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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-01-26

---Logopened Wed Jan 26 00:00:40 2011
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00:32<prakash>any one here i need some help
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00:32<tash>ask please
00:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
00:33<prakash>i want to configure wi fi in backtrack4 which is installed through vmware workstation on windows 7
00:34<haakon>prakash what do you need help with ?
00:34<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
00:34<prakash>wha is debian
00:34<prakash>i want to know abt that
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00:34<sney>it's what backtrack was based on originally
00:35<sney>it's a different operating system
00:35<sney>if you install debian in your VM we'd be glad to help you
00:35<prakash>is it used for hacking
00:35<sney>it is used for everything.
00:35<prakash>which debian
00:35<tash>I use it to write here see?
00:36<prakash>tash r u there
00:36<smv>wi-fi in a VM?
00:36<sney>Debian 6.0 is going to be released in about a week, you can download it here:
00:37<sney>smv has a point too, you're not going to get much wifi snooping functionality from inside a VM no matter what OS you use
00:37<tash>feb 5th seems 2 weeks away :P
00:37<prakash>debian is good or backtrack4
00:37<tash>seems to be*
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00:38<prakash>tash do u know ahcking
00:38<sney>also, thanks prakash for giving me an excuse to do this
00:38<dpkg>BackTrack is just an operating system. It does not magically turn you into a hacker. It is also offtopic in #debian. Please fulfill your fantasies in #backtrack-linux on
00:38<tash>thanks sney
00:39<haakon>tash i need to know how to get a film scanner working
00:39<haakon>it is recognized as a device but not working under meerkat
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00:40<sney>prakash: if you don't know how VMs work, and you don't know how networking works, you're not going to be a pr0 h4xx0r just because you installed BackTrack. You have to do a lot more reading before you get to that point.
00:40*smv wonders what's so good about bt that makes it marked as a 'hacker thing'. aren't we, users, all hacking our way into our own systems?
00:40<prakash>dude i m CEH,CCNA,MCSE and working for good orginaz
00:41<sney>smv: it is 'security oriented' or maybe 'security focused' and it has a cool black and red logo shaped like a dragon
00:41<haakon>v4l2 is not using it like it was previously
00:41<sney>so lots of kiddies think it will give them superpowers
00:41<prakash>sney its true
00:41<prakash>what u say man
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00:41<prakash>sney were u from man
00:42<tash>there is a lot of blogs talking about bt4 as the best tool for hacking
00:42<prakash>yes tash
00:42<smv>sney, then it's not good anyway. OpenBSD says it's secure by default, but I found that it's like that only if turned off.
00:42<prakash>tash i have 1 question
00:42<prakash>all hackers works on which os
00:43<prakash>i mean proffessional hackers
00:43<sney>the real answer to that is probably OpenBSD
00:43<prakash>open bsd
00:43<sney>but a 'real' hacker can take any OS and make it do what they need
00:44<Arrowmaster>prakash: as somebody else with CCNA training (exams are expensive) i fear for the future if you really have a CCNA yet asked about setting up wifi in a VM
00:44<sney>haha. he's a paper tech
00:44<prakash>i know dude
00:44<sney>prakash: do you know what a paper tech is?
00:45*smv lol
00:45<prakash>i configured every thing even i get internet access but wen m going to hack a wi-fi the interface shows blank
00:45<prakash>sney r u indian
00:46<sney>I am american and I live in canada
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00:46<prakash>there is lot of thing that i can learn from u
00:47<sney>so answer my question, do you know what a paper tech is?
00:47<prakash>i m a beginner
00:47<prakash>but i can do lotz of things
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00:47<prakash>sney can u give me ur gmail id
00:48<prakash>so we can be in contact
00:48<sney>a paper tech is a man who has a bunch of papers, and the papers say MCSE, CCNA, LPI, etc. and he loves those papers because they say, I know how to do things. But the man doesn't really know how to do things, because once he got his papers he forgot them.
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00:48<sney>he doesn't need to remember those things because the papers are good enough for him.
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00:48<sney>Don't be a paper tech.
00:48<sney>pay attention, learn, read, and don't rely on your papers to tell people what you can do.
00:48-!-knoppix_ is now known as Guest1666
00:49<Guest1666>please give me some reply
00:49<prakash>from today onwards sney is my master
00:49<Guest1666>I am New Here Prakash
00:49<prakash>who r u man
00:49<Guest1666>I am also from India
00:49<prakash>buzzing my name on the guest name
00:49<sney>prakash: no, I will not give you my gmail id. but you can go to #debian-offtopic if you need my wisdom. ( ¯3¯)
00:49<Guest1666>I dont need any of ur ID
00:49<Guest1666>or address
00:50<Guest1666>just tell me how to use IRC
00:50<sney>we don't need no stinking badges.
00:50<dpkg>IRC is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons. Official Debian IRC channels: . Please read . Ask me about <irc tutorial> and <faq>. See also <debstats> and <irclog>.
00:50<Guest1666>what kind of Topics you ppl discuss here?
00:50<prakash>can u will be my master
00:51<Guest1666>arre kahi tari bola
00:51<prakash>jai maharashtra
00:51<Guest1666>tu suddha?
00:51<sney>this is the support channel for the Debian GNU/Linux operating system.
00:51<sney>It is an ENGLISH ONLY channel.
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00:51<prakash>sney what is ur age
00:52<sney>Off topic discussions can be taken to #debian-offtopic, and I believe there is an indian channel at #debian-in
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00:52<Guest1666>I am from mumbai
00:52<sney>my age cannot be defined in real numbers
00:52<Guest1666>you too?
00:52<prakash>hi guest1666 wat is ur name
00:52<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
00:52<Goldstein>Question: Does anybody know how to do a ^....$ type pattern in wget's accept list?
00:52<Guest1666>Ninad Ranade
00:53<prakash>ninad were r u from man
00:53<Guest1666>you too from maharashtra ?
00:53<Guest1666>thats cool
00:53<prakash>maharashtra from were
00:53<sney>Goldstein: sorry, regexps always kinda escaped me
00:53<prakash>i too
00:54<Guest1666>what do you do?
00:54<Goldstein>I know how to say what i want in perl but I dont think wget is using perl re's
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00:54<prakash>ninad were in mumbai
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00:55<Guest1666>what about you?
00:55<Guest1666>hi alexander
00:55<alexandr>alexandr? from russia irkuts
00:55<alexandr>alexandr? from russia irkutsk
00:55<Guest1666>Ninad From India
00:55<Guest1666>prakash you der?
00:55<prakash>ninad r u law degree holder
00:56<alexandr>prakash? what is it?
00:56<Guest1666>his name is Prakash
00:56<sney>!ops help I'm drowning in a sea of social
00:56<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney complains about: help I'm drowning in a sea of social
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00:57<Guest1666>I have done my RHCE International certification
00:57<prakash>hi alexender
00:57<Guest1666>Red Hat Linux
00:57<prakash>so u have a blog marathi songs download
00:57<alexandr>hi prakash
00:57<prakash>alexandar r u an hackr
00:57<prakash>coz many expert hackers belongs to russia
00:58<Guest1666>hey how do you know?
00:58<Guest1666>great dude?
00:58<Guest1666>from whois lookup
00:58<alexandr>russia big coutry
00:58<alexandr>many people
00:58*smv LOL
00:58<Guest1666>I had website of
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00:59<prakash>who is look up haaa haaaah aa
00:59<Guest1666>russian girls are too seductive
00:59<prakash>no man
00:59<Guest1666>who is lookup nahi
00:59<prakash>were u stay in mumbai
00:59<Guest1666>sangitla na
00:59<prakash>alexender respond to me dear
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01:00<Guest1666>ani tu
01:00<prakash>google la ja ani prakash janawade lih
01:00<smv>Guest1666, prakash, alexandr please move this discussion somewhere else.
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01:00<prakash>andheri kuthe
01:00<prakash>andheri madhe kuthe
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01:01<prakash>i stay at thane
01:02<Guest1666>andheri madhye Aarsa Hotel javal
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01:02<Guest1666>tu ethical hacker ahes
01:02<Guest1666>yar great
01:02<Guest1666>kuthun shiklas hacking
01:02<prakash>r n d
01:03<prakash>hacking kadhi koni shikvat nahi
01:03<Guest1666>I know
01:03<prakash>aplya la shikava lagto
01:03<Guest1666>but tula hacking madhye job vagaire ahe ka
01:03<prakash>i work for police man
01:03<Guest1666>Ohh wow
01:03<Guest1666>me sadhya JOB search karto
01:04<prakash>andheri madhe kiti teri company aahet tyla me security provide karto
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01:04<prakash>o wow
01:04<Guest1666>me RHCE nuktach complete kela
01:04<prakash>ok i will give u
01:04<prakash>a job
01:04<prakash>one company need RHCE
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01:04<Guest1666>comp. name?
01:04<prakash>maza mail id ghe ani resume forward kar
01:05<smv>Guest1666, prakash, please stop it. This is a english support channel for Debian, not a place to chat about everything. Finf another place of even chat in private if you must.
01:05<prakash>now its corret
01:05<prakash>ok smv
01:05<Guest1666>take care
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01:07<prakash>ninad personal chat var ye
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01:22<Guest1666>where u from
01:22<sney>this isn't a chat channel, if you want to be social please go somewhere else
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01:23<prakash>can any one help
01:23<Guest1666>hey prakash u got mmy cv
01:23<Guest1666>what kind of help do u need
01:23<prakash>not yet checked
01:23<prakash>i will check it later on
01:23<Guest1666>ya sure
01:23<prakash>i will give u contact number
01:24<Guest1666>he channel safe ahe ka
01:24<Guest1666>this channel is not safe
01:24<Guest1666>can anyone tell me about Knoppix Linux
01:24<prakash>i know
01:25<prakash>what u want to know ninad
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01:25<cahoot>Guest1357: try google
01:25<cahoot>Guest1666: ^
01:25<Guest1666>kahi nahi re
01:25<prakash>yea goole
01:25<Guest1666>me attach ISO file download keli ahe
01:25<Guest1666>I just have downloaded ISO for Knoppix
01:26<Guest1666>not AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaa its ISO
01:26<Guest1666>I just want to know how efficient is it
01:27<Guest1666>and how to use it's tools
01:27<sney>you should try reading the website for knoppix rather than clogging up someone else's channel with your shit
01:27<Guest1666>me jevaayla jaatoy
01:27<sney>it is very rude, what you're doing
01:27<prakash>hey \\
01:27<prakash>andheri madhe kuthe rahtos
01:28<Guest1666>me borivali la shift zaloy
01:28<prakash>phila andheri made kuthe raht hotas
01:28<Guest1666>aapan gmail or live var bolu
01:28<tash>,versions iceweasel
01:28<judd>Package iceweasel on i386 -- etch:; etch-security:; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-4~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.16-4; squeeze: 3.5.16-4; experimental: 3.6.13-2
01:29<Guest1666>hey sorry sney
01:29<prakash>wats the hell is going here
01:29<Guest1666>do you have any query about LINUX
01:29<sney>I don't know, I was just helping some people with Debian issues and then these 2 indian morons showed up and turned it into a social club
01:30<prakash>sney wats the hell
01:30<sney>how did we get here? where are the ops? mysteries of the universe, am I right gentlemen
01:30<Guest1666>chill sney
01:30<prakash>sney i need ur help
01:30<sney>I sincerely doubt that
01:30<prakash>in canada
01:31<prakash>how is the response for an IT jobs
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01:31<Guest1666>specially for LINU enviroment?
01:31<sney>pretty good as long as you're not rude or illiterate
01:31<sney>sorry, I guess you guys would be out of luck
01:31<Guest1666>take care
01:31<Guest1666>sorry for disturbing you
01:31<Guest1666>bye bye
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01:32<prakash>sney graduation is compulsary
01:32<prakash>for job in us
01:33<prakash>sney reply dude
01:33<prakash>m waiting
01:34<sney>better than the US but you have to be good, you can't just be a paper tech. there are already enough paper techs
01:35<prakash>sney what is ur age
01:36<sney>do you have a debian question? please find a different channel if you just want to chat
01:37<prakash>how to track a mobile phone location
01:37<sney>I have no idea. go ask mobile phone people.
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01:41<prakash>where i can go for that
01:43<sney>I don't know.
01:46<prakash>debian can we install on vm ware
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02:28<Lantizia>lo, is it me or is the ability to rename your LVM VG on the debian installer missing?
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02:34<Arrowmaster>Lantizia: ive been wonder if that ability is missing from LVM
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02:34<Lantizia>Arrowmaster, no there is a command for it
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02:34<Arrowmaster>well its alluded me so far! not that i have a use for it right now though.....
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02:36<Lantizia>the d-i will let you make a vg with a name of your choice... but if you want to rename it (probably because you don't like debian named it when you may have chosen guided) there is no option to :S
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02:37<Arrowmaster>i think the last time i used the installer was squeeze beta1, back then you couldnt even delete an lvm vg
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02:39<Lantizia>Arrowmaster, don't you can now - i have been having to select guided all in one partition to get it to wipe the lvm stuff off to start again :P
02:39<Lantizia>a trick, but it works lol
02:41<Arrowmaster>yes i remember doing that, but i think i recall having to reboot the installer everytime i did it if i didnt change the vg name
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04:21<AgentC>hi again.
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04:22<AgentC>if you have time, take a look to it is a pretty nice chatbot-demo with artifical intelligence.
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05:35<ayaka>I have some question,does the program in stable will never update?
05:36<zem>ayaka: only security updates
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05:37<ayaka>zem, how can I choose it,I want to have a stable kernel and important soft but the other is not
05:37<jm_>+ important updates now and then
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05:38<daemonkeeper>ayaka: There is no rolling Debian (yet). You may want to use Debian Unstable if you want to live on bleeding edge.
05:38<daemonkeeper>You can't just pick some packages you want to update because of dependencies (unless they have been officially backported)
05:38<nadir>for me backports is sufficient:
05:38<daemonkeeper>Yes, see nadir
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05:39<ayaka>daemonkeeper, rolling andbleeding edge what is?I don't speak english
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05:40<daemonkeeper>ayaka: There are three editions of Debian, one being Debian Unstable ("sid"). There you get the most recent software whenever you upgrade.
05:40<daemonkeeper>Be warned that it is - as the name suggests - unstable.
05:40<ayaka>daemonkeeper, because I afraid of ubuntu,so I sid it sable than ubuntu
05:40<ayaka>daemonkeeper, because I afraid of ubuntu,so does sid it sable than ubuntu
05:41<daemonkeeper>This is purely subjective. I _personally_ consider Debian Sid at least as stable as every given Ubuntu stable release.
05:41<nadir>try the stable release with backports.
05:41<nadir>If you think it is not "new" enough, try Debian "testing" or "unstable"
05:42<ayaka>daemonkeeper, ok I will down it,but I care about my /home
05:42<nadir>like said: for me stable/backports is new enough.
05:42<daemonkeeper>ayaka: You can upgrade your existing stable to unstable.
05:42<koollman>actually... testing is getting older and older. but it will become more recent when squeeze is released
05:42<daemonkeeper>In fact testing tends to be more broken than unstable for most time, because of unmet dependencies
05:43<ayaka>nadir, backports?some time I compiled myself,but some I need apt
05:43<daemonkeeper>Right now things are different, as we are close to a release.
05:43<XayOn>=/ Never had any unmet deps problems with testing.... Guess I don't update that much.
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05:43<nadir>It now is official.
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05:45<nadir>and read what deamonkeeper just said: we are very close to release... exception.
05:45<ayaka>why deb distributions are so little,for rpm I have many choose~~~~~~~~~~~
05:46<daemonkeeper>Well, things are different. There is much more than deb and rpm
05:46<nadir>ubuntu, mepis, antix, feather-linux, knoppix, sidux.... and what not
05:47<daemonkeeper>... Debian?
05:47<ayaka>nadir, I don't konw what is it means,it means them use release?
05:47<nadir>you said there are only a few deb distributions. I said i don'T see that problem.
05:47<ayaka>nadir, but some is not famous and some for specific language
05:49<ayaka>daemonkeeper, but I use ubuntu now ,if use debian can I remove ubuntu,but still use it /home ?
05:49<daemonkeeper>Yes, you can
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05:50<ayaka>daemonkeeper, very sure,but I want to use the same username
05:50<jmm__>evening, I'm installing debian on a computer with hardware raid, I setuped it for raid 1 with 2 disks( in the bios ) ,but in debian installer there is just the option for installing on one disk. did i miss something ?
05:50<daemonkeeper>No problem ayaka
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05:50<ayaka>jmm__, raid is as one disk
05:51<daemonkeeper>ayaka: by the way, if you have problem to understand English, consider #debian-zh where you can ask in Chinese (I think this is where you come from)
05:51<mjt>jmm__: linux works with that in-bios fake raid, but it's not recommended, and i'm not sure debian can be installed into such a disk
05:51<jmm__>mjt: oh it's that STUPID thing fake raid.
05:51<ayaka>daemonkeeper,why you konw, but there has a few people
05:51<daemonkeeper>ayaka: Your IP
05:52<jmm__>I just see sda and sdb instead of the raid array still.
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05:52<ayaka>daemonkeeper, ok what debian you use,I will follow you
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05:52<mjt>jmm__: yeah, that's what you'll see. there's a dm module (and dmsetup program) that can be used to build the array. but i've no idea if it's supported in the installer.
05:52<daemonkeeper>ayaka: I use Debian Unstable, but again - be warned - this may lead to some problems.
05:52<ayaka>jmm__, you said you don't see raid
05:53<jmm__>ayaka: I see the disk but it it was not raid.
05:53<ayaka>daemonkeeper, never mind,if I has problem,I can ask you
05:54<ayaka>jmm_you just choose achi ide and raid but not come in raid bios?
05:54<ayaka>jmm_you should config raid bios
05:54<jmm__>that what I did, I used the bios to make the raid 1 array.
05:55<ayaka>jmm_ what is your mainbroad (the logo)
05:55<ayaka>the company
05:55<jmm__>asus P5P43TD PRO
05:55<mjt>it's ahci raid, it does not make any difference which vendor it is
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05:56<ayaka>jmm__, made by taiwan
05:56<jmm__>mjt: I saw that in the bios.doe it mean it's fakeraid ?
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05:56<ayaka>mjr,no,raid should as one disk
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05:56<mjt>no consumer motherboard is produced with real hw raid.
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05:56<ayaka>jmm__, wait,I have it guide
05:56<jmm__>nice !
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05:57<daemonkeeper>mjt: Of course not, as such a RAID controller costs more than the entire consumer mainboard
05:57<mjt>daemonkeeper: tell that to jmm__ ;)
05:57<daemonkeeper>jmm__: *tell*
05:58<mjt>jmm__: btw, does your linux recognize the partition table?
05:58<mjt>jmm__: ie, does it see sda1 sda2 etc?
05:58<jmm__>mjt: yes.
05:58<ayaka>jmm__, do you use ctrl +f to raid bios
05:58<mjt>so you can install linux just fine. you can create raid array(s) in linux using mdadm.
05:58<jmm__>I use crtl + I
05:59<jmm__>mjt: that would not be software raid ?
05:59<ayaka>jmm__, may be the same,this is chinese mode,it's hard raid!!!
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05:59<mjt>hard raid! :)
06:00<daemonkeeper>Chances are a mdadm Software RAID is much better than the crippled, not noteworthy hardware RAID modes from consumer mainboards.
06:00<mjt>ayaka: it's a common misunderstanding
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06:00<jm_>especially if you keep in mind that it will work if you change to entirely different motherboard/arch/whatever
06:00<ayaka>daemonkeeper, I'm sure it is ,I used
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06:01<jmm__>oh common I'm bored of that stupid job.
06:01<ayaka>mjt, I konw,
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06:01<mjt>jmm__: both your onboard raid and mdadm linux raid are software raid solutions. but with mdadm you've more otions, it's much more flexible.
06:01<jmm__>doing shit everyday long for nothing. why would I care if it's done right.
06:01<ayaka>jmm__, may be your's is different to me
06:01<jmm__>who would put stupid RAID in a router/firewall anyway.
06:02<zem>someone who has too many disks at hand?
06:02<ayaka>but it is support by the chip,why it is not hard raid
06:02<jmm__>zem: ;)
06:02<ayaka>zem, me,I use hard for server,one of them are both 1t
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06:03<ayaka>so I care for my date,if I install debian,I down a lot of japanese game,comic
06:04<mjt>jmm__: i'm not sure how current that page is (ie, how much it applies to squeeze)
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06:04<jmm__>mjt: very nice,I'll read it.
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06:06<ayaka>daemonkeeper, sid is the debian-security?
06:06<daemonkeeper>You can't download debian unstable ("sid")
06:06<daemonkeeper>Use Debian Testing and upgrade later
06:06<daemonkeeper>Or feel free to keep stuck with testing
06:07<ayaka>daemonkeeper, I should download for this site ,because debian server is very slow
06:08<mjt>ayaka: re fake raid: e.g.
06:08<ayaka>daemonkeeper, and jidgo homepage is block by Great Wall,so I don't how to continue to down
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06:09<ayaka>mjt, how luck I'm,I use in ubuntu without problem
06:09<ayaka>mjt, so AMD chip does support raid?if I want to use raid I should buy a card?
06:10<daemonkeeper>ayaka: Your mirror has no Debian Testing. Look if one of those mirrors work
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06:11<ayaka>daemonkeeper, the current weekly snapshot of Debian testing?
06:11<mjt>ayaka: there's NO consumer motherboards with real hw raid support on the market.
06:11<daemonkeeper>To install Debian testing, we recommend you use the squeeze RC2 release of the installer, after checking its errata. <--
06:12<ayaka>mjt, oh,all the motherboard sell in china is that(for 2 years age)
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06:12<mjt>ayaka: they sure sell server-grade motherboards too
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06:13<ayaka>daemonkeeper, RTL8169-based network cards,how can I know my network card
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06:14<ayaka>RTL8111/8168B is very same to it
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06:15<daemonkeeper>No, its a different chipset.
06:15<mjt>but uses the same kernel driver
06:15<daemonkeeper>That can be
06:16<ayaka>daemonkeeper, the RTL are most used in china
06:16<daemonkeeper>Well, I guess everything we use comes either from China or Taiwan
06:17<ayaka>how sad,I can't buy Intel card
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06:17<ayaka>daemonkeeper, your hard disk and GPU,CPU,USB3.0 chip,CMOS,CCD are not
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06:19<ayaka>and most technology
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06:19<daemonkeeper>ayaka: The technology may be US American, the production is in China or Taiwan.
06:20<ayaka>daemonkeeper, wait you don't tell me the mirrors,
06:20<ayaka>does the have sid's apt source?
06:20<daemonkeeper>Don't know? Where's the repository?
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06:21<daemonkeeper>Both are Chinese
06:22<ayaka>daemonkeeper, you said 163's repository?in china,163 is a famous company the earliest net company
06:22<daemonkeeper>Nontheless that won't help you unless they have testing/sid in their archives
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06:23<ayaka>daemonkeeper, where is the iso in sid?
06:24<daemonkeeper>[12:06] <daemonkeeper> You can't download debian unstable ("sid")
06:24<daemonkeeper>[12:06] <daemonkeeper> Use Debian Testing and upgrade later
06:24<ayaka>daemonkeeper, I konw
06:25<ayaka>but there is not iso file in
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06:26<daemonkeeper>This is the _repository
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06:26<daemonkeeper>To download the testing iso, use
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06:27<ayaka>daemonkeeper, repository is means apt source?
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06:27<daemonkeeper>What you put in your sources.list yes
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06:30<ayaka>so ,then I can use it deb main non-free contrib in my sourlist?
06:31<ayaka>daemonkeeper, thank you ,I'm sorry to trouble ones and ones again.I can say goodbye to ubuntu!
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06:38<ayaka>daemonkeeper, but ,how to use grub2 to boot it?
06:39<daemonkeeper>To boot what?
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06:41<msferoz85>helllo people
06:41<msferoz85>i cant play sound for some reason .. anybody care to help?
06:41<joar>Squeeze release planned in february ? jippi :)
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06:42<ayaka>daemonkeeper, the iso
06:43<ayaka>msferoz85, where is your plus in front or in behide?is it normal before?
06:44<msferoz85>ayaka what plus? :S
06:44<daemonkeeper>ayaka: Why should that be a problem? Download the image, burn it to a CD, install. The installer will put you a grub-2 on your disk (if you like)
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06:45<ayaka>daemonkeeper, I don't have a cd rom
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06:46<daemonkeeper>Then you might consider to boot from a USB pen drive if your PC supports that.
06:46<joar>ayaka : try usb pen instead
06:46<ayaka>daemonkeeper, I want the grub2 boot the iso file to instal
06:46<daemonkeeper>You can't boot an ISO
06:46<joar>ayaka : Debian documentation explains in detail how to create a usb pendrive
06:46<ayaka>daemonkeeper, I do this by use grub4dos,I'm successful
06:47<ayaka>msferoz85, may be scoket in english
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06:48<slush>ayaka: ^ read that
06:48<ayaka>slush, yes that is
06:49<msferoz85>ayaka .. i am using both front and back panels .. they were working fine till a few logins back.
06:50<AgentC>is there a way to easily implement a radiostream for background on my website with a little controlpanel for start/stop/volume ?
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06:50<ayaka>msferoz85, do you try to reboot?so you off the sound?
06:50<ayaka>msferoz85, do you try to reboot?or you off the sound?
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06:51<msferoz85>ayaka yeah i tried rebooting a couple of times ... still doesnt work
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06:51<joar>msferoz85 : have U tried alsamixer from cli ? check if anythings in mute, unmute everything and see if sound suddenly comes back
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06:52<ayaka>msferoz85, all the sound can't hear,output from alsa and pulse and jack?
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06:54<hachi>anyone know what in the debian initramfs causes /dev/mapper to be populated?
06:54<msferoz85>ok i dont get it .. alsamixer shows my USB Webcam device which also has sound input, but no outpu of course ... maybe thats the problem .. how do i switch back to my nVidia HD audio card?
06:54<msferoz85>ayaka ok i dont get it .. alsamixer shows my USB Webcam device which also has sound input, but no outpu of course ... maybe thats the problem .. how do i switch back to my nVidia HD audio card?
06:54<hachi>I've got a box here that I can't get to boot, but when dumped to the initramfs shell to help it along, I can't get it to populate /dev/mapper
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06:55<ayaka>msferoz85, f6
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06:55<joar>msferoz85 google how to set default sound card linux, I don't remember how I solved it last time I had the problem
06:56<ayaka>joar,yes, it show in screnn
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06:56<ayaka>msferoz85, see alsamixer carefully
06:56<joar>msferoz85 try to unpplug your usb webcam, reboot and see if sound comes back, if so then you're sure that the webcam causes the problem :p
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06:57<slush>you don't have to reboot everytime
06:58<slush>unplugging should be sufficient
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07:00<classical>why there is no language support in System -> Administration on my debian lenny ?
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07:01<Lethalman>classical, it's in preferences
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07:01<Lethalman>classical, it _should_ be in preferences :P
07:02<Lethalman>classical, language is chosen when gnome is started up, so it depends on your DM (for example GDM)
07:02<Lethalman>classical, or take a look at ~/.dmrc
07:02<classical>yes but in ubuntu there is a language support and you can add
07:02<classical>multiple language support
07:02<classical>to your machine
07:03<Lethalman>classical, you can have as well with debian, but there's no graphical tool for that
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07:03<Lethalman>classical, dpkg-reconfigure -phigh locales
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07:07<classical>im still having a problem
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07:07<classical>does it need to be restarted
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07:10<qhubekela>dpkg 5.0.8
07:10<dpkg>Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.8 was released on January 22nd, 2011. This update corrects security problems within the <stable> release, along with adjustments for serious problems. . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>.
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07:15<Lethalman>classical, logout and choose your language in gdm
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07:25<AgentC>is there any source for sipgate VoIP which i can use to create a util for sending wave files directly to a phoneline ?
07:26<AgentC>autocall, for example sendsipwave 49471xxxxxx test.wav .... telephone rings, after connect the wav will be played once.
07:27<AgentC>is there something like that out somewhere?
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07:28*AgentC looked to google but didnt found anything identical
07:28<slush>Asterisk is able to do that, but it might a bit bloated for only just that
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07:31<AgentC>is it opensource? for my purpose is enough to: authent sipgate-user ; call phonenumber ; wait until connect is etablished ; send wavestream ; hangup ; logoff
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07:32<slush>AgentC: yes it's open source
07:32<jesus>what time is it ?
07:32*AgentC wants to use it as automatic alert system
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07:33<slush>AgentC: you might want to search through package descriptions
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07:33<slush>AgentC: there are several voip tools available
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07:34<AgentC>slush: do you think it is easy to extract the basefunctions from astarisk.
07:34<jesus>hello your mudin fucking
07:34<slush>no, it's too complex
07:34<AgentC>slush: what is there more? in best case i would like to have source in c
07:34*AgentC kicks jesus for f*ck
07:35<themill>!es-social jesus
07:35<dpkg>jesus: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
07:35<jesus>kick agent
07:36<aDuck>amigos? ah.
07:36<babilen>AgentC: Try #asterisk on freenode -- They might be able to tell you how hard it is to configure asterisk to do what you want it to, or point out other tools. There is also #debian-voip fwiw
07:37<babilen>AgentC: There is also no need to self-censor your speech in here, just like there is no need to use profanity in the first place.
07:37<jesus>your mudin fucking !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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07:39<AgentC>babilen: ok i try on that channel, what i need is imho just a 5kb source. btw. i dont like that when people playing irc-war
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07:40<babilen>AgentC: I agree with you on the IRC war, just ignore/pity them.
07:41<AgentC>babilen: oki
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07:49<Rovanion>Bah, I strongly dislike some keyboards that place ' far to awkward in relation to enter
07:51<Rovanion>Anyhow, I'm having networking issues. It seems like I'm getting my settings alright from the DHCP server but when trying to ping I get: Connect: Network in unreachable
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07:52<AgentC>babilen: for remember: heiko sommerfeldt is the programmer of phonerlite , a sip-soft-phone , i contacted him. he tells he do not use sipgate api , just SIP. i asked him again, perhaps he'll help me. if so, shall i publish that for other people ?
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07:53<icebrain>Rovanion: tried pinging the DNS server?
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07:53<AgentC>hi sret
07:54<Rovanion>ichdasich: No, how do I find it's IP?
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07:54<sret>hi AgentC
07:54<sret>Rovanion: got a firewall or something?
07:55<AgentC>babilen: case blootbot: where and how I have to place the ECONV entry to the config to recognize !cmdlines in channel ?
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07:55<Rovanion>sret: Yes, an integrated router. I can ping that and other parts of my LAN just fine it seems
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07:57<sret>so it just stopped woring outta the blue or after you installed or restarted or something?
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07:58<drone77>Rovanion: ping
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07:58<sret>hi drone77
07:58<randy_>I want to install squeeze RC2 release,but how to boot from hd?I use grub2
07:58<Rovanion>drone77: Unreachable
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07:59<sret>Rovanion: restart your router perhaps?
07:59<drone77>Rovanion: and IRC is?
08:00<Rovanion>sret: A Windows computer has been having networking issues lately. But I thought that was just the OS borking out since I could reach the network just fine from Fedora on the same box
08:00<jm_>randy_: install boot loader
08:00<randy_>jm_I have grub2
08:00<Rovanion>I'm currectly connecting to IRC on another computer on the same network drone77
08:00<sret>ok so its just debian that's having an issue there with the network
08:01<randy_>jm_, I want to install debian from hd
08:01<drone77>Rovanion: so route and /etc/resolv.conf have the correct settings?
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08:01<jm_>randy_: so why don't you?
08:02<randy_>jm_install boot loader,I said I have grub2 now and had installed
08:02<sret>yeah i would check the etc/resolv.conf settings
08:02<sret>Rovanion: try putting the nameserver to your router's ip
08:03<drone77>Rovanion: you'll never guess, a machine i am currently configuring just did the same
08:03<drone77>Rovanion: yet i'm connected to it via ssh
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08:03<jm_>randy_: yes, I get it; so go ahead and install debian
08:03<sret>hi jm_
08:03<Rovanion>etc/resolv.conf has my router set as nameserver
08:03<Rovanion>So it was just fine
08:03<sret>and dhclient?
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08:04<randy_>jm_, but how to boot debian.iso
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08:04<drone77>Rovanion: as i say i just had this issue (weird coincidence) and dhclient3 eth0 did it, obviously not for you
08:04<jm_>randy_: debian installation manual explains how to install it from hard disk,grub2 also has loop module so you can load initrd/kernel from the CD
08:04<randy_>jm_, I had try but installer tell me can't find iso file,I place in a ext4
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08:05<jm_>randy_: I don't know off top of my head where installer looks for the ISO, maybe check tty3 and up for clues
08:05<randy_>jm_please give me link,because I don't know english
08:05<sret>drone77: you get a lot of issues compared to i do:P
08:06<Rovanion> /etc/dhcp/dhclient and /etc/dhcp3/dhclient are both empty
08:06<drone77>sret yeah, i have no idea why either... dodgey bloke, eh?
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08:06<sret>Rovanion: that should be eth0
08:07<Rovanion>sret: What should be eth0?
08:07<jm_>randy_: has links to translated installation manuals
08:07<drone77>Rovanion: no /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf ?
08:08<drone77>Rovanion: try resetting the interface and config manually
08:08<sret>should be eth0
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08:09<randy_>jm_, that is grub,not grub2
08:09<Rovanion>Should I un# the alias array that contains interface "eth0"; ?
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08:10<jm_>randy_: you can find commands for grub2 on grub2 wiki
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08:11<drone77>Rovanion: pastebin your dhclient file after trying what i said ^ and that's a no
08:11<randy_>jm_, may I have no link to debian
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08:11<Rovanion>drone77: Say how do I reset the interface and config? rm ?
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08:12<sret>if config eth0
08:12<sret>ifup eth0
08:12<jm_>randy_: what do you mean?
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08:12<sret>sudo dhclient -r and then sudo dhclient should get oyu a fresh ip
08:13<sret>sorry ifdown eth0, ifup eth0, /etc/init.d/network restart
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08:14<randy_>jm_, where is the vmlinuz for hd-media ?
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08:14<sret>drone77: does that look right to restart?
08:15<jm_>randy_: installation manual explains that doesn't it?
08:15<Rovanion>Thank you sret, I will save those lines somewhere. Will come in handy
08:15<randy_>jm_, I don't there said,this is not link
08:15<drone77>Rovanion: try dhclient -r eth0 first, it's easier - if still doesn't work: ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 up;
08:16<drone77>sret Rovanion ifup uses /etc/network/interfaces to configure the device
08:16<jm_>randy_: maybe try asking in the chinese debian channel
08:17<randy_>jm_, ok ,but the 20110106/ one or currect/ one for RC2
08:17<sret>drone77: yeah eitherhe can start the dhcclient and get a fresh ip or do an ifdown ifup
08:18<sret>im guessing if he's getting a connection in the rest of the machines this is an ip renew thing he needs to restart it
08:18<drone77>Rovanion: unless what he said worked...? then try dhclient again (dhclient eth0) or config manually with req. settings: ifconfig eth0 <desired ip> netnetmask; route add default gateway <gateway ip>;
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08:19<drone77>sret: yes if that's how /etc/network/interfaces is config'd to do
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08:19<sret>drone77: ah ok
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08:19<jm_>randy_: rc2 is in the current dir
08:19<sret>that's one good thing about linux these days, picks up dhcp right away, even when i was on that old ass fedora 8
08:19<sret>all i had to do was plug in and everything picked up
08:20<Rovanion>Yes drone77, thank both you and sret: It all worked out fine now.
08:20<sret>Rovanion: cool
08:20<drone77>sret fedora 8 is old? only 09!
08:21<sret>drone77: its EOL though
08:21<sret>i was on that before i upgraded to debian:P
08:21<Rovanion>Fedora 8 was the first distribution I used on my own
08:21<sret>so did i
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08:21<jmm__>I like the word 'upgraded' for changing distro to debian :)
08:21<sret>heh jmm__
08:22<randy_>jm_, in gtk/ one?
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08:23<Rovanion>Is anyone of you using KDE3.5?
08:23<jm_>randy_: that's graphical installer I guess
08:23<Rovanion>I'm just curious
08:24<randy_>jm_so normal one is ok
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08:25<sret>im on GNOME
08:26<Rovanion>My SLIM is not responding to TERM signals it says when I run sudo /etc/init.d/slim stop. Is there any way to make the init script throw a kill signal at the process instead of a term?
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08:27<randy_>jm_, I will reboot thank you
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08:28<babilen>Rovanion: Just do it yourself, you can specify a signal for killall with "-s SIGNAL" or use "pidof slim" to the the PIDs and then "kill -9 PID1 PID2 ... PIDN"
08:29<sret>hi babilen
08:30<babilen>hei ioria
08:30<ioria>it's my first time here... where i can find the rules ? tx
08:30<Rovanion>did a: ps aux | grep slim and then kill -9 PID
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08:31<cahoot>ioria: try /topic
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08:31<AgentC>Rovanion: rm -rf /
08:31<ioria>in the
08:31<AgentC>Rovanion: ;) smile
08:31<randy_>jm_, no use,I think I should bear ubuntu for a time
08:31*Rovanion kickbans AgentC
08:31<cahoot>Rovanion: pkill slim?
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08:32*AgentC agree ... ;-)
08:32<Rovanion>cahoot: That's probably a bit more efficent
08:32<babilen>ioria: general netiquette applies. For more information on the channel see, for example,
08:32<ioria>yes ... in the FAQ...
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08:33<equipo16-07>Ola manamiii
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08:33<grummund>Hi, i'm trying to create a similar behaviour as the "hubbed_hosts" router in exim, but where the file lists full address instead of just the domain to be routed to...
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08:33<themill>!es-social equipo15-07, equipo16-07
08:33<dpkg>equipo15-07, equipo16-07: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
08:33<randy_>does debian still use grub lecgry?
08:34<grummund>is there a way in exim syntax to extractjust the domain part from an lsearch lookup?
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08:34<cahoot>ioria: I think you can condense the to: debian related discussion in english, no privmsg without asking permission
08:34<Rovanion>randy_: Lenny or Squeeze, yes and no
08:34<ioria>thanks babilen
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08:34<randy_>Rovanion, lenny
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08:35<Rovanion>randy_: By default yes
08:35<ioria>thanks cahoot
08:35<ladoga>randy_: Squeeze uses grub2, lenny grub legacy
08:35<randy_>Rovanion, I know,thank you
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08:36<randy_>squeeze doesn't have livecd does he?
08:36<drone77>randy_: check debian installer (google)
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08:37<ladoga>btw. why did naming convention for partitions change to ms-dos style in grub2?
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08:38<randy_>drone77, yes,I download from there
08:39<ladoga>hd(0,0) is now hd(0,1) and so on...whats the point in numbering partitions differently from drives?
08:40<bones_was_here>should have done it linux style hd(a,1) :)
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08:40<drone77>randy_: what's the issue? or do you mean you shall? (
08:41<ladoga>other than confusing people :)
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08:42<ladoga>bones_was_here: yes that or have same logic when naming drives too
08:42<babilen>ladoga: I would ask #grub on freenode -- and yes, confusing people was clearly one of the release goals in grub2
08:42<randy_>drone77, this one ,file in it not a live cd
08:42<ladoga>bones_was_here: like hd(1,1) being first partition of first drive
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08:43<drone77>randy_: oooh sorry i misunderstood livecd as installer cd
08:43<ladoga>babilen: also i think some of grub commands changed just for the sake of it
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08:43<randy_>drone77, never mind,tell me where is the live one
08:43<randy_>drone77, rc1
08:44<drone77>randy_: just go to then
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08:45<randy_>ok,them can boot from hd?
08:46<babilen>randy_: Have you considered using "debootstrap" ?
08:46<drone77>randy_: they are livecds
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08:47<randy_>babilen, what is it,a program,I just want to boot a iso,like I installed ubuntu
08:47<babilen>randy_: And if you don't want this: (adjust for squeeze if you want to install squeeze)
08:47<dpkg>debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>.
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08:49<babilen>randy_: There are no instructions for grub2 though
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08:49<randy_>babilen, I have try before ,them can't find iso file(not this file in )
08:49<randy_>babilen, I try to write it in grub2 style
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08:51<ladoga>babilen: i was not saying that grub2 isn't better - new functionality is nice - but it's hard to see reason for renamed commands and new syntax
08:51<ladoga>babilen: as in why to fix something that isn't broke
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08:54<ayaka>babilen, you see,thanks to ubuntu,my computer can auto reboot
08:55<babilen>ayaka: auto reboot?
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08:55<ayaka>babilen, yes,I just plugs audio plug
08:56<sret>you can auto reboot in debian too
08:56<ayaka>sret, no,I don't want it
08:56<babilen>ayaka: Your system reboots automatically when you plug something into the audio plug? -- I think/hope I misunderstand you
08:56<sret>i havent tried it but im sure you can
08:56<sret>prolly a script to do it
08:56<ayaka>babilen, may on today
08:56<sret>ayaka: why not
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08:59<ayaka>babilen, because my computer's electrictry have some problem
08:59<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
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09:52<randy_>does squeesze doesn't support when install?
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09:54<babilen>randy_: Does not support what?
09:55<randy_>babilen, ext4
09:56<babilen>randy_: it does AFAIK
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09:57<randy_>babilen, support or not?
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09:57<babilen>ext4 is supported as far as i know
09:57<babilen>(up to 16TiB in size only)
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10:00<randy_>babilen, but installer can't scan my iso in ext4
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10:00<babilen>randy_: May I have a ....*sigh*
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10:02<|jmm>hehe shocked by iso's ext4 ;)
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10:10<babilen>sret: "so" what? ;)
10:10<sret>oh was checking if i was still here lol
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10:11<babilen>sret: You are not. It is all a dream and this is just an extemely advanced artificial intelligence which will make you believe that *you* are the computer ;)
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10:12<babilen>also: take the blue pill *knock* *knock*
10:12<daemonkeeper>I wish I chose the red pill
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10:18<yoanis>hi there
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10:19<yoanis>trying to install squeeze on an IBM JS21 blade and i get this error after loading the kernel: Detected bad memory access to: <memory address>
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10:20<yoanis>Package path: = /packages/boot-mgr
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10:28<AgentC>am i allowed to insert info about stun into dpkg ?
10:29<AgentC>i would leave info for world about my learning in case of VoIP
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10:31<amphi>AgentC: debian wiki perhaps?
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10:38<AgentC>amphi: it was and is very hard to find information about that coding mechanisms, i would like to let you know about how it works. a wiki isnt a bad idea, is the adress ? (subdomain?)
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10:39<amphi>AgentC: that'll work
10:39<sret>just wondering to monitor ddos how do you in debian
10:40<sret>well there are tools to monitor network traffic but i mean specifically ddos, how do you isolate it to see what's ddos from what's not in the traffic?
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10:51<AgentC>amphi: on that wiki no info avail. i'll expand it when i finished my work.
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10:52<AgentC>amphi: topics: stun (server) , sip , sipgate etc.
10:52<joe6>does this error make sense to you: error: exiting on error base-installer/debootstrap-failed
10:52<joe6>configuring 'bootstrap-base' failed with error-code 30
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10:52<joe6>is this a known issue?
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10:53<joe6>can I post installation issues here?
10:53<joe6>or, atleast does anyone know where I can find the error-codes?
10:54<mjt>error-code 30 most likely means EROFS "Read-only file system"
10:54<AgentC>amphi: the coder of phonerlite tells me by email: believe me, that is not made in just a fast day. | and all just for sending a wavefile to a normal phonenumber. ok , 1 day is over and nothing works. he was right :-)
10:55<joe6>mjt: that does not make sense as I asked the partitioner to use the full disk for the install and it is a 20GB disk. It partitioned it to a 18.x / and 800MB for swap.
10:56<joe6>I noticed that before the error message, there was some error in /var/log about different forms.
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10:57<joe6>the errors are:
10:57<mjt>it does not matter how you partitioned your drive or how large it is
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10:57<joe6>timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl
10:58<amphi>AgentC: heh
10:58<joe6>usage: /usr/lib/debootstrap/pkgdetails PKGS mirror packagesfile pkgs...
10:58<joe6>and there are 3 more of such usage messages
10:58<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
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10:59<joe6>mjt: and all the above messages have a prefix of debootstrap.
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10:59<joe6>could it be due to some old debootstrap package? even google does not seem to have much infor on error-code 30
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11:00<ballison>i'm having an issue with /etc/mail/mailertable ... the final line in is read ". local:catchall" which sends all mail to a "catchall" account locally
11:00<joe6>mjt: does it mean that the harddisk is fried?
11:00<ballison>problem is I want to send mail to myself off this box. looks like mailertable only does domains
11:01<joe6>mjt: i am manually partitioning the hard-disk now and also formatting it, just to make sure that it is not the issue.
11:01<joe6>mjt: would that help?
11:01<mjt>joe6: it means nothing really. the actual error is before all that.
11:01<ballison>so i can't use mailertable because my domain is the same domain as the local host's domain. so ... is there any way I can specify a smtp relay server FROM THE COMMAND LINE using mail ?
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11:02<joe6>mjt: what do you mean? where can it be? "install of the base system"?
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11:02<mjt>in the logfile
11:02<mjt>pastebin some 50 last lines from it
11:03<ballison>meaning, can i go "cat /etc/resolv.conf | mail
11:03<joe6>mjt: how do i get the log out of the system? it is installing and does the shell prompt have ssh at that phase?
11:04<mjt>how do you paste other lines?
11:04<joe6>typed them in
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11:05<kop>joe6: Worst case, instead of using vga you connect the box to another with a serial cable and capture the serial output with your terminal emulator.
11:06<joe6>kop: good idea, let me try that. btw, can I have both vga and the serial cable connected. or does it have to be one or the other?
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11:06<mjt>you can have both
11:06<joe6>mjt: ok, thanks. let me do that. Thanks a lot.
11:07<mjt>i'm not sure it is really necessary
11:07<ballison>or does anyone know if there's a way to put a SINGLE USER exception into /etc/mail/mailertable ?
11:07<mjt>joe6: take a look at, for example,
11:07<kop>joe6: There might be a better way. I'm not following everything here.
11:07<ballison>meaning if I send mail to "" then ignore the rest of the rules in the mailertable for
11:07<mjt>joe6: i'm NOT saying it's the bug that affects your case, but just as an example
11:08<mjt>joe6: the actual error is this one: Jul 21 20:23:34 in-target: readlink: missing operand
11:08<mjt>joe6: which is in this stage: debconf: Obsolete command TITLE Configuring linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 called
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11:09<mjt>you should have something similar in your case too
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11:17<joe6>mjt: I see the error happening with 3 lines of "usage: /debootstrap/pkgdetails" -- other than that everything seems ok.
11:18<joe6>i am installing stable and I used gnewSense to get to this stage.
11:18<joe6>Should I have gone with testing?
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11:18<mjt>well, i'd say testing is more appripriate at this stage, but stable should work too
11:19<kop>joe6: FYI see below
11:19<dpkg>For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
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11:19<mjt>so debootstrap is calling pkgdetails with wrong parameters
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11:20<kop>joe6: (I can't tell what your problem is. A new kernel will work better with newer hardware.)
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11:20<mjt>kop: so far his probe isn't hw compatibility
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11:21<kop>mjt: Do you know what it is?
11:21<Class>do i need to install nvidias official driver to benefit from flash player's Video Acceleration ?
11:22<joe6>mjt: the "debootstrap calling pkgdetails with the wrong parameters" is only issue that I can see. Yes, it makes sense to go for testing.
11:23<joe6>Do you know if I can change the distribution to testing at this stage. I do not see an /etc/apt/ directory.
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11:23<joe6>could it be the /etc/default-release?
11:23<mjt>it's debian-release not default
11:24<mjt>and no, not at this stage
11:24<joe6>no, there is no file called /etc/debian-release
11:24<joe6>there is a /etc/cdebconf.conf
11:25<joe6>or /etc/udebs-source
11:25<joe6>both these files have lenny in them.
11:26<mjt>it is possible to switch the release name at this time, but you'll have to perform manual install on your own
11:26<Class>is there any program for monitoring gpu performance ? similar as top or htop
11:26<joe6>or could it be /gnewsense.cfg?
11:26<joe6>what do you mean by "perform manual install"?
11:26<mjt>calling all the commands manually
11:26<mjt>not from the interface
11:27<joe6>if I have the commands, then sure I could do that.
11:27<joe6>do you know where I can find the commands on the web?
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11:27<mjt>is that really debian?
11:27<dpkg>gNewSense GNU/Linux is an operating system based on <Ubuntu>, without most non-free software/firmware/binary-only blobs, but with <GFDL>-licensed documentation. #gnewsense on
11:28<joe6>i am under the impression that it was installing debian. Sorry, looks like I was mistaken
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11:28<joe6>I want debian though.
11:28<mjt>well, lenny is debian
11:28<joe6>i use debian on another machine and I want this m/c to be the same.
11:29<Class>where can i see if i have installed my video card driver ?
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11:31<kop>Class: I always do something like "aptitude search ~ivideo".
11:31<kop>Class: That's probably not a general solution.
11:31<mjt>joe6: i'm not sure how old or relevant that dpkg factoid is nowadays, but my point is: that's at least not the original debian installation media. Lenny install images has been tested and used on LOTS of machines and cases, and the error you're seeing seems like some bad incompatibility between internal installer components.
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11:32<joe6>mjt: what you are saying makes sense. I will just dig out some old debian install cd's that I have and take it from there?
11:32<Class>kolter, thanks :) there is only xorg i cant see nvidia
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11:33<kop>joe6: Sure, or download the netinstall image. It's small.
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11:33<kop>joe6: So long as you've got lenny no point in re-downloading.
11:34<mjt>joe6: also, just for record, I'm not telling that gnewsense are bad folks or they produce buggy stuff. I just don't know where you've got that install from, and in what state it is. It definitely needs some debuggung... ;)
11:35<joe6>kop: i do not know how to get the netinstall image on to that machine. I do not see a wget on that m/c.
11:35<mjt>that's about CDs or usb sticks ;)
11:35<kop>joe6: The netinstall image is a cd image. You'd need to burn it.
11:35<joe6>mjt: i understand what you are saying. do not have to worry about clarifying..
11:36<kop>joe6: Note also that we're about to have a new stable release. It might make sense to install that instead of having to upgrade. (On the other hand, nothing wrong with reading the release notes and going through an upgrade just so you know you can do it.)
11:36<joe6>ok, just let me try the debian testing cd's that I have from a few years ago. this machine belongs to the early 2000's and I kind of think that the cd's might work.
11:37<joe6>once, I have apt there, the rest is smooth going.
11:37<AgentC>is there a tool out what can countdown an event like crontab? i have to insert an entry for "do that job in 24 hours if not reject before" ... the app shall send a message when server is down more then 24 hours.
11:37<kop>joe6: Everything new works with old stuff, almost always.
11:37<kop>AgentC: man at, then cancel the job if necessary later.
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11:38<joe6>kop: i have done quite a few debian upgrades before this. this debian install is a lot better than those i did around 2004..
11:38<joe6>yes, just ran the old install again. and just for the record, it definitely is the pkgdetails parameters.
11:38<dli>with debian testing/xfce, how do I authorize "udisks --mount" of usb disks for users. current I got "not authorized"
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11:39<dli>joe6, I found old installers better, because we didn't have wifi cards to worry
11:39<kop>!desktop groups
11:39<dpkg>The standard groups in Debian that a desktop user would normally be in are: dialout (modem/serial usage), cdrom (CD/DVD), floppy, audio, video (video devices), plugdev (USB disks), netdev (network configuration through hal/networkmanager/wicd), powerdev (power scheme management). Ask me about <group> and <groups>.
11:39<AgentC>kop: ok, but that ipscan scans the other server, if not present i have to add a crontab-entry, but for remove i would have to parse the hole crontab file. is there an easier way?
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11:40<kop>AgentC: 'at' is different from cron.
11:40<dli>kop, plugdev is for hal, not for udisks :(
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11:40<AgentC>kop: i dont know "at". :-?
11:40<kop>AgentC: Although it might be better just to program something.
11:40<kop>AgentC: man at
11:41*AgentC takes a look
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11:42<AgentC>kop: thanks, i see, that would work. :)
11:43<AgentC>kop: i need that for individual handling of any ip in my webmonitor/portscan app.
11:45<AgentC>kop: when my server@home disconnects for longer time
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11:59<joe6>i am seeing a bunch of "kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0" messages. Wondering what they mean..
11:59<|jmm>you floppy is in troubles :)
11:59<joe6>and i disconnected the floppydisk
12:00<|jmm>if you disconected it without disabling it in the bios, this maybe your problem.
12:00<joe6>that is what I thought initially, and removed the floppy connection.
12:00<joe6>|jmm: makes perfect sense. that could be it.
12:00<joe6>|jmm: i know that i did not disable it in the bios.
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12:01<|jmm>where do you see thoses messages ?
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12:01<dli>joe6, then, disable floppy kernel module
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12:01<joe6>when installing debian testing, in the console 4.
12:02<|jmm>just forget about it so.
12:02<joe6>dli: ok, thanks, will do so.
12:02<joe6>|jmm: ok, thanks.
12:02<|jmm>time to get back to home.
12:02<|jmm>cya guys.
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12:26<catoblepas>I'm re-installing Debian now. I am going to make the ultimate desktop/productivity beast machine. Should I use debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso 26-Jan-2011 16:10 189M
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12:28<joe6>catoblepas: i have been a debian user for quite some time and am not a debian employee. From my experience, debian testing is a good balance between bleeding-edge vs old.
12:28<catoblepas>If I set up my sources.list to use "squeeze" everything, would anything change or would I have to dist-upgrade when squeeze is released (weekend of feb 5-6th)? Or only if I changed sources.list to "testing" everything after squeeze was released
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12:29<cahoot>if you have testing avfter release you'll stumble into the new testing (wheezy)
12:29<mjt>right now squeeze == testing. Your dist-upgrade will bring some last-minute changes after release. If you'll set it to track 'testing' it will track testing forever.
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12:36<catoblepas>mjt; but after "wheezy" release, if my souces.list is testing will I have to dist-upgrade?
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12:40<babilen>catoblepas: You will face a bumpy ride after the release as a lot of packages move from experimental to unstable to testing (wheezy)
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12:40<catoblepas>babilen; thanks, I'll do "squeeze" everything and dist-upgrade afterwards.
12:41<babilen>catoblepas: I would recommend using the rc2 installer for squeeze these days -- Check the errata first, before you try it though, because there are some known problems (e.g. it hangs with RTL8169 NICs) --
12:42<grummund>why is it illegal to use cname like this? -- @ IN CNAME name
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12:43<catoblepas>babilen; thanks!
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12:45<babilen>grummund: Because it violates RFC 1034? (@ is used in email addresses for example)
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12:46<grummund>@ is valid for other record types, but not CNAME
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12:46<grummund>valid -- @ IN A
12:47<grummund>invalid -- @ IN CNAME name
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12:49<retrospectacus>grummund, it might work if you have no other records in that zone
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12:50<grummund>how so?
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12:53<Class>i have old GeForce2 MX/MX 400 video card now im installing this then i must stop the gdm and run nvidia driver installatin
12:53<Class>and thats all ?
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12:55<retrospectacus>grummund I am not familiar with "@" record though
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12:55<babilen>grummund: Ah, you mean in bind9 configuration not the actual name?
12:55<retrospectacus>but I know CNAME is not allowed to have other records with it
12:56<grummund>retrospectacus: hmm, but it's not a wildcard... @ specifically means the parent name (although probably that's the wrong term)
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12:57<grummund>if the zone is then @ IN A defines an address specifically for
12:57<retrospectacus>the "empty" record
12:57<grummund>just like www IN A does for
12:58<grummund>i'm just curious why it's illegal for CNAME, that's all..
12:58*grummund heads off to google
12:58*babilen recommends #bind /#dns on freenode
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12:59<retrospectacus>I remember fighting with this, you have an error "Error: CNAME and other data" right... it "just doesn't work" :(
12:59<grummund>babilen: would have more luck asking at the local church graveyard
12:59<grummund>retrospectacus: yeah... well i fixed the error by using an A record instead
13:00<retrospectacus>you can't have @ IN CNAME and e.g. IN MX
13:00<grummund>ah.. that'd be it then
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13:00*grummund used it for both NS and MX and TXT already ;)
13:01<retrospectacus>yeah cannot have anything AND CNAME
13:01<retrospectacus>why? no idea
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13:02<grummund>it would create a conflict
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13:09<retrospectacus>apparently. If I learned more about bind I'm sure it would all come together
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13:39<Dominus>Does anyone have any experience with exim4 + dovecot?
13:40<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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13:43<martin_34>alguien habla español?
13:43<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:48<jhutchins_lt>Dominus: If you have a question regarding exim4 and/or dovecot just ask.
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13:50<Dominus>Yeah, I just didn't see that dpkg message, I was messing around with exim and dovecot.. Anyway. My problem is: I'm trying to set up a mail server using exim4 and dovecot, but I'm having some problems. I've tried to follow the guides from the dovecot wiki & the exim documentation, but I don't know what I should type in order to make my mail accounts on the server work in my mail program on my computer (this)
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13:51<Dominus>I configured exim4 using dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
13:51<retrospectacus>Dominus: how do your mail accounts "not work" in your mail program (which?) on your computer?
13:51<Dominus>Then installed dovecot using apt-get, and then I tried to configure it, and when I do openssl s_client -connect myip:pop3s, it worked..
13:52<Dominus>retrospectacus: It says that my server doesn't answer
13:52<jordanm>Dominus: that doesn't sound like a very exact error
13:52<Dominus>retrospectacus: Also - I don't quite know what I should type in the IMAP & SMTP field, I tried make it listen on *:14000 for imap, but that doesn't seem to work
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13:53<retrospectacus>should be 143
13:53<retrospectacus>the field in the mail client? just the server name or IP
13:53<retrospectacus>SMTP should be your ISP's
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13:54<Dominus>which ISP? The one for my internet at home or at the server?
13:55<jordanm>you can use authenticated relay with exim4. i use the built-in md5 auth over tls
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13:55<retrospectacus>you can use your own server for smtp if you really want to but your ISP may block that
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13:57<jordanm>retrospectacus: alternate ports :)
13:58<retrospectacus>587 :)
13:59<jordanm>my work actually uses 26 which is kind-of odd
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14:00<retrospectacus>for authenticated smtp? 587 is standard. Maybe it is just an open relay and they "hide" it on port 26 ;)
14:00<FredGeek>hi, i can't get my USB PLAYSTATION ADAPTOR to work on squeeze, someone can help me?
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14:01<Dominus>jordanm: I'm afraid to say, that I don't know how to use the authenticated relay with exim4.
14:02<jordanm>Dominus: just uncomment the relevant section from the config
14:02<Dominus>jordanm: Hmm. Ok, I'll try
14:02<retrospectacus>Dominus, you can just use your ISP's smtp for outgoing mail. That's the usual way, unless you are having problem with that or don't know it or want to hide your mail from them
14:02<jordanm>I use the split file setup, not sure how it works with the template thing
14:03<jordanm>retrospectacus: what about SPF?
14:03<retrospectacus>if your domain has that then yes you'll want to use smtp-auth
14:03*jordanm wouldn't want an ISP's server in his SPF record
14:04<Dominus>jordanm: Is the split config setup easier to modify??
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14:04<jordanm>depends on your preference, that is just the way I learned and have always done it
14:05<Dominus>Hmm.. Okay
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14:11<retrospectacus>cris: good afternoon
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14:17<Dominus>The documentation that comes with exim4 is really bad, I think.. ):
14:17<Dominus>It says in order to activate TLS, you should add the macro MAIN_TLS_ENABLE, but it doesn't say if it should be = true, og not = anything or what you should do ..
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14:23<retrospectacus>Dominus: I don't know exim but "macro" means that MAIN_TLS_ENABLE is a command, just put that word ona (uncommented) line
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14:23<joe6>i just installed debian on a new machine and /etc/debian_version = 6.0 (kernel 2.6.22). On another computer that I use, the /etc/debian_version = 6.0, but the kernel is 2.6.32. I notice that apt-get upgrade (with sources.list pointing to testing) is not upgrading the kernel.
14:23<joe6>Any thoughts, please? is this expected behaviour?
14:23<Dominus>retrospectacus: Okay, thanks.
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14:23<retrospectacus>joe6, try apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686
14:24<retrospectacus>or linux-image-2.6-amd64 or so
14:24<joe6>retrospectacus: ok, thanks
14:24<Dominus>Hi, cris..
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14:25<retrospectacus>cris: yes you are online. If you don't have anything to say please keep quiet
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14:26<cris>in spanish
14:26<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:27<joe6>does apt-get work in parallel? If I have more than one mirror pointing to the same distribution. does it download packages in parallel?
14:27<retrospectacus>joe6: yes
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14:27<cris>entra en la del español
14:28<retrospectacus>cris: "/join #debian-es" tecleado en la linea de chat
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14:36<jhutchins_lt>joe6: When using aptitude you won't get the new kernel without using full-upgrade instead of upgrade.
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14:37<jhutchins_lt>joe6: I believe the same is true of apt-get
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14:39<joe6>jhutchins_lt: thanks, will try full-upgrade
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14:43<sret>my irc client has a translator
14:43<sret>epic > irssi
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14:43<sret>i can also look up linux commands and unix commands
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15:49<gpm>hi all. i'm getting a (not surprisingly) daily email which looks like this, any clues as to a cause and/or solution to make it stop?
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15:52<dli>gpm, what is colebear?
15:52<dondelelcaro>dli: it's the hostname
15:52<dondelelcaro>gpm: one of the daemons that logrotate is trying to stop has been killed but still has a pidfile
15:52<dondelelcaro>(or really, one of them that it is trying to restart)
15:52<gpm>dondelelcaro: hm
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15:53<gpm>so, is there a way for me to remove the pidfile?
15:53<dondelelcaro>gpm: without knowing precisely what you have installed, I can't tell you exactly which one, but it'll be something in /var/run
15:53<dondelelcaro>gpm: and normally the pidfile will be called
15:53<dli>gpm, grep 1547 /var/run/*
15:54<dondelelcaro>you'll probably actually want find /var/run -type f -name '*.pid' -print0|xargs -0 grep 1547; but yes...
15:55<gpm>well, even with sudo all i get is grep: /var/run/exim4/ Permission denied
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15:55<gpm>but still...seems to suggest there's no such file
15:55<dondelelcaro>gpm: because you're not running them both under sudo
15:55<dondelelcaro>sudo find /var/run -type f -name '*.pid' -print0|sudo xargs -0 grep 1547;
15:55<dli>gpm, sudo grep -rH 1547 /var/run
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15:57<gpm>dondelelcaro: yeah good call. still, nada.
15:57<gpm>so, other possibilities?
15:58<dondelelcaro>gpm: alternatively, you have something which is flapping; is the pid always the same?
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15:59<gpm>dondelelcaro: no...i'm not positive but it seems to change every time i reboot (?)
16:00<gpm>i'm guessing cause it changes every few days
16:00<dondelelcaro>gpm: does it change if you haven't rebooted?
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16:00<dondelelcaro>and have you rebooted since you got the cron message?
16:01<dli>gpm, I suggest you go over things enabled daily in /etc/logrotate.d/
16:01<gpm>well it's hard to tell because these are delay messages
16:01<gpm>so they come a while after the attempts i think
16:02<gpm>that's why i'm guessing.
16:02<gpm>dli: will do.
16:02<dli>gpm, manually run the scripts for daily
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16:13<gpm>dli: how do i run these scripts?
16:14<gpm>also there's no mention of "daily" in /etc/logrotate.d
16:14<dli>gpm, I think you only need to test '/etc/init.d/foo ' lines manually
16:15<dli>gpm, grep daily /etc/logrotate.d/*
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16:23<gpm>dli: ok. that brings it down to two possibilities, exim and rsyslog, i just /etc/init.d/foo restarted both of them and no errors were reported....on stdout anyway
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16:26<dli>gpm, my exim4 doesn't do restart/reload in logrotate.d/
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16:27<dli>gpm, rsyslog could be the cause
16:27<gpm>dli: i guess i'm wondering where i go from here...
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16:28<dli>gpm, try to disable rsyslog for debugging
16:30<gpm>i don't even know how to disable it :( update-rc.d?
16:30<dli>gpm, I'm not sure, maybe, 'sh /etc/cron.daily/logrotate' to test
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16:31<dli>gpm, maybe, enough to move away /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog
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16:34<gpm>it just seems like there should be a solution more akin to removing a pidfile
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16:38<ekim>anyone using 5.07 in vm?
16:38<ekim>oh, hello
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16:38<gpm>dondelelcaro: you mentioned something about things flapping? any way to continue down that path?
16:39<retrospectacus>!tell ekim -about anyone
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16:40<biiter>hello. should i use cpufreqd or cpudyn?
16:41<ekim>-about anyone
16:41<ekim>retrospectacus: dont know what u mean?
16:41<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
16:42<retrospectacus>ekim: dpkg was supposed to tell you that in private when I said that before
16:42<ekim>got it.
16:43<gpm>now everyone knows!
16:43<ekim>well, I cant seem to get Lappy to load in vm as it doesnt seem to find the h/d space allocated and if I am lucky enough for it to find it, it just hangs.
16:43<ekim>so I wanted to know if anyone uses it this way to help install.
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16:44<gpm>oh yeah, you want to just say what the problem is and if anyone knows they'll help
16:44<gpm>otherwise you'll get told you're asking the wrong questions
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16:44<gpm>people get really anal about that
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16:45<ekim>gpm: yeah I kinda see that.
16:45<gpm>because they're trying to keep unnecessary chatter out of the barrage of conversation going on in this channel
16:46<retrospectacus>ekim: yes we need specifics. Your question is too vague to answer
16:46<gpm>well he's been a little more specific now
16:46<gpm>or she!
16:47<retrospectacus>what virtualization software? Host OS? why "Lappy"? How does it "not seem to find the h/d space", exactly? (errors? pastebin) It hangs saying what?
16:48<retrospectacus>for example
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16:48<ekim>I got that...just trying to word it right so I can get the issue across.
16:49<retrospectacus>ekim: you need to make it really easy for us to know what you are doing and how it is not working. We're just volunteers hanging around - if we don't really catch on to your problem we'll just ignore it
16:49<ekim>I am using win 7 ultimate as host
16:49<ekim>virtualbox with Debian created
16:50<ekim>mounted iso for install in settings of debian vm
16:50<kop>That's why my check hasn't arrived!!
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16:50<retrospectacus>it's in the mail
16:51<ekim>it starts going thru the install and just freezes. sometimes it actually gets started and sometimes it stops / hangs right at the start.
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16:54<ekim>I am trying to start a whole new back if it doesnt work.
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17:06<biiter>how come i get lower cpu temperature with cpudyn .. i thought cpufreqd should manage things better
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17:07<dli>biiter, ondemand?
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17:08<retrospectacus>biiter, doesn't cpudyn use cpufreqd under the hood? If so it should increase performance (decrease heat) (you would think)
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17:09<ekim>bye all..thanks anyway! If it stops again, I will just not use it. I have three other distros installed as vm's.
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17:09<biiter>dli: yes.. ondemand
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17:09<biiter>retrospectacus: they are separate daemons
17:10<dli>biiter, I mean the temperature depends more on usage then on daemons
17:10<biiter>dli: i measure it in idle state with spun down disk
17:11<retrospectacus>biiter, I see, then, why did you think cpufreqd would work better?
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17:12<biiter>retrospectacus: debian,gentoo uses it by default and cpudyn has last release from 2005
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17:16<ompaul>petemc: check msg
17:17<retrospectacus>biiter, interesting. No idea why.
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17:32<petemc>ompaul: see that now, cheers - was restarting cable modem
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17:34<ompaul>petemc: I think you could expose those traceroutes to your dsl supplier and say their upstream is being mad
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17:34<ompaul>woops we should move to pm
17:35<pyjust>Народ помогите восстановить GRUB
17:35<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
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17:39<gass>hello there
17:40<Maulkin>er, hi
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17:40<gass>i have a tape drives usb and a problem i have is that if the drive is connected too long on the pc, even exchanging tapes, the drive disappears from "lsusb" and /dev/st0
17:40<dpkg>uk is, like, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and comprises the countries of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. (Under ISO 3166-1, it should have been .gb not .uk, but that never quite caught on.)
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17:40<gass>it is a dat drive from hp
17:41<gass>does anyone ever bumped into this?
17:41<dpkg>Ukraine - ua ukr 804 User Agent. It refers to web clients, and what they send to the web server as "who they are". It can be easily faked.
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17:49<exploit>there anyone here running fluxbox on a laptop with a power manager ?
17:50<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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17:51<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
17:52<exploit>If you are running a laptop on debian with fluxbox , what power manager do you run ... :)
17:52<ompaul>sney`: ahh now :P
17:52<sney`>does fluxbox have a widget tray? I can't even picture what it looks like
17:52<zumbi_>!beer Maulkin
17:52*dpkg pours a litre of Jever for Maulkin
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17:53<exploit>it has a tray but , you need to add the power manager to the startup ./fluxbox/startup file , and i dont know the correct syntax
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17:54<exploit>@ sney' , what de do you run ?
17:54<retrospectacus>xfce4-power-manager, or gnome-power-manager, or xscreensaver, I think
17:56<exploit>cheers , do you know the syntax to get it to come up , from bootup or reboot of x11 /
17:56<sney`>I run xfce at home with its built in power manager, and here I have windowmaker and don't use a power manager at all
17:57<exploit>Do you have a laptop @ sney' ?
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17:59<sney`>exploit: yeah
18:00<exploit>what distro do you run atm
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18:01<sney`>debian on everything
18:01<sney`>squeeze in almost all cases, though this machine here still has Lenny
18:01<sret>i just love this irc client
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18:05<exploit>haha nice
18:05<exploit>I usually run kbunutu , but work needs bt4r2 and i dont like gnome or kde so i always install fluxbox :)
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18:07<babilen>exploit: You probably want to ask in #fluxbox for fluxbox advice, but IMHO you just have to start "gnome-power-manager" and everyhting is fine. no fancy options or so. What is this "bt4r2" you speak about?
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18:08<babilen>exploit: Make that "gnome-power-manager &" in ~/.fluxbox/startup
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18:09<exploit>baacktrack 4 r2 , :). I know about the power manager just asking, now trying to configure it to startup, its different to kde or gnome :)
18:09<exploit>brb logging out
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18:10<babilen>hehe, guess he realised that I'll send him to a bt4 channel :)
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18:24<exploit>backs :)
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18:25<exploit>figured it out , if anyone wants to know for in future , in the .flubox/startup file add the lines excluding "" gnome-power-manager &" to the end and it will startup :)
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18:26<exploit>You guys run conky?
18:26<retrospectacus>many do
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18:26<exploit>awesome !
18:26<exploit>kindred haha
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18:27<exploit>seems to me that not many people run linux , and when i say im a certified linux professional there like wtf
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18:30<exploit>peace out , catchup later :)
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18:34<emper0r>hi i try to make debmirroring and have error with this debmirror --cleanup -v --allow-dist-rename --root=debian --arch=amd64 --method=http --dist=stable --section=contrib --nosource --ignore-missing-release --ignore-release-gpg --diff=none /home/emperor/mirror_temp
18:35<emper0r>any idea?
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18:56<maelcum|konv>hi guys. i'm using aptosid, which is almost debian sid. the aptoside guys can't help me :( - today the intel i915 graphics driver broke on my 855GM hardware: no picture on the X terminal.
18:56<maelcum|konv>have you heard of it?
18:56<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
18:56<ansgar>!based on debian
18:56<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
18:56<retrospectacus>!broken in sid
18:56<dpkg>Well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. See <sid>, <break>.
18:56<dpkg>aptosid (formerly sidux) is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid. It is not supported in #debian. #aptosid on
18:56<maelcum|konv>but i suppose you don't want it to stay broken...
18:57<retrospectacus>even debian sid is not supported here
18:58<maelcum|konv>how do you stabilize packages if you don't take feedback?
18:58<retrospectacus>we don't. this is just a support channel
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18:59<sret>lol i like that dpkg message
18:59<sret>"even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existant"
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19:00<sret>so sid is basically something that uses debian stuff ?
19:01<retrospectacus>you can read above or /msg dpkg sid
19:01<sret>sowho uses sid
19:01<sret>when you got unstable
19:02<retrospectacus>debian-developers, and people who insist on having the latest version of everything
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19:04<sret>so btw squeeze is coming out in a few days, when i upgrade it'll keep everything as it is or things are gonna get broken here and there?
19:05<sret>i know lenny still has a yr to go before support stops but still
19:07<retrospectacus>upgrade from lenny?
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19:07<retrospectacus>something might break I suppose... just like any upgrade
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20:57<Ikbaltte>hallo all
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21:00<Ikbaltte>say hallo pls
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21:54<chiku>since which kernel does this patch added ?
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21:55<chiku>[PATCH 0/6] detect online disk resize
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21:59<gsimmons>chiku: That patch set went in at Linux 2.6.28.
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22:05<chiku>lenny is still at 2.6.26 right ?
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22:08<blarson>chiku: I think there is a newer kernel on
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22:09<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <volatile>.
22:09<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-trunk-686 (2.6.37-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
22:20<jthill>hey, this is from an pure html5 web game, a greatly-degenerated but still pdg distant heir:
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22:21<Phildawg>Does anybody know about ubuntu?
22:21<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
22:22<Phildawg>I kinda need help with something, getting my IPod touch 4G 8GB 4.2.1 to sync in GTKPOd Ipod manager.
22:22<Phildawg>I got LibIMobile updated and crap but I can't sync.
22:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
22:23<cthuluh>Phildawg: it has already been said, you should ask on the #ubuntu channel, at
22:23<Phildawg>I tried but they completely ignored me.
22:23<cthuluh>Phildawg: what can we do?
22:23<Phildawg>I Figured Ubuntu was based on Debian... Soo..
22:23<Phildawg>I came here.
22:23<amphi>!based on debian
22:23<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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22:46<Randy_>what is diffent between 2.6 kernel and 2.6.32-5 in suqeeenze
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22:47<Randy_>what is different between 2.6 kernel and 2.6.32-5 in suqeeenze
22:48<amphi>Randy_: eh
22:48<Randy_>amphi, I said the kernel version
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22:49<Randy_>linux-image-2.6-amd and linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64
22:49<abrotman>one is a metapackage
22:49<Randy_>amphi, which is better
22:50<Randy_>abrotman, neta is what?
22:50<Randy_>abrotman, meta is what?
22:50<abrotman>the linux-image-2.6-amd64 has a dependency on linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64
22:50<amphi>Randy_: the first depends on the most recent kernel
22:50<dpkg>i guess metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example).
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22:51<amphi>Randy_: if you have that installed, you will always get the latest kernel for your debian install
22:51<Randy_>abrotman, but I'm install debian,it tell me to choose one,choose linux-image-26.32-5-amd664 is ok
22:52<iwamatsu>please see
22:52<abrotman>Randy_: install "linux-image-2.6-amd64"
22:52<Randy_>I'm installing squeese rc2
22:52<abrotman>okay .. and?
22:53<Randy_>abrotman, choose linux-imagine-2.6-amd64 is ok?the linux-image-26.32-5-amd64 will auto install?
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22:55<Randy_>then choose intrd
22:56<Randy_>which one?iiif choose the little one,,that can support u ddddisk?
22:56<Randy_>which one?iiif choose the little one,,that can support u disk?
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22:56<Randy_>abrotman, which intrd is better?
22:57<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.8) can be found at . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
22:57<kop>!squeeze install
22:57<abrotman>i hav eno idea what your computer is .. it probably has a recommended setting
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22:59<Randy_>abrotman, it's amd64 aamd 7750,nvidia quadro fx 380,amd sb 750,6G RAM,WD SATA 3Gb/s HD
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23:01<katsrc>hey all, i was wondering where can i grab debs of iceweasel4?
23:02<sney> was supposed to get them eventually
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23:02<sney>err not that one
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23:06<Randy_>I have use debian-squeeze-di-rc2-amd64-CD-1.iso ,but use it to install,it tell me to input another cd,after install basic OS
23:07<Randy_>how to solve it
23:08<dli>Randy_, enable network?
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23:09<Randy_>dli, no
23:10<sney>remove or comment out the CD line in /etc/apt/sources.list
23:10<dli>Randy_, don't select anything in tasksel
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23:11<planet8>since ondemand has been removed from debian what other options are there to speed down the cpu frequence?
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23:12<dli>planet8, how come? ondemand is a kernel feature
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23:13<sney>cpufreqd is not usually installed by default
23:13<Randy_>dli, but I how to return
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23:13<sney>'aptitude search cpufreq' will give you the basic rundown, planet8
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23:13<planet8>because I used to be able to do "modprobe cpufreq_ondemand", but now I get this error: "FATAL: Module cpufreq_ondemand not found"
23:15<amphi>planet8: what does 'cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors' say?
23:15<planet8>sney, thanks I'll look into cpufreqd
23:15<gsimmons>planet8: WRT Debian kernel images, CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_ONDEMAND is now built into the kernel.
23:15<planet8>amphi, it says "powersave conservative userspace ondemand performance"
23:15<amphi>looks like it's built in
23:15<sney>yeah, I was going to guess what gsimmons said
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23:16<planet8>so why isn't it working? my cpu is running full at 3 ghz all the time
23:16<amphi>planet8: you need to set it, perhaps
23:16<planet8>amphi, how?
23:16<Randy_>dli, I can't return
23:17<sney>or possibly need the speedstep/powernow module for your cpu, depending on what it is. my amd64 machine won't scale unless powernow_k8 is loaded
23:17<amphi>planet8: echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
23:17<amphi>if I recall correctly
23:17<planet8>amphi, ofcourse!!
23:17<planet8>I got stuck on the problem with the module
23:17<planet8>thanks guys!
23:18<amphi>planet8: you can automate that with /etc/sysfs.conf - sysfstools is the package name if I recall correctly
23:18<gsimmons>planet8: Or just install the cpufrequtils package, which does this for you.
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23:18<planet8>I already has that package
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23:29<planet8>For some reason I only have two frequency steps: "available frequency steps: 3.00 GHz, 2.80 GHz"
23:30<planet8>As I remember I used to be able to go down to 500 or something
23:31<sney>500 is unlikely, but my 3.0 drops to 1.6 I think
23:31<planet8>I can't remember exactly but it was quite low
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23:32<planet8>"cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies" gives only 3000000 2800000
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23:33<bighornram>I upgraded lenny to squeeze but after booting now my video is not readable. When I reboot and scroll down to the second option it boots ok. what do i do?
23:34<bighornram>do I undo grub 2?
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23:41<sney>bighornram: what's the second option?
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23:46<bighornram>sney: actually I'm at a remote right now but the screen defaulted to grub 2 and if I crolled down it had 2 instances of my kernel, if i pick the second instance it boots like it used to.
23:46<sney>is the second instance 'single-user mode'
23:47<bighornram>sney: no
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23:47<bighornram>sney: both instances have bot
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23:48<sney>and they're both the same kernel? what I'd say to do is next time you're at that grub screen, compare the two lines by pressing 'e' to see what they actually do. you might need to write it down. then follow up from that point, come back here with the info if you need to
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