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---Logopened Mon Jan 10 00:00:17 2011
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00:03<sney>monochrome: grub-pc is installed by default in squeeze
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00:04<sney>judd: versions grub-pc
00:04<judd>Package grub-pc on i386 -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-11; sid: 1.98+20100804-13; experimental: 1.99~20110106-1
00:05<monochrome>i had to mess with grub.cfg to get that nice little console font back after installing the nvidia drivers
00:05<monochrome>now its green, thats fine
00:05<monochrome>gfx_payload or something
00:05<monochrome>i forget
00:05<monochrome>i dont really care that much
00:06<monochrome>theres no config function for it afaik so it gets blown away
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00:07<sney>yeah, the major downside about grub-pc is that it's nowhere near as well documented as grub-legacy
00:08<monochrome>i'm a debian n00b so its all very exciting
00:09<sney>oh, welcome to the fun
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00:09<monochrome>what happens to this beta2 or whatever on release day?
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00:09<monochrome>i assume i should reinstall
00:10<sney>if you're already using squeeze, you don't need to change anything
00:10<sney>just update as usual and you're running the new stable release
00:10<monochrome>bonus
00:11<monochrome>i just put this machine together and switched to debian, didnt feel like staring at it
00:12<monochrome>my first 64bit machine :)
00:12<monochrome>maybe one of the first heh, athlon 64 3000+
00:12<sney>my current debian desktop has an athlon x2 6000+ and 6GB
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00:13<monochrome>no i had lenny running on the old ultra sparc 5 if that counts
00:13<sney>only because I had the hardware lying around
00:13<sney>oh nice, ultrasparc
00:13<sney>I used to have a lot of sun hardware but I left it all behind when I moved a few years back
00:13<monochrome>yeah i have some boat anchors
00:13<sney>the ultra2 was probably my favorite because it was weird
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00:14<monochrome>1 ss5, 2 ss20's, an ultra 5 and an ultra 10 (same)
00:14<monochrome>some fancy graphics card in the ultra 10
00:15<monochrome>heh now its worth like $5
00:15<monochrome>shit like those ss20's, dual processor were like $20k
00:16<sney>yeah
00:16<monochrome>i like to collect things i worked on in the past
00:16<sney>my ss20 had 9 NICs
00:17<monochrome>lol
00:17<sney>1 builtin and 2 QFEs I found in a decommission bin at work
00:17<monochrome>wtf
00:17<monochrome>i never saw that
00:17<sney>I was going to turn it into a router but never got around to it
00:17<monochrome>yeah mine came from the pratt & whitney liquidation store
00:18<monochrome>my firewall is the ultra5 with openbsd
00:18<monochrome>the exzternal one
00:19<monochrome>it's great fun
00:19<sney>yeah, I don't care for the u5/10
00:19<sney>sold mine
00:19<monochrome>lol yeah thats the PC sparc
00:19<monochrome>ide and stuff
00:19<sney>ata/33
00:19<sney>:(
00:19<monochrome>still quick as a router though
00:19<monochrome>2 100M cards, fine for a cable modem
00:19<sney>yeah
00:20<monochrome>an ss20 would too though i bet
00:21<monochrome>i only have 10M on those though, theyre put to pasture
00:21<monochrome>the ss5 is set up as an emergency firewall
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00:23<monochrome>heh its sad, the last thing that runs reasonably SMP on the ss20's is solaris 8
00:24<monochrome>whats the point of installing something on it and not use both cpus
00:24<sney>yeah, supersparc is the definition of obsolete
00:24<monochrome>:?
00:24<monochrome>:/
00:24<monochrome>museum status i guess
00:25<monochrome>i had one as my web server and running seti@home until just a few years ago on solaris 8
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00:56<prem>for a shock suddenly my keyboard and mouse stops workign in squeeze
00:56<prem>it is a hp por 3090 desktop.,installtion of squeeze was fine
00:56<prem>and it was working for past 1 week without any trouble
00:57<prem>suddenly today morning it stoped detcting the mouse and keyboard at login screen
00:57<jm_>can you connect to it from some other system?
00:59<prem>no.,thats a standalone jm_
00:59<prem>am not able to get any logs or anything.,thats th worst case
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01:36<lolhax>hi :D
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01:37<lolhax>anyone there?
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01:38<lolhax>okay then
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02:07<vagvaf>hello, i just installed debian testing (migrating from ubuntu). do i have to install some additional packages for empathy to include more protocols? right now it only has jabber, facebook, google talk and "people nearby". thank you
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02:20<jm_>vagvaf: do you have recommended packages installed? how about suggested?
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02:22<cpatrick2008>i installed squeeze from the beta 2 CD and i cant run the software-sources i type in my password and it tries to generate rights and then it goes away but does not load the software-sources
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02:24<zem>hmm... there is an invisible, unclicable window on my desktop...
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02:38<bst>cpatrick2008: do you use aptitude, apt-get, ... do you change sources.list ...
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02:39<cpatrick2008> /join #linuxmint-debian
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02:42<cpatrick2008> i installed squeeze from the beta 2 CD and i cant run the software-sources i type in my password and it tries to generate rights and then it goes away but does not load the software-sources
02:42<bst>cpatrick2008: do you use aptitude, apt-get, ... do you change sources.list ...
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02:45<cpatrick2008>i have used aptitude and apt-get but before i did that i tried to load it and it did not load
02:46<bst>cpatrick2008: do you change your sources.list?
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02:47<cpatrick2008>yes i just added the debian multimedia one
02:48<cpatrick2008>here is my souces.list http://pastebin.com/0FiL91uj
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02:54<cpatrick2008>@bst here is my souces.list http://pastebin.com/0FiL91uj
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03:45<sameerynho>hi there, is there any document about how to make a software, debian official software?
03:46<streuner__>!mentors
03:46<dpkg>somebody said mentors was the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org.
03:46<streuner__>dpkg, listkeys mentor
03:46<dpkg>Factoid search of 'mentor' by key (7): mentors ;; _default mentorgender ;; _default mentors ;; #debian mentors ;; mentor ;; #debian mentorgender ;; _default mentor.
03:46<streuner__>sameerynho: /msg dpkg nmg
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03:48<sameerynho>streuner__: i already read that document
03:48<sameerynho>streuner__: but my question is about something else :)
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03:50<streuner__>sameerynho: /j #debian-mentors?
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03:51<streuner__>#debian-mentors 138 Get help creating your own packages for the Debian archive | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq | Sponsoree repository: mentors.debian.net | Thanks for being friendly and helpful.
03:51<sameerynho>streuner__: thank man
03:51<sameerynho>;)
03:52<streuner__>np
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04:26<hide>Hello everyone. Is there any way to invoke the debian-installer's partition manager after the installation / when the system is running?
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04:45<classical> hey ppl i cant access my usb flash drive i can see it in lsusb but gparted can't detect it any suggestions ? :)
04:46<cthuluh>try with fdisk -l /dev/yourdisk
04:46<jm_>does it show up in /proc/partitions?
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04:51<classical>cthuluh, it is not in fdisk nor in partitions jm_
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04:52<classical>here is dmsg
04:52<classical>http://pastebin.com/25x31q1G
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04:52<jm_>yeah there's an error in there
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04:56<babilen>classical: What kind of flash drive is that? Which filesystem does it use? Have you created the partitiions yourself? What does "fdisk -l /dev/sda" give you?
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04:59<classical>babilen, its a kingston datatravek 410 as i know there is fat32 and yes i have created partions by myself coz it has some problems i have formated it to ext3 and than to fat32 as i remember
04:59<ottoshmidt>is Arial font commonly included in all gnu/linux distribution installations?
04:59<home-alone>hi . I removed TORCS . buy apt-get remove torcs . but only 1mb is free by doing this game is actully 283 mb . how to un-install all files with game
04:59<classical>babilen, fdisk -l /dev/sda gives nothing
05:00<ottoshmidt>home-alone, apt-get purge?
05:00<babilen>ottoshmidt: No, but Arial is available in the package ttf-mscorefonts-installer
05:01<babilen>,info ttf-mscorefonts-installer --release=squeeze
05:01<judd>Package ttf-mscorefonts-installer (contrib/fonts, optional) in squeeze/i386: Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts. Version: 3.3; Size: 34.8k; Installed: 200k
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05:02<home-alone>apt-get purge ...?? thanks but I had to use autoremove
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05:02<babilen>classical: What is the output of "file -s /dev/sda" ?
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05:03<hide>Does Squeeze installer partitioner support Advanced Format drives?
05:03<babilen>hide: What are advanced format drives?
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05:05<classical>babilen, /dev/sda: empty
05:05<jm_>home-alone: torcs-data* are the big packages
05:06<ottoshmidt>babilen, is there a font that is usually common on gnu/linux and windows OSs?
05:09<babilen>ottoshmidt: What do you need that font for?
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05:10<jm_>heh that's an interesting one - I doubt squeeze already includes stuff to deal with 4k sector drives
05:10<ottoshmidt>babilen, nvm
05:11<babilen>classical: That does not really look good -- Does the drive work on other computers or other USB slots? I would try that in order to rule out hardware problems. I would further try to partition that drive again or try it out with a newer kernel (you can try a live cd (e.g. debian live or grml)) to see if it is related to some new hardware features that are not yet supported in your kernel.
05:12<Arrowmaster>jm_: i thought i heard the underlying tools it uses do now so it should
05:12<babilen>ottoshmidt: ok, I've just asked because I would recommend different ones for "a font for printing" and "a font for viewing webpages" -- but well, have a nice day
05:12<babilen>classical: I'll have to go, sorry. Good luck with it!
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05:13<ottoshmidt>babilen, it go off-topic for debian and..
05:13<ottoshmidt>thanks
05:13<ottoshmidt>*it would go
05:13<jm_>Arrowmaster: yes, but does it include recetn enough versions?
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05:13<Arrowmaster>from what ive heard yes
05:14<jm_>yeah at least util-linux is good, nice
05:15<jm_>parted too
05:16<babilen>ottoshmidt: well, I wouldn't mind that given that the channel is not really busy and it is still on-topic in the sense of "how to get Debian to do XXX", but ok. I'll have to go now anyway. Have a nice day!
05:17<ottoshmidt>babilen, you too.
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05:18<mikeok>sup
05:18<mikeok>hi
05:18<mercurymarty>buon giorno
05:18<mikeok>princi pessa
05:19<jm_>!tell mercurymarty -about it
05:19<classical>babilen, it does not work on other machines even and i cant manage to format it :(
05:19<classical>babilen, ok thanks a lot :)
05:19<mercurymarty>good bye
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05:26<hide>babilen: Advanced Format drives are those with 4K clustersize or so
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06:19<darkhawk>lin: /quit
06:20<lin>thank you
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06:44<dierwechter>hello can please someone help me ?
06:44<dierwechter>:)
06:45<dierwechter>i try to compile someting but get this error all the time /usr/include/libxml2/libxml/xmlmemory.h:16:31: error: libxml/xmlversion.h: No such file
06:45<dierwechter>or directory
06:45<dierwechter>ups
06:45<dierwechter>sorry
06:46<dierwechter>what i can do ? :)
06:46<mikegrb>try installing the package: libxml2-dev
06:46<dierwechter>is
06:47<dierwechter>allready
06:47<mikegrb>ahh
06:47<dierwechter>so what i can be :(
06:47<jm_>libxml2-dev would require a different include
06:47<dierwechter>?
06:47<jm_>or -I switch or whatever
06:47<dierwechter>so how to do ?
06:47<dierwechter>please
06:48<dierwechter>i googled all day yesterday but cant find help
06:49<jm_>I already said it - adjust include directive or add appropriate -I switch
06:49<dierwechter>the include directiv in my programm right ?
06:50<dierwechter>how i can add a -i switch please explain me i am not a profi but i can handel a root ..
06:50<mentor>What are you trying to compile?
06:50<dierwechter>a module for anope
06:50<jm_>gcc ...-I/usr/include/libxml2 ...
06:52<mentor>dierwechter: Does it come with a ./configure?
06:53<dierwechter>no is just like make install
06:53<dierwechter>but i include the 2 files in the module
06:53<dierwechter>xmlmemory and parser
06:54<dierwechter>but why o got a error that the file is not there if the file ist there
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06:55<mentor>dierwechter: It isn't there, because the compiler hasn't been told where to look for them
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06:56<dierwechter>so how can i fix this ?
06:56<dierwechter>please tell me
06:56<dierwechter>:)
06:57<mentor>dierwechter: As explained above you need to add an -I/i option
06:57<dierwechter>in the module or in the dev package
06:57<dierwechter>?
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06:57<mentor>dierwechter: For the compiler
06:57<dierwechter>of the dev package right ?
06:58<mentor>...?
06:58<mentor>dierwechter: The -I/i options are explained in the GCC documentation
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06:59<dierwechter>but i installed using apt-get the xml dev so it should be automatic no ?
06:59<jm_>you probably need to do it in the makefile
06:59<jm_>only if it's correctly specified in the Makefile
06:59<mentor>dierwechter: Installing a package won't modify arbitrary source code your are compiling.
06:59<rjcks>dierwechter: is /usr/include/libxml2/libxml/xmlversion.h actually there?
06:59<dierwechter>yes
07:00<dierwechter>so this i why i dont understand ..
07:00<dierwechter>what else can i try ? :)
07:01<mentor>dierwechter: Have you even bothered looking up the things we've pointed you at?
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07:01<dierwechter>mentor so i need to download the package dev manualy rigt ?
07:01<dierwechter>an then using gcc
07:02<mentor>dierwechter: ...
07:02<mentor>dierwechter: I don't believe I've even remotely implied that
07:02<dierwechter>sorry mentor please explain me step by step i you would
07:03<mentor>"<jm_> or -I switch or whatever"
07:03<mentor>"<jm_> I already said it - adjust include directive or add appropriate -I switch"
07:03<mentor>"<mentor> dierwechter: As explained above you need to add an -I/i option"
07:04<mentor>dierwechter: Step by step explanations generally incur a consulting fee
07:04<dierwechter>but include directiv in where ? in my anope module or in the dev package
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07:05<mentor>dierwechter: For the compiler
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07:05<dierwechter>compiler of ?
07:05<dierwechter>-_-
07:05<dierwechter>:)
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07:06<mentor>dierwechter: What do you think?
07:06<dierwechter>so 1. i need to manualy download the dev right ?
07:06<dierwechter>2. install using this optin gcc ?
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07:07<osc>hi
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07:09<osc>guys, i am trying to build a custom debian install disk... but i am running into undocumented problems with debmirror and simple-cdd alike. am i just unskilled or is there a obvious way that i dont see?
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07:10<dierwechter>so can please someone explain me how to do it ?
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07:10<osc>no?
07:10<osc>just a direction?
07:10<jm_>dierwechter: I already said - edit the Makefile and add it there
07:10<nadir>try live-helper.
07:10<osc>ah
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07:11<nadir>got to forums-debian, how-to-section, and search for live.
07:11<nadir>lots of how-tos there.
07:11<nadir>ok?
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07:11<dierwechter>jm the makefile of the dev package right ?
07:11<osc>i'll look
07:11<nadir>else post back, i will find it fast.
07:12<jm_>dierwechter: no, of the anope module
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07:12<hide>Any ideas where can I set default make flags?
07:13<dierwechter>jm_ i include the file allready like #include "include/libxml2/libxml/xmlmemory.h
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07:13<dierwechter>is it not ok ?
07:14<jm_>dierwechter: no
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07:15<hide>:(
07:17<dierwechter>hmm
07:18<jm_>remove "include/" and try again
07:19<dierwechter>jm_ ? me ?
07:19<dierwechter>yes i try it
07:19<dierwechter>same erroro
07:19<dierwechter>error
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07:20<dierwechter>#include </usr/local/include/libxml2/libxml//xmlmemory.h>
07:20<dierwechter>this is the include
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07:21<jm_>are you even using debian?
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07:21<jm_>debian doesn't put xmlmemory.h there
07:22<dierwechter>debian lenny
07:22<jm_>well debian lenny doesn't come with a file /usr/local/include/libxml2/libxml//xmlmemory.h
07:22<dierwechter>o_O
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07:23<dierwechter>robot-lxb:/usr/local/include/libxml2/libxml#
07:24<babilen>,file libxml/xmlmemory.h
07:24<judd>libxml/xmlmemory.h in lenny/i386: libxml2-dev: usr/include/libxml2/libxml/xmlmemory.h; lsb-build-desktop3: usr/include/lsb3/libxml2/libxml/xmlmemory.h
07:24<jm_>we can't support stuff that's installed in /usr/local - we can only help you for stuff that's installed via debian packages
07:24<dierwechter>Entpacke libxml2-dev (aus .../libxml2-dev_2.6.32.dfsg-5+lenny3_i386.deb) ...
07:24<jm_>which is in /usr/include/...
07:24<dierwechter>i do apt-get install
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07:24<dierwechter> apt-get install libxml2-dev
07:24<dierwechter>right or not ?
07:25<prock>I did a USB install of the stable DVD , during setup it could not find my wireless, and now that the GUI is up and running it can't find the wifi, when I do ifconfig it shows the wireless hardware
07:25<babilen>dierwechter: It is obvious that somebody performed a manual installation to /usr/local -- You have to get rid of it or adjust your linker path accordingly if you want to use the libraries installed from libxml2-dev
07:25<jm_>you will need to add -I/usr/include/libxml2
07:26<jm_>and it will work, and fix that include
07:26<dierwechter>like apt-get install libxml2-dev -I/usr/include/libxml2
07:26<dierwechter>?
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07:26<jm_>no, you need to do this in the makefile
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07:26<babilen>no, what are you trying to do? I would suggest to (carefully) clean /usr/local from all things that you don't need (anymore?) because you have the it installed from Debian packages
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07:27<dierwechter>babilen can u tell me how please
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07:29<prock>I've used guides and have done every command from ifconfig to dhclient
07:30<babilen>dierwechter: Well, ask the person who installed the software to /usr/local to remove it or have a look at the content of /usr/local yourself and remove whatever is not needed anymore. Programs and libraries installed to /usr/local are the system administrators responsibility and intentionally not managed by the system's packaging system.
07:30<dierwechter>robot-lxb:/usr/local/include/libxml2/libxml#
07:30<gsimmons>prock: What wireless LAN device do you have?
07:30<prock>Is there a package I need to get for wireless
07:30<dierwechter>is this the rigth path ?
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07:31<prock>I don't have a LAN, it's wifi only, it's a hotspot
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07:32<dierwechter>i got also /usr/include/libxml2/libxml# dir
07:32<dierwechter>so why i got it 2 times ?
07:32<dierwechter>is this the error ?
07:33<babilen>prock: One second please -- If you want to start working on it yourself: Make sure that your device is supported and you have the firmware installed ("lspci -nn|grep -i network") → /msg judd pciid PCIID (PCIID == the alphanums in [] at the end e.g. [abcd:1234] → and read http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi (and HowToUse)
07:33<prock>!wireless
07:33<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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07:34<babilen>dierwechter: Yes, that is the error. You have the "normal" installation of the libraries from the libxml2-dev package in /usr/lib and a manual installation to /usr/local/lib
07:34<dierwechter>so how to remove please
07:34<dierwechter>:)
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07:35<dierwechter>just remove the folder ?
07:35<babilen>dierwechter: The problem is that I have no idea *why* you have a local installation and if you still need. I also don't know what else has been installed to /usr/local and what to keep. What kind of machine is this? Who is normally administering it?
07:35<prock>!atheros
07:35<dpkg>Atheros Communications is a developer of semiconductors. Ask me about <ath5k>, <ath9k> or <ar9170> for stable wireless LAN chipset drivers; <ar5523>, <ath9k_htc> or <carl9170> for wireless drivers under development. The non-free <madwifi> driver was removed from Debian post-Lenny. Ask me about <atl1>, <atl2>, <atl1e> or <atl1c> for Ethernet adapter drivers. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/Atheros
07:36<babilen>dierwechter: Yes, and removing everything libxml2 from /usr/local is *one* option. But I can't tell you if it is a good one.
07:36<dierwechter>he says he installed dev manualy an then per aptget
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07:37<prock>Help
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07:37<babilen>prock: Please paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" in here
07:38<prock>I took note of that command, have to wait till I can get to my computer
07:39<dierwechter>babilen if i remove the package per apt-get the folder robot-lxb:/usr/include/libxml2/libxml# is empty
07:39<dierwechter>normall ?
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07:40<jm_>yes
07:40<babilen>dierwechter: You could search for libxml2 in /usr/local (find /usr/local -path libxml2) and check what you want to remove
07:40<mentor>dierwechter: Removing a package removes its files, yes
07:40<babilen>dierwechter: Yes, that is normal. If you remove a package the files installed by that package are removed.
07:41<dierwechter>so the right folder is robot-lxb:/usr/include/libxml2/libxml# ?
07:41<babilen>yes
07:41<dierwechter>to install the dev package ?
07:41<babilen>the libxml2-dev package installs (some?) files to that location
07:42<babilen>http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/libxml2-dev/filelist
07:42<dierwechter>so i deinstall this
07:42<dierwechter>an install it again
07:43<dierwechter>same error .
07:43<babilen>no -- the libraries installed to /usr/local will still shadow the system ones
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07:43<jm_>hehe
07:43<jm_>error will persist until you fix compiler options
07:44<dierwechter>but jm_ .. please tell me how
07:44<dierwechter>please
07:44<jm_>dierwechter: I already have, 3 tiems by now
07:44<dierwechter>in anope there a no options
07:44<dierwechter>...
07:44<dierwechter>i can try what i whant error everytime
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07:44<jm_>you said you compile it with make, so it must have a makefile
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07:44<babilen>You have to either: 1. Remove everyhing related to libxml2 from /usr/local -- by using either "make uninstall" (if upstream ships that) or by removing it manually or 2. Adjust your Makefile to explicitly use the libraries in /usr/lib and/or /usr/include/libxml2
07:45<babilen>If I were you I would remove the manual installation in /usr/local
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07:47<babilen>dierwechter: verstanden?
07:47<dierwechter>i removed the folder now
07:47<dierwechter>and now install again per apt-get ?
07:48<babilen>dierwechter: yes (and check if everything is gone with: find /usr/local -path libxml2)
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07:49<babilen>or even: find /usr/local -path libxml
07:49<dierwechter>noting
07:49<dierwechter>:)
07:49<dierwechter>and now ? :)
07:49<babilen>keep on working
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07:50<babilen>Id est: Finally compile whatever you wanted to compile in the first place
07:51<dierwechter>include like #include "/include/libxml2/libxml/xmlmemory.h
07:52<jm_>once again, remove "/include/" from that
07:52<babilen>rather: #include <libxml/xmlmemory.h>
07:53<babilen>right, the libxml2 should be there
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07:54<babilen>anyway -- this is rather a ##c problem (at freenode) than a Debian one
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07:55<hide>How do I add my own script to system startup? (Runlevels 2, 3). Since Debian switched to dependency-based init.d scripts I got confused :(
07:57<dierwechter>babilen same error
07:57<babilen>dierwechter: What is the error you get?
07:58<dierwechter>in the xmlmemory.h
07:58<jm_>hide: you can do it the same way as before but you need to add some headers to your init script
07:58<babilen>dierwechter: What error do you get?
07:58<dierwechter>xmlmemory.h:16:31: error: libxml/xmlversion.h: No such file
07:58<dierwechter><dierwechter> or directory
07:58<jm_>dierwechter: that's because you need to add -I/usr/include/libxml2
07:58<babilen>jm_: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^666
07:58<hide>jm_: I just used to put a script in init.d directory and symlink it as S99<name> to rc2.d and rc3.d. Is this still correct? (plus the headers)
07:59<dierwechter>jm_ but i dont know where
07:59<dierwechter>and how ..\
07:59<dierwechter>please help me step by step
07:59<jm_>hide: it's enough to put it in /etc/init.d and insserv will create symlinks based on the headers
07:59<hide>Thanks!
07:59<jm_>!missing lsb tags
07:59<dpkg>From squeeze onwards, Debian is using a dependency-based boot sequence (see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian). This requires that all init scripts have appropriate headers in them so that the correct order of execution can be determined. Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from Sarge and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts
07:59<jm_>hide: ^^^^^^^
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08:01<dierwechter>jm_ can u tell me how i need to do this exactly
08:01<jm_>dierwechter: edit the makefile
08:02<dierwechter>in anope the are no such option
08:02<dierwechter>in the makefile is noting telling me xmlmemory.h
08:02<babilen>!tell hide about init script
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08:02<babilen>!tell hide about lsb tags
08:02<dierwechter>jm_ so wat i need to
08:02<dierwechter>put in the makefile
08:03<jm_>dierwechter: put the makefile on some pastebin site
08:03<dierwechter>makefile of anope ?
08:03<jm_>yes
08:03<dierwechter>but is cmake .
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08:03<dierwechter>cmake . then make install
08:03<dierwechter>ok
08:03<dierwechter>?
08:03<jm_>well if you use make then there must be a makefile
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08:05<dierwechter>how can i caopy past ? i using cat file
08:05<dierwechter>but to big
08:05<dierwechter>..
08:05<babilen>dierwechter: install pastebinit and run "pastebinit Makefile" and give us the URL
08:05<jm_>pastebin.ca allows you to use browser upload functionality, there's also pastebinit
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08:06<babilen>brb
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08:06<dierwechter>http://pastebin.com/UWkxyVQR
08:06<dierwechter>:)
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08:07<jm_>ok that won't be as trivial as it use other makefiles
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08:08<dierwechter>so ?
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08:09<dierwechter>jm_ so no way rifht ?
08:09<dierwechter>right ?
08:10<jm_>dierwechter: no, there is a way, it's just not as simple as I thought
08:10<dierwechter>can u help me please :)
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08:11<dierwechter>but why he say error in the xmlmemory.h because this has noting to do wihte the module ?
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08:11<jm_>because xmlmemory.h include xmlversion.h
08:12<dierwechter>so can u please help me ? :)
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08:14<jm_>it will take until februrary if I will have to help you figure out the makefiles generated by cmake, maybe it's easier if you look in the top cmake file
08:14<babilen>dierwechter: What are you trying to do anyway?
08:14<dierwechter>install a anope module
08:14<jm_>looks like some unreal thing :)
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08:15<dierwechter>but wait xmlmemory include xmlversion
08:15<dierwechter>but the file is in there so ...
08:15<dierwechter>i dont understand this
08:15<convidado>I'm with a problem here: Apache deny a php file because his name is dhtml_tabs.js.php
08:15<convidado>If I rename it it works. But I'm unable to find the config who causes this. Somebody can help me?
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08:16<dierwechter>i havbe also cmake_install.cmake
08:16<dierwechter>jm_
08:16<jm_>the file is there, but preprocessor doesn't know where to find it
08:16<dierwechter>i havbe also cmake_install.cmake
08:17<jm_>dierwechter: yeah I guess you need to look in there - I have never used cmake so I can't really help with it, try to find out how one can set compiler options with it
08:19<dierwechter>IF(NOT CMAKE_INSTALL_LOCAL_ONLY)
08:19<dierwechter> # Include the install script for each subdirectory.
08:19<dierwechter>like this ?
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09:10<dierwechter>jm_ i
09:11<dierwechter>anope author say
09:11<dierwechter>it shouldn''t require you to update the makefile though :-/
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09:37<dierwechter>can someone help me more please
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09:47<cthuluh>dierwechter: seems like you're having problems with some kind of build tool, right?
09:47<cthuluh>or is it debian specific?
09:47<cthuluh>##workingset@freenode might help
09:49<babilen>or #cmake or ##c (both on irc.freenode.net as well)
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09:59<abod-x>السلام عليكم
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10:00<dierwechter>yes
10:00<dierwechter>^^
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10:03<NICOLAS>HOL
10:04<NICOLAS>HOLA
10:04<NICOLAS>K TAL
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10:05<Ganneff>!es
10:05<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:06<NICOLAS>debian-es
10:06<NICOLAS>hello
10:07<NICOLAS>#debian-es
10:08<babilen>NICOLAS: /join #debian-es
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10:09<babilen>NICOLAS: Or speak English in here :)
10:09<NICOLAS>engle no espanhis
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10:28<bighornram>I have a file > 4 GB that I downloaded to an ext3 partition. I'm unable to ftp it, unable to tar it. I got it with rtorrent and rtorrent claims the hash passes. Is there a way to copy the file from this server?
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10:29<cxxcy>http://www.spain.spmgame.de/partner.php?ID=270349
10:29<cxxcy>http://www.spain.spmgame.de/partner.php?ID=270349
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10:39<ompaul>bighornram: that will depend on the machine you are trying to copy to, seems to me you have shown that ext3 already has handled it
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10:40<dierwechter>someone can help me more for the xmlmemory probmel please ?
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10:44<ompaul>dierwechter: I know nothing of xmlmemory, however you would be better saying "Running debian version Z, trying to get result Y got result X, and this error message" that way if someone knows what you need to be told they can tell you, right now the position is one persons expert is another's beginner, so you could do something :)
10:44<kop>!tell dierwechter about anyone
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10:46<dierwechter>i have debian lenny i get this error : xmlmemory.h:6:31 xmlmemory.h no such file or directory
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10:52<kop>dierwechter: What did you do to get that error?
10:52<dierwechter>i try to make instal
10:52<dierwechter>an then
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10:54<dierwechter>kop : /usr/include/libxml2/libxml/xmlmemory.h:16:31: error: libxml/xmlversion.h: No such file or directory
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11:11<kop>dierwechter: You probably need some build package installed. Try "apt-file search xmlversion.h". Or maybe that's not it. Why are you building instead of installing a debian package?
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11:13<dierwechter>kop how i can do this
11:13<dierwechter>kop i have xml-dev2
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11:17<kop>dierwechter: What do you mean you have it? What is it? It's not a package in lenny.
11:17<kop>!de
11:17<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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11:32<ompaul>dierwechter: maybe you want to apt-get install libxml2-dev
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11:33<ompaul>dierwechter: install all this stuff >> libxml2-utils and libxml2 and libxml2-deb <<
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12:01<longrifle0x>hi all
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12:35<f0rk>,versions proftpd
12:35<judd>Package proftpd on i386 -- etch: 1.3.0-19etch3; etch-security: 1.3.0-19etch3; etch-backports: 1.3.1-17lenny4~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.3.1-17lenny4; lenny-security: 1.3.1-17lenny4
12:36<f0rk>,versions proftpd-basic
12:36<judd>Package proftpd-basic on i386 -- etch-backports: 1.3.1-17lenny4~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.3.1-17lenny4; lenny-security: 1.3.1-17lenny4; sid: 1.3.3a-5; squeeze: 1.3.3a-5
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12:38<babilen>f0rk: thank you, I really wanted to know that. -- /msg judd versions PKG
12:39<f0rk>babilen: I didn't know which bot provided versions in the first place, I'll let you go back to watching this channel do nothing
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12:46<babilen>f0rk: :-þ
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12:53<hide>Is there any way to force dhclient to request maximal lease time available from dhcp server?
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13:06<babilen>hide: "man dhclient.conf"
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13:08<kek>hi there, anyone care to help w/ sh question? bash -x outputs lines, but is there anyway to only display this info, not actually executing the script commands? thx in advance
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13:09<cthuluh>kek: see -v and -n
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13:09<cthuluh>kek: bash and sh are different things, remember. if you have more questions I suggest /join-ing #bash@freenode
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13:15<kek>thx almighty cthulhu, my man/info is incomplete, but i found docs on the web. different things indeed, just wanted to be short. thx again, eat me first!
13:15<retrospectacus>heh
13:15<babilen>huh?
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13:16<cthuluh>:)
13:16<kek>babilen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu
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13:17<babilen>kek: I am well aware of the origins of your name, but obviously failed to see the implications as I just thought: "Well, just another NICK - And one of them that might be taken in a couple of places - Meh, should read some of lovecraft again - ..)
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13:18<babilen>hence the "s/hu$/uh$/" i guess ...
13:19<babilen>anyway .. pray continue to eat kek
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13:26<adema>hello everyone
13:26<sney>hi
13:26-!-prock [~prock@66.87.6.122] has joined #debian
13:26<adema>i need some help
13:26<adema>i just bought a new laptop
13:26<adema>and the wifi chipset doesn't seem to be working
13:26<adema>maybe drivers are not included in debian
13:27<retrospectacus>!wireless
13:27<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
13:27<adema>but i can't figure which chipset my laptop has
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13:27<retrospectacus>!what's my wireless
13:27<dpkg>Install the hwinfo package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ , or ask me about <whats my hardware>. See also <wireless>.
13:27<adema>thx^^ i'll take a look
13:27<prock>babilen: lspci -nn | grep -i network
13:27<prock>Returns nothing
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13:28<adema>05:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller [10ec:8172] (rev 10)
13:28<adema>(with lspci)
13:28<retrospectacus>prock lspci -nn and visually search for the line describing the hardware in question
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13:28<retrospectacus>,pciid 10ec:8172
13:28<judd>[10ec:8172] is 'RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8172
13:28<retrospectacus>adema: ^
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13:29<retrospectacus>adema: no known kernel module in lenny or in sid :(
13:29<adema>:o
13:29<adema>it's not a good news
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13:30<prock>I'm on an iPhone and have to type this out aaaahhhhhhh
13:30<sney>at least you still have ndiswrapper as an option, adema
13:30<retrospectacus>rough times in the prock household
13:31<gruetzkopf>,pciid 1224:0700
13:31<judd>[1224:0700] is 'Unknown device' from 'Interactive Images' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1224:0700
13:31<gruetzkopf>,pciid 1244:0700
13:31<judd>[1244:0700] is 'B1 ISDN' from 'AVM GmbH' with kernel module 'b1pci' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1244:0700
13:32<babilen>prock: We are looking for the pciid
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13:33<prock>03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x .... there is more bet u left it off, do u need the rest
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13:34<retrospectacus>prock: We are looking for the pciid, like [1224:0700] - near the end of the line
13:34<prock>What is the pciid, any of that it
13:35<retrospectacus>no it is 8 hex digits
13:35<prock>Got ya....
13:35<babilen>!ar242x
13:35<dpkg>[ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. For AR5007* devices, ask me about <ar2425>. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. See also <debian-backports>.
13:35<sney>prock: ar242x uses ath9k
13:35<sney>er, never mind
13:36<sney>that factoid is wrong, though - ath5k is only usable in 2.6.29 and up
13:36<prock>[168c:001c] (rev 01)
13:36<sney>so you're good to go in squeeze, but for lenny you need a backport kernel.
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13:37<prock>Is squeeze the testing?
13:37<sney>yes
13:37<sney>it'll be the next stable release, in a month or two probably
13:38<babilen>prock: But it should be stable soonish -- You might actually want to consider upgrading to Squeeze.
13:38<sney>it's very usable now.
13:38<retrospectacus>,pciid 168c:001c
13:38<judd>[168c:001c] is 'AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:001c http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k and the out-of-tree 'ath_pci' module.
13:38<babilen>prock: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes
13:38<prock>Is there a netinstall for swueeze
13:38<sney>yep
13:38<sney>http://www.debian.org/devel/installer iirc
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13:39<sney>hmm maybe not
13:39<babilen>http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
13:39<babilen>sney: almost :)
13:39<sney>ah yeah
13:39<sney>any opportunity to put the name on there
13:39<prock>Would I have problems with my wifi not working turrimg the. Netinstall
13:39<sney>nope
13:39<sney>I did a netinstall over ath5k wireless the other day
13:39<babilen>prock: But you can upgrade from lenny as well. But if you just installed it, it might be easier to just install a fresh squeeze system
13:40<nasuta-work>sney, you know a date for the release of squeeze?
13:40<sney>nasuta-work: no, just guesses
13:40<sney>!wwsr
13:40<dpkg>Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>, most likely in the first half of 2011. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101116b . See also <guess the release date>.
13:41<sney>but we're down to, what, 100 rc bugs? it's getting there fast
13:41<__neila__>23RC ?
13:41<nasuta-work>ok, thanks
13:41<prock>So what link should I use to get tue best testing
13:42<sney>just the netinst for your architectures
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13:42<sney>should be among the first few links on the d-i page
13:43<babilen>sney: More like 25 -- http://blog.schmehl.info/
13:43<prock>So what is frozen
13:43<sney>frozen means no new software, just bug fixes
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13:44<gruetzkopf>so when squeeze is stable, wich name will testing have?
13:44<dvs>gruetzkopf: wheezy
13:44<sney>yeah, wheezy
13:44<gruetzkopf>aah
13:44<dvs>and no, nobody knows
13:44<sney>it sounds like an ubuntu codename imo
13:45<sney>wheezy wombat or something
13:45<prock>Lol
13:45<dvs>warthog! ;-)
13:45<jordanm>sney: all toy story characters
13:45<sney>jordanm: I know.
13:45<gruetzkopf>abd if we're through all of 'em :-P
13:45<prock>Q
13:45*dvs thought it was a character from The Jeffersons
13:46<sney>huh, wheezy is the penguin
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13:46<sney>looks like tux with a bowtie
13:46<sney>http://www.disneypicture.net/data/media/172/Toy-Story-Wheezy.jpg
13:47<babilen>yay! /me is waiting for the "Debian Troll" release (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Toys)
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13:48<dvs>sney: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Jefferson
13:48<dvs>;-)
13:48<prock>Major question, it will be a life saver if I can, my iPhone can download any kind of file, it's jailbroked and unlocked, with the data cable only, it there a way Linux / Debian can connect and read it's files???
13:48<sney>probably
13:48<sney>not sure how though
13:49<prock>I'm downloading the iso now on my phone
13:49<sney>does the iphone behave like an ipod when the data cable is connected? if so, debian can probably see it as a usb hard drive
13:49<sney>it might be formatted as hfs+ though, which puts you in a catch-22
13:50<kop>sney: Why is that?
13:50<sney>because he'd need to install hfsplus to mount hfs+ volumes, but if the computer isn't networked, the only way to get the hfsplus deb is to download it to the phone
13:51<sney>which he can't mount because he doesn't have hfsplus installed. catch-22.
13:51<babilen>it probably will behave like an usb drive -- not sure about iPhones, but iPoods do. And IIRC they typically use some fat fs by default in order to make windows user happy as well.
13:51<sney>yeah, if he's hooked it up to windows in the past it should be vfat
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13:51<sney>ipods are formatted based on what host OS talks to them
13:51<ras>hi
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13:52<babilen>ras: welcome
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13:52<retrospectacus>yes the iPhone will be a removable disk in gvfs, also a network connection in nm-applet, media device in rhythmbox, etc.
13:52<ras>I got a little problem running squeeze on my "new" pc
13:52<ras>may someone help me ?
13:53<sney>ask your question
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13:53<prock>I've used a program call winSCP and I was able to browse the root of the iPhone
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13:53<ras>the installation runned well
13:53<ras>when i start to boot it begins well, grub is ok
13:54<kop>prock: But that uses a network connection....
13:54<ras>then I got some lines that don't show any error
13:54<prock>Frack
13:54<kop>prock: If you've a network connection you could use sftp.
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13:55<ras>and then the screen turns black, and there is a fixed cursor ( "_" actually ) on the top left corner
13:55<ras>and that's all
13:55<prock>Ya but my prob is now that the wifi on the pc don't work
13:56<ras>using recovery mode I think I can log as root, but since I don't know what to check :\
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13:56<retrospectacus>prock: the pc may use the iPhone's internet
13:56<sney>ras, it's probably having trouble starting X
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13:58<prock>The iPhone has no sim card, I'm using a mobile mifi
13:58<prock>Brb
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13:59<ras>sney, so ?
13:59<ras>I'll try to run the recovery mode and type "startx"
13:59<ras>?
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14:00<ras>same thing :D
14:01<sney>ras: no, you should look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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14:01<sney>it's a text file that shows you what X was trying to do. error lines have EE
14:01<ras>ho, I should have told you I put /var on e different partition
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14:03<sney>ras: well, you can mount it then and look
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14:05<ras>it's already mount
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14:05<ras>I'll be back in an instant
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14:08<eaudecologne>hello. i wanted to install debian on my desktop but my computer is freezing on network hardware detection. i dont get an error or anything like that. does anybody knows how to fix that?
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14:09<sney>eaudecologne: how long did you wait before you decided it was frozen? sometimes it just takes a long time
14:09<ras>I'm back :)
14:09<ras>(I had to reboot on this machine)
14:09<ras>I only have one error
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14:10<kop>eaudecologne: You could also try the kmuto installer. (Type: /msg dpkg kmuto into your irc client.)
14:10<eaudecologne>on first time 1 minute. but i tried it 6 or 7 times. i think 10 minutes was the longest
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14:11<sney>eaudecologne: how many network adapters does your computer have, and are any of them disabled in the bios?
14:11<ras>AIGLX error : dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/nouveau_vieux_dri.so failed (usr/lib/dri/nouveau_vieux_dri.so : cannot open shared object file : No such file or directory)
14:11<kop>eaudecologne: If you are new to debian the following factoid is (unrelated) something you might want to know.
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14:11<kop>!tell eaudecologne about overview
14:11<ras>AIGLx ; reverting to software rendering
14:11<sney>eugh, nouveau
14:11<sney>I don't know why it defaults to that pre-alpha kludge
14:12<babilen>kop: I would say that given that squeeze will be released soon it is better to recommend installing that for personal use boxes (i.e. those that do not need Debian stable grade sec support)
14:12<ras>I got some warnings also
14:12<sney>ras, so you have a nvidia graphics card?
14:12<ras>yep
14:12<eaudecologne>i have 1 normal ethernet and 1 wireless lan card
14:13<ras>nvidia nForce 2 says lspci
14:13<gruetzkopf>do modprobe forcedeth
14:13<ras>sorry xD > GeForce 3 Ti 200 (rev a3)
14:14<sney>oh, I had one of those once
14:14<gruetzkopf>oh, that was the wrong guy
14:14*gruetzkopf got a nforce 2 based board, too
14:14<kop>babilen: I'd do that, but I have some hesitation because I did that before lenny became stable and then had a bug left over that did not go away. (Although it's not there if I install lenny.) It's also harder to get squeeze support -- install images harder to find, etc. Not to argue; just thought I'd mention this.
14:14<eaudecologne>are there some kmuto isos for squeeze too?
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14:15<ras>so, do you have a clue sney ?
14:15<kop>babilen: Regardless, when squeeze goes stable the info remains good and many will want to use backports, etc., sooner or later.
14:15<sney>ras: anyway, the easiest thing is probably just to install the nvidia drivers, since you'll want to do that anyway if you're going to be playing games or watching movies. there are some directions here http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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14:16<babilen>kop: Sure
14:16<ras>nouveau isn't working right yet ?
14:16<devil>ras: depends
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14:17<ras>apparently not :D
14:17<sney>yeah, it is really buggy. sometimes it works ok. sometimes your thing happens. and everything in between
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14:19<yasser>does anyone know of a password manager without gnome dependencies that integrates with apps and firefox?
14:19<devil>yasser: keepassx is nice
14:20<yasser>devil: alright, ill check it out
14:20<ras>does someone knows how to disable the bip in the tty
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14:20<retrospectacus>!beep
14:20<dpkg>[beep] echo -ne 'a', or aptitude install beep, or ask me about <bell>, <qotd89>. For the audio player, ask me about <bmp>. For the protocol framework, see http://beepcore.org/
14:22<bartm>ras, in some old notes I've kept, I wrote "vi /etc/inputrc" and "set bell-style none"
14:22<babilen>yasser: vim+gpg+txt file?
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14:23<retrospectacus>!bell
14:23<dpkg>To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>, <metacity bell bug>.
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14:24<yasser>babilen: thats what i was leaning towards because im running a minimal xfce on a netbook so i want it to be as lightweight as possible but i was hoping to find something that was totally automated
14:25<ras>if "ping google.fr" returns "ping:unknown host google.fr" it means i'm not online..
14:25<ras>but ifconfig seems right :\
14:25<babilen>yasser: Well take a look at keepassx, but what are you missing from the vim+gpg+txt file setup? I'm happily using it and don't miss anything
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14:30<ras>how do i check if i have internet ?
14:30<bartm>ras, try to reach a web server like google ?
14:30<yasser>ras: ping -c 5 www.google.com
14:31<ras>ras> if "ping google.fr" returns "ping:unknown host google.fr" it means i'm not online..
14:31<ras><ras> but ifconfig seems right :\
14:31<ras>I'm pluged with the same ethernet i used to netinstall debian :\
14:32<bartm>ras, try "host google.fr"
14:32<bartm>ras, and "cat /etc/resolv.conf"
14:32<ras>connection timed out; no serveur could be reached
14:33<ras>no such file or directory ><'
14:33<ras>ow sorry
14:33<bartm>looks like you don't have a nameserver configured
14:33<ras>#Generated by network manager
14:33<ras>nameserver 192.168.1.1
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14:34<bartm>that's an intranet address. Do you have a name server running on that ?
14:34<babilen>yasser: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=4870 -- might be an option as well. But I just shup ut now ;)
14:35<ras>euh
14:35<yasser>babilen: thanks :) im going to go the vim route
14:35<ras>I don't understand what you mean :$
14:36<bartm>then the answer is probably no :)
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14:36<babilen>yasser: it is easy to configure vim to request your passphrase and edit the encrypted file -- do you know how?
14:36<babilen>yasser: (for gpg that is)
14:36<gruetzkopf>ping
14:36<ras>I'm plugged on a french neufbox (my modem and routeur) if it's your question
14:36<bartm>babilen, sounds interesting, how?
14:37<yasser>babilen: not right now, thats why i was looking elsewhere. but i can always figure out!
14:37<ras>so, how come i'm not online ?
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14:38<babilen>yasser: Probably the easiest solution is to use: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=661 (further support in #vim ;)
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14:39<ras>bartm, any idea ?
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14:39<bartm>ras, probably a matter of configuring your "routeur"
14:40<bartm>ras, the ip-address found in /etc/resolv.conf most likely comes with the dhcp info
14:41<ras>hum
14:41<ras>s/thing to do with the fact i'm in the recovery mode ?
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14:41<bartm>recovery mode ?
14:42<gpm>hi. i'm periodically getting emails like the one in this paste: http://paste.lisp.org/display/117721#2 it's a fairly standard denyhosts.conf which i've pasted here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/117721#3. any thoughts?
14:42<ras>euh
14:42<ras>yep
14:43<ras>the normal mode doesn't boot
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14:45<bartm>ras, grep domain-name-servers /var/lib/dhcp3/*leases
14:46<ras>nothing
14:47<ras>(you meant it's /var/lib/dhcp/*leases, right ?)
14:47<bartm>I meant what I wrote
14:48<ras>dhcp3 ?
14:48<ras>grep /var/lib/dhcp3/*leases no such file or directory
14:50<bartm>cat /etc/debian_version
14:50<ras>6.0
14:51<ras>squeeze downloaded from here : http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-squeeze-di-beta2-i386-netinst.iso
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14:54<ras>hum :\
14:54<alaaer>السلام عليكم
14:54<bartm>alaaer, here english only please
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14:54<kop>alaaer: What language do you speak?
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14:55<LotR>that looks arabic
14:55<kop>LotR: !ar does not give an arabic channel....
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14:56<ras>bartm, any idea for my problem ?
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14:57<kop>!arabic
14:57<dpkg>methinks arabic is Linux supports the Arabic language. See http://www.arabeyes.org/download/documents/howto/arabic-howto-en/ For help with debian in Arabic, ask in #debian-lb on irc.freenode.net (and be patient! it's a small community)
14:57<bartm>ras, yes, it's probably a matter of configuring your router
14:57<ras>dhclient eth0 worked :)
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14:58<bartm>ras, problem solved?
14:58<ras>not totally
14:58<ras>but since i have internet, i can install nvidia graphic drivers :)
14:58<ras>and i'll be back if i have a problem
14:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 475] by debhelper
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15:00<alaaer>arabic
15:00<alaaer>and
15:00<alaaer>english
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15:00<__neila__>ras: remember headers kernel for nvidia drivers and no nouveau
15:00<kop>alaaer: If you have a question just ask.
15:01<ompaul>kop: they left
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15:01<kop>ompaul: Rats. I was hoping to get them to update the <arabic> factoid with something in the language.
15:01<ras>thanks __neila__
15:02<ompaul>kop: I'll try and get it arabic I have some contacts
15:02<kop>ompaul: There's also <lb>.
15:02<ompaul>!lb
15:02<dpkg>Multi-language support and Debian community for Lebanese users (and all Arabic speaking users) can be found in #debian-lb on irc.freenode.net.
15:03<ompaul>!ir
15:03<dpkg>IrDA is an infrared wireless communication standard. To use on Debian systems: enable infrared in BIOS (if built-in), "aptitude install irda-utils" (its init script starts irattach by default), enable infrared on the other device, "cat /proc/net/irda/discovery" / irdadump to test. To provide /dev/ircomm* devices, "modprobe ircomm-tty". See also irda-utils' README.Debian. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Infrared-HOWTO/ Not for CIR, see <lirc>.
15:03<ompaul>which is a different language altogether
15:04<ompaul>kop: pm if I may
15:05<lord_rob>If OFTC is the new irc.debian.org, the old freenode has still much more users as I see
15:05<ompaul>lord_rob: it has been official for years now
15:05<lord_rob>I know I know
15:06<ompaul>I was going to say people falling out of brown into blue happens a lot on that network :)
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15:10<lord_rob>I use OFTC for Debian-related things (#debian-kde)
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15:11<gruetzkopf>OFTC FTW!
15:11<bartm>ftw?
15:11<gruetzkopf>for the win
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15:32<gpm>hi. i'm periodically getting emails like the one in this paste: http://paste.lisp.org/display/117721#2 it's a fairly standard denyhosts.conf which i've pasted here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/117721#3. any thoughts?
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15:45<Kamperman>I was wondering if someone could help me, i bought a DNS-323 and i installed debian etch on it, but i am unable to upgrade nor ping outside the network
15:45<bartm>gpm, maybe broken /etc/logrotate.d/denyhosts ?
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15:47<kenyon>gpm: looks like your denyhosts.conf is being sourced by the shell
15:48<bartm>gpm, at least /etc/init.f/denyhosts should most likely be /etc/init.d/denyhosts
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15:50<retrospectacus>Kamperman, you can ping inside the network? sounds like you are missing a default route
15:50<kenyon>Kamperman: how about posting some more info, like output of "ip a" or something
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15:51<kenyon>Kamperman: also "ip r"
15:51<kenyon>Kamperman: also, why would you install etch and not lenny?
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15:51<Kamperman>i was told it would be easy to upgrade
15:52<Kamperman>and i am a noob whats ip a and ip r
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15:52<bartm>those are commands to type at the shell prompt
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15:53<kenyon>Kamperman: why would you install something just to upgrade it?
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15:54<Kamperman>because i was just following someone else instructions
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15:55<ompaul>Kamperman: currently lenny is easy to install and shortly we will have squeeze which is running rather well right now, so I suggest you give up download squeeze and install it (this is somebody else's intructions)
15:55<kenyon>Kamperman: maybe you should try installing lenny the same way you did with etch. it might work better, especially if the problem is that etch doesn't have support for your network hardware.
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15:55<bartm>gpm, still there?
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15:57<retrospectacus>Kamperman: that is a NAS right, usually they have custom installers built by a community
15:57<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Kamperman -about dns-323
15:58<Kamperman>yea it is
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15:59<kop>Kamperman: fyi, see this factoid
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15:59<kop>!tell Kamperman about overview
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16:00<Kamperman>thanks guys
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16:01<prock>Not the squeeze net inst say there is no modules loaded, and I contune with out, and no eithernet card is found
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16:02<prock>Now*
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16:06<ras>I can't manage to install nvidia drivers :\
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16:06<prock>Hello?
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16:07<bartm>ras, maybe this helps: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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16:08<prock>There is an error in the current unstable cd netinstall
16:08<ras>i'm already on it bartm :\
16:09<bartm>ras, elaborate on "can't manage" :)
16:09<kenyon>prock: what is the error?
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16:09<ras>when I run "startx" it says : "NVIDIA failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your system kernel log for additional error messages/
16:09<ras>Failed to load module nvidia (module-specific error, 0)
16:10<ras>No driver available
16:10<ras>Fatal servers error
16:10<ras>no screens found
16:10<prock>After it mounts the iso, it say the modules could not be found / loaded, something like that
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16:10<kenyon>prock: you'll have to be more specific
16:11<prock>Give me a moment and let me turn it back on
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16:12<babilen>prock: What NIC do you use?
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16:12<ras>is that enough bartm ?
16:13<bartm>ras, which steps exactly did you follow on http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers ?
16:13<prock>Load installer components from an installer iso, no kernel modules were found. Blah blah muck more
16:14<ras>install kernel module using module-assistant
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16:15<ras>install a pre-built module
16:15<ras>went to step 3 since it worked well
16:15<ras>modified xorg.conf
16:15<ras>reboot
16:16<prock>I drop to a shell and use that command and it's not found , fix your download iso
16:17<bartm>ras, with nvidia-xconfig ?
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16:18<ras>at first, but since it didn't work i recreated a xorg.conf
16:18<babilen>ras: Can you actually load the kernel module?
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16:18<ras>how ?
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16:19<babilen>ras: Try "modprove nvidia" and take a look at "dmesg|tail -n 10"
16:19<sney>*modprobe
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16:20<babilen>yeah, thanks
16:20<ras>error insterting nvidia ( /lib/module/2.6.32-5-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko ) : No such device
16:21<sney>hmm ras, did you use the legacy nvidia drivers or the current one?
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16:21<OddTod>Hello all I have debian 2.6.26-vserver currently running on my server. I want to be able to connect to this using VNC with out there being a monitor and currently signed into the GUI. I have tried using "vncserver :0" to create the instance but this unfortunately isn't allowing me to connect. I have also tried using vnc4server(although i'm not sure the difference)
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16:22<sney>OddTod: I use tightvncserver for that purpose, but the most likely thing is that you need to read the manpage and set the correct options
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16:22<camaron>goooqui
16:23<camaron>yes yesss yessçç
16:23<ras>where do i choose one or the other sney ?
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16:24<ras>dmesg says : "no nvidia graphics adapter found!" :\
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16:24<sney>ras: in the wiki article, there was the option to choose -legacy-96xx or -legacy-173xx
16:24<sney>you have a geforce3 so I think you need 173 but there should be a link with the right details
16:24<ras>ho, i did'nt see that
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16:25<ras>I saw that i need 96.43.XX
16:25<blixten>do i nede to install any packet to get 32bin to work on a ppc64 with ubuntu 64?
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16:25<blixten>need*
16:25<sney>blixten: I don't know, ask in irc.freenode.net #ubuntu
16:25<blixten>thx bro
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16:27<ras>sney, how do i reinstall all that ?
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16:28<sney>ras: instead of m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-source, you do m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source
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16:29<ras>i thought ${VERSION} will be automatically remplaced by the right stuff
16:29<sney>ras: that's the idea, but you can also do it manually
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16:29<ras>yep, but i don't have to desinstall something before ?
16:29<sney>since you know you need 96xx, and you know the rest of the commands, you can just type it where necessary
16:30<sney>nope, linux kernel modules don't mess each other up like windows drivers
16:30<ras>:)
16:30<sney>and it will probably overwrite nvidia.ko anyway
16:32<ras>okay :)
16:32<ras>and i still do have to do the rest of the how-to ?
16:34<sney>you'll probably have to configure xorg.conf again, yeah
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16:34<ras>nope, didn't change ;)
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16:37<god>Hi
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16:37<ras>modeprobe nvidia still doesn't work sney :\
16:37<god>I have wlan0 and eth0
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16:38<god>i have tried ipstarter
16:38<god>*firestarter
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16:38<Krakish>fast question when i install debian installation stop cause i install from flash and i dont have cd-rom pluged and debian cant find cd-rom
16:38<sney>ras: try a reboot
16:38<Guest3952>to share internet, but i suspect i need to change my interfaces file
16:38<Guest3952>is this so?
16:38<Krakish>how can i bypass check for cd-rom
16:38<sney>Guest3952: yep
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16:39<dmasqa>sney: I had it going before, until i deleted /home partition :p
16:39<ras>ho, i had an error during m-a a-i, i just saw
16:39<dmasqa>so i need help, what would i need to change
16:39<dmasqa>i want to share wifi
16:39<sney>I don't remember, it's been more than a year since I've set up a debian router
16:39<dmasqa>dhcp/iptables is setup fine
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16:39<kenyon>dmasqa: enable IP forwarding
16:40<dmasqa>yessir
16:40<kenyon>dmasqa: see /etc/sysctl.conf
16:40<dmasqa>sshhhh
16:40<dmasqa>no
16:41<dmasqa>I had it working on my last install and i only changed interfaces and iptables
16:41<ian>hi I'm new to debian, how do I make apt to download the packages in the morning so that when I get to my office I just upgrade them locally?
16:41<OddTod>sney: Thank you for your help I read about the connection client I was using and I interupted it incorrectly on how to pick the screen I wanted. I don't have the gnome system bar when I log in only a terminal in a windowed enviroment.
16:41<kenyon>dmasqa: ask dpkg about ip masq and maq
16:42<dmasqa>http://pastie.org/1446514
16:42<sney>OddTod: you need to install a window manager along with your x server, otherwise it will just give you twm
16:42<kenyon>!tell dmasqa about masq
16:42<dmasqa>i suspect something is incorrect
16:42<sney>OddTod: I generally use lxde or windowmaker for that purpose since they're very small
16:42<ompaul>ian: sleep (number) ; apt-get update && echo -y | apt-get -d upgrade
16:42<dmasqa>i know about those
16:42<ompaul>ian: sleep would be a long period of seconds
16:42<dmasqa>i need to worry about interfaces right now
16:42<OddTod>sney: thanks I"ll look into how those work / installing them
16:42<ras>i think my error is where it says : "trying to overwrite /lib/module/..bla../nvidia.lo which is also in package nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686 195.36.... bla
16:42<devil>ian: -d just downloads
16:43<dmasqa>i need the correct wireless mode
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16:43<dmasqa>and if this is /ok/ and not invalid
16:43<dmasqa>http://pastie.org/1446514
16:43<ras>subprocess paste killed by signal (broken pipe)
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16:43<kenyon>!tell ian about at
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16:44<ompaul>ian: most likely best to use at or better yet have a cron job that gets files for you at 5am or something you may still get updates if they happen but you might not kill the network as much
16:44<dmasqa>kenyon: iptables are fine, i promise
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16:44<kenyon>dmasqa: what is your problem?
16:45<gsimmons>dmasqa: I'm fairly sure "applepie" is not an accepted device operating mode.
16:45<babilen>ras: Well, remove the mentioned package as you don't need the pre-built one anymore, because you are rolling your own
16:45<dmasqa>lol
16:45<dmasqa>reread what i said
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16:45<dmasqa>i need the correct wireless mode
16:45<dmasqa>and if this is /ok/ and not invalid
16:45<kenyon>!tell dmasqa about enter
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16:45<dmasqa>i used the up key brah
16:46<dmasqa>my previous messages
16:46<ras>which package babilen ?
16:46<dmasqa>and it is a substitute for my comma, sorry.
16:46<babilen>ras: The one you just mentioned (nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686 ...)
16:47<babilen>ras: Or rather: the one m-a is conflicting with
16:47<dmasqa>Again, the wireless mode please.
16:47<sney>wouldn't it be 'managed'
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16:48<sney>or maybe 'ap'
16:48<sney>I'm not sure
16:48<ian>thanks all
16:48<sney>it's not applepie though.
16:48<amphi>'managed'
16:48<babilen>ian: Have a nice day :)
16:48<ompaul>ian: you are welcom
16:48<ompaul>e
16:48<dmasqa>no it is not, ad-hoc or master i think... Oh wow i just remembered
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16:48<ras>seem to work well
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16:49<ras>i try a reboo
16:49<kenyon>dmasqa: did you read the manual pages? interfaces, wireless, iwconfig?
16:49<ras>t
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16:49<dmasqa>kenyon: i just set it to adhoc and pulled an 'ifup wlan0' iptables and all that yummy stuff started fine
16:50<dmasqa>sorry master
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16:51<babilen>ras: So, you can finally insert the module?
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16:52<ras>modprobe nvidia doesn't answer anything
16:52<j0sfg>how can i get multilingual text or unicode font on my console? i am on squeeze
16:52<dmasqa>ad-hoc worked like a charm, master and managed are crap and do not work
16:53<ras>and the reboot didn't work well :
16:53<ras>:\
16:53<dmasqa>than again this install was so messy i wouldn't be suprised
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16:54<dmasqa>and i can always change it
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16:54<ras>don't know what to do babilen :\
16:55<sney>ras: if you do 'modprobe nvidia' and it doesn't tell you anything, that means it worked!! hooray
16:55<babilen>ras: brb
16:55<sney>so make sure xorg.conf looks good and try for a startx
16:55<ras>yep, but when i run startx it says :
16:55<j0sfg>how can i get multilingual text on my console? i am on squeeze
16:56<ras>fail to liad module nvidia (module does not exist, 0)
16:56<ras>no drivers available
16:56<ras>fatal server errors :
16:56<ras>no screens found
16:56<ras>and xorg.conf looks good
16:56<sney>j0sfg: if you have a unicode locale (UTF-8) then all you need is the fonts
16:57<devil>ras: nvidia-glx installed?
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16:58<ras>nope Oo'
16:59<ras>so : apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx ?
16:59<j0sfg>sney: my locale is en_GB.UTF-8. i have my fonts in ~/.fonts. but i only see boxes or ???s rather than the expected unicode chars.
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17:00<sney>j0sfg: so you have all of the necessary fonts for the language(s) you want to display? Most of them are not installed by default.
17:00<sney>for instance if you wanted japanese characters you would install ttf-vlgothic, etc
17:01<j0sfg>sney: yes, i think so. i can see them just fine in the browser or within leafpad, etc
17:01<sney>hmm.
17:01<j0sfg>sney: how does my console know which font to use?
17:01<devil>ras: i did not follow the prob from the beginning, but if you need the legacy driver, yes
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17:02<ras>ouh yeah
17:02<sney>there's a preferences menu for most consoles
17:02<ras>startx actually started X, who would have imagine that !
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17:02<sney>hooray!
17:02<sney>!congratulate ras
17:02<dpkg>Woohoo ras, you did it!
17:03<j0sfg>sney: i have a minimalistic install, not the full gnome.
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17:04<sney>check the man page for the terminal emulator you use
17:04<j0sfg>in fact, i use ratpoison than gnomw. but we are talking about X. i want to get multilingual on text console, before going startx
17:04<sney>hmm, could be in console-setup
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17:05<sney>or whatever that was called, dang i can't remember anything today
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17:05<j0sfg>sney: in fact, i use ratpoison than gnome. but we are not talking about X. i want to get multilingual on text console, before going startx
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17:05<j0sfg>what package has the console-setup?
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17:06<sney>aha, dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
17:06<catsup>j0sfg: why?
17:06<j0sfg>catsup: why what?
17:06<ras>sney, congratulation to you ;)
17:06<catsup>nm
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17:08<j0sfg>sney: ah, that is a package in itself? i shall install it and have a go at console-setup. i don't have it installed
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17:09<j0sfg>catsup: pardon me, i didn't understand
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17:09<catsup>doesn't matter
17:09<catsup>nm = nevermind
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17:09<j0sfg>i got that, but what was your why for?
17:09<catsup>haha, forget it
17:10<j0sfg>was that why i wanted multilingual on my console?
17:10<j0sfg>:-)
17:10<ras>my mouse doesn't work ><'
17:10<catsup>yeah
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17:12<j0sfg>well, i'm going minimalistic and trying to get more done outside X. mplayer works great. elinks and xlinks are working fine. mulitilingual is probably my last frontier... :-)
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17:19<j0sfg>.
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17:22<j0sfg>sney: i installed the package console-setup-mini, as i don't need legacy 8-bit encodings. there seems to be no configuration. dpkg-reconfigure console-setup-mini asks no questions, gives no output
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17:24<j0sfg>sney: do i need to reboot for console-setup to start working its magic?
17:24<kop>j0sfg: Good question. I suppose it depends on whether it's a kernel parameter thing. ??
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17:26<j0sfg>kop: you mean i need to pass a boot paramater to the kernel to get multilingual font on my text console?
17:26<j0sfg>like at the grub command line?
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17:29<kop>j0sfg: I don't know the details, at all. But that might be in the magic that console-setup does.
17:30<j0sfg>kop: ok, perhaps i need to reboot. i'll be back in a while
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17:34<ras>so
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17:34<ras>now i'm having wifi issues
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17:34<ras>does someone knows how to install acx111 driver on squeeze
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17:35<ras>http://wiki.debian.org/acx says : This driver is not available for Squeeze due to Debian bug 563474.
17:35<gsimmons>ras: You would probably be better off using the mac80211 port of this driver ; /msg dpkg acx-mac80211
17:36<devil>there is also acx100-source
17:37<ian>ras: you can also use: m-a prepare
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17:37<ian>ras: and m-a a-i acx100
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17:37<ras>would you be a little bit more clear, i'm lost :\
17:38<ian>m-a = module assistant
17:38<ras>it doesnt work ian, i guess it's because i run squeeze
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17:39<ian>ahhh :-(
17:39<ras>it says i need something more in my source.list which is already ok with contrib and non-free (and apt-get updated)
17:39<ian>ras: check http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/Distribution_list/Debian
17:40<sney>ras: check what gsimmons told you
17:40<ras>he can't find the package acx100-source
17:40<ras>and i didn't understand what gsimmons told me :\
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17:42<sney>we have a channel bot called dpkg that has a lot of information, if you do /msg dpkg topic then it will tell you what it knows about that topic
17:42<OddTod>I have looked online and am unable to find any information on Vserver what is the difference between this andj ust running vbox as an application?
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17:46<ras>thanks sney, i didn't know about dpkg
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17:50<kop>ras: New to debian? You may be interested in /msg dpkg overview
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17:52<ras>not new to debian, i already use squeeze on another laptop
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17:52<ras>but i haven't experimented those kind of problems
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17:57<ras>hum
17:57<ras>got an error
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18:05<carlos>hi
18:05<timon>holá
18:05<carlos>genial uno que habla español
18:06<carlos>tengo una duda, resulta que no e podido confugurar el postfix
18:06<carlos>servidor de correo
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18:06<carlos>es necesario un dominio y una ip fija para enviar un correo por ejemplo a gmail
18:06<carlos>?
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18:08<qq->!es
18:08<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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18:09<carlos>gracias, es usted muy amable
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18:11<gsimmons>ras: The acx-mac80211 git repository has since moved from gitorious.org, I've amended the factoid with current information.
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18:20<ras>what does "insmod" commande do ?
18:20<ras>oh, i see
18:21<hever>Hej. I ripped a DVD (using dvdbackup) and if I play it in vlc I have to activate deinterleacing. Is this normal or was perhaps the whole material changed during this process? It's a simple copy without retranscoding...
18:22<mjr>it's not changed; the dvd happened to be interlaced
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18:22<mjr>afaik they aren't always
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18:26<hever>hmm... ok
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18:28<mjr>namely, it seems, interlacing seems to be a mark of a cheap disk (or a dvb recording, which is, well ;)
18:29<ras>so, have to go, thanks a lot everyone for your help
18:29<ras>see you later :)
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18:59<dufarge>anyone here?
19:00<retrospectacus>hundreds of us
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19:00<dufarge>newbie with an architecture question, anyone got a sec?
19:00<retrospectacus>please don't ask to ask
19:00<retrospectacus>!ask
19:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
19:01<dufarge>Got it. Thx.
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19:01<dufarge>Trying to install Debian on an ancient laptop, AMD Athlon XP2800 processor. Doesn't look like it's supported--is it possible/worthwhile to compile from source?
19:02<bahamat>dufarge: probably not
19:02<retrospectacus>the question is, what is not supported
19:02<retrospectacus>certainly the cpu is supported
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19:06<dufarge>Hm...not sure which version to download then, though. Only AMD processor is 64-bit.
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19:07<jordanm>!amd64
19:07<dpkg>i guess amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>.
19:07<hersoy>hello
19:07<hersoy>!jmicron
19:07<dpkg>JMicron Technology Corporation is an integrated circuits manufacturer. Having problems booting IDE on a JMicron chipset or MSI G965M-FI? See http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/16/1829231 . For support of JMicron PCIe Ethernet controllers, ask me about <jme>.
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19:07<hersoy>how can i add jmicron network driver my debian?
19:08<hersoy>thanks
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19:08<retrospectacus>!jme
19:08<dpkg>[jme] The driver for JMicron JMC2x0 PCI-Express Ethernet controllers, supporting the JMC250 (PCI-ID 197b:0250) and JMC260 (PCI-ID 197b:0260). Included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.28. For support of these devices during Debian installation, ask me about <kmuto> and use lenny-custom-0627 or later. For support within established Lenny systems, ask me about <bdo kernel>.
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19:10<retrospectacus>hersoy, make sense?
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19:12<hersoy>can i download lenny-custom-0627.iso - kernel version 2.6.30 + linux-firmware + ext4 support and reinstall debian? i am a new user
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19:12<Emery>Looking for some history info and wheverelse people can dig up if they have any (that, that isn't on the debian site)
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19:14<retrospectacus>hersoy, what you are describing is not something for a new user to attempt, I think
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19:17<retrospectacus>hersoy, just install squeeze. it has 2.6.35
19:17<hersoy>retrospectacus, get lenny-custom-0302.iso (boot and netboot), zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX and copy the netinstall ISO image ? is it true?
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19:18<hersoy>custom 0302 support wifi
19:19<Emery>If i wanted to help maintain a package who would i speak to ?
19:19<retrospectacus>Emery:
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19:19<retrospectacus>!mentor
19:19<dpkg>methinks mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org.
19:20<retrospectacus>hersoy: I don't really know about that, sorry
19:20<Emery>thanks :)
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19:23<hersoy>retrospectacus, thank you, I would like to try
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19:25<babilen>Emery: Probably the maintainer or group as well.
19:26<Emery>I was talking about the ones up for adoption
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19:27<nteon>I have two debian VMs, 1 setup a year ago, and the other setup a few weeks ago, and the older one allows me to tunnel over X just fine, but not the new one. Does anyone know how I can figure out what I'm doing wrong?
19:27<nteon>they're both running squeeze
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19:27<retrospectacus>diff the sshd_config's
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19:30<nteon>retrospectacus: the only difference (aside from additional comments about PAM) is that the one with working X tunneling has PerMitRootLogin as no
19:31<nteon>(pardon the capitalization)
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19:32<giaske>!list
19:32<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
19:32<retrospectacus>how does it "not work" on the new one? ssh -X newserver, then running what? does what?
19:32<giaske>!list
19:32<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
19:33<nteon>retrospectacus: DISPLAY is never set. I've been using xeyes as a test
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19:33<nteon>retrospectacus: "Error: Can't open display:"
19:34<nteon>retrospectacus: running ssh verbosely wasn't helpful either $ ssh -v -v -X test1-real
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19:38<retrospectacus>nteon: the server log may have something. you could also diff the outputs of "dpkg --get-selections" and see if anything stands out as missing on the server
19:39<Emery>Which is the safer to use apart from stable, squeeze or sid ?
19:39<retrospectacus>Emery: squeeze
19:39<Emery>uhm thought as much
19:39<gpm>hi. i'm periodically getting emails like the one in this paste: http://paste.lisp.org/display/117721#2 it's a fairly standard denyhosts.conf which i've pasted here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/117721#3. any thoughts?
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19:40<retrospectacus>gpm: you cannot have spaces beside the "=" in that 2nd file
19:41<retrospectacus>gpm: SECURE_LOG=/var/log/auth.log NOT SECURE_LOG = /var/log/auth.log
19:42<retrospectacus>I know it's annoying
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19:43<nteon>retrospectacus: of course! auth.log contained "error: Failed to allocate internet-domain X11 display socket.". A google search led me to a fix; seems to have been cauesd by my disabling IPv6 on the machine in question
19:44<retrospectacus>interesting
19:45<nteon>retrospectacus: for posterity (& logs), in sshd_config I added 'AddressFamily inet'
19:46<nteon>is this a bug to be filed, or me not understanding the implications of disabling ipv6?
19:49<retrospectacus>so sshd accepted the connect on ip4, then tried to connect X on localhost using ip6 ?
19:50<retrospectacus>I'd say sshd should not try v6 if it's disabled, or fallback to v4, or make the client show an error...
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19:51<retrospectacus>I can't say if it's a bug though
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19:54<gpm>retrospectacus: thanks
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19:54<gpm>retrospectacus: but this is the debian version
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19:55<gpm>is a bug in order?
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19:58<retrospectacus>gpm: I am skeptical that the maintainers shipped that file with those spaces in it
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20:02<retrospectacus>anyways, beer o'clock here. Catch you on the flip side, #debian!
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20:46<gpm>retrospectacus: that can't be the problem...it's in there with spaces
20:46<gpm>either that's not an actual issue or they made a big boo boo
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20:48<gpm>retrospectacus: it is their bad: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=608672
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20:52<lukasoft>hello everyone, I'm fairly new to debian, and was wondering how to get other partitions and drives to come up in "Places" in the gnome menu. I have them set to mount in etc/fstab/ to /media/
20:53<gpm>lukasoft: you mean subfolders in media (like /media/mydrive) i hope!
20:54<lukasoft>haha yes
20:54<lukasoft>but they don't show up along with "Computer" in the Places menu
20:54<abrotman>just add them there i believe
20:55<gpm>huh, have you attached anything that automounts?
20:55<gpm>like an external drive or something
20:55<gpm>they should just show
20:55<gpm>i never did anything special with partitions/drives that had an fstabl entr
20:55<gpm>y
20:55<lukasoft>they did not automount as far as I know. I had to add them to fstab
20:55<lukasoft>and I had to mount them to /media/* myself
20:56<gpm>i'm asking if you've attached any devices that have automounted
20:56<gpm>i'm wondering if when you attach an external (or whatever) it automounts and shows up there
20:56<gpm>because it ought to
20:56<lukasoft>let me check
20:57<gpm>also how did you install gnome?
20:58<gpm>like, which meta-package did you install
20:58<lukasoft>I just installed debian minutes ago. I'm assuming gnome was installed when i checked "Desktop" in the installation
20:58<gpm>oh yeah
20:58<gpm>in tasksel
20:58<gpm>that should pull in the requisite packages for this kind of thing
20:58<gpm>which debian release?
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20:59<lukasoft>I just plugged it in and it says You are not privileged to mount the volume
20:59<lukasoft>chmod?
20:59<gpm>without you even trying to mount the device it said that to you?
20:59<babilen>plugdev?
20:59<lukasoft>I'm not used to mounting drives thats all
20:59<lukasoft>yes
20:59<gpm>weird
21:00<lukasoft>I believe I have the most recent release as I burned amd64_stable about a day ago
21:00<babilen>lukasoft: make sure you are a member of the plugdev group -- check with "groups" -- you need to be in order to be able to mount removable media
21:01<babilen>anywho, i'm off. Good luck, or come back in the morrow
21:01<gpm>still doesn't answer why his fstab drives aren't showing up as a gnome "place"
21:01<gpm>but i spose that could be perms
21:01<lukasoft>if I don't have permissions it probs won't show up
21:01<gpm>yeah add yourself to that group, or were you already a member?
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21:01<lukasoft>because when I wasn't a sudoer it didn't have the shutdown option in system
21:02<lukasoft>I'm doing that now
21:02<babilen>!desktop groups
21:02<dpkg>The standard groups in Debian that a desktop user would normally be in are: dialout (modem/serial usage), cdrom (CD/DVD), floppy, audio, video (video devices), plugdev (USB disks), netdev (network configuration through hal/networkmanager/wicd), powerdev (power scheme management). Ask me about <group> and <groups>.
21:02<babilen>while you are at it -- but please check first with "groups" you might want to paste the output in here
21:03<lukasoft>is useradd the best way to go?
21:03<lukasoft>groups: dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev
21:04<lukasoft>so i guess I'm already there
21:04<lukasoft>or is that just listing all of the groups
21:04<babilen>yeah, and just FTR it is "adduser" rather than "useradd" (high level vs low level)
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21:05<gpm>huh so you were in the groups
21:05<gpm>well i'm stumped
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21:06<lukasoft>I'm the in the user that was installed along with root during the install
21:06<lukasoft>so any of that was that way by default
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21:08<lukasoft>gpm: what doesn't make sense is that I don't have permissions to view the drives that already are mounted
21:08<lukasoft>when I created the /media/ folders shouldn't I have been given permission?
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21:13<gpm>lukasoft: um. not if you used sudo to create them
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21:13<gpm>lukasoft: try sudo chmod-ing and chgrp-ing
21:13<lukasoft>i've never used chgrp
21:15<lukasoft>what exactly do I do with it?
21:16<gpm>change which group ows a file
21:16<gpm>owns
21:16<sneakers>How do I send the standard input to xargs in a new terminal window?
21:16<gpm>it's similar to chmod
21:16<sneakers>like: "${disk[@]}" | xargs /usr/bin/lxterminal -e /bin/foo
21:17<sneakers>that won't work obviously, but you get the idea I hope.
21:17<sneakers>I want the standard input from "${disk[@]}" to go to the command /bin/foo in a new lxterminal window.
21:18<gpm>lukasoft: chgrp -R yourgroup /media/yourdisk
21:19<lukasoft>is something like powerdev alright?
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21:22<gpm>lukasoft: huh?
21:22<lukasoft>as the group
21:22<lukasoft>using powerdev as the group permissions
21:23<lukasoft>I'm not sure whats standard
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21:23<gpm>oh, i mean, if it's your disk there's no reason to not just use your group
21:23<gpm>it has the same name as your username
21:23<gpm>what is it now?
21:23<gpm>ls -l
21:24<lukasoft>well I changed it to powerdev for now
21:24<lukasoft>and chmod is giving me trouble, I'm guessing its because the drive is NTFS?
21:24<lukasoft>its saying operation not supported for each file
21:24<gpm>could be.
21:24<jordanm>ntfs does not use UNIX permissions
21:25<lukasoft>I know, I just don't know how to set them if chmod doesn't work
21:25<gpm>you can set them in fstab
21:25<gpm>http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS
21:25<lukasoft>ok
21:25<lukasoft>thanks
21:25<gpm>sure. been doing that with fat32 partitions for years
21:25<lukasoft>I probably should be good now, I'll just have to do that to all my drives
21:26<gpm>well, to the fat32/ntfs ones
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21:26<gpm>fun stuff
21:28<lukasoft>haha, once you're comfortable with it that is
21:29<gpm>no, even then it's a pain in the ass
21:29<gpm>i was being facetious
21:29<lukasoft>I wasn't sure. ok, I'm going to try rebooting with the new fstab, see ya, and thanks for the help
21:30<gpm>np
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21:33<lukasoft>gpm:magnificent. I'm not going to lie, thats the first time an issue like that has worked so smoothly. Now that I put them in fstab like your link said they are in places.
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21:36<eaudecologne>hi. i couldnt install debian cause my computer always freezed when the installer checked for network hardware. so i turned my onboard ethernet controller off in my bios settings. i installed debian testing now(first cd) but now my ethernet drivers arent installed. does somebody know how to fix that?
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21:40<jgalt>I have a landscape display and I'm having problems in many Gnome applications that can't be resized thus the buttons run off the bottom of the display making them unusable. Any good workaround suggestions?
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21:53<smv>eaudecologne, the drivers are installed, but the card it's not configured. you can do that in /etc/network/interfaces or with network manager, depending on your needs.
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21:54<sneakers>Hi, I have something like mkfifo /tmp/choice \ "${disk[@]}" \ > choice \ /usr/bin/lxterminal --command=/bin/echo < choice
21:55<sneakers>How do I make the new lxterminal stay open? Right now it closes immediately.
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22:00<eaudecologne>thank you i wanted to configure it with network manager but it seems to be not installed too. isnt it on the debian testing cd1?
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22:07<smv>eaudecologne, i thought it was. see what this say: aptitude show network-manager network-manager-gnome
22:08<eaudecologne>could not be found
22:08<eaudecologne>both packages
22:08<eaudecologne>i configured /etc/network/interfaces
22:09<eaudecologne>but with no luck
22:10<smv>what kind of connection do you have? pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
22:11<eaudecologne>http://debian.pastebin.com/idBPXurM
22:11<smv>and which iso did you used exactly?
22:12<eaudecologne>debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso this one
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22:12<smv>can you give the link where you got it from?
22:13<eaudecologne>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.jigdo
22:13<eaudecologne>i downloaded it with jigdo like it was recommended at the debian homepage
22:16<eaudecologne>i copied the eth0 entry from my notebook where my ethernet card works
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22:17<smv>it seems that indeed network-manager is not on the 1st cd.
22:18<eaudecologne>do i need the gnome-network-manager package or the network-manager package?
22:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 425] by debhelper
22:19<eaudecologne>synaptic isnt also on first cd i think :)
22:19<smv>which kind of ethernet card you have on the system that you can't get network connection?
22:20<eaudecologne>realtek rtl8111/8168B
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22:20<smv>it seems odd to me, that such 'needed' packages are not on the 1st cd, but i wouldn't see the difference since i don't use the installer to install my systems.
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22:21*smv uses sid and installs using debootstrap
22:22<eaudecologne>is that something like a vm?
22:23<eaudecologne>i am really net to linux
22:23<eaudecologne>:)
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22:23<eaudecologne>on my notebook everything worked out of the box
22:24<smv>it's a different way to install debian, it's being used internaly by the installer, and some like to use it directly
22:24<eaudecologne>ah ok
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22:25<eaudecologne>hm i tried to get internet via my wlan card. but i get an error when i try to set my key
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22:27<smv>working with wlan is way beyound my knowledge i'm afraid. let's see what modules you have. someone said that this card worked with r8169
22:27<eaudecologne>http://debian.pastebin.com/AaTcJF0E
22:27<eaudecologne>how do i check that?
22:27<smv>lsmod
22:27<smv>pastebin the output if you don't mind
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22:28<eaudecologne>r8169 24860 0
22:28<jordanm>!r8169
22:28<dpkg>[r8169] the Realtek RTL8169/8168/8101 Gigabit Ethernet driver, included in the mainline Linux kernel. For controller specific information, ask me about <rtl8101e>, <rtl8168d>. Several r8169 bugs were corrected in linux-2.6 2.6.26-21. A MDIO timing issue affecting DHCP operation (Debian bug #583139) was fixed in linux-2.6 2.6.26-24.
22:28<eaudecologne>are the other entries important too? cause i type it from another computer to irc
22:28<jordanm>not wlan
22:29<eaudecologne>yes that is my ethernetcontroller
22:30<smv>jordanm, wlan was the other thing tried, beside eth0, but it also didn't worked
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22:31<dvs>eaudecologne: cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
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22:34<smv>eaudecologne, did you run invoke-rc.d networking stop and invoke-rc.d networking start after editing /etc/network/interfaces on that system?
22:35<eaudecologne>http://debian.pastebin.com/Bru4a0jt
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22:36<eaudecologne>no. but i restarted the the computer. is that ok too? or do i need to run that?
22:36<smv>same effect. odd anyway...
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22:37<eaudecologne>the laste pastebin was cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
22:37<smv>it's supposed to work. does ifconfig sais anything about eth0?
22:37<smv>i mean the et0 it's supposed to be working
22:38<smv>*eth0
22:38<smv>*says
22:40<eaudecologne>http://debian.pastebin.com/ifdxyYLE
22:40<smv>that's all?
22:41<eaudecologne>oh no sorry
22:42<smv>i get it
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22:42<smv>but if there is no line like this: inet addr:95.76.35.115 Bcast:95.76.35.255 Mask:255.255.252.0 then it's clear that it's not using the settings in /etc/network/interfaces
22:43<eaudecologne>http://debian.pastebin.com/9RCGMmsF
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22:44<eaudecologne>ok. on this computer(on the working one) is it like you wrote
22:45<smv>perhaps you could try to use DHCP?
22:45<eaudecologne>how do i do that?
22:45<eaudecologne>without /etc/network/interfaces
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22:47<smv>here's my /etc/network/interfaces http://paste.debian.net/hidden/0d402d2d/
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22:49<f3rch4>hello it's anybody there..
22:49<f3rch4>??
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22:49<eaudecologne>lol
22:49<eaudecologne>:)
22:49<eaudecologne>thank you!! it worked with dhcp
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22:52<smv>!next
22:52<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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22:52<dvs>!lart the customer
22:52*dpkg beats the customer senseless with a 50lb Unix manual
22:53<eaudecologne>50lb?
22:54<smv>the weight of the book :))
22:55<eaudecologne>ah ok lb :) we use kg here
22:55<eaudecologne>;)
22:55<dvs>23kg then
22:56<eaudecologne>hehe yes :) very big manual ;)
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23:20<acu>is anybody awake in here ?
23:21<acu>I always installed squeze daily amd - however I wonder if the links for debian testing with squeze beta release installs the same content - or is different ?
23:23<sney>it installs the same content
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23:23<sney>beta2 just refers to the installer version
23:23<acu>sney - so the installer which is the above weekly snapshot is the one will be used in Debian Squeeze
23:23<sney>yes
23:24<acu>good illumination :) thanks
23:24<acu>I do not know why I always risk using daily installer, since it will not be the one installing the squeeze after all
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23:25<acu>Beaware of wolf
23:25<sney>cave canem
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23:25<BeowulfZohan>Evening all. I have an issue, I was wondering if someone might be able to help me with it please.
23:26<acu>that's too much latin at once
23:26<acu>Beowuf: just make your wolf song - we are all eyes and ears :)
23:27<acu>BeowulfZohan, just ask your question - this is not a tea party, it is a technical support channel
23:27<BeowulfZohan>To start: i'm fairly new to linux, but, i installed debian on an apple ibook, it installed fine, but when the desktop login comes up and i go to log in, the session terminates, and i get a message about it terminating less than 10 seconds blablabla, but the error log is empty
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23:28<acu>blabla bla may be important
23:28<acu>do you instal the debian alone in the ibook ?
23:28<acu>what debian did you install ?
23:28<acu>squeeze lenny, potato, etch ?
23:29<BeowulfZohan>"Your session only lasted less than 10 seconds. if you have not logged out yourself, this could mean that there is some installation problem or that you may be out of diskspace. try logging in with one of the failsafe sessions to see if you can fix this problem. View detaisl (~/.xsession-errors file)"
23:29<acu>voila
23:29<acu>did you login safe session ?
23:30<acu>and did a startX ?
23:30<acu>if it starts OK, means that you have allocated too less space for your debian - resintall it and give some partition space to /home too ?
23:30<BeowulfZohan>Debian 5? it was the Debian-507-powerpc-netinst.iso the only failsafe mode that worked was the termina, that i could log into
23:31<sney>hmm, an old powerpc ibook, how big is the hard drive?
23:31<BeowulfZohan>When i installed, i chose the option to use the entire disk, and that the home directory was not on a different partition
23:31<acu>BeowulfZohan, startX or startx - will start you GNOME as root - (the GUI interface)
23:31<BeowulfZohan>3.3 GB
23:32<sney>whoa, only 3.3GB? the whole drive?
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23:32<BeowulfZohan>yes, that's the whole drive
23:32<sney>at a console, type df -h
23:32<acu>BeowulfZohan, are you in Sudan (or where they split the country?) - I think you need more than that with GNOME
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23:32<acu>it will tell you the hard disk is used 100%
23:33<acu>or Nigeria
23:33<acu>some country
23:33<sney>what are you babbling about acu
23:33<acu>df -h
23:33<BeowulfZohan>sigh, yeah that's it.. 100% used
23:33<acu>BeowulfZohan, you need a bigger hard disk -
23:34<kop>BeowulfZohan: FYI. New to debian? type "/msg dpkg overview" in irc to find out about other available software.
23:34<sney>BeowulfZohan: basically, gnome is too big. reinstall, and don't select the graphical desktop; then you can install lxde, that should keep it reasonable
23:34<kop>BeowulfZohan: Type "aptitude clean" to free up some space.
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23:34<kop>BeowulfZohan: Who know if that will be enough.
23:35<kop>sney: The apt cache can take up "a lot" of space...
23:35<sney>kop: it can, but this is a fresh install
23:35<BeowulfZohan>aptitude clean: still 100% used.
23:35<kop>BeowulfZohan: sney clearly knows better than I.
23:36<BeowulfZohan>How much space does Gnome itself use? ie: without a desktop environment, how large is debian, do you know?
23:37<kop>BeowulfZohan: On small boxes I like to do an absolute minimal install. Then install xorg and whatever else I want on top of that. Don't forget to "aptitude clean" to clear out /var as you install.
23:37<BeowulfZohan>i actually managed to get ubunto 10.10 to install on this with 600 mb free, but it was slower than heck
23:37<twb>BeowulfZohan: a full gnome install is between 1GB and 2GB, I don't remember exactly where
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23:38<kop>BeowulfZohan: (There's a way to keep apt from caching installed packages, but that's for once you've got it working and should lack of disk become annoying.)
23:38<acu>BeowulfZohan, I run Debian Squeeze (http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ) on AMD64 base system and GNOME takes around 3.3 GB. but there is a swap partition of around 1.3 GB and some other stuff
23:39<kop>BeowulfZohan: The ppc sizes may be different. You're probably quite capable of having a reasonable system.
23:39<acu>BeowulfZohan, how much ram do you have ?
23:39<twb>IIRC last time I looked it was about 1.2 for XFCE, 1.6 for KDE and 1.8 for GNOME
23:40<BeowulfZohan>64MB of ram
23:40<acu>anyhow - you need some kind of swap file
23:40<twb>acu: I dispute that
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23:40<acu>BeowulfZohan, what do you want to run this system on - a kind of watch :)
23:40<acu>twb: I agree with you :)
23:40<kop>BeowulfZohan: I'd say you want lxde, or some other minimal desktop. www.xwinman.org may help you choose, or try them and see.
23:41<twb>Or no desktop at all, just tty
23:41<sney>or use windowmaker for that nexstep feel
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23:41<twb>!fight wm
23:41<twb>Hmph
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23:42<BeowulfZohan>well this ultimately isn't going to be for me, basically, if it can end up with a relatively windowy look, and be able to run, say, open office, and firefox..
23:42<BeowulfZohan>or some other browser.
23:42<techlow>how do I force version with apt-get?
23:42<BeowulfZohan>basically do what mac os 9.2 did
23:42<kop>techlow: You don't. You can put an installed package on hold though to prevent it from being updated.
23:42<acu>techlow: some kind of pinning - gurus will halb you
23:43<twb>BeowulfZohan: Linux uses an MMU, so it can't act like "classic" MacOS
23:43<acu>BeowulfZohan: 64 MB of Ram will be a big bottle nek
23:43<techlow>acu, I'm trying to download source but it downloads the most recent, jus want the source for the code I have installed
23:44<acu>techlow: I wish I tell you more - there is a pinning procedure - I donot remember
23:44<kop>techlow: You probably need to go straight to the archives and download it with http yourself.
23:44<acu>!pin
23:44<dpkg>rumour has it, pin is a small bolt, or ask me about <pinning>.
23:44<acu>!pinning
23:44<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences
23:44<techlow>kolter, it's not htere
23:44<kop>!snapshot
23:44<dpkg>http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412
23:44<techlow>ok I'll look
23:44<BeowulfZohan>What's an mmu? :-x
23:44<sneakers>is there a package I can install that will remove orphaned packages or any other like cruft?
23:45<kop>sneakers: They should go away automaticlly if nothing else depends on them.
23:46<kop>BeowulfZohan: You're going to have problems with "big" programs with 64M of RAM.
23:46<techlow>this is the advice I received a second ago from someone i asked
23:46<techlow>apt-get source libffado2
23:46<techlow>for other versions ( etc ), look to the debian archives. this package
23:46<techlow>looks to be in SVN, so use apt-get source to get the upstream SVN link
23:46<techlow>and work from there for tags.
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23:46<BeowulfZohan>Will it be able to handle a web browser and open office?
23:46<acu>I never used lxde - so it is faster than GNOME (of course KDE is the slowest of all) - but I have a bunch of systems which are old and with less rum
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23:47<techlow>whoops
23:47<techlow>sorry gang
23:47<kop>BeowulfZohan: If you have enough swap you can run anything, in an infinite amount of time. It's hard to say.
23:47<sney>lxde and wmaker are my go-to for small, low-ram systems
23:48<kop>I used lxde with lenny on 48M of ram. That worked fine, but it took forever to start any program on that box.
23:48<acu>BeowulfZohan, which country are you in ?
23:48<BeowulfZohan>United States
23:48<sneakers>anyone know something about pcmanfm?
23:48<techlow>sneakers, is that pulse audio?
23:48<sney>!anyone
23:48<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
23:49<sneakers>techlow, no its the file manager for the lxde environment
23:49<sney>BeowulfZohan: web browser sure, but probably not firefox - epiphany is a safe bet, as is chromium.
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23:49<techlow>i use that
23:49<kop>BeowulfZohan: You could always buy something used off ebay -- thinkpads always work.
23:50<sney>BeowulfZohan: I wouldn't get your hopes up for open office, though. But there are other word processing programs if that's all you need
23:50<sneakers>techlow, You use pcmanfm?
23:50<techlow>yea
23:50<sney>woot.com has a $350 thinkpad today. man, if I had $350 spare
23:50<acu>BeofulfZohan: most probably your Apple uses EDO ram - you should find plenty in some recycling centers - 64 MB of RAM will be to slow to call it functional
23:50<sneakers>techlow, Do you know how to make it open up by default to a view of the Computer? Like this for example: http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/2672/computerw.png
23:51<BeowulfZohan>It's pc133, so yes, i could/should probably find more. and a 300MHz processor.
23:52<techlow>mine already does, but instead of what you want, it lists em in a toolbar on the left and my home folder in the main
23:52<sneakers>techlow, yea I dont mind if they are in a toolbar on the left
23:52<BeowulfZohan>Ok, Thanks all. I'll look into lxde and the other whatnots y'all said. Thanks.
23:52<sneakers>techlow, how do I make it do that?
23:53<sneakers>techlow, I have the box checked to automatically mount drives on program start. Maybe I am missing some package? Do I need hal or fuse or something else?
23:53<acu>BeowulfZohan, welcome
23:54<techlow>you, I don't really know much about it, this is the third day I've used debian what-so-ever
23:54<techlow>and lxde for that matter
23:54<sneakers>Okay general Debian question then. What packages do I need so that pcmanfm when it starts will automatically mount all available drives?
23:54<techlow>I'll look for the initiation sequence, but that's about all i can do
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23:56<techlow>sneakers, did you check >>preferences>>volume management>> check "show available options for removable media when they are inserted"
23:57<sneakers>techlow, Yep
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23:58<techlow>sneakers, do you know what config file I should look for?
23:59<sneakers>no clue
23:59<techlow>found it
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