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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-01-08

---Logopened Sat Jan 08 00:00:03 2011
00:02<Name1ess>hmm - updated version available
00:03<monochrome>youre on your own there...
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00:04<Name1ess>i suppose get the .deb from the site, and dpkg -i the.deb
00:04<monochrome>i wouldnt until you know the one you have isnt working for you
00:05<Name1ess>i see a burning crusade item ....
00:06<Name1ess>installing that ...
00:06<ladoga>gimp is nice
00:06<Name1ess>dmn - it wants 4 cds
00:06<ladoga>i do quite bit of photo editing with it
00:06<monochrome>Name1ess: hrm they have a repo config there, i suppose you might as well do it
00:07<Name1ess>my install disks are 2 DVDs
00:08<ladoga>does pretty much everything that photoshop does except lossless (16-bit) editing
00:08<monochrome>its come a long way
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00:09<ananth123>yes, it has a lot of features. i just prefer the photoshop interface thats all.
00:09<ladoga>and I can live with that since i adjust white balance of raw images on separate program
00:10<ladoga>ananth123: yes thats just which one is used to
00:10<ananth123>its not a major problem since im not a graphic designer/artist... just a casual user
00:10<ladoga>ananth123: also in PS interface in OSX is quite similar to gimp
00:10<ananth123>i know
00:10<ladoga>ananth123: windows is different since it lack good window management
00:10<ladoga>ananth123: so everything has to be inside one window
00:11<ananth123>its very different in cs5 too. everything in tabs. bah!
00:11<ananth123>i cant even have two photos side by side to compare.....sighs.
00:12<Name1ess>removing playonlinux, getting latest from website ...
00:12<ladoga>gimp isn't drop in replacement for PS..not atleast until 16-bit editing
00:12<monochrome>Name1ess: keep hope alive heh
00:12<ladoga>but for most users that shouldn't matter
00:12<Name1ess>ui'd hate to have to go back to XP just to play WoW
00:13<monochrome>or you could just not play WoW
00:13<Name1ess>you may enjoy tweaking config files, but I'd rather waste MY time in Azeroth
00:14<monochrome>yes, i do actually
00:14<monochrome>i make laser noises when i'm in vi
00:15<Name1ess>vi is a powerful editor -- too powerful for a newbie
00:15*ananth123 smells somethin burnin...
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00:16<nutterpc>if its burning
00:16<nutterpc>cook food on it
00:16<Name1ess>in other words, install DSL on your toaster oven
00:17*nutterpc is sittin here watching Linux bash script go by
00:18<ladoga>ananth123: good gimp tutorials
00:18<ladoga>ananth123: there's something like 150 episodes
00:18<nutterpc>Name1ess, feels like watching grass grow, lol
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00:21<glc>Hello all
00:22<glc>I have a hardware question, not necesarily related to Debian tho, is it ok if I ask here?
00:22<ladoga>go ahead
00:23<glc>its about the interchanging hardware between different regions/electricity
00:23<glc>i assume if i change the powersupply everything like the motherboards, processor, etc. should be fine
00:23<nutterpc>step/step down transformers
00:23<glc>but im wondering about the video card and the monitor
00:23<glc>coz of the different formats, NTCS, PAL..
00:24<ladoga>NTSC and PAL are for video (as in TV) no?
00:24<nutterpc>as long as you make sure that the Voltage you are running on the device, is capable of being supplied weioth a stream of voltage from where you are now
00:24<ladoga>usually power supplies have switch to set the voltage
00:25<nutterpc>normally its on the back
00:25<ananth123>ladoga: thanks! sorry was afk
00:25<ladoga>i know because i once blew up mine flicking it accidentally
00:25<CompWizrd>i find most modern monitors are autoswitching from 100-240VAC nowadays
00:25<glc>nutterpc, ladoga: yea thanks
00:25<nutterpc>ladoga, that woulda sucked
00:25<CompWizrd>check the label on the unit you're using, most will say if they're 100-240
00:25<CompWizrd>which means you can just find the right power cord and plug it in
00:25<glc>but i wasnt sure if my us bought video card would work with a european monitor
00:25<CompWizrd>oh, and it'll say 50-60 hz as well
00:26<CompWizrd>glc if it's inside the computer, it doesn't matter as long as your power supply is set right
00:26<CompWizrd>monitors aren't NTSC/PAL, just tv's
00:26<nutterpc>if the PSU is set correct
00:26<nutterpc>ur fine
00:26<nutterpc>is what it comes down to
00:26<glc>CompWizrd: cool, thought so, wanted to double check before taking this box halfway around the world :)
00:26<glc>thanks guys
00:26<ladoga>glc: so what you need is matching power cord and maybe setting the computer's PSU to right voltage
00:26<CompWizrd>if you're connecting to a TV, most video cards have the option to use PAL, i think
00:28<glc>na, just an older win box i got here at my parents house in the usa, i moved to spain, and just gonna grab the motherboard (its got integrated everything) processor and ram, take it on the plane with me
00:28<nutterpc>CompWizrd, VID testing bash scripts i think now officially bore me
00:28<glc>buy a cheap monitor and ps over there (prolly not even case) and use it to use magicjack to call back here..
00:29<CompWizrd>glc: keep in mind airport security might think you're a bit strange for brigning that on a plane, especially in carryon
00:29<ladoga>CompWizrd: who cares what they think
00:29<glc>CompWizrd: yea man i know, not gonna carry it on, and gonna tell them when i check in
00:29<ladoga>glc: tell them it's a bomb
00:29<glc>ladoga: dont want my shit searched or any bullshit haha
00:30<Name1ess>ladoga: trying the steps at wowwiki
00:30<ladoga>so how to you like it in spain?
00:31<Name1ess>the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain
00:32<ladoga>bit slower pace of living than in the states i guess
00:32<glc>lol what?
00:32<glc>ladoga: i live in a big city so a lot faster pace :)
00:33<Name1ess>well, THIS is odd
00:33<ladoga>i've thought few times going there for a while few months maybe
00:33<Name1ess>seems like playonlinux messed up wine
00:34<glc>yea check it out if you get a chance :)
00:34<glc>im studying there, super cheap
00:34<glc>1800usd a year for computer engineering :)
00:34<ladoga>and nice people
00:34<ladoga>for locals it's probably free...the studying i mean
00:35<Name1ess>but yeah - wine is hosed, time ro remove / replace it i guess
00:35<ananth123>reminds me of Auberge espanol......
00:36<ladoga>and the weather is not as cold as here (in finland) :)
00:36<ladoga>oh. sorry
00:36<ladoga>back to the subject
00:38<Name1ess>i give up. Back to the MS pigsty for me - I'll try again in a year or so.
00:39<glc>ok im off, thanks for your help guys
00:39<Name1ess>would it caus einfinate recursion if I installed WinXP under wine?
00:39<glc>ladoga: gl with going to spain
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00:40<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See".
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00:40<PovAddict>I see instructions about how to make a bootable LiveUSB
00:40<Name1ess>nah, i'd rather just install, and spend the next week updating / rebooting / rinse&repeat
00:40<PovAddict>but how do I make a USB *installer*?
00:40<PovAddict>ie. like the installation CD, but in a pendrive
00:41<kop>PovAddict: You read the install guide.
00:41<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.7) can be found at . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
00:41<ananth123>PovAddict: its the same process. the bootable usb can also install
00:42<kop>Name1ess: Better than wine is to run MS inside a vm.
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00:44<dpkg>debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>.
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00:45<kop>PovAddict: So, you can use a live usb stick as well to install -- without the classical debian installer. If that's what you want. Either way works.
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01:15<dpkg>debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>.
01:16<hyun>hello kop
01:16<hyun>help me
01:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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02:06<ladoga>too bad povaddict went already
02:06<monochrome>Name1ess: maybe keep an eye on that
02:06<ladoga>i just installed debian testing from usb stick few days ago
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02:10<ananth123>monochrome: tx!
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02:11<monochrome>i was a bit surprised when i saw it on slashdot
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02:24<zem>wasn't codega pay to play?
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02:30<hassan>I run debian squeeze amd64 on an atom dell - I want to create a usb bootable stick so I can install daily squeeze - can anyone help
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02:34<hyun>i just installed lamp on fedora 14 and i can't connect from other computer
02:34<hyun>what do i do now plz help me
02:35<hyun>did i do wrong something
02:36<hyun>anyone here
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02:43<cisc0ninja>good morning *
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02:45<cisc0ninja>so yea there was a bug in 2009 that i think has resurfaced
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02:46<cisc0ninja>anyone able to take a look a this?
02:46<cisc0ninja>here is an example of what i see happening...
02:47<cisc0ninja>although the initial bug reboot for this was done in 2009, i thought dave miller fixed the issue, but it seems to have resurfaced for a few people
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02:47<cisc0ninja> works fine but everything after that seems to be breaking (or everything after that version that i've tried)
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02:49<cisc0ninja>under the latest testing distro it errors out and won't even finish loading the installer, but for the stable one i can finish installing but when i build a custom kernel using i run in to the same issue
02:49<cisc0ninja>console tty0 enable bootconsole disabled
02:49<cisc0ninja>and it just hangs
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02:52<cisc0ninja>i have to build a custom kernel due to the fact that there is a different bug which affects networking, as soon as i run dhclient or ifup eth0 it dumps a lot of crap to the console and says rebooting
02:52<cisc0ninja>any ideas?
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04:29<bluenemo>do you guys know of a tool like uptime that is more usable in a script?
04:30<bluenemo>i need to know exactly the time (at best in seconds) the system is running
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04:38<bluenemo>i could define a $ at startup with the current time.. is there another possibility?
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04:52<ladoga>bluenemo i'm not sure that i understand what you mean
04:52<ladoga>something like this? uptime | awk '{print $1}'
04:52<ladoga>it prints out
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04:54<ladoga>bluenemo: ?
04:54<bluenemo>ladoga, i think thats the current time, isnt it?
04:54<ladoga>that prints out how long system has been running
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04:55<ladoga>just normal uptime with filtered output to exclude other info
04:55<bluenemo>. /proc uptime prints out the time in seconds the system is running, that'll do the job, already build it into my script. but thx for the help :)
04:55<bluenemo>here uptime puts out (its 10.55) 10:55:04 up 40 min, 2 users, load average: 0.16, 0.03, 0.01
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04:56<bluenemo>so i think $1 is the current time, isnt it?
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04:56<ladoga>oh..sorry. thats right
04:56<ladoga>wait a sec
04:56<bluenemo>. /proc/uptime: This file contains two numbers: the uptime of the system (seconds), and the amount of time spent in idle process (seconds).
04:57<bluenemo>2554.41 4776.13
04:57<bluenemo>hm how can it spend more time idle than up.. wth :D
04:57<ladoga>yes thats the best way to get it
04:58<bluenemo>2554 : 60 = 42.5 - that seems right :)
04:58<ladoga>maybe it has multiple cores
04:58<ladoga>or something..i cant make other sense of it
04:59<ladoga>first number should be the uptime in seconds anyway
04:59<bluenemo>ah mutlicore would make sence yes
04:59<bluenemo>yes it is. works fine for me so far :)
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05:54<tuxcrafter>i am going through the RC bugs for sqeeze to see if i can setup a debian sqeeze server for productions as samba pdc
05:54<tuxcrafter>i cant see anything blockign for me
05:54<tuxcrafter>does somebody knows something critical?
05:54<tuxcrafter>i already have a debian sqeeze testing system running and it seems to work
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06:26<babilen>tuxcrafter: The main point that you want to consider is that Squeeze has, as of now, no security support that is comparable to stable. (i.e. none) -- I wouldn't necessarily recommend running it on a production server. Can't you use backported packages that are not available for Lenny, or backport specific ones yourself?
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06:26<abrotman>babilen: it is an internal system .. FWIW
06:27<tuxcrafter>well there are some issues with the stable packages like very old grub
06:27<tuxcrafter>but i could run stable
06:27<abrotman>tuxcrafter: grub2 is in lenny?
06:27<tuxcrafter>abrotman: to old
06:27<abrotman>for what?
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06:27<tuxcrafter>abrotman: it does not do ext4 with lvm and mdraid
06:27<tuxcrafter>talked about it on the backport mailinglists
06:27<abrotman>the grub2 in backports does IIRC
06:27<abrotman>judd: versions grub-pc
06:27<judd>Package grub-pc on i386 -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-11; sid: 1.98+20100804-13; experimental: 1.99~20110106-1
06:28<tuxcrafter>backports is also to old
06:28<tuxcrafter>but i asked somebody to make a new package and he did so
06:28<tuxcrafter>so i can use that
06:28<abrotman>for ext4? i dont think it is
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06:28<tuxcrafter>abrotman: for ext4 as rootfs with lvm and mdraid
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06:28<abrotman>anyway .. it's your call, but ask babilen pointed out .. squeeze security updates are lacking .. they exist, but they're not a priority yet
06:29<tuxcrafter>i will try the stable version then
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06:29<tuxcrafter>the server is behind firewall but still...
06:29<abrotman>but since it's an internal/non-internet server .. you might be okay .. depends how much you trust your users
06:29<babilen>but given that it is an internal system, you might not need the same level of security support. It is up to you, but don't complain afterwards ;)
06:29<tuxcrafter>babilen: ack!
06:30<tuxcrafter>would sqeeze go stable around fosdem :)
06:30<tuxcrafter>say 14 feb?
06:30<abrotman>no idea ..
06:30<dpkg>Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>, most likely in the first half of 2011. See and . See also <guess the release date>.
06:31<tuxcrafter>i take that as a no :D
06:31<abrotman>i would imagine within the next two months seems likely, but i wouldn't bet my house on it
06:31<babilen>tuxcrafter: might happen though
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06:31<tuxcrafter>exciting (thumbs up)
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06:32<abrotman>tuxcrafter: if it were me, i'd probably go with squeeze, but i've been using Debian a very long time ..
06:32<tuxcrafter>me too
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07:08<jacks_lt>how does this works with cron? @weekly
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07:09<abrotman>doesn't the man page say ?
07:09<jacks_lt>ok it runs once a week, but how is it managed?
07:09<jacks_lt>at what time does it run
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07:09<jacks_lt>and what if the pc is not turned on at that time?
07:09<abrotman>judd: info anacron --release lenny
07:09<judd>Package anacron (admin, optional) in lenny/i386: cron-like program that doesn't go by time. Version: 2.3-13.1; Size: 28.6k; Installed: 188k
07:10<dpkg>from memory, anacron is a cron-like program that runs jobs that cron would have skipped if the system was shutdown.
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07:40<jacks_lt>you can run cron as user, is this also possible with anacron?
07:42<jacks_lt>is it possible to use both cron and anacron on a system?
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08:12<jacks_lt>how do I start anacron as user on a server?
08:12<jacks_lt>I mean to have it constantly running?
08:12<jacks_lt>also after reboot
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08:14<akx>hay alguien
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08:15<akx>cuando tengas cagas de ayudarme me avisan
08:15<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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08:41<jacks_lt>how do I start anacron as user on a server automatically when booting?
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08:42<root>r u busy ?
08:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:44<root>i am new to the backtrack .................
08:44<root>anyone help me ...............
08:44<dpkg>i guess bt is Bhutan, or <bluetooth>, or British Telecom, or <bittorrent>, or <BackTrack>.
08:45<root>backtrack4 r1
08:45<devil>root: this is debian channel only
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08:45<Ganneff>you are wrong here
08:45<devil>please ask in a backtrak channel
08:45<otto>Any chance of getting Dropbox to work using Debian/Gnome?
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08:45<abrotman>root: try #backtrack-linux on
08:45<hide>wtf is backtrack?!
08:45<devil>otto: it works
08:46<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
08:46<otto>Can to tell me how to accomplish this?
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08:46<abrotman>otto: which version of debian ?
08:46<hide>And why did offcial Debian channed move from freenode to here?
08:46<otto>The latest stable (Lenny)
08:46<devil>otto: get the .deb from the dropbox page. it works with nautilus
08:46<gsimmons>dpkg: tell hide -about oftc move
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08:48<otto>I had problems with that approach, but will try again and better document what happeened . Thanks for your suggestion, I will probably be back with a more detailed account of the installation problem.
08:48<hide>still a nonsense :(
08:49<hide>OK, back to the topic
08:49<hide>I have a running system with LILO. I want to clone the system to another HDD (cp -aux / /mnt/disk2) but install grub2 instead. Any ideas how to accomplish that?
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08:50<jacks_lt>how do I start anacron as user on a server automatically when booting?
08:50<jacks_lt>and how do I test a anacron file?
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08:52<hide>I get sneering for using LILO at the moment :(
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08:53<jacks_lt>no one uses anacron here?
08:53<jacks_lt>I need some assistence
08:54<otto>Trying to get Dropbox to install on Lenny. I get nautilus-dropbox_0.6.7_i386.deb from I double click on it and get an error message of Archive type not supported. Any suggestions?
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09:02<devil>otto: dpkg -i naut...
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09:02<devil>do you have the right architecture?
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09:03<manz>hi otto, have a look to this howto
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09:04<manz>you can install client easy in Ubuntu and Fedora, but not in Debian
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09:04<manz>howto :Compiling Dropbox client under Debian Squeeze
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09:04<devil>i had no probs under sid
09:05<otto>Thanks devel and manz. I will try both suggestions, but I was already coming to the conclusion that I may have to switch to Ubuntu.
09:05<manz>you're welcome (conclusion, grrr)
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09:06<devil>otto: switching to ubuntu to get dropbox to run is not a clever move :)
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09:07<otto>I am trying to be clever, despite being a noob. Ubuntu is last resort.
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09:08<devil>otto: do you have a 64-bit install?
09:08<otto>Dropbox is important because it works so well on the other winXP systems here. I have a 32-bit install
09:09<devil>otto: so, what does: dpkg -i naut [hit TAB here] give you?
09:09<devil>otto: you need to cd.. to the dir where the file is before doing that
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09:11<otto>dpkg: dependency problems
09:11<dpkg>otto: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
09:12<devil>otto: that is to be expected because dpkg does not resolve these. so please pastebin the output
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09:12<otto>dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of nautilus-dropbox:
09:12<otto> nautilus-dropbox depends on libnautilus-extension1 (>= 1:2.22.2); however:
09:12<otto> Version of libnautilus-extension1 on system is 2.20.0-7.
09:12<otto>dpkg: error processing nautilus-dropbox (--install):
09:12<dpkg>otto: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>.
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09:14<manz>otto are u on squeeze
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09:14<devil>manz: he got kicked
09:15<manz>devil, all right
09:15<devil>for mistaking the channel with a pastebin ;)
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09:16<devil>hm, testing has 2.20.0-7 0, he would need libnautilus-extension1 from sid
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09:18<manz>otto here is a deb file for squeeze
09:18<devil>manz: he has a 32.bit system
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09:18<manz>oups ! 64bits
09:19<devil>otto: please put the whole output to
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09:20<otto>Devil, What would accomplish? Is Dropbox on 32-bit Lenny a science project?
09:21<devil>otto: you need to get and dpkg -i that. then run apt-get -f install
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09:22<devil>otto: what are you trying to say? the paste would give me a clue to help you get what you want and keep you from getting kicked again because you mistake the channel with a pastebin
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09:23<otto>Forgive my noobiness, devil. This is all news to me.
09:23<devil>these steps are neccessary because dropbox is not part of debian yet
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09:26<otto>So I did the thing, as you suggested.
09:26<devil>can i have the resulting URL please?
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09:27<devil>it changes after you hit 'send'
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09:27<otto>This is the error message: Could not add your entry to the paste database:
09:27<otto>Invalid format for name (no special chars, max 10 chars)
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09:28<devil>you need not fill in anything but the output fron the terminal into the paste window and hit 'send'
09:28<devil>leave nme blank
09:28<devil>name even
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09:30<otto>This time I did leave the name blank and it worked. Here is the resulting URL:
09:32<devil>otto: ok, go to and get the .deb, do dpkg -i libn [TAB] and when its done, apt-get -f install
09:32<devil>if it still talks back, pastebin what it says
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09:35<otto>Still a noob here, devil. Please do not abbreviate. So I go to and precisely do what?
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09:35<devil>otto: klick on your nearest mirror
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09:36<devil>that will download the package
09:37<otto>I did that. Now enjoying the message Loading ""...
09:38<devil>wait a sec…
09:39<devil>or choose different mirror
09:40<smv>had anyone got horde3 working on a squeeze server?
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09:43<otto>OK,devil,I got the file libnautilus. Now what?
09:43<devil>otto: dpkg -i ...
09:44<otto>your'e abbreviating again.
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09:44<devil>otto: you did this step before
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09:44<devil>dpkg -i libn [TAB]
09:44*dpkg removes a liver from devil and replaces it with libn [TAB]
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09:47<otto>Did that. Here is the output: dpkg -i libnautilus-extension1_2.30.1-2_i386.deb
09:47<otto>dpkg: regarding libnautilus-extension1_2.30.1-2_i386.deb containing libnautilus-extension1:
09:47<otto> libnautilus-extension1 breaks file-roller (<< 2.24)
09:47<otto> file-roller (version 2.22.4-2) is present and installed.
09:47<otto>dpkg: error processing libnautilus-extension1_2.30.1-2_i386.deb (--install):
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09:47<dpkg>otto: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
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09:48<tata>добрый вечер)
09:48<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
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09:49<devil>otto: if you keep pasting your stuff inside the channel, you get kicked every time
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09:50<otto>Got it. I did paste that and here is the resulting URL:
09:50<devil>otto: thas what is for.
09:51<devil>otto: apt-get purge file-roller && apt-get -f install
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09:51<ItalianPrince>I'm new to this XChat. First time using. Is this for a public-user help board?
09:51<devil>otto: you need to get rid of file-roller (at least fornow)
09:52<devil>ItalianPrince: it debian english support
09:52<ItalianPrince>Thank you.
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09:54<otto>I did the roller thing. Here is the resulting URL:
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09:57<devil>otto: dpkg -i libnaut [TAB] again
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10:00<otto>Did that. Here is the URL:
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10:01<chipmonk>any clonezilla experts?
10:01<devil>otto: file-roller is still there. i thought you removed it?
10:02<devil>otto: apt-get purge file-roller
10:02<chipmonk>how do i clone a 4drive raid 5 motherboard controller administered drive
10:03<devil>otto: does that suceed?
10:04<otto>Here is the results:
10:05<devil>otto: gah, i give up on this. i know why i dont like gnome.
10:05<akx>Where do I go to Secure the Win 1.1.29, a Spanish room that is active
10:06<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
10:06<devil>or try here in english
10:07<ompaul>chipmonk: that seems like a crazy thing if only because it does nothing for data protection after the date of the change , the first thing you could do is physically label drives 1 - 8 the drives for the box in question, 4-8 are the spares then boot the box with a live cd and dd from one to another if you have operating system dependencies
10:07<otto>Thanks for your help, devil. This was fun. Now, not having time for science projects, I am going to install Ubuntu because of Dropbox.
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10:07<devil>otto: not worth it, but up to you
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10:08<ompaul>chipmonk: the reason it seems crazy you will have changes and 10 seconds after you move power on the box again new logs etc will have been written and therefore make your backups only good to that time
10:08<chipmonk> all good points but
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10:09<chipmonk>am trying to create a windows image for storage security before i convert os to ubuntu and no i do not want a dual boot
10:10<chipmonk>clonezilla indicates that it does not work with software raid
10:10<chipmonk>this is hardware raid
10:11<ompaul>chipmonk: I see you want ubuntu help then
10:11<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
10:11<otto>So, devil, do you mean I have a better chance of success with Dropbox if I switch to Debian/KDE?
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10:12<devil>otto: nope. it works fine for me with unstable (which is a bad idea for you)
10:12<chipmonk>they may not be awake this am but don't seem to answer the word clonezilla (the live cd of which is a debian)
10:12<chipmonk>to the word clonezilla
10:12<devil>otto: the problem is, dropbox not being in debian yet, we cant get thedependencies solved for squeeze
10:12<ompaul>chipmonk: it is a 24 hour clock and I know nothing of clonezilla
10:13<otto>Makes sense to me. Thanks.
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10:13<chipmonk>clonezilla is a freeware norton ghost
10:13<ompaul>chipmonk: the planet exists, your current help is coming from somewhere that the clock is the same as London in the UK i.e. some other country
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10:14<chipmonk>snowin here thought wires might be too cold well gotta lie my way outa this somehoo
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10:15<ompaul>chipmonk: clonezilla is a remote tool that boots machines over the wire so it has nothing to do with Debian as such
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10:16<chipmonk>sigh clonezilla live is not
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10:16<ompaul>chipmonk: therefore please excuse me and I'll deal with someone who has debian issues :) it is not debian good day
10:17<devil>otto: you could give a try
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10:17<ompaul>chipmonk: if you bothered to look you would have found this
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10:24<otto>So, devil, do I add a unstable/non-free repository to Synaptic?
10:25<devil>otto: to follow ? no, that should work with squeeze
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10:27<weird_19>joind the room
10:27<otto>What do you mean by "that should work with squeeze" when I am running Lenny?
10:28<devil>otto: ouch.
10:29<devil>otto: i assumed you did a freah install, as you said you are new to all this. when installing these days, it makes sense to install squeeze
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10:30<manz>otto compilation squeeze article will work with lenny, compilation adapt source software to your system, try it u'll see
10:32<manz>think you need "build essential" tool to do it
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10:34<otto>Devil: You're kidding, righr? A noob like me installing squeeze?
10:34<ompaul>otto: it is exactly the same as installing lenny
10:34<devil>otto: no, i am serious,
10:35<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.
10:35*ompaul mutters something about wrong bot
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10:35<otto>OK, can I use Synaptic to upgrade to squeeze? Is that the best way?
10:36<smv>!tell otto -about lenny->squeeze
10:36<ompaul>otto: you could, but you know what, you could learn a little more about the underlying tools.
10:37<ompaul>otto: given you have not got the system long it would be great to just to a fresh install
10:37<otto>Please name the underlying tools that I should learn about.
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10:38<ompaul>aptitude, apt-get and a bit of bash (never hurts to know a little about how to get way more out of your system)
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10:41<olspookishmagus>greetings y'all, I'm a little bit confused/stuck here... WHY I don't have a configure command available?
10:42<ompaul>olspookishmagus: configure an airconditioning system, at a guess? seriously can we have a little more information, o/s version and so forth
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10:43<olspookishmagus>$ cat /etc/debian_version
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10:43<amphi>olspookishmagus: scary, huh?
10:44<ompaul>olspookishmagus: ... eh, and what are you trying to configure ... to do what?
10:44<olspookishmagus>configure ; make ; make install ya trolls
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10:44<ompaul>olspookishmagus: apt-get install build-essentials and start then with your other stuff
10:45<olspookishmagus>ompaul: that's my point, it's already here
10:45<olspookishmagus>I'll reinstall it just in case
10:46<olspookishmagus>nah, nothing - still no `configure' around here
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10:46<petemc>olspookishmagus: configure in that context is a shell script
10:46<ompaul>olspookishmagus: are you saying you are trying to build some program ... ./configure is usual in the directory you are in
10:46<petemc>it should be provided with whatever you're building
10:47*olspookishmagus facepalms
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11:12<dpkg>hello, deco
11:12<deco>hello friends
11:12<deco>how install the: USB Startup Disk Creator !! please!!!
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11:14<ompaul>deco: this kind of thing?
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11:15<deco>ompaul: witch is the package name for aptitude command
11:15<manz>otto, i found a solution (easy one) to install dropbox
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11:18<ZeroEnna>hi @ all
11:18<manz>otto, it tried, and sorry it'snt work
11:19<deco>how install the: USB Startup Disk Creator !! please!!!
11:20<ompaul>deco: it was mentioned on the foot of that page unetbootin
11:20<cthuluh>deco: please stop shouting.
11:21<cthuluh>deco: isn't this tool an ubuntu tool?
11:21<ompaul>deco: use of caps and repeating ! are considered being loud, repeating ! does not make your question better
11:22<deco>cthuluh: I don't know, but I need for my debian SO
11:23<cthuluh>deco: do you need to create a debian installer?
11:23<ompaul>it is in squeeze
11:23<cthuluh>ompaul: unetbootin doesn't work well with debian isos, afaik
11:24<ompaul>cthuluh: I wouldn't know, I like CDs ;-)
11:24<ZeroEnna>just a quick question regarding multicore CPUs: Does Debian allocate the work to different cores/threads, or do I have to edit any configs first?
11:24<ompaul>deco: did you read that web page I pointed at?
11:24<sney>ZeroEnna: debian is natively multithreaded
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11:25<ZeroEnna>I was wondering because htop shows only one active core, insteard of 8 (quadcore with hyperthreading)
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11:26<sney>does cat /proc/cpuinfo show all of your cpus?
11:26<ZeroEnna>it shows 8, yes
11:26<sney>ok, then that's just going to be something with htop
11:27<ZeroEnna>thank you
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11:29<cthuluh>deco: no need to repeat the same question if you can't answer the ones we ask you
11:29<dwain>I'm trying to setup my server with BIND for a home network domain. My domain is 'local' and my server is server.local. I can dig it, and it provides the right IP address, but I can't ping or resolve it properly. Any ideas?
11:29<deco>but there is for debian
11:29<deco>is there for debian ?
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11:30<cthuluh>deco: no need to repeat the same question if you can't answer the ones we ask you
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11:30<ZeroEnna>bind is avalable for Debian, yes
11:31<ZeroEnna>can you ping the IP itself?
11:31<dwain>Yeah, I can ping the IP
11:31<dwain>it's running fine with Apache on it, I can access the website fine
11:31<cthuluh>deco: please stop and consider asnwering questions
11:31<Habstinat>How do I find out what my mount point (not sure of terminology) of a USB is, eg. /dev/xxx? It doesn't seem to be in the properties.
11:31<ompaul>Habstinat: df -h and look at what it says
11:32<cthuluh>Habstinat: /dev/xxx is not the mount point, it's the device
11:32<ZeroEnna>if you have to manually mount it
11:32<deco>help to anyone!!
11:32<Habstinat>ompaul: Thanks.
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11:32<ZeroEnna>well... I need to keep in mind that debian is not only for servers ;)
11:33<dwain>I have this line in my db.local file:
11:33<dwain>server A
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11:34<dwain>and the answer section when I dig server.local from my desktop is: server.local. 259200 IN A
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11:34<dwain>Yet when I ping server.local, I just get unknown host
11:34<dwain>However, if I pint, it's fine.
11:35<ZeroEnna>that's strange, I have something like this happening on windows clients
11:35<cthuluh>.local is used by multicast dns (avahi). perhaps is that the problem
11:35<ZeroEnna>well cthuluh's right
11:35<ZeroEnna>try .zz
11:35<gruetzkopf>dwain, if you ping just server?
11:35<ZeroEnna>I think it's best pratice to use it
11:36<cthuluh>deco: finding whether usb-creator is or isn't in the debian archive is an easy question. now if you *need* to install debian via an usb key, please say so
11:36<gruetzkopf>avahi dies if you are in a .local domain
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11:38<gruetzkopf>ive seen a script to stop it when you entere it somewhere around dhclient
11:38<ZeroEnna>•deco• Are you trying to create a USB boot stick?
11:38<ZeroEnna>did you try syslinux already?
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11:38<deco>USB boot stick
11:39<babilen>!tell deco -about usb install
11:39<cthuluh>deco: are you a native english speaker?
11:39<babilen>deco: Please follow the procedure outlined in the installation guide or use unetbootin
11:39<Habstinat>I'm trying to format a corrpted USB, but when I try to use mkdosfs on it, I just get "There is already a mounted filesystem".
11:39<cthuluh>deco: you might want to get help in an other chan, next time, like #debian-es, #debian-fr, etc
11:40<deco>no another !!
11:40<deco>here is cool!
11:40<dwain>gruetzkopf, same thing with just server. I'll try with a different domain, as suggested.
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11:41<__neila__>Habstinat: umount it first
11:42<Habstinat>__neila__: Thanks.
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11:44<__neila__>Habstinat: use ntfs-3g and ntfs filesystem for pendrive via USB (for compatile you know with ;) )
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11:47<dwain>cthuluh, thanks - that was it. Made a zz.db and it's fine :)
11:47<dwain>although I made it .local in the first place because that's what we used to use at work and it worked fine..although that was a windows network
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11:49<ladoga>deco: so you don't want to do it manually with syslinux?
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11:51<ladoga>deco: maybe something like this then?
11:51<dwain>Is there a way to have, say if my domain was .zz, to just have zz point to an IP address on its own?
11:52<ompaul>dwain: you should have home.lan or or whatever you want
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11:53<ompaul>lovely net split
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11:55<dwain>ompaul, I know. I was just asking if I had, say for example, server.lan, desktop.lan, etc... could I have 'lan' point to an IP address?
11:55<otto>Hi manz, I was away for awhile. Re Dropbox, thanks again. Now I am going to install squeeze. Bye.
11:55<dwain>So I could simply type in http://lan/ and have it take me to my server?
11:55<sney>dwain: you can assign names to ip addresses in /etc/hosts
11:55<dwain>I just tried it with a test zone, and it only works if I put http://lan.
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11:56<dwain>I know, sney, but I want a DNS server setup so that it works across the whole network
11:56<sney>seems like something that would be in the bind manual. but generally, yes, you can do anything with fake domain names within your own network
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13:23<nakomis>hello, where do i add vmalloc=512M (for 2GFX cards 32bit kernel) to the boot-up parameters? cause when i did grub did not showed the whole entry to select except rescue mode
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13:37<devil>nakomis: with grub2 you hit e to enter rub-edit, do your editing and hit ctrl-x to go on booting
13:38<nakomis>isnt that not a permanent change?
13:39<devil>that is not permanent, no
13:39<devil>if you want it permanent, add it to /etc/default/grub and run update-grub afterwards
13:40<nakomis>below GRUB_CMDLINE_* ?
13:42<nakomis>ahh thanks. that was it what i did wrong.
13:42<devil>dont forget to run update-grub
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13:43<nakomis>of course^^ reboot taims cya
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13:44<dwain>Is there a way I can filter out all these joining and quitting messages in xchat?
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13:45<devil>dwain: in other clients you can disable them in settings, not sure on xchat
13:46<dwain>Already looked in settings..nothing there
13:46<devil>i never use xchat, so i dont know :(
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13:46<dwain>Ah, I found it. :) Have to edit text events...
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14:15<jaimesilva>Hello everyone! I got a question: what is the right place to configure grub2's background?
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14:17<jaimesilva>no one? everybody at lunch? :D
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14:18<devil>jaimesilva: ubuntu has some nice doc on it. i never bothered myself
14:18<jaimesilva>devil: I use Debian
14:19<devil>so do i.
14:19<devil>that does not mean you cant use their docu
14:19<jaimesilva>I have seen there is /usr/share/desktop-base/
14:20<jaimesilva>but I don't want to modify it and then get the changes lost in the next desktop-base's upgrade
14:20<devil>i see grub maybe once a week for 2 secs, so i do not care.
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14:20<jaimesilva>well i turn my laptop off every night so I see it at least once a day
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14:22<jaimesilva>I have added GRUB_BACKGROUND=/usr/share.... to my /etc/default/grub file but it uses the default font colors, and those are too dark
14:22<jaimesilva>thanks devil
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14:23<prock>I made a USB stick to install my system, during install it could not font the wireless, so it's just the base system installed , can someone guide me through what to do?
14:24<jaimesilva>well, that's not a very enlightening doc it only talks about file format
14:24<jaimesilva>anyway, I guess I'll just change it on /usr/share/desktop-base/
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14:25<gruetzkopf>prock, get the firmware pakage for ur wireless, and install it wit dpkg -i
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14:25<prock>I've done ifconfig wlan0 up, no errors
14:26<prock>Iwconfig wlan0 essid linksys
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14:27<prock>Iwlist wlan0 scan and nothing shows
14:27<jaimesilva>I just need a nice debian background, not that ugly spacefun stuff, something really |<()()|_ :D
14:28<prock>I'm talking on my iPhone , my computer won't find the wireless, can you help me configure it
14:28<gruetzkopf>u got some other pc?
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14:28<gruetzkopf>wich wifi chip do you have?
14:29<prock>It's from a router
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14:29<gruetzkopf>so you have some usb plug.
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14:29<prock>Oh not sure, how can I tell, I think it sounds like areothos
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14:30<prock>No USB plug
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14:30<gruetzkopf>pci card?
14:30<prock>It's built into the laptop
14:30<prock>Dot know, what to type to find out
14:30<jaimesilva>prock try with lspci
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14:31<gruetzkopf>lspci | less
14:31<prock>lspci: command not found
14:31<gruetzkopf>for better reading
14:31<jaimesilva>are you logged as root?
14:31<cahoot>prock: install pciutils
14:32<gruetzkopf>but you need internet for that
14:32<gruetzkopf>use a cable
14:32<jaimesilva>cahoot: the problem is he has no network so he can't install anything
14:32<gruetzkopf>if you have one
14:32<prock>I can't cause i need the net, I'm not able to install Amy package besdevwhat is on the base system
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14:32<jaimesilva>I also think is better to install with a cable and then get wifi working
14:32<gruetzkopf>you need it for maybe one hour
14:32<cahoot>prock: lshw in place?
14:33<prock>I'm at a free wifi hot spot
14:33<jaimesilva>If you can't use a cable then maybe you must use a full distro install image instead of the network install
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14:35<prock>Only ls* I have is lsattr, lsmod, lspgpot, lsusb
14:35<jaimesilva>prock: You will need wpasupplicant for sure
14:36<cahoot>and chances are you also need firmware for the wifi
14:36<jaimesilva>prock: dpkg -l | grep wpa
14:36<kitallis>ok, I'm trying to use ant to build source. And it gives me a Unable to locate tools.jar. Expected to find it in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-
14:36<prock>Novatel Wireless is what I get from Kayan
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14:37<prock>Dang spell shecker , lsusb
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14:37<kitallis>ls /usr/lib/jvm/
14:37<kitallis>default-java java-1.5.0-gcj-4.4 java-1.6.0-openjdk java-6-openjdk java-6-sun java-6-sun-
14:37<kitallis>gives me that. tools.jar is located in java-1.5.0-gcj
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14:38<kitallis>but update-alternatives doesn't have the option to select that.
14:38<jaimesilva>kitallis: try with update-java-alternatives
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14:39<prock>Dpkg -l | veep wpa returns nothing
14:39<dpkg>ii | veep wpa returns nothing 1.6-2.1 prock's private porn collection
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14:40<prock>When I do dpkg -l | grep wpa it returns nothing
14:40<kitallis>jaimesilva: it doesn't list it.
14:40<kitallis>update-java-alternatives -l
14:40<kitallis>java-6-openjdk 1061 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk
14:40<kitallis>java-6-sun 63 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun
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14:40<jaimesilva>prock: then you are in trouble, you must use a full install image instead of a netinstall
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14:43<prock>What's the link for the full install, is it a DVD, and it needs to be only one cause my laptop has no cd drive, I'm installing with USB stick
14:43<jaimesilva>kitallis: are you using the official ant package?
14:43<cahoot>prock: the first cd
14:43<kitallis>jaimesilva: yeah
14:43<jordanm>!tell prock about usb install
14:43<kitallis>you mean the apt-get package right?
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14:44<kitallis>although, I should be able to map ant to the correct openjdk/sun tools.jar
14:45<kitallis>instead of the default directory
14:45<jordanm>,files tools.jar
14:45<jordanm>,file tools.jar
14:45<jaimesilva>kitallis: try with update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun
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14:46<jordanm>kitallis: do you have the sun jdk installed, or just the jre?
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14:47<__neil__>kitallis: maybe you want sun-java6-*
14:47<jaimesilva>I was about to ask the same, try with apt-get install sun-java6-jdk
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14:48<kitallis>I guess not, I just have the jre it seems
14:48<jaimesilva>can someone tell prock where how to make a full install from a usb stick?
14:48<jordanm>!tell prock about usb install
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14:49<prock>The only USB stick is 8gb that should work write?
14:49<jaimesilva>prock: it seems that there is only netinst for usb, you will have to find a place where you can connect by cable (ethernet)
14:50<thewanderer1>eh, you can copy a DVD image to USB...
14:50<prock>I can use my iPhone to download an iso file, when I did have windows I hade software to read the root of the fs, how can I do it with Linux
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14:51<jordanm>netinst does not require a connection for installation. however, the usb install does not have that limitation, only "the easy method" listed
14:51<jordanm>prock: I would ask #apple about that
14:51<jaimesilva>prock: you can use dd to copy the image to your usb stick
14:52<prock>Apple will not answer that, my phone is jailbroken, that is the only way to do that
14:52<jaimesilva>jordanm: prock can install the base system but can't access wifi because it doesn't have wpasupplicant nor the wifi firmware
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14:53<jordanm>jaimesilva: WPA is lacking, but the firmware can be installed via a USB, or he can use the kmuto installer
14:54<jaimesilva>I have never been able to make a netinst with wifi, I think the netinst image should have the firmware and all the wifi stuff included
14:56<thewanderer1>Squeeze installer doesn't have *any* non-free firmware included - those are opposite development goals
14:56<jordanm>jaimesilva: see the various -devel discussions, and the DFSG for why our kernel is free of non-free firmware
14:56<jaimesilva>and that's why everyone is going to Ubuntu
14:57<abrotman>!installer firmware
14:57<dpkg>Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See and . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see . See also <firmware images>.
14:58<abrotman>it still won't support WPA
14:58<devil>jaimesilva: let them go, if they care just for the 'free as in free beer' part
14:59<thewanderer1>abrotman: what is the reason behind not supporting WPA?
14:59<thewanderer1>(looks like I missed some part)
14:59<abrotman>FIIK, ask the devs .. i just know it does'nt do it
14:59<jaimesilva>well at least wpasupplicant should be included so it can be possible to install if you have one of the free firmware cards
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15:00<thewanderer1>I think migrating to LiveCD-based installers could be beneficial for netinst users
15:00<thewanderer1>at least they can easily contain network-manager and all that crap
15:00<jordanm>as an option, that could be nice. I prefer d-i just the way it is though
15:01<thewanderer1>doesn't Squeeze Live already have an installer?
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15:02<jordanm>thewanderer1: I had heard talk of it, but I never tried
15:02<jordanm>I recall they were working on it heavily at debconf
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15:03<Hydroxide>yeah, it should work now as I understand it
15:03<Hydroxide>I haven't tried it personally either
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15:04<jaimesilva>well prock I think you better give a try to it has instructions on how to put the image on a usb stick and I guess it will intall everything
15:05<abrotman>jaimesilva: wrong channel
15:05<Hydroxide>jaimesilva: this isn't the place to help people with ubuntu
15:06<Hydroxide>jaimesilva: we can help people install Debian from a USB stick - easier than you might think - or you can give that kind of assistance in #ubuntu on (Freenode)
15:06<jaimesilva>Well I just say he needs his laptop working and only has wifi access and is seems the Debian installer doesn't work under that conditions so he must try other distro
15:06<Hydroxide>jaimesilva: debian installer works fine via wifi.
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15:07<jaimesilva>ok, my bad, excuse me please
15:07<Hydroxide>jaimesilva: if it's WPA-based you may need to use an unofficial copy from but otherwise the official one works, and either way it installs debian
15:07<jaimesilva>then I also need to learn how to do it
15:07<Hydroxide>the usual method works fine for wifi just like for any wired method
15:07<prock>I'm in a pardickement, my only USB stick is the net install for debian, and my laptop only has basesystem with no Internet and I don't have another computer, but I do have an iPhone that can download any type of file and share over 192.168.1.*
15:08<Hydroxide>prock: do you know what kind of wireless chipset you have?
15:08<Hydroxide>prock: if not, you should be able to tell by running lspci from the debian install
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15:10<Hydroxide>prock: that will show you a bunch of other things as well, like what video chip and what wired networking chip you have, but the wireless should be there too
15:11<Hydroxide>prock, jaimesilva: the main gotcha is about wireless chipsets that need non-free firmware, but debian's installer supports loading that firmware at install time if it's made available during the install - yes this is actually documented in the manual :) for squeeze there will be unofficial install images produced by the official cd team with that firmware included, but it's easy to provide as well
15:11<ani>gnome : Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.30+7) but it is not going to be installed; what i got while trying to install gnome
15:12<Hydroxide>ani: are you running sid, squeeze, or lenny?
15:12<ani>i am using sid with exprimental repos
15:12<ani>but i don't did dist-upgrade or upgrade
15:13<devil>ani: if running unstable, you should dist-upgrade regularly
15:13<Hydroxide>ani: well that kind of thing happens sometimes in sid, especially with experimental repositories
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15:13<jaimesilva>Hydroxide: but what happends if his access point uses wpa?
15:13<devil>and gnome in unstable is hwat it is: often unstable
15:14<Hydroxide>jaimesilva: I answered that early on - you need to use an unofficial copy of d-i from (that will probably be officially supported in squeeze+1)
15:15<jaimesilva>Hydroxide: I think is better if prock uses a full install image instead
15:15<Hydroxide>jaimesilva: a full debian installer image could also work, yes, though the unofficial image still installs debian and is made by a debian developer
15:16<Hydroxide>jaimesilva: the full image wouldn't need to access the network for any packages
15:16<ani>ok that no problem for me, i am using openbox and i am quite happy about it.
15:16<jaimesilva>Hydroxide: and where can one find those unofficial images?
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15:17<devil>ani: still you should keep sid rolling.
15:17<jordanm>!tell jaimesilva about kmuto
15:17<Hydroxide>jaimesilva: sorry, my fault: - that was from memory
15:17<devil>ani: thats the only way to prevent problems when installing apps in the lpng run
15:17<Hydroxide>jaimesilva: although those are lenny images, not squeeze
15:18<ani>devil, ok but i need better speed actually, im on dialup :| , speed 5-6kbps
15:18<jaimesilva>Hydroxide: I think that after having network working you can always upgrade to the version you want
15:18<devil>ani: you can do daily dist-upgrades, that helps a bit
15:18<Hydroxide>jaimesilva: indeed. (do follow the release notes for upgrading between lenny and squeeze, just like any other upgrade)
15:18<ani>i am doing atm
15:18<devil>ani: or ust dont install extra stuff
15:19<Hydroxide>ani: there are probably also services you can subscribe to that will mail you periodic snapshots of sid. what country are you in?
15:19<ani>ya i dont did to make it small
15:19<ani>Hydroxide, in India
15:20<Hydroxide>ani: take a look at these:
15:20<Hydroxide>ani: I don't know what their exact offerings are, but maybe they offer this service
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15:21<Hydroxide>ani: if not, it'd be a good idea to suggest it to them, or maybe see if there's a LUG near you that can arrange something
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15:21<Hydroxide>ani: that option would also get you a local community, which is even better :)
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15:27<Hydroxide>prock: I need to head away from the computer now, but someone will help you here I'm sure
15:27<Hydroxide>good luck
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15:28<prock>If there is a way to use openssh through the iPhone cable, I can do what I need to do
15:28<prock>With the iso
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15:31<jaimesilva>prock: Can you connect your iPhone by usb to the laptop and transfer the file?
15:32<prock>That's what I'm wondering how todo
15:33<prock>Why do I have a wlan0 and wmaster0
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15:33<jaimesilva>I don't know a think about iphones, can it be put in file transfer mode to work like a usb stick?
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15:34<prock>Dhclient wlan0 starts using wmaster0, it does not have wireless extensions but the wlan0 does
15:35<prock>My iPhone caps the first letter,
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15:46<jaimesilva>prock: I have to go, the best think you can do is find where to connect by ethernet so you can install what you need for wifi
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16:28<bighornram>greetings.. I'm having difficulty running a script after ppp makes it's vpn connection to change the default routing. I'm using lenny cli, I've put a script in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ chmod +x but doesn't seem to run. Is this the correct place for the script, am I missing a step?
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16:36<prock_>I did the zcat to make the USB stick installer, I've installed off of it, but now I want to mount it to add files to it, and it mounts with no free space, what can I do
16:36<abrotman>what do you want to add ?
16:36<prock_>Another iso file
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16:38<prock_>Well some files extracted from an iso, going to modify the boot record so I can choose to boot ither distro
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16:38<prock_>System rescue cd Or debian installer
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16:39<majkel>I run a virtual Debian 5 server with no HD space, only RAM. Anyone know of a way (or source) on how to calculate memory requirements in this setting? I run Tomcat 6.
16:39<prock_>Why does it mount with no free space, but I can edit files with nano
16:39<devil_>prock_: you should have said so before. you would have needed to do an extra partition
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16:41<prock_>I have the iso's but not the file to use zcat with, and I'm not good at installing LILO
16:41<prock_>I've only got one USB stick
16:42<prock_>Nor am I good at formatting or partitioning with out a GUI
16:42<abrotman>you're mounting an iso?
16:45<prock_>I want to remake the system rescue cd so I can have Internet and download the full install DVD instead of the netinstall , then remake the debian USB installer
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16:46<prock_>I don't have Internet on the computer, I'm talking to you with an iPhone , I have a external hdd with the iso of system rescue cd
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16:50<abrotman>wouldn't you rather fix your internet ?
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17:50<Mr_Queue>abrotman: Maybe he's just moved?
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17:50<Mr_Queue>I've been burned as such before. Comcast was unavaiable for a few weeks. With a problem at the tap.
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17:52<prock>Well I fraged up this time
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17:54<prock>I wad tring to redo the mbr , and I mess up my harddrive , used the wrong drive letter, and mess up my USB stick, so now nothing is bootable
17:55<prock>Might as well frag up the phone too, the way I'm feeling right now, lol
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17:58<thewanderer1>if you didn't actually remove the whole MBR, but only the bootloader entry, not much is lost
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18:00<devil_>what is the easiest way to limit a user to just scp to a dir in his /home?
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18:01<thewanderer1>restricting to /home might not be easy
18:02<thewanderer1>chrooting ssh logins is tricky
18:02<devil_>ah, forgot about scponly, thxx
18:02<devil_>thewanderer1: yeah, i was reading about that
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18:07<delelectro>chrooting ftp logins is easy but i d'ont found for ssh
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18:09<devil_>nah, there is no ftp on that server, but scponly is exactly what i was looking for.
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18:21<fralle>somebody knows how to stop amsn focusing chat windows on messages?
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18:25<mike-w>what do init:unreadahead main process423 terminated with status 5 mean?
18:25<mike-w>anything goes wrong
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18:26<mike-w>anyone online?
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18:30<mike-w>why are you so silent
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18:31<thewanderer1>just timid
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18:32<thewanderer1>so... Ubuntu channel is at #ubuntu on
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18:34<mike-w>where are you?
18:34<mike-w>are you all sleeping??
18:34<thewanderer1>there →
18:34<thewanderer1>← or maybe there
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18:35<mike-w>anyone that can help me?
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18:36<jhutchins_lt>mike-w: This channel's most active during workdays and early evening in europe.
18:36<thewanderer1>this is the Debian support channel, please take Ubuntu problems to #ubuntu
18:36<mike-w>in #ubuntu
18:36<mike-w>there are 6 people in total
18:37<thewanderer1>the official Ubuntu channel is on
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18:37<mike-w>i 'll try
18:37<jhutchins_lt>thewanderer1: What gave him away?
18:37<thewanderer1>jhutchins_lt: "unreadahead"
18:38<jhutchins_lt>Thought that might be it.
18:40<babilen>jhutchins_lt: /version NICK
18:40<babilen>err, /dcc version that is
18:41<babilen>or not - gah!
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18:48<jhutchins_lt>,versions irssi
18:48<judd>Package irssi on i386 -- etch: 0.8.10-3; etch-backports: 0.8.12-7~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.8.12-7; lenny-backports: 0.8.15-1~bpo50+1; sid: 0.8.15-2; squeeze: 0.8.15-2
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18:52<akx>servidor -m
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19:19<heinzes>On 'mysql -uroot -p' I get 'ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' on a 2,3 weeks old install of squeeze; mysql-server is installed, mysqld running, checked password multiple times. how can I access db using cli?
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19:39<abrotman>heinzes: did you flush/remove permissoins ?
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19:41<heinzes>abrotman: no. I did install mysql-server, which asked to set a mysql root-pw. afterwards I tried the mysql cli-tools
19:42<heinzes>do I need to flush permissions after installing? isn't that done by dpkg/script if necessary?
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19:47<KeithWard>heinzes: if you set a root password, and your now unable to get in you'll need to reset it, question: do you have data you need on there?
19:48<KeithWard>in mysql itself
19:49<KeithWard>anyways, try restarting the mysql daemon, if you still can't get in , follow this:
19:49<KeithWard>it'll let you reset the mysql root user password
19:49<heinzes>KeithWard: I did set a root password, and I set it multiple times (dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.1), but access is always denied. And no, there's no data, but I'd like to be able to access it, if I put data in
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19:50<KeithWard>kk, in that case just follow the instructions in the link above
19:50<heinzes>ok, thanks for the link
19:50<heinzes>btw restarting mysqld did not help
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20:03<nutterpc>whats the best way for me to compile my fixed dsdt in to the klernel?
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20:06<heinzes>uhmm, I cannot work, because there's only one user 'debian-sys-maint', and no 'root' user. but why I'm asked to set a mysql root password on installing the mysql-server-5.1 package?
20:07<nutterpc>because programs like that require a root password for when you need to do maintenance
20:07<nutterpc>or install things
20:07<nutterpc>and the such
20:07<nutterpc>hence why it asks for one
20:08<heinzes>nutterpc: if there is not mysql-user 'root' what is the password for?
20:08<nutterpc>as i just mentioned
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20:09<heinzes>nutterpc: I don't understand, could you explain?
20:10<ompaul>heinzes: you can't have one without the other :) the "DBA" on mysql is called root
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20:11<nutterpc>if you install a program like mysql, to perform any kind of configuration/maintenance on the databases, you will need that password
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20:11<nutterpc>kinda like if i gave u a beer bottle
20:11<heinzes>ompaul: but the DBA does not have a user account in the mysql-user table?
20:11<nutterpc>your first instinct is to think is there anything in it, i cant do anythin with it otherwise
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20:13<ompaul>heinzes: the mysql db has a dba called root which != root on the box but could do
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20:14<ompaul>nutterpc: anything I read about DSDT is to stay away from it or make sure you have the actual correct custom one, documentation is sparce
20:14<heinzes>ompaul: yes, mysql root != debian root, I know. I'm wondering how I can connect to the db using the mysql cli tool, if the password does not belong to the mysql-root account
20:15<nutterpc>ompaul, ive gone thru and fixed mine
20:15<ompaul>nutterpc: check this out
20:15<nutterpc>hence tryin to recompile it into the kernel
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20:16<ompaul>heinzes: you set that password for the dba you add users who then run their own DBs then that user can grant less access to the person below if needs be
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20:18<heinzes>ompaul: ok. but how can I even connect to my db? 'mysql -uroot -p' only gives me access denied.
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20:20<ompaul>heinzes: is there a DB running on the box?
20:20<ompaul>heinzes: when you installed it did you give it a password
20:21<heinzes>ompaul: I just installed mysql-server; on install it asked to set a mysql root pw. nothing else is in there
20:21<ompaul>ps auwx | grep mysq << does that return anything?
20:23<heinzes>yes, 4 processes: mysqld_safe, mysqld, 'logger -t mysqld' and 'grep mysq'
20:23<ompaul>heinzes: so now you have a server running and what tool do you want to connect to the database?
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20:23<heinzes>mysql command line tool
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20:25<ompaul>heinzes: just for fun put a space beihind the -u and before roo
20:26<heinzes>did that before, no change
20:26<ompaul>heinzes: you are not supposed to put a space after the -p
20:27<icebrain>ompaul: that's irrelevant, the shell doesn't pass them to the program
20:27<heinzes>it askes me for the password, I enter the one I used at install time, and then I get access denied
20:27<ompaul>icebrain: it does :) I know from a test
20:28<icebrain>ompaul: how?
20:28<ompaul>I just did it and blinked
20:28<ompaul>or else I did a bad password and I don't think so
20:29<ompaul>icebrain: I'm going stupid at 1:28 am
20:29<ompaul>your right - I'm very much wrong about that
20:29<ompaul>heinzes: eh, if you use the "right password" you do get in
20:30<ompaul>heinzes: can you paste the exact error when you try to log in?
20:30<ompaul>heinzes: only one line
20:30<heinzes>ompaul: but what is the right password? I used the one I entered on install; also: there is not root user in the mysql-user table, could this be the reason?
20:31<heinzes>the error is: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
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20:31<ompaul>,34014,46593 exactly that problem
20:31<ompaul>change your password
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20:32<ompaul>youve got it wrong
20:32<heinzes>yes, but there is _no_ root in the user table, so I get 'Query OK, 0 rows affected', i.e. nothing changed
20:33<heinzes>what did I get wrong?
20:34<ompaul>heinzes: question how are you connected to the server?
20:34<heinzes>ompaul: server in on localhost
20:34<bst>heinzes: view
20:35<heinzes>but on UPDATE user SET password=PASSWORD("ualue=42") WHERE user="root"; I get 'Query OK, 0 rows affected', because there is no root user in this table
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20:36<ompaul>heinzes: so do this apt-get remove --purge mysql-server and then make sure /etc/mysql is missing then start again
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20:37<ompaul>heinzes: you would have apt-get removed and reinstalled many times for the lenght of time you are asking here :)
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20:37<ompaul>heinzes: and regretfully I am off to bed I can't stay awake itis almost 1:38am local
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20:39<gruetzkopf>its 2:39 here
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20:42<sidfan>can anyone help with installing a browser?
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20:46<sidfan>i have a plugin that doesn't work,, which doesn't work?
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20:49<abrotman>which version of debian ?
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20:59<sidfan>abrotman: squeeze
20:59<abrotman>judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree
20:59<judd>Package flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3
20:59<abrotman>it's already in squeeze .. just use the package
21:00<sidfan>it's not in swiftfox which i'm trying'
21:00<sidfan>icweasel works but it's 3.5
21:02<abrotman>there's no swiftfox in Debian .. no clue, ask them
21:02<sidfan>what kind of file is
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21:03<abrotman>you tell us .. no clue where you got it from
21:04<abrotman>why not just use the flash package already in Debian? and the browser alreadyin Debian ?
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21:05<sidfan>i do but want to try more up to date ver.
21:05*monochrome is using the 64bit flash beta with iceweasel
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21:06<abrotman>okay, ask them how to make flash work, or check their docs .. It works in the Debian browsers
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21:21<sidfan>this channel isn't too helpful, is it? no one offers to help and when someone responds, you get attitude :(
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21:23<abrotman>sidfan: this channel is for Debian support, your debian plugin and browser are working
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21:26<s3a>when doing resize2fs -P /dev/mapper/debian-home and it gives the minimum size, what are the units? I don't see it in the man pages
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21:32<Praxis>My buddy did this from his squeeze install trying to make his Lenny fstab writable: "nucleus): Before it occurred to me that there were other, more subtle ways of going about it, I did a chmod -R 777 on Lenny's /etc. Should I change it back to something, or is that not important?" I told him to change everything back to only /root writeable with "chmod -R go-w /etc" and I sent him the output of "ls -l /etc" on my Lenny box.
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21:33<Praxis>My question is how can I use "find" to give him a list of all my permissions in all subdirectories of /etc, or do you think it will not cause problems for him to have all files in /etc executable by group and others?
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21:39<Praxis>Or can ls display subdirectories?
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21:40<abrotman>Praxis: find -type d -exec ls {} \; ... or something like that ?
21:40<abrotman>erm .. find /etc/
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21:41<Praxis>Let me play around with it abrotman
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21:44<Praxis>Doesn't seem to be displaying the permissions, at least not how I parsed it.
21:46<abrotman>oh ... ls -l {} \; .. sorry
21:47*abrotman has been up now for way too long
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21:49<Praxis>I haven't been up all that long, I'm just line of dense: $ ls -l {} \; ls: cannot access {}: No such file or directory
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21:51<abrotman>works fine here
21:51<abrotman>i think
21:51<abrotman>it would be -ld .. but anyway
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21:52<Praxis>Never mind, I sorted it: I forgot to add the find bit: /etc $ find /etc -type d -exec ls -l {} \;
21:52<Praxis>Thanks abrotman
21:53<abrotman>you want -ld
21:54<Praxis>OK, I'll try again
21:56<Praxis>Beautiful, perfect, I hope it helps my buddy sort it out.
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22:25<Khaatio>i from japan
22:25<Khaatio>i can't english
22:25<dpkg>from memory, jp is Japan
22:25<Khaatio>i from japan
22:26<abrotman>so you said
22:26<sney>maybe kmuto could help him
22:26<abrotman>i don't speak japanese ..
22:26<abrotman>there is one person in #debian-japanese
22:27<abrotman>if he's awake
22:27<abrotman>or she
22:27<Khaatio>she is afk
22:29<Khaatio>me want squeeze
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22:29<Khaatio>when squeeze will be released
22:29<dpkg>Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>, most likely in the first half of 2011. See and . See also <guess the release date>.
22:30<sney>soon, but we do not know when for sure
22:30<sney>frozen = no new software, only bug fixes
22:30<Khaatio>i sea
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23:00<abrotman>english ?
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