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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-01-21

---Logopened Fri Jan 21 00:00:35 2011
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00:10<Some_Person>Is there an Ubuntu PPA-like service for Debian?
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01:13<msferoz85>hiey
01:13<sney>hi
01:14<msferoz85>i wanna install e17 .. and here are the instructions: http://debe17.com/deb_page/deb_install_page.html but i dont know how to add the key. can anyone help?
01:15<sney>it looks like the edevelop.org domain has been grabbed by a domain squatter :/
01:16<msferoz85>oh ok
01:16<msferoz85>so what do i do now?
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01:16<sney>I'd go to #enlightenment on irc.freenode.org and see if any of them know of a 3rd party repository
01:17<sney>alternately, I remember building e17 from source is pretty painless, so you could go that route and use stow to keep it all sane
01:18<msferoz85>never built anything frm source .. sounds kinda scary :P
01:19<sney>I used to work on a distro that was going to use e17 as the default, that was back in 2006 and it was really easy then
01:19<sney>so I can't imagine it's gotten harder
01:19<sney>the enlightenment website should have current instructions
01:20<msferoz85>hey wait a minute
01:20<sney>mm?
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01:21<msferoz85>ok mayeb i am new to xchat so kinda bewildered
01:21<msferoz85>am new to linux actually
01:22<msferoz85>i just connected to freenode .. and it looked like it dc'd from debian serever to connect to freenode .. but viola! the channel continues .. lol no idea whats goingo n
01:22<sney>I think xchat opens new servers in separate tabs by default
01:22<msferoz85>oh ok .. this OFTC thing sis debian
01:22<msferoz85>argh ok
01:23<msferoz85>thanks
01:23<sney>np :)
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01:25<msferoz85>was it elive?
01:26<msferoz85>it says there no channel called enlightenment on freenode :S
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01:30<sney>elive was a separate project but they may know as well
01:30<sney>oh maybe it was just called #e
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02:07<cris>ola
02:08<cris>u`9ug
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02:08<cris>olaa
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02:09<billstick>HI
02:09<cris>olaa
02:09<billstick>ARE THERE SOME BACTRACK USER
02:09<billstick>mm hay algun usuario de backtrack
02:10<billstick>cris?
02:10<zem>!backtrack
02:10<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
02:10<billstick>si
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02:10<Natalia>olaa
02:11<billstick>>
02:11<billstick>?
02:11<billstick>ola
02:11<Natalia>k talll
02:11<billstick>entonces alguno
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02:11<cris>ola wrra
02:11<sney>aki no es canal castellano, no es canal de backtrack, por favor encontrate el canal correcto
02:12<cris>olla
02:12<cris>vete ala merdaa
02:12<billstick>y donde o como lo encuentro?
02:12<billstick>jeje apoyo tu nocion cris
02:13<jm_>!es social
02:13<sney>tecla /server irc.freenode.net y despues /join #backtrack-linux
02:13<dpkg>social: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
02:13<billstick>y para mi backtrac
02:13<billstick>?
02:13<billstick>que canal
02:13<sney>lo que dijo
02:13<cris>olaa wpo
02:13<Natalia>alguno k-?
02:13<Natalia>olaaaaa
02:13<Natalia>neeehhh
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02:14<Naty>k alguien me hableeee
02:14<cris>Olaaa
02:14<Naty>oala
02:15<Naty>esto es una mrd
02:15<billstick>olaa\
02:15<Naty>ola
02:15<billstick>mujeres
02:15<Naty>jejeje
02:15<billstick>como estan
02:15<sney>tienes un netbook nuevo? que feliz. pero sois en el canal incorrecto, por favor desaparece
02:15<billstick>que desesperacion la de uds
02:15<Naty>adios k empiezan las clases
02:15<Naty>adioss
02:15<Naty>ADIOSSS
02:15<billstick>es que en realidad no es un medio para hacer esto
02:15<cris>wrra
02:15<cris>xaoo
02:15<sney>adios si bye bye
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02:16<sney>no hay ningunas mujeres aqui, que lastima
02:16<sney>ojala que las encontras en otros lugares
02:16<billstick>ok fucker
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02:17<sney>como se dice "pwned"?
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02:40<nasutix>i am now in the spanish debian chan?
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02:42<ompaul>!es
02:42<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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04:07<hever>what was the tool/editor, that generated backups in "file,ver" notation ?
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04:13<hever>(like myfile,1)
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04:46<classical>what software can i use to record my desktop ? i want lighter one :)))
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04:48<jm_>classical: xvidcap
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04:49<rmrfchik>hi
04:49<rmrfchik>is there way to get console over HDMI?
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04:55<streuner__>dpkg, hdmi is <reply> HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface) is a compact audio/video interface for transmitting uncompressed digital data.
04:55<dpkg>okay, streuner__
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04:56<jm_>rmrfchik: probably with KMS
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05:17<pleb2>Hey, going to be installing linux but want to use 3.5GB of RAM on a 32bit machine so carnt install AMD64... do I need a 'big mem' version, and if so where can I download it, all I can see on the debain page is i386
05:18<pleb2>!bigmem
05:18<dpkg>For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, if you have an <amd64> processor, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need bigmem.
05:18<jm_>bigmem is just the kernel package, the rest is the same
05:20<pleb2>@JM is the overhead quite large, or not? the server has 4GB of real RAM but presumably some will be lost to video RAM... or would it be worth just sticking with the 3.4?
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05:22<jm_>pleb2: I don't know, I once tried to find how much but I gave up
05:23<jm_>pleb2: you can use 64bit kernel
05:23<pleb2>its an oldish xeon, not 64 compat as far as im aware
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05:24<pleb2>I'll take the 512 hit, tbh I thought if you didnt use the big-mem you were limited to about 1.5-2GB
05:24<pleb2>3.5 is fine
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05:28<rmrfchik>jm_: hmm, I have nettop (nvidia ion/atom) for multimedia at home. No KMS in near future for this ;)
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05:28<rmrfchik>may be framebuffer or magic kernel config?
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05:36<ffws>rmrfchik: nouveau can do KMS
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05:43<rmrfchik>ffws: but can't do vdpau :( this why I use this device -- watch video
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05:49<jm_>rmrfchik: why not use X then?
05:50<jm_>rmrfchik: is mplayer unusable with KMS?
05:53<rmrfchik>jm_: I do use X, but also want to see console sometimes. (btw, I wrongly understood KMS here, confused with kvm).
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05:53<rmrfchik>jm_: does kms work with proprietary nvidia drivers?
05:57<jm_>rmrfchik: no
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05:57<rmrfchik>so, the only way is to use kms?
05:58<jm_>yes, but that won't give you video acceleration
05:59<jm_>I was also considering an ion based system
06:00<rmrfchik>it is good for me, except it's not handy with installation if u use tv with HDMI -- need to bring desktop monitor
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06:00<rmrfchik>plays 1080p well
06:01<jm_>are you using something like xbmc?
06:02<rmrfchik>no, kde netbook and mplayer/xine
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06:02<rmrfchik>and want to get rid off kde. too slowly and jerky
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06:06<rmrfchik>tried mythtv, it's very remote-controller oriented, can't handle mouse
06:07<rmrfchik>xbmc was buggy (at least in debian), can't handle i18n
06:07<petemc>xbmc works great for me
06:07<petemc>i do use latest version tho..
06:08<rmrfchik>packaged?
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06:09<rmrfchik>petemc: does it require remote or I can use mouse&keyboard?
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06:10<petemc>i use an xbox 360 controller but you can of course use mouse and keyboard
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06:12<rmrfchik>Hm, I have unused Logitech Rumble Pad. Well, will try when got back to home
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06:12<rmrfchik>petemc: are you native english speaker? I mean, any l10n issues with xbmc?
06:13<cah_ndeso>help me........please
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06:14<jm_>petemc: so you run it on xbox?
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06:14<petemc>jm_: no, pc running debian
06:14<jm_>petemc: what kind of hardware?
06:14<petemc>rmrfchik: havent noticed any issues with localisation
06:15<petemc>jm_: something i cobbled together myself, core2duo with mid range nvidia graphics
06:15<cah_ndeso>help me please
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06:15<jm_>petemc: aha, that was my second option too
06:15<petemc>it rocketh mightilu
06:15<petemc>s/lu/ly/
06:15<cah_ndeso>my compiz cannot running in my PC
06:16<petemc>i have the xbox controller wireless usb adapter, works well
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06:19<jm_>I was looking at HTPC cases that come with windows media remote, supported by xbmc
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06:21<Rovanion>Can someone recommend a good 2D CAD program?
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06:28<lord_rob>I know there is a good Qt drawing program
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06:28<lord_rob>ask #kde
06:28<lord_rob>on freenode
06:29<lord_rob>I can't remember its name
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06:43<dustin>hey
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06:44<dustin>hi anyone here?
06:44<petemc>oui
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06:46<pleb2>hi
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06:46<pleb2>!ask
06:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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06:48<dustin>hey
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06:49<dustin>pleb2, hi
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06:49<dustin>petemc, hi
06:49<pleb2>hi.
06:50<ost2life>hi guys, is anyone willing to help a hopeless wifi refugee?
06:50<dustin>does anyone know how to remote desktop?
06:50<dustin>ooohh i likey here just my subjuct
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06:51<dustin>ost2life, , whats the specs?
06:51<pleb2>@distin you mean so you can move the mouse on your computer from another? or do you mean have a remote terminal session?? or do you mean you want to control a windows computer from linux
06:51<pleb2>?
06:51<dustin>computer to computer, like gui style
06:52<dustin>im not familar with command line yet
06:52<ost2life>dustin: deb van. using a edimax 7318usg usb wifi device. it can see the networks but is unable to connect to any of them
06:52<ost2life>a problem which seems to be related to dchp
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06:53<dustin>http://www.neorouter.com/index.html
06:53<dustin>this is what i have been tryin to get workin but dont know how
06:53<pleb2>Dustin are you trying to log into a current gui session? (like to move the mouse on your screen from another gui PC) or are you wanting to log into a new 'session' kinda like remote desktop services on windows?
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06:54<dustin>both,
06:55<dustin>for , now to be safe ubuntu, , i tryied my own channel and all i go were nobs
06:55<dustin>ost2life, , and spec of computer
06:55<dustin>?
06:55<pleb2>I know debian, and gnome have a "remote desktop" option to allow remote connections, it has a gui setup screen and when installed you can connect to it from any good remote desktop client
06:56<pleb2>VNC works for example
06:56<pleb2>on ubuntu
06:57<pleb2>its System > Preferences > Remote Desktop
06:57<dustin>yeah ppl long time along (year age or so) told me how somewhat, but i didnt finish
06:57<pleb2>follow the GUI instructions
06:58<pleb2>then download vnc from www.realvnc.com or install xvncviewer for ubuntu / linux... really you should ask the ubuntu questions in the ubuntu room, but as its the same this should work ;P
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06:59<pleb2>or use google :P http://www.ubuntugeek.com/share-your-ubuntu-desktop-using-remote-desktop.html
07:00<dustin>yes, but there noobs , and its been 4 hrs or so and it sees more action in there then the sever room , cuz they took over or something
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07:00<pleb2>They're* and we're all here to learn :)
07:01<pleb2>cept Jm_ ... he just seems to know stuff already :\
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07:04<dustin>yes i dont damn them , just keep it where is suppose to be , how would like it if this room filled to 10-17ppl holding long convos thats supposed to be (pm) or other rooms, then when you post , no kiding 24 sec later or less you post is gone
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07:05<dustin>i am emlight my there partisaption , which helps us linux commutly as a whole
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07:06<dustin> i guess im just been at this for 6-9 hrs
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07:06<dustin>irratated*
07:08<dustin>so how do i do this , with a cell phone?
07:08<dustin>pleb2, ?
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07:13<vr2009>dajiahao
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07:46<pleb2>Guys im wanting to move one of my virtual linux debian PC's to a physical server
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07:48<pleb2>currently the server runs as an e-mail server and has alot of traffic... considered the tar > transfer > restore method, but I'm wanting to know... if I clone the drive from the virtual machine with cloneing software ( clonezilla for example ) and image the new server, what problems could I hit when it starts up
07:48<pleb2>main differences would be that we'd be going To a multiprocessor server, would this matter... or would I better off tar-ing everything, installing fresh linux install on the server, and restoring everything from tar?
07:48<pleb2>comments, suggestions, ideas please :)
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07:51<jm_>pleb2: it probably makes more sense to simply transfer files rather than disk image
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07:55<pleb2>jm_ never done something as complicated as a mail server before, would I have to reinstall all the packages aswell, or will the tar-restore restore them aswell??
07:56<pleb2>im talking postfix config, courier setup, the ssl certs, the links with clamav, clamav itsself etc etc
07:56<pleb2>provided they're not in /proc or /mnt, they should be taken also yes?
07:57<jm_>pleb2: no, copying files will preserve everything
08:00<pleb2>in the past when i've moved stuff i've installed the packages, then simply overwritten the config files you see, with the originals... but it'd be hard to manually do that and i'm sure i'd miss one... so you're saying if I restore the whole of / then it will restore the program files aswell as the config files?
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08:02<jm_>sure, read hard disk upgrade mini howto
08:02<pleb2>even with the dissimilar hardware etc?
08:02<pleb2>*reads*
08:02<jm_>yes, that might require you install a different kernel before you boot it but that's trivial
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08:06<pleb2>jm_ thanks.... i owe you a pint by now
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08:08<jm_>pleb2: no worries
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08:21<AdaptiveS>hey there... anyone done a ppp dial-in server?
08:21<petemc>probably lots of people 10 years ago
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08:22<petemc>i use freeradius for wireless auth, its easy enough to set up
08:22<amitz>I actually have such need a these days..
08:23<AdaptiveS>hmm :(... having trouble getting the "routing" right... tones of site talk about making ppp0 the default route and thus the DNS & Gateway... but NOT to make a ppp0 link connect to an eth0 ip as a DNS & Gateway
08:23<AdaptiveS>fair enough.. if it were networking my own house not a problem.. want to provide access external via phoneline and standard modem
08:24<AdaptiveS>the worst part is the Documentation both sucks and is lacking
08:24<amitz>yes, internet is less reliable than phone line.
08:24<amitz>so a fallback is nice.
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08:25<AdaptiveS>yeah and want to provide access for myself and a few friends to my ADSL connection... ie being my OWN ISP.. however.. what i am lacking is any CLEAR illustration of how to make a ppp connection use eth for it's dns and gateway
08:26<cthuluh>why would you want eth to be the default route when you're clearly using a ppp interface to connect to the internet?
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08:27<AdaptiveS>well nice to see you understand dial IN... that is dial OUT.. OTHER way..
08:27<cthuluh>and by the way, DNS and routing are not that related
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08:27<AdaptiveS>my NET connection is ADSL
08:28<cthuluh>then I don't understand at all what you're trying to do, sorry
08:28<petemc>AdaptiveS: have you tried to configure forwarding?
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08:29<AdaptiveS>atm it seems that everything as such works ... got mgetty in place and working... can for the moment fool it into a minicom connection then drop to let pppd take over etc... and shows up in route list and arp list BUT no gateway OR DNS to it
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08:31<AdaptiveS>whilst forwarding might have something to do with packets .. atm it is the setting of the gateway and the dns for the ppp that is the problem and i don't believe them to be related
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08:32<AdaptiveS>eg i am actually telling it to set a DNS.. and the DNS remains blank
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08:33<AdaptiveS>the biggest annoyance is that the HOWTOs and even ONLINE sites... keep reverting to Dial OUT instead of Dial IN in their explanations...
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08:37<AdaptiveS>i am guessing no help here either :(
08:38<petemc>what search terms are you using?
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08:38<petemc>a common name for what you're trying to do is 'ras server'
08:38<AdaptiveS>thanks for reminding me of that one :)
08:39<AdaptiveS>tried what it is normally DIAL IN.. but people seem to think Dial in is when you are dialing IN to your ISP ... which is in fact Dial OUT
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08:50<AdaptiveS>well so far thanks again for the reminder of RAS :)
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08:55<lord_rob>Rovanion: Inkscape here it is
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08:55<lord_rob>wikipedia helped me to remember the name ;-)
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08:57<hever>Is it possible to achieve a software based load balancing, where the traffic does not go through one server? I'm looking for a solution, where the traffic is redirected and answered from another machine...
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08:59<koollman>hever: what do you want to load balance ? there are many commonly used solutions, depending of the kind of architecture you want. (I can think of haproxy and LVS, at least)
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08:59<hever>koollman, web traffic
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09:03<koollman>hever: I suppose considering the 'does not go through one server' requirement, LVS and direct routing should be fine for you
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09:08<koollman>hever: look at ldirectord (from ultramonkey) or keepalived. both are based on LVS, both works very well, both support direct routing (the loadbalancer redirect the incoming traffic, and the servers answer directly, not through the LB)
09:08<aroa>oola
09:08<aroa>hay alguien acá
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09:11<hever>koollman, thank you currently I'm reading something about your hints. At the moment I'm not sure if I have to handle sessions. Or could this tools also take a look at the session data?
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09:16<koollman>hever: there are ways to handle that. more or less complex. the easy way is to have the sessions shared between your servers (that way will always work). else there are various things to redirect a new connection to a specific server (most useful being the 'persistence' setting in LVS, someone was redirected to server A recently, that same person will be redirected to server A later. unless A is down)
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09:16<koollman>I really prefer to share sessions, and to let the load balancer mostly ignore what is going on
09:17<koollman>if you don't share them, one server going down means some sessions are lost. not a good thing, usually
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09:17<koollman>(you can use things like sharedance, memcached, or as simple as a shared nfs folder, to store session data)
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09:23<hever>koollman, it's one zeo server with multiple zope clients. I'm actually not sure where session data are stored. And I would prefer the shared sessions, too. But the 'persistence' setting sounds also great...
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09:23<AdaptiveS>anyone else handled ppp and dial-in / ras?
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09:31<pleb2>Hi, on the weekend i'm planning on backing up my virtual 64bit server and moving to a physical 32 bit server (dont ask :P) JM_ already gave me some advice about restoring but I imagine with the bit-difference im going to have to replace the kernel on the server when it reboots after the install.. will it let me get to the point where I can do this or will I need a cd-based linux like knoppix to fix it after the restore is complete?? Thanks
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09:44<juping>How can i replace space in "hi men" with "\ "in the file with sed or awk??
09:45<juping>it would looks like "hi\ men"
09:46<vtts>echo "hi men" | sed 's/ /\\ /'
09:48<juping>it works..thanks vtts...
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09:49<juping>seems i ignore the '
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09:56<AdaptiveS>petemc are you still around ?:)
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09:56<petemc>AdaptiveS: kinda
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09:56<petemc>its friday afternoon, im getting myself prepped to get drunk
09:57<AdaptiveS>LOL fair call :)... well Thank you ... YOU Were RIGHT :)... "net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1"
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09:57<petemc>AdaptiveS: so its working?
09:57<AdaptiveS>an Obscure Reference on like the Hundredth Page i have looked at :)
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09:58<petemc>cool beans
09:58<drocko>Hi, I'm trying to build a squeeze EC2 image for Amazon, but I'm having issues getting it to boot. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
09:58<AdaptiveS>Yes thank you... now to Automate it into scripts and init :D:)
09:58<petemc>good luck :)
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09:58<AdaptiveS>thanks :).. and yay ...
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10:08<vmb>hi, anyone with RADIUS server accounting experience??
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10:10<vtts>vmb, what kind of experience you are looking for?
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10:11<vmb>I'm looking for a tested and pretty much straight forward guide/tutorial for implementing radius accounting server on debian, I already tested ciitix wifi (which has radius server) successfuly
10:11<vmb>but i'm trying to implement it from source
10:12<vmb>more "cleanly"
10:13<vtts>i'm using freeradius and "it just works(tm)" :)
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10:14<AdaptiveS>omg how often do you get things that "Just work" :)
10:14<AdaptiveS>pardon my addition :)
10:14<vtts>:)
10:17<vmb>yep, i'm also talking/expecting to use freeradius, which version are you using? 1.X, 2.X??
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10:19<vmb>I'll keep this thing open to check with you if problems appear LOL tnxs in advance
10:19<AdaptiveS>i am new to things like radius though not linux anyone able to Nutshell it's purpose other than i believe it is used for authentication :)
10:19<vmb>its a AAA service, accounting authorization, accounting
10:19<vmb>ups
10:19<vmb>accounting, authentication, authorization !
10:19<vmb>LOL
10:19<vmb>ill be back in a bit
10:19<vtts>stuck with 1.x in production, but any new setup should use 2.x
10:20<AdaptiveS>ah ok then thanks :)
10:20<AdaptiveS>the accounting is for things like Who had Access When ?:)
10:21<vtts>who had access, for how long, how much data was transfered
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10:22<AdaptiveS>ah ok then yeah... cool :)... standard use doesn't really require something like that though does it ?:)...
10:22<AdaptiveS>in the future i plan to do some host of sorts but i don't expect it to be "large"
10:22<vtts>it's a bit unreliable for general use
10:22<AdaptiveS>LOL... sounds like a touchy beast then :)
10:22<petemc>freeradius ?
10:23<vtts>no, hardware support
10:23<petemc>ah
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10:24<AdaptiveS>i'm just pleased i finally got a ras/dial in server running :).. now i can spend some time tweaking it and the associated options :)
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10:44<AdaptiveS>catch you later ppls... thanks for your help :)
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10:48<Jigs>Hello
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10:54<anderson_ntbrasil>Boa tarde gente
10:55<anderson_ntbrasil>Alguem pode me ajudar?
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10:55<anderson_ntbrasil>Alguem pode me ajudar?
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10:58<zumbi_>!pt
10:58<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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11:03<jgoppert>Help, I booted today after an overnight restart update upgrade cycle on sid, and my root parition shows this: /dev/sda1 2324384 2304140 0 100% /
11:04<jgoppert>0 available :-/
11:04<jgoppert>system seems to be running fine but i keep getting a warning about low disk space
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11:08<jgoppert>ahh. nevermind i'm stupid :-P installed a new packaged that dumped a ton of stuff to /opt which is in my / partition guess i'll just sym link /opt to /home and start again
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11:25<HyperDevil>Hi i have a small question, when i install Debian 6 on my server, do i need to re-install when the release comes in february?
11:25<HyperDevil>or will only the updated packages need to be installed?
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11:28<dvs>HyperDevil: You can just "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" and it should be fine.
11:28<kop>HyperDevil: You should be able to upgrad in-place.
11:28<kop>dvs: (safe-upgrade :)
11:29<dvs>havoc-upgrade !
11:29<HyperDevil>thanks, i want to install debian 6 on my prod server this monday
11:30<kop>HyperDevil: Note that it won't have full security support until it goes stable.
11:30<HyperDevil>thats in about 1.5 weeks?
11:30<kop>HyperDevil: Right. (We hope.)
11:31<HyperDevil>:) ok i can take that chance, have a good firewall
11:31<HyperDevil>thanks you :)
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11:33<jhutchins_lt2>HyperDevil: Updates will probably be fairly frequent until then, and will probably stop for a while around the release date.
11:34<Lantizia>Quick Q: When choosing to use LVM upon installing Debian... Debian chooses to use the hostname you gave it for the VolumeGroup name... what are the odd's the VolumeGroup name will magically change if you change the hostname? :D
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11:36<hide>Anyone ever generated/printed Debian CD cover(s) with this script? http://debian.semistable.com/cdcover.pl Why are the covers actually smaller (too small) than they should be?
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11:38<kop>jhutchins_lt2: he left. Impatient.
11:38<kop>Lantizia: zero
11:38<kop>hide: It's considered bad taste to post the same message on more than one server.
11:38<Lantizia>kop: :D
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11:39<jhutchins_lt2>Lantizia: The volume group name is generated during install and would not be changed unless you change it.
11:39<babilen>kop: btw -- it seems as if security support for squeeze is pretty much in place, but i'm not sure how many people work on it right now. at least the technicalities (3.0 format) have been sorted out
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11:40<kop>babilen: Ok. Thanks. I'm not sure how to present squeeze at this "sensitive time". ;-)
11:41<hide>kop: it's not different channel, it's different server so different republic. They both have different people. Besides, no one replied.
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11:41<jhutchins_lt2>Have they come up with a stable solution for Intel graphics or are they blowing that off?
11:41<kop>hide: I said "server". And it's still considered bad taste. Many people are in both.
11:42<babilen>kop: I am not sure too, I think that it shouldn't be a problem to advocate it. but who know what'll happen *shrug*
11:42<hide>Many but not all. Again, different sserver = different republic. I understand if I'd be posting on same server and few channels but this isn't the case
11:42<kop>babilen: I _almost_ want to tell people to use stable and then upgrade, just to get them used to the idea of following the release notes to upgrade. :)
11:43<jhutchins_lt2>hide: He's trying to tell you something. Arguing is silly.
11:43<babilen>kop: hahaha
11:43<jhutchins_lt2>kop: That's still good advice.
11:43<hide>defending own position isn't arguing
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11:43<jhutchins_lt2>hide: There's no position, it's considered rude whatever your excuse.
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11:44<hide>LOL
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11:44<sney>sure is offtopic in here
11:44<hide>personally I don't see anything rude here. Sorry, but I might be old fashioned, though.
11:45<hide>Thanks for helping to solve the original problem, anyway
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11:48<kop>babilen: Ya.
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11:50<maria>ola
11:51<kop>!es
11:51<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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11:51<hide>LOL
11:52<kop>maria: If you have a Debian question you can just ask.
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11:53<kop>I'm wondering if the dbus security updates mean i should logout and back in again. I guess I'll just see what happens.
11:53<babilen>hide: I would suspect that nobody knows the answer, but I would try to scale the whatever-you-are-printing to the size you want them to be. I have never heard of debian.semistable.com and can't speak for them. It is still considered rude to cross-post on different networks and a bit pointless as well. Most regulars are in both channels anyway, and it might be hard for you to handle two simultaneous conversations.
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11:54<babilen>hide: Also: People who are *not* in both channels will not be aware of what is going on in the other channel and might just waste your and their time to give advice that has already been given or ask the same questions over and over again.
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11:55<babilen>hide: Please don't see it as an insult or anything, but this is considered part of the Netiquette. (Most whippersnappers don't know about it though)
11:56<hide>babilen: regarding the problem. Actually this site is listed in Debian artwork page: http://www.debian.org/CD/artwork/ It's the 2nd one. And according to the script, no scaling should be done. Well, I guess I'll find some solution for that
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11:59<babilen>hide: Good luck -- You might want to contact the semistable people about that, so others don't have to repeat the work you are doing now. Thank you.
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12:14<EsaKK>Hello
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12:15<EsaKK>Why doesn't GNOME ask for su when trying to use admin tools (System -> Administration -> Network for example), instead barring them completely?
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12:18<ladoga>EsaKK: hi, it's bit quiet here right now
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12:18<EsaKK>lagoda: Seems so
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12:18<ladoga>EsaKK: maybe try debian-fi if someone there happens to know
12:18<EsaKK>Thanks, I'll try
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12:52<paatos>hi
12:52<paatos>i upgraded debian squeeze to my custom kernel 2.6.37 and mouse doesn't work in X ._. only touchpad
12:53<paatos>will someone look to my .config ?
12:53<paatos>maybe i forget something to compile
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12:54<paatos>it's here http://wklej.org/id/461522/ :P
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12:55<acu>hey guys - daily squeeze netinst amd64 is screwed - the Grub gives a prompt only
12:55<kop>paatos: Always a good idea to start from the stock debian config and modify that. You could diff yours with it. ? It's in /boot/
12:56<kop>acu: You could send them a bug report, or try #debian-boot
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12:57<paatos>kolter, the mouse is compiled in kernel, USB mouse
12:57<paatos>and Xorg loads my mouse
12:57<paatos>(II) config/udev: Adding input device ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse (/dev/input/event8)
12:57<paatos>but this?
12:57<paatos>(II) config/udev: Adding input device ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse (/dev/input/mouse0)
12:57<paatos>(II) No input driver/identifier specified (ignoring)
12:58<paatos>touchpad and kbd works
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13:05<zaytsev>hi folks
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13:06<zaytsev>wanted to ask few xdcmp related questions. I've got a laptop with crappy video card and only vga output running Ubuntu, so I decided to set up Debian box with a "good" video card supporting DVI to xdcmp into Ubuntu
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13:07<zaytsev>first question is where the hell did the remote login thing go? I mean in Debian testing. I had to install kdm which pulled a whole lot of KDE deps, because I was not able to find it in gdm3
13:07<zaytsev>I've seen some suggestions on the net to use wdm instead, but wdm is not there either. am I missing something???
13:07<jordanm>,versions gdm
13:07<judd>Package gdm on i386 -- etch: 2.16.4-1; lenny: 2.20.7-4lenny1; sid: 2.20.11-4; squeeze: 2.20.11-4
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13:08<jordanm>zaytsev: there is both gdm and gdm3 in squeeze. I believe ubuntu still defaults to gdm and was likely what you wanted
13:08<bja>zaytsev: take a look at /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf it should enlighten you
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13:08<jordanm>bja probably knows more, I was taking a stab in the dark
13:09*bja greets jordanm
13:09<zaytsev>bja, you mean there actually IS a xdcmp chooser in gdm3? ok, I'll switch to a different vt and have a look at this file
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13:09<bja>zaytsev: also gdmsetup tool is a way to configure it. Although some config options were removed and you would need to set them up by hand
13:10<Tiff>ubuntu's default is gdm3, not gdm.
13:10<zaytsev>bja, I see an empty [chooser] section and not documentation
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13:10<zaytsev>Tiff, well, the laptop has Ubuntu 8.04 installed, so I am not quite sure if it's gdm3 or gdm, but I do have a chooser in there
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13:13<zaytsev>there's a typo in gdm3 manpage. it's not gdm" it's gdm3
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13:13<tt>hey, how can i see background prosess? i allready know prosess PID=2323 but i want "look" it...
13:14<thrice>zaytsev, the '3' is a debian-ism, not the official package name from gnome
13:14<retrospectacus>tt, its output?
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13:15<tt>retrospectacus: what you mean? i just started prosess in background and now i want look it... you know?
13:15<bartm>tt, see "man ps" and "man top"
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13:16<retrospectacus>tt: google "job control", try running "jobs" and you may want the "fg" command, also what bartm said may help
13:17<zaytsev>thrice, the man page comes from Debian
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13:17<zaytsev>bja, gdmsetup is a joke
13:17<Tiff>gdm3's documentation is sorta sucky atm.
13:17<tt>ok
13:17<Tiff> /usr/share/gdm/gdm.schemas may be useful to see options tho
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13:17<zaytsev>bja, there is nothing to there to enable xdcmp chooser
13:17<bja>< bja> zaytsev: also gdmsetup tool is a way to configure it. Although some config options were removed and you would need to set them up by hand
13:17<thrice>zaytsev, sure, but the project is still just GDM. the 3 simply corresponds to the slot
13:17<zaytsev>Tiff, let me have a look
13:18<zaytsev>thrice, trust me, it's a genuine typo :)
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13:19<thrice>disagree ;)
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13:22<bja>zaytsev: there is a link somewhere on gdm that point to the usefull documentation. I can't recall where it is
13:22<sret>hi
13:23<sret>why is it my update manager shows a warning sign on the top right hand corner
13:23<bja>You have updates to make iirc
13:23<sret>it just wont close, i clicked it and it checks for updates but there are no updates to be made and still the warning icon wont go
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13:24<zaytsev>thrice, http://paste.ubuntu.com/556603/
13:24<sret>ok the icon is gone but i get an error from my repositories
13:24<zaytsev>thrice, there is no point in disagreeing with someone who is damn right
13:24<bartm>sret, which error?
13:24<zaytsev>thrice, and in this particular case it's me
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13:25<zaytsev>would someone who has commit access to gdm3 commit the patch above?
13:25<sret>when i use the update manager to update, it checks, and there are no pkgs , and then i get this error
13:25<sret> The repository may no longer be available or could not be
13:25<sret> contacted because of network problems. If available an older
13:25<sret> version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the
13:25<sret> repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and
13:25<sret> ensure the repository address in the preferences is correct.
13:25<jordanm>zaytsev: that should be attached to a BTS report and tagged with a patch
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13:26<sret>just great the update manager is stuck, the whole window is greyed out, i cant even close it
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13:26<sret>its still got the loading button going on and the whole update manager window is greyed out, how do you shut off this damn thing?
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13:27<bartm>sret, with "kill", see "man kill"
13:27<zaytsev>jordanm, is there a simple way to report bugs in debian? like a gui where I can click 3 buttons and get the report sent? my box is connected over proxy, don't make me figure out how to report bugs by email and submit it from the ubuntu machine
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13:27<sret>why is it im getting an error about the repositories? " could not download all repository indexes"
13:27<jordanm>zaytsev: its just an email sent to submit@bugs.debian.org
13:28<jhutchins>sret: You'll get more meaningful information from aptitude update in the console, but you should pastebin your sources.list
13:28<bja>zaytsev: there is a reportbug program but i don't know exactly if it has gui
13:28<sret>jhutchins: you want me to pastein the sources.list? where is that located though
13:28<jhutchins>sret: That's where the information for new packages is found, repository mirrors.
13:28<jordanm>zaytsev: the reportbug tool can do it without a working MTA on the system if you use the option to have it us a MUA
13:28<jhutchins>sret: /etc/apt/sources.list
13:28<jhutchins>!paste
13:28<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
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13:29<sret>http://paste.debian.net/105308
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13:30<thrice>zaytsev, so the firefox manpage should reference firefox3 for a 3.x version? bash should be called "bash4" for v4?
13:30<jordanm>sret: lines 17 and 18 are not right
13:31<sret>how do i rectify this
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13:32<sret>if i open system> administration > Software sources> it doesnt hve like 18 lines in there
13:33<bartm>sret, try editing the file with gedit
13:33<Tiff>check line 9 also
13:33<sret>should i split those and add it in a new line?
13:33<sret>line 17 has 2 repos there and line 18 has two too.
13:34<zaytsev>thrice, don'
13:35<jhutchins>sret: Sorry, distracted for a moment.
13:35<zaytsev>don't waste everybody's time. check the man page in question
13:35<sret>ok np
13:35<thrice>whose time is wasted? :) you are just quite dramatic for some reason over something so trivial
13:36<thrice>you can be right if it helps you sleep tonight
13:36<Tiff>lol
13:36<sret>jhutchins: i split 17 and added the second repo on the next line
13:36<Tiff>sret: line 9 has same issue
13:36<sret>Tiff: line 9 i see an issue but i cant ifgure it out, is it the same spacing?
13:36<jhutchins>You really don't need more than about six sources.
13:37<sret>jhutchins: ok which one can i delete
13:37<bja>line 9 hast two sources also
13:37*bja hass lived with 2 sources for about a lot of time
13:37<sret>i see that http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian <- this is for what though ? main?
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13:37<jhutchins>sret: Remove backports.org (15 & 16).
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13:38<sret>i thought stuff like iceweasel, etc are in backports
13:38<Tiff>sret: lenny, i believe... yes
13:38<bartm>sret, you can probably remove all lines starting with "deb-src" unless you want to download source code
13:38<zaytsev>thrice, I don't see myself as dramatic. the fact is that there's a typo and I submitted a patch. why deny the fact that there's a typo? maybe you are just kidding, who knows... anyway, it doesn't matter.
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13:38<jhutchins>sret: Newer versions may be in backports, but you want backports.debian.org, not backports.org
13:39<sret>oh ok
13:39<sret>ok
13:39<jhutchins>sret: If you don't know why you have kernel.org defined, comment it out until you do.
13:39<jhutchins>!bdo
13:39<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905
13:39<jhutchins>Bah, used to have the source line in it.
13:40<sret>i added the kernel.org mirror was while i was installing some stuff i believe
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13:40<jhutchins>sret: line 17 is redundant.
13:40<jhutchins>As is 18
13:41<jhutchins>In fact, 17-21 are redundant.
13:41<sret>i split line 17
13:41<sret>to deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ lenny non-free
13:41<sret>i added that to the next time
13:41<sret>ok
13:41<jhutchins>sret: Instead, put main contrib non-free all on the same line in 6
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13:42<bartm>sret, maybe it's a good idea to paste the result so far :)
13:42<jhutchins>sret: I would comment out the kernel.org lines (make sure there are only one each for deb and deb-src.
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13:42<bja>!pie locklace
13:42*dpkg hits locklace in the face with a cream pie
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13:42<sret>yeah im confused
13:42<sret>now
13:42<jhutchins>sret: pastebin what you've got so far.
13:43<bja>Isn't it simpler to point sret to a working file and some docs. or something similar ;P
13:44<sret>http://paste.debian.net/105309
13:44<zaytsev>actually it's really funny, I see some code is gdm3 related to the chooser but there is absolutely no hints on how to activate the damn thing
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13:44<zaytsev>seems to be a real improvement over gdm
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13:44<bartm>sret, line 9 remove http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/
13:45<jhutchins_lt>sret: Remove 15 & 16
13:45<bja>zaytsev: actually it seems so. As allways someone though that striping the config program of some features would help everyone. Doesn't aply to everyone ;P
13:45<jhutchins_lt>sret: lines 6 & 7 add contrib non-free
13:45<bartm>sret, ... and pastebin the result
13:46<bja>sret: Do you have a mailserver running on that machine?
13:46<sret>bja: yes not mail server, just evolution
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13:46<jhutchins_lt>sret: aLSO TO 9, 12,13,14
13:46<sret>how do i add contribu non-free
13:46<bja>sret: no use having volatile on it unless you are ussing spamassassin which would be more apropiate on the server
13:47<bartm>sret, also read "man sources.list" when you have some spare time
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13:47<jhutchins_lt>sret: just add the words contrib and non-free so it reads main contrib non-free - space seperated.
13:48<sret>so in 6 i add contrib
13:48<sret>and in 7 i add contrib non-free?
13:48<Tiff>main contrib non-free
13:48<Tiff>at the end
13:48<Tiff>line 15 is then redundant
13:49<sret>ok i add main contrib non-free to both 6 and 7?
13:49<bartm>sret, you can probably remove all lines starting with "deb-src" unless you want to download source code
13:49<Tiff>line 9 still has two source issue
13:49<sret>bartm: source code for pkgs? yeah
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13:50<sret>http://paste/debian.net/105310
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13:51<bartm>sret, you meant http://paste.debian.net/105310
13:51<sret>right
13:52<Tiff>looks ok, do you need volatile?
13:52<sret>yes
13:52<jhutchins_lt>sret: line 9, delete lenny from the end, add contrib non-free
13:52<bartm>sret, line 9 should end with "lenny main"
13:52<Tiff>add contrib and non-free to end of security lines too
13:52<sret>line ends with main lenny
13:52<retrospectacus>should be lenny main
13:53<bartm>sret, or better, with "lenny main contrib non-free"
13:53<retrospectacus>yes probably
13:53<jhutchins_lt>bartm: No, lenny by itself is wrong, <src> lenny/updates main contrib non-free
13:53<Tiff>lenny doesn't need to be there at all
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13:54<bartm>jhutchins_lt, you're right
13:54<sret>so just main contib non-free to be added there? and remove lenny?
13:54<Tiff>deb http://security.debian.org/lenny/updates main contrib non-free
13:54<Tiff>that
13:55<sret>thats what i have now
13:55<jhutchins_lt>sret: Still need to add contrib non-free to 12,13,14
13:55<bartm>sret, what Tiff wrote is correct, imho
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13:55<sret>bartm: thats what i have
13:56<jhutchins_lt>My source file has a space between the URL and lenny/updates
13:56<sret> so just main contib non-free to be added there? and remove lenny?
13:56<sret>i did that bartm :P
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13:56<bartm>aah yes the space
13:56<jhutchins_lt>sret: Yes.
13:57<sret>oh so we need to space it out from http// lenny/updates main ..
13:57<Tiff>jhutchins_lt is correct about the space, sorry.
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13:57<Tiff>i just copy/pasted your line. i've no idea how your sources.list got into such a mess.
13:58<sret>so this is what it looks like now, http://paste.debian.net/105312
13:58<jhutchins_lt>sret: Once you've made the changes, one more pastebin then we'll test it.
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13:59<zaytsev>bjm, well, I finished reading the source code. it turns out that the chooser does exist, but there is no way to run it directly and running it from the login screen is not supported either. that is some code is there, but it's not working at the moment
13:59<zaytsev>bjm, sorry, I meant to say this to bja
13:59<sret>looks right?
13:59<bartm>sret, line 10 should probably use security.debian.org instead of mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/linux/debian
14:00<bartm>sret, since it has "lenny/updates" in it...
14:00<sret>line 9 has security.debian.org
14:00<zaytsev>so gdm3 sucks, so all in all kdm is then the way to go. next question: what about xkb? did anybody get it working?
14:00<bartm>sret, yes line 10 should be the same as line 9 except start with deb-src
14:00<jhutchins_lt>bartm: Right, otherwise it duplicates 7
14:00<sret>just so you know im in NY
14:01<sret>which is why ive selected columbia, i dont want that to be affected
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14:01<sret>but ok i can change it if you tink it wont affect
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14:01<bartm>sret, lines 6 and 7 are ok (with columbia)
14:02<jhutchins_lt>sret: Right, which is why we're working with your file instead of posting some stock example.
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14:02<jhutchins_lt>sret: Ready to test it?
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14:03<sret>ok so line 10 i do deb-src http//security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main?
14:03<bartm>sret, type "apt-get update" :)
14:03<sret>hold n hold on
14:03<jhutchins_lt>bartm: Gotta get him in a root console first.
14:04<sret>i have root but is that line right fo rline 10?
14:04<jhutchins_lt>sret: You want security updates for contrib and non-free as well, go ahead and add those.
14:04<bartm>line 10 should be: deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free
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14:04<sret>odne
14:05<jhutchins_lt>sret: save/close and go to your root console
14:05<jhutchins_lt>sret: We're doing this in console so an error doesn't cause it to hang.
14:05<bartm>sret, now select in the menu Applications, Accessories, Root Terminal
14:05<sret>just one thing though
14:05<sret>what is sources.list.save?
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14:05<jhutchins_lt>sret: Someone made a backup at some point.
14:06<sret>ok
14:06<sret>i can delete that crap then?
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14:06<bartm>sret, ignore sources.list.save
14:06<sret>ok
14:06<sret>im in root
14:06<sret>aptitude update?
14:06<jhutchins_lt>aptitude update, watch for errors.
14:06<acu>I used ext4 on debian squeeze daily amd64 on a virtual machine - and it did not boot
14:06<acu>well the GRUB got me a nice prompt
14:07<sret>dont see no errors, just hit and IGN
14:07<jhutchins_lt>sret: Great!
14:07<sret>current status 1571 new [+668]
14:07<jhutchins_lt>sret: You can now do aptitude full-upgrade
14:08<sret>looks like im well updated, lol
14:08<sret>0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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14:09<jhutchins_lt>Ok, and your update wrapper should work fine now.
14:09<sret>sweet no errors from update manager either
14:10<sret>on my right hand corner i see that warning sign again," a package manager is working "
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14:11<Tiff>it'll disappear, it pops up for awhile after a packaging utility scans the sources.
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14:12<sret>ah ok
14:12<sret>thanks everyone:D
14:12<bartm>sret, you're the sources.list specialist now :)
14:12<sret>now i'll read the sources man page:P
14:12<sret>lol i sure hope so
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14:15<sret>gonna learn some sql to help my wife on something
14:15<Tiff>have fun lol :P
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14:15<bartm>with sql :P
14:15<sret>i dont even know why she wants sql though, she wants to put up an faq for her students at work
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14:19<zaytsev>does anyone have a clue on how to approach this xkb error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/556627/ ?
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14:19<zaytsev>how do you usually set up multiple layouts if not via gnome's keyboard applet? is there anything else that I can use?
14:21<sret>you mean gnome's keyboard layouts?
14:21<sret>it's got like a shitload
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14:21<sret>system> preferences> keyboard
14:22<retrospectacus>!keymap
14:22<dpkg>Lenny users: To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" (use loadkeys for once-only/temporary adjustments). To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" and ask me about <drxx>; gnome-control-center and kcontrol can also be used. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. Squeeze users: run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" for both console and X.
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14:23<zaytsev>sret I mean I log into a remote machine via xdcmp, both machines run gnome desktop, both machines I set up via this same keyboard applet you mentioned
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14:23<sret>you're using vnc?
14:24<zaytsev>sret I am using xdcmp
14:24<HyperDevil>does anybody have experience with optimizing the debian installation?
14:24<zaytsev>it all works fine locally, but when I log in remotely this error appears and I can't change layouts on the remote machine
14:24<sret>ive not used a so called xdcmp
14:24<zaytsev>so I am wondering is there anything else that I can use to switch layouts
14:24<sret>from google its just another X display manager
14:25<sret>yday i was running vnc and on my remote machine i had a keyboard layout issue but this was because of vnc
14:25<zaytsev>sret no it's not
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14:25<zaytsev>basically it's a networked connection to the very same X that you are using locally
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14:25<sret>oh so you're using ssh and X11 forwardning?
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14:26<sret>right and your remote machine is on linux?
14:26<zaytsev>sret no. I am using xdcmp, it's totally different
14:26<zaytsev>both machines run linux
14:27<retrospectacus>sret, it's even more basic. Your X client (gdm) and x server happen to be on the same machine but you can run the client and connect an x server across the network
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14:28<sret>ok but the point of this?
14:28<jhutchins_lt>HyperDevil: Other than the installer team?
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14:29<jhutchins_lt>HyperDevil: Optimizing it for what?
14:29<zaytsev>sret what's the point in using vnc?
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14:29<sret>zaytsev: pretty much get all of my linux stuff in my remote machine
14:29<sney`>cross-platform compatibility
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14:30<zaytsev>sney`, I have no problems getting into my Solaris blades. what kind of compatibility you are talking about :) ?
14:30<jhutchins_lt>Yeah, I used to do what little windows stuff I needed (proprietary VPN's) by running VNC on a spare Windows server.
14:30<HyperDevil>jhutchins_lt: make the system run more lightly, make the OS smaller and make it use less resources
14:30<sret>i'll have to readup on it
14:30<jhutchins_lt>HyperDevil: It's a pretty good compromise as-is. You can use preseed to select a smaller profile if you prefer.
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14:31<jhutchins_lt>HyperDevil: A minimal debian install is one of the lightest default installs available.
14:31<zaytsev>sret, xdcmp is the same but better. it looks completely like if you are driving the other box. no compression artifacts, it's faster because x objects are being exchanged and graphics are rendered locally. it's a bit like rdp if one dares ti insult the name of xdcmp by this allusion
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14:31<HyperDevil>does anybody have CUDA installed on debian?
14:32<zaytsev>sret, in my case I don't have dvi on the laptop, so I've just set up a debian box to xdcmp into the laptop and project the screen to a 23 inch monitor
14:32<ml|_>HyperDevil: you can use the netinst and just install a basic/minimal system and build from there
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14:32<jhutchins_lt>With xdmcp your system essentially becomes a dumb terminal logged in to and running software on the remote.
14:32<zaytsev>sorry, I have to relogin,I wan to see if there are any helpful .xsessionerrors
14:32<HyperDevil>ml|_: i will do that
14:33<jhutchins_lt>I use x forwarding so I can run kmail on my desktop and preserve a single set of "read" marks, addresses, etc.
14:33<sret>so let me get this right if you run xdmcp, you are getting evetything locally
14:33<jhutchins_lt>Same thing with korganizer, I just run it remote to my laptop and use the settings on my desktop.
14:34<sret>because thee's an xserver residing in the remote machine too?
14:34<sret>so there's no chance of a lag or anything if you do this remotely?
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14:34<sret>or its fast only on local machines
14:34<jhutchins_lt>sret: Yes, over a WAN it can lag.
14:34<retrospectacus>sret: you're doing it locally right now
14:34<sret>ok then what is the point
14:35<sret>if you're doing it locally, vnc does pretty much all of it doesnt it
14:35<jhutchins_lt>sret: In my case, it's to have a single central configuration and only one copy of the data.
14:36<jhutchins_lt>sret: Applications like VNC can do simplification (send only changes) and compression that make WAN usage more tolerable.
14:36<sret>what's send only changes?
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14:36<retrospectacus>send jpeg data for only the part of the screen that has changed since ..before
14:37<jhutchins_lt>sret: Instead of redrawing the whole screen it only transmits the portions that have changed.
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14:37<HyperDevil>does anybody have CUDA installed on debian?
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14:37<sney`>!anybody
14:37<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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14:37<sret>ok you're talking about the x11vnc/?
14:38<jhutchins_lt>tightvnc
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14:40<sret>yea but x11vnc is the one what changes your desktop to the existing one doesnt it
14:40<sret>soif some change were to occur here on the server, it'd make a change on the remote machine?
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14:43<sret>anyhow i'll read:D
14:43<retrospectacus>sret. yes but that's vnc talk. xdcmp is a different paradigm
14:43<retrospectacus>xdmcp*
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14:44<sret>is there something i can do with xdcmp that i cant with vnc?
14:44<zaytsev>I don't get it how to make dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-layout to add more than one layout
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14:45<retrospectacus>zaytsev: maybe add -phigh flag to that command ?
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14:45<sret>retrospectacus: i'll just read up on xdcmp and then will get back
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14:46<zaytsev>retrospectacus, nope :(
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14:47<retrospectacus>sret, yeah I dunno about a special different thing you can do, it just works differently. You have an OS on the client but everything is running on the server, but the client cannot tell the difference (besides perhaps lag) - it's not running in a window or anything
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14:48<sret>ah
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14:59<acx0>is it possible to use wildcards in aptitude? I tried issueing "aptitude remove openoffice*" but it interpreted the asterisk literally
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15:02<Guest1102>hello
15:02<bartm>acx0 has no patience :/
15:03<Guest1102>I have an issue with my wireless network. Could someone help me ?
15:04<Torsten_W>why should enyone know?
15:04<bartm>!someone
15:04<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
15:04<Torsten_W>nobody has a crystalball
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15:05<hello>guest1102 tell me ur problem
15:05<bartm>Torsten_W, you don't know that :)
15:06<Guest1102>I have a wireless pci card (Hercules HWPCI-54), and i can't find my network in the networkmanager
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15:06<Guest1102>But I can see other wireless network
15:06<hello>tipe lpsci and tell me if ur networkcard is shown
15:06<hello>ah ok now i know just a sec
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15:07<Guest1102>yes
15:07<hello>need to answer the phone first
15:07<Guest1102>ok thank
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15:10<hello>so back
15:10<hello>1st did u check if ur wireless is hiden ?
15:10<Guest1102>In fact, I changed my modem router (call Livebox in France). I see my old wireless network but not the newer.
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15:10<hello>check if its hiden ?!
15:10<devil>Guest1102: FIRMWARE INSTALLED?
15:10<devil>ups, sorry for caps
15:10<hello>if not iwconfig ?!
15:11<hello>if not reset
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15:11<hello>thats all after reset should work
15:11<Guest1102>no, the ssid is published.
15:11<hello>than check ur iwconfig
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15:12<Guest1102>iwconfig seem to be ok
15:12<hello>than just reset
15:12<Guest1102>Managed, not associated, 802.11bg
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15:13<bartm>Guest1102, try this : iwlist <devicename> scanning
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15:13<Guest1102>scanning give "No scan result"
15:13<hello>**** the phone brb
15:13<Guest1102>reset has no effect.
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15:15<hello>witch version are using ?
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15:16<Guest1102>My router is 802.11n. The wireless pci card support only 802.11g. I switch my router to 802.11g without result.
15:16<Guest1102>I have debian lenny
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15:16<hello>ok..checking for commands
15:17<Guest1102>hello, sorry ?
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15:17<hello>did u tried in diffrent channels ?"
15:18<Guest1102>yes
15:18<hello>hmm
15:18<Guest1102>Actually, I'm in the same channel that my previous network
15:18<Guest1102>13
15:19<devil>Guest1102: it would be nice to know what lspci -nn | grep -i herc says
15:19<hello>it cant be about lspci when he finds others
15:19<devil>still the exact card would be nice
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15:20<Guest1102>Ralink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI
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15:22<hello>it can only be the wrong channel
15:22<hello>reset ur wireless and check all channels
15:23<hello>try 6 or 7
15:23<hello>cuse the most wireless are shown in those at least here
15:23<Guest1102>ok I try that
15:24<hello>if u want can w8
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15:27<hello>other question my sec. laptop has bt4 under ubuntu version 2.6.35.8 cant find driver for rtl8187se... should i change my kernel or does someone know where to find the driver didnt find it in google for my version
15:27<hello>rtl8187se=wirelesscard
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15:32<hello>other question my sec. laptop has bt4 under ubuntu version 2.6.35.8 cant find driver for rtl8187se... should i change my kernel or does someone know where to find the driver didnt find it in google for my version ???
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15:38<skynet_0124>helllo, I'm Guest1102
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15:39<tech132542>hello. do any of you guys have experience with recovering files from a RAID hdd using linux?
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16:10<pirqtqs>holq
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16:19<hello>sry have to post something in here maybe someone can tell me where the mistake is ...
16:19<hello>ifconfig wlan0 down
16:19<hello>rmmod r8187 rtl8187 2>/dev/null
16:19<hello>wget http://dl.aircrack-ng.org/drivers/rtl8187_linux_26.1010.zip
16:19<hello>unzip rtl8187_linux_26.1010.zip
16:19<hello>cd rtl8187_linux_26.1010.0622.2006/
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16:22<hello>can someone look at it and tell me where my mistake is
16:22<hello>http://paste.debian.net/105328/
16:23<jthill>trying to get higher-resolution vc, the grub2 docs on the gnu site pointed me at /etc/default/grub and said to change GFXMODE and PAYLOAD_LINUX. I did that, update-grub2, /boot/grub/grub.cfg has those values sprinkled in the right-looking places
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16:23<jthill>the grub menu gets the mode, but the vc's are still lowres text.
16:24<hello>jthill sry dont understand
16:24<hello>ur problem
16:25<hello>http://paste.debian.net/105328/
16:25<hello>thats my problem maybe u can help me
16:25<retrospectacus>hello: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.35.8/arch/x86/Makefile_32.cpu: No such file or directory
16:25<retrospectacus>is your problem
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16:26<hello>oh right sry didnt saw it in the first
16:28<retrospectacus>jthill: maybe read http://harrison3001.blogspot.com/2009/09/grub-2-graphical-boot-tips-to-set.html
16:28<hello>thx
16:30<retrospectacus>hello: have you read http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x
16:30<hello>y
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16:32<hello>rtl8187_linux_26.1010.0622.2006# insmod gfxterm
16:32<hello>insmod: can't read 'gfxterm': No such file or directory
16:32<hello>?
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16:34<nevyn>so my nameserver is taking 15seconds + to resolve names this is less than optimal.
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16:34<nevyn>anyone got a pointer on tracking it down?
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16:38<Guest1110>Does anybody know how to set up hibernate? I'm having issues getting it working
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16:43<bartm>!tell Guest1110 about anybody
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16:44<jhutchins_lt>Guest1110: Which release?
16:44<jhutchins_lt>Guest1110: At this point in development if it doesn't just work it's probaby a matter of incompatible hardware.
16:44<jhutchins_lt>nevyn: ipv6 disabled?
16:44<jhutchins_lt>nevyn: Who's running the nameserver?
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16:46<hello>whats the problem...i am not running anything
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16:51<nevyn>jhutchins_lt: hrm it probably isn't..
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16:51<nevyn>jhutchins_lt: actually ipv6 might be it.
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16:54<jthill>retrospectacus: fyi did the reordering that blog suggested, the vcs are now blackscreened. it might be a nvidia issue: nouveau gets it right, but it does that even without my asking for a bigger screen so I just dunno what's up. thanks for the pointer
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17:11<Some_Person>Can anyone recommend a nice splash screen for debian?
17:11<Some_Person>(by splash screen, I mean boot screen/logo that covers up the scrolling text, i.e. usplash, plymouth, etc.)
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17:16<devil>i always lived under the impression, text was there to read ;)
17:16<retrospectacus>I also prefer to see what it's doing
17:17<retrospectacus>I know, we're a big help
17:17<Some_Person>Well, unless something goes wrong, there's usually no need to read the text
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17:22<eshat>Hi all
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17:22<retrospectacus>!beer eshat
17:22*dpkg pulls out a fine Gulden Drak for eshat
17:23<eshat>I want to backup my Mails (accesible via IMAP) and back them up on my local machine (maildir or mailbox)
17:23<kop>eshat: fetchmail is the classic solution
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17:23<eshat>kop: is classic equal to complicated in this case ?
17:23<eshat>maybe there is a modern easy way ?
17:24<retrospectacus>the plebian way is to use a mail client and drag'n drop to a local folder
17:24<kop>eshat: You have to type text to configure it. Probably 4 or 5 lines. Is that complicated?
17:26<kop>!tell eshat about fetchmail
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17:30<nevyn>jhutchins_lt: hrm the local nameserver seems to be sad.
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17:34<Some_Person>How do I set up Debian to assume that the system time is UTC?
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17:35<kop>Some_Person: /etc/default/rcS on lenny.
17:36<kop>!utc
17:36<dpkg>utc is probably Coordinated Universal Time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh restart
17:36<Some_Person>I'm on squeeze, and setting UTC=yes in there seems to have done nothing
17:37<bartm>dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
17:37<kop>Some_Person: Did you restart? The time is not set until then, or until the appropriate part of the boot sequence is run -- and some daemons/systems don't like to have the time change out from under them so restarting can be safest.
17:37<Some_Person>Yes, just did
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17:38<kop>bartm: Does the factoid need updating?
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17:42<Some_Person>Debian still seems to be assuming that system time is local time
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17:44<Some_Person>bartm: I ran that, it asked where I lived, and seems to have changed nothing
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17:46<bartm>Some_Person, where and how do you see that "debian still seems to be assuming that system time is local time" ?
17:47<Some_Person>Well, the clock in my gnome panel is showing UTC, and date is outputing UTC (though it claims to be CST)
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17:47<kop>Some_Person: What does "date -u" say, how about "date"?
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17:48<zulu>hi, I need to write an application which check mail and access a database, do you know how I should store the password for them (I'm googling for that for hours and I can't figure out what is the good manner to do it)
17:48<kop>Some_Person: You probably need to reset the clock.
17:48<kop>Some_Person: (The time.)
17:48<Some_Person>"date -u" shows "Sat Jan 22 04:48:01 UTC 2011" -- 6 hours ahead of real UTC. "date" shows "Fri Jan 21 22:47:25 CST 2011" -- actual UTC
17:49<Some_Person>I'm in UTC-6, so this is expected behavior if it assumes (wrongly) that system time is local time
17:49<kop>Some_Person: Your time is wrong. Change it. (Either date --date="foo" or some gui something.)
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17:50<Some_Person>In Mac OS X and Windows, where I have it set up so that system time is UTC, it's currently displaying the correct time
17:51<kop>Some_Person: All on the same box?
17:51<Some_Person>yes
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17:51<kop>Some_Person: You could see what the hardware clock says. (hwclock)
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17:51<nevyn>has anyone installed using the 5.0.7 netinst images?
17:52<retrospectacus>nevyn: certainly
17:52<kop>Some_Person: (Last I paid attention Windows did not store it's time in utc, so if you dual boot you had to have the hardware clock in local time.)
17:52<kop>!tel nevyn about anyone
17:52<kop>!tell nevyn about anyone
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17:53<Some_Person>hwclock is showing "Fri 21 Jan 2011 10:52:57 PM CST -0.406553 seconds"
17:53<Some_Person>And there's a registry setting that can change Windows to use UTC
17:53<nevyn>ok when I try to install from the 5.0.7 netinst cd's using the text method I get a blank screen.
17:53<nevyn>gui works tho.
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17:54<kop>Some_Person: Perhaps paste /etc/default/rcS somewhere.
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17:55<Some_Person>It's Mac OS X that's the pickiest -- system clock MUST be UTC there
17:55<Some_Person>http://paste.ubuntu.com/556684/
17:55<nevyn>where can one download the firmware for intel network adapters?
17:56<thrice>nevyn, which?
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17:59<nevyn>iwlwifi-4965
17:59<Gathond>Some_Person: no different from windows really, where it must be local time
17:59<Some_Person>Gathond: Windows at least has a registry setting to change it. Mac OS X has nothing
17:59<jhutchins_lt>Gathond: Not necessarily. Windows is GMT/Multizone compatible.
17:59<Gathond>right, I read back far enough to check that
18:00<Gathond>what the system clock is really does not change being multizone compatible
18:00<jhutchins_lt>I suppose these days it could depend on the version, I'm most familiar with NT4.
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18:00<Some_Person>jhutchins_lt: lol
18:01<Some_Person>never used modern Windows?
18:01<Gathond>NT4 was the most useful one anyways
18:01<jhutchins_lt>Some_Person: I haven't really used it since then, haven't owned anything newer.
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18:02<jhutchins_lt>Some_Person: I've done support for XP but never ran it myself.
18:02<Some_Person>Wow. I've heard of people giving up Windows for Linux, but not that early on
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18:04<retrospectacus>it's been happening for some time now.. ;)
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18:13<aroa>oal
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18:22<zlatan>hi there
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18:29<gie>hy all
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18:46<thrice>hi :> I'm trying to do an aptitude query for "anything that is installed from experimental' . I'm trying variations on 'aptitude search '~i~Aexperimental' , but it's not coming out right. am I missing something obvious? :)
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18:50<thrice>mm, that seems to pull things I have installed from testing, but also available from within experimental
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19:45<ype>hi, what the main topic on this chanel?
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19:46<ype>looking for instructions to setup a mail server with debian
19:46<ype>for learling purpose
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19:46<ype>learning...
19:47<ype>hi ilronx?
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19:50<retrospectacus>ype: I'm sure you can find instructions online, did you have a more specific question?
19:51<retrospectacus>the topic is debinan support
19:51<retrospectacus>debian*
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19:55<ype>yes, what's a good and easy to install mail server on debian?
19:57<dvs>ype: Debian installs exim4 by default
19:58<retrospectacus>ype, you may read http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison
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19:59<retrospectacus>ype, all "ways" are good and easy, just apt-get install <mta of your choice>
19:59<retrospectacus>like dvs said, you probably already have exim though
20:02<ype>good start... will look at exim...
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20:04<retrospectacus>It's past beer o'clock! Have a good weekend y'all, enjoy your debians and don't forget to hammer down!!
20:05<ype>thanks retropectacus
20:05<mib_9mpb72>ype: If "mail server" means receiving mail, exim is your answer.
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20:07<nevyn>so is MA still the way to do a custom alsa or has it changed?
20:07*nevyn needs like this week alsa + patches for his usb soundcard
20:10<mib_9mpb72>nevyn: What do you mean by "custom alsa"? Do you use a module source package?
20:11<nevyn>mib_9mpb72: I need to get the current alsa release. and apply source level patches to support my soundcard.
20:12<mib_9mpb72>nevyn: AIR alsa is already in the kernel. You would need a custom one.
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20:13<nevyn>mib_9mpb72: yeah but you can also do an out of kernel tree alsa.
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20:17<mib_9mpb72>nevyn: Then I can't help you. MA is good for foo-source to build foo-modules. If you're building your own stuff, linux-headers and make should be enough.
20:18<nevyn>yeah so there's alsa-source
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20:20<nevyn>mib_9mpb72: I'm building foo-modules from foo-source I'm just manually patching it in the middle
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20:22<mib_9mpb72>nevyn: Wouldn't it be better if you build your own alsa-source with the patches and then use MA?
20:23<bepraaa>Hi, looking to set up IPv6 on Lenny...got a HE tunnel account, but can't ping IPv6 addresses ("unknown host" error)
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20:24<bepraaa>Is there a nice up-to-date howto somewhere for moving my LAN to IPv6 and getting it connected through a HE tunnel?
20:24<bepraaa>Tried the config from HE but it didn't work...
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20:31<miles_>Hello, and halp
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20:31<miles_>I'm trying to create a symlink to a file on a read-only filesystem
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20:32<miles_>of course, ln -s /home/file /usr/file does not work
20:32<miles_>Is there a way of "cheating" symbolic links so I could force /usr/file to be a link to /home/file?
20:33<miles_>(/usr/ will be placed on a squashfs afterwards)
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20:35<dondelelcaro>miles_: use a union or squashfs; otherwise, no
20:35<dondelelcaro>(well, there are other more compliated ways, like using LD_PRELOAD, but that'd be insane)
20:35<miles_>union?
20:36<cthuluh>I believe he was talking about unionfs
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20:38<miles_>Hm… That would be insane too actually. The device is a Samsung E60, the aim is to create an alternative firmware.
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20:39<cthuluh>miles_: the short answer is "on traditional *nix filesystems, you can't"
20:40<cthuluh>but since I have little knowledge of them... :)
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20:45<mib_9mpb72>miles_: If you can mount filesystems, then you can bind /usr/foo to /home/bar.
20:45<miles__>Geeze, i hate my internet provider. What did I miss?
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20:46<miles__>binding seems a nice option
20:46<miles__>Binding with… Mount? I didn't know mount could do this
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20:48<mib_9mpb72>miles__: mount --bind /home/bar /usr/foo
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20:51<miles__>okay, that's an ugly attempt to try things out but
20:51<miles__># mount --bind /home/rcS /etc/init.d/rcS
20:51<miles__>mount: mounting /home/rcS on /etc/init.d/rcS failed: No such file or directory
20:52<mib_9mpb72>miles__: Do /home/rcS and /etc/init.d/rcS exist before the mounting?
20:52<miles__>init.d/rcS exists, so the reported error should be about /home/rcS I guess.
20:53<miles__>Do I have to touch /home/rcS or something?
20:53<miles__>or even cp the /etc/ rcS to /home/ then bind it
20:53<mib_9mpb72>miles__: A directory would be nice.
20:54<mib_9mpb72>miles__: Then you can choose the contents.
20:54<miles__>bind a directory on a directory?
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20:55<mib_9mpb72>miles__: For full explanation, man mount. Search bind.
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20:55<miles__>So, let say I mount --bind /home/rcS/ /etc/init.d/
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20:55<miles__>aw. sorry, new to this. :D
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21:30<miles_>Can't get it to work. Created the correct entry in a brand new /etc/fstab. mount --bind runs with no error reported, no output, but nothing changes on the device
21:33<miles_>Oh wait. It works. But reversed.
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21:55<acu>I use squeeze proftpd and apache - and I want to give specific users access to specific websites in /var/www - I have a bit of a challenge of how should I configure the access at folder level e.g. /var/www/mysite1 /var/www/mysite2 to user1 and user2 - can anyone sugest a way so both www-data and the user had appropriate rights so s/he can change through ftp the /var/www/mysite ?
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22:49<detly>I have a (possibly dying) hard drive with an ntfs partition on it... I've recovered the data with gddrescue, and I can read files from the partition inside (yay), but now I'd like to check for bad blocks on the device itself
22:49<detly>do I need to use a fsck.* program to do that? or is there something more generic
22:50<detly>I don't really care about checking the ntfs system for errors, I just want to know what the physical state of the drive is
22:56<amphi_>badblocks?
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22:56<cthuluh>yeah, badblocks
22:57<amphi>detly: you could also see what smartctl says
22:57<amphi>in particular the realloc count
22:57<detly>badblocks... that rings a bell actually
22:58<detly>ah, those look like the tools I need :)
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23:02<detly>is the block size for badblocks super important? given that I'm not using fsck?
23:06<detly>yeesh, I think I did that recovery just in time
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23:40*nevyn fights with networkmanager
23:41*amphi ives nevyn wicd
23:41<amphi>*gives
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23:42<nevyn>srsly... but no ui support :(
23:42<amphi>eh?
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23:42<nevyn>and no desktop integration
23:43<nevyn>NM has the stuff where your network goes away and apps know there's no network so they don't keep trying and failing type stuff.
23:43<amphi>there is an ncurses client, and an X one (pygtk, I think)
23:43<nevyn>yeah eww pygtk.
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23:44<amphi>*shrug* have fun with nm ;)
23:44<nevyn>I think it's a bluetooth problem.
23:44<nevyn>amphi: I'm after more functionality than wicd does.
23:44<amphi>I haven't used it, but I see much wailing and rending of garments over NM
23:45<nevyn>the bug page is depressing I agree.
23:45<nevyn>but that's partly because it does more than people think
23:45<nevyn>it provides event mechinisms for things like your IM client to say "AY there's a network now" go reconnect to everything and stuff
23:46<nevyn>and switching your browser between online and offline browsing.
23:46<nevyn>so you hit the wifi off button on your notbook and you don't get a thousand dialogs complaining the network disappeard.. stuff just gives up.
23:46<nevyn>at least... that's the theory.
23:47<amphi>I get no such dialogs here in any case
23:47<nevyn>I have a very specific problem which is nm is running but has no devices.
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