were you
09:05<wuzle>ladoga, thanks, I was thinking of a thinkpad t400s or t410si
09:05<ladoga>wuzle: consumer class laptops seem to suck nowadays
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09:06<ladoga>wuzle: i was working as tech fixing HP consumer line laptops and the build quality is really pathetic
09:07<wuzle>what about their elitebooks?
09:08<ladoga>wuzle: overheating problems in factory config etc. same laptops coming back to repairs over and over
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09:09<ladoga>wuzle: i think business class is ok
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09:09<ladoga>wuzle: we didn't work with those :(
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09:09<ladoga>wuzle: but thinkpad is always thinkpad
09:09<wuzle>ladoga, that is what I am hoping.
09:10<ladoga>wuzle: t400 with ssd might be nice
09:10<ladoga>wuzle: i just got ssd drive for my old x41
09:10<ladoga>wuzle: boots to X in 7 seconds
09:11<wuzle>ladoga, nice, I was thinking of getting SSD too.
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09:11<ladoga>wuzle: not bad for 6 year old laptop
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09:15<ladoga>wuzle: i think my friend has t400 with GMA4500
09:15<wuzle>ladoga, yeah? and running debian?
09:15<ladoga>wuzle: he runs ubuntu & compiz with all those ugly effects on it. seemed smooth
09:16<wuzle>ladoga, great! I wanted to make sure I can see all those ugly effects.
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09:30<chiku01>xen para lenny domU, there is inside /boot/grub/ only 1 file
09:31<chiku01>aptitude purge grub grub-common then aptitude install
09:31<chiku01>and I still got only 1 file inside /boot/grub
09:31<chiku01>why there isn't all other files? like stage menu.lst
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09:34<zem_>because you have grub2?
09:34<chiku01>no grub2 , and no /boot/grub.d/
09:36<Aleric>Where do I go to add/remove Desktops?
09:36<chiku01>aptitude purge
09:36<Aleric>I mean Workspaces
09:36<Aleric>I have 6 now, I need 7
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09:37<zem_>Aleric: gnome?
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09:38<Aleric>yes.. I found it.
09:38<chiku01>Aleric, sorry I though you replying me
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09:52<ezetreal>Hi all
09:53<ezetreal>anyone have more up-to-date information on the GMA500 Poulsbo intel driver and it's compatibility with testing ?
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10:01<bst>chiku01: install only grub-common?
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10:02<blackfantom>hey new to backtrack 4
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10:02<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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10:03<blackfantom><based on debian>
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10:03<gruetzkopf>!based on debian
10:03<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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10:14<kaiyin>I use c-x 2 to split the window, how do scroll back in the other window? I know there is c-m-v for scroll forward.
10:16<cahoot>screen is implied - or what?
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10:17<kaiyin>no, not screen. I want to scroll up and down in the second window while the cursor is in the first window.
10:17<rpetre>kaiyin: what application?
10:18<rpetre>you accidentally the app name :)
10:18<kaiyin>rpetre, sorry, i missed that. :P.
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10:20<kaiyin>Let me pull myself together. In emacs I use c-x 2 to split the window, how do scroll up and down in the second window while the cursor is in the first window?
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10:23<nelo>Hola a todos, hay alguien que escribe en castellano?
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10:23<nelo>hoy es mi primera vez ingresando a IRC debian
10:24<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:49<kootoomootoo>what does mean this line: if-up.d/mountnfs[dsl-provider]:waiting for interface eth0 before doing NFS mounts (warning)
10:49<jhutchins_lt>kootoomootoo: It means the system is waiting for the network interface before trying to mount remote shares.
10:51<kootoomootoo>it isn't bad right?
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10:51<kootoomootoo>wrong settings
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10:53<oskie>what is the correct and easy way to list which packages are installed when you have only a /var/lib/dpkg/status file?
10:54<oskie>e.g. during system restore
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10:55<oskie>there's plenty of information and knowledge how to backup linux systems - but very little how to restore correctly (and completely)!
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11:00<lupine_85>oskie, grep Package: dpkg.status | awk '{print $2}' | xargs ?
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11:01<flaggy>oskie: that's a funny statement :P
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11:01<lupine_85>generally it goes, reimage ; reinstall all packages; update /var, /etc and /home from your backups ; done
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11:01<lupine_85>if it needs more than that, your backup scheme probably isn't good enough
11:02<lupine_85>(well, we need /opt and /srv too, but that's pretty trivial)
11:02<lupine_85>maybe miss out a few directories in /var
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11:04<oskie>lupine_85: that includes packages which are half-installed etc
11:04<lupine_85>is that really such an issue?
11:05<oskie>we had 18 servers with corrupted disks earlier this week. trust me, you don't want to mess around - you just want to press a button to have everything restored
11:05<lupine_85>if it really is, start with grep -n1 Package: dpkg.status.0
11:05*oskie does not recommend IBM DS4700 SANs
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11:16<axegee>I just installed a fresh debian system, the latest squeeze
11:16<axegee>and I can't do apt-get or aptitude
11:16<axegee>I get a E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
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11:17<axegee>and E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
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11:17<lupine_85>are you root?
11:17<lupine_85>well, there we are then
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11:17<axegee>so do I have to su everytime?
11:17<babilen>axegee: "su" (or install and configure sudo if that is your thing)
11:18<kootoomootoo>axegee: you have open Synaptic Package manager
11:18<lupine_85>sudo is the general solution, aye
11:18<babilen>kootoomootoo: Not necessarily
11:18<axegee>sudo doesn't work
11:18<axegee>and there is no synaptic
11:18<lupine_85>kootoomootoo, the error is permission denied, not that the lock is already taken
11:18<babilen>lupine_85: It is one solution among others. None of them inherently better or worse than the other.
11:18<kootoomootoo>if is open that could be the issue
11:18<axegee>11:18 axegee and there is no synaptic
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11:19<babilen>axegee: You have to install and configure sudo (essentially "aptitude install sudo" "visudo" → "axagee ALL=(ALL) ALL")
11:20<babilen>axegee: That is if you want to use "sudo" in lieu of "su"
11:20<axegee>wait, It can't find any new packages either, from su
11:20<axegee>do I have to update sources or something?
11:20<babilen>axegee: Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy"
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11:21<babilen>axegee: To (or another pastebin)
11:22<babilen>Yeah, you don't have a repository configured. Edit /etc/apt/sources.list and make ... hang on a second, i'll paste an example ..
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11:22<axegee>just point me to some docs, that'll help me configure a new system
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11:23<babilen>axegee: ← replace "uk" with your country code and remove "contrib" and/or "non-free" if you don't want them
11:23<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference'
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11:24<axegee>Oh, ah damn.
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11:24<babilen>axegee: The Debian reference is probably the best documentation you'll find
11:24<axegee>I see what happened
11:24<axegee>Whilst installing, it asked me for a package sync mirror
11:24<axegee>and I think it couldn't configure my network OOTB
11:24<c0mplex>What debian based distros are lightweight and include wifi drivers for Thinkpad T41?
11:24<axegee>so it couldn't detect
11:24<axegee>hence, couldn't update
11:24<babilen>c0mplex: What about Debian?
11:24<cahoot>c0mplex: debian
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11:26<kootoomootoo>how can I find out what is trying to access internet on boot time?
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11:28<babilen>c0mplex: You can easily install fluxbox (or another lightweight window manager) on debian.
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11:29<axegee>my ftp mirror is dead
11:29<axegee> that is
11:29<dpkg>i guess debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>.
11:29*axegee uses uk
11:29<cahoot>c0mplex: you don't really count on any recommendations other than debian here?
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11:31<ompaul>c0mplex: did anyone mention debian?
11:31<c0mplex>Flux is based on Ubuntu 8.04
11:31<c0mplex>which I believe is debian based.
11:31<ompaul>and which I believe is not debian
11:32<babilen>c0mplex: why don't you just try it? But honestly: Debian is a good choice and you can install as much or little software as you want.
11:32<axegee>wasn't knoppix debian based as well
11:33<axegee>I like knoppix, packed with ready tools
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11:33<c0mplex>Alright, I'll try debian, then DSL and #! if it doesnt go well
11:33<gruetzkopf>debian used around 73 mb ram here, with X and gnome running
11:33<babilen>!tell c0mplex -about ig
11:33<c0mplex>the T42 I was given and given to my parents runs puppy
11:33<c0mplex>but TBH the UI is quite nasty.
11:33<ompaul>!based on debian
11:33<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
11:34<babilen>c0mplex: I would suggest to try Squeeze which you can download from
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11:45<fossiiil>I want to buy 6-core AMD Phenom II. Will Debian take profit of this 6core CPU ?
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11:45<babilen>The question is: will *you* ?
11:45<fossiiil>looking towards future...yes
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11:46<fossiiil>Every PC will become slow one day....At least it's my experience
11:46<fossiiil>ok. thanks
11:47<sney>mullticore cpus are very practical. it's not hard to come up with 6 simultaneous threads.
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11:49<amakusa>hello, does any one know of a way to create a live USB out of my existing debian sid install???
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11:52<gruetzkopf>uuh, ext 3 on stick, copy all files exept for dev and proc, and install grub?!
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11:55<bluenemo_>i'm looking for a tool that shows me the network input output for a give process id, anyone got a tip for that?
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11:56<bluenemo_>sorry just got off the inet.. if anybody did answer please restate, thx
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11:56<gruetzkopf>nope, nothing
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11:57<lupine_85>sounds doable in iptables
11:58<bluenemo_>iptables can watch over a process? wow didnt know that.. thanks
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12:02<lupine_85>google also suggests
12:03<lupine_85>which is in the repos too
12:04<lupine_85>actually, nethogs is pretty cool
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12:07<lupine_85>albeit limited
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12:07<aldahamy>Hi All
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12:08<aldahamy>any one from Iraq ?
12:09<sney>well, you, presumably
12:09<sney>but I believe most of this channel is europe/americas
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12:10<aldahamy>Thank u seny
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12:13<carliukx>hola a todos
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12:13<retrospectacus>hello to you
12:14<carliukx>what are we talking about here?
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12:14<carliukx>oh ok
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12:15<carliukx>do you know anything about installing ubuntu in virtualvox
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12:16<retrospectacus>nope we only support debian
12:16<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
12:16<carliukx>ok thankx
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12:16<gruetzkopf>always wanted to do that
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12:18<carliukx>you all have a grate day bye :)
12:18<retrospectacus>carliukx: you too
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12:37<tibs01>hey ya ppl
12:37<tibs01>i got a server which the secondry drive has windows partition on it
12:37<tibs01>how do i view the files on it ?
12:37<cahoot>depends on the fs
12:38<tibs01>on what ?
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12:38<tibs01>its not fat 32
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12:38<tibs01>or fat 16
12:38<tibs01>its the other one
12:38<dpkg>[ntfs] Windows NT File System. There are 3 drivers in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and <FUSE> drivers providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <ntfsck>, <label>. FAQ: . #ntfs on
12:38<tibs01>thats it
12:40<jester45>i would go to the debian wiki site about it
12:41<otto>Linux noob here. Just installed latest stable Debian. No sound, No YouTube (flash). My system is Gigabyte GA-P43. I think the sound issue is a missing Realtek driver.
12:41<cahoot>otto: flash is no good test
12:42<cahoot>otto: run speaker-test -t wav -c2 in a terminal
12:43<tibs01>i cant
12:43<tibs01>work this out
12:43<tibs01>how to access the partition
12:43<Torsten_W>tibs01, mount it
12:43<Xioto>regarding flash: anyone else have to restart their browser every 3-4 hours to get sound back in flash content (youtube, hulu, etc)
12:43<tibs01>its named as
12:43<otto>Thanks. sound is OK
12:44<tibs01>i might aswell
12:44<tibs01>format it and loose everything
12:44<tibs01>on it
12:44<tibs01>config files
12:44<tibs01>i aint gonna be able to access it
12:44<Torsten_W>mount it
12:44<Xioto>running iceweasel 3.5.12, with shockwave flash 10.1r85
12:44<cahoot>tibs01: why don't you take your time and read the wiki?
12:44<tibs01>how ?
12:45<tibs01>because ive already fstab the first pic
12:45<tibs01>part of it is mounted as linux partition
12:45<retrospectacus>Xioto: yes sometimes my flash starts corrupting the sound. restart browser fixes it
12:45<cahoot>tibs01: and please take it easy with the enter key
12:45<tibs01>shell:/new-disk# ls
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12:45<tibs01>got no chance
12:46<otto>Now that sound is working, how can I get YouTube/flash working?
12:46<Torsten_W>tibs01, if you have format thios partition, your fault
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12:46<tibs01>i aint formatted it
12:46<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation.
12:46<Torsten_W>tibs01, there is no ntf-partition anymore
12:46<tibs01>its got two partitions
12:46<tibs01>part of which is linux
12:46<tibs01>rest is ntfs
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12:47<Torsten_W>then mount the ntfs partition
12:47<retrospectacus>tibs01: you should have said that in one line. Lay off the enter key
12:47<Torsten_W>what's the problem
12:47<tibs01>shell:/new-disk# mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb /mnt/windows
12:47<tibs01>mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /mnt/windows busy
12:47<tibs01>mount: according to mtab, /dev/hdb is mounted on /new-disk
12:47<tibs01>god knows its a 200 gig drive
12:48<cahoot>is it really hdb? paste the output of cat /proc/partitions to a pastebin ( i e not in channel)
12:48<Torsten_W>hdb is a device
12:48<Torsten_W>not a partition
12:48<tibs01>i know
12:49<tibs01>but how do i mount the partition then
12:49<Torsten_W>there is no partition
12:49<Torsten_W>if there is a disk mountet
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12:49<tibs01>tell me what command to put
12:49<Torsten_W>hdb1 can't exist, if there is a superfloppy like hdb mountet
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12:50<gruetzkopf>but WHY IN HE** wold one use a hard drive for superfloppy
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12:50<Torsten_W>no one knows
12:50<tibs01>ang on
12:50<Torsten_W>pebcak i would say
12:50<tibs01>ill paste that /proc/partitions
12:50<tibs01>to paste bin
12:50<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
12:51<cahoot>tibs01: and please take it easy with the enter key - you make us all nervous
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12:51<lupine_85>gruetzkopf, if you don't need to boot from it, there's no reason in principle why not
12:51*gruetzkopf likes partitions
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12:51<lupine_85>it saves you a sector or two, I guess
12:51<tibs01>i hate partitions
12:51<retrospectacus>should be hdb1 or hdb2
12:51*lupine_85 loves LVM
12:52<tibs01>wot next
12:53<Torsten_W>nothing next
12:53<Torsten_W>hdb does not contain any partition
12:53<Torsten_W>so there is nothing, that you can mount
12:53<cahoot>is there more than one hdd on the system?
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12:54<tibs01>theres two
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12:55<tibs01>its got two partitions on it
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12:56<cahoot>umount /dev/hdb - then paste the output of fdisk -l /dev/hdb
12:57<tibs01>Disk /dev/hdb: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes
12:57<tibs01>255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders
12:57<tibs01>Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
12:57<tibs01>Disk identifier: 0x00000000
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12:57<tibs01>Disk /dev/hdb doesn't contain a valid partition table
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12:58<tibs01>fuked it yer
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12:59<gruetzkopf>so u got no partitions on it
12:59<tibs01>oh well
12:59<tibs01>lost everything then
12:59<tibs01>THANK U LINUX
13:00<Torsten_W>it's not linux' fault
13:00<Torsten_W>is a user fault
13:00<tibs01>it is linux fault
13:00<f0rk>if there is data on there, use testdisk
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13:00<tibs01>shell:~# testdisk
13:00<tibs01>-bash: testdisk: command not found
13:01<tibs01>another linux command that dont work
13:01<f0rk>you'll need to install it
13:01<gruetzkopf>apt-get install testdisk
13:01<tibs01>i ave
13:01<tibs01>im joking
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13:02<jester45>another linux command that dont work?... just because you think it should be one doesnt mean your system has it
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13:03<cahoot>tibs01: seems more like you run a command that actually 'worked' - not knowing what it did
13:04<tibs01>is sccanning
13:04<gruetzkopf>like dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb bs=1024 cout=1
13:04<tibs01>how do i get it back
13:04<tibs01>if the data is still on it
13:05<jester45>dont do that command
13:05<cahoot>if it's ntfs my guess is a windows system for repair
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13:05<babilen>gruetzkopf: Please don't do that -- People might actually try that command and lose data
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13:05<gruetzkopf>SO PEOPLE := DONT USE IT IS BAD
13:06<jester45>plus you dont need the bs and count arguments...
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13:07<Bicker>is there someone who knows what i have to do with my vsftpd to work with acl
13:07<gruetzkopf>jester45, i know
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13:07<gruetzkopf>done that way it kills your first sector, not the whole drive
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13:08<Torsten_W>hdb was mountet in tibs01' system
13:08<Torsten_W>so it was not a dd, hie has format the whole drive
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13:08<smv>Disk identifier: 0x00000000 proves that the MBR was wiped.
13:09<Torsten_W>[18:47] <tibs01> mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /mnt/windows busy
13:09<cahoot>testdisk handles ntfs?
13:09<Torsten_W>and a superfloppy don't has a mbr
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13:09<devil>cahoot: it does
13:10<cahoot>I see
13:10<smv>every disk has a MBR. some don't use it
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13:18<Bicker>nobady can help me wit vsftpd and acl ?
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13:18<child>i have a router configured with dhpc .. i use kvm-qemu and configured interfaces to eth0 manual and br0 static but the vms do not take independent ip... what i did worng?
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13:20<qwd>Doh! I just installed Squeeze on a laptop with desktop-environment and it installed KDE. I was expecting Gnome. What's the best way of purging everything KDE? "aptitude purge kde-standard" or something with tasksel?
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13:21<gruetzkopf>qwd, used kde disk 1 ?
13:21<child>someone here use kvm?
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13:21<qwd>gruetzkopf: debian-squeeze-di-beta2-i386-netinst.iso
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13:27<babilen>child: Just ask if you have a question.
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13:27<kop>qwd: Probably the former. But you could leave it installed and just install gnome and choose that for you X session. That way the kde apps are still there if you want them.
13:27<babilen>child: Note that there is #kvm over at freenode -- I am sure that you find quite a lot of kvm users in that channel
13:28<child>I cannot ask a question rather than that they do not know where is the problem
13:28<EmleyMoor>I've been trying to use joy2key to get joystick support in an application (not in Debian), fuse-emulator. However. it only seems to respond to the upward stick move - no other directions or buttons - despite working fine in an xterm. Any advice as to how I might get it to work?
13:28<EmleyMoor>child: What problem are you having?
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13:30<child>EmleyMoor i want run kvm, qemu, and configured interfaces to eth0 manual and br0 static.. but vms not take independent ips
13:30<EmleyMoor>child: Have you defined some tap interfaces?
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13:31<child>babilen thanks .. but that is already looked everywhere I read the entire documentation of libvirt and I can not solve it
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13:32<EmleyMoor>child: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces and tell us your kvm command line
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13:32<child>EmleyMoor> ok
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13:34<child>EmleyMoor the command line is just: kvm -hda /vps/vm1.qcow2 -m 512 (if i add -net tap have problems)
13:34<EmleyMoor>I need to see it in the form that has problems
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13:36<child>EmleyMoor interfaces is there
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13:37<EmleyMoor>child: I see most of your problem - no tap interfaces. Seeing your intended kvm command line would also help
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13:38<child><EmleyMoor> ok
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13:40<EmleyMoor>child: What's that? All I need is the kvm command line with which you are having problems
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13:41<child>the problem in command line is this
13:41<EmleyMoor>I need the line, not the problem
13:43<child>if i run command line in user privileges have: could not configure /dev/net/tun: Operation not permitted
13:43<EmleyMoor>WHAT command line though?
13:43<child>kvm -hda /vps/vm1.qcow2 -m 512 -net tap
13:44<EmleyMoor>Insufficient line... now I can advise you, though
13:44<EmleyMoor>Add these lines to youf iface br0 inet static stanza:
13:45<EmleyMoor>pre-up /usr/sbin/tunctl -u yourusername -t tap0
13:45<EmleyMoor>pre-up ifconfig tap0 up
13:45<child>yeah i try this before
13:45<EmleyMoor>post-down ifconfig tap0 down
13:45<EmleyMoor>post-down tunctl -d tap0
13:45<child>and return error too
13:45<EmleyMoor>Add tap0 to the bridge_ports line
13:46<EmleyMoor>Modify your kvm line to:
13:46<child>the network not connect
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13:47<kitallis>Do I get fglrx for amd64?
13:47<EmleyMoor>kvm -hda /vps/vm1.qcow2 -m 512 -net tap,ifname=tap0,script=no,downscript=no
13:47<EmleyMoor>child: You need to do all of that, and ifdown-up br0 before the kvm
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13:50<child>thus does not get up the br0 EmleyMoor
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13:50<EmleyMoor>child: Don't tell me what it doesn't do - what actually happens?
13:51<EmleyMoor>(pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces as it is now...)
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13:52<retrospectacus>child: don't be afraid to pastebin 100 lines of terminal commands and their output
13:52<child>EmleyMoor I set up this way to see the output but my net goes down, so I've come back
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13:53<EmleyMoor>OK - I need to see what you are attempting to use - move it aside if it breaks stuff
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13:53<jester45>kitallis: fglrx is a video card driver for firegl and radeon cards
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13:55<EmleyMoor>(I puzzled over this for months and eventually solved it)
13:55<kitallis>jester45: yes
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13:57<kitallis>jester45: these are all ia32 packages
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13:57<child>thats ok, thanks from now
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13:58<jester45>lenny, sqeeze and sid all have amd64 fglrx-driver pacakages
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13:59<kitallis>jester45 ^
14:00<EmleyMoor>That looks fair enough, kitallis
14:02<EmleyMoor>... which is listed for installation
14:03<kitallis>yeah, okay
14:03<kitallis>the ia32 bit in one of the libs, made me wonder.
14:03<kitallis>but nvm.
14:03<EmleyMoor>That's needed for 32-bit apps
14:03<EmleyMoor>(not a bad idea to have it)
14:03<kitallis>yeah, wine and stuff,
14:03<EmleyMoor>I need some for mine (an nvidia) for googleearth
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14:13<child>EmleyMoor the output is this
14:13<child>Reconfiguring network interfaces...Set 'tap0' nonpersistent
14:13<child>tap0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
14:13<child>Set 'tap0' persistent and owned by uid 1000
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14:21<comm2k>hoi hoi
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14:30<amiko>hola amigos
14:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
14:32<amiko>How can I use international keyboard charcters on Debian 5
14:32<amiko>Keyboard layout doesnt work for me :(
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14:33<amiko>Am I getting it wrong?
14:35<amiko>Can I do it with "Keyboard preferences" dialog box?
14:36<gruetzkopf>go to the second tab
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14:37<kitallis>I can't get these "invoke-rc.d" commands to work?
14:37<amiko>Second tab? Layouts? That's what I did
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14:37<kitallis>more like,
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14:38<gruetzkopf>then add the one you need
14:38<amiko>I added russian language, but it doesnt work
14:38<amiko>I used both Alts to switch to a new layout
14:38<amiko>but still .... nada
14:39<amiko>And by the way I don't see language icon anywhere on the desktop :(
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14:40<amiko>Is that the way it is designed?
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14:41<amiko>Ok then, what is this "setxkbmap" thing?
14:41<amiko>Is this a package to be instlled
14:42<amiko>Thank you guys anyway ;)
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14:43<gruetzkopf>press alt-f2, type setxkbmap and select run in terminal
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14:45<amiko>just did it. And now what?
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14:47<amiko>Is this a command or a pkg name?
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14:47<gruetzkopf>setxkbmap -layout ru
14:47<amiko>That's what I want todo
14:47<amiko>got it
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14:54<amiko>Thank you gruetzkopf
14:54<amiko>setxkbdmap worked well for me
14:54<gruetzkopf>No problem amiko
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14:55<amiko>Is this the only way to change keyboard layout? What if I need to do it fast?
14:56<oskie>hello, if you have only the /var/lib/dpkg/status file - how do you do the equivalent of dpkg --get-selections?
14:56<gruetzkopf>put it in some application starter
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14:58<_julian>which debian packet contains /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/include/jni.h?
14:58<amiko>Any ideas why the "keyboard preferences" doesn't do the language switching thing?
14:59<gruetzkopf>i think its the shorcuts that wont work well
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15:00<amiko>Understood, Many thanks Gruetz
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15:01<mora>julian: openjdk-6-jdk
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15:17<ext>I'm trying to create a .deb for a autotools package I maintain, but I ran into a minor issue mostly related to autotools.
15:17<ext>I store the autotools datadir in config.h so I know where to read resources (path will be compiled into binary), and when I create the .deb I configure using --prefix but that will compile using the path specified on the build machine, not the path where installed on the system.
15:18<ext>This shouldn't be an uncommon problem, any idea how I can get the correct path? Maybe my path-solution is flawed, but it works when building from source and on source-based distributions which I primary use.
15:18<dpkg>mentors is probably the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. #debian-mentors on
15:19<ext>I should ask in #debian-mentors then? I'm not intrested in becoming a debian developer
15:20<f0rk>ext: yes
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15:21<babilen>ext: they also discuss packaging related questions. you don't necessarily have to be interested in becoming a DD. Are you planning to have your package included in Debian?
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15:22<ext>babilen: not at the moment, I would like a .deb for easier deployment on debian-based systems (installing lots of -dev packages on a clients machine is annoying)
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16:37<borillion>Guys I have a host thats refusing to install 64 bit linux on our six core server and are telling us that they put in a pae kernel
16:38<borillion>Im trying to do do a master slave config for our sql databases wouldnt it make a difference?
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16:40<EmleyMoor>child: What do you mean they continue to localhost?
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16:41<Gathond>borillion: depends
16:41<borillion>they are installing a second dedicated host EmleyMoor
16:41<Gathond>borillion: it does if you want one sql server process using more than 4 GB of memory
16:42<EmleyMoor>borillion: Not you, I am talking to someone else (child)
16:42<borillion>Gathond yes that what we want
16:42<Gathond>borillion: pae allows the OS to use more then 4 GB, however given that each process is 32 bit it will mean each process is limited to 4 GB of address space
16:43<Gathond>probably 3 in reality as I believe 1 is the kernels reservation
16:43<borillion>Gathond so using 64 bit would allow us to handle larger loads right?
16:43<borillion>I dont understand why they wont do what I ask them
16:44<Gathond>borillion: it will allow the SQL server processes to use more memory yes
16:44<Gathond>provided the server has more memory
16:44<Gathond>than the 4 GB
16:44<borillion>yea it will
16:44<Gathond>borillion: sounds strange that they suggest a 32 bit PAE kernel
16:44<borillion>more like they are doing what they want
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16:45<Gathond>perhaps you should consider telling them to take a hike and find someone more competent
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16:51<borillion>sql is not stable on 64bit they say
16:51<borillion>that we wont be pleased with the results
16:51<borillion>what BS
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16:52<Gathond>which sql
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16:52<Gathond>I'm inclined to call BS as well, but then again, I don't get to have the problem if it fails:)
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16:53<Gathond>borillion: apart from me not trusting that on principle, I would call BS on the 64 bit version being worse than the 32 bit one
16:54<borillion>same here
16:54<borillion>if we need more that 4gb for mysql to use it wont be able to no matter what
16:55<borillion>am I understanding this right if we go with PEA
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16:56<Gathond>PAE does not remove the 4 GB limit per process
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16:56<Gathond>it has been a while though, but iirc mysql uses threads not separate processes
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16:57<Gathond>so effectively limitint mysql to use 4 GB per server running
16:57<borillion>anyways Im forcing them to go 64
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17:10<nor>hi, I have a problem with pidgin. I've been upgrading since 2.73 and yahoo transfer doesn't work, I'm on testing
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17:10<retrospectacus>nor, you should ask that in #pidgin on freenode
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17:31<amartin>Hi, I have a Debian testing and will probably try the sid. On distrowatch site is written that sid it has the same kernel 2.6.32 as testing.Is it true?
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17:32<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-trunk-686 (2.6.37-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-29~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
17:32<retrospectacus>amartin: true.
17:33<amartin>retrospectacus, thx. Is the experimental version very unstable? I'm asking couse never had one
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17:33<retrospectacus>no I don't know
17:34<retrospectacus>but an experimental-based system would break quite a bit I think.
17:34<amartin>retrospectacus, thanks, I'll have that in mind
17:34*gruetzkopf uses squeeze
17:34<retrospectacus>I prefer to base my system on squeeze and get things from sid or experimental if I really need them
17:35<amartin>retrospectacus, from backports?
17:35<retrospectacus>you can do this by following the directions at: /msg dpkg tum
17:36<retrospectacus>you add lines to your sources list for sid and exp. and set your preference to squeeze, then the sid stuff is available by apt-get -t sid install ...
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17:36<retrospectacus>dpkg bot will tell you about it
17:36<dpkg>retrospectacus: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
17:36<retrospectacus>!fruitsmite dpkg
17:36*dpkg smites dpkg with a dozen blueberries
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17:38<amartin>retrospectacus, thanks, this is a great solution for me. How exaclty I can set the preference to squeeze?
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17:38<retrospectacus>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf
17:38<retrospectacus>or "squeeze" I suppose
17:38<amartin>retrospectacus, thanks a lot. I'll do that
17:39<retrospectacus>however this is a bad idea if you use Synaptic the graphic package manager
17:39<amartin>no, always terminal
17:39<retrospectacus>it does not read /etc/apt/apt.conf and will want to install the newest things (experimental)
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17:39<retrospectacus>yes it is a very useful setup :) a bit advanced for some
17:40<retrospectacus>good way to get the latest chromium-browser
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17:44<amartin>retrospectacus, and if I want to search through the sid repository (I imagine there's a bit more programs in sid than squeeze) should I use something like: apt-cache -t sid search? Or aptitude
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17:44<retrospectacus>I'm not sure
17:44<retrospectacus>I don't use aptitude myself
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17:46<amartin>retrospectacus, ok
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17:46<retrospectacus>"apt-cache -t sid search e" vs. "apt-cache search e" for me both output 30905 lines
17:47<retrospectacus>not sure how to control the search
17:48<retrospectacus>I think it will always search all the releases
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17:49<amartin>retrospectacus, than's even better :)
17:50<retrospectacus>apt-cache policy whatever will be helpful :) tell you available versions across releases
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17:50<amartin>retrospectacus, did you mean /etc/apt/apt.conf.d?
17:51<retrospectacus>nope /etc/apt/apt.conf which may not exist
17:51<retrospectacus>you could also put it in a file in that apt.conf.d folder
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17:52<amartin>retrospectacus, ok
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17:57<kenyon>amartin: see file://localhost/usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s04s05.html#searchArchive if you have aptitude-doc-en installed
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18:01<amartin>kenyon, I have installed the one you told me, but in /usr/share/doc/aptitude is no html folder. There is though the manual
18:02<amartin>kenoby, thanks about that
18:02<kenyon>hmm says the html dir should be there
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18:04<retrospectacus>$ apt-file search /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s04s05.html
18:04<retrospectacus>aptitude-doc-en: /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s04s05.html
18:05<kitallis>why isn't the time on top
18:05<kitallis>getting synced
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18:05<kitallis>with the time at the bottom.
18:06<kitallis>(which is the correct internet time)
18:06<kenyon>damn company proxy blocks imgur :(
18:06<kitallis>use tor XD
18:07<kenyon>heh is blocked too
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18:07<kitallis>this is not even a debian question
18:07<kitallis>i guess
18:07<kitallis>more like a gnome question
18:07<gruetzkopf>but u use debian
18:07<retrospectacus>kitallis: please lay off the Enter key
18:08<kitallis>oh, okay.
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18:09<kenyon>hah blocked too. it's ok, I need to go home anyway.
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18:11<kitallis>Oh, hm i really did some enter-spamming there, probably sleepy (see the time in that image)
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18:18<retrospectacus>kitallis: I think you just need to click "set" by New Delhi
18:18<retrospectacus>to set your system time to that TZ
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18:19<kitallis>i don't see "set"
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18:21<retrospectacus>you have to move your mouse over New Delhi and it should appear
18:22<kitallis>oh, it does now :|
18:22<kitallis>also the whole box sorta squeezes to the right.
18:23*retrospectacus shrug
18:23<kitallis>when I moved the mouse over, now it doesn't after i've set it.
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18:24<retrospectacus>nighty night
18:24<amartin>retrospectacus, your solutions works 100% Even tested it changing the name of the apt.conf and it wanted to upgrade the whole system. After restoring apt.conf it doesn't want me to upgrade enything
18:25<retrospectacus>yes that file is important for this setup :)
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18:26<amartin>sweat dreams guys
18:27<retrospectacus>have a good weekend :)
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18:54<Zborg>is 4 udma crc errors after three badblocks runs (0xaa, 0x55, and 0xff) on a new drive anything to be concerned about?
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19:09<christian>hello !
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19:28<monochrome>how do i get that nice little console font back after installing nvidia drivers?
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20:02<Habstinat>Hello, I'm having some issues removing files from my USB. I try to do rm -r /media/disk-2/*, but it takes a really long time, I get a lot of "Input Output Error"s and "Read Only Filesystem"s, and at the end only some of the data is removed and I get this error:
20:04<sney>why not just format it?
20:04<retrospectacus>nuke it
20:05<Habstinat>sney: Thanks, but I'm not sure how to do that. I'd be willing to learn though.
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20:06<sney>Habstinat: man mkdosfs
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20:07<Habstinat>sney: Thanks, I'll try using mkdosfs.
20:08<ladoga>Habstinat: you might alternatively use gparted
20:08<ladoga>Habstinat: easy user interface
20:08<sney>you might alternatively kill a fly with a sledgehammer
20:09<Habstinat>ladoga: sney: mkdosfs doesn't seem to have a manual page anyways.
20:09<ladoga>Habstinat: but fdisk / mkdosfs way is ofcourse better to learn
20:10<sney>Habstinat: it does, you just don't have it installed.
20:10<sney>the package is dosfsutils
20:10<sney>er tools ,yeah
20:11<Habstinat>Thanks. Installing that now.
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20:14<thewanderer1>since which kernel version are cgroups supported?
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20:19<Habstinat>I get "Command not found" when I try to execute mkdosfs, and I'm not getting anything when I try to do "sudo apt-get install mkdosfs". What is the package it would be in?
20:20<mjr>dosfstools, presumably
20:21<ladoga>try apt-cache search dosfstools
20:21<Habstinat>mjr: I already have that, and ladoga: Thanks, I'll try that.
20:21<ladoga>if it's there it there...then just install it with apt-get install dosfstools
20:22<ladoga>if you already have it installed then you sure have mkdosfs too
20:23<ladoga>it's part of the package
20:23<Habstinat>ladoga: It's there, but when I try to install it I just get "dosfstools is already the newest version."
20:23<Habstinat>ladoga: (And by there I mean in the apt-cache)
20:24<mjr>perchance you don't have /sbin in your path
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20:25<ladoga>Habstinat: apt-cache search just searches the repositories, apt-get install installs
20:25<Habstinat>ladoga: I have a /sbin.
20:25<ladoga>but what mjr says is most likely
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20:26<Habstinat>Sorry, meant to tag mjr: in that last message
20:26<Habstinat>ladoga: I did apt-cache search and then apt-get install.
20:27<sney>Habstinat: you have a /sbin, but by default only root can execute things in /sbin without typing out the whole path, e.g. /sbin/ifconfig
20:27<Habstinat>sney: So I can type /sbin/mkdosfs to execute it?
20:27<sney>yeah, though not being root your options will be limited
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20:29<ladoga>Habstinat: and man /sbin/mkdosfs for instructions how to use it
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20:30<Habstinat>ladoga: For some reason, man mkdosfs seems to work by itself.
20:31<ladoga>Habstinat: maybe you had a typo earlier
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20:32<Habstinat>ladoga: No, I'm positive when I type "mkdosfs" I get a command not found
20:32<ladoga>Habstinat: if you are not root
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20:33<dpkg>PATH is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It's defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells.
20:33<Habstinat>ladoga: Oh, that seemed to be the trick. Thanks.
20:33<ladoga>Habstinat: if you are not root /sbin is not in your path by default
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20:52<acu>I want to install debian squeeze in an atom inspiron - which package should I use for debian installer ?
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21:08<Vinter>Hi folks, I'm screwed, didn't know where else to turn to. I just dist-upgraded my aptosid and ended up with scored of "/sbin/modprobe: permission denied" errors and being unable to boot. modprobe is set to 777, though, using a Knoppix CD, and everything in /etc/modprobe.d is 644. What am I doing wrong?
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21:15<Vinter>*bump* any help? isn't it daytime in the US right now? (I'm German)
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21:17<Arrowmaster>its evening
21:17<Arrowmaster>(and no i have no clue how to help you)
21:17<Vinter>thanks anyways ^^
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21:19<motherfucker>I am doing your moms!
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21:22<motherfucker>For me it's satisfying, to see your mothers crying!
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21:23<motherfucker>Your mothers eat my seamon.
21:24<Vinter>yo momma so fat, she fell in love and broke it, motherfucker.
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21:24<Vinter>and now get to talking about debian.
21:25<Vinter>and learn to spell.
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21:36<ladoga>Vinter: check /sbin/insmod executable
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21:40<Vinter>ladoga: insmod is 750 root:root
21:40<Vinter>any problem iwth that?
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21:42<Name1ess>what's the command to install a .deb file I downloaded? For instance, ~/Downloads/mypkg.deb ?
21:42<Vinter>dpkg -i, Name1ess
21:42<dpkg>Vinter: I give up, what is it?
21:43<Name1ess>Vinter: dpkg -i ~/Downloads/mypkg.deb ? exactly like that?
21:43<Vinter>as root, of course
21:44<Name1ess>ok, i got no errors - now how do i start wine & install win32 apps?
21:45<Name1ess>since there is not an icon in the Kmenu
21:45<Name1ess>in kde 3.5, there is an item in the menu, all wine-installed progs get an icon in that place too
21:45<Vinter>uh, depends... on the cli, just type "wine file.exe" in the appropriate dir
21:45<Name1ess>where is the appripriate dir?
21:46<Vinter>appropriate meaning the dir where the .exe is located
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21:46<ladoga>Vinter: i think insmod should be executable by all users
21:46<Name1ess>so, navigate to my ntfs partition, type wine install_file.exe
21:46<Vinter>but most file managers should prompt you what to open a .exe with when you click it
21:46<Vinter>ladoga: thanks, will try
21:47<Name1ess>i am stuck with Dolphin -- i cant even open it in superuser mode
21:47<Vinter>Name1ess: excacly, assumin you mounted the partition rw
21:47<Name1ess>is there an irc room specifically devoted to wine install/use?
21:47<ladoga>Vinter: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7996 Jun 27 2010 /sbin/insmod
21:48<Name1ess>becasue I find it odd that there's not an icon like there is in KDE3.5
21:48<Vinter>thanks ladoga, that helps a lot
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21:48<Vinter>Name1ess: I usually use the CLI, I can't help you with KDE
21:49<Name1ess>CLI is for people who want to party like 1985 -- I'd like a GUI please.
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21:49<Vinter>cli is for people who want control over their system
21:49<Name1ess>i just want the damn thing to work
21:49<Name1ess>but a GUI would be nice, too
21:50<Vinter>I know, but can't offer further help, sorry ^^
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21:51<ladoga>Vinter: so that would be 755? anyway it was executable by root so maybe that's not the problem
21:51<Vinter>anyways, going back to my beer mug now, after all, it's 4 o'clock in the morning here in .de
21:52<Vinter>ladoga: gonna try toying with that tomorrow
21:52<ladoga>Vinter: there could be some file corruption in insmod or modprobe binaries that might cause such
21:52<Vinter>although I don't think this will be a problem
21:52<Vinter>hmm... you think so'?
21:52<Vinter>I only upgraded from debian and aptosid sources
21:53<ladoga>i did bit googling and found this
21:53<Vinter>arend the files checked after download?
21:53<ladoga>no idea. i've never seen such problem
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21:54<Vinter>yeah I know :/ I had a similar problem once before and nobody knew how to help
21:54<Vinter>only then, restoring permissions helped
21:54<Vinter>now it doesn't
21:56<Vinter>and I checked your link, it picks up at a much later point... my problems start right after mounting /, so for instance, I am never prompted to enter the password for my crypted /var or /home...
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21:59<ladoga>Vinter: maybe because filesystem modules arent being loaded
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22:00<ladoga>Vinter: do you have any older kernel to boot with?
22:01<Vinter>ladoga: Yes, I suspected as much, seeing how modprobe won
22:01<Vinter>'t work
22:01<Vinter>Older kernels won't do the trick, either
22:02<Vinter>I'll try changing insmod permissions and rebooting
22:02<Vinter>after that, I'll call it a night
22:02<ladoga>Vinter: so it's same with them all
22:02<Vinter>thanks a lot for your hints
22:02<Vinter>I'll get back to you when I'm up and running again
22:02<ladoga>Vinter: seems like modules themselves can be ok then they reside under /lib/modules/whateverkernel i think
22:03<ladoga>Vinter: so according to my logic it should be something with those executables
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22:03<Vinter>seem like that
22:03<ladoga>Vinter: ok, i hope you get it sorted out
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22:04<Vinter>so see ya then :) g'night
22:04<ladoga>Vinter: sweet dreams
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22:07<ladoga>Name1ess: you should be able to launch .exe using wine just by clicking on it in dolphin
22:08<ladoga>Name1ess: no need to be superuser
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22:09<Name1ess>ladoga: will this put an icon for my installed ap in the Kmenu?
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22:10<ladoga>Name1ess: no idea of kmenu either. i think in gnome it did do that automatically
22:11<ladoga>Name1ess: but you could add it manually if it doesn't
22:11<Name1ess>I'm over in freenode #winehq waiting for lurkers to notice my question
22:12<ladoga>Name1ess: that icon is simply launcher to wine whatever.exe
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22:15<Name1ess>ladoga: seems like it worked :V
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22:22<ladoga>Name1ess: about just wanting it work...
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22:23<ladoga>Name1ess: i think the idea behind debian is to be customizable to ones needs
22:24<Name1ess>ladoga: where did the install put the files in my filesystem? I can't right-click a shortcut to get properties
22:24<ladoga>Name1ess: if you want a basic desktop install where everything "just works" out of the box maybe linux mint or ubuntu would be better choices
22:25<ladoga>Name1ess: wait a sec. i don't have wine installed on this box but i think it's .wine/something as default
22:26<Name1ess>and where is /wine located?
22:27<Name1ess>where is .wine ***
22:27<ladoga>in your home directory
22:27<monochrome>usually ~`/.wine/drive_c is your fake windows C: partition
22:28<Name1ess>there it is, in home
22:28<monochrome>run winefile or something and it will create it
22:28<monochrome>~/ sry
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22:31<monochrome>you can run .exe's from anywhere by clicking on them in a file manager or something
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22:34<Name1ess>sweet, it just works \o/
22:35<Name1ess>now if im lucky, all the Win apps I'd like to keep using will all work
22:35<monochrome>i think theres a frontend addon or something for wine
22:36<monochrome>yeah playonlinux
22:36<kop>!tell Name1ess about overview
22:37<kop>Name1ess: ^^, in case you're new to debian.
22:37<monochrome>i am heh
22:37<monochrome>more or less
22:37<dpkg>Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See . Ask me about <security>, <kmuto>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <volatile>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian-live>. See also: <grounding>, <social contract>
22:37<monochrome>just built a "new" machine and switched to debian for my main workstation
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22:39<kop>monochrome: What release?
22:40<monochrome>well, i just put it together, so i figured i might as well run squeeze
22:40<monochrome>its my first 64 bit machine :)
22:40<monochrome>well, besides the ultra sparc
22:41<kop>monochrome: That might be simpler, just because otherwise you might have needed the kmuto installer. I like to stick with stable, and use backports if I need something newer. I want my box to work when I want to use it.
22:42<monochrome>i dont worry about all that
22:42<monochrome>everything is expendable
22:42<monochrome>just waiting for release
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22:51<monochrome>kop: wait, whats a kmuto installer
22:52<monochrome>i installed squeeze beta2
22:56<monochrome>i got redhatitis and jumped ship after 15 years :)
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22:57<monochrome>i muddled through and got everything how i want, fvwm etc but have no clue what goes on around debian so i'm here watching
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23:00<Name1ess>hmm - wine didn't create c:/documents and settings/nameless/Application Data/mIRC
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23:00<Name1ess>mIRC stores a bunch of stuff there -- wonder why it never got added
23:01<monochrome>Name1ess: mirc installer would have created it no?
23:01<monochrome>why the hell are you running mirc in wine?
23:01<monochrome>hangin' on eh
23:01<ananth123>monochrome: kmuto is the guy who backports the latest drivers and other goodies....
23:02<monochrome>yeah was just looking there but saw no use for it
23:02<monochrome>still not sure why he said that
23:03<monochrome>unless he thought i meant new hardware but thats why i said "new" :)
23:05<monochrome>an old dead board in a box i got somewhere, replaced a bunch of swelled caps on it and now its my new fastest machine :)
23:05<monochrome>athlon 64 3000+
23:06<monochrome>its been sitting on a shelf for like 2 years
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23:08<monochrome>that beta 64bit flash plugin is actually pretty good
23:11*jester45 never thought he would see flash and good used in the same sentence
23:12<monochrome>cant polish a turd
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23:13<jester45>but you can paint over it
23:13<jester45>btw, have you tried to polish a turd?
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23:14<monochrome>yeah, it just gets all over everything
23:15<monochrome>i was running centos, so theres a whole lot of things that are feeling better now i think
23:15<jester45>i never could get into rpm based distros, never worked for me
23:15<monochrome>the other machine was an athlon XP 3000+ with the same video card so its not really that different
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23:16<monochrome>just a hair better, but the 64 bit flash is faster than the nonfree 32bit one, i can say that much
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23:17<monochrome>jester45: ive run some form of redhat for about 15 years, slackware before that at first, but theres nothing there for me now
23:18<monochrome>fedora is annoying and rhel is too far behind for a workstation
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23:19<monochrome>i'll leave centos on servers, i'm just talking about my own satisfaction
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23:44<Name1ess>looks like WoW don't work on wine yet
23:44<Name1ess>is there a Linux client?
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23:45<ananth123>nope. that project was cancelled
23:45*Name1ess grumbles
23:46<Name1ess>makes sense tho - they change the client so often, you'd need an army to keep up with it
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23:46<ananth123>wow used to work earlier on wine.....
23:46<Name1ess>ver 2
23:47<Name1ess>this is Cataclysm
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23:47<Name1ess>everything you knew has changed
23:47*Name1ess grumbles
23:47<Name1ess>so, any steps I can take to try forcing the issue?
23:48<Name1ess>configging wine to make it install?
23:48<ananth123>no idea, sorry. perhaps #wine ?
23:48<monochrome>did you try playonlinux?
23:49<ananth123>not recently. i had played long back....~3yrs ago
23:49<Name1ess>monochrome: looking if its installed ...
23:49<monochrome>ive never actually used wine for anything
23:49<Name1ess>installing playonlinux
23:50<Name1ess>some of the pkgs couldn't be retrieved from server :V
23:50<Name1ess>i bet this failed install hanging here is the culprit
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23:52<monochrome>i used it once to install quake4 so i could copy the files over to the linux version, doom3 too i guess
23:52<ananth123>ive used ps with wine :)
23:52<Name1ess>i tried installing WoW 4x that I got from blizard - next I'll try installing from the discs, and then if that works, updating
23:53<monochrome>oh photoshop
23:53<monochrome>i was like wha
23:53<ananth123> bad
23:53<Name1ess><- uses PaintShopPro7
23:53<Name1ess>used to use**
23:53<ananth123>now i use gimp :(
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23:53<Name1ess>look up 'gimp' in a dictionary
23:54<monochrome>heh i use gimp, works fine for what i need which isnt much
23:54<Name1ess>installing playonlinux
23:54<ananth123>same here. for anything more complex, i ask my friends.... saves a lot of time too
23:55<Name1ess>launching ..
23:56<Name1ess>brb smoke while it updates
23:56<monochrome>theres a wow thingy in there, dunno if that means it works though
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