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---Logopened Mon Jan 17 00:00:33 2011
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00:03<johnc>Hey, can anyone point me to resources on why I CAN boot an archlinux.org install image but I CAN'T boot a debian image from my USB stick onto my netbook?
00:07<Hydroxide>johnc: what we can do is help you boot debian from your USB stick onto your netbook, assuming your netbook can boot from USB at all
00:07<Hydroxide>or find another way to boot
00:08<johnc>Yes it can
00:08<johnc>it can boot archlinux.org's install image just fine
00:08<Hydroxide>ok, then we can help you boot debian from USB if you want
00:09<johnc>but debian 5.0.7's it doesn't load with the same BIOS setup and everything
00:09<Hydroxide>tell us what you tried so far
00:09<johnc>I have archlinux installed on my laptop r/n
00:09<Hydroxide>ok
00:09<johnc>But I'd prefer debian of course ;)
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00:09<Hydroxide>I mean, tell us what you have tried about booting debian from usb
00:09<Hydroxide>how did you prepare the usb stick?
00:09<johnc>dd if=~/Downloads/debian-507-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/disk1 bs=1m
00:10<johnc>That's how I copied it on from my Macbook Pro shell console
00:10<Hydroxide>ah. no, that doesn't work with lenny. it will with squeeze (the upcoming release) IIRC
00:10<johnc>really?
00:10<Hydroxide>iso images aren't generally bootable directly from usb sticks
00:10<johnc>yeah huh
00:10<johnc>good to at least know that! :)
00:10<Hydroxide>only ones prepared with isohybrid are, since they also have a MS-DOS partition table
00:11<johnc>hmm
00:11<kop>johnc: (You might want to use squeeze anyway. It does not have the security support that lenny has, but it will when it goes stable and you won't have to upgrade.)
00:11<Hydroxide>johnc: squeeze will be doing that for its netinstall isos, but lenny didn't. there is an image you can download and dd to the stick though.
00:11<Hydroxide>johnc: or you can follow kop's suggestion and install squeeze directly, which will become stable in a matter of weeks.
00:11<kop>johnc: See the installation guide for how to install lenny from a usb stick.
00:11<kop>Hydroxide: For some value of "weeks". :-)
00:12<johnc>so squeeze is a command utility?
00:12<Hydroxide>kop: at this point, I think saying "weeks" is accurate
00:12<Hydroxide>johnc: no, squeeze is the upcoming release of debian
00:12<kop>Hydroxide: I'd guess so too, but....
00:12<johnc>aha
00:12<Hydroxide>kop: I didn't put a number, but it's in the single digits
00:12<Hydroxide>kop: (probably)
00:12<kop>!tell johnc about overview
00:12<johnc>well I'm willing to take the plunge into squeeze and give it a try
00:12<Hydroxide>johnc: in that case, go here: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
00:13<Hydroxide>johnc: I believe -- though I am not 100% certain -- that the i386 netinst iso will work with the preparation you described on a usb stick
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00:13<johnc>cool
00:14<johnc>invaluable pointers guys, thanks so much :)
00:14<Hydroxide>johnc: that release candidate of the installer was released five days ago (the 12th) - it should mostly work fine, but do report any problems so that we can fix them before release :)
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00:14<johnc>sure
00:14<Hydroxide>you're welcome. good luck!
00:14<johnc>cheers! :)
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00:14<kop>johnc: Note that debian does upgrade well, fwiw. Good luck.
00:15<johnc>debian is the best managed distro of course ;)
00:15<Hydroxide>kop: yes, though it's important to follow the release notes' upgrade instructions. there are sometimes some gotchas, but obeying the release notes usually avoids them
00:15<Hydroxide>kop: (many of the gotchas are due to how fast the kernel/udev world and the desktop infrastructure world move, none of which is debian-specific
00:15<Hydroxide>)
00:15<kop>Hydroxide: It's amazing that many people don't follow the upgrade instructions. I've no clue why they think they know how to do it themselves.
00:16<Hydroxide>kop: most people remember "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade" from years ago and haven't noticed the vast changes in linux since then
00:16<amitz>kop: we often manage in our vcr without manual book ;-)
00:16<kop>Hydroxide: (I am also currently advertizing <overview>, because many people think "Debian does not have the software I 'need'."
00:16<Hydroxide>kop: and that knowledge has gotten passed down to newer users who are less likely to know how to fix the rough edges.
00:17<Hydroxide>cool
00:17<Hydroxide>I should look at that factoid :) will request it now
00:17<kop>Hydroxide: /msg dpkg overview
00:17<amitz>there is aptitude safe-upgrade recently :-)
00:17<Hydroxide>kop: I just did
00:17<kop>!tell Hydroxide about msg the bot
00:17<Hydroxide>kop: looks good :)
00:18<Hydroxide>kop: no need to tell me - I would hope that as a chanop I would be aware of dpkg factoids :)
00:18<Hydroxide>but thanks
00:18<kop>Hydroxide: Oops. Thought you were asking. :/
00:18<Hydroxide>no worries
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00:19<kop>Hydroxide: I also put in a wishlist bug to have some sort of reference to the <overview> information in the install guide. The only response I got was that that'd be neigh impossible to translate in time. We'll see....
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00:21<Hydroxide>kop: at this point, it's possible that that's true, given how many languages there are and how imminent squeeze is. it might be possible to add that to the manual in the first point release (I'm not sure if that's allowed mid-cycle), or at the very latest for wheezy
00:22<kop>Hydroxide: I get it. It's a shame though.
00:22<Hydroxide>kop, johnc: I seem to be correct about the isohybrid support (i.e. dd of .iso files to USB) being included in d-i squeeze RC1: http://blog.einval.com/2011/01/07#isohybrid_CDs
00:23<Hydroxide>kop: ya.
00:23*smv would like to know if there is any support for aes-xts in d-i
00:23<bluetiki>so is squeeze going to have another rc or is it just going to be the stable release
00:24<Hydroxide>if it didn't make it into RC1, then almost certainly any future relases
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00:24<Hydroxide>bluetiki: depends on how it goes, like with most release candidates :)
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00:24<Hydroxide>(for any product)
00:24<johnc>re: isohybrid --- nice :)
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00:26<Hydroxide>smv: I have no idea, sorry. check the manual or other available info. it's definitely customizable enough to add on the support if it's not there, though it won't be included in an official squeeze installer in that case. it can always be in a custom-built squeeze installer, and possibly in the official one for the next release.
00:26<johnc>Confirmed booting
00:26<Hydroxide>johnc: yay :)
00:26<johnc>:)
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00:30<smv>heh, then perhaps my 'awkward procedure' is still good.
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00:38<Hydroxide>smv: if it's useful and not conveniently documented, maybe make a page on wiki.debian.org about it, link it from somewhere appropriate, then maybe email debian-boot@lists.debian.org to mention it and ask where else to publicize it?
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00:43<smv>Hydroxide, heh, did a wiki page about a year ago, combined with other things too. didn't publicized it though (just mentioned it on irc a few times), because it's still too awkward. should rewrite it someday, beacause some things have changed. http://wiki.debian.org/AesXtsEncryptedLvm
00:45<smv>wouldn't have mention it again, but the whole previous install discussion reminded me about it.
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01:02<Hydroxide>smv: sure. well if you publicize it a bit more, in whatever the right locations are (ask either on debian-boot@ or in #debian-boot, or potentially #debian-devel), others can help you tighten up the wording
01:02<Hydroxide>and generalize, too
01:02<Hydroxide>smv: anyway, cool, and good luck!
01:02*Hydroxide goes afk &
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03:32<macarthur>is there any easy way to set the compiler threshold via make so that i don't have to go back and forth between gcc and g++?
03:34<jm_>what do you mean?
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03:37<macarthur>i was going to compile firefox and i wanted to make sure ithat it compiled with -03 instead of -0S i believe it said since i want it to be as optimized as possible and i don't care if the end file size is larger
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03:46<jm_>well that depends on build system it uses, typically you can do it with make CFLAGS="foo"
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03:52<macarthur>so that would overwrite the compiler flags inside of the configure file?
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03:58<jm_>it depends on build system, with configure you can typically tell it which CFLAGS to use before it creates Makefile(s)
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04:00<macarthur>the build system would be Debian Sid x86-x64, and i just previously did a ./configure and the only thing i saw about the compiler optimizations was an -02 i tseemed.
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04:00<jm_>no I mean build system of the app, is it GNU autoconf etc.
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04:01<macarthur>i just typed ./configure and then i'd be doing make. It's the autoconf that comes with debian and states The standard for FSF source packages.
04:02<jm_>in that case see above
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04:03<jm_>also read: ./configure --help
04:04<dondelelcaro>macarthur: first off, -Os is likely to be faster than -O3; secondly, why aren't you just using the Debian packages?
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04:06<macarthur>it's 3.5.x and i have gotten tired of swiftfox randomly crashing on me, and i don't feel like going down in speed to normal firefox since it's usually a bit slower as far as efficiency.
04:07<dondelelcaro>huh?
04:08<dondelelcaro>we distribute 3.6.X as well as 3.5.X
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04:09<macarthur>iceweasel is 3.5.12 i believe. And that's what is installed on my system and thus it was kinda boring. That's what is there and thus it felt sluggish. The other part is the swiftfox feels faster or well normally did but after i've used it for awhile it crashes randomly.
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04:09<dondelelcaro>judd: versions iceweasel
04:09<judd>Package iceweasel on i386 -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-4~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.16-4; squeeze: 3.5.16-4; experimental: 3.6.13-2
04:10<dondelelcaro>as you can see, it's not 3.5.12.
04:10<dondelelcaro>but anyway, if you don't want to use the Debian packages, this isn't the place to ask about compilation of random binaries; the firefox channel can help you on irc.mozilla.org
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04:12<jm_>bpo now has 3.6 too
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04:19<jm_>ahh no, it's not on the backports.debian.org, but on mozilla.debian.net
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04:36<jaquer>Hello all. Weird situation here: aptitude update completes, but trying to install a package (in my case, git) gives me an error about no packages matching the name.
04:36<jaquer>fresh sid install, sources.lst: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib
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04:42<jaquer>Better go to bed for the night. Will try again tomorrow.
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05:22<seventy-five_>Can someone help me get my wireless working?
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05:23<amitz>that's an intimidating question. split your questions.
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05:25<seventy-five_>I just downloading debian squeeze and my wireless card is ar8152. I downloaded the atheros 81family package but i'm not sure what i do with it.
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05:26<amitz>!tell seventy-five_ about ath9k
05:26<themill>!ar8152
05:26<dpkg>The Atheros AR8152 Fast Ethernet controller (v1.1: PCI-ID 1969:2060; v2.0: PCI-ID 1969:2062) is supported by the <atl1c> driver in Debian linux-image packages since linux-2.6 2.6.32-28 (BTS #599771). Use Debian Installer 6.0 Release Candidate 1 for device support at Debian installation time, ask me about <install testing>.
05:26<seventy-five_>install testing
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05:27<themill>the kernel from lenny-backports should be ok too
05:27<seventy-five_>So what do i do?
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05:28<themill>seventy-five_: are you sure that your wireless card is ar8152? dpkg's description there is for wired network adaptor
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05:29<themill>seventy-five_: can you pastebin the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i net"
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05:30<volta>hi folks, anyone up for a samba question? my non-root user tries to run smbpasswd and gets the following error message: SAMR connection to machine NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED failed. Error was 127.0.0.1, but LANMAN password changed are disabled Failed to change password for test
05:30<seventy-five_>themill:04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4727] (rev 01)
05:30<seventy-five_>05:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications AR8152 v1.1 Fast Ethernet [1969:2060] (rev c1)
05:30<volta>user test had been added with smbpasswd -a test before
05:31<themill>,pciid 14e4:4727
05:31<judd>[14e4:4727] is 'BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'brcm80211' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4727 http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211
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05:32<themill>seventy-five_: see the wiki page that judd just mentioned, and /msg dpkg brcm80211
05:33<seventy-five_>what does /msg dpkg brcm80211 mean?
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05:33<themill>seventy-five_: it's an irc command -- type it in your client and the dpkg bot will give you some information
05:34<seventy-five_>ok thank you
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05:36<seventy-five_>how come it says deb: command not found?
05:37<jm_>because you didn't type it in your IRC client
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05:38<themill>dpkg: tell seventy-five_ about brcm80211
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05:46<volta>any idea about my samba problem?
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05:50<seventy-five_>I'm having trouble following the wiki <http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211>, the deb command isn't working.
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05:54<gsimmons>seventy-five_: If you're referring to step 1 (for Squeeze), that isn't a command, it's an example sources.list ; /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list
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05:58<seventy-five_>gsimmons: I read the dpkg but I still don't understand what to do.
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06:03<gsimmons>seventy-five_: You need to adjust the contents of your system's /etc/apt/sources.list file, to enable the acquistion of non-DFSG-compatible software (firmware-brcm80211 in your case). If you have the default desktop environment (GNOME) installed, you can use 'System > Administration > Software Sources' to make this adjustment using a GUI.
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06:04<volta>ok, problem solved: 'unix password sync' should be no in smb.conf
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06:12<seventy-five_>gsimmons: nothing happens at step three. Is that ok?
06:12<seventy-five_>gsimmons: nvm works
06:13<seventy-five_>Thanks a lot though.
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06:15<erez>Hello, I can't connect via wireless to a WPA network, but no problem with WEP and not-secured networks, any ideas how to solve this?
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06:18<gsimmons>erez: Your wireless LAN device driver may not be WPA-capable. Which device are you using?
06:18<erez>gsimmons: You mean the router?
06:19<gsimmons>erez: No, the wireless client device connected to your system.
06:19<erez>Ah
06:19<erez>Just for mentioning, I used to connect with that machine to the same network
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06:24<erez>gsimmons: it's an Atheros AR5001
06:24<child_>i configured samba with pdc .. but when i add windows machine on domain, return user not found... but i would create user .. and try too with root passwd that not work... what could it be?
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06:29<gsimmons>erez: That should be fine with ath5k. Short of a mistyped pre-shared key or invalid client certificate, you may want to use wpa_supplicant independently (instead of via NetworkManager et al) with its debug/verbosity options, to determine the cause of your issue ; /msg dpkg WPA
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06:54<minishooter>Hi, I need help to use vga_switcheroo, with the kernel from the experimental repository, It didn't works, so I have built my kernel to use this tools, but I have the same problem : the folder /sys/kernel/debug/vga_switcheroo doesn't exist, so I can't use this tool. Have someone an idea ? (sorry for my bad english...)
06:54<jm_>it's probably not configured for it
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06:56<minishooter>The kernel ?
06:56<jm_>yes
06:57<jm_>also make sure debugfs is mounted
06:58<minishooter>I build my own kernel with this tuto : http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Vga_switcheroo so I think it's configured
06:58<jm_>well trivial to verify then
06:58<minishooter>none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
06:58<minishooter>So it's good.
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07:07<minishooter>If I can't use vga_switcheroo, is there another solution to disable the ATI GPU ?
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07:10<jm_>you can blacklist the driver
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07:16<minishooter>It's done (for radeon and fglrx), but the GPU will turn off ? (I would like to conserve my battery)
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07:17<babilen>minishooter: You might be able to force that in your BIOS. Have a look.
07:17<jm_>good question, I'm affraid I can't answer it
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07:18<minishooter>babilen: In my BIOS, I can disable only the Intel chipset, but I would like to disable the ATI GPU.
07:20<minishooter>I'm going to search to turn off this GPU from Linux, I hope it's possible !
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07:23<babilen>minishooter: Ah, ok. I somehow (foolishly?) assumed that you wanted to turn of the intel chip. What are the BIOS options you have?
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07:24<babilen>minishooter: Are both chips integrated? (I.e. not possible to remove physically)
07:25<babilen>minishooter: Some jumpers maybe? (Ok, that might be method of a long forgotten age, but who knows?)
07:26<jm_>I noticed that switcheroo will say "vga_switcheroo: enabled" (dmesg output)
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07:26<jm_>that is when the drivers calls to it, i.e. radeon/i915 ...
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07:28<minishooter>babilen: I think it's a thing like "enable switching" or "enable only the GPU" (I don't remember exactly). And I don't want to disable it physically because I use it on Windows. And I don't understand your last sentence (sorry...)
07:29<minishooter>jm_: the command " dmesg | grep switcheroo " returns nothing !
07:29<babilen>minishooter: As I said, a technique of a long forgotten age. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumper_(computing)) But if you don't want to disable it physically it wouldn't be an option anyway.
07:29<jm_>minishooter: go verify your kernel config, also make sure you are booting your custom compiled kernel
07:31<minishooter>babilen: Thanks for the tips, but I would like to use the ATI GPU in Windows.
07:31<minishooter>jm_: the command "grep -i switcheroo /boot/config-2.6.37-20110117" (this is my costum kernel) returns "CONFIG_VGA_SWITCHEROO=y"
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07:32<minishooter>And "uname -r" returns the good kernel too.
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07:32<minishooter>So I don't understand...
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07:33<jm_>minishooter: maybe this only works on laptops that actually support hybrid graphics - isn't some sort of chipset support required for it?
07:35<minishooter>I don't know, but my brother has the same laptop in Ubuntu, and It's works good with the kernel 2.6.35
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07:36<minishooter>Maybe I should not blacklist the Radeon driver ?
07:36<minishooter>I think I have never test without blacklist it !
07:38<minishooter>I'm going to test, and I come back, thanks for you help ! :)
07:38<jm_>I don't know, all I know is that without seeing "vga_switcheroo: enabled" it won't work
07:39<minishooter>Yes, so I'll look dmesg !
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07:52<peej>how do you have the lan nameserver (dhcp or whatever) know your lenny box's hostname?
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07:53<peej>so if you ping from another machine on the lan, say: ping lennybox, you get a response giving you the ip address?
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07:53<peej>I thought it'd be something in resolv.conf?
07:54<bma>You can add it to /etc/hosts but you'd have to do it on every machine.
07:54<jm_>it can be queried from any method defined in nsswitch.conf
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08:09<minishooter>jm_: I come back, just to say that the problem was that radeon and fglrx was blacklisted. When I load the module radeon (the free driver so), I can use vga_switcheroo without problem ! :) Thank for you help !
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08:11<jm_>minishooter: good
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08:17<god> g++: Depends: g++-4.3 (>= 4.3.2-1) but it is not going to be installed
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08:18<gcck> g++: Depends: g++-4.3 (>= 4.3.2-1) but it is not going to be installed
08:18<gcck>i cannot install anything, any fixes?
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08:21<gcck> g++: Depends: g++-4.3 (>= 4.3.2-1) but it is not going to be installed
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08:23<archieleach>The 1st login fails on any tty @console everytime I connect to my Debian (lenny, 5.0.7) system.
08:24<archieleach>Anyone an idea to fix it?
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08:26<gcck>no
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08:40<Khaatio>me from japan
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08:40<Khaatio>nece too meat you
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08:41<Khaatio>i can japanese and korean and a ilttle chinese
08:41<Khaatio>i can not english
08:42<Khaatio>i love debian
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08:45<maf> g++: Depends: g++-4.3 (>= 4.3.2-1) but it is not going to be installed
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08:47<Khaatio>try aptitude upgrade
08:47<maf>ok
08:47<maf>and -f
08:47<maf>nothing
08:48<maf>cahttp://pastie.org/1469820
08:48<Khaatio>$B:#$H$^$C$F$kB^CS$N%[%F%k$OCHK<$ND4@a$,$G$-$J$$(B
08:48<Khaatio>$B>/$7=k$$(B
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08:51<babilen>!jp
08:51<dpkg>methinks jp is Japan
08:53<maf>wat
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08:53<equipo13-07>OLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
08:53<Ganneff>!es
08:53<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
08:54<equipo13-07>olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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08:56<maf>http://pastie.org/1469820
08:57<babilen>!bat
08:57<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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08:58<themill>maf: I'll take a stab that you need to run "apt-get update".
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09:04<maf>nope
09:04<maf>it does its thing but doesn't allow installs
09:05<maf>nothing works
09:05<maf>to fix it
09:05<babilen>Show us and use some interpunctation instead of newlines (i.e. use , . ; --- - instead of enter)
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09:06<maf>Sorry, i am running late. i just changed sleep schedules been 18 or so hours no sleep.
09:07<maf>Notice my i'? I do apologize!
09:08<maf>I suspect you need more info, I am here.
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09:09<babilen>No need for an apology. It just makes it much easier to follow what you are saying. If you want to work on it now you should provide us with as much information as possible. (See dpkg's remark above). I would recommend getting some sleep though.
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09:09<msferoz85>hello debian community
09:09<babilen>welcome
09:10<msferoz85>thanks
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09:11<msferoz85>ok .. 1st thing ... i cant get the add/remove application things to start
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09:11<maf>It is different each time, for example g++
09:11<themill>maf: could you please pastebin the output of "apt-get update; aptitude install g++; apt-cache policy g++ g++-4.3 libc6 dpkg; apt-cache policy" for us?
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09:13<msferoz85>last line ... Reading package lists... Done
09:13<maf>apt-get update; runs as usual, aptitude returns the error stated above
09:13<themill>maf: it would be helpful if you could stick the entire output in a pastebin for me
09:13<maf>Slow your pace, i have gone 19 hours no sleep as i said.
09:14<maf>If a command runs normally, no need.
09:14<maf>http://pastie.org/1469882
09:16<maf>http://pastie.org/1469892
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09:17<maf>apt-get update runs like god intended
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09:18<maf>and aptitude
09:18<amitz>but god wants you to run apt-get safe-upgrade first.
09:19<kvikende>hello. i'm running debian squeeze and my numpad keys don't work with numlock enabled. how do i troubleshoot this?
09:19<themill>maf: you don't have an entry for security.debian.org in your sources.list now, but you evidently did some time in the past. What else have you been adding and removing from your sources.list?
09:19<maf>amitz: common sense.
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09:19<themill>maf: and I'd quite like to see the full output of "aptitude install g++" in a pastebin.
09:19<maf>Really, how did i miss that.
09:19<maf>themill: old news, i fixed it
09:21<kvikende>oh,
09:22<kvikende>i figured it out. somehow the "mouse keys" were enabled. i disabled them and now they work. :)
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09:23<maf> libc6: Depends: libc-bin (= 2.11.2-7) but it is not installable
09:23<themill>maf: you don't have an entry for security.debian.org in your sources.list now, but you evidently did some time in the past. What else have you been adding and removing from your sources.list?
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09:24<maf>Probally what is in there.
09:24<themill>maf: no, not at all. That's why I'm asking.
09:25<themill>squeeze? sid? something else again?
09:25<babilen>msferoz85: What are you trying to do and what is the error? Please provide the command you executed and its output on http://paste.debian.net too
09:25<maf> libc6: Depends: libc-bin (= 2.11.2-7) but it is not installable
09:25<maf>If it were for a specific command, i'd have said.
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09:26<msferoz85>i click the Add/Remove Application link in the menu .. it says starting and then disappears.. if i run thru terminal it says this:
09:27<babilen>msferoz85: http://paste.debian.net ! (Do *not* paste in here)
09:28<msferoz85>argh, great .. my Epiphany also seems to be showing signs of disconnectivity
09:28<themill>maf: you've been fiddling around with your sources.list and have a very unhappy system. You're also being very uncooperative in providing information for people. It's very hard for us to help you if you don't help us.
09:29<maf>themill: I never had it, i never did
09:29<maf>looking at my file history, it has only changed by adding the multimedia repo
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09:30<themill>maf: you have libc6 from squeeze or sid though.
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09:31<themill>!not available
09:31<dpkg>To get a list of packages that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
09:31<themill>maf: ^^ perhaps we can see how many other packages are in this state. Also the output of: aptitude search '~b'
09:32<maf>alot
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09:35<maf>http://pastie.org/1469926
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09:35<DaNYa>Ç¡ÃôÔô Ç¡ÃôÔô
09:36<maf>I didn't need sudo to cat, but i was using vim
09:36<babilen>maf: Could you also run the following script and paste its output: http://paste.debian.net/104861/
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09:37<babilen>maf: You also have a false space in line 11 of your sources list. It should read "lenny/updates" not "lenny /updates"
09:37<maf>Nothing is the output.
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09:38<user>hi
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09:38<babilen>maf: Ah, right. Yes, source it ". ./the_thing_i_pasted" and run "show_release_count"
09:38<maf>i caught on when i actually read it
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09:38<babilen>(as root)
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09:40<babilen>ah, no. it is not necessary to run it as root ... but it'll work regardless
09:41<maf>LOL
09:41<maf>I read it you know
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09:42<maf>Hey
09:43<maf>babilen: not root, and it is not "show_release_count" :p
09:43<maf>I changed it to cnt anyway
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09:44<maf>Also, there are only lenny packages
09:44<babilen>maf: Forget that. The script assumes that you still have all repositories listed by "apt-cache policy" as you removed all repositories from which you installed those packages from your sources.list and updated it will no longer show the others.
09:44<maf>But if you took the time to make a second backup :)
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09:45<maf>cp /etc/apt.sources.list.jan17x2
09:46<babilen>ERROR: Missing argument
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09:47<maf>I expected you to finish that command.
09:47<maf>Wanna see my error ?
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09:48<babilen>Sure, also the output of: "dpkg -l libc6 apt dpkg" might be interesting.
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09:49<babilen>add "base-files" after "libc6 apt dpkg" as well ..
09:50<maf>ii libc6 2.11.2-7 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries
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09:50<maf>error: libc6: Depends: libc-bin (= 2.11.2-7) but it is not installable
09:50<maf>ooh lookie
09:51<babilen>Run: "dpkg -l libc6 apt dpkg base-files" and paste its output to http://paste.debian.net
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09:51<maf>http://pastie.org/1469965
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09:51<themill>maf: it would be helpful if you'd actually run commands that you are asked to run and provide the output that you are asked to provide
09:51<maf>hahaha
09:52<maf>I am slow, calm down.
09:52<maf>themill: look at the line above my last
09:52<maf>I am, in my spare time
09:53<themill>you're asking people to help you... cooperation in this process is required. 20 minutes ago I asked for a fairly key piece of information...
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09:53<maf>themill: What? How do you know i have not already?
09:53<themill>maf: please also include the *entire* output and the command that produced it in the pastebin so that there is context.
09:54<maf>themill: If i do say so myself, calm down
09:54<maf>themill: Brother, don't lose it
09:54<themill>*sigh*
09:54<babilen>maf: "aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'" and "aptitude search '~b'" and "dpkg -l libc6 apt dpkg base-files" -> http://paste.debian.net
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09:55<maf>themill: ALL of these commands seem to be up-to-date according to lenny
09:55<maf>*packages
09:55<babilen>maf: Show us the output and the exact commands you entered *please*
09:56<maf>It returns the help menu :)
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09:56<maf>So I replaced some things
09:57<babilen>Could you *please* show us? Just paste the commands and their output to a pastebin.
09:57<maf>No, i will alter said command and than paste it.
09:57<maf>aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' & aptitude search '~b'" and "dpkg -l libc6 apt dpkg base-file
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09:58<themill>base-files not base-file.
09:58<KopjeKoffie>hello
09:59<maf>http://pastie.org/1469986
09:59<maf>Really?
09:59<maf>Oh crap
09:59<maf>If i got it wrong, it would tell me.
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10:00<themill>maf: you're "replacement" for & was completely crazy... but whatever.
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10:00<maf>themill: I'm crazy, and dillusional
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10:02<themill>and somehow in your improvements, you didn't manage to run the aptitude search to find unavailable packages.
10:05<maf>lol
10:05<maf>no i didnt paste
10:05<maf>im going to smoke a bowl
10:05<maf>brb
10:05<maf>themill: i am not sleeping
10:05<maf>it has been 22 hours
10:06<KopjeKoffie>hello, I have maybe found a bug in the dependencies of "virt-manager" in squeeze
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10:06<themill>maf: perhaps it would be better for all of us if you went off and got some sleep and then came back when you're able to work on this effectively.
10:07<babilen>KopjeKoffie: yes?
10:07<KopjeKoffie>I just selected virt-manager in synaptic, in install the package (inc. dependencies)
10:08<KopjeKoffie>after it, i starded virtual machine manager in de aplication menu
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10:08<KopjeKoffie>now, i can connect to qemu://system
10:09<maf>OK
10:09<maf>So the command!
10:09<maf>themill: not going to happen for the next 12 days
10:10<maf>uberman sleep schedule.
10:10<KopjeKoffie>but when i try to connect to my server (just another PC), add an connection to my, like qemu+ssh://192.168.2.2/system
10:10<maf>themill: now we can work?
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10:11<maf>http://pastie.org/1470027
10:11<maf>See, my command does work!
10:11<cmot>Yodel!
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10:12<cmot>I'm blocking spam runs on my mail server with fail2ban (to limit the number of "reject" in the mail log and lower the mail server load a bit.)
10:12<babilen>maf: That paste was incomplete and you did not paste the actual commands. Please run each command seperately and not conditionally and paste *everything*.
10:13<cmot>how can I force the connections to close imeediately?
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10:13<KopjeKoffie>that didn't work, because virt-manager didn't install "ssh-askpass-gnome"
10:13<maf>I saw that i think
10:13<cmot>as it is, all traffic is blocked by fail2ban and so the smtp connections stays open and runs into a time out, hogging an smtp process
10:13<babilen>KopjeKoffie: ssh-askpass is in virt-managers Suggests
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10:16<KopjeKoffie>babilen:thanks, Synaptic in Debian didn't install the syggests automatic
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10:17<babilen>KopjeKoffie: They are typically not installed automatically, but still suggested as some users might want the functionality provided by those packages.
10:17<peej>How does a standard lenny give its hostname to a home adsl router that uses dhcp? The other machines on the lan need to query the router and know the hostname of the lenny box - is my understanding of how it works wrong?
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10:17<KopjeKoffie>i just installed Debian today, (and remove Ubuntu), that's the difference :P
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10:18<KopjeKoffie>Ubuntu installed everything, inclusive all the nonsense packages
10:19<maf>http://pastie.org/1470058
10:19<maf>No sleep for anyone
10:20<maf>I used the sleep command so no one has to.
10:20<themill>peej: look at the "send host-name" directive in dhclient.conf
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10:20<maf>It is a cruddy command, but i seriously don't care.
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10:21<maf>And it gives the same output as single commands
10:21<KopjeKoffie>babilen: now it is just all clear, thanks !
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10:21<Polipo69>ao a tutti
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10:21<themill>maf: you really do like making life difficult, don't you? Perhaps you should learn about the meaning of ; to the shell.
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10:22<maf>themill: The lack of use doesn't mean the lack of knowledge.
10:22<maf>man bash
10:22<themill>right...
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10:22<maf>You can man-page anything, i do like sleep commands, and i do like bg processes
10:23<themill>maf: as expected, you have a fairly nasty mixture of lenny and squeeze. You can downgrade it to lenny with a bit of work or upgrade it to squeeze with a bit of work. Reinstalling lenny would be easier.
10:23<maf>you mean testing?
10:23<peej>themill, thanks. That's very neat.
10:23<themill>peej: no worries
10:23<maf>Or the new release?
10:24<themill>maf: Whether you decide to upgrade to squeeze or downgrade to lenny, fixing your broken libc6 is something that apt probably can't do for you, you'll need to manually unpack the .debs for that.
10:24<themill>maf: lenny is current stable, squeeze will be stable in a few weeksish.
10:24<maf>No prob.
10:24<gerard>whois gerard
10:24<maf>I don't need stable.
10:24<maf>Not a production server, and in 12 days i'm good to code.
10:25<themill>maf: given the mess you've made here, you might do better to stick with stable until you know a bit more about what you're doing with a debian system.
10:25<maf>HEY now!
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10:26<maf>A stoned programmer, with sleep deprivation and a large sense of art does not follow you.
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10:26<maf>I used & because if i didn't, i would have had to make a new tab/window to continue vim.
10:26<maf>Not really, but
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10:27<maf>Tell me this, is it more fun to create a text file. Or read some lame command from the shell?
10:28<maf>Also is it not cool to use sleep 10?
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10:28<maf>There are more than 12 ways to skin a cat.
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10:29<themill>maf: I presume you're familiar with the "useless use of cat" award. I think we need a new category for that effort from you.
10:29<maf>I also use nano :)
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10:29<maf>s/themill/loser/g'
10:29<maf>uh oh, look a loose '
10:30<maf>I'm a noob now
10:30<themill>maf: you've had your fun... now go and sleep for all our sakes.
10:30<maf>Not for 12 days i said :)
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10:33<maf>themill: :%s/lenny/squeeze/g
10:33<maf>Is this correct?
10:33<fiqria>hey ppl i have added user to my computer as its in this manual http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/2
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10:33<maf>VIM
10:33<fiqria>but i have a problem with sound on this user
10:34<maf>Other accounts have sound?
10:34<maf>Does he have permissions?
10:34<fiqria>maf, yes
10:34<fiqria>No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.
10:34<fiqria>this is the error
10:34<maf>themill: Same error.
10:35<fiqria>maf, permissions for using Gstreamer ?
10:35<maf>fiqria: Sound i think.
10:35<fiqria>maf, what to chmod ?
10:35<maf>It is like christmas!
10:36<dominick>fiqria, is the user a member of audio group?
10:36<babilen>maf: Please stop it. Get some sleep or do something that is enjoyable while being stoned.
10:36<fiqria>dominick, no
10:36<dominick>then add it.
10:36<babilen>!desktop groups
10:36<dpkg>The standard groups in Debian that a desktop user would normally be in are: dialout (modem/serial usage), cdrom (CD/DVD), floppy, audio, video (video devices), plugdev (USB disks), netdev (network configuration through hal/networkmanager/wicd), powerdev (power scheme management). Ask me about <group> and <groups>.
10:36<fiqria>what is a sound group ?
10:36<maf>what i said :p
10:37<dominick>fiqria, try the alsa checklist...
10:37<dominick>!alsa checklist
10:37<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
10:37<maf>babilen: No.
10:37<babilen>fiqria: You might want to add the user to some of the groups mentioned by dpkg as well. You might want to configure the set of standard groups in /etc/adduser.conf (#EXTRA_GROUPS)
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10:38<satish>hi dominick
10:38<fiqria>dominick, i looked at /etc/groups and everything is clear
10:38<fiqria>now
10:38<fiqria>:))
10:39<maf>http://pastie.org/1470130
10:39<satish>hello??
10:39<dominick>hi satish!
10:39<satish>oh great finally...
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10:39<maf>Lol
10:39<dominick>fiqria, do you mean your /etc/group is empty?
10:40<satish>my text shows up in grey so thought it was not workin
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10:40<dominick>this text show in red doesn't it satish?
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10:40<satish>yes it does!!!
10:40<maf>lol
10:40<dominick>:P
10:40<maf>You mean text-inputs
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10:40<dominick>satish, I was looking up asterisk today.
10:40<satish>y the :P???
10:41<satish>k n wat did u finfd...
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10:41<satish>find*
10:41<maf>babilen: http://pastie.org/1470130
10:41<fiqria>dominick, nope :) i meant that now i understand what a problem is :)
10:41<msferoz85>hi all .. sorry for the dc
10:41<dominick>well, when i said voice browser, it doesn't mean it runs on the client. It rather means that it runs on VoIP clients, which can themselves be VoIP phone instruments.
10:41<babilen>msferoz85: No problem. I was a bit surprised, but meh ;)
10:41<dominick>not workstation.
10:42<dominick>fiqria, what is it?
10:42<maf>themill: http://pastie.org/1470130
10:42<satish>k.. but the instruments themselves need to contact some sort of server machine...
10:42<satish>otherwise who ll process their vxml pages??
10:42<fiqria>i did not knew that to work ala properly user must be in a alsa's group :)
10:42<dominick>no. They have ethernet sockets. You just plug your lan wire. :D
10:43<satish>the browser has to b present in sum machine...
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10:43<msferoz85>babilen http://paste.debian.net/104871
10:43<babilen>msferoz85: What caused that error?
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10:44<msferoz85>usr/bin/gnome-app-install
10:44<satish>and wat number wud u call to get the service??
10:44<msferoz85>babilen usr/bin/gnome-app-install
10:44<dominick>satish, the browser is present in the server. When you connect the VoIP instrument to LAN, it aquires an IP address, which identifies it over the network. Then you can dial to the server, which can be preassigned a number, from that phone.
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10:44<dominick>because this phone is assigned an Ip address, it is called Voice over IP.
10:45<satish>oh ok :)
10:45<dominick>and PSTN cards start at Rs. 1800.
10:46<maf>I spaced what i need to do completely.
10:46<satish>k...
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10:46<satish>so wat are we lookin at now, a telephone ticketin system...?
10:46<fiqria>dominick, i have added my user to audio group than restart alsa-utils but
10:46<dominick>we are not starting a company, so a basic hardware will be sufficient
10:46<fiqria>i have got the same error :((
10:47<satish>k...
10:47<dominick>fiqria, is sound working with other users?
10:47<babilen>msferoz85: Ah, ok. You are probably missing "python-dbus" (which is a dependency of gnome-app-install). Note that gnome-app-install is obsolete. If you are looking for a GUI to install/remove software you might want to look into synaptics.
10:47<fiqria>yes
10:47<fiqria>does it need to
10:47<fiqria>be restarted
10:47<fiqria>the whole system ?
10:47<dominick>you need to relogin after you add yourself to a group.
10:48<fiqria>ok
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10:48<satish>so where do we start??
10:49-!-fiqria [~fiqria@93.186.220.243] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:49<satish>and wat do we use for the server??
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10:49<msferoz85>babilen synaptic looks a bit complicated to me. if gnome-app-install is obsolete, what is the alternative GUI equivalent of ubuntu's software center? apparently assume gnome-app-install is the thing that is in the menu as "Add/Remove Applications", no?
10:49<babilen>msferoz85: But a lot of people prefer to work on the command line with aptitude, apt-get or wajig. You might want to look into that as well. But to solve your problem: Run "aptitude reinstall gnome-app-install" and show me the output of "aptitude show python-dbus" and "apt-cache policy python-dbus gnome-app-install"
10:49<babilen>,versions software-center
10:49<dominick>we can start right away, as configuration is the only task. I can even do it overnight, and this channel and #asterisk on irc.freenode.net will help you if you want to configure.
10:49<judd>Package software-center on i386 -- sid: 2.0.7debian7; squeeze: 2.0.7debian7; experimental: 2.1.7debian1
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10:50<fiqria>i have the same error :((
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10:50<babilen>msferoz85: The "software-center" is not available in Lenny. If this is your personal machine, you might want to consider upgrading to Squeeze.
10:50<fiqria>i will pastebin /etc/groups
10:50<ladoga>msferoz85: ubuntu uses synaptic too
10:50<satish>oh thats cool...
10:50<dominick>fiqria, are you presently chatting from the user you have created?
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10:50<satish>wat abt a VoIP phone??
10:50<babilen>msferoz85: But it looks as if your gnome-app-install installation is somehow broken.
10:50<dominick>fiqria, you might want to try "alsactl init".
10:51<fiqria>dominick, no
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10:51<dominick>satish, you can start testing with ekiga.
10:51<maf>Fixed
10:52<babilen>msferoz85: Apart from that, I would still recommend to use either "aptitude", "wajig" on the command line or "synaptics" as GUI (Squeeze also has "aptitude-gtk" which is a gtk frontend to aptitude)
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10:52<nichos>hi all, im having problems with alsa. I'm unable to turn up my PCM volume
10:52<fiqria>here is my /etc/group file http://pastebin.com/ghkr9kRZ
10:52<fiqria>the user classical does not have any problems
10:53<dominick>satish, do you have a version of linux installed on your machine?
10:54<babilen>msferoz85: Sorry if I overwhelm you a little right now, but if you consider using Squeeeze you can upgrade your running system as detailed in the release notes http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes
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10:54<maf>lol
10:54<maf>it is removing everything
10:54<maf>I hope it replaces it
10:55<msferoz85>babelin python dbus otput http://paste.debian.net/104872
10:55<maf>If not, oh well.
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10:55<dominick>fiqria, is classical the other user for which sound is working?
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10:55<babilen>msferoz85: If you have just recently installed your Debian system you can also reinstall it using images from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and by following the installation guide at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual
10:55<nichos>and i have no IEC958 Output showing up in alsamixer
10:56<msferoz85>babelin .. no i really like using apt-get .. it's quick and convenient .. but the thing is i think i still need the GUI support as i am rather new to linux
10:56<fiqria>dominick, yes
10:56<fiqria>i create user with useradd command
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10:56<dominick>!VoIP client
10:56<ladoga>nichos: PCM is not muted?
10:57<babilen>msferoz85: I need the output of the other commands as well. You *definitely* want to install python-dbus, but I wonder why it hasn't been installed automatically as it is a dependency of gnome-app-install. I will, however, be away for some time, but other people in this channel will probably be able to help you as well.
10:57<fiqria>thats why i had to add home directory and other stuff manually
10:57<fiqria>now i will try with useradd
10:57<nichos>ladoga, i can mute and unmute, but can't turn the volume up
10:57<fiqria>see what will be
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10:57<babilen>msferoz85: I understand that. synaptics is probably the tool you want to use in that case.
10:57<maf> it is like an rm -rf /
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10:57<ladoga>nichos: does it identify card and chip?
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10:57<dominick>Hi! Can anyone suggest a VoIP client for me? I know about ekiga, but is there anything else I might like?
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10:58<msferoz85>babelin it was installed apparently, as the gnome-app-install was working fine until recently .. it just happened i dont know how .. lol
10:58<satish>i ll just find some info abt ekiga online.. :)
10:58<nichos>ladoga, it says up top HDA ATI SB, VIA VT1708S
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10:58<dominick>satish, which linux do you have?
10:58<dominick>!ekiga
10:58<dpkg>Ekiga (formerly GnomeMeeting) is a H323 and SIP compatible VoIP client, that supports video chat and is mostly compatible with the proprietary program NetMeeting. http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/FAQ http://www.ekiga.org/ #ekiga on irc.gnome.org.
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10:59<nichos>perhaps it's using the analog
10:59<msferoz85>babelin can i search for software with apt-get / synaptic thru keywords instead of package name?
11:00<dominick>satish, there?
11:00<mjr>dominick, I'll mention Twinklephone for its support for ZRTP encryption. Only SIP, and only voice in that, though.
11:02<dominick>mjr, SIP will be enough for me..
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11:04<ladoga>nichos: have you checked /etc/group to make sure your user is in the audio group?
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11:05<babilen>msferoz85: First, try "bab<TAB>" in your IRC client. That provides nickname completion. Second: Sure you can search using aptitude. Do "aptitude search PATTERN" (e.g. aptitude search app-install). I would recommend to read the Debian Reference.
11:05<fiqria>i have created new user called "test" with adduser but sound still does not working
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11:07<ladoga>nichos: or if you think it's alsamixer related try muting/turning off everything other than master and pcm
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11:08<fiqria>how can a add user to be able to use sound properly ?
11:08<satish>hi dominick...
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11:09<dominick>hi satish. dpkg can tell you about ekiga.
11:09<dominick>!ekiga
11:09<dpkg>Ekiga (formerly GnomeMeeting) is a H.323 and SIP compatible VoIP client, that supports video chat and is mostly compatible with the proprietary program NetMeeting. http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/FAQ http://www.ekiga.org/ #ekiga on irc.gnome.org.
11:09<satish>k thats good...
11:09<dominick>!twinkle
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11:10<satish>k dpkg!!!
11:10<babilen>fiqria: use "adduser USERNAME GROUP" (for example "adduser fiqria sound") -- You probably want to add the user to some other groups as well. -- /msg dpkg desktop groups -- another thing you should consider is modifying the default groups for new user by editing /etc/adduser.conf EXTRA_GROUPS (uncomment that)
11:10<satish>so we can use this client instead of a VoIP phone???
11:10<dominick>!say no problem
11:10<dpkg>no problem
11:11<dominick>satish, yes.
11:11<dominick>we may eventually buy a VoIP phone for your demo
11:11<satish>fine wat about the VXML browser??/
11:11<satish>oh cool :)
11:11<ladoga>fiqria: i think that being in audio group should be enough.. what you had in pastebin confirmed you have that allright
11:12<dominick>I haven't got too deep, but Asterisk can be configured to use VXML.
11:12<babilen>fiqria: You also have to logout and login in order to "activate" the new groups. (There is a way to activate them, but logout and login is probably easier and less error-prone)
11:12<fiqria>okay i will try
11:12<fiqria>now
11:13<satish>k ekiga seems really cool...
11:13<babilen>satish: :-)
11:13<satish>so since the client problem is solved if we use ekiga shall we move to the problem of vxml browser
11:13<dominick>satish, also try twinkle, it's a pure SIP phone for VoIP, with no other fancy stuff.
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11:14<satish>babilen: :)
11:14<satish>k lemme check
11:14<dominick>mjr, suggested it, so I'm installing it.
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11:15<babilen>satish: http://www.w3.org/Voice/#imp-vxml
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11:19<satish>bablien: i am not able to get any tutorials from the site...
11:19<satish>babilen: i am not able to get any tutorials from the site...
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11:19<dominick>satish, VXML is easy, its only XML. Our bigger challenge will be configuring the server.
11:19<edbian>Can I use the firefox ppa in Debian squeeze?
11:19<satish>yeah...
11:20<babilen>satish: tutorials? It is a list of voicexml software. (pro tip: try "bab<TAB>" in your IRC client)
11:20<satish>shall we get into more details with asterisk??
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11:20<fiqria>the whole system restart solve the problem
11:20<fiqria>thanks :))
11:20<babilen>edbian: You shouldn't install Ubuntu packages on Debian. What are you trying to do? Why would you want to that?
11:20<dominick>satish, you might see https://www.brainshark.com/brainshark/vu/view.asp?pi=165278225&tx=ray.dominick%40gmail.com for an intro, which will help you write documentation for your project.
11:20<babilen>fiqria: Great!
11:21<edbian>babilen, I am only trying to install firefox4 beta as my browser. I have the pre-compilied binary and I can run it. Should I just make my own shortcut in /usr/bin for it?
11:21<maf>Ok we are almost there
11:21<maf>i took my 9am nap
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11:21<edbian>The package manager insists I have a browser installed (part of gnome) which is fine with me accept that I can't get it to recognize firefox 4 as my browser
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11:22<babilen>edbian: I would install it to /usr/local -- /msg dpkg usrlocal -- /msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage
11:22<satish>ya i checked that already...
11:22<satish>thats how i got to know abt asterisk in some detail..
11:22<dominick>satish, http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+cmd+Vxml
11:22<madaski>sera
11:22<madaski>!list
11:22<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
11:22<child>i cant join on domain (samba + pdc) with windows vista... return user or passwd not found.. someone people have a idea?
11:23<babilen>edbian: You can also remove the "gnome" metapackage, install a lighter meta package like "gnome-core" and "aptitude unmarkauto" additional package you want to keep.
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11:23<edbian>babilen, gnome-core is already installed
11:23<babilen>good
11:24<maf>gnome-core without all those extras
11:24<edbian>thanks for the help
11:24<babilen>np
11:25<dominick>Hi! Can somebody tell me if asterisk can be configured to recognise user voice?
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11:25<satish>i think workin with asterisk for a couple of days will be a good idea...
11:25<satish>oh that wud b great for security...
11:25<babilen>dominick: #asterisk (on irc.freenode.net) probably knows much more about asterisk
11:25<satish>i think i had read abt that feature sumwhere...
11:26<maf>abt = about
11:26<dominick>satish, let's ask at #asterisk on irc.freenode.net.
11:26<satish>okie...
11:27<babilen>satish, dominick: Good luck and may you have it running soon.
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11:27<satish>thanks babilen :)
11:27<satish>i am already on #asterisk
11:28<maf>cool
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11:31<dominick>satish, I can't see you. Mind you, it's on a different server (irc.freenode.net).
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11:31<satish>trying...
11:31<satish>i was wrong i didnt get connected last time...
11:31<babilen>satish: "/connect irc.freenode.net" "/join #asterisk"
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11:32<satish>bear with me..
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11:35<eagles0513875>hey guys any mysql team members in here?
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11:41<babilen>eagles0513875: Why?
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11:41<eagles0513875>babilen: im trying so hard with the upstream team of mysql workbench to get it included as debian is running the EOL mysql admin and query browser
11:41<eagles0513875>i have tried the mailing list and im basically ignored
11:42<eagles0513875>what are the procedures for getting a package into the distro anyway
11:42<babilen>eagles0513875: #debian-mysql fwiw, but the mailing list is probably a better place.
11:42<eagles0513875>babilen: i tried and i get ignored on the mailing list
11:42<babilen>eagles0513875: You own package?
11:42<babilen>*Your
11:42<eagles0513875>no
11:42<eagles0513875>if i package mysql workbench how can i get it included
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11:43<babilen>You could file an RFP and wait for somebody else to package it. If you want your own package included you need a sponsor who is willing to upload your package.
11:43<babilen>!rfp
11:43<dpkg>Request For Package is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>.
11:43<babilen>!rfs
11:43<dpkg>it has been said that rfs is Request For Sponsor, frequently used in the debian-mentors mailing list as a request from would-be Debian maintainers to find someone who will sponsor their package.
11:43<babilen>!nmg
11:43<dpkg>The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper
11:43<babilen>!mentors
11:43<dpkg>i guess mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org.
11:44<eagles0513875>does anyone from mysql team com on irc
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11:46<eagles0513875>i had the lead dev of mysql work bench contact norbert of the mysql team and there was a minor issue with the licensing which was resolved by the lead dev himself
11:47<ansgar>eagles0513875: There is a mysql-workbench-gpl package in Debian's NEW queue already: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/mysql-workbench-gpl_5.2.31a-1.html
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11:47<eagles0513875>ok ansgar are you the maintainer?
11:47<babilen>Maintained by pkg-mysql (probably norbert)
11:47<ansgar>eagles0513875: No.
11:48<eagles0513875>ty ty :)
11:48<eagles0513875>thats the answer i needed
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12:31<asflmf>Hay guy's I'm having rootdelay issues on Ubuntu V10.10
12:32<asflmf>looked online for resolutions but so far nothing seems to have helped
12:32<mwalling>!ubuntu
12:32<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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12:32<asflmf>gotchya
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12:48<Strtrks>Test
12:49<Strtrks>Awesome
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12:50<Strtrks>Think everybody sees my messages
12:51<retrospectacus>Strtrks, confirmed
12:51<cahoot>who are you speaking to retrospectacus ?
12:51<Strtrks>Thanks, its a v630i
12:52<retrospectacus>an invisible Hungarian
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12:53<Strtrks>I came back from windows
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12:54<Strtrks>Im useing lenny
12:54<retrospectacus>running lenny on your v630i cellphone?
12:54<sret>hi
12:54<sret>when i try to use irc with ssl
12:55<sret>i keep getting a negotiation failed
12:55<sret>any ideas? is debian blocking something by default?
12:55<retrospectacus>sret: try to remember, the enter key is not punctuation
12:55<cahoot>maybe you provide too many <enter>?
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12:56<Strtrks>And im trying to find out what can i delete from the installed system, its too big
12:56<sret>if i telnet to the server, it connects and then disconnects saying connection closed by foreign host
12:57<sney>Strtrks: any gui that installed by default can be removed and there's probably a smaller option
12:57<Strtrks>Retro, lol, no
12:58<sret>any ideas on how to accept ssl conenctions in debian?
12:58<sney>sret: debian is not blocking anything by default unless you're using iptables
12:58<sney>sret: more likely it's your router or something silly your ISP decided to do
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12:58<retrospectacus>sret: telnet is not an irc client. Also not all IRC server support SSL.
12:59<sney>that too, although oftc does
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12:59<catsup>sney: so you telnet tothe SSL port and make a connection?
13:00<sret>sney: well my oruter or ISP couldnt be blocking it because, the server works on my windows machines
13:00<sney>catsup: no, I don't encrypt my irc connections.
13:00<catsup>uh what
13:00<sret>i have iptables installed but im not sure debian is using it now, i havent changed it or touched it, it's sitting in the default rules that came with it.
13:00<catsup>oh
13:01<catsup>i meant to point that question to sret
13:01<catsup>sret: so you telnet tothe SSL port and make a connection?
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13:01<sret>catsup: yeah i telneted over to the SSL server and their port and it said connection cloed by foreign host
13:01<catsup>sret: then your connection isn't being blocked at the firewall level
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13:02<sret>right, debian is doing something then
13:02<catsup>unless it's blocking traffic and not connections, which is pretty damn unlikely
13:02<catsup>no
13:02<catsup>it's an issue with your irc client
13:02<catsup>which is what?
13:02<sret>epic
13:02<sret>epic4
13:03<catsup>really?
13:03<catsup>people still use that?
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13:03<sret>its not ancient, yeah some of us do
13:03<catsup>it's based on ircii
13:04<sret>on epic4, all you need to do is /server irc.foobar.net:port::::IRC-SSL
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13:08<catsup>well i duno what the problem is, but i suggest asking someone who knows about epic4
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13:08<sret>ok yah working on it, thanks
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13:08<catsup>maybe try a different client, see if that works. i guess it's possible something on the system level could be broken, but seems unlikely
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13:10<sret>yeah works on irssi
13:10<sret>catsup: so you're right then, a client issue
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13:11<catsup>might as well switch to irssi
13:11<catsup>:p
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13:12<sret>catsup: i have irssi, but always wanted to try epic, so :P
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13:25<sret>hi, how do i find for a particular file like say ssl.h, locate doesnt find it, or is anyone aware of such a header file for ssl that comes with openssl in lenny?
13:26<Cyrus>find / -name "ssl.h"
13:26<retrospectacus>dpkg -L openssl
13:26<dpkg>ii openssl 2.5-4 retrospectacus's private porn collection
13:26<sney>lol
13:26<retrospectacus>hmm
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13:27<retrospectacus>sret: dpkg -L openssl will tell you the files that package has created on your system
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13:28<retrospectacus>none of them are .h though
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13:29<sret>yeah i dont see a .h in there
13:29<themill>,file *ssl/ssl.h
13:29<judd>*ssl/ssl.h in lenny/i386: libssl-dev: usr/include/openssl/ssl.h; libxyssl-dev: usr/include/xyssl/ssl.h; gsoap: usr/share/doc/gsoap/examples/ssl/ssl.h
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13:32<localhost>how can i test a speed for a debian mirror from my country ?
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13:32<themill>!apt-spy
13:32<dpkg>a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using.
13:33<sret>i dont even have openssl in /usr/include/
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13:34<localhost>themill, great
13:34<retrospectacus>sret, install libssl-dev
13:34<localhost>one last thing how you to use the dpkg boot thing :P
13:35<sret>retrospectacus: going to
13:35<retrospectacus>!dpkg bot
13:35<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
13:35<retrospectacus>!dpkgbot
13:35<dpkg>Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>.
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13:38<localhost>can i stop the upgrading process ?
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13:43<prozac>hi! i cant start software-properties-gtk. when i try. i get this message: http://paste.debian.net/104887/ does anybody have an idea why this happens?
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13:44<retrospectacus>localhost, yes.
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13:46<retrospectacus>not always a great idea but you can
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13:49<chealer>prozac: which Debian suite do you use?
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13:50<prozac>lenny. i have some testing packages installed too. but i had this problem before too.
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13:54<chealer>prozac: did you check the BTS?
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13:59<prozac>what does BTS mean?
13:59<retrospectacus>!bts
13:59<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS
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14:03<themill>prozac: installing python2.6 on lenny is a completely unsupported thing to do. In fact, it's known to cause lots of problems.
14:04<sret>what's the equivalent of ncurses-dev in debian?
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14:05<betaus>hi
14:05<themill>sret: "apt-cache search ncurses dev". The apt-file utility might also be helpful to you here; /msg dpkg apt-file.
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14:06<betaus>can someone tell me why there are 8 DVDs for debian squeeze amd64?
14:06<amphi>how many would you like there to be?
14:06<retrospectacus>because debian is awesome
14:06<sret>thakns
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14:07<themill>!dstats testing
14:07<betaus>ok, i reformulte the question
14:07<dpkg>Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 22936 packages, 1934 maintainers, 58753 MB installed size, 20596 MB compressed size.
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14:07<sret>is libcunit1-ncurses-dev ncurses-dev pkg?
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14:07<amphi>betaus: there is a large number of packages
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14:08<betaus>if i would use debian just with kde and gnome
14:08<themill>sret: "libncurses5-dev" sounds somewhat more likely
14:08<amphi>sret: libncurses5-dev (in testing)
14:08<betaus>do i must download 8 dvds?
14:08<sret>thanks:P
14:08<sret>oh it's in testing? what's the stable one?
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14:08<bartm>betaus, no
14:08<amphi>betaus: why not use the netinstall iso?
14:08<dvs>betaus: not if you have an internet connection
14:08<venom00ut>where is the tlmgr (TeX Live package manager) in Debian?
14:09<venom00ut>I read somewhere you do not intend to distribute it because of some incompatibilities
14:09<betaus>no
14:09<themill>sret: same. check for yourself.
14:09<betaus>in my house there is just a 56k internet connection
14:09<sret>ok
14:09<betaus>so i must download debiam from my uni
14:10<amphi>you can still do a netinstall, if you are patient
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14:10<amphi>gnome *&* kde seems a little excessive though
14:10<dvs>betaus: you can download the first DVD to save some time.
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14:12<themill>venom00ut: having more than one package manager on the system is going to lead to trouble.... You can stick things in your own $HOME/texmf without confusing the situation horribly though.
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14:12<sret>why is it after having installed libcurses5-dev i dont see it in my pkg manager installed section?
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14:12<venom00ut>themill, they have totally different purposes, however I had to install 1 GB of full tex live
14:12<venom00ut>otherwise I would have had to find and install all the missing packages manually
14:13<venom00ut>pretty annoying
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14:13<betaus>thanks
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14:13<themill>venom00ut: eh? Hardly. It normally takes me a couple of minutes on a new machine. Learn to use apt-file. (/msg dpkg apt-file)
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14:13<betaus>bye
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14:14<shadowblade>So I'm having some problems booting. In short, I need to know everywhere that the initrd image looks to do it's mount of the root filesystem
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14:15<venom00ut>themill, you mean there's a debian package for each latex package?
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14:15<venom00ut>I tought they were grouped in a single big package
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14:16<themill>venom00ut: they're in a number of packages with the most common ones being grouped together and documentation and fonts split off.
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14:16<themill>(similarly with fonts)
14:17<retrospectacus>shadowblade, the root= parameter isn't it?
14:17<venom00ut>I'll take a look, however having an independent package manager wouldn't be a bad idea IMHO
14:17<venom00ut>themill, thanks
14:18<shadowblade>retrospectacus: yes, but it's ext4 and i'm getting the "ext3-fs couldnt mount because of..." error
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14:20<sret>is it ok to have the source dir in the desktop?>?
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14:20<sret>if i were to do a make on a source thats located in the desktop its going to error out because its in the desktop?
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14:23<retrospectacus>sret, no
14:23<sret>ok
14:23<retrospectacus>shadowblade, dunno about that
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14:49<shadowblade>How do I specifcy the type of the root filesystem to initrd? It's causing boot to fail as it thinks root is ext3 when its ext4
14:50<jordanm>shadowblade: /etc/fstab
14:50<jordanm>oh
14:50<shadowblade>yea, it appears to be ignoring that
14:50<jordanm>shadowblade: what version of debian? are you using grub2
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14:50<shadowblade>yep, grub 2, debian lenny with kernel 2.6.32 from backports
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14:51<jordanm>,versions grub2
14:51<judd>Package grub2 on i386 -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.98+20100804-13; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-13; experimental: 1.99~20110112-1
14:51<Big-stAn>susun len
14:51<jordanm>shadowblade: are you using the backported grub2?
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14:52<shadowblade>no
14:52<jordanm>shadowblade: I would try that. very possible lenny's grub2 lacks ext4 support
14:52<cahoot>insmod ext4?
14:52<jordanm>!insmod
14:52<dpkg>Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"? modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under Linux 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer
14:53<cahoot>grub2 uses it
14:53<shadowblade>so assuming initrd is properly updated, it does try and get the fstype from fstab?
14:53<jordanm>dpkg: insmod =~ s/Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer//
14:53<dpkg>jordanm: OK
14:53<sret>how do you rename a dir? from the terminal
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14:54<amphi>sret: mv
14:54<jordanm>sret: mv oldfile newfile
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14:55<cahoot>jordanm: you might be interested in how grub2 uses insmod
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14:55<sret>interesting it didnt rename it
14:55<sret>that's exactly what i did
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14:55<sret>should i give the full paht or just the name of the file?
14:55<jordanm>depends on your current working directory
14:55<jordanm>!tell sret about grounding
14:56<jordanm>full path will always work
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14:57<ballison>is there like an "apt-get -install-old-version" ?
14:57<sney>no
14:58<ballison>i have the version of the package "pinned" in my /etc/apt/preferences _but_ the newer version is already installed (got installed with the OS), and my application requires an older version.
14:58<sney>!downgrade
14:58<dpkg>[downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
14:58<ballison>there's no way to make it install the older version ?
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14:58<sret>thanks, just another thing, if this file is associated under the name foo, and i change it to foo1, what about the rest fo the dirs where foo resides, how do i make an overall change for that file foo to foo1?
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14:58<retrospectacus>ballison, you can use the archives repo and apt-get install whatever=6.7
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14:59<sret>so far i know foo is in /usr/share/foo and in /usr/bin/foo, but i bet it could be under the name foo elsewhere too right
14:59<ballison>retro: I'll try that and see what happens.
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15:01<jordanm>sret: unless it is linked to those other directories, the file foo only one instance of foo exists
15:02<jordanm>sret: they are only the same file if its a hard link
15:03<babilen>sret: What are you actually trying to do?
15:03<sret>so i need to make a symlink
15:03<jordanm>sret: thats an implementation detail. what are you *really* trying to do
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15:04<sret>i reinstalled epic4 from the source
15:04<sret>and its called epic now
15:04*babilen should have known
15:04<sret>the deb pkg epic4 i installed previously is still resigning in the machine
15:04<sret>in /usr/share/epic4
15:04<jordanm>awesome, and you used a /usr prefix
15:04<sret>right
15:05<sret>wen i did a configure i did a prefix=usr
15:05<jordanm>sret: manually compiled software should use --prefix=/usr/local instead
15:05<babilen>sret: You shouldn't do that. /usr/local is meant for local installations.
15:05<babilen>!tell sret -about usrlocal
15:05<babilen>!tell sret -about stow
15:05<babilen>!tell sret -about stow usage
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15:06<babilen>!tell sret -about fhs
15:06<jordanm>on my desktop I actually use --prefix=~/local
15:06<sret>what is the reason for using local?
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15:06<jordanm>sret: so it doesn't conflict with system files or packages
15:07<jordanm>you likely overwrote package files with your installation, specifically in /usr/share
15:07<jordanm>sret: see the links babilen provided to you
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15:08<babilen>sret: stow makes it extremely easy to adminstrate manual installations to /usr/local and ensures clean seperation of different installations
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15:10<sret>yes i wanted it to overwrite the old stuff
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15:10<babilen>why?
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15:11<sret>because i didnt want it, apparently debian's epic4 pkg has no openssl support
15:11<babilen>What are you *really* trying to do? Why do you compile epic manually? And why do you want to overwrite system files? Note that your actions do not make sense and there is definitely a better way. You just have to tell us what you are trying to achieve.
15:12<sret>and that's why my ssl connection wasn't working.
15:12<sret>babilen: to test if epic4 from the deb pkgs was mucked up or epeic in itself
15:12<babilen>sret: Then tell us that. There are ways to recompile Debian packages without resorting to manual installations. And really shouldn't ever think about installing manually compiled software to /usr
15:13<babilen>!package recompile
15:13<dpkg>1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <apt-get source>.
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15:14<sret>i built epic from source code, after installing libssl-dev and libcurses5-dev, and it worked perfectly"
15:14<babilen>sret: So, you can either recompile the original Debian package with the compile options you want. Or remove the Debian package and install your manually compiled epic to /usr/local. I recommend the first way.
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15:14<sret>i just did recompile
15:14<sret>it works perfect
15:14<sret>:D
15:15<ladoga>sret: but you didn't remove the debian package first
15:15<ompaul>sret: however other things can get impacted when you do that kind of thing, for instance if you break the machine you really can be left with all the bits, just not in the right place first
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15:15<sret>ladoga: na because i wanted some of the stuff in there so just created a symlink and i was set, otherwise i had to mdify a lot of the .epicrc stuff and what not
15:15<babilen>sret: Please remove your manual installation ("make uninstall" hopefully) and the Debian package. Then recompile the Debian package as explained by dpkg above. If you have problems doing that, let us know and don't just do something that will break your system eventually.
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15:16<babilen>s/eventually/beyond all recognition/
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15:16<ladoga>sret: in anycase user installed stuff (not by package manager) should go to /usr/local/
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15:17<sret>ok
15:18<sret>i'll keep that in mind
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15:25<babilen>sret: And apart from all that. epic4 in lenny has been compiled with "--with-ssl"
15:25<sret>yah weird, its broken in mine for some odd reason
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15:26<sret>now that im reading more on prefix, if i did a ./configure without prefix, it would have gone to local too, wouldnt it?
15:26<babilen>quite likely
15:27<sret>ok
15:28<babilen>It is, however, always a good idea to specify "--prefix=/usr/local" or "-prefix=/usr/local/stow/NAME-VERSION" (or variations of the latter)
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15:29<sret>ok
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15:44<gfroxel>is there any way that an unencryped djvu file could become encrypted without running it through encryption software?
15:46<strtrcks>So, im confused a bit, is there any way to free up some space with removing packages or deleting files beside of localepurge<
15:46<strtrcks>?
15:47<devil>strtrcks: apt-get clean might free some space
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15:49<strtrcks>ye, and by some reason, my keyboard gone to english layout, and i cant config with dpkg-reconfigure console-data, because there is just a 101/button layout... ><
15:49<babilen>or "aptitude autoclean" / "aptitude clean" if you use aptitude
15:49<strtrcks>i did it, but i need more
15:49<strtrcks>im running from a 2gb usb pendrive now
15:50<strtrcks>1.5 used by lenny xorg e17 OOo
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16:01<sret>like for instance instead of istalling gcc from the pkg manager, head straight for gcc.gnu.org and build my own?
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16:02<sret>mucked up as in like now, SSL didnt work on it( not that it's a debian issue but could've been) but since i built it from the source, it started to work.
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16:04<sret> babilen got my last post?
16:05<babilen>sret: You can compile everything by hand if you want that, but one important thing about using a distribution is that they actually do a lot of work for you. Compiling sources from upstream is typically only needed on Debian if the software in questions has not yet been packaged for Debian. If you are OTOH unhappy with some compile flags of a Debian package it is a much better idea to recompile the Debian packages after you've adapted debian/rules ...
16:05<babilen>... to your liking
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16:06<sret>aqh ok thanks babilen
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16:07<mc68040>sret: or have a look a look at backports.debian.org
16:08<sret>ok
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16:15<shadowblade>Hello, for some reason, I can't seem to get grub2 to update to a backport version. I aptitude install with the version set to the current backport version (=1.97...) and grub-install -v invariably shows 1.96 .
16:16<babilen>shadowblade: How do you try to install the backported version?
16:16<babilen>,versions grub2
16:16<judd>Package grub2 on i386 -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.98+20100804-13; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-13; experimental: 1.99~20110112-1
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16:16<shadowblade>aptitude install grub2=1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1
16:16<babilen>shadowblade: Try: "aptitude -t lenny-backports install grub2"
16:17<shadowblade>aptitude claims its the latest version
16:18<babilen>shadowblade: Could you show me the output of "dpkg -l grub2" (the last line that starts with "ii") in here?
16:18<shadowblade>ii grub2 1.97~beta3-1~b GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (dummy p
16:19<babilen>you have the version from backports installed. I think it reports .96 as version because it is a beta version of .97
16:19<shadowblade>Well it doesn't appear to have ext4 support (added in 1.97)
16:21<babilen>shadowblade: btw -- grub2 is a dummy package and you probably want to install "grub-pc"
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16:21<troulouliou>scape
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16:22<babilen>shadowblade: grub2 depends on grub-pc, but I am not quite sure if you installed the version from bdo of grub-pc as well. (Depends on how you installed grub2)
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16:22<babilen>troulouliou: huh?
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16:22<troulouliou>no sorry was writing inkscape somewhere else :)
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16:26<shadowblade>babilen: looks like installing grub-pc from backports did it
16:26<shadowblade>haven't tried to boot yet
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16:26<shadowblade>but grub-install now claims the correct version
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16:26<shadowblade>thanks for your help
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16:26<babilen>great, you should use the "-t lenny-backports" if you are installing something from bdo
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16:35<steff517>hi folks, where can I get help with courier-pop3-ssl ?
16:36<retrospectacus>maybe #courier or #networking on freenode
16:37<retrospectacus>!courier
16:37<dpkg>Courier mail server is a <MTA>, providing ESMTP, IMAP, POP3, webmail and mailing list services using additional components. http://www.courier-mta.org/FAQ.html http://www.courier-mta.org/ #courier on irc.freenode.net.
16:37<steff517>thx
16:37<retrospectacus>you may ask here if you are using debian
16:38<steff517>oh, ok... well I just upgraded from etch to lenny and now i cannot connect with outlook. I'm getting (0x800CCC1A): 'Your server does not support the connection encryption type you have specified.
16:38<steff517>I found some tickets about exim configuration and client certificate validation
16:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 454] by debhelper
16:39<steff517>but I don't have exim installed
16:40<steff517>and in courier the client certificate validation is disabled
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16:40<strtrcks>-.-
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16:41<strtrcks>where is my keyboard layout?
16:42<retrospectacus>steff517: /etc/courier-imap/pop3d-ssl looks ok?
16:42<strtrcks>i created a "/etc/default/keyboard file" i ran reconfigure console-data
16:43<strtrcks>nothing, i cant get my 105 button HU layout back
16:43<steff517>as far as I can tell, but I'm not very experienced in this config file
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16:44<steff517>I didn't change it during the upgrade and it worked before
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16:44<steff517>with thunderbird it works
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16:48<retrospectacus>steff517: I had this problem with iPhone clients once, restarted courier and it fixed itself
16:49<steff517>I restarted the entire server already, unfortunately it didn't help
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16:52<retrospectacus>steff517: sorry bud. Try those other channels perhaps
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16:52<steff517>will do, thanks anyway
16:53<retrospectacus>strtrcks: you can use the keyboard prefs in gnome but don't know about the console
16:53<mc68040>steff517: as far as i know keyboard is configured in /etc/default/console-setup and /etc/default/keyboard
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16:55<retrospectacus>mc68040, you want strtrcks
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16:56<mc68040>retrospectacus: ups, right, sry
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16:56<mc68040>strtrcks: as far as i know keyboard is configured in /etc/default/console-setup and /etc/default/keyboard
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16:58<mc68040>strtrcks: what you wrote in /etc/default/keyboard?
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17:26<slix>connection to the Internet via wvdial. How to disable automatic connection?
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17:36<retrospectacus>slix: probably use update-rc.d or edit /etc/defaults or /etc/wvdial/something ?
17:37<retrospectacus> /etc/default/wvdial perhaps
17:39<gsimmons>retrospectacus: wvdial has no init script.
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17:40<retrospectacus>just shooting in the dark here
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18:16<Xeross>My debian is stuck at waiting for root filesystem, I think the device name might've changed, any way I can force it into the initramfs shell or w/e it is
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18:23<highlife>any help with backtrack 4 r2
18:23<adb>!backtrack
18:23<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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18:25<highlife>ok thanks for the info and sry cant find a backtrack irc
18:25<sney>it's on freenode.
18:25<sney>if you looked at the server list when you started xchat instead of just blindly pushing "connect", you might see it
18:27<highlife>ok thank you snuey
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18:37<HuntingBears>!canaima
18:38<ian>hello
18:38<sney>hi
18:39<ian>whats happening?
18:40<sney>not a lot. idly waiting for people to have support questions, hanging out in other channels, not going outside because it's -20C
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18:42<ian>nice one. thats cold..
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19:10<twb>OK, so you know how the sudo behaviour changed recently, to basically imply -H?
19:11<twb>I'm putting my sudoers file in ldap (the sudo-ldap package) -- what is the right set of options to get the new behaviour on both new (squeeze) and old (lenny) sudo versions?
19:11<twb>The new system has always_set_home, which (bizarrely) seems to have the same description as mail_badpass on the host system.
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19:13<twb>OK, never mind, this is clearly just a typo in the manpage -- there are two .TP's with mail_badpass
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19:16<IFailStuff>What the hell?
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19:35<scico>how do I stop resolv.conf from restoring? it keeps having domain-not-set.invalid and its slowing everything down
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19:37<retrospectacus>!fixresolvconf
19:37<dpkg>To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp{,3}/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>.
19:37<themill>scico: sounds like you need to fix the dhcp server that's giving you the wrong information.
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19:45<scico>ok
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20:30<raisin>dpkg: canaima
20:30<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, raisin
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20:30<raisin>dpkg: canaima =~ s//canaima is a debian derivative/
20:30<dpkg>raisin: what are you talking about?
20:31<raisin>Anyone knows how to add a factoid?
20:31<jordanm>dpkg: canaima is <reply> canaima is a debian derivative and not supported in #debian see <based on debian>
20:31<dpkg>okay, jordanm
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20:33<jordanm>dpkg: canaima =~ s/and not/and is not/
20:33<dpkg>OK, jordanm
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20:51<CaliforniaDebby>I want to put squeeze on a 32MB Toshiba Libretto. Where's a good channel to chat about this?
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20:53<amphi>CaliforniaDebby: I'm sure there's much about installing linux on librettos at linux-laptop.net
20:53<babilen>!emdebian
20:53<dpkg>Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net.
20:54<babilen>might be interesting as well if you face such severe disk constraints
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20:56<CaliforniaDebby>Interesting about the imbedded project; thought it was just for arm. Don't have disk constraints, just memory constraints and most people on linux-laptop used a 2.4X kernel and put up with no sound. I want sound.
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20:59<Aleric>What is the fastest processor for a high-end desktop CPU these days?
20:59<Aleric>s/CPU/PC/
20:59<babilen>ah, emdebian is mainly aimed at systems with hard disk constraints
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21:00<CaliforniaDebby>That's OK, I like learning about new projects. This one doesn't sound like what I want now however.
21:01<babilen>Aleric: Try ##hardware on irc.freenode.net -- i would guess some i7 from intel, their newest Xeon or AMD phenoms ...
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21:08<jhutchins_lt>CaliforniaDebby: You might want to see if you can track down the Legacy Linux project (it may have changed names), DSL, or Puppy.
21:10<CaliforniaDebby>DSl uses 2.4. 2.6 with alsa supports sound on Libretto. Puppy has X built-in; cannot figure out how to install without it. Squeeze is actually exactly what I want for this machine, I just have to "squeeze" it some.
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21:15<CaliforniaDebby>Legacy Linux project looks interesting though, and I thank you'all!
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22:01<jthill>note to self: do not, ever, put a new filesystem parameter in fstab, for the first time, on your root filesystem. particularly do not do this after a move and before you've made sure you can find your install dvds
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22:04<amphi>heh
22:04<Aleric>https://codereview.secondlife.com/r/99/
22:04<Aleric><-- to bed
22:04<amphi>!flw
22:04<dpkg><topa_> Guerin, tis ok i know what i'm doin
22:04<Aleric>oops - wrong channel :/
22:04<Aleric>grrmbl - sorry
22:04<amphi>!flw
22:04<dpkg><timgoh0> timgoh0@oghma:/media# shred -n1 -z -v /dev/sdd #I may have gotten the wrong disk. :(
22:06<jthill>!ftw
22:06*dpkg breaks into the front and goes FOR THE WIN
22:06<jthill>was that it?
22:07<jthill>!flw
22:07<dpkg><Phated> compubomb: If you're told something three times, it's true.
22:07<jthill>guess now. what does flw stand for?
22:07<jthill>*not
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22:07<jthill>!help
22:07<jthill>!?
22:08<abrotman>jthill: do you have an actual question?
22:08<jthill>sorry, I'll stop. was wondering what amphi meant
22:09<abrotman>FLW == Famous Last Words
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22:55<reklipz>Hey folks. I recently updated my laptop, and now my touchpad isn't functioning. Where should I start looking to fix this?
22:57<kop>!touchpad
22:57<dpkg>Synaptics is a X.org driver for laptop touchpads. For use in X, install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options; GUI configuration tools include gsynaptics and gpointing-device-settings (Squeeze). Not working? -> "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". Driver does not support X.org auto-configuration in Lenny. http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad . See also <clickpad>, <trackpoint>.
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23:02<amphi>reklipz: xinput may also be of use
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23:02<reklipz>kop, amphi: thanks, I'll start with those.
23:07<jthill>also, the top google hit on squeeze touchpad looks like it will probably help
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23:25<barbz>hey guys
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