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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-01-20

---Logopened Thu Jan 20 00:00:34 2011
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00:45<Coburn|eMac>Howdy all
00:46<Coburn|eMac>Any suggestion on how to get Debian to talk to a NE2000 ISA Network Card?
00:46<Coburn|eMac>I mean, will the Debian Installer for Squeeze automatically probe and detect it?
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00:46<Coburn|eMac>This PC is pretty old, it's a 1997 Compaq Presario 4220
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00:51<hi>join #cedega
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01:15<doubleJ>Hello...I'm wondering if anyone has gotten the arm version of debian running on windows phones (more specifically the samsung omnia - i910).
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01:17<jacobjacob>what
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01:22<doubleJ>Windows phones use arm processors. Debian has an arm port. I'm just wondering if anyone has been playing around with it.
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01:22<jm_>even if it would work I doubt making phone calls and such would work
01:24<doubleJ>Well...Why would you want to make calls? Hehehe...
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01:34<doubleJ>Well, thanks for the info. See ya.
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01:49<Coburn|eMac>You can make calls on phones using Debina
01:49<Coburn|eMac>Debian
01:49<Coburn|eMac>It's call Zhone
01:49<Coburn|eMac>called*
01:49<Coburn|eMac>It's an iPhone UI clone.
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01:56<Lantizia>if I add a new file to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ -- how should I number it?
01:57<Lantizia>atm I have 00trustcdrom, 00CDMountPoint, 01autoremove and 70debconf
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02:38<kootoomootoo>Hi! I have connected a PNA device in USB port, but I cannot mount it, dmesg show continuosly "new USB device found/disconnect from ttyUSB0"
02:38<kootoomootoo>How can I access this PNA?
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02:56<Lantizia>Hey when I install openssh-server it tells me a recommended package is tcpd... but tcpd isn't listed as a recommend when you look at packages.debian.org - any ideaS?
02:59<Lantizia>ah nevermind - it's a recommend of a depend
03:00<jm_>aptitude why might tell you more
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03:01<madrid>hola
03:01<madrid_>hola
03:01<madrid_>hey
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03:02<madrid>hey
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03:18<Lantizia>hey you know how APT has remove but also has autoremove
03:18<Lantizia>is there any way of doing an autopurge?
03:18<Lantizia>ah! apt-get autoremove --purge :P
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03:27<madrid>hello
03:27<madrid>h
03:27<madrid>o
03:27<madrid>l
03:27<madrid>a
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03:28<madrid>Hola frikis de linux
03:29<madrid>dios no existe son los padres
03:29<Lantizia>!es
03:29<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
03:29<madrid>me la suda que sea ingles
03:29<madrid>me meto aqui por que me da la gana
03:29<madrid>pyaso
03:30<madrid>what is it
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03:37<Lantizia>I'm guessing once squeeze goes final the sources.list will contain volatile by default?
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04:06<millan>olaa
04:06<millan>criss
04:06<millan>me recibes
04:07<babilen>!es
04:07<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
04:07<babilen>... or speak English in here
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04:09<millan>bw+tubn
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04:16<millan>olaa
04:16<criss>ola
04:16<criss>adios
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05:18<Nikolaus>hello, is there anyone still using woody?
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05:18<Nikolaus>and where from i can get the updates for it?
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05:19<petemc>Nikolaus: woody hasnt been supported for years, there are no updates
05:20<themill>Nikolaus: woody hasn't received any updates since June 2006.
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05:21<Nikolaus>it's then better to update or to reinstall in this case?
05:21<Nikolaus>thanks anyway
05:21<themill>Nikolaus: you'd have to woody→sarge→etch→lenny (and squeeze is coming out in a couple of weeks time)
05:22<themill>a reinstall might be easier, tbh
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05:22<Nikolaus>thanks!
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05:25<jm_>nice utf8 skills ;)
05:28<babilen>jm_: Look into "compose keys" I ♥ them :)
05:28<jm_>babilen: I am using them, but many cool ones are missing on lenny
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05:29<babilen>agreed, you could write your own ~/.XCompose though -- fwiw I have include "/usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose" in there, but am actually not sure if that is needed if you use en_US.UTF-8 as locale (which I am not)
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05:30<babilen>Anyway, i'm off ... Have a nice day/night!
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05:32<jm_>yup, we had this discussion before hehe
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06:02<saleem>do we have openoffice.org 3.3 packages for sid?
06:03<ansgar>saleem: libreoffice 3.3.0~rc3 is in experimental.
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06:04<saleem>thank you ansgar
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06:11<hever>how can I display a file size in bits ot bytes ?
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08:04<msferoz85>how do i update the current version of some software? such as f-spot
08:04<babilen>,versions f-spot
08:04<judd>Package f-spot on i386 -- etch: 0.2.1-1.1; lenny: 0.4.4-1; sid: 0.6.2-2; squeeze: 0.6.2-2; experimental: 0.8.2-1
08:05<babilen>msferoz85: Are you running Lenny?
08:05<msferoz85>yeah
08:05<babilen>You could try:
08:05<babilen>!ssb
08:05<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
08:06<babilen>But given that f-spot relies on a bunch of mono libraries that might be a lot of work, because you have to backport all dependencies as well.
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08:06<babilen>Given that squeeze will be released soonish (5./6. February is planned) I would strongly recommend to upgrade your system to Squeeze
08:07<babilen>I am assuming that this is your personal desktop though -- The process is detailed in the Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes
08:07<babilen>In a nutshell:
08:07<babilen>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
08:07<dpkg>Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list and change lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Make sure you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". See also <testing> <testing security> <squeeze release notes>.
08:07<msferoz85>whats ssb?
08:07<babilen>msferoz85: But I would follow the release notes
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08:08<babilen>msferoz85: ssb refers to "simple sid backport" -- the process of backporting a package from sid to the current stable release
08:08<babilen>Which might work for a bunch of packages and could mean a lot of work for others. If I were you I would just upgrade to Squeeze
08:09<msferoz85>but i thought squeeze wasnt stable yet
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08:10<babilen>It will be soon, but you could wait for the official release as well. I have been running Squeeze for a long time on my personal machine and haven't experienced a lot of problems. The udev/grub2 transitions were the hardest part.
08:10<babilen>!wwsr
08:10<dpkg>The squeeze release is planned for the weekend of 5th/6th February. http://lists.debian.org/20110118193635.GC4061@halon.org.uk . There are still some <release critical> bugs to fix, so help is still welcome. Ask me about <squeeze pool> to see how well people guessed the release date.
08:10<babilen>!release critical
08:10<dpkg>Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php . See also <rc-alert>.
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08:16<Lantizia>Lo I have some software that if I was compiling manually I'd be able to run "make menuselect" to choose what bits I do/don't care about being compiled
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08:17<Lantizia>But I'm compiling via the use of a debian source package - any ideas what the equivalence is?
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08:22<themill>Lantizia: "make menuselect" is hardly a standard thing. Running that and then copying in the output file it creates into the debian package would be the closest you could do; that or just giving whatever configuration script they've got in the source the appropriate options in debian/rules
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08:26<Lantizia>themill, have been digging around to see what part deals with that but I just can't see it
08:26<Lantizia>themill, anything stick out to your mind?
08:26<Lantizia>http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-voip/asterisk/branches/experimental/debian/
08:27<Lantizia>I'm looking in rules - but can't see the kinds of options I'm expecting - or it loading another file with them
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08:28<themill>Lantizia: line 61 of debian/rules seems to be the invocation of ./configure with a number of options
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08:28<Lantizia>themill, I saw that but it looked too short - I guess I'm just adding to that I suppose
08:29<Lantizia>but will need to invoke make menuselect seperately elsewhere to know what the paramters are?
08:29<themill>they surely have some documentation for the build-system to tell you what options you can pass to ./configure, don't they? (even ./configure --help might be enlightening)
08:30<Lantizia>see what makes no sense is it compiles with support for a tonne of 3rd party ISDN cards... when the normal asterisk just compiles for digium cards
08:30<Lantizia>wanna remove support for all the cards ... so I'm looking for whatever says "oh and compile this in too"
08:30<Lantizia>and remove that
08:30<Lantizia>and that configure line isn't it
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08:37<jds>Hello everybody
08:39<jds>Anybody here?
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08:39<loki87>jup
08:40<loki87>maybe i can help u
08:40<jds>maybe. I need helb by building a 32 bit wine from upstream on my lenny 64 bit machine
08:41<jds>help i mean
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08:42<Manstrale>Hi, there's anyone ?
08:42<jds>yes
08:42<Lantizia>!it
08:42<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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08:43<loki87>jds: already install all 32bit bindings ?
08:43<jds>yes all i can find
08:43<jds>but there are any for freetype
08:44<Lantizia>jds, just out of curiosity - why do you need a 32-bit wine on your 64-bit machine? you realise either will only run 32-bit windows apps?
08:44<loki87>jds: take a look -> http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit
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08:44<loki87>section Building 32-bit Wine on a 64-bit (x86-64) system @ jds
08:45<Lantizia>what's the advantage?
08:45<Arrowmaster>Lantizia: actually wine can run 64bit apps now
08:46<jds>i used this guide, but the configure script stops every time in course of missing freetype bindings
08:46<Lantizia>Arrowmaster, cool - i just read that like half a second before you said it :P
08:46<jds>the apps i wannt to run doesn work with an 64 bit wine
08:48<Arrowmaster>jds: do you have libfreetype6-dev installed?
08:49<jds>yes
08:49<jds>the 64 bit build runs cleanly
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08:53<slix>Debian Squeeze. Which kernel version?
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08:56<devil>slix: 2.6.32.XX
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08:59<jds>Hmm
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09:04<Guest922>#ubuntu
09:05<devil>Guest922: you need /j #channel
09:05<mc68040>Lantizia: hi again, maybe it helps to remove libvpb-dev from build depencies, purge libpvb-dev and run dpkg-buildpackage again
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09:06<Lantizia>mc68040, was gonna try that
09:06<Lantizia>mc68040, just figured out how to call up menuselect though so noseying around :P
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09:07<jds>Arrowmaster: yes, all installed
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09:34<volster>morning
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09:43<sret>anyone awke
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09:43<sret>!seen jm_
09:43<dpkg>jm_ <flier@icc.mindwipe.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4h 11m 19s ago, saying: 'yup, we had this discussion before hehe'.
09:43<jmux>I updated my server to Squeeze about 2 weeks ago. Now I'm seeing a "kernel stack corruption" every 2-3 days. Any ideas, how to debug this problem?
09:44<jmux>I don't get any OOPS or anything - the box just freezes.
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09:47<jmux>After the first two crashes I updated the HP servers firmware to the latest version. This box was running Etch for the last 4 years and was basically "rock solid".
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09:49<babilen>how did you upgrade? etch->lenny->squeeze following the release notes?
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09:50<jmux>No - manually Etch => Squeeze, but having a look at the release notes.
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09:52<babilen>that might not have been the best idea, you shouldn't skip releases when you upgrade. Could you repeat the upgrade procedure from backups?
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09:54<fnmueller>upgrading from ultraold to ultranew seems a bit odd anyways
09:55<fnmueller>but then again, both are not oficially supported anymore / yet ;-)
09:55<fnmueller>+f
09:55<babilen>hehe
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09:56<sret>hi baib
09:56<sret>babilen:
09:57<babilen>o/
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10:00<sakrayaami>hello :)
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10:01<sakrayaami>have someone tried the new xafce 4.8
10:01<sakrayaami>have someone tried the new *xfce 4.8
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10:01<babilen>!anyone
10:01<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
10:02<sakrayaami>sorry have anyone tried the new XFCE 4.8
10:02<babilen>sakrayaami: Not packaged for Debian (yet) -- Try #xfce on irc.freenode.net
10:02<babilen>,versions xfce4
10:02<judd>Package xfce4 on i386 -- etch: 4.3.99.2; etch-backports: 4.4.2~bpo40+2; lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; sid: 4.6.2; squeeze: 4.6.2
10:03*LotR wonders why squeeze comes after sid
10:04<sakrayaami>i see
10:04<babilen>LotR: sid is destructive (even for alphabetic sort)
10:04<LotR>heh
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10:05<babilen>no idea though, themill might know
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10:06<sakrayaami>my current version of xfce is 4.4.2 and im using Debian Lenny, do you know how can i upgrade to the latest version
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10:06<sakrayaami>btw im very happy with my debian running with XFCE its lightning fast :)
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10:06<babilen>sakrayaami: You can easily upgrade to 4.6.1.1 rom backports, or just upgrade to Squeeze (the next release) right away, given that it will be released soon. What do you prefer?
10:07<babilen>s/rom/from
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10:07<sakrayaami>i prefer to stay on lenny
10:07<babilen>!bdo
10:07<sakrayaami>and upgrade only XFCE
10:07<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905
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10:07<babilen>sakrayaami: Read the instructions, make the changes detailed in there and then run "aptitude -t lenny-backports install xfce4"
10:08<sakrayaami>i have the backports already configured
10:08<sakrayaami>thank you i will try this
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10:08<babilen>wonderful, then proceed to the upgrade right away. :)
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10:10<sakrayaami>im upgrating in the moment
10:10<sakrayaami>any idea when the new xfce 4.8
10:10<sakrayaami>will be ported to debian
10:11<babilen>sakrayaami: I am not sure when 4.8 will be packaged, but it'll be available (probably just in squeeze-backports, wheezy and sid) eventually. You could file a wishlist bug against xfce4 to note that a new upstream release is available. But I think that the XFCE maintainers <pkg-xfce-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org> are already aware of that
10:11<babilen>So, be patient ... :)
10:11<sakrayaami>:) i will :)
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10:13<babilen>sakrayaami: You could ask in #debian-xfce, but I think that they will just answer: "We will work on it, but are currently busy with the upcoming release that includes 4.6.*. So be patient and thanks for using XFCE"
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10:18<sakrayaami>the upgrade of XFCE was successful thank you for your help :)
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10:22<babilen>sakrayaami: You are welcome.
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10:22<babilen>sakrayaami: You could ask in #debian-xfce, but I think that they will just answer: "We will work on it, but are currently busy with the upcoming release that includes 4.6.*. So be patient and thanks for using XFCE"
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10:22<babilen>sakrayaami: ^^^^ I said that shortly after you left
10:24<sakrayaami>thanks again
10:24<sakrayaami>i will ask them :)
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10:25<sakrayaami>there are 4 people in #debian-xfce "_"
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10:27<babilen>i was one :) You might want to take a look at the mailing list archive ... but you'll have to wait anyway, but that might give you an idea.
10:28<babilen>sakrayaami: It is quie a specific channel among the #debian- channel ... But I would think that the XFCE maintainer hang out in there
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10:51<criss>ola
10:52<kop>criss: Hello.
10:52<criss>ola
10:52<kop>!es
10:52<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
10:52<criss>aaa
10:52<criss>hello
10:53<criss>olaa
10:53<criss>estas??
10:53<kop>!es-social
10:53<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
10:53<kop>criss: You have a question? Just ask.
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10:57<cris>ola
10:57<devil>*sigh*
10:58<zem_>XD
10:58<cris>olaa
10:58<cris>xd
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10:58<cris>puff que lio
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10:59<cris>oolaaa
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10:59<devil>cris: stop it, please
10:59<cris>que dices
11:00<cris>esq es la primera vez que entro
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11:00<devil>you got me
11:00<cris>in spanish plis
11:00<devil>no, this is an english channel
11:00<devil>!es
11:00<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:00<cris>oke
11:00<cris>ok
11:01<devil>^ there is your spanish channel
11:01<kop>devil: I tried that. He seems to be ignoring us.
11:01<devil>kop: yeah, seen that
11:02<cris>no entiendo
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11:02<cris>olaaa
11:03<cris>estas
11:03<cris>ola
11:03<kop>!ops cris is offtopic
11:03<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: kop complains about: cris is offtopic
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11:03<cris>ola
11:04<cris>ola
11:04<cris>estas
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11:05<devil>got bored
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11:08<cris>ola
11:08<babilen>!es-social cris
11:08<dpkg>cris: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
11:08<babilen>*sigh*
11:09<cris>no
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11:09<cris>ola
11:10<cris>ya e entrado
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11:10<cris>no ay nadie
11:11<cris>ola
11:11<cris>ola
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11:13<cris>oloa
11:13<cris>ola
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11:14<themill>cris: please play elsewhere
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11:16<RichiH>i like how he tried to circumvent it with a rjeoin
11:16<RichiH>rejoin, too
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11:34<htraki>Hi, I just installed Debian squeeze with RC1 installer. Maybe I found the key to the #bug 609201
11:34<htraki>It is gvfs-fuse releated
11:34<kop>htraki: Write 609201@bugs.debian.org and tell them.
11:34<htraki>ok
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12:34<jds>...
12:34<ghassen>how to know who is connected to your computer?
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12:35<babilen>"who" maybe?
12:35<Black_Prince>netstat -tun for all ports, 'who' or 'w' for ssh connections
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12:36<Miguel>ola
12:36<Miguel>ola
12:36<Miguel>ola
12:36<Miguel>ola
12:36<Miguel>ola
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12:37<ghassen>Black_Prince, I mean I want the ip of whoever is connected to my adhoc
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12:38<Black_Prince>err
12:38<Black_Prince>have you tried netstat -ntu ?
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12:39<ghassen>yes it got all the ips
12:39<ghassen>but not one of them is of the adhoc
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12:39<Black_Prince>what's adhoc?
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12:39<ghassen>wifi connection
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12:40<ghassen>I got a pc which I don't have a monitor for it
12:40<ghassen>I want to connect to it
12:40<ghassen>any ideas?
12:41<ghassen>the without screen pc , got a wifi on it
12:41<Black_Prince>you need an access point
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12:41<ghassen>i wanted to connect it with another laptop
12:41<ghassen>an adhoc could be a solution
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12:42<zem_>you don't have monitor for it in general, or you can't connect a monitor to it even for config?
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12:42<ghassen>it's an access point but pc + pc
12:43<ghassen>zem, it's just a pc, without a monitor, I forgot to bring it with me
12:43<ghassen>zem_,
12:43<ghassen>any james bond to propose a solution
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12:44<Black_Prince>net cards are very cheap today
12:44<zem_>it's kind of hard to configure a pc without a monitor
12:44<zem_>http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/AdHoc
12:45<ghassen>Black_Prince, zem_ it happens that I forgot the monitor elsewhere
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12:45<ghassen>I'm able to open it and that's it
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12:45<Black_Prince>you don't have any other monitor?
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12:45<ghassen>hoping to connect to my adhoc auto
12:46<ghassen>Black_Prince, it happens
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12:46<ghassen>not here
12:46<Black_Prince>well, It is going to be really hard
12:46<zem_>ghassen: do you have a router?
12:47<ghassen>no just 3G usb stick
12:47<zem_>do you at least have a utp cable?
12:47<zem_>(do both pcs even have network cards?
12:48<ghassen>if I could create an AP from my laptop wifi card
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12:48<Black_Prince>That is not problem, problem is how to setup other pc to connect to that AP
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12:49<ghassen>I guess he connect to it automatically if I restart it
12:49<zem_>are both machines runing debian?
12:50<ghassen>plus that AP should be without a password
12:50<ghassen>no the other is mac
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12:50<ghassen>on ubuntu and one mac
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12:51<ghassen>how can I turn my wifi card into AP?
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12:51<babilen>ghassen: Follow the instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/AdHoc and ask in #ubuntu (no idea if/how it works on Ubuntu)
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12:52<retrospectacus>ghassen, many cards do not support that
12:52<ghassen>well that what i'm afraid from
12:53<ghassen>my card is intel, generally intel sucks in wifi and Vcards
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12:54<retrospectacus>the command is something like iwconfig wlan0 mode master
12:55<retrospectacus>further help may be found in your OS channel
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12:57<babilen>still, Ubuntu ... *shrug*
12:57<retrospectacus>yeah who knows about that Canonicalsoup
12:57<babilen>I don't :-\
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12:58<babilen>!tell ghassen -about ubuntu
12:58<Black_Prince>I switched to debian when I saw 10.04 ... especially server ...
12:59<babilen>ghassen: I would assume that the instruction on the Debian wiki work for Ubuntu as well, but ask them, they'll know and we don't support Ubuntu in here. But who knows, it might actually work
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13:01<zem_>i think that what he tries is pointless unless there is a way to blindly tell mac to connect to adhoc network (i don't know anything about macs)
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13:02<ghassen>well it happens when 1st started using linux, I began with ubuntu, and I've never changed it since, it's not like I don't like debian,
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13:02<ghassen>ubuntu is the little child of debian
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13:03<ghassen>thank u guys any way, I'll it out now :)
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13:04<retrospectacus>GL
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13:11<sret>anyone knows what settings i need in tightvnc so i can enable keyboard support in my remote machine(windows)
13:11<sret>the remote machine is a laptop
13:12<sret>as of now all i get is random letters when i use the keyboard
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13:15<sney`>my Lenny box has a weird behaviour with the wifi - a few times a day, the NIC resets and doesn't pick the connection back up.
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13:16<sney`>I have a cron job to fix it every hour, but I'm wondering if there's a better way to monitor it, something that could detect the connection drop and fix it right away
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13:41<dennis_p>How can you easily adjust Gamma for the standard Debian Squeeze desktop?
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13:45<dennis_p>While normal stuff on the old CRT is readavle the darks have blended together and most movies and pictures require gamma increase beyond to see the dark parts.
13:45<dennis_p>While normal stuff on the old CRT is readable the darks have blended together and most movies and pictures require gamma increase beyond to see the dark parts.
13:46<dennis_p>VLC does this great, but most apps don't have gamma adjust so i need a system wide slider
13:46<sney`>don't most monitors have that?
13:47<dennis_p>yeah, but as I said the crt is too old :-)
13:47<yeedl>hmmm, is there anything special i need to do to get rdesktop working under debian running vbox? seems i cant get sound redirect to work at all. confused about why not, since sound works dandy in my debian session. just doesnt seem to pass thru to rdesktop
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13:47<yeedl>err vbox running debian. its a windows host.
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14:09<iaj_>lo there im just installing debian on a virtual server which I mainly want to use for irssing.. but mb as well for hosting a website.. shall I chose Debian 5.0 - LAMP or Debian 5.0 LAMP 64 bit
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14:10<iaj_>Anyone able to lend me a hand - is it wise to chose 64 bit ?
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14:11<bartm>iaj_, sure why not 64 bit
14:12<catsup>unless you think you might want to run some non-debian 32bit binaries, use 64bit
14:12<catsup>s/think you might/know you will/
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14:13<bartm>and even then it's still possible to run 32 bit binaries in a chroot
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14:15<iaj_>im mainly gonna run irssi,vim,screen
14:15<iaj_>that's about it :D
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14:15<qwd>iaj_: doesn't matter. just pick one that makes you feel good.
14:15<iaj_>64bit then:D
14:15<iaj_>sounds more futuristic.
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14:18<sales>fdb
14:18<sales>oie pessoal
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14:25<iaj_>where do I have to enable ssh access for a newly created user?
14:25<bartm>iaj_, is sshd installed? then the newly created user should have access by default, I think
14:26<iaj_>i can root login.. but not with my new user
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14:26<iaj_>did adduser user..
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14:29<bartm>anything useful in /var/log/auth.log ?
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14:32<bartm>iaj_, ?
14:32<iaj_>hm sec invalid user thisfooljay@ from ...
14:32<iaj_>OMG
14:32<iaj_>:(
14:32<iaj_>*shots himself*
14:32<lapfrog>*eats remains*
14:33<retrospectacus>poor iaj_, he was a good guy... a little slow, but tasty!
14:33<lapfrog>lol nice nick
14:34<bartm>look, iaj_ is still moving a bit
14:34<lapfrog>yes, it's called digestion
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14:34<bartm>lol
14:34<lapfrog>and it involves movement
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14:37<iaj_>
14:37<retrospectacus>ghosts!
14:37*retrospectacus runs away to #debian-offtopic
14:39<iaj_>haaha, im a tough one.. i'm used to gentoo mainly - is there an easy way to install irssi 0.8.13+ instead of the basic 0.8.12?s
14:39<bartm>iaj_, there's version 0.8.15-1~bpo50+1 at backports, if you're using lenny
14:40<retrospectacus>,versions irssi
14:40<judd>Package irssi on i386 -- etch: 0.8.10-3; etch-backports: 0.8.12-7~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.8.12-7; lenny-backports: 0.8.15-1~bpo50+1; sid: 0.8.15-2; squeeze: 0.8.15-2
14:41<iaj_>i do... is it hard to install backports?
14:41<bartm>iaj_, easy, see http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
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14:42<Xsodia>#backtrack-linux
14:42<adb>!backtrack
14:42<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
14:42<bartm>Xsodia, I think you forgot to type /join
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15:16<Antonela>hola
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15:17<Antonela>contestame por favor
15:18<Antonela>hello
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15:18<Cyrus>Wow. No patience.
15:20<sney`>never any patience unless they actually have a legit question
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15:38<raph_ael>hi
15:40<raph_ael>i have some issues with network manager on sid with awesome wm, at boot, it works fine, but if there is an upgrade or if i need to restart networkmanager, it disconnects all the time
15:40<amphi>FWIW. wicd seems to work rather better, it seems
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15:41<MeglaW>wicd <3
15:42<raph_ael>here's my paste http://paste.lisp.org/display/118854
15:42<raph_ael>amphi: maybe i should try yes
15:42<amphi>raph_ael: wicd has an attractive curses client too ;)
15:44<raph_ael>amphi: that's a very good point in fact :)
15:44<plon>There is a problem with the x-server:
15:44<plon>...:~# Kwrite / etc / apt / sources.list
15:44<plon>kwrite: cannot connect to X server
15:44<plon>In addition, inhibits the environment. Once due to a double error KDE has blocked some (can not remember what (((() application X and everything was ok.
15:44<plon>Sorry for bad English
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15:44<amphi>raph_ael: it is indeed
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15:45<amphi>raph_ael: the gui thing has 'tray' support, I believe - I have no tray myself
15:45<raph_ael>amphi: thanks for helping, i'm installing it
15:46<raph_ael>i'm bored with windows like error message
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15:47<amphi>"a device attached to the system is not functioning" - that sort of thing, you mean? ;)
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15:55<raph_ael>amphi: things like (wlan0): deactivating device (reason: 0). ;)
15:56<amphi>oh, reason 0
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15:56<raph_ael>very clear
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15:56<raph_ael>amphi: wicd works great
15:57<amphi>it does seem to
15:57<raph_ael>i've just installed it
15:58<amphi>I've used it for a while, and it hasn't misbehaved yet
16:00<raph_ael>great thing is i can add my own dns, i had no solutions with nm-applet and dhcp
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16:05<raph_ael>amphi: thanks again and have a good day
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16:28<hello>hey having problems with ./makedrv could someone take a look and tell me where the mistake is pls ?!
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16:39<retrospectacus>oops
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17:27<prozac>hi! i have a little problem with my network. i am connected to the internet with my wireless lan card. and to the intranet with my wired lan card. if both are activated i am not connected to the internet. i think my computer tries to connect to the internet via my wired card. is there any solution to fix that?
17:29<petemc>prozac: dont have a gateway on the lan interface
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17:32<retrospectacus>prozac: it could also be fixed by fiddling with the kernel routing table
17:32<retrospectacus>prozac: man route
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17:35<prozac>thx
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17:42<Flimzy>I'm having trouble with the ath5k driver with linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5 on an i386 system. When trying to load the ath5k driver, I get "ath5k: probe of 0000:01:00.0 failed with error -11" (full output at http://pastebin.com/r9XdMUSg)
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17:44<weedeater64>I've been trying to learn some new, old tricks.. I got mc and was poking around. I've had a nautilus connection to our remote webspace..and managed to login with mc , then tried on the command line to ftp, figured that out. but..
17:46<weedeater64>In mc, when you go to the help page and it talks about ftp link, it says you can browse to a
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17:47<streuner_>Flimzy: hm, seems not Debian spezific according to the results of google
17:48<Flimzy>streuner_: Perhaps not... altho google also doesn't have a clue how to solve the problem... heh
17:48<Flimzy>I'm in the process of building 2.3.37 to see if that helps.
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17:51<weedeater64>xchat
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17:53<weedeater64>OK, mc says you can browse to a folder, that is the remote machine, but I can not find that folder
17:53<retrospectacus>parse error
17:53<@Ganneff>press f9, select left or right menu, select ftp link or shell link
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17:54<weedeater64>Ya, I got that, and it works
17:54<weedeater64>But looking at the help, mc says something about a file/dir you can browse to ...
17:55<@Ganneff>what?
17:56<weedeater64>Hang on, I'll put up a screeshot...
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17:57<streuner_>Flimzy: hm, so you are sure that changes are in .37?
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17:58<Flimzy>streuner_: No, I'm not sure. The change log shows a number of ath5k-related changes... none of them are obviously related to my problem, tho.
17:58<streuner_>Flimzy: about ath5?
17:58<streuner_>Flimzy: /msg dpkg madwifi
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17:59<Flimzy>madwifi is full of bugs and no longer supported... that's the reason I'm trying ath5k.
17:59<Flimzy>I think they removed madwifi from Debian after lenny
18:00<streuner_>read the factoid more carefully :-)
18:00<Flimzy>If I can't get ath5k to work, then I'll be forced to stick with madwifi... but that will be sad, b/c it gives me lots of problems, too.
18:01<weedeater64>Screen shot, from mc's help page on ftp http://members.cox.net/jeff_pugh/images/mc.png
18:01<Flimzy>Well, I was speaking from memory, but after reading the factoid, it seems my memory was accurate... heh
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18:02<weedeater64>I can connect through the ftp link window, but I was wondering about this dir/file mentioned in the help page
18:02<streuner_>ok, madwifi was developed by atheros devels...
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18:03<streuner_>ath5 too...
18:03<@Ganneff>weedeater64: how about doing exactly what it tells you? TYPE "cd /#ftp:machine/dir" (without the "")
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18:03<weedeater64>I noticed when connected to remote host and navigate to higher dir, it puts me in /etc regardless of where I was to start..
18:04<weedeater64>Make sense?
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18:04<@Ganneff>no
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18:13<weedeater64>I'm a dufas, I've got it now.. I was trying to type that into the pop-up ftp link.. rather than the prompt..
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18:14<weedeater64>sorry
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18:35<duckmanito>hi everybody
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18:36<retrospectacus>good day sir
18:36<duckmanito>i have a question :O
18:36<duckmanito>i have a debian acting like a router/firewall
18:37<duckmanito>and for some reason... when i restart the nics my /etc/resolv.conf is replaced
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18:37<duckmanito>how do i force it to stay untouched?
18:37<Flimzy>duckmanito: That's because you get your IP from DHCP, and dhcpd is clobbering it
18:37<petemc>!fixresolvconf
18:37<dpkg>To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp{,3}/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>.
18:37<k-man>whats the factoid to learn about installing a kernel from source called?
18:38<petemc>!kp mantra
18:38<dpkg>i guess kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an <initrd>.
18:38<streuner_>dpkg, listkeys kernel
18:38<dpkg>Factoid search of 'kernel' by key (14 of 192): #debian kernel of gratuitous change ;; 2.5 kernel ;; _default kernel compile ;; _default kernel of instability ;; _default linux-kernel ;; crypto kernel patches ;; ide cdr scsi kernel config ;; improper kernel ;; kernel build-deps ;; kernel compile ;; kernel traffic ;; kernel trunk ;; kernel2.5 pool ;; latestkernel #del#.
18:38<streuner_>oh, too many results...
18:39<streuner_>dpkg, kernel compile
18:39<dpkg>[kernel compile] To (re)build the official Debian kernels, see http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage . For personal kernel packages, it is simpler to just use <make-kpkg>.
18:40<duckmanito>dpkg, are you a bot? xD
18:40<dpkg>duckmanito: wish i knew
18:40<streuner_>dpkg, what are you?
18:40<dpkg>I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>.
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18:40<duckmanito>oh now i'm scared
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18:40<streuner_>duckmanito: hehe
18:40<Black_Prince>run like hell
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18:40<duckmanito>dpkg, override dns
18:40<dpkg>To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf (/etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf on squeeze), or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer.
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18:43<duckmanito>Flimzy, the server itself is the nameserver, how do i force the resolv?
18:43<duckmanito>Flimzy, do i listen dpkg? lol
18:43<Black_Prince>I use chattr on resolv.conf, none can modify it then ... More info on 'man chattr'
18:43<duckmanito>Black_Prince, nice tip
18:43<amphi>well, more 'crude but effective' than 'nice' IMHO
18:44<duckmanito>amphi, that's right
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18:44<Black_Prince>resolvconf package is my second option
18:44<amphi>& one day, when you've forgotten the chattr -i, it wil bite you ;)
18:45<duckmanito>sorry for my english but.. what the heck is supersede?
18:45<amphi>take the place of [something older]
18:45<duckmanito>oh thanks amphi
18:45<retrospectacus>override
18:46<duckmanito>this irc is so kind (i'm not sarcastic)
18:46<Black_Prince>what's offtopic chan for debian?
18:47<streuner_>dpkg, offtopic
18:47<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
18:47<amphi>#debian-offtopic mirabile dictu ;)
18:47<Black_Prince>fanks
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18:50<duckmanito>supersede worked like a charm! thank guys! and thanks dpkg
18:51<duckmanito>(:
18:51<duckmanito>dpkg, <3
18:51<dpkg>no idea, duckmanito
18:51<duckmanito>oh, you don't have the gay module, i see
18:51<duckmanito>:(
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18:51<duckmanito>lulz
18:51<duckmanito>cya ppl!
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18:52<Black_Prince>someone should send this to bash
18:53<streuner_>true
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18:53<streuner_>its funny, but i dont like qotd much :-)
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19:12<Fred1>Hi, I ran into a small problem creating a debian package... I want to do it "as right as possible" by using lintian, but I got the following problem: I need to turn off an init-script of another package from within my postinst script and re-enable it in my postrm script. Now lintian complains that this init-script (which is in another package) is not included in my package and is not marked as a config file. Any ideas how to make lintian happy?
19:14<Black_Prince>Why remove, then re-add ?
19:15<Black_Prince>oh, sry
19:16<Fred1>I got an upstart job which sets the cpu governor upon system boot. This however collides with what the "ondemand" init script does (set the cpu governor to ondemand after a few minutes).
19:16<Fred1>That's the reason I want it turned off as long as my package is installed.
19:16<Black_Prince>http://lintian.debian.org/manual/ch2.html#s2.4
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19:17<Fred1>Thanks. I thought there was a better way to do this than the way I chose, but I guess I won't get around overriding the error.
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19:21<anderson_ntbrasil>a
19:21<anderson_ntbrasil>ola, boa noite
19:22<anderson_ntbrasil>To precisando de uma ajuda aki
19:22<gfroxel>this may not be the right place to ask, but i havent been able to find it anywhere online. in a bash script when passing several commands in sequence does it wait for the first command to fully execute before passing the next one?
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19:23<anderson_ntbrasil>Alguem pode me ajudar
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19:24<keep>hi
19:24<Black_Prince>!spanish
19:24<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
19:24<keep>portuguese
19:24<anderson_ntbrasil>sim
19:24<anderson_ntbrasil>oi
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19:24<keep>oi
19:25<anderson_ntbrasil>To com um pro aki
19:25<Black_Prince>!portuguese
19:25<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
19:25<sret>ok
19:25<anderson_ntbrasil>instalei a pouco o meu debian lenny
19:25<sret>when i do aptitude-update
19:25<keep>eu tambem
19:25<anderson_ntbrasil>mas minha placa de video num funfa beleza
19:25<sret>i should then do an aptitude safe-update following that right?
19:25<keep>ainda nao sei usar direiro
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19:25<sret>am in the right channel
19:25<anderson_ntbrasil>OK
19:26<anderson_ntbrasil>Novo na area
19:26<Black_Prince>Fredl, Debian policy says "The maintainer scripts must not alter a conffile of any package, including the one the scripts belong to."
19:26<Black_Prince>sret you want to upgrade?
19:26<keep>nova na area
19:26<sret>no i just updated my pkgs
19:26<anderson_ntbrasil>ok.. vlw pela ajuda
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19:26<anderson_ntbrasil>vo no outro canal
19:26<anderson_ntbrasil>t+
19:26<sret>when you do an aptitude update should i then do an aptitude safe-update soon after that?
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19:27<Black_Prince>There is no need
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19:27<keep>onde vc alterou o nome?
19:27<sret>ok
19:27<thrice>sret, only if you want to update the system packages :)
19:27<ladoga>sret: update just fetches current package information
19:27<Black_Prince>there is no such option, either
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19:27<thrice>sret, full-upgrade is probably what you want :-)
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19:27<Black_Prince>there is safe-upgrade, but that is for upgrading package, not updating package cache
19:27<sret>thrice what does full-upgrade do?
19:27<ladoga>sret: it doesn't upgrade anything
19:28<sret>i just want to make sure some of my pkgs are updated
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19:28<sret>because i getting an error when i try to keyboard map for gnome, tightvnc
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19:28<ladoga>sret: then you do aptitude upgrade
19:29<sret>thanks
19:29<sret>and then i do safe-upgrade?
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19:29<Li>oi
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19:29<gandsnut>Has anybody done a net install using a wireless USB dongle device (TRENDnet)?
19:29<thrice>sret, if your intention is to actually upgrade packages, yes :)
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19:31<Black_Prince>gandsnut http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
19:31<sret>ok upgraded
19:31<gandsnut>Thx, BP, will check.
19:31<Black_Prince>look at "What types of network connections are supported during installation?"
19:31<sret>now i have an error in the gnome settings for keyboards
19:31<Black_Prince>sret, what error?
19:32<sret>if i go into gconf-editor, desktop> gnome > peripherals> keyboard > kbd > and here for the layout if i change the value to foo
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19:34<Fred1>Black_Prince: Does disabling an init-script count as altering a conffile? Basically I just rename some symlinks, I don't change any file contents. And if this violates the policy, do You know the "right" way of doing it? I can't use my package with the init-script enables and I can't introduce a conflict (the init-script belongs to initscripts)
19:34<sret>Error activating XKB configuration.
19:34<sret>two cases:
19:34<sret>- a bug in libxklavier library
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19:34<sret>or - a bug in X server (xkbcomp, xmodmap utilities)
19:35<nevyn>Fred1: `the right way to do it in a package is using update-rc or similar
19:35<nevyn>aiui
19:35<Fred1>That's what I do.
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19:36<Fred1>in my postinst script, I use: if [ -f /etc/init.d/ondemand ]; then update-rc.d ondemand disable; fi
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19:36<Fred1>and in the postrm script, i re-enable it
19:36<Black_Prince>wait
19:37<Black_Prince>you say that script belongs to initscripts package?
19:37<Fred1>yep
19:37<Black_Prince>I don't see it in my init.d dir
19:37<Fred1>probably because I use ubuntu :-X
19:37<Black_Prince>oh
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19:38<Black_Prince>yep, it is in ubuntu's initscripts package
19:38<sret>any ideas anyone?
19:38<Black_Prince>sret, why change keyboard layout via gconf?
19:39<sret>then how else?
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19:39<Black_Prince>What Linux(Debian) version?
19:39<sret>based on google thats what it says if you want keyboard to work on your remote machine in tightvnc
19:39<sret>lenny
19:39<Black_Prince>Gnome?
19:39<sret>yeah gnome
19:39<Fred1>Gnome should have System->Preferences->Keyboard->Layouts
19:39<Black_Prince>On upper pannel, System - Preferences - Keyboard - Layouts
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19:40<Black_Prince>anyways, what layout you want to change to?
19:40<sret>whatever gets it working on my remote machine
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19:41<Fred1>What does the machine do at the moment if you press a key? Nothing? Or display a wrong character?
19:41<Fred1>the remote machine, that is
19:41<sret>displays a wrong character
19:42<sret>the remote machine is windows using tightvnc viewer
19:42<Fred1>you're sitting at a windows box and are connected to a linux box using tightvnc, right?
19:43<Black_Prince>you did not tell us, what keymap you want to change to?
19:43<Fred1>i guess it should work if you use the same keymap as on the windows machines, tightvnc will probably just pass the input to the linux box
19:44<thrice>is pinning the best method to keep certain packages from experimental up to date, using eg. aptitude ?
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19:45<sret>right
19:45<streuner_>thrice: /msg dpkg bobbitt
19:46<sret>Fred1: its not passing
19:46<sret>the windows machine is on a laptop IBM t42
19:46<Fred1>if you have the same keymap on both systems, a wrong character is displayed?
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19:47<sret>i dont know if i have the same keymap on both, right now on the debian box its generic 104 key US. and on my windows machine im getting wrong characters
19:48<Fred1>so your problem is with windows at the moment
19:48<thrice>streuner_, erm, thanks :p
19:48<sret>it could be windows im not sure
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19:48<streuner_>thrice: sorry, but i dont like pinning much, experimental is another step harder...
19:48<Fred1>well you're sitting at a windows machine that displays wrong characters, tightvnc or debian is not involved from what i understand
19:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 450] by debhelper
19:49<Fred1>Or did I get something wrong?
19:49<sret>i dont know if debian is the issue or windows, but thats the issue, im getting wrong characters wheni login to tightvnc viewer on my iwndows machine
19:50<thrice>streuner_, I'm confident the things I'm pulling from experimental are fine to mix. It's just that aptitude full-upgrade won't search there for updates without some pinning I think
19:50<Fred1>Could You close tightvnc for a second? If you just type on Your Windows box without using tightvnc, does Windows display the characters you type?
19:51<sret>my laptop works fine without tightvnc
19:51<ladoga>sret: maybe you can change tight-vnc client's keymap somehow
19:51<sret>infact im typing from the windows laptop now as we speak
19:51<Fred1>ok so you're only getting wrong character as soon as you use tightvnc
19:51<Fred1>what's the keyboard layout on the windwos box?
19:52<ladoga>sret: problem is on that side anyway..so messing with gnome's kemap won't be of any help
19:52<ladoga>sret: *keymap
19:53<sret>standard 101/102 -key or Microsoft natural PS/2 Keyboard
19:53<streuner_>thrice: experimental packages are just a playground of DDs, if you think you can mix them, you need much luck
19:53<Fred1>are you sure? it sounds to me as if tightvnc sent the right input to the linux box which then translates them into other (wrong) characters based on the keymap
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19:53<sret>Fred1: im in control panel, and keyboard> and in hardware it says that
19:54<streuner_>thrice: *OR* you know exactly what you are doing
19:55<sret>and the device manager confirms it, it is what i said for the windows key oard layout
19:55<sret>debian box uses a standard generic 104 keyboard layout
19:55<Fred1>sret: If You go to "System"->"Preferences"->"Keyboard"->"Layout" in gnome and then click on the button next to "Keyboard model" you should be able to scroll through a huge list of keymaps.
19:56<sret>right
19:56<Fred1>at least I hope it's the same way as on my box here
19:56<streuner_>thrice: in other words, if you havent a certain reason, just dont use experimental packages...
19:56<Fred1>there you can pick a "Generic"->"Generic 102.....blah"
19:56<Fred1>just the same as on the windows box
19:56<Fred1>try that
19:56<sret>i dont see a 102 one there
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19:57<Fred1>it should be listed under "Generic" as a vendor
19:57<thrice>streuner_, ok, just to be clear, I already am using them fine (just a couple). was curious if there was a better way to have aptitude always update those packages FROM experimental automatically
19:57<ladoga>Fred1: could it be this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tightvnc/+bug/237362 ?
19:57<sret>there's a generic 102 key
19:58<ladoga>Fred1: they say launching the vnc server with XKL_XMODMAP_DISABLE=1 solves the issue
19:58<Fred1>ladoga: worth a try
19:59<sret>ladoga: that is what i have
19:59<sret>it doesnt solve it
19:59<Fred1>are the keys broken in the same way as in the bug report?
19:59<Fred1>so if you hit "a b c d e f g" does it display "a s d f g h j"?
19:59<ladoga>sret: is it ps
20:00<sret>PS/2
20:01<ladoga>sret: sorry. is it possible to use another vnc server?
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20:01<ladoga>sret: i was just fumbling on keys :)
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20:01<sret>ok changing it to 101 key layout doesnt work
20:01<ladoga>sret: they also mention that vnc4server doesn't have the bug
20:02<sret>im using tightvnc, and the tread you read is old
20:02<sret>2008
20:02<ladoga>sret: yes i know it's old
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20:03<sret>then it cant be a bug, unless someone can confirm, as of now neither of us are sure
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20:03<ladoga>sret: in 2008 it was already 4 year old bug according to that link
20:04<Fred1>sret: trying another vnc server is the best way to make sure it's not the same bug
20:04<Fred1>just because it's old doesn't mean it's fixed
20:04<sret>im not going to install eveything and configure again this whole thing because my keyboard wont work
20:05<sret>someone said this very thing when i couldnt get tightvnc working until someone who had a clue worked it out for me in here
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20:05<sret>so sorry, not happening:P there's gotta be a workaround
20:05<sret>no offense but both of you aren't any sure than i am
20:05<sret>so if you're telling me to go install someting new i mean seriously....
20:06<Fred1>that's why ladoga wanted you to test it
20:06<sret>im not testing it by installing something else and redoing this whole config thing again
20:06<Fred1>i mean installing a vnc server is not taking you hours of work
20:06<sret>who knosw how in the hell it is for vnc4server with gnome
20:06<Fred1>i know how it is
20:06<sret>i spent hrs fixing this one and keyboard is my issue
20:06<sret>no you dont
20:06<Fred1>i used vnc4server
20:06<sret>i spent a day
20:06<Fred1>set it up in a few minutes and it worked
20:06<sret>and nobody knew it until someone called jm here who i believe is likely a dev gave me the solution and it worked perfectly
20:07<Fred1>i don't know what you did back there but i neither know of another way to be sure you're not affected by that bug
20:07<sret>are you using gnome?
20:08<Fred1>which is still open, btw
20:08<Fred1>yep
20:08<sret>im on lenny, its ridiculous its a bug
20:08<sret>ok vnc4server installed
20:08<sret>what now
20:08<Fred1>set it up
20:09<sret>set up how
20:09<sret>tell me
20:09<Fred1>i'm not running it at the moment, can't tell from memory
20:09<Fred1>if you have no clue, i can look into this, but it will take some time
20:11<Fred1>go to your home directory
20:11<mib_72yf8o>Fred1: If you can modify the initscripts package (bug report, provide it), you can arrange the script to not start if some file is present.
20:12<mib_72yf8o>Fred1: e.g. /etc/ondemand.disable/yourpackage
20:12<Fred1>hm that could do the trick, thanks for the idea
20:12<sret>where is the vnc4server for windows
20:12<sret>i need a viewer for windows
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20:12<sret>tightvnc apparently doesnt work with vnc4server from the looks of it
20:12<Fred1>will take a lot of time to be accepted though, if it will ever be
20:12<Fred1>i use ultravnc
20:13<sret>i installed vnc4server
20:13<Fred1>yeah
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20:14<Fred1>now you need to set up the config
20:14<sret>note: i have tightvnc instaled too
20:14<sret>Fred1: i know but it doesnt even ask for a password, i think its ocnflicting with tightvnc's configs
20:15<Fred1>have you started vnc4server at all?
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20:15<Fred1>if yes, it should tell you the display it's running on
20:15<Fred1>and you should be able to connect to it
20:15<ladoga>just from memory i think vncserver can be run without any options
20:15<ladoga>if you only want to test it
20:15<Fred1>yep
20:15<Fred1>i'm not sure if it will automatically use the gnome desktop though
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20:16<sret>wtf were you sure of then?
20:16<sret>i tought you and the other guyt were like we know this
20:16<sret>and now you're not sure of this and that
20:16<Fred1>hey, you want me to help or you want to flame me?
20:16<sret>this is exactly why i said i wont do it , because you two werent sure like i was
20:17<ladoga>sret: i told you trying another server might help you out, which is true
20:17<Fred1>that's why i said "go to your home directory" and why i wanted to tell you how to set up a config
20:17<Fred1>to start gnome
20:17<Fred1>but you didn't read what i wrote
20:17<Fred1>so please don't blame me now
20:17<sret>im in my $home
20:17<ladoga>sret: i didn't tell i'd do it for you or even know how to do it
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20:17<sret>go into .vnc?
20:17<ladoga>sret: i'm sorry if you got me wrong
20:18<sret>and go into xstartup?
20:18<Fred1>if it exists, yes
20:18<sret>wh couldnt yuou've just said sudo gedit
20:18<sret>and open xtsratup from there
20:18<sret>instead of click click click
20:18<sret>but yeah xstartup is open
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20:19<sret>ok im in xstartup
20:19<Fred1>this is the last time i tell you
20:19<Fred1>stop harrassing me
20:19<mib_72yf8o>sret: In lenny, you can use this xstartup: http://mibpaste.com/kybIZt
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20:19<Fred1>and be patient, i need to check it out myself (as i said)
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20:20<sret>mib_72yf8o: thanks but no thanks, exec doesnt work
20:20<sret>and gnome-session works
20:20<sret>but that isnt the issue..
20:21<Fred1>if gnome-session works you should be able to start a vnc server with gnome
20:21<Fred1>so you should be able to connect and test it
20:21<sret>i thought that was understood, i didnt say i couldnt, did i?
20:21<sret>we are using vnc4server now, and i was asking you on setting up that
20:21<Fred1>i didn't say you couldn't either
20:21<Fred1>yes
20:22<Fred1>that's what i did
20:22<sret>you did what?
20:22<Fred1>tell you how to set up vnc4server?
20:22<sret>yeah im in xstartup
20:23<sret>so i use the same xstartup file and just type vnc4server instead of tightvnc?
20:23<Fred1>yes
20:23<Fred1>use the file mib posted
20:23<Fred1>see if it works
20:24<sret>what mib posted is old ass stuff, that has nothing to do with getting my keyboard working..
20:24<sret>that is about getting gnome-session working..
20:25<Fred1>jeez, what mib posted was an xstartup file
20:25<Fred1>to get vnc4server to run gnome
20:25<mib_72yf8o>sret: That's a currently used file.
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20:25<sret>#!/bin/sh
20:25<sret>exec /etc/X11/Xsession gnome-session
20:25<sret>this?
20:25<Fred1>yes
20:26<sret>nothing else/
20:26<Fred1>yes
20:26<sret>well guess what
20:26<ladoga> :)
20:26<sret>from vnc4server it works without using mib's xstartup code, just the fonts are a lil bigger but it works
20:26<sret>thanks
20:26<sret>:P
20:26<Fred1>so
20:26<sret>i used my old xstartup script
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20:27<Fred1>and about that bug you were so sure was totally unrelated
20:27<Fred1>it probably was exactly the issue
20:27<sret>who wouldn've thought?
20:28<sret>it was dated 2008
20:28<Fred1>and still not marked as fixed
20:28<Fred1>and the last comment stating that the workaround was working was from 04/2010
20:29<sret>so i can remove tightvnc now?
20:29<sret>or if i do then my vnc settings would be lost the geometry and depth stuff/
20:30<sret>ok thanks Fred1 , ladoga
20:30<Fred1>if you don't purge it, the settings should be kept
20:31<sret>i didnt purge
20:31<Fred1>then nothing is lost
20:31<sret>so i need to keep tightvnc and vnc4server?
20:31<Fred1>no
20:31<Fred1>you can remove tightvnc
20:31<Fred1>you just need vnc4server
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20:32<Fred1>unless you want to have fun with your keyboard every once in a while ;)
20:32<sret>removede tightvnc
20:32<sret>that was weird
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20:33<sret>ok this is scaring me
20:33<sret>i did ctrl +alt +f7 and i should get back to gdm right? it didnt, i get a blank screen and on top " `[[A
20:33<sret>thats it
20:34<Fred1>have you tried the other ttys? my X sometimes spawns on tty8 or even 1
20:34<sret>ok i got back to my VT1 window, if i do ctrl + alt+f7 it doesnt open gdm
20:34<sret>how do i get to my gdm
20:34<Fred1>try all the ttys, if it's nowhere, try restarting gdm (/etc/init.d/gdm restart)
20:35<sret>wats the commmand
20:35<Fred1>/etc/init.d/gdm restart
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20:35<sret># /etc/init.d/gdm/restartok back
20:35<sret>ok back
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20:35<sret>that was weird, what is that character supposed to mean ? `[[A
20:36<Fred1>looks like the character which is generated by pressing the arrow keys
20:37<sret>but i got those characters in a blank screen on the top left hand corner, when i clicked ctrl +alt +f7
20:37<Fred1>hm no idea
20:37<sret>ok works
20:37<sret>thanks Fred1
20:37<sret>sorry if i was a bit rude
20:37<sret>:D
20:37<Fred1>np
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20:39<Black_Prince>Wow, why the hell does gnome-user-share have hard dependency on apache webserver binary and mod dnssd ?
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21:14<aetheria>hello what's the name of the program which lets you control the cursor with a mouse in console?
21:15<cthuluh>gpm
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21:15<aetheria>thank you
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22:25<lee>저기요 한국 서버어떻게 들어가요?
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22:41<edbian>Just noticed I'm missing the gimp icon in my gnome menus in debian squeeze. Is this a known bug?
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23:00<bemlindo>bom dia
23:01<bemlindo>algum br aki?
23:02<bemlindo>i have a problem when install with apt-get
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23:04<sney>!br
23:04<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
23:05<bemlindo>mas ninguem responde la
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23:16<meganINthehouse>how do i join the mint help?
23:16<kop>!mint
23:16<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also being available, based on <testing>. See also <based on Debian>.
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23:18<meganINthehouse>irc.spotchat.org
23:18<meganINthehouse>irc.spotchat.org
23:18<meganINthehouse>:s
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23:28<sney>meganINthehouse: you have to do /server irc.spotchat.org
23:29<kieron_>yeah
23:29<kieron_>i realised
23:29<kieron_>lol
23:29<kieron_>xD
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