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---Logopened Sat Jan 22 00:00:38 2011
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00:13<sorryimnew>hello, anyone feel like answering a couple noob questions?
00:14<sorryimnew>i'm following a guide at to setup a debian server in my home.
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00:16<sorryimnew>i have existing hard drives I'd like shared, but they are all NTFS.
00:17<sorryimnew>Would it be worth it to back the data up somewhere and reformat the HDs in ext3? Or will I be ok just sharing them in their current NTFS state?
00:20<amphi>shared with what? windows machines?
00:21<amphi>so why not just share the ntfs drives with samba?
00:21<sorryimnew>no reason, just curious if that was bad practice for any reason
00:22<sorryimnew>i did have an ubuntu server sharing the drives with samba before
00:22<amphi>I don't have any ntfs partitions, so I don't know whether ntfs is much slower or more memory intensive than other filesystems
00:22<nevyn>sorryimnew: well.. you don't have an effective fsck for ntfs on linux.
00:22<nevyn>that's bad.
00:22<sorryimnew>but i kept having the restart the server... wasn't sure if NTFS was the reason
00:23<nevyn>ntfs3g is good but in the end the whole thing's a reverse engineering effort
00:23<nevyn>which is cool and nifty and stuff..
00:23<sret>what is the CD sources in the sources.list?
00:23*nevyn likes storage systems to be boring and ancient.
00:23<sret>im installing a printer and it says to disable the CD sources
00:23<amphi>nevyn: heh
00:24<sret>is it the cdrom: Debian linuz 5.0.7 Lenny....
00:24<sret>do i have to remove that from the sources list?
00:24<nevyn>sorryimnew: If you can move the data to ext3 I would
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00:24<amphi>sret: or just comment it out by putting # at the beginning of the line
00:24<nevyn>if the plan is to have it on linux in the long term
00:25<sret>amphi: it begins with cdrom: so i just add #cdrom:
00:25<nevyn>better still buy a couple of current disks and setup a raid copy all the data to those then extend the raid with the remaining disks...
00:25<amphi>sret: that'll work
00:25<nevyn>sorryimnew: how many disks do you have and how big are they?
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00:26<sret>it actually has a #, when i open sources.list i see a #
00:26<sorryimnew>nevyn: i have 3 HDs, 2@160GB, 1@500GB
00:27<nevyn>do you have any spare storage?
00:27<nevyn>how much data do you have?
00:28<sorryimnew>probably a total of 400-500GB
00:28<nevyn>which disks is it on?
00:28<sorryimnew>i was using the 2@160GB to backup the 500GB
00:28<sret>amphi: thats means i dont need to add a # right?
00:28<nevyn>sorryimnew: were they big enough?
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00:29<nevyn>ie is your dataset smaller than 320Gb?
00:29<sorryimnew>no, there's too much to fit on just the 2@160GB
00:29<nevyn>you need another disk.
00:30<Some_Person>Is there any known fix for epiphany's major copy/paste bug?
00:30<sorryimnew>yeah... and when I get one, I'll likely get the filesystem to ext3
00:30<nevyn>you need another 160gig disk at an absolute minimum
00:30<sorryimnew>for now though, until I can get the extra space
00:30<nevyn>and ideally a pair of 1tb disks and make the whole problem go away.
00:31<sorryimnew>i just want to figure out if I can get the existing NTFS disks shared reliably.
00:31<sorryimnew>haha, yeah that'd be nice!
00:32<sorryimnew>if the NTFS disks SHOULD share, then I'll just stick with that for now.
00:32<sret>goddamit debian wont detect my printer
00:32<sorryimnew>I just wasn't sure if NTFS was the source of my earlier problems.
00:33<jthill>how would I find out who's popping a window?
00:34<Some_Person>jthill: <lame joke> Look and see who's controling the computer </lame joke>
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00:35<jthill>mmm. I deserved no better, I didn't fgi
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00:35<sret>how am i supposed to install this printer, based on hp's instructions my printer is not being detected....
00:36<sorryimnew>thanks for your help nevyn and amphi
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01:06<nevyn>ok.. I know what's wrong with my networkmanager
01:06<nevyn>lsudev hangs...
01:06<nevyn>so it never complete's enumeration of devices.
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01:11<rao>Hi! How do I enable tap to click in kde?
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01:14<nevyn>it's a function of your synaptic X11 driver.
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01:18<happyaron>what is a flamewar?
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01:19<sret>ok i got my printer working
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01:19<rao>nevyn, "synclient TapButton1=1" allows me to tap to click for the session, but where do I put it so that it works during startup?
01:20<rao>and is there no counterpart for gsynapcits for kde?
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01:21<sret>where do i move the installation files that are on a desktop?
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01:22<dpkg>hmm... flamewar is that thing between vi and emacs.... Perl vs Python
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01:22<sret>any ideas?
01:23<glennerik>hi there, in FreeBSD can anyone help me figure out how to have the command 'top' display memory usages in bytes, and not format the number into human readable sizes such as 1MB (I'd rather like to see 1048576), or is there a better place to ask this question?
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01:34<nevyn>ram0: there is one.
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01:34<nevyn>glennerik: #freebsd?
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01:58<Class>how can i save output of this command ? fping -c 10 -p 60 -q
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01:59<Class>> thetxtfile does not work with -q argument
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02:00<nevyn>script or tee?
02:02<Class>the output of fping -c 10 -p 60 -q
02:02<Class> : xmt/rcv/%loss = 10/10/0%, min/avg/max = 54.6/55.2/55.9
02:02<nevyn>so it's not scrolling?
02:02<nevyn>it's just updating those stats..
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02:58<nevyn>Ha.. sorted it.
02:58<nevyn>turns out. if you change to sid.. after installing lenny.. everything get's broken until you move to 2.6.32
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04:46<koolre>hi all
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05:07<ohwow>Anyone has experience with synching/managing iPhone/iPod touch with Debian?
05:07<ohwow>I tried to follow but I got stuck on step 3.5
05:07<ohwow>The problem is that I don't use gnome, so maybe that's why it didn't automount
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05:09<ohwow> here's my dmesg
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05:12<grummund>hi all, could someone point me in the right direction re sharing printer from one debian box to another?
05:14*grummund already has the printer set up with cups and shared to other windows pc via smb, but i guess sharing to a linux box is different?
05:14<valdyn>grummund: not, not really different
05:14<valdyn>grummund: err
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05:15<grummund>the debian box i want to share to is console only (no X) if that makes a difference
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05:17<valdyn>grummund: enable remote printing access in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf for the subnet or ip on the server. Install cupsd on the linux print client, go to http://localhost:631 on the linux printing client and add the printer.
05:17<valdyn>grummund: it makes a difference as to how the cupsd webpage looks
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05:18<ohwow>Here's the output of `ifuse' command:
05:18<grummund>valdyn: remote printing access is already enabled if i can print from windows clients, right?
05:19<valdyn>grummund: no, not if you are using samba
05:19<valdyn>grummund: i would recommend you use cupsd from both windows and linux, but right now you seem to be using samba for windows
05:19<valdyn>grummund: ( cupsd directly i mean, without involving samba )
05:20<grummund>valdyn: do you mean install cups on the windows clients?
05:20<valdyn>grummund: no, windows can print to cups out of the box
05:21<valdyn>grummund: you just have to use a network printer at a url like "http://print_server/printers/printername"
05:21<valdyn>grummund: but thats for later to consolidate on one printing system, fix linux first..
05:22<grummund>yeah i'm not even sure what windows is doing... just looking at cups.conf now
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05:40<grummund>valdyn: i believe the cups server is enabled for remote sharing now... how can i test this from the windows pc?
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05:41<grummund>s/is/should be/
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05:44<rao>Hi! I installed freepops and started it using "freepopsd &". I configured an email account in kmail, but when I check mail, it says "could not read file the server terminated the connection". Help!!
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05:48<ohwow>I am trying to mount my iPod touch using Debian Squeeze and ifuse, but I get the following:
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05:55<Giscard74>Hello !
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05:55<valdyn>grummund: if you can print from remote then you can access the web site from remote
05:56<valdyn>grummund: http://server:631/
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05:56<Giscard74>I just installed debian (testing, RC1) and the LXDE DE. Even when putting the volume mixer from my DE to the max, the sound volume is extremely low
05:57<Giscard74>Any suggestion how to fix that ?
05:57<grummund>valdyn: thanks i finally figured it out and can print from windows using the http://server:631/... URL
05:57<valdyn>grummund: nice!
05:58<grummund>i think from the linux client it will not be so easy ;-/
05:58<valdyn>grummund: very easy
05:58<Giscard74>Additionaly, is there a smarter, more streamlined way to enable chinese characters than installing some chinese fonts manually, reconfiguring the locales e tutti quanti ?
05:58<grummund>valdyn: the problem is it's a very old box (sarge) :(
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05:59<valdyn>grummund: not a problem
05:59*grummund sees /etc/cups/client.conf
05:59<valdyn>grummund: you dont need to edit a file, just use the website
06:00<valdyn>grummund: like use lynx or elinks or whatever text mode browser
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06:00<grummund>that presumes cups server is running on the client (which it isn't)
06:00<valdyn>grummund: install it?
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06:02<grummund>hmm, i think this may require a different tact
06:03<valdyn>grummund: why?
06:03<grummund>installing cups on such an old box is probably more trouble than it's worth
06:03<valdyn>grummund: how much ram on it?
06:03<valdyn>grummund: its not like cups is huge
06:04<grummund>valdyn: it's running sare
06:04<valdyn>grummund: that is not a problem
06:05<valdyn>judd: versions cups
06:05<judd>Package cups on i386 -- etch-backports: 1.3.8-1lenny4~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.3.8-1+lenny8; lenny-security: 1.3.8-1+lenny8; squeeze: 1.4.4-7; sid: 1.4.5-2
06:05<valdyn>judd: versions cupsd
06:05<judd>Sorry, no package named 'cupsd' was found in i386.
06:05<valdyn>grummund: or is it that sarge has no cups? i would think it has cupsd
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06:06<grummund>'lpd' was originally designed with network printing in mind... is that now defunct?
06:07<valdyn>grummund: no, but obsolete
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06:07<grummund>if i type "echp test | lp" on the client box, it goes *somewhere*
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06:08<valdyn>grummund: lp is a cups command
06:08<grummund>given that this is console only it's not going to be printing any fancy graphics
06:08<grummund>sorry... echo test | lpr
06:08<valdyn>grummund: graphics and text is the same thing
06:09<grummund>lp is "command not found"
06:09<valdyn>grummund: because the cups packages are not installed
06:09<grummund>yep. but lpr "works"
06:10<valdyn>grummund: theres no benefit in using bsd lpr instead of cups
06:10<grummund>can i not configure lpd as in ye olden days?
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06:11<valdyn>grummund: im sure cups can somehow be made to talk bsd lpr but thats another layer for no use except satisfying needs of legacy systems
06:11<valdyn>grummund: but sarge has cups
06:11<grummund>it does?
06:11<valdyn>grummund: apt-cache search cups
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06:12<grummund>cupsys-client ?
06:12<valdyn>grummund: and server
06:12<Shango>hello.. i dont know how to record debian "netinst" iso on usb flash, can someone explain me?
06:12<valdyn>grummund: thats old package names
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06:12<Giscard74>Shango, amd64 or i386 ?
06:13<valdyn>judd: versions cupsys-client
06:13<judd>Package cupsys-client on i386 -- etch: 1.2.7-4+etch9; etch-security: 1.2.7-4+etch9; etch-backports: 1.3.8-1lenny4~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.3.8-1+lenny8; lenny-security: 1.3.8-1+lenny8
06:13<Shango>(it will be amd64, but i am using x86 now)
06:13<valdyn>guess judd does not know sarge
06:13<Giscard74>lenny or squeeze ?
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06:14<Giscard74>Shango, first get that :
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06:15<Giscard74>then get that :
06:15<valdyn>grummund: you can use the cupsys daemon on sarge to configure the printer with with web interface and to cache print jobs locally, or just the client and cache print jobs only remotely on your print server
06:15<Shango>1 - got, 2 - getting
06:15<Shango>Giscard74 and what should i do with them?)
06:16<Giscard74>type "zcat boot.img.gz >sdX"
06:16<Giscard74>where sdX is your usb stick
06:16<Giscard74>(be careful that everything on it will be deleted, datas, partitions...)
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06:16<Shango>emm.. :) sorry i am using windows now..
06:16<Giscard74>after you remount your USB stick it's gonna be named "debian inst"
06:16<grummund>valdyn: ok. but ow can i install this... since the repo is not there anymore
06:17<Giscard74>Oh sorry I have no clue then Shango
06:17<valdyn>grummund: are you not considerung upgrading to lenny?
06:17<rao>Hi! How do I fix the "INVALID e-mail header i=1 err=nil headers=" error in freepopsd?
06:17<dpkg> is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old site that is no longer maintained.
06:17<grummund>valdyn: yes of course
06:17<valdyn>grummund: i think even sdn is to old
06:17<Giscard74>don't you have a linux box somewhere you can use ?
06:18<valdyn>grummund: but debian does have archive repos
06:18<Giscard74>otherwise, use another distro that is easier to install on a USB stick
06:18<Giscard74>and from it create your debian USB
06:18<Shango>Giscard74 i know how to use grub4dos etc to run winpe from usb but have no idea what i have to do with usb stick to make in run debian installer, and cant find an instruction on debian site
06:18<valdyn>grummund: or check out
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06:19<grummund>valdyn: i suppose this venture started out by me wondering if it was a simple file edit to get lpd on the two boxes to 'talk'
06:19<Shango>yep i can cd-burn that .iso anyway, i just thought that using usb will be easier & faster
06:19<Giscard74>Well, there is probably a simple and easy way to do it from windows Shango
06:19<Shango>**to make in = to make it
06:19<Giscard74>but I have no clue how
06:20<Shango>im sure there is :) but i dont know it
06:20<valdyn>grummund: well, theres a relatively easy workaround to just print
06:20<valdyn>grummund: that is pipign thru ssh
06:20<Giscard74>Last time I used windows was... 1997 ?
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06:21<valdyn>Shango: usb install is first writing the usb image to disk
06:21<valdyn>Shango: the iso just gets copied as a file
06:21<valdyn>Shango: but thats all documented
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06:23<grummund>sheesh, must have massive storage
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06:26<Shango>valdyn i can write that .img on usb (like on cd) but usb will not become bootable after that
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06:27<valdyn>Shango: which image are you writing?
06:27<Shango>boot.img :)
06:28<valdyn>Shango: right, that works, iirc, i cant say what youre doing in writing it
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06:28<Shango>uhm i found "dd" for windows and i think it will help
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06:30<rao>Shango, you can't just burn the image onto a usb. you might look for options so that you start the installation from the image in the usb stick.
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06:35<rao>Shango, you must understand that the boot mechanisms for different file systems are different. if you have a cd image, it has the boot mechanism for iso9660, which wouldn't be any effective on a usb drive.
06:35<babilen>Shango: The easiest way is probably to use "unetbootin" but it might just not work -- The officially supported procedure is outlined in the Debian Installation Guide (rao gave you the link)
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06:41<rao>Hi! How do I fix the "INVALID e-mail header i=1 err=nil headers=" error in freepopsd?
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06:54<Shango>0_o thank you all) it seems its much easier just to burn image on a cd
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08:20<gabrieluk>hi.does anyone is using aws ec2?if yes,is it reliable?can i migrate safe?
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08:33<alphaex>i am boring
08:33<gabrieluk>are u boring ?or are u bored?
08:34<Webmind-org>Then put your hands together and say , tanks in many ways .......... Respect life !
08:35<Webmind-org>and for the funny people tanks = thanks.
08:35<gabrieluk>or way not try another distro?free bsd or solaris?gets u busy?lol
08:35<diederik>I want to create a backup with rsync to my server, which has ssh root login disabled
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08:36<diederik>How can I backup /etc (for example)?
08:36<alphaex>i don't know
08:36<smv>diederik, have a look at rsnapshot
08:36<Webmind-org>sudo cp /etc /your/location put it in cron
08:37<diederik>smv: will do
08:37<smv>Webmind-org, that would need user input everytime it's run.
08:37<diederik>Webmind-org: you mean use cp instead of rsync?
08:38<Webmind-org>not here , it's working perfecly without user input every week
08:38<diederik>do you have a guide/link which describes how to set that up?
08:38<themill>«cp: omitting directory `/etc'»
08:39*smv lol
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08:41<smv>should be cp -r /etc /your/location
08:42<Webmind-org>yep in cron,
08:42<Webmind-org>as root
08:42<themill>-a would be better than -r. Or just use rsync.
08:43<mjt>how does mounting of various removable media is implemented? Who performs the mount? udev notifies dbus (i think), but what happens next?
08:43<diederik>I do want to set it up in cron and probably run it as root, but how to send it to my server then?
08:44<grummund>where does locale get set?
08:44<diederik>or should I enable root ssh login on my server? (which I think/thought was a bad practice)
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08:44<Webmind-org>I'd like to let people to think for themselves with little issue's
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08:44<EmleyMoor>My DVD RAM/+-RW drive is closing by itself whenever and however it is opened. Why would that happen?
08:45<cahoot>diederik: stick to some variation of rsync as you initially intended
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08:46<diederik>cahoot: That is what I intended. Want to implement 'Time Machine' (
08:46<zeropiel>anyone helllllp me with a key repeat problem???
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08:47<Lantizia>are there any signs the fsf will start favouring debian again in their campaigning now that 6 is free again?
08:47<GRUB> /whois diederik
08:47<Lantizia>i know it'll be a long and fragile re-association :P
08:48<grummund>root user unable to print to a remote cups server... the cups server log says: Unsupported character set "iso-8859-1"!
08:48<Lantizia>but there is an olive branch in that announcement by using the term "free software" and keeping the use of "gnu/linux"
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08:49<grummund>normal user can print ok. and the normal user is using UTF-8, but I can't see where this is set
08:49<EmleyMoor>zeropiel: Do you really have a problem? If so, describe it
08:50<zeropiel>Well, i moveeed the box to a different room, and the problem apeared.
08:50<EmleyMoor>What exactly is the problem?
08:50<zeropiel>Itsss not about stuck keys, it's like the computer freezes for half a second and repeats the key.
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08:51<zeropiel>seems random. can't find any process that causes a freeze when looking at top
08:51<EmleyMoor>Ah... seen similar effects before - like the system is too busy to take note of a key release
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08:52<bma>Lantizia, I thought part of the FSF's objection was that the non-free archive exists, which is still the case.
08:52<EmleyMoor>Is this affecting local processes?
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08:52<zeropiel>not that i noticed, and the problemmmmm is unaffected by apps running.
08:53<zeropiel>just as much with fresh boot as with high load.
08:53<EmleyMoor>Er, *not* that you noticed? So, only remote ones?
08:53<Lantizia>bma, gnewsense uses ubuntu repo's which also have the equivalences of a non-free section
08:53<zeropiel>eh, don't notice that it is affecting any processes.
08:54<diederik>Looking through the rsnapshot howto, I see that you need to enable (key-based) root login
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08:54<diederik>So, is it a bad practice to enable root (ssh) logins or not?
08:54<EmleyMoor>zeropiel: So it's not really happening at all?
08:54<Webmind-org>Thanks diederik for rsync, i change my cron
08:55<zeropiel>the key repeat is happening, and it seems to follow a very short freeze while wwwwwritng
08:55<Lantizia>bma, ah no they do have their own repo... but they do have a "universe" section
08:55<EmleyMoor>But is it happening to local processes, remote ones or both?
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08:55<zeropiel>but I cant find any reaaaaason for a freeze at all
08:55<Lantizia>bma, no multiverse though
08:56<bma>Lantizia, "universe" is free, though.
08:56<Lantizia>bma, yeah I realise
08:56<Lantizia>bma, how long as debian had non-free though? always?
08:56<EmleyMoor>zeropiel: I am looking not for reasons but for diagnostics
08:56<bma>Lantizia, I'm not sure.
08:56<zeropiel>oh,,,,, sorry
08:57<zeropiel>emley: let me investiiiiiigate a bit. thanks
08:57<EmleyMoor>zeropiel: Are key repeats occurring in things you are running locallf?
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08:57<zeropiel>emley: yes
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08:58<bma>Lantizia, to be honest, I don't think FSF approval is that important. Not a dig at the FSF, but: Debian thinks foo is good, FSF thinks foo is bad; why should Debian stop doing something it thinks is good to please the FSF?
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08:59<Lantizia>bma, oh I completely agree... I'd prefer to see Debian drop the use of the name GNU/Linux entirely... but whilst it is in use, and refers to itself as free software still rather than dfsg/open-source definition... i don't know it seems to suck up a little to them
09:01<bma>Lantizia, the FSF don't have a monopoly on the term "free software".
09:02<zeropiel>emley: tested writing in gedit starteddddd from a different machinnnne, running under my local x-server: same problem
09:03<zeropiel>emleymoor: I have a vague memory of sommething like this before, but have no memoryyyy of a fix.
09:03<Lantizia>bma, didn't say they did... but debian has to comply with the dfsg definition (which open-source was based on) and not to comply with free softwares definition... so it seems odd to use the term "free software" so regularly
09:03<chalet16>I have create raid-1 in /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 in Debian installer but when it finish I got mirror in /dev/sda and /dev/sdb (whole disk).
09:03<chalet16>how to fix this?
09:04<bma>Lantizia, in what way does the DFSG not comply with the free software definition?
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09:05<themill>Getting hung up on definitions is a great way of missing the point.
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09:05<Lantizia>bma, didn't say it did! lol - your misunderstanding... what I'm saying is debian only has to be concerned in making sure it's software meets dfsg criteria, not free software criteria (although it's likely to anyway)
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09:05<smv>DFSG does comply with free software, except GFDL :))
09:06<Lantizia>bma, so it seems odd to promote the free software "brand" along side the dfsg/os "brand"
09:06<Lantizia>as well as use GNU/Linux
09:06<Lantizia>does seem a little suck up-py to me anyway :P
09:06<Lantizia>just my opinion :)
09:07<bma>Lantizia, my point was that anything that's DFSG-free provides the four freedoms and so is free by FSF standards (except in the case of the GFDL, I suppose).
09:07<Webmind-org>chalet16: Using raid1 is always mirroring the whole disk.
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09:07<themill>They're all free software, just with slightly different definitions of "free".
09:07<smv>Lantizia, I also think you miss the meaning of the 'GNU/Linux' term.
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09:07<Lantizia>bma, true but why go out of your way to use the term free software and gnu/linux when we're not (if we're not... that's the conversation here) aiming to please the FSF :P
09:08<bma>"free software" is not a "brand" of the FSF. It's a description of what it is.
09:08<Lantizia>ok it's a term
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09:08<Lantizia>smv, I know perfectly well what it means and it's origins
09:08<bma>Free software is not "FSF-approved software", it's software that is free.
09:08<Lantizia>bma, that's fine
09:08<Gathond>for various definitions of free
09:09<bma>Gathond, quite.
09:09<Lantizia>right so what your saying is debians use of the term "free software" doesn't automatically mean looking up what it means on
09:10<themill>Lantizia: indeed. which is what you said when you agreed that the fsf didn't have a monopoly on the word "free".
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09:10<Lantizia>i see that angle now
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09:10<Lantizia>just an amazing co-incidence lol
09:11<Lantizia>still GNU/Linux is quite positively a fsf creation
09:11<Lantizia>and thus a nod to them
09:11<themill>Try rebuilding debian without gnu tools and see how far you get.
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09:12<Lantizia>themill, I'm not disputing -what- it means
09:12<themill>linux is the kernel and "the gnu system" is the bones of the userspace.
09:13<EmleyMoor>My DVD RAM/+-RW drive is closing by itself whenever and however it is opened. Why would that happen?
09:13<Lantizia>yes thanks - know this
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09:13<themill>Lantizia: got a better name for that combination?
09:13<Lantizia>themill, don't think the combination requires that much recognition
09:13<EmleyMoor>(oh, only when Debian is running - if held at the BIOS, it stays open)
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09:14<EmleyMoor>zeropiel: Is it a USB keyboard?
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09:14<bma>Lantizia, given that the system would not exist without GNU, I don't think it's unreasonable to recognise it.
09:14<EmleyMoor>Have you tried it in other ports?
09:14<Lantizia>bma, so you think whilst non-free exists it's unlikely fsf will promote debian again
09:14<EmleyMoor>No difference?
09:15<Lantizia>bma, yes but you _can_ have linux "systems" without gnu tools
09:15<bma>Lantizia, yes, since as I understand it that is their objection.
09:15<bma>Lantizia, yes, you can, but Debian is not one.
09:15<Lantizia>but there are surely other integral parts of debian that are not gnu
09:15<bma>(And, usually, they're not general-purpose systems.)
09:16<Lantizia>and Debian X/Y/Z/GNU/Linux is silly :P
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09:16<Lantizia>i'm just a believer in the "GNU/Linux" name
09:16<Lantizia>for me the kernel is enough
09:16<Lantizia>of whatever OS
09:16<bma>There's no other component I can think of that you couldn't run Debian without.
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09:17<Lantizia>bma, that aren't gnu licensed - or did not originate with fsf/gnu core of developers?
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09:18<bma>Lantizia, the latter.
09:18<Lantizia>that'll keep me thinking :P
09:18<bma>(e.g., X11 and so on are not necessary to run Debian.)
09:18<themill>Lantizia: tell the *BSD people that. Many of them are still not quite what to make of GNU userspace on top of a BSD kernel -- hence Debian GNU/kFreeBSD
09:18<kop>!social contract
09:18<dpkg>The Debian Social Contract is the document that defines Debian's purpose, see Summary: Debian is a 100% free software platform suitable for running all software.
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09:19<kop>Lantizia: The FSF does not like debian because we say we will "allow" the running of non-free software.
09:19<Lantizia>kop, scroll up - talked about that already :P
09:20<elan>hello, i've been using testing for a while on my notebook. do I need to reinstall squeeze when the release-chance is coming? or is editing of my sources.list enouth?
09:20<kop>!tell elan about squeeze release nots
09:20<kop>!tell elan about squeeze release notes
09:21<kop>elan: You always follow the instructions in the release notes to upgrade.
09:21<kop>elan: There is lots of verbage telling you to check and make sure certain things won't break but there's very few actual commands needed to upgrade (but they change from release to release.)
09:22<Lantizia>bma, i might check each package you get doing a minimal install (no tasks selected) :P
09:22<themill>elan: if you already have "squeeze" not "testing" in your sources.list you're fine. You may want to double check that you have a line for too.
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09:23<bma>Lantizia, that's not the same. Just because it's installed by default doesn't mean it's necessary to the running of the system.
09:24<smhar>I am trying to solve a problem in my debian squeeze notebook. I am running a fedora live cd and chrooting to my local debian. This is how I do it:
09:24<Lantizia>like perl! perl-base isntalls
09:24<smhar>I am unable to do an apt-get update this way although I can get to the internet threough the host OS
09:24<Lantizia>bma, ah but how small can debian get whilst still calling it debian? :D
09:24<elan>ok i already chanced "testing" to "squeeze" in my sources.list themill
09:25<elan>thanks for that themill
09:25<smhar>I can not even ping
09:25<smv>smhar, are you sure that's the proper way to mount? locate the system's /etc/fstab and check your partitions order.
09:27<zeropiel>emleymoor: I tried to swith ports again, this time using a port in the front of the box. Seems to have fixed it.
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09:27<zeropiel>emleymoor: thanks for the assistance. sorry to have taken your time with something that should be obvious.
09:28<smv>smhar, I think that the proper order would be mount /, mount /boot, mount /home, bind mount /dev, chroot /, mount /proc, mount /sys, mount /dev/pts. again, check which partition is what before mounting it. you don't want to mount / instead of /home, (sda7 instead of sda8 in your case)
09:28<Lantizia>themill, if you had a bsd system not using gnu userspace tools - what tools would they commonly be?
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09:40<smhar>smv, this is how I did it again: , still I can not ping the net
09:40<smv>Lantizia, was Windows ever something else than Windows? Did anyone needed more details when first saw that? Does anyone looking at a Mac need details of what exactly MacOS X is?
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09:41<Webmind-org>THe chatbox door is spinning like a fan.
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09:41<Petrol->anyone alive that can help me?
09:42<Lantizia>smv, ah but "Windows" is also a family... CE/NT/9X... so not explicitly just a kernel or a brand
09:42<smv>smhar, shouldn't /dev/sda8 be /home and /dev/sda7 be / ?
09:42<Webmind-org>What's up your mind Petrol
09:42<Petrol->i have an ubuntu box
09:42<Petrol->am trying to install grsecurity
09:42<Petrol->i did apt-get install gradm2
09:42<saulo>diederik: ptbr packages, I have kde-l10n-ptbr installed, but the network manager window, for example, isn't translated
09:42<Lantizia>Petrol-, you realise your in #debian ?
09:42<Petrol->rebooted the box no use
09:42<Petrol->then i installed, the patch from the site
09:42<Petrol->and typed patch -p1 grsecurity-2.2.1-2.6.37-201101172105.patch
09:42<Petrol->i got no reply
09:42<smv>Lantizia, then, say it's a Debian Squeeze, as you might say it's a Windows 7. :))
09:43<saulo>diederik: a lot of system-manager is in english
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09:43<smhar>smv, my fstab:
09:43<Petrol->noones alive in #ubuntu
09:43<Lantizia>smv, oh I like saying what it's release name it - means I get to talk about toy story lol
09:44<Petrol->noone can help in that case?
09:44<smv>Petrol-, #ubuntu is on
09:44<Lantizia>Petrol-, you realise it took you 9 lines to say what could have been said in 1 line
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09:44<Petrol->yeh :P
09:44<diederik>saulo: it could be that not everything is translated (but I don't know for sure).
09:44<Petrol->i thought this was the official network for grsecurity
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09:44<Lantizia>don't even know what that is
09:45<Petrol->that says it is
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09:45<diederik>saulo: you may have better luck @ #debian-kde
09:46<Webmind-org>use #grsecurity
09:46<smv>Petrol-, /join #grsecurity
09:46<Lantizia>Petrol-, it seems it works on debian stable if you'd wish to try it on there... otherwise your better off asking in #grsecurity or #ubuntu on freenode
09:46<diederik>usually the package maintainers are there (and know far more then I do)
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09:47<smhar>smv, from the fstab I am sure / is /dev/sda7 and /home is /dev/sda8, and do not ask me why I did it this way because it just happened :-)
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09:48<saulo>diederik: official KDE is translated. and stable kde in debian too. but here don't works :( I will enter debian-kde now :)
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09:49<sososo>hello, how do learn command mail server version?
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09:49<smv>smhar, i see. have you tried a live debian?
09:50<kop>sososo: aptitude show yourmailserverprogram
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09:50<smhar>smv, no
09:50<diederik>saulo: could very well be that it's not (fully) translated, experimental-snapshots only contains most used programs
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09:50<sososo>kop: i no understand?
09:50<smhar>smv, I noticed that /etc/resolv.conf does not exist, is this normal?
09:50<HyperDevil>i just installed debian 6 X64 on virtualbox, netinst basic without X.. but when i do a DPKG --list i see a lott of X packages, what are they doing there?
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09:51<smv>smhar, perhaps not, but depends
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09:52<smhar>smv, I am connected to the net now in the host using a 3g huawei usb modem, but it seems it is not seen by my chrooted debian
09:52<kop>HyperDevil: Some packages may recommend X client software -- the X server can be another box. Dunno. I always do a minimal install, that gets very very little.
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09:53<saulo>diederik: In this case I could install official kde translation packages to complete translation?
09:53<HyperDevil>kop: i did exactly that, the minimum install even without the basic utilities.. still all these X utils
09:53<smv>smhar, sorry, it's beyound my knowledge.
09:53<HyperDevil>kop: 222 packages...
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09:53<kop>HyperDevil: Were you in expert mode? (I always do that and don't know the normal.) It has choices that may not be present in the normal install.
09:53<smhar>thanks for the help so far smv
09:53<smv>smhar, i'd recommend you to try a live debian
09:54<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. A preview of the squeeze live image is at . #debian-live on
09:54<HyperDevil>kop: i will do a new install then in expert mode, i really dont want to have X packages
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09:55<kop>HyperDevil: (I always find xeyes useful. For some strange reason I always use it to test something or another.)
09:56<HyperDevil>kop: i am building a production server (file + apache + db), and want to make the OS as small as possible
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09:58<smhar2>smv, they are all big for my net connection
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10:00<HyperDevil>does grub natively boot XFS?
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10:02<themill>!es-social cris
10:02<dpkg>cris: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
10:02<rao>err... Hi! What is wrong with this comman? "cal Sep 1752"?
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10:02<cris>in spanihs
10:03<botmind>sney: hi.. you around?
10:03-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@] by ChanServ
10:03<themill>rao: absolutely nothing.
10:03<en3my>Hello everyone
10:03<rao>themill, then why is it missing days?
10:04<botmind>I've just installed SBLive 5.1 on Squeeze and the green out gives only 1 channel! while balck works fine! People are saying these are very high chances for driver issue rather than hardware failure
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10:05<themill>rao: specifically: «Britain and the British Empire (including the eastern part of what is now the United States) adopted the Gregorian calendar in 1752, by which time it was necessary to correct by 11 days. Wednesday, 2 September 1752 was followed by Thursday, 14 September 1752.»
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10:07<rao>themill, does that mean we follow the british conventionfor calenders?
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10:08<rao>hmm! interesting!
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10:11<HyperDevil>kop: i found out the default install installd virtualbox additions, which require X packages... now disables the module in expert mode, thanks for the tip :)
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10:12<HyperDevil>kop: now 157 packages instead of 222
10:13<jsubl2>fresh install of squeeze. I dont seem to have permissions to the wireless device. it is greyed out in the kde network manager
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10:14<cd>Hi guys (and girls :P)! I'm kinda newbie compared to your vast majority. So... I just managed to setup my home debian gateway... and I cannot imagine nor find how to setup fwlogwatch (in daemon mode) (if that is possible) to log messages to a file other than /var/log/syslog. Any clue? Thanks.
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10:17<BPM>hello @ all debianer
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10:19<ompaul>cd have you looked in the fwlogwatch.config file in /etc it is very specific about what is available to you as an option if you want to log elsewhere
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10:20<cd>yes, saw that file really close, again and again... it has an option to specify an output file, which is set to some convenient value, but does not send the log there...
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10:23<HyperDevil>why does debian use the php-suhosin package?
10:23<ompaul>cd: ehh by default it sends to syslog, the first question therefore is it doing that?
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10:25<cd>of course it does that and that is not convenient for me because I have to find other things in /var/log/syslog and with all that firewall log is getting really hard...
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10:25<smhar2>is there anyone who can help me with this: I have a serious problem. I am trying to get into my local debian squeeze installation from a fedor live cd. I did the following to chroot to debian: but I can not connect to the net. I can not even ping google, although I can do it on the host
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10:25<saulo>diederik: hi
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10:26<saulo>modax: im back
10:26<saulo>sorry for time
10:26<diederik>saulo: but in the 'wrong' channel ;)
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10:26<saulo>lol xD sry :P
10:27<ompaul>cd: I asked because there were other possible takes on what was happening, what is the line you used in fwlw_notify to log elsewhere?
10:29<cd>oups! I didn't touch anything else than fwlogwatch.config... Should I do that?
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10:30<ompaul>cd: well that is what the comment in fwlogwatch.config tells you to do, there is a very explicit instruction in the config file and a very helpful one in _notify ;-)
10:30<cd>ompaul: and, by the way... in 2 hours I got 20.000 emails...
10:30<ompaul>cd do you think you set your alert level a little too high?
10:30<cd>ompaul: ...from fwlogwatch...
10:30<ompaul>(mailing on alert is not a great idea methinks)
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10:31<ompaul>cd you couldn't even parse that into anything sensible - so I guess you have as they used to say in the old days "auto larted"
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10:32<cd>ompaul: doen not know what mean "auto larted" but giess something unpleasant...
10:32<ompaul>cd: you hit yourself with a 2x4 stick to install a clue ;-) you kept doing it until you worked out the problem ;-)
10:32<cd>ompaul: sorry for typos, I have to split my hands on two keyboards...
10:33<ompaul>cd: ssh from one to the other that works better
10:33<cd>ompaul: oh, indeed, really unpleasant... :D
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10:34<cd>ompaul: sorry, I just managed some hours ago to setup my debian gateway, didn't managed to install sshd...
10:34<cd>ompaul: ...yet
10:34<ompaul>cd: eh that should be first thing on the list
10:35<ompaul>remote control and keys but hey there are thousands of ways to do things
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10:36<ompaul>l(user) a(ttitude) r(eadjustment) t(ool) a 2x4 for installing clues
10:36<cd>ompaul: not really on my list... that place was something else, but ssh was to come soon... could we communicate in other (easy) ways?
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10:36<ompaul>I do irc in a public channel so when I make a mistake someone else can say "NO STOP DON'T ohh too late" or something usually not that often
10:37<cd>ompaul: some of the first things was arno-iptables; then deleted and swicted on shorewall, then some firewall log analizer, DNS, ulogs and others...
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10:38<EmleyMoor>Is it possible to make an OpenOffice spreadsheet that will function as an intelligent note sheet for "Clue?"
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10:39<ompaul>EmleyMoor: Clue which one Colorado Linux Users and Enthusiasts or something else?
10:40<ompaul>EmleyMoor: I promise not to make a give us a clue joke ;-)
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10:40<EmleyMoor>Something else... the board game (US name used for familiarity)
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10:45<ompaul>EmleyMoor: now I am more confused, based on the idea that you might be talking about this my thoughts are, there is a macro language within the spreadsheet, it could be used to work out various combinations when you get some "clues" however the rule base would be very complex for all instances of all objects if you were to do it as an array, I am sure it is possible
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11:07<xircon>Has anyone managed to boot debian-hppa on HP C8000?
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11:14<spadone>apt-get upgrade and the update-initramfs from it in squeeze dumps me into an initramfs shell in reboot, only see "control" in /dev/mapper
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11:22<dominick>To setup nfs file sharing between two machines, which package should I use? unfs3,nfs-kernel-server or nfs-user-server?
11:23<mjt>nfs-kernel-server usually
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11:24<dominick>what are the other two?
11:24<sney>botmind: never in my life have I seen that, but it's probably better suited to #alsa on than here
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11:25<mjt>dominick: alternatives. you can read about them, at least in debian descriptions
11:26<dominick>mjt, when I try to install nfs-kernel-server, the dependency resolution is trying to uninstall almost all of kde.
11:26<botmind>sney: yes.. just purchased the EMU10k1 card as you suggested.... but plugged in into the green out and hear only in 1 ear... ok thx will try
11:26<mjt>dominick: that usually means you've a mix of debian versions installed
11:27<dominick>mjt, I only have squeeze kde installed and updated.
11:27<mjt>btw, nfs-user-server is virtual in squeeze
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11:29<mjt>as of kde removal, 3 points: 1) it shouldn't happen (naturally), and if it does, 2) it'd be interesting to see where the problem is, but i'm not the right person to ask (apt and dependencies apparently). But 3) try to add one or two kde packages which it wants to remove to the list of things to install while installing nfs server, -- that should help.
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11:31<mjt>unfs3 works too, but the "main" server is nfs-kernel-server
11:32<themill>dominick: the complete output of your aptitude run would be handy, also some other details (/msg dpkg bat)
11:32<dominick>mjt, you might want to have a look at this. I was very surprised to see it:
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11:32<themill>dominick: that's not a fully updated squeeze machine
11:33<mjt>as i said, it's a mix of lenny and squeeze
11:33<dominick>themill, hmm... wait till i upgrade.
11:33<mjt>that was my first answer
11:33<themill>!win mjt
11:33<dpkg>Congratulations, mjt! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
11:34<mjt>nfs-user-server looked familiar for a lenny system ;)
11:35<dominick>themill, I don't understand how I got a mix system. I just installed it from 12-Jan's testing DVD. What do I do now?
11:36<themill>!show sources.list dominick
11:36<dpkg>dominick: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \;
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11:37<mjt>there you go
11:37<mjt>stable = lenny currently, so you installed base system from dvd and kde from lenny
11:37<dominick>okay, i'll make it squeeze and upgrade. will that be sufficient?
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11:39<mjt>should be
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11:40<dominick>are there any problems I should know of, or precautions I should take?
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11:41<mjt>just try it ;)
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11:46<themill>dpkg: tell dominick about lenny->squeeze
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11:46<themill>dominick: it wouldn't hurt to follow those steps in any case.
11:47<themill>dominick: also, you should never use "stable" in your sources.list; /msg dpkg stable sources.list
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11:55-MtlGuard:#debian-add me on
11:55<MtlGuard>add me on
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11:56<sney>oh yeah, that's gonna happen.
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12:01<e-mode>Hi! I am running on another PC (laptop) a Debian Live stable with the Xfce desktop. However the keyboard layout is not set to Italian (as my keyboard is). Is there a way to switch keyboard layout?
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12:10-!-themill changed the topic of #debian to: lenny (5.0.8) /msg dpkg 5.0.8 | squeeze release planned for 5th/6th Feb 2011 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ:
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12:11<themill>(topicdiff: 5.0.8 released)
12:12<sney>how long will lenny be supported for security after squeeze drops?
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12:13<themill>the usual 12ish months
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12:14<sney>that guy^ should probably be banned or something, even though his spam is subtle
12:14<diederik>when will 5.0.8 be available on cdimage.d.o ?
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12:17<sney>diederik: if history is any indication, probably Monday or sooner
12:17<sney>diederik: naturally, netinst is ready now
12:18<diederik>sney: thanks. want to update my dvd1 (with jigdo) so I can seed it, so will wait some more days
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12:20<Some_Person>Should I be using this "jigdo" thing instead of wget to download the 2 ISOs I have going now? I'm downloading a live version of i386 squeeze with LXDE and normal CD1 of i386 squeeze
12:20<Lethalman>Some_Person, not necessary, it's ok
12:21<diederik>Some_Person: jigdo is handy when you want to 'upgrade' a cd/dvd
12:22<diederik>I have 5.0.7 DVD1 and by using jigdo I can upgrade it to 5.0.8 by only downloading the new packages
12:22<Some_Person>The downloads are going rather slowly, but that may just be my wifi interference problem
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12:23<Some_Person>Living around 13 routers (including mine) leads to slow wifi
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12:24<sney>I tend to get the best speeds on debian isos via bittorrent, but it's never going to be instant
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12:24<sney>better to just let it download since you've already started, and give the install manual a good read
12:24<Some_Person>I've already got debian installed on my laptop
12:25<Some_Person>I want to install on my netbook, and am trying to decide between GNOME and LXDE
12:27<ananth123>Some_Person: lxde would be easier to run since its more lightweight than gnome ...
12:28<Some_Person>Yes, but I've never even tried LXDE before, which is why I'm downloading the live version. I'm more likely to go with GNOME, and have other uses for an i386 GNOME CD, so I'm downloading that too
12:29<Some_Person>I installed amd64 version on my laptop, so I can't use the same disc
12:29<Lethalman>gnome is pretty good for netbooks
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12:29<Some_Person>I have ubuntu on there now, and it's too slow for my liking. I've noticed, however, that Debian tends to be faster, so it might go better
12:31<Some_Person>I only first tried Debian at all 2 days ago, switching away from ubuntu for multiple reasons, the most major being random system crashes that nobody seems to be able to fix. I think I'm growing to like it better than ubuntu
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12:33<e-mode>since you are all talking debian live and xfce... any idea on how to switch the keyboard layout? it's a mess finding special chars with my it keyboard. sorry, asked already, but with netsplit
12:35<diederik>e-mode: on you can find a manual, but I think it's mostly for squeeze+
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12:36<diederik>iirc there's also a irc channel for debian live, probably #debian-live
12:37<e-mode>diederik: I tried that manual... quite frankly it looks to me more like a manual on how to build your Live CD tahn how to use the ones available for download. Since it mentions adding things to a config file
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12:37<Some_Person>e-mode: xfce4-xkb-plugin?
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12:37<e-mode>diederik: didnt know that... I will go in that channel then
12:37<diederik>e-mode: it describes that too, but also look here:
12:38<e-mode>Some_Person: I googled myself... that plugin is available, but not on the live CD apparently so I couldnt use it, nor did i find an option in the Settings menu
12:38<Some_Person>e-mode: Did you add the contrib repo?
12:38<e-mode>diederik: thanks gonna go check...
12:38<e-mode>I don't have a internet connection on the laptop, just the live CD
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12:39<Some_Person>So hook it up to the internet?
12:40<Some_Person>Or download it + dependencies on another machine and transfer (this would probably be annoying but possible)
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12:42<e-mode>Some_Person: too much work.. and trouble. I need a live CD to carry around, be sort of like a rescue disk. If for a live CD I have to have the net everywhere available, plus some mean to download things.. and only to use the keyboard? easier to write down the key correspondence
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12:43<Some_Person>e-mode: Have you tried setxkbmap?
12:44<e-mode>Some_Person: no, but I did now. and it worked!!! thanks. always the easiest thing.
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12:44<e-mode>and thanks to diederik too
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12:44<Some_Person>no problem
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12:49<dpkg>Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words, put an underscore ("_") on both sides.
12:49<Some_Person>!es | batman
12:49<themill>!ubuntu-es batman
12:49<dpkg>batman: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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12:49<Some_Person>what the...? why does it suggest an ubuntu channel?
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12:53<babilen>Some_Person: It does not, but you are using #ubuntu syntax -- Our bot doesn't work that way. themill invoked the "es-social" factoid
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12:54<Some_Person>Yeah, that was my first time trying to use the bot here
12:56<jhutchins_lt>Some_Person: #ubuntu* is appropriate for someone running ubuntu.
12:56<jhutchins_lt>It's not like they're enemies or anything.
12:57<babilen>Some_Person: (and I meant the "ubuntu-es" factoid ;-\)
12:57<Some_Person>I never suggested that, and didn't notice that themill used !ubuntu-es. I wrongly thought my !es invoked that
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12:57<Some_Person>I'm a regular in #ubuntu-offtopic on freenode, so obviously I have nothing against the ubuntu community
12:58<Some_Person>Especially since I was an ubuntu user until 2 days ago
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13:29<FredGeek>how can I install the debian squeeze before february?
13:29<Some_Person>FredGeek: Install rc1
13:29<MeglaW>start now
13:31<FredGeek>Some_Person, when squeeze is released it will upgrade to stable?
13:31<FredGeek>Some_Person, in my pc?
13:31<themill>FredGeek: yes. You'll probably find very few packages have changed between what you download and the final release.
13:32<Some_Person>FredGeek: No, it will do it everywhere in the world, but not in your PC </sarcasm>
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13:32<FredGeek>themill, Some_Person tnx xD
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13:41<fly_x3>need help about wireshark plz
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13:44<bartm>what about it?
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13:44<fly_x3>i can't find it
13:44<fly_x3>how to install it?
13:45<bartm>fly_x3, I guess like this: apt-get install wireshark
13:45<jhutchins>,versions wireshark
13:45<judd>Package wireshark on i386 -- etch: 0.99.4-5.etch.4; etch-security: 0.99.4-5.etch.4; lenny: 1.0.2-3+lenny10; lenny-security: 1.0.2-3+lenny12; sid: 1.2.11-6; squeeze: 1.2.11-6; experimental: 1.4.3-1
13:45<Aleric>fly_x3: you sent a /msg to everyone in the channel or something?
13:45<Aleric>Extremely bad behavior.
13:45<bartm>Aleric, not everyone
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13:48<fly_x3>it is already installed but i cant find the shortcut
13:48<jordanm>fly_x3: type "wireshark" into your console
13:48<bartm>fly_x3, how do you know "it is already installed" ?
13:49<fly_x3>it works thanks for help
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13:52<fly_x3>how to make a shortcut for wireshark on desktop
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13:52<bartm>fly_x3, right-click on the desktop, "create launcher"
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13:52<jordanm>create a .desktop file on your desktop. your DE may provide an easy way of doing so
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13:53<fly_x3>i use backtrack 4 r2
13:54<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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13:58<fly_x3>10x everyone for help
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14:29<HyperDevil>will debian 6 install on an SSD disk?
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14:31<qwd>don't see why it shouldn't
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14:31<HyperDevil>qwd: good to know, maybe you know what TRIM is?
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14:33<qwd>HyperDevil: yep
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14:33<HyperDevil>qwd: what is it and is it something that i should watch out for?
14:36<adarnimrod>hyperdevil: trim is a command for an ssd to let it know that a sector is not use anymore.
14:38<qwd>HyperDevil: I don't have an ssd myself but from what I've read the disk will get slow eventually without trim. I had to look it up but Linux got support for trim in 2.6.33 (apparently) and Squeeze comes with 2.6.32.
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14:38<FredGeek>what is on the first CD of the squeeze rc1?
14:38<HyperDevil>qwd: mmm hopefully they will give squeeze a kernel update soon
14:39<qwd>HyperDevil: Squeeze is in freeze :)
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14:39<HyperDevil>qwd: at the moment for 1.5 weeks hopefully.. then after that it is possible?
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14:42<qwd>HyperDevil: I'm sure there will be a backport eventually but Squeeze will stay the same once it goes stable.
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15:11<kombucha>I've just backported git 1.7 into Lenny, and now the path to git-clone is broken. How can a reset this path systemwide?
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15:16<Guest1235>there is somebody that can help me for a server with debian inside?
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15:19<Guest1235>there is someone
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15:19<Guest1235>that can help me?
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15:24<mjt>!tell Guest1235 -about ask
15:24<Guest1235>I have a pc atom
15:24<Guest1235>and I want to use it as a internet pc to server
15:25<Guest1235>I installed inside it debian
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15:25<Guest1235>in my laptop I use debian squeeze
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15:25<Guest1235>I can go inside the server with ssh
15:25<Guest1235>but is I ask to server x to sturp up it answer me that I haven't monutor
15:26<Guest1235> I can go inside it with a remote grafical desktop?
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15:26<mjt>ssh -X
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15:27<Guest1235>I use it to connect to server
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15:28<Guest1235>now I used ssh -x name@ip
15:29<mjt>-x disables X forwarding
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15:30<devil>Guest1235: you need to enable X11Forwarding yes
15:30<mjt>on the server in sshd_config
15:31<Guest1235>command not found
15:31<Guest1235>or is a file?
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15:33<devil>Guest1235: /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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15:36<babilen>Guest1235: try "ssh -X" not "ssh -x" (X vs x) -- and check your /etc/ssl/sshd_config as noted by devil
15:36<devil>s/ssl/ssh :)
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15:38<Guest1235>I'm inside only in text mode
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15:38<mjt>heh. But what do you _want_ to achieve, exactly?
15:39<mjt>run a file manager? a browser?
15:39<mjt>bash: ok: command not found
15:39<Guest1235>I want use the server from my laptop..with a grafical remote desktop
15:40<mjt>what is "use" ?
15:40<Guest1235>in the laptop
15:40<Guest1235>debian squeeze
15:40<Guest1235>same in server
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15:43<devil>hm, i do not get the idea
15:44<devil>Guest1235: servers usualy do not have X
15:45<Guest1235>so, how I can see graficaly what I can do in the server? there isn't a mode
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15:45<mjt>it's ok to have X on a server
15:45<Guest1235>or I must do all by terminal?
15:45<devil>so, if no X11 is installed, there is no way for a gfx environment
15:46<Guest1235> use xchat in the server
15:46<Guest1235>and trasmission
15:46<Guest1235>what I must do?
15:46<Guest1235>I mean from terminal
15:46<devil>Guest1235: ssh -X should get you there if X11
15:46<devil>Forwarding is enabled
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15:46<mjt>that's what i asked - what is "use" ?
15:47<mjt>so you run xchat and transmission
15:47<mjt>from terminal
15:47<Guest1235>serveratom:/home/ampi# startx
15:47<Guest1235>X: warning; process set to priority -1 instead of requested priority 0
15:47<Guest1235>X.Org X Server 1.4.2
15:47<Guest1235>Release Date: 11 June 2008
15:47<Guest1235>X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
15:47<mjt>but i _guess_ it's not what you want
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15:47<mjt>he most likely wants vnc or a non-gui versions of the same apps
15:48<devil>something the like
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15:48<mjt>because else it'll be impossible to turn off the pc
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15:49<Guest1235>sempre io
15:49<Guest1235>e che non ti posso postare cosa mi scrive il terminale
15:49<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
15:50<mjt>"much more help" heh
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15:51<e-mode>I think it was just an automatic thing... happens to me too... sometimes I forget to use one language and fallback to my language as a default (or to English too sometimes)
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15:54<onigirya>hello back
15:55<will>i added the 1366x768 to my xorg.conf but the monitor of my laptop can't switch to this new resolution
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15:55<devil>will: what release?
15:55<mjt>um, xorg.conf is obsolete even in lenny, no?
15:55<dpkg>From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>.
15:56<devil>mjt: depends
15:56<will>according to the xorg.0.log it's limited to 1024x768 max
15:56<mjt>anyway, it's randr
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15:56<devil>will: what card and driver?
15:57<will>it's a toshiba c660d-120 with what it seems to be an ati hd4250
15:57<devil>if its intel, you might aswell try and mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.old
15:57<devil>ok, radeon driver?
15:58<will>default driver
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15:58<mjt>vesa? :)
15:58<devil>ok, you might give 'mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.old' a try and restart X
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15:59<hamush>hi, does anyone know if there's a built-in standard way to generate a /etc/apt/sources.list in debian?
15:59<devil>if it does not work, revert it
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15:59<mjt>hamush: generate from what?
15:59<devil>mjt: that would explain the resolution
15:59<hamush>mjt: from whatever the debian-installer maintainers thought was a sane default, maybe?
16:00<mjt>hamush: debian installer placed the installation media into there
16:00<mjt>hamush: see /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
16:00<will>devil: ok i'll try that
16:01<hamush>mjt: perfect, that's exactly what i was looking for, thanks!
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16:02<devil>…if it was always that easy :)
16:03<mjt>i guess will will have a bit harder time with that stuff, -- installing real radeon driver, which means kernel and X from squeeze...
16:03<mjt>"will will"
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16:04<will>well it doesn t work better
16:04<mjt>see? :)
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16:05<mjt>will: which driver it actually uses?
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16:06<mjt>heh. i don't even know how to check. "grep -i driver xorg.log" shows lots of unrelated stuff and several drivers being tried.
16:06<s4br3>jmm__: Hi, are you the same as jm_?
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16:08<mjt>will: maybe "grep Driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log" - see which one is actually being loaded. Mine is:
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16:08<devil>cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i driver
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16:09<mjt><mjt> ... "grep -i driver xorg.log" shows lots of unrelated stuff
16:09<jordanb>I'm trying to get my usb headset working
16:09<mjt>heh. I was thinking about asking that too ;)
16:10<jordanb>when I plugged it in it appeared in the gnome mixer as a tab I can click on, and its builtin volume control works the gnome volume widget
16:10<jordanb>but no sound comes out
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16:10<devil>cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep GPU workd for nvidia
16:10<jordanb>all the stuff I can find on the internet suggests that I need to 'select' it as the audio i/o device, and I should be able to do that in preferences -> sound, but there's no such control to select an output device there
16:10<mjt>jordanb: you probably have to select it as output device
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16:11<mjt>will: so which driver it uses?
16:11<jordanb>yeah the instructions on the internet say to do that, but they're all written for ubuntu and the sound mixer control looks a lot different in their screenshots
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16:11<will>mjt: "X.Org Video Driver: 2.0"
16:12<mjt>jordanb: it's not specific to ubuntu/debian, it's about the desktop environment
16:12<mjt>will: no, not that one, like this:
16:12<mjt>(II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets:
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16:12<mjt>will: or VESA, or whatever
16:13<jordanb>mjt: Did gnome recently remove a ton of options from the sound control?
16:13<Some_Person>Which is better for use on an SD card: ext3 or ext4?
16:13<Some_Person>why ext2?
16:13<jordanb>mjt: Because the options the internet thinks I sould maniuplate don't exist in my control
16:13<mjt>will: or failing that, see "grep drivers /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and see which ones it does NOT unload.
16:13<will>mjt: "(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//"
16:13<abrotman>Some_Person: the journaling of ext3/4 causes more wear and tear
16:13<mjt>will: there are several drivers loaded, and a few of them will be unloaded
16:13<Some_Person>Ah, and should I go with or without swap on an SD?
16:14<s4br3>Some_Person: and ext2 is very fast
16:14<mjt>jordanb: maybe just older version
16:14<jordanb>I'm running a pretty new version of debian testing on this machine
16:14<s4br3>Some_Person: SSD or SD?
16:14<Some_Person>SDHC card
16:14<Some_Person>not SSD
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16:15<mjt>will: or, put it another way, does it load anything in addition to vesa_drv and fbdev_drv ?
16:15<jordanb>and the examples I can find are from a few years ago, which leads me to believe that gnome removed them for some reason, or that ubuntu is adding them and they're not avaliable in debian
16:15<s4br3>Some_Person: What use will it have?
16:15<mjt>jordanb: url please, instead of speculating
16:15<jordanb>if gnome removed them, presumably, I could do this from some other place
16:15<Some_Person>s4br3: Install of Debian
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16:15<Some_Person>on machine with no HD (for now at least)
16:15<s4br3>Some_Person: How much RAM?
16:15<Some_Person>1 GB
16:16<@Ganneff>i wouldnt put swap on sd
16:16<@Ganneff>but its less bad than journaling fs
16:16<s4br3>Some_Person: Several apps require a swap...
16:16<@Ganneff>s4br3: since when
16:16<Some_Person>s4br3: Like what?
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16:17<s4br3>Cannot remember, but "I read it somewhere", which is why I retain 256MB, even if I have 8GB in RAM
16:18<Some_Person>I'll try it with just ext2, no swap
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16:19<@Ganneff>s4br3: its wrong.
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16:20<mjt>jordanb: here's mine:
16:21<mjt>will: so yes, that's vesa for you, and that's um, unfortunate
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16:21<dpkg>[radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI ( The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Squeeze users: ask me about <radeon firmware>. #radeon on See also <radeonhd>, <fglrx>.
16:22<mjt>i _think_ hd* cards aren't supported in lenny even with backports, you need an X server from squeeze.
16:22<s4br3>Ganneff: It appears I live in the old and ugly cave: :|
16:23<will>well maybe i should wait the next stable release
16:23<@Ganneff>s4br3: you realize they talk about windows, which is not entirely this channels topic?
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16:23<mjt>will: or at least try installing that package.
16:23<mjt>will: xserver-xorg-video-radeon, that is
16:23<s4br3>Yup, that's what I mean. I must have transferred that old and ugly wisdom...
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16:24<mjt>will: but i don't rememer if it supports your card, it worked for older stuff, <R600
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16:25<will>i remember the libre driver support only upto 2xxx
16:25<cybercaffe>hi al;l
16:25<will>and i can see i already have this package
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16:26<mjt>yeah, as i suspected.
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16:26<mjt>will: you can update now just fine, squeeze wont be very different from todays version
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16:28<cybercaffe>hi a:::L
16:28<will>indeed but i would prefer to avoid some mysterious bugs :-)
16:29<cybercaffe>раша рулит!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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16:30<@Ganneff>cybercaffe: english only
16:30*Some_Person has found a bug with the squeeze installer: if default display mode is unsupported, hitting install leads to frozen screen. workaround: choose help, hit enter to install (it prompts to choose display mode if unsupported)
16:30<cybercaffe>who tell?
16:30<dpkg>Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a word meaning "from within". A german prefix for refering to something very old. Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For Debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya.
16:30<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
16:30<devil>cybercaffe: channel policy
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16:31<cybercaffe>i love you allllllllL!!!!!!!!!!!! пока!!!!!!!!!!!!
16:31<@Ganneff>Some_Person: see 5.4.6
16:31-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*gt@*] by Ganneff
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16:31<mjt>crazy russians
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16:32<devil>let me claim his exclamation marks, they will last me a good couple months.
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16:36<s4br3>A few days into Xmas I bought a new 2TB HD, which has ext4 and has been used for storage. My system is on an SSD also w ext4. I have experienced three serious disksleeps and I have now created spindown_time = 0 in hdparm.conf. Is this worth mentioning in a bug report for Debian Sid?
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16:38<lukasoft>Hello, I have a 64 bit debian install that I just did (lenny), and I can't figure out how to install drivers for my ATI x1300
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16:39<lukasoft>it seems some of the drivers won't work for the x1300 specifically, but i've run ubuntu and it worked fine, so there has to be some solution. any help is appreciated
16:39<jhutchins_lt>s4br3: Only if you can confirm that it's either a kernel bug or a problem specific to debian.
16:40<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
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16:41<dpkg>[radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI ( The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Squeeze users: ask me about <radeon firmware>. #radeon on See also <radeonhd>, <fglrx>.
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16:41<s4br3>jhutchins: How could I do that?! There is nothing in the bug on hdparm and/or spindown_time which is similar to this. I got help here at the irc, but after a few days the issues were back
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16:42<jhutchins_lt>s4br3: I would say try a different distribution, possibly via live CD. I'd go for something significantly different like a RedHat variation or SuSE.
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16:43<jhutchins_lt>At 4-6G for a full install you could fit a LOT of different distros on a 2TB drive.
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16:43<s4br3>jhutchins: :)
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16:43<jhutchins_lt>s4br3: I'd also do a pretty thorough google search for your specific drive model.
16:44<s4br3>jhutchins: I did. It is a Seagate Barracuda 2TB, and I haven't read any bad wordings on that
16:45<jsdhifaps>what's new about the coming up squeeze despite the new kernel?
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16:46<jhutchins_lt>s4br3: Well, either you're the only one running d64 on one (unlikely) or maybe there's something wrong with the drive.
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16:47<s4br3>The 2nd crash came when I was trying to access the drive with Amarok, the 3rd with Blender. Both times it froze and System Monitor reported that my process of these apps were 'disk sleep' and not even kill -9 could wipe them
16:47<s4br3>jhutchins: What is d64?
16:48<jhutchins_lt>Debian 64b.
16:48<will>mjt: thanks for your help, i need to go
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16:48<jhutchins_lt>!tell jsdhifaps about squeeze release notes
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16:50<babilen>jsdhifaps: (work in progress)
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16:51<jhutchins_lt>s4br3: It's possible there's a bug in the driver for the controller, but I'd be suspicious of the drive.
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16:53<jsdhifaps>Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 is the first GNU/Linux distribution release ever to offer comprehensive support for magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) based neuroimaging research.
16:53<s4br3>jhutchins: No idea what it might be, but ext4 cannot handle it with grace. I need to fsck -sAMRV
16:54<s4br3>as it typically cannot repair it by itself
16:54<babilen>jsdhifaps: Why do you think that is funny?
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16:54<jhutchins_lt>s4br3: Well, you could try ext3, see if it works any different, but I doubt it will.
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16:56<cd>Hi guys! How can I send the console output that came (back) in a ssh connection from my PC to my debian gateway - to the display (monitor) that is connected to my debian gateway? Thanks.
16:56<s4br3>Apparently, by setting spindown_time = 0 one deactivates the disk sleep altogether, which I hope is the fault. I will copy the hd to an external tomorrow
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16:57<mjt>well, it should have disabled sleep time by default
16:58<mjt>(depends on the firmware ofcourse)
16:58<s4br3>mjt: I did not activate it.
16:58<mjt>what it?
16:59<s4br3>mjt: I did not activate the disk sleep
16:59<mjt>that's what i'm talking about
16:59<mjt>most drives have sleep disabled by default
16:59<mjt>and if it's really that, you can hear when it starts
17:00<s4br3>In the beginning I noticed that all file managers hard a harder and harder time showing directories, up to two minutes.
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17:00<mjt>fsck has nothing to do with that, too
17:00<s4br3>mjt, no but fsck became needed because of the hard freezes
17:00<mjt>how hard is hard?
17:00<s4br3>Like a bitmap file
17:01<mjt>is bitmap file hard?
17:01<s4br3>I had to turn the power off, after wiating an hour
17:01<mjt>i mean, did you finally hit reset
17:01<mjt>and during that time, what about other programs accessing the same drive?
17:02<s4br3>No way
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17:02<mjt>you should have lots of stuff in dmesg
17:02<s4br3>where do I find that?
17:02<mjt>/var/log/kernel.log assuming your /var is on a different drive
17:03<mjt>er kern.log not kernel.log
17:04<s4br3>mjt: The hard drive is working again, after the reboot. and cat /var/log/dmesg is not very long
17:04<mjt>var/log/dmesg is from current boot
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17:08<s4br3>mjt: Yes, it is all there. Want to see some relevant parts?
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17:09<mjt>just pastebin a few
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17:16<mjt>Jan 22 15:07:59 dual kernel: [27667.987648] ata4.00: device reported invalid CHS sector 0
17:16<mjt>that's a 2T drive, right?
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17:18<mjt>that looks like the drive's firmware is confused
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17:21<s4br3>IIRC there is amessage about smartcontrol too
17:21<mjt>for that use smartctl -a
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17:22<mjt>i'd collect that stuff and post to
17:22<s4br3>Is it safe? I saw that Samsung had sent out a warning for their hard drives and smartctl. But the internet is big and I didnt see anything for Seagte
17:23<mjt>um, if it's not safe you can RMA it immediately, like any samsung drive you mentioned
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17:23<s4br3>tomorrow, after a backup...
17:24<s4br3>Thanks for the perspectives
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17:25<mjt>you're welcome
17:25<s4br3>BTW, did you mean I should send the output of the smartctl or the kern.log or both?
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17:59<sret>anyone awake
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18:00<sret>anyone using NX server here ?
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18:02<diederik>sret: just ask your question (I don't use NX server)
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18:03<sret>just want to know if it's any good compared to himachi or VNC
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18:04<sret>i havent tried vnc over a remote machine yet, just used it locally, i want to try something oer a remote machine to see if it lags, ssh+x11 port forwarding lags like crazy. is NX or himachi supposed to work like cisco's webex or x11vnc?
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18:05<abrotman>freenx or non-free?
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18:05<sret>whatever is freely available for linux and wont lag if used in a remote machine
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18:07<sret>and most of these guys use ssh, so imwondering if there's going to be a relative lag ? i tried cisco's webex from a company machineand it was amazingly fast, so was looking for an alternative for linux and came across NX , VNC(i have this now), and himachi
18:08<sret>i looked at freenx but its been rewritten to neatx so nt sure if that works the same like what NX has in their download pages for debian
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18:16<sret>abrotman: any ideas
18:16<abrotman>i've never used NX .. so i can't comment on it
18:16<sret>abrotman: ok what do you use though?
18:17<sret>yeh just plain ssh or x11 port forwarding too?
18:18<sret>plain ssh runing in a terminal doesnt lag, but trying to run apps on the remote machine takes a toll
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18:39<Arrowmaster>how can you install a package and have debconf ask low priority questions as a one time operation? ive come up with `aptitude/apt-get -o DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs="/usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt --priority=low" install package` but thats rather long
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18:44<themill>!man 7 debconf
18:44<dpkg>man 7 debconf is probably at , where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>.
18:45<themill>Arrowmaster: ^^ see the DEBIAN_PRIORITY environment variable
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18:47<Arrowmaster>ok so because of sudo now using env_reset by default if doing this to give directions to somebody i should tell them to use su i guess
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18:49<nevyn>env_reset is the onlyuy sane default
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18:51<Arrowmaster>agree but it does cause some problems
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18:56<Arrowmaster>oh wait SETENV is implied for ALL so i could use `sudo DEBIAN_PRIORITY=low aptitude install package` right
18:59<sret>doesnt debian have freenx in the pkg manager?
19:00<sret>dont see it listed in synpatic
19:00<Arrowmaster>,versions freenx
19:00<judd>Sorry, no package named 'freenx' was found in i386.
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19:01<dpkg>FreeNX is a GPL implementation of the <NX> server and client components. There are no FreeNX packages in official Debian repositories, see Debian bug #255850. #nx on
19:01<sret>how do i check the bug
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19:02<sret>wow thats an old one, 2004
19:02<abrotman>doesn't mean the bug is resolved
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19:54<sret>ok how do i stop x11vnc?
19:55<sret>i did a ps -a but i dont see it running although what's the command to stop the process? i tried x11vnc -kill :1 doesnt work i guess
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20:01<pseudonymous>wutup mah niggaz
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20:11<sret>can someone tell me how to know if x11vnc is rnning
20:12<sret>ps aux |grep x11vnc shows me a line, not sure its running though
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20:13<diederik>sret: does it say "grep x11vnc"? if so, it's not running
20:14<sret>it says grep x11vnc, thanks man
20:14<sret>diederik: how do you stop the process though? is it using x11vnc -kill :1? that got me a few errors
20:16<diederik>sret: see man kill
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20:17<sret>i know to use kill -9 pid, but for x11vnc they say dont force a kill option, but isnt there a way to terminate it?
20:17<diederik>then see the man page of x11vnc to see if they provide a better way
20:18<jordanm>sret: if there is no init script, kill <pid> without the -9
20:18<sret>the man page is confusing as crazy
20:18<jordanm>sret: only in rare circumstances is a SIGKILL nescessary
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20:19<sret>jordanm: ok thanks, but for vnc4server we had to do a vnc4server -kill :1
20:19<sret>shouldnt x11vnc have sometihng like that?
20:19<sret>instead of killing the process
20:20<diederik>where did you see that you should kill x11vnc? Then there is probably where the provide the better approach
20:20<diederik>and if not, try googling it
20:20<jordanm>sret: there is nothing wrong with calling kill on a proc. thats what an init script does. procs "trap" a kill signal such as SIGTERM and perform an action based on the signal
20:20<jordanm>with the exception of a SIGKILL, which is untrapable and can leave a mess behind
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20:21<diederik>*should not kill
20:21<diederik>*where they
20:21<diederik>(must be getting late)
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20:21<sret>okif there's no issues killing it i guess i can do that, thanks diederik , jordanm
20:22<sret>so if an app is running and you want to terminate it, the only way to do this is by issuing a kill? dont apps have a way to terminate ?
20:23<jordanm>sret: yep, kill. have a look at some of the scripts in /etc/init.d and how they terminate procs
20:23<sret>hats bizarre though, its almostlike in windows having to go to processes and ending them
20:23<sret>rather than just clicking X, kill a process, you see what i mean right?
20:24<jordanm>sret: init scripts provide an easy way of doing so
20:25<diederik>when you want to close Iceweasel for example, you can click the X in the top-right corner, do File - Quit or Ctl+Q
20:25<sret>i dont have an init.d/
20:25<diederik>so (afaik) it depends on the program
20:25<diederik> /etc/init.d/
20:25<sret>h found it
20:26<sret>ah ok thanks
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20:26<sret>x11vnc is fast, gonna drop the idea of using freenx or whatever
20:27<sret>later all, evening
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20:37<diederik>I have a question about the dpkg bot
20:37<hunayn>I installed squeeze amd64 AND have no sound - how to install alsa - there is something with m-a or some alsa reinstallation - can anyone tell me how to do it >
20:38<diederik>When it says "ask me about <blabla>" and I type blabla I sometimes get an answer but not always
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20:38<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <default alsa>. #alsa on
20:38<jordanm>!tell hunayn about linux checklist
20:38<jordanm>!tell hunayn about alsa checklist
20:39<diederik>for example when I type "ssh without passwd" it says to ask for "keychain" and "ssh-askpass"
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20:40<diederik>keychain gives a (normal) answer, but ssh-askpass not
20:40<diederik>(although the latter made me ROTFLMAO)
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20:40<ml|>I find keychain very useful
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20:42<diederik>maybe it's also useful in my case, but am now wondering how to use the dpkg bot
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20:46<ml|>remember dpkgbot is trained by monkeys/humans ;)
20:47<diederik>and it shows (in a positive way)
20:48<diederik><dpkg> I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
20:48<diederik>[23:26] <diederik> yes
20:48<diederik>[23:26] <dpkg> really??? wohoo!
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21:05<diederik>should I see a doctor if I keep laughing at the dpkg bot?
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21:17<TCW>what package did create those user folders (music, pics, docs...) again?
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21:22<WhiteHattedExodius>Hey guys
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21:31<jordanm>TCW: they are typically created by a compliant DE upon first login
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21:34<TCW>jordanm, yes.... but there was a package for that iirc... and a chance to modify the path it creates...
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21:45<jordanm>TCW: if you altered the path it would no longer meet the freedesktop standard
21:47<jordanm>TCW: actually, I may be incorrect as I am having difficulty finding the specification in questions, but freedesktop does have a ton of them
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21:53<drone77>I'm looking to set up a user account on my system that is only able to run a single application (mocp, well a shell also) via SSH. Could someone point me in the right direction as to how to go about it? Cheers
21:54<dpkg>i guess jail is only in bsd. see <vserver>
21:54<drone77>jordanm: chroot jail is what i should look at then?
21:54<jordanm>drone77: you can setup openssh in a chroot with only a limited set of binaries, including that command, or you can provide a shell, which is basically just that command
21:55<jordanm>,info mocp
21:55<judd>No record of package 'mocp' in lenny/i386.
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21:55<drone77>jordanm: setting up a shell as that command would work?
21:55<jordanm>drone77: depends on the command and what it does
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21:55<jordanm>drone77: I don't see mocp available in debian
21:55<drone77>jordanm: listed as moc in packages
21:56<jordanm>,info moc
21:56<judd>Package moc (sound, optional) in lenny/i386: ncurses based console audio player. Version: 1:2.5.0~alpha3+svn20080629-2; Size: 209.3k; Installed: 588k; Homepage:; Screenshot:
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22:00<drone77>jordanm: ta for the pointers
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22:04<cthuluh>well, one problem with using moc is that it's file system based, so you can't easily restrict the user to a chroot
22:05<cthuluh>using, say, mpd and ncmpc could be more elegant
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22:10<drone77>cthuluh: i hadn't thought to look at anything else (don't know why not). That's probably a much better idea...
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22:17<drone77>cthuluh: so would it be possible to set up a restricted chroot with limited binaries and allow for connection to the mpd?
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22:22<cthuluh>drone77: look out for keywords like: Match, CHrootDirectory, ForceCommand in mn ssh_config
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22:27<drone77>cthuluh: thank you
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22:30<prock>any one experinced with gentoo here
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22:39<dpkg>Gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than two of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See also or ask me about <greenhouse>., or rice rice rice rice, or, or ask me about <funroll-loops>. #gentoo on
22:39<sney>he left like 10 minutes ago
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22:55<setuid>I threw together a quick survey about cloud-based storage (specific to how we manage our data in the cloud, from Linux and other machines)... I'd love to hear some responses:
22:55<setuid>I'm building a Debian-based solution to fill the voids in the above cloud niche
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22:58<setuid>If I've missed any obvious answers or questions that should go on the form, please let me know (here or via the email address on the form itself)
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23:04<hunayn>I want to install Skype 2.1 beta in Debian Squeeze AMD64 - only available option is i386 means 32 bit - can anyone tell me how to install it in AMD64 ?
23:06<setuid>hunayn, There's a 64-bit available, I just installed it last night
23:06<setuid>Or you can use the static build... skype_static-
23:06<setuid>Static build supports more audio hardware
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23:06<setuid>(i.e. pulseaudio, esd, etc.)
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23:08<hunayn>setuid, can you tell me where did you get it ? - so you have to make make install reboot ?
23:08<setuid>hunayn, reboot? You should never have to reboot...
23:09<setuid>hunayn, Use the static version
23:09<hunayn>aside that ... can you tell me where you got it ? - the Ubuntu 64 binary was told to be not 100% compatible with Debian
23:10<setuid>That's where I got it
23:10<setuid>$ dpkg -l | grep skype && uname -m
23:10<setuid>ii skype Skype
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23:11<setuid>The actual 64-bit Skype package for Ubuntu contains 32-bit binaries and libs
23:11<setuid>Just use the static version
23:11<hunayn>thanks = I am download ing it
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23:20<setuid>It's mighty quiet in here for a channel with 418 people
23:21<sney>it happens
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23:23<hunayn>setuid: where did you place the folder with skype ?
23:23<hunayn>and how did you run it ?
23:23<knax>Whats the best DLNA streaming server for PS3 ? im using Fuppes but its too slow (movie get stuck no buffer..) , i didnt have this problem with TVErsity on win. ...
23:23<setuid>hunayn, I unpacked it into /opt/, and ran it from there
23:24<setuid>hunayn, The Skype .deb pacakge, I just run from /usr/bin/skype
23:24<setuid>hunayn, I have both installed
23:24<hunayn>the deb package is 32 bit
23:24<setuid>$ file /opt/skype_static-
23:24<setuid>/opt/skype_static- ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, stripped
23:24<hunayn>the static is 65
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23:24<setuid>hunayn, The deb package I installed was 64-bit, and it contains 32-bit bins/libs, as does the static pacakge
23:25<hunayn>I see - what is opt for anyway ?
23:25<setuid>optional software
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23:25<hunayn>they recomend to put it in /usr/bin but I am not sure for debian should be there
23:26<setuid>Yeah, don't do that
23:26<setuid>/usr is for distro-supplied software
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23:26<setuid>/usr/local is for user-installed software
23:26<blal>After I blew a circuit breaker, my computer won't boot. I can get on when booting via a livecd (BackTrack in this case), and all data seems intact. When the computer would normally display the Grub (?) boot menu, it hangs. Numlock, etc. stop responding. Any clues what to do next?
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23:27<blal>I'm able to get the partitions mounted and apt going. Is there a simple-monolithic kernel package?
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23:28<knax>blal, i would try reinstalling grub ..
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23:29<blal>knax , you mean "grub-install /dev/hda" ? (The primary hdd is the IDE primary master.)
23:29<hunayn>setuid: unayn@gnulinux:~$ '/opt/skype_static-'
23:29<hunayn>/opt/skype_static- error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
23:30<knax>You should have a partition on your primary hard drive ..
23:31<knax>blal, run fdisk -l
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23:31<blal>knax , I have these partitions on that drive: hda1, hda2 (swap), hda3 ....
23:31<blal>knax , ok, I see the output. What am I looking for? The partition highlited w/ the * for bootable?
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23:33<knax>blal, exact
23:33<setuid>hunayn, apt-file search
23:34<blal>knax , Ok, that would be /dev/hda1 . Are you suggesting I run "grub-install /dev/hda1" ?
23:34<knax>blal, yep
23:34<knax>blal, that's what i would try :P
23:35<blal>knax , ok, will try that
23:35<hunayn>setuid: it is in /usr/lib
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23:40<ajay>hi knax
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23:43<hunayn>setuid thanks - still does not work - I will install the ia32 librARIES and install the deb i386
23:43<knax>stuid is gone :P
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23:48<dav1216>slightly better
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