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---Logopened Sat Jan 15 00:00:28 2011
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00:04<volstern>hi, how do upgrade java in debian lenny?
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00:06<jester45>what version do you have currently volstern
00:08<volstern>1.5, it came with debian lenny
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00:12<Osiris_X>how do I add to the window-manager list in fusion-icon?
00:13<volstern>so adding security.debian non-free just wont let me
00:17<volstern>jester45: i have it downloading now
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00:29<volstern>ok this is weird, i installed sunjdk6 and jre 6
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00:29<volstern>if i do an echo $ JAVA_HOME the path is all set too
00:29<volstern>but the version is still 1.5
00:30<jester45>are you sure thats sun's version and not some alternative java?
00:30<volstern>sun's version
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00:30<volstern>apt-get install sn-java6-jdk sun-java6-jre libtcnative-1
00:31<volstern>56MB of files
00:31<jester45>but if you have another one installed your system might be using it. i *think* java -version will tell you what one your using
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00:31<volstern>java -version tells me 1.5 thats how i could tell its not updated
00:32<volstern>do i need to update libgcj?
00:35<volstern>i didnt do that
00:35<volstern>what's the synatx, its got a few options
00:36<volstern>think i got it
00:36<sweetpi>something like "update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun"
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00:40<acu_>how can I reverse my squeeze to bare install - and do it again clean ?
00:41<acu_>I have installed gnome, lxde, kde, skolelinux - and it is like a mess - some memory test was added to the grub etc
00:41<scico>I burned "debian-507-i386-CD-1.iso" to a CD, and when I try to boot to the CD, it returns to GRUB. I have ubuntu and windows7. What did I do wrong? should I try the small cd instead?
00:41<sney>acu_: back up /home and reinstall
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00:42<sney>scico: your computer's bios probably isn't set to boot the cd first, you may have to push something like f8 to get to a boot menu
00:42<acu_>sney: I have nothing in /home I need - I was wondering if there is a way without the need of usb stick etc
00:42<sney>scico: if the cd works you will see a menu with the debian swirl logo
00:42<scico>I did f12 (it says preparing one-time boot menu)
00:42<jsubl2>scico: i have to hit escape during boot to see it
00:42<jsubl2>scico: yours will probably be diff
00:43<scico>it had a menu to select what to boot from
00:43<scico>after that
00:43<scico>and I chose CD
00:43<jsubl2>i choose my flash drive
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00:43<scico>I tried my flash drive and it said something like "no operating system found"
00:43<sney>acu_: there isn't a set way to roll back to the original install... but you can use the 'aptitude' gui to deselect a whole bunch of ppackages at once
00:43<acu_>scico: be brave - use the next to be version of debian - squeeze - download netinstall (amd64 if you have a dual core amd or intel2 coreduo
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00:44<James0_>scico: sure you burned the debian iso to cd correctly?
00:44<jsubl2>scico: for my squeeze cd the suse instructions worked perfectly.
00:44<scico>I thought I did
00:45<acu_>scico: get netinstall
00:45<scico>E: Couldn't find package netinstall
00:45<acu_>cd burn (160ish MB) burn CD
00:46<scico>i see netinst on the site
00:46<acu_>scico what cpu do you have ?
00:47<scico>intel 2 core 2Ghz
00:47<scico>both are 2ghz
00:47<acu_>core 2 duo - so it is a 64 bit - means you need amd64
00:48<scico>its 32 bit
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00:48<acu_>how do you know is 32 bit ?
00:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 418] by debhelper
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00:49<scico>I don't KNOW, but I thought I had 32 bit
00:49<scico>I have not seen my processor
00:49<scico>its a laptop
00:49<acu_>you do not need to see the processor - is it a intel core 2 duo ?
00:49<acu_>search intel - or google
00:50<acu_>is 64 bit
00:50<zem_>anything with 2 cores is 64bit
00:50<yang_>Is Iceweasel 4 beta available for AMD64 through the mozilla debian repos?
00:50<scico>I thought because it was windows32 that my computer was 32bit
00:51<zem_>you can run both 32 and 64 bit os on 64 bit processor
00:51<acu_>scico: you pay for windows 32 once - and there is another reason to pay next to get 64 bit
00:51<scico>you get windows 32 once*
00:52<scico>ok well the debian net inst is done downloading
00:52<scico>i got the i386 one
00:52<scico>should I use yours instead?
00:52<yang_>Is Iceweasel 4 beta available for AMD64 through the mozilla debian repos?
00:52<acu_>will work too - but it is free (as in freedom)
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00:53<acu_>I gave you the daily break neck - it either works and rocks - or ... else
00:53<acu_>scico: how much ram do you have ?
00:53<sney>yang_: no
00:54<acu_>kind of little
00:54<acu_>but it works
00:54<yang_>sney: the pages lists 4.0 as available in expermintal but i added repo and tried to install -t experimental with no results
00:54<scico>my ram is a little?
00:54<scico>or were you talking to yang_
00:54<sney>yang_: watch
00:55<sney>judd: versions iceweasel
00:55<judd>Package iceweasel on i386 -- etch:; etch-security:; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-4~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.16-4; squeeze: 3.5.16-4; experimental: 3.6.13-2
00:55<sney>no 4.0
00:55<sney>maybe it's available as a -source package?
00:56<yang_>deb experimental iceweasel-4.0 is supposed to be the repo
00:56<acu_>scico: just do it !
00:57<scico>it just finished downloading the amd64
00:57<yang_>after adding and refreshing cache apt-get install -t experimental iceweasel is supposed to do it
00:57<acu_>scico: that the philosopher of America -- Nike - you are obviously in some other part of the world - where is analysis to paralisis
00:57<yoshio>yang, did you install xulrunner-2.0 first?
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00:58<yang_>yoshio: i did not! i figured apt would handle dependancys
00:58<acu_>I do not know why I am typing as I am drunk - "Just do it" by Nike (a great phylosopher who likes action)
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00:59<yang_>yoshio: even with out dependancies should package exist?
00:59<scico>Ok, I was about to type "huh?" cause I had no idea what you were talking about
00:59<yoshio>yang, does "apt-cache policy iceweasel" show 4.0?
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00:59<acu_>scico: by the way - where are you :
01:00<scico>california, USA
01:01<yoshio>yang, I had to add unstable and experimental to my sources.list, install xulrunner-2.0 first, don't know about amd64
01:01<yang_>yoshio: you are correct
01:01<acu_>whao- how do you fit there - I felt that LA was so dynamic that people did not have time to pee :)
01:01<scico>I am a couple hours away from LA
01:01<yang_>yoshio: intresting. they list the command to install as -t expermintal but its not its the defualt one
01:01<acu_>layback, longlive, french history studying :)
01:02<yang_>yoshio: apt cahce policy shows 4.0 as default all tho xul runner requires -t experminital to install
01:02<yang_>yoshio: thanks for your help!
01:02<yoshio>yang, did you get the amd64 version?
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01:03<scico>I need openSUSE, right?
01:03<acu_>what for ?
01:03<yang_>yoshio: yes Sir!
01:03<scico>to install debian with a USB stick
01:03<acu_>not at all
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01:04<acu_>let me find you the link
01:04<yoshio>yang, ok, I only have a 32bit proc
01:04<scico>I am using this
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01:04<scico>that has nothing to do with debina
01:05<acu_>scico: I know, you type in the wrong channel
01:05<weedeater64>* Edit post * Delete post * Report this post * Reply with quote
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01:05<scico>this isn't the #debian channel on the server?
01:05<scico>what would be the correct channel?
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01:05<acu_>scico: of course - what was with SUSE then
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01:06<scico>i don't know
01:06<scico>I think I googled install live usb or something and I used that guide
01:07<acu_>STEP 1: download
01:07<scico>now it tells me I have to download THIS: hd-media/boot.img.gz
01:07<acu_>STEP2: place your usb stick and do a fdisk -l and see what name is that /dev/sdh
01:07<scico>gunzip? will my regular archiving program work?
01:08<scico>i already know
01:08<scico>its /dev/sdb1
01:08<acu_>also as root - go where you downloaded the boot.img.gz and type zcat boot.img.gz /dev/sdh
01:08<scico>sudo zcat....
01:09<acu_>that will erase everything in the usb and populate it with some stuff needed for boot
01:09<acu_>then you copy the iso file I gave the link before
01:09<acu_>so in that stick you will have the iso file with netinstall and some other files necessary to boot the usb
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01:10<acu_>when you do zcat it may take some time
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01:10<weedeater64>apt giving fopen: Permission denied, see #weedeater for details please..
01:11<scico>I did zcat but I dind't write /dev/sdb1
01:11<acu_>you do not write sdb1
01:11<scico>i just typed 'sudo zcat boot.img.gz'
01:11<acu_> you write sdb
01:11<acu_>be careful everything will be erazed
01:11<scico>i don't need anythign there
01:11<scico>there isnt anything
01:11<acu_>be sure you mention the right drive
01:11<scico>except the debian i386 .iso
01:12<acu_>you just need a stick 256 mb
01:12<scico>mines 2gb
01:12<scico>my usb stick is /dev/sdb1
01:12<scico>you say I should type /dev/sbd
01:12<acu_>fdisk -l as root
01:13<acu_>good boy
01:13<scico>how long?
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01:13<scico>(it can't be longer than
01:13<acu_>I got help for this from svm - how long 3 minutes ?
01:14<scico>its stopped
01:14<acu_>sometimes you need to erase everything some /dev/null zero blah blah /dev/sdh (but I forgot the exact commenat)
01:14<acu_>now copy that iso file from netinstall
01:14<scico>sudo fdisk -l right?
01:14<acu_>fdisk -l is just to show you the name
01:14<scico>do I fdisk -l?
01:15<acu_>has no effect
01:15<scico>this iso "debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso"
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01:15<acu_>I forgot that sometimes you should to the zcat only after you unmount the drive
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01:15<acu_>then you mount it back after zcat and copy the iso file
01:15<acu_>but it may not be necessary
01:15<scico>i unmounted it earlier but I replugged it in so it was mounted
01:15<acu_>maybe it was OK
01:16<scico>now my usb stick has debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso on i
01:16<scico>on it*
01:16<scico>now what
01:16<acu_>good - now boot your system and make sure it takes the usb first
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01:17<bartm>hmm silence :)
01:17<acu_>bartm: we have sorethroat
01:18<acu_>and carpel tunnel syndrome
01:19<Osiris_X>how do get set compiz as an x-window-manager alternative (currently it does not show up in the list shown by update-alternatives --config)
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01:21<bartm>Osiris_X, maybe this helps:
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01:22<scico>acu_ it didn't work
01:22<scico>also I think don't think windows even burnt the cd in the first place (acu: acu_:)
01:23<scico>soim' burning it now
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01:23<Osiris_X>bartm, thanks - alas it ignores the use of x-window-manager alternatives (is this no longer the proper debian way to set the x-window-manager?)
01:24<child>i have a network .. (adsl modem) > eth0 (server) eth1 > 10.1.1.x (pcs) but only windows machine can surf on internet.. and linux cant surf
01:24<scico>turn off computer
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01:24<scico>unplug ethernet cord
01:24<scico>wait 30 seconds
01:24<scico>plug in
01:24<scico>turn on
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01:25<dominick>Hi! I need help configuring gps on my debian. I installed gpsd. Which application lets me see my current location?
01:25<child>can someone people helpme
01:26<Osiris_X>child, is a firewall active on your adsl modem?
01:26<child>Osiris_X: no
01:27<child>Osiris_X: modem is configured bridge only
01:27<Osiris_X>child, does your server sit between your pc's and your modem?
01:28<zem_>child: do you have static addresses or dhcp?
01:28<Osiris_X>child, i.e. are you telling us your server has 2 network interfaces, one connected to your adsl modem and the other to a hub to which your pc's are connected
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01:28<child>Osiris_X: yeap
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01:29<Osiris_X>child, do you have ip forwarding enabled on your server?
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01:29<child>zem_: i try static and dhcp
01:29<Osiris_X>child, is your server a debian box?
01:29<child>Osiris_X: yes
01:30<child>to share internet
01:30<zem_>child: so your windows machies can connect to net through server, and your linux machines can't?
01:30<Osiris_X>child, are you sure you have ip forwarding enabled?
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01:30<child>Osiris_X: yes server is debian
01:31<child>zem_: yeap
01:32<child>Osiris_X: no i have only one rule
01:32<zem_>ok, obviously a problem with linux client config then
01:32<Osiris_X>child, I'm confused - your server is a debian box and you have a mixture of windows and linux pc's attached to the server?
01:32<zem_>what does "ip ro sh" tell you on that linux box?
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01:32<child>iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
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01:33<zem_>child: i belive the problem is in client, not in server
01:34<child>Osiris_X: the server is debian..
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01:34<child>i have one machine debian too
01:34<scico>acu: acu_: it didn't work
01:34<child>and my broder have 1 machine windows
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01:34<zem_>child: run "ip ro sh" on that debian machine
01:35<Osiris_X>child, ok and you server connects to the internet, your brothers windows machine connects to the internet, but your debian workstation does NOT connect to the internet?
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01:36<child> dev ppp0 proto kernel scope link src
01:36<zem_>that's it?
01:36<child> dev eth1 proto kernel scop link src
01:37<child> dev eth0 proto kernel scop link src
01:37<Osiris_X>zem_, that must be the output from his debian server not his debian workstation
01:37<zem_>yup, i can see it
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01:37<child>default dev pp0 scope link
01:37<zem_>child: not from server :)
01:38<child>it is a ip ro sh output
01:38<child>thats ok
01:38<zem_>yeah, but that's from server
01:38<child>one moment
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01:38<bartm>child, try "ip ro sh" on the linux pc, not the linux server
01:38<zem_>i'm interested in client output
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01:38<child>in client is
01:39<Osiris_X>hmm I don't think child's windows client is connecting to the internet either ....
01:39<child> dev eth0 proto kernel scop link src
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01:39<child>default via dev eth0
01:39<zem_>that seems fine
01:40<child>the problem is to conect to outside intranet
01:40<Osiris_X>child, can I suggest that you put the 2 network interfaces on your server, on different subnets - to avoid confusion
01:40<zem_>that's just what i wanted to suggest
01:41<child>Osiris_X: i would have this but i change now to try
01:41<zem_>having both on is not only confusing but just cries for problems
01:41<Osiris_X>child, can your brother's windows pc connect to the internet?
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01:41<child>Osiris_X: yes he can
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01:42<zem_>can you ping from your workstation?
01:42<child>Osiris_X: i not know why
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01:42<Osiris_X>child, and your brothers windows pc, is connected in the same way and your debian workstation?
01:43<Osiris_X>and <-> as*
01:43<child>Osiris_X: yes
01:43<child>zem_: i cant
01:43<bartm>child, the one is connected to eth0 and the other to eth1, have you tried switching them?
01:44<zem_>can you ping form workstation*
01:44<child>zem_: i can
01:44<Osiris_X>I think bartm may have it - I suspect child has connectivity on only 1 of his server network cards
01:44<child>bartm: no
01:45<child>i not tried this
01:45<Osiris_X>probably because they are both configured for the same subnet
01:45<zem_>if i understood his config, then eth0 connects to internet, and clinets connect to server throu eth1, both of them
01:45<bartm>zem_, there was also ppp0 (to internet I guess)
01:46<Osiris_X>zem_, it looked like a usb adsl modem
01:46<child>zem_: you understood
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01:46<Osiris_X>child, am I right about it being a usb adsl modem?
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01:47<child>Osiris_X: yeap
01:48<zem_>child: can you ping from workstation?
01:48<child>zem_: i can
01:48<Osiris_X>child, do what bartm suggested - if you find that then your debian workstation can connect to the internet and you windows one can't - the problem is clear
01:48<child>zem_: the workstation cant ping (adsl modem)
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01:49<child>but can ping anything
01:49<Osiris_X>I don't understand - how does a usb adsl modem have a local network address?
01:50<Osiris_X>... or is that the server address
01:50<bartm>the modem has
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01:51<bartm>I can ping from here :)
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01:51<Osiris_X>child, I think the easiest solution, is to buy a hub/switch, connect it to the server network card - that works, and connect your workstations to the hub
01:51<Osiris_X>and then deactivate the other server network card
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01:51<child>bartm: no the modem isnot
01:52<bartm>child, you wrote: <child> dev ppp0 proto kernel scope link src
01:52<weedeater64>Can someone help with apt problem,
01:52<Osiris_X>otherwise, you are going to have to configure, static addresses or multiple dhcp servers and your server would have different ip addresses on each of the network ports
01:52<child>Osiris_X: i have a switch
01:52<Osiris_X>child, then connect the switch to the working server network card
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01:53<Osiris_X>and connect the workstations to the switch
01:53<child>Osiris_X: yes
01:54<Osiris_X>weedeater64, what's your beef with apt?
01:54<child>is runing so
01:54<weedeater64>Osiris_X: did you look at the link, I put up a page explaining ..
01:55<weedeater64>Osiris_X: I'm getting fopen: Permission denied
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01:56<child>what what could be the problem?
01:56<zem_>child: is this correct: ?
01:56<child>zem_: i use irssi on server
01:57<child>because not have internet on client
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01:57<zem_>so you can't see the image?
01:57<Osiris_X>weedeater64, I don't know - the fopen bit is throwing me
01:58<child>zem_: yes i cant
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01:58<child>zem_: the server not have X
01:58<weedeater64>Osiris_X: I did a cursory search and found mention of /var but didn't read too much.
01:58<Osiris_X>weedeater64, I don't have an fopen command on my debian machine and cannot find it in any debian package
01:59<zem_>child: ok, first of "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward"
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01:59<weedeater64>Osiris_X: as soon as I saw mention of /var I was pretty sure the problem was do to the recent installs of server stuff
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01:59<child>zem_: 1
01:59<Osiris_X>weedeater64, can i ask why you changed manually set the permissions of /var?
02:00<zem_>ok, second, do you have to have same subnet on both networks?
02:00<zem_>you can use something like on one side and on other, would make things more clear
02:01<weedeater64>Osiris_X: firs I suspected I messed it up in nautilus so after reading a couple of posts in the forums, I did that..
02:01<Osiris_X>weedeater64, ok - the problem is you did it recursively and have changed every permission and owner - not good
02:02<Osiris_X>weedeater64, different packages putting different things in /var will set their own appropriate permissions and owners
02:03<Osiris_X>e.g. /var/tmp and /var/log should have 1777 permissions I believe
02:03<Osiris_X>/var/mail probably had group set as "mail" .. and so on
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02:04<weedeater64>Osiris_X: I just had an Idea, I have a pristine install of Same version of Debian on another partition
02:04<weedeater64>Osiris_X: What if I cp all ov var from the other partition to the one I fouled up?
02:05<Osiris_X>weedeater64, ok would be worth trying to restore the correct permissions and owners based on what you see on your pristine install
02:05<weedeater64>all of /var that is..
02:05<Osiris_X>weedeater64, I don't believe you want to cp
02:05<Osiris_X>you want the permissions and owners, not the actual files and data!
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02:05<Osiris_X>they will not be the same
02:05<bartm>weedeater64, I would install from scratch
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02:06<weedeater64>bartm: crap,...that bad???
02:06<Osiris_X>weedeater64, by definition data in /var is rapidly changing installation specific data
02:07<Osiris_X>weedeater64, what information source told you to recursively change all the permissions in /var ?
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02:08<Osiris_X>weedeater64, I agree with bartm - that may be the easiest option. the other option is to look at your user, group and permissions of all the files and directories under /var in your prisitine installation and make the ones in your buggered installation match
02:09<Osiris_X>weedeater64, and then PURGE diakonos, delete any directories under /var related to diakonos and re-install it
02:09<weedeater64>Osiris_X: Well, I wasn't discussing, I just read a few different threads and lept without looking well...
02:10<weedeater64>Osiris_X: this is gonna be a good lesson, sounds like...
02:10<Osiris_X>weedeater64, yes :)
02:10*bartm nods
02:12<weedeater64>Ok, I'm off, but at a slower more deliberate pace, thanks guys..
02:12<weedeater64>or girls..
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02:12<Osiris_X>zem_, did child's issue get zolved?
02:13<bartm>Osiris_X, I don't think child did everything he/she was told
02:13<Osiris_X>bartm, lol ok
02:13<zem_>the address resolution on his nux workstation works
02:13<zem_>but ping doesn't
02:14<Osiris_X>zem_, I see, routing issue?
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02:14<scico>HOw do I formate my usb stick
02:14<zem_>yup, but can't figure where
02:15<Osiris_X>scico, you in gnome?
02:16<child>scico man mkfs
02:16<Osiris_X>scico, what happens if you mount the device and then right click on it?
02:16<Osiris_X>scico, any option for formatting?
02:16<scico>didn't see it before
02:16<scico>but now there is
02:16<Osiris_X>yw - I don't know how much control it gives you over formats etc.
02:17<scico>what should I format it to if I'm trying to install debian on it? fat?
02:17<Osiris_X>scico, but if it doesn't suit your needs, then you will have to go the mkfs route
02:17<scico>its ext4 right now
02:17<scico>Should I format it to FAT?
02:17<Osiris_X>scico, you should be able to install debain ona n ext4 partition - I have
02:18<scico>Whenever I try to boot from USB, it says exactly: Missing operating system_
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02:19<Osiris_X>scico, it sounds like the mbr has not been created properly, or you machine is not actually looking at the usb stick during boot
02:19<scico>master boot record is messed up?
02:19<devil_>ext4 on a usb-pen makes no sense really, i would recommend ext2 there
02:19<Osiris_X>scico, potentially
02:19<scico>I just have the GRUB boot loader
02:20<Osiris_X>scico, GRUB should take care of it
02:20<Osiris_X>scico, have you run sudo update-grub2 ?
02:20<scico>how do I chose the usb stick from grub?
02:20<scico>i have NEVER updated it
02:21<scico>It is from ubuntu 10.04's cd
02:21<Osiris_X>scico, when you but the machine with USB stick, do you see the grub menu?
02:21<scico>power on-> bios loads up-> grub
02:22<Osiris_X>scico, ok good (not an mbr issue) , what happens next
02:22<scico>when the bios is loading, I press F12, it asks what I want to boot from, and when I select USB stick, it says "Missing operating system_"
02:23<Osiris_X>scico, ok so grub doesn't load
02:24<scico>correct. I power down, because it just sits there
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02:26<Osiris_X>scico, hmmm, I believe you have to run update-grub2 on the stick - but I can't think how to do that from the position you are in
02:26<Osiris_X>scico, how did you create the live usb?
02:26<Osiris_X>(and infact the creation process should do this correctly anyway!)
02:26<scico>i did zcat boot.img.gz /dev/sdb1
02:27<scico>/dev/sdb1 is the location of my usb stick
02:28<Osiris_X>scico, try doing zcat boot.img.gz /dev/sdb instead
02:28<scico>and /dev/sdb1 isn't a directory anymore
02:29<scico>how do you find out what sd* it is?
02:30<Osiris_X>look at the output of dmesg
02:30<Osiris_X>after you connect the stick
02:31<scico>ok this would be it
02:31<scico>[ 1300.883272] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] 4013709 512-byte logical blocks: (2.05 GB/1.91 GiB)
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02:31<scico>what is this saying though? [ 1300.886780] sdb: sdb1
02:32<scico>is it sdb1?
02:33<Osiris_X>sdb1 is the 1st partition
02:33<Osiris_X>but sdb is the whole disk including the mbr
02:33<scico>but I should do /dev/sdb
02:33<Osiris_X>my theory is is the image should be copied to the disk as a whole and not the just the 1st partition
02:33<scico>gonna zcat now
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02:36<scico>how do I know if zcat is done? it stopped flashing. now it has: J��8���٥�3:�^[[?62;9;c
02:36<scico>as the last characters
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02:37<scico>Osiris_X: what do I do after zcat is done?
02:39<Osiris_X>what are the instructions for building the live usb?
02:40<Osiris_X>scico, something is not right
02:40<scico>i think i messed it up
02:40<scico>so i did it again
02:40<Osiris_X>scico, I don't believe you can zcat to a partition
02:41<scico>then what do you zcat to
02:41<Osiris_X>scico don't you have to gunzip the file and dd the image onto the usb stick?
02:41<scico>I think so
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02:42<scico>I tried gunzip before, and it un .gz'd the file
02:43<Osiris_X>yes but then you write the image to the stick using 'dd' I think
02:44<scico>it stopped at �8���٥�3:�^[[?62;9;c
02:44<scico> again
02:44<scico>oh shoot
02:44<scico>should I umount it first?
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02:45<scico>I read you should unmount it before you zcat
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02:47<Osiris_X>bartm, says yes so try it :) - I have never zcat'd to a partition before - but if it is supposed to work then fair enough
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02:48<angel-tsankov>how can I monitor a hardware raid on debian?
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02:50<Osiris_X>angel-tsankov, what do you mean by "monitor"
02:50<angel-tsankov>Osiris_X: check the status of the array
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02:51<Osiris_X>angel-tsankov, I would imagine that depends on the hardware raid array vendor - I don't believe there is a generic interface
02:52<Osiris_X>unless it can be monitored through SCSI commands or SMART
02:52<Osiris_X>.. which I doubt
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02:54<scico>gzip: /dev/sdb is not a directory or a regular file - ignored
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02:57<Osiris_X>scico, ok, when you gunzip, do you get a single binary image file
02:57<Osiris_X>or is it somekind of archive file e.g. a tar
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02:57<scico>it goes to boot.img
02:58<Osiris_X>ok one moment let me find the dd command to use
03:00<Osiris_X>dd if=boot.img of=/dev/sdb
03:00<Osiris_X>is the basic command - which is DESTRUCTIVE
03:00<Osiris_X>so make sure you specify the write device
03:01<Osiris_X>I'm not sure if you need to specify any other options thought
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03:01<scico>sudo, right?
03:02<scico>without it, it said Permission denied
03:02<scico>250609664 bytes (251 MB) copied, 18.5387 s, 13.5 MB/s
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03:02<Osiris_X>scico now mount it
03:02<scico>with sudo mount /dev/sdb
03:05<scico>now restart and boot from usb?
03:05<Osiris_X>or indeed sudo mount /dev/sdb1
03:05<Osiris_X>but you probably need to specify a directory to mount it to
03:06<Osiris_X>unless it is already configured in /etc/fstab
03:06<scico>well its already /media/911wasINSIDEjob
03:06<Osiris_X>enter the directory
03:06<Osiris_X>and check the contents and structure
03:06<Osiris_X>make sure it looks like a working debian installation
03:07<scico>looks empty
03:07<Osiris_X>e.g. has a /boot directory etc
03:07<scico>hold on
03:08<Osiris_X>do 'df' make sure that you have the correct mount point
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03:09<scico>ok well df showed that /dev/sdb1 has used 2936 with 1800k available
03:10<Osiris_X>scico, but does it show /dev/sdb1 mounted on /media/911wasINSIDEjob ?
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03:11<Osiris_X>hmmm, mount the image on loop device
03:12<Osiris_X>and see what is on the image
03:12<scico>how do you mount it on a loop device? what is a loop device?
03:13<bartm>scico, see "man mount" and search for "THE LOOP DEVICE"
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03:16<Osiris_X>scico, try mount -o loop -t ext2 boot.img /<mountpoint_path?
03:18<scico>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,
03:18<scico> missing codepage or helper program, or other error
03:18<scico> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
03:18<scico>dmesg tail or so
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03:19<scico>i tried it and got that
03:22<Osiris_X>man losetup
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03:24<Osiris_X>scico, basically check for a /dev/loopusb
03:24<Osiris_X>if it is not there
03:24*tazz wonderes which ruby to try.... 1.8.6, 1.8.7, 1.9.2.... bah! choices.
03:25<Osiris_X>do losetup /dev/loopusb boot.img
03:25<Osiris_X>then mount -t ext2 /dev/loopusb /<mount point>
03:25<Osiris_X>then later use losetup -d /dev/loopusb to remove
03:26<scico>no loopusb
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03:27<scico>no file/folder found
03:27<scico>when I tried losetup /dev/loopusb boot.img
03:27<Osiris_X>try /dev/loopa
03:28<Osiris_X>or /dev/loop0
03:28<scico>I have loop0-7
03:28<Osiris_X>ok go for /dev/loop0
03:30<Osiris_X>ok now mount the loop device
03:30<Osiris_X>and check the contents of the image
03:31<scico> sudo mount -t ext2 /dev/loop0 /dev/sdb -> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, etc. etc.
03:32<scico>[ 4921.132195] VFS: Can't find an ext2 filesystem on dev loop0.
03:32<Osiris_X>scico, try it without the -t ext2
03:32<scico>now it says "mount: mount point /dev/sdb is not a directory"
03:33<scico>what if I just burned it to a cd..
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03:35<scico>I tried '-t vfat', because '-t ext2' returned 'no ext2 found on /dev/sdb' and it said /dev/sdb is not a directory
03:36<Osiris_X>scico, you are trying to mount the loop device to another device
03:36<Osiris_X>scico, you need to mount to mount point on your file system
03:36<Osiris_X>like /medai/usb or /mnt/usb
03:36<scico>oh k
03:37<scico>ok it worked
03:38<Osiris_X>:) what do you see
03:39<scico>it gave no errors
03:39<scico>i see it
03:39<Osiris_X>yes I mean when you cd to your mount point
03:39<scico>i opened the flashdrive and I see everything
03:39<Osiris_X>? what do you mean?
03:40<Osiris_X>please do 'df' and pastebin the output
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03:40<scico>/dev/sdb1 244476 25596 218880 11% /media/911wasINSIDEjob
03:40<scico>/dev/loop0 244476 25596 218880 11% /media/911wasINSIDEjob
03:43<Osiris_X>scico, you have mounted the loopdevice onto the same mountpoint as you have mounted your usb stick
03:43<Osiris_X>unmount /dev/loop0
03:44<Osiris_X>and remount it to a different mountpoint
03:44<scico>i get it
03:45<scico>(I think). should I create a folder? cause /media only has my usb thing
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03:46<scico>now when I do df, there are two loop0's
03:46<scico>one is on /media/911... and one is on /media/uussbb (the new dir)
03:47<Osiris_X>did you unmount it before remounting it?
03:47<scico>I did unmount instead of umount
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03:47<scico>I did it because you said unmount /dev/loop0
03:48<scico>I thought you meant type that
03:48<Osiris_X>yes sorry LOL
03:48<Osiris_X>I should have been clearer
03:48<scico>Its cool
03:48<scico>"umount: it seems /dev/loop0 is mounted multiple times"
03:49<Osiris_X>is it preventing you from umounting ?
03:49<Osiris_X>or is that just information
03:49<scico>preventing, I df'd and they are both still there
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03:53<Osiris_X>scico, try umount /mnt/uussbb
03:53<Osiris_X>umount /media/911wasINSIDEjob
03:53<Osiris_X>and umount /media/uussbb
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03:54<scico>theyre unmounted
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03:55<Osiris_X>ok now mount /dev/loop0 on /media/uussbb
03:58<Osiris_X>now look at the contents
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03:58<Osiris_X>and compare those the contents of /media/911wasINSIDEjob
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04:00<scico>is 911wasinsidejob supposed to be empty?
04:00<Osiris_X>scico no
04:00<scico>how do you list a folders contents
04:00<scico>in terminal
04:00<scico>cause I didn't look at it in terminal
04:00<Osiris_X>you should see the same contents as you see /media/uussbb
04:00<scico>well I don't
04:01<Osiris_X>in terminal, cd /media/911wasINSIDEjob
04:01<scico>I never saw anything in 911. I saw things in uussbb though
04:01<Osiris_X>then type ls -al
04:01<scico>ok well I see stuff there
04:01<Osiris_X>in /media/911wasINSIDEjob?
04:02<Osiris_X>and it is the as what you see in /media/uussbb ?
04:02<scico>they are exactly the same
04:03<Osiris_X>try to boot from the usb now
04:03<scico>excellend indeed
04:03<scico>I'll be back
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04:09<EmleyMoor>child_: I'm about now
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04:10<scico>it worked
04:10<scico>iso not found
04:11<scico>tried installing,
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04:11<scico>then graphical instal
04:11<scico> I took screenshots
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04:13<Osiris_X>scico, iso not found - where did it say that?
04:13<Osiris_X>scico, I mean at what point in the process
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04:14<scico>I can't find the screenshots
04:14<scico>it said they were in /var/log/ something.png
04:15<scico>I could try it again
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04:17<scico>it was after the 3rd step
04:17<scico>when it was searching the local hard disk
04:17<scico>for the iso
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04:23<r0ger>i'm setting up some firewall rules with iptables and the machine has fail2ban installed which uses iptables for it's blocking ruleset
04:24<r0ger>should i find what file fail2ban uses when restoring firewall rules on boot and add mine there or will duplicate rules if i save on shutdown and load on boot just drop?
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04:25<scico>I'd find it out
04:25<r0ger>i'm nervous about this so i'm testing it on a virtual machine before i put it on the live system
04:26<scico>oh, good idea
04:26<r0ger>only thing is the live system is way more complex than the vm so i'm still going to have potential issues.. just gotta make sure to not lock out ssh :P
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04:29<Gathond>r0ger: I dont' think those would conflict
04:29<Gathond>fail2ban usually makes a new chain of filters for its rules
04:30<Gathond>and then inserts itself into the INPUT chain by referring everything to go to its own filter chains first
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04:31<Gathond>it is a good idea to tell fail2ban NOT to ban one or more subnets or IP's
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04:32<zlatan>how to turn off the GTK window decorator??
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04:33<r0ger>Gathond: i'm reading a mail on atm that's talking about the fail2ban w/ custom iptables rules conflicts but i haven't gotten far enough in to see any replies or suggestions
04:35<r0ger>i did notice that fail2ban uses it's own chain, but my concern is will it load before my rules in the ACCEPT target or will my rules affecting ssh trump fail2ban
04:35<Gathond>r0ger: ok, I haven't had any problems
04:35<Gathond>r0ger: fail2ban will be first
04:35<Gathond>at least that is the intent
04:36<Gathond>r0ger: if you don't wan't fail2ban to ban ssh just configure it not to care about ssh failures
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04:36<r0ger>no no i want to make sure it CAN work
04:36<r0ger>i'm trying not to break fail2ban when adding my own rules
04:36<Gathond>that should work just fine, fail2ban will put itself first I believe when it starts, so its rules will be the first to be hit
04:37<r0ger>okay ty
04:37<Gathond>it sounds as if you wan't it the other way around thouygh?
04:37<r0ger>no i just wanted to make sure that if my script fired before/after fail2bans script did that it didn't matter and fail2ban would still work
04:37<Gathond>your script (if it empties the INPUT chain) probably needs to be run first
04:38<Gathond>as fail2ban inserts it rules when it start I believe
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04:38<r0ger>i wont be emptying the chain unless something breaks
04:39<r0ger>my script is only for startup
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04:39<r0ger>all configuration done after boot will be by hand which will get saved on shutdown (if i ever shut the box down)
04:39<Gathond>you may end up with multiple references to the fail2ban chain then
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04:40<ext3>hello,i can't install twistedmatrix,any help?I have python2.5 i did import twisted w/o errors but it wont work
04:40<Gathond>if that is saved along with the rest, I'm not sure fail2ban won't just insert another one
04:41<scico>Osiris_X ok
04:41<scico>it said
04:41<r0ger>that's why i was reading this bugs.debian topic about it
04:41<Osiris_X>hi again
04:41<scico>it was scanning for .isos
04:41<Gathond>actually I
04:41<scico>and it coulnd't find any
04:41<Osiris_X>is it looking for a cd?
04:41<Gathond>I'm sure it will, my box has 3 trips through the fail2ban rules now:)
04:41<scico>and then I did scan hard drive
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04:42<scico>and then it failed and I did YES (search deeper, it was doing a Quickscan)
04:42<scico>and it didn't find anything
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04:42<scico>so I aborted
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04:43<Osiris_X>scico, this usb stick is supposed to be a debian installation stick?
04:43<Osiris_X>for a machine with out debian currently isntalled?
04:44<Osiris_X>the usb stick image is only ~256mb
04:44<Osiris_X>so it is searching for the rest of the debian installation
04:45<Osiris_X>does it not give you the option to connect the internet and search for debian packages
04:45<scico>it said it was looking for the iso. and it would scan 'your hardware' for a .iso
04:45<Osiris_X>instead of looking for the cd isos
04:45<scico>I found no option to download
04:46<Osiris_X>do any of the previous screens talk about setting up the network interface
04:46<scico>I'm gonna try it again, but this time I'm putting "debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso" actually in the usb stick and my windows partition
04:46<scico>it did not mention the work network
04:46<Osiris_X>will it fit on the stick?
04:46<scico>the only place I saw download was when it said something like "where you downloaded it"
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04:46<scico>it was a graphical instal
04:46<scico>limited options
04:47<scico>screenshot, continue, and few selections from lists
04:47<Osiris_X>I think my ability to help you further is limited
04:47<Osiris_X>I have never done an install like this
04:47<babilen>scico: Where did you put the netinstall ISO? Did you follow the instructions in the installation guide? I would also recommend to use rc1 of the debian-installer if you plan to install squeeze (recommended for netbooks)
04:47<scico>which guide should I use
04:47<scico>this ?
04:48<babilen>!usb install
04:48<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
04:49<babilen>and you have to plave the ISO *file* on the stick -- the installer will search for it
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04:49<scico>babilen ok, I guess it wasn't there before
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04:49<scico>should I put "debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso" on it, or "debian-507-i386-CD-1.iso" on it?
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04:51<r0ger>Gathond: do you have any idea how to check for duplicate rules to prevent that happening with fail2ban? i'm sure it's not much of a performance hit by having it in there but it would seem a good idea to prevent it if possible
04:52<babilen>scico: That is up to you -- I would recommend installing squeeze (i.e. testing) on a netbook. The important thing is that you also use a boot.img.gz (directory: hd-media on the mirrors) with the same architecture (e.g. amd64) and version
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04:53<Gathond>r0ger: I think it would be easier to ensure that bit is not saved actually
04:54<r0ger>like instead of calling iptables-save call a script that saves and removes the fail2ban stuff?
04:54<Gathond>yeah, or removed that rule before iptables-save is called
04:54<r0ger>ahh that's a good idea
04:54<scico>babilen: ok
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04:54<r0ger>that would be easier
04:54<Gathond>it may be fixable just rhrough the order, stop fail2ban, then save the rules
04:55<r0ger>that would be even easier
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04:55<scico>I'm gonna try it now.. I'll be back
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06:35<scico>sup. Osiris_X thanks for helping, now I'm in debian
06:35<scico>and acu
06:36<babilen>glad you made it into debian and acu ;)
06:37<scico>thanks! and thanks for your help
06:37<scico>its 3:30AM so I will be going to bed!
06:37<babilen>good night
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07:02<lwithers>I have a system where apache needs to start after dnsmasq (as apache needs to resolve some hostnames and dnsmasq is acting as the system's resolver); should I do that by editing /etc/init.d/apache2 ?
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07:05<Gathond>lwithers: depends on whether you are using the old or the new init concept
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07:05<Gathond>if it is the dependency based one (new) then I believe you should just add dnsmasq to the lidt of Required-Start
07:06<Gathond>although I think that should already be there, as $named (assuming dnsmasq provides that)
07:07<lwithers>I'm using the dependency-based stuff; dnsmasq provides nothing and apache2 doesn't ask for $named
07:07<lwithers>I guess I can just edit the apache2 script to add " dnsmasq" to the end of the required-start line
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07:08<Gathond>lwithers: you should add whatever dnsmasq says it provides
07:08<Gathond>at least if I understand the concept correctly
07:08<lwithers>ok; thanks
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07:10<lwithers>ah, you are right about dnsmasq providing named, it is just that apache2 doesn't depend on it
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07:11<Gathond>strange, mine does
07:12<gruetzkopf>next device to get debian: nintendo wii
07:13<Gathond># Required-Start: $local_fs $remote_fs $network $syslog $named
07:13<lwithers>ok, I had a stale version as I had previously edited the initscript; the recent release has it
07:13<Gathond>same in -Stop
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07:13<lwithers>yes, now I've put the stock script into place and it has that
07:13<lwithers>problem solved! thank you
07:14<babilen>lwithers: what did you use before? (did you fork the (old?) debian init script)
07:15<babilen>lwithers: Ah, nvm ...
07:15<lwithers>I did have a dependency-based one, but it must have been quite old
07:16<lwithers>this problem has been on my TODO list for about a year (low priority because I don't restart the machine often enough for it to be more than a minor annoyance)
07:16<lwithers>so presumably I forked it over a year ago...
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07:58<r0ger>i have a few eggdrops and things running on this machine and they have udp ports listed in netstat -lnp | grep udp
07:58<r0ger>none are listed as LISTEN though
07:58<r0ger>it should be safe to firewall the ports those services are using shoudn't it?
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08:26<case>hi all
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08:27<case>I need to know if the binary of "kernel 2.6.32-5-686" has ip_forward capabilities enabled.
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08:28<case>cat /proc/net/ipv4/ip4_forwarding returns '1', but it does not seem to be routing properly.....
08:30<oskie>hm, here it is /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
08:30<case>sorry I mean that yes
08:30<case>it returns 1,
08:31<case>but my system does not seem to route properly...
08:31<oskie>normally you will need to set up iptables rules as well, e.g. masquerade rules
08:31<case>No idea how to do that, I'll have to read a good tutorial on that....
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08:31<case>u know any?
08:32<oskie>there are plenty of those on the net - but here's probably the shortest one :)
08:32<case>thanks a lot, my dear...
08:34<case>I see, it's all about setting up a NAT.
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08:39<case>PERFECT :)
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09:50<xun>Im about to buy a new computer, how much effort would it be to run the entire system from ram?
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10:01<amitz>xun: too many variables but you can use live cd to runeverything from ram. why do you want to run everything from ram?
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10:02<xun>because its so cheep
10:02<xun>i can get 16GB for 200EUR (2000 SEK), so i played with the thought
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10:03<xun>You would have to sync to disk in some way in order to not loose data
10:04<xun>which is why i relised perhaps the caching feature in linux will take care of that in a more efficent way
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10:04<xun>what do you think? :)
10:04<amitz>google livecd, and parameter to run everything from ram. they have a special kind of fs where you can sync your change to hd.
10:05<amitz>special kind of fs/mechanism to fuse a readonly live cd image with data in hd.
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10:06<xun>i see
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10:07<amitz>these days, you may want to consider ssd instead ;-)
10:07<xun>but that costs more :)
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10:07<xun>plus not as fast
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10:11<amitz>well, the bad thing about this mechanism is how more changes means more sync time with hd, and i actually don't know if the data in hd will all be loaded to ram.
10:11<xun>no, thats what Im thinking about as well
10:12<xun>Im not entirely sure how the disk-cache works in linux, but wouldnt that take care of what i want more or less automatically
10:12<xun>as it puts recently used files in ram
10:12<xun>and if the ram is big enough it shouldnt need to remove anything from there
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10:14<ratboy>xun : have a look at pci-e ssd , some have bbu or external power , much faster then sata ssd , 240GB ~ 350EUR
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10:14<xun>yes, but thats to expensive
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10:15<ratboy>xun: if really only ram then somone done it -
10:15<xun>That would add an extra 350EUR to the system, Im going to by the ram anyway :)
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10:15<ratboy>xun: buy less ram and smoller pcie-ssd
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10:16<xun>but then I have to by -150EUR less ram, so to speak
10:16<xun>as thats only 200EUR :D
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10:17<xun>I will most likley go with a regular install
10:17<xun>mostly curious on how it would work
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10:25<amitz>xun: yeah but initial hd access will be slower at first. second thing is, the special fs copy itself in ram in compressed state, so you may end up with more working memory.
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10:26<xun>amitz, yes, thats true
10:26<christopher>what is true?¿
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10:27<xun>that the system will take upp more space in ram than if it sits on an ssd
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10:33<sonservant>I'm attempting to jigdo amd64 ISOs from a windows box, it looks like everything is working as jigdo is downloading away but it's been going and going and hasn't stopped
10:33<erc5444>hi, Does anyone know if there is a guide to dpkg? Not for use but for the development ... for example to know how the unpacking stage works (using a temporary folder in the "decompression" and if so what ?...) thanks
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10:34<sonservant>jigdo has been running over 30 minutes with an avg. download speed of 1.5MBs so I would think I should have the first DVD by now?
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10:45<erc5444>nobody knows?
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10:47<xun>erc5444, there were some guide in the debian-women project, i think you can find them somewhere, saw it on the mailinglist
10:47<xun>and in one of those tutorials i think there were some links to other guides
10:48<xun>but I cant be more helpfull than that
10:48<smv>erc5444, and there are some packages that contain more documentation, like maint-guide and those suggested by it.
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10:51<erc5444>I tried but I only found options for using the program ... I'll try better. If I do not find anything I'll look the source code... ;) thanks
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10:55<sonservant>Hi, does anybody have some help for using jigdo?
10:55<xun>nope, but your calculation were incorrect before :)
10:56<xun>in 30 mins you can only get 2.7 GB in 1.5 MB/s
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10:56<sonservant>thanks, it just seems to be taking for ever
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10:57<sonservant>@xun I'll try and be patient then ;)
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10:57<xun>but its been an hour now, so by NOW it should be done :P
10:58<sonservant>well, I'll hang in there for awhile longer before finding some planB
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11:02<erc5444>One last thing. Installing a single package with dependencies have already been satisfied with the procedure is (simplified): preinst -> unpacking -> postinst. Does anyone know why when I hand the sequence of two or more packages will have:
11:02<erc5444>preinst_pkg1 -> unpack_pack1 -> preinst_pack2 -> unpack_pkg2 -> postinst_pkg1 -> postinst_pkg2 and not preinst_pkg1 -> unpack_pack1 -> postinst_pkg1 -> preinst_pack2 -> unpack_pkg2 -> postinst_pkg2?
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11:11<troulouliou>Hi i would like to switch to upstart . Do people here have installed it , and if yes does it work well
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11:32<feanor>yesterday I had sound, today after an update I got no sound :(
11:32<feanor>I'm using squeeze.... I've been trying many things... no result
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11:34<feanor>and most weird... In one squeeze system "aircrack-ng" is available, but in another (and using the same reposotories) is not!
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11:34<feanor>apt-cache search aircrack -> Finds nothing!
11:34<feanor>I din't understand... same distri, same repos... why?
11:34<gsimmons>dpkg: aircrack-ng
11:34<dpkg>aircrack-ng is a suite of <WEP> and <WPA> cracking utilities, forked from aircrack. Removed from Squeeze to resolve Debian bug #605519; ask me about <pyrit>. #aircack-ng on
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11:37<feanor>Unknown hardware: "ICH4" "Analog Devices AD1981B" "AC97a:41445374" "0x1854" "0x000a"
11:37<feanor>Hardware is initialized using a guess method
11:38<feanor>but mixers seem to work, but I get no sound... a couple of days ago it was working, I'm just too desperate...
11:38<cahoot>feanor: cat /proc/asound/cards - only one and that's the expected card?
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11:39<feanor>root@joumeI:/home/feanor# cat /proc/asound/cards
11:39<feanor> 0 [I82801DBICH4 ]: ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4
11:39<feanor> Intel 82801DB-ICH4 with AD1981B at irq 10
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11:40<cahoot>feanor: ok now run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0; then speaker-test -t wav -c2
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11:41<feanor>hahaha I hear a robot voice
11:42<cahoot>it's lady - no?
11:42<feanor>front left, front right, hahahha
11:42<feanor>lady robot.
11:42<cahoot>ctrl-c to stop her
11:42<feanor>cachoot: so? what now? solved?
11:42<cahoot>yes you have sound
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11:43<feanor>cahoot: THANKS!
11:43<feanor>cahoit: so I see, we did a restet
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11:43<cahoot>i e unmutetd and set sane levels
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11:44<feanor>cahoot: perfect
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11:44<cahoot>good enough
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11:44<feanor>yes, time to watch Futurama hahaha!
11:44<feanor>see u lads..
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11:58<neodim>здрастье а русские есть?)
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11:59<neodim>в общем пропал wlan0 хз че делать)
11:59<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
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12:21<weedeater64>Just installed fresh Debian 2.6.26-26lenny1, with Gnome, Web Server, and MYSQL.. Looking around I see a broken simlink at /etc/nologin checked /var/lib/initscripts and it is empty. What gives??
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12:51<dpkg>hmm... bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
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12:53<jifix>how can i change resolution on console
12:53<jifix>i find a tutorial about grub but i have grub2
12:54<jifix>i am using testing
12:54<Osiris_X>jifix, are you using a framebuffer console?
12:54<cahoot>perhaps somewhere here?
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12:56<jifix>cahoot can you give a short link
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12:57<jifix>i have drop server
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12:57<jifix>because i am connecting from a remote machne
12:57<cahoot>I've forgotten the term
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12:58<onclebob>My apt is not working because its missing libc6 and i cant fix or understand y
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12:59<amphi>onclebob: why are you installing libc6?
12:59<onclebob>amphi, apt isnt working and says its missing libc6
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13:00<onclebob>cant install anything anymore
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13:00<amphi>have you done anything to your sources.list?
13:00<onclebob>other than that my system works great
13:00<onclebob>yes, thats where it all started
13:00<amphi>would you pastebin it?
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13:02<jifix>cahoot: plz another tinyurl this one don't work
13:02<jifix>cahoot: it says page can't found
13:03<cahoot>hmm works fine here
13:03<jifix>is it zpe31
13:03<amphi>onclebob: what did you do before things broke?
13:03<cahoot>i e 'ell'
13:04<onclebob>added a repo but have 4gotten which it was
13:04<onclebob>am using an intel based squeeze/sid
13:05<jifix>cahoot: thnz a lot
13:05<themill>onclebob: for future reference, don't mix releases like that. Experimental is most definitely not to be mixed with lenny. And you have lenny not squeeze/sid, based on the libc version you have and your sources.list.
13:06<onclebob>themill, ok but my /etc/issues file says squeeze/sid so which is it?
13:06<themill>a mess
13:06<kop>!tell onclebob about overview
13:06<themill>onclebob: perhaps you could pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg apt perl" for us.
13:06<onclebob>1 sec
13:07<weedeater64>broken simlink at /etc/nologin checked /var/lib/initscripts and it is empty. Anyone?
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13:10<themill>onclebob: it looks like you've mainly got lenny there then. No idea how you picked up basefiles from squeeze though.
13:10<onclebob>themill, must have when i installed some shit that i shouldnt have :(
13:11<amphi>onclebob: you could upgrade to squeeze, perhaps
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13:12<amphi>!tell onclebob -about lenny->squeeze
13:12<themill>onclebob: it's probably fixable either way -- by going back to lenny or upgrading to squeeze. Your call.
13:12<onclebob>what was the cmd for distupgrade? apt-get distupgrade?
13:13<bartm>onclebob, with a dash, dist-upgrade
13:13<themill>onclebob: read what dpkg told you.
13:13<onclebob>themill, what do u mean?
13:13<amphi>onclebob: did you not get a PM from dpkg?
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13:14<themill>dpkg: tell onclebob about lenny->squeeze
13:14<themill>amphi: actually, onclebob probably didn't. dpkg doesn't like mixing ! and ->.
13:14<onclebob>sorry just saw it
13:14<amphi>themill: ah, thanks
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13:19<onclebob>amphi, uh this isnt good right?
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13:19<onclebob>how do i fix this, have two differnt kernels
13:19<onclebob>that want to be installed
13:20<sney`>having more than one kernel installed at a time isn't a problem, since it will only use the one you pick at the grub menu
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13:20<sney`>but if you're trying to upgrade to squeeze, then both of those are the wrong kernel.
13:20<sney`>please read all of dpkg's instructions for the upgrade.
13:20<onclebob>sney, ok thnx
13:21<themill>(the "change lenny to squeeze in your sources.list" bit sounds relevant right now....)
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13:22<onclebob>so should i just let it upgrade the way it is?
13:22<themill>it will fail, so no.
13:22<jhutchins>onclebob: It's probably a good idea to install squeeze as a boot option first, in case your hardware is among the stuff it doesn't work with. Squeeze also doesn't get the same level of security support as lenny.
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13:23<onclebob>jhutchins, then i want lenny
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13:23<onclebob>what do i do from here then?
13:23<themill>!not available
13:23<dpkg>To get a list of packages that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
13:23<themill>the output of that command would be useful to see just how far away from lenny you currently are
13:24<jhutchins>Possibly an aptitude -f install is in order, after carefully checking of the sources.list
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13:25<themill>jhutchins: will be a problem until it is fixed
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13:27<beige>has ubuntu taken over debian development?
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13:28<jhutchins>beige: No, it's a different distribution.
13:28<babilen>beige: No. How did you get that impression?
13:28<jhutchins>onclebob: What other options does aptitude offer you if you tell it n?
13:28<themill>onclebob: you need to reinstall the libc6 package with the "confmiss" options to get the init script back. /msg dpkg confmiss
13:28<jhutchins>onclebob: basically you need to remove those packages and reinstall them,.
13:29<themill>(or just get /etc/init.d/ back)
13:29<onclebob>themill, where do i get
13:30<onclebob>its been screaming about that
13:30<beige>I thought it had, sorry, just seems ubuntu is bleeding edge and debian is stable
13:30<beige>so when something works in ubuntu it is adopted in debian
13:31<themill>onclebob: it's in the libc6 package -- reinstall the package while doing the "confmiss" dance dpkg described.
13:31<babilen>beige: Ubuntu takes a development version of Debian once in a while and starts from there.
13:32<beige>then they make it all pwertty and moron proofer
13:33<onclebob>themill, what did i miss?
13:33<[machine]>beige: debian doesn't necessarily take ubuntu changes (and vice versa), also things are probably a bit slower in debian unstable/testing land atm as testing is being frozen for a new stable release
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13:35<onclebob>themill, nevermind previos now i get this
13:36<beige>[machine], getting debian to run on newer machines is fun, generally the linux kernel is out of date so if you have a newer processor it may not function properly out of the box
13:36<bartm>onclebob, it seems you need to manually install /etc/init.d/ to solve this
13:37<[machine]>beige: did you try a cut of the current testing installer? may well solve your problem
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13:39<onclebob>bartm, could u resend am having trouble
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13:39<beige>nah, not tried deb for a while, went with ubuntu because I'm lazy and generally less issues, I like fedora, though I prefer deb over rpm
13:40<beige>[machine] saying that with my previous laptop they updated the ethernet drivers to an open source driver which caused the computer to freeze when the power source changed!
13:41<beige>so alsa and other issues were fixed but then I had an annoying ethernet bug!
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13:41<sney`>did you file a bug report and contribute to the betterment of the OS
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13:42<sney`>well at least there's that
13:43<beige>gnome dev team fixed the bug report I issued for nautilus crashing when accessing my usb mp3 player within days
13:43<onclebob>bartm, U ARE THE MAN
13:43<bartm>hehehe :)
13:43<onclebob>bartm, THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:44<beige>sney, ubuntu devs seem to take longer to get round to fixing bugs, I don't know if that is them or whether they are waiting for the next kernel with the fix
13:44<bartm>onclebob, but now you seem to have a problem with your capslock key :)
13:44<onclebob>also thanx a million themill and amphi for ur time and effort
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13:44<onclebob>bartm, hehehe good one
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13:45<sney`>beige: I'm pretty sure the ubuntu dev team is smaller and working through a fairly big backlog
13:46<sney`>beige: also I've talked to a couple ubuntu devs who had a pretty cavalier attitude about some less common issues
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13:47<beige>sney` yeah, tbh being able to support any hardware without the support of manufacturers and in a lot of cases having the create drivers from scratch is not easy work
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13:48<sney`>you can say that again.
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13:49<beige>I have got ubuntu running near perfect, editing alsa config and headphones work and mute speakers, internal mic doesn't work but it sucks anyway, mic jack does work
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14:08<santinike>ola como tellamas
14:08<bartm>santinike, language?
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14:09<santinike>mi name is santi
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14:14<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:15<bartm>amitz, santinike was already gone
14:16<amitz>ah, sorry. it's my irc setting -_-
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14:29<amphi>onclebob: I was afk - good to see you're back up and limping along
14:29<onclebob>amphi, hehe thnx
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14:31<gruetzkopf>hey, chattin via wii using debian squeeze
14:31<scico>wii? nice
14:32<gruetzkopf>connected via wifi
14:32<gruetzkopf>using wpa2
14:33<gruetzkopf>and the onlz devices not supported are the old gc memorz cards
14:33<gruetzkopf>as you cam see, i have not changed the locala
14:33<scico>you plugged in a keyboard, right?
14:34<gruetzkopf>althoght bluetooth and libcwiid are working
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14:34<gruetzkopf>ATM mz
14:34<gruetzkopf>my root dfevice is a 4 GB usb drive
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14:35<gruetzkopf>and the 2.6.32-kernel is booted right after wii poweron, if this sd card is in the wii sd slot
14:36<gruetzkopf>no sd-card = wii normal
14:36<sney`>wii is powerpc hardware, right/
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14:36<gruetzkopf>that way
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14:38<gruetzkopf>right now im installing gnome, as i used a debootstrapped rootfs
14:38<mekt>Does the Packages file have an ordering? I wonder whether I can concatenate the Package files of multiple DVDs and have a valid package file.
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14:40<gruetzkopf>that means i now have debian on eerz working computer in this house
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14:41*gruetzkopf needs some usb hub
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14:43<gruetzkopf>the usb stick is ultra slow, need to buz a better one soon, or use some hdd for better performance
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14:47<mekt>gruetzkopf: changing settings might help. increase commit interval. Use the NoOp IO scheduler.
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14:57<gruetzkopf>works quite nice for a 700MHz cpu --
14:58<gruetzkopf>has only 24 + 64 MB ram
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15:01<weedeater64>optiplex:/home/jeff/Desktop# apt-cache search flashplugin
15:01<weedeater64>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
15:01<weedeater64> flashplugin-nonfree: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.14) but 2.12.12-1~lenny2 is to be installed
15:01<weedeater64>E: Broken packages
15:01<weedeater64>Now what??
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15:04<dvs>weedeater64: how did you get the flashplugin-nonfree package?
15:04<weedeater64>dvs deb lenny-backports main contrib
15:05<dvs>but no non-free?
15:05<weedeater64>exactly as you just typed?
15:06<Black_Prince>there is also libgtk2 in backports
15:07<dvs>weedeater64: shouldn't there be a "non-free" at the end of that line?
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15:08<weedeater64>Let me try adding that
15:08<Black_Prince>not-free is optional ... flashplugin-nonfree is in contrib section
15:08<weedeater64>hang on
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15:08<dvs>I guess libgtk2.0-0 is in the "main" section?
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15:09<weedeater64>optiplex:/home/jeff/Desktop# apt-get install libgtk2.0-0
15:09<weedeater64>libgtk2.0-0 is already the newest version.
15:10<Black_Prince>apt-get -t lenny-backports install libgtk2.0-0
15:10<Black_Prince>apt-get -t lenny-backports install somepackage is correct command when installing something from backports
15:11<weedeater64>Ahh. ok got the libgtk2.0-0 now the plugin, hang on
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15:13<weedeater64>Processing, thanks
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15:14<weedeater64>Working, cool. Again thanks...
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15:14<Black_Prince>you welcome
15:18<weedeater64>One more thing, I just did a fresh install of Debian 2.6.26-26lenny1 with Gnome, Web-Server, and MYSQL
15:19<Black_Prince>ok go ahead
15:19<weedeater64>I was looking around and found a broken simlink /etc/nologin checked /var/lib/initscripts/ and it is empty, whats up with that.
15:20<weedeater64>I have a /home from previous same version, been using for ??? 6 months maybe..
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15:24<Black_Prince>I don't get it
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15:25<weedeater64>jeff@optiplex:/etc$ file nologin
15:25<weedeater64>nologin: broken symbolic link to `/var/lib/initscripts/nologin'
15:26<weedeater64>jeff@optiplex:/etc$ ls -l /var/lib/initscripts/
15:26<weedeater64>total 0
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15:26<Black_Prince>There is short explanation when it is used
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15:33<weedeater64>What is postinst?
15:33<Black_Prince>it is a script that is run after installation of some package
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15:34<Black_Prince>When you see "Configuring package xxxx" when installing it via aptitude, apt, dpkg, etc ... that is postinst
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15:35<weedeater64>So, /var/lib/initscripts/nologin only exists during boot and shutdown, is that it???
15:35<Black_Prince>It seems so
15:35<jaymezavirus>the multimedia keys on my laptop suddenly stopped responding, I'm using sid, anyone have a clue why?
15:35<Black_Prince>jaymezavirus I think you just answered yourself
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15:36<Black_Prince>sid is unstable distribution, and you should know by using it that something like that would happen
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15:37<jhutchins>jaymezavirus: You're on sid.
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15:38<jhutchins>weedeater64: nologin can be invoked manually as well.
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15:39<weedeater64>Jeez, I should have read the nologin man, it's a very short one.
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15:40<jhutchins>weedeater64: On a real multi-user system it can be very handy.
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15:41<weedeater64>So, it is nologin that won't allow me to save .html's to /var/www as regular user, right ?
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15:42<valdyn>weedeater64: what could nologin possibly have to do with that?
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15:42<Black_Prince>weedeater64 /var/www is owned by other user (root or www-data)
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15:44<weedeater64>valdyn, I was asking not stating, my savy-ness is rather low..
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15:45<weedeater64>In my case, -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 45 2011-01-15 04:08 index.html
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15:46<valdyn>weedeater64: savy-ness is not required
15:46<Black_Prince>weedeater64: You can always change ownership of /var/www to your user/group
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15:47<weedeater64>valdyn, from man nologin "The nologin command displays a message that an account is not available "
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15:48<weedeater64>Thus my confusion..
15:48<valdyn>weedeater64: right, so its a command that prints a messsage, it does not do anything else
15:48<valdyn>weedeater64: so among the things it does not do is certainly affecting how or where you can write a file
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15:49<weedeater64>Light just when on, with your last comment..
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15:51<valdyn>Black_Prince: it should never be owned by www-data btw
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15:52<Black_Prince>I did not say it should, I just was not sure by whom it was owned, that is why I said root OR www-data ... Anyways thanks for the tip.
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15:52<weedeater64>What is, or who is www-data exactly?? Is that a user that or group?
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15:53<weedeater64>And what does it control?
15:53<valdyn>weedeater64: its the user that your www server runs as
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15:53<Black_Prince>It is user and group that apache server runs on
15:53<weedeater64>valdyn, Ok, got it..
15:53<valdyn>weedeater64: or it seperates the www server from everything else
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15:56<weedeater64>How do I list all users on system? And all groups?
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15:56<valdyn>weedeater64: getent group
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15:58<valdyn>weedeater64: "getent passwd" for users
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15:59<valdyn>weedeater64: that just prints the files in etc btw, in the default setup
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16:06<weedeater64>Ok man group explains the group file, but man passwd explains the command, is there a man page about the passwd file?
16:06<themill>weedeater64: "man 5 passwd"
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16:12<valdyn>weedeater64: "apropos passwd"
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16:13<weedeater64>I knew about man -k, but I haven't learned to navigate the man pages too well, also much of what is there is over my head..
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16:16<amphi>weedeater64: man pages are for reference, not tutorials
16:17<jhutchins>valdyn: What's the point of getent if it's the same as cat?
16:17<amphi>weedeater64: has more task-oriented tutorials, but at least some may be out of date
16:17<valdyn>jhutchins: its only in the default setup the same as cat
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16:18<valdyn>jhutchins: the default is simple and not suitable for centralised auth for more than one computer
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16:20<valdyn>jhutchins: it will work the same if you have any combination of locally and remotely authenticated users
16:21<jhutchins>valdyn: Do people who don't know how to cat /etc/passwd usually run that kind of setup?
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16:22<valdyn>jhutchins: whats your point? That i should not show the right way to do something?
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16:23<weedeater64>amphi, Yeah, I've got some of the docs from, stored locally, I had a very simple website up a couple years back, then I lost interest, and have forgotten much..
16:23<weedeater64>amphi, But I'm very recently trying to get back into that sort of thing..
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16:25<weedeater64>How's this for a start?
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16:26<weedeater64>Can't do any server side stuff there, my ISP's freebie hosting, but I'm gonna start working on a site on my local net..
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16:34<weedeater64>I added MYSQL with this install, and Gnome comes with HSQL, but for a complete newbie to databases, is there a better choice for management?
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16:37<valdyn>weedeater64: phpmyadmin
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17:00<otzi>hello. I have a few pdfs and I want to join them together. Does anyone know of a tool for that?
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17:03<petemc>otzi: pdfjam
17:04<petemc>i think the one you want from that is pdfjoin
17:04<rah>I've modified the Required-Start field for a script in init.d and I
17:04<rah>I'm using dependency-based init
17:05<rah>will init automatically pay attention to the changes or do I have to do something?
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17:12<rah>I've added $named to the Required-Start field of the nfs-kernel-server init script
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17:12<rah>unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have made a difference; the nfs directories are still exported before bind9 is run
17:13<thinkingape>evening everyone
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17:15<volstern>when i want to rm a articular file in a dir
17:15<volstern>what do i have to do
17:15<volstern>rm /home/usr/filename?
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17:17<volstern>nvm figured it out:P
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17:25<otzi>petemc: thanks
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17:49<gruetzkopf>does somebody know how to get X working using cube driver on debian 6 on powerpc?
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18:21<weedeater64>http://localhost/phpmyadmin/ not found, did a2enmod php5, and restarted apache, but
18:22<catsup>php != phpmyadmin
18:23<weedeater64>catsup, Huh?
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18:24<catsup>a2enmod php5 enables php, but that doesn't mean it enables phpmyadmin, which is just an application that uses php
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18:25<catsup>do you have phpmyadmin installed?
18:26<cthuluh>iirc it's just a symbolic link from /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf to /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin
18:26<cthuluh>and an apache reload
18:26<weedeater64>phpmyadmin is installed
18:27<cthuluh>I bet that the config process is explained somewhere, probably in the documentation for this package
18:27<cthuluh>but irc is so easy...
18:28<cthuluh>try /usr/share/doc/ first, next time
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18:36<iCEmAN_CZ>hi, some ideas how to install mumble 1.2.x using aptitude in debian 5.0 ? available version of mumble server in this debian version is only 1.1.x :(
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18:37<weedeater64>What does this mean? php != phpmyadmin
18:37<ompaul>php is not phpmyadmin
18:38<holstein>iCEmAN_CZ: 64bit?
18:38<holstein>there's a buntu .deb here
18:38<holstein>with JACK support
18:38<iCEmAN_CZ>holstein: yes, 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64
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18:39<iCEmAN_CZ>there is 1.2.x version available for debian, but only for squeeze
18:39<ompaul>ubuntu debs for debian is not a great idea you don't know if it will just work when dropped in or kill off the box
18:39<ompaul>iCEmAN_CZ: what feature in 1.2 do you need that is not in 1.1?
18:40<holstein>yeah, if you dont need JACK support
18:40<holstein>id prolly look elsewhere
18:41<ompaul>if you really *need* 1.2 you have a few debian based choices
18:41<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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18:41<ompaul>not a 100% always works thing but if it is there it is better than reaching outside and fitting ford parts to your BMW
18:42<ompaul>if that fails you could compile it yourself
18:42<iCEmAN_CZ>ompaul: I'd like to have installed the newest version
18:42<ompaul>if it has deps that only work in squeeze then you could consider squeeze
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18:43<holstein>iCEmAN_CZ: i wouldnt worry client side
18:43<holstein>its the older clients that cant connect to the newer sever versions
18:43<holstein>thats a drag
18:44<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
18:44<ompaul>abrotman: cool didn't know that one
18:44<ompaul>ya really :)
18:44<ompaul>I am not that clueful honestly :)
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18:47<iCEmAN_CZ>i'll try compile it from actual stable sources (1.2.2) and will see.... xD if something fails, i'll install 1.1.x using aptitude
18:47<dpkg>uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>
18:48<ompaul>iCEmAN_CZ: go check the dpkg way to do stuff
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18:49<babilen>iCEmAN_CZ: But honestly - If the version is already in Debian just backport it. (See ssb ^^^) if not, use uupdate. If all that is not for you, compile it yourself and install to /usr/local -- /msg dpkg usrlocal -- /msg dpkg stow
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19:28<volstern>is ipmasq essential if its a standalone home machine?
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19:28<volstern>would there be any use for it if i have no other machines connected to the debian machine?
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19:31<smv>,versions ipmasq
19:31<judd>Package ipmasq on i386 -- etch: 4.0.8-2; lenny: 4.0.8-7
19:32<volstern>for a standalone machine will it benefit me anything?
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19:33<smv>volstern, I think that it's not that essential if it got removed from squeeze / sid. I never used it on a standalone machine.
19:33<volstern>smv: ok
19:33<smv>did you got it when installing your machine?
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19:35<volstern>no i didnt, but since it's a firewall i was interested to know if it would be beneficial
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19:37<smv>then perhaps depends on the use of the machine. but i see that there is also dnsmasq, though am not sure if it does similar things.
19:38<babilen>volstern: You don't need ipmasq. If you want/need a firewall, learn iptables or use some frontend like shorewall
19:38<sney>shorewall is great
19:38<sney>very sane, human-readable, but also flexible
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19:39<volstern>what would iptables do?
19:39<smv>+1 for shorewall
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19:39<dpkg>[iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see . #netfilter on See also <lartc>, <masq>.
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19:40<sney>well that was less descriptive than I'd hoped
19:40<volstern>does it control network packets and stuff? im looking for something where i can control things like ddos,etc. of course ddos is not entirely controllable but atleast i should have an option to see what's going on
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19:40<sney>yes. iptables is what is being used when people talk about a "linux firewall."
19:40<babilen>volstern: Yes, iptables is a (the) firewall on Linux.
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19:41<volstern>i'll read more about it then and ask questions later
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19:41<volstern>just needed to clarify what sort of firewall debian uses before i can read up on it. thanks
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19:42<sret>btw hi babilen :P
19:42<qeef>aaa sry, guys
19:42<sney>qeef: try /quit
19:42<qeef>thanks :D
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19:42<sret>thanks sney , smv too
19:42<sney>sret: no problem
19:43<babilen>sret: You probably don't need a firewall though. What are you trying to achieve or what do you have problems with?
19:43<sret>babilen: no problems, just trying to see how linux deals with ddos mitigation
19:43<sret>and i came across iptables and ipmasq
19:43<babilen>sret: You might, on the other hand, be interested in reading:
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19:44<sney>learning is great
19:44<sret>and wanted to check how i can controlnetwork traffic here, its a standalone machine though, so i dont mind playing with it a bit to see what it's all about
19:44<sret>babilen: ok thanks
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19:46<babilen>sret: If you want to learn iptables, read -- But if you are *really* interested in firewalls, I would rather recommend to learn pf, but you'll need a BSD for that. Either one of the traditional BSDs (Free, Open, Net) or Debian/kFreeBSD
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19:47<sret>ive heard about pf, wont it work on debian?
19:47<sret>and pfsense
19:47<babilen>Not with a Linux kernel
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19:48<sret>so debian's firewall options are only shorewall and ipotables?
19:49<sret>if not a linux kernel how am i supposed to use pf in debian, debian uses a linux kernel..
19:49<babilen>your options are: iptables
19:49<abrotman>shorewall uses iptables
19:50<sret>ok so might as well use shorewall
19:50<babilen>everything else is just syntax sugar in the sense that they are just frontends to iptables to make its configuration "easier"
19:50<sret>thanks babilen :P
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19:52<sret>from the looks of it lokkit seems ideal for my ocnnection, im on a dsl cable modem.
19:53<babilen>sret: "Please note that this package is no longer maintained upstream"
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19:54<sret>im a lil confused now, which frontend for iptables should i use
19:54<abrotman>why do you need a frontend ?
19:54<sret>im on gnome, so firestarter
19:55<sney>read up on iptables and really try to understand it
19:55<sret>abrotman: what do you suggest the?
19:55<sney>the frontends make administration easier but it's best if you have an understanding of what's going on
19:55<babilen>sret: I would suggest to use iptables (as in plain, vanilla iptables)
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19:55<abrotman>sret: it's not hard to type them in .. what are you trying to do wiht iptables?
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19:56<sret>babilen: ok, abrotman : just for learning purposes
19:56<sney>basically read everything on
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19:58<babilen>sret: Just start with the frozentux tutorial -- but don't you want to read the Debian reference first? (just asking) ;)
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19:58<sret>im reading the debian firewalls section, and now netfilter
19:59<sret>what the hell is a snapshot?
19:59<smv>sret, i'm on a dsl cable modem too, and i use shorewall, with the one-interface setup, almost unchanged. i only changed the way it logs, and added auth(identd) to the alowed things
19:59<sret>smv: ok, how does it handle ddos and stuff?
20:00<variable_>does any body have enabled VLC with GPU acceleration?
20:01<smv>sret, haven't had any problem in the last half year, and because i disabled logging i'm not realy sure if this is because of shorewall or not. but i'm sure it has many more options that firestarter or other GUI frontend to iptables.
20:02<sret>smv: ok so let me get this right, shorewall uses netfilter? in the pkg manager tats what i see
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20:04<sret>let me read and brb
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20:04<sret>thanks all
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20:04<babilen>sret: every single firewall on linux basically boils down to iptables (aka netfilter)
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20:08<smv>sret, indeed. and i must say, that i find iptables better than pf (which is the firewal used in *BSD), not in the sense of usability, but in the sense of the final result, which to me seems better, although i didn't use pf too much
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20:36<kop>smv no way. pf rocks. if you're going to use iptables use something like ferm
20:36<kop> top of it.
20:36*kop has a sticky enter key!
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20:43<smv>kop, i'm sure that pf might rock for some, but it didn't for me. this was one of my reasons to give up on OpenBSD a year ago.
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21:03<milargo>help me! i don't run debian, when NOT acpi=off.
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21:05<smv>milargo, you mean you have to use acpi=off to be able to run debian?
21:05<dharc>maybe Debian 7 will have Gnome 3, right?
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21:07<milargo>attache scsi - when not acpi=off
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21:09<milargo>debian 5.0.7 AMD64 with Ext. HDD WD. on Ubuntu, Fedora they not is problem.
21:10<sret>how do you look for hidden files starting with .
21:10<smv>milargo, perhaps you might want to describe your problem better, in english, or just tell us what language you're familiar with.
21:10<philip_>does anyone know about a program 'quickly' i'm having problems with templates
21:10<smv>sret, ls -a should do.
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21:12<sret>if it's a foo-foo.irc file
21:12<sret>is it supposed to be hidden
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21:13<sret>when i do ls - a i see .irc , meaning all files with a .irc are hidden righ t? but if i go into /home/sret/.irc, i cant find foo-foo.irc
21:13<smv>perhaps because it's not there?
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21:14<smv>ls -a .irc should show any files in there.
21:14<sret>yep not there
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21:16<smv>perhaps depends on what writes the files there. perhaps foo-foo.irc is not supposed to be there? locate foo-foo.irc should find it
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21:17<smv>perhaps run updatedb before
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21:19<sret>yeha i did a find / -name and found it
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21:29<milargo>when turn on debian is not loaded unless you add acpi = off, other distributions there is no such need because problemy.acpi. I can not change the frequency of Processor
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21:33<dvs>milargo: what does "uname -r" say?
21:34<dvs>You could try a backported 2.6.32 kernel
21:36<dvs>/msg bots NOT people
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22:48<Guest407>a todos
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22:49<Guest407>como andamos con linux
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22:49<Guest407>necesito ayuda
22:50<Guest407>quien me puede ayudar
22:50<gui_>en lo pueda
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22:50<Guest407>miren aqui tengo una maquina e una vecina
22:50<Guest407>y necesito borrarle el virus que todo mundo le dice xp
22:51<Guest407>necesito instalarle xubuntu ya ke es una makina viejita
22:51<Guest407>intel pentiun 2
22:51<Guest407>y capacidad de 128 mb de ram
22:51<Guest407>hola amigos
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23:22<jpf>i'm running a lenny fully upgraded to squeeze, is it safe to add lenny repositories to sources.list so I can use some of the otherwise absent packages in squeeze?
23:24<sney>what's in lenny that's not in squeeze?
23:25<sney>lenny and squeeze don't have much in common so it would probably have dependency issues
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23:41<docrel>your best bet for straw may be to do something like: grab the fedora 13 rpm for straw, use alien to convert it to a deb, and install it that way. fedora 13 was/is gnome 2.30 as is squeeze. fedora 13 uses python 2.6, as does squeeze. that is probably the quickest way to get a compatible package.
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23:47<chealer>docrel: he left
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23:48<docrel>you're correct, my bad.
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