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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-01-29

---Logopened Sat Jan 29 00:00:28 2011
---Daychanged Sat Jan 29 2011
00:00<neex>alfabit: aplay, speaker-test, mplayer
00:00<neex>don't even get machine beeps
00:01<alfabit>and you're sure there's no hardware mixer control buttons hiding anywhere on this laptop, right?
00:01<alfabit>like a global mute near the lcd?
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00:01<neex>there is one, yes, but pushing it has no effect
00:02<sortadi>I can't use apt-mirror anymore
00:02<sortadi>I'm using version 0.4.8
00:03<sortadi>and I get this output apt-mirror: can't open index in proceed_index_gz at /usr/bin/apt-mirror line 450.
00:04<alfabit>neex: what's that "guessing" message you get? is that when you modprobe by hand, or something in dmesg?
00:06<neex>it's from alsa at boot, or when i run alsactl init... it says "unknown hardware ens1371" and some addresses ie 0x2150, then it says "hardware is initialized using a guess method"
00:06<neex>modprobe -r snd-ens1371 followed by modprobe snd-ens1371 produces no output... but if i then do alsactl init i get that message
00:08<neex>seems like i need to specify something
00:08<neex>port, irq, somethin, i dunno... i'm out of my element at this point
00:08<alfabit>hmmm, i think i'd burn a knoppix 6 disc, and an ubuntu 10.10, and boot those, just to see if it's broken in a big way.
00:09<alfabit>then you could use those autodetected settings, in the sense you're thinking...
00:09<alfabit>modprobe -v snd-ens1371 ioport=0x330 et cetera...
00:09<alfabit>the details of which will be in the well written kernel docs included with every tarball
00:10<neex>right on, this will be the next thing i try
00:10<alfabit>the other thing that jumps out at me...did you try booting this kernel (squeeze) with acpi disabled?
00:10<neex>ya
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00:11<neex>actually there's a problem with my bios and acpi
00:11<alfabit>PnPBIOS: Disabled by ACPI PNP
00:11<alfabit>PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing
00:11<neex>i get an 'un-recoverable" error
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00:11<alfabit>PCI: If a device doesn't work, try "pci=routeirq". If it helps, post a report
00:11<alfabit>that's from dmesg, and i see mine has it, too, pnp disabled by acpi...
00:12<neex>oh. but yeah, i've tried pci=noacpi
00:12<neex>and pci=biosirq
00:12<alfabit>yeah, i'd think that'd enable the same method
00:12<alfabit>and you dug through the bios already?
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00:13<neex>yeah bios is old and cruddy. i can choose for OS either win98/2k, win95 or other, and the other option is secured setup, meaning allow pnp os's to change settings or not
00:13<neex>i've tried all the permutations
00:14<alfabit>huh. well, i guess next step is the live cds, make a little chart kernel ver./distro and just put checks or X's. i hope you can get it to work.
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00:15<neex>thanks man. i appreciate your suggestions
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00:26<Rapsodius>Hi! debian recognizes my pendrive, yet doesn't make any device for it so I cant mount it
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00:28<Rapsodius>bump
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01:09<jake_>on
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01:09<weedeater64> hi jake
01:10<weedeater64>bi jake
01:10<skullbox>hello does anyone have experience compiling glib?
01:11<aflianelk>タナイ イトカ リラソチカイ チリラクチ
01:11<skullbox>configure and make were successful but make install fails after a min complaining about a shared object from gettext (which i compiled successfully right before)
01:11<skullbox>any thoughts?
01:13<aflianelk>ソクニチミカイ チミシ トラナノト
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01:14<weedeater64>ᨌᨒᨘ
01:14<aflianelk>チンイヌ
01:14<weedeater64>チンイヌ チミシ
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01:15<aflianelk>チニ・
01:15<aflianelk>
01:15<aflianelk>チリセチ
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01:17<aflianelk>モチトノ ゜シィ セナモチ チッナリヌフ、チミト
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01:47<john_>guys, anyone here have the idea on how to setup proxy settings under terminal on debian lenny
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01:51<nevyn>john_: export http_proxy='http://user:proxy@proxyhost.mydomain:port'
01:53<john_>on firefox proxy settings? is there a way i can configure the proxy settings via terminal ?
01:54<Mickle>In Debian is the XSoldier. What another games do you know in terminal?
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02:01<john_>anyone here idea on where to download environment proxy for debian firefox?
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02:15<Mickle>There is the game XSoldier in Debian. What another games do you know in terminal?
02:16<mathieumg>hello, I just setup a svn respository on a server to which I have root access (im working through ssh). the service is listening (confirmed with netstat) though I cant seem to access it from the outside. I can access webpages served through lighttp (on port 80) on the same machine (I can access ssh as well, obviously). I am not the one who setup that server initially and I am not a debian expert
02:16<mathieumg>either. I am looking for help finding why I cant access the machine remotely on that port, 3690. I do not believe the machine is behind an hardware firewall, though is there is one on the machine itself, I dont know how to find out. I can provide version information if necessary. Thanks for the help!
02:16<mathieumg>lighttpd*
02:23<Mickle>There is the game XSoldier in Debian. What another games do you know in terminal?
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02:31<Mickle>There is the game XSoldier in Debian. What another games do you know in terminal?
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02:41<Mickle>There is the game XSoldier in Debian. What another games do you know in terminal?
02:42<devil>Mickle: we read you, no need to post over again.
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02:48<fef>i setup a firewall a long time ago to do user name level filtering... i don't recall how i did it though. any ideas? i know it is iptables --something
02:51<nevyn>fef: iptables owner module
02:52<fef>aww thanks
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03:03<ayaka>babilen, ok,I find I bug when I resintall debian(oh,no),this is a translate bug,how to send picture to you,I don't how to report that
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03:24<fef>wow- i have no idea how i did this last time using owner. i have a virtual machine with host only networking (ip address 192.168.56.101) and on the host i have ip 192.168.56.1. i want to drop everything in and out except for port x owner y and interface eth0. i also need to be able to get in/out for owner d on 192.168.56.101 for application f. that same applications needs to be able to do in/out on 127.0.0.1.
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04:30<ayaka>I want know somthing about nvidia
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04:41<Tiff>http://www.nvidia.com/page/home.html
04:41<Tiff>Lots abotu nVidia.
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04:44<yang>I am getting error at boot "mount: according to mtab sysfs is allready mounted on /sys" - failed" my /etc/fstab entry is visible at http://rula.net/600
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04:51<ayaka>Tiff, no,I want the deb,the ecprience (test)one
04:53<nadir>ayaka: have a look if this helps:
04:53<nadir>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=10812+
04:53<nadir>i added a +-symbol, real link:
04:53<nadir>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=10812
04:54<ayaka>nadir, ok,thank you
04:54<nadir>hope it helps, i don't know nvidia. I think there are more how-tos in the forums how-to section.
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04:59<Arrowmaster>that post is rather old
04:59<nadir>yes.
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05:00<ayaka>who konw debian apt police ?
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05:00<Arrowmaster>you dont need module-assistant at all, using the dkms package makes it completely automatic
05:01<nadir>don't you need at minimum Squeeze for that?
05:01<Arrowmaster>yes
05:01<nadir>ok, thanks.
05:01<Arrowmaster>the nvidia stuff in lenny is probably so old that any card you bought in the last year wont work on it anyway
05:02<nadir>ah, i got one PC with a nvidia card (but it ain't supported, at the end of the day)
05:02<nadir>I used how-tos from the linked forum
05:02<nadir>and the debian-wiki.
05:04<devil>!nvidia
05:04<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
05:05<valdur55>eh. My x didn't came up with this quide
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05:05<valdur55>i installed directly and ignored gcc error - i had newer gcc
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05:07<valdur55>i have one problem
05:07<valdur55>fonts are not OK
05:07<valdur55>squeeze rc1 xfce
05:07<valdur55>rc2*
05:08<valdur55>and how install lastest xfce? (xfce4.8)
05:08<devil>valdur55: apt-get install xfce4
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05:08<valdur55>devil, i got 4.6 from there
05:09<nadir>xfce4.8, both methods mentioned here (from source and from repo) worked for me:
05:09<nadir>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=58733
05:09<nadir>for the repo you will need 64
05:09<Arrowmaster>,versions xfce4
05:09<judd>Package xfce4 on i386 -- etch: 4.3.99.2; etch-backports: 4.4.2~bpo40+2; lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; sid: 4.6.2; squeeze: 4.6.2
05:09<nadir>not worth the trouble, if you ask me.
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05:55<Frijolie>I'm new to Debian and am wondering why installing a package is requesting to uninstall half my OS: http://pastebin.com/GHW3jXHb
05:56<ayaka>babilen, I have problem,I re-install debian
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05:57<ayaka>babilen, so I lost my source.list and apt police
05:58<Yoda-BZH>Frijolie try aptitude clean before
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05:59<Frijolie>Yoda-BZH, same result
05:59<Yoda-BZH>cd /var/lib/apt && rm *
06:00<Yoda-BZH>oops
06:00<Yoda-BZH>wait
06:00<Yoda-BZH>cd /var/lib/apt/lists/ && rm *
06:00<Yoda-BZH>sorry
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06:00<Yoda-BZH>that will delete the lists files, they will be re-created when you'll aptitude update
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06:02<Frijolie>still no change
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06:05<Frijolie>did I break something?
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06:10<Yoda-BZH>hmmm
06:10<Yoda-BZH>I don't know
06:10<Yoda-BZH>I suppose not
06:11<Yoda-BZH>try aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade
06:11<Yoda-BZH>before installing your apps
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06:14<spt>hi
06:15<Frijolie>Yoda-BZH, same thing: http://pastebin.com/dFc039VG
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06:17<okidoki>i can't find details on google on enabling ssh access, neither can i find it in the man ssh
06:17<okidoki>where should i look?
06:18<Tiff>Frijolie: what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list
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06:19<Frijolie>http://pastebin.com/eaE609Hi
06:20<ompaul>okidoki: dpkg-reconfigure ssh
06:20<okidoki>ompaul: thanks
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06:21<Tiff>Frijolie: seems you have two duplicate sources for the main repos, you should fix that.
06:22<ompaul>okidoki: sorry my brain is in failure mode - apt-get install openssh-server
06:22<okidoki>ok sweet. will get to that in a bit
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06:24<Tiff>Frijolie: fixing that won't likely solve your issue btw, it seems you've installed something (gnome?) via a metapackage. Any part of it you've removed may give Aptitude the impression that the whole suite must go.
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06:25<Frijolie>Tiff, this is a fresh install
06:25<Tiff>Frijolie: aptitude keep-all
06:25<Frijolie>and I've removed a few packages which I didn't want any longer (rhythmbox, ekiga, evolution)
06:26<ayaka>who know apt::release
06:27<ompaul>Frijolie: which will remove whatever metapackage they came from - meta-packages are lots and then if you remove even one of a hundred packages the whole meta goes waway
06:28<Tiff>Frijolie: please execute the command I gave above, it will tell Aptitude not to remove the other packages.
06:28<Frijolie>Tiff, I did...and I think that solved the problem
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06:56<xun>Where is $TERM originally set? I'd like to change it to xterm-color
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06:56<ayaka>babilen, retell me about pleaseapt::release
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06:58<devil>ayaka: could you please ask the channel instead of single supporters. thanks
06:58<ayaka>devil, I did,no one answer
06:58<devil>well, hard luck.
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06:59<ayaka>devil, do know it?
06:59<devil>know what?
06:59<ayaka>devil, apt::release in the apt.conf
07:00<ayaka>devil, may be apt:release
07:00<devil>ayaka: what about it?
07:00<devil>ayaka: the way you ask your questions, no wonder noone answers :)
07:00<ayaka>devil, babilen said it can make sure you install from apt ins for squeeze
07:00<ayaka>devil, babilen said it can make sure you install from apt is for squeeze
07:01<ayaka>devil, because I only hear that from him,I don't jkonw much about it
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07:02<devil>ayaka: and what _exactly_ is the question?
07:03<ayaka>devil, it can make sure you install from apt is for squeeze,only
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07:04<devil>ayaka: sorry, i dont understand you. can you ask in the channel for your native lang?
07:04<devil>well, maybe someone else in here understands you.
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07:05<devil>the omly thing i can say is: :: is correct in apt.conf
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07:05<ayaka>devil, do you think debian-zh have people
07:05<devil>i have no idea.
07:05<ayaka>devil, and you can add apt:realse ; into apt.cong
07:06<ayaka>devil, it's a police
07:06<Tiff>ayaka: man apt_preferences 5
07:06<devil>ayaka: if so, its apt::release, not apt:release. biut i dont have it.
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07:07<ayaka>Tiff, man 5 apt.conf,I can't find it
07:07<ayaka>devil, apt::release may this,I don't remember
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07:08<commanderkeen>wondering if anyone in here can help me with a debian port install on a moto droid? (sorta related to this channel?)
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07:09<Arrowmaster>its Apt::Default-Release
07:09<ayaka>Arrowmaster, may be this
07:09<ayaka>Arrowmaster, tell me more
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07:09<Tiff>Really, this is stated in the manual page I told you to consult.
07:09<Tiff>Perhaps you should read it.
07:10<Tiff>And similar.
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07:10<ayaka>Tiff, do you know line number?
07:10<devil>ayaka: google says:
07:10<devil>To set up what is your main version of Debian you should edit the /etc/apt/apt.conf (it does not usually exist, create it if you don't have one) to contain the following line:
07:10<devil> APT::Default-Release "version";
07:11<ayaka>devil, I'm sorry,I googled,not most are ad
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07:11<Arrowmaster>put this in /etc/apt/apt.conf, APT::Default-Release "squeeze";
07:11<devil>http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html
07:11<Torsten_W>in squeeze, i would use /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/30release
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07:12<ayaka>but I should put it in /etc/apt.d/
07:12<ayaka>Torsten_W, yes
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07:13<ayaka>too thank you all,you will never know people who are afraid of englsih 's feelings
07:13<benbadge72>anyone have problems with nautilus in gnome not changing desktop background?
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07:16<ayaka>Torsten_W, but shall I update police by some cmd?
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07:20<ayaka>O have another question,I follow the http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz ,but after edited x setting,I can't into X,so I should use nvidia-xcongfig
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07:24<Tiff>ayaka: suggest manually fixing the Xorg file, since nvidia-xconfig isn't recommended.
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07:25<ayaka>Tiff, but it's too hard for me,and config compiz is the aim!
07:25<Torsten_W>in squeeze, there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf needed
07:26<Tiff>Torsten_W: this isn't true if you need to make specific tweaks manually.
07:26<Torsten_W>für nvidia it's enougth to make a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
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07:26<Torsten_W>Tiff, no specific tweaks needed
07:27<Torsten_W>x must only know, to use the driver nvidia
07:27<ayaka>Torsten_W, never mind,the compiz is the important!I just folloe the link
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07:29<Torsten_W>those options in the wiki ara standard since many driver-releases of nvidia
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07:32<ayaka>how to know package version before installed?
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07:34<Torsten_W>apt-cache policy package
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07:35<ayaka>Torsten_W, does it have aptitube way?
07:35<Yoda-BZH>aptitude show packageName
07:35<Torsten_W>or apt-chow-version | grep package
07:35<Torsten_W>grr
07:35<Torsten_W>or apt-show-version | grep package
07:36<Torsten_W>apt-show-versions | grep package
07:36<Torsten_W>now i have it
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07:37<ayaka>Torsten_W, too thank you
07:37<ayaka>devil, the reson why I ask babilen is him know chinese
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07:44<Arrowmaster>ayaka: my recommendation is to just not use compiz from debian, last time i used it i found it extremely unstable and i dont think its been updated since
07:46<ayaka>Arrowmaster, but I like beautiful desktop
07:46*Arrowmaster never found anything about compiz 'beautiful'
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07:50<Tiff>Arrowmaster: compiz works fine.
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07:51<Arrowmaster>it constantly crashed for me
07:51<BuMpIc>hi all, does anybody know where i can speak with people abot backtrack linux?
07:51<Arrowmaster>!backtrack
07:51<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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07:52<Arrowmaster>xchat seriously needs to be converted to a 3.0 quilt package if it isnt already, and the patch that makes this the default network and channel be put in the debian specific patch queue so it doesnt get applied when other distros copy it
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07:58<dominick>Hi! Juk doesn't play cds. is there a nice music player which can play cds?
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07:59<xun>When I ssh to my server it displays info regarding mail and lastlogin, where is that defined?
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08:00<Torsten_W>dominick, audacious?
08:00<dominick>xun, /etc/motd
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08:01<xun>no, that only contains static content
08:01<xun>Im thinking of "No mail." and "Last Login:"
08:02<xun>which is generated from some cmds
08:02<Arrowmaster>pam does that
08:02<Arrowmaster>check /etc/pam.d/sshd
08:02<xun>thx :)
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08:03<xun>aha, I see
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08:04<xun>how about when you recive mail and it pop ups in whatever terminal you currently are working in?
08:04<Arrowmaster>that would be the shell checking for new mail
08:04<xun>shell as in bash?
08:05<Revan199>how to remaster debian livecd? is there any manual how to create squashfs in debian livecd
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08:06<locklace>xun: the stuff that's printed on login (before system and user shell startup scripts are executed) comes from a combination of /bin/login and pam. see /etc/login.defs and /etc/pam.d/login
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08:07<xun>oh ,nice, thx
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08:09<dominick>Torsten_W, thanks. Works great!
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08:12<Revan199>I mean this livecd's: http://live.debian.net/
08:13<biiter>hello.. how do i prevent UML disk image from corrupting when the system fails? every time i have to kill the guest sytem the data in disk image are broken and it's unable to use it again.
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08:37<CNerone>hi all, I installed squeeze. I meet problems while booting: loading kernel some row are shown, after... display become grey (blank)
08:37<CNerone>last row I can see is "[drm]..."
08:38<CNerone>I booted system several time
08:38<CNerone>and went good
08:38<CNerone>using X (gnome) I switched to console (Ctrl-Alt-Fn)
08:39<CNerone>and video switched to "blank"
08:39<CNerone>from there... no usefull boot!
08:39<CNerone>any hints?
08:40<Arrowmaster>it will probably be very useful to give details of what video card you have
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08:40<Cristianito>ola
08:41<Cristianito>Hello
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08:41<Cristianito>ola
08:41<Cristianito>hola
08:41<Cristianito>hola
08:41<Cristianito>hello!!!!
08:41<devil>stop please
08:41<devil>!es
08:41<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
08:42<Cristianito>ee¿¿¿¡¡¡¡¡¡
08:42<devil>*sigh*
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08:42<Cristianito>fucking
08:42<Cristianito>Stupid
08:42<Cristianito>I love devil
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08:44<de>eeeeeee
08:44<pidh>olaaaaa
08:45<pidh>hay alguien??
08:45<gruetzkopf>Cristianito, de, pidh , dont think we dont kow you are the same stupid moron?
08:46<pidh>capullooooo
08:46<pidh>no me importa lo que digas
08:46<pidh>adios jilipolla
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08:47<de>jajaja
08:47<de>jajajaja
08:48<de>oye pidbd
08:48<de>sjajvn
08:48<de>csbcjs
08:48<de>ckdnfc
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09:05<sweet>i want to increase my download speed than upload speed in ktorrent..any one help..
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09:07<devil>sweet: you can limit/raise speeds in the settings
09:08<sweet>@devil:ya..but it depend only in limit..u can set only maximum limit...i want my download speed always greater than upload..
09:09<devil>sweet: iirc, you can set ul and dl separately
09:10<sweet>download :no limit upload:10 kb/s than download:3 kb/s and upload:6 kb/s...i don't want that..always download>upload i want
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09:12<devil>sweet: i have upload limited to 30 and dl unlimited.
09:12<devil>this is in transmission, but i am sure ktorrent had the same
09:12<sweet>ya but see sometime upload:25 kb/s and download :5 kb/s ..i don't want that..
09:13<sweet>in your torrent
09:13<sweet>is it?
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09:15<sweet>devil:what u think..is it situation sometime
09:16<devil>sweet: well, sometimes you get more upload than downlo0ad. but you vcan limit upload
09:17<devil>but i dont think you can set a fixed ratio ul/dl
09:17<sweet>devil:ok..my dout is if i set maximum upload limit 1 kb/s than should i be able to download more than 50 kb/s..will they allow me..
09:18<devil>sweet: that is kinda unsocial.:)
09:18<sweet>devil:ya..but they will allow me or not..i want to know..
09:18<devil>sweet: and that is not how filesharing works in the long run. if everybody just takes and not give, the thing is dead
09:19<devil>sweet: i have no idea,
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09:20<sweet>ok
09:22<sweet>devil: i know that unsocial so torrent providing peer so u can band that kind of ip ..i saw some so i ask here...
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09:25<noteda>http://youtube.com/watch?v=cK5yl9t_vfc iwillrockyou
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09:30<sweet>noteda:what like explain...
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09:32<devil>sweet: spam
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09:32<sweet>devil:thanks
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09:35<sweet>what the use of tracker..in torrent
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09:40<ayaka>how to do this open a fold in nautiles and be a root nautiles -gksu no effect
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09:41<gouki>ayaka, gksu nautilus
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09:41<ayaka>gouki, yes I installed,but no effect
09:41<gouki>ayaka, the gksu is used before the graphical application you want to open as root.
09:42<ayaka>gouki, I used it in ubuntu
09:42<gouki>ayaka, did you use "nautiles -gksu" or "gksu nautilus" ? And it's nautilUs not nautilEs
09:42<ayaka>gouki, nautiles -gksu
09:42<gouki>Do what I said then, ayaka.
09:43<ayaka>gouki, but I want do as nautiles -gksu
09:44<gouki>ayaka, good luck with that then.
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09:44<ayaka>gouki, no way yo achieve?
09:44<ayaka>gouki, no way to achieve?
09:45<devil>ayaka: you can write your own OS, then yes.
09:45<ayaka>devil, but why ubuntu can?
09:45<Arrowmaster>no it cant
09:45<devil>ayaka: i dont know nor care
09:46<devil>ayaka: you can start apps as root from a root terminal as well
09:46<ayaka>devil, I want to do this when I right click,be a root in nautiles
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09:47<devil>ayaka: i have never seen nautilus
09:47<smacnay>Is there a preferred removable media catalogue program. So far I have found disksearch (which is apparently obsolete), Gnome Catalogue, and GWhere. Are there others?
09:47<ayaka>gouki, in ubuntu,you can be a root to open a folder ,but right click then select as root open
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09:49<babilen>smacnay: cross-post! :-p (and 1 millisecond google: http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/127174)
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10:11<bighornram>disabled ipv6 and now seeing Setting kernel variables ...error: "net.ipv6.bindv6only" is an unknown key failed. do i need to fix this? i fing many googles abbout it but inconsistent
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10:14<grummund>what's the compliment to a backup MX? ... primary MX?
10:14<vzweije>grummund: yes.
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10:19<grummund>ok, thanks.
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10:26<noteda1>http://youtube.com/watch?v=cK5yl9t_vfc iwillrockyou
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10:28<gring>hi
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10:29<AgentC>Hi! :-)
10:29<rpetre>bighornram: it's in /etc/sysctl.conf , i guess, and the warning is harmless
10:31<bighornram>rpetre: thanks
10:32<gring>I had a big trouble to use a WLAN stick in Debian Squeeze...
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10:34<AgentC>hey, gring, may be under windows it is possible to scan drivers by ms-net but how to install it under windows i think there is a change in networkconfig files neccessary, dont know, i dont use wlan
10:34<ayaka>who know compiz,I need debian wiki it cause problem
10:34<AgentC>babilen: could you help gring ?
10:35<AgentC>!wlan
10:35<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
10:35<babilen>AgentC: no
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10:37*AgentC have visit from friend, he's on the same intra-network at his own netbook
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10:38<bighornram>rpetre: will changing the net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 setting to 0 repair this? Is this the setting the system is complaining about?
10:38<rpetre>bighornram: no, the setting no longer exists if ipv6 is disabled
10:38<rpetre>so you may want to comment it
10:39<rpetre>or just leave it in and ignore the complaint
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10:40<bighornram>rpetre: thus the comment in bindv6only.conf is the source of the complaint? disabling ipv6 causes this setting to not be needed and thus is unknown to the kernel...
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10:41<rpetre>yeah, so when you try to set it, it complains it does not exists
10:41<bighornram>rpetre: :)
10:41<rpetre>the meaning of the setting is irrelevant to you
10:42<rpetre>it's not that it's not needed, it no longer exists
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10:42<bighornram>rpetre: thanks for the clarification.
10:42<rpetre> /proc/sys/net/ipv6 is no longer there, so all attempts to set something there are going to throw warnings
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10:43<rpetre>in your case, it's completely irrelevant what you are trying to set it to, just that you try it :)
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10:44<bighornram>rpetre: thanks. commented it out, rebooting for the test. :D
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10:51<anant>can any one throw some light how to create deb pacakges of wine install's. simmilar to picasa packages
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11:07<jesus>hola
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11:10<laurus>I am encountering a bug with qemu-kvm on Squeeze. I am unable to resume from suspending without running "sudo rmmod kvm_intel" before suspend. How can I find what the problem is to document it?
11:10<jesus>hola
11:10<jesus>hola que haces me llamo jes
11:10<Black_Prince>!es
11:10<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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11:23<jhutchins_lt>laurus: It's better to pick one server and post your problem there. At best you get confusion if you get responses on both servers trying to help you.
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11:25<laurus>jhutchins_lt, oh sorry :(
11:28<laurus>Anyway, what should I do?
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11:44<anita>holaa
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11:46<Black_Prince>!es
11:46<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:46<Black_Prince>:/
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12:15<luca_>hi all, someone knows voyage-linux?
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12:21<Tiff>!voyage
12:21<dpkg>Voyage Linux is a distribution <based on Debian> targetted for x86 embedded platforms. Supported via mailing list. http://linux.voyage.hk/ Not supported in #debian.
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13:12<Frijolie>I cannot get my USB HDD to mount/automount...it's detected in dmesg as sdb
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13:31<HarrisonFord>when my computer comes back from Suspend, I would like it to ask a password. How do I do that ?
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13:34<babilen>HarrisonFord: gnome-screensaver can be configured to do that. Check its preferences.
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14:04<sentinel>Hey, peoples!
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14:12<anant>hi sentinel
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14:24<sentinel>In debian squeeze have module heci for manage intel hardware chipsets?
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14:26<amphi>sentinel: modprobe -l | grep heci shows nothing
14:26<babilen>sentinel: I have never heard of a "heci" module. What should this be for?
14:27<sentinel>On my motheboard Intel GL 960 on notebook high themperature, fan worked periodical, all not managed from lm-sensors. I have one sensors for Intel - coretemp, fan sensors is blank.
14:27<sentinel>Who can help me?
14:28<babilen>Do I understand you correctly that you would like to get lm-sensors working with your hardware, but it seems as if lm-sensors does not work with your hardware?
14:29<amphi>sentinel: what kind of laptop? on mine, the fan rpm can be read from /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_hwmon/fan1_input
14:29<sentinel>Lm-sensors not support my hardware from Intel GL 960.
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14:29<sentinel>Sorry!
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14:29<sentinel>My laptop: Acer Extensa 5220.
14:29<amphi>sentinel: works here, although the sensors are not labeled
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14:30<amphi>it also shows the fan rpm
14:30<amphi>sentinel: you could try: find /sys -name 'fan*'
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14:32<sentinel>I current work in MS Windows. thinkpad_hwmon - worked for IBM, not worked on my Acer Extensa 5220 Intel GL960 chipset.
14:32<jhutchins_lt2>sentinel: I think it's managed by APCI.
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14:32<sentinel>I find /sys -name 'fan*' - this parametr in my system is blank.
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14:33<amphi>sentinel: is the fan module loaded there?
14:33<jhutchins_lt>sentinel: the sensors modules are only for reporting, they don't control anything.
14:33<sentinel>On lm-sensors hardware letters: Intel support onle OpenAMT project.
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14:35<sentinel>What fan module? Hmmmm, tomorrow i intall linux and see.
14:35<Alex_>All: I have recently got a 3-Button Serial mouse and used it on my computer with windows (That computer i do not own anymore, i sold it), and it worked ok, i pluged it into my new Debian Squeeze comp and it didn't work, has anyone a idea how can i get it to work?
14:36<sentinel>Thnk!
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14:36<amphi>sentinel: modprobe fan ;)
14:37<sentinel>After installing LInux fan module loaded automate, after modprobe fan my /fan0/ - is blank. I tommorow see.
14:37<kop_>Alex_: You may have to make a xorg.conf entry for it.
14:38<valdur55>How install ubuntu notify-osd on debian?
14:38<Alex_>kop_: I tryed that, it didn't work
14:38<kop_>Alex_: Start by looking at /var/log/Xlog to see what X thinks. You could also pastebin it for us to look at.
14:38<sentinel>Sorry across my poor english!
14:38<Alex_>kop_ Ill try
14:38<amphi>sentinel: does find /sys -name 'fan*' show anything now?
14:39<amphi>sentinel: what is your default language?
14:39<kop_>valdur55: That sounds like a really bad idea. Is that a package?
14:39<jordanm>valdur55: you really don't want to. it exists in unstable but ubuntu adds custom patches to many applications to use it
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14:39<kop_>valdur55: Instead, you could tell us what it is you're trying to do.
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14:39<sentinel>Yes only /fan0/.... directory, all parameters in this directory is blank.
14:40<amphi>:(
14:40<sentinel>Directory is blank.
14:40<valdur55>ubuntu nodify-osd
14:40<kop_>valdur55: ?
14:41<valdur55>it is notify bubblees
14:41<jhutchins_lt>!ubuntu
14:41<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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14:41<kop_>,versions notify-osd
14:41<judd>Package notify-osd on i386 -- sid: 0.9.23-2
14:41<anant>check LMDE i think they did install ubuntu osd on top of debian
14:41<anant>or you got the response from judd
14:41<sentinel>All they say not solved this problem. I find only one mention on Intel QST SDK project for manage Intel hardware.
14:42<kop_>valdur55: You can either wait for it to get into backports or you can backport it yourself from sid.
14:42<kop_>!tell valdur55 about ssb
14:42<jordanm>kop_: its pointless, ubuntu diverges from upstream with patches to support their lame "standard"
14:42<jordanm>kop_: each application that uses it needs to be patched for support
14:42<kop_>jordanm: If it's in sid, maybe it works.
14:43<kop_>jordanm: I see. So it might work, but no apps would use it.
14:43<jordanm>kop_: with a very select view squeeze packages
14:43<jordanm>kop_: yes
14:43<jordanm>s/view/few/
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14:43<kop_>valdur55: You're out of luck.
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14:46<valdur55>kop_, i will install it from sid :)
14:46<valdur55>unstable system is not problem
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14:49<valdur55>oh! it is ok!
14:50<valdur55>but. one problem :) sound manager
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14:50<jthill>haha. world's ugliest dpkg/info defragger, but it works great.
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14:51<jthill>needs ext4. mount /var writeback. mkdir /var/lib/dpkg/info.new
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14:52<jthill>tar cCf /var/lib/dpkg/info - . | tar xCf /var/lib/dpkg/info.new -
14:53<jthill>mv them around, done. aptitude starts in two seconds.
14:53<jthill>don't forget the sync like I just did.
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14:56<ram0>Cheers all. What do I need to contvert an .rm (RealPlayer) video file to a free format? My installation (lenny) of ffmpeg does not recognize it as input.
14:56<sentinel>amphi: my default language is russian.
14:56<amphi>~ru
14:56<amphi>!ru
14:56<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
14:57<amphi>maybe that will be of use
14:57*ram0 asks dpkg too.
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14:57<sentinel>I knov!
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14:59<sentinel>On irc.freenode.net poor support. I find good support only on #arch jabber.ru.
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15:34<ComradeHaz`>Hi all. I wish to PXE boot an Ubuntu machine from a Debian server. Is there anyone who is in a position to assist me with this?
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15:41<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: for what purpose?
15:42<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: If you're booting with PXE it shouldn't matter what's on the machine.
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15:45<rpetre>the debian part is only what tftp server you install (i recommend the -hppa flavour)
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15:49<jhutchins_lt>!lart ComradeHaz`
15:49*dpkg does a little 'renice 20 -u ComradeHaz`'
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16:30<Tekla>is there a way to see which kernel module is using how much cpu?
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16:31<EvilTwin>hi guys
16:32<EvilTwin>I have a heavily loaded system, but I'm unable to find the current bottleneck
16:32<EvilTwin>in top, %sy is using 50% most of the time
16:32<devil>EvilTwin: htop could give a first clue
16:32<EvilTwin>can i see which part of system is using cpu?
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16:33<zac1256>i am using back track 4 r2
16:33<jthill>!tell zac1256 about backtrack
16:33<zac1256>ok
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16:34<EvilTwin>devil, what should I look out for?
16:34<EvilTwin>in htop
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16:35<zac1256>jthill what about back track 4
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16:38<EvilTwin>nothing stands out in htop apart from my user processes which are using about 20% in total
16:38<devil>EvilTwin: for whatever process uses most cpu
16:38<EvilTwin>but no clue why system% is so high
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16:42<pundit>i have installed troff by compiling. how can i make the manpages to be viewed with troff instead of groff?
16:42<kva>hello, all
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16:43<devil>pundit: did you use checkinstall?
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16:46<kva>well, I'll try to state my problem, I am using bleeding-edge debian squeeze on intel using amd64 packages, on SOME windows like skype call and SOME sites in iceweasel I have bug with horizontal stripes appearing
16:46<kva>any ideas who could need some details for solving it?
16:47<devil>kva: squeeze is not bleeding edge :) what graphics card?
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16:48<kva>00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
16:49<kva>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
16:49<kva> Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Device 0459
16:49<kva> Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 28
16:49<kva> Memory at d0000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4M]
16:49<kva> Memory at c0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
16:49<kva> I/O ports at 50f0 [size=8]
16:49<kva> Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled]
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16:50<kva>well, no more details
16:50<kva>devil: that's interesting?
16:51<devil>kva: well, its intel.
16:52<kva>well. ouff, I knew it
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16:52<kva>btw I installed from squeeze but I am using sid
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16:53<devil>kva: there might be issues with KMS. i am not sure if its mandatory for 2.6.32
16:53<kva>wait
16:53<devil>kva: i am using 2.6.32, so i cant really tell
16:53<Tekla>if a module compiled into kernel eats cpu does that show up in top / htop?
16:53<devil>err, i am using 2.6.37...
16:53<kva>yeah, that's 2.6.32
16:54<kva>any ideas where I can get binaries to update to 2.6.37?
16:54<kva>like using apt, without compiling?
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16:56<devil>kva: its in experimental
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17:00<kva>ty, will try it
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17:01<Tekla>still looking for a way to see what's using cpu
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17:12<devil>Tekla: doing any copy jobs?
17:12<devil>Tekla: maybe look at iotop?
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17:15<Tekla>seems to be nfs
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17:16<Tekla>any idea how to make it less intensive?
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17:18<devil>Tekla: i faintly remember an issue. maybe google for it. i think it was a prob with a certain version
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17:18<Tekla>thanks
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17:21<reklipz>Debian Squeeze doesn't yet use udev for X, correct?
17:21<reklipz>Still using HAL, I mean, right?
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17:21<Torsten_W>no
17:21<Torsten_W>squeeze is using udev
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17:24<corvus_corax>dpkg: hi
17:24<dpkg>salut
17:24<corvus_corax>dpkg: any questions for me today ?
17:24<reklipz>Torsten_W: squeeze is, but X isn't, correct?
17:24<dpkg>corvus_corax: I give up, what is it?
17:25<babilen>reklipz: Xorg uses udev
17:25<devil>reklipz: X in squeeze is
17:25<Torsten_W>so it is
17:25<reklipz>Where is the xorg.conf.d snippets dir then?
17:25<corvus_corax>dpkg: its kinda green and shaped, guess ?
17:25<dpkg>corvus_corax: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
17:26<devil>reklipz: you need to touch it
17:26<reklipz>oh...
17:26<reklipz>badass
17:26<babilen>reklipz: What do you mean?
17:26<corvus_corax>dpkg: no hints.
17:26<dpkg>corvus_corax: are you smoking crack?
17:26<devil>reklipz: xorg.conf is not needed unless you use prop. drivers
17:26<corvus_corax>dpkg:im dunno
17:26<dpkg>corvus_corax: I give up, what is it?
17:26<babilen>corvus_corax: Please don't abuse the bot (or do so in private)
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17:26<reklipz>I am trying to setup a Wacom tablet, using the linuxwacom drivers
17:26<corvus_corax>kk
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17:27<corvus_corax>babilen: are you a bot too ?
17:27<Torsten_W>reklipz, /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ is there
17:27<devil>reklipz: mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
17:27<reklipz>:)
17:27<devil>and put intere or mv in there wahat you need
17:27<babilen>reklipz: You probably want to install xserver-xorg-input-wacom and configure it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (if necessary) there might be a /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-wacom/README.Debian
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17:30<reklipz>Hmm, I already had that installed. Let me restart and see what happens
17:30<rah>I have a problem with an init script that isn't running when rebooting
17:30<rah>I have the following:
17:30<rah>rah@myrtle:~$ grep "^# Default-" /etc/rc6.d/S01temperature-events
17:30<rah># Default-Start: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6
17:30<rah># Default-Stop:
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17:30<babilen>*sigh*
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17:31<babilen>!tell rah -about paste
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17:31<rah>can anyone help?
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17:32<Black_Prince>I am not sure, but I think sysvinit runs /etc/init.d/script stop when entering runlevel 6
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17:33<luca_>!squeeze
17:33<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.
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17:36<ompaul>rah: just to understand your query, you are saying that a script does not start when rebooting - I would have thought you would expect it to shut down during a reboot and only come back a few seconds later during the next boot
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17:36<rah>nevermind
17:37<reklipz>babilen: the only thing in my xorg.conf is a bit of config for the NVIDIA proprietary video driver; my mouse and keyboard are handled automatically (by evdev, I think).
17:37<rah>from the policy manual: "The two runlevels 0 (halt) and 6 (reboot) are slightly different. In these runlevels, the links with an S prefix are still called after those with a K prefix, but they too are called with the single argument stop."
17:37<reklipz>Should I do the same with my tablet?
17:37<Black_Prince>So I was right?
17:38<babilen>reklipz: I don't know how to configure a wacom tablet, because I never had the please to own one
17:38<ompaul>Black_Prince: you should have been
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17:38<babilen>reklipz: s/please/pleasure
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17:39<babilen>reklipz: You might be interested in "man 4 wacom"
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17:39<Torsten_W>reklipz, xserevr-xorg-input-wacom provides a basic /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-wacom.conf
17:39<reklipz>I
17:39<reklipz>I'll check it out
17:39<reklipz>Torsten_W: I noticed
17:39<devil>reklipz: mine is called 20-wacom.conf
17:39<reklipz>as is mine
17:39<Torsten_W>reklipz, copy it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and edit it
17:39<reklipz>Oh... I misunderstood.
17:39<Torsten_W>to your needs
17:40<reklipz>I'm such an idiot.
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17:40<babilen>reklipz: huh?
17:40<reklipz>I thought it was automatically sourcing the /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d dir for some reason..
17:40<Torsten_W>reklipz, if i where you, i would even kill /etc/X11/xorg.conf and put the nvidia-fo to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
17:40<reklipz>Torsten_W: I will do that.
17:41<devil>reklipz: it is, but if you need to edit, mv it to /etc/...
17:41<Torsten_W>reklipz, x does source /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
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17:46<kva>well, I upgraded to 2,6,37 and I ran in the same problem I got with ubuntu
17:46<kva>black screen, system boots
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17:47<Golfgeo>Hi all
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17:47<Golfgeo>got a small question... Can I get a prompt from sudo?
17:47<kva>hello
17:48<kva>yup
17:48<kva>sudo su
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17:48<Golfgeo>great :-)
17:48<Golfgeo>uhh... wait a moment haha
17:48<Golfgeo>using a live cd... ;-)
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17:48<kva>sudo su
17:48<Golfgeo>great :-)
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17:48<Golfgeo>thanks mate :-)
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17:49<Black_Prince>or sudo -i
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17:50<reklipz>According to the man page for wacom, I need a wacom kernel driver to be loaded before the X module driver.
17:50<Golfgeo>ah :-)
17:50<Golfgeo>sudo su worked :-)
17:51<Golfgeo>will try sudo -i next time :-D
17:51<reklipz>Is this driver supplied in the Debian repos?
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17:52<kva>well, there's a wacom support
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17:52<kva>you can boot it and try
17:52<reklipz>`aptitude search wacom` lists only the xserver-xorg-input-wacom package
17:53<reklipz>kva, what do you mean a "wacom support"?
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17:56<kva>well I have old wacom tablet for like 5 years and it works
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17:57<reklipz>kva: it's connected via serial port I'll bet, no?
17:57<kva>nope. usb
17:57<reklipz>hmm
17:57<reklipz>lsmod | grep wacom
17:58<kva>make lsusb
17:58<Black_Prince>find /lib/modules | grep wacom
17:58<kva>/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/input/tablet/wacom.ko
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17:58<babilen>reklipz: "modprobe wacom" might be a good idea (or wacom_w8001 if your usbid is not listed for the module (check with modinfo))
17:58<kva>that's what I did
17:59<kva>well, so any ideas what to do with my black screen problem?
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17:59<Black_Prince>What video card?
17:59<kva>intel integrated
18:00<Black_Prince>tried with nomodeset?
18:00<Torsten_W>that would bring nothing
18:00<kva>nope
18:00<babilen>Torsten_W: You German?
18:00<Torsten_W>xserver-xorg-video-intel only depends on kms
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18:00<kva>well 2.6.32 works. 2.6.37 doesn't
18:00<Black_Prince>or vesa ... but performance is bad
18:00<Torsten_W>Black_Prince, yes
18:00<Torsten_W>grr
18:00<Torsten_W>babilen, yes
18:00<Black_Prince>What?
18:00<babilen>hehe
18:00<Black_Prince>oh
18:01<kva>problem is before X
18:01<Torsten_W>kva, cat /proc/cmdline
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18:01<kva>BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 root=UUID=ff05c10b-20c2-4456-a92b-b97ea0524eac ro quiet
18:02<Black_Prince>anyways, how did you installed 2.6.37 kernel?
18:02<Torsten_W>kva, so, boot is black and then x starts?
18:02<kva>2.6.37 boots, but no splash, only sound of skype connected
18:02<reklipz>babilen: none of the modules listed by find /lib/modules | grep wacom show support for my product id
18:02<kva>yes, but screen is completely black after grub
18:02<Torsten_W>kva, and in x?
18:02<kva>Black_Prince: from the repository
18:03<Torsten_W>then the screen comes up visible?
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18:03<reklipz>ls
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18:03<babilen>reklipz: Oh, are you sure? What is the usbid?
18:03<kva>no. no visible screen
18:03<kva>at all
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18:03<reklipz>New USB device found, idVendor=056a, idProduct=00d4
18:03<babilen>reklipz: https://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/USB (fwiw)
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18:03<Torsten_W>kva, it could be, you also need libdrm from experimental
18:04<reklipz>056a:00d4
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18:04<kva>well, I don't want to break anything while it works
18:04<babilen>reklipz: alias: usb:v056Ap00D4d*dc*dsc*dp*ic*isc*ip* (in modinfo wacom)
18:04<reklipz>that on sid?
18:04<kva>and well, why I can't get any splash screen?
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18:05<babilen>reklipz: That is 2.6.37 (sorry, should have mentioned that) -- not there in 2.6.32 ?
18:05<Torsten_W>because bootsplash is crap?
18:05<Black_Prince>I have intel integrated card
18:05<reklipz>not in 2.6.35
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18:05<reklipz>err
18:05<reklipz>2.6.32
18:06<babilen>reklipz: Well, I guess you know what you have to do now ;) -- 2.6.37 is in experimental
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18:06<kva>well me too
18:06<Black_Prince>And I got splash working by adding 'i915.modeset=1' in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and editing /etc/default/grub to change GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
18:06<reklipz>hehe, I'll try building the kernel module first
18:07<Black_Prince>Then ran update-initramfs -u and update-grub ...
18:07<babilen>reklipz: You have the module though, don't you?
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18:07<reklipz>babilen: correct
18:07<babilen>reklipz: I mean a standard Debian kernel comes with the module. It just looks as if you need a newer kernel.
18:07<reklipz>babilen: linuxwacom project provides a tarball for building the module
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18:07<babilen>reklipz: Against 2.6.3* kernel?
18:07<reklipz>babilen: yesir
18:08<babilen>reklipz: Ah, that makes sense. Pray continue :)
18:08<reklipz>http://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxwacom/files/xf86-input-wacom/input-wacom/input-wacom-0.10.10-1.tar.bz2/download'
18:08<reklipz>Agh, stupid sf.
18:09<reklipz>babilen: how difficult would it be to dist-upgrade to sid, or use the 2.6.37 kernel?
18:09<babilen>reklipz: You are using squeeze now, aren't you?
18:09<reklipz>babilen: yes
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18:11<reklipz>sweet!
18:11<babilen>reklipz: You can easily set squeeze as default release (APT::Default-Release "squeeze"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf) and add experimental to your sources list. You can install the newer kernel with "aptitude -t experimental install linux-image-2.6.37-trunk-amd64" then. I would recommend trying to compile the module first though.
18:11<babilen>reklipz: What is sweet?
18:11<reklipz>new module works
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18:11<babilen>reklipz: Wonderful :)
18:12<babilen>No need for experimental then :)
18:12<reklipz>I'll keep it in mind though; I've never been very fond of apt pinning
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18:13<babilen>it basically boils down to pinning anyway (or rather adjusted priorities)
18:13<reklipz>do I need to do anything to ensure the module is loaded at boot?
18:13<reklipz>yeah, now that I think about it, it's not really pinning (not a single package)
18:13<babilen>reklipz: You could add it to /etc/modules if it is not automagically loaded
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18:14<reklipz>Is there a userspace tool to manage this?
18:14<babilen>manage what? which modules are loaded? the content of /etc/modules? wacom tablet configuration?
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18:14<reklipz>content of /etc/modules
18:15<babilen>reklipz: I prefer "vim"
18:15<reklipz> /modules loaded at boot
18:15<reklipz>hehe
18:15<reklipz>echo >>
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18:16<mateusz>Hi
18:16<mateusz>is initramfs-tools broken in sid
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18:17<reklipz>alright, thanks folks; back to idling
18:17<mateusz>update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-2.6.37
18:17<mateusz>subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
18:17<mateusz>any help ?
18:17<devil>mateusz: worked fine here today
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18:18<mateusz>here it does not
18:18<babilen>mateusz: Shouldn't that be "initrd.img-2.6.37-trunk-amd64" ? (Assuming you are using a Debian kernel)
18:18<mateusz>no
18:18<mateusz>self compiled package
18:18<babilen>no?
18:18<mateusz>with make-kpkg
18:18<babilen>Ah, ok ..
18:18<mateusz>worked fine
18:18<mateusz>before upgrading initramfs-tools
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18:20<kva>nope, Black_Prince it doesn't work
18:20<Black_Prince>cat /proc/cmdline ?
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18:21<kva>BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 root=UUID=ff05c10b-20c2-4456-a92b-b97ea0524eac ro quiet
18:21<kva>this one works
18:21<Black_Prince>You need to add 'splash' boot argument to grub cmdline
18:22<devil>mateusz: i am quite sure i would know if initramfs-tools was broken in sid
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18:23<kva>2.6.37-trunk-amd64/
18:23<Black_Prince>BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 root=UUID=f71c4ed4-e690-46d8-800b-2b84fc56c7b8 ro quiet splash
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18:23<Black_Prince>It should be like this
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18:24<kva>well. for 2.6.32.5 it works perfectly, I am talking from there
18:24<kva>but for 2.6.37-trunk-amd64 it doesn't
18:24<kva>I had same problem with ubuntu
18:25<kva>so tear me apart but give me an idea why it happens?
18:25<Black_Prince>I do not use 2.6.37 kernel
18:25<Black_Prince>So I cannot tell
18:25<Black_Prince>Anyways I tried liquorix kernel today, it worked very well
18:26<kva>well, initial problem wasn't it :-)
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18:26<devil>2.6.37 in general is fine
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18:26<devil>even though it has issues with some intel chips
18:26<kva>the problem isn't in the kernel it is somewhere in default parameters
18:26<Black_Prince>I am compiling 2.6.37 kernel right now, using debian .config file but with timer frequency 1000Hz
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18:27<kva>I won't blame the kernel because I haven't compiled it
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18:29<kva>but well, if you say that it works... i got it from experimental as suggested by devil
18:29<Black_Prince>I did not use one from experimental, I used from liquorix ...
18:29<devil>kva: i am not using the one from there but its confirmed by users that it works
18:30<jhutchins_lt>.37's supposed to be pretty buggy.
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18:30<mateusz>devil, where to check dpkg log?
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18:30<jhutchins_lt>,kernels
18:30<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-trunk-686 (2.6.37-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
18:30<devil>jhutchins_lt: regarding intel, for some chipsets, yes
18:30<mateusz>devil, I mean to check what is happening why this is failing to upgrade?
18:30<jhutchins_lt>.35 was rough too.
18:30<devil>mateusz: the postinst is failing with your kernel.
18:30<Black_Prince>I have ICH5 chipset, and 2.6.35 worked fine
18:31<mateusz>devil, I was not able to upgrade initramfs-tools
18:31<mateusz>devil, oh so its kernel fault?
18:31<mateusz>devil, shall I remove that kernel?
18:31<Black_Prince>And 2.6.37 also
18:31<devil>mateusz: i do not know, but i would know if initramfs-tools was broken
18:31<mateusz>devil, the thing it worked before
18:32<mateusz>devil, let me do some tests or downgrade it
18:32<devil>mateusz: i woulkd try a debian kernel to confirm
18:33<mateusz>devil, 2.6.37 from experimental ?
18:33<jhutchins_lt>I've heard that there are performance issues with them too, perhaps due to debug code.
18:33<devil>mateusz: for example
18:34<mateusz>Failed to create initrd image. dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.37-trunk-amd64
18:34<devil>mateusz: but any other will do
18:34<mateusz>Ahh... E: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/plymouth failed with return 1
18:34<mateusz>maybe plymouth is messed up
18:34<Black_Prince>mateusz
18:34<Black_Prince>run with update-initramfs -uv
18:34<devil>mateusz: ah, no plymouth for me.
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18:35<mateusz>oh
18:35<mateusz>it was plymouth
18:35<mateusz>I upgraded that one to experimental and now it workes
18:36<mateusz>I know I shouldn't use exp.. but somehow it was needed for plymouth :|
18:36<kva>well, maybe you guys shall tell a word to ubuntu developers
18:36<kva>because they have the same problem
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18:36<Black_Prince>MODPOST 2760 modules
18:36<Black_Prince>how long it shall take to do this on a 600MHz PIII ?
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18:37<u13>Hi, I have debian-linux-pc with two networkinterfaces. eth1 is connected to my LAN, eth2 crossover to a windows-pc. No bridge, no routing or nat between the two interfaces. the only thing I want is a portforewarding for rdesktop: If I connect with a pc in my LAN to the IP of the deian-pc on a given Port, it should be forewarded to the IP and RDP-Port of the Windows-Pc on eth2. Does one know how I can do this with iptables?
18:38<mateusz>devil, thanks for help !
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18:38<pundit>devil checkinstall did not work for this troff version
18:38<pundit>* i have installed troff by compiling. how can i make the manpages to be viewed with troff instead of groff?
18:38<Black_Prince>u13 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=port+forwarding+with+iptables
18:38<devil>pundit: i dont see what the version has to so with it
18:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 468] by debhelper
18:39<pundit>devil for some reason checkinstall could not produce a package out of the source
18:39<pundit>which happens sometimes
18:39<witte>pundit: I think you have to set the pager to troff with update-alternatives, but I'm not sure
18:40<devil>pundit: even though i do not like checkinstall, that would make me suspicious
18:40<pundit>witte thanks, that makes sense
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18:40<pundit>devil, i know. checkinstall should work or not. i could check checkinstall :D
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18:42<u13>@Black_Prince: Ok, that was funny, and for my blame it seems to be the right search. Thanks!
18:42<witte>ls
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18:44<Black_Prince>ul3 don't mention it, I am sometimes lazy too :)
18:44<witte>pundit: check for manpager in the man manpage
18:47<pundit>witte the pager for manpages is the program "less". alternatives however are under "pager". i am not sure what you mean with manpager. but thanks in any case, as i would not have come up with pager as i knew the app to be less
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18:49<u13>@Black_Prince: OK, I've read a dozen of them, all use nat. I don't use nat and don't want to. I only want to do a portforewarding. (the debian-pc is not a gateway for others!)
18:51<pundit>devil where could i turn to if i want to fix my checkinstall (suppose that it was checkinstall why i could not produce a package and not the source)
18:51<pundit>?
18:51<u13>hase someone experience with iptables?
18:51<pundit>there is no checkinstall channel..
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18:52<Black_Prince>Have you give it a try?
18:52<devil>pundit: i would first check for bugs for checkinstall. if there is none, try to reproduce the problem
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18:53<u13>nat?
18:53<Black_Prince>Rules
18:53<Black_Prince>They all go to ip address, not to interface
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18:55<u13>what rule should I give iptables to make a rdp-request forewarded to another ip if i have no nat?
18:56<pundit>devil thks
18:56<pundit>*thanx
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19:00<Black_Prince>ul3 try theese
19:00<Black_Prince>iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.50:80
19:00<Black_Prince>iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW --dport 80 -i eth1 -j ACCEPT
19:00<Black_Prince>just change input interface and destination ip
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19:02<u13>does "-t nat" implie nat?
19:03<Black_Prince>It is table nat
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19:07<u13>Hmm, ok, : If I use this to foreward from eth1 to eth2, does this open nat from eth2 to eth1? I want to isolate the pc connected to eth2, so i don't want to let him through via nat.
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19:08<acervantes>Buenas noches
19:08<Black_Prince>No
19:08<acervantes>Porque no?
19:08<Black_Prince>I was not talking to you
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19:09<acervantes>Sorry, but I don't know speak english, ok, my english is so so
19:09<acervantes>Are you speak spanish?
19:09<Black_Prince>!es
19:09<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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19:12<u13>@Black_Prince: OK, I will try it. Thanks
19:12<Black_Prince>I just looked at site from which I copied that rules
19:12<Black_Prince>Second one is wrong
19:13<Black_Prince>iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -m state --state NEW -d 192.168.1.50 --dport 80 -j ACCEPT
19:13<Black_Prince>it should be like this
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19:18<u13>Learning is just fine. I just learned that it is a bad idea to do a "iptables -F" if remotely connected .... ;-)
19:19<Black_Prince>Yeah
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19:19<Black_Prince>I just learned I should check in experimental repo before compiling something
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19:22<Black_Prince>Trouble finding / ?
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19:22<Black_Prince>Guess that means 'no'
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19:34<u13>@Black_Prince: I have no PRROUTING Chain. I think this will not appear till I activate NAT?
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19:35<Black_Prince>I do not know nothing about forwarding, I just told you to give a try to rules for nat sugested on debian administration site
19:36<u13>ok, thanks.
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19:44<u13>has someone experience with iptables?
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19:44<Black_Prince>woa what a difference
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20:00<u13>has someone experience with iptables?
20:01<jordanm_>!anyone
20:01<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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20:06<timekiller>hi
20:06<timekiller>No optical drive found.
20:06<timekiller>K3b did not find any optical device in your system.
20:06<timekiller>Solution: Make sure HAL daemon is running, it is used by K3b for finding devices.
20:06<timekiller>any idea ?
20:06<timekiller>hal is running...
20:08<nasuta>you can see the drive in konq ?
20:08<timekiller>yes
20:08<nasuta>hmm
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20:10<nasuta>timekiller: ni idea, you could try brasero, until you find the problem
20:11<timekiller>what i'm doing but k3b needed :/
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20:11<timekiller>found this http://www.mail-archive.com/blfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org/msg12135.html
20:11<timekiller>quiet new
20:12<timekiller>for me...
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20:13<nasuta>timekiller: http://www.mail-archive.com/blfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org/msg12138.html
20:13<nasuta>you try the answers?
20:13<nasuta>it is not debian, you know?
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20:15<timekiller>yes i know, in fact i found many thread about this problem but without any clear solution
20:16<timekiller>i gonna read again about setuid
20:16<timekiller>it's far...
20:16<timekiller>and the burning grou doesn't exist in my system
20:17<nasuta>sorry, cant help you
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20:28<timekiller>hum i solved the problem
20:28<timekiller>chmod 666 /dev/hdb...
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20:31<sret>ok back
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20:31<sret>anyone awake
20:32<sret>i was reading an article about stopping ddos from a cisco article, not sure if this really works but can someone take a look at it and tell me if its plausible for a home machine? thanks
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20:33<sret>the link is http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk59/technologies_white_paper09186a0080174a5b.shtml
20:33<weedeater64>Did someone say chmod, and problem? http://catcode.com/teachmod/
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20:35<weedeater64>And what's the deal here, http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/6901/valid.png
20:35<weedeater64>Ran that page through the validator, and of course it passed.. *scratching head*
20:36<weedeater64>I mean , what's the point?
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20:37<weedeater64>I'm gonna make a rant page about that one ... oh yes I am.
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20:39<weedeater64>How does ddos apply to a home machine?
20:39<sret>any ideas anyone
20:39<sret>weedeater64: well if im on irc and im being ddosed by some douchebag then?
20:39<sret>home machine as in its on dsl/
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20:40<sret>the debian box is not connected to anything else, it's a standalone machine
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20:42<weedeater64>I don't get it.
20:42<weedeater64>In order to facilitate DDoS, the attackers need to have several hundred to several thousand compromised hosts
20:42<weedeater64>Home machine a server?
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20:43<sret>weedeater64: its not a server
20:44<sret>im talking small scale ddos
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20:44<sret>howto prevent
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20:45<weedeater64>I know next to nothing of security, but I remember seeing that access list stuff on several discussions, linux related..
20:46<sret>ACLs?
20:46<sret>yeahh
20:46<sret>the cisco article taks about that
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20:59<jmarsden>sret: Cisco router ACLs and Linux filesystem ACLs (and iptables rules) are not the same thing... and your Cisco article appears very Cisco-specfic... do you actually have a DDoS issue you are trying to solve using Debian? Or are you trying to configure a Cisco router at home???
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21:02<sret>jmarsden: neither, just trying to be safe
21:02<sret>considering im on irc
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21:03<sret>jmarsden: im on verizon dsl like you are
21:03<reklipz>There's a bug in xserver-xorg-input-wacom packaged with Squeeze; it is fixed in a new release of the linuxwacom project; is it likely this will get included in Squeeze before it's released?
21:04<weedeater64>Got a router?
21:04<sret>weedeater64: of course, NETGEAR
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21:04<jmarsden>sret: The ideas in the article seem valid, if you are able to translate them from Cisco-specific commands into Linux-oriented ones. But if you know enough to do that, and feel a need for that kind of protection, you'd already have *done* that :)
21:05<sret>jmarsden: im relatively new to linux but i dont mind going through alll that to be safe if i knew how
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21:05<sret>i got tcpdump installed and iptables comes installed with debian as default
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21:06<weedeater64>I'd start with Debian specific docs, I think there is one called hardening debian.
21:06<jmarsden>sret: What did you do to protect your machines and network from DDoS before you started using Linux? Do those principles apply to your Linux machines?
21:07<sret>jmarsden: this is my first debian machine
21:07<sret>ive never dealt with ddos before
21:08<jmarsden>Then if you don't have an actual issue, and didn't worry about it before, why spend a lot of time on it now? A basic router doing NAT and (preferably) a simple iptables ruleset on your Linux machine, and you should be at least as safe as most home users are.
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21:09<sret>jmarsden: because i got this kid talking to me now, who gives me the creeps, talks about how he did netsplits on some servers and how he ddosed and what not and how he used udp.pl and ddosed a few
21:09<sret>so wanted to be on the safe side atleast on a small ddos scale
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21:10<jmarsden>Ignore him and find a better channel to talk in :) Maybe #debian-offtopic?
21:11<sret>i would still like to prevent anything
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21:11<sret>not from this kid, unlikely he would do anything to me, because he's a friend
21:12<sret>but it just struck me then
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21:12<jmarsden>If you want to really read up on security for Debian, try http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ but it is probably a bit technical for a newcomer.
21:12<kop_>sret: There's nothing you can do, ultimately. If something's soaking up your inbound bandwidth, then game over.
21:13<sret>kop_: but i should be able to atleast block this in linux
21:13<sret>i dont care what scale its coming at
21:13<kop_>sret: New to debian, you might be interested in the following:
21:13<kop_>!overview
21:13<dpkg>Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware . Ask me about <security>, <kmuto>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <volatile>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian-live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>.
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21:14<sret>what about those?
21:14<sret>ive got a debian machine up and running...
21:14<kop_>sret: You can't block it because by the time you see it you've lost your bandwidth.
21:14<kop_>sret: Those are fyi. Unrelated to ddos.
21:14<sret>sure but i can atleast prevent it from happening next time
21:14<kop_>sret: No. You'd have to take over the Internet. :)
21:15<sret>if you see the cisco article it tells you how
21:15<nvz>Can I resume packaging on this without recompiling? http://paste.debian.net/106050/
21:15<jmarsden>sret: You can type /msg dpkg security for advice from the dpkg bot about security issues... for example. Do the same for any of the topics in <> that the overview that interest you.
21:15<sret>now i just want an equivalent for linux
21:15<sret>everyone knows you cant stop a large scale ddos attack
21:15<sret>i know it, you know it
21:15<sret>but ther eis always prevewntion
21:15<sret>and i want prevention
21:15<jmarsden>sret: It tells you what your upstream ISP needs to do -- are you your own upstream? :)
21:15<sret>i dont care if i get hit and my bandwidth goes down
21:16<sret>but i should be able to atleast see what's going ona nd i should be given the choice to block it IRRESPECTIVE OF the intensity of the attack
21:16<sret>now thats wha ti want, a setup where i see and block
21:16<sret>what happens after is not in my jurisdiction, its going to happen even if i block or not
21:16<sret>getting me?
21:16<sret>:P
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21:17<sret>i mean seriously you all just sit there and take a ddos attack waiting for your ISP to do soemthing?
21:17<sret>i thought linux was so sophisticated that you could atleast block it to some extent
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21:18<sret>nobody cares if its really going to work but atleast you have everything in place to block it to some extent, this is what i was asking about
21:18<sret>a basic setup to block a small scale ddos
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21:19<sret>jmarsden: ive been through numerous articles, i just wanted an overview of it in plain english that's all:P
21:19<sret>such as the cisco one
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21:21<bones_was_here_>sret: if somebody with a big botnet and the knowhow wants to flood your connection such that it becomes unusable, only your isp can stop the attack from reaching your machine, regardless of what OS or network equipment you have
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21:21<nvz>so I guess there is nobody interested in on-topic discussion in here at this point in time?!
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21:22<bones_was_here_>you can drop all incoming and outgoing packets and still all your bandwidth will be consumed
21:22<sret>bones_was_here_: i already covered this, large scale unstoppable
21:22<weedeater64>wow
21:22<sret>nvz: this is offtopic?
21:22<bones_was_here_>sret: there's no such thing as a ddos which is both small, and successful
21:22<sret>yes there is
21:22<bones_was_here_>they are large by definition
21:22<sret>thats why you have kids on irc doing it every other day
21:23<nvz>idk all I hear being talked about is cisco, and blah blah blah.. ISPs
21:23<bones_was_here_>sret: a kid on irc can't ddos you from his home pc
21:23<jmarsden>sret: I don't think you understand what a DDoS is. This is why you seem to think you can block it locally. I'd suggest you read and try to really understand what a DDoS is, before trying to work out what you want to do about one in Debian. Maybe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack
21:23<bones_was_here_>he would need a botnet
21:23<nvz>botnets.. etc.. I don't see what any of it has to do with debian
21:23<sret>if a kid can just download a stupid script and ddos you and if you cant stop that atleast, then i guess networking needs to head to another level really..
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21:23<nvz>I do however have a relatively simple debian question being ignored
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21:24<sret>no he isnt using no bots, just a stupid script, runs it, and ddoses you
21:24<sret>and if nothing can't be done, kinda pathetic isnt it
21:24<bones_was_here_>sret: you clearly dont know what a ddos is, you should read jmarsden's link before you comment further
21:24<sret>bones_was_here_: ive read numerous article like i said above
21:25<sret>the various types, and so on from the SAN site
21:25<bones_was_here_>sret: nevertheless, your comments reveal your ignorance
21:25<sret>tell me
21:25<bones_was_here_>as has been said, a kid with a pc and a script, is not a ddos
21:25<sret>bones_was_here_: how do you deal with ddos?
21:25<bones_was_here_>sret: you disconnect your network connection and contact your ISP
21:25<sret>bones_was_here_: if he ha saccess to a server and runs the script it's a ddos if you ask me
21:26<bones_was_here_>sret: no offence, but asking you is not the definition of a ddos
21:26<nvz>ah, apparently this started out as a simple question that could have been answered "fail2ban" and became an offtopic religous debate about networks
21:26<sret>nvz: thats all i was looking for, basic prevention
21:26<sret>and somehow this turned out to be ONLY ISP CAN DO THIS
21:26<nvz>sret: yeah I backlogged..
21:27<sret>whihc i believe is bogus
21:27<sret>basic blocking should be available
21:27<sret>either one of you dont know it or you're just not telling it
21:27<nvz>sret: fail2ban is an option
21:27<sret>bones_was_here_: first off nobody said you can block DDOS COMPLETELY
21:27<sret>NOBODY
21:27<sret>you came in from nowhere and start to judge me on my knowledge in ddos?
21:27<bones_was_here_>sret: you have revealed, through your comments, your level of knowledge
21:28<sret>there;s gotta be a solution for basic prevention
21:28<Esteban>it's not distributed from one pc duh
21:28<sret>bones_was_here_: wtf is wrong with you? starting a pointless argument?
21:28<sret>Esteban: thats not what im saying
21:28<nvz>I came in from another pty to get a simple solution to a kernel version error with make-kpkg and I'm being lost in this pointless debate
21:28<sret>nvm
21:28<Esteban>ok then :-)
21:28<sret>i guess the great big solution is
21:28<bones_was_here_>sret: i didn't start it, i simply saw the channel being flooded with increasingly off-topic, and attempted to quickly resolve the situation by pointing out that what you're asking for, cannot be done
21:28<sret>disconnect your machine and wait
21:28<sret>lol
21:28<sret>fucing awesome
21:28<sret>so much for all the tlak in linux
21:29<sret>i mean really
21:29<sret>if thats the case why in the fuck do you people have iptables?
21:29<sret>really?
21:29<sret>or shorewall?
21:29<sret>why do you even monitor?
21:29<sret>or ipfilter?
21:29<sret>what is the point of these pkgs?
21:29<amphi>there's tlak in linux?
21:29<Esteban>what is this tlak?
21:29<Esteban>apt-get install tlak
21:29<bones_was_here_>sret: it doesn't matter what operating system or hardware you have, a ddos is not preventable or 'blockable' from the endpoint, period
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21:29<sret>bones_was_here_: why do you run iptables?
21:30<sret>just for bare bone blocking on a LAN?
21:30<sret>thats all?
21:30<bones_was_here>sret: i use it to forward traffic to machines on my internal networks, and to drop packets destined for ports i dont want to receive packets from the internet
21:30<Esteban>i just like writing iptables rules for fun, that is all i do it for
21:30<sret>right so LAN
21:30<sret>thats all?
21:30<bones_was_here>sret: iptables (and routing, firewalls, etc in general) are not relevant to countering ddos attacks
21:30<Esteban>i only do LAN, as i no longer work for a carrier :-)
21:31<sret>bones_was_here: well then google contradicts what you said
21:31<amphi>sret: you need to ask upstream to block ddos traffic for you; if it reaches you, it's done its job
21:31<sret>lot of them talk about basic prevention using iptables
21:31<bones_was_here>sret: google will return search results regardless of whether they're correct
21:31<sret>amphi: no linux has gotta be able to this on a basic level
21:31<Esteban>bones_was_here: indeed
21:32<sret>bones_was_here: ok im sorry, did you miss the cisco article?
21:32<amphi>sret: it's nothing to do with linux; if the ddos traffic is on the wire between you and your isp, that's it
21:32<bones_was_here>sret: no
21:32<sret>jmarsden said it wasnt relevant to a linux iptable setting
21:32<sret>bones_was_here: no?
21:32<sret>oh
21:32<sret>wait
21:32<bones_was_here>but feel free to pm me other links and i'll tell you how the steps described don't protect you from a (real) ddos (pm because this is offtopic for #debian)
21:32<sret>http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk59/technologies_white_paper09186a0080174a5b.shtml
21:32<sret>ther
21:32<sret>eread it
21:33<sret>thats cisco gtelling you exactly what i fucking asked
21:33<sret>and you said CONTACT ISP
21:33<bones_was_here>sret: yes, those are steps your ISP can take to attempt to protect you from some types of ddos attacks
21:33<sret>show me in the article where it says its for an ISP
21:33<bones_was_here>it doesn't have to for it to be the case
21:33<sret>does it say or not
21:34<sret>i dont see it in the white paper
21:34<sret>yu're just merely trying to argue
21:34<sret>and im here to get a solution
21:34<amphi>sret: the boot would appear to be on the other foot…
21:34<bones_was_here>it's not there, but as i said, that's irrelevant, and the solution you appear to be seeking, does not exist
21:34<sret>clearly cisco tells you it exists
21:34<sret>what other solution did i ask?
21:34<bones_was_here>negative
21:34<sret>i said basic prevention
21:35<sret>the article talks about protection, same damn thing
21:35<amphi>sret: don't piss off people who like to do ddos attacks
21:35<sret>just wanted it in plain english and i get all this shit frm you for it?
21:35<sret>amphi: i didnt
21:35<bones_was_here>ip networking 101: you can't prevent people sending you packets, only upstream equipment can do that
21:35<amphi>that's 'basic protection'
21:35<sret>im not a victim of it, im here to learn how to mitigate it
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21:35<bones_was_here>sret: aggression is not welcome here
21:36<sret>bones_was_here: then what is the article telling you to do?
21:36<amphi>sret: you won't learn, because you won't listen
21:36<biiter>ok i tracked down my problem with Xorg.. the trigger is suspend to ram.. after resume the Xorg is mad
21:36<bones_was_here>sret: the article explains how a provider can configure their routing equipment to protect downstream hosts, from a certain class of ddos attack
21:36<sret>amphi: what is your problem now?
21:36<amphi>sret: you are confused
21:37<bones_was_here>sret: since that is not your situation, it is not applicable to you
21:37<amphi>damn, only 27 rc bugs in testing
21:37<sret>bones_was_here: so if wanted to prevent it, if i contacted my ISP would they be able to do this just for my setting?
21:37<sney>gettin' there
21:38<amphi>sret: < amphi> sret: you need to ask upstream to block ddos traffic for you
21:38*amphi sighs
21:38<sret>"im not being ddosed"
21:38<cthuluh><OT> ok, let's not wait for the official release and install squeeze! :) </OT>
21:39<Esteban>interesting article
21:39<sret>taking a precautionary step
21:39<bones_was_here>sret: they probably could, yes, but the article describes a technique effective only against attacks where ip spoofing is involved, so it won't necessarily help you against a given ddos attack
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21:39<sret>bones_was_here: ah
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21:40<bones_was_here>sret: to completely 'block' a ddos attack, your isp would need to take steps which would at least cripple your connection
21:42<sret>o
21:42<sret>ok
21:42<sret>okthen i guess ddos prevention is out the window
21:42<sret>another thing i was told to use aptitude instead of apt-get
21:42<sret>is this because aptitude has more features?
21:42<icebrain>!tell sret about why aptitude
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21:43<weedeater64>!tell weedeater64 about why aptitude
21:43<sret>ah
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21:45<sret>ok so its a better resolution for conflicts/dependencies
21:45<sret>basically meaning it has more features than apt-get
21:45<icebrain>sret: yes, and the features they
21:45<icebrain>both have, often work better
21:45<sret>ok so apt-get doesnt hose things up or anything
21:46<Nemoder_>not if the user knows what they are doing at least
21:46<sret>an eg?
21:46<sret>how could you possibly go wrong doing an apt-get
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21:48<Nemoder_>I think one situation is if you add more sources that provide the same packages but different versions
21:50<sret>so if someone new didnt know this he would mess it up
21:50<sret>but if he used aptitude he'd save his ass
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21:51<Nemoder_>that's the general idea, aptitude's menu is also easier to navigate when problems come up
21:51<bones_was_here>you can screw up using both programs, but aptitude makes it easier to solve hard problems than apt-get does
21:53<sret>ok
21:53<bones_was_here>in some cases you aren't necessarily going to break the system, but dependencies and package versions might make it hard to configure the system exactly the way you want, and aptitude will suggest solutions it thinks are as close as possible to what you're after
21:55<sret>ok
21:55<cthuluh>apt-get is the recommended tool to upgrade from lenny to squeeze, though
21:55<sret>cthuluh: yeah says dpkg
21:55<cthuluh>oh...
21:55<sret>someone was doing an apt-get so was telling them why you should use aptitude
21:55<sret>just didnt remembver why
21:55<cthuluh>ok.
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22:13<soar>is or will libreoffice added in debian?
22:14<soar>as openoffice is in Oracle's hands, it makes sense to switch to libreoffice.
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22:15<gsimmons>soar: It's in experimental.
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22:17<soar>gsimmons: is it with sid?
22:17<sney>it's in experimental, which means the next step is for it to be in sid
22:19<soar>i see. thanks.
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22:27<biiter>how can i find out if debian has this bug reported? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/294972
22:29<nvz>biiter: check on bugs.debian.org
22:29<biiter>thx
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22:30<nvz>biiter: that bug is completely useless
22:31<nvz>that is about as useful as me telling the debian xorg developers my ass stinks when I sit around using their software too long
22:31<nvz>I can tell you right now if a bug like that were on the debian bts it would go nowhere
22:32<biiter>so what can i do about it?
22:32<nvz>uh, nothing..
22:32<nvz>computers run slow sometimes
22:32<biiter>no.. this is bug
22:32<nvz>maybe you should call a technician who knows what they are doing
22:33<biiter>what?
22:33<nvz>biiter: let me put it to you another way.. even if this were a bug... the changes from the two ubuntu versions mentioned would have no bearing on debian stable
22:33<nvz>as debian was stable, and not changed before and during all this
22:34<biiter>found it
22:34<biiter>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=564468
22:35<nvz>what you need to understand about Xorg is that its a server, and the apps that run on top are clients.. any one of them can be causing this problem, or the nvidia drivers, kernel or xorg side.. etc
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22:36<ananth123>biiter: did you also read the response provided by Bryce Harrington in the same launchpad report ???
22:36<biiter>nvz: it happens only after suspend to ram .. so there is no reason for generic app to cause it
22:36<ananth123>also the debian bug you listed is quite different from the launchpad one
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22:37<nvz>yeah I'm noticing that too
22:37<nvz>the debian bug mentions it being related to moving windows on battery power
22:38<ananth123>after using suspend
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22:38<nvz>the first thing I think is.. ok, system is on battery, chances are its throttled down, moving windows with some sort of transparency or other effects on, is going to cause that problem
22:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 447] by debhelper
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22:41<biiter>i am on AC .. when system is idle Xorg load is low.. but if i want to switch tabs in gnome-terminal it jumbs to 30% and the delay of rendering is noticible... before i suspend/resume mplayer has no problem of playing any video even 1080p, after suspend resume Xorg takes more cpu than mplayer
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22:41<nvz>biiter: sounds to me like a hardware issue..
22:42<biiter>you mean video driver?
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22:42<nvz>perhaps..
22:42<biiter>ok.. ill. try to reload the video driver
22:42<nvz>its not an xorg problem though
22:42<ananth123>biiter: did you upgrade the video driver recently ?
22:43<nvz>its related to suspend/resume which is a kernel and hardware function
22:43<biiter>ananth123: i don't know.. i run aptitude update recently
22:43<nvz>something is getting munged when that happens
22:43<nvz>I'd say its a BIOS be it the system bios or the video bios
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22:44<nvz>software may or may not have a work around or fault for that
22:45<edbian>Is there a software equalizer for Debian that works system wide?
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22:45<Wasmosy>edbian: i think you should use pulseaudio to get something like that
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22:46<edbian>Wasmosy, thanks
22:47<nvz>pulseaudio can be a bitch sometimes
22:47<Wasmosy>nvz but i dont know if you can do something like with alsa or oss ...
22:48<nvz>OSS isn't worth wasting your thoughts on, its deprecated
22:48<nvz>I've discovered no solution to it, I've been looking for something of the sort myself
22:48<Wasmosy>nvz work perfect, i use the oss 4.2 .deb
22:48<nvz>specifically a way to preamp system wide a bit more
22:48<nvz>Wasmosy: haha, well you have fun with that
22:49<nvz>OSS to me is just a legacy emulation feature of ALSA
22:49<Wasmosy>nvz works well ... better than alsa for me ... i dont have to stop my mpd to see a flash video ... and stuff
22:50<nvz>sounds like you're just an old OSS guru and don't know how to use ALSA
22:50<nvz>for me, OSS always pissed me off, I'm much happier now that ALSA is in the kernel
22:51<Wasmosy>nvz is not that ... i cant use for example .. mumble and urban terror in alsa without using pulseaudio for the mumble
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22:51<Wasmosy>nvz: with oss i can use 4 o 5 aplicattions at the same time .. without problems ...
22:51<Nemoder_>I had the same problem with ALSA, it refused to share recording devices. no problem with oss4
22:51<nvz>alsa has dmix for this purpose
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22:51<ananth123>nvz try the later version of oss.... it has improved a lot :)
22:51<Nemoder_>I setup dmix and it just locked up my apps
22:52*nvz shrugs
22:52<Wasmosy>dmix dont crack up the quality ?
22:52<Nemoder_>oss3 was pretty bad, I was loath to move to oss4 because of that but it's great now
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23:11<biiter>hmm..without modeset after wakeup the image is black :(
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23:15<Wasmosy>bittin: and use modeset ... or is something bad with it?
23:16<biiter>i wanted to reload the driver
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23:21<biiter>this looks more like it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/676413
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23:39<skullbox>are any of you running an nvidia card using HDMI to output to a tv? just curious how well the driver works and what kind of audio/video quality u get
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23:53<blarson>I'm trying to connect a keybord and mouse to a laptop using a ps2-usb converter. Laptop is running sid. Error is: usb 2-2: device not accepting address 23, error -71
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23:54<Wasmosy>blarson: the mouse is ps2?
23:54<blarson>USB port and address vary with retries, error is always -71
23:54<sney>!broken in sid
23:54<dpkg>Well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. See <sid>, <break>.
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23:55<blarson>Wasmosy: Using the supplied usb-ps2 converter pluggid into the ps2-usb converter to avoid filling more usb ports.
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23:56<blarson>The keyboard doesn't work either.
23:56<Wasmosy>blarson: ive never seen a converter like that .. google dont give something?
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23:57<sney>they tend to come with kb/mouse sets, especially the cheap ones
23:57<sney>though not as often as the reverse
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