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---Logopened Sun Jan 16 00:00:19 2011
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00:15<leocade>hey guys. i tried installing ati proprietary drivers downloaded from their website but my box doesnt seem to be using them right
00:15<leocade>i dont think i have them configured properly. any way to find out?
00:17<leocade>i know they arent working right because it isnt smooth when i drag windows, but when i uninstall the drivers its fine
00:19<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
00:19<leocade>ah ok
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00:50<scico>I'm editing the sudoers file with this (in a root shell): sudo gedit /etc/sudoers, but it says (commented): This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root.
00:50<scico>but I am able to save it
00:50<scico>without visudo
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00:52<scico>disregard my 3 previous messages
00:54<scico>how do you add someone to the sudoers with visudo
00:54<scico>what syntax is the user
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01:08<Xenguy>dpkg visudo
01:08<dpkg>[visudo] how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers>, or respects $EDITOR while doing sanity checking (prevents *some* critical commits of broken sudoers).
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01:17<Xenguy>I need a little grub related help as I just applied the squeeze security update, the instructions were not too clear, so I took a shot, and then got a couple of creepy warnings from grub-setup (though no actual errors apparently)
01:17<Xenguy>The 1st warning is: "/usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a partition instead of the MBR. This is a BAD idea.."
01:17<Xenguy>The 2nd warning is: "/usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged.."
01:17<Xenguy>Then it finishes with: "Installation finished. No error reported."
01:17<Xenguy>So, is there a recommended way to set things aright?
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01:32<scico>Why do things take a long time to resolve? I edited /etc/resolv.conf and removed the domain_not_set thingys
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01:49<Xenguy>kingsley: I think you answered your own question then...
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01:49<Xenguy>oops, ww
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01:57<mattcen>Hi all, has anybody configured the sudo-ldap package? I would like the NOPASSWD stanza to work, and it appears it doesn't (possibly by design for some reason?).
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03:19<EmleyMoor>Is there a decent way to use zsh as root's shell, or any serious reasons against?
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03:26<Cyrus>EmleyMoor, yu can set the root shell by typing `chsh` while logged in as root.
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03:28<EmleyMoor>Yes, I am aware of that... but it's failing to work properly... I get a compaudit message about an unknown group, no username in the prompt and can no longer authenticate if a command needs it within root's shell. Only way back to sense is to vipw and change root's shell back
03:30<EmleyMoor>(oh, and I was using zsh-static for root - probably not a bad idea if I can/should get it to work)
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04:06<moses>any #! help here?
04:07<EmleyMoor>Maybe, if it relates to Debian
04:07<moses>i just want to know how to install some more games lol
04:07<moses>can i do something like sudo apt-get games
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04:08<EmleyMoor>You could run aptitude or synaptic and look through the games packages
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04:09<moses>package manager says I have one broken package?
04:09<moses>how would i go about fixing it?
04:10<EmleyMoor>Find out why it's broken and either add/update what it needs or remove it
04:10<cahoot>try apatitude install -f
04:10<cahoot>err aptitude install -f
04:12<moses>it says the broken package is java
04:12<moses>how to i accept the ELUA?
04:12<cahoot>how did you install java?
04:12<cahoot>i e 'by hand'?
04:13<cahoot>not as a deb?
04:13<moses>not really the installer prompted me through it
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04:13<moses>but i quit early because i did see anything to press that would let me accept the ELUA
04:14<cahoot>try aptitude reinstall sun-java6-jre
04:16<moses>error looks like this
04:16<moses>E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
04:16<moses>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
04:16<moses>W: Could not lock the cache file; this usually means that dpkg or another apt tool is already installing packages. Opening in read-only mode; any changes you make to the states of packages will NOT be preserved!
04:16<moses>E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
04:16<moses>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
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04:17<Osiris_X>moses, clearly you have apt-get, dpkg, aptitude, synaptics etc. already in operation (e.g. in a different terminal window, console, etc)
04:18<cahoot>he's still out of bounds
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04:19<mixalis>Hi, I have install openbox on my debian squeeze and I am folowing the instractions from wiki ( to set a background wallpaper. The problem is that the right click stop working if i set wallpaper
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04:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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04:33<PW_Pulto>I recently installed debian. So really newby. When I use Iceweasel I can go to any place on the web exept (Where I would like to look for more info) What could be the problem???
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04:34<cahoot>can or can't?
04:34<PW_Pulto>can't visit
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04:35<cahoot>can you ping it?
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04:36<PW_Pulto>I've already heart of ping, but don't know what it is
04:36<cahoot>try ping
04:36<PW_Pulto>typing it in my browser? "ping" ?
04:36<cahoot>in a terminal
04:38<PW_Pulto>I'll try. I will have to leave windows (working in dual boot) and come back later. Don't I need the "www" before ""?
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04:38<cahoot>can you access from win?
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04:39<cahoot>and all other sites work as expected in debian?
04:40<PW_Pulto>I mean non debian sites are ok. and so on...
04:40<cahoot>what error do you get?
04:40<cahoot>404 not found or such?
04:41<PW_Pulto>no tries to contact but I think there is a timout (didn't write it down, but it isn't 404).
04:41<glow_wolf>I have a sound problem.
04:42<glow_wolf>My sound is comeing out of my speakers but not my headphones
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04:42<cahoot>PW_Pulto: no really good idea - you could try empty the browsers cache in debian
04:43<ompaul>glow_wolf: you should open the mixer (alsamixer) and you should raise the volume on the head set
04:43<PW_Pulto>cahoot: is this easy to find for newby?
04:44<ompaul>PW_Pulto: why not use irc from debian and come here?
04:44<glow_wolf>All i have is kmixer
04:44<cahoot>glow_wolf: using correct conntor?
04:45<PW_Pulto>ompaul: because I tried to install an irc client but didn't succeed. I really don't know my way in Debian yet
04:45<glow_wolf>Yes its the one i use under windows
04:45<cahoot>glow_wolf: see what /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 does
04:46<ompaul>cahoot: he also asked in -kde I told him there how to use mixer
04:46<glow_wolf>Im useing squeeze
04:46<ompaul>glow_wolf: I told you in -kde how to fix it
04:47<cahoot>ther's only one soundcard?
04:47<PW_Pulto>cahoot: I have to leave in a few minutes. I'll try the "ping-thing" and empty the browser cache. And when I'm back home I'll come back here. For now, thanks a lot!!
04:47<cahoot>glow_wolf: cat /proc/asound/cards say so too?
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04:48<ompaul>cahoot: it is headphones vs speakers - I answered it already :) no headphones in kde open mixer and raise volume level / unmute
04:48<glow_wolf>Also I uncheck mute in kmixer
04:48<cahoot>ok ok
04:49<glow_wolf>Theres no slide to change the volume
04:49<glow_wolf>But there is headphones and a place to unmute
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04:50<ompaul>and test
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04:51<glow_wolf>the command /etc/init.d/alsa-utils Usage: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils {start [CARD]|stop [CARD]|restart [CARD]|reset [CARD]}
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04:51<cahoot>glow_wolf: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0
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04:52<glow_wolf>I did it trying now
04:53<glow_wolf>Still nothing comeing out
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04:56<cahoot>I'd try alsamixer just for completeness
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04:58<glow_wolf>I got that up in Konsole its 00
04:59<cahoot>and level?
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05:00<glow_wolf>Its just a box with two zeros you cant go up or down
05:00<cahoot>glow_wolf: 00 means it's unmuted - that's fine - can you adjust the output level with up-arrow?
05:01<zem>when making a webserver, should i use repositories to install components (apache, php, mysql) or should i compile them from source?
05:02<cahoot>glow_wolf: no other possible entry re headset if you navigate around in alsamixer?
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05:02<glow_wolf>No only one
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05:03<cahoot>it might be your sounddevice has incomplete support - what's its pciid?
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05:06<cahoot>lspci -nn | grep -i audio
05:06<cahoot>or possibly grep -i sound
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05:07<glow_wolf>00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller [8086:2668] (rev 03)
05:07<cahoot>8086:2668 is the pciid
05:08<glow_wolf>These are the lables in alsamixer Master Headphon< PCM > Front Front Mi Surround Center LFE Side Line CD Mic
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05:10<cahoot>glow_wolf: should be well supported with recent kernels/alsavesrions AFAICT
05:11<cahoot>glow_wolf: run speaker-test -t wav -c2 in one terminal and try different manipulations of alsamixer in another
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05:14<cahoot>glow_wolf: also - some hda-intel devices need an module option - should be found in /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/HD-Audio-Models.txt.gz
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05:16<glow_wolf>The speakers are working still no headphones
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05:22<NightMan>Hi all. First time I have been using IRC ... if you came to the wrong place - excuse ... (I know English is bad ... google translate) ...
05:22<NightMan>суппорт read here that the IGC can help on the development ofdebian ...
05:22<NightMan>I debian skeeze logitech 300 - does not work in Skype video ..
05:22<NightMan>if mozhite - tell me how to set up ...
05:22<NightMan>thanks ...
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05:27<glow_wolf>Thanks for Helping cahoot
05:27<cahoot>got it working?
05:27<cahoot>too bad
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05:28<glow_wolf>Im going to leave it alone before i break something
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05:30<olspookishmagus>did someone else got this: Cannot update ICEauthority file /var/lib/gdm3/.ICEauthority
05:30<olspookishmagus>also gnome shortcuts no longer functioning such as: CTRL-ALT-D, ALT-F1, ALT-F2, etc...
05:32<olspookishmagus>what's with this Debian-gdm user?!
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05:42<olspookishmagus>OK, I've fixed the trouble with gdm3
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06:41*master_of_integral waves hello
06:48<master_of_integral>how can I safely remove old grub2 configuration files from /boot not damaging existing grub config? I had Ubuntu installation with shared /boot partition and I want to make some cleaning.
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06:52<cahoot>master_of_integral: what problem do they pose atm?
06:54<cahoot>master_of_integral: btw - AFAIK grub2's config files are in /etc/grub.d
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06:59<master_of_integral>cahoot: to be honest they don't pose a functional problem.
06:59<master_of_integral>cahoot:I just wanted to be sure that '/boot/grub' directory is clean from any old files
07:00<cahoot>master_of_integral: I think it wise to let /boot/grub be as is - do any changes in /etc/grub.d and/or in /etc/default/grub
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07:01<master_of_integral>cahoot: OK. Thanks.
07:01<cahoot>and follow instructions in the respective READMES
07:02<cahoot>(don't fix what isn't broken)
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07:02<master_of_integral>cahoot: just wanted to be sure that /boot/grub directory is necessary.
07:02<cahoot>it is
07:02<master_of_integral>thank you.
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07:03<master_of_integral>I really should place "don't fix what isn't broken" sign on my wall ;-)
07:03<master_of_integral>thanks for your time, and peace.
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07:36<jymere>hello. I have a question : why DNS uses UDP instead of TCP ? UDP is not reliable because if errors occur, they won't be automatically recovery. How this problem is solved ?
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07:37<mjr>it's generally faster because there need not be a handshake
07:37<mjr>you can do retransmits on timeout manually
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07:38<jymere>i see thanks
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08:39<PW_Pulto>Cahoot: Just came back home and cleared my cache, and... it works!!
08:39<PW_Pulto>cahoot: Thanks a lot of course, but could you explain why I had to clear the cache?
08:40<cahoot>some bogus adress saved there? and reused
08:40<PW_Pulto>cahoot: What is bogus?
08:41<cahoot>just speculating
08:41<PW_Pulto>cahoot: Anyway, now I'm ready to start learning to work with my new Debian installation. Herzlichen Dank!
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08:48<gruetzkopf>does someone have a working xorg.conf using the 'cube' yuv2 driver?
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09:04<PW_Pulto>My problem is already back. Couldn't click through, and now I also can't go to again.
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09:07<ompaul>PW_Pulto: can you make screen shot of your screen and pop it on
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09:09<PW_Pulto>ompaul: I'm completely new to debian, so how would I have to do that?
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09:09<dpkg>To take a screenshot of your current desktop, you can probably just hit the "PrintScreen" key on your keyboard (Gnome and KDE). Alternatives include ksnapshot, gnome-panel-screenshot, the Gimp's "Acquire->Screenshot", "import -window root screenshot.jpg" (imagemagick package), scrot, xwd. For framebuffer consoles, use fbgrab.
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09:11<PW_Pulto>I'll do my best...
09:12<ompaul>abrotman: thanks had to run for some seconds :)
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09:15<ompaul>magellan: how stupid are you?
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09:15<@abrotman>go way
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09:18<PW_Pulto>I've put the screenshot on the site
09:18<abrotman>magellan: no need to msg me
09:18<ompaul>PW_Pulto: so can we have the url please
09:18<magellan>ok abrotman
09:19<abrotman>PW_Pulto: is it just ?
09:19<ompaul>abrotman: aye I was looking
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09:20<PW_Pulto>the URL is:
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09:20<ompaul>PW_Pulto: we found it :)
09:20<abrotman>PW_Pulto: what does `host' return ?
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09:21<PW_Pulto>abrotman: I don't understand your question, you mean something else than the info of the screenshot?
09:21<osc>hi guys
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09:22<ompaul>PW_Pulto: can you please type in a terminal "host"
09:22<osc>someone here with knowledge about simple-cdd?
09:22<osc>i need to build a custom dvd image
09:23<osc>or is there a easier way to accomplish that?
09:23<ompaul>PW_Pulto: when finished please put the output in
09:23<t1nhu>debian have any default desktop environment?
09:23<ompaul>PW_Pulto: or just type down the first two numbers
09:23<abrotman>t1nhu: not really ..
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09:24<abrotman>t1nhu: you can really install any you want using correct commands
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09:24<t1nhu>where are you from abrotman?
09:24<abrotman>the internet?
09:25<abrotman>t1nhu: please do not msg me
09:25<t1nhu>do you speak portuguese?
09:25<osc>omg ^^
09:25<abrotman>t1nhu: other than 'bom dias' .. nope :)
09:25<gruetzkopf>does someone have a working xorg.conf using the 'cube' yuv2 driver?
09:25<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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09:26<t1nhu>theres nobody on that channel
09:26<PW_Pulto>I'm just going to type everything has address ;;Warning: Message parser reports malformed message packet ;;connection timed out; no servers could be reached
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09:27<ompaul>PW_Pulto: cat /etc/resolv.conf and tell us the first IP from there please
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09:29<PW_Pulto>It says: nameserver
09:30<ompaul>PW_Pulto: ok I'll take it that your location uses a standard router
09:30<PW_Pulto>Your probably right
09:31<ompaul>PW_Pulto: basically when your web browser is asking for the address of to be translated into a number (dns lookup) it is getting back bad information, now the next question is
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09:31<ompaul>PW_Pulto: what to do about it
09:31<ompaul>complain to the isp they seem to be having a problem
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09:32<ompaul>run your own dns (not a great idea because you are only starting out with debian and it can be a bit more frustrating than fun), so are you at home or in an office?
09:32<abrotman>ISP Proxy ?
09:32<themill>or the modem/router which is probably more likely
09:33<ompaul>abrotman: dns resolve broken so could be
09:33<PW_Pulto>which is the same as office for me
09:33<abrotman>PW_Pulto: host .. says what ?
09:33<PW_Pulto>abrotman: I don't understand that, sorry
09:34<osc>i didnt get the whole problem, but wouldnt setting a custom dns server be sufficient? like or something
09:34<ompaul>PW_Pulto: type host in your terminal
09:34<PW_Pulto>I'm on my way folks
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09:40<PW_Pulto>The whole output: has address has address IPv6 address 2607:f8f0:610:4000:211:25ff:fec4:5b28
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09:41<wissem>how can i install open shot ?
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09:42<themill>dpkg: tell wissem about multiple ask
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09:43<wissem>themill, sorry i thought it was two different channel
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09:44<themill>wissem: it is, but populated by many of the same people
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09:44<ompaul>PW_Pulto: ok you need to tell your home router to use for a nameserver (if you don't mind google knowing what you are searching for) I guess there is more than one problem with them, also consider running your own DNS after you get yourself sorted and can search the debian web site without difficulty
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09:45<ompaul>PW_Pulto: the internet is faulty down your way ;-) a call to your ISP might get them to look at it - explain you can't see and you get the error you told us of, long term you should run your own
09:45<themill>I'd consider skipping the home router entirely and telling the local machines to go straight to some other dns provider
09:46<ompaul>themill: take into consideration that the user knowledge is very limited this is a nice way to start ;-)
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09:47<themill>ompaul: of course. It's more likely to be broken consumer grade router crap than a broken ISP though :(
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09:47<ompaul>PW_Pulto: for themill's comment just restart your router and see if that cures the issue
09:47*ompaul has to run away sorry PW_Pulto
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09:56<ComradeHaz`>Hey all. What's teh best way to see what files a given user is accessing at any one time?
09:59<Gathond>fuser (just to mentioning something other than lsof)
10:00<ComradeHaz`>how would one use fuser?
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10:02<Gathond>it needs the filenames I believe
10:02<Gathond>actually I thougt it didn't
10:02<pustynnyjez>i got a problem, im noob
10:02<ComradeHaz`>ok, lsof seems enough, thanks ichdasich :)
10:02<Gathond>I'm sure I've used it for something similar to lsof though
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10:02<ComradeHaz`>and thanks Gathond too :)
10:03<pustynnyjez>is anyone can help me with installing wi-fi on my laptop?
10:03<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>.
10:04<cahoot>try /msg dpkg ralink
10:04<pustynnyjez>it's gigabyte gn-wi01gs
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10:04<cahoot>or perhaps better start with the wiki
10:05<pustynnyjez>ok, i try
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10:06<pustynnyjez>but i think wifi device should be visible when i type lspci in terminal?
10:06<cahoot>the wiki offers a systematic approach
10:07<mjr>pustynnyjez, possibly lsusb. Also remember to check if your laptop's wireless kill switch is active (it may remove it from bus, too)
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10:13<pustynnyjez>how to check this wifi kill switch ?
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10:13<pustynnyjez>lsusb also nothing..
10:14<gsimmons>pustynnyjez: Your device is mini-PCI, so examine lspci output.
10:14<gsimmons>dpkg: rt61pci
10:14<dpkg>Ralink RT61 802.11g PCI chipsets (RT2501/RT2561, RT2600/RT2661) are supported by the rt61pci next-generation driver, included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware> to provide.
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10:24<a7x>i'm sorry
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11:14<Aleric>I never needed a swap... but recently I'm constantly swapping. I'd like to check my system and find out what is using how much memory, ram or swap. What is the best tool for this?
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11:18<bartm>Aleric, top
11:18<ml|>or htop
11:20<ml|>also search for and try it out
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11:22<Aleric>... ok, I have 12 firefox-bin's running(???) and 28 OpenSim.exe according to htop
11:22<Arrowmaster>those might be threads
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11:22<Aleric>I thought I was running 0 of the latter... is this showing processes or threads?
11:22<Aleric>If they are threads, then how can I see the memory usage?
11:23<Aleric>I don't want the same memory to be reported 28 times.
11:23<Arrowmaster>press F2 then down arrow
11:23<Arrowmaster>right arrow, then highlight and press space on both the high thread options
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11:25<Arrowmaster>and F10 when done to get back to the main view in htop
11:25<catsup>since when does firefox-bin create threads
11:25<Arrowmaster>always has for me
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11:25<catsup>wtf rly?
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11:26<catsup>i've never seen that
11:26*themill introduces catsup to basic UI design
11:27<catsup>UI design?
11:27<catsup>i have a firefox-bin on this machine, it has no threads
11:27<Arrowmaster>how are you checking?
11:27<Aleric>Arrowmaster: F10 is caught by my terminal :/ .. but ESC seems to work too. However, they are all different processes. I now see the PID is different, indeed.
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11:28<Arrowmaster>Aleric: mine have different pids too, enable the option to color threads differently
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11:29<Arrowmaster>just to be sure
11:29<Aleric>I did that... colors were not different. But now I did use the hide option... and now they are gone :/
11:29<catsup> "Mozilla to add multithreading to Firefox" May 11, 2009
11:30<catsup>well, i'm using 3.6.10
11:30<catsup>oh wait
11:30<Arrowmaster>catsup: not quite the same multithreaded
11:30<catsup> "The Mozilla platform will use separate processes to display the browser UI, web content, and plugins. The working name for this project is Electrolysis, sometimes shortened to e10s." <-- yeah, i have those
11:31<catsup>anyway, themill, there's absolutely no reason a UI has to use threads, in fact, threads are probably not a good idea for a UI...
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11:31<Aleric>So,.. what means this, in terms of memory usage:
11:31<Aleric> 3502 carlo 20 0 1850M 708M 14968 S 3.0 17.9 29h53:35 /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin ..
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11:32<Arrowmaster>Aleric: 708MB memory usage
11:33<themill>catsup: it's fairly standard to use a UI thread and worker threads to actually do stuff. Most UI toolkits do this automatically so they can handle repaints, timers etc.
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11:33<Aleric>Strange that I'm swapping so much lately :/
11:33<catsup>that's quite a lot
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11:33<Arrowmaster>youve not seen a lot till youve seen firefox using over 3GB
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11:34<themill>Aleric: that's a lot of cpu time against firefox. Taking it out and shooting it on a regular basis is usually a good plan.
11:34<Aleric>I have LOT of tab's open.. as reminder that those still need my attention :(
11:35<Arrowmaster>i had a daemon top 600h of cpu time and start acting up until i restarted it
11:35<catsup>themill: uhh, 'most ui toolkits'? which ones? xlib? gtk?
11:35<themill>Aleric: yeah I do that too. There's a handy thing called bookmarks though :)
11:35<catsup>because, no, those don't
11:36<ttick>does anybody know what part of the boot software loads disks into /dev/disk/by-uuid ? Is that udev?
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11:36<catsup>ttick: udev rules generate those symlinks, yes
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11:37<ttick>catsup: any idea why during boot those wouldn't be generated in GRUB2? As in when I get to /scripts/local-top/cryptsetup it can't find the disk to decrypt.
11:37<Aleric>I wish iceweasel had a quick pop-up window with url's that I could delete, sort, put into folders (move around) and open/close per folder (ie, click on a folder and say open, and then it would open everything as tabs).
11:37<Aleric>For some reason, the bookmarks thing doesn't work like that for me :/
11:38<ttick>catsup: or where I might look to see if udev is missing from my grub2 setup (maybe in /boot)?
11:38<catsup>ttick: ok, you're not running 'in grub2' at that point, you must mean on the initrd
11:38<ttick>catsup: okay, yep. You're right.
11:39<ttick>catsup: I've dropped to busybox and noticed the problem.
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11:39<ttick>catsup: right now I'm on a live disk (Lenny -- my normal boot is into testing). And I'm trying to fix initrd apparently -- not grub2
11:40<catsup>ttick: check this out...
11:40<ttick>catsup: so it sounds like initrd is my problem. I guess I'll go google how to regenerate that
11:41<catsup>oh maybe that's old and fixed
11:42<ttick>catsup: that looks like the problem. But that's from 2009. This just happened in Jan 5th.
11:42<ttick>catsup: (right -- sorry, a bit lagged here)
11:42<catsup>yeah but when's your udev/lvm from
11:42<gruetzkopf>somone there who has x working on wii
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11:43<ttick>catsup: well, everything was working fine until Jan5th after I did an apt-get update/upgrade (testing). So I doubt it's the 2009 issue. But this might give me enough to go on.
11:43<catsup>ttick: the disk you want ot identify by uuid, is it an lvm partition?
11:44<ttick>catsup: yes. an encrypted partion, though
11:44<catsup>no i mean
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11:44<catsup>the underlying encrypted image, is that a partition or an lv
11:44<ttick>catsup: lv
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11:45<catsup>does that lv get found and put in /dev/mapper/ ?
11:45<ttick>catsup: but initrd is halting because cryptsetup can't find the disk.
11:45<catsup>wondering if lvm is finding your disk at all
11:45<ttick>catsup: nope. Don't get that far.
11:45<catsup>if you can check in busybox
11:45<catsup>because then it's not a missing link, it's a missing lv
11:45<ttick>catsup: if busybody /dev/disk doesn't exist.
11:45<ttick>catsup: *in
11:45<catsup>what if you type 'lvs' ?
11:46<catsup>or 'lvm lvs' if that's not found
11:46<ttick>catsup: nothing found
11:46<ttick>catsup: pvscan doesn't find anything either.
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11:47<ttick>catsup: should I expect it to? Considering the disk hasn't been decrypted yet?
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11:47<ttick>catsup: /scripts/local-top is trying to decode the disk -- which will then reveal the lvms
11:48<ttick>catsup: I've confirmed through a live-disk that the crypto partition is intact (luks) and that the lvms mount fine on the live-disk.
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11:49<catsup>is the encrypted partition not an lv?
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11:49<ttick>the disk is crypto luks, there are lvs behind the crypto.
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11:50<ttick>in other words if you didn't decode you'd never know there were lvms.
11:50<catsup>right ok
11:50<catsup>i thought you said the opposite before
11:50<ttick>sorry for the confusion.
11:50<catsup>so it shouldn't be showing up in pvscan
11:50<catsup>or lvs
11:51<ttick>I'm at the stage where it should be doing cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/disk/by-uuid/BLAH
11:51<ttick>but there's no /dev/disk
11:51<catsup>well you've got to fix udev
11:52<ttick>heh. Yeah. Where do I look for signs of errors in initrd?
11:52<catsup>try to upgrade, or downgrade, & regen initramfs
11:52<catsup>the error you're getting is from cryptsetup on the initrd
11:52<catsup>unfortunately i've got to go soon
11:52<ttick>okay, I'm a bit confused on this part -- how do I up/downgrade a root partition that wasn't the one I booted from. Do a chroot?
11:53<themill>ttick: have you had this setup working before? if so, what changed between working and non-working?
11:53<ttick>catsup: if you need to leave, thanks for the help. I'll stalk you later.
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11:54<catsup>ttick: i mean upgrade/downgrade udev
11:54<ttick>themill: two things: I did an apt-get upgrade (testing) on Jan 5 (last one before that was probably Dec 19th). And I replaced the fan on the laptop (which _shouldn't have any effect)
11:54<catsup>ttick: you can chroot in there and run update-initramfs
11:54<ttick>catsup: okay, I'll pursue that.
11:55<catsup>also initramfs-tools
11:55<Thump>Hi! Please help me someone. I've installed debian 5.0.7 netinstall, and my NIC (Marvell Yukon 88E8040 PCI-E Ethernet) doesn't work from the box. I don't have any /dev/eth* devices, I've tried to modprobe sky2, but nothing happens, there is no any dmesg logs for this device. How to make it work? There is no lspci in the netinstall version. sky2 module exists there and is should support my NIC.
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11:55<ttick>themill: (replacing the fan made me take out the HD, of course. But I just put it back in. Just full disclosure.
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11:55<themill>ttick: if you can look through your apt or dpkg logs to know what was upgraded that might be helpful. unfortunately, there's likely to be a lot
11:56<cahoot>Thump: you might unload/reload the module and check dmesg for any complaints
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11:58<themill>Thump: linux doesn't do /dev/eth* in any case, so that's not a way you can check. Looking in dmesg and using "ifconfig -a" is much better.
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11:58<ttick>themill: okay, I'll go for mounting the partitions and look for the info -- maybe in udev
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12:04<jasmine0>How do I fix a misconfigured DBUS session?
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12:05<jasmine0>I was trying to start nm-applet when I got that error
12:05<ttick>themill: okay udev went from 164-2 to 164-3 if that means anything to you.
12:06<chealer>Thump: what is the device's PCI ID?
12:07<themill>ttick: that was supposed to be a fairly innocuous change so I'd hope it didn't cause this sort of problem. That said, all changes being made at the moment shouldn't cause problems :(
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12:07<Thump>themill: Thank you, ifconfig -a helped me! I didn't know that there can be no any /dev/eth* :)
12:08<ttick>themill: I'm not sure how far back you read in the thread here -- but the main symptom seems to be that initrd doesn't load /dev/disk (it's absent in busybox)
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12:08<themill>ttick: yeah, I saw that -- that does rather implicate udev in the picture, that's for sure.
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12:11<Kion>Bonsoir/Hi ;)
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12:13<ttick>themill: initramfs-tools also went from 0.98.5 to 0.98.7. So another suspect, I'd guess.
12:14<themill>yeah, and there will also be an updated kernel
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12:15<ttick>themill: no kernel at that time.
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12:44<botmind>Hi. What does it mean if /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/host-bridge and /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status are empty?
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12:46<botmind>I'm using an "old" card MX 440, installed legacy drivers, they work, but these are empty so I'm not sure if getting the best of it
12:47<ichdasich>botmind: you won't get anything usefull out of an MX 440
12:47<ichdasich>be lucky you get good 2d and some quake
12:48<botmind>ichdasich: well I've succeed to launch Second Life
12:49<botmind>If I go to Kinfocenter, it shows that OpenGL is enabled.. but I am not sure why this /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status is empty
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13:09<Nazcafan>hello ##C++
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13:32<botmind>I am having no master volume control over Intel 82801DB-ICH4.. whatever I've tried - nothing worked.. only PCM control works...
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13:33<botmind>But the sound quality always includes some slight but noticable noise, also cannot set latency more than 50msec
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13:33<botmind>seems like the only solution is to get a new card..
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13:33<a7x>erlang welcome
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13:35<sney>botmind: the emu10k1 from Creative (Live series) should be extremely cheap now and always had excellent alsa compatibility
13:36<ttick>themill: okay, I regenerated initrd. Now udev is loading /dev/disk properly. However, it still isn't decoding my crypto-fs. (doesn't prompt). I'm getting this error on update-initramfs -u "cryptsetup: WARNING: invalid line in /etc/cryptab - ". The line looks okay -- but the volume name is /dev/sda3_crypt Not sure if that name is meaningful. I can't find anyother reference to it.
13:37<ttick>Hmm, the name is: sda3_crypt not /dev/sda3_crypt
13:37<botmind>sney: thx! I was thinking something from Creative.. will take in account emu10k1
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13:38<themill>ttick: does /dev/sda3 exist? has it changed name for some reason?
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13:38<ttick>themill: I'm using testing: not sure if this applies:
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13:40<ttick>themill: yes. /dev/sda3 is my crypto-fs. But the second field in /etc/crypttab I address by UUID, rather than /dev/sda3
13:41<botmind>sney: I've just found a local auction.. the guy says SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 Digital EMU10K1 SB0220.. everyone who has on board AC97 (even 5.1) should upgrade to this one no choice!! just my case
13:41<ttick>themill: and I've confirmed that the UUID is correct
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13:41<sney>botmind: yeah, ac97 was always kinda bad... new hda is better, but I still use my Live
13:42<ttick>themill: the entire line is: sda3_crypt UUID=BLAH none luks
13:42<@weasel>and that works?
13:42<botmind>sney: then he added: - will give normal sound (with my AC97 I'm always having noise as I've mentioned above..) - will give hardware acceleration of sound in games, will download CPU significally
13:42<sney>botmind: heh. how much does he want for it?
13:43<botmind>sney: is this true? I'm willing to use it with Buzz / Psycle if you know such.. with AC97 it was so horrible...
13:43<botmind>sney: $15 but it was 2 years ago
13:43<sney>botmind: yeah, the things he said are true. $15 is kinda high, better to find someone who thinks it's just junk
13:44<gruetzkopf>WTF is wrong with my Xorg: X: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ undefined symbol: LoaderRefSymLists
13:44<abrotman>gruetzkopf: sounds like something is out of sync .. which version of Debian ?
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13:45<botmind>sney: well it was 2 years ago! an already ended auction.. just interesting that he describes the exact problems I have: problematic AC97, slow, bad sound with noise
13:45<sney>botmind: indeed.
13:45<abrotman>gruetzkopf: there is no Debian 6.0 yet ..
13:45<abrotman>gruetzkopf: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin ...
13:45<babilen>gruetzkopf: "ldd ${which X)" ? And put your ^^^
13:45<gruetzkopf>it is 1 line :-)
13:46<gruetzkopf>deb squeeze main contrib
13:46<botmind>sney: the other name seems to be Creative Labs SB0220
13:46<abrotman>gruetzkopf: aptitude update ; aptitude full-upgrade .. does it want to install anything ?
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13:47<sney>botmind: that's the card model #, the chip is called emu10k1. because there are different cards, eg Live Value, Live 5.1, Live Dell edition, etc, that all use the emu10k1 chip
13:47<gruetzkopf>im on powerpc
13:48<gruetzkopf> aptitude full-upgrade
13:48<gruetzkopf>Es werden keine Pakete installiert, aktualisiert oder entfernt.
13:48<sney>don't need google to tell me what "keine pakete" means.
13:48<botmind>sney: oh.. now I see! thx
13:49<ge0rge007>hello! I am trying to settup my router so i can access my ftp server from wan.Can anyone help me pls?:)
13:49<gruetzkopf>no packets to be installed, updated, or removed
13:49<sney>gruetzkopf: doesn't the cube have an ati graphics chip? I guess it's too different
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13:49<gruetzkopf>thats what the 'cube' driver is for
13:49<sney>yeah, just the 'cube' driver doesn't seem to be working
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13:50<gruetzkopf>i gess i need to bug its author
13:50<sney>can you get into X with just 'vesa'?
13:50<botmind>sney: btw, just curious, which DE do you use?
13:50<sney>DE as in desktop environment? xfce4
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13:50<gruetzkopf>no, its using a yuv2 framebuffer, so u get pretty crazy colors
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13:51<kitallis>no notify-osd in squeeze?
13:51<sney>gruetzkopf: haha, well it starts though, right? it doesn't throw errors?
13:51<gruetzkopf>nope, starts pretty
13:51<botmind>sney: yes.. as I've just tried KDE4.. and I don't like with all those new processes..
13:51<gruetzkopf>and im on wii( uses the same chip )
13:52<sney>ok, you're on the right track, though I'd check the debian and/or buck trackers before bothering the author
13:52<sney>oi. bug trackers.
13:52<botmind>so curious what other people are using..
13:52<gruetzkopf>GNOME here, xfce4 on wii
13:52<sney>I use xfce4 on my eee because it is a good combination of functionality and efficiency, and the eee is not very fast
13:53<sney>and then I just started using it on everything
13:53<gruetzkopf>dito for wii+
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13:53<gruetzkopf>76 MB usable ram + ~760 MHz Cpu
13:54<botmind>gruetzkopf: wii - a Nintendo console? with Linux?
13:54<botmind>I was thinking about eee, but I guess the next purchase will be Motorola Droid
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13:55<gruetzkopf>yeah, its quite usable on it
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13:56<gruetzkopf>Linux version 2.6.32-isobel-wii + debootstrapped PowerPC fs= fun
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13:57<abrotman>eh ...
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13:57<abrotman>something is out of sync .. you sohuld probably ask whoever made the distro
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13:58<gruetzkopf>i think its just the driver thats to olde
13:59<gruetzkopf>only thing not debian is the kernel
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14:00<sney>you installed with debootstrap I guess
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14:01<gruetzkopf>yeah, no way for debian installer
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14:04<kitallis>do we have a notify-osd like commandline tool?
14:04<kitallis>for squeeze?
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14:08<feanor>hi there...
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14:09<feanor>I got an Intel 855Gm video chipset, the i915 driver automatically loaded by squeeze, but my system is using software raterization in order to render...
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14:09<feanor>glxgears is using my CPU instead of the video chip...
14:09<feanor>and glxinfo says:
14:10<feanor>OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
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14:19<feanor>why i915 driver, and not i810 or i830? the chipset is 855GM
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14:19<sney>feanor: the i915 driver handles graphics for all 9xx and 8xx intel gpus
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14:19<sney>drm/glx isn't loaded perhaps
14:20<Alba>alguien sabe español¿?
14:20<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:20<Guest474>pero alguien sabe español
14:21<feanor>yo, pero vete al otro lado...
14:21<Guest474>a donde¿?
14:21<feanor>sney: I'll take a look
14:21<Guest474>pero no puedo
14:21<Guest474>le doy y sigo aki
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14:22<feanor>oye mira, escribe "/join #debian-es"
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14:22<feanor>well, I don't see any /drm/glx section in modconf.
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14:23<feanor>how can I enable GLX?
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14:23<sney>it *should* enable on its own if it's installed
14:23<botmind>can anyone tell.. wether Nvidia MX 440 much better than Intel 82845G ?
14:23<sney>botmind: a little better yeah
14:24<feanor>glxinfo says: OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
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14:24<feanor>and glxgears using my CPU...
14:25<sney>is libgl1-mesa-glx installed?
14:25<botmind>a little.. I see
14:26<gruetzkopf>i hate api changes
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14:28<botmind>sney: maybe you also know.. glxinfo shows OpenGL renderer string: GeForce4 MX 440/PCI/SSE2 but both /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/host-bridge and /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status are empty.. so I'm not getting if AGP is enabled or no?
14:28<feanor>how to enable hardware GLX? I'm going drazy (o Y o)
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14:29<botmind>sney: or maybe it cannot be not enabled if the card is working? I'm not getting if I should dig more to get /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status showing something..
14:29<sney>botmind: does 'agpgart' show in lsmod?
14:29<mjr>feanor, see's log, it may tell why DRI isn't enabled (possibly due to bit depth or something on that old hardware)
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14:30<botmind>sney: well I have it blacklisted.. no
14:30<abrotman>aLbIiTa: /join #debian-es
14:30<sney>botmind: if agpgart is not loaded, then agp is not enabled.
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14:30<ttick>themill: finally fixed it. In short the solution was: mounting my disk from live-cd with the same crytpsetup name reference as what is in the target /etc/crypttab. After chrooting the target fs, I did a update-initramfs -u. Everything shook out. It must have failed during hte last update for some reason and I didn't noice.
14:31<ttick>themill: thanks for all the help
14:31<feanor>(II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
14:31<feanor>(II) Loading extension DRI2
14:31<feanor>(WW) intel(0): cannot enable DRI2 whilst forcing software fallbacks
14:31<feanor>(II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI2 capable
14:31<feanor>(II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
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14:31<adema>i have a problem with gdm
14:31<ttick>catsup: thank you too, catsup!
14:31<adema>i just compiled the nvidia module with m-a
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14:31<feanor>oh, sorry about that
14:31<botmind>sney: oh really? lsmod |grep -i agp shows nothing
14:31<adema>i did an nvidia-xconfig
14:32<adema>but weird thing, there was no /etc/X11/xorg.conf
14:32<adema>so it creates one
14:32<feanor>so, it says (II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable, that's unbeliable, 3 or 4 years ago I could play quakeII decently :/
14:32<adema>and when i tried to restrart gdm, it kind of "freez"
14:32<sret>what is an XO-lick
14:32<adema>in fact, gdm restart in an infinite loop
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14:33<feanor>(==) intel(0): Shadow buffer enabled, GPU acceleration disabled.
14:33<botmind>adema: I did the same thing several hours ago.. and I had to place this generated config into /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/here.conf
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14:34<aLbIiTa>no entiendo ni una palabra
14:34<sret>i deleted the XO-lock file in /home/sret/ 2 days ago, i see it back in there again, what is this file supposed to do?
14:34<abrotman>aLbIiTa: english only here, use #debian-es
14:34<botmind>adema: but I also had to increase Vert/Horiz refresh rates and set a default resolution
14:35<adema>and how can i know what i must change ?
14:35<botmind>sney: I thought agpgart is the one prohibiting me from use nvidia's agp.. now it's something new
14:36<adema>i don't really know what values to try
14:36<sret>Sorry the file is /tmp/.XO-lock
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14:36<sney>botmind: oh, yeha, ther might be something like that
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14:36<aLbIiTa>i love we
14:36<botmind>adema: well after I've placed it there, KDE loaded with a very low resolution, so I edited it
14:36<adema>yeak ok
14:37<adema>but the refresh rates ?
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14:38<botmind>adema: HorizSync 28.0 - 110.0 and VertRefresh 43.0 - 150.0 - I've increased the right values
14:38<adema>how did you know the values ??
14:38<botmind>they were too low..
14:38<adema>hum ... ok
14:39<aLbIiTa>lol :)
14:39<adema>i'll try
14:39<adema> brb
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14:39<sret>any ideas anyone? what's an .XO-lock file in /tmp/ ?
14:39<aLbIiTa>k estas llorando
14:40<aLbIiTa>esk no entiendo
14:40<botmind>because I set the default resolution to 1280x1024 and it failed too load - still lowest possible resolution.. I looked over /var/log/Xorg.log and it complained there that no available modes for 1280x1024 resotion.. so Increased the refresh rates some arbitrary higher
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14:40<abrotman>aLbIiTa: Este canal es de sólo Inglés. si desea utilizar el español, por favor "/ join # debian-es" para un canal de habla español
14:40<abrotman>erm .. /join #debian-es
14:40<abrotman>yay google translate
14:41<sney>!congratulate abrotman
14:41<dpkg>Huzzah abrotman, you did it!
14:41<Vergral>Hi, i'm having a bit trouble getting kde 4.4 working in just dist-upgraded squeeze, everytime time i try loggin, it just kills the process and goes back to kdm/gdm
14:41<abrotman>i'm trying ot be nice about it
14:41<faheem>botmind: it is possible to look up the refresh rates and preferred resolutions for your monitor
14:41<Vergral>Earlier kdm.log complainded about my openchrome driver...
14:41<faheem>botmind: not necessary to guess
14:41<Vergral>Now it says there's something wrong with mtrr
14:41<sney>abrotman: good luck since it's probably another 12-year-old kid with a new netbook
14:41<abrotman>that was the final try
14:42<botmind>faheem: how can I do this..? the values were detected by nvidia-xconfig but they were too low
14:42<feanor>I don't uderstand why i915 does not work with my 855GM...
14:42<feanor>it says I can use DRI
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14:42<feanor>(II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
14:42<sney>maybe if you generate an xorg.conf and manually tell it to load dri and glx
14:43<sret>think i found it, so an X0-lock file is because if you start a screen session with the same id
14:43<feanor>I'll check that
14:43<Vergral>And google hasn't really given me anything to work with, so i'd 'preciate if someone can gimme some ideas where to locate the problem :)
14:43<mjr>feanor, what part of "is not" says you can?
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14:44<sney>mjr: his graphics chip can do it, it's not a hardware incompatibility
14:44<feanor>mjr: sorry?
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14:44<adema>it change nothing to put the conf file in /usr/share/X11/xord.conf.d
14:45<adema>still infinite loop of restart
14:45<botmind>adema: well check Xorg.log then
14:45<feanor>hey, where is xorg.conf located?
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14:45<faheem>botmind: google for your monitor online. search for specifications or details or something
14:45<feanor>no, it isn't there!
14:45<faheem>botmind: it is often possible to download the manual as a pdf
14:46<sney>if botmind is on a wii.. doesn't that make his monitor a televisin?
14:46<faheem>sney: regardless, there should be published specs
14:46<botmind>faheem: well I knew these details... I've had a sticker with suggested resolution and refresh rate on about the same monitor.. so I've placed the values a bit higher and it worked..
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14:47<faheem>botmind: ok
14:47<botmind>sney: well.. no I'm not on wii.. it was another guy, I just wondered wii can boot Linux
14:47<botmind>faheem: I thought you can suggest some automation way
14:47<feanor>where the hell is xorg.conf located?
14:47<sney>oh sorry my mistake
14:48<cahoot>feanor: might be absent
14:48<jordanm>feanor: you may not have one as its not required
14:48<sney>feanor: it's not there by default. you have to run X -configure and it will generate one
14:48<faheem>botmind: oh, there might be, but not off the top of my head. you mean query the monitor itself?
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14:48<jordanm>feanor: there is also /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d these days
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14:48<botmind>faheem: yes.. well I guess putting manually somewhat higher is ok
14:48<feanor>the problem is that I can't get accelerated graphics with a 855GM chipset...
14:49<faheem>botmind: note that monitors don't automatically run at the correct/preferred resolution
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14:49<faheem>botmind: i just had some mysterious font problems which disappeared when i set my monitors resolution correctly
14:49<faheem>botmind: so it is worth checking on that at least
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14:50<faheem>botmind: i mean, the fonts went from horrible to perfect
14:50<botmind>faheem: well but somehow X guessed it absolutely correct!
14:50<faheem>botmind: that's nice
14:52<feanor>is i855GM DRI or GLX?
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14:53<feanor>GL_RENDERER: Software Rasterizer why? why? why?!!!
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14:56<sret>interesting, learnt something today, multiple xsessions and how it's prevented
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15:16<charmander>anybody having problems with KVM since the last packet actualization in squeeze?
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15:18<james_>alguem ai do Brasil????
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15:25<botmind>sney: thx again for the audio card suggestion.. I'm now really feeling as a right choice to purchase it
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15:51<hardbop200>hi! I'm trying to make the font on my gnome menus regular (instead of bold)...I've been google-ing like crazy, and can't find where to change this. does anyone have any ideas or hints?
15:52<hardbop200>I'm using a theme I installed for my own user, through the Appearance applet, fyi
15:53<Arrowmaster>go into the appearance app and click the font tab
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15:54<hardbop200>right, but for some reason the menu labels Applications | Places | System do not obey this selection
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15:54<minishooter>Hi ! I'm a french user of Debian (so sorry for my bad english) and I have a problem with the tool vga_switcheroo. I use the kernel 2.6.37 and I would like to switch beetwen my Intel chipset and my ATI GPU but the file /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch doesn't exist. I don't understand why, can someone help me ?
15:55<Arrowmaster>hardbop200: application font setting seems to effect the menu labels for me
15:56<Arrowmaster>but you probably dont want that to be bold everwhere
15:56<hardbop200>Arrowmaster: I'll give it a try. maybe my theme is overriding it?
15:57<Arrowmaster>maybe, i dont really know anything about gnome themes but i would guess that it should be customizable somehow to not use the application font setting
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15:58<Arrowmaster>that or something in either the applet or gnome-panel
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15:59<hardbop200>Arrowmaster: thanks. I just looked inside the theme archive, and it looks like everything is defined in a gtkrc file...I'll look for that.
15:59<mothermcfucker>Minishooter, was it built or installed with debugging symbols?
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16:01<hardbop200>mothermcfucker: love the username :)
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16:02<minishooter>mothermcfucker: No, the kernel was installed from the experimental repository
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16:04<mothermcfucker>Did the vga switcheroo come with a debugging option?
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16:05<feanor>where is xorg.conf? please!
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16:06<mothermcfucker>Look at that config option in the event you want to rebuild your kernel
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16:06<Xenguy>Need a little help - a recent grub-pc update was apparently poorly handled by me, and I received too scrary warnings (though not strictly errors). See here:
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16:07<feanor>WHERE IS XORG.CONF??? SO WEIRD!
16:07<minishooter>feanor: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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16:07<Xenguy>feanor: Apparently not needed anymore (most of the time)
16:07<feanor>I need it!
16:08<feanor>to put
16:08<Xenguy>feanor: good, you lost the caps :-)
16:08<feanor>Option "Shadow" "FALSE"
16:08<feanor>on it!
16:08<minishooter>mothermcfucker: I don't know if this tool come with a debugging option, sorry !
16:08<mothermcfucker>You can build the debugging kernek symbols if you look at the gentoo config
16:08<minishooter>feanor: If you need it, create it ! ;)
16:08<Xenguy>feanor: as minishooter said, it should go here: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
16:09<mothermcfucker>Feanor will need to disable the display manager
16:09<mothermcfucker>and run Xorg -config -retro
16:09<mothermcfucker>Do it from root
16:09<minishooter>mothermcfucker: ok thanks, I have never build any kernel but I will test, thanks !
16:10<mothermcfucker>but be sure to backup the debx config file
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16:10<feanor>well lads, I'll try it... as soon as I finish chatting with my girl :) & :(
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16:10<mothermcfucker>Don't stay here with a bunch of wankers, go talk to her
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16:13<feanor>I¡ll brb
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17:34<fnmueller>Stemby: are you aware that squeeze was frozen?
17:34<Stemby>yes, fnmueller
17:35<jazzy_jasmine>I made a script and put it in /etc/init.d/ then when in did update-rc.d it said MISSING LSB tags and Overrides.
17:35<jazzy_jasmine>How do I fix this?
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17:36<jazzy_jasmine>I looked at the man page and changed the syntax but I get errors
17:36<fnmueller>Stemby: well, I am not in a position to help you, but thet fact that squeeze is frozen somehow diminishes your chance of getting this package into squezze
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17:37<Stemby>fnmueller: it's not needed.
17:37<Stemby>Sid is good
17:38<fnmueller>well, best chance probably is to join the maintainer # and ask there, maybe you get a sponsor or find someone who will maintain the package for you
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17:43<dpkg>mentors is, like, the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. #debian-mentors on
17:44<abrotman>Stemby: ^^
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17:45<Stemby>abrotman: thanks
17:45<babilen>!tell jazzy_jasmine -about lsb tags
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17:56<navis>hello world
17:56<navis>it seems I have no way to change my keyboard layout in sid's gnome ?
17:57<jazzy_jasmine>babilen: i looked at the other scripts in init.d now I know what they are but how do I create them?
17:57<navis>I mean I choose a layout in gdm3, but then I have no way to change that, no matter what I put in the preferences
17:57<navis>and I have no indicator in the notification area, even when I define multiple layouts
17:58<babilen>jazzy_jasmine: You open a text editor and write them into your init script? Have a look at /etc/init.d/skeleton for an example of a bare-bone init script.
17:58<navis>I'm asking here since I have absolutely no idea which package is involved :-)
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17:58<jazzy_jasmine>babilen: thanks
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18:04<navis>from the docs it seems I'm supposed to get an icon in the notification area, and it behaved that way in the past
18:04<navis>but I haven't seen that icon for some times
18:04<navis>and today went to the prefs to change my layout, but no way
18:05<navis>I even configured scroll-lock to switch layouts, but it doesn't work either
18:06<navis>and removing all layouts except the one I want doesn't switch
18:06<navis>no gnome keyboard expert here ?
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18:10<rld>hi, could someone help me with a problem trying to install lenny netinstall?
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18:11<botmind>rld: hi, what problem?
18:11<rld>I'm using onboard NICs and neither of them are detected
18:12<rld>so there's pretty much nothing I can do after that
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18:12<rld>I've used squeeze before and it worked out of the box in the installer, but I want to try out stable now
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18:12<feanor>wha I can't believe this
18:13<feanor>rebooted and... "No soundcard..."
18:13<feanor>root@joumeI:/home/feanor# alsactl init
18:13<feanor>alsactl: init:1743: No soundcards found...
18:13<feanor>I only installed "openarena"
18:13<botmind>rld: maybe try Lenny but full CD
18:13<feanor>when I started it I heard a "warning sound"
18:14<feanor>well, I rebooted, and that's what I got, no soundcard found!
18:14<rld>botmind: I'm guessing the install will work, but how will I get my ethernet running after that?
18:14<kingsley>How would you fix the error "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgfortran"?
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18:14<rld>I have some Linux experience, but I'm not too comfortable hardware wise :D
18:15<botmind>rld: well, me too.. I just thought since Squeeze full CD installed well, maybe Lenny's one would also
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18:15<rld>actually I only installed squeeze through netinstall, worked just fine
18:16<rld>though I had some breaking after updating some times, that's why I want to try out stable :)
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18:16<botmind>rld: what breaking? I've just switched to Squeeze!
18:17<botmind>as for your issue I might only suggest to search for "Lenny <your nic's chipset>"
18:17<rld>I honestly can't remember, it was a while I'm just running Ubuntu :P
18:17<rld>yeah, I've tried googling all over
18:17<rld>apparently it has something to do with the sky2 driver
18:17<botmind>oh.. well seems like Squeeze would become stable in a month or so
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18:18<rld>hm, I guess I could wait a while
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18:18<botmind>yes, just 3 days ago first release candidate (RC1) announced
18:18<rld>are there any real estimates for a release date out there?
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18:19<botmind>I was asking them just 1 day ago.. they told me just as soon as all bugs will be fixed.. now only like 20+ bugs left so they told me approx end of Feb. or maybe even sooner
18:20<rld>sounds nice
18:21<botmind>yes.. but I've tried KDE4 from there and I've became dissapointed.. about KDE itself.. but Squeeze itself seems like nicer
18:21<stevecotton>feanor: That 'no soundcard found' error message is confusing. One of the sound libraries likes to print that, but then sound works anyway.
18:21<botmind>rld: you used KDE in Ubuntu? was it also 4?
18:22<rld>no, I have the default GNOME installed
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18:22<rld>only time I used KDE was at my university's pcs, running slackware
18:24<botmind>ok.. I'm occasionally asking people here which DE they use.. and which browser? Epiphany, Chrome or Firefox?
18:24<rld>can't live without my noscript :)
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18:25<rld>also I hate the fact that scroll speed can't be customized in Chrome(ium) on Linux unless you recompile
18:25<rld>and fast scrolling needs an extension too
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18:26<botmind>yes for various code-related purposes FF seems to be the best with so many extensions available
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18:36<kingsley>How do you force apt-get to remove just the one package name passed to it, without also removing all packages that depend on it?
18:37<navis>hello, any gnome keyboard expert on board ?
18:38<themill>kingsley: if packages depend on something that is being removed, they too have to be removed. That's what "dependency" means.
18:38<ompaul>kingsley: if you mean you want to remove a package and it says ohh I'll remove gnome-desktop that is a meta package and you have to lose that but it does not mean you lose the rest of gnome
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18:39<kingsley>themill: Yes, you're right of course. Here's the big but. But, I'm going to immediately re-install the package, and I'd like to avoid reinstalling dozens of other packages that depend on it.
18:39<themill>kingsley: aptitude reinstall packagename
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18:43<botmind>gnome seems popular
18:44<kingsley>themill: Thank you.
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19:34<sonservant> I'm hoping someone can clarify the relationship between GDM, xserver and a windows manager like fluxbox
19:34<sonservant>Does the xserver host GDM?
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19:37<AbeelFS>i can't mount my ipod touch in Debian Squeeze
19:38<AbeelFS>unhandled lockdown error (-5)
19:38<amphi>!blame apple
19:38*dpkg blames zmoelnig_ and apple for the end of life as we know it
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19:39<AbeelFS>can you help me ?
19:40<dpkg>well, ipod is a purty silver and white or black box, definitely not bigger than a breadbox. Would be better if it supported some non-encumbered formats. To manage an iPod using a Debian system, ask me about <amarok>, <banshee>, <gtkpod>, <rhythmbox>.
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19:49<sonservant>During the installaiton, I selected tasksel Desktop. I now have GDM running but I would like to be able to also run fluxbox, how would I do that?
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19:54<sonservant>After more reading I believe that GDM initiates the xserver process, is this correct?
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19:57<dpkg>rumour has it, fluxbox is an X window manager forked from <Blackbox> 0.61.1, or Blackbox the featureless wonder with some added features. To install, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install fluxbox . #fluxbox on
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19:59<sonservant>@dpkg what I would like to do is when desired, run a low overhead windows manager instead of Gnome. Is there a way to switch between Gnome and fluxbox or another windows manager?
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20:00<amphi>sonservant: I believe you can configure your DM to allow you to select from a range of WM sessions
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20:00<amphi>for all I know, installing a WM may automagically add it to the available options in GDM
20:00*amphi uses startx
20:01<sonservant>Can you point me to where I can read up on that?
20:01<sonservant>That's exactly what i'd like to do.
20:02<sonservant>@amphi so a GDM daemon initiates login and starts the xserver process, is that correct?
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20:03<amphi>I believe so
20:03<amphi>I have never used a DM
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20:04<sonservant>So you're using a WM? Which one do you recommend for programming? I'm a noob with *nix but learning :)
20:05<dpkg>Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. Backported 4.6.1 packages are available, ask me about <bdo>. #xfce on
20:05<jordanm>4.8 released upstream today!
20:06<sonservant>install xfce
20:06<sonservant><install xfce>
20:06<sonservant>@dpkg are you AI?
20:07<bst>sonservant: /msg dpkg install xfce
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20:09<sonservant>@bst I'm learning irc too :| what do I do with your last message?
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20:10<bst>sonservant: 'dpkg' is bot
20:10<sonservant>thought so, but didn't want to be rude
20:10<sonservant>so what do I do with your /msg?
20:10<bst>!install xfce
20:10<dpkg>To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies . To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): press the Tab key at d-i's boot prompt, then include desktop=xfce in the boot options.
20:10<Bigtim>im borde
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20:11<sonservant><install x>
20:12<bst>sonservant: use /msg dpkg install x
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21:18<Warp4>hi all. does anyone know what package has the gtk-config utility in it?
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21:18<sney>Warp4: use apt-file to find out
21:18<amphi>gtk-config? what's that?
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21:19<sney>amphi: dunno
21:20<sney>but if it exists, apt-file can find it
21:20<amphi>Warp4: do you mean gtk theme selector, for example?
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21:21<amphi>yes, I'm a fan of apt-file
21:22<Warp4>amphi, hmm, turns out i dont need it
21:22<Warp4>was building putty
21:23<abrotman>why? putty is in debian
21:23<Warp4>but it built just fine
21:23<Warp4>abrotman, not the development version of putty :)
21:23<amphi>why do you need putty in debian?
21:23<Warp4>besides, i like building stuff :)
21:23<Warp4>amphi, i like the connection directory feature
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21:25<Dale407>good eve guys & gals
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21:25<Dale407>i'm getting an error while trying to rebuild my kernel
21:25<Dale407>E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
21:25<sney>what release, what architecture, and why are you trying to rebuild your kernel?
21:25<Dale407>I'm running BackTrack 4 r2
21:26<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
21:26<Dale407>From what I /join #backtrack-linux
21:26<sney>do /server first then /join #backtrack-linux
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21:27<theowl> /server
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21:50<john_>guys, anyone here idea in the forum for general linux ?
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21:53<kop>john_: We support Debian here, so that's what we'd recommend. :)
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21:53<kop>john_: Debian has many, many packages, probably more than any other distro.
21:53<kop>!tell john about overview
21:55<john_>ok..anyone can help this simple problem on how to make directory over ssh
21:55<kop>john_: You login with ssh and type mkdir directoryname?
21:56<john_>nope, i'm looking to create it over ssh without using ssh cause i'm making a script out of it
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21:57<kop>john_: man sshd. Look for authorized_keys.
21:57<kop>john_: (Although I don't see how you can do it over ssh without using ssh.)
21:58<john_>i did already have a passwordless login, i'm looking a way if i can create a directory over ssh running on script process
21:58<kop>john_: ssh 'mkdir newdirectory'
21:59<kop>john_: Although if you want the key to only ever just do the mkdir, you use command= inside authorized_keys.
21:59<john_>gonna check the above command first
22:01<john_>great help kop
22:01<john_>it works now
22:01<john_>i didn't even imagine that command..ahehe
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22:02<kop>john_: It helps to rtfm.
22:03<dpkg>from memory, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.]
22:03<kop>john_: Note that the summary at the top shows that the last thing you can put on the ssh command line is an optional command.
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22:06<john_>by the way, when would be the release of squeeze?
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22:07<kop>john_: All sorts of gems in the documentation. (For general purposes the openbsd man pages are the best, but you have to read carefully because every word counts. Of course that's onyl good for generic Un*x-ie stuff that's the same everywhere. You may need to read the debian pages or /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/README.Debian for debian.)
22:07<kop>!guess the release date
22:07<dpkg>Guess the release date is a game you can play! Look at and guess when the green line will reach 0. Ask me about <squeeze pool>.
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22:17<hardbop200>hi. my laptop is not showing a entries in /proc/acpi that refer to a battery at all. any tips on how to troubleshoot a problem like this? it's a very new laptop, intel i3 processor
22:19<kop>hardbop200: What version of Debian?
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22:19<holstein>hardbop200: o/
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22:21<hardbop200>holstein: !
22:21<hardbop200>man, you're everywhere :)
22:21<hardbop200>kop: squeeze
22:21<holstein>hardbop200: hehe
22:21<holstein>good to see you
22:22<holstein>im just getting off a gig
22:22<holstein>cant hang long
22:22<kop>hardbop200: New hardware can be a problem. You could build the latest kernel with make-kpkg. That might or might not help.
22:22<hardbop200>holstein: cool. I just bought a roland juno stage, should be in this week. I'll catch ya in the other room to brag ltr this week :)
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22:23<hardbop200>kop: yup, I was afraid of that :(
22:23<holstein>hardbop200: SWEET... i look forward to catching up with you
22:23<kop>You guys might want to take it to #debian-offtopic
22:24<hardbop200>kop: k
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22:25<john_>is this ok to state here on my problem regarding my bind9 dns on debian lenny?
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22:26<holstein>kop: thanks
22:26<kop>john_: Sure. Anything related to debian support.
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22:28<john_>i'm running a bind dns on chroot environment on debian 5, i've noticed that i have several running process of named is that normal ?
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22:33<kop>john_: Yes.
22:33<kop>john_: I could be wrong.
22:33<john_>i have 375 running process currently
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22:33<kop>john_: Not good.
22:34<kop>john_: Something's broken. Check the README.Debian first if you've not already.
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22:35<john_>what do you mean something broken. I've noticed also on my logs that it runs out of memory
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22:37<kop>john_: I don't believe that it should have that many processes. I was thinking just one for the parent and one for the chroot to do the work. (Maybe not even the first.) I don't recall if it's threaded but unless you're _really_ getting hammered I'd not expect to ever see any of the su-processes show up in ps.
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22:39<kop>john_: What version of debian? You might want to report a bug. See "/msg dpkg reportbug".
22:39<john_>debian 5.0 lenny
22:40<kop>john_: You could also search the bug tracking system.
22:42<kop>john_: You could begin by running it out of a chroot and see if it works that way.
22:47<john_>copy that kop. I'm thinking to move it out on chroot since i'm just using it on a local network
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