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01:24<jaquer>Hello all. A dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze is breaking a test install. I'm trying to narrow down the specific package that is causing the system to stop working. Does anybody know of a way to make aptitude/apt/dpkg stop or pause after installing each package maybe?
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01:27<jm_>jaquer: why would you need that?
01:28<jm_>jaquer: dpkg has --abort-after switch if that helps
01:28<dondelelcaro>jaquer: breaks the test install in what way?
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01:28<jaquer>Well, I just don't know how else to approach the problem. I have the filesystem image of the working state and after the dist-upgrade I can no longer put the host machine in standby. I'm trying to figure out exactly which package upgrade is breaking the system.
01:30<dondelelcaro>jaquer: what are you using to put the machine in standby? do you mean hibernate? or suspend?
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01:32<jaquer>dondelelcaro: The setup is... complicated. I am using coLinux inside of Windows XP. When I do a Lenny install I am able to set the laptop to Standby and bring it back up running without affecting the running coLinux instance. If I have a Squeeze install (either fresh or a Lenny dist-upgrade) then the Debian instance inisde of coLinux crashes.
01:32<jaquer>I'm pretty sure it's not a coLinux bug since it only happens after I've switched from lenny to squeeze.
01:33<dondelelcaro>jaquer: honestly, it's not surprising that things fail in interesting ways when a machine suddenly stops running
01:33<dondelelcaro>jaquer: I'd check to see if the kernel has had issues with coLinux, or if using an older/newer kernel resolves the problem
01:35<jaquer>The kernel doesn't change between the lenny or squeeze installs. The kernel is provided by coLinux, so I'm pretty certain it's a package that's breaking things.
01:36<dondelelcaro>jaquer: if the machine hangs, the problem is the kernel. The only exception is if you're running X, and it has direct access to the video hardware, which isn't the case here
01:36<jaquer>Hence my quest to find a way to upgrade one package at a time to see if I could narrow down exactly where things go wrong. I just can't think of another way to narrow it down.
01:36<tash>hda ->sda maybe?
01:37<jaquer>Well, to be very specific, the Debian instance boots perfectly both times, but when I suspend the squeeze install, init crashes, bringing the system down.
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01:37<jm_>you can't dist upgrade one package at a time
01:38<dondelelcaro>jaquer: if init is blowing up, that's pretty fundamental. Are you using the most updated colinux package?
01:38<jaquer>To rule out an init bug, I switched to upstart, but the Debian instance still crashes when coming out of suspend. I'm thinking is some other essential lib/program that makes it stop working.
01:39<jaquer>dondelelcaro: I am using the most current release, yes, 0.7.8.
01:39<dondelelcaro>jaquer: what is the precise error that you're getting?
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01:40<jaquer>INIT: PANIC: segmentation violation at 0xb776c417! sleeping for 30 seconds.
01:40<jaquer>I suppose I could try a development snapshot from coLinux, but the fact that it works fine with lenny is what makes me think it's something else altogether.
01:41<dondelelcaro>jaquer: it's probably colinux changing things and making assumptions in the way that memory management is dealt with
01:42<dondelelcaro>jaquer: since none of that happens when you're actually using a real linux system using any of the tools which are routinely tested, like xen or kvm, it's almost certainly a colinux problem
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01:43<jaquer>alright, I guess I'll keep poking at it, see if I can figure out where the problem lies
01:43<dondelelcaro>jaquer: yeah; that's sort of an odd setup, so I can't really give you much more help. Best of luck with it.
01:44<jaquer>I've already posted to the colinux mailing list. Hopefully someone there can guide me on how to debug the issue.
01:44<jaquer>dondelelcaro: Cool. Thanks man.
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01:49<scottuss>I patched Cairo for smoother fonts, still not working. Any ideas? cheers all
01:50<AdaptiveS>anyone making or made use of mgetty and AutoPPP?
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02:08<AdaptiveS>hi anyone awake ?
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02:11<smv>AdaptiveS, I might be...
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03:15<javi7>ere el mas jili
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03:26<vyler>Hello fellow Debianites :)
03:26<vyler>I have a problem, I'm trying to IRC from a friends box and I believe I don't have the correct encoding. The encoding is en_US.UTF-8, yet when I go into my terminal and look at the "set character encoding" & "Unicode (UTF8).
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03:27<vyler>is that coherent
03:27<vyler>How do you download other encodings?
03:28<vyler>I think I may have installed en_UK or en_CA.
03:28<joar>dpkg-reconfigure locales ?
03:30<joar>en_UK is probably iso8859-1
03:30<joar>list your installed locales with 'locale -a'
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03:30<vyler>yup, it's Canadian :P
03:32<joar>you can add support for more locales with dpkg-reconfigure locales :9
03:32<vyler>I've never used dpkg-reconfigure locales :9 how do I go about that?
03:33<joar>and you could set your locales in .bashrc for instance
03:33<joar>e.g.: export LANG="en_GB.utf8"
03:33<joar>run locale to list your current locale environment
03:34<joar>as root, type dpkg-reconfigure locales :)
03:34<joar>it's menubased and pretty intuitive, when you've chosen the locales you want to support, the next page asks you which to set as default locale :)
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03:39<jm_>this command will show current encoding: locale charmap
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03:45<vyler>thanks joar.
03:46<joar>vyler : you're welcome :)
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04:12<ayaka>can I find yesterday chat log?
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04:14<devil>ayaka: most clients log by default
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04:14<ayaka>why gparted resize a particular take a lot time
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04:14<ayaka>devil, clients lost
04:15<devil>ayaka: resizing takes time.
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04:17<ayaka>devil, but in windows will take 10 mintures,but it has taken 2 hours so far
04:18<devil>ayaka: depends on size. i hope you ran defrag in win before using gparted
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04:19<ayaka>devil, defrag?
04:19<ayaka>devil, only I resize 352G to 416G
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04:20<ayaka>devil, I don't konw defragmentation
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04:21<devil>ayaka: windows fragments data. it nees defrag from time to time to bring data back to best possible order
04:21<ayaka>devil, I'm konw now,but the one is now format and ext4
04:21<devil>or are you resizing pure linux filesystem?
04:22<devil>oh, ok.
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04:22<ayaka>devil, byt this yesterday after a hour who talk to me,I want to kill them
04:22<ayaka>devil, so I waht the log in server
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04:23<dli>ayaka, 60GB*2/(50 MB/s)=40 minutes, my wild estimate
04:23<devil>ayaka: the log is on your harddisk
04:24<ayaka>devil, in freenode,log will also save in server
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04:25<devil>no idea
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04:25<ayaka>dli, but my disk speed is heavy than it,and it has take 2 hours
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04:52<guynux>bonjour, je suis 100% nouveau en irc...
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04:52<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
04:54<guynux>j'ai des soucis avec config lenny pour tnt hertzienne...
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04:55<cahoot>guynux: on parle anglais ici
04:55<guynux>pour mon sujet suis-je au bon endroit ? (tnt)
04:55<guynux>on parle anglais??? gloups...
04:55<cahoot>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur
04:56<guynux>oui, ok et j e fais comment ?
04:56<guynux>je reviens dans la liste des reseaux?
04:56<cahoot> /j ##debian-fr
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04:57<cahoot>err /j #debian-fr
04:58<guynux>je tape /j #debian-fr d'ici ???
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05:00<b_braun>was geht?
05:01<b_braun>alles fit?
05:01<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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05:02<babilen>b_braun: Oder sprich Englisch in diesem Kanal -- Or speak English in here
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05:03<babilen>b_braun: And yes, #debian has been doing some sports lately, so we are quite fit :)
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05:16<babilen>,info bchunk
05:16<judd>Package bchunk (otherosfs, optional) in lenny/i386: CD image format conversion from bin/cue to iso/cdr. Version: 1.2.0-8; Size: 13.4k; Installed: 68k; Homepage:
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05:45<ergis>any of you not anonymous yet?! join
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05:46<tuxcrafter>hi all
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05:46<tuxcrafter>i am searching for a trusted public keys for dnssec
05:46<tuxcrafter>for org. nl. nu. etcetra
05:46<tuxcrafter>is it distributed somewhere secure
05:46<tuxcrafter>like in a debian package...
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05:51<Bored26m>can anyone help me find my missing wireless connection in ubuntu?
05:52<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
05:52<ayaka>how to install firefox in debian amd64
05:52<ayaka>I said in squeeze
05:53<devil>ayaka: firefox is called iceweasel in debian
05:53<ayaka>devil, I know thank you,only the name is different
05:53<fl0w>hi, does anybody know how to ignore case in bash? i got .jpg, .JPG files that i want to manipulate, my script only performs .jpg files
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05:54<zem_>fl0w: user regex? or depending on command use "ignore case" switch
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05:56<zumbi_>fl0w: $ echo JPG | tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]'
05:56<ayaka>devil, I said only the name is diiferent isn't it?
05:57<zumbi_>$ echo JPG | tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]'
05:57<devil>ayaka: mostly
05:57<ayaka>devil, what is different?
05:57<ayaka>devil, can I use add-one
05:58<fl0w>mmh, i'm not very good in bash scripting, i use a for condition : for i in *.jpg
05:58<devil>ayaka: sure you can
05:58<fl0w>dunno how to use zumbi_'s command in my script :D
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05:59<zumbi_>fl0w: for i in *.jpg does not apply to files with blank spaces
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06:00<fl0w>can i replace *jpg with a list? for example *.jpg, *.JPG, *.Jpg, *.jpeg, *.JPEG?
06:00<ayaka>devil, I add bash-completion in /etc/bash.bashrc,the root can use,but me use tab is a tab
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06:00<fl0w>i think it would be better because i forgot ".jpeg" extension
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06:01<zumbi_>fl0w: use a case statement
06:02<fl0w>yeah right, thanks, i'll modify my script ;)
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06:04<dli>fl0w, *.[Jj][Pp][Ee]?[Gg]
06:05<zumbi_>fl0w: export foo=file.BAR ; echo ${foo%.*}.jpg
06:06<zumbi_>or even export foo=file.[Jj][Pp][Ee]?[Gg] ; echo ${foo%.*}.jpg
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06:08<aClam>Hi, I'm getting a 404 for the xserver-common and xvfb for squeeze:
06:08<aClam>(using aptitude)
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06:09<petemc>tried running aptitude update ?
06:09<aClam>Yeah, I only just now though of that... Sorry
06:09<fl0w>thanks dli and zumbi_!!! :)
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06:10<ayaka>devil, know what is the problem
06:10<classical> how can i fix this ?
06:11<babilen>!tell classical about bat
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06:12<ayaka>devil, and I can't use up to see the before cmd
06:13<devil>ayaka: you need to relogin to make it work
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06:13<fl0w>*.[Jj][Pp][Ee]?[Gg] doesn't work
06:13<ayaka>devil, relogin and rebooted
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06:13<fl0w>if I type ls *.[Jj][Pp][Ee]?[Gg] > no such file or directory
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06:14<devil>ayaka: package bash-completion is installed?
06:14<rpetre>? is different in bash than in regexp
06:14<ayaka>devil, sure
06:14<fl0w>it was ls *.[jJ][Pp][Gg] *.[Jj][Pp][Ee][Gg]
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06:15<aClam>petemc, yeah that was it, thanks. Slipped my mind.
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06:17<troulouliou>Hi since a recent update ; wicd totally refuse to scan / connect to any network (iwlwifi 4965) . The only way is to manually launch wpa_suplicant
06:17<troulouliou>Does anybody have that problem too ?
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06:40<ayaka>I installed bash-completion and add it into /etc/bash.bashrc and ~/.bashrc,but only the root can use it,I even can't use up to see the last cmd,it show [^A
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06:44<jm_>ayaka: is your shell a login shell?
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06:47<ayaka>jm,no the one in the menu
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06:48<fl0w>is it possible to put multiple conditions in a for loop?
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06:49<jm_>ayaka: that doesn't mean it's not a login shell
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06:49<jm_>fl0w: for loop where?
06:49<fl0w>jm: for do done ;)
06:49<jm_>fl0w: which language?
06:50<ayaka>jm,what is the login shell,I have logined
06:50<petemc>for i do ; for j do ; done ; done
06:51<fl0w>petemc, it's not very clean
06:52<petemc>its the answer to the question you asked
06:52*themill points to #bash on
06:52<jm_>fl0w: yes
06:52<fl0w>yeah but it will double the number of lines
06:53<jm_>ayaka: ok try the tip from /msg dpkg bashrc
06:55<ayaka>jm,in ~.,profile if [ -f "$HOME/.bashrc" ]; then
06:55<ayaka> . "$HOME/.bashrc"
06:55<troulouliou>fl0w: yes but use while
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06:57<fl0w>found, i use: for i in find . -type f -name "*.[jJ][Pp][Gg]" -o -name "*.[jJ][Pp][Ee][Gg]"
06:57<fl0w>i used find, -o adds an "-name" argument
06:58<jm_>ayaka: ok so that's not the issue
06:58<jm_>fl0w: you are using it incorrectly
06:59<ayaka>jm_,what is issue means?I only have ~/.profile not .bash_profile
06:59<fl0w>jm, why?
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07:01<jm_>fl0w: for a in $(find ...); do ... done
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07:01<jm_>ayaka: you can try to source it manually after the shell is started and test if it works
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07:02<jm_>fl0w: keep in mind you need to be careful in case files have spaces etc.
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07:02<jm_>fl0w: I recmmend you read ABS -- /msg dpkg abs
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07:03<ayaka>jm_, sh: source: not found
07:03<jm_>ayaka: what does "echo $0" say?
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07:05<ayaka>jm_, sh
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07:05<fl0w>jm finally i replaced for with a while loop
07:06<vjacob>hello all! What do I do if dpkg --configure -a is fubar?
07:06<fl0w>find . -type f -name "*.[jJ][Pp][Gg]" -o -name "*.[jJ][Pp][Ee][Gg]" | while read i
07:06<ayaka>jm_, but it is gnome-terminal
07:06<fl0w>and then do and done
07:06<jm_>ayaka: ok which shell does your passwd entry have? getent passwd ayaka
07:06<themill>ayaka: is your shell /bin/sh or /bin/bash?
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07:07<ayaka>jm_, I'm using gnoe
07:07<ayaka>jm_, I'm using gnome
07:07<mothermcfucker>a few things seem to be broken and frozen as the rrelease is being made ready
07:07<jm_>ayaka: check your user's shell
07:07<ayaka>jm_, ok in /etc/shadow ?
07:07<jm_>ayaka: no, type "getent passwd username"
07:07<Tiff>vjacob: may want to paste output
07:08<vjacob>"find: arithmetic overflow while converting 0 days to a number of seconds"
07:08<vjacob>"dpkg: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1"
07:08<jm_>ayaka: replace username with the real username
07:09<ayaka>jm_, the password is the root on,but a ' in me root and user passsword
07:09<jm_>ayaka: we are not talking about passwords, for example, if your username is "ayaka", you type "getent passwd ayaka<enter>"
07:10<ayaka>jm_, shall be a root to type this?
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07:10<vjacob>Tiff, any ideas?
07:10<jm_>ayaka: not needed
07:11<ayaka>jm_, randy:x:1000:1001::/home/randy:/bin/sh
07:11<babilen>and sh -> dash ?
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07:11<jm_>ayaka: ok try changing your shell to /bin/bash
07:11<babilen>ayaka: "chsh"
07:11<ayaka>jm_, how to ?
07:11<themill>fl0w: piping the output of find into a loop like that isn't such a great idea. You wanted either find's "-exec" option or "xargs" instead. /msg dpkg using find
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07:11*jm_ likes it when people read his mind (now someone shall mention chsh)
07:12<babilen>hehe :)
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07:13<ayaka>babilen, jm_ getent passwd show me is bash,but still
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07:13<babilen>ayaka: And you opened a new shell?
07:14<ayaka>babilen, yes,but it still a sh
07:14<jm_>ayaka: you need to logout I guess
07:14<ayaka>babilen, shall I logout?
07:14<ayaka>jm_, babilen ok,bybe
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07:17<babilen>ayaka: hmm?
07:17<ayaka>babilen, jm_ Thank you very much
07:18<jm_>ayaka: no worries
07:18<babilen>!congratulate ayaka
07:18<dpkg>Good show ayaka, you did it!
07:18<ayaka>but I hate debian,because of I lost my Japanese comic and film~~~~~~~~~
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07:18<babilen>ayaka: May you have a nice day, hug a stranger/strangeress and treat yourself to something nice. ;)
07:19<babilen>ayaka: What has Debian done to your Anime/ManHua?
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07:20<ayaka>babilen, yesterday I using ubuntu,but I talk here,somone tell me install in the same /home parted and username is ok
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07:20<ayaka>babilen, so I did,because of I lost my /home so I don't his nickname
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07:20<babilen>well, you probably formatted your /home partition.
07:20<ayaka>babilen, you know manhua?It's a chinese word
07:21<babilen>ayaka: Yes, I learned Chinese.
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07:22<ayaka>babilen, your English(I forget British,spell is that?),you can speak chinese?
07:22<babilen>ayaka: You might want to consider creating backups of your data to an external drive ... /me recommends backuppc or rsnapshot
07:22<jm_>you should be more careful when using commands given by people
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07:24<ayaka>babilen, but I don't another HD,我没有硬盘
07:24<babilen>ayaka: Yes, I studied it for some years and have been to Taiwan for quite some time. I can't type it (right now, no scim installed) and this is getting rather off-topic. Join in #debian-offtopic if you want to continue :)
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07:24<ayaka>babilen, use fcitx or ibus
07:25<ayaka>babilen, scim is lost
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07:26<babilen>ayaka: Ah, I never heard of ibus and haven't tried fcitx. I am basically looking for an input method that works with pinyin+fantizi -- My ZhuYin (bopomofo) is not *that* good :)
07:26<babilen>ayaka: Which one would you recommend?
07:27<ayaka>babilen, fcitx is basic XIM,you can see wikipedia
07:27<babilen>sure :)
07:27<ayaka>babilen, I used fcitx a year untill a weak age,becauseI want type Jpanese,ibus is slowly
07:28<ayaka>babilen, can I ask another question?
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07:28<babilen>sure :)
07:28<babilen>ayaka: you switched from fcitx to ibus recently?
07:29<ayaka>babilen, I wnat remove gnome brown,but it will remove gnome
07:29<ayaka>babilen, yes
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07:30<babilen>gnome brown?
07:30<ayaka>babilen, ibus use sqlite to save phrase so it slowy,even I have a good computer
07:30<ayaka>babilen, epiphany
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07:32<babilen>ayaka: Ah, ok. The problem is that if you have the "gnome" meta-package installed. This packet depends on a bunch of other packages and it is removed (with all the other dependencies) when you remove one of the dependencies like, for example, epiphay
07:32<babilen>The best way to deal with this is to install a smaller meta-package and "aptitude unmarkauto" other strategically choosen packages that you want to keep
07:32<babilen>btw : s/packet/package
07:32<ayaka>babilen, I konw this,I used ubuntu for a long time,but I don't need it
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07:32<babilen>ayaka: Do you use lenny or squeeze?
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07:33<ayaka>babilen, squeeze,I follow the one yesterday I told to
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07:34<babilen>ayaka: ok, the smallest gnome meta-package these days is "gnome-session" -- You might want to start with that (aptitude install gnome-session) -- and check what is going to be removed. Other meta-packages comprise "gnome-core" and "gnome-desktop-environment"
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07:35<babilen>ayaka: You could also just "aptitude unmarkauto PKG1 PKG2 ..." for every package you want to keep ...
07:36<ayaka>babilen, aptitude unmarkauto gnome?
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07:39<silvering>any ideas why audacious force mu cpu to 100% usage when playing flac files?
07:39<themill>aptitude unmarkauto '?reverse-depends(^gnome$)'
07:39<babilen>ayaka: No -- You want to: 1. Install a suitable metapackage. One of (ordered by size): gnome-session, gnome-core, gnome-desktop-environment 2. Check which packages will be removed when you remove the "gnome" package (aptitude remove gnome) 3. If you are happy → remove "gnome" and the other packages, If not → 4. Install a "larger" meta-package (e.g. gnome-core) and repeat or use "aptitude unmarkauto PKG1 PKG2" for packages you want to keep.
07:41<ayaka>babilen, the first step don't install anythig
07:41<ayaka>babilen, aptitube install them
07:41<babilen>ayaka: If you do what themill suggested you will mark *all* packages that were installed as a dependency of the "gnome" metapackage as manually installed. They will therefore not be removed anymore once you remove one of the other dependencies. I would take the chance and remove some cruft from your system and just keep the packages *you* really want, and not every single package that came with the "gnome" meta-package
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07:42<babilen>ayaka: yes, all the dependencies of the metapackage are installed already -- but you now have *another* meta-package that depends on them, so they will not be removed when you remove "gnome"
07:42<themill>babilen: yeah, I'd follow that unmarkauto with an attempt to get rid of something that I didn't want and then see what else breaks, working down to the smaller metapackages. Top-down vs bottom-up :) tbh though, I normally just buy a bigger disk and don't care.
07:43<ayaka>babilen, if I remove gnome ,I should type more 60 packages
07:43<babilen>themill: hehe :)
07:44<ayaka>themill, I have 1t,but I don't like it
07:45<babilen>ayaka: you can install a larger meta-package (eg. "aptitude install gnome-core") or just follow themill's approach --- My approach builds a system from little pieces (install *only* what you need) themill's approach "aptitude unmarkauto '?reverse-depends(^gnome$)'" keeps everyhting, but lets you remove single packages that you *don't* want
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07:46<babilen>ayaka: Or you could just not care, because epiphany (although installed) does not hurt anybody
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07:47<ayaka>babilen, 中国有句话叫追求完美
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07:49<babilen>ayaka: yeah, aim for perfection ;)
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07:52<ayaka>babilen, you're having lunch?
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07:55<ayaka>I use UTC in ubuntu,but when I installed debian,I choose UTC,but now may not be UTC,I want to get the time from Internat
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07:56<lixhell>which is the channel that discusses the package going out of testing?
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07:57<cahoot>ayaka: sound like you want ntp
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07:57<cahoot>ayaka: ...and UTC
07:57<ayaka>cahoot, ok I had installed,but how to use UTC
07:57<AgentC>hm, i created a sourcefile which uses libosip2-4 headers, but on linking to executable it have undefined references from these lib-functions. how I add the linking of that lib to gcc commandline ?
07:57<abrotman>lixhell: going out of?
07:58<ayaka>cahoot, don't care fot NTP
07:58<babilen>ayaka: ibus is great! thanks :)
07:58<abrotman>ayaka: you want ntp or chrony
07:58<ayaka>babilen, 专心吃饭
07:58<lixhell>in stable and in sid have a package, but dont have the same pack in testing
07:59<lixhell>i like ask, why
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07:59<ayaka>abrotman, cahoot I had install ntpdate,but can't use it
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08:00<abrotman>you shouldn't use ntpdate .. use ntp or chrony
08:00<abrotman>lixhell: which package?
08:00<petemc>lixhell: /msg dpkg why is foo not in testing
08:00<petemc>tho that may be obsolete now
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08:02<abrotman>there's apackage called root-system ?
08:02<ayaka>abrotman, I can choose server,but how to use UTC and apply time?
08:02<abrotman>lixhell: root-system isn't in sid either
08:02<abrotman>!set the time
08:02<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior.
08:02<silvering>i found for mp3 announce for xchat from audacious, but it says something about python-dbus?, or exactly what it says: Audacious deprecated the control socket interface many releases ago, and as of the release included with Ubuntu 8.04, it's officially gone. For now, the python dbus bindings are required for Audacious usage until a suitable interface using 'dbus-send' can be developed.
08:02<silvering> Audacious instance has no attribute 'Atheme'
08:02<silvering>how to make it work
08:02<lixhell>is a cernlab package, for sci-comp
08:03<ayaka>cahoot, thank you
08:03<abrotman>lixhell: it's not in sid either .. it may have been abandoned?
08:03<dpkg>The log of Debian package removals (including removal reasons) for this year is at . For logs of previous years, see
08:03<ansgar>lixhell: It was removed from unstable two weeks ago: <>
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08:04<abrotman>lixhell: it was removed, unmaintained, rc-bugs
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08:05<lixhell>its really! its crazy! yesterday i found
08:06<lixhell>today, only in stable
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08:07<bighornram>after upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze I get error: "kernel.maps_protect" is an unknown key failed. google tells me to comment out the maps_protect line in /etc/sysctl.conf is this correct? thanks
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08:08<lixhell>no no, new version lauched in december 2010
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08:08<ansgar>lixhell: The package in Debian was unmaintained.
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08:09<abrotman>lixhell: it was unmaintained in *Debian* ...
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08:09<lixhell>oh! ok
08:10<lixhell>i go stude for help this
08:10<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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08:11<lixhell>this package is a good set given by Cern Lab
08:11<ayaka> I can choose NTP server,but how to use UTC and apply time?
08:12<lixhell>a very important lab
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08:13<lixhell>root-system and enlightenment dr17 in debian now!!!
08:13<cahoot>ayaka: try /msg dpkg set the time
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08:13<lixhell>thx friends!
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08:14<ayaka>cahoot,thank you
08:14<abrotman>ayaka: the bot spit it out above
08:15<sret>retrospectacus: oh something might break?
08:15<sret>sorry i had to rush yday
08:16<ayaka>abrotman, I have ask,I have get the answer,thank you
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08:22<ayaka>does the nvidia-glx is the lastest driver?
08:23<jm_>not in stable release
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08:25<ayaka>jm_, it not the lastest?
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08:25<xun>how come the data inside ~/.dbus/session-bus/* (only one file) doesnt match the actual variable, $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS?
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08:27<xun>Im having trouble chaing a dbus setting when I change network
08:27<jm_>!versions nvidia-glx
08:28<tash>,versions nvidia-glx
08:28<judd>Package nvidia-glx on i386 -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; sid/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; experimental/non-free: 260.19.21-1
08:28<jm_>gah was just about to use , ")
08:28<jm_>ayaka: ^^^^^
08:29<ayaka>jm_, yes or not?the non-free one
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08:29<jm_>ayaka: they are all in non-free
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08:31<ayaka>jm_, I just want to know them are in lastest or not,if not I use the run one
08:32<tash>you mean that one nvidia offers from its website?
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08:34<jm_>ayaka: experimental has the latest; keep in mind that using nvidia's installer is not supported here
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08:38<ayaka>jm_, I said the staute one,like
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08:40<jm_>ayaka: yes, that's nto supported in #debian
08:41<ayaka>jm_, I know,I can't undertand you, has debian package?
08:41<Torsten_W>debian repos has debs for nvidia
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08:43<jm_>ayaka: yes, nvidia-glx and other nvidia related packages of the same version in experimental have that included
08:43<ayaka>Torsten_W, 260.19.36 one?or 196 one
08:43<Torsten_W>ayaka, use aptitude or apt to find it out
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08:44<ayaka>jm_, Torsten_W but it show 173.14.27-2
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08:44<babilen>experimental: 260.19.21 (not 36)
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08:45<sret>guys if i update to squeeze, are pkgs gonna get broken here and there and also i'll nede to confgure stuff all over again?
08:45<babilen>ayaka: You use lenny, don't you?
08:45<ayaka>babilen, squeese
08:45<Torsten_W>ayaka, never ever
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08:45<babilen>sret: No
08:45<jm_>ayaka: note that we keep mentioning "experimental"
08:45<Torsten_W>ayaka, squeeze has 195.36.31
08:46<babilen>sret: It might happen, but is quite unlikely if you follow the release notes
08:46<babilen>Torsten_W: Never ever?
08:46<ayaka>jm_, experimental means I should choose different repot?
08:46<jm_>ayaka: no, /msg dpkg experimental
08:47<Torsten_W>ayaka, and btw, 173.14.27 is a legacy driver
08:47<babilen>ayaka: You could: "APT::Default-Release "squeeze";
08:48<babilen>ayaka: into /etc/apt/apt.conf, then "deb experimental main contrib non-free" into /etc/apt/sources.list -- "aptitude update & aptitude -t experimental nvidia-glx"
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08:48<ayaka>babilen, why do it?the run and exper deb which is better
08:48<sret>babilen: ok
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08:49<babilen>ayaka: But are you sure that you *need* the 260 version? Is 195 not working? Do you experience problems with it?
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08:49<ayaka>babilen, I have a quadro fx 380,produce in 2009
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08:49<babilen>ayaka: err, the last command is: "aptitude update & aptitude -t experimental install nvidia-glx"
08:50<babilen>ayaka: So, you need the version from experimental. Well, you know what to do :)
08:50<ayaka>babilen, in ubuntu I always use the run file,but fedora can use 260
08:50<babilen>ayaka: If you are unsure, just ask again and paste relevant files/output to
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08:50<ayaka>babilen, and I use as my repot server,you should know 163
08:51<babilen>ayaka: It is preferred (by us, #nvidia might see that differently) to use the Debian packages
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08:52<ayaka>babilen, deb experimental main non-free contrib my server
08:54<babilen>ayaka: probably -- i have no idea if that works. You have "APT::Default-Release "squeeze"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf already, don't you? Run "aptitude update" and paste the output of that command and of "apt-cache policy" to
08:54<cpatrick08>i am having a problem getting my 4gb flash drive to mount in squeeze
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08:55<cahoot>how do you mount it?
08:55<ayaka>babilen, /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ ?
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08:57<cpatrick08>i am going to disk utility and clicking on mount volums since when i plug it in i get the error message
08:57<babilen>no, /etc/apt/apt.conf
08:57<ayaka>babilen,,I don't have such file
08:57<babilen>ayaka: Or you could create a file named, for example, "default_release" in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ -- same effect
08:57<sret>!release notes
08:57<dpkg>Release Notes for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 (Lenny) are at . See also and . Also ask me about <i-g>, <installer firmware>, <etch->lenny key>, <errata>, <squeeze release notes>.
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08:58<sret>shouldnt i be reading squeeze release notes
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08:58<babilen>ayaka: You can just create it -- it does not normally exist -- Or create a file (name has to end in .conf) in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ -- same effect
08:58<babilen>sret: /msg dpkg release notes ;)
08:59<ayaka>babilen, see the paste,no 260
08:59<cahoot>cpatrick08: what if you try mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/usbdisk?
09:00<Kee1>how many of you guys here use kmail in debian testing?
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09:00<dpkg>methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at -- See the FAQ at . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package
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09:00<babilen>ayaka: Please! Before you install *anything* make sure you have set the default release! There are two ways: Edit /etc/apt/apt.conf or /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/default_release.conf with the line 'APT::Default-Release "squeeze";' in there
09:00<sret>babilen: yeahim there i did a !release notes already but like which covers all that stuff? in bugs or release notes for lenny?
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09:01<babilen>sret: which stuff?
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09:01<ayaka>babilen, on my father tell me I have go to sleep, /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/default_release.conf with the line 'APT::Default-Release "squeeze";' done in it I write APT::Default-Release "squeeze
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09:01<babilen>ayaka: And please also paste the output of "apt-cache policy" before you've done that
09:01<sret>like to check for breakage in pkgs and things like that
09:01<cpatrick08>cahoot: still does not work
09:01<cahoot>any errormsg?
09:02<sret>or just general information on what to look out for when i do a dist-upgrade
09:02<ayaka>babilen, E: 语法错误 /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/default_release.conf:2:文件尾部有多余的无意义的数据
09:02<dli>ayaka, pastebin the default_release.conf file
09:02<ayaka>babilen, only APT::Default-Release "squeeze" in this /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/default_release.conf
09:02<cpatrick08>mount: mount point /media/usbdisk does not exist
09:03<cahoot>cpatrick08: you might want to create the mountpoint
09:03<cpatrick08>how do i do that
09:03<dli>cpatrick08, can you use something like "udisks --mount /dev/sdb1"
09:03<ayaka>dli, only APT::Default-Release "squeeze" in this /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/default_release.conf
09:03<Kee1>no one with kmail in their dailly lives?
09:03<ayaka>dli, you can read chinese?
09:03<babilen>ayaka: Yes, that looks good. 你爸爸好壞! (開玩笑了) -- paste "apt-cache policy" please
09:04<cpatrick08>get following error message Mount failed: Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with:
09:04<cpatrick08>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so
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09:04<cahoot>Kee1: I think the odds for an answer would be better if you put a real question
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09:04<ayaka>babilen, 中国已经22:04分,今天是小年
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09:04<dpkg>English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope)
09:05<cpatrick08>i have a portable hard drive that it will mount so it is wierd that that it will mount it and not my 4gb flash drive
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09:05<Kee1>it's a user questiin, nothing technical ;-) but i'll explain a bit more. im on my phone so this can take a minute hehe
09:05<Tardochi>hi, sombody use nvidia310M optimus in debian squeeze?. I install the driver but not star gdm3 correctly (there up intel with driver nvidia )
09:06<cpatrick08>since it can mount the portable hard drive it is not a problem anymore
09:06<ayaka>abrotman, no, babilen can read chinese,I know I should speak english here
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09:06<abrotman>please do
09:06<babilen>ayaka: You are missing a ';' in the end --
09:06<sret>babilen: iread the release notes for lenny?
09:07<babilen>sret: No, the ones for squeeze -- They explain how to upgrade your system. But you might just wait until it has been released.
09:07<sret>babilen: yeah looks like its not uploaded there
09:08<Kee1>when ive setup imap and smtp in kmail for my gmail then kmail is slowing down my whole pc, 100% cpu and 1 gb ram.... it seems like kmail tries to download all mail, and its allot. is there maybe a setting to just download the latest 200 emails?
09:08<sret>they just have bugs, lenny and newinlenny stuff
09:08<babilen>sret: what is uploaded where?
09:09<sret>babilen: release notes for squeeze are not uploaded i tihnk since dpkg doesnt mention of it
09:09<ayaka>dli, yes I had seen it,thank you,I know
09:09<babilen>ayaka: Ok, that looks fine -- May I double-check please? Show me the output of "apt-cache policy nvidia-glx" and if I confirm that it is OK, you can install it with "aptitude -t experimental install nvidia-glx"
09:09<babilen>sret: (or google it yourself)
09:10<babilen>ok -- that looks good ;)
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09:11<ayaka>babilen, but not 260
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09:12<babilen>ayaka: Yes, you can install that version by *explicitly* selecting experimental with "aptitude -t experimental install nvidia-glx" -- you get packages from squeeze by default. (which is what you want)
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09:12<babilen>ayaka: Please show me, what it is going to do ... that might not be the safest of actions and I want to make we are not doing anything bad. OK?
09:12<sret>babilen: ok ok thans:P
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09:15<babilen>ayaka: hmm?
09:15<Kee1>is it normal behaviour for a mail client to be very busy with imap mail retreval? and on every startup?
09:16<babilen>Kee1: I wouldn't think so (if you have offline caching at least)
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09:16<abrotman>Kee1: depends .. if you have hundreds of folders, it maybe indexing each one, etc
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09:17<ayaka>babilen, yes,because 196 may not support my nvidia,so I need 260
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09:18<ayaka>babilen, 就是说我需要260的驱动~~~~~
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09:18<Tardochi>ayaka how you nvidia?
09:18<Kee1>well it seems like kmail is retreving every header of my gmail. which results in a 100% cpu load and an extra 1 gb ram... i guess ill open up a thread on a kde forum
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09:19<babilen>ayaka: Yes, I understand that. You can install the 260 version with "aptitude -t experimental install nvidia-glx" I just want to see the output of that command *before* you install anything. Please run it and paste its output
09:19<babilen>Kee1: There is a large #kde channel over at freenode
09:19<Kee1>ok, thanks!!
09:20<babilen>Kee1: /connect + /join #kde (just in case you are unsure how to get there)
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09:20<Kee1>thanks ;-)
09:20<babilen>Kee1: I would check the options for "header caching" or "offline mode" or something like that.
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09:21<ayaka>babilen, sure it is 260?
09:21<Kee1>i hope that there is such an option, ive been looking everywhere
09:21<Kee1>thanks! take care
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09:22<babilen>ayaka: stop that -- I want to see the command as well
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09:25<babilen>ayaka: Ah, as I suspected. Please stop that command, run "aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-2.6-amd64" and then show me "aptitude -t experimental install nvidia-glx" again
09:26<babilen>ayaka: Or let me think ... It might be easier to just run "aptitude install nvidia-glx=260.19.21-1"
09:26<dli>I don't touch nvidia or amd binary only drivers, traumatized
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09:28<dli>babilen, too late, I buy intel graphic nowadays, or very cheap amd video card, with free software driver
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09:28<ayaka>dli, ok what about Intel 3D
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09:29<dli>ayaka, who cares, if I don't have to touch binary only drivers
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09:29<Dominus>hello! :) I have a problem with exim4. When I try to send mails to my users on my server, with gmail, it'll return and say "550 relay not permitted". How do I fix this? (:
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09:29<babilen>ayaka: OK, try "aptitude -t experimental install nvidia-glx" again ... and do not blindly accept a proposed solution. (good it was "leave it uninstalled" in this case)
09:30<guynux>pardon pour basculer en debian francais ? merci
09:30<babilen>ayaka: The point behind all this is, that I want you to install the absolute minimum of packages from experimental necessary to get your nvidia version running.
09:31<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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09:33<babilen>ayaka: Ok, install dkms from squeeze (aptitude install dkms) and you are ready to install the nvidia driver with "aptitude -t experimental install nvidia-glx"
09:34<babilen>or, i guess you can just accept the solution... (dkms is not experimental anyway)
09:34<ayaka>babilen, after dkms ,aptitude -t experimental install nvidia-glx and y is OK
09:34<babilen>ayaka: yes
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09:35<ayaka>babilen, dkms is useful but a problem
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09:35<ayaka>babilen, I used kvm,and forget to update,so my vbox net can't use
09:36<babilen>what? :)
09:36<dli>ayaka, kvm or vbox?
09:37<babilen>dli: vbox on a kvm guest? (just kidding)
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09:37<ayaka>babilen, ok I think I should reboot,I have add you into friend list ,may I can pretend to sleep
09:37<guynux>pardon, y am newbiew, on the i am alone? isn(t ??? or error ? (excuse my english)
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09:38<dli>guynux, I can understand english by french people, just ask
09:38<themill>guynux: #debian-fr not
09:38<ayaka>dli, babilen no,both in host,becasue kvm mod is old,so vbox can't use because of dkms auto compile kvm
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09:38<babilen>guynux: Try #debianfr on freenode -- /connect -- /join #debianfr
09:39<ayaka>babilen, but it show,it's it normal?
09:39<babilen>themill: The #debianfr channel on freenode seems to be much larger ...
09:40<guynux>pardon je tape / ici ???
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09:40<flor>guynux: /join #debian-fr
09:40<sret>btw i wanted to ask you guys, i my board supports EMt64k does this mean i can run 64bit debian on it?
09:41<babilen>ayaka: Sorry, my technical chinese is not that good. But it looks as if it is ok (/usr/lib/nvidia/ in auto mode?)
09:41<sret>but the thing is i have only about 2GB of ram though
09:42<ayaka>babilen, it said becuse of nvidia-glx not local edit,so /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/ local edit to /usr/lib/nvidia/,so not del,my english is not good,no I pretend to sleep,wait a few
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09:43<dli>sret, I suggest 64bit
09:43<sret>dli: but i have only 2GB of ram
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09:44<sret>the board supports 64bit but i dont understand wy it would do that when 64bit is best run with alteast 4gb, and the board can only support 2gb so no way to up it either
09:44<babilen>ayaka: I can only assume that it's OK -- :)
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09:44<dli>sret, indeed, 32bit only supports 896MB ram natively, beyond that, you need less efficient '4GB himem'
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09:45<sret>ok so you think i should run 64bit if i cant up the ram?
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09:45<guynux>KAFFEINE please , i have n't "OFFSET 167 kHz ... for TV (LENNY)
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09:46<dli>sret, unless you are 100% sure, do 64bit as your hardware up to
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09:46<sret>ok thx
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09:47<ayaka>babilen, ok,reboot,
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09:48<sret>dli: doesnt talk of RAM though
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09:49<sret>except in the last: cavang: I am using a 32 bit one because 64 bit doesn't bring any advantage at all (I have 2GBs ram) and 32 bit works perfectly for m
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09:50<sret>yeah without some decent RAM i should stick to 32bit i guess
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09:51<dli>sret, you missed my first comment: 32bit is inefficient beyond 896MB
09:52<sret>dli: ok
09:53<sret>i could give it a try then i suppose, got another machine with 2gb
09:53<sret>same board Intel D
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09:57<ayaka>babilen, I also install nvidia-settibg, but it tell not install driver
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09:58<babilen>ayaka: Could you run the command with "LANG=C" in front of it and show me?
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09:59<ayaka>babilen, but I in X,
09:59<babilen>ayaka: So, it is working?
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10:00<ayaka>babilen, but it in 1024*768,it should 1920*1080,so I install nvidia-setting
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10:00<babilen>ayaka: May I have a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log please? And the "not install driver" output + command please
10:01<ayaka>babilen, Setting up nvidia-settings (195.36.24-1) ...,may becasue of this
10:01<babilen>ayaka: "aptitude install pastebinit ; pastebinit -b /var/log/Xorg.0.log" ..
10:01<babilen>ayaka: Most definitely -- You want to install it from experimental as well (aptitude -t experimental install nvidia-settings)
10:02<ayaka>babilen, yes,I do as this but still 195
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10:02<babilen>,versions nvidia-settings
10:02<judd>Package nvidia-settings on i386 -- etch/contrib: 1.0+20060516-3; lenny/contrib: 173.14.09-1; sid/contrib: 195.36.24-1; squeeze/contrib: 195.36.24-1
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10:02<babilen>ayaka: it's not in experimental yet
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10:05<babilen>ayaka: You are using the "NOUVEAU" driver not "nvidia" (the one we just installed)
10:05<babilen>,versions nvidia-xconfig
10:05<judd>Package nvidia-xconfig on i386 -- etch: 1.0+20051122-2; lenny: 1.0+20080522-2; sid/contrib: 195.36.31-1; squeeze/contrib: 195.36.31-1; experimental/contrib: 256.53-1
10:05<ayaka>babilen, nvidia-xconfig can't find
10:05<babilen>ayaka: "aptitude -t experimental install nvidia-xconfig" -- "nvidia-xconfig" (as root)
10:06<babilen>ayaka: What do you mean? Do you have it installed (with the command above) ?
10:06<guynux>KAFFEINE please , i have n't "OFFSET 167 kHz ... for TV (LENNY)
10:06<ayaka>babilen, no,i said this before you said
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10:07<ayaka>babilen, WARNING: Unable to locate/open X configuration file. ,so I need to reboot X
10:07<babilen>ayaka: Note that the versions differ -- not sure if that is a problem. We are dealing with *very* new and untested software here :-)
10:07<babilen>ayaka: show me, please
10:07<babilen>ayaka: Oh, hang on
10:08<ayaka>babilen, Setting up nvidia-xconfig (256.53-1) ,
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10:09<ayaka>babilen, hang on what
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10:10<babilen>ayaka: so, you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf now? May I see it? What is the output of "nvidia-xconfig" ?
10:10<babilen>(LANG=C nvidia-xconfig)
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10:12<babilen>ayaka: Ok, try it now. It might just work ...
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10:12<ayaka>babilen, reboot X?
10:12<babilen>ayaka: yes
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10:13<babilen>cya in a second
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10:14<ayaka>babilen, ok I will leave a minture,I can't use ctrl + alt +back to reboot x
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10:15<babilen>ayaka: Yes, that functionality has been disabled in newer Xorg versions (I hate that and you can re-enable it if you want to) -- Do you use a login manager?
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10:17<ayaka>babilen, this time is ok,too thank you,after test,I will decide to use this or run file
10:18<ladoga>oh no...
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10:18<babilen>ayaka: Yay! May I take a look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of "glxinfo" please to make sure that everything is fine?
10:18<sret>OT: is it possible to register a domain that just uses numbers like say
10:18<babilen>ladoga: Welcome to Debian :)
10:19<babilen>sret: AFAIK that shouldn't be a problem -- You can register one using chinese, arabic, or whatever script as well.
10:19<ladoga>yeah but what kind of device name is pciN#N :)
10:19<sret>babilen: nice thanks:P
10:20<babilen>ayaka: You might also be interested in joining #debian-zh (the chinese channel of Debian -- it needs more people!)
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10:21<ankur_trapasiya>is anyone there?
10:22<babilen>ankur_trapasiya: No, you are alone.
10:22<ankur_trapasiya>i want to know
10:22<ankur_trapasiya>how can i join a open source project?
10:22<ayaka>babilen, there is no one,I can't talk to anyone(in fact,a few people even mot flood there)
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10:23<sret>ladoga: not a bad idea though
10:23<sret>but makes little difference to me
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10:24<babilen>ayaka: That looks perfect! Yay! 我們兩個好棒!
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10:26<ayaka>babilen, you are better than me,都是您的努力
10:26<ladoga>sret: might be hard to use device names with # in scripts
10:26<sret>ladoga: why
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10:27<babilen>ankur_trapasiya: Write patches, fix bugs, translate documentation .... various ways. If you are interested in helping Debian, check:
10:27<ladoga>sret: actually they had to report bug against initscripts (which doesn't accept # as part of device name)
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10:27<sret>ladoga: interesting
10:27<ladoga>sret: because # is comment in bash?
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10:27<sret>prolly there will be a fix
10:27<sret>ladoga: oh right
10:27<babilen>ayaka: 謝謝。 祝你有個好夢!
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10:30<ayaka>babilen, 其实我因为数据丢失一时不会去睡觉,虽然未成年熬夜是不好的,但是这是春节假期
10:31<babilen>ayaka: But note that we shouldn't talk Chinese in here. Just wanted to be polite. You can /msg me if you want to continue.
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10:31<ayaka>babilen, I know this,but just forget
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10:35<philsf>I created a .deb for a software I created, and would like what's the best way to teach a newbie to install it. I thought dpkg -i package.deb + aptitude install -f would pull all the dependencies, but instead it offers to remove the broken package. Is there a way to tell apt to get the deps for the unnoficial .deb (assuming all deps are available in the repos)?
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10:39<kanru>ayaka: join #debian-zh, although everyone is off during the holiday ;-)
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10:40<ayaka>kanru, I will never speak chinese here,but why to that channel?a few people there
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10:41<freagg>hello, ive got ethc installed long ago on my server, and now i have to install vbox, but when i do it says Depends: libcups2 (>= 1.4.0) but it is not going to be installed
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10:42<freagg>Unmet dependencies.
10:42<freagg>how to fix that?
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10:42<kanru>ayaka: because we need more people there!
10:42<devil>freagg: more input needed.
10:43<devil>freagg: what version of debian?
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10:44<kanru>ayaka: we used to have 100+ nicks there.. but less and less recently
10:45<devil>freagg: oh, i guess, ethc is supposed to mean etch.
10:45<Torsten_W>philsf, if your deb is broken, you have build it against the wrong libs
10:46<devil>freagg: you will have a hard time with that, no libcups2 in etch, even the one in lenny is too old (<= 1.4)
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10:46<Action>Hello all
10:46<ladoga>ayaka: you can be on both:)
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10:48<ladoga>ayaka: finnish support channel is also very quiet (no messages for several days)
10:48<ayaka>kanru, I have be there a time
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10:54<katsrc>does anyone know how i can automate Nvidia proprietary driver installation after a kernel update?
10:55<devil>katsrc: with dkms
10:55<katsrc>devil: can you elaborate a little?
10:55<devil>katsrc: you need to put the phrase 'nvidia-source' into dkms
10:56<philsf>Torsten_W, my deb is broken because the deps are not installed. I just need a "proper" way to install its deps
10:56<devil>katsrc: sorry, nvidia-kernel-source
10:57<Torsten_W>philsf, if the deb is build against the right dependencies, apt-get -f install on the target system would work
10:57<devil>katsrc: should be in /etc/default/dkms
10:57<katsrc>it seems to be missing
10:57<Torsten_W>philsf, and, make sure, the deps are listed in debian/control
10:57<katsrc>devil: does that mean i have rely on drivers from the repo?
10:58<devil>katsrc: huh? what is missing? dkms? if so, install it
10:58<katsrc>devil: so the nvidia-kernel-dkms package?
10:59<devil>katsrc: dkms, as i said
10:59<Torsten_W>if you use the installer from nvidia, you can't use nvidia-kernel-dkms from debian
11:00<devil>well, one should not use the installer if the debian way works
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11:01<katsrc>so my only option is to manually reinstall the drivers after kernel updates?
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11:01<philsf>Torsten_W, I'm almost sure this step is ok, since the debian/* was created by dh-make-perl
11:01<devil>katsrc: no, inbstall the driver the debian way and then use dkms
11:01<Torsten_W>philsf, i don't think so
11:02<Torsten_W>philsf, if it is so, apt-get -f install would work
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11:03<ayaka>ibus problem,once I press l,ibus will exit
11:03<philsf>Torsten_W, do you have any suggestions on what should I look for? By naked eye, all deps are simple package names, only one has a version, and the one that's versioned is not very new
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11:04<philsf>Torsten_W, I'm sure there are no typos, and no missing deps
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11:06<philsf>Torsten_W, Depends: perl, bioperl, libconfig-simple-perl, libgraphviz-perl, liblog-handler-perl (>= 0.50), libtext-csv-perl
11:07<philsf>Torsten_W, if I install all deps from inside aptitude TUI, everything checks out. I can't figure out why 'install -f' doesn't work
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11:33<sortadi>anybody around has any clue on HP DesignJet T610 Plotter on Linux?
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11:35<babilen> might
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11:36<sret>sortadi: check the hp site for linux and stuff
11:36<sret>thats how i had mine installed
11:36<sret>might have to download their HP libs or whatever
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11:37<babilen>sortadi: You basically need a PPD for your driver. You can then configure the printer in your cups server (http://localhost:631)
11:38<dominick>sortadi, too bad, hplip doesn't support designjet series.
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11:45<joeoshawa>hello i set up a computer for my kids from an old dell t500 its a 500mhz i put 640meg ram into
11:45<joeoshawa>i was wondering if there is a free browser for kids in the repositories or that i can compile
11:46<msferoz85>can anyone explain this problem to me?
11:46<babilen>how does a browser for kids differ from one for adults?
11:46<joeoshawa>i am using fluxbox and rox
11:46<devil>free browser?
11:46<joeoshawa>like big icons they can click on etc
11:46<babilen>!tell msferoz85 -about bat
11:47<joeoshawa>i can use the regular one but it would be good if there was one i could set up that was geared to them
11:47<joeoshawa>like in fluxbox using rox i am making menus using the icons
11:47<babilen>joeoshawa: Hmm, not sure. Haven't come across one, but isn't this rather an accessibility problem? (making sure that icons are of sufficient size)
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11:48<joeoshawa>i guess i mean i guess i should just use cromium and set pages in the startup that go to websites for kids
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11:49<joeoshawa>i just wondered if there was one like that
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11:49<joeoshawa>i saw pay ones but they are full of adds and all they care about is blocking sites
11:49<joeoshawa>while good that is not my primary focus
11:50<dominick>joeoshawa, would creating favourites help?
11:50<joeoshawa>that is what i am thinking
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11:50<joeoshawa>and in cromium it has the big previews of favorites
11:50<joeoshawa>when you start it up or open a tab
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11:51<joeoshawa>someone suggested i get ediubuntu or whatever but i highly doubt that will run on a p500
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11:52<joeoshawa>the point for me was i got little girls i can give this machine to where it will otherwise rot
11:52<joeoshawa>and i am on it now
11:53<joeoshawa>its as fast in most cases as my dual core 2.7
11:53<babilen>joeoshawa: yeah, sure. --
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11:53<dominick>joeoshawa, try this: it's a plugin for mozillz firefox/iceweasel
11:54<babilen>joeoshawa: #debian-edu might also be worth a try
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11:55<joeoshawa>i think icyweasel came on here
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11:57<joeoshawa>to tell you the truth this computer was suprisingly easy to set up
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11:57<joeoshawa>i got a custom disney princess login and background on the desktop
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11:58<joeoshawa>big icons for menus
11:58<joeoshawa>and i can make it so they can't access the fluxbox meny
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11:59<joeoshawa>so no accidental erasing of system files
11:59<kop>joeoshawa: FWIW, I had good luck with the lxde desktop. YMMV. Also you may want to check out dansguardian.
11:59<joeoshawa>cool thanks
11:59<kop>joeoshawa: (Backups, and don't give them root. :)
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11:59<joeoshawa>lol i know
12:00<dominick>joeoshawa, i would prefer otherwise. I'd give my kids the root access and let them learn by their mistakes...
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12:00<joeoshawa>i want to make a live cd when i am finished so i can reinstall if it ever became a problem
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12:01<joeoshawa>oh i will but she is 4
12:01<dominick>joeoshawa, ;-)
12:01<DennisTheTiger>OK, I'm a bit stuck here. I have Lenny on one volume, and XP on another volume - that is, it's on two different drives entirely - and I'm looking to dual boot. I'm slightly confused, because the instructions for dual-boot assume you have Linux and XP on one drive.
12:01<DennisTheTiger>This said, is there anything special I need to do in Grub to make it dual-boot?
12:02<kop>DennisTheTiger: No.
12:02<devil>not really. should work ootb.
12:02<DennisTheTiger>Then I presume just telling grub to loook at the volume and there it is, voom, we're good?
12:02<ayaka>which cmd is same to apt-get build dep in aptitube
12:02<joeoshawa>i will upload it somewhere when i am done what i like about it is you can put it on anything capable of using a cd drive and it should work
12:03<drone77>joeoshawa: check out DebianJr
12:03<drone77>joeoshawa: there is even a livecd
12:04<joeoshawa>it does not say what the requirements are and i think it uses kde which makes this thing crawl lol
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12:06<joeoshawa>hahaha thats what i made is a kids system that looks like a toy
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12:07<joeoshawa>its the "ultimate goal" for them
12:08<joeoshawa>its pretty much set up i just need to do the browser find web sites for them and let my nephew keevan test it
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12:08<joeoshawa>he is almost two
12:09<joeoshawa>if he can't mess it up i am good
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12:09<joeoshawa>anyway thanks
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12:19<osmans>Okay guys I am having a complete brain fart and Google isn't helping at all. What is the key combination for ending a TELNET session?
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12:20<osmans>I think it is something like CTRL X 6 or something
12:20<mc68040>osmans: ctrl-]?
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12:21<osmans>hmm..that worked... but I remember from my CCNA days that there was a specific weird key combination to end a session completely.
12:21<osmans>Whatever.. that works
12:21<osmans>Thanks much mc68040
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12:28<educacao>alguem fala portugues
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12:29<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
12:29<babilen>ah ...
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12:32<DennisTheTiger>Seem to be having trouble telling Grub to read the Windows volume - note, separate disk entirely from my Lneny install. So far, grub shell tells me it can't mount the volume if I type 'setup (hd2)' or a variant. I've added configurations to menu.lst as per What am I missing, and what are some pointers that will allow me to do this without exploding both of my installs?
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12:38<test1>hi all
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12:38<test1>i have a problem related to swapping
12:38<babilen>don't swap then
12:39<test1>my problem is: moving the memory to swap is very too slow nowadays, i don't know why ?
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12:39<test1>is there anyone knowing my solution?
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12:40<test1>i restarted my linux manytimes to solving it by the problem persisted, and another strange thing is that
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12:41<babilen>swapping is always slow -- the question is: why is it swapping? what is using all your RAM?
12:41<MeglaW>test1: get more memory..
12:41<deavid>can anyone recommend me a FTP server easy to configure?
12:41<test1>(i have 2 computer: 1 with debian lenny 5.0.6 and 1 with ubuntu 64bit 7.10) and both of my computers have very slow speed in working with swap
12:42<MeglaW>does that hdd that has the swap have alot of other i/o operations? ;)
12:43<test1>babilen: no no 1 have 3Giga Bytes on the Debian and 2 Giga Byte on ubuntu and on both systems both computers had good speed in working with swap, but for about 1 months both of them have very slow speed for example their speeds are 1 Mega bytes / 1minutes !!!!!!
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12:44<daemonkeeper>You should not consider swap as reliable alternative to system memory. Access is incredible slow compared to memory access. The only benefit of it is, that your kernel does not need to kill processes because they run "out of memory"
12:44<devil>test1: a box with 2 or 3 GB ram should not swap
12:44<corvus_corax>@dennisthetiger try super grub disk or find out partitions with a live cd
12:45<devil>test1: given that you are not working with huge files
12:45<kop>deavid: I have come to prefer vsftpd. (But ftp sucks, use sftp if you can.)
12:45<test1>MeglaW: no i tested many things, i made 3 swap partitions each on 1 hard disk( i have 3 hard disk on each computer) totally about 4.5 Giga bytes and all 3 swaps have very slow speeds :-(
12:45<mc68040>test1: whats ur definition of swap?
12:45<babilen>devil: I've seen database server with 24GB RAM swapping ...
12:45<mc68040>sry, *your*
12:46<devil>babilen: sure, but thats probably not the prob test1 has.
12:46<babilen>devil: Not that this remark has any relevance to test1's problem :)
12:46<MeglaW>test1: yeah thats even worce, you should only have one if any.
12:46<test1>mc68040: what do you mean? a swap is created by "mkswap /dev/sd??" and then activating by "swapon /dev/sd??"
12:46<MeglaW>test1: load up gkrellm and get some numbers on your diskusage in i/o operations... :)
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12:46<kop>test1: How do you know it's slow?
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12:47<deavid>kop: do you know where i can look for a vsftpd configuration how-to ?
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12:47<daemonkeeper>It is obvious that it is slow. To dates architectures have several tiers of memory caches, each increasing access time enormously.
12:47<mc68040>test1: i know, but usually you do that once when installing the system, from where you have the 1mb/min?
12:47<test1>MeglaW: i did many tests for example: i activated only 1 swap partition on 1 computer, and run a huge software to use huge amount of memory but the problem existed the same as before :-(
12:48<DennisTheTiger>corvus_corax: I already know the partitions.
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12:49<kop>deavid: I think it comes out of the box able to support regular logins. If you want anonymous logins for a public ftp server there's some configuration line you set that's obvious from the man page. See also README.Debian below.
12:49<kop>!tell deavid about readme.debian
12:49<cahoot>DennisTheTiger: debians installer didn't create a grub entry for your windows partition?
12:49<corvus_corax>dennys: maybe you put in the wrong in to menu.lst
12:49<test1>mc68040: i measured the speed in this way: i run htop in 1 window and the run a huge software, during the bringing up the software the htop shows the usage of memory and swap and in this way you can measure the time required to swap that memory
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12:50<kop>deavid: You might have to do something speical to get it to run at boot. I forget. See the README.Debian.
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12:50<DennisTheTiger>cahoot: The install has been around for ages. I'm only recently dropping in the Windows volume..Previously I was physically swappiung the drives out for l ack of connectors on my power supply.;
12:51<deavid>kop: the only thing i want is to forbid anonymous ftp and also forbid logins from unix users, i want specific logins with chroot to specific paths; thanks !
12:51<corvus_corax>dennis: try SuperGrubDisk live cd.
12:51<DennisTheTiger>Only other clue I have is
12:51<corvus_corax>is it grub 2 ?
12:52<DennisTheTiger>corvus_corax: Nope, legacy
12:52<DennisTheTiger>Still on Lenny, haven't updated to testing yet.
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12:53<test1>mc68040: i measured the speed in this way: i run htop in 1 window and the run a huge software, during the bringing up the software the htop shows the usage of memory and swap and in this way you can measure the time required to swap that memory
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12:53<test1>is there anybody with the same problem as me, with swap?
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12:53<corvus_corax>DennisTheTiger: but wich boot loader ?
12:54<DennisTheTiger>corvus_corax: grub 0.9
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12:54<kop>test1: During the "bringing up of software" your're reading the software off the disk. If you're also writing to the disk with swap it'll be slow, depending on how your disks perform.
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12:54<corvus_corax>DennisTheTiger: try super grub disk it may help you out
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12:55<DennisTheTiger>corvus_corax: I'll give it a shot. Should be able to boot off a usb device, right?
12:55<corvus_corax>DennisTheTiger: only tried with cd
12:56<corvus_corax>DennisTheTiger: ...but should somehow
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12:57<DennisTheTiger>OK, that's much better =D
12:57<DennisTheTiger>corvus_corax: I'll give it a spin, thanks.
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12:57<test1>kop: no no i am for about 20 year programmer for linux and unix and i can simply diagnose the difference between reading files from hard and swap, for examleyou can bring up a virtual machine (Windows-XP) by virtual-box and setting virtual machine's memory to 2 iga byte when you have only 1 Giga bytes physical memory
12:58<corvus_corax>DennisTheTiger: np
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12:59<daemonkeeper>congratulations test1, you understood virtual memory.
12:59<test1>kop: then you can see that when that virtual Windows-Xp brings up the swap memory usage is began and you can measure its speed with your watch
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12:59<test1>daemonkeeper: what is the mater ?
12:59*themill is still trying to work out if test1 has made the startling discovery that swap is slow compared to memory
13:00<themill>(and that thrashing is worse)
13:00<daemonkeeper>Nothing in particular, just what I said twice, and several people including themill repeated over and over
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13:03<retrospectacus>can't we all just get a bong?
13:03<corvus_corax>along ?
13:04<retrospectacus>that too
13:04<MeglaW>freudian slip
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13:06<corvus_corax>anybody know how to reinstall bonobo without doin upgrades for glib and stuff ?
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13:08<corvus_corax>cannot use browser and and gnome pannal has an unexpeced err
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13:09<test1>is there anybody with the same problem as me, with swap?
13:10<corvus_corax>except lynx ^^
13:10<corvus_corax>test1: swapoff ?
13:10<devil>test1: you need to find out, _why_ the box swaps
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13:11<devil>test1: if your ram is toosmal for your usecase, you need to get more
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13:11<devil>too small
13:11<daemonkeeper>Swap is slow _by definition_
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13:12<corvus_corax>how much ram do you have ?
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13:12<daemonkeeper>You are in a totally different magnitude compared to system memory, which is again a completely different magnitude to CPU caches
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13:13<corvus_corax>can it also be that ram is defect ?
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13:13<test1>devil: i don't know why you all think about any thing other that "swap speed", I have a "very slow speed" in swapping and only in swapong not other this ( memory, hard disk, software ....) i have only a slowing the swap ( very slowing about 1 Mega Bytes /Minute)
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13:14<daemonkeeper>A defect RAM would cause other symptoms, e.g. system crahses
13:14<test1>devil: i don't know why you all think about any thing other than "swap speed", I have a "very slow speed" in swapping and only in swaping not other things ( memory, hard disk, software ....). i have only a slowing in the swap ( very slowing about 1 Mega Bytes /Minute)
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13:15<dli>daemonkeeper, if it's the RAM, most likely memtest will catch it
13:15<test1>and i tested any other matters that you may think about it
13:15<corvus_corax>i think you can atjust priority of using swap
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13:15<devil>test1: sorry, but you seem to not react to things we say. why does it swap in the first place?
13:17<kop>test1: And is the swap partition on the same physical drive as that being used otherwise?
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13:24<kop>test1: (And, if you've tested things but don't tell us what you did or the results then how are we supposed to help?)
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13:26<test1>kop: ok i describe in details:
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13:27<test1>i have 2 computer both with 3 hard disk (1 IDE and 2 SATA) and with OS: 1 with Debian 5.0 and 1 with Ubuntu 64bit 7.10
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13:28<test1>i have on each hard disk about 1 Giga byte swap partition and 2 Giga Byte RAM on Ubuntu and 3 Giga bytes RAM on Debian
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13:29<sney`>is the swap partition on the IDE drive?
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13:31<test1>i told that i have on each hard disks a swap partition sized about 2 or 1 Giga Bytes (including the IDE hard disks)
13:32<sney`>I can't imagine why you would do that.
13:32<test1>that Ubuntu system was installed in almost 3 years ago and that debian system was installed almost 6 months ago
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13:33<test1>sney`: why what things ?!!
13:33<sney`>why so much swap on all of your disks
13:33<kop>sney`: I can see having swap on multiple drives so if one is busy then another can e used. But yes, it is a lot of swap.
13:33<sney`>when you have greater than 1GB of RAM you generally don't need _any_ swap, unless you're hosting huge memory applications or something
13:33<test1>and i have no problem with swaping until 1 month ago on no one of those 2 computers
13:34<kop>test1: No problem as in no swapping?
13:34<sney`>that's my guess as well
13:34<devil>sney`: i tried to bring that across a couple times :)
13:34<test1>the from 1 month ago the speed of swaping decreased very much (until almost 1 Mega Bytes/Minutes)
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13:35<sney`>so when it's swaping(sic), do you hear a lot of disk thrashing noise?
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13:36<test1>from 1 month ago i did many tests as follows:
13:37<test1>i deactivated the swaps but 1 swap partition for example 1 swap partition on a computer and then i measued the speed again but the speed was steel very slow again
13:37<sney`>you "measured the speed" how?
13:37<sney`>what steps did you take
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13:38<test1>and in the problem persisted on swap partition on SATA or IDE the same.
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13:39<sney`>also, though I doubt you will answer me, are your file transfers noticeably slow? like if you copy a file from one disk to another, is it slower than you expect?
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13:40<sney`>I can only hope he's typing.
13:40<test1>for example when i brings up some internet pages that consum very memory and from the time system begine to swap the memory the system goes very slow and thus if it need to swap 100 Mega Bytes only, it consum about 1.5 hour to swap the memory to swap partition and after swapping the system speed goes normal again
13:41<cahoot>no complaints in dmesg/logs?
13:41<sney`>some internet pages that consum very memory. mein gott
13:43<test1>any i have unfortunately this problem with each software that begine to consum huge memory greater that physical memory, for example using memory with Firefox or by Virtual-box or Kdevelope or bringing up more that 1 KDE session or any other software with consumming huge memory amounts.
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13:44<ompaul>test1: please use please put in there the contents of the output of the following, fdisk -l and free
13:44<sney`>look, besides the insane setup you're running, my best guess is either a) your disks are full or close, and thrashing between file partitions/swap partitions, or b) something went screwy in an update and dropped you into PIO mode.
13:44<sney`>ompaul: he should probably show you df -h as well
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13:45<ompaul>sney`: he should show you to that too ;-)
13:45<sney`>I don't know why I even responded, I have real work to do
13:45<Daniel1970>Anyone familiar with the .22 grub cd?
13:45<ompaul>I've to go out in a few
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13:46<test1>and in the tests i used the software in a way that they do not need interacting with other partitions of hard disks
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13:46<ompaul>test1: you have been asked questions, are you aware of that?
13:46<sney`>test1: oh, well in that case you're just perfect and the problem is based on the ALIGNMENT of JUPITER. everything is wrong, nothing should be wrong, and it's all #debian's fault for not fixing it with no information to go on
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13:47<Daniel1970>Trying to restore the boot to Linux on the second hard drive. Grub2
13:47<test1>Another tests i did with new versions of Linux such as Ubuntu 10.10 on the same computers and even on my notebook ( my 3th computer) i have the same problem, unfortunately, only from 1-2 months ago,
13:47<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
13:47<sney`>what's a .22 grub cd, Daniel1970? we see too much in here to remember the short form of everything
13:47<test1>and i had no such problem from 10 years ago until 1-2 months ago :-(
13:48<test1>ompaul: yes i am providing your answers now
13:48<Daniel1970>Sorry about that. I went and downloaded a Grub CD ISO from the website. Version .22 I believe it was.
13:48<sney`>from the grub website?
13:48<Daniel1970>SuperGrub website.
13:48<Daniel1970>Looking it up now.
13:49<sney`>Daniel1970: never mind that, what's the problem? what happened, what did you try, what did you expect
13:49<MeglaW>test1: what we have here is a comunication issue, you are asking for help but not awsering any questions or posting any usefull information for us to help you with.
13:49<Daniel1970> Rescatux
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13:49<snooky>hi all
13:49<snooky>i need help but i dont really good speak english
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13:50<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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13:50<test1>ompaul: you can see
13:50<Daniel1970>I had stupid XP installed on main HD and Linux on second drive. I had to redo windows because of a trojan/virus/whatever and now I cannot get back into Linux.
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13:50<ompaul>Daniel1970: we don't support windows or ubuntu
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13:50<sney`>ompaul you're pretty hair trigger today
13:51<devil>Daniel1970: to make it short: windows kills grub. reinstall it.
13:51<Daniel1970>I went to the Ubuntu help but that was a bit confusing so I wanted to try this Grub CD and it is too confusing as well.
13:51<ompaul>sney`: I should go out
13:51<sney`>well sorry Daniel1970 but we can't help with ubuntu
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13:51<test1>ompaul: you can see
13:51<Daniel1970>I am trying to re-install grub.
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13:52<Daniel1970>I will keep researching and trying. Thank you.
13:52<Daniel1970>Take care all.
13:52<sney`>here's a keyword: chroot
13:52<snooky>everyone can help me
13:52<test1>MeglaW: i wrote the answer to the questions. Is there any other question?
13:52<ompaul>test1: please also provide df -h
13:52<sney`>snooky, just ask, but if you need to spreche deutsch you can also do /join
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13:53<snooky>the users in dont wont help
13:53<sney`>well ask your question and we'll see
13:54<devil>snooky: they dont wabnt to help? thats not even close to true.
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13:54<test1>ompaul: this is you answer:
13:55<cahoot>and yours
13:55<sney`>I'm just at a terminal, are they full?
13:56<cahoot>to say the least
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13:56<sney`>called it
13:56<snooky> in
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13:57<cahoot>test1: did you bother to read the output?
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13:57<test1>ompaul: why you do not notice to output of "swapon -s" ?!!!!!
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13:58<test1>cahoot: the output of what thing ? !!
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13:58<ompaul>test1: you do realise most of your disks are full, and I did ask you already for the output of "free" which I did not get yet
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13:59<ompaul>test1: as most of your disks are full and you are running ubuntu you need to go to #ubuntu-ir and chat there have fun
14:00<ompaul>test1: I have to leave now
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14:01<test1>ompaul: excuse me, please. this is your answer:
14:01<sney`>test1: your problem is your disks are full
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14:01<corvus_corax>problem solved
14:02<test1>no no no , i don't know why you all noticed to partitions other that swap !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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14:03<ompaul>test1: your swap is turned on and not full so I have no idea what you are on about ...
14:03<test1>my problem is with the swap partitions and i have 2 other computers with the same problem, there is no relation with the the usage of partitions with swap speed
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14:03<ompaul>test1: your problem is you are running ubuntu and you are hard to communicate with, I have to leave now, bye :)
14:03<sney`>test1: you need to learn how hard drives work
14:03<test1>ompaul: bye
14:04<test1>sney': i don't know what can i tell you more !!!! :-( ubfortunately
14:05<sney`>we cannot help you any more
14:05<cahoot>test1: you stubbornly refuse to see the obvious
14:05<devil>test1: no need to say more. you dont want to understand what we say.
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14:06<corvus_corax>anybody who can help me with bonobo problem ?
14:07<sney`>corvus_corax: maybe, ask your question
14:08<corvus_corax>i try to reinstall mozilla-bonobo but returns with error code one looked at aptitude and seems gpdf is missing
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14:09<corvus_corax>needet to run icewasel
14:09<sney`>wasn't bonobo replaced by d-bus? anyway, what do you mean 'missing'? does apt 404 when it tries to download it?
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14:11<test1>devil: if you say i noticed ti what you say, thanks
14:11<test1>devil: if you say i noticed to what you say, thanks
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14:11<test1>devil: if you say i will notice to what you say, thanks
14:11<sney`>don't spam
14:11<devil>test1: i have probably never seen such a serious output of df -h than yours.
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14:12<corvus_corax>nope exit status 25 and sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
14:12<devil>test1: just fill them up a tiny bit more and you have no prob with swaping, because your system will not boot.
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14:12<sney`>corvus_corax: can you run the command you're trying and put the output in a pastebin?
14:13<corvus_corax>tried to aptitude install mozilla-bonobo and what i get is:
14:13<sney`>don't paste to the channel
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14:13<sney`>paste to or similar
14:13<sney`>then link
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14:14<corvus_corax>il try but only can use lynx now because ineed mozilla-bonobo ; )
14:15<sney`>no epiphany?
14:15<test1>devil: the "df -h"'s output:
14:15<corvus_corax>didnt work either
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14:15<devil>test1: i seen it. its a catastrophee
14:15<test1>devil: i must fill what things?
14:15<sney`>fill your head with learning
14:15<devil>test1: did you look at the output?
14:16<sney`>man that's not even df -h it's free
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14:16<test1>devil: but the swaps is not related to usage of hard disk's partitions
14:16<amakusa>does anyone know how to integrate the three gimp windows in just one?
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14:16<test1>devil: output of what?
14:16<corvus_corax>its says segmentation fault if i run from fluxbox over terminal same with synaptic pakage manager, epiphany, ...
14:16<cahoot>amakusa: paste as layer?
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14:17<sney`>amakusa: there used to be a modification called gimpshop that did that
14:17<devil>test1: your boxes are slow overall because your partitions are more than full. and that is the last i will say on the issue.
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14:17<amakusa>sney: is it no longer available?
14:17<sney`>amakusa: I don't know, I only remember hearing about it a few years ago
14:18<devil>test1: if does not give you a clue then nothing we say, will.
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14:18<amakusa>sney: but it's a good clue, I'll look into it, thanks
14:18<test1>devil: but the swaps is not related to usage of hard disk's partitions
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14:19<snooky>wo can helP?
14:19<sney`>test1: we cannot help you any more. Please stop saying the same thing over and over. please go away
14:19<devil>test1: you are right. we are wrong.
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14:23<corvus_corax>sney`: how do this work when you said "put it in a pastebin" ?
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14:23<test1>excuse me :-(
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14:26<sney`>corvus_corax: you paste it into the website, then give us the link to what you pasted
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14:26<sney`>but I think if you're getting a lot of segvs and apt errors, you have a more serious issue, like a partial install
14:27<corvus_corax>im sure its only a bonobo issue
14:28<corvus_corax>if theres something like that ^^
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15:10<sret>just wondering
15:10<sret>the irssi-scripts pkg is outdated or ok to install?
15:10<sret>its dated 2007
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15:11<daemonkeeper>There is no reason to take that into question, unless you run into problems.
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15:12<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:13<daemonkeeper>As far as I know, if anything "hola" would be Spanish.
15:15<jhutchins_lt>sret: Not much about irc has changed since 2007. Or since 1997 for that matter.
15:15<devil>daemonkeeper: thats why i hinted to a spanish channel :)
15:15<sret>daemonkeeper: im not hell bent in installing it, but i certainly dont want to run into problems only having to then uninstall the damn thing
15:16<daemonkeeper>sret: Well, its yet supported in stable.
15:16<daemonkeeper>And you can check the bug reports.
15:16<daemonkeeper>There seems nothing critical.
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15:17<daemonkeeper>devil: Well, don't know, just wanted to say, If I'd have made an educated guess, I would have said Portuguese.
15:18<daemonkeeper>devil: But anyway, he's gone ...
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15:18<devil>daemonkeeper: ah, i missed the diff ola/hola
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15:19<cd_>Hi guys! I'm kinda newbie, but not really quite... I installed snort 2.7.0 on my debian gateway and want to use oinkmaster to update my snort rules. The problem is that on the oldest rules sets are for snort Can I use these rules on my snort 2.7.0 instalation? Or is there a way to update snort on debian to at least? Thanks.
15:20<devil>cd_: unstable has snort
15:20<devil>cd_: experimental has 0
15:21<cd_>devil: I'd rather not mess with unstable stuff... Other ideea?
15:21<devil>cd_: sorry, no, i dont use snort.
15:21<devil>i use unstable, so i took a quick look :)
15:22<daemonkeeper>cd_: There seems not to be a bckport, consider dotdeb or something then.
15:22<cd_>devil: do you use some IDS on your system? Is there (decent) alternatives to snort?
15:22<devil>cd_: i dont, no.
15:22<daemonkeeper>cd_: Depending on your purpose, there are alternatives.
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15:23<cd_>daemonkeeper: as such?
15:23<cd_>daemonkeeper: psad?
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15:24<daemonkeeper>For high peromance IDS (e.g. large bandwidths) Bro IDS. Be warned that it is much more complicated than Snort, but your choice for several GBit links.
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15:25<cd_>daemonkeeper: I'll use this IDS on my home gateway, nothing commercial or for large installations...
15:25<daemonkeeper>I think Snort is ok then.
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15:26<cd_>daemonkeeper: I need something decent, that can be updated.
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15:26<daemonkeeper>cd_: You may wait ~ 10 more days.
15:26<daemonkeeper>Then Squeeze is released and you get a more decent snort for free.
15:27<daemonkeeper>As soon as you upgrade
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15:28<cd_>daemonkeeper: Oh, is there a new debian distributin to be released? Didn't watch the news...
15:28<daemonkeeper>Yes, very soon.
15:29<daemonkeeper>See also the topic ;)
15:29<cd_>daemonkeeper: very very good news...
15:29<cd_>daemonkeeper: what topic? on
15:29<daemonkeeper>Yes, here. Right on the top :p
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15:30<daemonkeeper>"| squeeze release planned for 5th/6th Feb 2011"
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15:36<illuminatedwax>I am running sid on my laptop, and I am trying to develop an app in Qt. However, when I compile and run a basic test app, the window shows up but Qt doesn't draw in the background. I end up with phantoms from windows behind it: The window will draw the background correctly when I resize it. Am I missing some libraries? Is this a bug? I asked the Qt people and they had no clue what could be wrong. My g
15:36<illuminatedwax>uess is that it's a debian issue -- it works fine on my other computer AND other Qt programs I download from the net work correctly. Can anyone help?
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15:41<sney`>illuminatedwax: sid is by nature full of bugs, the purpose of sid is to find the bad bugs so the packages can be pushed down to the 'testing' distribution, which is actually intended as a usable OS
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15:41<illuminatedwax>sney should i submit a bug report
15:41<sney`>if you're going to use sid, then by all means go ahead, but set your expectations appropriately
15:41<illuminatedwax>it works on another computer i have that runs sid
15:42<daemonkeeper>Could also be a driver issue
15:42<daemonkeeper>e.g. of your graphics adapter
15:42<sney`>it's sid so there are lots of things that could be an issue. some bugs only show up on certain hardware/software configurations. it's unstable!
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15:43<illuminatedwax>sney, should i submit a bug report
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15:44<sney`>illuminatedwax: I'd start by looking through the bugs for packages that might be relevant and seeing if anyone else has experienced the same issue
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15:49<sret>what's a bootchart? like the time taken to boot the system?
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15:49<daemonkeeper>Yes, a graphical breakdown
15:49<sret>ok so my system takes around 10-12 secs actually
15:49<ompaul>sret: have a look there
15:49<sret>is that ok? i have a few stuff loading up at startup though
15:50<sret>ompaul: there already
15:50<sret>so cant i do this in deiban without a bootchart telling me how long it takes to boot?
15:50<ompaul>sret: it is not bad, 15 years ago 45-55 seconds of o/s boot time was pretty sharp, obviously it could be tuned a lot but that was
15:51<ompaul>sret: get out your stopwatch
15:51<sret>so where do i lose time during boot up , im guessing its just the startup programs
15:52<sret>or is there anywhere else i can look at to tune it?
15:52<ompaul>sret: media, bios, what processes you start, you most likely want most of them
15:52<sret>media nothing
15:52<dondelelcaro>sret: most of it is reading stuff off of disk; the general answer is not to actually shut the machine completely down if you care about it
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15:52<dondelelcaro>(use hibernation or the various suspend modes)
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15:53<ompaul>sret: however is it really worth it, because your uptime would need to be cut significantly if you were to gain from work done to get a faster boot time, unless you have some special needs
15:53<sret>dondelelcaro: so shutting off the machine is a bad idea?
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15:54<sret>ompaul: ok makes sense
15:54<sret>i guess 10 secs is not too bad
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15:55<Syos>can you telll me for what are you talking about
15:55<Syos> i have just loged in
15:55<dondelelcaro>sret: no, I mean, if you're seriously concerned about boot time, then you do things to avoid having to actually boot
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15:55<dondelelcaro>sret: but almost no one actually cares if a machine takes 2 seconds or 15 seconds to boot
15:55<jthill>see the video of the guy who got linux to boot to a full qt interface in under one second? This one completely known hardware, but still.
15:56<sret>dondelelcaro: yeah i got that , right:P doesn't hurt
15:56<ompaul>jthill: got a link handy?
15:56<jthill>lemme rummage
15:57<jthill>google boot linux in under one second
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15:57<Syos>what distro of linux
15:58<jthill>his very own, after he got through with it. good talk on how he did it in there.
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15:59<ompaul>Syos: you can do it if you hack the bootup get your dependencies right, have a powerful enough box, use a linux bios designed to boot linux ;-)
15:59<cd_>Hi guys! There was a debian package that (set up a web server? to) let me browse the documentation using a http browser, but forgot it's name. Any help? Thanks.
15:59<corvus_corax>like coreboot ?
15:59<ompaul>corvus_corax: basically yes
16:00<ompaul>getting the bios to provide an env that the o/s can just grab and run with (very mad)
16:00<sret>jthill: montavista video?
16:00<sret>oh QT app ok
16:01<corvus_corax>never tried to do with the laptop only have one bios but i think you can emulate coreboot for a test
16:01<ompaul>corvus_corax: the last time I looked at it, it was only suitable for servers
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16:02<sret>ok this is all for embedded linux
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16:02<jthill>check his talk. It didn't look anything like that when he started.
16:03<jthill>wait, I'm talking about the swiftboot one
16:03<corvus_corax>ompaul: i dont think its for server only but correct me if im wrong.
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16:04<ompaul>corvus_corax: it was advised as such when I last looked a couple of years ago
16:04<Syos>they currently support 230 different mainboards
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16:05<corvus_corax>opmaul: but since there changed alot i think saw som video from a university and a guy from this project was talking about it
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16:09<corvus_corax>...cant remember where i found this video.
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16:11<ompaul>jthill: got that - nice
16:12<jthill>yeah. I'm going to be carrying the itch to try that on my box right here until it wins
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16:33<sret>when im downloading random apps, i put it in usr/local right
16:33<sret>and then untar it or whatever to ^/
16:35<retrospectacus>you should use aptitude to get apps
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16:35<retrospectacus>but no, download to Desktop or Downloads (wherever), untar to wherever also
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16:36<retrospectacus>then you can make install or create a link in /usr/local/bin to the executable
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16:45<sret>retrospectacus: oh i thought deb didnt have it, mistake, you;re right i should check first
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16:50<sret>i was installing figlet, lol that's a perfect reason for one to get banned from a channel, dont think a llot of them tolerate that
16:51<daemonkeeper>heh, I haven't heard people referring about figlet since years
16:51<retrospectacus>you should do an aptitude search before even googling for (whatever kind of software you are wanting)
16:54<sret>retrospectacus: i know:P was a bit hasty
16:54<sret>daemonkeeper: using it?
16:55<sret>its pretty goddamn annoying if you ask me but fun if you dont run the channel lol
16:55<abrotman>sret: there's a free alternative in Debian
16:55<rpetre>daemonkeeper: better with figlet | cowsay -n
16:55<daemonkeeper>sret: Sure, not in IRC though - you mentioned yourself the reason not to.
16:56<abrotman>judd: info toilet --release squeeze
16:56<judd>Package toilet (text, optional) in squeeze/i386: display large colourful characters in text mode. Version: 0.2-1; Size: 20.9k; Installed: 96k
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16:56<daemonkeeper>rpetre: cowsay! Another of those memories!
16:56<sret>abrotman: oh yeah i have that too hah
16:56<rpetre>daemonkeeper: ;)
16:56<daemonkeeper>(aptitude should have cow powers too!)
16:57<abrotman>daemonkeeper: aptitude -vvvvv moo
16:57<daemonkeeper>What's that, Nessie?
16:57<abrotman>daemonkeeper: aptitude -vvvvvv moo
16:57<daemonkeeper>No cow though :p
16:57<daemonkeeper>oh. heh
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16:58<retrospectacus>try apt-get moo if you need a cow
16:59<daemonkeeper>retrospectacus: Why do you think, I mentioned that?
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16:59<Back5>hello i have a problem with my computer sound help me ?
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17:01<daemonkeeper>Back5: Ask about your concrete problem
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17:04<Back5>je peux ecouter avec mes ecouteur mais pas avec haut parleur
17:04<Back5>I can listen with my headphones but not speaker
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17:04<abrotman>which linux is this?
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17:07<corvus_corax>ah its from "der kleine prinz" ;)
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17:07<Back5>yes which Linux
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17:08<Back5>der kleine prinz ??
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17:08<corvus_corax>le pedit prince
17:08<corvus_corax>its a book
17:08<educacao>good night
17:09<f8l>!tell Back5 about fr
17:09<daemonkeeper>Back5: Chances are you have muted the speaker channel
17:09<daemonkeeper>e.g. in ALSA
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17:13<Back5>yes its muted
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17:16<corvus_corax>somebody know howto copy/paste text in lynx ?
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17:22<corvus_corax>anyone into lynx ?
17:22<cthuluh>corvus_corax: ^A [ Up Up Enter Right ... Right q
17:22<cthuluh>then ^A ]
17:22<cthuluh>(using screen)
17:23<corvus_corax>got it once
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17:24<corvus_corax>sounds like some mysterious key combination XD
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17:26<cthuluh>corvus_corax: if you're into ttys, then gpm might be interesting
17:28<corvus_corax>cthuluh:ty, im on it.
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17:37<corvus_corax>cthulu:nice tip, also works in vi!
17:38<biiter>please.. how do i list whitch serives start after boot ?
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17:42<retrospectacus>biiter: boot and see what is running?
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17:44<biiter>retrospectacus: yeah.. thats not the best way of duing that...
17:44<retrospectacus>how about ls /etc/rc2.d
17:45<biiter>thank you wery much
17:46<retrospectacus>you may be interested in the update-rc.d command if you like to enable/disable things in there.
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17:49<biiter>great. thanks
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18:02<corvus_corax>finally <===screwed bonobo
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18:04<ompaul>corvus_corax: you not going to do dpkg --configure -a
18:05<corvus_corax>ompaul: ?
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18:06<ompaul>corvus_corax: in cases like that I tend to do apt-get upgrade and it gives out to me and then suggests a command to give me the path to application nirvana
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18:07<corvus_corax>ompaul: k, i will try but im sure i have the same exit status 245
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18:09<corvus_corax>ompaul: same
18:10<corvus_corax>ompaul: also tried --force-yes...
18:10<ompaul>that last one is a bad one
18:11<ompaul>corvus_corax: remove the .deb in your /var/cache/apt/archive apt-get update apt-get install the package name again - then do dpkg --configure -a
18:11<ompaul>corvus_corax: --force-yes can kill otherwise good and working programs
18:12<ompaul>corvus_corax: good luck with that
18:12<corvus_corax>ompaul: "apt-get install --reinstall mozilla-bonobo --force-yes"
18:12<ompaul>and --force-yes is not your friend
18:13<ompaul>don't use it unless you know how to recover from it killing some or all of the rest of your system
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18:16<Lomion>Good even lads. I just performed paralell installations of a fresh debian OS on both my stationary and laptop computers. What I'm wondering is wether or not there is an inate application through which it would be possible to control the stationary (move files/change music etc) from the laptop via something similar to VNC?
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18:19<corvus_corax>ompaul: didnt work ...when i was looking by typing aptitude and searched for mozilla-bonobo it only says gpdf (UNAVAILABLE) =>needet for icweasel, konqueror, ...
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18:20<Lomion>Bah, it disconnected on me, did anyone have an answer to my earlier query?
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18:21<bighornram>I'm having difficulty finding info to firewall my squeeze machine which connects to vpn via pptp. The eth0 interface is connected to my router which has pptp passthrough. When pptp connects it adds ppp0 interface with vpn's IP. Will this connection be secured by my iptables or do I need to add lines for the new interface too?
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18:22<Lomion>if it's got passthrough it should be alright innit?
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18:23<retrospectacus>Lomion: look into xdmcp
18:23<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>.
18:24<vyler>What does putting something in 'Jail' mean? ex. putting Apache in Jail.
18:24<bighornram>Lomion: it connects great though the vpn is an internet connection (anonymous) so the connecting network is not safe.
18:24<daemonkeeper>Putting the service into a chroot "jail"
18:24<daemonkeeper>I.e. isolate it from the rest of the filesystem
18:25<chiku>does dpkg know which kernel version for backports ?
18:25<retrospectacus>vyler: it's like a mini-OS in a folder for apache (e.g.) to run in
18:25<retrospectacus>chiku: no but judd does
18:25<bighornram>I find much documentation about forwarding and masq for a firewall but this is simply to secure the machine/pptp client from the vpn'd internet connection.
18:25<themill>,kernels --release lenny-backports
18:25<judd>Available kernel versions are: lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1)
18:25<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-trunk-686 (2.6.37-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
18:26<chiku>oh ok
18:26<chiku>there is nothing
18:26<vyler>retrospectacus: so the advantages are a more tightly knit system to keep out intruders then?
18:27<retrospectacus>more like one system running inside a jail within the main system. Attackers may be able to attack the jail but cannot get into the main system
18:27<abrotman>chiku: because it's "linux-image"
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18:27<themill>chiku: "too generic" doesn't mean nothing.
18:27<daemonkeeper>retrospectacus: A "Mini OS" is wrong, one might obviously see that logically as if it were, practically it is not even close to an operating system (e.g. in contrast to BSD jail, where its counterpart would be a linux vserver)
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18:28<retrospectacus>a mini environment perhaps
18:28<prozac>hi. i have 2 computers. pc1 has a internet connection via wlan. and
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18:29<daemonkeeper>retrospectacus: Yes, I can live with it being refered as "environment".
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18:30<prozac>hi. i have 2 computers. pc1 has 1wlan card(internet) and 1 lan card connected to pc2. i want to get with pc 2 to the internet. is there any solution to share pc1s internet connection?
18:30<retrospectacus>well I'm glad you are happy :)
18:31<daemonkeeper>prozac: Sure, you need to forward packets on pc1
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18:32<prozac>is there any tutorial for that? or can you explain me how to configure that?
18:32<daemonkeeper>Chances are you want ask Google about IP forwarding and masquerading
18:32<daemonkeeper>Depending on your topology.
18:34<corvus_corax>i think theres an article on about masquerading
18:34<daemonkeeper>There should be at least 1e6
18:35<prozac>thank you!
18:36<daemonkeeper>prozac: You are welcome, feel free to ask further questions in ##networking on Freenode (or its equivalent here if it exists)
18:36<chiku>linux-image without bigmem doesn't support more than 4GB ?
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18:37<chiku>except amd64
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18:38<dpkg>For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, if you have an <amd64> processor, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need bigmem.
18:38<daemonkeeper>I almost finished typing the same! :/
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18:39<retrospectacus>:D gotta be quick on the factoids!
18:39<daemonkeeper>I know. But I'm to lazy to recall the triggers.
18:40<bighornram>I'm trying to secure a pptp client (squeeze machine) connected to anonymous vpn (pptp connection) The connection out is eth0 but when pptp connects is makes a ppp0 connection. Will the ppp0 connection be secured by the eth0 iptables rules?
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18:40<loply>Hi folks
18:40<retrospectacus>loply, hello
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18:41<loply>Does anybody know if I can have multiple name virtualhosts on Apache2 using SSL (on the same port and IP) if I buy a multiple domain SSL certificate?
18:41<daemonkeeper>You can't (that easy)
18:41<dpkg>i guess sni is Server Name Indication, an SSLv3/TLSv1-Extension in Apache (2.2.12 and later) and lighttpd (1.4.24 and later) that allows the servername (of an https:// request) to be transmitted before the SSL handshake. This means you can have two SSL websites on one IP address now.
18:42<retrospectacus>ooo fancy I need to check that out
18:42<retrospectacus>I was about to agree with daemonkeeper
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18:43<daemonkeeper>No, there is. But it is not really working as it is supposed to
18:43<daemonkeeper>Worth to mention that SSL renegotiation is a bit experimental (yet)
18:43<themill>SNI isn't supported by all browsers and isn't supported by apache2 in lenny.
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18:43<loply>It's lenny that I'm using though I don't support IE6 or below on this site anyway
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18:44<loply>It's not a public site, btu the Lenny thing is a show stopper for SNI I think
18:44<themill>,versions apache2 --release lenny-backports
18:44<judd>Package apache2 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 2.2.16-4~bpo50+1
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18:44<daemonkeeper>Well, one might also just wait 10 more days or so
18:44<themill>the version from bpo should be ok (not sure if SNI needs a newer openssl though)
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18:45<loply>I wonder how much my host would charge me for a second IP address
18:45<loply>Presumeably with a second IP it would be okay?
18:45<daemonkeeper>It does themill, at least 0.98something
18:45<themill>IE on winXP doesn't do SNI regardless of the IE version anyway
18:46<retrospectacus>reqd for sni according to the apache wiki
18:46<daemonkeeper>Ok, was about to look up too
18:47<daemonkeeper>loply: Ask your hoster.
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18:48<daemonkeeper>You can have as many SSL certificates as you want without problems, having a dedicated IP for each
18:49<daemonkeeper>For SSL renegotiation themill pointed you to a possibility, I would not really consider ready to use.
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18:49*bja does not understand why would someone use an ip for a certificate when the name it is called for is the one that it is indeed important
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18:50<loply>We changed the name
18:50<daemonkeeper>bja: Because SSL negotiation happens BEFORE you send the HTTP Host: header
18:50<daemonkeeper>That is, you must authenticate against a host name before you give the webserver a chance to identify the appropriate vhoist
18:51<bja>daemonkeeper: let me dig on some researching i've been doing
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19:00<corvus_corax>sney`: can you take a look at this, still got this bonobo problem ?
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19:05<bja>daemonkeeper: look at the Security section
19:05<bja>It is near the end of the file
19:06<daemonkeeper>And your question is?
19:07<bja>o forget about it
19:07<corvus_corax>can somoene help me out ?
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19:09<bja>loply: there is a way to have each vhost with it own certificate but you need a server and client rfc3546 the method i believe it is called SNI
19:09<bja>s/client/clent complying with /
19:09<daemonkeeper>bja: This is exactly what we discussed right above
19:10<bja>daemonkeeper: hmm sorry arrived late into the discussion. I recently had the exact same one with a friend
19:11<bja>I was arguing that cherokee was capable and since i had only web browsers that happened to be compliant there was no problem
19:11<daemonkeeper>Well, yes. You can, but you shouldn't unless you are willing to live on the bleeding edge.
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19:14<bja>daemonkeeper: i setted up an intranet using that. It is more like a lab set up several vsite on one server. In the future they expect to split each vsite to its own server :)
19:14<daemonkeeper>In a closed environment you can do pretty much whatever you want. For the Internet I would not use it (yet) if you depend on having it working
19:15<bja>your are right :-D
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19:43<planet8>Aaaargh.. what the hell happened to midnight commander? I just upgraded my laptop to squeeze.. mc is causing instant blindness with the new default theme!
19:43<cthuluh>just use dired
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19:49<planet8>why the hell would someone do that? It looks absolutely horrible! Impossible to read the text. And if you dl a custom theme the code hightligting disapears and all code becomes white on black or something. Damn it!
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21:35<dy7r>Need help compiling GeForce 7300 SE/7200 GS ???
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21:38<dy7r>Need steps to compile the driver for testing
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21:39<dy7r>did not know this card has no driver avalaible in debian.
21:41<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
21:44<dy7r>if i download the drivers for linux can i use the compiler.
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21:46<jordanm>dy7r: you can follow the guide to do it the debian way, or you can get support elsewhere...
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21:47<jordanm>dy7r: which is just installing the packages with the new dkms system
21:47<dy7r>thank you, have just started.hope all go's well.
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21:57<retrospectacus>dy7r: I use <nvidia m-a> method on squeeze ( /msg dpkg nvidia m-a )
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22:38<JRC>has anyone use backtrack before
22:39<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
22:40<JRC>thanks a bunch --
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