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---Logopened Thu Jan 13 00:00:23 2011
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00:01<jthill>does "xrandr 2>&-" hang for anyone but me?
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00:05<foormea>hi people
00:06<sney>hi
00:07<foormea>i just installed a debian lenny. i don't understand: i have a synaptics touchpad. there is a file in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/ for my touchpad, with an override that i put in /etc/hal/fdi/policy. this works with ubuntu and gentoo. but here with debian, the fdi file seems not to be read, instead i need to change settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
00:08<foormea>that's fine for me as long as i get the results, but i just don't understand
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00:09<foormea>does it have somethign to do with the version of X that lenny uses?
00:12<James0>hmm. could be. ubuntu is using X v7.5 now, so is Debian Squeeze. but lenny had X v7.3...of course i'd be curious to know if this override worked as expected in squeeze...
00:13<James0>no info in /var/log/X.org* ?
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00:14<foormea>well
00:14<foormea>if i don't modify my xorg.conf, synclient returns "shmconfig disabled"
00:14<foormea>if i enable it in xorg.conf but don't pass any options to it, synclient works but options are not passed to it via hal
00:15<foormea>now gonna reload my X with options in xorg.conf, should work, i'll let you know. give me 2 mn :)
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00:15<foormea>as for /var/log/X.org, no revolutionary info in there ^^
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00:16<foormea>brb, thanks for your input
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00:16<foormea>back
00:16<foormea>works like a charm with options in xorg.conf
00:17<foormea>i guess this X is too old to get options passed via hal? could it be? i don't know much about these things
00:17<James0>i never needed to pass any extra options, my lenny is a thinkpad and i only use the clitmouse
00:17<James0>but my testing machine (squeeze) is here, too - an elderly dell with a touchpad.
00:18<James0>so i don't know too much about hal changes.
00:18<foormea>okay
00:18<foormea>gosh it feels SO GOOD to be back under kde 3.x
00:18<foormea>my laptop is almost 4 years old
00:18<James0>kde 4 bog it down?
00:18<foormea>i was under gentoo with kde4, was becoming... crazy
00:19<jthill>"xrandr 2>&-" hangs for me, but "xrandr 2>/dev/null" doesn't. someone else on squeeze try this please?
00:19<foormea>and i got kinda pissed off at gentoo's rare but existing issues (suddenly, nothing compiles and you need to repair some stuff)
00:19<foormea>anyway thanks James0. sorry jthill i'm on lenny
00:20<James0>jthill: i'd love to check it but i'm on 10.10 right now with scads of windows open. can't reboot right now...
00:20<jthill>mm. curious, try it anyway? I ask because someone on ubuntu says it doesn't hang for them
00:20<jthill>trying to figure where or whether to file a bug
00:20<James0>does it just hang the terminal? i'll give it a shot
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00:21<jthill>yes, just the terminal
00:21<James0>ok, i can handle that :)
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00:23*jthill waits with bated breath
00:24<James0>ok. it hangs. Ubuntu 10.10
00:25<James0>but i don't understand. is 2>&- supposed to dump stderr to stdout? the same as 2>&1?
00:25<James0>this is my "error" that wasn't appearing:
00:25<James0>xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
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00:26<James0>fwiw i tried the same thing with `cat /tmp/file 2>&-', the error is suppressed but the cmd doesn't hang
00:27<jthill>2>&- closes fd 2
00:28<James0>so it should just shut up silently?
00:28<jthill>I started doing that 'cause it's faster to type than 2>/dev/null, xrandr is the first thing I've ever seen misbehave w/ it
00:28<jthill>yes
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00:30<James0>well, more info. just tested on different machines: lenny, it doesn't hang. ubuntu 10.04, doesn't hang. so if it's happening for you on squeeze and me on 10.10, you might be on to something...
00:30<James0>i'm going to write it down on a pad so i can try it tomorrow on squeeze. might be a good idea to file that bug.
00:31<jthill>thank you! I have only squeeze available.
00:31*jthill ... guesses he should probably fetch some livecds
00:31<kop>jthill: If it's doing it in squeeze, file a bug.
00:32<kop>!tel jthill about reportbug
00:32<jthill>yah, have it up now
00:32<zem>xrandr 2>&- doesn't do anything here
00:32<jthill>no output, no hang?
00:32<jthill>no output is weird.
00:33<zem>no output, i can type in but nothin hapens and ^C quits
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00:33<jthill>that's the hang. what release please?
00:34<zem>2.6.32-5-686
00:34<jthill>squeeze. thank you zem
00:34<zem>np
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00:45<foormea>hey, regarding repos, i have a nvidia card and i want to install nvidia drivers. i'm not finding nvidia-kernel-* as documented in the wiki, do i need an extra repo?
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00:46<sney>foormea: yep, you need to add contrib and non-free
00:46<foormea>thanks sney i'll look into that. would you please have a wiki for common additional repos?
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00:47<sney>the only official one is backports, the rest you'll have to find on your own time. and 'contrib non-free' just adds to the end of your main repo line and you're good to go
00:47<foormea>thanks sney
00:48<sney>no problem
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00:51<jthill>all hail git bisect
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01:31<Guest69>does anyone know the mplayer help channel?
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01:39<jester45>Guest69: #mplayer on irc.freenode.net
01:39<Guest69>jester45: thank you
01:40<Guest69>jester45: we are on irc.freenode.net right now correct?
01:40<mothermcfucker>no
01:40<mothermcfucker>this is oftc
01:40<jester45>nope this is oftc.net
01:42<mothermcfucker>wow
01:42<mothermcfucker>deja vu
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01:48<kristian>hi all
01:48<kristian>I hope someone can help me
01:49<jester45>!ask
01:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
01:50<kristian>I made a custom install of Squeeze + LXDE on a computer for a friend... I need to have shown available wifi connections at all times when the tray applet for network is clicked
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01:56<kristian>I was using NetworkManager but switched to WICD... same thing
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02:04<kristian>also, when I plug in the ethernet cable, I have to manually enter "eth0" to switch to it... this is okay for me, but not the end user
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02:10<James0>kristian: i've not used wicd, only heard of it. however networkmanager by default seems to prefer wired connections, when i plug in my cabled connection networkmanager switches. i've never needed to make any adjustments. maybe wicd has a conffile in /etc??
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02:14<kristian>James0: looking into that
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02:17<kristian>I seem to have borked my /etc/network/interfaces... following the wicd tutorial for it now
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02:18<kristian>which manager is used is not essential, but this is going to be a "travelling computer", so an easy listing of wifi access points is essential
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02:20<James0>i used to use /etc/network/interfaces all the time...since network-manager i haven't had to touch it!
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02:21<zem>nm has an easy listing of wifi aps, so where is the problem?
02:21<James0>i'd go with network-manager unless you have a reason not to. for me, it's great on my debian systems, and seems to work awesome on knoppix 6 with lxde and nm-applet down in the tray. click it once, and the whole long list of wireless networks in range is displayed, including which ones need a password and which ones don't. it's perfect for a traveling computer, and easy for a non-technical user
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02:46<kristian>I just discovered that my file system is borked, that might have something (or a lot) to do with it
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02:46<kristian>:/
02:46<faheem>can anyone tell me the difference between mount -o bind and mount --bind?
02:46<faheem>if any
02:46<kristian>unfortunately, I have to leave soon
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02:52<weping>最近有什么新软件吗
02:52<jm_>!cn
02:52<dpkg>from memory, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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02:53<weping>英文不太好有会说中文的吗
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02:58<sweet>i want to connect two webcam is that any program..with out internet..only via wi-fi..
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03:01<sweet>how to know my system configuration in debian
03:01<sweet>by command
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03:05<prock>たばらまらた
03:05<prock>八幡はや釜は地
03:05<prock>Hi
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03:35<junkionlwreklgar>how can one determine if the 3d-graphics are enabled and working?
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03:35<jm_>depends on card
03:36<junkionlwreklgar>please continue
03:36<jm_>why don't you specify your card instead
03:36<junkionlwreklgar>nvidia
03:36<junkionlwreklgar>9800
03:36<mjr_>glxinfo's renderer string would probably tell something
03:37<jm_>glxinfo|grep vendor
03:37<jm_>heh
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03:37<kristian>junkionlwreklgar: try running glxgears
03:38<junkionlwreklgar>working
03:38<kristian>junkionlwreklgar: that indicates that you're good
03:39<junkionlwreklgar>trying to run celestia and it's slow in comparison to another distro
03:39<junkionlwreklgar>is there something that needs to be configured?
03:39<kristian>possibly... I have to go soon, sorry
03:39<junkionlwreklgar>with the graphics settings?
03:39<jm_>why don't you tell us what that glxinfo ... command says?
03:40<junkionlwreklgar>http://pastebin.com/kAbw4ZRv
03:41<jm_>you need to install nvidia binary driver
03:41<jm_>!nvidia
03:41<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
03:41<jm_>read the docs on the wiki page
03:41<junkionlwreklgar>http://pastebin.com/JHELHqpA
03:42<junkionlwreklgar>!nvidia - event not found
03:42<jm_>open this page in a http browser -- http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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03:47<junkionlwreklgar>@jm_ @dpkg is it possible to get compiz to work with what is presently set up?
03:47<jm_>junkionlwreklgar: not sure what its requirements are, but even if you do, it will be terribly slow since you're using software renderer
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03:50<kenyon>!tell junkionlwreklgar about @
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03:53<mansi>hello friends, i need the name of gsm modems with dual sim, compatible in Debian. Any suggestions please.
03:53<junkionlwreklgar>any thoughts about running mint with debian?
03:53<mansi>I need to setup some sms services
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03:54<jm_>junkionlwreklgar: not really, maybe try asking in the mint channel
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04:01<mansi>Anyone regarding good GSM modems supported in Debian
04:01<mansi>Preferably dual sim
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04:10<s4br3>Hi, I have some serious performance issues with my new 2TB Seagate HD. It has worked fine for a few weeks, but recently every now and then I get 100% CPU while I hear a noise from the HD as if the 'disk arm' is readjusting. Meanwhile it may take even a minute for Deolphin to show the content of the root directory of this /dev/sdb. The main system is on an SDD.
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04:11<s4br3>Now, when running Amarok, I saw something called 'disk sleep' for the fist time. My mp3 are on the 2TB.
04:11<junkionlwreklgar>use gparted and run a disk scan
04:12<s4br3>junkionlwreklgar: Is the Partitionmanager a KDE equivalent?
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04:13<jm_>s4br3: perhaps the disk goes to sleep
04:13<junkionlwreklgar>gparted is written for gnome but shouldn't matter
04:13<s4br3>jm_: What is that?!
04:13<jm_>s4br3: uhh? power saving feature
04:14<s4br3>Hmmm. I guessed so. I tried to use noapm as a boot parameter, but that didn't stop it
04:14<junkionlwreklgar>nm - don't use gparted
04:15<jm_>apm is for the system, not for a disk
04:15<junkionlwreklgar>is the hd connected via usb?
04:15<s4br3>ok, is there a way to turn off 'sleep' for a particular disk?
04:15<jm_>sure, see hdparm
04:15<s4br3>junkionlwreklgar: no, it is an internal
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04:16<s4br3>jm_: would I need to do it on a per partition or for an entire physical disk?
04:16<junkionlwreklgar>are there settings in bios which effect power saving for hd's?
04:17<s4br3>junkionlwreklgar: I haven't checked that. Thanks for the info!
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04:17<jm_>s4br3: disk
04:17<jm_>s4br3: see -C switch, it apparently can tell you the mode it's in
04:19<s4br3>jm_: "drive state is: active/idle"
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04:19<jm_>s4br3: run it when you see that happen, or slightly before that if you can
04:20<s4br3>It typically happens when I open up Dolphin to check that disk
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04:21<s4br3>Hah! the hdparm -Z reads "Disable Seagate auto-powersaving mode"
04:21<junkionlwreklgar>jm_: is there a way to run it on a loop then look at a log file after a given amount of time?
04:22<s4br3>jm_: Do you think that could be it?
04:24<jm_>junkionlwreklgar: sure
04:24<junkionlwreklgar>how?
04:24<s4br3>Ok. When i try it I get "HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(seagatepwrsave) failed: Input/output error"
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04:24<jm_>s4br3: that switch says it's for seagate ST3xxx drives, old ones it seems
04:25<jm_>while true; do command ....; sleep 30; done >mylog.txt 2>&1
04:25<erez>Hey all, I'm having a problem connecting via wireless to a WPA secured network, but no problems with eithr unsecured or WEP networks, any ideas?
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04:26<jm_>s4br3: but if it goes into idle mode and you don't want it, -S should help
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04:31<junkionlwreklgar>jm_: does debian have any information on drive management?
04:32<s4br3>jm_: If I don't specify a number I get "-S: bad/missing standby-interval value (0..255)
04:32<s4br3>"
04:33<s4br3>ok, zero
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04:33<jm_>junkionlwreklgar: what kind of information?
04:33<s4br3>Will I need to reboot to see an effect?
04:34<jm_>s4br3: no
04:34<Chill-k>no
04:34<jm_>in fact, it will lose this setting after a reboot
04:34<s4br3>Hmmmm :)
04:34<s4br3>Where can I set it permanently?!
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04:35<junkionlwreklgar>as an example - for people who do multimedia; are constantly writing and reading from one particular drive
04:35<Chill-k>in /etc/hdparm.conf /etc/default/hdparm you can see all command and state.
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04:35<s4br3>Chill-k: thanks!
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04:36<Chill-k>-S 255 it's disable
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04:36<junkionlwreklgar>after a time period the drive is unreadable but can be formatted and is working again
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04:38<s4br3>Chill-k: What?! man says "A value of zero means "timeouts are disabled": the device will not automatically enter standby mode."
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04:41<Chill-k>my dev. APM=yes (disable 255)
04:41<Chill-k>seems -S 0 =Auto 1-254 manual selection
04:42<mib_ahdy7r> any idea on sqeeze release date? I have 6.0 in debian_version folder
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04:43<TIPS>no idea
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04:44<mib_ahdy7r>it has to be close if testing has changed to 6.0 in the /etc/debian_version folder
04:45<jm_>mib_ahdy7r: when bugs are fixed
04:46<s4br3>Chill-k: Very strange. in my man hdparm a value of 255 says "255 is interpreted as 21 minutes plus 15 seconds. "
04:46<mib_ahdy7r>sorry about breaking topic.
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04:48<Chill-k>s4br3: means I was wrong. Try turning off in the BIOS.
04:48<s4br3>ok, I'll reboot and check there too
04:48<s4br3>thanks for all help!
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05:00<junkionlwreklgar>is there a way to change the terminal settings to transparent? need to see text directly behind the window
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05:01<muep>can not just move the window?
05:02<junkionlwreklgar>muep: no
05:02<muep>most compositing window managers let you adjust any window's transparency
05:03<muep>but how do so depends on what window manager you are using
05:03<junkionlwreklgar>it's transparent but only to the desktop
05:03<junkionlwreklgar>please continue
05:03<muep>yeah, that kind of pseudo transparency does not require a compositing window manager
05:04<junkionlwreklgar>so is it related to compiz or something else?
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05:05<muep>compiz is one of the best known compositing window managers, but not the only one
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05:06<junkionlwreklgar>where does the problem lie, in the window manager or someplace else?
05:06<muep>if you were running compiz, if could be at least configured to allow setting the transparency of any window
05:06<muep>doing it in the window manager is probably the easiest way
05:08<junkionlwreklgar>ok is compiz a window manager? it's installed default on the system.
05:08<muep>compiz is a window manager
05:08<muep>are you using it already?
05:08<junkionlwreklgar>there is nothing enabled in it
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05:10<nakliyat>merhaba
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05:11<junkionlwreklgar>still can't get it transparent to windows behind it
05:13<muep>you may need to configure compiz a bit to enable the feature that allows you to control window transparency manually
05:13<muep>I do not use compiz myself, so someone else is probably more qualified to instruct how to do so
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05:24<dominick>Hi! Any idea how much time I should wait for squeeze to become officially stable?
05:25<zem>until release date
05:25<dominick>is there a release date yet?
05:25<zem>nope, at least as far as i know
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05:27<dominick>Squeeze's been five months since frozen. Wonder how much more I must wait.
05:27<junkionlwreklgar>muep: are you there?
05:27<dominick>My company is releasing a product on debian. They are obsessed with stable releases.
05:28<MeglaW>god
05:28<MeglaW>good
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05:29<ml|>dominick: usually after all rc bugs are fixed, next stable is released; /msg dpkg rc bugs , to get some idea
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05:36<sign>有人么
05:37<sign>我是刚刚用IRC 的
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05:38<dominick>ml|, wow! that was awesome. I think I can show the list RC bugs concerning the next release and how they do not influence our product in my next presentation. Although this requires quite some research from the lab.
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05:44<twb>Opinion time! If I have an LXC server "alpha" and a container "omega", should I set omega's /etc/debian_chroot to, say, "lxc" (or "alpha") -- or not?
05:44<twb>The idea being that it reminds people who ssh into omega that they're in a domU
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05:53<junkionlwreklgar>trying to change the terminal transparency so that it's transparent to all windows
05:54<EmleyMoor>I am trying to build glib-1.2.10 on squeeze, amd64, but trying to configure it fails due to it not recognising x86_64-unknown. Any easy way to fix that?
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06:07<zxd>what's the difference between cdebootstrap and debootstrap
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06:11<twb>zxd: c
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06:12<twb>zxd: seriously, debootstrap is written in bash and needs to run on non-Debian systems; cdebootstrap is written in C and is faster (at least in theory) and can assume it's running on Debian.
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06:14<zxd>twb, ok
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06:27<axegee>I can't play mp3/flac/xvid/mkv
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06:28<axegee>playing audio files from rhythmbox gives me a audiosink bin1 not configured properly
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06:28<axegee>more like "Configured audosink bin1 is not working"
06:28<axegee>Playing for the first time, gives me "No URI set"
06:30<axegee>I apparently have all gstreamer0.10 packages
06:31<twb>Is your user in the audio group?
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06:42<axegee>twb: i'm not sure
06:42<axegee>twb: how?
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06:42<twb>What does "groups" report?
06:45<babilen>… the names of the groups your user belongs to
06:45<twb>babilen: that was to axegee
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06:46<axegee>twb: it does have audio
06:46<twb>OK
06:46<axegee>and video
06:46<axegee>as well
06:46<axegee>can't play either
06:47<axegee>otoh, i have some conflicts with gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad
06:47<axegee>http://pastie.org/private/d5zcdt5iuety9nrjw0brw
06:47<axegee>sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10 gives me that, at the end
06:47<jm_>do you have some wird .asoundrc file?
06:48<jm_>weird
06:48<axegee>nope
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06:49<jm_>does aplay work?
06:49<axegee>http://pastie.org/private/d5zcdt5iuety9nrjw0brw
06:50<jm_>do you have ~/.asoundrc file?
06:51<axegee>no, i don't
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06:53<jm_>hmm what does aplay show if you add -v switch?
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06:53<axegee>same
06:53<axegee>nothing more
06:53<jm_>try to specify some .wav file or somesuch
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06:54<axegee>mp3/flac would do?
06:54<jm_>well it will sound like crap if it will work :)
06:56<axegee>jm_: same
06:57<twb>Where "crap" = line noise
06:57<axegee>yeah, but
06:57<jm_>axegee: you mean it doesn't mention stuff like Plug PCM, Slave:, Hardware ... ?
06:57<axegee>who keeps .wav files anyway :)
06:57<axegee>jm_: with aplay -v <soundfile> right?
06:57<twb>axegee: yeah, everyone I know uses .au
06:58<jm_>axegee: yup
06:58<twb>.wav is for Windows losers
06:58<axegee>jm_: yeah, the same two lines as in the pastie
06:58<jm_>axegee: wtf
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06:59<jm_>axegee: do you see anything in /proc/asound/cards?
07:00<axegee>jm_: yeah, http://pastie.org/private/d5zcdt5iuety9nrjw0brw
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07:00<axegee>I'm on 1
07:00<jm_>axegee: looks fine
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07:05<axegee>any sample ogg files in the system?
07:05<axegee>(no sound with flash either)
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07:05<jm_>look in /usr/share/games
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07:06<jm_>one other option I could think of is some app using HW device for sound
07:07<nthykier>Hey, do anyone know how well an nVidia G210 works on a 64bit system? I have seen quite a few reports of crashes, but they appear to be a couple of months old
07:08<jm_>GT 230 works fine here
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07:09<kyentei>Hmm... I'm sure there is an option to not show icons in nautilus, or other gtk/gnome applications.. such as gparted
07:10<kyentei>Just text-only.
07:10<kyentei>But I can't seem to find that option anywhere anymore.
07:12<axegee>jm_: the totem movie player can play audio files right?
07:13<jm_>axegee: to be honest I have no idea, descriptions does hint at it
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07:15<mjr_>it can
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07:15<axegee>jm_: so. I opened up gstreamer-properties
07:16<axegee>the plugin was set to autodetect, and the test didn't work
07:16<axegee>i changed it to ALSA and some ALC662 rev1 Analog device
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07:16<axegee>and I get that crackling beep
07:17<axegee>ALC662 rev1 Digital gives me nothing, but it's not failing either
07:17<axegee>but still no sound
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07:29<egonw>when I try to install linux-image-2.6.37-trunk-686-bigmem and matching headers on my squeeze installation it says it depends on the virtual package linux-kbuild-2.6.37 which does not seem available... what am I doing wrong? (btw, I was also expecting a matching linux-modules package, which does not seem there....)
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07:31<gsimmons>dpkg: tell egonw -about linux-kbuild
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07:33<egonw>gsimmons: but linux-kbuild-2.6 does not provide the -2.6.37 virtual pkg ... ?? what .deb does provide that virtual package instead?
07:33<jm_>egonw: read the web page dpkg told you about
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07:34<egonw>so, the point is there is a 686-bigmem binary but I am still supposed to compile from source??
07:34<classical>hey ppl how can i get system information on debian 3.1 ? there is no dmidecode or lshw
07:34<ichdasich>classical: wtf? sarge?
07:35<classical>yep
07:35<ichdasich>classical: cat /proc/cpuinfo
07:35<ichdasich>cat /proc/meminfo
07:35<classical>its only a cpu
07:35<jm_>lspci
07:35<classical>i want mobo
07:35<ichdasich>fdisk -l
07:35<jm_>cat /proc/pci
07:35<jm_>probably easier to boot something like grml
07:35<devil_>classical: apt-get install lshw
07:36<classical>devil_, it does not have a global ip and internet its a local server :-
07:36<classical>devil_, it does not have a global ip and internet its a local server :-D*
07:36<devil_>there is usb-pens
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07:38<classical>how can i get a motherboard model ?
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07:38<classical>and there is no pci under proc
07:39<xav>open casing and look inside ;) I think there is no other way
07:39<classical>xav, lshw and dmidecode gets info from kernel
07:40<jm_>not really
07:40<classical>jm_, how does lshw works than ?
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07:41<jm_>classical: it gets info from several sources
07:42<jm_>classical: grml includes hw detection tool
07:42<xav>hm, it looks like it gets something, but... description: Motherboard, product: INVALID
07:43<xav>but motherboard serial reads properly
07:44<classical>what about usb-pen ?
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07:45<babilen>egonw: If it has not yet become clear: Read "The story of linux-kbuild-2.6" on http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage
07:45<babilen>egonw: That will give you a linux-kbuild for the 37 kernel
07:47<egonw>babilen: yeah, following those instructions now... just feels weird... having to work with the kernel sources, when there already are binary .deb ... the silence after my comment was enough to make me feel stupid and just try :)
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07:49<egonw>ok, following those instructions gives me a bad orig/linux-kbuild-foo, listing 2.6.36
07:49<egonw>I assume I need to change some version number other than $VERSION
07:49<egonw>like updating the debian/changelog
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07:50<egonw>(which is not in the "The story of linux-kbuild-2.6" story, if I may be so frank
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07:50<babilen>egonw: Last time I tried that I was doing it for 2.6.36 from experimental and it worked fine.
07:50<babilen>you may :)
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07:51<egonw>dch to bump the version number?
07:51<egonw>that's just the -X number, right?
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07:51<egonw>ok, booting nano instead :)
07:51<babilen>booting nano?
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07:51<egonw>nano debian/changelog
07:52<babilen>no, use dch -- it will take care of a couple of things (and launch you $EDITOR anyway)
07:52<babilen>s/you/your
07:52<twb>Hear, hear
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07:55<egonw>ok, now genorig.py behaves
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07:59<egonw>ok, thanx, that worked... one last thing... should I worry about not having a matching linux-modules .deb? or should I compile those myself too?
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07:59<egonw>babilen: gsimmons jm_: thanx
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08:05<hever>Is it possible to create a RAID 1 mdadm based softraid, but that reads as RAID 0?
08:05<twb>No
08:05<twb>Unless you mean an unstriped (concatenative) RAID0, or a RAID1+0 or 0+1, or something...
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08:13<hever>twb, hmm I read that it's possible to set up a RAID 1 software raid and write data mirrored in the RAID 1 way. But it's possible to read data from all disks, without integrity checks to improve the performance. This sounds very useful... So this is just not possible with mdadm?
08:14<twb>I've never heard of such a thing.
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08:15<twb>Obviously a RAID1 array can perform reads against any of its nodes – that's automatic.
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08:15<hever>hmm... ok. but at least it sounds good. perhaps some propritary software supports this...
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08:16<hever>twb, but using mdadm isn't a integrity check the default ?
08:16<twb>I suppose so.
08:16<twb>mdadm is able to notice when the array falls out of sync.
08:16<hever>twb, means it reads from all disks and checks the integrity of all..
08:16<mjr>I don't think so, if you mean to ask if it reads the data from both
08:16<twb>hever: no, it doesn't do that.
08:17<mjr>usually periodic checks are run though
08:17<mjr>(and you can initiate a check manually through some echo > sys/proc/whatever
08:17<hever>hmm ok. but it reads a whole file just from one disk?
08:18<hever>and another perhaps from another?
08:18<hever>so it could read two files parallely?
08:18<twb>I assume it's block-oriented
08:18<twb>mdadm isn't a filesystem, it has no concept of files
08:19<mjr>it's block-oriented. Otherwise I'm not sure how it schedules its reads, but one would assume that both disks were utilized.
08:20<hever>hmm.... wouldn't that be reading like RAID 0 ?
08:20<twb>No, RAID0 only stores one copy of the data
08:21<mjr>the stripes in raid 0 allow for faster streaming reading, can't really do that with raid-1
08:21<twb>So if all requested blocks happen to be on node 0, you'll be bottlenecked on the node 0 channel
08:21<hever>twb, but over n disks
08:21<twb>I weary of this discussion.
08:21<mjr>is the scheduler is smart, it can reduce access latency with a raid-1 setup by using both drives for reading
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08:21<mjr>but, what twb said
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08:23<hever>mjr, but why not? with raid 1 all data are on disk 1 and 2. So it could read some parts from disk one and others from disk two, what increases the speed.
08:23<hever>mjr, that sounds like raid 0 reading or am I misunderstanding something ?
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08:25<mjr>for streaming reading, the stripes are pretty much necessary for the performance boost, since they allow both drives to continuously work on the reading and both are reading non-redundant data. If you do the same on a mirror drive, the disk will spin over the same data on both anyway, not really speeding things up any even if you actually make alternating requests
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08:30<hever>mjr, aah ok thank you, that makes sense.
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08:31<Lantizia>Lo, should anything that can decode mp3 be in debian main? or is that not a problem any more?
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08:40<ansgar>Lantizia: Hasn't only encoding ever been a problem?
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08:41<Lantizia>ansgar, I thought decoding was too
08:42<babilen>Lantizia: For encoding you need some lame package from debian multimedia (e.g. the gstreamer*lame*) -- /msg dpkg dmm -- I never had decoding problems though
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08:43<Lantizia>babilen, I already know about LAME. There were some legal issues with decoding or distro's like debian or ubuntu would have the "out of box" ability to play them just as much as vorbis
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09:11<Lantizia>So does anyone have any ideas about this?
09:11<Lantizia>I see libmad0 is in main, but surely this shouldn't be in main as it decodes mp3... ?!?!?!
09:11<babilen>Lantizia: For encoding you need some lame package from debian multimedia (e.g. the gstreamer*lame*) -- /msg dpkg dmm -- I never had decoding problems though
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09:12<babilen>Lantizia: Didn't you get that before?
09:12<Lantizia>yeah I did and I responded but you went offline
09:12<Lantizia>and (AGAIN) and I'm not talking about encoding, I'm talking about decoding
09:12<Lantizia><Lantizia> babilen, I already know about LAME. There were some legal issues with decoding or distro's like debian or ubuntu would have the "out of box" ability to play them just as much as vorbis
09:13<babilen>ah, thanks :)
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09:13<test>hiho Guys
09:13<babilen>I never had problems decoding mp3 -- You should have all the gstreamer*-plugins-* packages installed (for e.g. rhythmbox, banshee, ...) or use vlc, or whatev
09:14<Lantizia>babilen, you don't get mp3 playback format
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09:14<babilen>I don't?
09:15<babilen>Which media player do you use?
09:16<test>i have a problem here, someone knows how to install a bitlbee server (Xchat)
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09:18<test>i have a problem here, someone knows how to install a bitlbee server (Xchat)
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09:18<test>???
09:19<twb>test: plonk
09:20<imganquan>[3~
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09:21<babilen>test: "aptitude install bitlbee" and read /usr/share/doc/bitlbee/README.Debian
09:22<babilen>!tell test -about search
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09:23<babilen>test: You connect to your locally running server and setup your account(s)
09:23<test>thank you
09:23<babilen>You are welcome
09:24<Lantizia>babilen, CD1 doesn't give you any library or program that can play back mp3
09:24<Lantizia>i don't think any of the CD's do
09:24<Lantizia>it's meant to be that way I'm sure of it
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09:24<Lantizia>http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/why-linux-dont-support-mp3-and-selected-wifi-cards-out-of-the-box.html
09:24<babilen>test: Ah, the README.Debian is not explaining how to configure bitlbee -- check the docs at http://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/extdoc.html
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10:09<WaVeS>I'm trying to install Debian from USB how do I get around "Detect and mount CD-ROM"
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10:09<dvs>Put an ISO image on the USB drive?
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10:11<WaVeS>Yes, with Unetbootin
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10:11<babilen>the ISO file itself *not* the files contained therein ...
10:11<babilen>!usb install
10:11<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
10:12<WaVeS>Thanks.
10:12<babilen>WaVeS: Don't you just select an ISO in unetbootin? (I never used it, but that was my impression)
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10:23<sret>so
10:23<sret>i finally managed to mess up my xorg conf
10:23<sret>lol
10:23<sret>and gdm failed
10:23<sret>i think i kinda learnt about xorg more with the crash
10:24<sret>and learnt vi too a lil bit from this lil incident
10:24*sret grins
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10:24<sret>hi babilen
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10:27<babilen>o/
10:28<sret>hehe
10:28<sret>kinda played with vi last night
10:28<sret>major crash with xorg while installing compiz
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10:29<sret>only later did i realise we didnt hve to manually do it anymore
10:29<sret>compiz is a lot of fun
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10:45<lau>is debconf still asking for maintainer conf file version against locally updated one while aptitude upgrading with DEBCONF_FRONTEND=noninterractive ?
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10:46<babilen>sret: "vimtutor" -- have fun!
10:46<sret>babilen: yeah its harder than nano
10:47<sret>but i used vi from tty
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10:47<sret>when xorg.conf crashed
10:47<rpetre>sret: after a while using it you find out that everithing else is way harder
10:47<sret>rpetre: we'll see
10:47<sret>:P
10:47<rpetre>"how can they live with nano?"
10:47<nardev>HI, i have one bluetooth GPS receiver, can anyone suggest or help me find program/specifications or c/c++ library how to communicate with that device? Actually i would love to communicate with it from shell.
10:47<sret>you know whats hard?
10:47<sret>trying to get flash to install in debian
10:47<sret>BUT
10:47<sret>i did it!
10:48<rpetre>sret: it's point and click these days
10:48<sret>to install flash rpetre ?
10:48<sret>no way
10:48<rpetre>aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree or something like it
10:48<rpetre>yup
10:48<sret>yeah but flasplugin as i understand installs old stuff from lenny2
10:48<sret>my flash works now
10:48<rpetre>one package install and one browser restart later, and it just works
10:48<sret>removed 9 and updated to 10 using flashplugin non free
10:48<sret>but the problem arises in update manager
10:49<sret>some libs used by flash need updating and i think if you do update those, flash isnt going to work
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10:49<jordanm>yep, libgtk2.0 from backports
10:49<sret>i got like 13 updates now
10:49<jordanm>I believe the maintainer fixed the depends after I reported the bug though
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10:49<sret>and im not sure if i sohuld, because i think those depend on flash and flash wont work
10:50<sret>yeah jordanm mostly libgtk stuff
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10:51<sret>its interesting to see workarounds to get things working on linux
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10:51<jordanm>sret: it shouldn't require any work arounds
10:51<jordanm>debian packages are designed to work
10:52<sret>jordanm: are you saying i should update now that flash 10 is installed and i wont have issues?
10:52<jordanm>sret: when you install the flashplugin-nonfree package it grabs the latest version
10:53<sret>ok the ones for update are not gtk
10:53<sret>its libavcode
10:53<sret>libacformat
10:53<sret>a bunch of libav stuff
10:53<sret>4 files
10:54<sret>all these libs are of the version lenny1 from the looks of it
10:55<sret>if upgraded would be 0.3lenny2
10:55<jordanm>sret: aptitude full-upgrade
10:55<jordanm>flash needs to be upgraded with a "reinstall" because of the way it downloads from upstream
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10:57<sret>but im using flash 10
10:57<sret>thats the latest
10:57<sret>ok updated
10:57<sret>done
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10:59<sret>ok works i guess
10:59<sret>thanks
10:59<sret>:D
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10:59<sret>babilen: btw i have epic4 installed
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11:00<sret>wb jordanm , thanksi upgraded
11:00<sret>babilen: its almost the same or infact better than irssi if you ask me
11:00<sret>you can customise it a lot
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11:02<sret>epic5 is better but i think epic4 with some reasonable scripting is pretty friggin awesome
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11:10<lau>I am trying to automate aptitude -q -y full-upgrade process for remote hosts
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11:10<lau>I DEBCONF_FRONTEND=noninterractive aptitude -q -y full-upgrade
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11:11<lau>but I don't exactly understand how DEBCONF_FRONTEND works , can you detail please ?
11:11<lau>will the dpkg query about maintainer conf file versions overrinding locally updated ones still raise ?
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11:25<nof0ld>anybody use a macbook with debian, here?
11:27<cahoot>!anybody
11:27<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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11:31<datacrusher>!smart questions
11:31<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
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11:54<hever>Can Pound forward SSL Traffic just to another server without decoding or doing anything with it?
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12:11<war>hey
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12:11<war>anyone here??
12:12<f8l>war: No. ;-)
12:12<retrospectacus>hundreds of us
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12:13<war>backtack4-partion is full
12:13<cahoot>!bt4
12:13<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
12:13<war>lame
12:13<cahoot>true
12:13<war>iso iso iso
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12:16<sney>aww, we didn't get to use !bt4-magic
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12:18<retrospectacus>why go to IRC for help with "backtack4-partion is full" anyways
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12:19<bee>hey
12:19<retrospectacus>hi
12:19<cahoot>wasn't it just a declaration of a fact?
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12:19<jordanm>retrospectacus: I get that crap at work. tell a customer they are out of disk space and they ask "well, how do I fix it?" hehe
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12:20<retrospectacus>lol...
12:20<sney>kids read some million year old howto about disk space, they give 1GB to everything and then leave the rest for /home
12:20<sney>'waaah /usr is full'
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12:21<jordanm>thats why everyone should use LVM without fully allocating the vg :)
12:22<jordanm>I actually extended my ext3 /home the other day *while* writting a lot of data to the drive just to see how it did. the operation took longer but everything seems to be good
12:23-!-xAKPxplaymate08 [~xAKPxplay@99-63-156-159.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
12:24<sney>I just use the whole disk and back up any important stuff
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12:25<xAKPxplaymate08>Hey
12:25<retrospectacus>I like to keep /home separate so I can install a new OS and use the same /home ... but it causes problems occasionally
12:26<retrospectacus>and I don't need any new OS anymore... I have debian ;)
12:26<xAKPxplaymate08>So you can install 7 and linux?
12:26<cahoot>7?
12:26<xAKPxplaymate08>Windows 7
12:26<retrospectacus>you can install 7 linuxes and windows 7
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12:27<xAKPxplaymate08>Dang. I didnt know that. I wish that I would of now.
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12:27<retrospectacus>xAKPxplaymate08: you will need to partition your disk(s) and install windows first
12:27<sney>I have xp on a different hard drive, I have enough extra disks. I probably won't get win7 for myself until I wind up with a free license from somewhere, though the wife has it
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12:28<xAKPxplaymate08>So I would install 7 and partion the disc space, then install backtrack on the rest of the space
12:28<xAKPxplaymate08>?
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12:28<__neila__>install only Debian with Xen/KVM/VMWare/VirtualBox and the install winsomething there
12:28<__neila__>;)
12:29<retrospectacus>you would partition the disk space, install 7, then install debian. throw backtrack away
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12:29<xAKPxplaymate08>So debain is better than backtrack?
12:29<__neila__>debian is the best :)
12:29<retrospectacus>of course. You are in #debian
12:29<retrospectacus>also
12:29<retrospectacus>!debain
12:29<dpkg>Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh!
12:29<sney>__neila__: that only works if you're not planning to play games on the windows install, they haven't really made direct access to 3d hardware work from a guest yet
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12:30<zy>Hi everyone, in my squeeze, pm-hibernate do not work ( resume is not attempted during boot ), what is wrong ?
12:30-!-crisyelit [~crisyelit@190.205.22.142] has joined #debian
12:30<cahoot>zy: checked the pm-utils logs in /var/log?
12:30<sney>xAKPxplaymate08: backtrack is a very specialized set of security tools. Debian is a whole operating system that has those tools available if you want them, but it also has thousands of other software packages you can install.
12:30<xAKPxplaymate08>I'm also assuming that its a linux based software. I will look it up right now
12:30<__neila__>sney: virtualbox have got direct-3d and mayby it works
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12:31<__neila__>hardware direct3d
12:31<sney>backtrack is based on ubuntu which is based on debian. you're at the progenitor here
12:31<sney>__neila__: it works in theory but there's still a lot missing
12:31<__neila__>but game in debian is cool :D
12:31<themill>zy: does your kernel command line have a resume=/dev/foo line in it?
12:31<xAKPxplaymate08>So if I install debain then it has the backtrack software on it?
12:31<__neila__>sney: try netris ;)
12:31<sney>it has all of those tools available
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12:32<sney>most won't be installed by default but it's your choice and you can have them within a couple seconds over decent broadband
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12:32<zy>cahoot: I think there is nothing wrong in the log
12:32<zy>themill: no, is this a must for resume ?
12:32<xAKPxplaymate08>I have never heard of it here. Plus I was using it to figure out how to get the wireless around my complex, but I should try it out. I will download it to a disc now
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12:34<themill>zy: it is if your swap partition is somewhere "unexpected" like on lvm rather than on a partition.
12:34<sret>ok backtrack isnt part of debian
12:34*sret shrugs
12:34<xAKPxplaymate08>So where would be the best place to download debain from?
12:35-!-rudi_s [~simon@austria125.server4you.de] has joined #debian
12:35<xAKPxplaymate08>But does it still have the tools like backtrack does?
12:35<sret>check the mirrors list on debian
12:35<sret>do this
12:35<retrospectacus>!install
12:35<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
12:35<sret> /msg dpkg backtrack
12:35<sret>it'll tell you what it is
12:35<sret>its more catered towards ubuntu
12:36<sret>why do you need all the backtrack stuff? debian has a shitload of security tools as ti is
12:37<retrospectacus>I heard it magically makes you a hacker
12:37<cahoot>cracker?
12:38<xAKPxplaymate08>I'm trying to secure my network connection so its better and making sure that I can't get into it
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12:38<sret>xAKPxplaymate08: get the netinstall.iso
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12:38<sret>its small to the point, you'll get all the necessary stuff for a standard debian system
12:38<xAKPxplaymate08>It's on the debain site correct?
12:38<sret>yeah
12:39<themill>xAKPxplaymate08: look at what dpkg said earlier
12:39<sret>lookup the mirrors man
12:39<sret>there's cd, dvd iso formats
12:39<sret>pick one, download
12:39<sret>burn image, install
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12:42<kop>Although the netinstall is both the fastest and sets you up to automatically get updates from the net.
12:42<zy>themill: my swap is normal partition, but was deleted and recreated some time ago. Is the resume device "remembered" somewhere ?
12:42<xAKPxplaymate08>So which is better then?
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12:43<sret>unless of course if you decide to install a desktop software + standard + other stuff you're left to download for possibly 2 hrs
12:43<sret>in which case better off getting a dvd iso
12:43<sret>netinstall.iso is the best to start
12:43<xAKPxplaymate08>Well i'm running off a notebook
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12:43<xAKPxplaymate08>assuming that does not make a difference
12:43<sret>small file and fast
12:43<kop>sret: Even then the netinstall is the best option, because there's still sure to be stuff on the dvd that does not get installed.
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12:44<sret>kop: ok
12:44<kop>sret: The only time the dvds/cds are good is if you don't have a regular net connection or, possibly, you'll be installing on gobs and gobs of machines.
12:45<xAKPxplaymate08>So I'm going to have to put it onto a CD to install it first?
12:45<sret>ah ok
12:45<xAKPxplaymate08>That's how its looking to me
12:45<kop>xAKPxplaymate08: That's what most people are most comfortable with.
12:45<xAKPxplaymate08>That's the only way I can see how to do it.
12:45<kop>xAKPxplaymate08: There's other options, see the install guide, but most likely you want to burn the netinstall to cd.
12:46<themill>zy: you could try adding resume=/dev/foo to your kernel command line and see if that solves the problem. If it does, make it permanent by adding it to /etc/default/grub
12:46<sret>xAKPxplaymate08: yeah and then burn the iso to an image
12:46<sret>the download should take about less than 3 mins on a reular DSL
12:46<sret>took me about 30mins on verizon
12:46<kop>xAKPxplaymate08: There's install via live usb stick, install by booting off the network, and probably several others. But don't go there.
12:46<sret>30 mins*
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12:47<xAKPxplaymate08>Businesscard CD image?
12:47<kop>xAKPxplaymate08: netinstall.
12:47<sret>yeah there's one where you can install from a windows env too using a win32 deb installer or something i read
12:47<sret>heh
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12:48<kop>sret: Right. You can run linux as your windows screensaver and use that to install. But why?
12:48<kop>sret: There's a website with a button to click.
12:48<xAKPxplaymate08>Got it. Had a retard moment. Download alpha, amd64 e.t.c.... ?
12:48<sret>kop: yeah i wouldnt do that but i didnt know you could
12:48<kop>xAKPxplaymate08: You either want i386 or amd64, depending on whether you're a 32 or 64bit system.
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12:49<kop>sret: Apparently it's not foolproof.
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12:49<sret>kop: heh ok
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12:49<zy>themill: thanks, I will try.
12:49<kop>xAKPxplaymate08: New to debian? See the following factoid.
12:50<kop>!tell xAKPxplaymate08 about overview
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12:51<xAKPxplaymate08>Ugh. Borrowed my roomates old laptop to do all this for him. He doesnt even know if he is running 64 or 32 bit
12:51<kop>xAKPxplaymate08: Note also that there's about to be a new release. You may or may not want to install it now. It does not have first-class security support, and still as a few bugs (or it would already be released).
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12:52<smv>xAKPxplaymate08, how much ram and what kind of processor?
12:52<kop>xAKPxplaymate08: Many prefer to install squeeze, "about" to be released as stable. Depending on how new the box is it might be better to have the newer software to support the hardware.
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12:52<xAKPxplaymate08>He has no clue
12:53<xAKPxplaymate08>Dell inspiron 1525
12:53<xAKPxplaymate08>He installed Windows 7 onto this piece of junk
12:53<sret>how much ram
12:53<sret>dell is fine
12:54<sret>i got an old ass dell here that runs smooth
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12:56<xAKPxplaymate08>He has no clue. Attempting to look it up now
12:56<smv>xAKPxplaymate08, in a terminal do: cat /proc/cpuinfo
12:56<sret>he's on win7
12:56<smv>that shoul give you details about the processor
12:56<kop>xAKPxplaymate08: Or there's some way Windows has to tell you about the hardware. You only need to know 32 or 64 bit.
12:56<sret>on win7 i dont think you'll get cat t work
12:56<smv>sret, he's on some sort of ubuntu i see
12:56<sret>oh
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12:57<sret>xAKPxplaymate08: right click my computer
12:57<sret>properties
12:57<sret>spurt that out in here
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12:57<kop>!paste
12:57<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
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12:58<xAKPxplaymate08>I'm on backtrack now. Got rid of 7
12:58<sret>ok
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12:58<sret>do what smv said
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12:58<smv>then cat /proc/cpuinfo should be enough to see what kind of proc. top would be ok to find out how much ram
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12:59<sret>or vmstat rihgt?
12:59<sret>for memory
12:59<xAKPxplaymate08>Processor?
13:00<retrospectacus>cat /proc/cpuinfo
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13:01<xAKPxplaymate08>processor 1
13:01<smv>model name?
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13:02<xAKPxplaymate08>Intel core 2 Duo VPU T83-- @ 2.4GHz
13:02<xAKPxplaymate08>CPU*
13:02<xAKPxplaymate08>T8300*
13:02<smv>amd64 should work on that
13:02<retrospectacus>yep
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13:03<xAKPxplaymate08>So just download all of the alpha amd64 e.t.c
13:03<tomehb>Hello, a quick simple question....... I am setting up a repo mirror. getting following error @ERROR: Unknown module 'ftp'
13:03<retrospectacus>not alpha..
13:03<xAKPxplaymate08>just amd64?
13:03<retrospectacus>yesh
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13:04<retrospectacus>those are CPU architectures. you only have one
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13:05<tomehb>please ignore my above question :) was being dum.
13:06<tomehb>b
13:06<smv>vmstats -s | grep total would show how much ram, but tbh, i wouldn't go with i386 on that, even if not having 4GB ram
13:06<xAKPxplaymate08>OK, Let's see if I can figure out how to burn the file to the disc
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13:06<retrospectacus>right click the iso - burn to disc
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13:07<retrospectacus>if bt has that feature..
13:07<sret>i thought
13:07<sret>you had to download the iso to burn
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13:07<sret>you can do it straight away?
13:07<smv>or perhaps look for brasero in the Applications menu?
13:07<retrospectacus>no.. right click in the local file manager
13:07<retrospectacus>after it's downloadded
13:07<sret>ok
13:08*retrospectacus away
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13:08<xAKPxplaymate08>I hate learning new software. I feel like a retard
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13:10<kop>xAKPxplaymate08: The good thing about linux is that what you learned in 1974 is still good. Of course the gui stuff changes, because nobody knows how to do it right. So don't use the gui for anything other than applications that need it.
13:10<zach23>We have app01 and app02 running with app02's /data directory mounted from app01. Today app01 came to a halt with these in the logs: http://pastebin.com/tA4i2iwZ
13:11<zach23>I cannot figure out why app01 is doing this. the only thing we did was dist-upgrade to the new libc6 on our lenny boxes. ever since then this happened
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13:11<babaroga>hey
13:11<xAKPxplaymate08>I'm only 18. I started out with mint and went on from there. Someone said to try out backtrack and I did. But I just started out with mint abouot a couple weeks ago
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13:11<babaroga>helloooo
13:11<babaroga>how hacked facebook
13:11<babaroga>wich backtrack?
13:11<sret>the gui stuff is actually ok like synpatic or update manager
13:12<sret>but learning in the terminal definitely is a plus
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13:12<xAKPxplaymate08>backtrack4
13:12<kop>xAKPxplaymate08: You will definately want to use backports (or if you're using squeeze use backports after it is released.)
13:12<xAKPxplaymate08>What's that mean kop?
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13:12<kop>!tell xAKPxplaymate08 about bdo
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13:13<kop>Humm. The bot seems slow. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware
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13:14<xAKPxplaymate08>What i'm trying to do right now is download the file onto the disc so I can install debain
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13:15<kop>xAKPxplaymate08: Right. Backports is for later. Just didn't want you to miss out.
13:15<xAKPxplaymate08>kop: oh I see. Do you know backtrack at all?
13:15<kop>xAKPxplaymate08: No.
13:16<smv>i think that what you already know only needs to be adjusted here and there
13:16<xAKPxplaymate08>kop: s#!t. Gotta google it now
13:16<kop>xAKPxplaymate08: The nice thing aboug debian is it has lots of packages, so the debian team takes care of making the software work together. When you need a package, get it from the offical repos or else you're on your own and things will break, especially on upgrade.
13:17<kop>xAKPxplaymate08: The reason why MS Windows boxes turn to mush is that people install stuff from everywhere, and arn't able to keep it all working together.
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13:18<xAKPxplaymate08>Gangster. I just want to widen my technology span, I mean I mod xboxes and what not, but I want something new that I really don't know, and I think that this is what i'm looking for
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13:18<smv>kop, if that would've been the only problem, then it would've been great...
13:18<tomehb>exit
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13:19<xAKPxplaymate08>Yeah, thats why I kept my windows pc simple
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13:19<kop>smv: "that" is a really big prolem, or people would be able to keep their boxes patched (for some value of patched). Anyway this belongs on #debian-offtopic and I don't want to go there.
13:20<smv>:))
13:20<xAKPxplaymate08>so off topic right quick, am I in the right section?
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13:20<kop>xAKPxplaymate08: If you need help on debian this is the spot.
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13:21<xAKPxplaymate08>well I will give debain a shot and see how i like it. if i could figure out how to get it onto a cd
13:21<kop>xAKPxplaymate08: If you need help on windows, even how to burn a debian image so that it will boot, you _should_ go elsewhere. (But people will often give a quick tip anyway.)
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13:21<smv>xAKPxplaymate08, have you downloaded the iso already?
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13:22<kop>xAKPxplaymate08: Nothing wrong with running i386. Especially older hardware, not a lot of ram, etc. Even if it's a 64 bit box.
13:22<xAKPxplaymate08>smv, yes I have. its on the desktop
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13:23<smv>xAKPxplaymate08, right click on it and see if there is any 'write image to disc' or something like that
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13:24<kop>Surely the install guide has hints on how to burn a cd?
13:24<xAKPxplaymate08>open, cut, copy, rename, move to trash, open with, encrypt file, properties
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13:25<smv>in Apllications menu is there some Multimedia submenu? it should have Brasero or something like that
13:26<xAKPxplaymate08>in multimedia, its kmix
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13:27<smv>oh, so it's KDE not GNOME
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13:27<xAKPxplaymate08>I think
13:27<smv>K3B anywhere?
13:28<kop>xAKPxplaymate08: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-windows
13:28<smv>kop, he's on bt now
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13:30<kop>xAKPxplaymate08: This is ancient advice, prolly still works (but, as it says, use wodim instead of cdrecord). http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-unix
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13:32<xAKPxplaymate08>I'm a retard guys
13:34<kop>xAKPxplaymate08: That's why we're all here. It's a self-help group. :)
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13:36<xAKPxplaymate08>thanks kop. Great friend. lol
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13:37<xAKPxplaymate08>Anyone live in or near Sacramento? Lol
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13:39<xAKPxplaymate08>Think I should just use the other laptop to download and burn debain?
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13:39<Rovanion>Does anyone know why I'm getting this error: E: Misslyckades med att hämta http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/pool/main/u/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades_0.62_all.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 130.239.18.173 80] ?
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13:40<xAKPxplaymate08>kop or smv, do you guys have an xbox?
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13:41<xAKPxplaymate08>xbox360*
13:41<fralle>somebody know how i can make rdesktop not to steal total focus?
13:41<smv>xAKPxplaymate08, i don't
13:41<fralle>i cant move to another workspace when i launch it
13:41<fralle>anoying as hell
13:41<fralle>:)
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13:42<xAKPxplaymate08>kop, do you?
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13:47<fralle>ctrl-alt-enter made the trick :)
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13:47<fralle>got me out of shitty windows... puh
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13:50<Darkk>hello i'm running debia 5 64 bit and all my servers have 60 cpu
13:50<Darkk>already dit setenforce 0
13:50<Darkk>and apt-get install ia32-libs
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13:51<xAKPxplaymate08>take care guys. ill try later
13:51<Darkk>but still have 60 cpu :<
13:51<Darkk>some one can help me :(
13:52<cahoot>60 what?
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13:53<Darkk>60 cpu
13:53<Darkk>in idle status
13:53<Darkk>no mods
13:55<jhutchins_lt>Darkk: According to what tool?
13:55<jhutchins_lt>Darkk: Which kernel (uname -r)?
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13:57<Darkk>i check
13:57<Darkk>i running a gameserver
13:57<Darkk>call of duty 4
13:57<Darkk>2
13:57<Darkk>doesn't metter all i get 60 cpu
13:57<Darkk>public:/home/gameservers/cod2/server1# uname -r
13:57<Darkk>2.6.26-2-amd64
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13:59<Darkk>some :(
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14:01<jhutchins_lt>What tells you that the cpu is at 60% load?
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14:02<Darkk>top
14:02<Darkk>jhujhiti check pm
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14:04<Darkk>top - 14:02:18 up 46 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
14:04<Darkk>Tasks: 98 total, 1 running, 97 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
14:04<Darkk>Cpu0 : 0.0%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni,100.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st
14:04<Darkk>Cpu1 : 0.0%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni,100.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st
14:04<Darkk>Cpu2 : 0.0%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni,100.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st
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14:04<Darkk>oeps
14:04<Darkk>:P
14:05<streuner_>!tell Darkk about paste
14:05<jhutchins_lt>Darkk: Not him, but that shows 100% idle on all but two processors which are less than 10% loaded. Your top load is the cod server.
14:05<streuner_>Darkk: we prefer 2 lines, not more...
14:05<Darkk>i know sorry :$
14:05<Darkk>i forget it
14:05<streuner_>np
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14:05<Darkk>:)
14:05<Darkk>i know my top load is cod2
14:05<Darkk>but it says 60 %
14:05<Darkk>but if i look to all 7 processors
14:06<Darkk>it says 0,0
14:06<TIPS>hey guys i got a question bout backtrack, anyone can help?
14:06<ansgar>!backtrack
14:06<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
14:06<Darkk>maybe it says 1 cpu : 0,3
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14:06<Darkk>but why top says : 60 %
14:06<Darkk>?
14:06<TIPS>thats actually what I needed to know thnx :)
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14:09<jhutchins_lt>Darkk: WHAT says 60%?
14:10<Darkk>if i type :
14:10<Darkk>top on debian
14:10<Darkk>cod2_lnxded
14:10<Darkk>or other game
14:10<Darkk>mohaa_lnxded
14:10<Darkk>it doesn't matter he says on top the cpu usages of that games mohaa_lnxded and cod2_lnxded cpu: 60% load
14:10<Darkk>its a i7 processor
14:10<jhutchins_lt>Darkk: Take a look at the sysstat package, it will give you a clearer picture. Are you having performance problems or just seeing funny numbers?
14:11<Darkk>it seems to look @ funny numbers
14:11<Darkk>..
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14:11<Darkk>can you take a look for mee ?
14:13<jhutchins_lt>Darkk: I know top has some confusion in it's multi-core displays. I have the same problem sometimes with just two, but like I said sysstat has a lot more information.
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14:14<Darkk>whats sysstat
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14:14<Darkk>sorry i'm not a expert in linux :P
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14:16<EmleyMoor>Are there any examples on how to use jscal? I need to map button 11 on my joystick to be either nothing or a copy of one of the other buttons - I have a program that crashes if button 11 is pressed
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14:18<Darkk>Some1 can help me ?
14:19<__neila__>Darkk: many application use only 1 core cpu
14:19<retrospectacus>Darkk: what is the problem?
14:19<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... jscal no help
14:20<Darkk>retrospectacus i running gameservers like call of duty 2 and 4 on a debian 5.0 64 bit server
14:20<Darkk>but the server is empty no mods
14:20<Darkk>and in idle stauts
14:20<Darkk>the server give me a cpu load from 60 to 80 %
14:20<Darkk>people told me to do this:
14:21<Darkk>setenforce 0
14:21<Darkk>and apt-get install ia32-libs
14:21<Darkk>but nothing help
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14:21<Darkk>still get cpu load of 60 to 80 %
14:21<devil>Darkk: strange advice
14:21<smv>i'd have a look with htop on that machine. never failed me on multi-core...
14:22<devil>Darkk: what tool informs you about that load?
14:22<Darkk>top
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14:23<retrospectacus>Darkk: that's normal
14:23<Darkk>why i don;t have that on a quard core ?
14:23<devil>Darkk: then it should also tell you what is using the cpu(s)
14:23<retrospectacus>those kind of game servers tick as fast as they can
14:23<Darkk>cpu load on my quard core = 0,0 in idle
14:23<smv>Darkk, pastebin so we can se the whole thing.
14:23<jhutchins>Darkk: sysstat and htop are packages you can install from debian.
14:23<Darkk>htop
14:24<Darkk>says the same
14:24<__neila__>Darkk: cat /proc/cpuinfo
14:24<jhutchins>!info sysstat
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14:24<retrospectacus>Darkk: copy and paste the entire screen into http://pastie.com
14:24<retrospectacus>then say the url of your paste here.
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14:24<sret>compiz is just fucking cool
14:24<dpkg>sysstat: (system performance tools for Linux), section admin, is optional. Version: 9.0.6.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 276 kB, Installed size: 1124 kB
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14:25<Darkk>http://pastie.com ?
14:25<Darkk>i can;t enter
14:25<Darkk>you want to see a screenshot ?
14:26<__neila__>http://pastebin.com/
14:26<__neila__>or another
14:26<sret>anyone knows of a plugin for gnome compiz thats like the desktop cube?
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14:26<devil>sret: kde4 :)
14:26<sret>wb babilen
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14:26<sret>not instlling kde now
14:26<sret>not till i know gnome well enough:P
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14:27<smv>sret, aptitude search compiz
14:27<sret>besides i have only 2GB of ram i don want it to go nuts with kde and gnome installed here
14:27<Darkk>http://pastebin.com/7AsH5dBp
14:27<devil>sret: kde4 has loads of compiz stuff default
14:27<Darkk>http://pastebin.com/7AsH5dBp
14:27<sret>smv: ok
14:27<sret>devil: yeah i saw
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14:28<Darkk>update : http://pastebin.com/r1wkLuCH
14:28<sret>smv: i think i have most of all that
14:28<sret>besides the gtk one and kde
14:28<localhorst>hi guys
14:28<sret>i wanted a compiz theme for gnome
14:29<sret>ubuntu comes with a theme manager, but for debian i couldnt find any
14:29<sret>!compiz theme
14:29<devil>Darkk: so what is spearhead_lnxde?
14:29<chealer>devil: what compiz stuff does kde4 have default?
14:29<sret>!compiztheme
14:29<sret>!compizthemes
14:29<chealer>!tell sret about msg the bot
14:29<devil>sret: debian is not into much eyecandy.
14:29<localhorst>i want to download and seed debian dvds via bittorrent but i get an error message
14:29<sret>devil: i know:P
14:29<sret>but i want to try it
14:30<sret>not stick to it :P
14:30<smv>sret, i'm not sure what you mean. also not sure what's the difference betwen compiz-gnome and compiz-gtk. do you have compizconfig-settings-manager?
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14:30<localhorst>bittornado as well as bittorrent are telling me: error(s): [20:27:49] rejected by tracker - Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker.
14:30<sret>smv: yeah and i cssm
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14:30<localhorst>does someone has an idea, what i have to do to solve this?
14:30<retrospectacus>sret: the cube is in the ccsm
14:30<sret>compiz gnome is for gnome as it says from the name i believe
14:31<Darkk>http://pastebin.com/r1wkLuCH
14:31<Darkk>and now ?
14:31<sret>retrospectacus: i have the cube, i wanted something similar as a theme
14:31<devil>Darkk: so what is spearhead_lnxde?
14:31<Darkk>thats a game server
14:31<devil>its eating your cpu
14:31<smv>sret, with theme you mean the window borders or what?
14:31<retrospectacus>Darkk: that's normal
14:31<Darkk>Medal of honor Spearhead
14:31<sret>smv: yeah and the icons too i believe
14:31<Darkk>no it isn't :P why all my other servers don;t have it :P ?
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14:32<sret>borders, backgrounds
14:32<Darkk>debian 4.0 always use it never get this only @ 5.0 64 bit
14:33<bgat>I'm running the latest lxr-cvs on squeeze, but getting blank output in my browser window where code should be
14:33<jhutchins>!tell Darkk about bdo
14:33<jhutchins>Darkk: You could try the .32 kernel, it might behave better.
14:34<smv>sret, them perhaps you want a theme manager for gnome itself, not for compiz. different things i think. right click on desktop and have a look at 'change desktop background'. there is also a themes tab.
14:34<__neila__>Darkk: What do you want to do?
14:34<jhutchins>bgat: If you were running a debian package we might be able to help you.
14:34<sret>smv: let me check
14:34<bgat>jhutchins: duh, I guess I should have mentioned that. :)
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14:34<sret>smv: im actually looking for a gnome compiz theme
14:35<bgat>I'm running the latest lxr-cvs Debian package, I mean :)
14:35<sret>oh the change desktop backround is just plain gnome stuff
14:35<Darkk>jhujhitins i don;t know how can you help me ?
14:35<Darkk>32 bit you mean
14:35<__neila__>Darkk: maybe you must run application with parameters multicore/numbers core example: server_cod2 --core 8
14:36<jhutchins>,version lxr-cvs
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14:36<bgat>funny thing is, I have been using lxr-cvs for months and months with no problems, but when I installed it for the first time on a new workstation, all it gives me is blank screens...
14:36<Darkk>__neila__ if i do that a server takes 1 core ?
14:36<bgat>jhutchins: lxr-cvs 0.9.5+cvs20071020-1+lenny
14:36<smv>sret, i'm not sure there is such a thing. i never saw such a thing in about a year and some since using debian. perhaps if you point me to the thing you say ubuntu has i might figure out...
14:37<sret>smv: ubuntu has emerald as their theme manager
14:37<sret>and it lets them use compiz themes
14:37<sret>for kde or for gnome
14:37<sret>let me see
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14:37<jhutchins>bgat: Ok, I thought you meant you were running a cvs version of something.
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14:37<bgat>jhutchins: nope, just the plain-vanilla Debian package :)
14:38<sret>smv: http://www.compiz-themes.org
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14:38<smv>sret, now we talk about something different. emerald is not a theme manager for gnome compiz or whatever, but for emerald itself. i don't think emerald is available in debian repos.
14:38<sret>smv: its not
14:39<__neila__>Darkk: check application-server what you are running ( --help, man), this is soft only
14:39<sret>its ubuntu's compiz theme manager
14:39<sret>i dont particularly need emerald
14:39<sret>i just wanted to install compiz themes for debian lenny but for gnome
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14:39<sret>unless of course it shouldnt matter if the theme is generic(kde/gnome)
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14:40<smv>sret, you got quite confused by the site's name i think. there is no thing as compiz theme. there are only emerald themes, metacity themes, and whatever else you have for a wiondow manager that has a window border manager. but no "compiz themes".
14:41<bgat>it's like when lxr-cvs goes to output the code to the browser window, it isn't finding whatever tool it uses to generate that code; but I can't figure out why that would be the case, since it has worked fine for me in other installations...
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14:41<sret>smv: yeah but the theme is about eyecandy stuff for your borders, etc eh?
14:41<sret>and background
14:41<smv>sret, now, if you want emerald themes, then you 1st need to get emerald itself, and then import themes into it
14:41<sret>emerald would work in debian?
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14:43<smv>sret, background might not be managed by compiz, unless you made it to, but by nautilus, and then you can use the gnome theme manager for backgrounds (right click on the desktop). emerald should work, but i never had the chance to use it on debian.
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14:45<bgat>bbl
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14:45<sret>smv: ah
14:45<sret>yeah i wanted a compiz bvackground too
14:45<sret>exactly
14:46<sret>but for a gnome de
14:46<smv>sret, perhaps you might get more help on #compiz @ freenode
14:46<sret>im there, its dead
14:46<sret>i'll check emerald and see how it is
14:46<sret>another thing though
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14:47<sret>when i close the compiz terminal, i lose the borders
14:47<sret>i have to restart xorg and relogin to be back on plain gnome
14:47<sret>is this normal or some kinda bug
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14:49<smv>sret, it's not a bug i think. when you close the that terminal you close compiz, which replaced metacity, and metacity doesn't know that it should reload. in gconf-editor go to desktop > session > required_components and change windowmanager from gnome-wm to compiz to make compiz the default window manager
14:50<sret>ah ok
14:50<sret>thanks
14:50<retrospectacus>sret: install fusion-icon to help turning onn or off compiz
14:51<sret>i have compiz-fusion
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14:51<retrospectacus>I know
14:51<sret>not sure of the icon
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14:51<retrospectacus>install and run fusion-icon - it goes in your notification area and you can use it to control compiz
14:51<sret>smv: cant i do that inside ccsm?
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14:52<sret>retrospectacus: is that available in the dep pkgs?
14:52<sret>its called fusion-icon?
14:52<smv>when i was using compiz i never needed the icon (which is actually an applet loaded in notification area)
14:52<sret>compiz loads just fine
14:52<retrospectacus>sret, it's dying because you killed the terminal that started it. fusion-icon will start it properly
14:52<sret>its when i close it, it kills all the boders and windows stick together
14:52<retrospectacus>sret, yes yes
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14:53<sret>ah
14:53<tchnkion-wrek-gar>recently did an update and now grub doesn't start
14:53<smv>or just make compiz default in gconf-editor, and define a fail-safe or something like that in ccsm.
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14:53<LuisV>sret: did you chek this:gconftool-2 --set -t string /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager compiz
14:54<sret>LuisV not sure
14:54<sret>i never used the gconf tool, just ccsm
14:54<LuisV>sret: ok
14:54<smv>does the same thing as what i said with gconf-editor
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14:54<tchnkion>is there any reason why grub is not starting?
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14:55<devil>tchnkion: sure.
14:55<tchnkion>devil, why?
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14:55<devil>tchnkion: did you upgrade from grub to grub2?
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14:56<sret>ok fusion-icon is installed
14:56<sret>what now
14:56<sret>i need this to run before i start compiz?
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14:56<tchnkion>devil: did not look at all of what was being upgraded
14:56<tchnkion>devil: no idea
14:56<devil>tchnkion: smart ;)
14:56<JesperCheetah>tchnkion: Does it give any error messages?
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14:57<tchnkion>JesperCheetah: devil: no
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14:57<tchnkion>just grub and cursur
14:57<tchnkion>that's it
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14:58<sret>ok have fusion icon running
14:58*sret checks
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14:58<smv>tchnkion, boot of a live cd/usb, mount the filesystems, especially / and /boot and then run update-grub as root and see what's wrong.
14:58<sret>sweet
14:58<sret>thanks retrospectacus , smv , LuisV
14:59<tchnkion>smv, ok will try
14:59<retrospectacus>enjoy. did you learn about pipes yet?
14:59<sret>oh nice
14:59<sret>commands?
14:59<sret>i have an o reilly's book
14:59<sret>working on it
14:59<sret>learning vim now
14:59<retrospectacus>good stuff :)
14:59<tchnkion>what is a good debian book?
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15:00*smv didn't used vim in the last year and doesn't miss it
15:01<LuisV>tchnkion: debian wiki have a lot of info
15:01<jhutchins>tchnkion: Most of the best info is on-line.
15:01<sret>lol smv
15:01<jhutchins>tchnkion: Books tend to get out of date.
15:01<sret>i dont think i will either but doesnt hurt to learn a bit
15:01<sret>nano seems like the easiest from the looks of it
15:01<smv>it is.
15:01<sret>gedit the easiest
15:01<jhutchins>tchnkion: You can try the http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html or NAG at http://tldp.org
15:01<ml|>sret: /msg dpkg reference
15:01<ml|>tchnkion: ^
15:01<sret>heh
15:02<jhutchins>vi is very powerful and almost always available.
15:02<jhutchins>vi doesn't assume it will always be on a local console with Fkeys.
15:02<smv>i wish ed was installed by default
15:02<reklipz>Hey folks. I recently performed a dist-upgrade and my touchpad is no longer working.
15:03<sret>jhutchins: are you refering to emacs?
15:03<Rovanion>Does anyone know why I'm getting this error: E: Misslyckades med att hämta http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/pool/main/u/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades_0.62_all.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 130.239.18.173 80] ?
15:03<sret>this is that debate about emacs vs vi war right?
15:03<reklipz>I'm running Squeeze, and my touchpad is an Alps.
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15:03<sret>i read that bit about emacs and fn keys for everything and the humour surrounding it
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15:05<sret>does compiz use up a lot of memory?
15:05<sret>let me check
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15:05<LuisV>sret: yes, more effects more memory :-))
15:05<sret>interesting not a lot
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15:06<sret>ah i dont have a lot of effects set, thought so
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15:06<sret>oonly like the cube
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15:08<sret>vi explained in this o'reilly's book is something like 40 pages of stuff
15:08<sret>emacs 20 pgs
15:09<sret>bash stuff sucks in here and the man page
15:09<sret>too technical for newbies
15:09<sret>ibm article by some gentoo guy was nice to learn up on bash
15:09<smv>i used compiz on 512MB ram and 128MB vram, with a dozen of things loaded, and i thought it wasn't that hungry. but then i got rid of it, and i understud that i really didn't need it. :))
15:10<sret>min requirement to run compiz is 512 acording to the wiki
15:10<sret>debian wiki
15:10<sret>i think its the debian wiki
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15:11<sret>i really dont need it either but people tihnk linux cant be all eyecandy, this is just to put them into dropjaw mode
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15:39<sret>just wondering
15:40<sret>i needed to download a tar file
15:40<sret>to
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15:40<sret> /usr/share/frl/lice/
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15:40<sret>so i did a wget -O http:/../filename.tar.gz
15:41<sret>it says it is a directory
15:41<sret>whats wrong here
15:41<child>configured a server, and did a test with a windows machine that works fine, but not a Linux share internet, ping outside the network responds not .. what could it be?
15:41<sret>if i try to extract it manually using the archive manager it says no such file or dirc
15:42<dvs>sret: -O names the output file but what is the input file?
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15:42<ml|>sret: try/use use cd /diretory/foo && wget ...
15:42<sret>why do i needto cd it/
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15:43<ml|>without the -O
15:43<sret>cd /usr/share/frl/lice/
15:43<sret>and then wget http?
15:43<ml|>yes
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15:44<dvs>sret: wget -O /usr/share/frl/lice/filename.tar.gz http://../filename.tar.gz
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15:46<sret>i got the wget part
15:46<sret>ahh
15:46<sret>ok thanks
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15:46<sret>filename. should be mentioned in /lice/
15:46<sret>ok
15:46<sret>thanks
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15:58<sret>if you dont give the -C option to untar what happens
15:58<sret>where does it untar to
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15:58<dvs>sret: the current directory
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15:59<sret>ok to untar its tar -zxvf filename.tar.gz
15:59<sret>i get an error
15:59<sret>says cannot open no such file or dir
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16:00<sret>error is not recoverable, child returned status 2
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16:00<jester45>that was an example, you need to replace filename with the real name
16:00<sret>and i did
16:01<sret>and i get an error
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16:01<sret>i have the file downloaded to the desired folder
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16:01<sret>but when i try to untar it using tar
16:01<sret>i get that error
16:01<dvs>and "filename.tar.gz" is in the current directory?
16:01<sret>yes
16:01<jester45>well your giving it the wrong filename if tar can not find it
16:02<sret>i copied it and pasted it to untar it
16:02<sret>still nothing
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16:02<sret>and im root
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16:04<sret>any ideas
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16:05*dvs still think that the wrong filename is specified.
16:05<sret>ha
16:05<sret>i need to specify the entire parth
16:05<sret>path
16:06<sret>not just the tar filename
16:06<sret>it expects me to do tar -zxvf /usr/share/bla/filename.tar.gz
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16:11<sret>ok weird, i extracted it and in my terminal i see the files extracted
16:11<sret>but if i go to the dir i dont see it extracted there
16:12<babilen>sret: I am sure that you could also specify a relative path or (if the tar is in your cwd (current working directory)) just the filename (optionally prefixed with ./)
16:12<babilen>sret: Show us → http://paste.debian.net
16:12<sret>pl
16:12<sret>ok
16:14<sret>http://paste.debian.net/104569
16:15<babilen>sret: And "ls .irc/wolf/" does not show you the files?
16:16<sret>yes it does
16:16<babilen>so, what is the problem then?
16:16<sret>i dont see it the directory
16:16<sret>if its extracted shouldnt the files be there in the directory
16:17<sret>in the terminal it shows it but not in the directory if i go to ../lice/
16:18<nadir>cause it is hidden? with a leading dot? in that case "ls .irc " or "ls -ahl"
16:18<dvs>sret: pwd
16:18<babilen>in which directory? you unpacked it to your CWD -- use "-C" if you want to change dirs or just go whereever you want to extract it
16:19<sret>the current dirc is /lice/
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16:19<sret>its not in there if open it
16:19<sret>all i see is the tar.gz file
16:19<dvs>sret: ls -Al
16:19<sret>if its hidden, shouldnt it come up when i check "show hidden files" whihc i did and it didnt show up
16:20<sret>dvs: ok see a bunch of files with a .
16:20<sret>oh
16:20<sret>.irc?
16:20<dvs>hope so
16:21<sret>meaning hidden and even if i check show hidden files it wont show it?
16:21<dvs>I have no idea what you're "checking"
16:21<sret>i did a ls -Aq
16:21<sret>A1
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16:21<sret>and i get a bunch of .files
16:21<babilen>!enter
16:21<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
16:22<babilen>sret: Please ^^^^
16:22<sret>.gnome, .irc, .synaptic, .profile etc etc
16:22<sret>babilen: ok
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16:49<msanger>ubuntu
16:50<dsm>hello
16:50<msanger>hi
16:50<amphi>strange greeting
16:50<dsm>I am having issues with the debian installer
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16:50<dsm>It does not appear to support XTS mode on install
16:51<dsm>Can anyone tell me: does Debian plan to add this feature to the installer ? I cannot install it alongside my arch encrypted LVM
16:53<dsm>anyone ?
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17:00<kop>dsm You could file a bug report or ask in #debian-boot.
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17:03<Osiris_X>how do I find which package a file belongs to?
17:04<ansgar>Osiris_X: dpkg -S for installed packages, apt-file otherwise.
17:04<Osiris_X>ansgar, thanks
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17:07<ikarus_>HI
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17:12<sret>iceweasel crashed first time
17:12<sret>just hung
17:12<retrospectacus>pr0n?
17:12<sret>no way
17:13<sret>it was some script i had to download
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17:13<retrospectacus>yeah "you have to download this EXE player to view the movies"... ;)
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17:14<sret>lo;l
17:14<sret>i waited
17:14<sret>and it came back up
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18:08<BlueG>It seems that a php script on my system can read the document root directory, but no subdirectories. They have the same ownership and permissions, so what is restricting php to reading /var/www/site, but not /var/www/site/subdir?
18:10<retrospectacus>what does the log say? Are there any symbolic links involved?
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18:14<BlueG>PHP Warning: readdir() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /var/www/rak3.ath.cx/recurse.php on line 6
18:15<BlueG>no symlinks
18:15<BlueG>it is a boolean because opendir returns false when it can't open a dir
18:15<BlueG>I think
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18:17<retrospectacus>print the input of opendir() before trying it
18:17<chealer>BlueG: did you ask ##php?
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18:18<themill>also enable display (or logging) of warnings from php
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18:18<BlueG>nope
18:20<themill>chealer, BlueG: ##php is on freenode (there's a fairly small #php here)
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18:42<smv>has anyone used horde before? while looking at the debian packages that add different modules to horde, i see that some recommend sqlite, while others mysql or pgsql. considering that i'd like to have them all use a single db, which one should i use? is it posible to use a single db engine? is there any special reason, related to horde itself, to use one db engine over the other?
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18:44<retrospectacus>horde the webmail client?
18:46<retrospectacus>you can pick what backend to use.
18:52<smv>i know that, but which one should i pick? :)
18:53<retrospectacus>if you don't know, then I don't know why you would want to install horde. Are you planning to run a mail server?
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18:55<retrospectacus>or are you just installing packages you like the name of
18:58<smv>building a mailserver. i already have kolab and horde is working good, except some modules that need a separate db.
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18:59<retrospectacus>I have horde on my mail server using mysql but it doesn't have any addons
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19:01<dj3mb3>hi to everybody
19:02<dj3mb3>sry, I have a problem with openvpn server TLS auth configuration
19:02<dj3mb3>the client fail the handshake
19:02<dj3mb3>someony can help me?
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19:27<nardev>where are source files stored when i get them from repository?
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19:36<amphi>nardev: in a directory named like the package, in the current directory
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19:38<retrospectacus>nardev: you don't get the source when you install something normally. If you want the source, run apt-get source <packagename>
19:38<nardev>http://paste.debian.net/104585/
19:38<retrospectacus>this can be done as a normal user. The source will be downloaded to .
19:38<nardev>well i choose source package
19:38<nardev>from synaptic package manager
19:39<cthuluh>nardev: see /usr/src/
19:39<nardev>cthuluh, no...
19:39<nardev>no logic btw..
19:40<cthuluh>updatedb; locate qc-usb-source
19:40<nardev>did it and here is result
19:40<nardev>http://paste.debian.net/104585/
19:40<nardev>but i don't recognize source for it
19:41<cthuluh>nardev: I just did aptitude install qc-usb-source. check again in /usr/src/
19:42<nardev>kk
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19:42<nardev>ou
19:42<nardev>i see
19:42<nardev>now it got it
19:43<nardev>but it's packed
19:43<nardev>i expected source code to be
19:43<nardev>in folder
19:43<nardev>unpacked
19:43<amphi>apt-get source foo will put the unpacked source in ./foo
19:43<retrospectacus>nardev: please, just a space to separate words, not Enter..
19:43<nardev>i was just tryuing this now
19:43<nardev>thank you
19:44<nardev>retrospectacus, ok, i'm sorry i'm not very used to this way of communication.. i'm sorry i'll try to get used to
19:45<retrospectacus>long sentences promote clarity of thought. Thanks :)
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19:47<amphi>like long nicks? ;)
19:47<retrospectacus>exactly
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19:54<nardev>what is the name of debian dummy package which purpose is to educate new DD-s and used as example how to package?
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19:59<retrospectacus>nardev: possibly maint-guide
20:00<nardev>ou yea
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20:00<nardev>retrospectacus, thank you
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20:06<retrospectacus>np
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20:48<taylorjonl>Any OpenSSL specialists active?
20:49<roberto>hay alguien aqui?
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20:51<roberto>any was install linux mint debian ?
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20:56<helix>taylorjonl: what is your question
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21:03<DaveJaffe>Hello
21:03<DaveJaffe>world
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21:29<taylorjonl>Helix: You still around?
21:29<helix>yes
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21:29<taylorjonl>I posted the following that explains my problem: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=59240
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21:30<taylorjonl>I can't seem to figure out how to get OpenSSL to trust my certificate
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21:35<taylorjonl>From the error "unable to get local issuer certificate" I am assuming that it can't find my CA cert(issuer) but AFAIK I have placed this cert in the correct place and followed the correct steps to make it available.
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21:47<kop>taylorjonl: FWIW, I find that mailing lists get better results than forums. Who wants to have to keep going back to look for answers?
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21:50<taylorjonl>I may send it to the mailing lists later tonight, at a hot spot on my laptop, was just hoping for a fast reply, sorta stuck on this issue before I can proceed with the rest of my home setup.
21:50<kop>taylorjonl: What do the logs say?
21:51<taylorjonl>Not sure what logs to check, all the pages I see don't mention logs I can check.
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21:53<kop>taylorjonl: It'd be the web logs. Did you restart the daemon?
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21:54<taylorjonl>Well, the daemon would be on the windows side I think, or does OpenSSL use a daemon to do client side stuff?
21:55<kop>taylorjonl: Yes, the server side would probaly need restarting. (If it's windows it may need rebooting.)
21:55<taylorjonl>I haven't changed anything on that side though
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21:57<kop>taylorjonl: It knows about the cert?
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21:58<taylorjonl>It should, the certificate signing request was submitted to it and it issued my certificate. I will restart that system but I don't think it should require a restart or every client auto-enrollment would cause issues.
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21:58<bluenemo>i got my router working with passwordless login via authorized_keys. now i want root to have no more password at all. passwd root and giving no password doesnt work :( how can i disable the root password?
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21:59<kop>taylorjonl: You are thinking this through more than me.
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22:01<kop>bluenemo: Historically you put a ! in front of the password hash in /etc/shadow. There's some utility that does this, I forget.
22:01<bluenemo>kop, thanks. is it ok if i do this by hand?
22:01<taylorjonl>http://www.techrecipes.net/application/ssh/disable-password-authentication?
22:02<bluenemo>kop, this user has no password @ my router: nfsuser:*:14938:0:99999:7:::
22:02<taylorjonl>won't help local but ssh it will disable password auth
22:02<kop>bluenemo: These days there's probably a way to tell pam to dis-allow root passwords.
22:03<bluenemo>taylorjonl, kop, ok thx for the info i'll play around a little with the info provided
22:03<kop>bluenemo: Yes. But use vigr -s
22:03<kop>bluenemo: (just to be paranoid, it's not really necessary) See also EDITOR env var or update-alternatives.
22:04<bluenemo>kop i'll do that thank you
22:04<kop>bluenemo: oops, that's vipw -s
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22:05<bluenemo>kop, in man they are both listed for man vigr, do they do the same?
22:06<kop>bluenemo: One does /etc/passwd, the other /etc/group (or shadow equivalients)
22:08<bluenemo>kop, ah ok i c :)
22:09<bluenemo>hm whats the difference between using vipr and just a normal editor? vipr so far just opens the file with the $EDITOR editor..
22:09<kop>bluenemo: There's a lockfile made (for historical reasons) beginning with a - I think.
22:10<bluenemo>ah ok.. dam it it opend vi.. xD i'm into nano how do i close vi without saving? i made a misstake..
22:11<kop>bluenemo: escape key, then !q (run update-alternatives to avoid vi. I'm an emacs man myself.)
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22:11<bluenemo>:)
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22:11<pabs>!it
22:11<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
22:11<bluenemo>hm wont quit uargh i hate it :( i'll go kill it :)
22:12<kop>bluenemo: q! ??
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22:13<bluenemo>oh q!.. you wrote !q.. i was wondering :) sorry dont know a thing about vi, always liked to keep it simple (with nano). now its dead ;)
22:13<kop>bluenemo: pico?
22:13<bluenemo>hm didnt try that one, i'll look into it later
22:14<taylorjonl>well, logging off, heading home
22:14<taylorjonl>thanks for chatting
22:14<bluenemo>hehe this works: bluenemo:*:14718:0:99999:7:::
22:14<kop>bluenemo: Like nano. Not worth it. Emacs is easy, you type, it works. Just remember control x followed by control c to exit -- it'll prompt for changes.
22:14<bluenemo>its just giving a * instead of the password
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22:15<bluenemo>yeah nano :) its an old habbit.. but you're right i'd propably should change to sth more professional by now..
22:15<bluenemo>emacs shure has colors for sh scripts?
22:16<kop>bluenemo: I guess the other is control g (I goofed, stop doing whatever you're doing and put me back where I belong.)
22:16<kop>bluenemo: Sure. And lots of modes for programming languages. I turn colors off. I find them distracting.
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22:17<bluenemo>oh ok i find them quite helpfull.. but i'm not that experienced so far i prefer sh scripts for most stuff and am now into learning ruby..
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22:19<kop>bluenemo: If you're into learning programming there's nothing quite like http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/
22:19<kop>bluenemo: (free on-line)
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22:21<bluenemo>kop thats not for a specific language, is it?
22:21<kop>bluenemo: It has examples in a specific language. Read the preface.
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22:22<bluenemo>kop i'll do that thx for the link
22:23<kop>bluenemo: You will want guile & see http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/docs/faq/guile-faq.html#How-do-I-make-foo_002escm-into-an-executable-script_003f
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22:25<bluenemo>kop sounds interesting i'll look into that later
22:26<bluenemo>actually its 4.30 am and i just wanted to fix my router as the dam modem hungup for some reason :)
22:26<bluenemo>now as i was done i thought oh wth go and finally fix the ssh issue :)
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22:27<kop>bluenemo: Save the link with the wizard book link. Otherwise it's a pain to figure out.
22:27<bluenemo>kop, i already bookmarked all of your links :)
22:29<bluenemo>hm when i now am root on my notebook and login @ my router it doesnt ask for a pw, however /root/.ssh/ has no id_rsa.pub.. how the heck is that possible?
22:30<bluenemo>only /home/bluenemo/.ssh has a id_rsa.pub which stands in routers root's authorized keys..
22:30<bluenemo>does root use all keys from the users below him??
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22:36<bluenemo>kop, is this behaviour normal?
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22:36<kop>bluenemo: No.
22:37<kop>bluenemo: I always set PermitRootLogin=forcedcommandsonly
22:38<bluenemo>kop, whats that option for?
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22:39<bluenemo>i dont get it.. there's now one authorized key in authorized_keys, which is bluenemo's, not roots.. what the heck..
22:41<kop>bluenemo: sshd
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22:42<bluenemo>kop i now that :) i meant what does it accomplish writing it into sshd_config?
22:42<bluenemo>whats a forced command?
22:42<kop>bluenemo: You may have allowed anyone to login as root without a password.
22:42<bluenemo>no that doesnt work.. i tried with a vm and it wont work
22:43<kop>bluenemo: It's where you must have a key to get in and then you can only run a specific command. It's part of the authorized_keys syntax.
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22:44<bluenemo>ah ok key only sounds nice. but what do you mean by only specific command?
22:45<kop>bluenemo: See usermod -L (finally found it.)
22:46<jthill>hi, has anyone managed to get dwarf fortress working on amd64? I've been at it for about fifteen minutes now trying to get the sound working -- everything else I can make work -- but I'm just getting tired of the slog and hoping someone else can just hand it to me, like candy or the keys to a new pony
22:46<kop>bluenemo: No password prompt, nothing. It might be doing reverse dns and waiting for timeouts....
22:47<kop>jthill: Does sound work otherwise?
22:47<jthill>yep, works a treat
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22:48<jthill>but ever since I installed squeeze I've been unable to play the piano
22:49<bluenemo>jthill, there is a piano for debian..?
22:50<jthill>well, I couldn't play the piano before installing it either, but I had my hopes.
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22:50*abrotman wonders if there is a piano emulator that would use the keyboard ..
22:50<kop>bluenemo: Better to send icmp unreachable. Black holes are a sure sign there's a host there.
22:50<abrotman>though .. i guess kind of short on keys
22:50*bluenemo is wondering about that as well :)
22:51<jthill>oughtta be easy to wire the keyboard to timidity or play or something
22:51<bluenemo>kop good to know thank you
22:51<kop>bluenemo: I had ferm recommended to me for firewalling. It sounds good.
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22:52<bluenemo>i'll add that to the links you supplyed, thank you. but i was just getting do understand iptables :) one can write a book about that program :)
22:53<holstein>yoshimi has a virtual keyboard abrotman :)
22:53<holstein>not great piano sounds though
22:53<bluenemo>lol
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22:54<abrotman>i meant with a regular keyboard
22:54<kop>bluenemo: iptalbles sucks. pf is nice but is not really on linux. So iptables needs a layer on top. "aptitude show ferm" Shorewall is ok, but I feel like it's not easy to read and there may be less control.
22:54<abrotman>you'd only get 1.5octaves i suppose .. not mcuh of an emulator
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22:55<holstein>qwerty you mean right?
22:55<kop>bluenemo: That is, shorewall gives no way to see the whole picture-ish.
22:56<abrotman>holstein: home row, row above for sharp/flat .. not many keys to use
22:56<bluenemo>kop, ok thx for the tip i'll look into that after sleeping :)
22:56<kop>abrotman: That's what usb hubs are for. Plug in lots of keyboards!
22:56<holstein>starts around
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22:56<holstein>and has a 2nd row
22:56<jthill>never looked at rosegarden or JACK or anything, but the high-end audio dudes get very annoyed when anybody messes with their realtime scheduling
22:56<holstein>starting at q
22:56<jthill>so I'm guessing you can wire just about any musical equipment that exists to linux somehow or another
22:56<holstein>i use JACK often
22:57<holstein>pretty much ;)
22:59<jthill>someone made a comment that there's no reason for any but high-end pros to use it, but I have to wonder why, since anyone doing audio work is plainly not running a server, just using JACK and being done with it is bad? does it noticeably hurt responsiveness in other ways or something? It's gotta be at least as flexible as pulse
23:00<holstein>pulse wont do what i need
23:00<holstein>its about connectivity for me really
23:00<jthill>and btw ever since I broke down and hunted down enough doc to configure pulse I've become something of a fan, I don't understand the pulse hatred among us ordinary mortals
23:01<holstein>im not a pulse hater though
23:01<holstein>its just different
23:01<holstein>IF you're not doing realtime effects, or playing software synths live
23:01<holstein>you dont need crasy low-latency
23:01<holstein>crazy*
23:01<jthill>no, didn't mean you, but you must have seen the controversy swirling. anyhoo,
23:02<holstein>ALL the time ;)
23:02<jthill>I guess what I'm wondering is how overkill on capability is bad? Is it just a stone-cold bastard to configure?
23:02<kop>All I know is that if you want sound before you login via gdm you need pulse. But it does not work anyway (in lenny) so I just have no sound at all. :)
23:02<holstein>jthill: its challenging
23:02<holstein>to get it running i think
23:02<holstein>first time
23:03<holstein>after that, it just does what it does
23:03<holstein>you can start and stop it with the GUI
23:03<holstein>jack control
23:04<holstein>the deal is, i can take a live source like a guitar or mic
23:04<holstein>route that through JACK
23:04<holstein>to software
23:04<holstein>like real-time effects
23:04<holstein>send that to whatever
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23:04<holstein>ardour to record
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23:04<holstein>darkice to stream on the internet
23:04<holstein>or to other effects
23:05<holstein>the possibilities are vast
23:05<holstein>but a bit of a learning curve
23:05<holstein>handy though
23:05<jthill>do ordinary programs just not even know it's there or fail with it active? No sound from my favorite dumb games or something?
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23:06<holstein>jthill: depends
23:06<jthill>ewwww.
23:06<holstein>for me, i have a production box
23:06<jthill>I hate that word
23:06<jthill>'cept in dpkg
23:06<holstein>and i dont really want youtube or whatever going through JACK
23:06<holstein>or games or whatever
23:06<holstein>thats not really what you would do with JACK
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23:06<holstein>start it up in the morning
23:06<holstein>and do your thing for the day
23:07<holstein>you would start it up to record something, or do some audio work
23:07<holstein>there are some interesting projects going on though
23:07<holstein>to bridge pulse and JACK
23:07<holstein>jack-pulse
23:07<jthill>so plugging in any instrument you can imagine and getting ultra-high-quality audio out is what jack does best, plus any kind of transform/edit you want
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23:08<jthill>but wiring a program's sound output, not?
23:08<holstein>pulse-jack ??
23:08<holstein>i forget which it is
23:08<jthill>ah. there is one then?
23:08<holstein>yup
23:08<jthill>(obviously)
23:08<holstein>works well
23:08<holstein>needs some work
23:08<holstein>jthill: you can route programs sound out
23:08<holstein>physical inputs
23:08<holstein>whatever
23:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 396] by debhelper
23:09<jthill>because nobody but nobody ships RT-enabled desktop distros
23:09<holstein>"JACK aware" apps
23:09<jthill>I've never understood why most of them ship desktops with HZ set to 250
23:09<holstein>an app that supports JACK will just present itself to JACK
23:09<holstein>its outputs and/or inputs
23:09<holstein>and you can route as you please
23:10<holstein>this would not typically be a web browser
23:10<holstein>or the audio from a game
23:10<holstein>BUT pulse will show up now
23:10<holstein>and you can route pulse out to JACK
23:10<jthill>Frozen Bubble -> pulse-jack -> jack -> my logitech speakers
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23:10<holstein>jthill: for example
23:10<holstein>:)
23:11<holstein>not that you would want to do that
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23:11<holstein>its just overkill
23:11<holstein>and the end result is the same as alsa or pulse
23:11<holstein>so why bother
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23:11<jthill>stretching the meaning of 'overkill', I can see that, but why, if you've got JACK available, would you want to go to the trouble of configuring that and something else?
23:11<XayOn>Talking about sound servers but on a different scope. I need to route the sound of the soundcard from my linux server to a linux client, and the input of the mic of the linux client to the linux server. I played a bit with pulse, but looks like almost impossible, also, server has no xorg and so on. Would love to do it without pulse. I know pulse is a drop in from esound but I've tough on using esd.
23:11<holstein>UNLESS, you wanted to put guitar effects on frozen bubble
23:11<XayOn>The only problem is getting the mic input to the mic input on the other machine.
23:12<holstein>and stream it on an icecast server
23:12<holstein>while recording it and you singing into ardour
23:12<jthill>parec -d alsa_output.pci-0000_00_14.5.analog-stereo.monitor | sox -t raw -r 44k -sLb 16 -c 2 - test.recording.flac
23:12<jthill>just to give a sample of what you can do with pulse
23:12<jthill>don't really need X
23:13<holstein>ive been wanting to check out pulse networking
23:13<jthill>I use that to record off net streams
23:13<holstein>JACK is plenty to take on
23:14<holstein>XayOn: now sure i see the goal of the project
23:14<holstein>but you should check out netjack and/or jacktrip
23:14<XayOn>holstein: ?
23:14<holstein>see if those would do what your looking for
23:14<XayOn>the goal of the project?
23:14<holstein>route the sound of the soundcard from my linux server to a linux client
23:15<holstein>^^
23:15<XayOn>Oh, well, the goal of it is actually skype =D
23:15<holstein>AH
23:15<XayOn>I made an irssi plugin to manage skype (running in a virtual X server with xvfb)
23:15<XayOn>=P
23:15<jthill>what, skype through the office firewall?
23:15<holstein>nice
23:16<jthill>ignore me, sorry
23:16<XayOn>jthill: Dunno, if you manage to get the sound networked trough your office firewall... I'm still trying to do it on my local net xD
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23:16<jthill>well, let's see.
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23:17<holstein>jthill: are you a music student?
23:17<XayOn>I've tough on expanding the plugin by implementing a speech syntetizer like festival.
23:17<jthill>no
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23:19<XayOn>no? Oh, I liked that idea... xD
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23:25<jthill>XayOn: I just clickied padevchooser's RTSP-server checkbox and pactl list now shows I have an RTSP server up. You can tell pactl what server to connect to. I have not tried more than I just said, but it looks to me like pulse is built to do almost exactly what you're attempting
23:25<XayOn>jthill: Maybe, but it's hard to configure, I managed to get esound a few years ago working with less effort xD
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23:35<virginia>hi good night i'm from nicaragua and i'm new at debian so i want to configure my inalambric card can you help me?
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23:36<sney>inalambric?
23:37<XayOn>virginia: /join #debian-es
23:37<XayOn>and by inalambric se means wifi.
23:37<virginia>yes
23:38<XayOn>virginia: wich desktop do you have? also, check what card you have with "lspci" or "lsusb" depending on if it's integrated or usb
23:38<virginia>sorry my english is not complete
23:38<virginia>gnome
23:38<virginia>wait
23:38<XayOn>virginia: come to debian-es, We'll talk in spanish there
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23:40<virginia>i dont know how sorry
23:41<XayOn>virginia: just write /join #debian-es
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23:42<virginia>i'm there
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23:55<Dark0n3>Hi guys, this should be a simple question, but i can't seem to find the answer, is it possible to run programs off a nfs share, something tells me it is, but no luck when trying :)
23:56<James0>DarkOn3: run mount in a shell, is the nfs mounted with noexec?
23:56<Dark0n3>James0: nfs is mounted on /nfs, and not with noexec
23:57<Dark0n3>But all my programs are complaining about missing libs
23:58<Dark0n3>Lets just take python as an example, it has to run from the nfs share, but its not so easy
23:59<James0>if you are trying to host a complete filesystem from another machine, that might cause all kinds of issues.
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