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00:05<sret>anyone awake
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00:06<sret>i need help fixing this tightvnc issue
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00:08<bluetiki>so whats happening with it? im by no means an expert but maybe I can help.
00:09<sret>all i get is a stupid greey background and a terminal
00:09<sret>no icons, no nothing else
00:10<bluetiki>so basically youre getting xwindows with no window manager then
00:10<sret>dbus is running on the server
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00:10<sret>which means gnome session manager is
00:12<bluetiki>ahh, it looks like the vnc server runs tvm by default. edit $HOME/.vnc/xstartup
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00:12<bluetiki>add gnome-session &
00:12<bluetiki>restart the vnc server
00:14<sret>already did this
00:14<sret>that is what everyone tells you to do but it doesnt work
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00:19<bluetiki>installing it real quick see what happens on mine
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00:23<sombra>hola buenas noches algien abla español?
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00:30<bluetiki>alrite igot it runing
00:30<bluetiki>controlling from my mac fine
00:32<bluetiki>xrdb $HOME/.Xresources
00:32<bluetiki>xsetroot -solid grey
00:32<bluetiki>#x-terminal-emulator -geometry 80x24+10+10 -ls -title "$VNCDESKTOP Desktop" &
00:32<bluetiki>#x-window-manager &
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00:33<tiki>sorry got kicked for pasting that
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00:34<bluetiki>sret i just started the server with those options, changed the default resoultion to my resoulution and color depth, and it worked fine
00:34<sret>i dont have a .Xresources
00:34<sret>im not on a mac
00:34<sret>im on debian
00:35<bluetiki>yeah, i was connecting to the vncserver from my mac
00:35<bluetiki>thats what i meant
00:35<bluetiki>the other thing i did was enable the built in vnc server in gnome
00:36<bluetiki>system -> preferences -> remote desktop
00:36<bluetiki>it might have made some changes that made it work
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00:37<bluetiki>i started it with vncserver :1 -geometry 1680x1050 -depth 24 -pixelformat rgb565
00:37<bluetiki>since i have one monitor at 1680x1050 with 24 bit color
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00:42<bluetiki>eh dammit the vnc client i was using defaulted to 0 so i was using the built in gnome vnc
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00:45<bluetiki>ok got it working now
00:46<bluetiki>you only need 3 lines in the xstartup file
00:46<bluetiki>export XKL_XMODMAP_DISABLE=1
00:47<bluetiki>gnome-session &
00:47<bluetiki>then start your server with w/e for parameters
00:47<sret>man im on debian
00:47<sret>these settings work for a mac maybe
00:47<bluetiki>i have 2 computers in front of me
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00:47<sret>my vncserver is debian
00:47<bluetiki>the mac im ussing to connect to my debain box
00:48<bluetiki>im running squeeze rc_1 the amd_64 port
00:48<bluetiki>sorry bad spelling
00:48<sret>im on lenny
00:49<sret>in any of the online docs for debian nothing talks of a XKL XMODMAP
00:49<sret>so im not sure
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00:49<bluetiki>the comment in my file says thats a fix to make gnome work
00:49<sret>on squeeze
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00:51<sret>im not sure thats going to work and im frankly tired trying and trying and trying
00:51<sret>i tried like maybe 50 combinations here for the xstartup file
00:52<sret>not one fucking thing worked
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00:55<bluetiki>well we probably have different versions of both gnome and tightvncserver.
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01:01<bluetiki>well, give it a try and let me know.
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01:14<sret>can you just paste your xstartup somewhere
01:14<sret>ther eis no xresources in here
01:15<sret>im not sure wtf the docs ar talking about
01:15<bluetiki>i have everything commented out but 3 lines
01:15<bluetiki>export XKL_XMODMAP_DISABLE=1
01:16<bluetiki>gnome-session &
01:16<bluetiki>the whole thing is
01:16<bluetiki>#xrdb $HOME/.Xresources
01:16<sret>can you pastre the entire file
01:16<sret>good god
01:16<bluetiki>#xsetroot -solid grey
01:16<bluetiki>#x-terminal-emulator -geometry 80x24+10+10 -ls -title "$VNCDESKTOP Desktop" &
01:16<jm_>!tell bluetiki -about paste
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01:17<sret>not here man, like in a paste bin
01:17<agarciamog>Hi all!
01:17<bluetiki>how do you do that not that familiar with irc
01:18<sret>i think having modified the xstartup file like 50 times now my guess is the pkg is broken or my system is fucked because of this
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01:21<sret>bluetiki: there?
01:22<sret>this XKL XMODMAP is just to get the keyboard running
01:22<sret>isnt it
01:22<sret>why would that help me?
01:23<bluetiki>you can always reinstall the pkg with apt-get --purge remove tightvncserver ...then resinstall it
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01:23<bluetiki>i dont know, maybe the keymap is keeping gnome from starting correctly
01:23<sret>i pretty much have all that
01:23<bluetiki>let me comment that out and see if mine still works
01:23<sret>except the XKL XMODMAP
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01:25<bluetiki>yeah mine still works with that commented out
01:26<sret>no shit
01:26<twb>What's up with this sudo?
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01:28<bluetiki>is there anything useful in the vnc server log?
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01:28<sret>nothing that i know of
01:28<sret>no errors
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01:33<bluetiki>have you tried any other window managers and see if you can get them to activate?
01:33<bluetiki>like maybe awesome, fluxbox, or something simple?
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01:36<sney>I've had easy success making windowmaker and lxde work over vnc
01:36<sney>on several occasions with both lenny and squeeze
01:36<bluetiki>hmm lenny has the same version of tight vnc server so its not that
01:37<sney>on the other hand, in my experience, x11vnc never has a problem, so I dunno
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01:38<sret>i got some weird error
01:38<sret>Window manager warning: Log level 32: could not find XKB extension.
01:39<sney>warnings are not errors
01:39<sney>lots of software that works flawlessly will kick out a warning now and again
01:44<bluetiki>the only way i could get x with no wm was to run the xstartup with no options at all
01:44<sret>im guessing
01:44<sret>in order to have gnome-session running
01:44<sret>i need to add it to xinitrc?
01:44<sret>exec gnome-session & ?
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01:45<bluetiki>yeah i have it in mine
01:45<bluetiki>you dont need to send it to the background tho
01:45<jm_>it should be started by Xsession if it's configured as a default alternative
01:46<sret>how do i find out if its set as default
01:48<jm_>update-alternatives --list x-session-manager
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01:51<sret> /usr/bin/gnome-session
01:52<jm_>right, so starting Xsession should start it
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01:54<jm_>keep in mind ~/.xsession takes precedence
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01:56<sret>ok so default its ok?
02:00<sret>so jm_ i dont need to add gnome-session in my xinitrc then do i
02:00<jm_>sret: as long as Xsession is started
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02:04<sret>how do i check if xsession is started
02:05<jm_>see if ~/.xsession-errors is updated
02:05<sret>how though
02:05<jm_>it's a text file
02:05<jthill>I thought xkb was, like, everywhere these days
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02:06<jm_>when Xsession is started it adds an entry to it: echo "$PROGNAME: X session started for $LOGNAME at $(date)"
02:10<sret>ok where is this file
02:10<twb>To answer my question: 18:09 <twb> "sudoRunAsUser: %adm" means "you can run as any user in the adm group" -- NOT "you can run as group adm"
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02:12<jm_>do you know what ~/ means?
02:14<sret>ah found it
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02:15<jm_>homedir of the user that runs it
02:15<sret>im in the file
02:16<sret>what should i be looking for
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02:18<sret>its a huge file
02:18<sret>is there a keyword to look for?
02:19<jm_>I already gave it to you: grep 'session started' ~/.xsession-errors
02:19<jm_>you can delete (or rename) the file and start VNC again, see if it creates the file
02:20<sret>when i do grep "session started
02:20<sret>i ge tnothing
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02:21<sret>im new to debian just so you know
02:21<jm_>that's a bit surprising if you say it's a huge file
02:21<sret>its a huge friggin file well i mean its got a huge scroll
02:22<sret>i did a grep in prompt
02:22<sret>and i got nothing
02:22<jm_>did you ever start X as this user?
02:23<sret>as in type startx?
02:23<jm_>for example
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02:23<sret>never did a startx before
02:24<jm_>maybe you use a display manager, same thing though
02:24<sret>never even typed
02:25<sret>no idea
02:25<sret>i use gnome as the window manager though
02:25<jm_>do you have a graphical login?
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02:25<sret>yes i do
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02:27<sret>i think since i use gnome i use GDM
02:27<sret>gnome's display manager
02:27<jm_>right, so when you use that it's highly likely it also writes to this file
02:28<jm_>does this find it? grep 'session started' /etc/X11/Xsession
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02:29<jm_>ahh maybe gdm uses /etc/gdm/Xsession - which might be different
02:29<jm_>in any case, if you told vnc to use /etc/X11/Xsession you should see the "started" line
02:29<sret>i get this as output
02:29<sret>echo "$PROGNAME: X session started for $LOGNAME at $(date)"
02:30<sret>well in the xstartup file i believe there is a /etc/XII/
02:30<jm_>yup, it might be gdm's session script is a bit different, see above
02:30<sret>if do a grep on /etc/gdm/Xsession i get nothing
02:31<jm_>just ignore gdm for now as long as you use /etc/X11/Xsession
02:31<twb>jm_: re .xsession-errors being large -- shit like pulseaudio will fill it quickly with useless warnings
02:31<sret>for XII/Xsession i get that output
02:31<sret>twb: i got like firefox warnings shitload of them and evolution bogofilter stuff
02:32<sret>jm_: what do i do next
02:32<jm_>twb: there should be some mechanism to delete/rename it now and then
02:32<twb>jm_: savelog(1) :P
02:33<twb>It would be better to, you know, fix the damn warnings
02:33<jm_>twb: yeah, I meant for people who have no clue the file is even there :)
02:33*twb rails at GUI appdevs
02:33<sret>this is the only thing thats taken me so long to figure out in linux
02:33<sret>running this damn tightvnc server
02:34<sret>a whole day gone just on this shit
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02:34<sret>and still nothing
02:34<twb>sret: do you need to export a running desktop, or just *A* desktop?
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02:35<sret>just export a desktop to my windows machine so i can use it from there
02:36<twb>sret: you can run Xvnc instead of exporting an existing desktop, then
02:36<twb>it just runs as a daemon in the background
02:36<sret>i am running xvnc when i do a vncserver
02:36<twb>i.e. it's an X server that "displays" on a VNC port instead of on a physical display
02:37<twb>vnc4server: /usr/bin/Xvnc4
02:37<sret>f i run $ vncserver xvnc is autmatically launched
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02:38<sret>isnt vnc4server different?
02:38<sret>im using tightvnc server here
02:38<jm_>why does it have to be vnc?
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02:38<sret>asking me?
02:39<sret>because vnc can do this, so wantedto try it
02:40<sret>ssh and port forwarding X11 was't doing it, extremely lag
02:40<sret>so wanted to try this on the local machines
02:40<jm_>vnc will also be slow
02:40<sret>well atleast i know i tried
02:40<sret>at this point shit doesnt work
02:40<sret>and there isn't a decent doc out there without contradicting another one
02:41<sret>everyone t alks about just modifying xstartup and setting in your window manager as gnome or kde and bam youre all set
02:41<sret>but from the looks of it it doesnt seem so
02:41<twb>You should just use ssh and a CLI
02:41<twb>GUIs are for losers anyway
02:42<sret>maybe i will afteri get this working
02:42<jm_>tightvncserver starts /etc/X11/Xsession
02:42<jm_>by default that is
02:43<sret>in some of the xstartup files they have the /etc/X11/
02:43<sret>some dont
02:43<jm_>we are talking about the debian package
02:44<twb>Hm, tightvncserver(1) is itself an X server? i.e. it binds to :6900 ?
02:44<twb>Er, :7000
02:44<sret>and 5901
02:45<sret>what is the exact settings to be put in the xstartup file or do i need something else?
02:45<twb>Make that 6000 (X11 :0)
02:45<sret>right 6000 or something i forgot and one was 5901
02:46<jm_>it creates xstartup file for you if it doesn't exist yet
02:46<sret>it did create one but because there's no real official debian wiki link explaining howto
02:46<jm_>howto what?
02:46<sret>all the google stuff tells you to modify it and add gnome or kde in place of x-terminal-manager
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02:47<sret>look at this
02:48<sret>he doesnt even have etc/X11/ there
02:48<sret>and some do
02:48<sret>for debian the explanations are fucked up on google or im no sure what im doing wrong
02:48<jm_>that's because he decided he'll use gnome-session instead ...
02:49<sret>and there are cases where people have etc/x11 and still decided to add gonme-session &
02:49<sret>and some exec gnome-session &
02:49<jm_>some also don't know what they are doing :)
02:49<sret>so basically its lke " it works for me therefore it could for you!"
02:50<sret>well how do we know? new users go by if debian has a howto
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02:50<sret>else we have to google
02:50<sret>debian doesnt have a link explaining this
02:51<sret>so what do i do now to get this working?
02:51<sret>get rid of tightvnc?
02:51<sret>heck even the tightvnc site doesnt explain shit for linux,it only explains if you build it from source
02:51<jm_>get rid of xstartup file, start it again, see what it says
02:52<sret>you mean delete the xstartup file?
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02:52<jm_>yes, it will recreate it anyway
02:52<sret>ok and start vncserver?
02:52<jm_>it's tightvncserver
02:52<sret>na you can do vncserver too
02:52<sret>and it connects
02:53<jm_>that one doesn't create the xstartup file etc.
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02:54<seventy-five>I'm new to linux and wondering why my laptop battery isn't as long as it is with windows. Can I fix it?
02:54<jm_>seventy-five: try running powertop and see if it gives you any suggestions
02:55<sret>jm_: ok still just a greay background
02:55<sret>before i had a terminal, now just this
02:55<sret>and yeah it created a xstartup file
02:56<seventy-five>jm_: how do i run powertop?
02:56<sret>do i need to run a command in the vncviewer to view it?
02:56<jm_>seventy-five: install it, run it in a terminal
02:56<sret>if i click remote desktop in system> preferences > remote desktop
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02:57<sret>its got a buch of options, chceked allow others used toview your desktop, checked allow users to control your desktop
02:57<jm_>sret: ok so try commenting out the Xsession line and add gnome-session one
02:57<sret>and below that it says to view desktop use vncviewer sret.local:0
02:57<jm_>sret: another thing - to verify what it started simply use ps
02:58<twb>jm_: why not just write an .xinitrc?
02:58<jm_>twb: apparently he has one
02:58<sret>dbus-launch( gnome i think)
02:58<sret>tthats it
02:58<sret>and bash
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03:00<sret>so instead of /etc/X11/Xsession i add, gnome-session &?
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03:00<sret>no # in front of gnome-session & right?
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03:00<jm_>that doesn't make sense, why would it start dbus but not the rest - perhaps your .xinitrc is fucked
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03:00<sret>only xtightvnc and dbus and bash
03:01<twb>jm_: because he starts it synchronously, I expect
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03:02<yoshio>!tell seventy-five about power saving
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03:02<sret>i removeed /etc/X11/Xsessions and added gnome-session &
03:02<sret>still just a grey bg
03:02<sret>now if i do a ps, i dont see dbus launched
03:02<sret>just xtighvnc
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03:02<yoshio>!tell yoshio about power saving
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03:03<jm_>sret: ok, put Xsession back, comment out gnome-session line and put "ps auxw" on pastebin
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03:05<sret>isnt it Xsessions/
03:05<jm_>not it's Xsession
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03:10<seventy-five>how do I install powertop?
03:10<jm_>seventy-five: do you know how to install packages in debian?
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03:11<jm_>uhh maybe you should read some newbie guides first
03:11<seventy-five>kk then I'm on it
03:12<jm_>sret: that gnome thing is your desktop started from gdm, right?
03:12<sret>yeah i have a gui login
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03:12<sret>which is gdm i believe
03:12<sret>im using gnome as the wm
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03:14<jm_>sret: what's in your ~/.Xsession or ~/.xsession file?
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03:15<sret>want me to pastebin?
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03:15<jm_>I guess
03:15<sret>Xsession fie
03:16<sret>at the sart it says its used by display managers and xinit (startx)
03:16<jm_>no /etc/X11/Xsession~
03:16<jm_>uhm ~ should be !
03:16<jm_>and not
03:17<sret>yes there's only etc/X11/Xsession
03:17<sret>no other Xsession file is in there
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03:17<jm_>run these commands in shell as user and paste the output: ls -l ~/.xsession ~/.Xsession
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03:20<sret>says cannot access /root/.Xsession: no such file or dir
03:20<vagvaf>hello :)
03:21<jm_>two files were mentioned, not just one
03:22<sret>says cannot access /root/.xsession: no such file or dir
03:22<sret>and /.Xsession
03:23<jm_>hmm then I don't get it, what if you put x-terminal-emulator instead of Xsession? make sure the last line in the file does not end with &
03:23<sret>you mean gnome-session?
03:23<sret>remove the &?
03:24<jm_>yes, you can try that first
03:24<sret>.x-terminal-emulator or /x-term..
03:24<yoshio>seventy-five, "aptitude show powertop" to see a description (if you don't have aptitude, try "apt-cache show powertop". If you want to install it, type "aptitude install powertop" or "apt-get install powertop"
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03:24<sret>ok then i have to disconnect tightvnc before i can do that
03:25<jm_>just x-terminal-emulator and no . or / or ...
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03:26<sret>but you want me to remove the gnome-session " & " first
03:26<sret>ok there's no gnome-session there at all
03:26<jm_>well try one of the things I mentioned, but not all at the sime time: a) remove & from the gnome session line, or b) use x-terminal-emulator instead of it
03:26<sret>i thinkw we remoed it the last time and its got a fresh xstartup file there
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03:27<sret>hold on
03:28<sret>you want me to do a ls -l x-terminal-manager?
03:28<sret>sorry emulator
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03:29<jm_>no, we are talking about your xstartup file, edit it and make the change
03:30<sret>should i keep x-terminal-emulator and in the last add gnome-session without the &?
03:30<sret>and keep /etc/Xll/Xsession too?
03:30<jm_>no, just add x-terminal-emulator at the end, the first one is commented out
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03:30<jm_>and comment out /etc/X11/Xsession
03:31<seventy-five>yoshio, it said it is already the newest version
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03:32<sret>comment out etc/X11/Xsession as in add a # at the beginning?.
03:32<sret>and last line just add x-terminal-emulator?
03:33<sret>ok i got a terminal and still the grey background
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03:35<jm_>ok so we know it works fine, now try replacing x-terminal-emulator with gnome-session
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03:36<sret>i have /etc/X11/Xsessions comented
03:36<sret>and underneath just gnome-session, this results in just a plain grey background
03:36<sret>sorry Xsession
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03:38<jm_>ok in this case I have no idea why it wouldn't work as we can see x-terminal-emulator starts fine, I suppose a simple window manager will also work
03:38<sret>is it because my xsetroot -solid grey?
03:39<sret>i put gnome-session without the & though
03:39<jm_>that's how it should be - and yes, xsetroot sets gray background, but that's easy to fix if you don't like it
03:40<sret>i want to see my desktop
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03:40<sret>i couldnt care if its at grey at the beginning
03:40<jm_>existing desktop?
03:40<sret>my linux desktop
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03:40<sret>when i start tightvncserver , it says New X desktop is sret:1
03:41<sret>starting apps specified in /xstartup
03:41<jm_>yes, but do you want to see the existing desktop with gnome?
03:41<sret>and logfile is in..
03:41<sret>yes i do
03:41<sret>gnome is what im using here so..
03:42<sret>do i have to configure anything in my windows machine so i can view it?
03:42<sret>i have tightvnc viewer there
03:42<sret>theydont have a lot of settings to configure though
03:42<jm_>you should use x11vnc for that
03:43<sret>i didnt get you
03:43<sret>wont tightvncviewer let me view my desktop?
03:43<jm_>the thing is tightvncserver starts another desktop instance
03:44<sret>yeah but i didnt see no icons or anything
03:44<sret>if it started another instance i should still see my gnome desktop, maybe the not same im using now but te default
03:44<yang>morning jm_
03:44<jm_>that's something I don't know why, I don't use gnome - but as you saw terminal emulator started fine
03:44<jm_>yang: morning
03:45<sret>i really dont care if its my existing desktop or not so long as i can see my linux desktop there
03:45<sret>yeah the terminal has been working fine for a lot of the configs i used with xstartup
03:46<sret>but the background is still greyed out
03:47<seventy-five>What should I do to make the laptop battery last longer and the fan to be quiet? I've tried powernowd and powertop
03:48<sret>in the sret:1.log for .vnc
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03:48<sret>i see xrdb: no such file or dir
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03:49<sret>xrdb: can't open file 'home/sret/.Xresources
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03:49<sret>gnome-sesson: you're alreading running a session manager
03:49<sret>you know what i think this is
03:49<sret>i read about session managers the other day and debian by default creates an XO-lock file
03:49<sret>so you dont create multiple sessions
03:49<sret>could this be something related to that?
03:50<sret>and if i wanted to create multiple sessions i needed to create a session id or something
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03:51<jm_>maybe this is referring to the existing gnome session running as this user - maybe it simply doesn't allow multiple instances; I don't know, I don't use gnome; starting a simple wm would work; using x11vnc would also work
03:52<sret> vnc sret:1.log
03:52<sret>whats a simple wm
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03:53<jm_>fluxbox, icewm, awesome, ...
03:55<sret>there's something called sessions in gnome
03:55<sret>under system> preferences
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03:55<sret>bluetooth manager is enabled, kerneloops applet, among other things , print queue
03:55<sret>power manager and so on
03:55<sret>i could add
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03:56<sret>well when i click add it says " Add startup program"
03:57<jm_>no, that won't help - like I said, x11vnc is for existing sessions, tightvncserver starts a new one
03:59<jm_>I bet it would work just fine if you logout from existing session
04:00<sret>what do you mean
04:00<sret>i start tightvnc
04:00<sret>and then logout?
04:01<jm_>no, the opposite
04:02<sret>if i logout how do i start it?
04:02<jm_>from one of the tty-s, at gdm login screen ctrl-alt-f1, login, start it, ctrl-alt-f7 to get back to gdm, but you won't be able to start gnome there then
04:02<sret>if i logout
04:02<sret>hold on
04:02<sret>if i logout
04:03<sret>at the gdm login page
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04:03<sret>at the bottom i see language, session, actions, if you click sessions its got: last session, run Xclient script, GNOME< Secure remote connection< TWM< Failsafe GNOME< Failsafe terminal
04:04<sret>maybe this is where we need to select to connect tightvnc?
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04:04<jm_>no, they are different things - tightvncserver starts its own X server, so does gdm
04:05<sret>if i shutdown gdm i'll be stuck at tty
04:06<sret>no gui
04:06<sret>but in tty you're asked to login as root i believe
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04:06<jm_>one can start tightvncserver as non root too, and you should not run gnome as root either
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04:08<sret>so at gdm if i do ctrl+alt+f7, i get a login for ?
04:08<jarry>soy nuevo en esto
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04:09<sret>basically imlogged out now, im sitting at the gdm
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04:09<jarry>i new in it
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04:09<sret>if i do a ctrl-alt-f7 i should be out of gdm?
04:09<jm_>login for tty-s
04:09<jm_>no, ctrl-alt-f7 gets you back to gdm
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04:10<sret>right ctrl-alt-f1 logs me out of gdm and takes me where? to a tty?
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04:10<dupondje> => is there a chance the package update can make it into squeeze ?
04:10<jm_>no, it doesn't log you out, it simply switches to VT1
04:11<sret>let me try
04:11<sret>stay wth me
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04:12<jarry>I'm new at this
04:12<sret>ok im in root as of now
04:12<sret>in VT1
04:12<sret>i run tightvnc now?
04:14<sret>BINGO DUDE
04:14<jm_>sret: just like I said
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04:15<sret>fucking genius
04:15<sret>ok ok i stopped vnc
04:15<sret>how do i get back to my gdm and gnome
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04:16<sret>soim back to gdm and gnome now?
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04:18<sret>thank jm_ ! we should've met in the morning
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04:19<sret>two networks and then jm saved the day:P
04:20<sret>friggin sweet,so the only drawback with this is if someone wants to login to my desktop they'd ahve to tell me first,because they wont be logging into an existing desktop
04:21<jm_>sret: right, if you want to fix that you need to use x11vnc instead
04:23<seventy-five>How can I fix my battery/fans? I tried powertop and powernowd.
04:24<sret>jm_: thanks man thanks a lot
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04:24<jm_>sret: no worries
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04:24<sret>heh friggin sweet, i should'e just asked in here in the morning
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04:27<jm_>sret: so all in all, all howtos were correct :)
04:27<sret>ididnt know it was easy to shutoff gdm and log back in so easily
04:27<sret>jm_: really?
04:27<sret>nobody said about shutting off gdm
04:27<sret>or about session managersin gnome
04:27<sret>but i think it gives us reason to make a documentation
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04:27<jm_>sret: that's because no-one assumed you would have another session running
04:28<sret>ah ok
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04:29<sret>jm_: thanks again i can sleep in peace, wife is prolly pissed i was sitting here till 4:30
04:29<sret>nite dude, thanks
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04:32<jm_>sret: good night
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04:34<spadone>I'm running squeeze and apt-get upgrade seem to update-initramfs some things and then when I reboot the /root filesystem is lost on the lvm
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04:35<spadone>it drops into the initramfs busybox shell instead of booting the root filesystem
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04:37<jm_>spadone: did you check BTS?
04:37<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>.
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04:40<spadone>i think I came across some people with similar probs while googling, but I haven't proceeded from that site
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04:41<spadone>I'm not an expert or anything but I'm guessing it would be an initramfs prob, grub seems fine
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04:47<jm_>you can enable initramfs debugging
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04:54<spadone>I found mentions of similar occurences in Ubuntu while googling, couldn't find my exact prob in the debian lists but i'll look a bit more
04:54<maruja>kien eres?¿
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05:01<Zuzu_Petas>hi all
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05:02<spadone>I'd think I'd should be able to run vgscan and then vgchange -a y in that initramfs/busybox shell but they don't seen to exist
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05:03<spadone>those tools for dealing with lvms should be available at that point, shouldn't they?
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05:04<jm_>spadone: that's the idea I guess
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05:08<seventy-five>What should I do to cool down my laptop/make battery longer/make fans quiet?
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05:12<twb>seventy-five: turn it off
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05:12<seventy-five>twb: lol but seriously
05:13<twb>seventy-five: then turn off individual hardware and software that you aren't using
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05:14<rpetre>seventy-five: provide better airflow (i'm thinking of having unobstructed ventilation and cleaning it)
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05:14<spadone>yer, I'll file a bug report so I can post more/better info, nothings wiped or gone, i can mount it in the rescue mode chroot
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05:14<seventy-five>yea but it didn't do this in windows
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05:16<mercutio22>My external HD is not being automounted in my box no more! here's what dmesg syas
05:16<mercutio22>Wonder whats crappening
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05:42<seventy-five>How come my battery life is so short?
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05:48<bram85>i have something to add to an archived bug, should i file a new bug report instead?
05:49<twb>seventy-five: usually because the default behaviour of Linux is not to power-save aggressively, and because doing so requires setting up additional userspace libraries or requires hardware support not vouchsafed to the FOSS community.
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05:50<seventy-five>twb: But I think that the laptop is too hot and the fans too loud.
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05:51<seventy-five>twb: do you know of anything I should try?
05:52<twb>seventy-five: there are large number of things you can try, but you are better served asking google than me.
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05:52<twb>seventy-five: what make and model is your laptop?
05:53<seventy-five>twb: dell inspiron n3010
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06:18<seventy-five>twb: bye
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06:21<megaos>ïîäñêàæè â êàêîì êàíàëå ÿ ìîãó çàäàòü âîïðîñ ïðî äåáèàí ñêâèçë? ïîñëå óñòàíîâêå îí íå ñòàðòóåò
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06:25<twb>megaos: UTF-8, please.
06:26<f8l>!tell megaos about ru
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06:36<msferoz85>hello peeps
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06:36<msferoz85>hwo do i set up my 5.1 sound system?
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06:42<megaos>after lenny upgrade to version 6, debian does not run. Why? only flashing LEDs on the keyboard
06:43<jm_>flashing LEDs typically indicate kernel panic
06:43<megaos>the problem is?
06:44<Torsten_W>who should know?
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06:44<Torsten_W>tell us the last terminal output
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06:45<megaos>tell us the last terminal output&
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06:47<jm_>megaos: please don't send private messages to people - when this happens you usually see a backtrace on screen
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07:16<zem_>can you upgrade i386 to amd64?
07:17<rpetre>zem_: no
07:17<rpetre>(only partly true, i've seen a way, but it's incredibly risky that a reinstall is way safer)
07:17<Arbulgazar>Could alyone help me?
07:17<Arbulgazar>Im using linux something like 2nd day of my life aaand i have a question according to CompizConfig manager.
07:17<Arbulgazar>How can i apply setting selected? :(
07:19<jm_>zem_: you need to convert it manually
07:19<Arbulgazar>I have CompizConfig 0.8.4. installed.
07:19<Arbulgazar>Plz, help! :(
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07:24<babilen>Arbulgazar: Welcome and I hope you are happy so far. I have never used compiz and can't tell you how to use CompizConfig, but you might want to read or as in #compiz on if nobody here can help you
07:24<babilen>s/or as/or ask
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07:38<zem_>jm_: what do you mean by convert it manualy?
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07:40<jm_>there's another guide for this too
07:41<babilen>jm_: I think it is the canonical one -- and it has big WARNING signs all over :)
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07:41<ribng>hi all, how can i list out all the available packages ??
07:41<jm_>babilen: hmm I think it was about debian too
07:42<ribng>could someone help me ?
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07:42<babilen>jm_: canonical not in the sense of the company but rather in the sense of "prototypical" or "the way to do it™" ;)
07:43<jm_>babilen: ahh sure yes
07:43<jm_>can't be arsed finding the 2nd URL now
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07:47<zem_>ok, i'll just make reinstall :) thanks for info
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07:50<babilen>ribng: For example: "aptitude search ~Atesting" or run 'aptitude search ~Atesting -F"%p"' if you just want the package names (replace "testing with whatever archive you are after)
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07:52<themill>ribng: apt-cache pkgnames
07:53<babilen>themill: That would mix releases (if enabled in the sources) though, wouldn't it?
07:54<themill>babilen: yes, I wasn't aware that not doing so was a requirement.
07:55<babilen>themill: ribng did not state that requirement, I just wanted to verify my suspicion and point out the difference
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07:55<themill>indeed :)
07:55<babilen>ribng: So, what do you want?
07:55*babilen pokes ribng
07:57*EmleyMoor peeks ribng
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08:01<tt>hi, how i can list all installed packages?
08:01<EmleyMoor>dpkg -l
08:01<dpkg>i don't know, EmleyMoor
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08:03<babilen>!aptitude clone
08:03<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>.
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08:03<tt>ps x list all current user running prosess? but how can i see everyone users running prosess?
08:03<seventy-five>how do I use hdparm to save battery? I'm having trouble writing the command
08:03<babilen>tt: Use that ^^^ aptitude line if you only want to exlude automatically installed packages
08:04<babilen>tt: ps aux?
08:05<tt>:) ofcource
08:05<babilen>tt: Have a look at the examples in "man ps"
08:06<babilen>seventy-five: Check "man hdparm" for the "-B" option
08:06<tt>sorry my stupid questions, but im newbie with debian... so far
08:06<jm_>seventy-five: it's probably enable by default for the disk, but you may want to use laptop-mode-tools package to change fs options
08:07<seventy-five>babilen: how do I write the command out though? sorry, really nubbish of me
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08:08<babilen>tt: No problem -- You might want to read the debian reference
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08:10<tt>babilen: pretty much new things in debian world :). but man is much better than windows manual :)
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08:11<babilen>seventy-five: For example: "hdparm -B1 /dev/sda" -- but have a look at the laptop-mode-tools package jm_ mentioned and "powertop"
08:11<MeglaW>windows has a manual?
08:11<babilen>!tell tt -about reference
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08:11<babilen>!tell tt -about grounding
08:11<babilen>!tell tt -about overview
08:11<babilen>tt: Those documents should keep you busy for some months :)
08:12<tt>ok :)
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08:12<seventy-five>I tried powertop and I'm installing laptop-mode-tools now
08:13<babilen>tt: But just ask if you have a question ...
08:13<tt>ok thats nice to hear :)
08:13<seventy-five>jm_: what do I tell the terminal, it is enabled, not active
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08:14<jm_>seventy-five: see /etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf to start with
08:16<jm_>seventy-five: you can start it with its init script
08:16<babilen>jm_: and probably /usr/share/doc/laptop-mode-tools/README.Debian* (I haven't checked the content of that file and can't tell you if it is indeed helpful, but reading the README.Debian* file(s) is always a good idea)
08:17<jm_>babilen: nope, I checked and there's only some generic file which will confuse him
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08:18<babilen>jm_: Ok, no need for confusion :)
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08:32<velasquez>Hi all, happy new year!. Dumb question: I have etch for volatile in the apt sources, should it be lenny? I'm in lenny. The IP of the mirror is giving errors.
08:33<dpkg>Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <squeeze volatile> <volatile mirrors>.
08:33<babilen>velasquez: yes, you should have lenny in there ^^^
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08:34<babilen>velasquez: How did you end up with volatile for etch in there?
08:34<velasquez>I dont know, maybe I was using volatile when in etch, upgraded to lenny and forgot the volatile sources :(
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08:38<babilen>velasquez: that is most likely the reason :) -- one more reason to follow the release notes when upgrading ;)
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08:38<velasquez>haha, right.
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08:39<babilen>and happy new year to you too :)
08:39*babilen opens a bottle of champagan and hand you a glass
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08:39<velasquez>thank you. I'm updating now, I hope nothing breaks.
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08:40<velasquez>champagne, like rock stars.
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08:41<colAflash>hi - anyone here knowing what happend to this bug-report?
08:42<colAflash>it's about a memory-leak in snmpd (version 5.4.1~dfsg-12 lenny)
08:43<colAflash>will there be an automatic update for lenny?
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08:46<velasquez>well, nothing broke, debian rocks. Thank you, till the next problem, bye.
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09:00<dnivra>hello. I just discovered I'm banned from #debian-mentors. may I ask why?
09:01<dnivra>(i was asked to ask here; unless absolutely necessary at #debian-ops as per the topic. so thought I'd ask here; this is OT here though).
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09:16<randy_>I want to do this,I can know the server IP change from email and auto ssh tunne to server,how can I do
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09:56<jthomas>Can anyone help me with dhclient errors? this server was upgraded from a pre-5.0 server, to 5.0, and then to 6.0...
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09:57<sret>if i wanted to find a .project file from ~/www/ and its subdirectories, what would be the bash command?
09:58<sret>ls -lR www | grep .project?
09:58<petemc>find /www/ -name *.project
09:59<sret>wat about this find ~/www/ -print -iname *.project | xargs somecmd -some options
09:59<sret>what is xargs going to do?
10:00<sret>petemc: isnt iname case sensitive
10:00<petemc>yes it is
10:00<sret>so i'd want find /wwww -iname?
10:01<petemc>why are you asking questions that you could easily verify the answers to yourself?
10:01<babilen>sret: Look into "-exec" and a "+" at the end of the find command -- and you have to decide yourself if you want your search to be case sensitive or not
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10:12<newb>Hello! My netbook connect at wireless but do not automatic detect my packages route and the internet from wireless do not works. Somebody could help me with this?
10:13<newb>Another error here is my "disablw wireless" special key throws a mesage "Unknown key 88 pressed". How could I configure this key to disable wireless?
10:13<newb>I'm using kernel2.6.37
10:14<dpkg>/dev/rfkill is the Linux rfkill (radio frequency <killswitch>) device interface, available since Linux 2.6.31. It is used to enable and disable wireless networking devices (e.g. wireless LAN, Bluetooth, WiMAX). The rfkill userspace tool for accessing this interface is packaged for Squeeze.
10:14<petemc>i havent used or tried to use the above
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10:20<newb>petemc: thanks! trying use :)
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10:33<newb>Where I can find some info for the route problem?
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10:55<edbian>Are the packages in sid newer than the packages in arch's normal repos?
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10:55<devil>edbian: some are, others not
10:56<edbian>devil, So arch in general is newer?
10:56<devil>edbian: right now debian is in deep freeze, so arch is probably more current atm
10:56<petemc>sid isnt frozen
10:56<edbian>devil, debian stable and testing are in freeze only right?
10:56<devil>sid is affected
10:57<dpkg>When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>.
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10:58<edbian>I see
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10:59<devil>iceweasel 3.5 and kde 4.4.5 tell a story
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11:45<kop>edbian: Interesed in newer packages for Debian? See
11:45<edbian>kop, thanks
11:56<babilen>toolbar.font: lucidasans-8
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11:56<babilen>grmml -- I hate it when that happen. Sorry :)
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12:37<bgat>anyone here successfully booting squeeze on one of the new, nobody mac minis?
12:38<bgat>er, that's "unibody mac mini" :)
12:38<MeglaW>yeah iv seen nobodys with macs
12:38<bgat>I was waiting for that... :)
12:38<MeglaW>ot anyway. :)
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12:40<hide>Hello everyone. Is there any way to browse all the shares on a machine running Samba service? In Windows I just needed to type "\\hostname" in start->run and it displayed a window with all shares. Is something possible in debian (without graphical env)?
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12:43<retrospectacus>hide: how are you planning to "browse" the smb shares with no graphical env
12:43<hide>retrospectacus: well, I mean, list them. Somtheling like <command> --list-shares <hostname>
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12:44<hide>In short: I just need to verify if a user without username/password can see what's shared on my samba server.
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12:44<hide>That's my goal
12:45<hide>In Windows there are two types of auth: 1) you can see all shares but you need user/pass for a protected share 2) You need user/pass to list all shares
12:45<OddTod>is there a way to mount VDI files for write access?
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12:48<kop>hide: Try smbclient for command line access.
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12:50<hide>kop: thanks!
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13:29<cyrus_nk>hello guys! help with debian install please. i couldn't fin a solution anywere
13:29<cyrus_nk>after a debian fresh install, i get the error: nu such device and the grub rescue prompt
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13:30<cyrus_nk>reinstalling the grub didn't work, nothing i found on the internet seem to happen
13:31<cyrus_nk>you can check here what i did :
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13:33<kop>cyrus_nk: What version of debian?
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13:34<kop>cyrus_nk: How big is your / partition?
13:34<cyrus_nk>20 gigs
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13:35<kop>cyrus_nk: Humm....
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13:35<god_>So was mine, upgraded to 60gb
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13:36<cyrus_nk>maybe this will help
13:36<god_>You don't want a small / if' i am correct you can run out of space if your going to be installing anything.
13:36<kop>cyrus_nk: You already said that.
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13:37<kop>cyrus_nk: You don't have a /boot partition, right.
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13:38<cyrus_nk>i have it
13:38<amphi>my / is 14GB and is half empty
13:38<cyrus_nk>and i have a menu.lst
13:39<cyrus_nk>in /boot/grub/
13:39<kop>cyrus_nk: That was supposed to be a question, sorry. Your forum post says you don't have a /boot partition, just / and /home.
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13:39<cyrus_nk>i don't have a boot partition
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13:39<cyrus_nk>got you sorry
13:39<jhutchins_lt>There is a factoid that covers how to get grub to boot when it has the wrong root configured.
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13:40<jhutchins_lt>I'm searching for it...
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13:40<cyrus_nk>i have a /boot folder on the root partition
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13:42<kop>cyrus_nk: Maybe somebody can help me out here. Your post says you've menu.lst lines like: kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet But that does not look familiar. I'd expect something more like boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet Why would the line look like that?
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13:44<kop>(Which may or may not have anything to do with your error message, which says that grub cannot find the partition.)
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13:45<cyrus_nk>do i need a separate /boot partition?
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13:45<kop>cyrus_nk: All else fails, you could reboot the install cd, tell it expert mode, go to the grub install choice and re-install grub there.
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13:46<kop>cyrus_nk: You only need one if your bios can't read all of your / partition because it's too big. This depends on the bios. (bios is lame.)
13:46<bartm>cyrus_nk, no need for a separate /boot partition
13:46*dvs wants a UEFI
13:46<cyrus_nk>i allready reinstall grub from the rescue mode of the install cd
13:46<kop>cyrus_nk: I'd expect 20G would be ok.
13:46<Guilt_fr>Does anyone ever try to install debian Lenny on a Fujitsu primepower 250 (Sparc) ?
13:46<cyrus_nk>and nothing happended
13:46*kop thinks uefi is a giant security hole.
13:46<kop>!tell Guilt_fr about anyone
13:47<ChrisDumont>cyrus_nk: try substituting /dev/hda1 for /dev/sda1 . Some kernels and some devices will rename back and forth so grub looks for one while the kernel looks for the other.
13:47*dvs says "Shhhhhhhhhhh!"
13:47<kop>cyrus_nk: I'm a little lost. Maybe someone else can help. Gotta go. If no one helps ask again a bit later.
13:47<Guilt_fr>kop> is Debian Lenny working on a Fujitsu primepower 250 (Sparc) ?
13:48<cyrus_nk>ChrisDumont: i'll check that
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13:49<bartm>Guilt_fr, why don't you try and come back when you experience problems :)
13:49<jhutchins_lt>cyrus_nk: Ah, here we go. Are you in the grub shell?
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13:49<cyrus_nk>i'm now going in rescue mode
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13:50<jhutchins_lt>I thought grub used hd (0,0) instead of /dev - /dev/ isn't up yet.
13:50<Guilt_fr>bartm> i'd like !
13:50<jhutchins_lt>!reinstall grub
13:50<dpkg>See Boot a CD like <grml>, mount your disk read/write, (mount boot partition into your / partition if applicable,) mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/ Also ask me about <fixmbr> <rescue mode>.
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13:51<cyrus_nk>i reinstalled it a hundred times from the rescue mode
13:52<jhutchins_lt>Repeating the same process with hope of a different outcome is called "magical thinking".
13:52<cyrus_nk>i'm merlin if is that so:)
13:52*jhutchins_lt hasn't screwed grub up a hundred times yet.
13:52<dvs>jhutchins: it's called "insanity"
13:53<god_>dvs: No
13:53<jhutchins_lt>cyrus_nk: So what's your current question?
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13:53<god_>^Good question.
13:54<cyrus_nk>i reinstalled grub from rescue and it's rebooting now
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13:54<god_>Does it work?
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13:54<cyrus_nk>1 sec
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13:55<cyrus_nk>it's going into Intel Agent Boot Agent
13:55<cyrus_nk>i don't understand
13:55<zwerg>Hi there.
13:55<Guilt_fr>bartm> most threads on email archives about this topic says that it doesn't work because Fujitsu did not release the specs but they are several years old. Since then, Fujitsu released the specs, OpenBSD and FreeBSD were ported to it, but I didn't find anything about that on the linux community. Before getting such hardware, I would like to know if this has a little chance to work with Debian....
13:55<cyrus_nk>and an error PXE-E53: No boot filename received
13:55<nattyCONTROL>It couldn't boot the hardrive, next berst option.
13:56<nattyCONTROL>So in short, fail.
13:56<ChrisDumont>cyrus_nk: you have pxeboot set in your bios boot order
13:56<zwerg>I just installed SID on a new machine and I put some xinput commands into .xsession, which doesn't seem to get executed. Any ideas which file to use?
13:57<nattyCONTROL>If it cannot boot a HD, usually it tries cd and than pxe
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13:57<cyrus_nk>network is the last on the boot order
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13:58<ChrisDumont>if it didn't try booting the hard disk. then the boot flag on /dev/sda or /dev/hda1 is not set.
13:58<nattyCONTROL>Mine is sda1
13:58<cyrus_nk> has no asterix when i do the fdisk -l
13:58<nattyCONTROL>zwerg: xinput
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14:00<cyrus_nk>how can i set the bootable flag?
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14:00<ChrisDumont>or cfdisk or parted
14:00<zwerg>nattyCONTROL: What do you mean by that?
14:01<jhutchins_lt>cyrus_nk: Have you tried going into the grub shell and finding the boot partition?
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14:01<cyrus_nk>i don't know how exactly. i'm not very good
14:01<nattyCONTROL>zwerg: what do you want to do :)
14:01<jhutchins_lt>ChrisDumont: The boot flag is only relevant to MS systems (possibly only to DOS).
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14:02<ChrisDumont>yes, but some bioses (call them buggy if you like) refuse to boot a disk if it's not set.
14:02<zwerg>nattyCONTROL: I got three xinput commands like "xinput set-int-prop..." to be able to use the middle button for scrolling, which need to be executed when starting X.
14:03<cyrus_nk>jhutchins_lt: how can i do that?
14:03<ChrisDumont>and if you use an msdos partition table (which is pretty often even on Debian systems)
14:04<nattyCONTROL>Make the command start on boot?
14:04<nattyCONTROL>Not sure if debian changed the way they do it.
14:04<jhutchins_lt>cyrus_nk: At this point it doesn't seem to be even finding grub on a disk.
14:05<jhutchins_lt>cyrus_nk: It's not clear to me what you've done so far. You need a rescue disk again, because you're not even in stage1 of grub.
14:05<nattyCONTROL>I am new to debian, i was using gentoo.
14:05<zwerg>nattyCONTROL: Exactly what I'm asking. Neither .xsession nor .xinitrc seem to get executed.
14:06<cyrus_nk>i'm in the shell of rescue mode and i see that i have the /boot/grub/menu.lst file with entris for debian
14:06<nattyCONTROL>zwerg: What desktop are you using?
14:06<jhutchins_lt>zwerg: Those are only used by some of the more "primitive" window managers. kde and grub ignore them.
14:07<nattyCONTROL>If you used openbox i'd throw the commands into the startup script.
14:07<jhutchins_lt>cyrus_nk: I would chroot to the installation after mounting /proc and /dev, then run grub-install again.
14:07<jhutchins_lt>cyrus_nk: You might run update-grub first just to clean up menu.list.
14:07<nattyCONTROL>If done that way :p
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14:07<zwerg>Yeah, it's currently KDE, but would be nice if it's executed on any desktop.
14:08<cyrus_nk>i did the update-grub and no error
14:09<jhutchins_lt>cyrus_nk: You're in a chroot?
14:09<cyrus_nk>when i do ls i can see /proc and /dev
14:09<jhutchins_lt>cyrus_nk: Are you in a chroot or just in rescue mode?
14:09<cyrus_nk>don't know how to chroot, please tell me
14:09<cyrus_nk>i'm in rescue mode
14:09<jhutchins_lt>cyrus_nk: Ok, you're just working with the system that's on the CD.
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14:10<jhutchins_lt>You need to mount the installed partitions, mount /proc and /dev to the new filesystem, then chroot to the new filesystem. Let me see if there's a quick guide...
14:10<nattyCONTROL>zwerg: Init.d
14:10<nattyCONTROL>zwerg: Init
14:11<sret>what is the use of iptunnelling?
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14:11<nattyCONTROL>sret :)
14:11<jhutchins_lt>!reinstall grub
14:11<dpkg>See Boot a CD like <grml>, mount your disk read/write, (mount boot partition into your / partition if applicable,) mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/ Also ask me about <fixmbr> <rescue mode>.
14:11<jhutchins_lt>!tell cyrus_nk about reinstall grub
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14:12<zwerg>nattyCONTROL: Yep, good idea.
14:12<sret>hi nattyCONTROL
14:12<sret>do i know oyu nattyCONTROL ?
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14:13<nattyCONTROL>Say i encapsulated my apr redirect in a dns packet.
14:13<jhutchins_lt>cyrus_nk: When it says "mount your disk read/write", see if the rescue mode has mounted your partitions by running mount
14:13*nattyCONTROL horrible example
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14:13<jhutchins_lt>cyrus_nk: Do you have questions?
14:14<nattyCONTROL>Any help with ym webcam, i don't need drivers so what would cause me to not get an image.
14:15<cyrus_nk>1 sec please
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14:15<jhutchins_lt>nattyCONTROL: The fact that you actually DO need drivers.
14:15<jhutchins_lt>!tell nattyCONTROL about webcam
14:15<jhutchins_lt>!tell nattyCONTROL about webcams
14:15<nattyCONTROL>Actually, i had 4 or so fresh debian installs that never had a single driver installed.
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14:15<jhutchins_lt>nattyCONTROL: Um. Yes you did.
14:16<dvs>nattyCONTROL: What do you think kernel modules are?
14:16<nattyCONTROL>On different computers, one for my weed-room, one for my living-room, and 2 for my laptops
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14:17<nattyCONTROL>Why would it be, that a basically fresh install, would not work when using the same medium as the rest?
14:17<nattyCONTROL>The only thing unclean about the one im talking about is the /home partition
14:17<cahoot>nattyCONTROL: what camera? usbid
14:18<nattyCONTROL>Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0ac8:3450 Z-Star Microelectronics Corp.
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14:19<cyrus_nk>jhutchins_lt: what does /your/root mean?
14:19<jhutchins_lt>cyrus_nk: Means wherever you mounted your / partition.
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14:20<cahoot>nattyCONTROL: seems it uses uvcvideo - try unload/reload uvcvideo and check dmesg
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14:21<chiku>There is no onnly file in /boot/grub. I want to run grub-install /dev/xvda1 but I got this error
14:21<chiku>grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/xvda1. Check your
14:21<chiku>/dev/xvda1 mounted as /
14:21<Mr_Queue>Is it possible to have a user automatically logout after an ammount of idol time?
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14:22<jhutchins_lt>chiku: It is possible that grub does not understand xvda devices.
14:22<jhutchins_lt>xvd devices.
14:22<dvs>chiku: What does the file say? You usually install grub into the MBR
14:23<chiku>(hd0) /dev/xvda1
14:23<chiku>xvda doesn't exist
14:24<chiku>there are xvda1 and xvda2
14:24<bartm>Mr_Queue, I don't think that the gnome screensaver supports logging out...
14:24<chiku>xvda2 is swap partition
14:24<nattyCONTROL>OK compiled, and checked dmesg
14:24<chiku>grub can be installed on partition right?
14:24<dvs>chiku: That's not a platform I'm familiar with. Sorry
14:24<nattyCONTROL>I did not have uvcvideo, and it was cool
14:25<cahoot>nattyCONTROL: so you run a homemade kernel?
14:25<chiku>debian as domU
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14:25<chiku>it's a VM
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14:26<chiku>the guy who installed, didn't create xvda (the drive) then create partitions
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14:26<chiku>he just created 2 partitions files xvda1 and xvda2
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14:27<cahoot>nattyCONTROL: ?
14:28<retrospectacus>he left
14:29<Mr_Queue>bartm: me either, I was thinking something at a lower level.
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14:36<cyrus_nk>!tell fixmbr
14:37<retrospectacus>cyrus_nk: /msg dpkg fixmbr
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14:37<cyrus_nk>thanks retrospectacus
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14:38<sret>hi retrospectacus
14:38<sret>vnc issue fixed
14:38<retrospectacus>ah cool
14:39<sret>vnc is pretty neat
14:39<bartm>Mr_Queue, it seems that it does :
14:39<sret>jm_ helped me out
14:39<retrospectacus>vnc is confusing on Linux with the different display paradigm than windows
14:39<sret>retrospectacus: yeah
14:39<sret>we had to shut off gdm to do it
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14:40<sret>gnome wont let you run multiple session managers
14:40<retrospectacus>you can share a GDM session with the different vnc server called x11vnc
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14:41<sret>retrospectacus: yeah jm toldme, for existing desktops
14:41<sret>i was merely trying to just see a gnome desktop on my windows
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14:41<sret>gonna play with x11vnc tommorrow
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14:42<retrospectacus>yeah I can ssh to my laptop and run "DISPLAY=:0 x11vnc" to vnc-serve my already-running gnome
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14:42<sret>the only draw back is anything over ssh is veryyyyyyyyyyyyy slow
14:42<sret>i did X11 port forwarding for ssh
14:43<sret>and ran some stupid X server stuff for windows
14:43<sret>thing was heavily slow, iceweaasel was pretty much stuck
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14:43<retrospectacus>should be usable, unelss you are going across a satellite or something
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14:45<retrospectacus>iceweasel can be weird because it will try and use an existing running instance if there is a window open already and then the X forwarding gets confused or something...
14:45<sret>na just over cable
14:46<sret>oh wait the windows machine was running via wifi
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14:47<retrospectacus>should be no problem, though the windows "technologies" like ssh client and X display thingy are probably shit
14:47<retrospectacus>haven't tried that stuff
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14:48<sney`>cygwin is pretty much just a bundle of POSIX stuff compiled for windows, a lot of it behaves exactly like an average *nix
14:48<sney`>that includes X11 and ssh, etc
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14:53<sret>retrospectacus: ok heh
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14:55<plus>is there a GNU/kFreeBSD specific channel
14:56<plus>ah nevermind I found it
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15:04<dpkg><bart_> seanius, only 4 people at #C++ <seanius> try another network then <bart_> network? <bart_> IRC is the biggest isn't it?
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15:16<sret>so these days you can get storage of 1TB for as low as 120 bucks
15:16<sret>not bad
15:16<sret>with RAID and everything
15:18<sret>i could get two 1TB drives for ~$120 and RAID1 them, giving you 1TB of redundant storage.
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15:22<ballison>i need help with installing a newer lib than debian has in the main distro.
15:22<kop>!tell ballison about overview
15:22<ballison>i need perl's Parallel::ForkManager 0.7.6 and by defaul debian only installs version 0.7.5-2
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15:23<Lantizia>Hey is the logo changing? I only ask because I remember the font used it proprietary and the new d-i has artwork using a different fonr
15:23<sret>then i think you need to do an update
15:23<ballison>kop: times out
15:24<sret>i think aptitude update updates your pkgs or something doesnt it?
15:24<ballison>kop : The server at is taking too long to respond.
15:24<Lantizia>ballison, yeah it's down for me too
15:24<kop>ballison: I heard the wiki has trouble today. (Which is odd because it was snappy earlier.)
15:24<babilen>ballison: I don't know perl, but I don't think it would be that hard to install it to some other locatation from upstream. Take a look at CPAN
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15:25<ballison>yeah i'll do it that way... was hoping there would be a standard way in debian... but debian and standards ....
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15:25<babilen>ballison: There is, what is the package?
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15:25<ballison>i'm looking for version 0.7.6
15:26<babilen>ballison: I just think that it might actually be the cleaner solution as randomly upgrading some libs might break other software that install on the earlier version.
15:26<babilen>,versions libparallel-forkmanager-perl
15:26<judd>Package libparallel-forkmanager-perl on i386 -- etch: 0.7.5-1; lenny: 0.7.5-2; sid: 0.7.5-2; squeeze: 0.7.5-2
15:26<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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15:26<babilen>ballison: You could do ^^^ but I don't think that's much easier than just installing it from CPAN
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15:27<Lantizia>so is/has the logo changed?
15:27<sret>wont apt update update the pkg for him if there's a newer version?
15:27<babilen>ballison: I meant "that depend on the earlier version"
15:27<babilen>!tell sret about stable
15:27<ballison>going to try ::> perl -MCPAN -e 'install Parallel::ForkManager'
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15:28<babilen>ballison: Make sure that you don't install it to /usr, but to something like /usr/local or $HOME/.perl-whazinga/cpan/whatev
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15:31<babilen>ballison: You could also take a look at "dh-make-perl --cpan" and/or good luck :)
15:31<kop>babilen: It is nice to use the package manager though. I don't suppose there's a way to <ssb> and yet keep both versions installed. (Or rather I suppose there is, but....)
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15:32<babilen>kop: I agree that using a package manager is nice, but if you are a developer you sometimes need newer libraries to develop with, but don't necessarily need them installed system wide. Whenever I run into this I just install them locally into some private location and set linker/module PATHs accordingly.
15:33<kop>babilen: I understand.
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15:34<ballison>is there an optoin to make SSH accept the new ssh key from a host and update the known_hosts file, rather than having to manually vi .ssh/known_hosts and removing the old key?
15:34<babilen>Debian is still just a platform that shouldn't stand in your way. So, I don't condemn tools/infrastructure like CPAN (perl), rubygems, pip/setuptools, ... They are great to work with and you just have to make sure that you don't fuck up your system. :)
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15:35<fbc>How do I install the HTML DOM Parser library for php?
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15:36<babilen>ballison: You can easily just "ssh-keygen -R HOSTNAME" or "ssh-keygen -R IP_ADDRESS"
15:36<ballison>yeah? that generates a local key
15:36<ballison>i want ssh to accept the REMOTE key and update the ~/.ssh/known_hosts file
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15:37<kop>ballison: Arn't you thinking of ~/.ssh/authorized_keys?
15:37<babilen>ballison: Read "man ssh-keygen"'s description of the "-R" option
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15:38<ballison>babilen: you are right. very cool
15:38<babilen>ballison: I am sure that there is some option you can pass to ssh to disable the checks, but I don't know that off hand and you have to take a look at the manpage yourself. (Or ask in #openssh on freenode)
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15:39<babilen>ballison: much easier than editing the files by hand. let me know if you find an appropriate option for ssh :)
15:40<babilen>fbc: like php-xml-htmlsax3 ?
15:40<babilen>fbc: Ah, that's SAX not DOM ... sorry.
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15:40<fbc>babilen, no problem... i guess I''l find it eventually.
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15:43<ballison>babilen: disabling the checks is easy. just use ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no
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15:43<ballison>but none of our programs do that.
15:43<ballison>so i have to fix keys when servers change
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15:45<babilen>ballison: no i rather meant an automatation for "ssh-keygen -R HOST_I_AM_CONNECTING_TO_WHOSE_CHECK_FAILS" + "Yes, I trust that host, save its key to known_hosts" type option :)
15:45<ballison>now to make ssh auto ACCEPT the new key
15:45<ballison>well even if i have to do it in 2 steps , that's fine.
15:46<babilen>s/automatation/automation ;)
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15:46<babilen>ballison: I would hop over to #openssh on freenode
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15:55<Lantizia>hey is there an ncurses only mtr package? I can't see one
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15:55<Lantizia>don't want all the X11 crap being pulled in on a server
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15:56<kop>Lantizia: aptitude -R will help with that. (Dunno about mtr.)
15:56<Lantizia>kop, no their depends not recommends
15:56<babilen>,info mtr-tiny --release squeeze
15:56<judd>Package mtr-tiny (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: Full screen ncurses traceroute tool. Version: 0.75-2; Size: 35.5k; Installed: 104k; Screenshot:
15:57<babilen>,versions mtr-tiny
15:57<judd>Package mtr-tiny on i386 -- etch: 0.71-2etch1; etch-security: 0.71-2etch1; lenny: 0.73-1; squeeze: 0.75-2; sid: 0.80-1
15:57<Lantizia>ah! cool
15:57<babilen>!tell Lantizia -about search
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15:57*Lantizia hugs babilen
15:57<peej>my dhcp nameserver (supplied by adsl router) sucks. How do I override it the debian way in lenny?
15:57*babilen makes out with Lantizia
15:57<Lantizia>babilen, don't think I won't like it :P
15:57<babilen>Lantizia: hehe, have a good evening :)
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15:58<kop>peej: Man dhclient.
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15:58<kop>peej: And man resolv.conf.
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15:59<babilen>peej: How do you configure your interfaces? You can set "dns-nameservers" in /etc/network/interfaces
15:59<JesperCheetah>Lantizia: I tend to add APT::Install-Recommends false; and Aptitude::Recommends-Important false; to /etc/apt/apt.conf to avoid exactly that sort of stuff on a more permanent basis
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15:59<babilen>!why recommends
15:59<dpkg>From lenny onwards, apt-get and aptitude both install "Recommended" packages by default. From <policy> section 7.2, Recommends, "declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations." You're not that unusual, trust us. By not installing "recommended" packages you will be missing functionality.
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16:00<kop>babilen: Good point about "interfaces".
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16:00<peej>kop: resolv.conf is automated and overwritten by dhclient. dhclient has a zillion options. Can you point me at what I should look or set in dhclient config?
16:00<babilen>peej: How do you configure your interface?
16:00<kop>peej: I like babilen's idea. Pay attention to him.
16:01<JesperCheetah>Well, aptitude will print a list of recommended packages that "will NOT be installed". If I see that they add desired functionality, I'll install then with aptitude install foo+M (to mark them as auto-installed)
16:01<peej>babilen, I don't. Default lenny. Just Works <TM> with my adsl modem.
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16:02<peej>the only problem is, name resolution takes forever via whatever nameserver the modem offers. So I want to use some speedier ones (google, etc)
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16:03<babilen>peej: Take a look at /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf if you want to disable dhclient from setting/retrieving a DNS server and note that you can configure "dns-nameservers" in /etc/network/interfaces -- Read
16:03<dpkg>To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp{,3}/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>.
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16:03<peej>I'm trying to see if I can adjust it on the modem too, but I'd like to know what the One True Way (preferably lazy ;-) ) would be for lenny.
16:03<babilen>!override dns
16:03<dpkg>To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf (/etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf on squeeze), or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer.
16:04*babilen would still jsut configure them in /etc/network/interfaces and don't bother with dhclient
16:04<peej>retrospectacus, babilen , thanks for the dpkg wisdom.
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16:04<kop>My taste would be to remove the option. YMMV. (But I still think /etc/network/interfaces is easiest/cleanest.)
16:05*kop is too lazy to frob the factoid
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16:07<babilen>wow, wall of text
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16:21<OddTod>is there a clean way to mount vbox vdi files in the host system?
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16:24<hostname>OddTod: no, you'll have to convert it or use a vm
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16:30<leocade>hello, i seem to have a problem trying to fix my wlan0 to a channel. it keeps cycling through 1-14 randomly
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16:34<jenny>anyone here?
16:36<jenny>I've just finished lovecraft's the call of cthulhu not 2 days ago lol
16:38<koollman>I'm pretty sure 'lol' does not apply to lovecraft's work :)
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16:39<jenny>oh, we have ourselves a comedian
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16:39<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
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16:40<ichdasich>jenny: so, i suppose you are not here for a chat. what is your problem, how may we help you?
16:40<babilen>jenny: Welcome! Please note that we have a chat channel over in #debian-offtopic (here and on freenode) where coffee, beer and cocktails are served.
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16:40<jenny>I am in fact here for a chat, first time i've used this
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16:41<jenny>how do I get to that?
16:41<ichdasich>jenny: /join #debian-offtopic
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16:42<jenny>ooooh, smart thank you,sorry for barging in on you all
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16:45<god>Does anyone know how to check the tempature?
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16:45<Guest857>I know this computer is capable of sensing how hot it is, and .
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16:48<babilen>look into lm-sensors
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17:16<Lantizia>hey any ideas how I'd use "make menuselect" with a debian source package?
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17:29<Lantizia>also if I'm thinking of installing something that pulls in a lot of other packages... can I get a tree view of what depended on what? (rather than just a bit list of the end result)
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17:46<ompaul>Lantizia: apt-cache depends package and you can also do things like apt-cache rdepends package
17:47<Lantizia>ompaul, think I've isolated what it is already thanks
17:47<Lantizia>ompaul, don't suppose you'd know how I'd use "make menuselect" with a debian source package?
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17:50<Lantizia>oh I see why it's so crazy...
17:50<Lantizia>that _really_ doesn't recommend the source
17:51<ompaul>and you will need ncurses
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17:51<Lantizia>ompaul, sorry all I got was "and you will need ncurses" maybe i missed something before
17:52<ompaul>Lantizia: that is all I wrote
17:52<Lantizia>then i don't understand
17:52<foreste>how to build a debian package with amarok 2.4 for debian testing
17:53<ompaul>Lantizia: it is one of deps of the stuff that needs to be installed to make that world of voip happy
17:53<Lantizia>ompaul, well I don't want that library anyway
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17:54<Lantizia>ompaul, however installing asterisk installs that, and installing that installs it's sources, which pulls in a mega load of development stuff
17:54<ompaul>foreste: that would be a question for #debian-kde and you should put it on one line and sit back it may take some time
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17:54<ompaul>Lantizia: so my question of the week is, is there not a package you can install?
17:55<Lantizia>ompaul, your loosing me
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17:56<ompaul>Lantizia: why build when you are on a distribution that apt-get installs asterisk and you don't have to build it
17:57<Lantizia>oh I built asterisk 1.8 packages from the source package in the debian voip packagers SVN
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17:57<yoshio>,versions amarok
17:57<judd>Package amarok on i386 -- etch: 1.4.4-4etch1; etch-security: 1.4.4-4etch1; lenny: 1.4.10-2lenny1; squeeze: 2.3.1-1; sid: 2.4.0-1
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17:58<Lantizia>it seems lenny had this issue too with 1.4... it installs libvpb0 and that installs the source and all the development stuff - absolutely crazy
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17:58<yoshio>!tell foreste about ssb
17:58<Lantizia>*ucking hate recommends
17:59<ompaul>Lantizia: then I guess debian is not for you ;-) /me runs
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17:59<ompaul>now I have to go and attend to a radiator that needs some tlc to remove some air from it :-(
17:59<Lantizia>you leave it on - you end up with some stupid stuff... turn it off - and you end up running around finding what you'd expect to find but don't have lol
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18:00<retrospectacus>!start an install-recommends war
18:00<dpkg>apt-get now installs a minesweeper when I told it to install bacula. *sob*
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18:00<retrospectacus>sweet minesweeper
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18:02<mc68040>Lantizia: libvpb0 dont depend on source, but recommends vpb-driver-source which is "only" the source of a kernel module
18:02<Lantizia>mc68040, look at what the source depends on
18:03<babilen>Lantizia: You can disable the automatic installation of recommends
18:04<Lantizia>babilen, yes I'm aware already
18:04<babilen>Lantizia: good - wasn't sure about that
18:04<Lantizia>it's still a stupidly crazy thing to recommend
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18:05<Lantizia>given what the thing it recommends depends on and the fact it is a dependency of asterisk
18:05<Lantizia>you end up getting a full development box - just by installing asterisk... NUTS
18:07<retrospectacus>apt-get --no-install-recommends install asterisk
18:07*Lantizia applauds retrospectacus
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18:07<retrospectacus>just in case you didn't catch that ;)
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18:08<Lantizia>ok so can I get the recommended package re-assessed somehow to be a suggest?
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18:10<retrospectacus>I believe you would file a bug report, or contact the packager guys
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18:10<Lantizia>is there a way of saying... install blah... but don't install other-blah... on the same line?
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18:10<Lantizia>rather than just saying no to recommends in general
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18:11<Mahmoud>i am having a problem i need help plz
18:11<mc68040>Lantizia: you gave the link and i dont see any dependency on source only a recommended source for a kernel module
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18:13<Lantizia>mc68040, asterisk depends libvpb0, libvbp0 recommends vpb-driver-source, vpb-driver-source depends bzip2, debhelper, make, module-assistant... which ultimately bring in stuff like git, libc6-dev, gcc, gcc-4.4, cpp, cpp-4.4, libstdc+6-4.4-dev, build-essential... You Get The Point!
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18:14<Lantizia>So... by installing "asterisk" you get a tonne of stuff you really don't need
18:14<mc68040>Lantizia: "apt-get --no-install-recommends install libvpb0" doesnt install any source, tested on lenny now
18:14<Lantizia>mc68040, yeah but I shouldn't have to do that
18:15<Lantizia>the vpb-driver-source should be a suggestion for libvpb0 not a recommend
18:16<mc68040>Lantizia: depends on definition of recommend/suggest
18:16<mc68040>Lantizia: i think its ok when a user space library for hardware recommends the kernel module
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18:17<Lantizia>but it's not a kernel module - it's source
18:17<Mahmoud>anyone !!!!
18:17<Lantizia>you don't see linux-image recommend it's source!
18:17<retrospectacus>!tell Mahmoud -about ask
18:17<mc68040>Lantizia: some kernel modules are only distributed as source, may a license issue
18:18<Mahmoud>i have 2 keyboard layouts
18:18<Mahmoud>and cant make a shortcut to switch bet them
18:18<Mahmoud>arabic and english
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18:19<Lantizia>mc68040, well a) it's rich to presume I even have Voicetronix hardware when installing asterisk and b) it's rich to pull in a package that'll help you build a kernel module when you may have already done that
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18:21<retrospectacus>Mahmoud, you should be able to switch with the gnome system preferences thing, or see "man xmodmap"
18:22<babilen>!tell Mahmoud -about keymap
18:22<mc68040>Lantizia: sorry, i dont presume anything, but see your problem now
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18:23<Lantizia>is there a "I f-ing hate recommends" petition or something? :D
18:24<babilen>arghh, impatience ... tell Mahmoud about ALT+SHIFT to switch between keymaps if he comes back
18:24<themill>Lantizia: you could help the asterisk maintainers modularise their package so that it doesn't have a hard dependency on a hardware-specific package (hint: you'll probably need to help upstream fix that problem first)
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18:25<mc68040>Lantizia: the real problem is that asterisk is configured for support of this hardware
18:25<babilen>Lantizia: File a bug, if it is justified the recommend will be changed. Whining (sorry) here does not help
18:25<Lantizia>themill, not sure that part can be modularised - it'd require different editions of asterisk
18:25<yoshio>Lantizia, in /etc/apt/apt.conf, putting "Aptitude::Recommends-Important "false";" will stop the install of Recommends
18:25<Lantizia>themill, other bits are like h323 support, type of voicemail backend etc
18:25<mc68040>Lantizia: dunno if asterisk has a kind of plugin mechanism
18:25<themill>Lantizia: not necessarily, plugin support is possible for most things.
18:25<Lantizia>yoshio, yes already know - thanks for the late arrival :)
18:26<Lantizia>mc68040, it's only compiled for that hardware if you tell it to be
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18:26<mc68040>Lantizia: right, and the maintainer decided to include it
18:26<Lantizia>mc68040, right which then brings be right back to...
18:27<Lantizia><Lantizia> hey any ideas how I'd use "make menuselect" with a debian source package?
18:27<Lantizia>like over an hour ago :)
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18:33<Catprog>Can anyone else help me with a dhcp server? has 2 networks running off one nic. and -eth0:0 I am getting entries in syslog saying DHCPDISCOVER from <mac adress> via wth0: network no free leases . What I want it to do is give addresses through eth0:0(172.16) not eth0
18:33<mc68040>Lantizia: do you need to use "make menuselect"? some time ago i edited appropriate files (config.h, Debian/control, ...) in another package successfully by hand
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18:34<Lantizia>mc68040, no config.h in this
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18:35<Lantizia>atm i use dpkg-buildpackage to build the whole thing... but I'm thinking perhaps a way to just get it to configure... then i can use make menuselect... then get it to resume packaging perhaps?
18:36<mc68040>Lantizia: does dpkg-buildpackage make a kind of autoconfigure for the asterisk config?
18:36<Lantizia>can't see autoconfigure here
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18:39<mc68040>Lantizia: sorry, its a bit late here now (1am) else i would try
18:39<Lantizia>yeah getting late here too... 11:39pm - thinking of going bed
18:39<mc68040>Lantizia: france?
18:40<Lantizia>mc68040, UK
18:40<mc68040>Lantizia: germany
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18:42<babilen>yay, europe ftw! good night to all!
18:43<retrospectacus>lucky :( I'm still at work
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18:44<yoshio>judd: help
18:44<judd>(help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
18:44<yoshio>,file svscan
18:44<judd>svscan in lenny/i386: daemontools: usr/bin/svscan
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18:45<yoshio>,file svscanboot
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18:45<judd>svscanboot in lenny/i386: daemontools: usr/bin/svscanboot
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18:45<retrospectacus>please /msg the bot
18:45<themill>yoshio: you can talk to judd in a /msg or install apt-file on your own machine
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18:57<toprider>:-) i dont know who Yo means YO
18:57<retrospectacus>and yoo?
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18:58<toprider> just passing by, trying to see if i can find actual help with Sb modem premoded
18:59<toprider> surfboard sb5100
19:00<toprider>i guess worng place to ask for help
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19:01<retrospectacus>maybe, but you can try
19:02<retrospectacus>that is, if you are using debian
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19:09<Catprog>does anyone know how to set up a dhcp-server?
19:10<retrospectacus>most certainly
19:10<mc68040>i got some working
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19:19<Catprog>I can't get mine working due to 2 networks
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19:20<mc68040>some more details would be helpful...
19:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:21<Catprog>the dhcp should be running on 172.16(eth0:0) but is trying to give out 10.(eth0)
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19:25<retrospectacus>let's see /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf (?) in a pastebin?
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19:26<mc68040>Catprog: i never tried to bind dhcpd to eth0:0, so i can guess only: you set INTERFACES="eth0:0" in /etc/default/*dhcp* (name depends on version)?
19:26<retrospectacus>oh yeah, that's the place
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19:31*Catprog was mucking around with network/interfaces and switched eth0 and eth0:0 and now it is working
19:31<Catprog>I don't think it is starting on boot though
19:32<Catprog>thanks for all your help
19:34<Catprog>while I am here I am having problems with a lvm raid device. I have to manual mount it on boot up
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19:37<mc68040>Catprog: what exactly you have to do manually?
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19:37<Catprog>mount /dev/lvm-raid/storage /Files
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19:37<mc68040>Catprog: man fstab
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19:39<Catprog> /dev/lvm-raid/storage /Files ext2 defaults 0 0 (the line in question)
19:39<retrospectacus>should probably increase that last number from 0
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19:40<mc68040>Catprog: do you really have an ext2 fs on it?
19:40<Catprog>how can I check?
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19:41<retrospectacus>Catprog, well it's just the order in which it mounts, I think. So, bigger than all the other lines, I'd say
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19:41<mc68040>Catprog: the last number determines the orde of fsck, so 2 should be ok
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19:43<mc68040>Catprog: to determine fs type: "disktype /dev/lvm-raid/storage" (package disktype)
19:43<Catprog>can I use df -T?
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19:44<mc68040>Catprog: no, it prints the fs where the lies on
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19:45<mc68040>Catprog: no, it prints the fs where the *argument* lies on
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19:47*Catprog nods. had to set default gateway to connect
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19:48<Catprog>is ext3
19:49<mc68040>Catprog: much better, so correct /etc/fstab
19:49<Catprog>thanks for your help there
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19:50<Catprog>now to restart and see if those changes mount it on boot
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19:59<user01>how can i schedule a release party around 5th/6th? :)
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20:00<user01>Well I was off by one week this time . . . I predicted Valentines day ;)
20:00<abrotman>you can the friend you have .. and get some beer?
20:00<abrotman>it's still not definite
20:00<user01>Oh so i could still be right
20:00<abrotman>you could
20:01<user01>my bet at freeze was valentines day
20:01<abrotman>it's already frozen
20:01<Catprog>it broke the server. what I think is happening is the filesystem is trying to mount before lvm starts
20:01<user01>my bet at the the time of the freeze was that the release would be ready valentines day
20:01<abrotman>usually there will be a message to the mailing list about organizing release parties
20:02<user01>i didnt believe the before christmas rumors
20:02<abrotman>anyway ....
20:02<user01>well it will make a great gift for valentines day . . . except i think deb and ian split up
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20:09<mc68040>Catprog: normally not, in rcS.d is the order mdadm-raid, lvm2, mountall
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20:16<user01>hmmm i need to get t-shirts . . . where do they keep the squeeze artwork?
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20:16<abrotman>user01: has links
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20:17<user01>abrotman: ah i see thanks . . . wish they were higher res . . .
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20:19<user01>abrotman: ah wait there are some svgs . . .
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20:21<user01>hmmm they have t-shirt already on the wiki but no mention how to get it . . .
20:21<abrotman>ah, i think that's just the design, not the actual tshirt
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20:33<user01>that was weird
20:34<user01>i think they were in the wrong channel
20:35<sney`>heh, trolls
20:35<cthuluh>user01: nope
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20:35<user01>well i mean the channel clearly says debian . . . not sure what they thought it had to do with a waste of time . . .
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20:37<user01>oh well i think ill schedule my release party for the 7th . .. will there be a day when it is definite, or just ready when its ready?
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20:44<jthill>!ops wildflower intentional flood
20:44<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jthill complains about: wildflower intentional flood
20:45<abrotman>oh, i see :)
20:45<jthill>what a lot of them.
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20:45<tjfontaine>not really
20:46<leocade>hello, i seem to have a problem trying to fix my wlan0 to a channel. it keeps cycling through 1-14 randomly
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21:58<wissem>hi all
21:58<wissem>i ve just upgraded my lenny to squeeze
21:59<wissem>when i log on a gnome session there is no menu
21:59<user01>its not stable yet i dont think
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21:59<wissem>or any other thing beside my icons
21:59<wissem>i m now on a lxde session
21:59<wissem>any help please ?
22:03<stever>it'll give you problems otherwise
22:04<wissem>what should i reinstall exactly ?
22:04<wissem>gnome ?
22:04<stever>the whole os
22:04<stever>that's why I like dealing with vm's
22:05<stever>for shit like this.
22:05<wissem>i cant.i have a really bad connection :/
22:07<stever>you can't download the iso from somewhere?
22:08<user01>maybe it was a bad iso
22:09<user01>can you download it from work or the library?
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22:15<abrotman>wissem: aptitude install gnome .. does it want to install anything ?
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22:18<wissem>abrotman, it tells me that it will remove some packages ffmpeg gdm gdm-themes...and it willl keeps others
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22:18<wissem>and leave gnome recommends network-manager-gnome unresolved
22:18<wissem>should i say yes ?
22:18<abrotman>sounds like you didn't finish your full-upgrade
22:19<wissem>yes i have a really bad connection
22:19<wissem>it was stopped two times
22:19<wissem>but this time it was able to finish at 100%
22:20<abrotman>you can also use to show us the output
22:20<wissem>for which command ?
22:20<abrotman>anything you want to show us
22:21<wissem>i m lost here
22:22<wissem>i think i ll just say yes for installing gnome
22:22<wissem>that might work
22:22<abrotman>or try to finish the full-upgrade first
22:22<wissem>how ?
22:23<wissem>re launched again ?
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22:25<wissem>abrotman ping
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22:26<abrotman>did you use aptitude or apt-get?
22:26<wissem>apt-get install apt dpkg aptitude && apt-get dist-upgrade
22:27<abrotman>so .. apt-get update;apt-get full-upgrade
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22:29<wissem>thanks :)
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22:32<jthill>I think they changed the name of that for some reason.
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22:32<jthill>don't remember why, but it's not full-upgrade now
22:33<monochrome>i was just reading this
22:33<jthill>that's it. full-upgrade is an aptitude command
22:34<abrotman>i said that
22:34<monochrome>sry i popped in late
22:35<monochrome><- n00b
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22:36<jthill>oh boy. am I missing something right in front of me? Isee your last as
22:36<jthill>so .. apt-get update;apt-get full-upgrade
22:36<abrotman>for him ..
22:37<monochrome>i was just curious if that applied to me with squeeze, i built "new" main workstation and switched to debian
22:37<monochrome>i usually dont do upgrades
22:37<monochrome>i prefer fresh install
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22:40<kop>monochrome: Debian upgrades nicely, if you follow the release notes.
22:40<monochrome>kop: yeah, its just an old habit
22:40<monochrome>forces me to clean up
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22:41<kop>monochrome: True. Although the upgrade process prompts you for every config that is not stock, so unless you mess your box up with non-debian stuff you sorta have to review everything anyway.
22:41<kop>monochrome: New to debian? Type "/msg dpkg overview" in your irc client.
22:42<monochrome>kop: and over time i collect packages i never use, etc. home dir gets messy, i just like to wipe it clean and take a new release fresh
22:43<monochrome>configs i care about are already taken care of usually
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22:44<kop>monochrome: Sure. To each his own. I find "aptitude search '~i!~M'" useful for checking what I want and what I dont. (Everything installed but not automatically installed, if I've got the command right.)
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22:48<monochrome>i can see myself making an even bigger mess with debian because theres so many packages easily available :)
22:49<monochrome>like the other day i spent hours trying out random games with synaptic, so theyre all lying around still and most wont be touched ever again, i dont care that much though
22:50<monochrome>its not like i'll run out of space, but its part of the fun doing it again when theres new stuff
22:51<jthill>? the packages themselves don't clutter your home, if you want a wipe on prefs and such just rename your home directory, deluser yourself and adduser yourself
22:51<jthill>that'll get you set up again with the current blank-slate
22:51<monochrome>jthill: i wasnt talking about home
22:52<jthill>" home dir gets messy"
22:52<monochrome>it does
22:53<jthill>that's what I was responding to, l guess I just don't see any reason to worry about the rest
22:53<monochrome>for some people its easier to use the upgrade process
22:53<monochrome>i prefer to do fresh installs
22:53<monochrome>thats all i was really talking about
22:53<monochrome>its all under control :)
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22:56<monochrome>i dont like to collect shit, but i download stuff into a ~/tmp dir, and when a new release comes out, i like to start fresh, which involves sifting that tmp dir and dumping old or useless stuff in the process, and moving the rest to archive, thats all. sort of a forced house cleaning, it was just a side note
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22:58<wissem>abrotman, i get this error E: Invalid operation full-upgrade
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22:58<abrotman>wissem: use 'dist-upgrade' instead
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23:00<wissem>launching an upgrade for the third time in two days :S
23:01<wissem>abrotman whats the diffrent between them ?
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23:04<Jankes>I'm don't andynstent BT4 do you help my ??
23:05<jthill>Jankes: is that polish?
23:06<dpkg>from memory, polish is spoken in on (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska ->
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23:07<Jankes>yes I', fom poland
23:07<dpkg>well, arabic is Linux supports the Arabic language. See For help with debian in Arabic, ask in #debian-lb on (and be patient! it's a small community)
23:08<wissem>is there the loco thing in ubuntu for debian ?
23:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
23:09<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
23:10<dpkg>well, shutdown is "shutdown -h now", or ask me about <poweroff>.
23:11<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
23:11<Jankes>you fany
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23:12<Jankes>nie ogarniam :)
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23:15<Jankes>why did not work how to turn wifi wifi in BT4?
23:15<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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23:25<Jankes>good only for me it did not help
23:26<Jankes>whether this channel you can find out something about BT4 is this week dedicated channel
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23:27<Jankes>and if not why?\
23:28<kop>Jankes: Sorry, #debian is only for Debian support.
23:28<sney>Jankes: would you go to a ford dealership and ask them to fix your volvo?
23:29<sney>If you used Debian we would be glad to help you. But since you do not, all we can do is point you to a place that can.
23:30<Jankes>ok and what is debian there any game: P or?
23:30<dvs>sney: actually, bringing a volvo to a ford dealership might have worked just over a year ago
23:30<sney>dvs: hush, I'm making a point; and they still wouldn't honor the warranty probably
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23:31<kop>!tell Jankes about debian
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23:31<sney>Jankes: Debian is a computer operating system. It's based on the Linux kernel and the GNU userland, and it uses some tools called dpkg and apt to keep everything under control. Backtrack also uses these tools, but since Backtrack is made by other people, we can't possibly know how it is different, so you really need to talk to the right people.
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23:33<Jankes>no, and now I can say that get it Chach
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23:38<Jankes>including bt 4 anything I do not want to act just pissed off in August
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23:38<Jankes>I installed it just to break a password somsiada on wifi because I have internet at home last month
23:38<Jankes>and here a great ass
23:39<sney>Jankes: please go to the backtrack channel, this place is not for you
23:39<kop>Jankes: FYI, those who persist in offtopic conversation will eventually get kicked off the channel.
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23:41<Jankes>ok sorry thanks for your help and willingness to explain
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