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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-01-28

---Logopened Fri Jan 28 00:00:40 2011
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00:10<exio4>hola
00:10<exio4>hi?
00:10<exio4>hola?
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00:11<exio4>hi
00:11-!-glados [~glados@ip68-7-94-212.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #debian
00:11<exio4>sorry for my english
00:11<exio4>hi glados
00:11<exio4>me have a problem with slitaz... and apt-get
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00:12<exio4>me installed suffeled apt on slitaz cocking
00:12<exio4>now...
00:12<exio4>how to make a iso with system?
00:12<exio4>tengo un problema con slitaz... y apt-get
00:13<exio4>pude instalar apt-get en slitaz cocking
00:13<exio4>ahora..
00:13<exio4>como hago una iso del sistema instalado?
00:13<exio4>thanks/gracias
00:14<exio4>nobody responde?
00:14<exio4>nadie responde?
00:15<exio4>me go for bed.. good bye
00:15<exio4>yo me voy a la cama
00:15<exio4>chau
00:15*exio4 goodbye
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00:28<jthill>!es
00:28<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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01:18<aset>anyone here?
01:20<aset>BLAH BLAH
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01:21<aset>yo
01:21<aset>D-fence D3stroyed ;D
01:22<D-fence>aset: What ?
01:23<aset>m a newbie here o.o
01:23<D-fence>aset: ok
01:24<aset>Are you some kinda admin or somthin?
01:24<D-fence>aset: absolutely not.
01:24<aset>How the heck is your username red?
01:25<jm_>it signifies danger, better quit soon
01:25<aset>lol
01:25<aset>oreally?
01:25<D-fence>What is your client ?
01:26-!-Judas_PhD [~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #debian
01:26<cahoot>aset do you have anything debianrelated to ask/discuss?
01:27<aset>I guess no.
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01:30<aset>So this place is just4 discussing debian shit? :/
01:30<sney>this is the official debian support channel
01:31<cahoot>certainly not a spelling support channel
01:31<sney>there are thousands of irc channels on hundreds of networks, I invite you to go check them all out
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01:33<kuarq>Hey, people. Anybody know when will be squeeze realese?
01:33<cthuluh>kuarq: see the /topic
01:34<aset>trololol
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01:35<cthuluh>aset: you're funny :)
01:35<cthuluh>aset: you have #debian-offtopic, if you like
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01:35<aset>Hmmmm... okay. I'll check >:)
01:38<aset>Can't find any XD
01:38<aset>I guess I'll stay here
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01:45<aset>OZZY OSBOURNE IS PAIRING UP WITH JUSTIN BEIBER FOR A TV ADD OMG
01:45<aset>Some one kill that girly beiber fag already >.>
01:46<cthuluh>aset: type /join #debian-offtopic
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01:48<aset_>Hey
01:49<cthuluh>aset_: did you find the discussion channel? if not, type /join #debian-offtopic
01:49<aset>Okay okay calm down.
01:50<cthuluh>well, I thought that you had a connection problem and did not see my previous post
01:51<aset>This place is better those zombie freaks wont talk XD
01:53<cthuluh>but this channel is not a chat channel :)
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01:55<aset>Okay fine lets talk about debian then XD
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01:58<aset>Okay, am quitting.
01:58<aset>Rust
01:58<aset>In
01:58<aset>Peace
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03:11<biiter>how can i change the login screen please?
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03:19<dli>biiter, in gdm? http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XFree-Local-multi-user-HOWTO/automation_login_screen.html
03:20<jm_>perhaps start by checking the documentation for your display manager
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03:23<biiter>i have gdm3, should i use gdm?
03:24<jm_>no idea, for gdm I see gdm-themes package, so maybe try with that
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03:24<biiter>ok thanks
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03:26<smv>biiter, if you have gdm3 you don't need gdm nor gdm-themes.
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03:28<smv>biiter, as root do: editor /etc/gdm3/greeter.gconf-defaults
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03:30<dgirz>ca sert a quoi
03:31<biiter>smv: superb. thanks
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03:54<ylmfos>hi
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04:30<classical>hey ppl
04:31<classical>what is a easy audio editor software ? i just want it for cuting unnecessary parts from mp3 file
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04:31<Tiff>audacity?
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04:32<classical>Tiff, does it have easy gui ?
04:33<hychen>at least , it is easy to me
04:33<Tiff>Why not go find out?
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05:26<clear>какие программы использрвать под пентиум 2? (браузеры, файловые менеджеры, и т.д.) чтобы работало быстро?
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05:30<pw>I recently installed debian. Can anyone help tell me how I can listen to the Belgian radio www.radio1.be? Should it work by default?
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05:32<petemc>pw: probably, is it flash ?
05:33<pw>petemc: I think so.
05:33<petemc>and do you have flash installed?
05:34<pw>I didn't do it. Is it not in the distributio. How can I know if I have it?
05:34<petemc>!adobe flash
05:34<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from debian-multimedia.org; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package available for squeeze and lenny-backports. Ask me about <dmm> <bdo> <non-free>. WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. See also <flash amd64>. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
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05:35<clear>what programs to use a Pentium 2? (web browsers, file managers, etc.) to run faster?
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05:36<pw>petemc: is the !adobe flash a command? (sorry for the stupid question)
05:36<petemc>did you read it?
05:37<pw>read what?
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05:37<koollman>pw: it's a command for the irc bot dpkg
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05:38<koollman>pw: so, read what dpkg wrote just after !adobe flash
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05:38<pw>sorry but what is irc bot dpkg (is some automatic info on a subject)
05:39<petemc>in this channel, dpkg is the name for a 'bot' which prints information if you address it with '!' or /msg dpkg foo
05:39<cthuluh>clear: dillo / elinks, pcmanfm / mc
05:39<petemc>is dillo still in the repos?
05:40<cthuluh>,versions dillo
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05:40<judd>Package dillo on i386 -- etch: 0.8.5-4.1
05:40<cthuluh>argh
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05:40<clear>thanks
05:42<pw>petemc: if I have in iceweasel shochwave flash listed, is it still necessary to do the Adobe Flash installation?
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05:43<clear>I realized I need to use applications from legacy systems such as etch or potato?
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05:44<petemc>pw: well, do flash websites work?
05:44<cthuluh>clear: not at all, though most browsers are huge, today
05:44<cthuluh>clear: try links2 or perhaps midori
05:45<pw>petemc: websites with changing images and so?
05:45<clear>elinks?
05:45<cthuluh>depending on how much ram you have
05:45<cthuluh>clear: a very nice text browser
05:45<petemc>pw: seriously, do you really need to ask that?
05:45<Tiff>pw: what is the filename of the Flash plugin being listed in about:plugins
05:46<cthuluh>clear: but links2 gives you graphics
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05:46<pw>petemc: sorry but I do
05:46<ayaka>I have a problem,I use squeeze RC 2,but when I compile ffmpeg,it can't find alsa,themplayer is the same,and I installed the one in report is the same,I'm sure Ihave instaled pulseaudio and alsa
05:46<petemc>pw: you really dont
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05:47<clear>how to run on links2 graphical mode?
05:47<cthuluh>ayaka: should you compile ffmpeg, or install it from the repos?*
05:47<cthuluh>clear: -g
05:47<clear>ok
05:47<ayaka>cthuluh, I tried both
05:47<ayaka>cthuluh, ./configure don't show alsa only oss
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05:49<pw>Tiff: I typed about:plugins in a browser window and get:
05:49<pw> Shockwave Flash
05:49<pw> File name: libswfdecmozilla.so
05:49<pw> Shockwave Flash 9.0 r100
05:51<clear>if links2 has supported java scripts, it would be one of the best browsers
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05:55<Tiff>pw: You are currently using an open source Flash player, not the Adobe flash plugin.
05:55<pw>Tiff: which means?
05:56<Tiff>pw: which means you may experience less compatibility with certain sites than if you'd use the Adobe Flash player
05:56<Tiff>pw: see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
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05:58<pw>Tiff: I tried to download the Adobe Flash player. It asked with which program to open it. I chosed Archive Manager (was there by default). It said that the archive type was not supported.
05:58<neex>can anyone help me understand why i'm getting "hardware is initialized using a guess method" when alsa starts?
05:58<Tiff>pw: atm you're kinda not reading both what I've linked, or other people here have told you via dpkg.
05:59<Tiff>pw: i'd suggest you stop trying things yourself and typing things here, pause for a moment and take time to read all of the information you've been provided.
06:00<neex>the correct sound driver loads, but no sound is made. for instance, mplayer will seem to play a file with no error messages
06:00<pw>Tiff: What information do you refer to. Because I read the wiki page...
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06:12<prem>pw, install flash by running "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" from terminal .. better dont try to download from their website directly
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06:19<pw>prem: I tried it but it didn't work. It says: package flash plugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
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06:21<Tiff>,versions flashplugin-nonfree
06:21<judd>Package flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3
06:21<prem>pw, make sure you are connected to contrib section also
06:23<pw>prem: is it possible to make debian work for "normal" users like me? I don't know what it means to be "connected to contrib section"... I also notice that other people here seem to give up on someone like me.
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06:26<Tiff>pw: people get frustrated trying to help someone like you because a lot of these things are common problems that end-users experience and have been solved a thousand times over before. There a lot of documentation available online to do what you're trying to do and more than one person has referred you to it. Googling something like this would have told you the correct procedure to install Flash and enable contrib in a very short amount of time.
06:26<clear>sudo apt-get install mozilla-plugin-gnash
06:26<Tiff>clear: gnash isn't a solution.
06:26<prem>pw, well debian is the easiest for all..dont give up..open Administration->software Sources-> and make sure you select "contrib" section in that
06:28<ayaka>cthuluh, I have know what is the problem,thank you
06:28<cthuluh>cool
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06:33<neex>can someone help me understand why i get no sound? i get "hardware is initialized using a guess method". the correct driver is loaded, and programs will play sounds without complaining, but no sound is made
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06:34<clear>but if you download from the official site Adobe Flash player, through the terminal
06:34<clear>sudo apt-get install gdebi gdebi-core
06:34<clear>and through an application to open gdebi Adobe_Flash_player.deb
06:34<mjt>neex: tried to raise all volumes in the mixer control utility (like alsamixer erc) ?
06:35<neex>ya, everything is maxed
06:35<mjt>is it lenny?
06:35<neex>testing
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06:37<mjt>neex: who tells that (guess method) ?
06:37<mjt>i don't see such message string in kernel sources
06:37<neex>alsa
06:37<pw>prem: I tried to follow your advice, but still have the same outcome
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06:40<jm_>pw: go to Tools -> Add-ons -> Plugins in iceweasel; what does it show?
06:41<mjt>neex: found it. apparently the kernel does not know your exact piece of hardware. there should be info about hw details near that line too (Unknown hardware: card...) - I'd suggest you either ask in #alsa or file a bugreport.
06:41<mjt>neex: with as much details as possible, obviously :)
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06:42<pw>jm: it mentions shockwave flash
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06:42<jm_>pw: which version?
06:42<spt>hai blue
06:42<jm_>pw: is this the only entry it lists?
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06:43<mjt>Shockwave Flash 9.0 r100
06:43<neex>mjt: will do
06:43<pw>jm: mjt is right thats the version
06:44<jm_>pw: what happens if you run /usr/sbin/update-flashplugin-nonfree
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06:45<pw>jm: just tipe /usr... in the console?
06:45<neex>mjt: what line did you mean
06:45<jm_>pw: as root
06:45<pw>jm: I'll try
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06:46<mjt>neex: n/m, it's not printed anyway. just something like lspci or lshw
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06:48<pw>jm: it says "no such file or directory"
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06:48<jm_>pw: did you really install flashplugin-nonfree package?
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06:49<pw>jm: no, it didn't work. prem told me to check the "contrib" thing, but it still didn't work
06:50<mjt>!contrib
06:50<dpkg>[contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compatible software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>.
06:50<mjt>the idea is that "conrib thing" is a separate part of debian distribution, which can be turned on/off separately
06:51<jm_>pw: which version of debian are you using?
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06:51<prem>pw, better you download it manually from http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/flashplugin-nonfree and install
06:51<mjt>when you turn on/off such parts, you run apt-get update (or aptitude update), to update the list of available packages, and next you install things.
06:51<jm_>maybe he forgot update yes
06:52<mjt>that's the basic stuff which is difficult to get when you see a system for the first time
06:54<pw>I must say the the dpkg info, is not understandable to me...
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06:55<mjt>even the "packages and their dependencies" thing is very difficult to understand when you come from windows for example, where software is managed differently.
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06:58<pw>prem: you suggest to download manually, but I already have been to that page. I got a "deb package" tried to open it with archive manager and it said that the archive wasn't supported. Then someone told me to do it from a console...
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06:59<mjt>you install .deb files using dpkg --install /some/where/file.deb
06:59<prem>pw, install that deb from terminal "sudo dpkg -i <full path to deb>
06:59<pw>and mjt is right: it's difficult to understand...
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07:00<pw>prem: I'll try
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07:01<babilen>pw: I know I'm late to the party, but what are you trying to install?
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07:01<mjt>by "difficult to understand" i mean the lack of a relatively small 'overview' document describing this which can be read by a beginner. The "concept" itself isn't difficult ofcourse.
07:02<mjt>babilen: the talk's about flash player
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07:02<babilen>flashplugin-nonfree?
07:02<babilen>,versions flashplugin-nonfree
07:02<pw>babilen: I'm a complete newby trying to install ... yes flash player
07:02<judd>Package flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3
07:02<babilen>pw: Are you using lenny?
07:03<pw>and mjt is right: there is a lot of information but nothing that gives un understandable overview to put a newcomer on his/her way
07:04<babilen>I found that reading the "Debian Reference" is a very good idea.
07:04<pw>babilen: yes lenny recently installed
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07:05<pw>babilen: is that a paper-book or an online document?
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07:05<babilen>pw: Ok, you can easily install a package named "flashplugin-nonfree" from backports.debian.org -- But given that you just installed Debian, I might just advocate a reinstall/upgrade to Squeeze (the next Debian release, that is expected to be released on 5./6 February)
07:05<babilen>!reference
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07:06<babilen>pw: It is an online document -- You can install it as the package "debian-reference-XX" (XX == language code, "en" for example)
07:06<babilen>,info debian-reference-en
07:06<judd>Package debian-reference-en (doc, optional) in lenny/i386: Debian system administration guide, English original. Version: 2.24; Size: 752.5k; Installed: 3448k; Homepage: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReference/
07:06<jm_>he has the .deb file already
07:07<babilen>pw: http://debian.org/doc/
07:07<babilen>jm_: From backports?
07:08<babilen>pw: I guess you are quite confused right now. :)
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07:08<jm_>babilen: probably, because it's not in lenny
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07:09<babilen>jm_: I don't know where pw downloaded the ".deb" from and which version it is.
07:10<pw>babilen: one doesn't have to be a psychologist to know that, but it kind to have some understanding!
07:10<jm_>babilen: neither do we I think :)
07:10<babilen>pw: The problem with the "flashplugin-nonfree" package is that it is not available in the Debian release you are using. (i.e. Lenny). Some packages are "backported" from a newer release to the stable release and thereby made available. This is true for "flashplugin-nonfree" as well.
07:11<ayaka>where can download the sreensave?
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07:12<babilen>pw: I recommended these "backported" versions for a long time. But the next release of Debian (named Squeeze) is imminent right now (expected for 5/6 Feburary) which changes this a bit. I would actually recommend to either upgrade to Squeeze or doing a reinstall for squeeze.
07:13<pw>babilen: and that why it is difficult? So with other things Debian can be easy??
07:13<babilen>pw: If you don't want to upgrade right now, but rather wait until Squeeze has been officially released that is fine and a good choice as well. I just wanted to explain the options to you.
07:13<babilen>pw: I don't quite understand your question. Why is *what* difficult and which other things can be easy?
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07:15<babilen>ayaka: which screensave? You can install one for Gnome by installing "gnome-screensaver" or "xscreensaver"
07:16<babilen>ayaka: Both work outside of Gnome as well.
07:16<ayaka>babilen,you know,I come from ubuntu,it's is very nice
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07:17<clear>what's the problem? can not install flash plugin non-free?
07:18<pw>babilen: I mean that maybe the "backported" thing (which I don't know what it is) makes things difficult?
07:18<ayaka>babilen, 中午好,but I want only one,not a lots of screensave
07:18<babilen>pw: If you want to install a backported package you have to enable "backports" first. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ for instructions on how to do this. You can then install "flashplugin-nonfree" by running "aptitude -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree"
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07:19<pw>prem: I tried to do the sudo installation, but it gives "dependency problems"
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07:20<babilen>pw: It does not really complicates things (flashplugin-nonfree at least) -- Backports give you access to newer software from the next Debian release. Given that the release is imminent *I* would actually use that release or upgrade to it, rather than using the backported software. I am not saying that backports is bad or anything, just that you will upgrade to Squeeze in the next year anyway and that you might just do so now.
07:21<babilen>pw: Sure it does. You typically *never* have to install packages manually with "dpkg -i name_of_the.deb" exactly because it does not handle dependencies for you.
07:21<babilen>*sigh*
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07:22<babilen>pw: This is the reason why I interrupted, because there are very few cases in which this is necessary and I just wanted to make sure that you don't make this mistake. What you can do right now is "aptitude -f install" and hope that all dependencies can be resolved.
07:22<pw>babilen: you probably are right about the upgrade, but I am just trying to make "something" work. And I thought that installing a simple plugin would be a good start for me.
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07:23<babilen>pw: yes sure, but now you just made the worsest decision you could. What was the name of the deb you installed and where is it from?
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07:23<babilen>pw: Sorry for being so blunt :)
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07:24<mjt>hmm. I've an old PIII-800MHz with 256Mb RAM laptop to be used for small photo-editing (crop, and album making) tasks. What to install to it -- winXP or debian? :)
07:24<pw>babilen: flashplugin-nonfree_2.8.3~bpo50+1_i386.deb
07:25<babilen>pw: Ok, that is at least the right .deb -- But dpkg -i does not handle dependencies. I would recommend to follow http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ now
07:25<babilen>pw: Let me know if you have problems with any of these steps
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07:25<babilen>pw: Well, it is essentially just one step -- Add "eb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list
07:26<pw>babilen: I'll do my best, thanks for your kind help!
07:26<babilen>pw: "deb http://backports ...."
07:26<babilen>pw: Make sure you have "contrib non-free" in the end
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07:28<babilen>pw: Run "aptitude update" (or "apt-get update") after you've added that line. You can then run "aptitude -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree" which should download and install the Adobe flash plugin.
07:28<ladoga>mjt: it depends what YOU want to install
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07:29<mjt>ladoga: actually it depends on a different thing - which one will handle the stuff better having in mind limited resources.
07:29<babilen>mjt: Debian, no gnome/kde but lxde or one of the lighter window manager (fluxbox, awesomewm, wmii, ...)
07:29<ladoga>mjt: if you ask at debian support channel then probably everyone will answer debian :)
07:29<babilen>ladoga: surprise!
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07:30<mjt>i'll just try both.
07:30<ladoga>mjt: but yes, i've ran debian on lot slower systems
07:31<mjt>well, just one apt-get update run on such system takes ages to _initialize_, while winXP automatic update works quite well.
07:31<babilen>pw: Let me know when you have problems -- I would also make sure that you make the changes (i.e. pinning) to /etc/apt/preferences
07:31<ladoga>mjt: 800MHz is whopping fast
07:32<mjt>maybe i've seen it with lots of repositories enabled in sources.list.
07:32<ladoga>mjt: i haven't noticed...updates only depend on network speed, not cpu oomph
07:32<mjt>i mean the cache load/rebuild
07:32<mjt>apt-get install foo - first stage of it
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07:32<mjt>but ok, it's not a valid point, since the task is not to install stuff but to use stuff ;)
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07:32<jm_>that can be painful even on fast CPU-s, but I think the version in squeeze is faster
07:32<babilen>pw: One thing I would like to note: You typically get new versions (security update) of Debian packages when you run "aptitude update" and "aptitude safe-upgrade" -- This is, however, not true for flashplugin-nonfree, because that package just downloads the newest available version from Adobe. I would therefore run "aptitude -t lenny-backports reinstall flashplugin-nonfree" every now and then, to make sure that you have the newest version ...
07:33<babilen>... from Adobe.
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07:33<ladoga>mjt: i think what you might try is to install bare minimum with debian installer and build from that up (ie. leave all checkboxes unchecked)
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07:34<ladoga>mjt: then just install X and whatever light window manager you want to use
07:34<babilen>mjt: yeah, install a minimal system and take it from there. You might want to install the "standard" task though, but that is also not absolutely necessary.
07:35<pw>babilen: You're going fast, babilen. I'm already stuck with the instruction "Add this line
07:35<pw>deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main
07:35<pw>to your sources.list"
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07:35*ladoga using fluxbox right now for laptop used for photo editing
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07:36<babilen>pw: hehe :)
07:36<babilen>pw: What is your problem with that?
07:37<pw>babilen: Well difficult to tell. I just don't know what this sources.list is. Is it a textfile?
07:37<petemc>if only there was some way to search for things on the internet!
07:38<ladoga>mjt: if you need to manipulate raw images ufraw is great, after setting whitebalances and whatever you can then forward image to gimp (well that's my workflow anyway)
07:38<ladoga>mjt: most of time this box runs at 600MHz clock speed (but has 1,5GB RAM)
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07:39<babilen>pw: The file is /etc/apt/sources.list and it is indeed a textfile. You have to be root to be allowed to edit it. So you have to become root ("su") and edit the file. There are a bunch of text editors you could use for that. You want to learn "vim" or "emacs" eventually but that is not necessary right now. You could edit it (hopfully) by issuing "gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" as root or by using "nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list" (if the first is ...
07:39<babilen>... not working)
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07:40<babilen>pw: Please excuse my typos.
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07:41<babilen>pw: You "sources.list" defines from which repositories or sources you can install software. If you could paste your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net I could make the necessary changes.
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07:43<babilen>pw: So the plan is to: 1. Become root with "su" (enter root password) 2. Edit file with "gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" or "nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list" 3. Let me have a look, paste it to http://paste.debian.net 4. Make changes 5. Make changes to /etc/apt/preferences (i.e. pinning) 6. "aptitude update" 7. ??? 8. PROFIT!
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07:44<babilen>pw: Or rather: 7. "aptitude -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree" -- I'll be away for a second, but there are other fine people in here, so good luck :)
07:44<pw>babilen: I' going to try
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07:45<babilen>pw: No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try.
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07:45<pw>babilen: leaving me just now that I took some courage again
07:46<babilen>pw: I'll be around ... I just need some coffee and stuff, so don't expect any replies in 5 seconds :)
07:46<pw>babilen: you deserve a good cup!
07:47<daemonkeeper>You don't know yet. He could have told you to destroy your system ;)
07:47<daemonkeeper>(He hasn't)
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08:02<pw>babilen: I've added the backports to the source list
08:03<babilen>pw: Hooray! May I have a look at your sources.list ? ("cat /etc/apt/sources.list → http://paste.debian.net)
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08:04<pw>babilen: is this a command I should type in a console?
08:04<pw>babilen: what is het arrow?
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08:04<babilen>pw: You could type "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" and paste the result to http://paste.debian.net
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08:05<babilen>pw: The arrow is, well, an arrow ... I just meant: take output of "bla blub bar" and paste it to "http...."
08:05<babilen>pw: And I forgot the second " :)
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08:08<pw>babilen: I don't know how to paste from the console window (where I did the cat command) to the website you mention
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08:08<babilen>pw: Can't you copy and paste it? For example: Select text with mouse, open browser, paste with middle-mouse-button ?
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08:10<pw>babilen: I press ctr-alt-f1 to go to a console window, and then my mouse does not work. I understand that there has to be a different way to do this things
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08:11<babilen>pw: Ah! I thought you are working in a graphical environment :)
08:11<babilen>pw: don't you use Gnome or something like that?
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08:11<ananth123>pw: have you install gpm ?
08:11<pw>babilen: yes I do but I'm switching the whole time
08:12<ananth123>the console mouse driver...
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08:12<babilen>ananth123: no and it is not relevant -- i suspect that pw is unaware of the fact that you can open a "console" in a graphical environment as well
08:12<pw>babilen: correct suspision!!!
08:12<Unmensch>hi, is there an inofficial deb for the latest fglrx?
08:12<ananth123>ok :)
08:12<babilen>pw: Just open "gnome-terminal" (it must be in the menu somewhere) or just do ALT-F2 → gnome-terminal
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08:13<babilen>pw: I don't have gnome here right now, but you should be able to launch a terminal/console in gnome also. You can also right click on it in the menu in order to add it to the "panel" ...
08:14<babilen>pw: So you can work with the command line from within X/Gnome :)
08:14<ananth123>pw: what do you do in console mode ?
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08:14<pw>babilen: I opened the terminal in x/gnome!!!!! (feels like I accomplished something important)
08:14<babilen>yay!
08:14<ananth123>congrats :)
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08:16<jm_>Unmensch: which is the lastest release?
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08:16<babilen>Unmensch: And I doubt that we know about unofficial sources -- ask #fglrx (freenode?) about that. Which version do you want/need/crave for?
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08:17<Unmensch>jm_: it's 11.1 released two days ago
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08:18<pw>babilen: I've tried to paste it to the pastezone, so you should be able to see it?
08:18<babilen>jm_: I doubt that it has been packaged for Debian yet and I am not aware of any "unofficial" packages. Ask upstream! Do you really need it?
08:18<Unmensch>tha latest in debian is from september 2010, babilen: o0kay, I'll ask there
08:18<babilen>pw: I need the URL as well :)
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08:19<jm_>Unmensch: it's available in experimental
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08:19<pw>babilen: http://paste.debian.net/105928/
08:19<Unmensch>ah okay, I'm on unstable
08:19<babilen>pw: thanks
08:19<jm_>should be able to pull it from there
08:19<Unmensch>I'll try to get it from there then, thanks
08:20<jm_>babilen: shame on you for doubting the great debian
08:20<user_> paste.debian.net/105892
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08:20<user_>opps aehm, can someone help me with this...?
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08:21<jm_>user_: did you check BTS for this package?
08:21<user_>jm_: what is bts ?
08:21<jm_>!bts
08:21<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS
08:22<user_>...not yet, but thx.
08:22<babilen>jm_: software that was released 2 days ago has already been packaged?
08:23<user_>but i think its abroken package.
08:23<jm_>babilen: looks like it, changelog says it was uploaded on 26. 1.
08:24<jm_>or packaged
08:25<Tiff>Stuff is generally packages fast in experimental branch.
08:25<Tiff>That's kinda its purpose.
08:26<babilen>pw: Ok, I made a few changes. See http://paste.debian.net/105930/
08:27<babilen>pw: You don't need the CDs anymore and security/volatile was commented for some reasons. I also activated "non-free" and "contrib" everywhere -- Make sure your /etc/apt/sources.list looks like my example and run "aptitude update"
08:27<Tiff>I see no reason a typical desktop user would need the deb-src entries or the entries for the volatile branch in that sources.list.
08:28<babilen>Tiff: Agreed, but it doesn't hurt and you have one step less to perform if you need it.
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08:28<pw>babilen: so the message is to copy-paste it to my file?
08:29<babilen>pw: Yes (and remove the former content)
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08:31<babilen>pw: You could simplify that further to: http://paste.debian.net/105931/ (not strictly necessary though)
08:31<babilen>pw: run "aptitude update" afterwards to activate your changes.
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08:32<pw>babilen: I'm on my way. You told that I don't need the CD's anymore. This meant that the line starting with deb cdrom can be deleted, yes?
08:32<dacqueries>morning...need help with mda not creating tickets in RT3.6. No errors but not action either
08:32<user_>babilen:or uncomment with #
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08:33<ananth123>pw: yes
08:33<babilen>pw: Yes -- basically: Make sure that your sources.list looks *exactly* like on of the two pastes I gave you
08:33<user_>dpkg:im sure its no bug also im running lenny and no experimental.
08:33<dpkg>user_: I don't know, could you explain it?
08:33<babilen>s/on/one
08:33<pw>babilen: which one to choose? The second?
08:34<babilen>pw: Second is fine -- The other enables a bit more, but you won't necessarily need that. (access to source packages and volatile)
08:34<babilen>pw: Keep it simple :)
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08:36<user_>dpkg: when you look at paste.debian.net/105892, i need to know where to search btw its no bug.
08:36<dpkg>user_: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
08:36<user_>^^
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08:37<jm_>user_: it told you: http://bugs.debian.org/packagename, so http://bugs.debian.org/mozilla-bonobo
08:38<pw>babilen: it's done
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08:38<jm_>user_: note how it says the package has been removed
08:38<babilen>pw: Great! Run "aptitude update" now :)
08:38<pw>babilen: his already working
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08:39<babilen>pw: It will probably find a few packages to update. You can install these updates by executing "aptitude safe-upgrade" and (finally) install your flashplugin-nonfree with "aptitude -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree"
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08:41<user_>dpkg: as i said not experimental neither unstable and zero bugs
08:41<dpkg>user_: I give up, what is it?
08:41<babilen>user_: dpkg is a bot
08:41<babilen>dpkg: bot
08:41<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
08:41<user_>babilen lo ^^
08:42<user_>:dpkg hello
08:42<pw>babilen: it ends with: Reading package lists... Done Current status: 665 new [+379]. Does this mean that he wants to update 665 packages??
08:42<user_>dpkg: hello
08:42<dpkg>hola, user_
08:43<user_>dpkg: can u fix my computer ?
08:43<dpkg>user_: are you smoking crack?
08:43<babilen>pw: No, just that the tools knows about 665 additional packages (probably from backports)
08:43<babilen>user_: Please stop it.
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08:43<user_>dpkg:only herbs
08:43<dpkg>user_: no idea
08:43<user_>dpkg:too bad.
08:43<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, user_
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08:43<babilen>user_: Stop it!
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08:43<pw>babilen: so I can imediately try to install the flashplugin?
08:43<user_>sry
08:44<babilen>pw: yes :)
08:44<user_>dpkg: what are you suposed to do ?
08:44<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, user_
08:45<agentc>sipwaveplayer is under construct partly it runs
08:45<babilen>user_: Please do not abuse the bot. It makes it quite hard to follow the conversations in here.
08:45<babilen>agentc: understand your sense i do not!
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08:46<user_>babilen:sry but i do not "abuse" the bot.
08:46<Tiff>user_: if you have a question just ask it here, otherwise you're just creating spam.
08:47<user_>right, i have this issue with a broken pakage, mozilla-bonobo and heres the link:paste.debian.net/105892
08:48<Tiff>Sorry to hear that.
08:48<agentc>i m with a handyclient in city
08:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 490] by debhelper
08:49<ayaka>a tool which make a u disk into usb-cdrom,a real cdrom(usb remveable cdrom ),even in linux,freebsd,BIOS,M$ what is it english name?
08:50<user_>tiff:thx but that wont help me now ;)
08:50<agentc>too crazy until later
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08:50<babilen>user_: Add "set -x" after the shebang line in /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-bonobo.postinst and reinstall / execute the script manually
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08:51<babilen>user_: And what have you done" this does not typically happen with stable packages. There must be something you have done in the past that causes this error.
08:52<user_>babilen: accidently uninstalled some packages after update/upgrade
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08:52<babilen>user_: That shouldn't cause such an error as well. How did you uninstall them?
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08:53<ayaka>how can use this as root open in nautilus?
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08:53<user_>babilen: with aptitude upgrade
08:53<babilen>user_: That wouldn't remove packages
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08:54<user_>babilen: i have the the list which packages are uninstalled and which i have installed again
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08:55<user_>babilen:anyways whats the set -x for ?
08:57<pw>babilen: I've tried to install the flashplayer. I've always answered yes. So it should work?
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08:58<user_>babilen: do you mean instaed of the set -e ?
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08:58<babilen>pw: where did you answer yes? may I have a look?
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08:58<jm_>user_: no
08:58<babilen>user_: no, no instead
08:59<babilen>*not instead
08:59<user_>kk
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09:02<pw>babilen: http://paste.debian.net/105932/
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09:02<pw>The radiostation I wanted to try still doesn't work.
09:03<babilen>pw: Uh oh
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09:04<pw>babilen: what did I do wrong??
09:04<babilen>pw: You should learn to look at the output of some of the tools you are using. There are clearly a few things that scream *error* *ERROR* in there :)
09:05<babilen>pw: I am not sure what you did wrong, but you are trying to contact the server via ipv6 which fails ... I wonder why it is not using ipv4 though
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09:05<babilen>pw: Am i talking gibberish?
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09:06<pw>babilen: If gibberish means that it sounds like chinese, then you are: even the word gibberish is gibberish to me in that case
09:07<dli>pw, I'm chinese :(
09:08<pw>dli: and also gibberish?
09:08<babilen>pw: What is your native language?
09:08<pw>dutch
09:08<dli>pw, just wondering how we got involved here :(
09:08<babilen>pw: and I could talk chinese or german if you prefer that. (we would have to go to a different channel though)
09:09<user_>babilen: only says + set -e and 15:07 < dli> pw, I'm chinese :(
09:09<user_>15:07 < pw> dli: and also gibberish?
09:09<user_>15:08 < babilen> pw: What is your native language?
09:09<user_>15:08 < pw> dutch
09:09<user_>15:08 < dli> pw, just wondering how we got involved here :( [15:08] [user_(+i)] [2:debian/#debian(+clnt)]
09:09-!-user_ was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
09:09<babilen>*sigh*
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09:09<pw>babilen: by chinese, I mean something ununderstandable, so please, no chinese for me
09:09<dli>yes, this is #debian, so nothing but debian
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09:10<babilen>pw: Yeah, I was aware of that ... Give me a second.
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09:14<corvus_corax>babilen: ...anyways, it only get the output" + set -e and + '[' '' = configure ']' " when im execute the script.
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09:16<babilen>pw: Could you paste the output of "ip route" "cat /etc/network/interfaces" and "ifconfig -a" please?
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09:19<mjt>babilen: (re minimal linux or winXP on a low-end laptop) even my own desktop system has minimal components (i use lxde for example), and I never really installed any "task" in installer (and used installer about only once some 10 years ago - i usually use debootstrap for installation)
09:19<javi7>javiiiç
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09:20<pw>babilen: Here it is: http://paste.debian.net/105935/
09:21<sret>had a question about ddos mitigation using iptables
09:21<sret>does this help in blocking a ddos attack on a home machine if i used iptables, tcpdump and posisbly snort
09:21<babilen>pw: Somehow you are using IPv6, which causes your troubles. I am off for lunch now. But you might want to disable ipv6 -- not sure what causes this bug thoug
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09:21<babilen>!noipv6
09:21<dpkg>To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
09:21<babilen>pw: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6
09:21<sret>i mean ddos atacks not on a large scale, but more like reasonable kiddiot ddos attacks
09:22<babilen>pw: You could also hop over to #debian on irc.freenode.net if nobody can help you here. Good luck and until later
09:22<pw>Thanks a lot for you patience
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09:23<corvus_corax>babilen: sry dint ment to spam, im working here without X and its a bit tricky...
09:24<pw>babilen: the dpkg explanation is "gibberish" to me, but maybe I find some understandable info somewhere else
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09:26<ayaka> /msg dpkg paste
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09:27<ayaka>babilen, hey,have time,some need you translate
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09:27<corvus_corax>can anyone help me with this brocken package ? paste.debian.net/105892
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09:28<user01>hi everyone . . . before I announce a Super Debian Installfest on Superbowl Sunday, is there a guaranteed time when Debian 6 would be ready to go?
09:28<user01>I just need a little time to create media for the installfest
09:28<user01>and download
09:29<corvus_corax>user01: its done when its done.
09:29<@Ganneff>no guaranteed time.
09:29<user01>user01: nah you cant say that now, you posted dates :)
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09:29<corvus_corax>not me ^^
09:29<ayaka>corvus_corax, may try dpkg --configure -a
09:30<user01>well maybe on saturday ill just get the most recent testing image then
09:30<user01>and make sure everyone puts "squeeze" in the repos
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09:30<corvus_corax>ayaka: tried but its the same error message.
09:33<corvus_corax>ayaka: same with aptiude install and dpkg -i(with downloadet package)
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09:34<ayaka>corvus_corax, I'm sorry,this pack not in my repot,so I don't how,may I can google a while
09:34<user01>it would just be really awesome because i can get a room at a pub at 3pm and then the superbowl party starts at 5:30pm so i could have a great installfest . . . if its done by Feb 6
09:35<ayaka>corvus_corax, oh,it's a plugs for pdf?
09:35<corvus_corax>ayaka: aehm y but i have to tell you that i broke it accidently with an aptitude upgrade. so its no bug or experimental.
09:36<ayaka>corvus_corax, ok,enjoy it
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09:37<corvus_corax>ayaka: when i start aptitude and take a look at mozilla-bonobo i see that there is a package called gpdf is missing.
09:38<corvus_corax>ayaka: gpdf (UnAVAILABLE)
09:38<ayaka>corvus_corax, mozilla-bonobo need gpdf
09:38<Tiff>gpdf is just a suggested package, not recommend
09:39<corvus_corax>ayaka: for iceweaswl, konqueror, ...
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09:41<ayaka>corvus_corax, I have no idea,I'm sorry
09:41<corvus_corax>tiff: ok, but i think its getting a bit deeper because i get error message when starting gnome.cannot start pannel because of bonobo activation server (error code 3) and nautilus too but i only can find the mozilla-bonobo package brocken.
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09:42<corvus_corax>ayaka: np, thx.
09:42<sret>anyone about my question?
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09:44<corvus_corax>maybe i only reinstall lenny and stop solving this one...
09:44<ayaka>sret, I think it is yes
09:44<corvus_corax>but thank u guys.
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09:45<fossiiil>Do you know Cebian?
09:45<ayaka>srbaker, but snort is not for this
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09:46<fossiiil>It's Debian with all sources rewritten from scratch to pure C
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09:46<sret>ayaka: i didnt get you
09:46<sret>ayaka: you mean that should be good to block a small scale ddos attack?
09:47<ayaka>sret, yes
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09:47<Tiff>corvus_corax: how did you attempt to install it in the first instance?
09:48<sret>ayaka: ok sweet
09:48<corvus_corax>tiff:what do you mean, debian ?
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09:48<ayaka>sret, if you want advance,you can use m0n0wall(a OS)
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09:48<Tiff>via apt? aptitude? downloading it and dpkg -i? etc.
09:49<fossiiil>small scale dos attack, something like six highschool lamers using CS computers?
09:49<ayaka>sret, it can use as firewall
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09:49<corvus_corax>tiff:you mean after this happen, y both ways aptitude and also with dpk -i after downloding the package
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09:50<sret>what i dont understand is how can that block small scale ddos attacks because the resource is between my isp and my computer, i could have my firewall block stuff but i would still be lagging because the bandwidth is from the ISP
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09:50<sret>isnt it
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09:51<sret>the resource consumed is my bandwidth, not my computer
09:51<corvus_corax>Tiff:i also dont understnd why aptitude upgrade even want to deinstall abou [30] packages a week ago ^^
09:51<Tiff>are you using lenny? squeeze? what?
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09:52<corvus_corax>Tiff: lenny
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09:53<Tiff>also you shouldn't really blindy accept any package management tool attempting to remove packages unless you know what it's attempting to do fully
09:53<corvus_corax>Tiff: yah i know, but the finger already agreed with thy Y ...-.-
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09:54<corvus_corax>Tiff: but im glad to have a working lenny usually )
09:55<ayaka>sret, but bandwidth is up and down to virual ine
09:55<ayaka>sret, but bandwidth is up and down to virtual line
09:55<sret>huh?
09:55<sret>erm
09:55<corvus_corax>Tiff: btw its working now, but only without gnome
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09:56<corvus_corax>Tiff: had box too but cannot use icweasel or epiphany either
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09:57<ayaka>sret, ddos on attect your up line and ddos main to your computer effect,not bandwidth
09:58<sret>i dont understand you, sorry
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09:59<clear>how to install the video driver on debian lenny 5.0.8 kde? Somehow, in this version (5.0.8) in the repositories is no nvidia-glx
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10:00<deep3959>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
10:01<deep3959>refer the above link.
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10:02<phoebe>ola
10:02<phoebe>hablame
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10:06<ayaka>sret, I'm sorry,I'm not native speaker,please see ddos in wikipedia
10:06<sret>ok np
10:06<clear>where are the sources of kde 3.5 applications (the application itself, not sources.list)
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10:07<ayaka>sret, ddos is aimed at make big effect on you OS,not bandwidth,you OS lost time in ddos package
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10:09<clear>I apologize for my English, I'm from Russia)
10:10<clear>if I do not understand written
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10:10<dli>clear, can you do deb-src?
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10:11<dli>clear, then, apt-get source foo
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10:20<babilen>AgentC: Please keep it in the channel
10:22<babilen>!tell AgentC about private
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10:23<AgentC>babilen: sorry, i agree, but that would be offtopic and i didnt wanted help in that case, just to tell you, but no secret.
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10:24<babilen>AgentC: Then ask in a channel in which this is on-topic.
10:25<AgentC>babilen: what would be intresst in me a forum or a chat for developement in case of netprogramming. have several probs with stun, sdp, oRTP and so on ...
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10:26<babilen>##networking on freenode has been mentioned to you earlier IIRC. -- They might know other channels appropriate channels too.
10:26<AgentC>btw: mediastreamer2 is really powerfull lib, i think was much work the programmers. a little bit difficult to understand, but i like it in case of multimedia-streaming.
10:27<AgentC>irc.freenode.net? right?
10:27<babilen>yes
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11:00<clear>поставил видео драйвер nvidia 173.14.28, после этого перестала переключаться раскладка клавиатуры. Приходится мышкой тыкать на значок раскладки в трее
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11:00<babilen>!ru
11:00<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
11:00<clear>put the video driver nvidia 173.14.28, then stopped to switch keyboard layout. Necessary to stick to the mouse icon in the tray layout
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11:01<martita>hola
11:01<martita>hoooola
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11:01<amphi>!es
11:01<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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11:02<Anele>hola
11:02<Anele>hola
11:02<Anele>que tal
11:03<Anele>hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
11:03<babilen>!es-social Anele
11:03<dpkg>Anele: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
11:03<amphi>!es
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11:08<zumbi_>!beer all
11:08*dpkg pulls out a tasty Delirium Tremens for all
11:08<cahoot>I wonder if dpkg ever tasted that 'beer'
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11:09<zumbi_>next week maybe.. ;)
11:09<cahoot>tastes more like vodka than beer
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11:10<zumbi_>that depends on your understanding of what beer tastes like (i.e. it is not the same the IPA UK beer taste vs Larger spanish beer taste)
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11:14*babilen hands everyone a cold bottle of Budweiser Budvar (the czech one not the US abomination) ... cheers
11:14<sney>too early for beer, I haven't even left the house yet
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11:15<zumbi_>!release party
11:15<dpkg>i guess release party is a Debian Event for celebrating Debian release. See http://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartySqueeze/ for a list of cities organizing one.
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11:39<SynrG>supposing i wanted to give multiple users consistent file paths for remote filesystems mounted via pam-mount, e.g. /disk1/blahblah where /disk1 for user1 is that remote disk mounted with that user's credentials, and /disk1 for user2 is the same disk, only mounted with their credentials. how would i do that?
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11:40<SynrG>or is this just insane? :)
11:41<SynrG>i.e. i want to mimic per-user drive mappings on a windows multiuser system on debian. so the drive path on windows might be f:/blahblah and on debian, /f/blahblah
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11:41<user01>is there an official page to post installfests?
11:41<user01>nm
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11:42<weedeater64>apt-cache search wordpress
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11:43<weedeater64>gives Conflicts: mysql-server (<< 4.0.20-8)
11:43<weedeater64> dpkg --get-selections |grep mysql-server
11:43<dpkg>weedeater64: I don't know, could you explain it?
11:44<weedeater64>mysql-server install
11:44<weedeater64>mysql-server-5.0 install
11:44<weedeater64>I'm getting to it
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11:45<weedeater64>Does the conflict comment refer specifically to version mysql-server (<< 4.0.20-8)
11:46<weedeater64>Or is it mysql-server all versions?
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11:48<weedeater64>dpkg, Can I install wordpress, with my existing mysql-server?
11:48<dpkg>no idea, weedeater64
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11:49<koollman>weedeater64: yes, you can
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11:51<weedeater64>koollman, So the conflicts line, does refer specifically to the 4.0.20-8 mysql-server ?
11:51<koollman>weedeater64: specifically, to any server older than this one
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11:52<weedeater64>OK, thanks
11:52<koollman>fortunately, mysql4 is so old that you should never ever install it, ever :)
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11:52<infinity>hi all
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11:52<infinity>can any one suggest me how can i package a windows application for linux simmilar to picasa package by google i.e. to be executed in wine
11:54<weedeater64>koollman, the << bit , shorthand for older than?
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12:12<cd_>Hi guys! In anyone of you using darkstat? Just installed it, and the "/etc/init.d/darkstat" script seems to have some kinda bugs: it doesn't start the daemon. However, it function properly if started with "darkstat -i eth1 -p 666". Thanks.
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12:16<daemonkeeper>I don't know "dartstat", but maybe it is disabled to start it automatically through /etc/default
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12:20<smv>or any other related .conf
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12:23<infinity>hi guys, can any one suggest me how to create a deb package for windows applications to create a wine executables setup just like picasa installer by google
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12:26<daemonkeeper>You want to package an installer?
12:26<daemonkeeper>(Don't know about Google)
12:28<retrospectacus>picasa is a windows program, it's distributed as a deb and somehow includes wine
12:28<retrospectacus>that's what he's trying to do I guess
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12:29<daemonkeeper>That sounds like a particular bad idea. Probably one might depend on wine and ship appropriate binaries and configuration for wine along.
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12:30<daemonkeeper>I hope you don't plan to do such a thing to be distributed by Debian. However, for general packagaing questions, ask in #debian-mentors.
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12:30<infinity>@retrospectacus, you are right
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12:30<infinity>i have some softwares which are for windows only
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12:31<infinity>i need them to be working in linux
12:31<infinity>no plans to get them in official repository
12:31<infinity>i will setup my own repo
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12:35<infinity>can any one hlep me on this
12:35<sret>guuys whats a way to check for viruses, root kits, etc on debian
12:35<sret>what's the equivalent of an AV kit in windows for linux?
12:36<infinity>try clamav
12:36<sret>ok anything else i can lookout for ?
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12:36<retrospectacus>sret did you try aptitude search antivirus ?
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12:38<sret>retrospectacus: yeah there's clamav mentioned
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12:38<infinity>besides clamav you can find linux based antivirus solutions online also
12:38<sret>!chrootkit
12:38<sret>inifi think i'll go with clamav for now it's in the deb repors
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12:39<infinity>@sret that's best
12:39<sret>what about chkrootkit?
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12:39<jhutchins_lt>avg has a linux version that, unlike clam, actually works.
12:40<sret>would i need to have chkrootkit too?
12:40<jhutchins_lt>chkrootkit, rkhunter, tripwire, all good things.
12:40<sret>clam doesnt work?just need something that works best for debian
12:41<jhutchins_lt>clam frequently misses windows viruses and won't clean some that it can find.
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12:41<sret>im not using windows on this machine
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12:42<paggas>!Poledra George Orwell - Animal Farm.txt ::INFO:: 183.87 KiB
12:43<jhutchins_lt>sret: In that case you don't want to put much resource into AV.
12:43<sret>jhutchins_lt: ah ok then clamav should be more than enough?
12:43<jhutchins_lt>sret: I need it on my server because it serves windows boxes on the net.
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12:43<jhutchins_lt>sret: avg still gets better grades, but isn't "free".
12:44<sret>my debian obx is a stand alone machine, i made up my mind at first not to have a dual boot system, pointless
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12:44<jhutchins_lt>sret: What access do viruses have? Email?
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12:45<sret>jhutchins_lt: i use evolution, thats about it, but i dont know how linux deals with viruses, from what i've heard there aren't great many stories to tell about linux and being affected by virus which is why i asked if there's one apparently ther'es clamav:P
12:45<jhutchins_lt>sret: I'd do some research on linux viruses and see what kind of vectors they use. I think an IDS is probably a better use of resources.
12:45<sret>jhutchins_lt: what about installing chkrootkits?
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12:46<sret>i've got shorewall installed, havent checked on an IDS for linux yet
12:46<jhutchins_lt>clamav annoys me by being represented as effective antivirus software when it's clearly NOT. There's no point in running AV that has known misses and invulnerabilities.
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12:46<jhutchins_lt>sret: Yeah, chkrootkit and rkhunter are a good idea just to be sure, tripwire is a LOT more thorough but requires more setup.
12:47<jhutchins_lt>Frankly for a private server or a desktop, a good external firewall is all you really need.
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12:48<sret>jhutchins_lt: ok
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12:49<sret>ok tripwire it is
12:49<sret>btw all these sites debianhelp, debianadmin, are part of debian.net or just random sites?
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12:51<weedeater64>I don't know much about it, but I seem to recall reading, that dealing with virus' ala rkhunter,... begins with a known clean system, using it after the fact is less than desirable.
12:51<sret>clamav just gave me a OK for everything, guess its alright
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12:56<mc68040>sret: im currently evaluating samhain/tiger
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12:57<weedeater64>sret, have you been to the http://tldp.org/ there is also, http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz
12:58<sret>mc68040: let me know what your results are
12:58<sret>weedeater64: yeah its like a bible
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12:58<bremner>I have a PDF with little yellow pop-up stickies. Is there anyway to extract/print/do-anything-useful with the sticky-notes?
12:58<sret>the debian admin site is a litle more concise and not overly bloated
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13:01<weedeater64>Am I understanding what drupal6 is? Can I view it as a front end to my lamp?
13:01<mc68040>sret: currently im running samhain on my sid desktop system, working good, only had to add some rules regarding /etc/cups
13:03<mc68040>sret: ill install samhain next week on some servers and testing some advanced features like signed database and config files...
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13:06<retrospectacus>bremner: screenshot?
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13:07<bremner>I have to hover over them in evince to read the text.
13:07<sret>mc68040: ok
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13:08<sret>this is wierd i was installing tripwire and midway it asked me to setup a passphrase for my local key site and i did
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13:08<sret>installation complete and i tried to do a /usr/sbin/tripwire --init, it asked for my local passphrase, i typed and i get incorrect passphrase...
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13:10<retrospectacus>bremner, I see, well you can still get that with a screenshot. The command line tool scrot works well. You could also try opening the pdf with the Gimp and see if the stickys appear in some useful fashion
13:10<mc68040>sret: what kind of box you want to harden/monitor?
13:10<bremner>retrospectacus: one screenshot per popup?
13:10<sret>mc68040: just my local debian box
13:11<sret>it just wont accept my passphrase wtf
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13:11<jhutchins_lt>sret: Suggest you start with the docs - /usr/share/doc/tripwire*. It's NOT a point and click app.
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13:12<retrospectacus>bremner, yes
13:12<sret>jhutchins_lt: im in the terminal, during installaing it asked me ot set the passphrase for which i did and now it says it's incorrect?
13:12<sret>thats pretty messed up
13:13<jhutchins_lt>sret: Possibly those are two different passwords, one for a key or keyring and another for login.
13:13<weedeater64>sret, you had to enter it twice, when setting it?
13:13<jhutchins_lt>Debian has a tendency to try to configure everything for you, but sometimes that gives a false sense of simplicity.
13:14<mc68040>sret: i only have to secure some servers PCI DSS compliant
13:14<sret>weedeater64: yes
13:15<sret>for both i gve the same passphrase
13:16<weedeater64>Reason I ask, if they had not matched, probably would have gotten a message
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13:16<weedeater64>Caps lock or something?
13:17<sret>it matched and the installation was complete
13:17<sret>tried both with caps on and off how do i reset the passphrase
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13:19<weedeater64>I don't know, maybe check man page.
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13:21<sret>there is /etc/tripwire/site.key and local-key
13:21<sret>but i cant seem to open it without proper encoding, any idea what encoding i need?
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13:25<weedeater64>sret, did you have to set two separate passwords ? http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/articles/Jeremys_Magazine_Articles/Maintaining_Integrity_with_Tripwire
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13:25<sret>ok that wont help, i opeened it in vim and its all mumbo jambo, like encrypted
13:26<sret>yeah two passwords
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13:27<sret>weedeater64: doestnt say about resetting the passphrase
13:29<weedeater64>Maybe something about logging into safe mode as root and fixing, I don't know how, but I've seen references similar.
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13:29<weedeater64>Not specifically to tripwire though.
13:30<sret>thats pretty fucking weird, 2 mins ago i set the pass[hrase why in the hell would it give me incorrect passphrase its not like i forgot
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13:32<weedeater64>I don't know, similar things ever happened to me, it was always my error.
13:32<sret>ok i regeneate the keys
13:32<sret>done
13:32<weedeater64>Never used tripwire.
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13:49<jhutchins_lt>sret: Did you read anything prior to installing it, or did you just rip off apt-get install tripwire?
13:49<jhutchins_lt>sret: lenny?
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13:50<r0ger>i'm going to be reinstalling the operating system on one machine and setting up backup services on another temporarily. can i use iptables to route people to the other ip (diff. machine) since dns wont have time to resolve for everyone or will that disconnect them when the firewall drops on shutdown? is there another better solution to my problem?
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13:50<sret>jhutchins_lt: yeah from apt-get
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13:50<sret>this is weird it accpeted my local passphrase which is enter
13:50<sret>lol
13:50<sret>friggin weird man
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13:50<jhutchins_lt>sret: May I again recommend that you find and read a tripwire setup guide then?
13:51<sret>jhutchins_lt: i did
13:51<jhutchins_lt>sret: I mean, this kind of thing is often as simple as reading README.Debian.
13:51<sret>ok the database was successfully generated
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13:51<sret>jhutchins_lt: one thing though i read that warnings were just because of how the policy is set, is this usual?
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13:52<jhutchins_lt>sret: I last set up tripwire probably more than five years ago on RedHat.
13:53<jhutchins_lt>Warnings are always worth paying close attention to.
13:53<sret>jhutchins_lt: yes i did, it generated a twd database
13:53<sret>in /var/lib/tripwire/sret.twd
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13:54<jhutchins_lt>You said it asked for a key password - that suggests that the password is for the ssl keys, not for logging in to the web page.
13:54<jhutchins_lt>I would expect the web page to either use pam or to have something in config.php.include (or whatever).
13:54<zlatan>hi...I have kernel for 486 and 686...486 a old PC-my question is in what category does get mine-DualCore Intel 2.7,DDR2 1GB and 512 DDR Nvidia GeForce
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13:55<jhutchins_lt>zlatan: You should be able to run either the i686 or amd64 kernel.
13:56<zlatan>jhutchins_lt:thanks-I know for sure that mine is 32bit so no amd64 but i686 is enough good information for me
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13:57<dli>zlatan, 686 is very old as well :( I would be surprised to see anyone really running older than 686
13:58<sret>jhutchins_lt: what webpage?
13:58<bartm>dli, I intend to install squeeze on an old 586 :)
13:58<jhutchins_lt>sret: What are you trying to "log in" to?
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13:58<zlatan>dli:hm...so you think I can run 64 bit squeeze...I really do doubt that... Can I at least for now erase 486 kernel
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13:59<jhutchins_lt>zlatan: Cat /proc/cpuinfo and see what you've got.
13:59<sret>jhutchins_lt: it was asking for a local phassphrase, and just purely hitting the return key resulted in generating a databse, im not sure why the return key worked
14:00<dli>bartm, your 586 meets 64MB RAM? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en
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14:00<sret>during the installation i did setup a passphrase for both site.key and $hostname.local-site.key
14:00<zlatan>jhutchins_lt:I got:deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ squeeze non-free
14:00<zlatan>not that
14:00<zlatan>hehe
14:01<zlatan>processor : 0
14:01<zlatan>vendor_id : GenuineIntel
14:01<zlatan>cpu family : 6
14:01<zlatan>model : 23
14:01<zlatan>model name : Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5400 @ 2.70GHz
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14:03<sret>jhutchins_lt: im just doing a check for my system, nothing for a site or website or whatever:P
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14:07<biiter>anybody knows when will be vaapi in mplayer?
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14:15<RadDad>Question: How to set up win7 system to dual boot debian (is it painless?)
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14:17<RadDad>wow a channel full of people and no scroll
14:17<retrospectacus>RadDad: you may have to mess with your disk partitions to make room to install linux on. Other'n that it's painless
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14:18<RadDad>ok, the store geek squad tried talking me into ubuntu and I figure if ubuntu will work so should debian
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14:19<retrospectacus>sure, they all "work"
14:19<dli>RadDad, grub2 can find windows partition by 'update-grub'
14:19<RadDad>would it be better to use gparted or the win7 disk mgr utility to partition?
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14:20<dli>RadDad, gparted should work for ntfs
14:20<retrospectacus>I use gparted or similar
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14:21<RadDad>ok, something to do over coffee, thank you. I hope the ms stuff plays nice.
14:21<retrospectacus>partedmagic liveCD I think I used to prepare for my latest debian install, I believe
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14:23<weedeater64>RadDad, I've never done window/linux , one thing though, if your going to change partitions, do a couple of defrags first .
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14:24<weedeater64>RadDad, and backups!!
14:24<retrospectacus>I recommend keeping the windows partition on the "left" so the number doesn't change and confuse windoze
14:24<RadDad>I tried using partedmagic and the windoze utility and had to use the rescue disk 3 times now :) so when the debian newest version is finished d/l I'll try again. Seems I looks the boot sector each time I partitioned.
14:24<AgentC>ok, but repartition replay backups it always with much time binded.
14:25<RadDad>it's a new machine with a very empty HD. Having to reinstall firefox so many times and disable all the goofy spyware is a pain.
14:26<RadDad>wow, debian d/l said 2+hrs and it's already done, awesome
14:26<AgentC>i installed a 1 terrabyte hdd today morning. to install and partion it was just <10 minutes but to restore the data to the new disk it tooks several hours.
14:26<sret>jhutchins_lt: this is ok to deal with but just a bit of a pain
14:26<sret>tripwire i mean
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14:27<AgentC>and a harddisk crash in case of software-probs i never had with linux, on windows i cant count that... ;-)
14:28<AgentC>always a good idea to separed fileserving from work/client machines.
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14:28<RadDad>old computer was suffering HD failure, so I started having all sorts of nightmares with ubuntu, but they were easily fixed, but too often.
14:28<AgentC>in any case when windows runs on them ;-) *smile*
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14:29<AgentC>RadDad: on win they are more hard to fix *and* to often ... ;)
14:29<weedeater64>Ok, so I apt-got wordpress. Everything went into, /etc/wordpress and /usr/share/wordpress according to whereis wordpress
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14:30<weedeater64>I already had lamp installed
14:30<AgentC>!lamp
14:30<dpkg>LAMP: Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server. Ask me about <install debian><install apache2><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?), or "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql". http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp
14:30<RadDad> I gotta run, thanks everybody
14:30<weedeater64>Do I need to now create a folder in /var/www
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14:31<weedeater64>and move everything from /usr/share/wordpress into it?
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14:31<retrospectacus>weedeater64, it probably created a site in /etc/apache2/sites-available which you can enable with the a2ensite command
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14:32*AgentC knows all that apps, running here, but shortcut lamp never heart. ;-(
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14:34<ioria>help, please !!!
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14:34<AgentC>any1 knows about what is in sip/eXosip/RTP protocol is code for ACK ? (200 should OK)
14:34<retrospectacus>ioria: ask your question, please !!!
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14:35<ioria>I have created a web page
14:35<weedeater64>retrospectacus, jeff@optiplex:/etc/apache2/sites-available$ ls
14:35<weedeater64>default default-ssl
14:35<ioria>the links work
14:36<ioria>the external links, i mean .... www.XXX.com ad example
14:36<sret>jhutchins_lt: i removed tripwire, maybe i'll read more on it before i even install it
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14:36<ioria>but the internal ones ... my personal web page don't appera
14:36<ioria>appear
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14:37<ioria>i don't know the excact path that i have to write in the HREF
14:38<ioria>i put the web pages in /var/www
14:38<ioria>i don't know where to put my web pages
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14:39<ioria>to make the links work
14:39<retrospectacus>the path to go in href is relative to the location of the current file, except if it starts with / it is relative to /var/www
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14:40<retrospectacus>eg <a href="links.htm"> on /var/www/blah/index.htm is a link to /var/www/blah/links.htm
14:40<retrospectacus>eg <a href="/links.htm"> on /var/www/blah/index.htm is a link to /var/www/links.htm
14:40<ioria>i try
14:41<herbert_>problem > my consoles (tty1-6) are going blank after a few seconds, only switching to tty7 (where X-session is running) and returning to tty1, it is back, but only for just another few seconds
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14:44<retrospectacus>weedeater64: sorry mate. I've not installed WP thru apt-get, only by downloading from WP site and unzip in /var/www etc.
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14:44<ioria>yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssss
14:44<ioria>you are a genius
14:45<retrospectacus>haha
14:45<ioria>you are the man !!!!!
14:45<retrospectacus>well now so are you then
14:45<bartm>knowing basic html makes a genious :)
14:45<ioria>you are the boss
14:45<ioria>i'll vote for you in the next elections
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14:46<ioria>my error was the initial /
14:46<ioria>before the file name
14:46<ioria>thank you
14:46<retrospectacus>great, my platform is free beer for everyone
14:46<weedeater64>retrospectacus, that's what I was seen on the WP site, unzip in a folder or move to a folder in http://whatever, I took that to mean /var/www in my case, in a eg..blog folder
14:46<retrospectacus>u have to come to canada though
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14:47<ioria>veni vidi vici
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14:47<ioria>ad maiora
14:47<weedeater64>I'm pretty sure that would work, but I could also make a symlink to the /usr/share/WP stuff , no?
14:47<retrospectacus>weedeater64: is there a file in /etc/apache2/conf.d for WP?
14:48<ioria>bye retrospectatus, thank a lot
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14:48<retrospectacus>yeah maybe but there are better ways to do it, and there is probably a correct way to do it
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14:48<weedeater64>jeff@optiplex:/etc/apache2/conf.d$ ls
14:48<weedeater64>apache2-doc charset javascript-common.conf phpmyadmin.conf security
14:50<retrospectacus>hmm well if you look at phpmyadmin.conf you will see an example of a better way to do it
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14:50<retrospectacus>see phpmyadmin is also in /usr/share
14:51<retrospectacus>however I still believe there is a better way
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14:51<retrospectacus>perhaps there is now a command on your system to install wp into a place in /var/www
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14:51<weedeater64>jeff@optiplex:/etc/wordpress$ cat wp-config.php
14:51<weedeater64><?php
14:51<weedeater64>Please do NOT edit and read about how the configuration works in the README.Debian
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14:51<weedeater64>But there is no README.Debian
14:52<jhutchins_lt>sret: tripwire is an Intrusion Detection System. It takes a snapshot of your system and can let you know if ANY file has changed. It can be optimized to ignore log and spool files, and customized for your own system, but it's complex to do so.
14:52<bartm>weedeater64, submit a minor bug report
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14:53<weedeater64>bartm, I don't know if this qualifies as a bug.
14:53<retrospectacus>weedeater64: take a look at dpkg -L wordpress there might be some hint for you
14:54<bartm>weedeater64, a missing README.Debian file referenced to... yes it does imo
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14:55<weedeater64>I copied the WP index.php into /var/www and was able to browse to it, but got warning and errors about can't find ...bla stuff that I know is in /usr/share/WP
14:56<retrospectacus>yeah that is not gonna work. Did you study "dpkg -L wordpress"?
14:56<weedeater64>bartm, oh, yeah the readme, I wasn't on the same page with you for a minute, you are correct.
14:56<weedeater64>Let me go do "dpkg -L wordpress" and see what.
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14:58<bartm>weedeater64, according to this list of files http://packages.debian.org/lenny/all/wordpress/filelist the package does have a README.Debian file
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14:58<retrospectacus>weedeater64: you could change DocumentRoot /var/www to /usr/share/wordpress in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default I suppose
14:59<Tiff>Why not create a separate "site" instead?
15:00<retrospectacus>better
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15:07<bighornram>How can I check from CLI if I've successfully disabled IPV6?
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15:08<bighornram>I'm using squeeze currently updated
15:09<retrospectacus>bighornram: ping6 -c1 ::1
15:09<retrospectacus>?
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15:11<martin>ok
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15:12<Guest1979>alguien habla español?
15:12<bartm>!es
15:12<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
15:13<Guest1979>gracias
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15:14<bighornram>retrospectacus: and if ipv6 is not working I should get no route to host?
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15:14<retrospectacus>bighornram: it will say socket: Address family not supported by protocol
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15:15<retrospectacus>that's what it says on my old 2.6.18 box
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15:15<bighornram>retrospectacus: I disabled via kernel line in grub and rebooted but it got a reply
15:15<bighornram>:(
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15:17<retrospectacus>!noipv6
15:17<dpkg>To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
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15:17<r0ger>i'm going to be reinstalling the operating system on one machine and setting up backup services on another temporarily. can i use iptables to route people to the other ip (diff. machine) since dns wont have time to resolve for everyone or will that disconnect them when the firewall drops on shutdown? is there another better solution to my problem?
15:17<retrospectacus>u did ipv6.disable=1 bighornram ?
15:17<sret>jhutchins_lt: yeah for now its confusing
15:17<sret>i have to update policies and stuff if a new app is installed and what not
15:18<sret>i'l read more on it and then reinstall it at a later stage
15:18<bighornram>GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="ipv6.disable=1" in /etc/default/grub
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15:19<bighornram>:o forgot to run update-grub
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15:20<retrospectacus>yeh necessary :)
15:20<retrospectacus>ping6 -c1 ::1 >/dev/null 2>&1 || echo ip6 is disabled
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15:22<bighornram>retrospectacus: good now. thanks
15:22<retrospectacus>excellent
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15:24<jhutchins_lt>sret: It's nice to know, but utterly useless after the fact.
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15:29<sret>jhutchins_lt: i see what you mean:P
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15:32<weedeater64>Jeez, now I can't even get the <pre> and <code> tags to behave, maybe I'm misusing them, any way..
15:32<weedeater64>I did jeff@optiplex:/etc/wordpress$ dpkg -L wordpress |grep /var
15:32<weedeater64>/usr/share/wordpress/wp-includes/vars.php
15:32<weedeater64>The file is here, http://pastebin.com/7iHKp8UH
15:33<weedeater64>Am I onto something here?
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15:37<retrospectacus>weedeater64: nope. I would create a new "site" in sites-enabled, using a copy of phpmyadmin.conf as a template
15:37<retrospectacus>I mean, in sites-available
15:37<retrospectacus>then enable it ;)
15:38<acu>what tools I need to monitor every step a user does begining with the log - what time they got in = what files they viewed = copied etc ?
15:38<weedeater64>retrospectacus, Ok, I'll give that a whirl..
15:39<retrospectacus>acu: google "shell logging"
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15:41<biiter>hi. anybody knows how to fix i915 performance issue? when plaing video Xorg eats 100% CPU.. but not when rendering glxgears on fullscreen
15:41<acu>I just found whowatch
15:42<acu>biiter: what OS do you run = what application do you run ?
15:42<acu>what CPU ram etc
15:42<biiter>acu: debian, mplayer
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15:43<acu>what debian - squeeze amd64 ?
15:43<acu>try totem - or vlc and see if you get the same
15:43<biiter>acu: intel i3 m370, 2GB ram
15:43<biiter>acu: squeeze 32bit
15:43<acu>what video do you play - maybe some mts or some screwy formate
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15:44<biiter>ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, version 2
15:44<acu>is it an avi = what resolution - for example if you do 1080p playing is eating a lot of stuff - and when you do not have the right decoder that kills everything
15:45<biiter>900 x 720
15:45<biiter>its 720p
15:45<biiter>i downloaded it from youtube
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15:46<acu>I see - sometimes the way is encoded can suck get a file from ted.com and see if it does the same
15:46<biiter>hmm. i get this from mplayer
15:46<biiter>FAAD: compressed input bitrate missing, assuming 128kbit/s!
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15:48*biiter is getting video from ted
15:48<acu>I never made mplayer work - use (movie player) totem - or vlc or some other player
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15:48<acu>mplayer is good to convert videos etc - but I never made it work as player _ but hey there are tons of others which work
15:48<jhutchins_lt>I can never get anything BUT mplayer to work.
15:49<acu>jhutchins_lt, you (or me) migt be a twisted screw
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15:50<biiter>hmm.. when i play the video fullscreen it get's much worse.. i think that indicates that is not decoding issue
15:50<biiter>only Xorg consumption is higher
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15:52<biiter>totem does little bit better.. but it still sucks
15:52<jhutchins_lt>bittin: If you run mplayer in console you might get more debug info.
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15:53<jhutchins_lt>biiter: If you run mplayer in console you might get more debug info.
15:53<jhutchins_lt>biiter: What GPU do you have? What driver?
15:54<acu>biiter: to me it seem that you do not have the right decoder - if you install vlc - usually pulls with it a lot of usefull things :) - alternatively - you can search for debian multimedia (christian marrillat) repositorys
15:54<biiter>[MGA] Couldn't open: /dev/mga_vid
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15:54<biiter>jhutchins_lt: i915
15:55<biiter>jhutchins_lt: devault xorg intel driver
15:55*biiter installing vlc
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15:58<biiter>vlc does the same as mplayer
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15:58<weedeater64>acu, I just found one called wuzzah
15:59<acu>thands weedeater64: I will give a try - strange name - but if it does the job - great :)
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16:00<weedeater64>acu, BTW, I just started using mplayer myself, and loving it.
16:00<jhutchins_lt>biiter: Pre-downloaded, right?
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16:02<biiter>jhutchins_lt: what is that?
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16:03<acu>biiter: start your application from a prompt - e.g. open prompt and type vlc - when you play your stuff you will see some messages if something is screwed
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16:03<acu>biiter: you can do a dmesg and see what that shows
16:04<acu>biiter: or you can go and see at /var/log/syslog what is telling you in there = can do a tail /var/log/syslog - or something like this
16:04<weedeater64>acu, wuzzah is a logging tool, not a player, it's in the repos. case I confused.
16:04<acu>weedeater64, no confusion at all :) I got it
16:05<acu>I was telling also about whowatch
16:05<jhutchins_lt>biiter: I mean you downloaded the video as a file, as opposed to streaming it on-line.
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16:06<r0ger>if i use ip masquerading will clients drop when the firewall shuts down or do they actually connect directly to the new ip?
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16:07<biiter>vlc http://pastebin.com/HREBFDFq
16:07<biiter>mplayer http://pastebin.com/kjRvQK7i
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16:07<biiter>jhutchins_lt: yes. i downloaded a file from ted.com to hdd
16:07<biiter>and youtube
16:08<biiter>they behave the same
16:08<acu>youtube has flash
16:08<acu>so you need to get the nonfree flash player
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16:10<acu>if you enable non-free repositories nano /etc/apt/sources.list add non-free then update then install flashplugin-nonfree through synaptic or some aptitude biiter
16:10<wikki>hello! where is the german help channel?
16:10<acu>!german
16:10<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
16:11<biiter>acu: the codec is implemented in mplayer.. and i have nonfree flash installed
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16:11<biiter>the Xorg shouldn't take that much cpu
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16:12<acu>wikki: here is an ACHTUNG! (I am going to be kicked out for this - but is worth :) ---- Alles touristen und non-technishen looken peepers! Das machine is nicht fur der fingerpoken und mittengrabben. Is easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und popencorken mit spitzen sparken. Das machine is diggen by experten only. Is nicht fur gerwerken by das dummkopfen. Das rubbernecken sightseeren keepen das cottenpiken hands in das pockets.
16:12<acu> Relaxen und watchen das blinkenlights.
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16:12<biiter>even when i drag the other windows around the mplayer window it glitches the whole screen
16:12<devil>acu: is that google trans?
16:12<acu>lol :)
16:13<wikki>pretty funny^^
16:13<devil>interesting anyways
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16:13<wikki>#debian.de
16:13<acu>you need to know a bit of german, understand red necks - and chill :)
16:14<devil>acu: i know 'a bit' of german ;)
16:14<acu>how you would call in german twisted f--k ?
16:15<devil>i think that is rather for another channel
16:15<ompaul>wikki: that is from 1958 :)
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16:17<acu>sorry guys - there is an offtopic for debian - but I could not resist - rubbernecken - is still a wonder of nature - a form of twist :) - and I will halt now -
16:18<ompaul>acu or you could join #debian-offtopic and chat about it there for a moment or four
16:18<biiter>i accidentaly deleted /etc/init.d/gdm3 how can i restore it please?
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16:19<weedeater64>biiter, probably apt-get install gdm, will do.
16:19<weedeater64>biiter, can you watch youtube videos at their site?
16:19<witte>biiter: better apt-get install --reinstall gdm
16:20<weedeater64>biiter, I don't know
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16:20<Tiff>gdm != gdm3
16:20<biiter>i dod both and none of them worked :(
16:20<biiter>did*
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16:22<ompaul>bittin: do apt-get install gdm (as you don't have it installed)
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16:22<ompaul>that at least lets you in
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16:23<biiter>:)
16:23<weedeater64>biiter, if you can watch youtube videos at their site, here is one about getting the right driver, in case that's it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOuVgMWbt-E&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
16:24<Tiff>Reinstalling will also not replace config files you've deleted, cuz it will be assumed that because you deleted them you actually want them gone.
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16:25<Tiff>Go acquire the deb, extract the file you need and put it back.
16:25<ompaul>the deb should be sitting in /var/cache/apt/archive/
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16:27<biiter>ompaul: perfect.. thx
16:28<biiter>weedeater64: i can play the video in mplayer too. but it takes a lot of cpu.. more than flashplugin.. if it was codec related than the mplayer would take the cpu.. but Xorg is the problem
16:28<weedeater64>ompaul, Cool, I knew nothing of that..
16:29<biiter>hmm.. and i noticed now that even the mouse curosr is freezing sometimes...
16:30<weedeater64>biiter, Do you know if you have correct driver? That is what the video I linked is about.
16:32<weedeater64>biiter, have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xorg
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16:37<biiter>weedeater64: kernel modul is fine and xorg driver too
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16:44<biiter>hm.. i reconfigured xorg.. i tryed EXA and UXA.. nothing helps
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16:45<acu>biiter: I think the best for you would be to "accidentally" reinstall your squeeze - and resist "creative" temptations - just to a straight netinstall and it may work
16:45<acu>I mean - install it clean
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16:45<biiter>acu: it's clean.. how it should be dirty?
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16:46<biiter>when i was testin this laptop I played 720p trailer with no problem.. but i don't remember if it was ubuntu or debian...
16:46<acu>LOL - do not know - unless there is something screwy - some bug in daily -
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16:57<weedeater64>Ha, my earlier statement about missing README.Debian , was a mistake. I can't believe I did this [again].
16:57<babilen>(too much weed?)
16:58<weedeater64>I was looking in the dir's that whereis indicated for locations of wordpress
16:58<weedeater64>Need to look in /usr/share/doc/WP
16:58<babilen>weedeater64: README.* are *always* installed in /usr/share/doc/package_name/
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16:59<weedeater64>Ashamed to admit, not first time.
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17:01<weedeater64>Why won't $whereis whatever_package give /usr/share/doc/whatever_package
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17:04<weedeater64>Ok, screw $whereis from now on it's gonna be $dpkg -L
17:04<weedeater64>*light goes on*
17:05<ompaul>weedeater64: because whereis is not locate
17:05<weedeater64>California, Arkansas, Oklahoma have all issued me drivers licences. hahaha
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17:24<biiter>i guess i have to install ubuntu
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17:26<GhostlyDeath>Is there a way to increase the font size of the framebuffer text or to lower it's resolution to something smaller?
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17:27<GhostlyDeath>The only mode it decides to use is 1280x1024 which is way too large
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17:28<GhostlyDeath>Changing the settings in /etc/default/console-setup and /etc/kbd/config have no effect once it changes the mode
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17:28<ompaul>biiter: do you want to do one last thing, remove xorg.conf ... just mv it out of the way and restart X
17:28<GhostlyDeath>Once the framebuffer is started I'm forced to manually use setfont to increase the font size
17:28<biiter>ompaul: i tryed that :(
17:29<biiter>even moving windows in gnome is glitching
17:29<jhutchins_lt>GhostlyDeath: Do you want higher resolution or a bigger font?
17:29<GhostlyDeath>Also attempting to use fbset to set a lower resolution fails completely with an invalid argument ioctl error
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17:29<GhostlyDeath>jhutchins_lt: Lower resolution or larger font, so the console is 80x25
17:29<jhutchins_lt>GhostlyDeath: Will your xorg driver run without the framebuffer?
17:29<GhostlyDeath>No
17:30<GhostlyDeath>well, i915.modeset=0 fails
17:30<jhutchins_lt>squeeze then. Crud.
17:30<ompaul>biiter: it was suggested that you do a clean install - i.e. do no driver things and come back. however I saw you starting off with a I rmed a file ... so how that makes you install something else is beyond me
17:30<GhostlyDeath>When it tries to start X it just flashes a cursor on the top left corner
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17:31<biiter>ompaul: i installed only things from debian repo
17:31<GhostlyDeath>and constantly switches to X's virtual terminal, which is probably gdm starting itself again after death
17:31<biiter>ompaul: that was something else.. unrelated
17:31<jhutchins_lt>bittin: Clean install means starting from scratch with no changes from what the installer does.
17:31<biiter>i installed it yesterday
17:31<biiter>and i didn't change anything
17:31<ompaul>biiter: and do it again now, fully you did you said you did ... <biiter> ompaul: i installed only things from debian repo
17:32<jhutchins_lt>bittin: Ah, but you did change things.
17:32<ompaul>biiter: and don't do anything just come here
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17:32<GhostlyDeath>If I were to switch back and run `/etc/init.d/console-setup start` as root then all the terminals get a larger font
17:32<biiter>ok.. and what install iso should i use?
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17:33<ompaul>bittin: that is totally up to you, the one you used yesterday
17:33<ompaul>biiter: do you have good reason to use 64bit?
17:33<dani>is there any way to change eye of gnome to sort my files by modified date instead of sorting them alphabetically? this is a great annoyance for me.
17:34<biiter>ompaul: no
17:34<ompaul>biiter: and what install disk did you use?
17:34<biiter>debian-squeeze-di-rc2-i386-netinst.iso
17:35<ompaul>biiter: that is good, just it, and when done before you do anything else join this channel and we work out what is it you need to do next
17:35<biiter>ok
17:35<biiter>im on it
17:35<ompaul>see you in whatever time
17:36<ompaul>biiter: also be aware that people live in different time zones - so your return time may see different people here
17:36<GhostlyDeath>On an unrelated note, pam encfs with user login freezes parts of the system with the squeeze kernel but not with a lenny or experimental kernel
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17:38<ompaul>GhostlyDeath: that looks like it should in the bug tracker did you look?
17:38<GhostlyDeath>It's not in there
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17:39<ompaul>GhostlyDeath: that was based on the assumption you are talking squeeze with squeeze kernel or lenny with lenny kernel and experimental with guess what ;-)
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17:39<justaguest>can anyone help me with crunchbang? I can't figure out where Pigdin is.
17:39<ompaul>!crunchbang
17:39<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on Debian>.
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17:40<dani>anyone know how to change eye of gnome settings so it would sort my pictures by modified date and not alphabetically?
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17:40<ompaul>dani: crazy question is there a date column and can you click on that?
17:41*ompaul is not on gnome
17:41*devil is not a gnome
17:41<biiter>what is your desktop env?
17:41<GhostlyDeath>Doesn't look like there's an option in it at all, but there's a show date plugin
17:41<ompaul>biiter: good enough to give you help (KDE)
17:42<devil>gimme a K, gimme a D, gimme a E. whats that spell?
17:42<GhostlyDeath>WindowMaker
17:42<ompaul>KDE
17:42<dani>ompaul: yes, but in eog when i click next picture it shows the next picture that follows the letter of the first file name picture. it's so annoying. i have to open and close each time to see my new pictures.
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17:43<devil>dani: why not use a dedicated tool that knows 'show by date' or the like
17:44<GhostlyDeath>Is there even a way to set the size of the framebuffer without having it auto detect the "best" resolution?
17:44<retrospectacus>GhostlyDeath, try xrandr -s 800x600 (e.g)
17:45<GhostlyDeath>retrospectacus: That just sets X's resolution
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17:46<biiter>GhostlyDeath: try vbetool
17:47<dani>devil: what kind of dedicated tool? do you know any?
17:47<devil>dani: there is many tools for that, one would be gwenview
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17:50<GhostlyDeath>blarson: vbetool did not work at all
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17:50<GhostlyDeath>err biiter
17:50<dvs>GhostlyDeath: try the kernel video option. e.g. video=1024x768-32
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17:52<dani>devil: i shall try that, thank you so much
17:52<devil>dani: for even more comfort shotwell might be a nice choice
17:53<devil>dani: no idea if that made it to testing yet
17:54<ompaul>it did
17:54<ompaul>ohh
17:54<ompaul>sorry
17:54<ompaul>it is in sid
17:54<ompaul>should be there (freeze etc)
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17:55<weedeater64>.
17:55<weedeater64>00
17:57<dani>devil: okidoo, i'll give both a try
17:57<dani>devil: thanks :)
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17:57<devil>dani: yw
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17:59<GhostlyDeath>dvs: That works, I can lower the resolution with that option
17:59<dvs>GhostlyDeath: you should
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18:00<GhostlyDeath>thanks
18:00<dvs>np
18:00<GhostlyDeath>720x400 is 90x25 but 640x400 should be correct
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18:01<GhostlyDeath>Now the remaining problem is that when the framebuffer starts it uses the default VGA font instead of Terminus
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18:02<devil>GhostlyDeath: dpkg-reconfigure console-terminus
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18:09<sret>babilen: there?
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18:11<ompaul>sret: ask the question and I'll confuse it and babilen will arrive back just in time to save the day ;-)
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18:12*biiter reinstalled
18:12<ompaul>biiter: in a vm or something?
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18:13<biiter>ompaul: no.. metal
18:13<biiter>real hardware
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18:13<ompaul>bittin: so what do you want to do next?
18:13<biiter>play hd vid
18:13<biiter>or vid from youtube
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18:15<ompaul>biiter: gnash or flash?
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18:15<biiter>mplayer
18:16<GhostlyDeath>640x400 results in my monitor saying "Out of Range" but 640x480 works of course
18:16<biiter>flash/gnash.. whatever has better performance
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18:16<devil>biiter: you heard of minitube, right?
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18:17<biiter>devil: no
18:17<dvs>GhostlyDeath: if you know the refresh rate of your monitor, you can use 640x480-32@60 or something like that.
18:17<GhostlyDeath>Tried @60, that was out of range
18:18<ompaul>biiter: have a look at apt-cache search minitube you might just have it there
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18:19<biiter>i don't have it there.. should i add contrib?
18:19<ompaul>bittin: apt-get update
18:19<ompaul>it is in main
18:19<biiter>btw.. my dick is parking heads too often.. is there better solution than disable apm bia hdparm ?
18:19<biiter>sorry
18:19<biiter>disk
18:20<biiter>apt-get update didn't helped
18:20<GhostlyDeath>I do know that my monitor supports down to 320x200 though, done it before, unless it's the video card
18:21<dvs>You have to know the refresh rates of you monitor for it to work.
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18:21<ompaul>biiter: eh, you installed squeeze, and apt-get update didn't provide you with minitube?
18:21<biiter>correct
18:21<ompaul>biiter: can you irc from that box?
18:22<biiter>yes
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18:22<biiter>cen i give you a shell? .. or share the terminal?
18:22<ompaul>then I am at a 100% loss, how can you install apt-get update and not get a package in there
18:22<biiter>share would be better
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18:22<ompaul>never offer anyone an account
18:22<biiter>ok
18:23<ompaul>I could arrive in there and have some serious fun with that box and you'd know nothing
18:23<biiter>apt-cache search kernel works fine
18:23<ompaul>you don't know who or what you are dealing with, that is reinstall turf
18:23<ompaul>apt-cache policy minitube
18:24<biiter>N: Unable to locate package minitube
18:24<devil>ompaul: dont forget: us 2 is the sid-brothers. maybe minitube has not made it to stable yet :)
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18:25<ompaul>devil: there is that
18:25<ompaul>ok so no minitube for you then :)
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18:25<biiter>http://packages.debian.org/en/squeeze/minitube Package not available in this suite.
18:26<ompaul>biiter: yeap
18:26<ompaul>bittin: it is my most common fault to forget that sid is not testing
18:26<biiter>it could be vid from ted.com
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18:26<biiter>or movie trailer
18:26<devil>biiter: minitube is not in testing yet
18:27<amphi>biiter: cclive will stream youtube videos to mplayer or whatever
18:27<ompaul>clive
18:27<amphi>and some other video sites
18:27<amphi>cclive
18:28<amphi>cclive is written in c
18:28<amphi>clive was a predecessor, in perl, I think
18:28<biiter>should i install it?
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18:28<ompaul>go for it
18:28<amphi>oh, c++
18:28<amphi>biiter: give it a try
18:28<biiter>apt-get install cclive
18:29<biiter>done
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18:29<amphi>biiter: put 'stream-exec = "mplayer -cache 1024 -really-quiet %i"' in ~/.ccliverc and then try cclive -s some_youtube_video_yrl
18:30<amphi>without -s it'll download it
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18:32<sret>ompaul: lol
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18:32<sret>ompaul: oh just an irssi thing
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18:33<ompaul>sret: then you know better than I do I know nothing ;-)
18:33<biiter>is youtube working?
18:33<amphi>biiter: I was going to ask you that ;)
18:34<amphi>biiter: try without -s and see if it downloads anything first, perhaps
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18:35<biiter>web youtube tells me that error ocured for every video
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18:37<biiter>and script returns 404 not found
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18:39<biiter>ompaul: i install mplayer and try video from ted.com instead of youtube because i can't see any video on youtube right now
18:39<ompaul>bittin: so you will want some codecs at that point
18:40<drone77>you could try youtube-dl
18:40<biiter>apt-get install mplayer # done
18:41<ompaul>biiter: you will want faad
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18:41<biiter>done
18:41<sret>ompaul: :P trying tolearn some scripting
18:41<sret>if its irssi im interested so kinda gets me started on something
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18:42<ompaul>biiter: mplayer http://video.ted.com/talks/podcast/JakeShimabukuro_2010.mp4
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18:42<biiter>hmm.. it plays flawlessly
18:43<ompaul>biiter: you might want to look at how you are going to deal with flashplayer
18:43<biiter>Xorg is bellow 10% and mplayer around 20% cpu load
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18:44<ompaul>biiter: look at that page - don't do anything until you discuss it further http://wiki.debian.org/Flash
18:45<biiter>please.. before continuin with video issue.. can you help me with more important issue? i have brand new lenovo laptop with hitachi HDD .. and the disk is still parking heads.. what should i do?
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18:46<biiter>i don't wan't to disable the powersavings with hdparm -B 254
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18:48<ompaul>I;ve not got one so have not thought about it
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18:48<biiter>ok.. well the gnash is unable to play anything from ted.com or youtube.. so what other options do i have
18:48<ompaul>flashplayer
18:48<ompaul>:-(
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18:49<ompaul>which model of laptop have you got?
18:49<biiter>x201i
18:50<ompaul>http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Debian_6.0_%28Squeeze%29_on_a_ThinkPad_X201i have you looked at this - btw these are not debian docs so I don;t know how good / bad they are
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18:51<biiter>yes i have.. i have been reading about x201i and debian whole last week
18:51<jose__>hello
18:51<biiter>i was interrested mainly in powermanagement
18:51<jose__>not to be pedantic, but what's the point of sid nowadays?
18:52<ompaul>to be upstream of testing when not frozen
18:52<devil>jose__: pardon me?
18:52<biiter>because cpu operates in 47-55 degrees of Celsius .. and i think it's too much in idle state
18:52<dvs>jose__: It's a place to submit new versions of packages
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18:53<jose__>ok, but it _may_ be used as a main o.s., doesn't it?
18:53<devil>jose__: it is by some
18:53<dvs>jose__: eventually, but not be Debian
18:53<dvs>*in
18:53<jose__>so what's the point of it if testing and sid both have the same version of programs
18:53<ompaul>biiter: no idea about your parking
18:53<jose__>for instance, chromium-browser
18:53<jose__>testing = sid
18:53<devil>jose__: they ust have the same for a short time
18:53<biiter>ompaul: ok.. should i onstall non-free flash now?
18:53<ompaul>jose__: not everything in sid in is in testing
18:53<dvs>jose__: testing is tested by a boatload of users, not just the developer
18:54<ompaul>biiter: I would never tell you to. I will say it will work with flash videos :-/
18:54<ompaul>biiter: it is a dog but what can I say
18:54<jose__>so to be on the bleeding edge _someone_ might use experimental?
18:54<jose__>is it possible?
18:54<devil>jose__: no
18:54<dvs>jose__: experimental has a whole lot less packages.
18:55<devil>well, possible yes, but not clever
18:55<biiter>ompaul: i'll try it just to test if it causes the video problem
18:55<jose__>so.. there's no other way aroung but compiling packages one by yourself?
18:56<devil>jose__: during freeze one can fetch some packages from experimental, if needed
18:56<ompaul>jose__: how did that idea get put together, the conversation took a leap I can't follow
18:56<jose__>ok
18:56<biiter>ompaul: btw.. im used to use aptitude instead of apt-*.. is a problem in that?
18:56<ompaul>biiter: no use it as you will :)
18:56<devil>jose__: but quality in experimental can vary a lot
18:56<jose__>sorry for entering the chat this way
18:57<jose__>just had been testing arch for a while and was hoping I could find something similar in Debian
18:57<jose__>(packages more uptodate)
18:58<devil>jose__: debian has derivates :)
18:58<weedeater64>I don't have minitube either, Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-26lenny1)
18:58<jose__>yep I know, but I rather prefer Debian
18:58<ompaul>weedeater64: one would have expect that
18:58<jhutchins_lt>jose__: Version numbers don't tell the whole story anyway, Debian tends to patch existing, known stable packages rather than push newer, untested packages.
18:58<ompaul>s/expect/expected/
18:58<jose__>I'll try a minimal ubuntu install instead
18:59<retrospectacus>like a chump
18:59<ompaul>jose__: that does not parse given what you were saying
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18:59<devil>right
18:59<jhutchins_lt>ubuntu isn't debian. not even close these days.
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19:00<jose__>but at the very base it's a derivative, isn't it?
19:00<devil>jose__: maybe you find something on http://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census
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19:01<devil>jose__: there is derivates that track debian closely, others more loosely. ubuntu belongs to the latter for sure
19:02<jose__>ok, thanks for the link. I just used distrowatch to know of other projects based on Debian
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19:04<weedeater64>love that ted/queen vid
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19:12<biiter>ompaul: the videos i was having problems before are now playing flawlesly.. i don't understand where was the problem.. thanks
19:12<biiter>with*
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19:13<ompaul>biiter: you will need codecs for all sorts of things, just drop by when you need them but first read some of thse where you see <keyword> do /msg dpkg keyword
19:13<ompaul>!codecs
19:13<dpkg>A codec (portmanteau of "compressor-decompressor") is a program or device used to encode/decode a data stream or signal. Ask me about <libavcodec>, <w32codecs>.
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19:15<biiter>ok
19:15<weedeater64>libavcodec
19:16<ompaul>weedeater64: if you read the works /msg dpkg libavcodec
19:16<ompaul>s/works/words
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19:19<ayaka>how to use ctrl alt +back to restart X,I don't how to ask dpkg this
19:19<weedeater64>ompaul, huh?
19:20<ompaul>weedeater64: /msg dpkg libavcodec
19:21<weedeater64>ompaul, Ok, got that but what's the s/works/words bit?
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19:22<ompaul>weedeater64: in my previous comment I made a mistake
19:22<Arrowmaster>ayaka: ctrl-alt-f7
19:22<weedeater64>k
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19:28<weedeater64>Ha, I haven't ever used IRC much, I vaguely remember talking to a bot 3 or 4 years ago,. been trying to get more learned recently, nice tool, whoever is responsible, thanks.
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19:29<weedeater64>And thanks too all who help.
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19:31<retrospectacus>!ctlaltbackspace
19:31<dpkg>In Lenny, disable termination of your X server via Ctrl+Alt+Backspace by placing Option "DontZap" "on" within the ServerFlags section of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, see xorg.conf(5) or ask me about <xorg config lenny>. In Squeeze, zapping is disabled by default. "dpkg-reconfigure -pmedium keyboard-configuration" and answer Yes when asked if Ctrl+Alt+Backspace can terminate the X server; setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
19:31<retrospectacus>wup guess he found it
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19:36<giuse>send %s
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19:40<giuse>ma come si usa?
19:40<ompaul>!it
19:40<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
19:41<giuse>a ok grx dpkg
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20:43<biiter>how can i list what alternatives i can change?
20:43<zlatan>hi...I have two different distros...Debian and Ubuntu now on...in grub there is only Debian to select and not Ubunut..
20:44<zlatan>I even mounted Ubuntu partition in Debian and updated grub but no result
20:44<zlatan>does anyone know how to make this work?
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20:50<Nemoder_>zlatan: do you have os-prober installed on debian?
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20:51<Nemoder_>biiter: ls /etc/alternatives
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20:53<biiter>thx
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21:04<osmans>How awesome debian and Linux are!
21:04<osmans>They are amazing!
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21:07<osmans>quit;
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21:37<mechanica>This is kind of intimidating, but I have a question regarding an old Xebian install on a regular Xbox (not 360).
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21:39<nevyn>mmm...
21:39<mechanica>I installed Xebian years ago, and it is running the 2.4 linux kernel, and I was wondering whether I should try to update it to the 2.6 kernel, or just re-install a newer distro
21:39<nevyn>mechanica: is this #xebian?
21:39<mechanica>no, is there #xebian?
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21:40<mechanica>the problem, is i don't know if there is any maintained distro's of linux/debian for xbox still out there.
21:40<mechanica>(no #xebian...just checked)
21:41<nevyn>!based on debian
21:41<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
21:41<mechanica>oh, sorry for the bother
21:42<sney>mechanica: you might have some luck with debootstrap though
21:42<mechanica>can you guys recommend any places to go from here?
21:42<sney>if it were me, and I was the one tinkering with linux on an original xbox, I'd definitely go the debootstrap route.
21:42<sney>!debootstrap
21:42<dpkg>debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap
21:43<alfabit>mechanica: with the hardware in the original xbox, unless you're trying to get something working that requires newer kernel support...I'd run with what you have. don't fix it if it ain't broke
21:44<mechanica>that is what i was thinking, but i'm going to try and make a server out of it, and i've never tried to install the non-latest versions of apache/mysql...etc before, any insight into that?
21:44<mechanica>is there a way to find the older versions of those progs that support my 2.4 kernel?
21:44<sney>snapshot
21:44<sney>!snapshot
21:44<dpkg>http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412
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21:45<mechanica>thanks
21:45<sney>you're on your own for support, naturally
21:45<mechanica>of course
21:46<mechanica>i'm still somewhat new to linux, but can get around fairly easily, if i tried debootstrap, would i lose any hardware compatibility with my xbox?
21:46<sney>unlikely
21:47<sney>iirc the xbox was all intel hardware with a nvidia gpu
21:47<mechanica>gotcha, i might try that route first.
21:47<alfabit>mechanica: i know you mentioned wanting mysql, but if you want to build an obsolete apache the step-by-step is here:
21:47<alfabit>http://www.moxtrait.com/comp/compiling-apache.html
21:47<mechanica>O_o
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21:49<sney>the only thing is that i don't know how the xbox handles booting, so you may need to fiddle with xebian to see how that works
21:49<mechanica>i'm somewhat worried about that,
21:50<mechanica>it boots through a .xbe file fromt the native xbox dash, which refers it to the distro somehow, i'll prolly do some reading there.
21:50<sney>might be able to install with deboostrap to a second hard drive, then chainload grub somehow
21:50<sney>it'll be interesting that's for sure, and a debootstrap install is definitely supported here
21:50<alfabit>mechanica: another thought if you've got old hardware laying around. find a matching or comparable hard drive, pull your xbox hard drive, link them up with a couple ide ribbon cables on a different computer, and using 'dd' to image the drive. then tinker to your heart's content...
21:51<alfabit>i think the stock drive was an 8gb western digital - tiny!
21:51<mechanica>i have a non-stock 80gb in it right now, i believe
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22:03<weedeater64>Can I get a volunteer to quit, and rejoin ?
22:03<mechanica>sure
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22:04<weedeater64>crap
22:04<mechanica>?
22:04<weedeater64>I'm trying to turn off some messages, ie.. join left
22:05<mechanica>ah
22:05<weedeater64>back to nano
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22:08<weedeater64>Actually before I make another change, I should have probably shut down xchat and restarted, which I have now done
22:08<weedeater64>Up for another run?
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22:10<weedeater64>crap
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22:17<weedeater64>#event_name=Join
22:17<weedeater64>#event_text=%C19*%O$t%C19%B$1 %B($3) has joined $2
22:17<weedeater64>Shouldn't this work?
22:17<weedeater64>xchat pevents.conf
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22:23<ayaka>I resize a partion in M$(this not partion not used in linux),so I lost my / and /usr but /home still in,I'm in a live cd,can I recove the partion
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22:26<Mickle>Hello
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22:27<Mickle>Hi
22:27<weedeater64>ayaka, I'd say your looking at a reinstall.
22:27<alfabit>ayaka: Maybe. Read about Parted's 'rescue' command. The old partitions can be saved unless another tool has formatted them.
22:27<weedeater64>MichealH, hi
22:27<alfabit>http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/manual/html_node/rescue.html
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22:28<Mickle>Where are you live?
22:29<ayaka>alfabit, I'm not sure it,formatted.I will ask dpkg
22:30<Mickle>In what country do you live?
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22:31<weedeater64>usa
22:31<weedeater64>you?
22:32<Mickle>in russia
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22:38<ayaka>alfabit, can you tell me how to use it,I don't understand it large long english
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22:39<Mickle>you have Debian or Ubuntu?
22:39<opticon>can someone help me with setting up tftp server on debian 5 i have tried following a few guides on the net for tftpd and tftp-hpa but none of it works...
22:41<ayaka>ayaka, me in fedora live cd
22:42<weedeater64>opticon, did you get the tftpd package?
22:43<weedeater64>MichealH, Debian
22:44<opticon>yes with apt
22:44<Mickle>I have Debian and Ubuntu
22:44<Mickle>but now I use Ubuntu
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22:46<alfabit>opticon: i use tftp, to flash my routers. what isn't working for you?
22:48<alfabit>opticon: but i guess i am using only the client, and you want a server? my package is tftp - not tftpd.
22:49<weedeater64>I haven't used it and don't have it installed, but from what I see in the package description, I'd
22:49<weedeater64>man services(5) and inetd(8)
22:50<weedeater64>And of course man tftpd
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22:50<Mickle>do you use Windows?
22:51<weedeater64>NO!
22:51<weedeater64>no
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22:53<joe6>hello, I have 2 debian machines. One of them was installed sometime ago, though i keep doing "apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade" fairly often. When I do, reboot or poweroff on this machine, I see that the machine gracefully shuts down the services and halts/powersoff/reboots. On the other machine, I just installed debian testing last week, but I notice that "shutdown -hr now or reboot or poweroff" is not shutting down the services. It just s
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22:53<weedeater64>Used to, had Ubuntu for a while, then went Debian maybe 4 years ago.. i just got the latest Ubuntu a couple weeks ago to have a look, but I don't think I'll be using it
22:53<joe6>Is there a proper way of shutting down a machine gracefully?
22:54<alfabit>joe6: that's a typo and you're doing "shutdown -h now" right?
22:54<Mickle>why you don't use Windows? USA have Microsoft, which do Windows
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22:54<joe6>alfabit: "shutdown -h now" == poweroff and "shutdown -hr now == reboot" ??
22:54<Mickle>it's your brend
22:54<joe6>that is what I assumed
22:54<weedeater64>I thought "shutdown -h now" was the graceful way.
22:55<joe6>i do not see it stopping the services, when doing that.
22:55<alfabit>it is. "shutdown -h" is halt, "shutdown -r" is reboot.
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22:55<joe6>Could I be missing some software that does the graceful shutdown.
22:56<alfabit>your /etc/apt/sources.list is only pointing to /stable, right?
22:56<joe6>alfabit: no, testing.
22:56<alfabit>well, that's ok, too.
22:56<joe6>on the old machine, i can see the gdm stopped and all that. On the new machine, it just syncs and shutsdown.
22:57<alfabit>my guess is that you don't see the services stopping because of the new init system, that replaces sysv style startup and (i believe) shutdown.
22:57<joe6>alfabit: that could explain it.
22:57<alfabit>do you have any reason to believe that these services are stopping unclean?
22:57<alfabit>such as log files, or weird errors anywhere?
22:57<joe6>alfabit: nope, just that I do not see them being shutdown.
22:57<weedeater64>Is there a log somewhere?
22:57<joe6>alfabit: can I check any logs to see how it shuts down.
22:58<alfabit>i wouldn't worry about it. logs galore in /var/log
22:58<alfabit>if you want to verify things are good, go to a terminal (Ctrl-Alt-F2, for example), log in, stop gdm by hand, then get root and do a "shutdown -h now"
22:58<alfabit>that's what i'm going to try
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22:59<weedeater64>lastlog syslog?
22:59<alfabit>and as long as fsck isn't running on the next boot it's unmounting everything properly
22:59<alfabit>that's the main one i'd worry about, & a database server if you're running one
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23:00<joe6>alfabit: i just checked the syslog and I do see entries that indicate that it is stopping some services, atleast. (or, maybe all)
23:00<Mickle>how will be "shutdown through certain time"?
23:00<joe6>alfabit: yes, fsck isn't running on the next boot.
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23:01<joe6>alfabit: so, I guess it is just a display thing then.
23:01<joe6>alfabit: thanks for your help.
23:01<alfabit>np
23:01<joe6>alfabit: are you a debian developer?
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23:01<alfabit>joe6: maybe someday...
23:01<kop>Mickle: See: man shutdown
23:01<joe6>alfabit: haha.. if you were, I just wanted to say that you guys are doing a great job. Keep it up.
23:02<alfabit>all ya gotta do to make me happy is to keep on using it. i love it too
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23:04<joe6>another question: whenever I start the system, I want some windows started automatically on some workspaces, instead of having to do this manually. Is anyone aware of a "state saving mechanism" between poweroff's.
23:04<kop>Mickle: Or: man at
23:04<kop>joe6: Depends on the window manager.
23:04<joe6>xmonad and gdm
23:04<kop>joe6: It'd be an xmonad thing then.
23:04<alfabit>In gnome: System Preferences > Startup Applications (on squeeze)
23:04<neex> can someone help me with my soundcard? i'm getting an error message "hardware initialized using guess method"... the correct driver is loaded, and sound apps seem to play sound without errors, but there is only silence
23:05<neex>i've already maxed and unmuted all the mixer levels
23:05<kop>!tell neex about alsa checklist
23:05<joe6>alfabit: i am looking for something smarter than the Startup Applications. Such as saving the terminal state? and such stuff.
23:05<neex>i've done it
23:05<neex>several times
23:06<kop>joe6: Dunno. Kde just seems to do it. (But then you've gotta not hate kde.)
23:06<kop>neex: Did you do the obvious like check that the wires are plugged in?
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23:07<Mickle>how will be "shutdown through few minutes"?
23:07<neex>yes. the card works with DSL (which uses 2.4 kernel and oss)... it even worked with debian (i track testing) once, but only once. on a reboot sound was lost again
23:07<neex>so i know the card is fine, the speakers are fine, etc
23:07<kop>Mickle: You want it to reboot after a certain time period?
23:07<kop>Mickle: That is, after being off for a certain amount of time?
23:08<Mickle>shutdown
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23:08<kop>Mickle: What part of "shutdown time" do you not understand in the man page?
23:08<alfabit>shutdown -h +15m
23:08<alfabit>he reads russian
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23:09<kop>!ru
23:09<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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23:11<Mickle>alfabit, thank you very much
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23:14<alfabit>neex: are you absolutely sure there is only _1_ soundcard in this machine?
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23:16<joe6>firefox(iceweasel) feels like the kde of yesteryears on my debian desktop. It takes up almost all the memory and is very very sluggish.
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23:16<neex>cat /proc/asound/cards returns only the one i expect, ensoniq audiopci (ens1371)
23:16<joe6>what is the most commonly used browser on debian.
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23:16<dli>joe6, iceweasal
23:16<weedeater64>I thought it was iceweasel
23:17<joe6>yes, iceweasel, i mean
23:17<dli>:(
23:17<sney>epiphany is faster, chrome is faster
23:17<weedeater64>Have you tried dillo, or any others?
23:17<sney>the chrome .deb from google.com works flawlessly
23:17<neex>alfabit: plus it's a laptop, so pretty sure
23:17<alfabit>chromium is in squeeze
23:17<alfabit>neex: have you used alsamixer?
23:17<joe6>yes, i am a bit hesitant of chrome (it feels like going to the dark side)..
23:18<neex>yep. all maxed and unmuted
23:18<sney>I wonder at what point did google switch from being not evil to being evil
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23:18<neex>i think it problem has something to do with the "hardware is initialized using a guess method" but i'm unsure what to do about that
23:18<sney>anyway, it's a good browser, it's fast, I use it
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23:19<alfabit>neex: what debian release? es1371 has always been well supported, on a laptop it might be a es1371 chip with a slight modification. maybe broken in a current kernel
23:19<neex>alfabit: testing
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23:19<joe6>sney: any other alternatives, please? such as restricting firefox memory usage?
23:20<sney>I gave up on firefox tweaking long ago, but there are probably resources online about it
23:20<alfabit>joe6: i am assuming that you are planning on leaving this firefox open for many days yes??
23:20<sney>midori is another fast alternative browser
23:20<joe6>alfabit: yes, i normally have a few windows that I continue for some time.
23:20<joe6>sney: thanks, will check out midori.
23:21<kop>sney: midori was what I was thinking was the dillo replacement. It's not in debian any more IIRC.
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23:21<sney>what's not in debian? dillo? I just checked apt for midori because I wasn't sure of the name, and it's there
23:21<sney>judd: versions dillo
23:21<judd>Package dillo on i386 -- etch: 0.8.5-4.1
23:21<sney>judd: versions midori
23:21<judd>Package midori on i386 -- squeeze: 0.2.4-3; sid: 0.2.7-1.1
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23:24<alfabit>neex: i was going to suggest checking a live cd, i saw you did that with dsl. (i like knoppix for testing) you might have a kernel incompatibility with 2.6.32. maybe run a different kernel. you might try an ubuntu 10.10 live cd, it has kernel 2.6.35. or there may be some driver-specific options you can pass when modprobing. but you'd have to dig into the documentation (unpack the linux source, it's in Documentation/sound i think) or
23:24<alfabit>find someone who had the same prob.
23:25<kop>alfabit: Last I heard it was in the linux-doc package.
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23:25<alfabit>i suppose so, if it's not coming from kernel.org
23:26<joe6>midori seems to be better than dillo.
23:26<alfabit>thx
23:26<kop>alfabit: It does come from kernel.org via the debian kernel team, who break out the docs into a separate package.
23:26<joe6>I remember dillo could not render some pages well. I am not sure if dillo of today is better.
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23:27<weedeater64>netsurf anyone?
23:28<alfabit>dillo's not going to replace your daily browser. i have problems using chrome, i have some reservations, so it's iceweasel day to day with chromium installed as a secondary. for testing, since it's going to render pages like chrome.
23:28<neex>alfabit: part of the problem is the laptop is like 10+ years old, so not many modern distros will run on it. DSL and Debian are the only two i've gotten to boot thus far
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23:28<neex>i haven't tried knoppix yet but i'll give it a shot and see if it sheds any light
23:29<neex>ugh
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23:30<sney>neex: for what it's worth, some people running squeeze have been able to fix the "everything is normal, but no sounds come out" issue by rebuilding alsa with module assistant
23:30<joe6>and midori seems to be a hog too, when more than a few tabs are opened.
23:31<neex>tried that too, it took alsa from 1.0.21 to .23 but nothin
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23:32<neex>i'm not the only person to have this problem with this laptop, but i have yet to find a single case where someone discovered a solution and made it work
23:32<alfabit>neex: i was just going to say. es1371, i haven't seen them for a long time. but i liked them, good support. sadly good support sometimes fades in the kernel...unless you need a modern web browser and the libs to run Flash, why not just run an older debian release? Etch is solid. Old hardware likes old software. Or if lenny runs your soundcard you're not so bad off
23:33<neex>that's a thought
23:34<alfabit>just install and point to archive.debian.org
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23:35<neex>i wouldn't have thought of that... thanks for the tip
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23:35<neex>if all else fails i may go this route
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23:36<alfabit>neex: just for my own information what laptop make & model are you using? in case I see one
23:37<neex>alfabit: gateway solo 2150
23:38<kop>alfabit: Running unsupported software means you have security problems. Why run a system that you're not sure is under your control?
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23:38<neex>i'm struggling mightily to save it from the trash heap... i thought i'd have some and see what i could do with an old laptop... the answer it seems is 'not much'
23:38<neex>gotta have sound, you know?
23:39<alfabit>the other thing that might be worth doing is poking in the bios. changing things like "OS is PnP aware" and enabling "Legacy ISA" etc, or "separate IRQ for legacy ISA". just in case those help.
23:39<alfabit>no i hear ya. sound's key.
23:39<neex>kop: i don't plan on running any services off it
23:39<alfabit>kop: only because it's a laptop, not likely to be a server, and maybe he's just typing or something
23:39<joe6>apt-cache search dillo does not seem to be turning up dillo on testing.
23:40<alfabit>the latest dillo is always available from dillo.org
23:40<joe6>anyone using dillo? how do you install it? manually?
23:42<joe6>alfabit: ok, thanks. installing it manually, then.
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23:44<user01>is an invitation to my Squeeze release party offtopic or ontopic?
23:44<user01>its on the debian wiki so . . .
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23:47<kop>alfabit: If it's never on the net, that's one thing. Otherwise....
23:48<kop>alfabit: And anyway, there's very rarely a regression. The kernel devs have pleged to support old hardware so long as there's one user still using it.
23:49<neex>kop: does this mean i should file a bug report?
23:49<kop>neex: If you find it works with an older kernel and not a newer one, sure.
23:50<neex>and if it doesn't work with either?
23:50<alfabit>well you know it works with an older one, it works with dsl...
23:50<neex>well 2.4 yeah
23:50<kop>neex: Then either your hardware's broken (which I think you've ruled out) or there's something wrong with your setup.
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23:54<neex>someone actually filed a similar bug report like 8 months ago but nothing seems to have come of it
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23:54<alfabit>neex: what bug #?
23:55<neex>15450
23:55<neex>https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15450
23:55<alfabit>and you're on testing, uname = 2.6.32?
23:56<neex>yes sir
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23:59<alfabit>neex: are you testing playback using a low level tool, like aplay?
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