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| 00:16 | <Esteban_> | has anyone here ever got module-assistant to work? I'm at my wits end ... |
| 00:17 | <sney> | several times in fact |
| 00:17 | <sney> | what module are you trying to assist? |
| 00:17 | <Esteban_> | sney: cool! |
| 00:17 | <Esteban_> | sney: /usr/src/modules/lirc-modules/lirc_dev.c:35:28: error: linux/autoconf.h: No such file or directory |
| 00:18 | <Esteban_> | ive been using make-kpkg for my headers on another machine |
| 00:18 | <sney> | start from the start |
| 00:18 | <sney> | what debian release, what kernel, what module |
| 00:19 | <Esteban_> | squeeze 2.6.35.10 custom-local-version lirc-modules-source 0.8.3-5 |
| 00:19 | <Esteban_> | i havent used module-assistant for a long time, because I never got it to work |
| 00:20 | <Esteban_> | i thought it might have had something to do with my "local-version" |
| 00:20 | <sney> | it likely does |
| 00:20 | <Esteban_> | so I'd always found a way around it |
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| 00:20 | <sney> | since you built your own kernel, why not just make your own module? |
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| 00:20 | <Esteban_> | but I tried making the same kernel without local version, and module assistant had the same error |
| 00:21 | <Esteban_> | sney: that sounds like a plan |
| 00:21 | <Esteban_> | i've been using make-kpkg since the start of 2.6 ... sooo |
| 00:21 | <Esteban_> | remind me how I make the module manually again :-) |
| 00:21 | <Esteban_> | or point :-) |
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| 00:22 | <sney> | module-assistant is just a tool to streamline dropping extra modules into debian's prebuilt kernels. if you're building kernel trees on your own, there's no point when you can just go to your kernel tree, enable the module in make menuconfig, then make modules (I believe that's the correct target, 'make help' will tell you for sure), find the correct .ko and then bung it into your /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 00:23 | <Esteban_> | cool |
| 00:23 | <Esteban_> | I'm not really building the tree on my own tho |
| 00:23 | <Esteban_> | just using a custom config |
| 00:24 | <sney> | it's fantastically easy once you've been around the block a few times. |
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| 00:24 | <sney> | almost all the modules/options are well documented within make menuconfig |
| 00:26 | <Esteban_> | yeah, the lirc modules are outside the kernel tree pre 2.6.36 |
| 00:27 | <Esteban_> | i tried the 2.6.36 in kernel tree lirc modules, but the changes confused the hell outta me, so I'm trying to use the last 2.6.35.10 with the old method |
| 00:27 | <sney> | lirc likely has documentation to patch them into the tree, or someone's documented it somewhere |
| 00:28 | <Esteban_> | because that method is at least documented |
| 00:28 | <Esteban_> | ok searching |
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| 00:33 | <Esteban_> | the more I read about lirc and ~2.6.3[5-6] the more I think I'll leave it well alone a few months :( |
| 00:33 | <sney> | on the other hand, Esteban_ |
| 00:33 | <Esteban_> | the module assistant error seems to be pretty common tho |
| 00:33 | <sney> | just an idiot check here - is your kernel source tree symlinked to /usr/src/linux ? |
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| 00:34 | <Esteban_> | yes, but m-a prepare fucks with it |
| 00:34 | <Esteban_> | it renames the link linux-OLDVER... and moves the link to linux-headers-...whatever it wants |
| 00:34 | <sney> | you only need to do m-a prepare the first time you install module-assistant |
| 00:34 | <Esteban_> | yup |
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| 00:34 | <sney> | so you can fix the symlink, then do your m-a a-i lirc? |
| 00:38 | <Esteban_> | yeah i tried that |
| 00:38 | <Esteban_> | i'll start again just to be suyre |
| 00:38 | <Esteban_> | purged it all |
| 00:38 | <Esteban_> | sudo dpkg-reconfigured lirc-moduels-source for mceusb |
| 00:38 | <Esteban_> | sudo m-a preparing .... |
| 00:39 | <Esteban_> | Getting source for kernel version: 2.6.35.10-io-00 |
| 00:39 | <Esteban_> | Kernel headers available in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.35.10-io-00 |
| 00:39 | <Esteban_> | and it freaks with the symbolic link again |
| 00:39 | <Esteban_> | linux-OLDVERSION.1295761135 -> linux-2.6.35.10 |
| 00:39 | <Esteban_> | linux -> linux-headers-2.6.35.10-io-00 |
| 00:40 | <Esteban_> | as opposed to linux -> linux-2.6.35.10/ as it was |
| 00:40 | <sney> | my question is why are you running m-a prepare at all |
| 00:40 | <Esteban_> | i just reinstalled m-a |
| 00:40 | <Esteban_> | so i shouldnt have done the prepare? |
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| 00:41 | <sney> | well, all m-a prepare does is set up the header symlink and install build-essential |
| 00:41 | <Esteban_> | indeed that is what it seems |
| 00:41 | <sney> | assuming build-essential is and has been installed, m-a prepare is useless to you |
| 00:41 | <Esteban_> | ok i'll put it back the way it was before the prepare |
| 00:42 | <sney> | and just do your build command without it |
| 00:42 | <Esteban_> | ok sudo m-a a-i lirc --text-mode |
| 00:42 | <Esteban_> | fails |
| 00:42 | <Esteban_> | now the issue I have is |
| 00:42 | <Esteban_> | /usr/src/modules/lirc-modules/lirc_dev.c:35:28: error: linux/autoconf.h: No such file or directory |
| 00:42 | <sney> | hmm. |
| 00:42 | <Esteban_> | linux / autoconf.h doesnt exist ANYWHERE in my system |
| 00:43 | <sney> | autoconf.h *is* in the standard header package |
| 00:43 | <jester54> | m-a prepare wont hurt anything if you run it... |
| 00:43 | <Esteban_> | it is in generated / autoconf.h or similar in all the headers |
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| 00:43 | <sney> | jester54: if he's using a nonstandard source tree it will, see above |
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| 00:44 | <Esteban_> | wait |
| 00:44 | <Esteban_> | it does exist: |
| 00:44 | <Esteban_> | ./linux-headers-2.6.35.10-io-00/include/generated/autoconf.h |
| 00:44 | <Esteban_> | ./linux-headers-2.6.35.10-io-00/autoconf.h |
| 00:44 | <sney> | it should be located at /usr/src/linux-headers*/include/linux/autoconf.h |
| 00:44 | <Esteban_> | but now after running module-assistant, linux/autoconf.h is pointing elsewhere! |
| 00:45 | <Esteban_> | the symlink has been moved again |
| 00:45 | <Esteban_> | so linux/autoconf.h wont work |
| 00:45 | <Esteban_> | as linux -> linux-headers-2.6.35.10-io-00 |
| 00:45 | <Esteban_> | and now linux-OLDVERSION.1295761347 -> linux-2.6.35.10 |
| 00:45 | <sney> | oi |
| 00:45 | <sney> | oh well |
| 00:45 | <Esteban_> | hmmm |
| 00:46 | <sney> | this is starting to bother me as well so I'm going to see if my amd64 machine will build it |
| 00:46 | <Esteban_> | cool! |
| 00:46 | <Esteban_> | thanks |
| 00:46 | <sney> | just for consistency, what's the CIR port type? |
| 00:46 | <Esteban_> | uuumm |
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| 00:47 | <sney> | my options are 'standard' and 'digimatrix' |
| 00:47 | <Esteban_> | i sudo dpkg-reconfigured just mceusb2 mceusb |
| 00:47 | <Esteban_> | and for that question i used standard |
| 00:47 | <Esteban_> | the next question i cant remember ... :/ |
| 00:47 | <Esteban_> | i think i just used the defaults |
| 00:47 | <Esteban_> | then reconfigured lirc-modules-source for mceusb and mceusb2 only |
| 00:48 | <Esteban_> | god damnit |
| 00:48 | <Esteban_> | the machine i was working on, just fell asleep! |
| 00:48 | <sney> | hmm, failed over here for different reasons, but now I've got the source tree to poke at |
| 00:48 | <Esteban_> | I'm on i386 |
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| 00:49 | <Esteban_> | but i initially compiled all my kernels on an AMD64 machine chroot debian32 for the machine with the remote |
| 00:49 | <Esteban_> | i think that makes sense |
| 00:49 | <sney> | yeah |
| 00:49 | <Esteban_> | anyway, it's faster :-) |
| 00:49 | <Esteban_> | ++ |
| 00:50 | <sney> | my amd64 machine is severely faster than the i386 one, if I'd offered to do the compile here we'd still be waiting :P |
| 00:50 | <Esteban_> | indeed! |
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| 00:50 | <Esteban_> | i couldnt get cross-compiling to work to save myself |
| 00:50 | <Esteban_> | with make-kpkg |
| 00:50 | <Esteban_> | so i gave up and built the chroot |
| 00:51 | <sney> | cross-compiling is a royal pain |
| 00:52 | <Esteban_> | good news! I thought it was just me ... |
| 00:52 | <sney> | I got it to work... once. in 2002. On PowerPC. and I have no idea how |
| 00:52 | <Esteban_> | heh |
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| 00:53 | <Esteban_> | the planets aligned and there was a simultaneous solar flare/coronal mass ejection |
| 00:54 | <sney> | indeed |
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| 00:55 | <Esteban_> | i mounted the kernel tree into tmpfs too, sped up the compile a bit/saved the ssd lots of garbage collection or whatever |
| 00:55 | <sney> | mm |
| 00:56 | <sney> | ok, so since this seems to be consistently broken, my next place to send you is bugs.debian.org for the package lirc-modules-source |
| 00:56 | <Esteban_> | the bug process scares me |
| 00:56 | <sney> | and see how common your issue is |
| 00:56 | <sney> | no filing, just reading |
| 00:56 | <Esteban_> | I'm only little :-) |
| 00:56 | <Esteban_> | ok cool |
| 00:56 | <Esteban_> | i'll have a good read |
| 00:56 | <Esteban_> | thanks so much for your help man |
| 00:56 | <sney> | enjoy |
| 00:56 | <Esteban_> | debian rocks |
| 00:56 | <sney> | no problem |
| 00:57 | <Esteban_> | 7 machines and counting :-) |
| 00:57 | <Esteban_> | (slowly subverting all my work machines) |
| 00:57 | <sney> | haha word |
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| 01:16 | <mae> | hi |
| 01:17 | <sney> | hi |
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| 01:20 | <brandon> | <-IRC noob here, just wondering how this works? i am having an issue installing windows in a virtual machine and i am having some issues, is this a good place to look for help? |
| 01:21 | <sney> | a windows channel would be better suited |
| 01:21 | <brandon> | thank you |
| 01:21 | <sney> | do /server irc.freenode.net and then do /join #windows |
| 01:22 | <brandon> | thanks again :) |
| 01:22 | <sney> | np |
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| 01:22 | <brandon> | /server irc.freenode.net |
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| 01:59 | * | bintut waves |
| 02:00 | <bintut> | i'm planning to add the full path /var/www/html/project-one/dir1/dir2/*.swf to my php apc.ini's apc.filters directive so that all the files with an extension of .swf should not be cached.. what is the correct way to have it comply to POSIX extended regular expressions? |
| 02:00 | <bintut> | what i did was -^\/var\/www\/html\/project-one\/dir1\/dir2\/*\.swf$ but i'm not sure if it really works properly or not.. |
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| 02:13 | <lulzyboy> | guys, ive added unstable to my apt-get and managed to screw up my system |
| 02:13 | <lulzyboy> | how can i repair it, its lenny |
| 02:16 | <streuner> | lulzyboy: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 02:17 | <lulzyboy> | how the hell do i get the line |
| 02:17 | <streuner> | just run /exec -o dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 02:18 | <lulzyboy> | i cant get | to run it |
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| 02:18 | <streuner> | copy and paste? |
| 02:18 | <lulzyboy> | cant |
| 02:18 | <lulzyboy> | only have access to single user |
| 02:18 | <lulzyboy> | so in terminal on there |
| 02:19 | <streuner> | well, how are you able to added unstable to sources.list then? |
| 02:19 | <lulzyboy> | what are you pressing to get | |
| 02:19 | <lulzyboy> | i added that BEFORE it screwed it |
| 02:19 | <lulzyboy> | apt-get upgraded, rebooted and now it hangs on boot |
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| 02:20 | <lulzyboy> | how are you getting |? |
| 02:21 | <streuner> | so it just stops at the fsck process? |
| 02:21 | <lulzyboy> | no |
| 02:21 | <lulzyboy> | @~}~:{ |
| 02:21 | <streuner> | but it boots the kernel? |
| 02:21 | <lulzyboy> | ah |
| 02:21 | <lulzyboy> | yes |
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| 02:21 | <lulzyboy> | then it hangs at nfs |
| 02:22 | <streuner> | hm |
| 02:22 | <lulzyboy> | all i can do |
| 02:22 | <lulzyboy> | is get it to show ¦ |
| 02:22 | <lulzyboy> | not | |
| 02:22 | <streuner> | just use a live CD and make changes |
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| 02:23 | <lulzyboy> | however, running without tail-1, i get desired: unknown/install/remove/purge/hold |
| 02:23 | <louis> | list |
| 02:23 | <lulzyboy> | status not/inst/half |
| 02:23 | <streuner> | sure, you need to be root... |
| 02:23 | <lulzyboy> | however it says libc6 2.11.2-9 |
| 02:23 | <lulzyboy> | im root |
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| 02:24 | <streuner> | what mount say about / ? |
| 02:24 | <streuner> | its only ro? |
| 02:24 | <lulzyboy> | /dev/sda1 already mounted or /busy |
| 02:25 | <streuner> | /dev/sda3 on / type jfs (rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro) |
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| 02:26 | <streuner> | anyway, you are running not stable/lenny anymore |
| 02:26 | <lulzyboy> | syntax error |
| 02:26 | <lulzyboy> | correct |
| 02:26 | <streuner> | just backup your important data and reinstall |
| 02:26 | <lulzyboy> | the problem i have |
| 02:26 | <lulzyboy> | i cant backup anything |
| 02:26 | <lulzyboy> | so is there an option to REPAIR |
| 02:26 | <lulzyboy> | rather than reinstall |
| 02:27 | <streuner> | why arent you able to backup? |
| 02:27 | <lulzyboy> | how can i |
| 02:27 | <lulzyboy> | i have no access to it |
| 02:27 | <streuner> | via LIVE-CD |
| 02:27 | <cahoot> | livecd |
| 02:27 | <lulzyboy> | cant you just repair without? |
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| 02:28 | <louis> | t |
| 02:28 | <louis> | !list |
| 02:28 | <dpkg> | VATTENE VIA! |
| 02:28 | <nutshell> | is there a way i can join irc.icq.com server on xchat? |
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| 02:29 | <TheScene> | I need help installing apt-get on iphone plz |
| 02:30 | <streuner> | dpkg, listkeys iphone |
| 02:30 | <dpkg> | Factoid search of 'iphone' by key (1): iphone. |
| 02:30 | <nutshell> | is there a way i can join irc.icq.com server on xchat? |
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| 02:32 | <TheScene> | I need to install apt-get , got the tar , wher eDo I untar and dpkg ? |
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| 02:37 | <lulzyboy> | The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system. |
| 02:37 | <lulzyboy> | To avoid needless downloads, please do not download other CD or DVD image files unless you know that you need packages on them. |
| 02:37 | <lulzyboy> | does this mean i can apt-get the rest of the pacakges? |
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| 02:50 | <sney> | lulzyboy: yes |
| 02:51 | <cahoot> | TheScene: if you have dpkg - simply dpkg -i the deb? |
| 02:51 | <lulzyboy> | right btw |
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| 02:51 | <lulzyboy> | i removed the problem of samba |
| 02:51 | <lulzyboy> | now its up i have no network |
| 02:51 | <lulzyboy> | ifconfig just shows loopback |
| 02:51 | <sney> | what if you do 'ifconfig eth0 up' |
| 02:51 | <sney> | or wlan0, if you're on wireless |
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| 02:52 | <lulzyboy> | shows as running |
| 02:52 | <lulzyboy> | but broadcast running multicast |
| 02:52 | <lulzyboy> | no ip |
| 02:52 | <sney> | dhclient eth0 |
| 02:52 | <lulzyboy> | ok it got an ip now |
| 02:53 | <sney> | nothing wrong then, just not set to do it automatically |
| 02:53 | <lulzyboy> | theres lots wrong lol |
| 02:53 | <lulzyboy> | now its up |
| 02:53 | <lulzyboy> | you can ssh in if you want |
| 02:53 | <sney> | nothing wrong with your lan connection, anyway |
| 02:54 | <lulzyboy> | no |
| 02:54 | <lulzyboy> | the install is still screwed |
| 02:54 | <TheScene> | where can I find apt-get ? |
| 02:54 | <sney> | that's ok, I'm sure you can sort it out without giving anyone else access to your computer |
| 02:54 | <sney> | TheScene: I didn't know apt was available for the iphone. |
| 02:54 | <lulzyboy> | i cant |
| 02:54 | <cahoot> | TheScene: packages.debian.org |
| 02:55 | <lulzyboy> | server:~# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 02:55 | <lulzyboy> | ii libc6 2.11.2-9 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 02:55 | <lulzyboy> | thjere |
| 02:55 | <lulzyboy> | i can do it now |
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| 02:58 | <EmleyMoor> | How, from a Debian system, can I create a FreeDOS boot USB stick? |
| 02:58 | <sney> | get the freedos boot image, then do cat foo.img > /dev/bar |
| 02:58 | <sney> | where bar is /dev/sdb or whatever your usb stick comes up as |
| 03:04 | <EmleyMoor> | sney: That easy? Hmmm... will check it out |
| 03:05 | <sney> | mkdosfs can't create bootable volumes so you need a premade image. syslinux may also be necessary, depending on what freedos offers |
| 03:05 | <EmleyMoor> | Hmmm... all that stick does when booted is print "FreeDOS" |
| 03:06 | <sney> | maybe the md5sum doesn't match, but you're on the right track I think |
| 03:06 | <cthuluh> | I boot freedos using pxe, works fine |
| 03:06 | <sney> | oh, after the cat part sometimes it helps to 'sync' a few times to make sure the write isn't cached |
| 03:08 | <EmleyMoor> | cthuluh: Details? |
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| 03:09 | <yang_> | hey, why is there no insight package available? |
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| 03:10 | <EmleyMoor> | yang_: What is "insight"? |
| 03:10 | <yang_> | graphic end of gdb |
| 03:10 | <EmleyMoor> | Hmmm... ODIN image just gives lots of ".Error!." |
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| 03:11 | <sney> | yang_: ask the maintainer. looks like it was in lenny but not squeeze |
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| 03:12 | <yang_> | the gdb maintainer? |
| 03:12 | <cthuluh> | EmleyMoor: that's weird. my freedos image is 2.5MB large => I can't remember where I have found it. otherwise, it's a plain pxe boot using memdisk |
| 03:12 | <sney> | yang_: actually, looks like your answers are here: http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/insight.html |
| 03:13 | <cthuluh> | EmleyMoor: oh yeah, I had taken it from SystemRescueCd |
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| 03:14 | <yang_> | Ah.. nobody wanted it. |
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| 03:23 | <EmleyMoor> | Hmmm... |
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| 03:24 | <EmleyMoor> | Still getting no further with FreeDOS |
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| 04:07 | <Rapsodius> | Hi! I have an old computer, and having trouble with my disk, want to use ata instead of scsi module, how can i achieve this? |
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| 04:07 | <Rapsodius> | Hi! I have an old computer, and having trouble with my disk, want to use ata instead of scsi module, how can i achieve this? |
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| 04:08 | <Rapsodius> | any1? |
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| 04:12 | <qwd> | !patience |
| 04:12 | <dpkg> | The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. |
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| 04:14 | <yang_> | Rapsoduis i may not be able to help at all . you mean you want to switch SATA drives out of ACHI mode? |
| 04:14 | <yang_> | Rapsoduis - often times that can be done w/ the BIOS by setting the controller in compatibiltiy mode |
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| 04:17 | <Lantizia> | Hey can someone double check my logic? For our server we don't want two passwords to log in (just one)... yet we disable & lock root as people try to guess roots password... and sudo asks for YOUR password not the targets (root)... so ultimately I'm disabling sudo asking for a password... as if you'd got in as our non-root user then you'd already know the password it's asking for anyway... and we had it asking for another password (roots - but it |
| 04:17 | <Lantizia> | could stay locked) then we'd be back to two passwords again... which we don't want |
| 04:17 | <Lantizia> | Logical - I think :D |
| 04:18 | <yang_> | I think a good root password is important because of single user mode and physical security failure |
| 04:18 | <Lantizia> | s/and we had it asking/and if we had it asking/ |
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| 04:18 | <yang_> | and you can disable root login on all terms but one w/ PAM |
| 04:18 | <Lantizia> | yang, yeah but you can get to that via sudo su |
| 04:18 | <Lantizia> | yang, I just use passwd -d -l |
| 04:18 | <yang_> | which ruins the point of sudo |
| 04:19 | <yang_> | loging etc. if all your sa's sudo su then you have no loging |
| 04:19 | <Lantizia> | ah but our non-root user is only there because root is off... our non-root user is still there for the system admin only |
| 04:19 | <Lantizia> | thus if you know our non-root users password - that is good enough |
| 04:19 | <Lantizia> | but you'd obviously need to guess both our username & password (not just password) to get in |
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| 04:21 | <yang_> | Whats the point of locking root? - to avoid brute force and a known user name? fix. set /etc/securetty and strong root pw known only to Senior SA and implment good sudo policy + loging |
| 04:21 | <yang_> | and you want sudo to prompt for pw always |
| 04:21 | <Lantizia> | we don't want to allow logging in as root as it's a known username... but don't wan thte hassle of updating two passwords (both the non-root admin user and the root user) |
| 04:21 | <Lantizia> | thus why leave a password for root at all? |
| 04:21 | <yang_> | idea is single user mode |
| 04:22 | <yang_> | attacker cant hit machine in single user mode if UID 0 has pw |
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| 04:22 | <yang_> | if you disable login w/ PAM on all but physical console any way it equailvant |
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| 04:22 | <yang_> | also SUDO should always ask for pw! idea is idle consoles arnt grab and sysadmins have to think about commands |
| 04:23 | <yang_> | just like an are you sure? |
| 04:23 | <Lantizia> | yang, the fact they enter "sudo" before everything they _really_ need to do is thought enough |
| 04:23 | <Lantizia> | the point here is to NOT have two passwords... you're not following this |
| 04:24 | <yang_> | there identical |
| 04:24 | <yang_> | its one pw entered twice if you make it the users pw |
| 04:24 | <Lantizia> | if both the root password and admin password is the same... then why have sudo ask for a password at all? |
| 04:24 | <Lantizia> | be it the targets or the users? |
| 04:24 | <yang_> | roots pw shouldn't be the sys admins pw |
| 04:24 | <Lantizia> | but we don't want two password - period |
| 04:24 | <cthuluh> | security by obscurity. what if the used login becomes known? |
| 04:24 | <Lantizia> | those are the conditions of my question |
| 04:24 | <Lantizia> | take it or leave it |
| 04:24 | <yang_> | the idea is that the SA must enter his pw to run a command as root thus not 2 pw 1 pw entered twice |
| 04:25 | <Lantizia> | no i don't see why 1 pw should be entered twice either |
| 04:25 | <Lantizia> | ok lets start over... |
| 04:25 | <yang_> | confirmation , prevents idle terms |
| 04:25 | <Lantizia> | root is locked (pw removed) and disabled (no logging in) |
| 04:25 | <Lantizia> | sudo is installed |
| 04:25 | <Lantizia> | admin has a password and can use sudo without it asking for a password |
| 04:26 | <cthuluh> | yang_: obviously Lantizia doesn't like when you say he's wrong. why continue arguing? |
| 04:26 | <bartm> | yang_, what cthuluh said |
| 04:26 | <yang_> | cthuluh: bartm: too bad huh? his box will get owned and when sys admins walks away from computer |
| 04:27 | <Lantizia> | why will it! that is insane |
| 04:27 | <yang_> | because i come up to your computer after distracted sys admin walks away |
| 04:27 | <Lantizia> | were just substituting the user "root" for another username |
| 04:27 | <cthuluh> | Lantizia: you had no security by locking the root password. |
| 04:27 | <cthuluh> | Lantizia: exactly |
| 04:27 | <cthuluh> | s/had/add |
| 04:28 | <yang_> | forget the root thing. thats an issue but meh |
| 04:28 | <yang_> | worry about sudo w/ NO password |
| 04:28 | <yang_> | i distract your admin |
| 04:28 | <Lantizia> | I am adding security by not keeping a known username |
| 04:28 | <yang_> | grab his computer |
| 04:28 | <cthuluh> | Lantizia: security by obscurity. period. |
| 04:28 | <yang_> | sudo ownedyourcomputer i dont need a password |
| 04:28 | <Lantizia> | yang, you could say the same about leaving yourself logged in as root though! |
| 04:28 | <yang_> | yes you could |
| 04:28 | <Lantizia> | so it's a mute point! |
| 04:28 | <yang_> | no |
| 04:28 | <yang_> | because how many sudo users are there? |
| 04:29 | <Lantizia> | 1 |
| 04:29 | <yang_> | and what did i say to do w/ root? |
| 04:29 | <Lantizia> | to replace root ONLY |
| 04:29 | <Lantizia> | this is what I keep saying... were only having 1 extra user and the use of sudo to replace root |
| 04:29 | <yang_> | ok i understand what your doing |
| 04:29 | <yang_> | but still a problem |
| 04:29 | <yang_> | you ruin the point of sudo |
| 04:29 | <Lantizia> | so if your stupid enough to walk away as logged in as admin then your stupid enough to walk away as root too |
| 04:29 | <cthuluh> | lol |
| 04:30 | <yang_> | the idea of sudo isn't to replace root |
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| 04:30 | <Lantizia> | no but that's what I'm using it for |
| 04:30 | <yang_> | its to allow multiple users root access and LOG who , when why |
| 04:30 | <Lantizia> | root can't be renamed |
| 04:30 | <Lantizia> | well i don't need that |
| 04:30 | <cthuluh> | krkrkr |
| 04:30 | <yang_> | FAIL |
| 04:30 | <yang_> | root can be renamed |
| 04:30 | <yang_> | its not good practice |
| 04:30 | <Lantizia> | yeah and break _maaaany_ things |
| 04:30 | <cthuluh> | oh, please, my ears |
| 04:31 | <Lantizia> | so lets not go there |
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| 04:31 | <yang_> | the idea of sudo -- admin access multiple users audited logged and revokable when your admins leave |
| 04:31 | <Lantizia> | sudo will still log if not using a password anyway |
| 04:31 | <yang_> | but who did it? |
| 04:32 | <yang_> | they all use same account |
| 04:32 | <Lantizia> | indeed |
| 04:32 | <yang_> | ruins logs. |
| 04:32 | <yang_> | how do you revoke privllages? |
| 04:32 | <Lantizia> | the point of this isn't to have multiple logins - it's to replace 1 login with another |
| 04:32 | <yang_> | admin leaves? |
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| 04:32 | <cthuluh> | Lantizia: your admin will never type sudo anyway. he'll do sudo bash, done. no logging except /root/.bash_history |
| 04:32 | <Lantizia> | cthuluh, sudo su more likely |
| 04:32 | <cthuluh> | Lantizia: whatever |
| 04:32 | <yang_> | which ruins sudo |
| 04:33 | <yang_> | what do you get by renaming root? |
| 04:33 | <cthuluh> | nothing |
| 04:33 | <yang_> | your trying to avoid brute forcing root but you can help that w/ PAM anyway |
| 04:33 | <Lantizia> | right well within the confines of my original question (no two passwords, and 1 user to replace another only, no need for logs)... you've spotted no security holes |
| 04:33 | <Lantizia> | BUT! you don't like the general idea anyway |
| 04:33 | <Lantizia> | that is fine |
| 04:34 | * | EmleyMoor is still getting nowhere trying to create a FreeDOS USB stick for maintenance use |
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| 04:34 | <cthuluh> | Lantizia: the big security hole is that you believe that acting so adds security to your system. this reasoning is flawed. thus, there is a security problem |
| 04:34 | <yang_> | its bad practice , your doing things the wrong way .. not using sudo correct, but if you dont care about any of that its not insanely dangerous . just stupid |
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| 04:34 | <Lantizia> | I just don't NEED or WANT multiple users! OK! |
| 04:35 | <Lantizia> | that was _NEVER_ the question |
| 04:35 | <yang_> | how many system admins do you have? |
| 04:35 | <Lantizia> | only a couple will know this password for these boxes |
| 04:36 | <ml|> | Lantizia: READ what people are telling you, but do what you want it is your machine; good luck |
| 04:36 | <Lantizia> | which there are going to be many - MANY boxes on several customers sites... |
| 04:36 | <Lantizia> | ml|, read every word - but it's not the question I asked |
| 04:37 | <cthuluh> | oh, god... those systems are going to be distributed in several places? |
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| 04:37 | <Lantizia> | adding in each and every sys admin that may/may-not need access and remembering where we added them or didn't on all these systems that are customer owned and stamped out like coins... it'd be a hassle to manage |
| 04:37 | <yang_> | while, like cthuluh said security by obscrutiy but your idea althought rapes the who idea of security in general is not explicted doing anything usefull for you or dangerous other than making your believe you know what you are doing.. when you dont |
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| 04:38 | <Lantizia> | yang, no it's just _you_ can't accept the limitations of the circumstances |
| 04:38 | <cthuluh> | I'm already laughing, thinking about the guy that'll have to recover a box in single user mode. with a root account blocked. fun! |
| 04:38 | <Lantizia> | yang, I have my own boxes which I _do_ have multiple users which I choose to/or-not grant sudo access |
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| 04:38 | <Lantizia> | I get the point - really I do |
| 04:38 | <Lantizia> | but in this case it won't be done |
| 04:38 | <bartm> | Lantizia, do you? |
| 04:38 | <yang_> | i mean for gods sake at least require a pw for sudo |
| 04:39 | <Lantizia> | yang, why when it's the same god damned pw? |
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| 04:39 | <yang_> | because admins can walk away |
| 04:39 | <yang_> | specially on site |
| 04:39 | <bartm> | Lantizia, it's basic sudo use |
| 04:39 | <Lantizia> | yang, how does a sudo pw help if they walk away? lol |
| 04:39 | <ml|> | yes, atleast use sudo correctly |
| 04:39 | <yang_> | becuase i dont know it |
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| 04:39 | <yang_> | and i cant walk up to term and rm all your date + backups |
| 04:40 | <Lantizia> | yang, again! if your stupid enough to leave your admin user logged in - then you're as stupid to leave root logged in if it was enabled |
| 04:40 | <yang_> | i agree so dont allow root to login - but have a root pw |
| 04:40 | <yang_> | and force sudo pw |
| 04:40 | <bartm> | Lantizia, no, the difference is correct sudo use, asking for a password |
| 04:40 | <yang_> | then walk away problem is fixed |
| 04:40 | <Lantizia> | yang, and sudos's default behaivour is to only ask once in a while for the pw anyway |
| 04:40 | <yang_> | yeah but sudo -k |
| 04:41 | <Lantizia> | yang, so if someone walks up it shortly after... dun dun dunnn |
| 04:41 | <yang_> | yeah true |
| 04:41 | <yang_> | kill the timeout in the PAM modules |
| 04:41 | <cthuluh> | Lantizia: OK. for twenty minutes you've repeated over and over the same arguments, and you were repeated that you were wrong. are you going to keep on this way? do what you want, live and let live |
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| 04:41 | <Lantizia> | having it ask pw _everytime_ will only make people do 'sudo su' |
| 04:41 | <cthuluh> | Lantizia: please. stop. |
| 04:41 | <Lantizia> | which means it was pointless asking for the pw twice |
| 04:41 | <yang_> | alright your win your right |
| 04:42 | <Lantizia> | lol I'm not trying to win anything here - just demonstrating my track of thought |
| 04:42 | <ml|> | you can make sudo ask for pwd each time before use iirc; Lantizia wins yay ;) |
| 04:42 | <yang_> | and its one hundred percent correct |
| 04:42 | <Lantizia> | you've helped me see the extea possible angles though |
| 04:42 | <Lantizia> | so thanks |
| 04:42 | <yang_> | you should rewrite the securing debian howto |
| 04:42 | <bartm> | everybody except Lantizia is wrong |
| 04:42 | <Lantizia> | no they aren't! |
| 04:42 | <cthuluh> | yang_: the backtrack one, rather |
| 04:42 | <Lantizia> | jesus your taking this personally |
| 04:43 | <yang_> | in all serousness no hard feelings man |
| 04:43 | <Lantizia> | I can't help the limits OK!? there _can not_ be more than 1 user... it's not my choice! |
| 04:43 | <yang_> | its funny |
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| 04:43 | <Lantizia> | yang, thanks :P |
| 04:43 | <Lantizia> | you too |
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| 04:44 | * | bartm hums depeche mode's "wrong" |
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| 04:45 | <ml|> | whoever made that choice should be raked across coals then ;) |
| 04:45 | <Lantizia> | ml|, it's a distro we are making so this is it's default set up when you install |
| 04:46 | <yang_> | Lantzia your making a distro? |
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| 04:46 | <Lantizia> | yang, nearly done in fact |
| 04:46 | <bartm> | Lantizia, what's the name of the distro? |
| 04:46 | <Lantizia> | only for internal use mind you |
| 04:46 | <Lantizia> | bartm, doesn't have one yet |
| 04:46 | <Lantizia> | phone system |
| 04:47 | <yang_> | Lantzia: lfs or debian remaster? |
| 04:47 | <bartm> | phone system... a good name might be "phony"? :) |
| 04:47 | <ml|> | eh |
| 04:47 | <cthuluh> | could only be a remaster |
| 04:47 | <Lantizia> | yang, squeeze based |
| 04:47 | <mikeyb> | What's the point in making a distro, unless it is for an embedded system or something like that? |
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| 04:47 | <Lantizia> | mikeyb, it is |
| 04:47 | <yang_> | Lantzia: well in all seriousness consider reading this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 04:48 | <mikeyb> | Ahh! |
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| 04:48 | <Lantizia> | lol |
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| 04:48 | <yang_> | Lantzia its intresting, even if you dont follow all of the practices. |
| 04:48 | <ml|> | yang_: was about say the same |
| 04:48 | <Lantizia> | yang, have read it before |
| 04:49 | <ml|> | good time too look it over again I think |
| 04:49 | <yang_> | the irony |
| 04:49 | <yang_> | So what does your company do? |
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| 04:49 | <yang_> | What will you be using your new distro's for ? |
| 04:50 | <Lantizia> | it's a phone system |
| 04:50 | <Lantizia> | uses asterisk 1.8.1.1 from our repo's |
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| 04:50 | <yang_> | ah. nice. VOIP gatways ? or POTS ? |
| 04:51 | <Lantizia> | both - but in this new version we are dropping support for internal cards... so POTS via SIP gateways |
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| 04:51 | <Lantizia> | were moving as many of our physical box customers onto virtual systems as possible |
| 04:51 | <Lantizia> | 99.9% use SIP providers anyway |
| 04:51 | <yang_> | Lantzia : who will be hosting? |
| 04:51 | <Lantizia> | us |
| 04:51 | <EmleyMoor> | I would like to see a list of the files in "mbr", but packages.debian.org seems to have a problem |
| 04:52 | <cthuluh> | EmleyMoor: use apt-file |
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| 04:52 | <zzy> | list |
| 04:52 | <cthuluh> | or just install it, it's cheap |
| 04:53 | <yang_> | so what you are creating is more of an appliance? |
| 04:53 | <Lantizia> | yang, yeah gives you asterisk. hylafax, kannel - and the appropriate customer-friendly frontends for them |
| 04:53 | <cthuluh> | ugh... GNU rcs build uses some crap called ./conf.sh... damn slow |
| 04:54 | <Lantizia> | yang, we have our own debian and freepbx repo's... I've debian packaged the freepbx framework for the purpose |
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| 04:54 | <Lantizia> | not the modules - just the framework ... since freepbx has it's own way of updating |
| 04:55 | <yang_> | Lantzia - never used them not a telephony guy ! Customers use IP phones that hit the virtualized appliances servers that you host? |
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| 04:56 | <Lantizia> | yang, hopefully that'll be true in most of the cases - some customers will want to hang on to their physical boxes (some are tiny via c3 cpu based boxes with tiny SSD's) |
| 04:56 | <Lantizia> | but more fool them... no HA :P |
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| 04:58 | <yang_> | lantzia: whats the virtilzation solution? |
| 04:58 | <Lantizia> | yang, unfortunately it's vmware esxi... not my choice |
| 04:58 | <Lantizia> | i use kvm myself |
| 04:58 | <mikeyb> | nothing wrong with vmware!? |
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| 04:58 | <Lantizia> | mikeyb, not free |
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| 04:59 | <yang_> | so the physical konsole is always secure then provided your ESXI server is secure |
| 04:59 | <Lantizia> | yang, indeed |
| 04:59 | <mikeyb> | But sometimes that's nota bad thing as you have paid support. |
| 04:59 | <Lantizia> | mikeyb, exactly why they've gone for vmware :P |
| 04:59 | <yang_> | how do you plan to hit the virtual boxes ? SSH or from the Physical ESXI client soft? |
| 04:59 | <Lantizia> | i'm hoping proxmox 2 will give them pause for thought :P |
| 05:00 | <Lantizia> | yang, SSH |
| 05:00 | <yang_> | while that be the only viable way of getting a shell provided the other phone services are secure? |
| 05:00 | <yang_> | will* |
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| 05:00 | <Lantizia> | yang, indeed |
| 05:01 | <Lantizia> | well you can always go on the console if desperate |
| 05:01 | <mikeyb> | I just started a new job working for a company that uses opensource for everyting, after coming from a company that uses microsoft and .net for everything. |
| 05:01 | <Lantizia> | mikeyb, we are currently half and half ourselves |
| 05:01 | <ml|> | !congratulate mikeyb |
| 05:01 | <dpkg> | Good show mikeyb, you did it! |
| 05:02 | <yang_> | how will you do ssh? pw based or RSA ? |
| 05:03 | <Lantizia> | yang, pw... and yeah I'm aware we can do it with keys but remember this is an appliance |
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| 05:03 | <mikeyb> | I have 4 years experence programming c# professionaly. But I do notice that most people that are network admins of windows networks, and even most .net developersdon't know much at all! |
| 05:04 | <yang_> | a possible advantages w/ keys is you can have diffrent SA admins manage diffrent sets of customers and have them have only keys to needed boxes. |
| 05:04 | <Lantizia> | already aware :) |
| 05:04 | <Lantizia> | me thinks your poking holes |
| 05:04 | <yang_> | i dont understand the phrase poking holes |
| 05:04 | <yang_> | in what? |
| 05:04 | <Lantizia> | ok doesn't matter |
| 05:05 | <Lantizia> | ok rephrase... searching for problems |
| 05:05 | <mikeyb> | Lantizia, can't you just make the password retry time quite long and it will be retty secure? |
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| 05:05 | <yang_> | meh. more of a boncing ideas off you for me own gain |
| 05:05 | <yang_> | allows me to think about how i would set it up |
| 05:05 | <Lantizia> | yang, ok, that's ok then :) |
| 05:06 | <Lantizia> | just this channel seemed to me pretty hostile a moment ago |
| 05:06 | <Lantizia> | and for things that are seriously out of my control |
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| 05:06 | <yang_> | i think was rage for your own benefit kindof thing |
| 05:06 | <Lantizia> | meh |
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| 05:07 | <mikeyb> | Guess it is because you are ripping off debian to make you own distro :P |
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| 05:07 | * | EmleyMoor is trying yet another method to get FreeDOS onto a stick |
| 05:07 | <Lantizia> | mikeyb, I'm not ripping it off at all - how on earth have you called that one? |
| 05:07 | <Lantizia> | mikeyb, it's no different than installing debian and running a script... it's just bundled on it's own ISO |
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| 05:08 | <mikeyb> | Wow just joking! |
| 05:08 | <Lantizia> | it is _still_ debian, and it will still be advertised as debian, and it still uses debian repo's |
| 05:08 | <Lantizia> | well it doesn't translate |
| 05:08 | <yang_> | meh what is ubuntu? |
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| 05:08 | <yang_> | i dont think that was the issue |
| 05:08 | <Lantizia> | yang, ubuntu is ubuntu - it's a proper fork |
| 05:08 | <mikeyb> | Actually it sounds like quite a job you have commited to. |
| 05:09 | <Lantizia> | stuff like dreamlinux and linux mint (debian edition) I consider to be debian though |
| 05:09 | <yang_> | kindof? the resync w/ debian and mod every 6 monthes. |
| 05:09 | <Lantizia> | yang, but it is entirely forked and copied/managed elsewhere |
| 05:09 | <cthuluh> | EmleyMoor: if you ever want to try freedos, you know what you have to do ;) |
| 05:09 | <yang_> | yeah thats true. just the resync w/ debian thing. |
| 05:09 | <Lantizia> | where as sidux/mint(debian)/dreamlinux use debian's repo's |
| 05:10 | <Lantizia> | no resyncing needed, not true forks |
| 05:11 | <yang_> | yeah just in my mind if it was a "proper fork" ( whatever that means) then they would have stop syncing with debian and repackaged / developed indepdantly from there on out |
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| 05:12 | <Lantizia> | shaggy_, i like how they're not a "proper fork" then... it means people take one look and realise where they need to go to get the original and best :) |
| 05:12 | <shaggy_> | Lantzia i went from knoppix -> Kubuntu -> Debian |
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| 05:12 | <shaggy_> | Ah i hate fedora |
| 05:12 | <shaggy_> | rpm sucks |
| 05:13 | <shaggy_> | chkconfig sucks |
| 05:13 | <Lantizia> | S.u.S.E -> Red Hat -> Fedora -> Debian -> Ubuntu |
| 05:13 | <shaggy_> | the redhat / fedora way i have always disliked.. maybe because i started debian based. |
| 05:13 | <Lantizia> | when I say Debian though - that was sarge lol - not very desktop friendly lol |
| 05:13 | <Lantizia> | for servers though I use nothing but debian |
| 05:13 | <zem> | mandeake->redhat->fedora->debian->ubuntu->debian XD (with ocasonal suse/knopix/others i don't remember) |
| 05:14 | <cthuluh> | sarge was nice |
| 05:14 | <mikeyb> | I did a hop from Red hat -> suse -> slackware -> Debian |
| 05:14 | <s_i_m> | in my case it was Slackware -> Debian |
| 05:14 | <Lantizia> | shaggy_, yeah I avoid RH based stuff myself now... the 2 phone system distro's i'm replacing with this are RH based |
| 05:14 | <shaggy_> | cthuluh who are you to the debian project btw ? you always seem extremly knowledgable. |
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| 05:16 | <mikeyb> | How about generating a unique admin user for each box!? |
| 05:17 | <cthuluh> | shaggy_: huh? nothing but a random user. and I could question your last sentence |
| 05:17 | <cthuluh> | shaggy_: though perhaps, one day... |
| 05:17 | <Lantizia> | mikeyb, rather like that idea - but we'd need to note it down each time we did an install |
| 05:17 | <mikeyb> | Not really, you just need to hash the name of the machine. |
| 05:18 | <shaggy_> | cthuluh: i didn't mean to imply anything lol im just a random user also. i just kindof guessed you were a developer because you always are around and know a hell of a lot more than i do |
| 05:18 | <Lantizia> | mikeyb, and if the hostname changes? :D |
| 05:19 | <mikeyb> | Then it will be fun times! But I'mguessing you can always mount the disk image if someone screws up. |
| 05:19 | <Lantizia> | not as easy if a physical box - gotta drive out there |
| 05:20 | <Lantizia> | i'm ok with it being the same username |
| 05:20 | <Lantizia> | it's got a good strong password anyway |
| 05:20 | <shaggy_> | at least anagram the user name |
| 05:20 | <Lantizia> | shaggy_, it's not dictionary |
| 05:20 | <mikeyb> | Well you could use a hash of the nic mac address |
| 05:20 | <Lantizia> | mikeyb, which nic? :D |
| 05:21 | <shaggy_> | IE. companyname "Joes Crab Shack" -> "jcsadmn" |
| 05:21 | <shaggy_> | its bad security |
| 05:21 | <mikeyb> | Damn it |
| 05:21 | <shaggy_> | its guessable |
| 05:21 | <Lantizia> | oooh crabs :P |
| 05:21 | <Lantizia> | shaggy_, yeah it's guessable but the password isn't |
| 05:21 | <shaggy_> | do all machines have same pw? |
| 05:21 | <cthuluh> | Lantizia: what? the username will be the same on *each* box running your system? and you think that's better than "root"? |
| 05:22 | <cthuluh> | that's completely ridiculous |
| 05:22 | <Lantizia> | cthuluh, no i don't think that's better - but it's the task at hand - again not decided by me |
| 05:22 | <shaggy_> | if all machines have same pw ill take one of your hosted appliances crack pw and own all your customers lol |
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| 05:22 | <mikeyb> | I have a phone server in the garage, but it has a seperate network port you have to use to use to get a console. |
| 05:22 | <Lantizia> | shaggy_, no diff passwords |
| 05:23 | <shaggy_> | THANK GOD |
| 05:23 | <Lantizia> | lol |
| 05:23 | <cthuluh> | Lantizia: get rid of that job, dude... |
| 05:23 | <Lantizia> | cthuluh, pays well - can't lol |
| 05:23 | <shaggy_> | job requires same user name per box? |
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| 05:24 | <Lantizia> | been told to have root disabled (so yeah they believe in security through obscurity) |
| 05:24 | <Lantizia> | i guess they could have diff usernames per box |
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| 05:24 | <shaggy_> | print out securing debian howto and ask them to read and decide again. Security failure in the IT world cant mean an end to your company |
| 05:24 | <shaggy_> | can* |
| 05:25 | <cthuluh> | Lantizia: again, did you think about the need of booting into single user mode? how can you do that with root pw disabled? |
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| 05:25 | <Lantizia> | cthuluh, don't need a root pw to get in on single user mode |
| 05:25 | <shaggy_> | cthuluh: maybe im wrong here but i swear it just drops you @ root prompt |
| 05:25 | <shaggy_> | yeah it does |
| 05:25 | <cthuluh> | huh? |
| 05:25 | <Lantizia> | you can get in to any box without the root pass |
| 05:26 | <shaggy_> | if you boot single user mode you get root prompt if root account is disabled |
| 05:26 | <mikeyb> | you have to type the password? |
| 05:26 | <cthuluh> | if you access grub and boot with init=/bin/bash, then yeah |
| 05:26 | <shaggy_> | only if account exists and has pw |
| 05:26 | <mikeyb> | Oh right |
| 05:26 | <Lantizia> | cthuluh, exactly |
| 05:26 | <Lantizia> | but we pw grub though |
| 05:26 | <shaggy_> | cthuluh yeah thats true but also single user mode @ least in ubuntu with root locked produces root prompt no pw prompt |
| 05:26 | <bartm> | a different pw? ;) |
| 05:26 | <cthuluh> | shaggy_: ubuntu ;) |
| 05:26 | <Lantizia> | bartm, no! :D lol |
| 05:27 | <Lantizia> | they want _one_ master password |
| 05:27 | <Lantizia> | for better or worse |
| 05:27 | <shaggy_> | cthuluh: never tried debian lol i also have root pw |
| 05:27 | <Lantizia> | that is what they want |
| 05:27 | <shaggy_> | tell them the problem w/ master pw! that whole backdoor thing |
| 05:27 | <shaggy_> | what if employee gets fired lol . you gunna change master password on everysingle box? |
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| 05:28 | <Lantizia> | shaggy_, indeed - that's what they used to do at my last job ... you should have seen the day I left :P |
| 05:28 | <Lantizia> | i had access to everything at that ISP |
| 05:29 | <shaggy_> | so master password applies to your sudo user? or just grub? |
| 05:29 | <Lantizia> | both |
| 05:29 | <shaggy_> | and sudo users all have same user name? |
| 05:29 | <shaggy_> | and pw? |
| 05:30 | <Lantizia> | if you end up having custom usernames and custom passwords per EVERY BOX... then you end up with engineers making spreadsheets of them |
| 05:30 | <Lantizia> | which is what my current employer has been known to do before |
| 05:30 | <Lantizia> | and then looses them |
| 05:30 | <shaggy_> | that you gpg encrypt? |
| 05:30 | <Lantizia> | on trains, buses, etc |
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| 05:30 | <bartm> | shaggy_, with one master passphrase :) |
| 05:30 | <Lantizia> | me? no - THEY make excel spreadsheets with standard password on them :) |
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| 05:31 | <shaggy_> | lol will can i 'try' your appliance distro and get a list of your customers ? |
| 05:31 | <shaggy_> | security testing reasons of course ..lol |
| 05:31 | <Lantizia> | how would you get a list of our customers from installing a copy of the distro through? |
| 05:32 | <shaggy_> | i asked for that in addition to lol |
| 05:32 | <Lantizia> | oooh - umm no :P |
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| 05:32 | <shaggy_> | they way you describe it your boss my loose that spread sheet on a train any way |
| 05:32 | <Lantizia> | oh they have before now |
| 05:32 | <shaggy_> | where is any of the security. if you company can't maintain any kind of confidential info i cant imagine how its been around @ all. |
| 05:33 | <Lantizia> | last 9 years I'm told |
| 05:33 | <shaggy_> | financial info, cust info. etc. specially being an IT company and a service provider |
| 05:33 | <Lantizia> | i've only been there since may |
| 05:33 | <shaggy_> | ouch. i work @ a Retial Store doing tech work and they have better security |
| 05:34 | <Lantizia> | if you have 1 user/pass for servers... no spreddy needed - easy to remember - but bad to change when someone leaves or it gets "found out" |
| 05:34 | <Lantizia> | if you have diff user/pass then you end up with spreddys and engineers fobbing off with excuses of "I couldn't get in" |
| 05:34 | <shaggy_> | you have got to store configueration information any way store in some way |
| 05:35 | <@Ganneff> | i do think you got a bit offtopic already, so: |
| 05:35 | <@Ganneff> | !ot |
| 05:35 | <dpkg> | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 05:35 | <Lantizia> | shaggy_, shall we? :D |
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| 05:35 | <Lantizia> | Ganneff, done :P |
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| 05:44 | <EmleyMoor> | My laptop is not playing DVD video - though my desktop does - both running squeeze... laptop says: "An error occurred - Could not read from resource" in "Movie Player". In xine, the initial copyright message and logo work, then "Error: The source can't be read. Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g. not disc in drive). (Error reading NAV packet.)" |
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| 05:45 | <bartm> | EmleyMoor, maybe a hardware problem |
| 05:45 | <EmleyMoor> | bartm: Hmmm... how to prove? |
| 05:45 | <cthuluh> | I'd try with vlc, though |
| 05:46 | * | EmleyMoor is just checking something... |
| 05:46 | <cthuluh> | perhaps with vlc from debian-multimedia, if the one from main doesn't work well |
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| 05:47 | <EmleyMoor> | Ah, laptop was missing libdvdcss2 |
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| 05:56 | <grummund> | Hi, anyone know if pdftk will append a ps file to a pdf file?, or do i need to use ps2pdf first and then cat the two pdf files with pdftk? |
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| 06:00 | <s_i_m> | grummund, you can do this with gs |
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| 06:02 | <s_i_m> | gs -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -q -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sOutputFile=result.pdf f1.ps f2.pdf |
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| 06:04 | <grummund> | s_i_m: thank you |
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| 06:05 | <s_i_m> | pdftk is an overkill in most cases, imo |
| 06:06 | <grummund> | seems a convenient way to cat two pdf files (which is all i have used it for) |
| 06:06 | <grummund> | sledge hammer / nut. perhaps... |
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| 06:08 | <themill> | doing that with gs used to degrade the quality of the original pdf; don't know if it still does. |
| 06:08 | <s_i_m> | well, it depends |
| 06:10 | <themill> | it would rasterise everything making nice blurry text etc |
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| 06:13 | <s_i_m> | just checked joining two pdf (articles from NJP). no degradation; the size is about the sum of the two originals. |
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| 06:16 | <sammy> | ola |
| 06:16 | <sammy> | quien ahi ahi?? |
| 06:17 | <s_i_m> | !es |
| 06:17 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 06:37 | <Lantizia> | Any particular advantage in a swap partition rather than file... and if not then why do distro installers still make you a partition by default instead of a file? |
| 06:37 | <Lantizia> | (obviously a file is easier to resize even if your using lvm) |
| 06:38 | <petemc> | it used to be that using a file was much slower, i dont think thats as true now |
| 06:38 | <s_i_m> | swap partition is faster if that matters to you |
| 06:38 | <Lantizia> | only benefit then? (however minor) |
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| 06:39 | <s_i_m> | is hibernate possible with a swap in a file? (never tried) |
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| 06:50 | <s_i_m> | after a short read-up: possible, but either with uswsusp (which is a pile of crap, imo), or with kernel's swsusp but then an offset to the swap header must be given as a kernel boot parameter. |
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| 06:54 | <lord_rob> | Hi ! Isn't it possible to change grub splash screen with update-alternatives ? I thought so ... |
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| 06:55 | <petemc> | lord_rob: look in /etc/alternatives |
| 06:55 | <iCEmAN_CZ> | hi |
| 06:56 | <s_i_m> | why it should be done with alternatives? I do not have any splash screens, but I guess it is done with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 06:57 | <babilen> | lord_rob: do you mean grub2's background image? |
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| 06:59 | <lord_rob> | babilen: YES |
| 06:59 | <lord_rob> | babilen: sorry for caps |
| 07:00 | <babilen> | lord_rob: No problem (I interpreted that as excitement) -- You could install desktop-base and edit "/usr/share/desktop-base/grub_background.sh" |
| 07:00 | <babilen> | Not quite sure if that is "The Way™" |
| 07:02 | <s_i_m> | that is for sure not the best way. the files on /usr should not be changed by the admin. |
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| 07:03 | <lord_rob> | actually apt-file told me about grub2-splashimages |
| 07:03 | <babilen> | s_i_m: Yes, my thought exactly. But /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme sources that file -- /usr/share/doc/desktop-base/README.Debian indicates that running "update-alternatives --config desktop-grub" allows you to " select standard or widescreen version(s)" |
| 07:03 | <lord_rob> | which I'm installing right now |
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| 07:04 | <babilen> | Just a collection of splash images (and probably a way to set them) |
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| 07:05 | <s_i_m> | babilen, I see. Still looks a bit strange to me that the alternatives are used for that, but why not, if that is just replacing a file... |
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| 07:05 | * | s_i_m wonders why people want to install these splash screens... |
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| 07:06 | <babilen> | s_i_m: I would have expected this setting in /etc/default/grub -- but /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-grub.png (e.g.) is specified in /usr/share/desktop-base/grub_background.sh -- It might be worth a try to search for that file in other configuration files ... *shrug* |
| 07:06 | <s_i_m> | well, I guess, splash screens are installed by default on any recent system... |
| 07:07 | <babilen> | s_i_m: The 1-second beauty when you boot 100 times a day should not be missed! |
| 07:07 | <lord_rob> | s_i_m: If I could I'd prefer start grub text |
| 07:07 | <babilen> | lord_rob: Well, check some of the update-alternative invocations given in /usr/share/doc/desktop-base/README.Debian |
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| 07:09 | <babilen> | lord_rob: You most definitely want to play with desktop-base -- comment in /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme is "# this allows desktop-base to override our settings" before /usr/share/desktop-base/grub_background.sh is sourced. I can't tell you how that file is *meant* to be edited though |
| 07:09 | * | s_i_m still uses grub-legacy and is not going to throw it away |
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| 07:10 | <babilen> | hehe |
| 07:10 | <Lantizia> | is there some kind of tool for deleting older kernels you don't need? |
| 07:10 | <cahoot> | aptitude purge |
| 07:10 | <babilen> | Lantizia: ^^^^ |
| 07:10 | <Lantizia> | but they have the same package name don't they? |
| 07:11 | <cahoot> | how could they? |
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| 07:11 | <s_i_m> | no, there is the version in the name |
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| 07:11 | <Lantizia> | ah so I upgrade a metapackage then? |
| 07:11 | <Lantizia> | and they conflict |
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| 07:11 | <lord_rob> | I see I'm gonna look for that thanks babilen |
| 07:11 | <Lantizia> | no they don't conflict thus the old one stays there - i see |
| 07:12 | <Tiff> | O_o |
| 07:12 | <Tiff> | the old one always stays |
| 07:12 | <babilen> | lord_rob: Good luck -- Let me know how far you get with update-alternatives and dpkg-reconfigure desktop-base (grub2 is still a bit of a mystery for me, and I end up reading the scripts in /etc/grub.d/ to understand what is going on) |
| 07:12 | <lord_rob> | hehe |
| 07:14 | <s_i_m> | btw, does squeeze install on ext4 by default? |
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| 07:15 | <babilen> | lord_rob: But to make it clear: editing /usr/share/desktop-base/grub_background.sh and specifying a different background and running "update-grub" should give you a different background. I am just not sure if that is the canonical way and would therefore try reconfiguring/update-alternativeing desktop-base (see /usr/share/doc/desktop-base/README.Debian) |
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| 07:18 | <Lantizia> | does anyone know where I can find out how the d-i determines the recommended size for swap and also /boot ? |
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| 07:26 | <lord_rob> | babilen: googling gave me that |
| 07:26 | <lord_rob> | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/grub-background-image-help-809883/ |
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| 07:27 | <lord_rob> | update-grub once and that's all |
| 07:28 | <lord_rob> | or I don't even know if I need to do that twice because I suppose it's done by default |
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| 07:30 | <babilen> | lord_rob: I think that editing /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme is even worse than editing /usr/share/desktop-base/grub_background.sh -- The latter is already sourced in there and apart form the fact that grub_background.sh is in /usr and not in /etc it seems to be a more sensible choice for changing the background |
| 07:31 | <babilen> | lord_rob: Have you tried the update-alternatives invocations outlined in /usr/share/doc/desktop-base/README.Debian ? |
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| 07:32 | <babilen> | lord_rob: I am not saying that it won't work -- but look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=604699 for a change to 05_debian_theme proposed by KiBi |
| 07:36 | <lord_rob> | yes actually that was exactly what I was looking for |
| 07:36 | <lord_rob> | So I was wasting my time and yours ... |
| 07:36 | <lord_rob> | sorry |
| 07:36 | <lord_rob> | thanks |
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| 07:37 | <babilen> | lord_rob: The README of grub2-splashimages suggests changing the WALLPAPER variable in 05_debian_theme to a different value. That variable is not set in 05_debian_theme but in grub_background.sh (which is sourced in 05_debian_theme) |
| 07:38 | <babilen> | lord_rob: Don't worry -- I think that there must be a better way. Have you tried the methods outlined in /usr/share/doc/desktop-base/README.Debian ? I haven't tried them yet, but they might just be what you are after. |
| 07:38 | <lord_rob> | not yet ;) |
| 07:39 | <lord_rob> | and I can't try any method without rebooting my system |
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| 07:40 | <lord_rob> | and now it's lunch time :) so I'll try later |
| 07:40 | <dreamsknight> | hey |
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| 07:41 | <babilen> | lord_rob: It seems to adjust the symlink for /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-grub.png (link to /etc/alternatives/desktop-grub) to your choice. I would expect other background images installed from, for example, grub2-splashimages to register with the alternatives system and be available when you run update-alternatives --config desktop-grub -- That still doesn't answer the question how to set a background *you* provide that is not ... |
| 07:41 | <babilen> | ... available in some debian package |
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| 07:42 | <faheem> | hi. were is the appropiate place to talk to people about getting a package fix uploaded for squeeze? mentors? |
| 07:42 | <faheem> | where is the appropriate, sorry |
| 07:42 | <s_i_m> | debian-release |
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| 07:43 | <faheem> | s_i_m: irc? #debian-release? |
| 07:43 | <s_i_m> | mailing list |
| 07:43 | <faheem> | s_i_m: no irc? |
| 07:43 | <s_i_m> | should exist too |
| 07:43 | <faheem> | join #debian-release |
| 07:43 | <babilen> | lord_rob: I hope the situation is a bit clearer to you. If you want to provide *your own image* I would copy it to /boot/grub (as proposed by KiBi) and set it in /usr/share/desktop-base/grub_background.sh. If you want to set a background installed from grub2-splashimages I would use the alternive system. The former method seems a bit awkward but seem to be the best way to handle this (in my opinion) -- There are million of other ways though ;) |
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| 07:44 | <TIBS01> | hey ya |
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| 07:44 | <TIBS01> | anyone know how to enable access to apache |
| 07:44 | <TIBS01> | www.gibbs-hosting.co.uk:81 is blocked from access by apache and i dont know why |
| 07:44 | <faheem> | s_i_m: apparently yes. will ask there. thanks. |
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| 07:45 | <TIBS01> | http://www.gibbs-hosting.co.uk:81/phpsysinfo |
| 07:45 | <TIBS01> | cant access it |
| 07:45 | <TIBS01> | shell1:/var/www# ls |
| 07:45 | <TIBS01> | index.html phpsysinfo webalizer |
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| 07:48 | <TIBS01> | anyone know how to get it working |
| 07:48 | <TIBS01> | anyone |
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| 08:07 | <gruetzkopf> | TIBS01, sorry, worked OOTB for me |
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| 08:15 | <TIBS01> | wots that mate |
| 08:15 | <ananth123_> | TIBS01: have you changed the default port to 81 instead of 80 ? |
| 08:15 | <ananth123_> | ootb = out of the box |
| 08:16 | <cahoot> | debian comes in a box now? |
| 08:16 | <ananth123_> | i think he just meant by default... |
| 08:16 | <ananth123_> | without modifying anything |
| 08:17 | <zem> | cahoot: nope, but you can put it in a box, and then take it out, and it might just work ootb |
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| 08:18 | <TIBS01> | yeah |
| 08:18 | <TIBS01> | i changed it to 81 |
| 08:18 | <cahoot> | and restarted apache? |
| 08:18 | <TIBS01> | yeah |
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| 08:18 | <TIBS01> | hence http://www.gibbs-hosting.co.uk:81 |
| 08:18 | <cahoot> | lsof -i says it listen on 81? |
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| 08:19 | <TIBS01> | apache2 3206 root 4u IPv6 7116 TCP *:81 (LISTEN) |
| 08:19 | <TIBS01> | apache2 3225 www-data 4u IPv6 7116 TCP *:81 (LISTEN) |
| 08:19 | <TIBS01> | apache2 3226 www-data 4u IPv6 7116 TCP *:81 (LISTEN) |
| 08:19 | <ananth123_> | can you access index.html? |
| 08:19 | <cahoot> | checked apaches logs? |
| 08:19 | <TIBS01> | no |
| 08:19 | <ananth123_> | what does error.log show ? |
| 08:20 | <ananth123_> | in /var/log/apache2/ |
| 08:20 | <TIBS01> | [Sun Jan 23 12:11:09 2011] [notice] Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) PHP/5.2.6-1+lenny9 wi$ |
| 08:20 | <TIBS01> | [Sun Jan 23 12:11:20 2011] [error] [client 92.7.195.249] File does not exist: /$ |
| 08:20 | <TIBS01> | [Sun Jan 23 12:11:20 2011] [error] [client 92.7.195.249] File does not exist: /$ |
| 08:20 | <TIBS01> | [Sun Jan 23 12:11:20 2011] [error] [client 92.7.195.249] File does not exist: /$ |
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| 08:20 | <TIBS01> | back soon |
| 08:21 | <TIBS01> | ill come back and get help |
| 08:21 | <ananth123_> | TIBS01: what is the documentroot specified in your config files ? |
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| 08:51 | <Lantizia> | does anyone know where I can find out how the d-i determines the recommended size for swap and also /boot ? |
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| 08:53 | <s_i_m> | you should be able to manually partition your drive if you are not satisfied with the defaults. |
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| 08:54 | <Lantizia> | s_i_m, i know that but I still want to see how it determines the defaults |
| 08:55 | <ompaul> | Lantizia: what determines what's defaults? |
| 08:55 | <Lantizia> | <Lantizia> does anyone know where I can find out how the d-i determines the recommended size for swap and also /boot ? |
| 08:55 | <Lantizia> | ompaul ^ |
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| 08:56 | <ompaul> | Lantizia: interesting q /me goes to research |
| 08:56 | <cthuluh> | just download the source for the debian installer |
| 08:56 | <ompaul> | cthuluh: speak ye of the obvious ;-) |
| 08:56 | * | ompaul was going to |
| 08:56 | <Lantizia> | cthuluh, does the d-i run based on some kind of script file though? |
| 08:56 | <Lantizia> | i can't believe these things are hard coded |
| 08:57 | <ompaul> | Lantizia: most likely an algorithim that is hard coded |
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| 08:58 | <Lantizia> | would be nice to speak to someone who knows for sure how/where this stuff is determined |
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| 09:00 | <ml|_> | maybe the d-i factiod might help |
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| 09:02 | <s_i_m> | Lantizia, for what precisely do you need this info? (just asking to clarify things) |
| 09:02 | <Lantizia> | s_i_m, just something I've always wanted to know |
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| 09:03 | <s_i_m> | well, I always do partitioning manually |
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| 09:04 | <cthuluh> | also, #debian-boot |
| 09:05 | <Tiff> | i think it's 300% of your RAM size. |
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| 09:07 | <themill> | Lantizia: use the source, luke: http://git.debian.org/?p=d-i/partman-auto.git;a=blob;f=recipes/atomic |
| 09:09 | <Lantizia> | ? |
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| 09:10 | <Lantizia> | themill, i don't think that particularly tells me anything |
| 09:11 | <Lantizia> | I mean for a start it presumes ext2 |
| 09:11 | <themill> | d-i puts /boot on ext2, yes. |
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| 09:13 | <Lantizia> | themill, ok I'm guessing what I'm reading is the guided lvm option with all files in root partition (except boot)? |
| 09:14 | <Lantizia> | i mean there is no context to this file at all, it's just called atomic |
| 09:14 | <Lantizia> | swap is 200%, 200% of what? |
| 09:14 | <themill> | Lantizia: there's an entire git full of context. I'm not the one who is interested in this.... but I'm sure you'll work this out soon enough with a little thought. |
| 09:15 | <themill> | about 3 seconds' thought is going to tell you that's 200% RAM |
| 09:15 | <ompaul> | Lantizia: go digging and you will find that my thoughts were right ;-) hard coded algorithim in a file autopartition and 200% of ram |
| 09:15 | <ompaul> | Lantizia: and at that it is game over - not interested any more ;-) |
| 09:15 | <Lantizia> | this really ought to be documented someplace |
| 09:16 | <ompaul> | Lantizia: it is in the file you stick it in the wiki you want it that much and you have the skills and now the information and be aware that you should morally keep it up to date if there are things going on you are interested in such as this |
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| 09:45 | <saulo> | Hello! I have problems with java and internet. But I can't find the file /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf to disable ipv6, then I don't know the possible problem |
| 09:46 | <saulo> | ssomebody could help me with this? |
| 09:46 | <abrotman> | did you create it? |
| 09:46 | <saulo> | no, the last time I've done the file was already there. Can I create with only that fix line? |
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| 09:47 | <Black_Prince> | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6#Insqueeze |
| 09:47 | <Black_Prince> | Same should be for Lenny |
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| 09:48 | <abrotman> | i don't think it is the same |
| 09:48 | <abrotman> | saulo: yes, just create the file |
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| 09:50 | <Black_Prince> | http://www.karkomaonline.com/index.php/2009/04/how-to-disable-ipv6-in-debian/ |
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| 09:51 | <abrotman> | !noipv6 |
| 09:51 | <dpkg> | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
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| 09:52 | <Black_Prince> | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Disable+ipv6+in+Debian+Lenny |
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| 09:56 | <saulo> | In what place can I add this to |
| 09:56 | <saulo> | grub conf |
| 09:56 | <saulo> | I'm using testing |
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| 09:59 | <abrotman> | grub2? |
| 10:00 | <abrotman> | /etc/default/grub or grub2 .. wahtever the file is called |
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| 10:03 | <saulo> | Thanks you all! I'm rebooting the system to test! |
| 10:03 | <saulo> | I back soon |
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| 10:11 | <saulo> | hello al, I'm back |
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| 10:11 | <saulo> | Added all fixes, but my netbeans it's unable to update yet |
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| 10:16 | <ompaul> | saulo: have you seen this? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=543907 I don't know how applicable it is to you |
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| 10:22 | <saulo> | ompaul: I've installed the last netbeans version from website. :( |
| 10:27 | <saulo> | restarting the system to another test |
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| 10:37 | <sagio> | ola |
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| 11:15 | <TIBS-AWAY> | can someone help me with that apache |
| 11:15 | <TIBS-AWAY> | plz |
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| 11:16 | <dominick> | TIBS01, what's the problem> |
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| 11:16 | <TIBS01> | i cant access anything on the website |
| 11:16 | <TIBS01> | http://www.gibbs-hosting.co.uk:81/phpsysinfo |
| 11:16 | <TIBS01> | its there |
| 11:16 | <TIBS01> | but i cant get access |
| 11:16 | <TIBS01> | same as |
| 11:16 | <TIBS01> | http://www.gibbs-hosting.co.uk:81 wont access index.html |
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| 11:18 | <Black_Prince> | Where did you put your index.html ? |
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| 11:19 | <TIBS01> | its in /var/www |
| 11:19 | <Black_Prince> | Did you configure anything else? |
| 11:21 | <TIBS01> | just changed the port |
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| 11:22 | <abrotman> | check the logs to see which file it's attempting to load |
| 11:22 | <dominick> | TIBS01, then where is the index.html for your server running on port 80? |
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| 11:23 | <dominick> | TIBS01, your port 80 is working. If you just changed your port, you might have to restart apache. |
| 11:23 | <TIBS01> | ok |
| 11:23 | <TIBS01> | ang on |
| 11:23 | <TIBS01> | NameVirtualHost *:80 |
| 11:23 | <TIBS01> | Listen *:81 |
| 11:24 | <TIBS01> | do i put them on both 81 ? |
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| 11:24 | <dominick> | TIBS01, you can try. |
| 11:26 | <TIBS01> | nup |
| 11:26 | <TIBS01> | still aint working |
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| 11:28 | <dominick> | TIBS01, only listen should do the trick. Did you restart apache? |
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| 11:28 | <dominick> | TIBS01, "/etc/init.d/httpd restart" |
| 11:29 | <TIBS01> | shell1:~# /etc/init.d/httpd restart |
| 11:29 | <TIBS01> | bash: /etc/init.d/httpd: No such file or directory |
| 11:29 | <TIBS01> | shell1:~# ./etc/init.d/httpd restart |
| 11:29 | <Black_Prince> | invoke-rc.d apache2 restart |
| 11:29 | <TIBS01> | Restarting web server: apache2[Sun Jan 23 16:29:23 2011] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:81 has no VirtualHosts |
| 11:29 | <TIBS01> | ... waiting [Sun Jan 23 16:29:24 2011] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:81 has no VirtualHosts |
| 11:30 | <Black_Prince> | /etc/apache2/sites-available/default ... what's the first line ... something like <VirtualHost .... |
| 11:31 | <TIBS01> | its only on ports.conf |
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| 11:31 | <Black_Prince> | pastebin your /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
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| 11:32 | <TIBS01> | !pastebin |
| 11:32 | <dpkg> | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 11:33 | <abrotman> | did he check the log yet? |
| 11:33 | <TIBS01> | http://paste.debian.net/105449 |
| 11:33 | <Black_Prince> | <VirtualHost *:80> change to <VirtualHost *:81> |
| 11:33 | <Black_Prince> | then restart again |
| 11:33 | <dominick> | Black_Prince, he did. |
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| 11:34 | <abrotman> | did he ever say the server wasn't responding on port 80 ? |
| 11:34 | <Black_Prince> | NameVirtualHost and <VirtualHost> are not the same |
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| 11:35 | <Black_Prince> | He wants to access files in /var/www on port 81, that should do it ... |
| 11:35 | <TIBS01> | wooohooo |
| 11:35 | <TIBS01> | it works now |
| 11:35 | <TIBS01> | thankies |
| 11:35 | <dominick> | k. |
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| 12:17 | <satish> | hi dominick!!! |
| 12:18 | <satish> | hello u there...? |
| 12:18 | <satish> | dominick: |
| 12:18 | <satish> | ?? |
| 12:18 | <satish> | buzzzz!!!! |
| 12:18 | <satish> | buzzzz!!!! |
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| 12:20 | <dominick> | hey |
| 12:20 | <dominick> | satish, hi |
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| 12:24 | <bsat> | hi dominick |
| 12:24 | <dominick> | hi bsat! |
| 12:24 | <dominick> | do i know u? |
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| 12:25 | <bsat> | yes its satish... :) |
| 12:25 | <dominick> | then who's satish? |
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| 12:25 | <dominick> | i mean he's still in the channel. |
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| 12:26 | <bsat> | thats me itself... |
| 12:26 | <bsat> | no.. |
| 12:26 | <bsat> | i got kicked out with that username |
| 12:26 | <bsat> | so had to get another one |
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| 12:26 | <babilen> | dominick: satish was autokicked because he said too many lines in row. |
| 12:26 | <babilen> | *sigh* |
| 12:26 | <dominick> | babilen, lol! |
| 12:26 | <dominick> | okay! |
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| 12:27 | <babilen> | !enter |
| 12:27 | <dpkg> | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 12:27 | <babilen> | bsat: ^^^^^^^ |
| 12:27 | <ompaul> | fedora at ip lovely |
| 12:27 | <bsat> | why do i keep goin out of channel... |
| 12:27 | <babilen> | bsat: Read what dpkg just said and use some interpunctation. |
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| 12:28 | <bsat> | k got it |
| 12:28 | <bsat> | hi babilen :) |
| 12:28 | <babilen> | err, punctuation :-\ (damn german) |
| 12:28 | <ompaul> | bsat: cos you type and hit enter, rather than making your point on one line, so you keep hitting enter like you had a full idea and then all of a sudden you went NOOOOO I need to say more, and you do then the bot counts your enters and says ... too many in one go OUT DAMN YOU or something like that |
| 12:28 | <ompaul> | babilen: ;-) |
| 12:29 | <dominick> | ompaul, :)) |
| 12:29 | <bsat> | okie thanks guys :) |
| 12:29 | <dominick> | wat's been happening bsat? have you got any VXML servers on debian? |
| 12:30 | <bsat> | i ll keep that in mind; |
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| 12:31 | <bsat> | no not so far... have you??? i actually was thinking is there any way of interconnectin PSTN with regular voip phone?? |
| 12:31 | <troulouliou> | hi does anybody have problem with teir wifi card recently on squeeze ? |
| 12:31 | <dominick> | bsat, yes, there is. you need a PSTN card. |
| 12:33 | <bsat> | PSTN card in PCI slot and a regular phone can be connected to it?? a regular mobile can be used to make calls to it? |
| 12:33 | <sney> | troulouliou: what card? |
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| 12:34 | <bsat> | i have a lot of confusion so if ur busy i ll keep my littlt doubts for later... :) |
| 12:34 | <dominick> | bsat, do you realise you're running late on your project? |
| 12:34 | <troulouliou> | sney: thi |
| 12:35 | <troulouliou> | sney: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [K ; sorry |
| 12:35 | <bsat> | yes i do... |
| 12:35 | <sney> | !iwlagn |
| 12:35 | <dpkg> | iwlagn is the driver for the Intel Wireless WiFi Link (4965AGN, 5100AGN, 5300AGN, 5350AGN, 5150AGN, 1000BGN, 6200AGN, 6300AGN, 6250AGN) series of devices. Included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bdo kernel> to install a later kernel containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 12:35 | <sney> | looks like you need firmware to make it work. |
| 12:35 | <troulouliou> | yes but it workded like a charm since 2 - 3 days ago |
| 12:35 | <dominick> | hi! can anybody help us with configuring a VXML server with speech recognition out of the debian repository? |
| 12:36 | <troulouliou> | i h ave a dual boot on windows and under win it is working perfectly |
| 12:36 | <bsat> | i am going to talk to my college guide tom divide the work among the team explain them wat has to be done... |
| 12:36 | <sney> | troulouliou: and you were on squeeze the whole time? |
| 12:36 | <dominick> | !iwlwifi |
| 12:36 | <dpkg> | iwlwifi is the driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. If upgrading from Etch, see http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi to switch from ipw3945 to iwl3945. See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:36 | <troulouliou> | sney: yes and i rememvered there was an update on the firmware package |
| 12:36 | <bsat> | i hav only told it to hiru until now... i am sorry |
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| 12:37 | <sney> | troulouliou: in that case you should check bugs.debian.org for the firmware package, if it killed your nic then it likely killed other peoples' as well |
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| 12:40 | <dominick> | troulouliou, I have the 3945, which uses the same driver. I have no problem with my card. |
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| 12:40 | <troulouliou> | dominick: will reinstall the firmware-iwlwifi package and check |
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| 12:41 | <troulouliou> | when i do ifconfig wlan0 up it says ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready in dmesg |
| 12:42 | <cybercaffe> | <cybercaffe> what is good billing for hot spot on windows? |
| 12:42 | <cybercaffe> | <cybercaffe> free billing please |
| 12:42 | <cybercaffe> | <cybercaffe> like antamedia hotspot but another |
| 12:42 | <cybercaffe> | <cybercaffe> do you know? |
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| 12:43 | <abrotman> | wtf |
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| 12:46 | <dominick> | Hi! Please help me find the tools to set up a VXML server from the debian repository! |
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| 13:48 | <Kfree> | hello, ive just upgraded lenny to squeeze and i have a minor problem with fonts, i 'm used to use a font called "terminal" but i can't find it anymore in squeeze, so... can anyone tell me if there is a way to get this old font from lenny on squeeze ? |
| 13:48 | <Kfree> | maybe a package containing many fonts i don't know.... |
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| 13:51 | <f8l> | Kfree: Do you mean Terminus? |
| 13:52 | <Kfree> | hum... i was written terminal on my system |
| 13:52 | <Kfree> | it was* |
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| 13:53 | <Kfree> | f8l: no matter do you know if there is a way to get terminus fonts on squeeze ? |
| 13:53 | <Kfree> | gonna give it a try |
| 13:53 | <Kfree> | i checked out on google it looks similar |
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| 13:54 | <cd> | Hi guys (and girl if any :P)! Is any chance to redirect a putty session (from my vista PC) console to the display attaced to my debian gateway? Thanks! |
| 13:54 | <ompaul> | Kfree: xfonts-terminus xfonts-terminus-dos xfonts-terminus-oblique |
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| 13:55 | <Kfree> | thx ompaul |
| 13:55 | <ompaul> | cd: your question, I don't understand it, which box are you logged onto from where, and where do you want the final display to be, is it of a console? |
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| 13:58 | <cd> | ompaul: now I'm speaking from x-chat running on my PC running vista (:P), and I log on to my debian gateway using putty; I have 2 monitors: one attaches to my vista PC and one attached to my debian gateway; I want that a putty session from my vista PC have the console messages redirected to the debian gateway display (console, monitor)... Are you following me? |
| 13:59 | <ompaul> | cd: you want to log on a second time and tail -f some logs? |
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| 14:00 | <cd> | ompaul: you mean to log on my debian gateway using putty and show you (what) logs? |
| 14:00 | <ompaul> | cd: what you are talking about is a recipe for failure - blasting your work environment out of it with messages that belong in other places |
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| 14:01 | <cd> | ompaul: doesn't care... just want that the monitor attached to my gateway to not sit there for nothing... OR do you have any ideea how can I make a better use of this hardware? |
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| 14:01 | <ompaul> | cd: no I mean you log onto the debian box twice, the second time to read your log files what you are describing that is a forced echo to the attached session means that you have to do some serious work to prevent your session from filling up with junk from log files that you don't need while you see 20 messages time after time that you don't need while trying to fix the box |
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| 14:03 | <ompaul> | cd: this is a bit like dossing your email with 20k messages when you over log what you want |
| 14:03 | <cd> | ompaul: I'm quite not really following you... |
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| 14:05 | <ompaul> | cd: you are the person who was nattering about fwlogwatch a short time ago? |
| 14:05 | <cd> | ompaul: yes, sir, I am... |
| 14:05 | <ompaul> | cd: I'm telling you what you are trying to do is even worse this time, |
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| 14:06 | <ompaul> | cd: I'm telling you log onto the box, tail -f the log files you want |
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| 14:06 | <cd> | ompaul: so... my second monitor had to sit there for nothing? |
| 14:07 | <ompaul> | cd: no, you can put several putty sessions on it and watch many log files - from within your crazy vista (which I strongly suggest you scrub and put squeeze on) |
| 14:07 | <ompaul> | cd: you could even full screen the putty application |
| 14:07 | <cd> | ompaul: I think you didn't understand me completely... I want that a ssh session from my vista to my debian system had the console redirected to the monitor attached to my debian gateway, not to the one attached to my PC running vista... |
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| 14:09 | <cd> | ompaul: I'm not interested for logs for the moment... only if it would help solve this problem... |
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| 14:09 | <ompaul> | cd: console redirect - you mean you want to type on the vista box and appear on the debian screen and the typing on putty takes place on the vista box ... |
| 14:09 | <Tiff> | logs generally are conducive to solving issues. >_> |
| 14:10 | <cd> | ompaul: yes, that's what I mean... |
| 14:10 | * | ompaul takes cd's crack pipe away |
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| 14:10 | <pleb2> | hey, I managed to restore a backup of my system, but now I need to replace the kernel with an i386 option, any howto guides? |
| 14:10 | <cd> | ompaul: what's that? a crack pipe? |
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| 14:11 | <Tiff> | lol. :P |
| 14:11 | <ompaul> | cd: it is me saying in not to good a way "you got to be joking if you think I am even going to consider that as a realistic proposition" |
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| 14:12 | <cd> | ompaul: so, what I want is kinda silly thing... |
| 14:12 | <ompaul> | that would be a very polite way of saying it |
| 14:13 | <ompaul> | you could do it |
| 14:13 | <cd> | ompaul: can't be done? why? |
| 14:13 | <ompaul> | but pointless beyond the point of crazy |
| 14:13 | <cd> | ompaul: yes, I want to do it... how? |
| 14:13 | <ompaul> | cd: you have the source code - you have the internet - you have the time - you do it |
| 14:14 | <cd> | omapul: doesn't care if it is crazy... just care to be done... |
| 14:14 | <ompaul> | cd: I'll give you two clues | and tty have fun on your own with that one |
| 14:14 | <cd> | ompaul: wow! source code... isn't there any other way? |
| 14:14 | <cd> | ompaul: ok, give me the clues... |
| 14:14 | <ompaul> | cd: if you haven't gotten the clue already I'm not interested |
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| 14:16 | <cd> | ompaul: sorry, guess didn't got any clue... thanks for oppinion and help anyway... |
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| 14:16 | <ompaul> | cd: I'll give you a third clue two clues " | tty tee " go have fun |
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| 14:16 | <ompaul> | meh happy editing on the fly |
| 14:16 | <mc68040> | cd: have a look at "screen", i think with it you can do what you want |
| 14:17 | <cd> | mc68040: thanks, already I'm using screen in my ssh session... |
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| 14:18 | <ompaul> | -x |
| 14:18 | <cd> | ompaul: thanks for clues... and happy irc-ing... |
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| 14:19 | <pleb2> | Guys i've restored a backup of a x64 machine on a machine with only a 32bit proc... how do I reinstall a new kernel?? |
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| 14:20 | <Tiff> | you have larger issues than the kernel |
| 14:20 | <pleb2> | I have my original x386 debian install CD, can I use that? |
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| 14:20 | <pleb2> | Tiff explain? |
| 14:20 | <ompaul> | pleb2: afiui you will have to install amd64 to restore a 64 bit box |
| 14:21 | <ompaul> | pleb2: you can't mix and match like that if any apps were restored that needed 64 bit |
| 14:21 | <Tiff> | all of /usr/bin etc. will be the 64-bit equiv apps too, etc. |
| 14:21 | <Tiff> | it won't run just with a kernel switch going from 64 -> 32 |
| 14:21 | <mc68040> | pleb2: i386 and amd64 are different architectures, you have to replace all binaries |
| 14:22 | <pleb2> | sounds like i'd be better of just restoring the data and configs |
| 14:22 | <ompaul> | cd: I still think you need your head examined for doing that but here is more or less what you want http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/56443 |
| 14:22 | <pleb2> | making a list of the apps |
| 14:22 | <Tiff> | that's sensible yes |
| 14:22 | <mc68040> | pleb2: yes |
| 14:23 | <pleb2> | okay, this might help then, is there anyway to copy a list of installed packages? |
| 14:24 | <mc68040> | pleb2: dpkg --get-selections |
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| 14:25 | <ompaul> | pleb2: well the database would be dependant on files that were 64bit so you would be a little screwed there, however if you can look in /var/cache/apt/archives and then do a cut at some point you might manage so to take a look at what got installed (not quite as clean as mc68040 but does look at the files on the machine) |
| 14:25 | <ompaul> | with a view to manipulating them |
| 14:26 | <pleb2> | @ompaul, okay, and thanks @mc68040 I'll have a go :).. I think I know what I have to reinstall, just knowing my luck I'll miss something |
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| 14:27 | <mc68040> | pleb2: another way: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
| 14:27 | <ompaul> | pleb2: if you look where I told you and do the right kind of cut -d"-" and so on you just might get very lucky :) |
| 14:27 | <pleb2> | last thing, is there anyway I can take user accounts + passwords over, from one to the other? which files would I need to take? |
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| 14:29 | <mc68040> | pleb2: normally /etc/passwd /etc/shadow /etc/group |
| 14:29 | <ml|_> | /etc/passwd* /etc/shadow* /etc/group* |
| 14:29 | <ompaul> | pleb2: and /home |
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| 14:29 | <ompaul> | pleb2: but if you are restoring you must have these already |
| 14:29 | <pleb2> | I've already got /home with permissions backed up :) |
| 14:30 | <pleb2> | yeah, do |
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| 14:30 | <pleb2> | when I move i'll just replace the whole /etc folder |
| 14:30 | <ompaul> | pleb2: do base install first and then move on up |
| 14:30 | <ml|_> | pleb2: better to only change what is needed in /etc imho |
| 14:31 | <pleb2> | ompaul, just ruined a perfectly good base install :P... |
| 14:31 | <pleb2> | and okay... change bits.. fun times :). |
| 14:31 | <ompaul> | pleb2: /etc is not your friend for random dumps |
| 14:32 | <ompaul> | pleb2: do them on a case by case basisi |
| 14:32 | <ml|_> | a bit late but, /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 14:34 | <ml|_> | that^ saved me a lot of time when I moved to amd64 recently |
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| 14:34 | <ml|_> | twice |
| 14:34 | <pleb2> | think it would have been all groovy had the machine supported 64bit :\.. and thanks, just had a look at that.. hopefully this should just be a one off :) |
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| 14:35 | <ompaul> | pleb2: you falling back to 32 bit because the box does not work with 64 bit? |
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| 14:36 | <pleb2> | ompaul its complicated... essentially yes. The machine is currently hosted on a vbox x64 machine but needs to be moved off of that machine... all we have spare is an old dell poweredge 2600 |
| 14:36 | <pleb2> | backwards_progress much... but budget is non-exsistent atm |
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| 14:38 | <ompaul> | pleb2: base install 32, then check your package listing, then make sure you change the list to move to 32 from 64, take it slowly and test a lot you might get there, hope it is not too urgent |
| 14:38 | <ompaul> | pleb2: not might should |
| 14:38 | <mc68040> | pleb2: must be very old, xeon with 32bit only... i have 3 old fujitsu-siemens machines like this too |
| 14:39 | <pleb2> | it is old... on the borderline before they started shipping 64 xeons... has 10krpm drives though and IO is more important than proc power to this machine... its a mailserver... |
| 14:40 | <pleb2> | hence the "copy accounts" question... creating 900 new accounts wouldnt have really been practical |
| 14:41 | <pleb2> | and Thanks everyone.. hopefully should get sorted :) |
| 14:41 | <mc68040> | pleb2: 900? i switched to a ldap based solution when i reached 100 |
| 14:41 | <ml|_> | pleb2: good luck and have fun ;) |
| 14:41 | <mc68040> | pleb2: yep, good luck |
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| 14:43 | <ompaul> | pleb2: and again .., good luck, that kind of lack of budget indicates time to run away |
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| 14:44 | <pleb2> | You're not kidding... im sure we've still got a 386 knocking around here somewhere... hmmm... new domain controller ;P |
| 14:44 | <pleb2> | catch you guys later! |
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| 14:55 | <sret> | anyone's got sound working on x11vnc? |
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| 15:17 | <sret> | anyone awake |
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| 15:21 | <sret> | ive read this http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/faq.html#faq-sound but im using x11vnc without ssh and i have esound installed |
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| 15:23 | <cahoot> | you actively cose esound? |
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| 15:23 | <cahoot> | chose |
| 15:23 | <sret> | ive installed esound |
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| 15:23 | <sret> | not sure how i actively choose it though |
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| 15:27 | <sret> | cahoot: if im not using ssh how do i do this based on that link? |
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| 15:30 | <cahoot> | no idea - esd seems rather dated/obsolete though |
| 15:31 | <sret> | what do i use instead of ESD then |
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| 15:35 | <cahoot> | sret: may I ask what you aim for? |
| 15:36 | <sret> | cahoot: trying to get sound working on my remote machine (local machine) using x11vnc |
| 15:36 | <Zokudu> | If I built the FGLRX driver to get 3d acceleration is it safe to upgrade xorg without upgrading the driver as well? |
| 15:36 | <sret> | i was trying to play a flash vid, the video works but o sound |
| 15:36 | <cahoot> | for playing music? |
| 15:36 | <sret> | music, demos, etc |
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| 15:38 | <cahoot> | pulseaudio has network capabilities IIRC |
| 15:38 | <sret> | yeah i noticed |
| 15:38 | <sret> | but will pulseaudio work well with x11vnc? |
| 15:39 | <cahoot> | no clue |
| 15:39 | <ompaul> | sret: do you run Debian as a native operating system? |
| 15:39 | <sret> | yes |
| 15:39 | <sret> | it's running as the VNC server now |
| 15:40 | <ompaul> | just curious :) |
| 15:40 | <ompaul> | sret: I'm not likely to think about x11vnc problems, have you checked that you can get sound out of the box itself? |
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| 15:41 | <sret> | on the remote machine there's sound working |
| 15:41 | <sret> | on the debian box im not sure if it has a sound card but should this matter? so long as x11vnc tells the remote machine to just play the damn audio file? |
| 15:41 | <ompaul> | are both machines running debian |
| 15:41 | <sret> | :P |
| 15:41 | <sret> | remote: windows |
| 15:41 | <sret> | laptop |
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| 15:43 | <sret> | if i do a cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 15:44 | <sret> | 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel |
| 15:44 | <sret> | HDA Intel at 0x901c0000 irq 22 |
| 15:44 | <sret> | that's about it |
| 15:45 | <cahoot> | but you want the sound handle by the win laptop? |
| 15:45 | <sret> | yes |
| 15:45 | <cahoot> | so the hda-intel will be by-passed - no? |
| 15:46 | <sret> | if im using x11vnc i want my windows machine to pick up sound |
| 15:46 | <sret> | as of now it doesnt |
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| 15:47 | <sret> | so i suspect x11vnc will need a workaround to get sound working remotely, the windows laptop machine works fine with sound just on its own |
| 15:47 | <ompaul> | sret: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_remote_desktop_software tells a story of a guy called sret and it tells how he was to read it and find out that x11vnc does not do audio nor to realvnc* versions |
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| 15:48 | <sret> | ompaul: but based on the link above it tells a story f a guy called ompaul who has to scroll and see i pasted a workaround just dont know how to get it working using ESD |
| 15:48 | <sret> | :P |
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| 15:48 | <ompaul> | sret: you seem to have the interest and the link enjoy |
| 15:49 | <sret> | basically http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/faq.html#faq-sound |
| 15:49 | <ompaul> | sret: basically it is a windows problem |
| 15:50 | <ompaul> | sret: so x11vnc according to that faq is not going to work, however you can do it with an ssh tunnel, and that well you have a how to for, but don't say it is a hack for x11vnc it is not, it is how you pipe sound over ssh :-/ |
| 15:51 | <sret> | how is this a windows problem? the link you pasted just talks about x11vnc having no support for windows |
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| 15:51 | <sret> | im not using x11vnc in windows, just on debian, the viewer is tinyvnc |
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| 15:52 | <sret> | the link you pasted clearly tells x11vnc doesnt work on windows, as in a server i suspect, but im using it on debian as a server, the viewer is tinyvnc |
| 15:53 | <sret> | sorry tightvnc viewer |
| 15:53 | <Zokudu> | If I built the FGLRX driver to get 3d acceleration is it safe to upgrade xorg without upgrading the driver as well? |
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| 15:54 | <sret> | from the looks of it, neither of them have audo support, not even tighgvnc |
| 15:54 | <ompaul> | sret: you should have read what I said, x11vnc has no audio support - did not say platform - I dislike windows and will put it down and rm it at half a chance |
| 15:55 | <olasd> | Zokudu: I guess the driver would need to be rebuilt for it to work with the new xorg version |
| 15:55 | <ompaul> | sret: if the server does not support audio how do you get the audio off that box - you use another tool |
| 15:55 | <cahoot> | netcat |
| 15:55 | <sret> | ompaul: yeah neither tightvnc or realvnc supports audio, only other guy who does is freenx |
| 15:55 | <ompaul> | not only but that is a whole other debate |
| 15:55 | <sret> | so say i run freenx, and use a tightvnc viewer will audio work? |
| 15:56 | <ompaul> | sret: why would a vnc viewer see nx? |
| 15:56 | <ompaul> | sret: someone who needs chalk to write on a board will not ask for cheese |
| 15:57 | <ompaul> | sret: take a moment to read the link you posted it suggests how to do it |
| 15:57 | <ompaul> | sret: the one I pointed at was based on your software suggestion that you were using and wanted to pump audio over |
| 15:57 | <sret> | i dont want to use ssh tunnelling, ssh lags like crazy even with just plain ssh + x11portforwarding |
| 15:58 | <sret> | but you ewre saying a vnc viewer wont see freenx? |
| 15:58 | <ompaul> | sret: are you smoking something illegal? |
| 15:58 | <sret> | asin it wont pick up audo? |
| 15:58 | <ompaul> | ssh lags ... |
| 15:58 | <cahoot> | the audio quality from laptopspeakers is a lesser nuisance? |
| 15:58 | * | ompaul gives up |
| 15:58 | <sret> | yeah like major if i do x11 port forwarding |
| 15:58 | <sret> | half the apps hang, freeze, i tried running iceweasel from ssh on windows, it practically just sat there for 10 mins before i could even type anytihng |
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| 16:01 | <sret> | but anyhow if freenx supports audio wont i get it working in the remote box ? it supports audio |
| 16:01 | <ompaul> | sret: ok before you go making bigger statements read this carefully, over a distance of 10km I had an inter office link of 10megs I could run ssh -X user@farend oowriter and use my open office in the other office, no real lag - so you got something else there in you mix |
| 16:02 | <ompaul> | sret: am I to understand that both your machines are on a home network? |
| 16:02 | <sret> | yeah |
| 16:02 | <ompaul> | sret: so how do you think the exercise would have fared on your network that I just did? |
| 16:02 | <sret> | for local there is no lag issues, i get that |
| 16:03 | <ompaul> | sret: ssh -C compresses unless it is assumed like in the case of -X |
| 16:03 | <sret> | but even during local ssh session apps were freezing up in the windows machine |
| 16:03 | <ompaul> | ssh -C should always be used |
| 16:03 | <sret> | the bandwidth is not the issue, its the apps loading |
| 16:03 | <ompaul> | windows shmindows |
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| 16:04 | <ompaul> | do yourself a favour and get a live CD of dsl and mess with ssh -X |
| 16:04 | <bsat> | hey dominick!!!! |
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| 16:04 | <sret> | things like xclock load up real quick |
| 16:04 | <sret> | but things like a browser, etc freeze up |
| 16:05 | <ompaul> | sret: how old is the laptop and what is it running? |
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| 16:05 | <sret> | i'll try ssh later,but i just want to know if freenx will work here? |
| 16:05 | <sret> | IBM t42 |
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| 16:05 | <sret> | xp |
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| 16:06 | <ompaul> | sret: according to the docs yes - however freenx is not in the repos so you need to read the docs that come with it and not have us read them for you |
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| 16:08 | <sret> | ompaul: the link i posted why is it sound only works via ssh? |
| 16:09 | <sret> | i dont get the point of how ssh relates to sound to get it working |
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| 16:09 | <ompaul> | sret: read the link where it tells you about how it is a work around i.e. does not involve x11vnc - you need to read to execute |
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| 16:12 | <sret> | im reading it i just odnt follow it |
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| 16:13 | <sret> | ssh -C -R 16001:localhost:16001 far-away.east |
| 16:13 | <ompaul> | sret: what it says in very simple language - x11vnc does not work - use ssh and far-away.east is the other machine localhost is the linux box |
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| 16:14 | <ompaul> | sret: and I didn't even check if it works with putty |
| 16:14 | <ballison> | i have a "wget" "pipe" "perl" question. If I wget a perl script and pipe it to perl, it works and it runs, BUT it skips all the prompts in the script (where it prompts for user interaction)... does anyone know how to fix that? |
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| 16:15 | <ompaul> | sret: that sound movement is between two linux boxes |
| 16:16 | <sret> | ompaul: it says it works for windows too |
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| 16:16 | <sret> | which means i need to install windows esd port in the laptop ? |
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| 16:17 | <ompaul> | sret: this is the bit I am reading - you got something else there that says it does audio? How can I hear the sound (audio) from the remote applications on the desktop I am viewing via x11vnc? |
| 16:17 | <ballison> | so for example wget -q0- http://www/myscript.pl | perl -i |
| 16:17 | <sret> | ompaul: im reading that |
| 16:17 | <ballison> | it runs the script, but never gives me a chance to answer the prompts. |
| 16:17 | <sret> | We show a simple Unix to Unix esd example here (artsd should be possible too, we have also verified the esd Windows port works for the method described below.) |
| 16:19 | <ompaul> | sret: and pray tell how would I know anything about windows let alone windows esd port ? |
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| 16:20 | <sret> | ompaul: your point? you said the sound movement was between two unix boxes and i corrected that saying he shows it owrks for windows too |
| 16:21 | <sret> | im not asking you to know if it'll work but im trying to make sense of the docu |
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| 16:23 | <ompaul> | sret: the ssh stuff is simple on debian you decide which machine is faraway and the other one - for putty ... I don't know that putty is what you want for that on windows you may want cygwin but again that is a windows issue ssh works it pumps data as requested between boxes and is not laggy when used with -C or correctly |
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| 16:24 | <sret> | ompaul: yeah on debian i have no issues |
| 16:24 | <ompaul> | sret: so to sum up go to ##windows on irc.freenode.net and ask them how you might install an esd port for windows and then put esd on your linux box but if it has no sound card it might say ... I have nowhere to pipe to so I'll just die quitely |
| 16:24 | <sret> | i know to install the esd port in window |
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| 16:29 | <ompaul> | sret: as a 100% aside since 1993 I have not had a windows desktop as my personal desktop - so I really don't know how they work and I don't understand why people still use it |
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| 16:36 | <sret> | ompaul: ok |
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| 16:36 | <sret> | ok let me get this right, i have to first ssh -C -R 16001:localhost:16001 to the linux machine ? |
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| 16:40 | <sret> | does this mean i ssh tunnel into the debian box with those options? |
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| 16:44 | <ompaul> | yes |
| 16:44 | <ompaul> | from my reading on it |
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| 16:45 | <sret> | ok |
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| 16:45 | <Soultaker1974> | buenas tardes |
| 16:45 | <Soultaker1974> | a todos |
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| 16:45 | <Soultaker1974> | alguien sabe como poner la resolucion en una Acer aspire one d255 |
| 16:46 | <sret> | so my display for vnc was actually :1 |
| 16:46 | <sret> | in this example it's set to 0 |
| 16:46 | <Soultaker1974> | sorry wrong channel |
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| 16:51 | <osmans> | Howdy. Can somebody provide a pastebin of their "/etc/fail2ban/jail.conf" |
| 16:51 | <osmans> | I've seemed to have fucked up my config file and I can't find a default config file anywhere on the internet |
| 16:51 | <@Ganneff> | http://packages.debian.org/sid/fail2ban |
| 16:52 | <@Ganneff> | download the package or the source, whatever you want, take it from there |
| 16:52 | <osmans> | I've tried removing it and re-installing, but it isn't re-installing the default "jail.conf" |
| 16:52 | <osmans> | not sure why :/ |
| 16:52 | <@Ganneff> | i bet you removed, not purged |
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| 16:52 | * | osmans noobie question |
| 16:52 | <osmans> | Whats the difference? |
| 16:53 | <@Ganneff> | you just ran into it |
| 16:53 | <osmans> | hmm |
| 16:53 | <osmans> | ok let me try that then |
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| 16:53 | <@Ganneff> | !purge |
| 16:53 | <dpkg> | In Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use 'aptitude purge [package]' or 'dpkg -P [package]' (note: you can't apt-get purge a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: aptitude purge '~c'. To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 16:53 | <@Ganneff> | !confmiss |
| 16:53 | <dpkg> | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>. |
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| 16:55 | <osmans> | Eureka! |
| 16:55 | <osmans> | Ganneff: Thank you! |
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| 16:55 | <osmans> | Amazingly I |
| 16:55 | <osmans> | Amazingly I've used "remove" all these years without any issues.. |
| 16:56 | <sret> | ompaul: if i do a esd -promiscuous -port 16001 -tcp -bind 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:56 | <sret> | i get a unrecronised option: bind |
| 16:56 | <sret> | unrecognised option: 127.0.0.1 |
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| 16:59 | <ompaul> | sret: apt-get install esound* |
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| 16:59 | <sret> | ompaul: already done that |
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| 16:59 | <ompaul> | then it should work - works here |
| 17:00 | <sret> | i have esound-clients too |
| 17:00 | <ompaul> | sret: on a server why |
| 17:00 | <sret> | i know but was just making sure i had everything |
| 17:00 | <yoshio> | how do I get aptitude to show me if I have any untrusted packages installed? |
| 17:01 | <sret> | ompaul: im still trying to figure how to connect using putty with those options -R and -C |
| 17:01 | <ompaul> | sret: I think this comes down to what I said earlier ... you may find that you lack a sound card and the driver has no where to direct the initial stream |
| 17:01 | <sret> | -R is port forwarding and i added port:16001 and destination host.dyndns-work.com:16001 |
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| 17:01 | <ompaul> | sret: basically unless you have fully functioning (by this I mean tested) esd on the debian box how can you hope to redirect it |
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| 17:02 | <sret> | how do i test esd on the debian box |
| 17:03 | <sret> | if i go into system> preferences> sound |
| 17:03 | <sret> | if i do an sound playback, test, i cant hear nothing |
| 17:04 | <sret> | or under the Sounds tab if i try to play a .wav file cant hear nothing |
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| 17:06 | <ompaul> | sret: so you need to get something that (A) plays esd and (B) talks out its speakers and choose your sound mixer and and card |
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| 17:07 | <ompaul> | sret: if you were on KDE I'd be more useful now if you are on gnome I suggest you right click on the speaker and see if you get any config options there |
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| 17:10 | <sret> | right now there's preferences |
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| 17:11 | <sret> | select the device and track to control: HDA Intel (Alsa mixer) |
| 17:11 | <sret> | how do i check if there's a soundcard |
| 17:11 | <ompaul> | how will alsa work with esd |
| 17:11 | <ompaul> | sret: it should show you a list of devices |
| 17:11 | <sret> | i tried modprobe but thee''ss modprobe installed here, it doesn't recognise it |
| 17:12 | <sret> | ompaul: which one should i choose? PCM? |
| 17:12 | <ompaul> | sret: for esd? |
| 17:12 | <ompaul> | sret: dots join the |
| 17:12 | <ompaul> | sret: you want to use esd yes? |
| 17:12 | <sret> | my default mixer tracks under preferences> sound> is HDA intel ALSA mixer |
| 17:12 | <sret> | ompaul: yes |
| 17:13 | <sret> | whatever will get my system to produce some sound |
| 17:13 | <ompaul> | no |
| 17:13 | <ompaul> | you want esd for your example |
| 17:13 | <ompaul> | you can't just randomly pick stuff |
| 17:13 | <sret> | oklets try esd |
| 17:13 | <sret> | i havent setup the x11vnc stuff yet, im trying to rectify my sound issue on the debian box if there's an issue |
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| 17:16 | <sret> | i have an option to select ALSA mixer or realtek's OSS mixer |
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| 17:19 | <sret> | i tried cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio |
| 17:19 | <sret> | no sound |
| 17:21 | <sret> | lspci | grep -i audio |
| 17:21 | <sret> | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 17:21 | <sret> | so ther eis one |
| 17:22 | <yoshio> | !ac97 |
| 17:22 | <dpkg> | There is no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses AC'97 audio. As AC'97 is just an audio codec standard, you need a driver for your audio chip. In <ALSA>, it is usually one of snd-intel8x0, snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx; use <lspci -k> to check. The AC'97 standard was superseded by the Intel High Definition Audio specification in 2004 (supported by snd-hda-intel). |
| 17:22 | <yoshio> | sret: modprobe snd-hda-intel ? |
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| 17:23 | <sret> | modprobe not recognised, modprobe isnt even in the debian repors |
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| 17:23 | <yoshio> | modprobe is the replacement for 'insmod' |
| 17:23 | <sret> | alsa is getting configured, let me see if it'll work first then we can try ESD |
| 17:23 | <sret> | yoshio: ok |
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| 17:25 | <yoshio> | /sbin/modprobe is in the package 'module-init-tools' for squeeze |
| 17:25 | <sret> | ok if i do speaker-test, i get no errors, but i dont hear no sound either |
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| 17:27 | <Thiago> | hello guys, I use gentoo distro and unfortunately I can't connecting to #gentoo channel...I have an X server problem...(EE) No devices detected found ... Fatal server error .. No screens found |
| 17:28 | <Thiago> | can someone help me? |
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| 17:28 | <Thiago> | my current xorg-server is 1.9.3 |
| 17:29 | <sret> | im giving up |
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| 17:30 | <yoshio> | sudo /sbin/modprobe snd-hda-intel doesn't help? |
| 17:30 | <ansgar> | Thiago: #gentoo is on Freenode, not OFTC as far as I know. |
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| 17:32 | <sret> | yoshio: it returns nothing |
| 17:33 | <yoshio> | sret: ok, if it wasn't found, it would complain. /sbin/lsmod - should show that it's installed |
| 17:33 | <sret> | i see snd_hda_intel on the top of the list |
| 17:33 | <yoshio> | sret: if you are using an old release, you need to install a package like alsa-modules-2.4.27-1-686 to get sound |
| 17:33 | <sret> | and a bunch of other snd_* stuff |
| 17:34 | <sret> | i just did alsaconf |
| 17:34 | <sret> | and it reconfigured it i think.. not sure if its updated |
| 17:34 | <yoshio> | sret: the mixer defaults to a level of '0' - did you turn up the sound level? |
| 17:34 | <sret> | i have alsa-base |
| 17:34 | <sret> | yeah the sound is way up |
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| 17:36 | <sret> | i have alsa-base and alsa-utils installed here |
| 17:36 | <sret> | yoshio: not sure if this makes sense but from doing /sbin/lsmod in the list i see pcspkr:0 |
| 17:37 | <ompaul> | pc speaker |
| 17:37 | <sret> | but psmouse : 0 too though im using one |
| 17:37 | <ompaul> | .. 0 is the first one found |
| 17:37 | <ompaul> | 1 would be the second one found |
| 17:38 | <sret> | ok so this means i do have a pc speaker and sound card stuff judging from the list |
| 17:38 | <yoshio> | sret: I think that' |
| 17:38 | <yoshio> | I think it's for the bee |
| 17:38 | <yoshio> | beep |
| 17:38 | <yoshio> | !alsa install |
| 17:38 | <dpkg> | "aptitude -r install alsa-utils". After package installation, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels. Some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA, see <devdsp>. You may also need to install libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications on Lenny. Some ALSA drivers require firmware from userspace, ask me about <alsa firmware>. To set the default sound card, ask me about <default alsa>. |
| 17:39 | <yoshio> | alsa-checklist |
| 17:39 | <yoshio> | !alsa-checklist |
| 17:39 | <dpkg> | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 17:41 | <sret> | 5 doesnt wor |
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| 17:42 | <yoshio> | sret: if you have onboard sound, is the bios set for sound on? |
| 17:42 | <sret> | i'll have to check |
| 17:42 | <sret> | thanks |
| 17:42 | <sret> | brb need to feed the horses:D |
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| 17:44 | <babilen> | sret: cat /proc/asound/cards is always interesting |
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| 17:49 | <Dominus> | Oy. Do you know the name of a good IRC Bouncer (BNC) ? :) |
| 17:49 | <Dominus> | Besides shroudBNC |
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| 17:49 | <babilen> | ,info znc |
| 17:49 | <judd> | Package znc (net, optional) in lenny/i386: advanced modular IRC bouncer. Version: 0.058-2+lenny4; Size: 989.0k; Installed: 2804k; Homepage: http://znc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:50 | <babilen> | !tell Dominus -about search |
| 17:50 | <Dominus> | babilen: I did search first...... |
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| 17:58 | <k-man> | with the kp-mantra, is there some trick to recompiling without having to do a make clean first? |
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| 18:08 | <sret> | ok done |
| 18:08 | <sret> | back |
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| 18:09 | <sret> | hi babilen i think i chcked that before, let me try now |
| 18:10 | <sret> | babilen: yep i did this command before it says |
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| 18:10 | <sret> | 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel |
| 18:11 | <sret> | HDA Intel at 0x901c0000 irq 22 |
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| 18:13 | <yoshio> | sret: and you made sure sound was enabled in bios? |
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| 18:13 | <sret> | checking that too |
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| 18:14 | <babilen> | http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-driver.git;a=blob_plain;f=utils/alsa-info.sh |
| 18:14 | <babilen> | all the information you need ^^^^ check with #also on freenode if in doubt -- /me calls it a day |
| 18:15 | <babilen> | #alsa that is |
| 18:15 | <sret> | if i do a ps aux |
| 18:15 | <sret> | if i do a ps aux |grep esd |
| 18:15 | <sret> | its set at esd -nobeeps |
| 18:16 | <sret> | babilen: ok |
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| 18:20 | <sret> | yoshio: in my bios > peripheral settings: audo: enabled |
| 18:20 | <sret> | it was enabled before |
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| 18:23 | <sret> | ok i connected my USB speaker and still nothing |
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| 18:27 | <sret> | yoshio: any ideas |
| 18:28 | <ompaul> | sret: usb speakers are not the best option you seem to have the worst in the world setups don't you have one speaker set that is using a "normal" sound card output |
| 18:29 | <sret> | well how do i find out if its even using it |
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| 18:29 | <sret> | the system has an onboard sundcard from the looks of it |
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| 18:30 | <sret> | we probed for the soundcard in every way possible im not getting any sound at all |
| 18:30 | <ompaul> | sret: if it was me, a normal computer speaker cable and speaker from sound card (light green) alsa to test, then I would try the other funky stiff you want |
| 18:31 | <sret> | but i just ran the alsa tests, its not picking up anything |
| 18:31 | <ompaul> | sret: it is like you get the bar and you put it 100m above your head and say I'll just throw this small golf ball over it |
| 18:31 | <ompaul> | sret: in general linux "just works" |
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| 18:31 | <yoshio> | sret: when you checked the audio levels, you did make sure that the channels were not muted? |
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| 18:32 | <ompaul> | sret: when you look at the box there is a green jackplug socket ]on it? |
| 18:32 | <sret> | yes its not muted, from the speaker icon i dont see anything muted and inside alsamixer too |
| 18:32 | <sret> | ompaul: where should i look for that? |
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| 18:33 | <ompaul> | sret: on the box - a box is a computer |
| 18:33 | <sret> | ompaul: are you talking about the green jack like to inser headphones? |
| 18:33 | <ompaul> | sret: yes |
| 18:33 | <sret> | yeah i have 3 of those |
| 18:33 | <ompaul> | sret: so have you headphones? |
| 18:34 | <ompaul> | I'll take that as a no |
| 18:34 | <sret> | nope |
| 18:34 | <yoshio> | sret: on the mixer, you made sure both the Master and PCM are up? |
| 18:35 | <sret> | PCM 100 |
| 18:35 | <sret> | master: 81 |
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| 18:36 | <ompaul> | yoshio: this guy does not have a normal speaker, want to push esd across an ssh link to a windows box running some kind of ssh client because tightvnc client does not do audio |
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| 18:36 | <yoshio> | ah |
| 18:37 | <ompaul> | yoshio: and the tightvnc box is a windows box I have basically given up but can't let go ;-) |
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| 18:37 | <sret> | ompaul: we're not trying to fix x11vnc audionow |
| 18:37 | <ompaul> | sret: well it is not fixable |
| 18:37 | <sret> | just trying to get sound working and then i'll work on x11vnc,you deduced that if sound doesnt work here, then its not going to get directed to the windows machine |
| 18:37 | <ompaul> | sret: the thing you want is some output device for your debian box |
| 18:37 | <sret> | ompaul: why not? |
| 18:38 | <ompaul> | x11vnc can't carry audio you have not been at the races at all today have you? |
| 18:38 | <sret> | ompaul: why are you jumping topics now man? |
| 18:38 | <sret> | im trying to fix audio on my debian box, thats all! |
| 18:39 | <sret> | not esd, not anything else! i can look into x11vnc or freens or whatever the hell it is later on |
| 18:39 | <ompaul> | I'm not jumping, I was bringing yoshio up to speed with your aim at the end of the day |
| 18:39 | <sret> | im trying to get alsa working |
| 18:39 | <sret> | simple |
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| 18:39 | <ompaul> | sret: have you got some "normal speakers"? |
| 18:39 | <sret> | my aim at the end of the day is pointless right now, i ned sound working, to reduce all fial factors when connecting through vnc later on |
| 18:39 | <ompaul> | usb is not nromal |
| 18:39 | <sret> | but at the moment the only important thing is getting sound working |
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| 18:40 | <sret> | i dont have any other speaker, just the USB logitech ones |
| 18:41 | <ompaul> | sret: borrow some - it should work out of the box. I have it working out of the box on five boxes here four of mine and my wifes |
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| 18:41 | <sret> | i dont understand |
| 18:41 | <sret> | why would only an out of the box speaker work and not USB? |
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| 18:42 | <ompaul> | sret: it will work out of that nice speaker socket first |
| 18:42 | <ompaul> | it may or may now work on your usb |
| 18:42 | <ompaul> | s/now/not |
| 18:42 | <sret> | but it picked it up right away in the default device |
| 18:42 | <ompaul> | you had an audio out? |
| 18:42 | <ompaul> | noise and stuff |
| 18:43 | <sret> | no sound, but it picked up the device in the sound settings |
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| 18:43 | <vacco> | Hello! Would anybody be able to help me out a little bit with installing Debian to a USB stick? |
| 18:43 | <sret> | before i had device: HDA itntel (Alsa mixer) now i see that and Z-10 USB speaker (Alsamixer) |
| 18:44 | <ompaul> | you want two things - to show that alsa has worked (you need audio output to do that) and then to show that esd also works |
| 18:44 | <yoshio> | sret: you have alsa-base, alsa-oss and alsa-utils installed? |
| 18:44 | <vacco> | with the stick plugged in, I type sudo zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb in Gnome Terminal in Ubuntu, which returns bash: /dev/sdb: No access |
| 18:44 | <ompaul> | sret: I'm not in this conversation going forward |
| 18:45 | <sret> | ha! |
| 18:45 | <sret> | i got sound working |
| 18:45 | <ompaul> | !ubuntu |
| 18:45 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 18:45 | <sret> | but the system sounds dont work, but otherwise it does |
| 18:45 | <abrotman> | ompaul: he's asking how to setup the Debian installer in ubuntu |
| 18:46 | <abrotman> | vacco: try putting the whole command in quotes perhaps? |
| 18:46 | <sret> | i had to select USB audio instead of ALSA Advanced Linux and Sound Arch |
| 18:46 | <ompaul> | abrotman: ack |
| 18:46 | <sret> | ompaul: my usb audio works |
| 18:46 | <vacco> | I should use quotes in the terminal? |
| 18:46 | <sret> | so i guess i dont need no out of the box speaker after al |
| 18:46 | <sret> | its all in the settings from the looks of it |
| 18:47 | <sret> | yoshio: yes i have alsa-base, alsa-utils |
| 18:47 | <sret> | let me check for alsa-oss |
| 18:47 | <abrotman> | vacco: try it .. or don't do it using sudo |
| 18:47 | <sret> | yoshio: alsa-oss wasnt installed, installing it now |
| 18:48 | <vacco> | bash: sudo zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb: No such file or catalog |
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| 18:48 | <yoshio> | sret: there is also an oss-compat package |
| 18:49 | <ompaul> | abrotman: he'll need sudo sudo -i to get to root and then the cat should work |
| 18:49 | <vacco> | ommitting sudo did not help |
| 18:49 | <abrotman> | vacco: sudo su .. just do it as root ? |
| 18:49 | <yoshio> | sret: you selected USB audio instead of alsa where? in the mixer? |
| 18:50 | <sret> | yoshio: in the systems> preferences> sound> |
| 18:50 | <babilen> | vacco: I have not idea if this works in Ubuntu, but you could try "sudo -i" to become root or: sudo sh -c "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX" |
| 18:50 | <sret> | i had USB audio, ALSA, OSS, and when i did a test for audio playback it worked |
| 18:50 | <sret> | i got a beep |
| 18:50 | <sney> | sudo -s will also make you root |
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| 18:51 | <babilen> | vacco: replace X with a sensible value (insert stick, run "dmesg|tail -n 10" to see which /dev/sdX you need) |
| 18:51 | <babilen> | vacco: and listen to abrotman :) |
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| 18:52 | <vacco> | Thank you, sudo -i seemed to help |
| 18:53 | <vacco> | now, I am following the easy way in this guide: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 18:53 | <yoshio> | how do I get aptitude to show me if I have any untrusted packages installed? |
| 18:53 | <vacco> | am I supposed to copy the actual .iso to the stick or mount the .iso and copy the contents? |
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| 18:55 | <sret> | yoshio: the tests passed, but i cant get sound fromsay i tried youtube, nothing |
| 18:55 | <ompaul> | yoshio: start with apt-key list to see if all your repos have the right keys |
| 18:55 | <abrotman> | vacco: the ISO file .. |
| 18:55 | <ompaul> | yoshio: it will tell you if you have keys for all repos you use |
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| 18:59 | <ompaul> | yoshio: there is also this nightmare ;-) http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch7 |
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| 19:00 | <vacco> | thank you. Does the content of my "Debian Inst" flash stick look OK to you guys: adgtk.cfg f3.txt g2ldr.mbr setup.exe |
| 19:00 | <vacco> | adtxt.cfg f4.txt gtk.cfg splash.png |
| 19:00 | <vacco> | debian-507-amd64-netinst.iso f5.txt initrdg.gz stdmenu.cfg |
| 19:00 | <vacco> | disk.lbl f6.txt initrd.gz syslinux.cfg |
| 19:00 | <vacco> | exithelp.cfg f7.txt ldlinux.sys txt.cfg |
| 19:00 | -!- | vacco was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste] |
| 19:00 | <abrotman> | whoops |
| 19:00 | <yoshio> | sret: http://www.gbar.dtu.dk/wiki/Remote_Sound |
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| 19:04 | <yoshio> | ompaul: apt-key list is fine |
| 19:05 | <yoshio> | sret: esound is no longer developed, seems pulseaudio can do the remote thing |
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| 19:07 | <Ra{G}nO> | sera |
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| 19:09 | <yoshio> | sret: I was playing the game Gweled (like bejeweled, match three objects), and it turns out that it steals the sound, browser (youtube) won't have audio while the game is running |
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| 19:12 | <perlsyntax> | Does anyone know if the testing is stable yet? |
| 19:12 | <babilen> | !tell perlsyntax -about wwsr |
| 19:12 | <perlsyntax> | ? |
| 19:12 | <timon> | perlsyntax: testing is not stable because it's testing |
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| 19:12 | <babilen> | perlsyntax: and "testing" will never be "stable" -- squeeze (current testing) will be |
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| 19:13 | <perlsyntax> | ok |
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| 19:13 | <babilen> | perlsyntax: You should have received a private message from dpkg |
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| 19:13 | <abrotman> | perlsyntax: squeeze is suspected to maybe relebleh |
| 19:13 | <timon> | there he goes... |
| 19:14 | <timon> | ...anyone else has a good idea of how to keep me from doing those letters I need for the government agency supposed to pay for my job training? |
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| 19:15 | <sret> | aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 19:15 | <abrotman> | huh? |
| 19:15 | <sret> | Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono |
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| 19:15 | <sret> | but i hear nothing |
| 19:18 | <sret> | any ideas? ;/ |
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| 19:22 | <babilen> | sret: Was ompaul's description of your setup more or less accurate? If so → make it easier and eliminate error sources (direct connection, no tightvnc, no usb speaker, ...) describe the *exact* setup you have. I would also recommend to talk to the "sound people" in #alsa on freenode as they are likely to know more about sound than we do. |
| 19:24 | <babilen> | sret: That said: Your soundcard is well supported and you shouldn't have problems. It must be something else, so make it *as easy as possible* and make sure it works. You can then venture into more complex setups (although I don't understand why you actually need such a setup, but meh) |
| 19:24 | <babilen> | s/easy/simple |
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| 19:26 | <yoshio> | sret: what do you mean by system sounds don't work, but otherwise it does? when you said sound worked, what app were you using? |
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| 19:27 | <sret> | System: preferences: sound: in there you can run tests for playbackk, sound for movies, etc |
| 19:28 | <sret> | it worked there but if it doesnt work if i play a youtube video or something |
| 19:28 | <sret> | babilen: im just tring to get sound working now, it works inside of the gnome sound settings, but not anywhere else |
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| 19:30 | <babilen> | probably some pulseaudio fuckup -- do you have it installed/running? |
| 19:30 | <yoshio> | sret: weird, sound themes are disabled in preferences->sound->preferences in gnome for me |
| 19:30 | <sret> | yeah someone told me to installl pulseaudio in here |
| 19:31 | <yoshio> | and I don't have any place to do tests in there |
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| 19:31 | <tuxodau> | sret: no don `t use pulse |
| 19:31 | <sret> | yoshio: under devices: Sound playback |
| 19:31 | <sret> | i had it selected to USB audio and clicked test, it worked |
| 19:32 | <sret> | sam ewith music and movies, audio conferencing |
| 19:33 | <sret> | ok dont have pulseaudio installed here |
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| 19:34 | <babilen> | sret: try http://paste.debian.net/105485 in /etc/asound.conf (if you start it as system daemon) or ~/.asoundrc (if you start it in your window manager) -- kill pulseaudio and restart it. check volume levels with, for example, pavucontrol |
| 19:34 | <babilen> | sret: further details on the pulseaudio wiki |
| 19:34 | <sret> | got no pulseaudio installed here |
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| 19:34 | <babilen> | sret: you just said that you have it installed ... is it installed or not? running or not? |
| 19:34 | <sret> | its not |
| 19:35 | <babilen> | so, your sound is working, just not with flash movies? |
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| 19:35 | <sret> | its not working within alsa either |
| 19:36 | <sret> | the speaker-test or the aplay usr/share/sounds/alsa/xx.wav doesnt work |
| 19:36 | <sret> | it shows its playing wave,, etc but cant hear nothing |
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| 19:36 | <wzl> | hi |
| 19:37 | <yoshio> | sret: maybe it's trying to send audio to the 1/8" jack rather than the usb speakers? |
| 19:38 | <sret> | possibly |
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| 19:39 | <babilen> | sret: change the default output |
| 19:41 | <sret> | you mean options snd -pcm thingy? |
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| 19:45 | * | babilen starts some gnome-thingie |
| 19:45 | <yoshio> | sret: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=600208 |
| 19:46 | <babilen> | no, i meant in gnome-control-center → sound → default whatever |
| 19:46 | * | babilen kills gnome-thingie |
| 19:46 | <sret> | interesting |
| 19:47 | <global_> | Anyone know why gedit would change my scrool behaviour? |
| 19:47 | <yoshio> | sret: http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA |
| 19:47 | <global_> | *scroll. I want to hold down on the down arrow to scroll, after gedit opened it is disabled |
| 19:48 | <abrotman> | and it does what instead? |
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| 19:48 | <sret> | babilen: my default mixer is shown as alsa |
| 19:48 | <sret> | default mixer tracks: PCM |
| 19:48 | <global_> | Goes down one line not multiple |
| 19:49 | <abrotman> | but only in gedit ? |
| 19:49 | <global_> | No, now all of them do it AFTER executing gedit |
| 19:49 | <yoshio> | sret: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1841721#post1841721 |
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| 19:49 | <abrotman> | sounds like something in your gedit preferences .. |
| 19:49 | <global_> | I killed x and it fixed it, i do not want to kill x again |
| 19:50 | <abrotman> | check your keyboard settings in the system->preferences |
| 19:50 | <abrotman> | and/or .. stop using gedit ? |
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| 19:50 | <global_> | I used it once, i mainly don'y |
| 19:50 | <sret> | babilen: i did what the ubuntu link said |
| 19:50 | <global_> | *don't |
| 19:50 | <sret> | i set default to Speaker |
| 19:50 | <babilen> | sret: So, could you paste the output of "cat /proc/asound/cards again (to a pastebin) please? |
| 19:50 | <sret> | still nothing |
| 19:50 | <babilen> | sret: What did you do? |
| 19:50 | <global_> | what setting would it be though? |
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| 19:51 | <abrotman> | who konws .. remove them all for gedit |
| 19:51 | <sret> | i did asoundconf list |
| 19:51 | <sret> | and ran sudo asoundconf set-default-card Speaker |
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| 19:52 | <sret> | good god that workaround messed it up more, i dont hear anything now |
| 19:52 | <sret> | http://paste.debian.net/105486/ |
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| 19:53 | <babilen> | sret: I asked you before -- and you just listed the intel card -- you do indeed have more cards. *sigh* |
| 19:54 | <babilen> | https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA#Troubleshooting → read and understand that |
| 19:54 | <sret> | i only have USB logitech device |
| 19:54 | <sret> | if i remove that i only have the intel one |
| 19:55 | <babilen> | no, you have card (index 0) snd hda intel and USB-Audio - Z-10 USB Speaker (index 1) you want the latter to be the default |
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| 19:55 | <babilen> | s/card/the intel card |
| 19:55 | <sret> | the USB audio is the logitech one man |
| 19:55 | <sret> | its one thing |
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| 19:55 | <sret> | cards mentioned will have a 0 and if there's more than one it'll have 0,1.2 and so on |
| 19:55 | <babilen> | yes, and it needs to be configured as your soundcard/output |
| 19:56 | <sret> | well based on the ubuntu link |
| 19:56 | <sret> | i did asoundconf |
| 19:56 | <sret> | and set default card to speaker |
| 19:56 | <sret> | and now nothing works |
| 19:56 | <babilen> | sret: Could you please get some headphones somewhere and check the motherboard soundcards headphone output? |
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| 19:57 | <sret> | dont have any here |
| 19:59 | <yoshio> | sret: do you have a 1/8" to RCA connector audio cable to connect to your TV or portable DVD player? then switch the input of the TV or DVD to the external connector, to use as a speaker |
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| 20:05 | <yoshio> | do 'alsamixer', then hit F6 to choose a sound card. is PC Speaker up to a decent level? |
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| 20:07 | <yoshio> | sret: what choices (sound cards) does asoundconf list? |
| 20:08 | <sret> | Speaker, Intel |
| 20:08 | <sret> | f6 does nothing |
| 20:08 | <yoshio> | that's with the USB plugged in? |
| 20:08 | <sret> | yes |
| 20:09 | <yoshio> | alsamixer 1.0.23 in squeeze - when I hit F6, it allows me to choose a sound card |
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| 20:10 | <sret> | im in lenny |
| 20:10 | <yoshio> | I don't have asoundconf in squeeze |
| 20:10 | <sret> | f6 doesnt do anything |
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| 20:14 | <sret> | this is pretty fucked up if you ask me |
| 20:14 | <sret> | to get sound working i need to break my head over it |
| 20:15 | <sret> | theres like a 1000 fucking settings for alsa and what not in 10 different places |
| 20:16 | <yoshio> | sret: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2009-02/msg00671.html gives a link to http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc#Default_PCM_device which has "Dupe output to multiple cards" |
| 20:17 | <yoshio> | sret: to do debugging, you should have regular speakers or headphones |
| 20:18 | <sret> | i dont understand that link says i could use USB and modify asound |
| 20:18 | <sret> | by adding external |
| 20:18 | <drone77> | are you trying to set it as the default? or get it to work at all? |
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| 20:19 | <sret> | where the hell is asoundrc file? |
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| 20:21 | <drone77> | you may have to create one |
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| 20:22 | <sret> | i found it |
| 20:22 | <sret> | when i do aplay -L |
| 20:23 | <sret> | i dont see my USB listed there |
| 20:23 | <yoshio> | it says under warning Neither .asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf is normally required. |
| 20:23 | <sret> | i dont see my USb audio in the aplay list |
| 20:24 | <sret> | fuck this shit im done for today |
| 20:24 | <sret> | thakns for all your help |
| 20:24 | <yoshio> | aplay -l -- does this list the usb |
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| 20:24 | <sret> | it does not1 |
| 20:25 | <sret> | fuck it man im done |
| 20:25 | <sret> | for today |
| 20:25 | <sret> | fucking pissing me off to no ends, to get just volume working i have to add a line here add a line there, fucking add a ;line up alsa's ass |
| 20:25 | <sret> | good day |
| 20:26 | <yoshio> | delete ~/.asoundrc, see if /etc/asound.conf is screwed up, try to get back to where you were |
| 20:27 | * | abrotman wanted to find good USB headphones .. gave up |
| 20:27 | <babilen> | sret: Run the also info script i gave you earlier -- it queries *all* information you or anybody else might need. Make sure your USB speaker soundcard is working properly and discuss it in #alsa -- there is a USB device list on the wiki |
| 20:28 | <drone77> | my Z10s are playing me music atm |
| 20:28 | <babilen> | drone77: :-þ |
| 20:28 | <Tiff> | O-O |
| 20:28 | <Tiff> | You realize you've been talking about sound for like, 5 hours straight, right? That's prob not healthy. :P |
| 20:29 | <babilen> | why buy usb something if you have a soundcard and can buy some nice AKG headphones for the same price (i know, irrelevant) |
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| 20:29 | <abrotman> | babilen: uhm .. because i thought it would be fun |
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| 20:30 | <drone77> | because the speakers have a pretty little LCD in! |
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| 20:57 | <sret> | drone77: yeah |
| 20:57 | <sret> | are you runinng it off gnome? |
| 20:58 | <sret> | babilen: i was in alsa awhile ago, some douchebag who couldnt even write a decent sentence in english had to be check the alsamixer and mademe unmute everything and asked me to do alsamixer -c whatever and still couldnt get a sound, he then said he had to hit to bed |
| 20:58 | <sret> | had me* |
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| 21:00 | <drone77> | sret: nope not gnome |
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| 21:00 | * | dvs_ hides in the bushes |
| 21:00 | <babilen> | sret: Ok, that is unfortunate. |
| 21:01 | <sret> | also he had me take a screenshot of cat proc/sound/cards or whatever |
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| 21:01 | <babilen> | dvs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zekiZYSVdeQ |
| 21:01 | <sret> | sorry had mepaste that to a pastebin and a screenshot of the alsamixer so he could see the settings |
| 21:02 | <sret> | linux needs to seriously work on volume stuff, having to configure so much of crap just to get some volume is ridiculous |
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| 21:02 | <sret> | i mean each wm has its own volume settings, if you muck that up you're screwed, then over hat you got alsa and esd and what not |
| 21:03 | <drone77> | sret do you have anything under /dev/snd/by-id/ |
| 21:03 | <sret> | a USB device should be picked up automatically |
| 21:03 | <sret> | not having to edit asoundrc or whatever, it should be automatic! |
| 21:03 | <sret> | let me check |
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| 21:03 | <babilen> | sret: I would start with running the also info script I gave you around 22:30 GMT -- It contains all information one might need and spares #d to ask many questions. |
| 21:04 | <sret> | where is this info script |
| 21:04 | <babilen> | sret: Check your logs -- or google "alsa info script" or something like that |
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| 21:05 | <babilen> | 2314 <babilen> http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-driver.git;a=blob_plain;f=utils/alsa-info.sh |
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| 21:06 | <sret> | drone77: there's a bunch of stuff there |
| 21:07 | <sret> | pcm, controlC0, timer |
| 21:07 | <drone77> | mine lists: usb-Logitech_Z-10_USB_Speaker-00 |
| 21:07 | <sret> | under where? |
| 21:07 | <drone77> | ls /dev/snd/by-id/ |
| 21:08 | <sret> | what should i put in by-id? |
| 21:08 | <sret> | all i have is the stuff i mentoioned, nothing about a USB logitech |
| 21:08 | <drone77> | also here is dmesg from removal and insert of usb cable http://drone77.pastebin.com/y4RUrgFb |
| 21:08 | <drone77> | you shouldn't it should auto populate |
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| 21:11 | <drone77> | what does dmesg show, anything? |
| 21:11 | <babilen> | sret: *please run the script and paste its output* |
| 21:11 | <sret> | yes in dmes i see my USB speaker |
| 21:11 | <babilen> | *sigh* |
| 21:11 | <sret> | babilen: im frankly tirewd of googling dont take offense |
| 21:11 | <babilen> | google? |
| 21:11 | <sret> | first it was it to get something working., so i googled, then to get that working i had to google some more |
| 21:12 | <sret> | finally i ended up in ground 0 to get started on something while i have 10 steps to make before i can reach anywhere and it still wont work |
| 21:12 | <babilen> | why google? open link in browser → save → execute |
| 21:12 | <sret> | i dont want to google |
| 21:13 | <drone77> | have you a link to your dmesg output? |
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| 21:13 | <babilen> | sret: And to be honest: I am 100% sure that your hda intel card works without a problem *right now* (and assuming a wage of 7-15€/h you could afford a pair of headphones right now -- just saying) |
| 21:14 | <babilen> | sret: why do you want to google i gave you the link to the script *twice* already ... |
| 21:14 | <sret> | i didnt see it! |
| 21:14 | <abrotman> | whihc kernel is it? |
| 21:14 | <abrotman> | and which intel device? |
| 21:15 | <babilen> | sret: At 23:14 UTC and 02:05 UTC -- check your logs |
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| 21:18 | <drone77> | mm... or not... |
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| 21:21 | <sret> | how ami supposed to run this thing |
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| 21:22 | <abrotman> | shouldn't you ask babilen ? |
| 21:23 | <sret> | ok i ran the script |
| 21:23 | <sret> | it just talks diagnostics |
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| 21:24 | <abrotman> | well .. aren't you having a problem? |
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| 21:26 | <sret> | it lists a bunch of commands, dmesg, lspci, etc, we've been through this, what doi need the info script for? |
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| 21:27 | <sret> | ok alsa information uploaded |
| 21:28 | <sret> | is that it? |
| 21:28 | <abrotman> | uploaded? |
| 21:28 | <drone77> | you could say the location of this mystical upload |
| 21:28 | * | dvs watches abrotman answer in questions |
| 21:28 | <sret> | http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=833c7e08b4181da3329be4219fb32e021211e6c7 |
| 21:29 | <abrotman> | dvs: eh? |
| 21:30 | <drone77> | sret: alsamixer -c 1 doesn't work? |
| 21:30 | <sret> | nope |
| 21:30 | <sret> | thats what one of the guys in alsa on freenode said to do |
| 21:30 | <dvs> | heh |
| 21:31 | <babilen> | intel is still the default card |
| 21:32 | <sret> | yeah lspci said that too |
| 21:32 | <drone77> | yes, but it should still allow access to the other one |
| 21:32 | <babilen> | yes |
| 21:33 | <sret> | i read on the alsa docs though that if you wished for it to start the USB external speaker then you have to modify it or something |
| 21:33 | <babilen> | well, /me tired (2:30) -- good nite. |
| 21:33 | <drone77> | sret: have you rebooted since your prior fiddling (or at least undone absolutely everything)? |
| 21:34 | <sret> | no javent rebooted |
| 21:34 | <sret> | i dont know what the correct settings are to even see if a reboot will work |
| 21:35 | <sret> | gnome has its own version of sound settings |
| 21:35 | <sret> | even if alsa was ocnfigured right, what about gnome? |
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| 21:35 | <drone77> | worth a shot i guess? if it's being strange and not allowing access for alsamixer -c 1 even though it's clearly listed as the 1 |
| 21:35 | <sret> | in the gnome conf editor, the default mixer is alsa |
| 21:35 | <drone77> | hmm, dunno - don't use it, you could try not starting gnome and check? |
| 21:36 | <sret> | how doi check without starting gnome? |
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| 21:36 | <drone77> | go to a terminal (ctrl+alt+f1) |
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| 21:37 | <drone77> | after killing gnome |
| 21:37 | <sret> | wait, wouodnt that shut off gdm? |
| 21:37 | <drone77> | i don't know about gnome as i say, although i wouldn't have thought it would cause a problem |
| 21:37 | <sret> | ok here it goes |
| 21:37 | <drone77> | gdm is still on ctrl+alt+f7 then, but you can kill it if you like |
| 21:38 | <sret> | ok im in Vt1 |
| 21:38 | <sret> | now what/ |
| 21:38 | <drone77> | killed gnome? |
| 21:38 | <sret> | yeah |
| 21:38 | <sret> | killed gdm |
| 21:38 | <drone77> | dunno, try alsamixer |
| 21:39 | <sret> | its at HDA intel, chip realtek ALC662 rev1 |
| 21:39 | <drone77> | i was thinking after a reboot (or reload the associated modules) so gnome can't grab them, if it does.. |
| 21:39 | <drone77> | and f6 shows nothing in alsamixer? |
| 21:39 | <drone77> | *nothing else? |
| 21:39 | <sret> | f6 doesnt change anything |
| 21:40 | <sret> | i had to do alsamixer -c 1 again to get it back to USB |
| 21:40 | <drone77> | i thought you said alsamixer -c 1 didn't work |
| 21:40 | <sret> | i tried aplay usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 21:41 | <sret> | it says Playing waveblabla.. signed 16 bit little endian, 48000hz, mono |
| 21:41 | <sret> | but i hear nothing |
| 21:41 | <drone77> | try speaker-test |
| 21:41 | <sret> | playback device is default |
| 21:41 | <sret> | and outputs a bunch of stuff regarding buffer, and then the time period |
| 21:42 | <sret> | Front left front left |
| 21:42 | <drone77> | any noise? |
| 21:42 | <sret> | nope |
| 21:42 | <drone77> | speaker-test --device hw:1 |
| 21:42 | <sret> | YES |
| 21:42 | <drone77> | anything noise-wise? |
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| 21:42 | <sret> | got noise in the USB speakers |
| 21:42 | <sret> | ! |
| 21:43 | <drone77> | out of interest - i thought you said alsamixer -c 1 didn't work earlier? |
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| 21:43 | <sret> | so i need to set my default to USB? |
| 21:43 | <sret> | drone77: it didnt as in if i typed alsamixer -c 1 it would set it to USB but if i typed alsamixer again, it went back to HDA itel |
| 21:43 | <sret> | i guess if i switch without the options, it goes back to default.. |
| 21:44 | <drone77> | zzz |
| 21:44 | <drone77> | yes |
| 21:44 | <drone77> | i thought the issue was the speakers didn't work.. |
| 21:44 | <sret> | na na the speakers work jut fine |
| 21:44 | <sret> | its getting sound |
| 21:44 | <sret> | i couldnt get sound playing youtube or anything |
| 21:44 | <drone77> | you are setting them to default that's the issue? or just any noise? |
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| 21:45 | <sret> | if i did speaker-test default:hw:1 |
| 21:45 | <sret> | i get that white noise, like the alsa docs say |
| 21:45 | <yoshio> | drone77: he said that in system->preferences->sound, the sound test works in Gnome, but aplay and youtube doesn't give audio |
| 21:45 | <sret> | yoshio: yeah |
| 21:45 | <drone77> | ah yes, i never bothered fiddling with it to get it set to default - instead i have an extra 3.5mm jack to connect the intel hda device to the speakers (you need it to default for flash [yewtube] to use it) |
| 21:46 | <sret> | yoshio: and then it stopped working for that too |
| 21:46 | <drone77> | yoshio: i wasn't here then, asked and got confused |
| 21:46 | <sret> | drone77: how to set it to defualt now |
| 21:46 | <sret> | im still in VT1 |
| 21:48 | <drone77> | another ball game, i did it once, there were some instructions on ubuntu forums iirc |
| 21:49 | <sret> | ok atleast sound works |
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| 21:49 | <drone77> | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=559219 |
| 21:49 | <drone77> | try that, bottom post |
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| 21:49 | <sret> | alright will do in the morning im glad it works atleast |
| 21:49 | <sret> | :D |
| 21:49 | <sret> | thanks |
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| 21:50 | <drone77> | if you want the buttons look up xbindkeys |
| 21:50 | <babilen> | drone77: It is explained on the debian wiki under troubleshooting -- i gave you the link earlier |
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| 21:50 | <drone77> | babilen: i thought you were off to bed ;) |
| 21:50 | <babilen> | i'm off active support |
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| 21:51 | <drone77> | babilen: alright, i'll look, ta |
| 21:51 | <drone77> | sret: no problem |
| 21:51 | <babilen> | i meant sret actually :) |
| 21:52 | <babilen> | it's always the same thing -- hence my first question is "cat /proc/asound/cards" |
| 21:52 | <babilen> | and then off to the wiki, configure modules, set default and basta ... |
| 21:53 | <drone77> | my fix (that works fine i might add) to make it default was an extra cable, so it applies to me also |
| 21:54 | <babilen> | the one on the wiki describes it for two "normal" cards -- not sure if it is applicable for USB thingies as well. You might actually need an asound config file .. |
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| 21:56 | <drone77> | well looking at my /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf there is a line specifically stating "Prevent USB from being loaded as first soundcard" |
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| 21:56 | <drone77> | so fixing it, cheers for prompting me to get off my arse |
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| 21:57 | <babilen> | hehe |
| 21:57 | * | abrotman thought babilen was going to bed? |
| 21:58 | <babilen> | gah, I just can't watch this ;) |
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| 22:00 | <yoshio> | sret: gstreamer-properties allows you to choose between alsa/oss also |
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| 22:04 | <babilen> | nooooo |
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| 22:04 | <sret> | just wanted to thakn everyone |
| 22:04 | <sret> | :F |
| 22:04 | <sret> | :D |
| 22:04 | <babilen> | :E |
| 22:05 | * | dvs doesn't want to be thakn |
| 22:05 | <sret> | i'll work on the default thing in the morning, wife is a bit pissed i spent like few hrs here on a weekend in front of a computer:P |
| 22:05 | <babilen> | no wonder -- get a laptop and snuggle up with her ;) |
| 22:06 | <sret> | wow totally weird |
| 22:06 | <sret> | i just tried from the terminal speaker-test --device hw:1 |
| 22:06 | <sret> | i get a bunch of errors about PCM |
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| 22:07 | <sret> | this is from the terminal running in GDM |
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| 22:07 | <drone77> | sodoff |
| 22:08 | <sret> | is that because i didnt set it as default yet or a possible GDM issue? |
| 22:08 | <sret> | yoshio: i have that |
| 22:10 | <yoshio> | sret: speaker-test default:hw:1 |
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| 22:11 | <sret> | getting errors running that with GDM on |
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| 22:38 | <twb> | I'm running debmirror against mirror.internode.on.net::ubuntu/dists/lucid/ and mirror.internode.on.net::debian/dists/testing/, and it's successfully fetching the Contents files of the latter, but not the former. |
| 22:38 | <twb> | As you can see, both HAVE the Contents files for me to fetch -- anyone want to help me work out what's going wrong? |
| 22:39 | <twb> | http://paste.debian.net/105493/ is the script |
| 22:39 | <twb> | http://paste.debian.net/105494/ is the typescript |
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| 22:52 | <sret> | drone77: i set 0 to USB |
| 22:52 | <sret> | :D |
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| 22:55 | <drone77> | sret: cool |
| 22:55 | <drone77> | hope all goes according to plan, did you resolve the GDM thing? |
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| 23:00 | <sret> | drone77: |
| 23:00 | <sret> | I GOT IT WORKING |
| 23:00 | <sret> | guys thanks a bunch!!! |
| 23:00 | <sret> | i remoced snd_intel |
| 23:01 | <sret> | for the time being i had it removed, it picked up my USB as 0 and modified the asoundrc file as Alsa says, friggin works!!1 finally!!!!!!! thanksss |
| 23:01 | <sret> | drone77: what about the GDM thing? yeah it works in gdm, outside gdm anywhere:P |
| 23:03 | <sret> | fucking works, ok time to sleep:D |
| 23:03 | <sret> | thanks all |
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| 23:09 | <drone77> | sret: night |
| 23:09 | <yoshio> | sret: you can blacklist the snd_intel i you don't need it |
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| 23:14 | <asd> | vv |
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| 23:20 | <edbian> | Is there something similar to the janitor utility in ubuntu here in Debian? |
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| 23:23 | <GetsomeSON> | hello what server would i join to get help with WEP key hacking? |
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| 23:25 | <GetsomeSON> | is anyone here |
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| 23:29 | <amphi> | edbian: what is the 'janitor utility'? |
| 23:30 | <edbian> | amphi, It cleans up things like temp files and such. If I knew exactly what it did I would just do those things manually |
| 23:31 | <amphi> | if you don't know what it does, why do you want it? ;) |
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| 23:38 | <simonrvn> | edbian: tmpreaper? |
| 23:39 | <edbian> | amphi, I want to investigate it ;) |
| 23:39 | <edbian> | simonrvn, I'll look at that |
| 23:40 | <simonrvn> | there's also some other one, less specific, can't recall the name right now |
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| 23:40 | <simonrvn> | !wb streuner_ |
| 23:40 | <dpkg> | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! streuner_ has returned! |
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| 23:41 | <babilen> | edbian: bleachbit ftw ;) |
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| 23:41 | <edbian> | babilen, I'll look at that too |
| 23:42 | <faheem> | is it still the case that the report doesn't get automatically subscribed to a Debian bts? That used to be so. |
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| 23:46 | <simonrvn> | er? report*er* you mean maybe? |
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| 23:48 | <faheem> | simonrvn: reporter, yes. sorry. |
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| 23:49 | <simonrvn> | dunno. i was always under the impression i was subbed to the bug itself. |
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| 23:54 | <faheem> | simonrvn: checking bugs.debian.org for the bugs.debian.org package gives for example http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=575227 |
| 23:54 | <faheem> | and nothing else that looks relevant. |
| 23:56 | <faheem> | See also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=362710 |
| 23:56 | <faheem> | simonrvn: this at least used to not be the case |
| 23:57 | <ananth123> | how do i find out which version of opengl is being used by the nouveau driver? i cannot see any opengl string in the /var/log/Xorg.log |
| 23:57 | <simonrvn> | somehow got borked.. |
| 23:58 | <simonrvn> | ananth123: try glxinfo |
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| --- | Log | closed Mon Jan 24 00:00:40 2011 |