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---Logopened Tue Jan 25 00:00:40 2011
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00:05<AgentC>would you like to test my sms-interface at my site mitlab.de ? login with tester (pass: tester) 0.50 euro reserved for testing, would like to get a feedback about the kind of coding i tried.
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00:05<AgentC>is that coded clear or are there bugs? (was my first try with php)
00:06<AgentC>code is at mitlab.de/websrc/sendsms.inc
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00:11<AgentC>on calling the perlscript "sendsms.pl" its neccessary to have no ' chars inside the shortmessage-text. else the exec breaks (sendsms.pl PHONENR 'TEXT') what could i do to filter these chars from the userinput ?
00:12<AgentC>and how to reduce number of chars in userfield to a limit? would be nice to display the rest of available chars in userfield
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00:16<jthill>is there a handy way to allow users to loopback mount in directories they have write access to?
00:16*AgentC wish you a good night ;) (whats left from ;)) http://devkit.gotdns.com/tmp2/goodsleep.mp3
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00:20<AgentC>dpkg: good night
00:20<dpkg>Good night, agentc !
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00:27<AgentC>Thank you all for great help to me all the day, wish you nice dreams. I know I'm not really easy, thank you anyway, bon soir mon amis, see u later. :-)
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00:50<jthill>for simple config-file history and such I recently started using just rcs, it seems so easy to use casually. I plan to keep it simple, is there some subtle (or glaring) major inconvenience down this road?
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01:40<AgentC>my server reject the mp3.file, i fixed it, avail under http://devkit.gotdns.com/tmp2/goodsleep.mp3 for now
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03:07<cmot>Yodel!
03:07<cmot>Anyobdy ever worked with omeka?
03:08<cmot>It's (supposedly?) Free, but there's no Debian package in the archive.
03:08<cmot>(it's a web publishing thingy)
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03:58<zaiphooh>Hi! When I log into the system and enter my password, it takes up to two minutes for the system to let me in. The same when I use sudo etc. Everything else works fine while sudo thinks. The problem does not occur when the machine is disconnected from the corporate LAN. What can it be?
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03:59<rmrfchik>zaiphooh: dns
04:01<zaiphooh>rmrfchik: It may be right. When installing Debian on my working machine, I answered positive to something like "add the machine to the corporate domain". I suppose the machine now asks some central server for the permission to log into domain, and it answers "no" after a timeout. How can I reconfigure the system to not to try to log into the domain?
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04:01<twb>zaiphooh: something in nsswitch isn't responding
04:01<cmot>zaiphooh: might be samba, too
04:01<twb>zaiphooh: could be dns, could be nis/ldap
04:02<cmot>zaiphooh: look what the "passwd", "shadow" and "groups" lines in /etc/nsswitch.conf say
04:02<twb>zaiphooh: pastebint output of grep -nHv '^[[:space:]]*(#|$)' /etc/pam.d/common*
04:02<twb>zaiphooh: pastebint output of grep -nHv '^[[:space:]]*(#|$)' /etc/pam.d/common* /etc/nsswitch.conf
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04:07<zaiphooh>cmot: http://pastebin.com/uFQ5h9B9
04:10<zaiphooh>twb: http://pastebin.com/9YYxPj4c
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04:10<twb>zaiphooh: that's not what I asked for
04:10<twb>Somehow you managed to include all the comments
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04:11<jm_>files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 looks suspicious
04:11<twb>jm_: that's normal, if horribly annoying
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04:11<twb>avahi or something puts that crap in there
04:11<zaiphooh>twb: I entered exactly grep -nHv '^[[:space:]]*(#|$)' /etc/pam.d/common* /etc/nsswitch.conf
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04:12<jm_>twb: NOTFOUND=return is normal?
04:12<twb>jm_: yeah, I think so
04:12<twb>jm_: it applies only to the mdns4_minimal check, you realize
04:12<twb>zaiphooh: urk, you're right
04:13<twb>zaiphooh: oops, it should be egrep
04:13<twb> thushttp://paste.debian.net/105611/
04:13<zaiphooh>output of egrep: http://pastebin.com/RqyQxjFU
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04:14<jm_>twb: then what's the point of NOTFOUND=return if it only applies to that entry?
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04:15<twb>jm_: so when mdsns4_minimal returns NXDOMAIN, it tries dns instead, I guess
04:15<twb>I'm not an mdns expert
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04:16<twb>zaiphooh: your pam settings look fucked up
04:16<twb>zaiphooh: I think pam_krb5 lines should look more like the pam_unix and pam_winbind ones
04:16<zaiphooh>twb: in what sense?
04:17<jm_>twb: as far as I know, return means it doesn't try other entries specified
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04:17<twb>jm_: hum
04:17<twb>jm_: I'm not an nsswitch expert either :-)
04:17<jm_>twb: no, you are right, it does work like you said it seems
04:17<twb>zaiphooh: was this system working before?
04:18<twb>zaiphooh: are the samba, as and kdc servers all up and responsive?
04:18<twb>zaiphooh: is NTP syncing correctly?
04:18<jm_>twb: ahh crap, not documented in Linux, but on Solaris says: if NOTFOUND is returned, return to the caller, so I guess this mdns4_minimal is OK as long as it too can query dns etc.
04:18<twb>jm_: it's documented in info IIRC
04:18<zaiphooh>twb: No, I suppose it was working like that from the beginning.
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04:19<twb>zaiphooh: you might also try a find / -xdev \( -nouser -o -nogroup \) -ls
04:19<zaiphooh>twb: NTP syncs correctly. Don't know about Samba, AS and KDC, have no idea where those servers are.
04:20<twb>zaiphooh: you can find out by reading your own /etc
04:20<twb>Or SRV records, I guess
04:20<jm_>twb: ok I think I get your point, if mdns4_minimal is unavailable, it continues with dns, but if it returns NOTFOUND, it's done
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04:21<twb>jm_: ya
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04:21<twb>I guess then mdns4_minimal only returns for 169.thingy/24
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04:37<zaiphooh>twb: I see no configuration files for anything that called KDC or AS. Samba has empty dhcp.conf.
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04:47<zaiphooh>twb: I found out that the problem does not occur in one more situation: when I am logged into VPN. It seems that some server in the usual LAN gets the request, thinks in a couple of minutes, and only then answers.
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05:44<AgentC>:) was a short night ;)
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06:14<AgentC>autosend sms by script through sipgate : http://paste.debian.net/105618/
06:14<AgentC>all you need is a sipgate-account, costs per sms 7.9 cent per 160 chars
06:15<AgentC>ideal for phonemessage on automatisation.
06:15<AgentC>:-)
06:17<AgentC>for checking amount of your account you need this : http://paste.debian.net/105619/
06:20<AgentC>dpkg sipgatesms is autosend sms by script through sipgate : http://paste.debian.net/105618/ all you need is a sipgate-account, ideal for phonemessage on automatisation. for checking amount of your account you need this : http://paste.debian.net/105619/
06:20<dpkg>okay, AgentC
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06:23<AgentC>dpkg sipgatesms is also _(this is a temp. bot entry expires in 72 hours from 12:20 @ 25.01.2011)
06:23<dpkg>okay, AgentC
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07:20<oskie>anyone know what happened to the visual options in 'joe'? now ctrl+t just gives you a prompt "Option:"?!
07:21<AgentC>dpkg joe
07:21<dpkg>The LAST ULTIMATE EDITOR, BETTER THAN ALL
07:21<AgentC>;-) dunno
07:21<oskie>I believe joe was at one point the default debian editor
07:22<AgentC>i like that more then vi, but mainly i use mcedit from the mc package
07:22<AgentC>or gedit
07:22<berto>joe is so 90s :)
07:22<berto>but it's great, I still use it
07:23<babilen>oskie: No idea, never used it, never will, but http://joe-editor.sourceforge.net/ might contain pointer where to ask/who to contact or even documenation that describes the bahaviour. (I know that you could have googled it yourself, but meh)
07:23<babilen>*behaviour
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07:24<oskie>"never used it, never will" <- are you an emacs user?! :)
07:24<berto>oskie: what version are you using? it works fine here
07:24<berto>(3.7-2)
07:24<oskie>berto: same here - perhaps it's my joerc or something? or my terminal? weird.
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07:25<babilen>oskie: vim fwiw
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07:25<berto>oskie: probably, I don't think joe has changed much -if any- in the last years
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07:26*AgentC puts a temp info for sending sms by sipgate into the bot (see sipgatesms) there are scripts as pastes for programming the sipgate-interface-API
07:26<babilen>general advice: start joe without any kind of user configuration and test the defaults
07:26*AgentC 's pastes expire in less then 70 hours.
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07:31<oskie>berto: ah, it was the joerc file... actually I think it is still being actively developed, and there has been many changes
07:31<berto>oskie: my changelog says no
07:31<berto>Thu Jul 20 15:23:23 EDT 2006
07:31<berto>if there are new versions, they're not in debian
07:32<berto>well... http://joe-editor.sourceforge.net/changelog.html
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07:33<berto>(i have to go, bbl)
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07:35<oskie>oh.. no new version for 2 years
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08:17<drone77>argh, i have an incorrectly (it would appear) folder name: Blue Öyster Cult . How do i acess/rename the damn thing?
08:17<sret>hi drone77
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08:18<sret>right click renname?
08:18<drone77>sret: yo
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08:18<drone77>sret: i have no filemanager ;)
08:18<petemc>does mv not work?
08:18<petemc>try mv -- Blue..
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08:19<themill>tab completion ftw
08:19<sret>mv should work then drone77
08:19<drone77>themill: tab completion gets stuck at Blue\
08:19<babilen>I don't quite see why that would constitute an incorrect directory name
08:19<themill>drone77: you presumably have other filenames that start with that prefix
08:19<babilen>just escape the " " with \
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08:20<drone77>themill: no
08:20<babilen>drone77: just curious, but what is wrong with that name?
08:20<drone77>babilen, mv: cannot stat `Blue Öyster Cult/': No such file or directory
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08:20<drone77>themill: nope
08:21<babilen>drone77: Try: mv Blue\ Öyster\ Cult whatever_you_want_to_call_it
08:21<drone77>babilen: tried that
08:21<themill>wfm... odd
08:22<sret>maybe you need to give in the path??
08:22<sret>mv blue oyster cult /path/newname here?
08:22<drone77>themill: it did it before with the same character, I ended up with two folders called RÖyksopp in the same dir
08:22<babilen>drone77: you tried that and what was the result?
08:23<babilen>drone77: It works without a problem over here
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08:23<drone77>babilen: ^ said just before you mentioned the command
08:23<drone77>babilen: ls shows it as Blue ?yster Cult
08:23<drone77>wth
08:24*themill would like to see the output and the commands in a pastebin
08:24<babilen>me too
08:24<drone77>ok fixed it...
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08:24<drone77>babilen: mv Blue\ ?yster\ Cult "Blue Oyster Cult"
08:24<drone77>themill: ^
08:24<sret>lol
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08:25<sret>you had to type it as ? ?
08:25<babilen>drone77: What is wrong with "Blue Öyster Cult" don't you like umlauts?
08:25<themill>encoding fail
08:25<Raaku>good morning!
08:25<drone77>yeah, weird...
08:25<sret>thats weird
08:25<sret>debian should pick up characters like that
08:25<drone77>babilen: no, i just dislike freaking encoding things garph
08:26<babilen>sret: It works without a problem here. (chinese, arabic, korean as well)
08:26<drone77>babilen: i was originally trying to cp the folder to a usb, but couldn't stat it
08:26<themill>sret: no, debian has done a huge amount of work over the years allowing people to use their own character sets in programs
08:26<sret>babilen, themill i would think so
08:27<drone77>anyways, babilen themill, cheers
08:28<babilen>o/
08:28<sret>so drone77 how did you replace it finally? you just typed " ? " ?
08:28<drone77>sret: i used ? instead of umlaut character
08:29<sret>heh
08:30<sret>how do i use perl to do a one line fuction like grep?
08:31<ansgar>sret: perl -e. Die Ausgabe von perl -h ist auch hilfreich.
08:31<babilen>drone77: which locale do you use?
08:31<ansgar>sret: Oh, ELANG. perl -e, see also the output from perl -h.
08:31<babilen>:-D
08:31<drone77>babilen: en_GB.UTF-8
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08:32<babilen>drone77: that should be fine (i use the same) -- can you actually work now with file/directory names like "Blue Öyster Cult" ?
08:33<babilen>drone77: Does 'touch Blue\ Öyster\ Cult ; ls ; rm Blue\ Öyster\ Cult' work without problem?
08:34<drone77>babilen: yeah that worked fine...
08:35<sret>ansgar: thanks
08:35<sret>!ansgar++
08:35<sret>ansgar: $ (echo a ; echo b ; echo c) | perl -e "a"
08:35<sret>im looking through perl -h
08:35<sret>not working
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08:37<drone77>babilen: the filename having the unicode at the beginning instead of the umlaut, would that do it?
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08:38<babilen>drone77: the problem was some encoding failure, i was just curious if you could, in fact, work with files with names like this
08:39<drone77>babilen: yeah, just curious about the encoding issue
08:39<ansgar>sret: Umm, "a" is not an interesting perl program.
08:39<babilen>well, the file is gone now :)
08:40<rpetre>sret: cat file | perl -e 'print if /^bla/'
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08:40<drone77>true, back to work. cheers
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08:40<sret>'a' is just a string.. so i want it to just return the string that matches 'a'
08:40<rpetre>'print if /a/', then
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08:41<rpetre>sorry
08:41<rpetre>it's perl -ne 'print if //'
08:42<rpetre>-n makes it iterate through stdin
08:42<sret>yay
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08:42<sret>thanks
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08:42<rpetre>you may want to read perldoc perlrun and look at -n, -p and -a
08:42<sret>was helping a friend, i know shitall about perl:P
08:43<rpetre>then, have your friend read that :)
08:43<sret>yep done:P
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08:43<rpetre>(-n and -p basically wrap your code in while(<>) { ...your code here ... } )
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08:44<sret>yeah i think he got it now
08:44<sret>thanks
08:44<sret>:D
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08:45<sret>i guess im bringing him over to oftc
08:45*AgentC created mailinglist for devkit v2 project, coming in 24 hours
08:45<sret>he finds another server's linux channel not as quite productive:P
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08:46<sret>rpetre: what about perl -e 'open FILE,"filename"; while <FILE> { print if (/blah/); } close FILE;'
08:46<sret>?
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08:47<rpetre>imo if you want to do somthing a tad more complicated, you're better off writing a .pl file
08:47<rpetre>and i think it should be open FILE, '<', "filename" :)
08:48<sret>ok thanks
08:49<sret>isnt < implied there?
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08:49<rpetre>not sure, and when working with files, "not sure" is not what you want :)
08:49<monitor>oi
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08:50<sret>heh
08:50<sret>i think he gets it
08:50<rpetre>also, 3-args version of open is safer if you're not sure that you filename begins with > or such
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08:51<rpetre>also, <> is magic, since it operates on @ARGV assuming you gave it filenames
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08:52<rpetre>perl -ne 'print if /foo/' file1 file2 file3 -> does what you'd expect
08:52<monitor>oi
08:53<sret>rpetre: i tihnk he thanks you dide, he thinks he learnt something lol
08:53<rpetre>irc.perl.org/#perl-help is also maybe a bit more on-topic for this, rather than #debian :)
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08:53<sret>yeah i was asking on behalf of him though:P
08:54<ezetreal>can anyone help me chroot into a debian installation from mint10 ? I'd like to be able to install packages on debian using apt-get... I don't know what i need to --bind to get that to work...
08:54<rpetre>ezetreal: probably /proc
08:54<sret>rpetre: either way ive converted a frenode user to oftc
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08:55<rpetre>ezetreal: i stand corrected. mount -t proc proc /chroot/proc ; mount -o remount,bind /dev /chroot/dev ; chroot /chroot
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08:56<rpetre>(and you probably don't need /dev anyway)
08:56<ezetreal>rpetre: wow. thanks :) cani know where the correction came from so fast ?
08:57<rpetre>myself :) i typed before thinking :)
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08:57<ezetreal>rpetre: oh :) then i guess i'll have to query you some more if you don't mind :)
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08:58<rpetre>meh, i'm only throwing an eye here form time to time, there are others way more in the know than me, just ask and wait :)
08:59<ezetreal>rpetre: any chance you could point me to a good tutorial or explain briefly what each step does ?
09:00<glavanway>Each step of what?
09:00<rpetre>i think dpkg has a factoid for this, but i can;t find it
09:00<rpetre>glavanway: rescue chrooting :)
09:01<glavanway>Right on, I was hoping maybe it was something I could help with, but it's not.
09:01<glavanway>Good luck
09:02<ezetreal>rpetre: actually it's not exactly a rescue :)... i installed a debian base system from a netinst disk and couldn't get the network running, manually or dhcp. so i ended up with many missing dependencies that i don't think i'd be able to get through with .debs...
09:02<ezetreal>glavanway: thx anyway :)
09:03<glavanway>You can't use a regular Debina CD/DVD and get the repos from there?
09:03<rpetre>ezetreal: if the system doesn't have anything really important on it, why don't you try reinstalling properly?
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09:04<rpetre>(after you fix your network, of course :)
09:04<ezetreal>rpetre: i tried several times, the first time dhcp worked but then the installation got interrupted. on my next attempts dhcp and the network in general just didn't want to work...
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09:07<glavanway>If the installation failed before it finished I wouldn't bang my head against it. You don't know what's there what's not and what it thinks is there but is not, and worst of all what there but just not working.
09:07<ezetreal>rpetre: i've obviously gone wrong somewhere. just don't know how to fix it... i like to put myself in over my head and dig my way out :) good way to learn....i was initially doing all that to install fluxbox instead of gnome, kde, lxde or xfce which are proposed...
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09:07<rpetre>ezetreal: well, a "good way to learn" is also not biting more than you can chew
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09:08<ezetreal>glavanway: i reformatted and restarted the install with no luck.and here on mint things are still working
09:08<rpetre>start by figuring out what's wrong with your network and then do a reinstall
09:08<rpetre>(and i don't think i can really help you with that, sadly)
09:08<glavanway>What do you mean by "and restarted the install with no luck"
09:09<ezetreal>glavanway: rebooted into the dvd
09:09<glavanway>Your network is down?
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09:10<ezetreal>glavanway: no, it's just not getting configured by the installer or even manually.
09:11<glavanway>When you edit /etc/network/interfaces *properly* it still doesn't work?
09:12<glavanway>I had that happen once on a system where I had two NICs. It acted like it didn't detect or configure either one.
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09:14<ezetreal>glavanway: i've been meaning to learn more about chrooting, i guess i'll focus on the network instead. Thanks a lot glavanway and rpetre
09:14<glavanway>Sorry not more helpful
09:14<ezetreal>glavanway: no worries !
09:14<glavanway>I have little experience in chrooting but lots in being chrooted.
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09:16<rpetre>ezetreal: usually you need /proc mounted in the chroot for network access
09:17<rpetre>and /dev only if you want to do stuff on the physical devices (like reinstalling the bootloader)
09:18<ezetreal>rpetre: thanks, i'll start there with google :)
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09:28<Raaku>y would my script started from inittab not have the same permissions as when i kill the process and start again
09:29<Raaku>its drivin me batty
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09:31<crc>I can connect to network machines from within a chroot without /proc mounted
09:31<crc>ifconfig works also
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09:34<Xelon>italian?
09:34<petemc>!it
09:34<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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09:41<Raaku>anybody can help
09:41<Raaku>??
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09:44<zumbi_>Raaku: does not inittab call scripts under /ect/rcX.d/?
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09:51<AgentC>babilen: how to realize an blootbot recognize !keyword in a channel ?
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09:52<leonardo_>hello
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09:56<Raaku>it is starting from an inittab entry
09:56<Raaku>but for some reason it's on a tty
09:57<Raaku>i don't know if that has anything to do with it
09:57<Raaku>but when i log in via ssh i kill the process
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09:57<Raaku>and start again
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09:57<Raaku>and it works as it should
09:57<Raaku>only difference on ps aux
09:57<Raaku>is the tty
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09:59<awojak>allegro.pl/dell-poweredge-2650-okazja-bez-ceny-minimalnej-i1420334955.html
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10:05<Jarolito>hola
10:05<Jarolito>adios
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10:29<kop>!es
10:29<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:39<knoppix_>hez
10:39-!-knoppix_ is now known as Guest1588
10:39<Guest1588>help
10:40<Guest1588>help for knoppix.. anz channel or ideea_
10:40<Guest1588>help for knoppix.. anz channel or ideea_
10:41<kop>!knoppix
10:41<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
10:42<Guest1588>ok i go to #knoppix
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10:42<kop>Guest1588: on irc.freenode.net
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10:42<Guest1588>ok 10 x
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10:45<Guest1588>how can i connect on irc.freenode.net.... give me the command
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10:46<Guest1588>how can i connect on irc.freenode.net.... give me the command
10:46<babilen>Guest1588: /connect irc.freenode.net
10:46<petemc>Guest1588: /connect irc.freenode.net
10:46<babilen>Guest1588: followed by "/join #knoppix" once you are connected
10:47<babilen>!irc tutorial
10:47<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html . See also "The IRC Prelude": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html
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10:48<Guest1588>one more question..
10:48<Guest1588>mz irc client is in german language
10:49<Guest1588>mz irc client is in german language
10:49<Guest1588>can i make it in englesh_
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10:54<user01>when it says 5th or 6th, does this mean 5th for north america, 6th for australia?
10:55<user01>i was going to organize a debian superbowl party on the 6th but i would need to know in advance when i could download everything for installs
10:55<user01>maybe valentines weekend would be better
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11:13<bighornram>I've installed pptp on lenny. PON works when run as root or SU. Errors to add normal user to "dip" group when executed as normal user. I added normal user to dip group but now connection fails at CHAP authentication when pon executed as normal user. How do you enable CHAP authentication for normal users
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11:22<babilen>bighornram: just to confirm: it works well as root, just not for normal users?
11:22<bighornram>babilen: correct
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11:23<babilen>which error do you get?
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11:31<bighornram>http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=hJkBk1Jc
11:32<bighornram>I actually don't get an error. The connection happens but then drops. When I execute as root the CHAP authentication is what happens and the connection authenticates.
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11:37<bighornram>babilen: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=hJkBk1Jc
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11:39<babilen>yeah, i've seen that
11:39<C-Otto>hi.
11:40<zlatan>hi...I deleted my xorg.conf file and now I don't have it...how to get it back??
11:40<babilen>zlatan: which debian version?
11:40<C-Otto>i have severe problems assembling my mdadm-raid1 when booting, after upgrading to squeeze. recreating mdadm.conf inside busybox with the new kernel does not help. any hints?
11:40<babilen>zlatan: And are you sure that you need one?
11:41<babilen>bighornram: Hmm, no idea right now. I'll look into the docs and bugs and let you know when something pops into my mind.
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11:41<bighornram>babilen: appreciate that. seems to just fail without an error message.
11:41<zlatan>babilen:I had it-don't know if I need it. Debian squeeze is the version
11:41<C-Otto>mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 works in busybox, but there is no automatically created raid array
11:43<babilen>zlatan: xorg configuration is typically handled automatically. Try it without a xorg.conf and check if it is working the way you want it to. If you need one run "X -configure :1" (if a X server is running) or just "X -configure" if not
11:43<zlatan>babilen:I installed liquorix kernel and screen resolution wasn't good so I tried to change manually xorg.conf but it failed so I deleted it to get back into
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11:44<babilen>zlatan: Sorry, we can't support liquorix kernels in here. They might have their own channel somewhere. You can set your resolution with *randr (e.g. arandr, xrandr, grandr) tools
11:45<babilen>bighornram: I wonder why the process is terminated with signal 15 (TERMINATE) ...
11:46<zlatan>babilen:I have regular kernels and now am in one because I couldn't change screen resolution..but in regular kernel there is now missing xorg.conf too
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11:47<bighornram>I have it set as a persistant connection so it keeps attempting to reconnect. I did ^c to stop it. Then the following is executed with sudo and connects correctly
11:48<babilen>zlatan: As I said. You don't necessarily need a xorg.conf as Xorg configures itself automagically these days. If you want one, generate it with the commands I gave you. use *randr to set resolution and active displays
11:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 475] by debhelper
11:49<zlatan>babilen:okay.It seems working without it :).Thanks...really thanks :) I appreciate help.
11:49<babilen>zlatan: no problem
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11:50<babilen>bighornram: what is the output of "groups" ? (just checking)
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11:53<bighornram>babilen: gives me "mynormalusername" and dips
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11:53<babilen>dips?
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11:55<babilen>bighornram: Could you paste the *exact* output please? (anonymised if you want)
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11:55<bighornram>babilen: dip. This was the original error given, add user to dip group.
11:56<babilen>ok - just wanted to confirm, because you said "dips"
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11:56<bighornram>babilen: yea saw that sorry
11:56<bighornram>babilen: what output would you like to see?
11:56<babilen>no problem
11:57<babilen>i just wanted to check if you are indeed a member of the "dip" group ..
11:58<bighornram>babilen: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=egG2EWD4
11:59<babilen>yeah, i believe(d) you :)
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12:01<babilen>bighornram: you've done all the configuration in /etc/ppp, set a default provider, and execute "pon" as user? If so, could you add "set -e" in /usr/bin/pon on the second line, run it again and paste the output?
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12:02<babilen>bighornram: err, make that "set -x"
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12:05<bighornram>inside the while statement or after #!/bin/sh?
12:05<babilen>just after the shebang
12:05<babilen>I mean, in the line after "#!/bin/sh"
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12:06<babilen>not "#!set-x/bin/sh" (but i guess you figured that out as well)
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12:13<bighornram>babilen: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=uPh24s1B
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12:15<babilen>bighornram: ok, remove the "set -x" -- what happens if you do "/usr/sbin/pppd call ipredator" ? (as user and root?) I think it'll work as root, but not as user, correct?
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12:20<bighornram>babilen: correct, It connects when executed as sudo but same failure as normal user.
12:21*babilen wonders what happens there.
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12:22<babilen>bighornram: /etc/ppp/peers belongs to root:dip doesn't it?
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12:23<babilen>and /etc/ppp/peers/provider too?
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12:26<agatewood>Hi, trying to install debian squeeze on a 4 drive raid 10 on 2TB drives. For some reason gurb will not install on the drives.
12:27<bighornram>babilen: I have a file in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d and /etc/ppp/ip-down.d bringing up a program but just commented out the line in each and still won't work.
12:27<babilen>bighornram: what about the permissions i just asked about?
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12:30<retrospectacus>agatewood: you have fakeraid?
12:30<retrospectacus>!fakeraid
12:30<dpkg>[fakeraid] a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid
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12:31<bighornram>babilen: -rw-r--r-- 1 root dip 237 2011-01-14 05:43 ipredator
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12:31<babilen>bighornram: same for /etc/ppp/peers ?
12:31<agatewood>retrospectacus: using mdadm in the Debian installer
12:32<bighornram>babilen: -rw-r----- 1 root dip 1093 2011-01-04 18:06 provider
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12:32<babilen>no, the directory -- whats the group of /etc/ppp/peers?
12:33<babilen>(and permissions)
12:33<bighornram>babilen: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Y6KLi4eZ
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12:33<babilen>bighornram: I mean "ls -l /etc/ppp/"
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12:34<babilen>but it looks fine so far
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12:35<bighornram>babilen: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=iEF7jrf3
12:35<retrospectacus>agatewood: how are you trying to install grub and how is it not working?
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12:37<babilen>bighornram: ok, wonderful -- could you run "strace /usr/sbin/pppd call ipredator" as root and as your user and paste it (try as your user first and let me have a look)
12:39<agatewood>retsospectacus: when the installer gets to the point where it whats to in install grub on /dev/sda, I get an Error saying "Unable to install GRUB in /dev/sda Executing 'gurb-install /dev/sada' failed"
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12:41<bighornram>babilen: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Pc9c8e4S
12:42<agatewood>retrospectacus: I just realized that I didn't set a partition for "Reserved BIOS boot area". sorry for bothering you.
12:42<retrospectacus>agatewood, sda is part of your md isn't it. I don't really know how to solve that but someone here might..
12:42<retrospectacus>oh, hmmm k so it workds with that?
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12:43<Unmenschlich>oh wow, squeeze will be released?
12:44<Unmenschlich>can't believe it
12:44<sret>when?
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12:44<babilen>february 5/6 is expected
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12:44<babilen>!wwsr
12:44<dpkg>The squeeze release is planned for the weekend of 5th/6th February. http://lists.debian.org/20110118193635.GC4061@halon.org.uk . There are still some <release critical> bugs to fix, so help is still welcome. Ask me about <squeeze pool> to see how well people guessed the release date.
12:44<babilen>bighornram: Oh, thank you. "/usr/sbin/pppd: must be root to run /usr/sbin/pppd, since it is not setuid-root"
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12:45<babilen>that's just a message, don't set it suid root ... just wanted to point it out
12:45<agatewood>retrospectacus: about to test it now.
12:45<bighornram>babilen: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=qruPjVH3
12:46<sret> babilen wow
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12:46<sret>thats around the corner
12:46<sret>like 10 days from now
12:46<sret>lol
12:46<sret>well i guess i have to upgrade
12:47<prahal>hi somebody using epiphany from experimental could test https://google.com ?
12:47<prahal>seems there is a bug in libsoup from experimental which this package depends upon
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12:48<prahal>ie every https sites fails with "SSL handshake failed"
12:49<babilen>bighornram: thank you -- what is the output of 'ls -l /usr/sbin/|grep -e "pppd$"' /
12:49<babilen>sret: You could wait until it is released. But that was more or less the reason why i suggested to install squeeze
12:49<prahal>it could be that my local glib matters that s why I am asking (ie I fix bugs upstream thus I have /usr/local filled with glib related stuff from upstream
12:50<sret>babilen: yeha imgonna wait:P
12:50<sret>so long as the upgrade isnt going to be painful
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12:51<bighornram>babilen: -bash: ls -l /usr/sbin/|grep -e "pppd$": No such file or directory
12:52<babilen>bighornram: huh? -- could you paste "ls -l /usr" and "ls -l /usr/sbin" ?
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12:53*babilen scratches head --- run the ls -l /usr/sbin/|grep -e "pppd$" command too and put it all in the same pastebin
12:53<babilen>(with commands)
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12:53<babilen>i'm out for a cigarrette ... brb
12:53<bighornram>babilen: -rwsr-xr-- 1 root dip 269156 2008-11-28 10:48 pppd
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12:57<bighornram>babilen: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=JmiGA0Q2
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12:58<ballison>time for a newbie question: I have a dpkg that has a single typo in the post install script. I want to fix that type. How do I get the dpkg, extract it, and then repackage it?
12:58<ballison>all my google searchs take me to maintaining debian packages ... blargh
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13:00<retrospectacus>ballison: you want to: apt-get source <package> then cd <package><tab> (?) make your edit... then dpkg-buildpackage I think will create a .deb and dpkg -i that
13:00<retrospectacus>..... profit
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13:02<prahal>ballison, dpkg-deb
13:02<prahal>you have to extract both the control data and the files to a directory tree then build back the package
13:03<prahal>no experimental users :/ gasp gonna have to spend the night on this libsoup issue anyway
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13:05<ballison>retrospectacus: I don't have access to the "source" version of the package. that's why i was asking if there's a way to download the .deb and then extract it, fix it, and then rebuild it
13:05<ballison>when i try "apt-get source ****" I get an error that i have no sources in my sources.list
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13:05<ballison>i can only apt-get install the package
13:06<retrospectacus>ballison: you can add sources to your list or try dpkg-deb like prahal said
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13:07<retrospectacus>(to add sources simply duplicate your normal line(s) and change the first word from deb to deb-src)
13:07<ballison>like i said .. THERE IS NO SOURCE PACKAGE
13:07<retrospectacus>OOOOKKKKKK
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13:07<jhutchins_lt>ballison: So this isn't debian software?
13:07<ballison>these were hand created packages... totally prorpiatary .. there's no source package to get.
13:07<babilen>bighornram: ok, that looks all well. i have no idea what is wrong :-\ and wonder why pppd complains about not being suid root
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13:08<ballison>correct. homegrown - previous admin created.
13:08<jhutchins_lt>ballison: So total violation of the GPL.
13:08<prahal>dpkg-deb will do what you want . if I remind wel mkdir -p tmp/DEBIAN; dpkg-deb -x <youpackage.deb> tmp ; dpkg-deb -e <yourpackage_deb> tmp/DEBIAN; edit the posting in tmp/DEBIAN/... ; then dpkg-deb -b tmp/ <your_package_name.deb>
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13:08<ballison>prahal : is there a "apt-get install --download-only" type option?
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13:08<bighornram>babilen: hmm. well thanks for taking the time to help investigate.
13:09<ballison>jhutchins: not it. i didn't build these packages, i just have to figure out how to maintain them. And I come from the RedHat world...
13:09<prahal>apt-get -d install package
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13:11<ballison>prahal: says " is already the newest version." is there a cache directory where it keeps the raw .debs it installs?
13:11<prahal>/var/cache/apt/archives
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13:11<ballison>prahal: Thanks, i was looking in /var/lib
13:11<themill>aptitude download might be more convenient
13:11<prahal>depends on the setup of the box though (there could be a limit to the size of the cache
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13:14<ballison>prahal: I tried those steps you listed and nothing happened. nothin extracted into /tmp/DEBIAN
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13:15<prahal>I gave instructions for $(pwd)/tmp/DEBIAN not /tmp/DEBIAN
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13:17<prahal>ie <current directory while executing the command>/tmp/DEBIAN
13:17<ballison>if -x extracts what's -e do?
13:17<themill>!man dpkg-deb
13:17<dpkg>man dpkg-deb is probably at http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=dpkg-deb where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>.
13:17<ballison>nothing for -e in the man page
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13:18<ballison>themill: 1- nothing for "-e" in the man page, and 2- that URL on debian.net never returns.
13:18<themill>man page here contains information for -e and that url works....
13:19<themill>ballison: which version of debian is this? (which version of dpkg?)
13:20<ballison>so i want to extract the package to /tmp/foo and the control to /tmp/foo/DEBIAN ?
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13:21<retrospectacus>ballison: wherever you want of course. it's just an example
13:22<ballison>but for rebuilding the package it's going to look for DEBIAN to live outside the package?
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13:24<retrospectacus>inside. maybe just me but I thought it was lowercase too
13:24<prahal>no . the tree for the package to be rebuild is to look like /tmp/{DEBIAN,etc,usr,...} . DEBIAN/ holds the controls files (postinst etc) and the etc/ usr/ the data of the package
13:25<retrospectacus> /tmp/foo/{DEBIAN,etc,usr,...} ?
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13:29<Lantizia>Hey I'm packaging something that is a webapp but it comes with cli tools too... now i know webapps belong in /usr/share/app but where should I put the cli tools? (don't want them in /usr/bin as they're vaguely named)... perhaps /usr/app ?
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13:30<jordanm>Lantizia: you should probably rename the binaries so they are not so vaguely named
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13:31<jordanm>Lantizia: what webapp?
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13:32<Lantizia>jordanm, freepbx
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13:33<Lantizia>see my next question is... if my package only installs the framework of a webapp... so that it can grab it's own modules and update itself... does it belong in /opt or in the usual directories?
13:33<Lantizia>oh and it wouldn't be getting it's own modules/updating from the debian repo
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13:35<jordanm>Lantizia: packages should never install to /opt. grabbing its own modules is fine, but updating itself is not
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13:36<Lantizia>jordanm, well it's just crossover office installs to /opt (deb package but no repo)
13:36<jordanm>Lantizia: if it doesn't update itself through the package manager, how do you provide security support for those users?
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13:36<Lantizia>jordanm, we host the freepbx module repository ourselves
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13:36<jordanm>Lantizia: is your intention to upload this to the debian archives?
13:37<Lantizia>jordanm, no
13:37<jordanm>Lantizia: then it really doesn't matter what you do
13:37<Lantizia>debian has made it clear it does not want freepbx - have tried before
13:38<jordanm>Lantizia: I can see why, thats a nasty ToS
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13:39<Lantizia>jordanm, I'd still like to get the directories right even if it's just general good practice
13:39<Lantizia>at the moment i make htdocs and bin both in /usr/share/freepbx
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13:39<Lantizia>because the debian webapps guide allows a subdir for the web files
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13:39<jordanm>Lantizia: binaries should not go under /usr/share
13:40<Lantizia>but is a "bin" directory allowed under share - me think not lol
13:40<Lantizia>exactly
13:40<Lantizia>they're only php scripts - like the site is... but for cli
13:40<Lantizia>and i don't want to rename them as they'll be managed/updated by freepbx
13:40<jordanm>do those execute with a #!/usr/bin/php shebang?
13:41<jordanm>I am not sure I would even bother with a package. I would probably just roll out a tarball to /opt
13:41<Lantizia>indeed
13:42<jordanm>Lantizia: I am guessing this is for internal deployment? or upstream distribution?
13:42<Lantizia>we are automating how our phone systems are installed via this debian repo
13:42<Lantizia>one metapackage will grab what is needed
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13:42<evaluate>hello
13:43<Lantizia>so this freepbx-framework_2.8.0-0 package will just grab the framework-2.8.tar.gz off our freepbx repo
13:43<Lantizia>the framework is itself a module
13:43<Lantizia>maybe i should just call it freepbx-installer instead
13:43<evaluate>has anyone tried to copy binaries from debian-arm to android? Any idea if this might work?
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13:44<jordanm>evaluate: I would imagine you would have better luck with that in the android channel of freenode
13:44<Lantizia>evaluate, i can use armel packages from debian on my n900 - but then they're both debian based
13:45<evaluate>jordanm, already tried, didn't get any answer...
13:45<Lantizia>evaluate, try something small like axel... i ported the debian binary package of that to ipkg for a nas drive once
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13:45<evaluate>Lantizia, afain the n900 uses maemo, which isn't exactly like android (android also uses a different filesystem hierarchy than usual linux distributions)
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13:46<Lantizia>anroid need not follow any of the conventional rules since it is not gnu/linux
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13:47<evaluate>Lantizia, I may be awfully wrong, but afaik android uses a modified linux kernel...
13:47<Lantizia>still not gnu/linux
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13:48<evaluate>well, it's slightly modified and tweaked to work with their system, but yeah, it's not the "original" linux...
13:48<gruetzkopf>yay! got compiz to work
13:48<jordanm>their code was actually removed from upstream IIRC
13:48<Lantizia>http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html#justlinux
13:48<Lantizia>that explains what I mean
13:49<evaluate>Lantizia, ohh, you mean that it doesn't contain the usual utilities that come with "minimal" distributions?
13:50<Lantizia>i mean it doesn't come with any GNU utilities and libraries of any kind what so ever that is common to all "linux" distributions
13:50<evaluate>Lantizia, well, yeah. The original android doesn't really contain much of the linux userspace. I got busybox on mine, so I have the bare minimum, but I'd also like to try bash on it, or even an ssh daemon... :-)
13:51<Lantizia>you're looking at the wrong platform - android was never meant for that
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13:51<Lantizia>can continue in #debian-offtopic if you like
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13:51<evaluate>ok :-)
13:51<Lantizia>jordanm, so no more ideas on a good place for this extra bin dir?
13:52<Lantizia>maybe since my deb package doesn't actually contain the framework (just an installer) it can therefore go in /opt ?
13:52<jordanm>Lantizia: you could do something like flashplugin-nonfree
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14:00<harshn>alive, anyone?
14:00<Daemons>Hello
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14:00<Daemons>Can someone direct me to where I can get help regarding debian.wiki account and email??
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14:02<diepes>any recommendation on a easy to use IRC client ?
14:02<bartm>diepes, xchat of course
14:02<Nemoder_>diepes: xchat is fine, quassel is also good
14:02<MeglaW>irssi > all others
14:02<dvs>diepes: I don't use any. :-P
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14:03<diepes>dvs: Ok xchat it is, or nothing ...
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14:05<retrospectacus>!start an irc-client war
14:05<dpkg>MS Comic Chat owns!
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14:06<retrospectacus>fuck that dpkg, irssi ftw
14:06<dvs>!stupid bot
14:06<dpkg>no, stupid dvs
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14:06<dvs>*gasp*
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14:06<retrospectacus>!fruitsmite dvs
14:06*dpkg smites dvs with a truckload of pineapples
14:07<MeglaW>mmmm ms comic chat
14:07<retrospectacus>!start an irc client war
14:07<dpkg>mIRC will compromise your system!
14:07<sret>epic ftw
14:07<sret>:P
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14:07<MeglaW>next up, apple vs pc.
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14:08<Kiriost>holaa!
14:08<MeglaW>and after that, star wars vs star trek.
14:08<Kiriost>how are you men?
14:09<retrospectacus>Kiriost: pretty good, and you?
14:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 490] by debhelper
14:09<Kiriost>fine..thank
14:09<Kiriost>somebody like programming??
14:09<retrospectacus>how about that Debian? Pretty amazing I'd say.
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14:12<Kiriost>who programs in c
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14:13<Kiriost>i am looking for people to form a programming team
14:13<Raaku>arrrgghhh
14:13<Kiriost>:)
14:14<Raaku>y does the script work when run from userspace but not from rc2.d
14:14<Raaku>no matter what i do
14:14<Raaku>its the same
14:14<retrospectacus>Raaku, let's see it
14:14<retrospectacus>!paste
14:14<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
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14:15<Raaku>ok
14:16<Raaku>it has to do with SANE
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14:18<Raaku>http://pastebin.com/x1bkbYPF
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14:19<Raaku>so this script essentially was in inittab
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14:19<Raaku>8:2:wait:./flash
14:20<Raaku>no prob...
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14:22<Lantizia>would all it take to be back in this list... http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
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14:22<Lantizia>be the disabling of non-free ?
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14:29<retrospectacus>Raaku I think you need to set PATH at the top to be able to find all the executables
14:30<Raaku>ok... but that will erase whats in the path now yes
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14:32<Raaku>that scanimage at the bottom is found... easily enuf
14:32<Raaku>my page gets scanned
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14:32<Raaku>only it's 48 bytes
14:32<Raaku>when i kill the process
14:32<Raaku>and start again...
14:32<Raaku>from within the console
14:33<Raaku>it scans properly
14:33<bartm>Raaku, can you explain without pressing enter so frequently?
14:33<Raaku>sorry
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14:34<Raaku>i have a ts7400 -->embeddedarm.com --> this has on it an sdcard with 3 partitions. also some nand flash partitioned in the mtdblock. the startupscript goesthrough and checks some partitions
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14:35<Raaku>great, when all is ok, then start the compiled c proggy.. which just scans with some predefined settings and transmits over serial
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14:37<Raaku>all things work properly, as expected. script starts lights blink c proggy starts and scans,,, great.. only on the other end i have a very tiny file, i login via ssh and kill process in question, then cd to exec and start again
14:37<Raaku>only this time... full image
14:37<Raaku>i think it has to do with permissions
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14:38<retrospectacus>logsave - is it the name of this script?
14:38<Xeross>test
14:38<Raaku>no
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14:38<Raaku>all of this will be run ro, only because i don't have the ability to shutdown nicely
14:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 483] by debhelper
14:39<Raaku>so startup poses problems, the os is booted ro, run some stuff all linked.
14:40<Raaku>completely unorthodox
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14:44<retrospectacus>how is this being run on startup? rc.local?
14:44<Raaku>rc2
14:45<Raaku>s20flash
14:45<retrospectacus>I would try s99flash as 20 is quite low, some things haven't initted yet
14:46<Raaku>ok...
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14:52<Raaku>nope ... didn't work...
14:52<Raaku>http://pastebin.com/6gfaRx4N
14:52<Raaku>that is ps aux
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14:52<Raaku>notice tty level, when i kill the process and start from ~ i get pts/0 as tty
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15:42<omar>hola
15:42<omar>alguien español
15:42<bartm>!es
15:42<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:47<MeglaW>shes hot
15:47<babilen>huh?
15:48<MeglaW>http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9SlYS77Pdxg/TQUg_dk-1VI/AAAAAAAAFMw/qf3El5mRAtw/s640/rachel.sterne.jpg
15:48<MeglaW>oops
15:48<MeglaW>sorry wrong channel
15:48<MeglaW>im gonna move this up now to a higher number so this wont happen anymore
15:48<MeglaW>sorry again sorry
15:48<babilen>):-D
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16:05<kumi>Hi folks, I have the right deb-src line in sources.list, but when I run "sudo apt-get -V build-dep bitlbee=unstable", I get this error: "Unable to find a source package for bitlbee"
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16:05<kumi>I also tried different mirrors (ftp.us., ftp.de., ftp.se.) but no luck. Does anyone know what might be wrong?
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16:06<valdyn>kumi: the equals sign expects a version number
16:07<kumi>Oh thanks, I missed that :)
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16:07<valdyn>kumi: you want apt-get -t unstable ...
16:07<kop>,versions bitlbee
16:07<judd>Package bitlbee on i386 -- etch: 1.0.3-1.3; etch-backports: 1.2.3-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.2.3-1; lenny-backports: 1.2.7-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.2.8-1; sid: 3.0.1-1
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16:08<kumi>valdyn: I was under the impression that if you don't want dependencies problems, it's preferable to backport packages yourself
16:08<valdyn>kumi: so?
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16:10<kumi>valdyn: I'm doing this -> apt-get -V build-dep packagename && apt-get -V -b source packagename && dpkg -i packagename.deb
16:11<kumi>I don't want to mix unstable packages, and that's what apt-get -t unstable does if I'm not mistaken
16:12<kop>kumi: You know about backports.debian.org?
16:12<kop>kumi: (Just asking.)
16:12<babilen>kumi: If you only have a deb-src line for sid and use "apt-get -t unstable *source*" you'll just get the source package
16:12<kumi>Yep, I just want to try 3.0.1
16:12<kumi>babilen: cool, thanks
16:12<valdyn>kumi: ok, apt-get builddep bittlebee=<version> then
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16:13<kumi>valdyn: that's what I'm doing
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16:13<babilen>kumi: more work though
16:14<valdyn>babilen: uh?
16:14<babilen>valdyn: You have to check which version is in sid first, instead of just saying "get me the version that is in sid right now, whatever it is"
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16:15<valdyn>babilen: i dont see another way to get the build-deps
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16:16<babilen>valdyn: "aptitude -t sid build-dep packagename"
16:16<valdyn>babilen: that would download packages from sid
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16:17<babilen>it can't -- but you are right.
16:17<valdyn>babilen: ah, the ambigouity of "22:12 < babilen> kumi: If you only have a deb-src line for sid"
16:18<sney`>I think the best way to check what version is in sid is to ask judd, or go to p.d.o
16:18<kumi>yeah I had to use =3.0.1-1 instead of -t unstable
16:18<kumi>I used rmadison
16:18<babilen>valdyn: Yes, which is why I said "you are right"
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16:20<sret>OT anyone knows whats the key to type to put someone on mute in a phone
16:20<sret>*6?
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16:25<sret>didnt think so:P
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16:27<Lantizia>hey I installed Debian 6 on a small PC that uses an SSD (a 2GB Disk-on-Module from Transcend) and I notice it's made a Linux Swap partition but according to Top it's not being used
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16:27<Lantizia>any reason why it never got activated? does debian 6 automatically detect SSD's and not activate it?
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16:28<sney`>Lantizia: swap is not used until physical memory is full
16:29<Lantizia>sney, but top reports no swap is free
16:29<Lantizia>sney, are you saying when physical is full - it'll swapon automatically?
16:29<sney`>no, I don't think so. hmm
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16:29<sney`>what happens if you swapon manually? also, was the swap partition generated by the installer or did you make it afterwards?
16:30<Lantizia>no it was generated by the installer
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16:31<ompaul>Lantizia: what does free say (in a pastebin please)
16:31<Lantizia>0 for total used and free for swap
16:31<sney`>I'm not sure of the wisdom of using swap on a ssd
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16:31<sney`>because of the limited writes thing
16:31<ompaul>there is no wisdom in using it on ssd so why I asked Lantizia was to see how your ram and swap was set up
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16:32<Lantizia>sney, I've been told using swap on Disk-on-Modules is bad... so I'm actually glad it's not on - but curious if intentional
16:32<ompaul>if at all
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16:33<Lantizia>if I try to activate the swap it's already made with swapon i get... swapon: /dev/sda5: swapon failed: Invalid argument
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16:33<Lantizia>either when I specify -a (i.e. look in fstab), the UUID or the /dev location
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16:34<lilbeastlyguy>hey lantizia can you see this?
16:34<Lantizia>lilbeastlyguy, umm yeah
16:34<lilbeastlyguy>thanks...
16:34<sney`>lol
16:34<Lantizia>no problem lol
16:34<lilbeastlyguy>are you on debian or damn small? need help with dsl
16:34<Lantizia>can you see me too? :D
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16:35<lilbeastlyguy>yea my stuff was f**king up
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16:35<Lantizia>oh glad to know I still exist
16:35<lilbeastlyguy>what
16:35<Lantizia>so anywya sney/ompaul any ideas why swapon may fail?
16:35<sney`>lilbeastlyguy: if you need dsl help then you should go to the correct channel
16:35<lilbeastlyguy>are you on debian or dsl?
16:36<retrospectacus>lilbeastlyguy, debian support only here
16:36<babilen>lilbeastlyguy: #damnsmallinux on freenode
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16:36<sney`>in #debian we only support Debian.
16:36<lilbeastlyguy>well this is on dsl and i connected to it and others are messed up but thanks.
16:36<Lantizia>and giraffes bowl movements... if your lucky
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16:36<babilen>*'re
16:36<Lantizia>shh!
16:37<Lantizia>it's also bowel :P
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16:37<ompaul>Lantizia: you didn't come out with the info I wanted in a paste bin so I have no idea - sounds like your installer said "NO" and so there you go from what you have said but no pastebin so there you go
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16:38<Lantizia>ompaul, tells you as much as I've told you
16:38<Lantizia>http://pastebin.com/CRLryQa6
16:38<Lantizia>but there you go - to make you happy :P
16:39<ompaul>lilbeastlyguy: this is still #debian you need todo /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #damnsmallinux
16:39<lilbeastlyguy>that s**t didnt work. anymore sugjestions?
16:39<lilbeastlyguy>o sh*t. i forgot the dsl part. thnx pual
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16:41<ompaul>Lantizia: so you either have turned off swap, or you have no swap ;-) fdisk -l will tell you if you have such a partition avaialble
16:41<sney`>honestly I'd just delete that swap partition and use the space for something else
16:41<Lantizia>ompaul, i already know the parition is available
16:41<sney`>since you won't get any benefit from running swap on a ssd
16:41<Lantizia>and it's in fstab, and the installer created it
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16:41<ompaul>Lantizia: don't use it, it will break your machine early ;-)
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16:41<Lantizia>sney, yes but even though I know I don't want swap - i'd still like to find out why debian created it but won't use it
16:41<Lantizia>ompaul, that's not the point
16:42<Lantizia>I'll chalk this up to ... neither of you know :P
16:42<ompaul>Lantizia: and file a bug there also
16:42<Lantizia>btw swapfiles work just fine
16:42<sney`>I haven't seen it before but I haven't used a machine with a SSD, and haven't used swap since 2004
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16:42<lilbeastlyguy>it doesnt work
16:42<Lantizia>oh god
16:42<ompaul>lilbeastlyguy: it does
16:42<sney`>lilbeastlyguy: I'm not sure why that's our problem
16:42<lilbeastlyguy>or those people are retarded. they wont speak
16:43<Lantizia>they are? :D
16:43<retrospectacus>lilbeastlyguy, they're probably just not paying attention
16:43<ompaul>lilbeastlyguy: three ls
16:43<sney`>maybe you need to idle and wait rather than expecting a chat room full of volunteers to drop everything and help you immediately
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16:43<ompaul>lilbeastlyguy: so I go there paste your joining here and tell em what you say - how does that help your case?
16:44<lilbeastlyguy>f**k you sney
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16:44<devil>*sigh*
16:44<Lantizia>lilbeastlyguy, why don't you go there and try again... i have a funny feeling you'll get an answer :P
16:44<ompaul>lilbeastlyguy: that is how irc works, deal with it
16:44<sney`>^
16:44<lilbeastlyguy>f**k you
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16:44<sney`>are you 12? what's with the self-censored profanity
16:44<devil>lilbeastlyguy: i think you want to leave :)
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16:45<lilbeastlyguy>dont f**king tell me how to do sh*t
16:45<ompaul>lilbeastlyguy: with all due respect take your ass out of here thanks
16:45<Lantizia>maybe he has like parental filters that put in the asterisks for him :P
16:45<sney`>!ops lilbeastlyguy needs help finding the exit
16:45<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney` complains about: lilbeastlyguy needs help finding the exit
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16:46<ompaul>Lantizia: perhaps you'd consider filing that as a bug
16:46<Lantizia>so without trying to beat the dead horse here, anyone else got some ideas why a debian-made swap partition won't activate?
16:46<sney`>Lantizia: as for your swap issue, maybe mkswap didn't work / detected a SSD and stopped itself?
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16:46<retrospectacus>Lantizia, check dmesg?
16:46<Lantizia>ompaul, sure if I can be sure it can be repeated and when I'm sure I can't figure out the reason first
16:47<sney`>it may also be worth your while to check the bug tracker and see if the bug has already been filed
16:47<Lantizia>sney, sure I'd love that reason - but I like a better error message than "Invalid argument" lol
16:47<Lantizia>retrospectacus, will do
16:47<Lantizia>aha!
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16:47<Lantizia>[1084512.553216] Swap area shorter than signature indicates
16:48<sney`>malformed partition table maybe
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16:49<kumi>Hm... I'm stuck. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/bitlbee-common shows that the source is available, but judd and apt-get can't find it. Anyone know what to do?
16:49<Lantizia>sney, lol i just realised this isn't a DOM/SSD at all - normal ide disk
16:49<Lantizia>which makes it even more confusing
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16:50<Lantizia>normally they are DOM's in these boxes
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16:53<theguyyouknow>hey
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16:54<theguyyouknow>anyone here?
16:55<MeglaW>just ask your question and someone will attend to it
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16:55<theguyyouknow>okay. thanks
16:55<theguyyouknow>i was going to ask, why wont my system take in the .deb google chrome file?
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16:58<theguyyouknow>hey hey hey gay boys
16:58<theguyyouknow>lol
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17:00<Lantizia2>hey
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17:01-!-Lantizia2 was kicked from #debian by dondelelcaro [you should know better]
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17:01<@Ganneff>dondelelcaro: klined
17:02<dondelelcaro>Ganneff: cool
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17:10<Lantizia>Can someone ban Lantizia2 please
17:10<Lantizia>1) it's not me
17:10<Lantizia>2) it's the guy who just got klined
17:10<Lantizia>I'd like to keep my reputation in tact please
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17:10<Lantizia>ah he already was! nevermind :P
17:10<Lantizia>thanks!
17:10<Lantizia></panic>
17:10<retrospectacus>banned him by IP, not nick
17:10<Lantizia>cool :P
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17:11<Lantizia>he made a bad choice there, I'm not even in the US :P
17:11<retrospectacus>oh he's back in #dsl
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17:41<zer0>hola , alguien me ayuda a intalar el wifi en mi portatil
17:41<zer0>en debian 5
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17:42<devil>!es
17:42<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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17:47<Lantizia>is there an automated way of purging all your old kernels (bar say the last 2)
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17:50<devil>mostly automated
17:50<devil>http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/fullstory/kernel-remover/trunk/
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17:51<Lantizia>ooooooh
17:51<devil>only depends are gettext-base, dctrl-tools and ssft
17:52<Lantizia>devil, don't suppose you know of anywhere with it packaged?
17:52<Lantizia>ah nevermind - that's the source package
17:52<Lantizia>i can build from that
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17:54<devil>Lantizia: http://aptosid.com/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-remover/
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17:54<devil>Lantizia: should work with standard debian kernels afaik
17:54<retrospectacus>can't you just rm the kernels themselves out of /boot and regenerate the grub stuff?
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17:55<Lantizia>retrospectacus, sure i can - but that wasn't the question :P
17:55<retrospectacus>you could make a script pretty easily to "automate" that
17:55<babilen>what is wrong with "aptitude purge linux-image-yadda-yadda" ? I mean it is not that you install/remove 200 kernels every day
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17:56<devil>babilen: for us the above package is usefull, we have 5 kernels a week sometimes.
17:56<babilen>"us" the devils?
17:56<Lantizia>aptosid i think he means
17:57<babilen>probably :)
17:57<devil>nah, us at aptosid (formerly known as sidux)
17:57<babilen>devil: I am intrigued. Why do you have 5 kernels a week?
17:57<devil>babilen: because we follow unstable and latest kernels
17:58<Lantizia>babilen, it's good manners... like changing your pants :P
17:58<devil>heh
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17:58<babilen>underwear maybe ...
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17:59<Lantizia>"kernel for the weekend" - the fun pact summer sun kernel lol
17:59<themill>and they change the package name 5 times a week as well? wow.
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17:59<retrospectacus>It appears I've changed my pants 3 times in 2 years 0.o
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18:00<babilen>retrospectacus: I guess we have a british vs american english problem here
18:00<babilen>retrospectacus: Or at least I hope that ;)
18:00<Lantizia>ok could i perhaps make a rule in apt's config... so it ditches it's current kernel when it upgrades?
18:00<devil>themill: 2 hours ago: get:4 http://aptosid.com/debian/ sid/main linux-image-2.6.37-0.slh.8-aptosid-686 i386 2.6.37-8 [28,3 MB]
18:00<retrospectacus>oh right, british pants = underwear
18:00<Lantizia>i need to keep the boot partition as small as possible, 1 or 2 kernels at most
18:00<Lantizia>retrospectacus, yeah... calling trousers pants is just stupid :P
18:01<babilen>Lantizia: hehe
18:01<retrospectacus>haha "trousers" ... how's the 17th century treating you anyways?
18:01<Lantizia>pretty good :P
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18:01<babilen>retrospectacus: really? that is 17th century for you?
18:02<Lantizia>were timeless anyway, we've got dr.who to protect us :P
18:02<Lantizia>superman is just unreliable :P
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18:03*babilen ♥ tardis
18:03<retrospectacus>nah just buggin... respect to the Britain, I've been there a few times, it's ok
18:03<retrospectacus>not the weather, or the girls, or the food, but something... it's ok ;)
18:03<Lantizia>lol I'll add "OK" to our official visitors book at the queens place, be back soon
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18:04<Lantizia>so anyway how my latest "get apt to do it" idea?
18:04<Lantizia>s/how/how about/
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18:05<babilen>Lantizia: You can't/really shouldn't/... the currently running kernel
18:05<babilen>i accidently a verb -- "remove"
18:05<prahal>hi is there a contacts server available (for example to avoid syncing android to gmail but still sync it to a local server) for debian . A bit like the mozilla browser items sync server (which I believe is not yet available in debian :/
18:06<Lantizia>babilen, well i don't care about "really shouldn't" but yeah you can remove the running kernel - sure you can
18:06<babilen>prahal: ldap?
18:06<Lantizia>it's not it's using the files
18:06<retrospectacus>Lantizia, not really ideal solution I think
18:06<devil>themill: if you're interested: http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/fullstory/linux-aptosid-2.6/trunk/debian/changelog
18:07<babilen>Lantizia: apt-get/aptitude will bug you about it
18:07<Lantizia>tell me I'm being a naughty boy?
18:07<babilen>exactly
18:07<Lantizia>how kinky
18:07<prahal>babilen, why not but last I checked ldap had no schema for advanced contacts use (ie evolution, outlook and all other required custom schemas whihc conflicted with each others
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18:08<themill>devil: I look at that and wonder what the point of changing the abi each time is. Why not just call it "unmanaged" and stop there.
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18:08<prahal>and it would still require a bridge on the phone
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18:08<prahal>if this bridge exists I ll buy into it
18:08<devil>themill: you would have to ask that our kernel maintainer, not my cup of tea
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18:09<prahal>by the way I found what was wrong with libsoup . I had a local glib missing glib-networking :-
18:11<devil>themill: but thats not important, as, other the kernel, we follow unstable very closely
18:11<devil>other than…
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18:11<prahal>by the way I use gallery2 too to avoid facebook and alike . Will diaspora enable install on local instances ?
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18:23<Lantizia>just out of curiosity does debian have an official channel that can be connected to via xmpp?
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18:23<mentor>Lantizia: Yeah, here, just use an IRC to XMPP bridge :P
18:23<Lantizia>mentor, i realise i can do it via an irc transport :P
18:25<sret>ok
18:25<sret>retrospectacus or babilen awake?
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18:26<sret>i think it was one of you or ompaul i guess who helped me with that echo command to notify me of any root logins
18:26<sret>any of you awake
18:26<retrospectacus>sret: I remember
18:26<sret>retrospectacus: you know of a notify-send command?
18:26<sret>that does a popup message
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18:27<sret>so basically if we add notify-send to the echo msg we did last time, it should give me a popup instead of mailing it to me right
18:28<retrospectacus>I don't know about that command
18:28<sret>from the looks of it this is a replace for a printf of echo
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18:29<sret>retrospectacus: particularly libnotify pkg
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18:30<retrospectacus>sret: what will happen if you are not logged in, gdm is not running, etc. and someone ssh's onto your machine?
18:31<sret>ok
18:31<sret>yeah interesting
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18:31<Lantizia>hey you know the "popularity contest" thing... is there a way of seeing how popular a package is then? :D
18:32<sret>retrospectacus: good point, thanks:P
18:32<Lantizia>presumably from packages.debian.org
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18:33<retrospectacus>!popcon
18:33<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package
18:35<Lantizia>toffee flavoured? :D
18:37<sret>so retrospectacus can you tell me a scenario for someone to use root from ssh
18:37<sret>is there no purpose for them to be root or better just give them root permission as user?
18:38<sret>Lantizia: haha you signed up for that too? i did too during my installation heh
18:38<retrospectacus>scripts running on a client can do more if they can ssh to a remote host as root.
18:39<sret>retrospectacus: meaning they can do more as in do bad or it helps them get work done?
18:40<Lantizia>sret, nah i never sign up for it
18:40<retrospectacus>I mean get work done but doing bad is also a scenario
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18:40<sret>retrospectacus: yeah but if they had no root and they're trustworthy people cant they still get work done without root?
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18:41<sret>i wanted a scenario so i understand *you do need root* for this this this
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18:43<retrospectacus>well you need root for a lot of things. If you want to automate those things and do them from a remote host then you may prefer to allow root ssh
18:44<retrospectacus>for example I can do: ssh root@ark /etc/init.d/mysql restart
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18:45<sret>ok
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18:45<retrospectacus>single command in a script to restart that service on a remote machine
18:45<sret>so why not just tell the admin to do it for you
18:45<devil>sret: i think you should really read up on the different concepts of running servers and granting rights to other users. its quite different for different types of usage like ssh, ftp …
18:45<sret>devil: i understand granting rights
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18:45<devil>sret: maybe i got you wrong then
18:46<sret>retrospectacus: in that case, why not give the user just root to restart mysql and not root for everything ?
18:46<retrospectacus>sret, I am the admin. but my servers are 6000 miles away
18:46<Lantizia>don't suppose there is an easy way to tell how many kernels etch and lenny have had?
18:46<sret>retrospectacus: im talking from a user perspective, not to who the box belongs to
18:47<Lantizia>i.e. if I made a squeeze box now... how many "roughly" kernels will fill up /boot by the time we get to wheezy :P
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18:47<sret>devil: na you got me right but im just trying to see a scenario where one needs to be root in ssh
18:48<sret>besides the admin
18:48<devil>sret: i do not see one, besides a person i really know and trust
18:48<retrospectacus>sret, if a user can be root then what's the difference
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18:49<sret>no i dont want them to be root, like say i wanted to start mysql, in that case the admin can just give him rights to start mysql as root cant the, rather than giving him total root access?
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18:50<devil>sret: these things need to be finegrained, depending on the protocol involved
18:50<sret>devil: right so for each app i can give them root or not, instead of complete root access is whatim asking
18:51<retrospectacus>sret: in that case, no, root ssh should not be used. Just a user who is allowed (somehow) to restart mysql
18:51<devil>sret: you can as well chroot them with certain rights
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18:51<sret>retrospectacus: gotcha
18:51<sret>devil: yeah
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18:52<devil>sret: in the end its important to keep everybodys right to a possible minimum (incl. your own) :)
18:52<sret>devil: yeah
18:52<sret>:P
18:53<sret>my speaker works... i can listen to white noise all day for the enxt few days lol so comforting
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18:57<Lantizia>am I right in thinking there has only been 2 kernels for lenny thus far?
18:57<Nesto1000>Quick question you guys... I want do download Debian and try it out, but it shows 5 DVD's and a lot more CD's!?
18:57<Lantizia>2.6.26-1 and 2.6.26-2... and if true... anyone know how many etch had (since packages.debian.org won't tell me any more)
18:57<Nesto1000>Do i need all 5 dvd images?
18:58<Lantizia>Nesto1000, if you're trying it as a desktop I suggest only CD1... if a server then go with the netinst
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18:58<Lantizia>Nesto1000, the CD's contain a copy of the _entire_ debian archive and you don't need them all
18:58<amitz>Nesto1000: meaning that 1 DVD image or less may be enough.
18:58<Nesto1000>ah i see...
18:58<amitz>Nesto1000: do you have slow internet connection?
18:58<retrospectacus>Lantizia: you should be able to track down that info from the archives
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18:59<retrospectacus>!archive
18:59<dpkg>somebody said archive was a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/
18:59<AgentC>can anyone tell me how to let a blootbot recognize "!keyword" operators in a channel instead of only listening to private query ?
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18:59<Nesto1000>does the first dvd image come with GNOME interface?
18:59<devil>AgentC: ECHAN
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19:00<amitz>yes gnome interface.
19:00<Nesto1000>what are the rest of the DVD's for?
19:00<Nesto1000>in lamens terms
19:00<retrospectacus>Nesto1000: additional software
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19:02*AgentC have a medical problem has to go on biological idle state. sorry, until later!
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19:02<sret>Nesto1000: do a netinstall.iso and save yourself time and bandwidth
19:02<Lantizia>retrospectacus, i should?!
19:02<sret>and then later on as you go along add pkgs you like once debian is up and running
19:02<Nesto1000>whats this netinstall?
19:02<sret>Nesto1000: i started like you, im still an amateur debian user
19:03<sret>the ones for the cds
19:03<sney`>it's about 150MB of the base system and everything needed to start the install, then it downloads the rest of the stuff you need directly
19:03<sret>you need to download the iso, burn the image to a cd and boot from the cd
19:03<sney`>so you get a fully updated system right off the bat and you don't download any software you're not actually going to use
19:03<sret>the netinstall only gives you a handful of stuff, a gui, aand all the stuff a newbie needs
19:03<Nesto1000>well ilol dl it later then
19:03<Lantizia>i really hate it when oldstable goes into the void like this...
19:03<sret>and then once debian is set, you can download additional pkgs you want
19:03<Nesto1000>sweet
19:03<sney`>Lantizia: still got an etch machine?
19:04<sret>the netinstall.iso download should take less than 30 mins
19:04<Lantizia>sney, no i just want to lookup info on etch
19:04<sret>then during the install process it'll take another hr maybe to download some pkgs
19:04<Nesto1000>I'll try it out later then right now im downloading openSUSE
19:04<sret>then why in the fuck are you
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19:04<sret>here
19:04<sney`>sret, relax
19:04<sret>troll?
19:04<Nesto1000>no
19:04<sney`>lots of people like to try multiple distros
19:05<Lantizia>i do however think oldstable should stay until the next release is ready... (i.e. there is always an old stable)
19:05<Nesto1000>ive tried ubuntu and now i want to try others
19:05<sney`>I used to be a gentoo user and a distro developer, though I always come back to debian eventually
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19:05<sret>yeah but if he's made up his mind to install opensuse he shouldnt even be here
19:05<drone77>sret shhh, you can run multiple OSs
19:05<sney`>it's ok so long as he doesn't start asking #debian for opensuse support
19:05*sret shutsup
19:05<sney`>I mean right now I'm less than 3 feet away from a Windows machine, should I leave too?
19:05<sret>no
19:06<Nesto1000>right now i got windows and ubuntu installed... on this machine
19:06<Lantizia>wow it's so easy to confuse you guys :P
19:06<sret>im just wondering why he'd ask all that and then say im going to install opensuse
19:06<sret>thats all
19:06<drone77>sney`: yes, i think you should leave, preferably with the machine and exit via the nearest window
19:06<sret>hi drone77 :P
19:06<sney`>Debian gets a lot of Ubuntu converts looking for more flexibility, I've noticed
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19:06<Nesto1000>I'm going to install debian in a day or 2, originally today but those 5 dvds scared me so i decided to try openSUSE first
19:06<sney`>drone77: too bad I'm on the ground floor, I'm sure it'd be funny to watch but ultimately harmless
19:07<sret>Nesto1000: thats why ther eis a cd install
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19:07<Lantizia>sney, leave the window closed then try :P
19:07<drone77>+1 ^
19:07<sret>1 cd, download time 1:30 mins in total to have a debian machine up and running
19:07<sret>Nesto1000: but ok
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19:07<sney`>they're big plate windows that don't open, it'd be like I was thrown out of a saloon in a western movie
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19:08<Nesto1000>either way I'm going to install Debian
19:08<Nesto1000>sooner or later
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19:09<Lowpass>hi
19:09<drone77>sret hello again
19:09<Lantizia>Nesto1000, go for Debian 6... IT HAS ROCKET SHIPS OMG
19:09<Lantizia>:P
19:09<sret>drone77: my speaker works man, 2 days and going lol
19:09<Lowpass>Rocket ships ?
19:09<Lantizia>Lowpass, yeah you seen the new artwork?
19:09<sret>Nesto1000: btw debian squeeze is going to be released by feb 6th
19:09<Nesto1000>lol when does that one come out?
19:09-!-claudio [~claudio@dynamic-adsl-94-36-235-194.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #debian
19:09<sret>so if you're going to try debian, i guess wait till then
19:10<Lowpass>no, not yet
19:10<drone77>sret: good, just don't try skype, somehow mine is screwed - but that's for elsewhere
19:10<Nesto1000>squeeze?
19:10<Lowpass>got Lenny
19:10-!-hever [~hever@85-222-28-130.home.aster.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:10<Lowpass>at work
19:10<sret>drone77: no skype here
19:10<sret>yahoo works
19:10-!-claudio [~claudio@dynamic-adsl-94-36-235-194.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit []
19:10<Lowpass>as one of my bootsystems
19:10<Lantizia>debian makes me feel like I'm 4 :P
19:10<sret>drone77: yahoo voip works too
19:10-!-dutchfish [~wil@541CF61E.cm-5-5d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #debian
19:10<Lowpass>Debian is goof
19:10<Lowpass>good
19:10<retrospectacus>can we get a link to see the rocket ships already
19:10<sret>Nesto1000: it's the next debian release, squeeze is in testing now but by feb5/th it should be stable
19:11<Nesto1000>kool kool
19:11<Lowpass>NICE !
19:11<Lantizia>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/SpaceFun
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19:11<Nesto1000>sweet guess that ill wait for squeeze then
19:11<Lowpass>Ubuntu was great ... until the other interface came ...
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19:12<Nesto1000>you don't like the new interface?
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19:12<Lowpass>I hate Unity
19:12<retrospectacus>nice
19:13<Lowpass>I hope they 'll skip it
19:13<Nesto1000>i like ir
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19:13<Nesto1000>*it
19:13<Lantizia>retrospectacus, I wish/hope that the debian wordmark used there is the new font - since the existing font is proprietary
19:13<Lowpass>no, it is rubisch
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19:13<Nesto1000>everyone has their own prefrences
19:13<retrospectacus>looks like comic sans
19:13<Lantizia>it does a bit, but it's nice
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19:14<Lowpass>ok, I am a bit waisted, don't know what to do with my love life
19:14<retrospectacus>yeah it's ok
19:14<Lantizia>not as over the top as comic sans
19:14<Lowpass>feel srange
19:14<biiter>hello. i am trying to tweak the energy consumption on my laptopt but the gconfd-2 is still waking up my hdd.. can you please tell me how can i prevent gconfd-2 waking up the disk atleast on battery mode? thanks
19:14<drone77>Lantizia: there is a corresponding xdg theme also
19:14<Lantizia>drone77, do you know if the new wordmark is going official though?
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19:15<Lowpass>Debian is going to stay with Gnome, aren't they ?
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19:15<Lantizia>Lowpass, gnome, lxde, xfce, kde
19:15<Nesto1000>they have a bunch of interface
19:15<Nesto1000>8's
19:15<drone77>Lantizia: no idea, not so keen on it though
19:16<Nesto1000>*'s
19:16<Lantizia>drone77, oh why not?!
19:16<Lowpass>ok, just don't like unity
19:16<retrospectacus>gnome is staying the default when you choose DE I believe
19:16<Lowpass>GOOD
19:16<Lowpass>Started Linux one year ago
19:16<Lowpass>first Debian
19:16<Lowpass>then Ubuntu
19:17<devil>ouch :)
19:17<Lantizia>and I still seriously think if debian would finally host an alternative to launchpad and ppa's - we'd be kicking more ubuntu ass
19:17<Lantizia>but thats' just my opinion
19:17<amphi>what a curious degeneration
19:17<Lowpass>Ubuntu is better for starters
19:17<amphi>computing turpitude perhaps ;)
19:17<Lowpass>but I ll go back to very stable Debian
19:17<devil>Lowpass: that is to general to be true
19:17<drone77>Lantizia: it makes me feel like i am using DebianJR or something
19:17<Lantizia>drone77, yeah! :D it's great isn't it? :P
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19:18*Lantizia is 4 when he uses Debian Squeeze
19:18<Lowpass>As long as Debian stays hardcore open source !
19:18<Lantizia>drone77, I mean the releases are named after toy story characters... how grown up did you expect it to be ?
19:18<Lantizia>:D
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19:18<Lowpass>we are ALL kids :d
19:18<Lantizia>and squeeze is the space aliens too :P
19:18<Lantizia>so it's PERFECT :P
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19:19<devil>Lantizia: it could be named after fender guitars, as long as its consistent :)
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19:19<retrospectacus>squeeze has three eyes mo'fuckas
19:19<Lantizia>lmao
19:19<Nesto1000>alright well thanks for the help guys
19:19<drone77>Lantizia: I AM AT LEAST 11½
19:19<Lantizia>lol
19:19-!-TaitenP [~TaitenP@110-27-90-95.adsl.fetnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:19<Nesto1000>I might come back when I'm on debian
19:19<daemonkeeper>Debian Stratocaster!
19:19<daemonkeeper>Great
19:19<daemonkeeper>Vote for that!
19:19<sret>drone77: how did you type the fraction
19:19<devil>yup.
19:19<Lowpass>I just mean, even being 34, you always stay a boy somewhere ...
19:19<Lantizia>I don't think debian ever has to go corporate
19:19<Lowpass>never !
19:20<devil>Lantizia: do girls stay boys as well? ;)
19:20<Nesto1000>*cough* pedophine *cough*
19:20<Lantizia>devil, YES :)
19:20<devil>oh, ah. ok :)
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19:20<drone77>sret AltGr + 5
19:20<Lowpass>no girls stay girls , and boys ....
19:20<sret>drone77: did you use a alt+ key thingy
19:20<sret>drone77: ok explains it
19:20<sret>:P
19:20<drone77>oh dear #debian has gone all weird
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19:21<Lantizia>my bad, sorry
19:21*Lantizia hides
19:21<retrospectacus>just us kids getting excited about the 3-eyed alien and rocket ships
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19:21<amphi>sret: if you have a Multi_Key in your x keyboard layout, you can use digraphs for such things; ½ is Multi_Key 1 2 here
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19:22<drone77>i am not sid, i didn't intend to ruin your fun
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19:23<grummund>Hi, i ran apt-key update but still getting the error NO_PUBKEY error, can someone point me in the right direction pls?
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19:24<sret>amphi: checking thanks
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19:25<amphi>sret: you can use xmodmap to assign a Multi_Key; I use the right windows key (menu key) here
19:25<Lowpass>Lantizia can I chat with you ?
19:26<Lantizia>yes why not FIRE AWAY!
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19:27<Lantizia>so does anyone know how many kernels were in etch?
19:28<dvs>2.6.18
19:28<devil>ancient
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19:28<Lantizia>there were just over 2 and a half kernels in etch eh?
19:28<Lantizia>lol
19:28<Lantizia>_how many_
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19:31<sney`>it's not ancient until you're talking 2.4
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19:31<devil>its ancient for me :)
19:31<Lantizia>and even then I'm asking how many kernels there were
19:31<sney`>I started on 2.2 though so I must be a million years old
19:31<Lantizia>not what kernel it was
19:32<sney`>gosh Lantizia don't you pay attention? it was 2.6.18
19:32<sney`>haha I kid
19:32<Lantizia>git :P
19:33<sney`>honestly your best bet is to figure out the etch start and end dates, and dig through snapshot.debian.org based on that
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19:34<sney`>since etch was still in testing in 2006 when I started using it, snapshot should give you everything you need
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19:34*devil never ran stable, so no idea really
19:34<sney`>just grep for linux-image
19:35<Lantizia>sney, there isn't even linux-image here... http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/
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19:36<daemonkeeper>I may be wrong, but as far as I remember the kernel package was called linux-kernel (or so) by that time
19:36<dvs>kernel-image?
19:36<sney`>that might be true
19:36<sney`>don't trust my memory for nothin'!
19:37<daemonkeeper>kernel-image, exactly.
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19:37<Lantizia>ah! wrong letter :P
19:38<Lantizia>hmm 7
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19:38<Lantizia>so if squeeze has 7 kernels... 100mb /boot ought to do right?
19:38<Lantizia>i.e. presuming I _never_ clear them down
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19:39<sney`>yeah, 100 should be safe
19:40<sney`>(though there is no point - really - to keeping more than one previous kernel around)
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19:41<daemonkeeper>There are not _so_ many reasons left to have /boot at all
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19:42<daemonkeeper>(On a separate partition I mean)
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19:44<sney`>daemonkeeper: yeah, except in the case of having / on an array or LVM
19:45<sney`>though even that is usually unnecessary
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19:48<daemonkeeper>Right, for such corner cases you need it, although more recent versions of grub apparently can
19:48<daemonkeeper>grub-2
19:48<sney`>still dependent on array hardware of course
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19:49<grummund># apt-file update
19:49<grummund>Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz
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19:49<grummund>aptitude update works... what did i do wrong?
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19:56<grummund>k. i found the bug report
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20:16<amacidia>hey everyone. where would the yaboot binary be located?
20:16<dondelelcaro>amacidia: dpkg -L yaboot
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20:17<JagHarEnBoll>hello all nerds :)
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20:55<quant>hi, I'm running squeeze and when using proprietary flash plugin I get very slow (slide show) performance in full screen, but when I turn off the hardware acceleration it seems ok (but heavier on the CPU), can anyone assist, please?
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21:06<planet8>Why is there no "Desktop Settings" in Squeeze/KDE when one right clicks the desktop. How do I change the desktop theme without?
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21:08<jsubl2>planet8: scroll wheel works for me
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21:09<planet8>I get a knote with that lol
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21:12<planet8>jusbl2, you are running with squeeze?
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21:15<jsubl2>planet8: yes
21:15<jsubl2>and kde..
21:16<jsubl2>i use a trackball so i had to configure the mouse. but scrolling to change desktop works well.
21:18<planet8>funny, I cannot locate the option of changing the theme anywhere even under the mouse configuration (what the buttons are supposed to do when clicked on the desktop)
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21:19<global_>Hi
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21:19<global_>Could not chdir to home directory /home/bitflip: No such file or directory
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21:21<Alambre>global test cd inteast chdir
21:21<global_>What?
21:22<Alambre>sorry test chdir /home or cd /home and type ls
21:23<global_>what is the command to chroot into a dir?
21:23<planet8>jsubl2, I actually think you misunderstand.. I'm not talking about changing the desktop window, but the theme from fx air to something else.
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21:25<jsubl2>sorry planet8 my mistake
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21:26<planet8>jsubl2, np :) when you right click on the desktop background, do you get the option "Desktop Settings"?
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21:26<jsubl2>Desktop Activity Setting
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21:27<jsubl2>planet8: squeeze right?
21:27<planet8>yes
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21:38<jsubl2>how long does debian provide updates
21:40<Lantizia>jsubl2, we're hoping a new release every 2 years
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21:40<planet8>this seems to be a debian only problem.. hmm perhaps a bug
21:40<Lantizia>jsubl2, next release in a matter of days
21:40<jsubl2>how long with they provide security updates for lenny
21:41<Lantizia>1 year from the date squeeze is released
21:41<jsubl2>thanks Lantizia
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21:49<Alambre>I have a squeeze repositories currently is wise to install debian, after the launch in a few days? or just let it continue to update, because I had several problems during the process to accommodate the system
21:51<Tiff>!pastebin
21:51<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
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21:52<dvs>Alambre: If it works now, leave it
21:53<Alambre>thanks dvs
21:53<dvs>np
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23:28<cd>Hi guys! I use ulogd (beside syslogd & klogd) and I'm having the problem that ulogd log files (/var/log/ulog/*.log) doesn't get rotated by logrotate and they reached almost 1GB. Doesn't know why. Made some investigation, all seems to be ok (/var/lib/logrotate/status mentions ulogd log files). Any clue? Thanks.
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23:47<cd>Done it! Sorry for any trouble. /etc/logrotate.d/ulogd needed some tuning... ("daily", "compress", and "rotate 7" to be more specific).
23:49<sney>the easiest support case is one that fixes itself
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