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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-01-24

---Logopened Mon Jan 24 00:00:40 2011
00:01<ananth123>simonrvn: can you tell me which package has glxinfo ?
00:01<simonrvn>!search
00:01<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <debtags>.
00:02<faheem>ananth123: if installed, use dpkg -S or dlocate. if not installed use apt-file or a web search eg at packages.debian.org
00:02<ananth123>found it, mesa-utils.... thanks :)
00:03<ananth123>i didnt know about apt-cache
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00:06<faheem>ananth123: that just searches the package description, not the contents
00:06<faheem>ananth123: in this case you want dlocate or apt-file probably
00:06<faheem>or do a web search
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00:07<ananth123>hmm i did a web search but didnt find it... thats why i asked here.... but apt-cache search glxinfo gave me mesa-utils.... and after installing it, the program works
00:07<faheem>ananth123: packages.debian.org would give it to you
00:08<ananth123>ok, will remember that. thanks again. :)
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00:12<simonrvn>that's what <pdo> means:
00:12<simonrvn>!pdo
00:12<dpkg>http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/ in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/
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00:16<faheem>!help find glxinfo
00:16<faheem>!help find
00:17<faheem>what does '<help find> (bot)' mean?
00:18<faheem>!bot help
00:18<dpkg>Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>.
00:18<yoshio>,file glxinfo
00:18<judd>glxinfo in lenny/i386: mesa-utils: usr/bin/glxinfo
00:18<faheem>!msg the bot
00:18<dpkg>Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help>. Browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/
00:20<faheem>,file slrn
00:20<judd>slrn in lenny/i386: slrn: etc/cron.weekly/slrn, etc/default/slrn, etc/network/if-up.d/slrn, etc/ppp/ip-up.d/slrn, usr/bin/slrn, usr/share/menu/slrn; cruft: usr/lib/cruft/filters-unex/slrn; zsh-beta: usr/share/zsh-beta/functions/Completion/Unix/_slrn; zsh: usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/Unix/_slrn; aide-common: usr/share/aide/config/aide/aide.conf.d/31_aide_slrn; fvwm-crystal: usr/share/fvwm-
00:20<judd>crystal/fvwm/Applications/Network/7~News/10~slrn~slrn
00:20<yoshio>,versions mesa-utils
00:20<judd>Package mesa-utils on i386 -- etch: 6.3.2-2.1; lenny: 7.0.3-7; sid: 7.7.1-4; squeeze: 7.7.1-4; experimental: 8.0.1-1
00:20<faheem>funny, ',file slrn' doesn't work if i msg
00:21<ananth123>any idea why installing the nvidia drivers is downgrading gcc from 4.5 to 4.3 ?
00:21<ananth123>4.4.5
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00:23<faheem>ananth123: compile the sources
00:23<faheem>!nvidia
00:23<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
00:23<faheem>!nvidia m-a
00:23<dpkg>[nvidia m-a] For Lenny and Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia-kernel". After successful module compilation, "aptitude install nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig && nvidia-xconfig -o /etc/X11/xorg.conf". See also <nvidia>, <nvidia dkms>.
00:23<ananth123>faheem: my question is different :)
00:24<faheem>ananth123: how so?
00:24<yoshio>faheem, you would message judd: file slrn
00:24<faheem>yoshio: oh, different bot?
00:24<yoshio>ananth123, apt-cache policy nvidia
00:25<faheem>is that what the comma is for?
00:25<ananth123>im asking why is it installing gcc 4.3 instead of using gcc 4.4.5, which is a later version ?
00:25<faheem>ananth123: is what installing gcc 4.3?
00:26<ananth123>when i ran, m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel command, it download gcc 4.3
00:26<ananth123>but i already have gcc 4.4.5
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00:27<faheem>ananth123: probably what the kernel is compiled with?
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00:27<faheem>ananth123: what kernel are you running?
00:27<ananth123>2.6.32-5-amd64
00:29<faheem>ananth123: cat /proc/version
00:29<faheem>I'm running 2.6.32-5-vserver-686-bigmem. I get (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) )
00:29<faheem>so yes. older version
00:30<ananth123>ah ok...i get it now :)
00:30<chealer>ananth123: it is not downgrading, it is just installing an earlier version.
00:30<ananth123>yes, understood
00:30<ananth123>thanks all
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01:03<user_>почему все на англиском
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01:03<user_>болтают
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01:04<user_>люди почему все на англиском болтают
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01:04<jm_>!ru
01:04<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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01:11<jester54>i have a 2 MB/s connection to a remote machine that i would like to run some sort of remote X on. would vnc or a plain remote X session be better (security is not a problem)
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01:11<kudu>!ru
01:11<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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01:13<jm_>jester54: probably best to try them both, you can always switch to freenx if it's too slow
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01:26<jester54>yea, i was hoping someone tried it before me
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02:46<madrid>hola buenossss dia
02:46<madrid>amigos de linux
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02:46<richard>_!_
02:47<madrid>zizizizizizi
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03:01<yoshio>!es
03:01<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
03:02<ljtirazona>Hi guys
03:02<ljtirazona>I've got a question
03:02<ljtirazona>we're deciding on whether or not to buy an IBM x3550 m3 server or not
03:03<ljtirazona>my main concern is that it has a broadcom NIC, that works out of the box with Debian Lenny, right?
03:03<sney>many do, but some require firmware
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03:03<sney>generally speaking, the older the NIC the more likely it is to work
03:04<sney>and you'd need the actual chip model number or pci id to know for sure
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03:05<ljtirazona>If I got the chip model number, where would be a great website to look that up?
03:05<sney>google? wiki.debian.org has listings for the more common stuff
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03:06<sney>generally you can google the model number and 'linux' and figure out whether it's natively supported pretty quickly
03:06<ljtirazona>sweet
03:06<ljtirazona>okay I'll try that
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03:07<sney>lenny's kernel is 2.6.26. Squeeze, which will be released in under 2 weeks, uses 2.6.32.
03:07<sney>native support is usually added during some version development so you'll see stuff like "supported after 2.6.27" etc
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03:10<yoshio>!pciid
03:10<dpkg>The PCI-Id helps us work out how to support your PCI hardware. It looks like [abcd:1234] in the output of "lspci -nn". Ask the bot "judd" to match the PCI-Id of the device, e.g. "/msg judd pciid 8086:284b". Some hardware uses alternate means of detection: beware of some false positives+negatives. See also <judd-hardware>, <local pciid>. To find out what currently installed kernel modules your hardware is using, run "lspci -k".
03:10<sney>of course, if he doesn't have the hardware yet, finding the pci id may be more trouble than it's worth
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03:13<ljtirazona>I'm still trying to find the NIC model
03:13<ljtirazona>But it's IBM, right? Don't they like have a reputation for making sure that the stuff they make is linux compatible?
03:13<sney>somewhat
03:13<sney>but they've slipped in the past so you can't just trust them 100%
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03:14<sney>intel NICs are generally foolproof though. especially the wired ones.
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03:16<yoshio>!broadcom
03:16<dpkg>Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>. For Ethernet chipset support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>.
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03:25<yoshio>ljtirazona, http://reviews.cnet.com/soho-servers/ibm-system-x3550-m3/4507-3125_7-34076376.html says Broadcom BCM5709C
03:26<yoshio>!bnx2
03:26<dpkg>[bnx2] The driver for Broadcom NetXtreme II 1Gb (BCM5706/5708/5709/5716) NIC chipsets. Firmware from userspace is required since linux-2.6 2.6.24-7; ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-bnx2 package to provide. If required, ask me about <installer firmware> to provide bnx2 firmware files for device use at Debian installation time. See also <bcm5716>, <bnx2x>.
03:27<sney>well there you have it. it works, but is slightly annoying due to firmware.
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03:28<ljtirazona>Oh..
03:28<ljtirazona>We'll just go for the other model with the hassle-free Intel NIC :p
03:29<ljtirazona>Thanks guys
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03:33<yoshio>http://www-947.ibm.com/support/entry/portal/sdd/Hardware/Systems/System_x/System_x3550_M3?brand=5000008&key=5310498&osKey=0%3Ca%20href= -- they support RHEL and SLES at least
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03:34<ljtirazona>!intel
03:34<dpkg>Intel Corporation is a semiconductor manufacturer. For support of wireless LAN chipsets, ask me about <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>. For support of Ethernet chipsets, ask me about <e100>, <e1000>, <e1000e>, <igb>, <ixgbe>. For support of WiMAX devices, ask me about <i2400m-usb>. For support of integrated graphics chipsets, ask me about <intel-gfx>. See also <ia64>, <speedstep>.
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03:35<ljtirazona>!igb
03:35<dpkg>[igb] driver for Intel gigabit Ethernet chipsets, forked from <e1000>. Added to mainline Linux kernel in 2.6.25 (initially supporting 82575), 82576 supported since Linux 2.6.27. 82576 support was backported and enabled at linux-2.6 2.6.26-21, ask me about <5.0.4>. Driver can alternatively be built out-of-tree using sources from http://sf.net/projects/e1000/files/igb%20stable/ . See also <ixgbe>.
03:35<ljtirazona>This bot is pretty cool
03:35<ljtirazona>Kudos to the programmer(s)
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03:36<yoshio>dpkg: who owns you
03:36<dpkg>dondelelcaro does
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03:41<ljtirazona>Lol
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03:44<ljtirazona>dkpg: who's your daddy
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03:48<sergey>Я недавно установил Debian. Вопрос: как установить Adobe Flesh player с полноэкранным режимом.
03:48<Torsten_W>!ru
03:48<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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03:49<sergey>SenK!!
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04:17<peter007>hi
04:17<sonic>hola
04:17<sonic>hablan español?
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04:17<peter007>english
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04:26<Rojas>hola
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04:26<themill>!ubuntu-es Rojas
04:26<dpkg>Rojas: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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04:30<saulo>Hello! I'm unable to disable ipb6 on kernel 2.6.37
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04:31<saulo>oooops, i back soon
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04:37<saulo>I'm back. Already added "disable_ipv6=1" to kernel line. Added "alias net-pf-10 off" and "alias ipv6 off" to modprobe aliases,conf
04:37<nadir>you know the little how-to at forums.debian.net?
04:37<saulo>but "cat /proc/net/if_inet6" returns "00000000000000000000000000000001 01 80 10 80 lo"
04:38<saulo>nadir: I've tried this: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6#Insqueeze
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04:39<themill>!noipv6
04:39<dpkg>[noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
04:39<nadir>wait a sec for the link, i can't tell you more then the link.
04:40<nadir>it is not related to a 37-kernel. just what came to my mind:
04:40<nadir>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=45271
04:40<nadir>good luck.
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04:41<saulo>themill: tried this too: cat /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf returns "install ipv6 /bin/true"
04:42<themill>you're not running lenny. or at least, that's not a lenny kernel.
04:42<themill>saulo: where did this kernel come from?
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04:45<saulo>themill: experimental. better compatibility with my hardware. I'm running testing. kbuild package compiled like described at debian wiki.
04:46<saulo>nadir: the link is opened, trying and back to confirm
04:46<themill>saulo: if you're building your own kernel, then disable ipv6 at build time.
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04:48<saulo>themill: how can I do this with the .deb packages at experimental? (low experience with debian way to install kernels :( )
04:48<themill>what dpkg said *should* work for the newer kernels too
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04:49<saulo>ok. I'm doing a new system restart to a new test with sysctl and back to confirm :)
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04:51<tristan3199>i have a problem booting up... im pretty new to debian.. i get a system recovery console at boot.. i boot passed the bios, fstab, but just as im about to see the login i get this menu..
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04:51<tristan3199>anyone familiar with what is not loading correctly to get my x up and running..
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04:56<tristan3199>nobody huh..
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04:56<nadir>startx
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04:56<nadir>what happens?
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04:57<jthill>"menu"?
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05:00<tristan3199>nadir: jthill: should i list the options on the recovery menu,
05:01<nadir>sure, to get the idea what it might be.
05:01<jthill>I've seen X fail before, it just drops me into the console login
05:01<tristan3199>i could reboot and write them down.. but its basically a list of about six things like check memory, fix boot setup(witch does nothing) and boot to command
05:02<tristan3199>jthill: i can get to the console and type what i choose.. so i type startx and i can boot into root
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05:03<tristan3199>but i want to boot into my user login again..
05:03<tristan3199>how do i boot into a user using console
05:03<tristan3199>can i type a command to initiate a boot login like backtrack..
05:04<jthill>So your shell prompt is a (probably bare) '#'?
05:04<tristan3199>yes a bare #
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05:04<tristan3199>after i choose the right option from a recovery console i dont know the perpose of..
05:05<jthill>did you make multiple partitions? I'm trying to find where the boot sequence failed
05:05<tristan3199>jthill: yes.. i have three, four if you count swap
05:06<jthill>ok, what's df say?
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05:06<tristan3199>sorry.. df?
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05:06<jthill>as a command
05:06<jthill>"display filesystems"
05:07<jthill>it should list all of yours
05:08<tristan3199>/dev/sda6, tmpfs, varrun, varlock, udev, tmpfs, /dev/sda5, /dev/sda1...
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05:08<tristan3199>i have a main partition, a backtrack4 partition, and a storage partition, plus swap
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05:09<jthill>so they're all showing up as mounted then?
05:09<tristan3199>i booted into backtrack because its easier, but can boot into root only in my main partition
05:09<tristan3199>yes. all mounted
05:09<jthill>don't know backtrack, are you in that now?
05:10<tristan3199>yes, its basically bare bones kde
05:10<jthill>so, you have two OS's?
05:10<tristan3199>yes..
05:11<tristan3199>my main os has 100 gb.. this one only 14
05:11<jthill>ok .. and the other os is debian?
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05:11<jthill>!tell tristan3199 about backtrack
05:12<tristan3199>its ubuntu :( should i fix it
05:12<jthill>are you having problems booting ubuntu too?
05:13<tristan3199>just ubuntu
05:13<jthill>but you're in backtrack now?
05:14<jthill>!tell tristan3199 about ubuntu
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05:14<tristan3199>i have changed it alot tho.. added kde, and xfce, to gnome..
05:15<tristan3199>i am using backtrack now tho
05:15<tristan3199>should i switch to ubuntu as root or stick with my alternate partition..
05:16<tristan3199>i think the real problem is that its not loading something it should be..
05:16<jthill>sounds to me like they're both broken, it's up to you which one you want to get working first
05:16<jthill>both ubuntu and backtrack have their own channels, with people who know how they're set up
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05:18<tristan3199>no advice than? any ideas what i need to look at to figure out what is missing
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05:19<jm_>talk to the channel that's used to support your distribution, #debian doesn't seem to be it
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05:19<tristan3199>thank you guys... sorry to waste any time
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05:20<tristan3199>hoping you would have an idea what to look at to fix my system because ubuntu didnt seem to have any useful advice
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05:20<jthill>you could try ##linux
05:20<tristan3199>doesnt help that i dont know exactly what the problem is...
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05:21<jthill>that's a freenode channel
05:21<jm_>well if it ever worked you would need to find out what has changed
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05:22<tristan3199>i installed something called ubuntu tweek... it has a tab that shows startup programs.. i saw doubles and unchecked the extras.. turns out they wernt extra after all i guess
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05:23<tristan3199>so i think i commented a line of code i need in one of the startup files..
05:23<jthill>mmm. take all defaults until you know what you're doing is the lesson there.
05:23<tristan3199>i only know of fstab.. what else is looked at during the boot
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05:23<sergey>Please need- instaled flashh player for DEBIAN
05:24<jthill>for that, there's google and the manuals.
05:24<tristan3199>could you give me an idea what files are loaded during the boot except ect/fstab
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05:24<jm_>sergey: http://wiki.debian.org/Flash
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05:25<jm_>http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer if you want adobe one
05:25<jthill>I'm sorry, but (a) that differs by distro, (b) there's a bunch, and (c) you're very new to unix in general. I don't think this is going to help you.
05:26<sergey>Senk JM!
05:26<jthill>fstab.
05:26<jthill>did you change /etc/fstab?
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05:28<tristan3199>thank you for the honesty jthill:
05:28<tristan3199>and i didnt chang fstab.. but rather one of the things loading shortly after
05:28<tristan3199>i see about a screenfull of text before i hit my error
05:29<tristan3199>and with enough attention i may be able to read all of it.. but i know it refreshes my screen about a third of the way into it..
05:30<jthill>ok, I'm thinking if you can't find someone to spend a lot of time on this your best option is to reinstall -- you've got /home separate, right? no prob
05:30<tristan3199>what do you mean by separate?
05:31<tristan3199>i know where it is.. thats all..
05:31<jthill>on its own partition
05:31<jthill>one thing:
05:31<tristan3199>should i put it on its own partition and reinstall.... also how much room should i give it..
05:31<jthill>try 'touch asdflkjasldfjk' <--made up arbitrary name
05:33<tristan3199>with backtrack loaded??
05:33<tristan3199>or root in ubuntu
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05:33<tristan3199>because it just came back with another # and no info
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05:33<jthill>let's pick one. I don't care. I'm trying to find if your root partition is bad.
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05:34<jthill>ok, you're at the root prompt somewhere. try touching some made-up name
05:34<jthill># touch foo
05:35<tristan3199>well typing dir. i see i am in the /home folder on my backtrack partition
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05:36<jthill>"dir"?
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05:37<jthill>who'd'a thunk. there's a "dir" command in unix. GNU even wrote it.
05:37<jthill>ok.
05:37<jthill># cd /
05:38<jthill># touch foo
05:38<jthill># mount
05:38<tristan3199>i dont understand touch.. it just returns with no text
05:38<tristan3199>but i did as you said
05:39<jthill>ok, it didn't error
05:39<jthill>it made whatever file you named
05:39<jthill>you can rm it
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05:39<jthill>what's "mount" say?
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05:40<tristan3199>more discriptive fs... shows 12 lines
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05:40<tristan3199>can i post or will that flood
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05:40<rmrfchik>pastebin
05:40<tristan3199>pastebin it is.
05:41<willemb>Can I trust that http://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages?format=txt.gz will always contain all packages in stable?
05:41<jthill>you can pastebin?
05:42<jthill>now I'm all curious, how are you going to copy from a text-mode console into a pastebin? there've been times I'd have kissed smelly toes for that
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05:42<tristan3199>http://pastebin.com/63qYLpNH
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05:42<tristan3199>smelly toes... uwww
05:43<tristan3199>mine are clean.. but may be kissed.. lol
05:43<tristan3199>jk
05:43<willemb>jthill: apt-cache show pastebinit
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05:44<themill>willemb: I assume that list doesn't include packages from security.debian.org
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05:45<willemb>themill: or for backports :-(
05:45<themill>of course not
05:45<jthill>willemb: I kiss your smelly toes!
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05:45<themill>!wayttd willemb
05:45<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, willemb?
05:46<willemb>Let met explain it as simple as possible:
05:46<willemb>Hey you, 1300 servers with packages from stable, backports, security and our own internal repository, please tell me which packages are installed and outdated!
05:46<jthill>tristan3199: looks like your fs's all mounted ok, so I think it's off to distro-specific-land time
05:47<willemb>dpkg: I have puppet and mcollective, so that helps.
05:47<dpkg>no idea, willemb
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05:47<tristan3199>anyone heard of this "recovery console"...
05:47<jthill>why you baiting dpkg?
05:48<jthill>!flw
05:48<dpkg>* westside has run sid since day one | <westside> I run apt-get in cron nightly
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05:48<jthill>!flw
05:48<themill>willemb: "aptitude search ~u" and "aptitude search ~o" might be of interest.
05:49<willemb>problem is that I cannot trust that aptitude update has run recently\
05:49<themill>willemb: stable doesn't change that often. You can subscribe to DSAs so you know when a security update has actually been pushed out.
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05:50<tristan3199>oh no.. i cant send to ##linux on freenode
05:50<willemb>themill: that is where I am at now. Problem is to pull an ad-hoc report of what version is installed at the moment, so that, if a machine happens to be down while I do the upgrade run of a specific package, I can catch it next time
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05:51<themill>tristan3199: you need to be a registered user (identified to nickserv)
05:51<tristan3199>"/nick"
05:51<tristan3199>?
05:51<themill>tristan3199: on freenode, /msg nickserv help register
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05:53<themill>willemb: is it necessary to upgrade specific packages as opposed to just letting apt do an upgrade of whatever is available? Perhaps pointing your machines at a local custom repo and having them blindly accept everything on that mirror would be best. Then your only problem is feeding the right versions of packages to the mirror.
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06:10<pharm>Just updated my squeeze-based box this morning, and now auth is failing for ordinary users. Can't log in over ssh. Anyone else seeing this?
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06:10<pharm>(It included a libc update IIRC)
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06:16<willemb>themill: problem is, i am not allowed to willy-nilly upgrade critical services like exim and apache without letting the business know to expect a service reload
06:16<willemb>and if aptitude is broken for some arb reason, I need to be able to see where upgrades failed
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06:17<willemb>so what I really need is a 'hey you, give me a list of all packages installed, and their version numbers.' then I can compare it to my local list
06:17<willemb>but it needs to be done in such a way that it will be easy to repeat the process on 1300 servers, over the internet
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06:32<knoppix_>hola
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06:49<ansgar>willemb: Maybe you are looking for dpkg -l (or dpkg-query --show for a more machine-readable version).
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07:30<Habbie>hello; if a package i install specifies a path-based interest trigger, and i then remove/purge this package, the trigger stays in /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/File. is this intended behaviour?
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07:33<babilen>Habbie: which package is that?
07:34<Habbie>it's called openpanel-core - it's not part of Debian; my question is about dpkg basically :)
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07:34<Habbie>if there is another more appropriate channel for dpkg questions, please let me know
07:34<babilen>I don't think that this is intended behaviour as (purged) packages should remove everything they've installed.
07:35<Habbie>i thought the same way
07:35<Habbie>which suggests dpkg is buggy
07:35<Habbie>but i'd like to find a reference
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07:35<babilen>Habbie: No, I would rather assume that the package is buggy. I am not trigger expert though and refer you to: http://lists.debian.org/debian-dpkg/2007/04/msg00076.html and the debian-dpkg mailing list
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07:36<Habbie>i read that document; given that triggers are not explicitly installed by a package but merely mentioned in debian/openpanel-core.triggers, i can't think of what we are doing wrong (but i'm not discounting the possibility)
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07:38<babilen>Habbie: http://www.seanius.net/blog/2009/09/dpkg-triggers-howto/ -- is it your package and do you consider fixing it?
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07:39<babilen>Habbie: #debian-mentors is a channel to discuss packaging related questions. Do you plan to have that package included in Debian?
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07:39<Habbie>babilen, plan - no. hope - perhaps. i could swing by there
07:39<Habbie>it is my package and i do intend to fix it, yes
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07:40<Habbie>but given that you feel the same way as me and my coworkers about how this is not intended behaviour
07:40<Habbie>i will first spend time reproducing the issue
07:41<babilen>Habbie: I hope you figure it out and find a sponsor eventually. May you have a nice day! (And sorry for my lack of dpkg-trigger-fu, but -mentors will have that)
07:41<Habbie>thanks :)
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07:50<zlatan>what is the chacel for tomorrow confernce
07:50<zlatan>chanel
07:51<babilen>which conference?
07:51<zlatan>for the debconf
07:52<zlatan>found it
07:52<zlatan>:)
07:52<babilen>ah, which channel is it?
07:53<zlatan>#debconf-team
07:53<babilen>zlatan: #debconf comes to mind as well
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07:53<Habbie>babilen, on a sidenote, the debian 5 'menu' package exhibits the same issue
07:54<babilen>Habbie: I would suggest to discuss the issue in #d-mentors and file a bug against menu if this is indeed unwanted and "buggy" behaviour.
07:54<Habbie>i have brought it up in #d-mentors; waiting for a response there :)
07:54<Habbie>thanks again
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07:55<babilen>Habbie: I've seen it :)
07:56<Habbie>ah ;)
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07:56<Habbie>sorry, didn't notice you in there ;)
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07:59<raph_ael>hi i got a udevd not found at boot though when i have the initramfs shell, it's present in /sbin but i can't launch it
07:59<raph_ael>after upgrading from lenny to squeeze
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08:02<babilen>knubbze: apt-file search -x "bin/host$" → bind9-host → enable "deb-src" line in /etc/apt/sources.list (/msg dpkg deb-src) → mkdir foo ; cd foo → apt-get source bind9-host → PROFIT!
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08:02<babilen>uh, ECHAN
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08:05<mok>hello there
08:05<mok>^^
08:05<sret>morning all
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08:05<Guest1467>morning
08:05<sret>yoshio: i did add snd_intel8x0 to the blacklist
08:05<sret>:P
08:05<sret>jm_: hi
08:05<sret>:D
08:05<Guest1467>im from indonesia
08:05<sret>ok
08:06<Guest1467>nic to meet you all
08:06<Guest1467>nice to meet you all
08:06<@Ganneff>this is no chat channel. do you have a debian support question?
08:06<@Ganneff>if not try #debian-offtopic or #moocows please
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08:07<Guest1467>does anyone here use backtrack 4 ??
08:08<@Ganneff>!bt
08:08<dpkg>i guess bt is Bhutan, or <bluetooth>, or British Telecom, or <bittorrent>, or <BackTrack>.
08:08<@Ganneff>!backtrack
08:08<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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08:09<Guest1467>ok thanks all.. i'll go offline now ^^
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08:22<free_the_node>was like copying a bunch of avi's to my data partition "mv SOURCE*avi TARGET". In the middle of the operation there was written "skbuff alloc of size 3904 failed" but the move operation seems to have succeeded. Any idea?
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08:34<quant>hi, if I remove a source from sources.list that was used to install a certain package, will that somehow mess things if I later want to remove that package or do something to dependencies, please?
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08:34<devil>no.
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08:35<quant>and if I add it later again, will the system recognize it as the initial source of that package and continue updating from it etc.?
08:35<devil>but you cannot upgrade it
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08:35<devil>after running apt-get update, yes
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08:36<quant>great, thanks... I was adding contrib and non-free and was messing around a bit with that, so that's why I ask (I added it, removed it because I thought I did it wrong, etc.)
08:37<devil>quant: you can leave contrib and nonfree inb there, it does no harm
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08:37<devil>its not a source itself
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08:37<quant>I did, but I added it as a separate line initially, then I thought it was wrong (which it wasn't), so I just added "contrib non-free" to every line in the default sources.list now
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08:38<devil>ok, to 'every line' is probably unneccessary, but does not hurt
08:39<quant>hm, can I paste it here for you to see or should I use a web service?
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08:39<devil>please use http://paste.debian.net
08:40<quant>http://paste.debian.net/105526
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08:42<quant>devil, does that look ok?
08:43<devil>quant: line 1 can be commented out with a #. lines 6 and 7 do not need contrib non-free
08:43<quant>I was hoping you'd say that about the cdrom line... it's a pain to insert a cd each update
08:44<quant>if you can please help me understand the purpose of the security,debian.org entries - aren't updates delivered through ftp.debian.org, why is there a separate line for security? are those security lines only there?
08:44<cybercaffe><cybercaffe> IS THERE ANY DISTRO OF LINUX WITH BUILD IN KISMET?
08:45<quant>security updates*
08:45<cybercaffe>cant install kismet
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08:45<weasel>quant: security updates are provided via security.debian.org. every now and then (i.e. whenever there is a point release), these udpates get copied over to ftp.debian.org, integrated into new CDs, etc.
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08:45<devil>cybercaffe: cant install is no error message
08:47<quant>thanks weasel and devil
08:47<devil>cybercaffe: and i could install it if i needed it
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08:47<cybercaffe>error in my mind
08:48<cybercaffe>need complete distro wil kismet prewinstalled
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08:50<nasutix>cybercaffe: apt-get install kismet?
08:50<devil>cybercaffe: backtrack might have it
08:51<quant>when squeeze becomes stable and the new testing arises, can I switch to new testing simply by changing "squeeze" to "testing" in sources.list?
08:52<themill>quant: the period of time just after a new release is generally a good time *not* to be running testing.
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08:52<devil>quant: if you can live with the echo, yes :)
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08:52<quant>I was planning to perhaps do it around 4-6 months after, I just wanted to ask if that's how it's done :)
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09:01<quant>one more thing, please, in case my local country mirrors are offline, can I add some redundant sources in the sources.list? how does one go about in that case?
09:02<nasutix>quant: which country?
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09:02<quant>nasutix, croatia
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09:03<nasutix>you could change the hr to si
09:03<devil>quant: apt-cache show apt-spy
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09:04<weasel>quant: you could just list two sources in your sources.list
09:04<weasel>quant: usually apt will download from the first
09:04<weasel>failure modes might not be all that good tho.
09:04<quant>ok, thanks all
09:04<quant>failure modes? :)
09:04<babilen>quant: And apart from themill's remark I would suggest to use "wheezy" instead of "testing"
09:05<quant>babilen, it's set to squeeze at the moment
09:05<weasel>quant: 'if the first mirror fails you might not like all the error messages'
09:05<weasel>quant: it's still a good solution for mirrors that don't always update correctly/fast enough
09:06<babilen>quant: Yes, sure. Did I misunderstand you? I thought you planned to upgrade to the next "testing" version 4 to 6 months after squeeze has been released. I merely suggested to use "wheezy" instead of "testing" in your sources.list
09:07<quant>babilen, ah, right, thanks
09:08<quant>afaik, croatian mirrors are working well, was just asking in case they're down some day
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09:09<quant>have a nice day, all, see you later and I might be able to help out someone else too ;-)
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09:09<AgentC>Hello!
09:10<AgentC>my xwindow does not start anymore and I dont know where the error is, can anybody assists me to solve the problem ?
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09:15<AgentC>on starting xorg, video is initialized correctly, but when the loginprompt shall be displayed, xorg shutdowns without any errormessage in xorg.log
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09:16<devil>AgentC: is your partition full maybe? check with df -h
09:17<AgentC>last i know is i tried to compile a newer version of gtk but failed on compiling, and today i installed some updatepackages, no it does not startup anymore. (devil: disk is ok)
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09:18<devil>AgentC: did you check the disk NOW?
09:18<AgentC>starting manually xinit, it prompts a shell, but startx fails on startup the loginmanager
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09:18<AgentC>devil: only 30% used
09:19<devil>AgentC: using gnome?
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09:21<AgentC>devil: yes
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09:21<AgentC>devil: there is also a kde installed, but default is gnome
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09:22<devil>AgentC: i dont know much about it but i guess you could move .gnome out of the way and restart X
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09:22<devil>well, there is no X in your case to restart :)
09:22<babilen>AgentC: Please ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log → paste.debian.net
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09:23<devil>Xorg.0.log has no errors, if we believe the user.
09:23<AgentC>no (EE) entries in xorg.log
09:23<babilen>AgentC: Also try starting X from a console (alt-ctrl-f1) by executing "X :42 & sleep 3 ; xterm"
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09:24<AgentC>if I make a xinit and triing to start gnome-wm manually, i get messages like g_object_get_qdata assertion G_IS_OBJECT failed
09:26<AgentC>i took a look to xsession-errors, there are messages: GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_get_qdata: assertion ....
09:27<AgentC>and a message: Pango:ERROR:pangofc-fontmap.c ....
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09:27<babilen>AgentC: No paste? Could you start X from the console?
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09:27<AgentC>babilen: moment
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09:28<cuitlub>ha
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09:28<babilen>ha?
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09:30<babilen>AgentC: ARGH!! Please don't paste it into a /query. http://paste.debian.net
09:30<babilen>!tell AgentC about apste
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09:30<babilen>!tell AgentC about paste
09:30<babilen>AgentC: You might also want to try logging in as user and not root
09:31<babilen>AgentC: But well, could you start X from the console?
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09:33<AgentC>http://paste.debian.net/105530/
09:33<AgentC>i can startx from console, but after video-init it auto. shutdown
09:33<babilen>AgentC: Try
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09:34<babilen>"X :42 & sleep 3 ; DISPLAY=:42 xterm"
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09:34<babilen>And what does "after video-init it auto. shutdown" mean?
09:34<AgentC>when i just "X" then xorg comes up without any windowmanager or shell
09:35<babilen>AgentC: So the command I gave you works?
09:35<babilen>AgentC: Try logging in as your user -- try Gnome and another window manager
09:35<AgentC>xorg starts up (startx), but when the no login comes up, instead xorg crashs.
09:35*babilen → :-Q
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09:36<AgentC>I think, there is any lib broken, dont know which one
09:37<AgentC>what libs are neccessary for gdm?
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09:39<AgentC>xorg.log : http://paste.debian.net/105532/
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09:41<AgentC>seems to be a problem of gdm and gnome, cause xorg-server itself is working correctly
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09:42<devil>AgentC: did you mv .gnome out of the way to see if the prob is in there?
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09:45<AgentC>last i did was triing to compile a playstation2 emulator, was neccessary to compile newer libs of glib, gtk, pango, wxwidgets, thats some days ago, this error i saw first today as i tried to reboot my machine
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09:45<devil>well, you messed it up good
09:45<devil>and you tend not to answer questions :)
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09:46<AgentC>devil: mom. i am looking
09:47<devil>like i said before, you could also try to start kde
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09:48<AgentC>devil: i tried to mv the .gnome cfg out, but still same error
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09:49<devil>ok, then you can revert the move.
09:50<AgentC>what packetname is for wxwidgets? i should try to reinstall, maybe the libs are broken through my own compile
09:50<AgentC>same for glib and gtk
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09:52<devil>apt-cache search helps weith that. i gotta run
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09:54<babilen>AgentC: You probably (hopefully!) installed the libs to /usr/local -- shouldn't be that much work to remove them from there. Do you use gdm3 or gdm?
09:55<babilen>Also: Which Debian release do you use?
09:55<ladoga>AgentC: you might try to reinstall wx and gtk related libs
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09:56<AgentC>babilen: lenny8, i think its gdm
09:56<AgentC>babilen: std-install
09:57<babilen>Ok, what about gdm3 vs gdm and the your method of library installation?
09:58<babilen>ah, probably no gdm3 for you (lenny)
09:58<babilen>what does "ldd /usr/sbin/gdm" give you?
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10:01<AgentC>babilen: http://paste.debian.net/105536/
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10:03<babilen>AgentC: It is most likely your locally compiled libraries -- I would remove or unstow them (/msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage) and try with the original Debian libs -- "apt-file search libname.so"
10:05<AgentC>i have no app named "apt-file"
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10:13<AgentC>babilen: i've to make a break for max. 1 hour, see you later. you can contact me on "http://mitlab.de", my vps
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10:14<AgentC>babilen: without gnome i cant read my email, so email at client01@mitlab.de should work
10:15<Paulo3432>Hi, I'd like to output a list of all currently not installed packages (they are visible in Synaptic for example) using only shell commands. How do I do this?
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10:19<babilen>!tell AgentC -about installit
10:19<rpetre>Paulo3432: aptitude search '!~i'
10:21<Paulo3432>is impossible to do only with apt-get and / or dpkg?
10:21*babilen refines that to: aptitude -F '%100p' search '!~i'
10:21<babilen>Paulo3432: why is that an requirement?
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10:22<babilen>s/an/a
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10:22<Paulo3432>was not simple curiosity ... I do not know whether aptitude is installed by default...
10:23<Paulo3432>was simple curiosity ... I do not know whether aptitude is installed by default...
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10:26<faheem>Paulo3432: it's priority important so usually yes.
10:26<faheem>Paulo3432: see the debian policy manual
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10:26<faheem>Paulo3432: and what are you trying to do exactly?
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10:30<babilen>Paulo3432: dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; (get all installed packages) -- apt-cache pkgname (list *all* packages) -- remove former from latter
10:30<babilen>Paulo3432: But come up with something yourself -- I recommend aptitude
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10:33<Paulo3432>Thanks to all ... I'll see what use of the two solutions...
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10:41<Hada>hola
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10:43<slix>how to remove the old version of GLib
10:44<babilen>slix: Which version? And why would you want to remove glib?
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10:50<slix>I installed from source glib-2.24.2. I need to install from source atk-1.30.0. after. / configure
10:50<slix>wrote
10:50<slix>checking for GLIB - version> = 2.0.0 ...
10:50<slix>*** 'Pkg-config - modversion glib-2.0' returned 2.24.2, but GLIB (2.16.6)
10:50<slix>*** Was found! If pkg-config was correct, then it is best
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10:54<babilen>slix: Where did you install it?
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10:54<babilen>,versions libglib2.0-dev
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10:54<judd>Package libglib2.0-dev on i386 -- etch: 2.12.4-2+etch1; etch-security: 2.12.4-2+etch1; lenny-security: 2.16.6-1+lenny1; lenny: 2.16.6-3; lenny-backports: 2.22.4-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.24.2-1; squeeze: 2.24.2-1; experimental: 2.27.91-1
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10:55<babilen>slix: I would actually recommend to upgrade to squeeze
10:55<babilen>!squeeze release notes
10:55<dpkg>A draft of the squeeze release notes can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes and will be periodically updated as the release notes are finalised. See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <i-g>, <install squeeze>, <firmware images>.
10:55<babilen>slix: The procedure is explained in great depth in the release notes ^^^^
10:56<free_the_node>does kismet offer some functionality that wireshark does not?
10:56<babilen>slix: Or do you have a problem with that? I don't think it is a good idea to just install glib 2.24 and remove the 2.16 because a lot of applications on your system are compiled against 2.16
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10:57<drone77>free_the_node: do you know what they each are?
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10:59<babilen>,versions libatk1.0-0
10:59<judd>Package libatk1.0-0 on i386 -- etch: 1.12.4-3; lenny: 1.22.0-1; lenny-backports: 1.30.0-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.30.0-1; squeeze: 1.30.0-1; experimental: 1.32.0-2
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10:59<D>me lio a ostias
10:59<babilen>slix: Or just install libatk from lenny-backports if that is the only reason ... What are you *really* trying to do?
10:59<harry>hey
10:59<babilen>ho!
10:59<D>Olaa¿
11:00<D>Babilen hijo putaaaa
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11:00<babilen>!es
11:00<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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11:00<D>No
11:00<sret>goddamn sound, not working again
11:00<free_the_node>drone77 no, can you tell me?
11:00<sret>for my browser
11:00<D>hey so sister
11:00<babilen>sret: :)
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11:00<drone77>free_the_node: if you don't know what they are then why do you want to use them...
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11:01<D>hello
11:01<D>holla
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11:01<D>sas
11:01<sret>hi babilen
11:01<D>as
11:01<D>as
11:01<D>as
11:01<harry>hi
11:01<babilen>D: Do you have a Debian related question?
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11:01<sret>drone77: no sound for browser again
11:01<sret>lol
11:01<sret>if i do speaker-test, errors out in gdm
11:01<drone77>sret mine works ;)
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11:01<AgentC>babilen: I'am back. needed to get some fuel. ;)
11:02<drone77>babilen: he (D) insulted you ^
11:02<babilen>drone77: I am aware of that.
11:02<free_the_node>drone77 it was irony... I ask about functionality one tool got over another and you ask me what they are in general...
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11:02<drone77>free_the_node: ok fine. aptitude show kismet wireshark
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11:03<sret>drone77: im getting some weird pcm error
11:03<drone77>sret: hmm alsa reload
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11:03<sret>sound works overall, just not in the browser and speaker-tests fails
11:03<free_the_node>drone77 thanks, that command would never had come to my mind :)
11:03<sret>drone77: how do i do that
11:03<drone77>free_the_node: no problem
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11:04<sret>http://paste.debian.net/105540/
11:04<sret>thats the error i get doing a speaker-test
11:04<drone77>sret wait so _right now_ does sound work in gnome
11:04<sret>drone77: yes
11:04<sret>just not in the terminal and in the browser
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11:05<sret>if i open apps, etc it has a clicking sound, if i do the test sound, it works
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11:06<AgentC>babilen: btw. is there somewhere a format-description of seamonkeys mailarchive-index files? I've coded an util to extract mails from sm-archives, but for correct filepos. indexing i should scan the index-files...
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11:07<drone77>sret it says Unknown PCM hw:0,0
11:07<sret>how come i didnt get no error yday and today it does?
11:07<sret>the pcm hw:0,0 is what i used from the alsa link on alsa.conf
11:07<sret>sorry alsa-base
11:08<drone77>cat /proc/asound/cards
11:08<drone77>sret didn't you try setting it default last night?
11:08<sret>drone77: yeah i did
11:08<sret>i had to modify .asoundrc
11:08<sret>and add the pcm default settings
11:09<drone77>what did you change. all i did to set mine default was: edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf and have options snd-usb-audio index=0
11:09<drone77>that was _all_ no fiddling with other things
11:10<sret>drone77: right i modified to the extent wwere
11:10<sret>i had to add two lines on top under autoloader aliases
11:10<drone77>sret did you cat /proc/asound/cards ?
11:10<drone77>just say if it lists z10
11:11<sret>drone77: yeah i only see my USB audio Z-10
11:11<D>xD
11:11<D>ax
11:11<D>s
11:11<D>dc
11:11<sret>snd_hda_intel has been added to the/modprobe.d/ blacklist
11:11<D>xd
11:11<D>xd
11:11<D>xd
11:11<D>x
11:11<D>dx
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11:12<drone77>sret speaker-test
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11:12<drone77>assuming cat of that previous says Z10 is 0
11:13<sret>mine says 0 too
11:13<babilen>AgentC: I don't know -- ask in a seamonkey/mozilla related channel (probably on freenode / irc.mozilla.org)
11:13<free_the_node>lol? the newest kismet version in the official debian repos is from 2008? no experimental version? ...
11:13<drone77>so does speaker-test work? without any options, just as i wrote it
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11:13<sret>errors
11:14<sret>playback open error: -16 device or resource busy
11:14<drone77>ok so alsa reload
11:14<drone77>(that is the command)
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11:14<drone77>what PIDs does it show on the first line
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11:15<drone77>that it says are using it
11:15<sret>i should do a "alsa reload"
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11:15<sret>?
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11:15<AgentC>babilen: when i try to install apt-file i get the message: cant get http://secirity.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz
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11:15<drone77>sret yes
11:15<babilen>AgentC: typo "security" vs "secirity"
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11:16<drone77>free_the_node: yes that is correct http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kismet&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search
11:16<AgentC>babilen: sorry, that was just irc-typo
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11:17<themill>AgentC: security.d.o doesn't contain the contents list and doesn't really need them, given that the packages are the same as the ones in the main archive just with the odd bug fix applied
11:17<sret>http://paste.debian.net/105543
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11:17<drone77>sret yeah kill those two PIDs
11:17<drone77>then try again
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11:18<drone77>sret kill 3413 4039
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11:19<babilen>sret: I would consider removing esd in its entirety
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11:22<sret>god the alsa channel sucks
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11:22<sret>babilen: you might want to ignore that place
11:22<sret>i accidentally pasted more than 13 clines and im called a troll, among other things
11:22<sret>and then they ignore
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11:22<babilen>you pasted in the channel?
11:23<sret>to make sure i didnt paste it, i first pasted it into the debian paste bin
11:23<sret>but the guy kept repeated;ly saying paste if its not more than 10 lines
11:23<sret>and so i finally did
11:23<sret>and now he gives me shit
11:23<sret>so told them to fuck off and left the place
11:23<babilen>*sigh*
11:23<sret>either they talk and give utter bullshit answers or this is what happens from what i witnessed since yday
11:23<babilen>!comfort sret
11:23<dpkg>There, there, sret. It's OK. I'm here for you.
11:23<sret>babilen: i was asked to paste in the channel
11:24<sret>he wanted me to do a speaker-test and the ooutput was huge, so i used the pastebin
11:24<sret>he wanted me to paste a one line from cat proc/asound/.cards too
11:24<drone77>sret did you do what i said?
11:24<sret>i typed it out but he kept insisting i paste it
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11:24<sret>ok back
11:24<babilen>Yes, I understood that. Don't mind. Relax now and concentrate on your problem.
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11:25<sret>drone77: how do i kill those, i dont see the pid there
11:25<sret>alsa just reloaded and that was it
11:25<drone77>sret kill 3413 4039
11:25<drone77>ah alsa reloaded without error?
11:25<cahoot>pkill is good to know
11:26<sret>yes no errors
11:26<AgentC>babilen: i reinstalled libglib2.0 libpango1.0 libatk1.0 libgtk2.0 , but same problem. another change was on wxwidgets, but i dunno what that lib is exactly for
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11:27<sret>drone77: i reloaded alsa and reloaded my volume control, tried speaker-test, no sound
11:27<sret>i get no errors but there's no sound
11:27<AgentC>babilen: on starting wx-config --list it tells about default gtk2-ansi-release-2.8 is that correctly?
11:27<cahoot>sret: run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0
11:27<babilen>AgentC: Just uninstall your locally installed stuff in /usr/local -- "make uninstall" might just work. Use <stow> the next time to ease the task -- /msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage
11:27<babilen>AgentC: How should I know?
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11:28<AgentC>babilen: i setted it up in /usr/src dunno where the installer put the files
11:29<babilen>AgentC: I already told you that you can easily install libatk 1.30 from backports -- you should just revert to the state you had previously (backups?) or uninstall/remove all the manually compiled libs and install libatk from backports. Why do you want to do that? What is your ultimate goal?
11:31<sret>drone77: ok alsa card reset
11:31<babilen>AgentC: Well, you ran "./configure --prefix=/foo/bar" or not? (hopefully --prefix=/usr/local) If not, it depends on the default location. Typically the default is /usr/local but some upstreams do not adhere to that convention)
11:31<AgentC>AgentC: i checked which "ldd" / libs are in what package and made a reinstall, but no effect; gdm does not startup
11:31<sret>drone77: oh god we're back to the defualt setttings now, i see my HDA intel
11:31<drone77>sret don't worry
11:32<sret>ok..
11:32<AgentC>babilen: UNINSTALL worked, xorg&gnome coming up!! :-))
11:32<sret>i reset it, what do i do next?
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11:32<babilen>AgentC: You should have a bunch of stuff in /usr/local which you might want to remove -- The easiest way is to run "make uninstall" in the directory from which you "make install"ed the software. Such a make target might be available. If not, you'll have to delete the files manually
11:32<babilen>AgentC: surprise!
11:32<drone77>sret in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf change the options snd-usb-audio index=-2 to a 0
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11:33<sret>i dont have an alsa-base.conf
11:33<drone77>sound then
11:33<sret>oh wait
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11:34<AgentC>babilen: im using linux only since middle of last year, before i was using windows, and earlier amiga-os. definitly the better system, but i have not so much experience after some month. in this case i have to learn much.
11:34<sret>you meant alsa-base
11:34<sret>not alsa-base.conf?
11:34<drone77>on my system it's /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
11:35<sret>drone77: did you see the alsa-conf file i pasted? i modified the options and on top you can see i modified autoloader aliases too
11:35<babilen>AgentC: Yes. No problem with that. Hence my question: What are you *really* trying to do?
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11:35<drone77>sret: link it again, i've lost it
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11:36<babilen>AgentC: I would recommend not to install software manually and if you really have to, to make sure that you install it to /usr/local. A tool called "stow" makes that quite easy and clearly seperates all your different local installations.
11:36<babilen>!tell AgentC -about reference
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11:36<babilen>!tell AgentC -about fhs
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11:37<sret>drone77: ok lets do from where you said i have options snd-usb-audio index=0
11:37<sret>but its commented
11:37<drone77>what file is this in?
11:37<babilen>AgentC: You might want to read that. The former is the closest thing Debian has to a manual and the latter explains what all the /etc /usr /var /home /usr/local directories are about
11:37<sret>and i have #options snd-usb-usx2y index=-2
11:38<sret>drone77: in etc/modprobe.d/alsa-conf
11:38<sret>sorry /alsa-base
11:38<drone77>sret can you link me to the pastebin again please?
11:38<sret>ok
11:39<sret>http://paste.debian.net/105546
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11:39<sret>if you look at the top under autoloader aliases, i modified line 2 and line 3. those were added
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11:39<babilen>sret: Just a side-note. When you arrived here yesterday I asked you about "cat /proc/asound/cards" first and pointed out the troubleshooting section of Alsa on the Debian wiki, which explains exactly the "which card is the default one?" probem and how to fix it. Good to see that you are finally working on that :) (hope the wife doesn't mind as well)
11:40<sret>babilen: yeah i wentby alsa's wiki and i got sound working after i modified the asoundrc file to default 0 untl this morning.. no browser sound
11:40<drone77>sret remove/undo your changes
11:40<sret>thanks:P
11:40<babilen>And good that drone77 actually has one of those speakers so you have some kind of reference implementation to compare against although your version of Debian differs ;)
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11:41<AgentC>babilen: i was triing to compile the pcsx2 playstation2 emulator, but that requires some libaries in other version then debian-std, so i tried to compile them without knowing that other systemparts crashs through this. the binary-version of the pcsx2 brings up errormessages in case of wxwidgets
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11:41<babilen>AgentC: Ah, see that is something I can work with. :)
11:41<drone77>babilen: also you prompted me to get mine default, which is even better ;)
11:42<sret>drone77: ok done,
11:42<drone77>sret and on 190 uncomment it
11:42<sret>i remoced the two lines under option which were commented and the top
11:42<AgentC>babilen: the windows version of that emulator is too slow on the 1.8ghz machine, on linux i've a 3.2ghz dualcore would be enough but i do not get it up to start.
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11:43<sret>drone77: done what about the second one? #options snd-usb-usx2y index =-2?
11:43<drone77>ignore for now i have no idea what snd-usb-usx2y is
11:43<babilen>AgentC: yes, I understand. Unfortunately pcsx2 has not yet been packaged for Debian and noone seems to be interested in doing that. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464794
11:43<drone77>sret but the -2 is just preventing it grabbing device location
11:44<sret>drone77: btw i modified etc/modprobe.d/blacklist too
11:44<AgentC>babilen: the coders say linux-version is buggy but should run. i think pcsx2 depends on a good 3d gfx-card, i dont know if this requirement is given by my machine
11:44<sret>i added blacklist snd_intel8x0
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11:44<drone77>sret that should be fine - assuming that's your intel driver, mine is snd-hda-intel, so whatever
11:45<drone77>sret now alsa reload
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11:45<gernot>Hi. A while ago I read something about a little program for managing software in /usr/local. It was basically an alternative method to checkinstall (worked without building packages). Now I can't remember its name. Does somebody know what I'm talking about?
11:45<sret>i get a warning, process using firefox-bin 4451, 4762 mixer-applet
11:46<drone77>sret kill/close those
11:46<drone77>sret don't reopen them
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11:46<babilen>AgentC: It looks as if pcsx2 needs newer versions of libraries than those that have been backported to Lenny. Given that Squeeze (the next Debian release) will be released soonish (february 5/6 is expected) I would recommend to upgrade to Squeeze. The process is detailed in the release notes. Would that be an acceptable option?
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11:47<sret>the mixer-applet is my volume control, it asks me if i should reload it or dont reload?
11:47<drone77>no
11:47<sret>drone77: ok alsa reloaded no warnings
11:47<drone77>sret cat /proc/asound/cards again and if z10 is in 0 then speaker-test
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11:48<sret>there is no z-10 at all
11:48<sret>just HDA intel
11:48<sret>irq22
11:48<drone77>ok
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11:49<babilen>gernot: It is called "stow" -- /msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage -- and it is great ;)
11:49<AgentC>babilen: i think so, im not in hurry with ps2 ;) also i saw that "testing" have newer version on gnome-panel / sys-settings. could be a good update! 8=)
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11:49<gernot>babilen, yes, that's it! Thanks!
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11:50<sret>drone77: i removed the USB audio and reocnnected it, still nothing
11:50<drone77>sret i think you blacklisted the wrong thing
11:50<sret>no i did it right, thats how i had it working yday
11:50<sret>snd_intel8x0 is my HDa intel card
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11:51<drone77>so what we'll do is: add a line to alsa-base options snd-hda-intel index=-2
11:51<babilen>AgentC: Ok, I'll give you some links soon. But coffee+cigarettes first! (I drink coffee before I go to bed so I can dream faster!)
11:52<drone77>then alsa reload and speaker-test again
11:52<sret>yes works
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11:52<sret>speaker-test works :D
11:52<drone77>so try iceweasel
11:52<babilen>AgentC: ah, what the hell -- http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes -- the upgrade is detailed in there. If you have questions or are unsure about certain things, let us/me know and *ask first* before bruning down the house ;)
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11:52<drone77>(firefox)
11:52<sret>ah now it sees z10
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11:53<sret>drone77: you the man!
11:53<sret>:D
11:53<drone77>yeah, your hda was grabbing the device 0 location
11:53<sret>yeah thats because
11:53<sret>i modified /asoundrc
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11:53<sret>as alsa wiki told me to, i had to add a pcm default hw:0 there
11:53<sret>want to see?
11:53<babilen>sret, drone77: btw:
11:54<babilen>,info g15daemon
11:54<judd>Package g15daemon (utils, extra) in lenny/i386: Screen multiplexer for Logitech G15 Keyboard. Version: 1.9.5.3-3; Size: 37.7k; Installed: 200k; Homepage: http://www.g15tools.com/
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11:54<drone77>babilen: yep, have my time on it
11:54<babilen>sret, drone77: I read that ^^^ works with the display on your speaker
11:54<sret>babilen: i dont use a logitech keyboard though
11:54<sret>ohh
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11:55<sret>yeah my display doesnt show the time, interesting
11:55<sret>i'll get to it later:P thanks
11:55<drone77>sret install what he mentioned it does it magic
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11:55<babilen>sret: I haven't really looked into it, just stumbled over that yesterday and wanted to let you know. I understood that it provides some kind of support for the LCD display -- check yourself
11:55<sret>babilen: will do thanks dude:D
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11:55<sret>drone77: should i remove that pcm default stuff in asoundrc?
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11:55<drone77>sret i don't have it
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11:56<sret>http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/.asoundrc#A_brief_example.
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11:56<AgentC>babilen: ;) i saved the link for later. my server is a hp compaq with gfx-card internaly : 8291G/GV GMCH (intel 915G/GV GMCH) ... would that be enough for the PS2 emulator ? how can i check how much video-mem is present on card?
11:56<drone77>just remove it link is tl;dr
11:57<sret>drone77: what do you mean?
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11:57<drone77>too long didn't read
11:58<drone77>;)
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11:58<AgentC>babilen: ups; in specification it seems that the gfxcontroler uses system memory for video.
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11:58<sret>drone77: interestingly i get sound from the browser now but when i open apps and stuff, no sound
11:58<sret>i used to get that before
11:58<AgentC>babilen: dont know exactly
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11:59<drone77>sret is that because you have to configure those apps?
11:59<vargas>www.elchino_daddy@hotmail.com
11:59<sret>drone77: also my volume control is not there, we had to kill mixer-applet remembver?
11:59<sret>how do i get it back
11:59<babilen>AgentC: Can't tell you if that suffices. What do you mean by "server"?
11:59<drone77>sret (as a guess, i don't use that) /etc/init.d/mixer-applet ? or something
11:59<sret>drone77: nope just if i open a browser window, it gives a clicking sound or say i opened my terminal, it gives a sound like launching an app
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12:00<sret>drone77: the volume control on the top right corner of your screen
12:00<drone77>sret weird
12:00<sret>to control volume, we killed it and its not there now
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12:00<AgentC>babilen: intern@myhome that machines serves an archive by samba and an apache webserver, later there shall be a ftpserv for customers.
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12:00<drone77>yeah try looking in /etc/init.d for something related
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12:00<vargas_>hola
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12:01<babilen>AgentC: Uh, I would wait with the upgrade then until squeeze has been officially released and security support that deserves the name "Debian stable" is in place :)
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12:01<AgentC>babilen: you can access by devkit.gotdns.com ; webIF is more for internal administration then webpresence
12:02<sret>drone77: no such file or dir
12:02<babilen>AgentC: why do need a ps2 simulator on that machine? (just curious) (moin btw)
12:02<drone77>sret that was a guss
12:02<AgentC>babilen: rest of webpresence is made on a VPS at mitlab.de
12:03<drone77>sret which mixer-applet
12:03<AgentC>babilen: ;=) ps2 just for fun ;) my other machines are too slow for such 3d-realtime calculations
12:03<babilen>AgentC: ugh, auto-music + geocities ;)
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12:04<drone77>sret which gnome-mixer-applet maybe? ask someone else running gnome, they can help you
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12:05<sret>drone77: we killed the mixer-applet process
12:05<sret>that was basiclaly the volume control
12:05<babilen>AgentC: I see -- well, I would definitely wait until squeeze has been released. (and turn of the music, write/get/buy a decent CSS somewhere -- there are millions of free styles)
12:05<AgentC>babilen: geocities??? hae?? automsx jep, but only for short time. (more a test) ;) but whats about geocities!? never used that.
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12:06<drone77>sret: i know, as i say use the which command
12:06<drone77>to find it
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12:08<drone77>or sod it, restart gnome if you can't find it is my only suggestion
12:08<babilen>AgentC: I meant the style of your page. Geocities was a web hosting service in the late nineties/early noughties -- not available anymore and only mentioned to refer to the typical style of pages hosted on geocities
12:08<sret>drone77: you mean ctrl alt f1?
12:09<drone77>babilen: do you run gnome? (if i remember correctly)
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12:10<drone77>sret log out and in?
12:11<babilen>drone77: no i don't
12:11<sret>ok
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12:12<drone77>babilen: sorry
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12:12<sret>drone77: i logeed out and logged in and system sounds started to work, speaker-test failed
12:12<AgentC>babilen: i see, no that was the first time I had to do with PHP/HTML, so i looked to existing scripts to realize something usable ;-) could be better ;)
12:12<sret>device or resource busy
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12:13<drone77>Zzz i give up
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12:14<gruetzkopf>debian squeeze + nintendo wii = fun, but there is the problem that the newest wii kernel build aviable doesn't include any files except the kernel.elf...
12:14<AgentC>babilen: within 4 month i had to do with 3 more languages : perl / php / java ... but it works ;) sendsms.pl by webIF :=) mitlab.de/main.php?action=sendsms
12:14<sret>drone77: this is weird
12:14<gruetzkopf>no modules...
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12:14<sret>i reloaded alsa and killed the esd process and reloaded it again and it works
12:14<sret>lol
12:15<sret>drone77: apparently not, browser wont work
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12:16<drone77>sret: i give up
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12:16<sret>drone77: you said to reload alsa and is there anything else i need to do?
12:16<drone77>sret sodding audio is a pita
12:16<sret>cat proc lists my z10
12:16<drone77>sret if there is a problem with reloading alsa then you need to kill the process
12:16<drone77>that is disallowing the reload
12:17<drone77>then try again
12:17<sret>i reloaded alsa and killed the process then reloaded it
12:17<sret>and did a speaker-test it worked
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12:17<sret>but i dont get sound in my browser now
12:17<drone77>yeah check the /proc/asound/cards then
12:17<sret>i did z-10 is listed
12:18<drone77>i think the issue is that the driver is being captured by the other application so the browser can't access it
12:18<sret>drone77: why is it speaker-test works from #
12:18<sret>and not from $
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12:19<sret>if i do it as user i get unknown PCM default errpors, like the first time you saw
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12:19<sret>sret is in the audio grou
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12:19<drone77>mine works fine as a user
12:19<sret>for me speaker-test doesnt work as a user, as root it does
12:20<AgentC>babilen: btw: did you saw my own electronicprojects in section "ENTWICKLUNG" on my page?
12:20<drone77>sret sorry i have to get working now
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12:20<sret>ok
12:20<drone77>sret good luck
12:20<sret>the alsa channel sucks, not going back there, im lost
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12:21<drone77>as i say the problem is that the driver is being captured by the other application so the browser can't access it, i don't know how to fix that, maybe someone else does
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12:21<drone77>the user vs root i don't know either
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12:21<drone77>ciao
12:21<sret>no sound howeever, in the browser
12:21<sret>later, thanks
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12:24<sret>totally frustrated with this damn thing
12:25*AgentC tells: this is the place for crazy people. i do not really coming from outer space. ;-)
12:26<gruetzkopf>someone out there who has 2.6.32 on powerpc?
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12:27<babilen>gruetzkopf: #debianppc
12:27<retrospectacus>!tell sret -about alsa checklist
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12:27<babilen>retrospectacus: covered that a long time ago :)
12:27<retrospectacus>ok just jumped in and didn't see it :)
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12:28<babilen>retrospectacus: sret has been at it the whole night yesterday (at least 5 hours)
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12:28<retrospectacus>poor padwan
12:29<sret>retrospectacus: allof that works
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12:29<sret>in root
12:29<sret>i get no sound in the system > preferences > sound
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12:29<sret>speaker test works just fine in root
12:30<retrospectacus>is your user in the audio group?
12:30<sret>yeah
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12:30<babilen>sret: You use lenny don't you?
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12:31<sret>yeah
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12:32<retrospectacus>sret: what ezactly does not work as regular user? from the checklist
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12:33<AgentC>babilen: may be interessting for you: www.globalspec.com - engineering search engine with newsletter. very interessting articles in case of research
12:33<babilen>Hmm, I would recommend to upgrade to squeeze, install pulseaudio, place http://paste.debian.net/105547/ in /etc/asound.conf and use, for example, pavucontrol to set (per application) volume levels. But
12:33<babilen>AgentC: I am a computational linguist, not an engineer
12:34<AgentC>babilen: sorry
12:34<sret>retrospectacus: as of now no browser sound
12:34<sret>no system sound, no volume anywhere
12:34<babilen>sret: ^^^ But ... you could also run the alsa-info script again and work on it with retrospectacus (show us the output)
12:34<sret>if i do a cat proc/asound/cards/ i see my USB z-10 as the default 0
12:35<babilen>sret: What happened in the meantime? Didn't it just work 10 minutes ago?
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12:35<sret>babilen: it worked yday just perfect until this morning
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12:36<sret>this morning all i got was system sound and no sound in the browser, and now i get nothing
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12:36<AgentC>what is pulseaudio? soundserver? can u stream radios with that?
12:36<sret>awhile ago we gotsome sound from the browser tweaking it like drone77 said but i logged out and relogged in and no browser sound either now
12:36<sret>only thing that works is speaker-test and stuff in root
12:37<babilen>!tell AgentC -about pulseaudio
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12:37<babilen>sret: Did you have a ~/.asoundrc before that? Do you have now?
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12:38<sret> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=6eae3ac79eb199e907bebad9f6f20a7c2c909c44
12:39<sret>babilen: yeah i do
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12:39<babilen>AgentC: BTW -- no problem, if I were an engineer that would have been interesting.
12:39<free_the_node>am I wrong or is Iceweasel 3.6 of the experimental repo quite unstable?
12:39<sret>babilen: that file is empty
12:39<babilen>sret: snd-hda-intel: index=0 and snd-hda-intel: index=-2 in there
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12:40<sret>babilen: that goees in etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
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12:40<babilen>sret: Which on is actually the default? (/proc/asound/cards -- aplay -l)
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12:40<sret>what default?
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12:40<sret>by asoundrc file is empty, all the toptions stuff is in /alsa-base
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12:41<babilen>sret: You have *both* of them listed in there -- run 'grep -re "snd-hda-intel" /etc/modprobe.d/'
12:41<mororo>Hello I have a big problem with PHP on my server. I updated the packages and the time it does not work where my php file downloads php code, including English, sorry for her because I can not use Google
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12:42<mororo>If you are interested there is no link Update Process http://pastebin.com/mAy6fpSy
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12:43<babilen>mororo: How have you upgraded? Is the php module enabled? (a2enmod php5) ...
12:43<sret>babilen: i cant make sense of the output but i see a bunch of them everywhere
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12:43<babilen>sret: show me
12:43<retrospectacus>mororo: your apache2 conf is missing php handler somewhere. check: grep -ri php /etc/apache2/
12:43<global_>Hi
12:43<global_>:]
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12:44<global_>I forgot my question, be back later.
12:44<global_>Is it possible to give a 'virtual
12:44<mororo>retrospectacus: Sorry I do not know how I find it to update the link I sent
12:44<babilen>retrospectacus: a2enmod should take care of that and is the preferred way to enable apache modules
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12:44<sret>http://paste.debian.net/105557
12:44<mororo>no to babilen
12:44<babilen>mororo: why no?
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12:45<global_>Sorry, is it possible to give a virtual 'shell' when connected via ssh. Say the user 'rabbit' connects, i want to give him a dir like '/f/rabbit' and that would be his 'root'
12:45<retrospectacus>mororo: iirc php is disabled in userdir by default after an upgrade
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12:45<AgentC>babilen: (btw) news about electrical components, medical equipment, aerospace, nanotech and so on, interessted thing what i found are small batteries on nanotech (like smd) but high power, i just wanted to let you know, thats the place for hightech. :-)
12:46<mororo>retrospectacus return command : http://pastebin.com/hNGQWKVm
12:46<retrospectacus>global_: there are many options for that kind of thing, what are you really trying to do?
12:46<global_>Create a virtual root, simulate a brand new envirement
12:46<mororo>retrospectacus I do not use IRC
12:46<global_>For users to get to know of being root, and for fun.
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12:47<babilen>global_: Look into "chrooting ssh" -- you might also be interested in "honeypots" (e.g. honeyd)
12:47<retrospectacus>global_: you may look into chroot or full-on server virtualization
12:47<global_>k
12:47<mororo>retrospectacus I know that she would probably ask a pretty stupid but how do I then allow this?
12:48<sret>babilen: what do i do next
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12:48<sret>my USB speakers are set at 0 which means it should be picked up
12:48<babilen>sret: You have conflicting setting in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base and /etc/modprobe.d/sound -- (options snd-hda-intel index=-2 vs options snd-hda-intel index=0)
12:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 486] by debhelper
12:49<retrospectacus>mororo: You do not appear to be using userdir. userdir is like http://something/~mororo/test.php (the ~mororo meaning a file in that users home, not the web root) and php can be disabled for that
12:49<sret>babilen: that could be but when i do a cat /proc/asound/cards : default 0 device is my USB speaker
12:50<sret>so in /sound i chnage optionssnd-hda-intel index=1?
12:50<sret>in the /sound file there is only just 2 lines there
12:50<babilen>sret: And I don't think that you should actually have the /etc/modprobe.d/sound file (at least i couldn't find it in any package in lenny) -- where is it from? have you installed other alsa related package from third party sources or from different debian releases?
12:51<sret>alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel and options snd-hda-intel index=0
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12:51<sret>no
12:51<babilen>sret: Ah, that might be.
12:51<sret>just alsa-utils, alsa-oss and alsa-base
12:51<babilen>You don't want snd-hda-intel to have index 0!
12:51<sret>so put it as 1?
12:51<retrospectacus>mororo: sorry I cannot see anything wrong
12:51<babilen>I would just move /etc/modprobe.d/sound somehwere else and try it again
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12:52<free_the_node>what iceweasel do you guys use? testing, experimental, ... ?
12:52<sret>move it to where?
12:52<sret>i changed it to =0 and reloaded alsa
12:52<sret>still nothing
12:52<sret>root speaker test works
12:52<babilen>sret: I don't care ;) -- You could, for example, move it to your home directory
12:53<mororo>retrospectacus Some new features of PHP / Apache? Since www.klinza.cz works but does not yet portal.klinza.cz setting has not changed in the VirtualHost
12:53<retrospectacus>free_the_node: the one that installs when I install iceweasel, whatever it may be. They all work fine :)
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12:53<sret>ok
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12:54<babilen>sret: you don't want the settings in /etc/modprobe.d/sound
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12:54<free_the_node>I use Iceweasel 3.6.x from experimental but seems a bit unstable... (maybe I will switch back to unstable or testing one day)
12:54<babilen>sret: I am just pointing out inconsistencies in the also-info output
12:54<sret>ok i smoved it to home/sret/sound
12:54<sret>reload alsa?
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12:55<babilen>yepp
12:55<retrospectacus>free_the_node: if you don't want software to be unstable... why not stick with, y'know, stable?
12:56<babilen>sret: Ah, remove and reinsert the intel and usb module first
12:56<retrospectacus>mororo: portal.klinza.cz works for me
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12:57<mororo>retrospectacus I see my Google Chrome constantly downloads the php file
12:58<retrospectacus>mororo: portal.klinza.cz works for me great with google chrome
12:58<free_the_node>cause I like to live on the edge (with stable software) :)
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12:59<sret>babilen: what? how do i do that
12:59<babilen>sret: You also have defaults.ctl.card Intel in !!asoundconf-generated config file (remove that file and/or set the default device to be the usb one with asoundconf again)
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12:59<babilen>sret: "modprobe -r snd_hda_intel && modprobe snd_hda_intel" (same for the usb module)
13:00<sret>where is all this defaults.tl.card?
13:00<babilen>sret: I am just reading the alsa-info output and pointing you to things that meet my eye
13:00<sret>im not follwing you dude
13:00<babilen>sret: hhe
13:00<sret>i get that but "inserting an removing intel and usb module
13:00<babilen>hehe
13:00<sret>how do you do that/
13:00*babilen slows down
13:00<sret>and where is all this defaults.ctl.card?
13:00<babilen> "modprobe -r snd_hda_intel && modprobe snd_hda_intel" (same for the usb module)
13:00<AgentC>babilen: in case of automusic at my page, is it in any way unacceptable or any other reason why i shouldnt do that?
13:01<sret>babilen: modprobe -r in the temrinal?
13:01<babilen>AgentC: I find it unacceptable -- stop that and get yourself a nice CSS style file for your page
13:01<babilen>sret: yes, in the terminal
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13:01<mororo>retrospectacus I recall this show but Firefox works normally weird I find who else has a similar problem on my friend, at least one, but we were more
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13:03<babilen>AgentC: For example: http://www.oswd.org/ or http://opensourcetemplates.org/ (there are probably better sites, i am not a web designer)
13:03<retrospectacus>mororo: chrome has cached it, that's all. try a new url like //articles.php
13:03<sret>ok i did this modprobe -r snd_hda_intel && modprobe snd_hda_intel and modprobe -r snd_usb_audio && modprobe snd_usb_audio
13:03<sret>done
13:03<babilen>AgentC: http://www.opendesigns.org/ looks good too
13:04<babilen>sret: great -- now restart alsa
13:05<AgentC>babilen: in case of VPS traffic 50GB limit i cant let it run anytime, i just wanted to give the first visitors a feel ;) i'll stop that at end of month. css-files defines the look of GUI-elements right?
13:05<sret>ok done reloading
13:06<sret>speaker-test works in root, wont in user$
13:06<babilen>AgentC: exactly
13:06<mororo>retrospectacus Thank you to Tim's cache. I am grateful for the help, despite the terrible English, what makes Google
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13:06<babilen>sret: Ok, could you run alsa-info again and let me see how it is now (btw how do you restart alsa?)
13:07<sret>alsa reload
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13:08<yolanda_hur>hello alguien speak spanish
13:08<retrospectacus>mororo :)
13:08<yolanda_hur>Y have a problem
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13:08<sret>http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=947fbe6b63f2f131d125b2c703d89a0164d253e0
13:08<retrospectacus>yolanda_hur: you can go to #debian-es or ask here in English
13:09<yolanda_hur>thanks retrospectacus
13:09<global_>Hi! i have set it up, and i am in need of help.
13:09<global_>Let me do something.
13:10<global_>http://pastie.org/1493389
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13:10<global_>how would i mount /dev/pts and is it still needed?
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13:11<babilen>sret: Ok, that looks better. The modules are loaded with the right index now. It seems as if you have a asoundconf generated configuration file that defines "defaults.ctl.card Intel" around though. Could you search for it (e.g. find /etc -name '*asound*') ?
13:12<babilen>sret: Or do you remember how we/you used asoundconf to set the default device? (I don't have it installed here and you might have it in your bash_history) -- If not, don't worry, i can find a manpage for lenny.
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13:15<babilen>sret: Should be something like "asoundconf set-default-card Speaker" (or so)
13:16<sret>i see a bunch if stuff etc/lvm/cache
13:16<babilen>but basically, that should be the way it is configured right now. Did you find the configuration file?
13:16<babilen>sret: unrelated
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13:16<sret>find /etc -name '*asound*' right?
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13:17<sret>ah
13:17<sret>i did a locate
13:17<sret>and see /usr/bin/asoundconf
13:17<babilen>and it is in ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf
13:17<retrospectacus>global_: I don't know, is it still needed?
13:17<sret>/home/sret/.asoundrc/asoundconf
13:18<global_>PTY allocation request failed on channel 0
13:18<sret>/home/sret/.asoundrc.asoundconf
13:18<babilen>ah, ok -- yeah /usr/bin/asoundconf is the program itself -- do you have a ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf ?
13:18<global_>Yes :]
13:18<global_>How would i go about fixing this?
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13:18<sret>yeah i have asoundrc.asoundconf
13:18<sret>i see default ctl.card intel
13:18<sret>i see default ocm.card intel
13:18<sret>default.pcm.device: 0
13:19<babilen>ok, remove that file (or move it somewhere else) -- You could also try "asoundconf set-default-card Speaker" as your user (i would think that the file changes then)
13:19<sret>on top it says if you want to edit this you need to edit asoundrc
13:19<sret>not this file
13:19<sret>MANUAL CHANGES TO THIS FILE WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
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13:20<babilen>yes, i see the file -- but your ~/.asoundrc is empty -- i suspect that the ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf is a thing of the past
13:20<babilen>hence my suggestion to move it out of the way
13:20<retrospectacus>global_: usually you bind-mount /dev from the host into the chroot
13:20<sret>put it where?
13:20<sret>its in home
13:20<global_>retro: debootstrap squeeze /chroot ?
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13:21<sret>ok i put it on the desktop
13:21<babilen>sret: For example: mv ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf ~/asoundrc.asoundconf -- or -- mv ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf{,_old}
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13:21<babilen>or that :)
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13:22<retrospectacus>global_: ??
13:22<sret>i get a bunch of errors if i do a speaker-test at this point
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13:23<babilen>sret: Sure, you should reload alsa and preferably logout and login
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13:23<sret>http://paste.debian.net/105559
13:24<babilen>sret: try (as root) "alsa force-reload"
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13:24<retrospectacus>global_: http://wiki.freaks-unidos.net/chrooted-debian-server
13:24<retrospectacus>global_: and many other directions online
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13:24<global_>i giot it
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13:25<babilen>sret: move ~/.asoundrc out of the way too -- It sources the file we have just moved (sorry, should have seen that)
13:25<sret>babilen: i did a alsa reload and logged out and still nothing
13:25<sret>ok
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13:26<babilen>reload alsa (maybe with force-reload) logout, login and .... ????
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13:26<sret>babilen: IT WORKS
13:26<sret>ok let me logout and see
13:26<babilen>:-D
13:27<sret>yes !!!
13:27<sret>works
13:27<sret>thakns babilen :PPP
13:27<babilen>yay!
13:27<sret>let see how long this works for
13:27<sret>lol
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13:27<sret>thakns babilen :D
13:27<sret>brb fone!
13:27<retrospectacus>til you upgrade to squeeze in a couple weeks :P
13:28<babilen>sret: Sure :)
13:28<babilen>retrospectacus: That is mean (but not entirely unrealistic)
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13:29<sret>niceDDD
13:29<sret>:D
13:29<sret>babilen: just one more thing how do i launch the gnome volume control?
13:29<sret>i killed that process while drone77 and i were disucssing and its not back up there
13:29<babilen>that's some gnome-panel applet isn't it?
13:29<sret>yea
13:29<bartm>sret, gnome-volume-control
13:29<babilen>^^^
13:29<drone77>sret so what files do you have?
13:29<sret>well when wekilled the process it was called mixer-applet
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13:30<retrospectacus>you right-click the empty panel and choose "add to panel" and find the sound thing in the list
13:30<sret>drone77: same thing, removed asoundrc and asoundconf and put it on the desktop
13:30<retrospectacus>Volume Control
13:30<drone77>sret so multiple applications work with the sound at once?
13:30<sret>thanks retrospectacus
13:31<sret>drone77: yeah everything works now
13:31<babilen>drone77: It basically boiled down to inconsistent configuration (a bunch of conflicting/outdated configuration files) -- We stepped through the alsa-info script one step at a time. Fixed module indices and conflicting ~/.asoundrc* files and it works now.
13:31<sret>white noise was never heaven to m ears, now it is
13:31<sret>lol
13:31<babilen>hahaha
13:31<babilen>!lol
13:31<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
13:31<babilen>sret: btw ^^ ;)
13:31<sret>hah dpkg
13:31<drone77>ok cool you can fix mine, i noticed it's shagged somehow now Zzz ;)
13:31<bartm>in fact, "lol" is "fun" in dutch :)
13:32<sret>lol drone77 , babilen fixed it
13:32<sret>drone77: but i can run you through the steps
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13:32<babilen>bartm: Oh, that is a nice fun fact :)
13:32*dvs hands sret a radio with a broken antenna
13:32<babilen>sret: hehe ;)
13:32*gruetzkopf is aol user( but in germany, aol's contracts were sold to Alice )
13:32*sret hands dvs a z-10 USB speaker
13:32<dvs>ha!
13:32<dvs>same diff
13:33<sret>so what do i dowith all this asoundrc and asoundrc.asoundconf files on the desktop?
13:33<sret>put them in usr/local/?
13:33<retrospectacus>I would delete them without restraint
13:33<bartm>sret, do you still need them? I'd delete them
13:33<sret>ok
13:33<sret>it works without it frm the looks of it doesnt it? so.. rm. it
13:34<drone77>sret mine's not working in multiple apps now, ARRGGH
13:34<babilen>sret: I would like to point out that there is a totally different approach to what we've been doing right now. Most applications just use the soundcard with index 0 by default (some might not even work with anything else) -- But the whole idea behind the ~/.asoundrc and /etc/asound.conf files is, to configure alsa to use specific devices as default. So, a carefully crafted ~/.asoundrc might actually be the "cleaner" solution than forcing ...
13:35<sret>drone77: no kidding get rid of asoundrc
13:35<babilen>... specific pieces of (removable!) hardware to specific indices.
13:35<drone77>sret i don't have one
13:35<AgentC>babilen: what soft are you using for botnick "dpkg"? i tried out eggdrop on my own irc-server (ircd) but that is really hard to configure.
13:35<sret>and asoundrc.asoundconf
13:35<babilen>AgentC: It's not my bot
13:35<sret>drone77: do a speaker-test from $
13:35<sret>if it errors lets see
13:35<babilen>AgentC: dpkg is a blootbot
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13:36<babilen>,info blootbot
13:36<judd>Package blootbot (net, optional) in lenny/i386: a severely modified infobot for IRC. Version: 1.2.0-6.3; Size: 245.4k; Installed: 880k
13:36<sret>babilen: oh
13:36<dvs>sret: I'd do that after a reboot
13:36<drone77>sret Ahh no i just ballsed up my mpd.conf
13:36<babilen>drone77: really?
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13:36<drone77>sret babilen no problems!
13:37<babilen>great
13:37<sret>sweet
13:37<drone77>sorry about that
13:37<babilen>no problem
13:37<babilen>!beer everyone
13:37*dpkg pulls out an excellent Green Flash IPA for everyone
13:37<sret>babilen: but mine had nothing in it though in asoundrc
13:37<sret>and USB was set to defualt 0 all the way along
13:37<drone77>can I have a 6X instead? can't buy it in Yorkshire (stupid county)
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13:38<sret>lucnh time,wife is glaring
13:38<babilen>sret: the ~/.asoundrc sourced (i.e. imported) a (previously created?) ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf with wrong settings
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13:38<sret>babilen: ok
13:38<sret>which explains those errors in speaker-test as $
13:38<drone77>babilen sret you are using .asoundrc?
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13:39<sret>bunch of pcm stuff too
13:39<sret>drone77: not i
13:39<mc68040>hi, in current squeeze netboot debconf produces a segfault: http://paste.debian.net/105561/ does anybody know where to get working squeeze netboot?
13:39<drone77>sret .asoundrc.asoundconf?
13:39<babilen>drone77: I am using a /etc/asound.conf to set pulse as default device, so i can change volumes per application with pulseaudio
13:39<babilen>mc68040: is that rc2?
13:41<bartm>mc68040, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
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13:41<drone77>babilen: ah ok very good, just leave mine with single control, might look at that at some point
13:41<mc68040>babilen: its 20110106+b1 from current mirror
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13:42<babilen>drone77: Do you have pulseaudio installed?
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13:43<babilen>mc68040: Could you try rc2 and check if you run into the same error, please?
13:43<drone77>babilen nope
13:43<babilen>drone77: ok, nothing to worry about then
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13:44<mc68040>babilen: of course, im looking for it (todays daily image fails too)
13:44<babilen>mc68040: bartm gave you the link
13:44<bartm>mc68040, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
13:44<babilen>dailies fail as well?
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13:47<mc68040>babilen: yes, i try to install a dell server remote with serial ipmi console...
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13:49<mc68040>babilen: i try now with http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz
13:49<babilen>yes, that is the one
13:50<babilen>mc68040: You might also want to test if this is locale related / if you run into the same problem again, try en_US.utf-8
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13:51<mc68040>babilen: ok, ill give first feedback in about 15 minutes
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13:52<babilen>mc68040: Take your time.
13:54<babilen>AgentC: www.csszengarden.com/ , http://design.geckotribe.com/monastery/ , www.cssvault.com/ , www.unmatchedstyle.com/ , www.cssbeauty.com/ (courtesy of #css on freenode)
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14:12<AgentC>babilen: thanks. is it easy to configure blootbot ?
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14:13<AgentC>babilen: I've a php-chat system on my website for my own irc-server, but the eggdrop dont work correctly , even auto-op does not work - without misconfiguration
14:14<AgentC>babilen: irc.mitlab.de:6667, "james" is the eggdrop-bot
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14:14<sret>heh
14:14<sret>i can hear the sounds of neywork through my z-10
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14:16<retrospectacus>AgentC: blootbot does not do any kind of op-things, just remembers factoids afaik
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14:16<mc68040>babilen: the same with rc2 netboot, i try now with locale en_US.utf-8
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14:18<AgentC>retrospectacus: ok, but eggdrop should do, but it do not work as it should.
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14:19<retrospectacus>AgentC, no idea.
14:19<AgentC>retrospectacus: is it easy to configure?
14:19<_00111111>hello
14:19<retrospectacus>AgentC: I only have a blootbot. it's pretty easy. create a mysql db and edit his config
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14:20<asenges1>has someone resolved a kernel panic not syncing problem during installation?
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14:20<AgentC>retrospectacus: does that mean, that every bot-cmdline and its answer is simply stored in mySQL database?
14:21<retrospectacus>yes
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14:22<sret>when i download source files it should go into /usr/local/ normally right?
14:22<retrospectacus>sret: download like how?
14:22<AgentC>retrospectacus: is it possible to setup individual bot-answers with system-ansfers? (for example output of df) ?
14:22<bartm>sret, depends on what you want to do with the source code
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14:22<retrospectacus>AgentC: sounds possible to me. If you know perl ;)
14:23<sret>retrospectacus: like if i want to build a pkg from source, then usually i have them put in /usr/local?
14:23<ompaul>sret: no, on both counts
14:23<AgentC>retrospectacus: ok, pearl i know, normally me coding in C but i made experience with perl in case of connecting to sipgate (sendsms)
14:23<sret>oh
14:23<bartm>sret, no put the source code in a subdir of your home dir
14:23<retrospectacus>sret, no... you can download it wherever, your desktop maybe. then compile etc. and after you install it, it might go in /usr/local
14:24<sret>yeah after i untar it and stuff it'll go into ~/sret
14:24<ompaul>sret: in the first place you can "download files anywhere" and move them anywhere after that - convention says put the source to linux in /usr/src but that is a whole other story
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14:24<sret>ah
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14:25<sret>so downloading source should be placed in usr/local/src or /usr/src?
14:25<bartm>sret, no put the source code in a subdir of your home dir
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14:25<ompaul>sret: good programs have compile options that allow you say where you want the binary built, and now you might be thinking /usr/src/ however you are aware that debian has tens of thousands of packages and you might be able to have it manage the whole process for you
14:26<ompaul>sret: and you could also be thinking to build things into /usr/local/ but you might be really thinking /usr/local/bin
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14:26<retrospectacus>sret, the source location is irrelevant. Put it somewhere convenient for you, e.g. your ~
14:26<sret>ok
14:27<sret>so what's the point of /usr/local then? last time i built something from source, everyone said you have to put it in usr/local/
14:27<ompaul>sret: /usr/local/bin/ you didn't read it
14:28<bartm>sret, when you download source code (not debian source package), compile and build the binary software, then you might want to install the resulting binaries in /usr/local/bin
14:28<sret>ok
14:28<ompaul>sret: please read this in full (and take your time) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
14:28<sret>ah so the binaries go into /bin
14:28<sret>ok
14:28<retrospectacus>sret: you should *install* it to /usr/local/bin as it is a custom thing you are doing. (note that unless you are modifying the source for a specific reason of your own, you should just use the package manager)
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14:29<sret>so what happens if i install the binaries to say the desktop, then?
14:30<retrospectacus>then you will have to type ~/Desktop/blah instead of blah, to run it
14:30<bartm>sret, that's fine too, but then these are only available to this desktop's user
14:30<sret>right but there;s no issues of a system breaking down or sometihng?
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14:30<sret>bartm: ah
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14:30<babilen>mc68040: Too bad, thanks for the testing
14:30<sret>makes sense, so /usr/local/bin would let everyone use it
14:30<bartm>mc68040, result?
14:30-!-brotozoan [FisherT@37Q5WN1-FHLC12.LAW.NYU.EDU] has joined #debian
14:31<sret>which is why it's called local then?
14:31<ompaul>sret: and if you stick binaries in directories other than /usr/local/bin/ and so on you might just break system material if you dropped it in /bin/
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14:31<ompaul>sret: on that link I gave you it says why it is called local
14:31<brotozoan>Does anyone have a list of the officially supported packages for Debian lenny?
14:31<sret>ompaul: right thats what i wanted to ask, how will i end up breaking the system because of that?
14:31<retrospectacus>brotozoan: yes
14:31<bartm>brotozoan, see packages.debian.org
14:32<brotozoan>Oh, that's pretty easy. I have to state my case for using debian over ubuntu for a server today. Thanks for the help.
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14:32<TIBS01>whats the package name
14:32<TIBS01>for
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14:32<jhutchins_lt>brotozoan: If it's not important to have jiggly windows on the server console definitely go with Debian.
14:32<TIBS01>./configure using the --with-tcllib='/path/to/libtcl.so' and
14:33<AgentC>retrospectacus: i installed blootbot on my vps. how to setup it for my own irc-server?
14:33<TIBS01>i need checking for Tcl header... not found
14:33<mc68040>babilen: with locale en_US.utf-8 i it works
14:33<sret>ok i think i get it
14:33<sret>thanks
14:33<jhutchins_lt>brotozoan: I believe the current package count is about 30,000.
14:33<brotozoan>Hah jhutchins, I was joking that I don't want to search through posts complaining about winamp skins via wine, but I need to have it a little more....manager ready
14:33<bartm>mc68040, great!
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14:33<retrospectacus>TIBS01: I hope you put the actual path, not "/path/to/libtcl.so"
14:33<bartm>mc68040, please report this bug in the bts
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14:34<TIBS01>no i mean for some reason it wont reconize
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14:34<bartm>mc68040, with your findings about the locale etc
14:34<sret>ompaul: in the wiki link it says /bin is for command binaries, there;s more than one /bin? or just /usr/local/bin?
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14:34<TIBS01>tcl lib and tcl header it aint installed
14:34<jhutchins_lt>!gree whcp
14:34<mc68040>bartm: ill do
14:34<jhutchins_lt>!free whcp
14:34<dpkg>FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP Omega> and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels
14:34<jhutchins_lt>Stupid fingers...
14:34<TIBS01>but when i put in apt-get install tcl header it wont come up with nothing
14:34<TIBS01>or
14:34<TIBS01>apt-get install libtcl
14:34<TIBS01>it wont reconize that
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14:34<kot-begemot>мяу
14:35<jhutchins_lt>TIBS01: how about apt-file search libtcl
14:35<retrospectacus>TIBS01: we can't understand when you talk like that. Enter is not punctuation
14:35<sret>TIBS01: use synaptic and do a search
14:35<bartm>kot-begemot, language?
14:35<kot-begemot>rus
14:35<bartm>!ru
14:35<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
14:35<TIBS01>shell1:~# apt-file search libtcl
14:35<TIBS01>-bash: apt-file: command not found
14:35<retrospectacus>!installit
14:35<dpkg>Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
14:36<sret>TIBS01: thee's tk
14:36<TIBS01>huh
14:36<sret>i think you want tk, not libtcl
14:36<sret>there's no pkg in the name libtcl
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14:36<TIBS01>ok
14:36<TIBS01>what about tcl-header
14:36<TIBS01>is that in with tk
14:37<sret>there's tk lib standard tk library
14:37<f8l>kot-begemot: Meow?
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14:37<sret>there's no tcl header
14:38<kot-begemot>meow
14:38<TIBS01>,,,,,,
14:38<sret>thee's tcl8.4 run time files, tcl8.4-dev dev files
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14:39<kot-begemot>i am russian kot
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14:39<TIBS01>ok cool
14:39<sret>TIBS01: why do you need tcl-header?
14:39<sret>get an error on something?
14:40<bartm>sret, page up a few times
14:40<TIBS01>it was saying its erroring on eggdrop
14:41<bartm>TIBS01, why not simply install eggdrop from debian? i'ts in debian
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14:41<sret>znc-tcl
14:41<sret>yeah install that
14:41<sret>if you install the tklib it ocmes with tcl and a bunch of other stuff, maybe you want that
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14:42<babilen>mc68040: Ok ... Could you report that bug against "installation-reports"?
14:42<sret>tcl9.4-dev contants the tcl headers and libraries
14:42<sret>download that
14:43<sret>sorry tcl8.4
14:43<babilen>mc68040: Ah, I see bartm already covered that. Thanks for the work and I may your new server work the way you want it to now.
14:43<babilen>s/I//
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14:43<sret>TIBS01: install the tcl8.4-dev, its got all the tcl header/libs stuff
14:43<eekbah>Hey guys, I have an issue that I cant seem to find an exact answer for
14:44<bartm>eekbah, elaborate on "an issue" :)
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14:44<TIBS01>thankies
14:44<TIBS01>srbaker_
14:44<TIBS01>thankies sret
14:45<sret>np
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14:45<babilen>mc68040: Just run "reportbug installation-reports" and it should take you through the necessary steps.
14:45<eekbah>I'm trying to install debian lenny 5.0.7 64bit on a supermicro server using an intel ICH9R sata raid setup and cannot get passed formating the drives
14:45<eekbah>I need these drives to be raid1
14:46<babilen>TIBS01: As bartm asked you (but you might have overlooked that) -- why don't you install eggdrop from Debian?
14:46<AgentC>how to do a time-syncro from cmdline with german/frankfurt nuclear-clock ?
14:46<bartm>eekbah, elaborate on "cannot get passed" :)
14:47<sney>eekbah: hmm, I'm not familiar with ich9r, but wouldn't the array be set up in a controller bios?
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14:47<bartm>AgentC, probably ntpdate I guess
14:47<sney>and then debian will just see it as a single volume
14:47<babilen>!tell AgentC about ntp
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14:47<babilen>!tell AgentC about set time
14:47<eekbah>the array is setup in the controller bios and the installationg detects it as a raid1 mirror but then during the partition formatting it just says partitioning failed
14:48<babilen>AgentC: You might have to run "ntpdate" first if your clocks are way off
14:48<babilen>bartm: probably "cannot get past"
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14:49<eekbah>lol sorry cramped on a laptop hovering over a server... my spelling might not be bang on
14:49<sret>babilen: thx again man:P
14:49<babilen>sret: no problem
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14:50<AgentC>babilen: i installed ntp package on vps, but no ntpdate file is avail
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14:50<bartm>AgentC, it's a separate package I think
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14:50<AgentC>babilen: i saw a file named ntptime
14:51<AgentC>babilen: i saw, installing
14:52<dvs>eekbah: linux generally doesn't rely on the BIOS.
14:52<AgentC>babilen: ntpdate : no servers can be used, exiting
14:52<bartm>AgentC, of course it needs some configuring
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14:52<brotozoan>Excuse me for what I'm assuming is correct, but Ubuntu drivers can be used in Debian, correct?
14:52<babilen>AgentC: "ntpdate pool.ntp.org"
14:53<babilen>brotozoan: What do you refer to with "Ubuntu drivers"?
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14:53<AgentC>babilen: ntpdate : the NTP socket is in use, exiting
14:53<bartm>AgentC, stop the ntp daemon /etc/init.d/ntp stop
14:53<eekbah>dvs: ok but how would I go about getting the install working on this setup?
14:53<brotozoan>I have no idea babilen. Someone here is suggesting that Ubuntu has better hardware support, but I have no idea what he's referencing
14:53<babilen>AgentC: stop ntp (invoke-rc.d ntp stop ; ntpdate pool.ntp.org ; invoke-rc.d ntp start)
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14:54<dvs>eekbah: I'd use linux software raid
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14:54<Djurres>Hello
14:55<retrospectacus>hi
14:55<Djurres>I need some help with Debian :D
14:55<AgentC>babilen: done, but still error, even after restart
14:55<retrospectacus>you've come to the right place
14:55<brotozoan>Hah.
14:55<AgentC>babilen: misconfiguration?
14:55<brotozoan>What's up Djurres
14:55<babilen>brotozoan: Ubuntu and Debian have more or less the same level of hardware support. The main difference is that Ubuntu includes proprietary drivers and binary only firmware by default. It is no problem though to get that working in Debian too, it is just a bit more work.
14:55<brotozoan>babilen, just updating sources to non-free and contrib right?
14:56<babilen>brotozoan: More or less, and installing the appropriate packages ...
14:56<brotozoan>thought so, thanks man.
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14:56<Djurres>Brotozan, I am quite new to the *nix thingies and stuff, and i am quite noob, But i have setted up Unreal IRCd, and i want a 24/7 bot in my channel, i do NOT have NickServ and ChanServ, cause i got problems with installing that.
14:56<brotozoan>I was told last minute that I was driving a meeting.
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14:56<babilen>"driving a meeting"
14:56<babilen>?
14:56<brotozoan>Ah, so you have an IRC question and not a linux question
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14:56<Djurres>Hmm,
14:56<daemonkeeper>Djurres: Why do you need an IRC server to have a bot?
14:57-!-dvs [~me@cwv.teksavvy.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
14:57<Djurres>I want a bot on my own IRC server.
14:57<babilen>AgentC: one moment please
14:57<brotozoan>babilen: i have to moderate the conversation and present the informational backbone of "debian v. ubuntu"
14:57<daemonkeeper>Not that Unreal would be a feasible choice ...
14:57<Djurres>But, the problem is, i cannot install Anope.
14:57<eekbah>dvs: this is the answer I keep coming across... the issue is I am able to install the 32bit version using the bios raid
14:57<babilen>brotozoan: Debian vs. Ubuntu? Both projects work closely together.
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14:58*AgentC waits
14:58<brotozoan>Exactly, but they're not the same thing. Ubuntu stands on Debian's shoulders, but the communities are different and the LTS facts are different.
14:58<brotozoan>I.E. python 2.5.2 is LTS in debian, 2.6.5 is for ubuntu
14:58<Djurres>But, i have got problems with installing Anope, the problem is that i cant run it..
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14:59<Djurres>brotozoan?
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15:00<daemonkeeper>You should perhaps not try to run an IRC server if you fail to install the services already. If you want help, you should provide concrete errors/problems.
15:01<Djurres>I am sorry, told ya, quite new in this part of computing, and shizzle.
15:01<Djurres>Okay
15:01<brotozoan>Djurres: more info
15:01<brotozoan>What's not working when you try to install?
15:01<bartm>Djurres, something like "when I run this command, I get that error message" :)
15:01<brotozoan>have to run
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15:02<Djurres>IRC is running, can join it, nothing on, but i tried to install anope, everything was workin on Anope, but when i wanted to RUN anope, I get an error, If you have second, i will get a copypaste of the error,
15:02<Djurres>second
15:03<eekbah>Ok dvs seems to have left, can anyone else explain why I may be having issues installing 5.0.7 64 bit on a ich9r raid when the install goes through with out any errors on the 32bit version?
15:04<bartm>eekbah, if 32bit works and 64bit doesn't, then the exact error output/behavior might be worth a bug report
15:04<bluenemo>i'm trying to create an ecrypted device but i always fail, please help http://pastebin.com/Ue54JxMg
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15:05<daemonkeeper>bluenemo: Did you read, what the message says?
15:05<drone77>daemonkeeper: it says (Type uppercase yes): yes
15:05<eekbah>bartm, so the install process would not be any different from 64 to 32 it should just work?
15:05<drone77>daemonkeeper: you did lowercase?
15:05<daemonkeeper>I didn't do anything. bluenemo did.
15:05<daemonkeeper>And yes, that is his fault.
15:05<bluenemo>lol uppercase.. argh :D
15:05*bluenemo trying
15:05<drone77>daemonkeeper: sorry, mixed the messages up
15:06<daemonkeeper>np ;)
15:06<bluenemo>... this works AAAAARGH wth :D this is funny :D thank you for your help guys i was just about to go insane :D
15:06<babilen>AgentC: What is the output of "netstat -antup"
15:07<drone77>bluenemo: will teach you to read the prompt
15:07*AgentC is busy for 2 min
15:07<bluenemo>lol yeah it does :) well stuff like that happens from time to time.. thats why several eyes see more than two ;)
15:08<babilen>AgentC: Ah, screw that. I'm going home. Just set the clock manually and let ntp do the rest
15:08<bluenemo>sometimes one cant see the forest because of all the trees :D
15:08<babilen>(or ask somebody else for support)
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15:09<AgentC>babilen: triing to set up blootbot
15:09<drone77>bluenemo: yes, like myself and daemonkeeper's name
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15:19<AgentC>on blootbot: how to change default channel / channel-list? this is not in configdir /etc/blootbot
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15:21<AgentC>i saw /var/lib/blootbot , ok
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15:29<ladoga>AgentC: you can run ntpdate command followed by time server
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15:30<ladoga>AgentC: ntpdate ntp.whatever.de
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15:31<ladoga>AgentC: that should get your system time close enough (hundredths of second)
15:31<AgentC>ladoga: thank, but if i do ntpdate pool.ntp.org i get message: cant adjust the time of day: operation not permitted
15:32<bartm>AgentC, are you root?
15:32<AgentC>yep, always
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15:34<ladoga>AgentC: it should work if the ntp server is online
15:34<bartm>AgentC, any relevant messages in log files ? (/var/log/...)
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15:36<ladoga>AgentC: what if you do # ntpdate ntp.ewetel.de
15:37<ladoga>AgentC: ewetel is your ISP right?
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15:37<AgentC>ladoga: same message
15:38<bartm>AgentC, virtual server?
15:38<ladoga>AgentC: even if i am in finland that address works for me
15:39<AgentC>VPS, yepp, i startet ntp /etc/init.d/ntp start, but in tasklist (ps -A) no ntpd is displayed
15:39<AgentC>any configuration missing?
15:39<ladoga>AgentC: do you need ntp server?
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15:40<ladoga>AgentC: if you don't ntpdate would be enough (if it worked for you of course)
15:40<AgentC>ladoga: serving not, only adjusting machine-time
15:41<ladoga>AgentC: ntpdate is for adjusting
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15:41<ladoga>AgentC: i never install anything more unless i would need to serve synched time
15:41*AgentC is triing on local machine instead of virtual server. just a moment
15:42<ladoga>AgentC: and haven't ran into it yet...for me using ISPs ntp server has been enough
15:43<ladoga>AgentC: if ntpdate works for you, then you might set it to run once every day or whatever depending what kind of accuracy you need
15:44<AgentC>ladoga: jep i thinked about to make a crontab entry. , on my local machine@home it works. same on my virtual server (hetzner online gmbh) does not work
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15:45<ladoga>AgentC: yes crontab
15:47<ladoga>AgentC: i should actually set it up too
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15:48<AgentC>ladoga: crontab entry inserted. dayly 6 oclock syncro
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15:49<AgentC>ladoga: but that must work on VPS too, cause there is my web and data -server
15:51<mc68040>AgentC: unless you have a dedicated server or real virtualized server (vmware, xen) you normally cant set time bcs its done by the host your vserver runs on
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15:52<ladoga>AgentC: i wish i could help you but i have no idea...maybe connection from VPS is blocked somehow...by firewall maybe?
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15:52<AgentC>mc68040: oh, ok, i understand. the VPS is running on centOS
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15:52<ladoga>AgentC: i'm just throwing wild guess not knowing what i'm talking about
15:52<AgentC>mc68040: thants right, i checked time and is exactly identical to my local time
15:53<ladoga>ok. thanks mc
15:53<mc68040>np
15:54<AgentC>i had should made my own thoughs, a virtual system cant have an own timerchip :-/ *smile*
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15:55<mc68040>AgentC: depends on kind of virtualization
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15:56<AgentC>mc68040: i dont know what kind of vbox there is running, but when the hostsys is timesynced there is no need to do that on vsys too ;-)
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15:57*AgentC is sometimes stupid ;)
15:58<AgentC>somebody have experience with blootbot? i installed it, it runs, but dunno how to configure and use it out of missing knowledge
15:58<ompaul>!help
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15:59<ompaul>AgentC: have it join you in your own private world and start with that command - teh shiny search engines have lots of "FAQ"s on same
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16:00<ladoga>AgentC: dpkg says blootbot is no longer maintained
16:00<bartm>merged back into the main infobot project
16:00<AgentC>ladoga: renamed into infobot, i know, but could usefull for my own customers
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16:01<AgentC>ompaul: i'll take a look
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16:01<AgentC>ladoga: dpkgbot says project is stopped.
16:02<Back5>hello nice to see you
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16:02<AgentC>when starting the bot, its joining the channels entered in cfg file. but i have to learn how to setup it in mysql
16:03<Back5>quelqu'un parle francais
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16:03<AgentC>oui
16:03<ladoga>!fr
16:03<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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16:03<Back5>Mercii
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16:07<AgentC>at default no factoids are added in mysql. is it right that factkey is in chat !factkey?
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16:09<bigbrother>ubuntu
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16:12<bluenemo>do i have to be concernd if the smart raw_value Hardware ECC Recovered is climbing like nuts?
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16:13<kop>bluenemo: Could be a sign of impending head crash.
16:13<Infrid>hi!
16:14<AgentC>Infrid: hi
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16:14<bluenemo>kop, ok thx
16:14<Infrid>i'd like to install debian on a new computer, for working with php and other things related to the web development.
16:15<msferoz85>hello people
16:15<Back5>hello msferoz
16:15<Infrid>can I install the new debian RC1 and update the system every day?
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16:15<msferoz85>how do i install themes from art manager?
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16:16<Infrid>my idea was install debian, configure it, and update reguraly until the sistem is stable
16:16<bartm>Infrid, rc2
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16:17<msferoz85>Back5 how do i install themes from art manager?
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16:18<Infrid>rc2? good :D
16:18<AgentC>Infrid: download debian netinstall cd (iso image) burn to disk, and install :)
16:19<Infrid>ok, but i get the old debian
16:19<Infrid>I'd like to start with the new debian 6
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16:19<AgentC>Infrid: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable
16:20<bartm>Infrid, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
16:20<AgentC>bartm: where's the different?
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16:22<Infrid>thanks AgentC, but I'm looking for the RC
16:22<amphi>Infrid: bartm's url is what you want
16:22<Infrid>thanks bartm
16:22<Infrid>i'm downloading
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16:22<Infrid>:)
16:23<Infrid>when the debian 6 is officially stable, my system will upgraded to the new "state", right?
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16:23<bartm>Infrid, it will remain "squeeze"
16:23<Infrid>my installation will be no more RCx but a stable debian
16:23<amphi>verily
16:25<AgentC>changing lenny to testing intro : http://paste.debian.net/105571/
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16:27<AgentC>then pray ;-)
16:27<kop>Infrid: Yes, when squeeze is stable, and you "aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade" your system, you will then be on stable.
16:28<kop>Infrid: (It may or may not also take an "aptitude full-upgrade", depending on what changes they make between now and release.
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16:30<Infrid>thanks kop!
16:30<mc68040>AgentC: just for info: virtualbox is already available for squeeze
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16:31<Infrid>debian squeeze burnt, ready for tomorrow :)
16:31<bartm>tomorrow? can you wait? :)
16:31<kop>Infrid: You got the installer from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ?
16:31<Infrid>yes I did
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16:32<kop>Infrid: Should be good then. (AFAIK)
16:32<Infrid>I'm going to install debian on my computer at work
16:32<Infrid>:)
16:33<drone77>sod you Skype garh
16:33<biiter>hello. i am trying to install debian on thinkpad x201i from usb stick (netinst) but i can't pass the network adapther recognition.. installer can't detect 82577lm gigabit .. what can i do about it please?
16:34<biiter>squeeze
16:35<AgentC>http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&source=hp&q=thinkpad+x201i+debian+squeeze+install&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=
16:36<AgentC>try to find
16:36<biiter>i already did.. i didn't found so i came here
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16:36<kop>biiter: If you go into alt-f2 (or maybe f3 or f4) you'll see logs that might help.
16:37<cahoot>biiter: plain ethernet is no option?
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16:37<kop>biiter: Also, you can get a console and type lspci. If you give us the pci id [xxx:xxx] then we can help more. (maybe)
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16:37<cahoot>biiter: err - disregard please
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16:39<sret>!babilen++
16:39<faheem>biiter: fall back to an install from cd, and try to fix the network issue after the event?
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16:40<faheem>biiter: or, try a live cd. some of them do hardware recognition
16:40<faheem>eg grml
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16:42<biiter>oh.. so at log terminal there is: hw-detect: loading pcmcia bridge driver module: i82365; kernel: intel isa pcic probe: not found. hw-detect: fata: error inserting i82365 (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2486/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/i82365.ko): no such device; check-missing-firmare: no missing firmware in /tmp/missing-firmare
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16:43<AgentC>mc68040: virutalbox i am using on lenny for some winXP actions, but not relevant, my VPS is rent on hetzner online gmbh, uptime 99% / year :) btw. on bootup i get sometimes the message, that vbox driver cannot found by modprobe. whats wrong there?
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16:44<kop>biiter: Sounds like it might be a firmware issue. You could try downloading the non-free firmware and using that. The install guide says how. (I'm not sure exactly where the squeeze install guide is....)
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16:45<Infrid>i'm leaving, thanks for your help :)
16:45<mc68040>AgentC: i meant your pasting http://paste.debian.net/105571/ , there you replace lenny with squeeze for virtualbox.org too
16:45<kop>biiter: If you decide not to follow the install guide see also the below:
16:45<Infrid>good night (or have a nice day :D)
16:45<kop>!firmware images
16:45<dpkg>Unofficial daily built <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing the testing release are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/squeeze_d-i/current/ . See also <install testing>.
16:45<child>using echo "text">> / etc / file I can add text to the last line of the file file, but how do I add a text to a line 23 for example?
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16:46<retrospectacus>child: with a text editor
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16:47<retrospectacus>child: you could also use sed
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16:47<AgentC>mc68040: actually there is a new lenny-version avail, iam downloading at mom. vbox runs good, but realtime-soft gives probs when it is timecritical like cubase or other realtime soft.
16:47<kop>child: Or using head and tail. But note that there are concurrency issues.
16:47<child>no chance ... are more than 1000 files
16:47<child>retrospectacus
16:47<Dominus>Hello. Does exim4 and postfix do the same thing? Or am I wrong?
16:47<kop>retrospectacus: (Always preferred awk over sed.)
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16:48<retrospectacus>child: sed or awk :)
16:48<kop>Dominus: Yes. As does sendmail and many other packages. wikipedia "mail transfer agent"
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16:48<Dominus>kop: alrighty. thanks
16:48<retrospectacus>!tell Dominus -about mta comparison
16:48<mc68040>AgentC: im running virtualbox-3.2, version 3.2.12-68302~Debian~squeeze
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16:48<kop>!mta comparison
16:48<dpkg>i guess mta comparison is http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison
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16:49<Dominus>Thanks, retrospectacus and kop :)
16:49<Dominus>I'll take a look at that site
16:49*kop prefers postfix
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16:49<retrospectacus>the site is a little old but should be useful anyway
16:50<AgentC>mc68040: downloaded 3.2_3.2.12-68302-debian-lenny right now. *.deb package. does it upgrades or have i to delete the older version before installing?
16:50<biiter>thanks. i'll try that iso
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16:50<Dominus>retrospectacus: Yeah, I can see :) But I'll just read through it and see what it gives me of valuable info :)
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16:51<kop>biiter: I'm unclear if that is your problem for sure. "/msg judd pciid [xxx:xxx]" can be helpful and give you the exact information on how to use that card.
16:51<AgentC>mc68040: my current vbox version is 3.2.8 r64453
16:51<kop>biiter: IIRC.
16:51<mc68040>AgentC: it upgrades, but i need an /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup sometimes
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16:51<AgentC>mc68040: so a dpkg -i packname.deb is enough?
16:53<kop>AgentC: Apt should take care of replacing old packages. (But when you're using non-debian supplied packages you're on your own.)
16:53<ladoga>biiter: could it be http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=537502 ?
16:53<Dominus>Do you know which MTA that is the most used?
16:54<mc68040>AgentC: i never used dpkg for virtualbox, i used "aptitude install virtualbox-3.2"
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16:54<AgentC>mc68040: in case of your nickname, i loved amiga too 8=) is there a version of uae for linux?
16:55<kop>Dominus: No. It was once, far and away, sendmail. But that's painful to configure and maintain if you're doing anything at all different.
16:55<ladoga>biiter: if you have iso image on thumbdrive it's probably easy to try another build of installer
16:55<AgentC>mc68040: on gnome update manager it tells me that vbox updates cannot be installed, maybe through the apt.lists entries or whatever. ;=(
16:55<ladoga>biiter: just in case else fails
16:55<Dominus>kop: Okay. Well, I don't like the part with "painful to configure" :) I just don't know which one to use. Exim or postfix.. Seems like they're both good
16:56<kop>Dominus: If you
16:56<mc68040>AgentC: dont know, never had an amiga - one of the first unix boxes i administered had an 68040 :D
16:56<kop>Dominus: If you're not doing anything "professional" it does not matter. You'll just answer the dpkg-reconfigure questions and it'll configure for you.
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16:58<AgentC>mc68040: ah! i setted vbox up to use my archive-HDD by direct-Access (hole disc mode) but that seems to be dangerous when writing from vbox to disc while syncro-mounted under hostsystem.
16:58<Dominus>kop: I already tried doing that with exim4, and it configures, but I don't seem to be able to receive any mails
16:58<kop>Dominus: Sooner or later you'll want to mess with your system if you're getting inbound mail.
16:58<AgentC>mc68040: in that case should be readonly in vbox when mounted under hostsys
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16:58<kop>Dominus: You do know the rest of the world needs to know how to find you, right?
16:59<Dominus>kop: I tried sending an email to myself with a gmail ;)
16:59<Dominus>from a gmail
16:59<Dominus>*
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17:00<AgentC>mc68040: the fs on vbox-os wouldnt recognize index-changes of the fs@hostsystem, so wrong data will be written to the disc, that's fatal.
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17:01<kop>Dominus: wikipedia dns and see also the dns mx records. You could also read rfcs (2821 and 2822 come to mind, as well as the overview one of dns.)
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17:01<AgentC>mc68040: so I feel free to type "rm -rf /" ... would be the same ;)
17:01<kop>Dominus: Otherwise, the logs should explain the problem. (but if there's nothing there then you've not got dns setup.)
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17:02<kop>AgentC: That's the beauty of unix. It's still 1974.
17:02<biiter>kop: lspci doesn't mentoin any pcmci (am in the installer console
17:03<kop>biiter: pcmcia ??
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17:04<biiter>sorry.. the pci is 00:1c.0 , 00:1c.3 , 00:1c.4 and 00:1e.0
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17:05<Dominus>kop: I tried sending a mail from my user, to that user.. and I found out (from the logs), that it put the mails in /var/mail/mail ... and whenever i do $ mail it says that there are no mails for root..
17:05<AgentC>kop: i started in ~1991 with C=64 ; nice to understand TTL-electronics and assembler. the tech-possiblities raised since PC's and greater software is avail but my mind is the same nostalic feel :)
17:06<kop>biiter: I think I told you wrong. Try "lspci -nn"
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17:07<kop>Dominus: You need to be logged in as the user receiving the mail.
17:07<biiter>kop: ok.. 8086:3b42 8086:3b48 8086:3b4a 8086:2448
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17:07<kop>, pciid [8086:3b42]
17:07<judd>[8086:3b42] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset PCI Express Root Port 1' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3b42
17:08<kop>biiter: Which is for the nic?
17:08<biiter>i don't know
17:08<Dominus>kop: I was. I tried sending a mail from root to root..
17:08<kop>biiter: Ok.
17:08<Dominus>I will try it from a user not root
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17:08<kop>Dominus: You've something broken and I gotta go soon.
17:09<biiter>but the lspci recognizes the ethernet controler as : intel coproration device 10ea (rev 06)
17:09<Dominus>kop: damn :/
17:09<kop>Dominus: Keep asking and someone will help.
17:10<Dominus>kop: Hmm. okay.
17:10<AgentC>retrospectacus: in case of texteditors i used HIEW for a long time under win/dos (hackers view) it have not only a text/hex viewer, also a disassemler, debugger and asm-gen is integrated.
17:10<kop>biiter: I don't get it. None of those pciid are for nics.
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17:11<kop>biiter: Is this a super-new machine?
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17:11<biiter>kop: yes.. i bought it today.. thinkpad x201i
17:11<retrospectacus>AgentC: cool but not for me. I use vim or geany
17:11<Dominus>Guys. I have a problem. I'm using exim4, and I am able to send out emails, but not receiving them. And emails directed (from other users locally) to root, will end up in /var/mail/mail instead of /var/mail/root
17:11<kop>AgentC: (Ha, nothing compares with emacs for integration. ;-)
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17:12<kop>biiter: Those are the only listed pciids?
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17:12<kop>biiter: (Thinkpads always work with linux, or so I heard.)
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17:15*biiter is checking the pci's
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17:15<kop>biiter: Wierd. This http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Debian_6.0_(Squeeze)_on_a_ThinkPad_X201i says it works. (But does not list pciids :-(
17:16<biiter>i read this http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Debian_6.0_(Squeeze)_on_a_ThinkPad_X201i and there is no trouble.. but then i found the vague description of my probleme here http://www.nico.schottelius.org/blog/lenovo-x201-with-linux/ '"Detect network hardware" did not find any ethernet card.'
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17:18*kop wonders if #debian-boot where the installer folks live would be better. Normally not, but....
17:19<biiter>damn i have to repair usb stick
17:19<kop>biiter: I wonder if kmuto has squeeze snapshots....
17:19<kop>!kmuto
17:19<dpkg>For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
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17:23<sret>hi
17:23<sret>i was installing cvs
17:23<sret>but do i need cvs-autoreleasecvs?
17:23<troulouliou>hi does anybody have problem with they wifi since recent kernel upgrade ?
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17:26<AgentC>kop: i've no experience with emacs but at filesize i can see that is a powerfull tool!
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17:26<biiter>kop: ok so the lspci | grep -i pci only returns the four pci's i have written here
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17:31<chealer>sret: what is cvs-autoreleasecvs?
17:32<sret>hold on
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17:40<mc68040>Dominus: exim4 is bound only to localhost in default settings
17:41<biiter>omg.. im so sorry.. i used the debian 508 netinst instead of squeeze
17:41<babilen>mc68040: Did the rest of the installation succeed?
17:41<daemonkeeper>You can dist-upgrade
17:42<babilen>... although it is probably easier to install squeeze from scratch
17:42<babilen>(of you just installed)
17:42<mc68040>babilen: yes, i configured de_DE.UTF-8 after installation
17:42<Dominus>mc68040: Yeah. I found out how to open it up. Now I'm just struggling a bit with making it able to use IMAP and POP, so that I can use my normal email-program :)
17:42<Dominus>So far I've installed Dovecot
17:43<daemonkeeper>Unless he has a NIC requiring a non-free firmware ;)
17:43<Dominus>To support IMAP, POP.. I found a guide saying it was a good POP & IMAP server for exim4
17:43<babilen>mc68040: Ok, good to hear that. I suspect some incomplete translation (although 100% was reported for de IIRC) or some problems in the language files. Thanks for the report!
17:43<mc68040>Dominus: exim4 is only a MTA, you need an imap/pop server
17:43<Dominus>mc68040: Yes, isn't that what Dovecot is?
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17:44<mc68040>babilen: its a bit late here (11:44 pm), ill write a bug report tomorrow
17:44<babilen>mc68040: Sure, don't worry. (und 'ne gute nacht)
17:44<mc68040>babilen: danke :D
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17:45<mc68040>Dominus: yes, but dovecot has its own deliver program which must be called by the MTA
17:45<babilen>mc68040: Point is that bugs that are not reported will not get fixed. I would deem a complete broken de_* installation quite, well, undesirable
17:45<Dominus>wut. umm... okay.. so I need exim4 call.. ish?
17:47<mc68040>Dominus: sorry, i just see dovecot can mbox format too
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17:47<saulo>Hello. I'm experiencing problems with my netbook network: when I enable my wireless Debian do not update my route. I need discover ans manually use "route add default gw xxx...." any time. I've reinstalled Debian testing and this problems started. I don't know how proceed. I've experiencing problems with acess to internet from Java applications too.
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17:49<Dominus>mc68040: Yes, it can :)
17:49<babilen>regarding your java problem: do you use openjdk, sun's or a different java implementation? Also: How do you connect to your wifi?
17:50<saulo>babilen: wifi: I'm using plasma applet for network manager
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17:51<babilen>and the java implementation?
17:51<saulo>babilen: sun jdk
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17:52<babilen>I thought so: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=560056 -- do you need Sun's/Oracle's Java?
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17:55<babilen>Also make sure that you configure n-m outlined in /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian* -- But *I* would recommend using wicd instead. (which you need to configure as well)
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17:56<ladoga>+1 for wicd
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17:59<saulo>babilen: I started developing some java software and need be certainly about compatibility with sun/oracle java. Anyway, I really need more info about openjdk and the diferences. It's bacause this I'm a little fearful to migrate. I can't fail in this systems.
17:59<babilen>!openjdk
17:59<dpkg>OpenJDK is Sun's open source release of <Java>. All required functionality (according to the J2SE spec) is present but some optional stuff is missing and some stuff uses different implementations from Sun's binary JDK. Install the openjdk-6-jre package for the runtime environment or openjdk-6-jdk for the development kit. http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/faq.jsp http://openjdk.java.net/ #openjdk on irc.oftc.net.
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18:00<babilen>saulo: Just asking, another option is to set net.ipv6.bindv6only=0
18:00<saulo>babilen: I've tested the fix. I've done a lot of other fixes to try disable ipv6 here, I need rollback all? My netbeans plugins aren't working even with restoring the config in the bug you told.
18:01<biiter>kop: sorry about that.. it's working with squeeze.. i went by the install guide and didn't realize it links lenny images. and thanks a lot for the help
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18:01<biiter>thx all
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18:02<gunknown>hi. i want to match the last occurence of a character. How could i do that via regex?
18:02<saulo>babilen: really thanks for info about openjdk! I'm was needing this! :D
18:03<babilen>saulo: The bindv6only bug has been prominently discussed, which is why it pops into my mind. there might be another reason, but i would suspect bindv6only -- No idea what you have done to fix it though and how that affects java
18:03<babilen>saulo: No problem.
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18:03<babilen>saulo: If you need definite information I would also ask in #openjdk
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18:04<trav04>does anyone here know vrrp?
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18:04<trav04>the protocol
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18:06<saulo>babilen: this config at /etc/sysctl.conf affects java? "net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 0" "net.ipv6.conf.default.disable_ipv6 = 1" "net.ipv6.conf.lo.disable_ipv6 = 0"
18:07<jordanm>saulo: net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1 is the issue
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18:19<saulo>jordanm, babilen: thanks! This do not solved yet, I think I've done something more here. I will try openjdk channel for this bug :) no I will try the babilen's hint about my wifi
18:20<babilen>Good luck. If you need further help, let us know. But read the README.Debian for either n-m or wicd (yay! wicd!) first and make the required changes. If you still have problems with your route, we can work on that.
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18:47<saulo>Hello, I'm back. I read the file /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian and activated the "managed=true". Now can I control by network manager my cable interface too (and not only the wireless). Anyway my route continues don't updating, I need manually describe my route :(
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18:50<saulo>babilen: Any another fix I could try?
18:50<jhutchins_lt>saulo: dhcp?
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18:51<saulo>jhutchins_lt: yes
18:52<jhutchins_lt>saulo: Should be configuring itself then, perhaps the dhcp server is not set up correctly.
18:52<saulo>I've configured with DHCP because I use my wireless in so many places. But my old system was working, before reinstall :(
18:53<saulo><jhutchins_lt>
18:53<AgentC>babilen: ntp works on my homeserv, on vps it is not neccassary cause the hostsys does that alone. thats fine. :) i installed blootbot on my vps, it logs on my ircd and joins the specific channels. but i dunno how to configure it correctly. is there a way of help possible ?
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18:55<saulo>jhutchins_lt: I don't understood yet what could I've done here. This is my lan work and no changes were done in this network from months. last week I'm was with the system working, decided format (recreate my partitions and organize my system) and don't works anymore. I have another PCs like this working in this lan, but with another Operation Systems, and I'm unable to compare the problem :(
18:56<r0ger>where can i get the saslauthd manager password from? i had to redo some configuration stuff with the mailserver i'm setting up and even after supposedly overwriting the configs the password it gives me as the manager password doesn't work
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18:57<global_>How can i detect how fast a disk can read/write?
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19:18<saulo>Disable ipv6 it's really necessary on new openjdk/sun jdk?
19:20<babilen>not on openjdk -- still necessary on sun's as far as i know, but that might have changed in the meanwhile. read the bug reports i linked earlier
19:20<themill>!java ipv6
19:20<dpkg>net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 was set in netbase 4.38, no longer set by default since netbase 4.42 (BTS #560238). net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 breaks networking in Java for sun-java6-jdk (BTS #560044). For older Squeeze installations, use "sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ; invoke-rc.d procps restart" to revert.
19:20<themill>that's not disabling it, just changing the way connections are made
19:21<biiter>How many Load_Cycle_Count per day is acceptable?
19:21<babilen>themill: yes, that is what we were talking about (hopefully)
19:22<babilen>themill: I should read the that bug. The discussions on -devel regarding that issue were too lengthy
19:22<saulo>babilen: used update-alternatives and back to openjdk. Netbeans update manager is working (only a plugin I need shows me errors, but I think I need go to a netbeans specific channel to ask about this :( )
19:24<saulo>babilen: I still with the route problem :'(
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19:25<ph0b>nothing like good ol' irc
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19:26<ph0b>the communication tool before facebook and what not..
19:27<biiter>Please, does anybody noticed that laptop temperature in linux is higher than in windows?
19:28<biiter>did*
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19:31<saulo>restarting my pc to do a test
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19:47<saulo>Thanks all who helped me with the java problem: solved! I've removed all ipv6 fixes and started again: working with both openjdk and with sun/oracle jdk!
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19:48<saulo>Now I'm with the only annoying problem with my route who never updates when I connect to wireless. Unfortulatelly I saw no problem with (argh!) Windows.... :'(
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19:50<r0ger>i'm getting a 403 forbidden error accessing my horde3 installation, but my kolab installation is in the same VirtualHost directive.. i was using Allow From IP to limit access to just one ip address but set it to all to test and it still gives me a forbidden error.. both the kolab and horde3 directories are owned by root and have the same permissions so i'm not sure it's a permissions problem (both installed from apt)
19:50<r0ger>any ideas on what i may be doing wrong?
19:50<r0ger>i have no problems getting into kolab
19:51<cd>Hi guys! For abut 10 hours (until I read my log) my debian gateway was the target of a ssh attack (at a rate about 10 tries a minute). There is nothing to suggest that the attacker got acces to my sistem. However, I want to know if there is a possibility (from sshd configuration or other means) to limit such attacks and (maybe) ban the IP's that cannot connect in a specified time interval or using a specified number of tries. Thaks.
19:51<r0ger>cd: check out fail2ban
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19:51<r0ger>after 4 (i think) wrong attempts it bans the ip for 10 minutes (all configurable)
19:51<amphi>!fail2ban
19:51<dpkg>fail2ban is a small python program that runs rules when people fail to logon after a certain number of tries. By default it works with <ssh> and <iptables>, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using. <Dovecot> administrators: see http://wiki.dovecot.org/HowTo/Fail2Ban . See Debian bug #573314 regarding Postfix and SASL. Also ask me about <denyhosts> and <iptables ssh filter>.
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19:52<cd>r0ger: thaks, I'll take a look...
19:52<saulo>!route
19:52<dpkg>To add a static route in Debian, just put "up /sbin/route add -net ...." for the relevant network interface in /etc/network/interfaces . See also <interfaces>.
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19:53<saulo>!interfaces
19:53<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>.
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19:57<Some_Person>I ran "dd if=/dev/sdb of=~/ubuntu-backup" on an SD card containing an ubuntu install. Now I need to get a file out of this. What should I do? The drive had one ext4 partition
19:57<sney>mount ~/ubuntu-backup /mnt/foo -t ext4 -o loop
19:57<sney>modify to your needs
19:58<amphi>if you had backked up sdb1 it would be easier
19:58<saulo>Some_Person: the -o loop is a necessary option
19:58<sney>a lot of flash drives use the whole device rather than partitions
19:58<amphi>I think now you will have to mount the partition using losetup to provide the offset to the beginning of the partition
19:59<amphi>sney: sure, if it's not partitioned
19:59<Some_Person>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error. In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so
19:59<sney>I guess not in this case
19:59<amphi>Some_Person: what does file -s ubuntu_backup say?
20:00<Some_Person>/home/sam/ubuntu-backup: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x83, active, starthead 32, startsector 2048, 7725056 sectors, code offset 0x63
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20:00<amphi>Some_Person: so it was partitioned, you must wrestle with losetup I think
20:01<saulo>restarting my system: I've removed all old wireless saved information data, I think this will solve my problem
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20:03<amphi>Some_Person: does fdisk -l ubuntu_backup output anything useful?
20:04<Some_Person>http://paste.ubuntu.com/557915/
20:04<amphi>you should be able to figure out from that the offset in bytes to the beginning of the partition
20:05<Some_Person>I probably should have dd'd sdb1 instead of sdb :-(
20:06<amphi>aye
20:07<Some_Person>I was just backing up my old ubuntu install on there before replacing it with debian
20:07<amphi>try losetup -o 3627008 /dev/loop0 ubuntu_backup
20:07<amphi>I'm guessing somewhat here
20:07<Some_Person>losetup: /dev/loop0: device is busy
20:07<amphi>if that goes without error, try file -s /dev/loop0
20:08<amphi>try /dev/loop1 then
20:08<Some_Person>well, no errors
20:08<amphi>for both commands
20:08<amphi>what does file -s /dev/loop1 say?
20:08<Some_Person>/dev/loop0: data
20:08<Some_Person>oops
20:08<amphi>arrgh
20:08<Some_Person>/dev/loop1: ACB archive data
20:09<amphi>er...
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20:10<amphi>Some_Person: losetup -d /dev/loop1
20:10<Some_Person>I'm guessing that was the wrong value?
20:10<amphi>try losetup -o 512 /dev/loop1 ubuntu_backup
20:10<amphi>yes
20:11<Some_Person>/dev/loop1: data
20:11<amphi>Some_Person: losetup -d /dev/loop1 again to free the loopback device
20:12<amphi>you must rtfm to find out at what offset the partition begins; I did this once, a long time ago
20:14<amphi>once you have the partition attached to /dev/loop1, and have checked you can mount it, you can dd it to a file to have just that partition in a file, so it will be easy to loopback mount
20:18<Some_Person>I got this: /dev/loop1: Linux rev 1.0 ext4 filesystem data, UUID=043bee71-3c87-439d-8634-75eabdd17820 (needs journal recovery) (extents) (large files) (huge files)
20:18<Some_Person>is that what it should be?
20:18<amphi>that looks right - what offset?
20:19<Some_Person>1048576
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20:19<amphi>you can mount /dev/loop1 somewhere, or dd it to a file now
20:19<Some_Person>But I didn't really rtfm -- another math trick
20:20<amphi>which was?
20:20<Some_Person>I'll dd before trying it just to be safe
20:20<AgentC>dpkg: 512*2/4
20:20<dpkg>256
20:21<AgentC>:-)
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20:21<Some_Person>"file -s ubuntu-backup" included "startsector 2048" -- I multiplied that by 512 because "fdisk -l ubuntu-backup" included "Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes"
20:21<AgentC>is there any1 awake who could help me to setup such a blootbot ? most is running now, but some configuration-problems i have anyway
20:21<amphi>good-oh
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20:22<amphi>Some_Person: I didn't notice that, I was trying to make something of fdisk output
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20:28<Some_Person>Thanks for your help. It seems to have worked!
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20:30<Some_Person>even though the file I'm saving isn't exactly important, lol: http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/6848/img20110112154914.jpg
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20:32<amphi>an example of your philanthropy? a wayside convenience?
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20:32<Some_Person>No, just a picture of a toilet I took on my way home from school recently
20:33<Some_Person>I use it as my desktop background
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20:34<amphi>very reassuring, I'm sure
20:34<Some_Person>It was there for a whole week like that
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20:37<Some_Person>Also the first non-test picture I took on my phone, lol
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21:16<Ozzy_Fudd>hello?
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21:17<Ozzy_Fudd>i need some help w/BT4 please
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21:19<asier>hello guys all
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21:21<AgentC>hi
21:21<AgentC>any1^awaken?
21:21<AgentC>or everybody is sleeping ?
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21:22<cthuluh>!ask
21:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:23<AgentC>dpkg: how are you?
21:23<dpkg>AgentC: just great
21:24<AgentC>dpkg: nslookup mitlab.de
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21:46<AgentC>!xmail
21:46<dpkg>well, xmail is a pop3/smtp mailserver, easily to setup
21:47<Some_Person>^grammar fail
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21:53<sney>there is a lot of ESL in the *nix community.
21:55<AgentC>what does ESL means?
21:55<amitz>english as second language
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21:58<AgentC>i setted up my own blootbot on my irc server, are they factoid packages which i can import into the database, is some like that avail?
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22:00<babilen>http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/
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22:01<babilen>and note that blootbot merged back with infobot
22:03<AgentC>i saw, imho there are misconfigurations at that first installation. takes a while for me to learn about. could you check it? mitlab.de has a php chat-page for anonymous.
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22:11<global_>Get:6 http://mirrors.kernel.org squeeze/main linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 2.6.32-30 [28.6MB]
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22:12<twb>kernel.org hosts a debian repo?
22:12<cafejunkie>Quick question. I am doing a PXE install of squeeze. I can boot into the install menu. I start the install, choose my language/location/keyboard. After that the installer hangs (just the blue screen). Even after letting it sit for about 30 minutes. Any ideas?
22:12<kop>twb: Yup.
22:12<twb>Oh, you just mean they mirror the normal debian archive?
22:13<kop>twb: It's been there a long time. Right.
22:13<twb>OK, I thought it was some PPA for kernel debs :P
22:13<cd>r0ger: thaks a lot... managed to set fail2ban up and got the first ban from somewhere (UK)...
22:13<global_>twb: Yes
22:13<kop>cafejunkie: Alt-f3 (or f-something) gets you the the logs and a console.
22:13<twb>cd: boo, fail2ban sucks. ipt_recent.ko is where it's at.
22:14<cafejunkie>kop: Thank you
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22:14<kop>cafejunkie: It must not be pxeboot related.
22:14<global_>Finally getting somewhere with my install, now i should be 100% squeeze
22:14<twb>cafejunkie: rc1 or rc2?
22:15<cd>twb: what do you recomend, sorry, I'm not quite following you...
22:16<cafejunkie>twb: RC2
22:16<twb>cd: you can have a static netfilter ruleset that automatically blacklists IPs based on their connection rate, and unblacklists automatically after they stop attacking.
22:16<cafejunkie>I grabbed the netboot.tar.gz and used those files to boot via PXE
22:16<twb>cd: IMO this is FAR more robust than scanning logs
22:16<cd>twb: guess so...
22:17<twb>cafejunkie: does lenny install correctly?
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22:17<kop>twb: (I like dropping them into a honypot and letting them plug away. YMMV.)
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22:17<twb>kop: yeah, I haven't set that up yet
22:17<cafejunkie>twb: I haven't tried Lenny yet. Guess I never thought to try. Right now I'm looking at the logs to see if I can find out where its getting stuck at
22:17<twb>kop: I planned to run a honeypot on a dedicated IP, and then block OUTBOUND connections from the honeypot
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22:20<cafejunkie>Looks like it gets up to queueing the packages for install. After "queueing package libc6-i686 for later installation" there is an I/O error on devfd0, sector-
22:22<cafejunkie>scratch that, looks like its not loading the firmare for my NIC. "eth0: e100_request_firmware: failed to load firmware
22:22<AgentC>babilen: thank you for factpack info! :) works!
22:22<babilen>AgentC: no problem
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22:22<kop>cafejunkie: Better see the install guide then.
22:23<cafejunkie>kop: going to check it out now, thanks for the help
22:23<kop>cafejunkie: There's also a factoid <installer firmware> for unoffical installers with firmware, but I don't know if there's pxeboot images (or how reliable they are in general.)
22:24<twb>e100 is not special
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22:24<twb>At least, I've never seen it do anything special.
22:24<AgentC>dpkg: babilen is a very ready to help, nice and special person. :)
22:24<dpkg>AgentC: okay
22:24<kop>twb: Oh, yeah.
22:24<AgentC>8=)
22:25<kop>AgentC: Probably not a good idea to feed the bot extra stuff.
22:25<AgentC>dpkg: forget babilen
22:25<dpkg>AgentC: i forgot babilen
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22:25<AgentC>ok
22:26<kop>Speaking of the bot, the <debian> factoid is locked but I think it should at least say "see <social contract>" and probably <overview> and <grounding> as well.
22:26<sney>people like ganeff and themill can edit it, just wait for one of them to show up
22:26<sney>#debian-offtopic is usually where bot discussion winds up
22:27<twb>sney: #debian-bots
22:27<sney>that too ^^
22:27<kop>golly.
22:27<sney>but not everyone is in every channel
22:27<twb>Or /query dpkg
22:27*AgentC didnt wanted to abuse the bot
22:27<sney>it's ok AgentC
22:27<sney>!abuse
22:27<dpkg>RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again!
22:28<AgentC>dpkg: how are you?
22:28<dpkg>AgentC: you know how it is...
22:28<sret>to remove a directory say foo
22:28<sret>rmdir /usr/share/foo?
22:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 440] by debhelper
22:29<sney>sret I don't know why you ask these things when you have the man pages right in front of you
22:29<AgentC>why my copy of blootbot does not recognize !cmds ?
22:29<sret>sney: im reading it
22:29<sney>probably need to configure it, sometimes there's a different default trigger
22:29<kop>sret: And if you really want to be _sure_, you have to try it yourself.
22:29<sret>rm -r usr/share/foo
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22:30<sret>think i got it
22:30<sret>its rm-r
22:31<sret>yes:D
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22:36<cafejunkie>okay well it's the new kernel since there is no proprietary modules. Apparently the firmware needed for my network card isn't in the new kernel. (e100/d101m_ucode.bin).
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22:36<cafejunkie>so the install hangs because it can't download any packages
22:37<AgentC>sney: how to setup that default trigger? didnt found it in config file /etc/blootbot/xxx.config
22:40<gsimmons>cafejunkie: See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware for modifying netboot images to incorporate the e100 firmware.
22:40<twb>Do e100s seriously need non-free firmware?
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22:40<twb>Now I need to go find a new chipset to recommend :-/
22:40<cafejunkie>gsimmons: thank you!
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22:40<gsimmons>twb: Only for _very_ old revisions TTBOMK.
22:40<gsimmons>dpkg: e100
22:40<dpkg>[e100] the Intel PRO/100 network driver, included in mainline Linux kernels. Firmware from userspace (Debian 2.6.29 and later kernels) is only required for support of non-<ICH> devices; i.e. PCI-IDs 8086:1229 (rev 8), 8086:1229 (rev 9) and 8086:1229 (rev F/10). e100 firmware (d101m_ucode.bin, d101s_ucode.bin, d102e_ucode.bin) is packaged for Debian in firmware-linux-nonfree, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <firmware images>.
22:40<cafejunkie>twb: if there is a free alternative I'd prefer it
22:41<twb>gsimmons: OK
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22:48<cafejunkie>going to try including the firmware in initrd. brb
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22:53<ToAAT>HELLO
22:53<ToAAT>how is the world doing
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22:56<AgentC>devkit v2 is a retarchable development environment avail under sourceforge.net/projects/devkit/files a little bit incomplete ... inofficial i have some inwork projectfiles which was never published. you can download it at http://mitlab.de/tmp/20080701_DevKit_2_0_171.zip remember that these files are incomplete work for version 2.0.172 DK2. since i have no power for completing the project. (53MB)
22:56<AgentC>(curtime: 4:56 GMT1) download avail in 4 minutes
22:58*AgentC DK_opengraphics (xsize, ysize, bitdep); 8=) any platform ;-))
22:59<AgentC>download at host mitlab.de now avail for short time (some days)
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23:00<AgentC>perhaps you find something usefull inside it.
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23:01<cafejunkie>Just tried booting into the lenny installer. Lenny works. I'm going to install lenny, add the non-free repositories and then upgrade to squeeze. Thanks for the help guys.
23:02<twb>cafejunkie: no worries
23:05<Some_Person>How can I add /sbin to PATH for a non-root user?
23:05<AgentC>DK2.0.172: inwork project files are in directory /work of the archive
23:06<jthill>Some_Person: put it in shell's startup file
23:06<AgentC>Some_Person: bashrc?
23:06<jthill>for bash, that'll be bashrc
23:06<jthill>to do it without dups, .. sec
23:07<AgentC>DK2.0.172: for precompiled windows executables sdl.dll must be somewhere in path
23:07<jthill>http://pastebin.com/7iJ7kzuf
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23:07<Some_Person>jthill: Just shove that at the end of ~/.bashrc?
23:07<jthill>bingo
23:07<Some_Person>thank you
23:08<jthill>do, if you love me, dig through the manpage to see what that's doing
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23:09<Some_Person>It's quite obvious: if path is defined, and doesn't contain /usr/sbin, it adds it to the end. Same thing for /sbin
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23:09<Some_Person>something like that
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23:10<jthill>yah, I was referring to the mechanics, how the substitution works, what the options are
23:10<Some_Person>Except I've got a syntax error: "bash: /home/sam/.bashrc: line 102: syntax error near unexpected token `then'" and "bash: /home/sam/.bashrc: line 102: `check=:$PATH: if test ${check%:/usr/sbin:*} = $check ; then '"
23:10<jthill>and while you're in the bash manpage you can see what else it does
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23:11<jthill>say what? I snipped that straight from my .bashrc
23:12<jthill>I cut and paste it to my shell it works
23:12<Some_Person>sorry, pastefail
23:12<Some_Person>I'm using Epiphany, and it has copy/paste issues
23:12<twb>Some_Person: #bash on Freenode?
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23:21<AgentC>when i do an update to squeeze next month with editing aptsources.list and aptget update/upgrade, is there a risk to loose configurations in case of source-changes or something else ?
23:24*AgentC smiles about http://mitlab.de/gfx/ethernet_cable.jpg
23:25<sney>there's always a risk, but the worst that'll happen is the config directory gets moved or the new version doesn't understand the old config style. you could back up /etc to be sure
23:26<sney>there are some big changes between lenny and squeeze so it's not a trivial upgrade, I'd almost recommend just backing up /home and doing a clean install
23:27<Some_Person>AgentC: What kind of plug is that?
23:29<sney>the kind you shouldn't use, unless you want a fried NIC or blown fuse
23:29<AgentC>sney: my /home dir is separate partition, but i see would be a good idea to make a sysbackup before upgrading...
23:29<sney>the joke answer would be "homePNA"
23:30<Some_Person>foreign power outlet plug?
23:30<jthill>do a hundred upgrades, one of them is sure to hose another partition.
23:30<jthill>it could be the first of the hundred
23:31<jthill>oooh, yeah. plug power straight to your nic
23:31<AgentC>i made the home dir to a separate partion cause i got syscrashes in past, on this way at least the configuration and mailarchives stays after a syscrash
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23:32<jthill>and you have someplace to go if your rootfs gets just mildly borked, you can tar-pipe it across and pivot_root
23:32<AgentC>also backing up /etc to an tgz archive somerwhere else on fileserv is a good idea to do as crontab entry
23:33<jthill>home is actually where I keep my root backup too
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23:36<AgentC>jthill: on my serv i've a datadisk for fileserv-archive, one disk for home and one disk for ONLYSYSTEM files....
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23:36<AgentC>jthill: fileserv-arc is hosted by samba to all other clients
23:37<jthill>yah, this is my home system, I just want an avail backup to boot from
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23:39<AgentC>jthill: yeah, i hold that idea too, i buy a 1TB harddisk for upgrade hardware, the old 120GB will be a backupdisk for the system after hw-reconfig
23:39<AgentC>jthill: maybe in 1 week the new disk is here.
23:39<Some_Person>I hate compiling
23:40<jthill>haven't needed that, yet.
23:40<AgentC>Some_Person: theres more you can compile ;-)
23:41<jthill>Some_Person: sounds like you'd prefer Gentoo to debian.
23:41<jthill>jkjkjkjk
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23:41<AgentC>jthill: how fast it is possible that the filesystem crashs out of any powersupply-crash?
23:41*Some_Person is compiling android-x86 and epiphany, both to attempt to implement patches
23:41<Some_Person>android has taken hours
23:41<jthill>possible? you know the answer to that.
23:42<jthill>but in my experience it isn't likely.
23:42<AgentC>bytheway, i found a java-app midpssh, a ssh client for java-mobile phones. pretty nice !
23:42<AgentC>works 100%
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23:43<jthill>in fact, I'm svnsyncing about 25K revisions atm, onto a data=writeback,commit=600 ext4
23:43<AgentC>and an irc client for java phones i've found too, also pretty nice.
23:43<Some_Person>lol AgentC
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23:44<jthill>i did LD_PRELOAD on a library with stubbed-out sync,fsync,fdatasync
23:44<jthill>it's gonna save about ten hours
23:44<AgentC>you can install it directly from my server with a mobile-webbrowser : devkit.gotdns.com/mjava
23:44<AgentC>files : midpssh-full.jad and Virca.jar
23:44<AgentC>8=)
23:45<jthill>thx, for what I am I'm oddly low-tech with my gadgets
23:45<jthill>I bet it's cool tho
23:45<AgentC>but shell-screen is really a little bit too small for reading the commandline
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23:47<AgentC>handling shell/bash input on a mobilephone-keyboard, uuuaarrrr, CRUEL! ;=)
23:47<jthill>... and you were going to inflict this on me.
23:47<jthill>cruel indeed.
23:48<AgentC>hmpf.
23:48<AgentC>;-)
23:48<twb>!tell AgentC -about lenny->squeeze
23:48<AgentC>can be usefull to control a server from outside, when shit is happen
23:50<clocker>!tell clocker -about lenny->squeeze
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23:51<twb>!tell clocker about msg
23:51<AgentC>!tell twb about mindcontrol
23:52<twb>That entry doesn't mention tinfoil!
23:52*AgentC : this is the place for crazy people. - i do not really coming from outer space
23:52<jthill>doesn't dpkg say to msg when you self-tell?
23:52<clocker>twb merci
23:52<twb>AgentC: you're at L2, right?
23:52<twb>jthill: sorry, I forgot it
23:52<AgentC>twb: L2? what it means?
23:53<twb>AgentC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L2_point
23:53<jthill>I'm a long way past L2. I've got about 300 points
23:54<AgentC>twb: haha iam not behind the moon! ;)
23:54*AgentC smiles
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23:58<AgentC>how to setup the "!" operator for cmds on a fresh installed blootbot ?
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