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02:00<herbivore>hello, has anybody installed kde 4.6 on squeeze? is there a package, or is compiling required?
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02:14<amusselm>Hello... I've got a rather silly query: Is there a way to deny the use of the PC speaker to a specific user?
02:19<amusselm>I suppose I could just block execuate privilages on the 'beep' command. Most other things that use the beep use the terminal bell. Since I only need to block remote users, that could work well enough
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02:22<amusselm>There's even a helpful audio group for that! Perfect!
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02:51<hardbop200>does anyone have a recommendation for a tiling window manager to use within gnome? I like the gnome environment, but I have a large monitor and like the organization of tiling. there are a few out there, so I'm looking for suggestions as to which to try first :)
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03:40<zlatan>hi to all...where to find skype package for 64-bit Debian Squeeze?
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03:43<devil>zlatan: skype offers no 64-bit version
03:44<devil>zlatan: you will need ia32-libs
03:44<zlatan>devil:I have that
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04:03<sentinel>Greetings to all! Today has established XUBUNTU 10.10. My laptop Acer Extensa 5220, Intel GL960 chipset.
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04:03<sentinel>amphi: Greetings!
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04:06<babilen>sentinel: You might want to tell #ubuntu and not #debian. I would recommend installing Debian though ):-)
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04:06*devil acks that.
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04:08<sentinel>I will forgive pardons, but the given problem the general both for Ubuntu and for Debian. I want to pay only your attention to the given problem as the given problem don't solve already throughout several years.
04:09<devil>sentinel: is there a corresponding bugreport in debian?
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04:11<sentinel>Some years! It is too much! Why not to write the separate universal module for lm-sensors for management of power consumption and management of the fan of the processor for platforms Intel?
04:11<devil>sentinel: excuse me for not knowing what the problem is. do you have a bug number for thqat?
04:12<devil>that sounds like it would be a wishlist bug
04:13<devil>did you file one?
04:14<babilen>sentinel: Two questions: 1. Are you using Ubuntu or Debian 2. What is the exact problem?
04:14<sentinel>devil: The given problem takes place to be in all ÄÉÔÓÒÉÂÕÔÉ×ÁÈ LInux, I address to you as to professionals. The given problem in bug-reports many distribution kits. I established one year ago Debian Lenny, the given problem was present and there. Yesterday you promised to help me. Also it is necessary ÔÒÏÌÌÉÔØ on a theme ah at you Debian so go to a bottom. Not professionally.
04:15<devil>sentinel: is there a debian bugreport? if not, please file one.
04:15<sentinel>1. I using Xubuntu 10.10. Debian Lenny i use one year later, this problem have one year later.
04:16<babilen>sentinel: Excuse me, but I don't understand what you are saying. You also seem to have an encoding problem ("ÄÉÔÓÒÉÂÕÔÉ×ÁÈ")
04:16<devil>yes, same here, not fully understanding.
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04:16<EmleyMoor>Is there anything in Debian that can be used to take a backup of a Nokia N97?
04:16<babilen>sentinel: So, what do you use *right now*? And may I ask you what your native language is?
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04:18<babilen>EmleyMoor: There are some "phone management" applicatation (apt-cache search nokia (and other related search terms)) but I am not sure if they can be used to perform a full backup.
04:18<sentinel>I yet haven't answered your question, and you already ask about ÍÅÍ a native language. So on what of your questions you order to me to answer? On all at once or we awake consistently to assort a problem?
04:18<EmleyMoor>Damn - mine needs to be sent for repair - will have to use the Windows box
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04:19<devil>sentinel: you are saying exactly nothing.
04:20<babilen>sentinel: Please answer in this order: 1. Which distribution do you use *right now*? and 2. What is your native language (in English/utf-8 -- I can't read whatever encoding you are using)
04:21<EmleyMoor>Ah, there's a way to back up to the memory carhd
04:21<sentinel>babilen: Problem with encoding on your! Only on you!
04:21<babilen>sentinel: You appear to be connecting from Belarus, do you speak Russian?
04:22<babilen>sentinel: I doubt that.
04:22<devil>sentinel: i have a prob with your encofing as well, and i for sure use utf-8
04:23<EmleyMoor><aol>Me too!</aol>
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04:24<babilen><grammarNaziHyperCorrection>s/Me too!/I too!</grammarNaziHyperCorrection>
04:24<devil>lets settle on: me,myself and i
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04:26<babilen>EmleyMoor: I am convinced that you can backup your memory card with (at least) "dd" -- Other, file based tools, might also be applicable though. I can't guarantee you though that a CF/SD/Whatev card backup will be enough or if you actually need to backup some "internal" files. *shrug*
04:26<sentinel>2. At me laptop Acer Extensa 5220 (BIOS Phoenix 1.35), Xubuntu 10.10 (Debian lenny), chipset Intel GL960. A problem in the following: from sensor controls is only coretemp. The sensor control of the fan isn't present absolutely, though the module ÐÏÄÇÒÕÖÁÅÔÓÑ. Accordingly there is no management of fan rotation. The processor awfully is heated. I know about project PHC on a voltage reduction for processors, but this decision not for me. Me absence more dis
04:27<devil>sentinel: though the module ÐÏÄÇÒÕÖÁÅÔÓÑ ?
04:28<sentinel>The sensor control of the fan isn't present absolutely, though the module load. Sorry!
04:29<babilen>sentinel: So, you are using Ubuntu *right now* ?
04:30<EmleyMoor>And your native language is...?
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04:31<babilen>sentinel: You might want to try a newer kernel or loading the "fan" module. I would also strongly recommend to ask in #debian-russian on (assuming that you as a Belarus citizen speak Russian)
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04:31<sentinel>EmleyMoor: At you the nazism here prospers?
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04:32<babilen>sentinel: And don't ask in #debian-russian but #ubuntu-ru (larger channel even)
04:32<EmleyMoor>Not Nazism. We just want to get you helped efficiently
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04:33<babilen>sentinel: This has nothing to do with "nazism" and I take offense at that. I/We merely want to ensure that you ask in the proper place.
04:34<sentinel>On bad support of community. You so send all on three cheerful Russian letters?
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04:35<EmleyMoor>We can't read them, even less understand them. You would be better off on a channel where Russian is used and understood
04:36<babilen>sentinel: I would recommend to follow our advice and do not insult random people who are trying to help you in the future. And yes, I am strongly suggesting that you ask in #ubuntu-ru on -- If you want support in here install *Debian* (preferably Squeeze) and make sure you follow our advice (loading the "fan" module as suggested to you yesterday). Have a nice day.
04:36<sentinel>I have found only one room with good support of community, which not ÔÒÏÌÌÑÔ as you, it there was a room #arch on the server But also they couldn't help completely with the decision of my problem.
04:36<sentinel>I have found only one room with good support of community, which not trolling as you, it there was a room #arch on the server But also they couldn't help completely with the decision of my problem.
04:37<babilen>sentinel: Just to make sure, you understand that. lm-sensors are not related to a working fan control. (i.e. you can have one without the other)
04:40<babilen>sentinel: Try loading the "fan" module and/or ask in #ubuntu-ru / ##linux on freenode. Have a nice day and please do not insult me again in the future.
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04:42<valdur55>how i can see .deb file depens...
04:42<valdur55>what packages need .deb install
04:43<sentinel>Respected, I do not know as there you call. On the channel offered by you #ubuntu-ru and the channel #ubuntu one trolls have sat down, developers of firm Canonical repeatedly complained of it.
04:43<sentinel>Debian I established one year ago, the problem was similar: the processor on the laptop awfully overheats. The given problem in a bug tracks of all distribution kits and anybody doesn't solve it 2 years! I also know that now in the given room there are also Russian colleagues who for some reason hide. The help on installation Debian is necessary to me, I only want to pay attention hardcoders to the given problem.
04:43<EmleyMoor>sentinel: If you were using Debian now, you'd be more on topic here
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04:45<dutchfish>sentinel: what proc are you talking about specifically?
04:46<dutchfish>sentinel: and what cipset?
04:46<sentinel>That is, if I now put to myself Debian you will help me to solve the given problem?
04:46<rao>Hi! I installed the hpijs-ppds package. Where are the ppds located?
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04:47<slush>rao: dpkg -L hpijs-ppds
04:47<EmleyMoor>sentinel: We might, but if we have difficulty understanding/reading you, we may direct you to a Russian-speaking channel
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04:47<dutchfish>sentinel: i dont know of the irc channels can solve your problem, but i do know if you use BTS and do it right, someone will delv einto it.
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04:47<rao>thanks slush
04:47<devil>sentinel: i asked you twice to show us the bug number from debian bts, so we can understand fully what you talk about. why dont you tell us?
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04:49<ayaka>yesterdya I can use transmission,but todya can't even I tru to reinstall
04:50<sentinel>Wait! several minute...
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04:50<devil>ayaka: that is not really an error anyone can deal with
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04:51<devil>ayaka: if transmission is installed, what does it put out when started from a terminal as user?
04:51<ayaka>devil, I know erro,because so file,but I don't know how to solve it,even I lddconfig.
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04:51<ayaka>devil, it's what I want to do ,wait
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04:54<sentinel>So you consider that the iron which became my processor on the laptop will have an error debian bts. No, such error isn't present. Such yet haven't thought up. If you can create debian bts for awful high temperature on the laptop I only will be glad. And here for the fan I now search for an error.
04:55<devil>sentinel: you said 5 minutes ago: The given problem in a bug tracks of all distribution kits and anybody doesn't solve it 2 years!
04:56<devil>ayaka: what debian version are you using?
04:56<dutchfish>sentinel: only found this:
04:56<ayaka>devil, squeeeze
04:56<devil>ayaka: can you give me the versions of transmission and libc6 please?
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04:57<devil>sentinel: i was asking for a bugnumber, not dorum posts
04:57<ayaka>devil, I don't konw,may be libc6 is 6
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04:57<devil>ayaka: maybe you can check for me?
04:58<ayaka>devil, please tell me how to do this
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04:58<devil>ayaka: dpkg -l transmission | grep ii
04:58<devil>ayaka: same for libc6
04:58<luca_>Is there someone that use Voyage linux?
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04:58<devil>luca_: if so, how would that be related to debian?
04:59<luca_>voyage is a debian based distro
04:59<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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04:59<luca_>ok, sorry
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05:00<ayaka>devil, ii transmission-common 2.03-2 ,ii libc6 2.11.2-9
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05:00<devil>luca_: i am part of a distro that is based on debian, still its not supported here
05:00<devil>ayaka: hm, version are ok
05:01<luca_>how can I see if a package is just installed on my system with debian?
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05:01<ayaka>devil, do you know what is the problem?I need comic
05:01<devil>luca_: dpkg -l <package>
05:01<devil>ayaka: nope, i dont
05:02<ayaka>devil, nope?
05:02<devil>ayaka: nope=no
05:02<luca_>devil: thanks...but I'm just a little confused because I see apt-get for install pkgs, apt-cache to search pkgs and now dpkg...why all these tools?
05:03<devil>luca_: apt-cache policy <package> will do the same
05:03<ayaka>devil, ok,you have other way to use BT?
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05:03<devil>ayaka: i use transmission. there is many more. apt-cache search torrent will tell you
05:03<babilen>luca_: Just different tools. If you want one tool for most of the functionality use "aptitude" or (even more functionality) "wajig" (front-end to a lot of different tools)
05:03<babilen>ayaka: BT?
05:04<ayaka>devil, but why do don't have problem?
05:04<devil>ayaka: i use different versions
05:04<Kersey> irc://
05:04<babilen>transmission +1
05:04<sret>babilen: yur wondering irssi client has no flood protecttion
05:04<ayaka>babilen, you don't chinese call BT
05:04<babilen>sret: What?
05:04<sret>EPIC does
05:04<ayaka>devil, ok,I will change to your version,which version?
05:04<devil>ayaka: please dont.
05:05<ayaka>devil, why
05:05<sret>flooding, if someone floods a channel, there's no way irssi will do anything to ban the flooder or to automatically pick the ip flooding it
05:05<devil>ayaka: because i use unstable overall.
05:05<sret>you have to manually do a ban
05:05<sret>or get a script to do so
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05:06<sret>and there are no scripts for it,heck even mirc has this feature and ircII(ancient)
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05:06<ayaka>devil, may be this a way,without animei,life is unintersting
05:06<sret>wondering= wonderful
05:07<devil>ayaka: no, that is no way for you. unstable may break badly from next week on (debian release)
05:07<sret>for all the hype surrounging irssi thas disappointing:P
05:07<slush>sret: take it to irssi's channels then
05:08<ayaka>devil, but task in my transmission not over,other program can translate it tasks?
05:08<sret>slush: not trying to debate it, babilen wasnt impressed i chose epic over irssi, this was just between us then
05:08<devil>ayaka: i have no idea, i dont use torrent much
05:09<devil>ayaka: but i guess so
05:09<luca_>ok, dpkg sounds good :-) so can I upgrade my system using dpkg. Now I use apt-get update and upgrade
05:09<devil>luca_: no, you cant
05:09<devil>luca_: dpkg is the underlying database to apt
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05:10<sentinel>devil: Tell how to add a bug connected with an overheat of the processor and absence of management by the fan in Debian bugtrack? As many people complain of the given problem!
05:10<ayaka>devil, are you sure ?when I install debian,I lost my most comic,now~~~on,debianer hate japanese?
05:10<devil>luca_: you can install single pacages with dpkg -i <package> that are not available through apt
05:10<devil>luca_: but dpkg does not resolve dependencies by itself
05:11<luca_>devil: understood
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05:11<devil>sentinel: you can install reportbug-ng
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05:12<devil>luca_: apt-get is powerful and does all you need. if you ask others, they swear on aptitude. its like kde vs. gnome
05:12<devil>luca_: nowadays you can mix aptitude and apt. that was not always the case
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05:13<ayaka>another question,I mask it keep in snpatic,but update-manger and aptitube still list it in uplist,how to solve it
05:13<babilen>luca_: There are differences though. aptitude's search patterns are very powerful and it also has better (interactive) dependency resolution. As I said: If you want one tool for apt-* (and more) use "wajig" otherwise use aptitude :)
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05:14*devil stays silent :)
05:14<luca_>thanks babilen
05:14<babilen>devil: hmm?
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05:15<devil>babilen: i found aptitudes way of offering more than one road to take most puzzling for our users
05:16<devil>sometimes the 1st choice is perfect, a lot of times its not.
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05:16<babilen>devil: A lot of tools are puzzling if not understood. That does not change their usefulness.
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05:17<ayaka>babilen, deavid I first I know aptitube can have many way
05:17<babilen>devil: And if you know what you want you can give some hints (in the form of +PKG -PKG ...) -- But it is just another tool in the toolbox.
05:17<devil>e.g. upgrading to kde 4.5.x, the recommended way was aptitude by the debian-qt-kde team. so i thought i give it a chance. total desaster. redoing it with apt worked perfect
05:18<devil>babilen: but of course, i agree, it needs to be understood. but in that sense, apt is much easier
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05:18<ayaka>but who can tell me about the lock the package!
05:18<luca_>how can I remove a package and all dependencies (with config files)?
05:18<devil>babilen: i seen aptitude wizards at work and its an amazing tool
05:18<ayaka>luca_, apt-get purge
05:18<babilen>devil: I can't comment on that and that is like saying: "I managed to break my system with tool X before, hence X is bad" :)
05:18<ayaka>luca_, aptitube purge
05:18<devil>luca_: apt-get purge <package>
05:19<devil>luca_: that includes the configs (othwer than the ones in your home)
05:19<babilen>devil: You might want to take a look at wajig though if you like apt-*
05:19<devil>luca_: dependencies will stay though
05:19<ayaka>devil, no purge will not del config in home
05:19<devil>babilen: yeah, never heard of it. i am fine with whatever is there, i am just looking for usable tools for _our_ users.
05:20<babilen>sure -- check it out then (it is a front-end to a lot of different tools, quite useful)
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05:22<ayaka>devil, babilen If I don't a package update,how to do
05:23<ayaka>babilen, for me
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05:23<babilen>ayaka: If you don't do what, how to do what ?
05:24<ayaka>babilen, I lock a package in新立得,but it still show in aptitube update list
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05:24<ayaka>babilen, how to show what like you(big)
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05:25<babilen>新立得 ? (synaptic?)
05:25<ayaka>babilen, in the same show in autoupdatemanger,yes
05:26<luca_>if I want to use debian on my desktop which version can I install? The stable is very old and server oriented...
05:26<babilen>Well, I never use synaptic. Could you try "aptitude hold PKG" and then "aptitude safe-upgrade" and check if the system still tries to upgrade the package. Why do you want to hold that package though? There is most likely a better way.
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05:27<ayaka>babilen, in aptitube menu,this press K?
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05:28<babilen>luca_: The next Debian release is imminent and I would strongly recommend to install it. The release is named "Squeeze" and you can find images at (check the errata) and the install guide here:
05:28<ayaka>luca_, for me,I was cheated to use squeeze
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05:28<babilen>ayaka: cheated?
05:28<dutchfish>babilen: is it possible to run wajig non-interactive to put its output to aptitude, as an example remove orphans? (btw i like wajig)
05:29<ayaka>babilen, 被骗
05:30<luca_>babilen: yes I have seen the first rc :-)
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05:31<babilen>ayaka: Yes, I understand "cheated" and "被" but why do you feel that way?
05:31<ayaka>babilen, you don't konw,my comic
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05:32<babilen>ayaka: And I meant: Run "aptitude hold PKG" on the CLI and then "aptitude safe-upgrade" -- Which package do you want to hold and why?
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05:32<devil>ayaka: trying to be funny on IRC can turn into the opposite easily :)
05:33<ayaka>babilen, dae~(I forgot full name),He miss I update from ubuntu,so I lost my comic
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05:33<ayaka>devil, this is chinese way jack,you don't konw
05:33<babilen>ayaka: I can ensure you that the Debian installer does not randomly delete any 漫畫 from your harddrive. It is more likely that you made a (unfortunate) mistake, like deleting a needed partition or something like that.
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05:34<ayaka>babilen, in ubuntu sperate homw is like this sdaX/home/username but indebian is sdaX/username
05:34<babilen>sigh, I meant 骗 earlier btw :)
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05:35<ayaka>babilen, yesterday I try many time in vm,so I know this
05:36<babilen>ayaka: Debian uses /home just like Ubuntu -- the default partitioning method might be different though. I can't comment on that because I have no idea how Ubuntu does it, but the Debian installer warns you that data might get lost when you change your partitions or format them.
05:37<pw>babilen: do you have time to give me some advice on my "installing adobe flash-project"?
05:37<babilen>flash project?
05:37<ayaka>babilen, when installed I choose not format and keep date,some translate is unmormal,I take some picture,do you want to see?
05:37<pw>babilen: you were helping me, I think on friday...
05:38<pw>babilen: there was a problem with ipv6 use
05:39<babilen>pw: Ah right, you had a default ipv6 route didn't you? Well, just ask ... If people (me included) can answer they will.
05:40<pw>babilen: I think I was able to fix that
05:40<ayaka>china is no ipv6~~may be some in unvierety
05:41<ayaka>devil, chinese for jack often say somthing big and terrible
05:41<dli>ayaka, I thought it's reasonable for china to go ipv6 though, huge population and limited ipv4 address space
05:41<pw>when trying to install the flashplugin-nonfree I get the message "No candidate version found for flashplugin-nonfree"
05:41<ayaka>dli, we don't have private ip
05:41<babilen>,versions flashplugin-nonfree
05:41<judd>Package flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3
05:42<ayaka>dli, except some servers,we use dhcp from the only ISP(not only,not only 5 ISP in china)
05:42<babilen>pw: It is in "contrib" -- /msg dpkg contrib -- If you use Lenny you also have to enable backports -- /msg dpkg bpo.
05:42<babilen>pw: Are you using Lenny or Squeeze?
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05:43<pw>babilen: lenny
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05:43<pw>babilen: the enabling backports thing, I don't understand
05:44<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <volatile>.
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05:45<pw>babilen: if I would read the debian reference on package management, would I be able to do it myself? The Instructions of dpkg, are they understandable for non-techny new users?
05:45<babilen>pw: You basically follow the instructions on the website. Make sure that you have "contrib" in your sources.list (deb lines should end in "main contrib" (optionally "non-free")) -- Run "aptitude update" and install it with "aptitude -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree"
05:46<babilen>pw: I am not sure if they are understandable, but you can ask questions if you are unsure. Haven't you just installed Lenny?
05:46<ayaka>another question,why Audacious must only one use audio output,even I use pulseaudio?
05:47<pw>babilen: yes I have, but not really easy to get started
05:48<babilen>ayaka: You can control volume levels application-wise with "pavucontrol" and a /etc/asound.conf (~/.asoundrc) like this:
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05:49<ayaka>babilen, pavucontrol what is it?
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05:49<ayaka>babilen, etc/asound.conf is not exsit,can I create one?
05:50<babilen>pw: I ask because the next stable release of Debian is expected to be released next weekend. You might just install it right now and take it from there. I am just mentioning that, because you will have to upgrade your Lenny installation to Squeeze in the next year anyway, so you might just start with it right away.
05:51<pw>babilen: does that mean I new installation from scratch? Or some in place upgrade
05:51<babilen>ayaka: Yes and pavucontrol is an application. Restart pulseaudio (make sure you kill *all* daemons) after you've created that file and restart your applications (in short: just reboot;)
05:51<ayaka>babilen, next stable is so fast,I remember last one is in 2009
05:51<babilen>pw: Both is possible. I guess that a new installation from scratch is easier.
05:52<babilen>ayaka: That's two years -- It is pretty slow compared to Ubuntu's release cycle.
05:52<pw>babilen: I'm really sure to choose the easy way!!!
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05:54<babilen>pw: Ok, download the rc2 installer from (check the errata!!). I recommend the netinstall for the installation and you can find the installation guide at
05:54<babilen>pw: How do you connect to the internet?
05:55<pw>babilen: can I do it now, because you told about the release being next weekend
05:55<pw>babilen: dsl connection on lan
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05:55<babilen>pw: There are still *some* problems with that version (see the errata), but you can use it right now. Assuming nothing in the errata applies to you.
05:55<ayaka>babilen, of course,but debian is more stable and more trouble,ubuntu is more beautiful but unstable
05:56<babilen>pw: Ok, what is the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" ?
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05:56<pw>babilen: 00:05.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ [10ec:8139] (rev 10)
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05:59<babilen>pw: Should be OK ... You can also just download the CD1 (and not the netinstall) in case your network card is not working during the installation.
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06:00<pw>babilen: I going to try it, thanks for your help!
06:00<babilen>pw: One second please. :)
06:00<pw>babilen: yes?
06:01<ayaka>where to report translate bug?
06:02<babilen>pw: Ah well, should be OK. Can you come here during the installation?
06:03<pw>babilen: windows will do that for me
06:03<babilen>pw: But not *during* the installation. I mean: You just have one computer to work on?
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06:04<pw>babilen: I have a second computer. I bought a second hand machine to try debian
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06:06<ayaka>every same to me,when I was installing debian,I use my father's computer
06:07<sentinel>devil: I find more bag report: , ,
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06:08<sentinel>First bugreport about my problem.
06:08<babilen>pw: Ah great -- then just give it a try. :)
06:09<sentinel>Hey, guru, you here?
06:09<pw>babilen: I might try the CD because with the lenny network install didn't succed
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06:10<babilen>pw: ok
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06:13<babilen>sentinel: Try a newer kernel if you think it is related to your kernel version. But you are still not using Debian, so I don't think that you are interested in a way on how to achieve that on Debian. Ask in #ubuntu on for help with that.
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06:16<devil>sentinel: did you read the replie by Ben Hutchins:
06:17<devil>Unless 'top' shows you a large figure for 'system time' there is no
06:17<devil>kernel bug here.
06:18<s4br3>What is the best channel for Debian-multimedia? When I try to full-upgrade my system it wants to remove libx264-104, without a replacement. I could find no description at which would warrant this. Thanks for any pointer!
06:18<dpkg>i guess mm is Myanmar (Burma)
06:18<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>.
06:19<devil>s4br3: thats what happens with mm repo a lot, at least with certain packages.
06:19<sentinel>devil: This kernel bug over two years! Poor!
06:20<devil>sentinel: can you ask my questions please
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06:20<devil>err, answer
06:20<s4br3>ompaul: I do have non-free added,
06:20<devil>s4br3: i think dpkg is partialy wrong there
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06:21<s4br3>devil: I may just as well wait with an upgrade for a few days or weeks
06:22<devil>some stuff might have moved to non-free, but not all
06:22<sentinel>devil: I already set the questions above! If you remember! You have no possibility them to read? Or someone has joined the given conversation?
06:22<devil>s4br3: might help. mm repo is badly maintained atm from my experience
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06:23<devil>sentinel: does top show a high %sy for you?
06:23<devil>why is it so hard to give precise answers?
06:23<s4br3>devil: I never had any serious problems before.
06:23<sentinel>devil: I can repeat, if it so is necessary.
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06:24<devil>s4br3: it depends on the packages, stuff related to ffmpeg and mplayer tends to collide badly with stuff in sid.
06:24<ompaul>sentinel: take screenshot of top and paste it in imagebin
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06:25<devil>sentinel: please tell me what top says for %sy. not more, not less.
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06:26<ompaul>s4br3: this apt-cache policy libx264-104 shows that package is in main so what are you changing that wants to change it Candidate: 1:0.svn20100918-0.3 what version have you got right now?
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06:26<s4br3>Does anyone know which apps have libx264-104 as a necessity? Apparently I still have libx264-112, which maybe is a later version. I don't know, but perhaps it will fill the void?
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06:27<sentinel>I letter later: i current work in Windows, top report can see in up bugreport.
06:27<sentinel>Debian testing i downloading current.
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06:28<flower>what does the c mean in apt (i is installed)
06:28<sentinel>Have xubuntu - 2 OS on my laptop.
06:28<s4br3>ompaul: The one I have "Installed: 1:0.svn20100918-0.3"
06:28<ompaul>sentinel: that is not the best way to fix your debian is it, non interactive irc it wastes helpers time - hardly a good way to get good relationships going, don't you think?
06:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 461] by debhelper
06:29<ompaul>s4br3: so now you have a clash with one of the upgrading packages
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06:29<s4br3>Maybe I should say I run Debian Sid
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06:30<s4br3>Running "aptitude search libx264" gives "i A libx264-104" and "i A libx264-112".
06:31<devil>ompaul: this apt-cache policy libx264-104 shows that package is in main? your main or mine? ;)
06:32<devil>ompaul: i cannot spot it, but i do not use mm
06:32<ompaul>s4br3 / devil sorry mm's I enabled the repo to check
06:32<devil>ah :)
06:32<ompaul>now to disable
06:32<ompaul>no harm in looking just don't use the stuff :)
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06:33<devil>ompaul: i was wondering how 246 stuff would make it to main
06:33<ompaul>devil: it can't ;-)
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06:34<ompaul>s4br3: will tell you what packages depend on it
06:35<devil>s4br3: look at: apt-cache depends libx264-112 and at: apt-cache rdepends libx264-112. output might give you a clue
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06:36<ayaka>devil, when I use root to run transmission it normal,but me can't
06:37<devil>ayaka: its insane to do so.
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06:37<s4br3>ompaul: Thanks, it turned rdepends showed that only libquicktime1 uses version 104, all others use 112
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06:38<sentinel>Well, but, if so say at once that is necessary for you, the first, the second, the third. Then I won't spend the time for an idle talk, and I will not spend your time. And so it turns out ÛÁÒÁÈÁÎØÅ here and there. After installation Debian I c you will communicate. Only there is a question: "Why so long anybody from developers Debian doesn't solve those bugreports, which I to you ÏÔÐÉÓÁÌ above and which you so persistently demanded?" In those bugreports t
06:38<ayaka>devil, so you know how to sovle the problem>
06:38<devil>ayaka: sorry, no
06:38<s4br3>Thanks again!
06:38<sentinel>And so it turns out left here and there.
06:38<flower>what does the c mean in aptitude search (i is installed)
06:38<ayaka>devil, which file in user can effect on so file?
06:39<EmleyMoor>flower: Config on, but package not
06:39<sentinel>I back here later, after installing debian testing.
06:39<devil>dinner. bbiab
06:39<flower>EmleyMoor: hmm, thanks
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06:40<devil>sentinel: can you please stop throwing phrases like: ÛÁÒÁÈÁÎØÅ at us. we cannot read it!
06:40<ayaka>devil, may be del the date can solve this,but my tasks,oh no
06:41<sentinel>I repeat for you: (14:38:47) sentinel: And so it turns out left here and there.
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06:42<ompaul>that too
06:42<devil>sentinel: the next thing from you i will _not_ ignore is the output fron top for %sy
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06:42<sentinel>devil: See up!
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06:45<sentinel>Only there is a question: "Why so long anybody from developers Debian doesn't solve those bugreports, which I to you letter above and which you so persistently demanded?"
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06:45<ComradeHaz`>jhutchins, sorry I missed your reply last night, She Who Must Be Obeyed summoned me!
06:46<sentinel>Well, but, if so say at once that is necessary for you, the first, the second, the third. Then I won't spend the time for an idle talk, and I will not spend your time. And so it turns out left here and there. After installation Debian I c you will communicate. Only there is a question: "Why so long anybody from developers Debian doesn't solve those bugreports, which I to you letter above and which you so persistently demanded?" In those bugreports there i
06:46<ComradeHaz`>To remind you and to attract comment from others, my question was: "I wish to PXE boot an Ubuntu machine from a Debian server. Is there anyone who is in a position to assist me with this?"
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06:47<dureyes>newbie..... Im using the
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06:47<dureyes>Squeeze release...when the official release come out, can I just do apt-get update?
06:48<dupondje>could somebody check ? Need some input how I can test some more :)
06:48<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.
06:48<EmleyMoor>dureyes: If you are already on squeeze, yes
06:48<Torsten_W>dupondje, apt-get update does install nothing
06:48<ComradeHaz`>jhutchins_lt: asked "for what purpose" and commented "If you're booting with PXE it shouldn't matter what's on the machine." I'd love someone to expand on the latter, if possible. I'd really love to pxe boot all my machines in the house, 3 of which are windows 7 boxes. Could I do this too?
06:49<EmleyMoor>However, you must follow with apt-get upgrade
06:49<dupondje>dureyes: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
06:50<EmleyMoor>He's saying he's already on squeeze though
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06:51<devil>sentinel: just look at the first report: 1 user (debian developer) sees a bug. someone else asks for output to determine if its a kernel bug. output could not be provided. what to do? maybe its time you start fixing it.
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06:54<babilen>dureyes: Just follow the release notes:
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06:57<sentinel>devil: I already have just started to prosecute over this subjects, unique means of working out which I have found - QST SDK from Intel, the given project only has appeared recently in open access for developers on site Intel. OpenAMT doesn't work on last kernels Linux. But I am am frightened by temperature of my processor and my laptop at work in Linux. Agree that the temperature more than 60 degrees on Celsius is too, and sometimes it reached and to 70
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06:58<dureyes>ok thanks: babilen
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06:59<ayaka>if I want to install some i686 package in amd64 how to,for compile wine
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07:01<EmleyMoor>ayaka: Depends... in some cases there may be packages of them in amd64 - but if not, using a chroot is often done. I haven't done that for a while, though
07:02<ayaka>EmleyMoor, thank you
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07:02<ayaka>babilen, would mind thinking me transmission problem,you havn't language problem
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07:03<ayaka>WARNING: GetText 32-bit development files not found (or too old). Internationalization won't be fully to sovle this
07:04<s4br3>sentinel: On you can read "For general discussions, suggestions, questions, and project announcements, please use the openamt-devel mailing list."
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07:04<EmleyMoor>ayaka: Hold on...
07:04<sentinel>I know!
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07:05<EmleyMoor>Hmm... not sure on that one at all
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07:08<Torsten_W>ayaka, apt-get build-dep wine gives ypu all, what's needed for compiling wine
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07:11<EmleyMoor>My laptop has an Intel GM45 graphics system and a built in wide screen. I am looking for a way to display the "full screen" mode from an application without stretching it sideways to fit. How would I do this? (On my desktop, I have NVidia graphics and there is a setting in the configuration tool for that)
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07:12<ayaka>Torsten_W, it do none
07:13<Torsten_W>it do
07:13<Torsten_W>EmleyMoor, can you paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
07:14<EmleyMoor>ayaka: Are you compiling from a Debian package or third party?
07:14<Torsten_W>EmleyMoor, xrandr should be able, to set the right resolution
07:14<EmleyMoor>Torsten_W: I don't have that machine on right now but will do so shortly
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07:17<ayaka>EmleyMoor, git
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07:18<Geli>i tried to install an online created DEBIAN distro
07:18<Geli>but i had this error messeage: Failure trying to run:chroot /target dpkg -force-depends -install /var/cache/apt/base-passwrd_3.5.22_i386.deb var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_0.6_i386.deb
07:18<Geli>what i need to do??
07:19<Geli>anyone please help
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07:19<ComradeHaz`>Hi all, I am trying to follow this article but I have immediately run into some differences in what happens and what is suggested. Is there anyone around who thinks they can help with this sort of thing?
07:19<priyesh>I've got a Dell Optiplex running a headless debian lenny server. Is there any reason why I cannot get lm-sensors working?
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07:20<Torsten_W>priyesh, because the dell has no sensors in
07:20<priyesh>Torsten_W: thanks - that's what I thought
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07:23<Geli>anyone knows how to solve my proble?
07:25<Geli>i tried to install an online created DEBIAN distro
07:25<Geli>but i had this error messeage: Failure trying to run:chroot /target dpkg -force-depends -install /var/cache/apt/base-passwrd_3.5.22_i386.deb var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_0.6_i386.deb
07:25<devil>Geli: we read you.
07:25<Torsten_W>EmleyMoor, can you set the resolution with xrandr?
07:25<Geli>but it semed everyone is away
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07:26<EmleyMoor>Torsten_W: I'm not sure it's appropriate
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07:29<EmleyMoor>Torsten_W: If I do, the result is "stretched to fit the width
07:29<EmleyMoor>I want it "pillarboxed to maintain the aspect ratio"
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07:30<Torsten_W>EmleyMoor, i think, i have misunderstand you
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07:34<oscz>Hi, I'm trying to install debian lenny on a 2 TB disk (which forced me to use GPT partitioning) .. installer failed installing grub
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07:35<EmleyMoor>I want, say, 800x600 with square pixels, centred on the screen. Not 800x600 stretched sideways to fit
07:36<devil>oscz: i would use squeeze. it has grub2, which understands gpt
07:36<cahoot>defining DisplaySize doesn't help?
07:36<oscz>I think it should be using grub2 which knows how to deal with GPT partitions, but I guess it didnt... it knew how to create the partitions though
07:36<devil>oscz: squeeze should be released officialy next weekend anyways
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07:37<EmleyMoor>cahoot: How do I do that?
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07:38<cahoot>in Section "Monitor" (IIRC) . man xorg.conf is probably the best advice
07:38<oscz>devil: ok.. I just did a fresh install, so I might wait till next weekend..
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07:39<devil>oscz: you can use squeeze images now
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07:41<EmleyMoor>cahoot: That's going to hose the other modes too, though, I guess
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07:43<oscz>devil: thanks.. I'll have a look on that.. prolly would get easier if I reinstalled with that.. I'm out of DVDs atm, I have some CDs though.. is there some "minimal" install cd that downloads stuff over net ?
07:43<EmleyMoor>oscz: There are such things... netinst
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07:43<oscz>nice, thanks
07:43<dpkg>i guess netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
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07:44<oscz>yeah :)
07:45<oscz>so there isnt some big update coming before next weekend, its just released as stable?
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07:46<Geli>I had this error messeage during install: Failure trying to run:chroot /target dpkg -force-depends -install /var/cache/apt/base-passwrd_3.5.22_i386.deb var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_0.6_i386.deb
07:46<Geli>what i need to do?
07:46<Geli>please help me
07:46<oscz>Ganneff: ok, i take back that "just" ;)
07:47<tpo>Geli, was there any more output than that?
07:47<EmleyMoor>Geli: Any more information as to the nature of the failure?
07:47<tpo>Any more error messages?
07:47<Geli>no that was all
07:48<tpo>Geli, what exactly where you doing?
07:48<Geli>i wanted to install Debian
07:48<Geli>on my other pc
07:48<tpo>from a CD? Or from what?
07:48<Geli>but during install i had this messegae
07:48<Geli>yes, from a CD
07:49<tpo>is the computer still in front of you with the CD in?
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07:49<Geli>ans with the error messeage
07:49<Geli>if i press neht
07:49<Geli>says: "coudn't install, error code 1"
07:50<tpo>you could try to ALT-Fx to get to a console and type in just that command above and see what happens
07:50<EmleyMoor>I guess what I actually need is some kind of Modeline... but I have no idea how to compose one that will do what I seek
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07:51<tpo>Geli, maybe you'll get more information about what specifically went wrong
07:51<ayaka>how to config compiz?
07:51<Geli>i try minute
07:53<Geli>i restart the install sequence
07:53<tpo>Geli, you could also make a few sanity checks inside the console: whether maybe the disk is not full, or whether maybe the filesystem is mounted readonly due to a FS error, or whether chroot is not executable, or look inside /target, if it looks sane and there dpkg in there and the *deb package etc.
07:54<Geli>but i formatted the drives before i began to install
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07:54<tpo>my question to #debian: I've got all the time problems with some programm blocking access to the sound card (sometimes twinkle, sometimes FF, sometimes flash)
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07:55<tpo>so in that respect my Debian install is broken
07:55<EmleyMoor>tpo: I've had that from time to time...
07:55<tpo>what's Debian's solution for that problem?
07:55<tpo>install pulseaudio?
07:55<cahoot>I'd guess flash is the common denominator
07:55<EmleyMoor>I normally restart alsa
07:55<tpo>install some alsa wrapper?
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07:56<codingenesis>how can i compile windows binary in linux?
07:56<tpo>I've come back to Debian from Ubuntu and Ubuntu didn't have this problem any more, however I did not like pulseaudio
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07:56*EmleyMoor neither
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07:57<babilen>tpo: Install pulseaudio, place in /etc/asound.conf, restart system. Adjust per-application volume with, for example, "pavucontrol"
07:57<tpo>however I am sick of that problem, it's a pita and I'd rather reuse pulseaudio again if that will fix my silent audio problems...
07:58<babilen>tpo: I should note though, that I had sound from various sources working without PA as well, so the actual problem might be something else. Ubuntu uses PA though and it might just be what you want.
07:58<oscz>devil: I guess I need something from here (netinst): ?
07:58<tpo>babilen, so there's no other "complete" solution without letting pulseaudio back on my system?
07:59<Geli>where is Fx?
07:59<babilen>tpo: I am not a sound guru and there are probably other solutions (dmix et. al.) -- What is your problem with PA? You might want to ask in #alsa over at freenode it is full of sound geeks :)
07:59<Geli>the fx butin
08:00<babilen>Geli: What?
08:00<EmleyMoor>Geli: On top of your keyboard, where x=0 to 12
08:00<EmleyMoor>1 to 12
08:00<babilen>Geli: I guess Fx refers to F1 ... F12 buttons on your keyboard
08:00<Geli>i pressed ctrl-alt F4
08:00<Geli>and the problem is:
08:00<Geli>base-psswrd depends on libc6 (Y=2.1)
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08:01<Geli>package libc6 is not installed
08:01<devil>oscz: rather
08:01<Geli>Errors were encountered while processing
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08:01<Geli>what the hell? a package is missing from the installer??
08:01<EmleyMoor>Why would that not have installed?
08:02<oscz>devil: thank you
08:02<tpo>babilen, I had a few instances of it eating idly away my CPU time in the background
08:02<Geli>but it's an installer
08:02<Geli>can i somehow skip this package?
08:02<Geli>to don't install it
08:02<EmleyMoor>What stage has this happened at?
08:03<Geli>under installation
08:03<EmleyMoor>What part thereof?
08:03<Geli>installing system
08:04<oscz>is it possible to upgrade system from old debian release to a new one, for example from lenny to squeeze ?
08:04<EmleyMoor>Geli: Yes, but what was the last action you took before it failed?
08:04<devil>oscz: sure
08:04<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with aptitude. Do an aptitude update first, and then an aptitude upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first. Ask me about <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze>.
08:05<babilen>tpo: Ah, I don't have that problem at all.
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08:05<EmleyMoor>lenny->squeeze is easy... potato->squeeze might be harder, for example
08:06<oscz>I have old lenny system on with a broken disk on raid 1 / lvm2... I bought two 2 TB disks and now wish to migrate my old system to the new disks using raid 1 / LVM2
08:06<babilen>EmleyMoor: I wouldn't say that "lenny->squeeze" is particularly easy. And potato->squeeze just has to be broken down into a couple of subsequent upgrades.
08:06<tpo>babilen, generally, my problem under Ubuntu was, that my system was a lot more fat
08:06<babilen>tpo: I never had that particular problem and it is running without any issue whatsoever here.
08:06<EmleyMoor>babilen: Well, not particularly easy, no...
08:06<Geli>where can i download a debian with torrent, and with xfce
08:07<EmleyMoor>But meant to be possible, yes
08:07<babilen>tpo: Well, I have quite a slim system, but like the application mixer of PA, so I allowed that in. :)
08:07<tpo>by that I mean: a lot more processes running in the background, a lot more packages installed, pulling stuff in that I do not want, system feeling slower in general etc.
08:07<oscz>oscz: I wonder if its possible to use this squeeze netinst image to setup the partitions, grub2 etc.. then I would boot up a livecd.. mount both systems, old and new, and copy the lenny installation on the new root
08:08<oscz>and then upgrade lenny -> squueze.. I wouldn't have to re-configure everything
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08:08<tpo>babilen, so if I can I'll rather not go down that path again and install more stuff into dependency chains, into the app stack and running in the background
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08:09<babilen>tpo: Yes I understand that and completely agree. I would ask in #alsa how to solve this particular problem. (I never ever had it with my hardware)
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08:09<oscz>would you recommend doing this? is there something that will break ?
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08:10<Geli>can i install DEBIAN in minimal intall?
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08:11<Geli>so with no extra package and with xcfe
08:11<babilen>Geli: Isn't XFCE an extra package? (I wouldn't deem an installation with XFCE a "minimal" one)
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08:12<tpo>Geli, you can have the installer install a minimal system and then add stuff on it that you need
08:12<Geli>i want a really small fast boot DEBIAN
08:12<Geli>and don't need KE or GNOME, just a simple xcfe
08:13<Geli>yes, i need graphic lokkline
08:13<tpo>Geli, however minimal will also mean, that there's a lot of default stuff missing so you'll have to do the work yourself of putting the pieces together (see my question about alsa and pulseaudio, which is the symptom of the same idea)
08:14<babilen>Geli: Yes, you don't have to install either KDE or Gnome. Either install from the XFCE CD1, or install a minimal system (just don't select the "Desktop" or other tasks -- i would recommend "Standard" though) Take it from there
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08:15<Geli>i meant in minimal: everything what i really must have, nothing else
08:15<Geli>and an applet center, where i can download what i need
08:16<Geli>debian-508-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso.torrent is it?
08:16<EmleyMoor>Any further ideas how I can define 800x600 as a "no stretching" mode?
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08:18<Geli>debian-508-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso.torrent is good for me?
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08:20<Geli>debian-508-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso.torrent is good for me?
08:21<babilen>Geli: The problem you ran into was with one of the Squeeze CDs wasn't it?
08:21<babilen>Geli: (I assume that based on the base-passwd version)
08:21<Geli>i made a live cd online
08:21<babilen>Geli: And yes, you can download that CD -- You don't *have* to use torrents though.
08:22<Geli>but i think base-psswrd stayed out of the disc
08:22<babilen>Geli: You made a live CD online? What do you mean?
08:22<Geli>live iso creator
08:22<babilen>Which live iso creator are you referring to?
08:23<babilen>It would be wonderful if you could give me the link :)
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08:25<babilen>Geli: Ok, could you try
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08:27<tpo>babilen, thanks for your pointers. I asked on #alsa and it seems to be a very quiet place. No movement there
08:27<babilen>Geli: You might also want to report that problem with the Live Build service in #debian-live
08:27<babilen>tpo: Too bad.
08:27<babilen>Geli12: Got my message?
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08:27<Geli12>did you respond my question? i was dicconected
08:27<babilen>Geli12: (the one with the link to the iso)
08:28<babilen>Geli: Ok, could you try and you might want to report your problem with the Live-Build service in #debian-live (not sure what they are doing for the build and if they care about problems with squeeze build right now)
08:28<Geli12>ok thanks
08:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 467] by debhelper
08:29<Geli12>so the iso i picked is goo
08:29<babilen>tpo: I've seen it. Lets see what happens :)
08:29<babilen>Geli12: Where did you mention the a Squeeze rc2 xfce+lxde iso?
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08:30<ayaka>who know cdemu,I can't how to compile one of it part
08:31<nl>I am using Debian Squeeze, IceWeasel... recently re-installed my base system and am configuring. How does one check which version of flash you are currently using and/or which you have installed?
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08:32<ayaka>nl, no need check,must gnash
08:32<Tiff>ayaka: assuming things is dangerous. :)
08:33<nl>ayaka; I don't understand. gnash --version or man gnash?
08:33<Tiff>nl: I just told you to use about:plugins
08:33<Tiff>nl: into your browser
08:33<Tiff>nl: it will tell you the version and location of your flash plugin for Iceweasel
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08:34<ayaka>nl, no,dpkg -l gnash |grep ii
08:35<ayaka>Tiff, assuming ?
08:35<nl>Ayaka; I never knew about about:plugins, thank you!
08:36<EmleyMoor>Is there a channel that can help with Xorg?
08:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
08:37<dpkg>< bouncing> This is not a Debian question, but you guys probably use Thinkpads... :) Can I take apart a thinkpad screen and literally remove an insect? < greycat> hahaha
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08:38<ayaka>nl,not me,you should thank for Tiff
08:39<ompaul>EmleyMoor: why isn't xorg a debian question? ask if it you are on debian
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08:39<zylt>how do i prevent debian from automatically updating resolv.conf when connecting to a network?
08:40<dpkg>To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp{,3}/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>.
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08:41<EmleyMoor>ompaul: I will try here again too
08:41<EmleyMoor>I want to be able to display certain "traditional" modes centred on my laptop's 16:9 screen, rather than stretched. My xorg. conf is at and my Xorg.0.log at - and I am using Intel graphics. Any guidance would be appreciated.
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08:42<tpo>EmleyMoor, isn't there an xorg channel where you could maybe get more expert advice?
08:42<EmleyMoor>tpo: Exactly what I asked which garnered the "ask here" response from ompaul. I am on #xorg too
08:43<babilen>EmleyMoor: You might also try (all on freenode) some of the channels mentioned in #xorg's /topic (#radeon, ...)
08:44<tpo>EmleyMoor, umm :-(
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08:49<ayaka>I want to use cdemu
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08:50<ompaul>EmleyMoor: after some wrong question of the bot I got this
08:51<dpkg>[intel-gfx] The intel <Xorg> driver provides 2D/3D support for Intel integrated graphics chipsets, including the i810, 915{G,GM}, 945{G,GM,GME}, 946GZ, 965{G,GM,Q}, G33, Q33, Q35, G35, GM45, G45, Q45, G43 and G41; the <GMA 500> is not supported. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-intel, see also <intel-gfx shadow>. #intel-gfx on
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08:51<ompaul>EmleyMoor: hopefully it is of some use to you
08:51<EmleyMoor>ompaul: None at all, sadly
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08:53<ompaul>EmleyMoor: have you tried the trick of moving xorg.conf out of the way and restarting X?
08:53<EmleyMoor>ompaul: That is unlikely to avail me anything
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08:54<Torsten_W>the problem is not related to the xserver
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08:54<babilen>EmleyMoor: You basically want a 4:3 resolution on your 16:9 screen by ignoring a lot of the pixels?
08:54<Torsten_W>i don't think, that the screen can draw 800x600 with black borders on the sites
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08:56<rpetre>on my dell laptop i can set this in bios
08:56<EmleyMoor>babilen: Yes, that's about it
08:57<EmleyMoor>rpetre: Ah, interesting - let me check
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08:58<babilen>EmleyMoor: Hmmmm ... 16:9 sucks doesn't it? I'm so happy that I still have a 4:3 screen. I am not entirely sure if you can achieve that. I mean there definitely is *some* way, but this is quite unusual and I really don't know it off-hand. You might want to check your hardware settingd and/or write to a Xorg mailing list.
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08:58<EmleyMoor>rpetre: Can't see a relevant BIOS setting on mine
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09:10<oscz>devil: installing grub on GPT partitioned disk failed on even the latest squeeze installer.. now it says "This GPT partition label has no BIOS Boot Partition: embedding won't be possible!"
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09:18<biiter>hello. is there a way to use current testing kernel (2.6.32-5-686) with much more recent video driver?
09:21<Lantizia>Hey does anyone know if PHP fpm made it into the squeeze php packages? From the descriptions it doesn't look like it did but it's version 5.3.3 so I'd have thought it should have
09:22<Lantizia>And it's not packaged separately as php5-fpm
09:22<Yoda-BZH>-fpm won't be activated until squeeze+1
09:22<Yoda-BZH>available only in experimental
09:22<Lantizia>Yoda-BZH, but it was in 5.3.3 which is the version in squeeze - so why exclude it?
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09:23<biiter>Torsten_W: i wan't to use more recent video drivers.. there should be some fixes that allow me to suspend and resume laptop without problems.. but the current kernel in debian squeeze is old :(
09:24<Torsten_W>biiter, then install a newer kernel
09:24<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20110121, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.38-rc2-git7, mainline 2.6: 2.6.38-rc2, stable 2.6: 2.6.37 , stable 2.6.36: , longterm 2.6.35: , stable 2.6.35: , longterm 2.6.34: , stable 2.6.34: , stable 2.6.33: , longterm 2.6.32: , stable 2.6.32: , longterm 2.6.27: , stable 2.6.27: , stable 2.4.37:
09:24<Torsten_W>and "more recent video drivers" sayes nothing
09:25<Yoda-BZH>« no new feature»-thing, nothing untested and too new
09:26<Lantizia>Yoda-BZH, right so your saying PHP 5.3.3 was only accepted _after_ the freeze due to it fixing some critical bug
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09:26<Lantizia>and prior to the freeze it was <5.3.3
09:26<biiter>Torsten_W: i want 2.6.37
09:26<Torsten_W>then install him
09:27<Torsten_W>2.6.37 is in exp
09:27<dupondje>can somebody a squeeze install give me output of 'stat /dev/net/tun' ?
09:27<biiter>experimental repo?
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09:29<dupondje>biiter: thanks ! weird, here it makes it as 660 :s
09:29<Yoda-BZH>Lantizia php5.3 was expected to be in squeeze, but not the -fpm feature
09:29<Lantizia>Yoda-BZH, 5.3.3. was expected or 5.3 was ?
09:30<Karburator>Well now ...
09:30<Yoda-BZH>(unless new big change)
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09:30<biiter>Torsten_W: how do i install that kernel please? aptitude shows only 2.6.32
09:30<Lantizia>Yoda-BZH, well you can't really say "not the -fpm feature" as fpm is now a main feature of php as of 5.3.3
09:30<Torsten_W>biiter, add experimental to your sources
09:31<Yoda-BZH>Lantizia php5.3 can run without fpm
09:31<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference.
09:31<biiter>Torsten_W: doesn't that affect all packages? can i apply it only for linux kernel?
09:31<Yoda-BZH>it's a so big change that couldn't be tested enough to be in squeeze
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09:32<Lantizia>Yoda-BZH, PHP can run without most of these too... "dba dom ereg exif fileinfo filter ftp gettext hash iconv json libxml mbstring mhash openssl pcre Phar posix Reflection session shmop SimpleXML soap sockets SPL standard sysvmsg sysvsem sysvshm tokenizer wddx xml xmlreader xmlwriter zip zlib"
09:32<zylt>apt-get install privoxy returns the error message E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
09:32<Lantizia>but they're still included because they're now a part of core PHP as fpm has been accepted
09:32<Yoda-BZH>Lantizia ask the php maintainer team
09:32<Torsten_W>zylt, because there is running another dpkg-process?
09:33<Yoda-BZH>Lantizia fpm is not just a submodule, it's a whole new big feature
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09:34<Lantizia>Yoda-BZH, irrelevant... php 5.3.3 isn't 5.3.3 without it
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09:38<jipsy>mount: can't find /media/cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
09:38<jipsy> how to fix this?
09:38<bartm>jipsy, add it
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09:39<jipsy>please show me how.
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09:39<zem_>jipsy: what are you trying to mount?
09:39<jipsy>need for speed cd
09:39<jipsy>cd rom
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09:40<zem_>should be mounted automagicaly as soon as you put it in
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09:40<jipsy>it wont. i already tried several commands in terminal based on some forums.
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09:43<zem_>jipsy: i have "/dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0" in my /etc/fstab that should do (just replace /dev/hdb with whatever you have)
09:45<jipsy>got it...thnx zem.. ill try this.
09:46<bartm>jipsy, what is the output of this command ? ls -l /dev/cdrom
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09:49<jipsy>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root @bartm >> root 3 2011-01-30 18:10 /dev/cdrom -> sr0
09:50<bartm>jipsy, now this: ls -l /dev|grep sr0
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09:50<jipsy>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2011-01-30 18:10 cdrom -> sr0
09:50<jipsy>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2011-01-30 18:10 cdrw -> sr0
09:50<jipsy>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2011-01-30 18:10 dvd -> sr0
09:50<jipsy>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2011-01-30 18:10 scd0 -> sr0
09:50<jipsy>brw-rw----+ 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2011-01-30 18:10 sr0
09:50<biiter>how can i install experimental kernel linux-image-2.6.37-rc7-versatile into debian squeeze please?
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09:51<bartm>jipsy, use scd0 instead of hdb in what zem_ wrote
09:52<jipsy>i am still figuring out how to do that.. googling...
09:52<zem_>"nano /etc/fstab", as root
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09:53<jipsy>i found etc but no fstab in my file system.
09:53<zem_>nano being your favourite text editor
09:53<bartm>jipsy, is /etc/fstab missing ?
09:53<jipsy>i clicked on the etc folder and found no fstab there.
09:54<zem_>in console: "cat /etc/fstab"
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09:55<jipsy>cat: /etc/fsta: No such file or directory
09:55<bartm>jipsy, not fsta but fstab
09:56<jipsy># /etc/fstab: static file system information.
09:56<jipsy># Use 'blkid -o value -s UUID' to print the universally unique identifier
09:56<jipsy># for a device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name
09:56<jipsy># devices that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
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09:56<bartm>not missing :)
09:57<zem_>tought so
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09:57<zem_>jipsy_: the file is there
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09:59<mc68040>Hi all, i have successfully modified initramfs-tools to setup a fully configured bridge instead of a normal network device (needed for my diskless kvm/xen clients). Now id like to have the changes in regular debain packages. Im willing to spend more time to adapt to appropriate conventions/policies of the involved packages (bridge-utils, initramfs-tools), but i need to know them. Is there another way than mailing-lists to discuss them? preferred irc...
09:59<bartm>jipsy_, can you "pastebin" your /etc/fstab ?
10:01<rpetre>mc68040: i remembered i did this a few years ago and it didn't require any out-of-the-ordinary modifications
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10:01<jipsy_>I found it.. it is not a pulled up in gedit
10:01<bartm>jipsy_, can you "pastebin" your /etc/fstab ?
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10:02<jipsy_>would you like me to paste it here?
10:02<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
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10:04<jipsy_>i went to the site you have provided me and put in jipsy then paste the info contents and hit on send.
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10:04<mc68040>rpetre: setting up a bridge in initrd? found nothing in initramfs-tools...
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10:05<jipsy_>entry link
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10:05<bartm>jipsy_, add this line : /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
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10:06<rpetre>mc68040: the only thing that gave me trouble was having the kernel netboot over the bridge device directly, but i don't recall having trouble with building the initramfs
10:06<rpetre>this was some four years ago though
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10:06<rpetre>mc68040: in any way, open a wishlist bug against initramfs-tools
10:06<jipsy_>ok, so I just paste it on the gedit, Correct?
10:07<zem_>jipsy_: yup
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10:07<zem_>you'll end up with file that looks like this:
10:07<zem_>or should
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10:08<mc68040>rpetre: i use iscsi, so i dont boot kernel via netboot, but boot sector of iscsi disk -> grub -> kernel...
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10:08<rpetre>mc68040: well, that's more similar to the traditional way
10:09<mc68040>rpetre: i already have some patches, so no wish list, i want to give them back to community after cleanup
10:09<jipsy_>yup looks exactly the same... after pasting it what should I do?
10:09<bartm>jipsy_, save the file
10:10<jipsy_>should i name it fstab2?
10:10<rpetre>mc68040: i mean, open the wishlist bug for bridge support and attach your patch. i'm suggesting that even if there is a simpler way already, this might produce better documentation
10:10<zem_>jipsy_: no, overwrite it
10:10<bartm>jipsy_, and then put in your cd
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10:13<jipsy_>ok here's what happened, I opened fstab and it went to gedit.. then I tried to paste the infor you have provided me but it wont let me so I opened another gedit and paste the info that is on the fstab file and added the one you have provided me.
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10:14<zem_>jipsy_: you have to be root to edit /etc/fstab
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10:15<jipsy_>root@jipsy:~# << this is what I have in my terminal.
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10:15<bartm>jipsy_, close the gedit's, open a gnome-terminal, type "su -", type "nano /etc/fstab"
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10:20<jipsy_>I paste it there in the terminal... there is an option here "writeout" should I choose that option?
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10:21<bartm>jipsy_, I don't know about a "writeout" option
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10:22<Crazy_Hopper>hi, i'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but seems to be a good starting point.. i have an amd64 system with recent deb unstable and got a kernel "crash". here is what i got in messages: Could anyone please help me in understanding what's going wrong?
10:22<zem_>jipsy_: just paste the line at the end of the file, and when everything looks fine do ctrl+o, enter, ctrl+x
10:22<jipsy_>great! ctrl o is writeout thnx
10:23<jipsy_>on it
10:23<bartm>jipsy_, and then put in your cd
10:24<jipsy_>crossing fingers here.
10:24<zem_>it should apear in your filebrowser
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10:25<bartm>jipsy_, if it does not automatically mount, then type this : mount /media/cdrom0
10:25<zem_>if it doesn't check if you have a folder named /media/cdrom0
10:26<jipsy_>mount: mount point /media/cdrom0 does not exist
10:26<bartm>jipsy_, pastebin your /etc/fstab again
10:26<jipsy_> no files under media
10:26<zem_>cd media
10:26<zem_>mkdir cdrom0
10:27<zem_>should do it
10:27<cahoot> /media
10:27<zem_>yes /media :)
10:27<bartm>yes the directory...
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10:28<jipsy_>root@jipsy:~# cd media
10:28<jipsy_>-su: cd: media: No such file or directory
10:28<zem_>cd /media
10:28<bartm>jipsy_, mkdir /media/cdrom0
10:28<zem_>or that ^^
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10:29<jipsy_>mkdir: cannot create directory `/media/cdrom0': File exists
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10:29*bartm has a déjà-vu
10:30<jipsy_>it should be there then... sorry newbie here. .. glad to hear it made you laugh ^^
10:30<zem_>try "mount /media/cdrom0"
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10:30<bartm>jipsy_, pastebin your /etc/fstab again
10:30<jipsy_>i greatly appreciate your assistance dudes. ^^
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10:30<cahoot>zem_: doesn't he really want to mount some fs on /media/cdrom0?
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10:31<jipsy_>ount: no medium found on /dev/sr0
10:31<jipsy_>pastebin your /etc/fstab again <waity
10:31<zem_>cahoot: it's in fstab
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10:32<ComradeHaz`>Hi all, I am trying to follow this article but I have immediately run into some differences in what happens and what is suggested. Is there anyone around who thinks they can help with this sort of thing?
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10:33<bartm>ComradeHaz`, no unless you describe the problem(s) you're experiencing :)
10:33<zem_>jipsy_: cd in your cdrom?
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10:33<jipsy_>same cd rom i used in installing linux.
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10:34<cahoot>jipsy_: ls -la /dev/cdrom
10:34<zem_>hmmm... then let's play "guesing the device name"
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10:34<jipsy_>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2011-01-30 18:10 /dev/cdrom -> sr0
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10:34<ComradeHaz`>jipsy_: truth is I'm almost totally inexperienced with PXE. The first issue I have run into and I am unsure if it's a problem yet is that the default config file for tftpd-hpa ppears to have changed so the instructions on there no longer seem to apply.
10:34<ComradeHaz`>Frankly, what I really need is someone to talk me through the process.
10:35<cahoot>jipsy_: mount /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom0 fails too?
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10:35<jipsy_> still loading.
10:35<ComradeHaz`>It's probably also worth mentioning that ultimately I also wish to boot a few deskless, bun not thin win 7 machines from the same server.
10:35<jipsy_>mount: /dev/sr0: unknown device
10:36<jipsy_> too ^^
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10:36<jipsy_>i fully understand what you are going through. ^^
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10:40<jipsy_>this might help..
10:40<jipsy_>[ 1.732200] sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 0x/0x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
10:40<jipsy_>[ 1.732315] sr 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0
10:40<bartm>jipsy_, yes it confirms that sr0 is the device name
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10:45<cahoot>0x/0x seems strange
10:45<cahoot>hw failing?
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10:47<jipsy_>mount: /dev/sr0: unknown device < was the error message
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10:48<Karburator>[ 6.287918] sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 40x/40x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
10:48<jipsy_>model: HL-DT-SL cdrw/ dvd gcc4482
10:48<timekiller>hello, i upgraded from lenny to squeeze and i can't lock my screen anymore
10:48<timekiller>even trying ctrl+alt+L it does not work
10:48<timekiller>any idea ?
10:49<bartm>timekiller, yes, rightclick on the top panel bar, select "add to panel", and then "lock screen"
10:51<timekiller>bartm: thx it helps
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10:51<timekiller>but if there is a way to retrieve the shortcut, i take :)
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10:54<ayaka>when I compile mplayer does the ffmpeg will be same compile?
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10:55<timekiller>hey ctrl+alt+L is back with lock screen activation :))
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10:57<sney>!congratulate timekiller
10:57<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies timekiller, you did it!
10:57<timekiller>now i have one more problem
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10:58<timekiller>for 100 points
10:59<timekiller>i 'm still with the kernel, when i try to boot with the i have a fan speed problem
10:59<jhutchins_lt>timekiller: aptitude full-upgrade
10:59<timekiller>the fan stay at high speed and never stop
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11:00<timekiller>hum i upgraded with apt-get
11:00<timekiller>i fear aptitude
11:01<timekiller>it wants remove compiz...
11:01<timekiller>not sure it will solve the problem
11:01<vladuke>reconfigure fancontrol
11:01<dharc>hey i need help about empathy
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11:02<timekiller>maybe i gonna try to install fancontrol first then
11:02<vladuke>yep =)
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11:03<timekiller>arf... it works with lm_sensors
11:03<timekiller>i never succed to install lm_sensors on my laptop
11:04<tash> timekiller :what laptop? I heard some old thinkpad used to...die with lm_sensors
11:04<timekiller>sony vaio vgn FS315M
11:05<sney>vaio argh
11:06<timekiller>as long as my 2.6.26 kernel works it's not a problem for me, but i guess there will be a time where it will become a problem
11:06<sney>plus you're using a system that's not fully upgraded to squeeze
11:06<sney>and that will break things, eventually
11:06<timekiller>i tryied recompile a new kernel but without any success
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11:06<timekiller>yeah sure...
11:07<anonymous101>use liquorix
11:07<timekiller>i tried to recompile with my old .config file but it looks like it doesn't works, when i launch the compilation it still ask me too much hard question....
11:08*timekiller take a look at what liquorix is
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11:09<jhutchins_lt>timekiller: You can use full-upgrade with apt-get as well, it's the equivalent of the old dist-upgrade. The difference between that and plain upgrade or safe-upgrade is explicitly that those won't do the kernel.
11:10<jhutchins_lt>timekiller: You can also tell aptitude "No" when it offers to remove compiz and see what other solutions it finds.
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11:10<timekiller>it does not work with apt-get here
11:11<anonymous101>currently i'm using lmde 32bits, tracking sid's.. been using liquorix kernel since 2month and never look back.
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11:13<timekiller>not sure it will change a lot of things
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11:13<jhutchins_lt>timekiller: Looks like it's still dist-upgrade for apt-get
11:13<jhutchins_lt>timekiller: Duh, it's a release upgrade.
11:13<timekiller>the problem is just the fan speed with the new kernel
11:13<tpo>babilen, it seems, that since flash wants to use the plain old oss device, blacklisting the module helps:
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11:14<jhutchins_lt>timekiller: Right, that's when you tell it n instead of q and see what else it comes up with.
11:14<tpo>i tried and at least at the moment FF and twinkle seem to be able to coexist just fine
11:14<jhutchins_lt>!tell timekiller about localized errors
11:16<babilen>tpo: Yeah, I mentioned dmix earlier. Glad you've got it working. I wouldn't want to miss pulseaudio's mixing capabilities though.
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11:18<timekiller>it just struggle with compiz ^_^
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11:36<dharc>hey guys i need help
11:37<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
11:37<dharc>empathy dont make video calls
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11:38<dharc>gtalk and jabber show errors when i try see my friend
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11:40<sney>dharc: I need to leave soon, but someone else will probably help you if you give more details. What debian release? what program version? what error messages? remember, we are not at your computer with you.
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11:41<dharc>Empathy 2.30.3
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11:42<dharc>the initial error was: "Could not link source"
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11:45<sret>morning all
11:45<sret>in my update manager i see i have an exim4-confg update, does this mean it will update the config file and i'll have to redo everything/
11:45<sret>i had my exim configured before the first time
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11:46<sney>you can probably keep your existing config file, sret. debconf should ask you if you want to replace or keep or see the updates
11:46<timekiller>most of the time when an upgrade change the config file apt asks you first if you're OK
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11:48<sret>ok so if i do update and i tell debconf to replace it then what happens? i have to reconfigure all over again?
11:48<sret>in the update detials it doesnt say much, it jsut gives me a general description of what exim is.
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11:52<timekiller>can't tell you but anyway you're supposed to make save
11:52<timekiller>just in case...
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11:58<ComradeHaz`>Gentlemen, 4c of Please could you explain lines 2 to 4, do you think? It would probably suffice to tell me how I find that information on any given linux system. For what it's worth I'm asking here (as well as in Ubuntu if I'm honest) as I'm doing this on a debian box serving out Ubuntu...
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11:58<ComradeHaz`>Thing is with ubuntu is no sooner is a qurestion asked it's off the top of the page :/
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12:05<ComradeHaz`>See, the thing that I don't get is that surely the kernel version could change if the system is upgraded?
12:06<drone77>ComradeHaz`: they are in /boot
12:07<ComradeHaz`>Please could you elaborate.
12:08<ComradeHaz`>Specifically if you could explain why my concern about the kernel version changing is ill-founded.
12:08<drone77>look in /boot, you will see those files
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12:09<ComradeHaz`>Right, OK. That makes sense.
12:09<drone77>ComradeHaz`: is it ill-founded? I wouldn't have thought so. Unless someone who knows more about pxe booting than myself has said this to you
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12:09<ComradeHaz`>But that only strengthens my view that the kernel will change and be upgraded.
12:09<ComradeHaz`>No, but surely that's a fairly fundamental flaw.
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12:09<drone77>ComradeHaz`: so make a little script that on boot of the PXE server checks if there is a newer kernel and updates the config file appropriately
12:10<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, fair point, I suppose that should be doable
12:10<ComradeHaz`>Not that I wuld have a clue how, but valid point.
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12:11<ComradeHaz`>By the way, you wouldn't happen to know what I need to do to be able to PXE boot a windows machine would oyu in the same manner.
12:12<ComradeHaz`>That is, diskless but not thin.
12:12<drone77>i have no experience with pxe booting
12:12<ComradeHaz`>Fair enough :)
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12:14<drone77>ComradeHaz`: oh and change my 'on boot of the...' to periodically
12:14<ComradeHaz`>Yes, indeed, that occured to me. :)
12:16<sret>ok im not updating exim
12:17<sret>i guess i'll wait till squeeze
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12:19<a514>Hi There Anyone Around?
12:20<a514>what is the irc debian ssl port?
12:20<babilen>a514: You mean OFTC?
12:20<a514>really? the miz
12:20<Black_Prince>I connected via 9999
12:20<sret>hi babilen
12:20<Black_Prince>And it says I am using ssl
12:20<a514>i'm using empathy on squeeze
12:21<babilen>a514: (ports: 6697, 9999 for SSL)
12:22<a514>i m having a problem, i can't seem to get gnome to use my usb headset for sound, it works fine with ekiga
12:22<a514>thanks for the ssl info
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12:23<a514>i'm flipping out, i install telepathy butterfly and it did not work so i tried haze for msn and it does not connect, maybe msn changed the server
12:24<a514>If anyone can help me, i'd app it , thanks alot
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12:25<a514>brb i'm going on ssl
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12:26<a514>Thanks for the 9999 port info, it works here
12:27<a514>I installed squeeze 686, it works fine. i think faster than Ubuntu
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12:28<a514>I used the netinstall iso and local mirror and it's cool
12:29<jhutchins_lt>a514: I use pidgin from backports.
12:29<a514>ok i like pidgin, for gtalk voice calls
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12:30<a514>i wish google would allow "call phone" through pidgin or empathy like the gmail plugin!
12:31<a514>i'm really getting used to gnome, now i see gnome 3 shell is coming?
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12:33<jhutchins_lt>Not for a while yet.
12:33<a514>I hope Debian uses the best parts of Ubuntu gnome improvments
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12:33<a514>i think compiz is cool for graphics
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12:35<a514>Anyone here like to make music with Schism Tracker?
12:36<a514>ok kinda slow
12:36<a514>i think everyone went to church
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12:37<a514>Any single Women avaiable for chat? hahaha
12:37<nilsson>I cannot update anymore, see this error dump can someone help?
12:38<bartm>nilsson, looks like you're using ubuntu, not debian
12:38<devil>nilsson: this is debian, not crunchbang
12:38<jhutchins_lt>nilsson: Wrong channel.
12:38<nilsson>ehm ok, which channel should I use?
12:38<biiter>hm.. i updatet uml-utilities and now it doens't work with my disk images.. how can i restore the previous version of uml-utilities please?
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12:39<bartm>nilsson, try #ubuntu on
12:39<nilsson>thanks bartm
12:39<a514>Hey is there is gnome thumbnail preview for videos like audio when i put the mouse on files?
12:39<jhutchins_lt>biiter: What versions, on what release?
12:39<Jumpiter4556>Hi, can I resize (increase in unallocated partition adjacent to) a root partition in ext4 in a system at runtime?
12:40<biiter>jhutchins_lt: sequeeze, Installed: 20070815-1.1
12:40<biiter>i don't know how to get the previous version of package
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12:41<jhutchins_lt>biiter: dpkg -l
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12:41<a514>I'm looking for a way to get windows to open where my mouse is, instead of the center of the a screen, how do i change the placement of borders?
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12:42<biiter>|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
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12:43<Jumpiter4556>anyone can help me?
12:43<jhutchins_lt>biiter: aptitude -f install?
12:43<biiter>it did nothing
12:44<jhutchins_lt>Jumpiter4556: Don't know what you mean by "at runtime".
12:44<biiter>i try different image
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12:44<jhutchins_lt>Jumpiter4556: To resize you need to boot from some other medium like a gparted live CD.
12:44<biiter>btw.. how can i determine what is causing this problem : after suspend/resume when playing the video Xorg takes way more CPU than usual.. it's even noticable when i switch tabs in gnome-terminal.. the rendering is generaly slow
12:45<jhutchins_lt>biiter: Possibly something to do with your graphics driver.
12:45<timekiller>try tail .xsession-errors
12:45<biiter>jhutchins_lt: i tried 2.6.37 kernel and it behaves exactly the same
12:45<Jumpiter4556>Resize root partition from the same running system without using livecd ... sorry if I did not write well ..
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12:46<jhutchins_lt>Jumpiter4556: Very bad idea. Possible, not recommended. Be sure you have a backup.
12:46<jhutchins_lt>Jumpiter4556: ... and plenty of time.
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12:47<jhutchins_lt>biiter: It sounds like you have an unstable mixture of software on your system.
12:48<Jumpiter4556>Yeah I know, but was wondering why I can not turn off the machine at the moment ...
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12:50<jhutchins_lt>Jumpiter4556: I think it's possible with gparted, but again, plenty of time and a good backup.
12:52<Jumpiter4556>I tried gparted but obviously it does not unmount the partition. Thanks anyway, I'll do when I can turn off the machine ...
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12:54<biiter>timekiller: there is nothing useful in .xsession-errors
12:55<biiter>jhutchins_lt: i installed the system yesterday and today i only tried linux.2.6.37 from debian experimental .. it didn't helped so i removed the kernel package and downgraded base-linux package back to testing
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13:01<timekiller>i have problem with kernel too...
13:01<timekiller>still in 2.6.26....
13:02<biiter>i have 2.6.32-5-686
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13:02<timekiller>my fan does not like it
13:04<Lantizia>hey what'd be the proper way of expressing a debian package version number if the program is in "beta"... maybe... 0.1b4 perhaps?
13:04<a514>biiter me too 686
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13:05<ansgar>Lantizia: 0.1~beta4 so it sorts before 0.1
13:05<Lantizia>ansgar, ah cool thanks - was looking around for an example but couldn't find any lol
13:06<bartm>Lantizia, dpkg -l|grep -i beta
13:06<Lantizia>bartm, got 2 it seems but they use a dot not a ~
13:07<Lantizia>ansgar, ~ or . ?
13:07<bartm>Lantizia, depends
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13:07<bartm>Lantizia, what package are we talking about ? name?
13:07<a514>What is with Distros improving and not working together?
13:08<Lantizia>bartm, well the example i just found was libcaca-dev
13:08<Lantizia>bartm, but i'm trying to name my own package
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13:09<bartm>Lantizia, what is the name of your own package ? upstream website?
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13:09<Lantizia>bartm, nothing like thta
13:09<a514>What is so complicated about sharing patches
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13:10<bartm>Lantizia, version 0.1.beta if the next release is 0.2, but 0.1~beta if the next release is 0.1
13:10<bartm>Lantizia, so it depends on what the future version will be
13:11<Lantizia>bartm, so i might go... 0.1.beta1 0.1.beta2 0.1.beta3 0.1.beta4 0.1~beta5 0.1
13:11<bartm>Lantizia, the ordering is 0.1~beta < 0.1 < 0.1.beta < 0.2
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13:11<bartm>Lantizia, no because 0.1~beta5 < 0.1.beta1
13:12<Lantizia>well to me i apply the word beta if it's something that is about to come
13:12<Lantizia>not something that has already happened
13:12<bartm>if you intend to release 0.1 after 0.1~beta then always ~ with beta versions
13:12<Lantizia>so what examples of using ~ is there?
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13:13<bartm>a better example, in my opinion, is the abbreviation "rc" for "release candidate, like version 0.1~rc1 < 0.1
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13:14<Lantizia>bartm, ok any examples of those?
13:14<bartm>dpkg -l|grep "~rc"
13:14<dpkg>no idea, bartm
13:15<jhutchins_lt>Traditionally there is the alpha release - first public trial, beta - presumed working but looking for bugs (like Testing), possibly several releases, then Release Candidates which are presumed to be completely fixed but need to be checked.
13:16<Lantizia>well I've had alpha already... was gonna finish up with rc then final
13:17<bartm>all with the same number?
13:17<Lantizia>yeah! :D
13:17<bartm>Lantizia, in that case you could use 0.1~alpha < 0.1~beta < 0.1~rc < 0.1
13:18<Lantizia>two alphas about 4 betas so far
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13:18<Lantizia>eventually i'll hit 0.1 and fix minor stuff with -1 -2 etc
13:19<bartm>Lantizia, better not use -1 -2 etc in upstream version numbering, because debian uses -1 -2 etc for debian package revision numbers
13:19<Lantizia>it's only going on my repo
13:19<ompaul>and when you merge upstream where will you be?
13:19<Lantizia>just a script for installing/upgrading my boxes but i package it
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13:20<Lantizia>has a few config files with it and stuff that's all
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13:43<a514>Does Anyone know how to change the window borders to open where my mouse is ?
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13:44<a514>I would like to know how to change the placement of new windows
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14:03<timekiller>what the name of the windows key ?
14:04<timekiller>i try to configure keyboard shortcut in gcong-editor
14:04<timekiller>i tried <Win> but it does not work
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14:05<timekiller>i tend to repeat this too much times these last days.... "it does not work"...
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14:05<ComradeHaz`>timekiller: it's not a standard modifier like alt or ctrl
14:06<ComradeHaz`>It sends Ctrl+Esc
14:06<babilen>timekiller: Use "xev" to find out -- might be "Super_L" or "Mod4" (depends on where you set it)
14:07<timekiller>thanx guys
14:07<amphi>Super_L is probably the keysym
14:08<babilen>yes, exactly
14:08<luca_>I have a SSH server but when I log in I can't see nothing in /var/log/messages. Is the right file to see logs for ssh connections?
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14:20<mike>i have a DVC-80 Dazzle video device, is there a linux driver i can use to transfer my videos to PC with it?
14:21<mike>i think there is, becasue i see lots of chatter on it. but i cant find the actual driver
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14:21<comtechs>hmm. this nick was registered.. lol
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14:30<comtechs>is there a driver that is compatible or will work with the DVC-80 Video capture device?
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14:36<Geli>i installed an xfcb based DEBIAN but i cannot find the network settings
14:36<Geli>where are they?
14:37<Geli>i cannot find them
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14:41<Torsten_W>and the networksettings are there, where they are in every linux
14:42<tash>I guess he is asking for a gui
14:42<Geli>where's the gui
14:42<torjeh>luca_: try /var/log/auth.log
14:43<jhutchins_lt>Torsten_W: It's just Debian and Debian derivitives that use the interfaces file last I knew.
14:43<drone77>comtechs: google says it is supported by usbvision, which appears to be in (at least) 2.6.26
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14:48<Geli>where's the gui of the network settings?
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14:48<Geli>in xtce
14:48<Geli>in xfce
14:48<torjeh>Geli, I believe what you are looking for is the nm-applet that usually runs in the gnome-panel.
14:48<Geli>i have Debian
14:49<cahoot>I'd guess wicd for xfce
14:49<Geli>w xfce
14:49<babilen>I guess both work -- Question is what Geli is thinking of. :)
14:49<Geli>but where can i set?
14:50<babilen>Geli: like that? Or rather like: ?
14:51<Geli>i have xfce
14:51<Geli>not gnome
14:51<Geli>and i don't have internet on the linux pc
14:52<babilen>so you can't take a look at the screenshots and tell me what you are referring to?
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14:52<Geli>but anybody know how to install My Media System offline?
14:52<Geli>very hard to put internet on that pc
14:52<tash>wicd could work, but xfce has its own network manager
14:52<babilen>that is an entirely different question
14:52<babilen>tash: Does it? Which package is that?
14:53<Torsten_W>xfce does not have an own network-manager
14:54<babilen>I call bs on that
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14:54<Torsten_W>has never had
14:54<jhutchins_lt>The NM gui's are just wrappers for the console system, there's a TCL version too.
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14:54<Geli>do xfce cannot use internet?
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14:54<jhutchins_lt>Geli: No, xfce uses the console internet.
14:54<Geli>don't try
14:54<babilen>Geli: It sure can, could you please take a look at both screenshots and tell me which one resembles the program you talk about?
14:55<Geli>any of these
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14:55<Geli>babilen any of these
14:56<Geli>but never mind
14:56<Geli>another question
14:56<Geli>how to install My Media System without internet?
14:56<babilen>those are two different programs .. It can't resemble both -- Do you had the "click on network something in the panel and select from drop-down menu" thing (→ network-manager) or the "click on network-something in the panel and it opens a window" think (→ wicd)
14:57<Geli>but now never mind
14:57<babilen>And what is a "My Media System" and why would it need internet?
14:57<Geli>installing a program in linux usually needs internet
14:57<tash>I guess is some htpc-like
14:57<Geli>it's a media center program
14:58<Geli>i wanna make a big mp4 player out of an old pc
14:58<Geli>i installed a minimal debian with xfce
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14:58<Geli>and i cannot have internet on that pc
14:59<Geli>but i need to install something program
14:59<Geli>(My medi system)
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14:59<Geli>drone77 it's with internet
15:00<drone77>geli you will need to download the packages on another system then and use dpkg to install them
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15:00<Geli>so i download it to a pen-drive
15:01<Geli>and plun into another pc and type dpkg?
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15:02<Geli>ooooh :'(
15:02<drone77>you will need to download all the packages you require (including dependencies) and then put them on a 'pen-drive'. You can then use dpkg to install
15:02<drone77>i don't know why you didn't listen to babilen about the network configuration
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15:02<Geli>because i cannot plug intenet in
15:03<Geli>because i cannot plug intenet into the pc
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15:03<Geli>... project hosting terminated
15:03<drone77>but you asked about network access? you can use these programs for this also
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15:04<Geli>anybody knows a good media center program?
15:04<mohammed>dat is my problem
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15:05<Geli>:@ i put this pc to the garbage i have problems with it
15:05<Geli>i installed 10 os in 1 month
15:05<Geli>but i always have problems
15:06<mohammed>why wine do not work in my pc
15:06<drone77>coincidence? I think not!
15:06<Torsten_W>mohammed, why my car does not drive?
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15:08<mohammed>bcos u are not a driver
15:08<Geli>babilen are you still here?
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15:11<jhutchins>!telll Geli about apt offline
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15:12<Geli>oh, thanks!
15:12<Geli>!telll Geli about apt offline
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15:14<jhutchins>Geli: The generally accepted format is /msg dpkg <keyword>, /msg dpkg apt offline in this case.
15:14<jhutchins>Geli: Most irc clients will put the results in a new window.
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15:31<Arjuna>hello dudes and dudettes
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15:33<Arjuna>any idea how to suppress ANY tcpdump timestamps and protocol data when using the flag -A ? I'm using " -n -N -A -q -t" but I still get the occasional timestamp ... i just want the pure ASCII to process (piped into perl script)
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15:34<Arjuna>btw, sniffing http traffic
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15:41<BullDoG>Ëþäè,ó ìåíÿ òàêàÿ ïðîáëåìà...íåìîãó çàñòàâèòü debian óñòàíàâèëâàòüñÿ ñ ôëåøêè...âñ¸ âðåìÿ ëèáî ÷¸ðòî÷êà êîìàíäíîé ñòðîêè ïðè çàãðóçêå ñ ôëåøêè ëèáî Start booting from usb device â ïåðâîé ñòðîêå..è âòîðàÿ ñòðîêà Syslinux è âåðñèÿ...
15:42<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
15:42<BullDoG>äàëüøå íå èä¸ò ïðîöåññ..÷òî äåëàòü?
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15:42<comtechs>ok i got usbvision, but its a source file not compiled. its telling me to place it in a directory, but i dont have permission.
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15:43<comtechs>how do i get root permission to the kernel dirs
15:43<comtechs>so i can run the makefile
15:45<ComradeHaz`>Hi all. I have followed the unstructions on but when I try to boot the client it successfully loads the pxelinux.cfg/default file(indicated by it saying 'ok' at the end of that line) but the very next message is "No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found!" Can anyone assist, please? (This IS a debian server, btw).
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15:47<Tiff>Would suggest not reading documentation for Ubuntu and applying it to a Debian server, for one.
15:47<Dirtyfrench>anyone familliar with the code of software-propreties-gtk ?
15:48<Dirtyfrench>anyone familliar with the code of software-properties-gtk ?
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15:48<Tiff>Dirtyfrench: if you have a question about it, ask it.
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15:49<Dirtyfrench>im trying to find what part of the code populates the list under Other Software in software-properties-gtk for a similar project
15:51<Dirtyfrench>anyone ?
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15:51<pinoy83>need to install rtl8187B adapter in lenny. i'm following this link - but i'm having trouble on how to install backport kernel for this purpose. I've tried having a look here but i'm still not sure... can you please advise?
15:52<ComradeHaz`>Tiff: sure, but there's not much out there on this.
15:53<ComradeHaz`>Tiff: I have found the potential issue. The guide says that in /tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default I should specify APPEND root=/dev/nfs but there is no such device on my server. Is that a debian / ubuntu difference, or should I have something installed
15:53<drone77>there is loads
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15:54<drone77>ComradeHaz`: on that page specifically the DEFAULT and UI sections as you mentioned in the error message
15:55<ComradeHaz`>drone77: what do you mean?
15:55<drone77>ComradeHaz`: that link says how to configure syslinux
15:55<ComradeHaz`>Yeah, looking at it
15:55<ComradeHaz`>can you point me at anything in particular?
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15:56<drone77>ComradeHaz`: I just did, the DEFAULT and UI sections are quite possibly the issue as the message you say is an error is: "No DEFAULT or UI configuration..."
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15:58<drone77>ComradeHaz`: or as you like ubuntu advise for your debian server: try top of this page possibly I don't condone that however, and it's for usb (although that also uses syslinux)
15:59<ComradeHaz`>Well, I went with that guide as it's ubuntu I'm serving out
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15:59<ComradeHaz`>I figured it'd be sixes and two threes as to whether to use an ubuntu or a debian guide
16:02<drone77>ComradeHaz`: it can be, but I do not want to say it WILL work.
16:02<drone77>as i don't know background etc
16:02<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, sure.
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16:02<ComradeHaz`>trying all sorts
16:03<ComradeHaz`>Have been for hours
16:03<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: Have you considered using ltsp?
16:04<drone77>ComradeHaz`: the syslinux page is probably your best bet, or try looking through this (despite age)
16:04<ComradeHaz`>um, not sure what it is
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16:04<ComradeHaz`>I'm totally new to this.
16:05<dpkg>it has been said that ltsp is the Linux Terminal Server Project. #ltsp on
16:05<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: Pretty close to aptitude install ltsp-server, boot the client.
16:05<ComradeHaz`>Don't think that's what I want jhutchins
16:06<ComradeHaz`>I want diskless, but not thin clients
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16:06<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: ltsp can be adjusted for whether applications run on the server or on the client.
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16:08<ComradeHaz`>I have spent most of today trying to do this
16:08<ComradeHaz`>I really don't see what I've done wrongly
16:08<ComradeHaz`>Really quite pissed off :(
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16:10<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: I suggest using ltsp to get a working system, then tune & tweak knowing that you can get back to the working system. (Change one thing at a time, take notes.)
16:11<jhutchins_lt>I tried to get a multi-purpose PXE server working to do clonezilla and installs and never did finish the project.
16:11<ComradeHaz`>so how does ltsp differ from pxe?
16:11<jhutchins_lt>I had a lot of trouble figuring out the boot menu and the filestructure.
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16:12<jhutchins_lt>ltsp uses pxe, it's just a collection of what you need, including working configuration files.
16:12<ComradeHaz`>sorry, I meant syslinux.
16:12<jhutchins_lt>I believe it uses syslinux as well.
16:13<ComradeHaz`>See, I think I need to use syslinux long term to roll out xen as I want to diskless boot win7 clients too eventually
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16:13<ComradeHaz`>other thing, of course, is how much of what I've done I need to totally break in order to not conflict with ltsp
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16:15<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: Check the links above.
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16:15<ComradeHaz`>w8l: Yeah, I am
16:15<ComradeHaz`>It's not as though it addresses that issue directly though, is it!
16:16<ComradeHaz`>Oh, jhutchins, does this only enable me to roll out debian to clients?
16:16<ComradeHaz`>I want to roll out ubuntu
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16:16<ComradeHaz`>ltsp, I mean
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16:17<Eulenspiegel69>critical files such as /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf are readable to everyone
16:17<Eulenspiegel69>by default.. is this wanted?
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16:20<ComradeHaz`>Grrr, it's dead frustrating there's not more people able to help me with this. I think the truth is it's beyond me and I need to accept that :(
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16:22<drone77>don't give in!
16:22<ComradeHaz`>pretty close to doing so, to be honset
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16:23<ComradeHaz`>Kernel panic!
16:23<ComradeHaz`>That *MUST* be progress!
16:23<ComradeHaz`>ipconfig: no devices to configure
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16:24<ComradeHaz`>Now, I imagine that is something to do with the first 'Gotcha' on
16:24<drone77>"Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in" ;)
16:25<ComradeHaz`>I thought I had addressed that by doing part....
16:26<ComradeHaz`>2c of 'Creating your NFS installation'
16:26<ComradeHaz`>Have you guys any thoughts?
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16:32<ComradeHaz`>OK, so it works on my latop
16:32<drone77>magic google suggest you may possibly have to add it to the end of /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions also, again i am guessing
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16:32<ComradeHaz`>Got a bit further on laptop
16:33<mercutio22>I installed PCBSD on an old computer and then tried to install debian testing afterwards. During the partioning part of the installation process a message was displayed saying the MBR was corrupted and asked wether it was MS-DOS type or another 3 letter acronym (cant recall).
16:33<mercutio22>Now I cant boot into any live cd
16:33<mercutio22>The boot process halts before that
16:33<mercutio22>Thats so weird
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16:36<troulouliou>hi is there a way to encrypt the root partition of my laptop debian without using LVM
16:36<ComradeHaz`>that gets to "nfsmount: need a path"
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16:54<edgar>hi people
16:55<edgar>a few months ago my soundcard decided to quit, no apparent reason, no error messages, only skype seemed to notice, and i think thats because it monitors the mic levels,
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16:56<edgar>now i got me a sound blaster x-fi, i checked it out on the store and it seems there is decent linux support for it, specifically in alsa, which i use,
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16:57<edgar>i cant seem to get sound out of it, have no idea how to get the system to see it, or indeed if it does, the only change seems to be that now skype lets me make calls, rather than complaining that the sound is messed up
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16:57<edgar>anyone out there can help? id be much obliged
16:59<timekiller>i can help ya for the first step
16:59<timekiller>just try "lspci" if you see your card
16:59<timekiller>then google on it
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17:00<edgar>i did, i cant see it there, also tried lsusb, cant see it there either
17:00<timekiller>if you don't it's no luck
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17:00<edgar>i can send you the output in a private message, if you want
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17:01<jhutchins_lt>dpkg-reconfigure alsa?
17:02<edgar>sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base, that the same?
17:03<edgar>should that change the lspci output?
17:03<timekiller>hey, maybe
17:04<edgar>if its a usb card, is it even supposed to show up in lspci?
17:04<timekiller>anyway you have no sound right now so...
17:04<timekiller>try it you can't loose
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17:04<abrotman>edgar: what is 'uname -r' ?
17:04<timekiller>it's a usb card ?
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17:05<edgar>yep, its a usb card
17:05<timekiller>good luck :D
17:05<edgar>or device, or whatever you wanna call it, &8'D
17:05<edgar>why, timekiller?
17:06<edgar>ohh, btw, i did try dpkg-reconfigure
17:06<jhutchins_lt>edgar: lsusb should show it, you should see something in dmesg | tail -10
17:06<jhutchins_lt>edgar: If the old card is still configured that could prevent the system from seeing it.
17:06<timekiller>just have bad experience with usb device, tho....
17:07<edgar>how do i tell the old card to bugger off?
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17:07<edgar>tk, this is what i see in dmesg that seems relevant:
17:07<edgar>[63636.184060] hub 4-0:1.0: over-current change on port 2
17:07<jhutchins_lt>edgar: reconfigure alsa, make sure the old card is either removed or disabled in the BIOS.
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17:08<edgar>the old card is internal, problably part of the motherboard
17:08<jhutchins_lt>edgar: Ah, to clarify, unplug, plug back in, look at dmesg
17:08<edgar>shouldn't alsa see both and let you choose?
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17:08<jhutchins_lt>edgar: "should" is such a useless term when dealing with computers.
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17:09<jhutchins_lt>edgar: If it's built in it should be possible to disable it in the bios.
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17:09<edgar>i did (unplug, replug, dmesg), no change
17:09<edgar>that implies a reboot, right?
17:10<edgar>yep, even switched the usb port, no diff as far as dmesg is concerned
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17:17<jhutchins>edgar: That's not good, dmesg should show something. You can try tail -f dmesg, then unplug and plug back in to be sure.
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17:19<edgar>dmesg | tail -f cool?
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17:20<perlsyntax>If i going to install debian i just need the first cd right?
17:20<edgar>nothing, nada
17:21<edgar>ive got the soundcard and an iphone (gift, i despise apple &8-), on my two usb ports, i switch them back and forth, and no change in dmesg
17:21<streuner_>!+tell perlsytax -about netinstall
17:21<dpkg>told perlsytax about netinstall.
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17:24<jhutchins>edgar: No, tail -f dmesg
17:25<jhutchins>edgar: tail shows the end of the file, -f follows it as it updates.
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17:26<jhutchins>edgar: And I am wrong, thinking of logfiles. dmesg is a command that reads a log.
17:27<jhutchins>edgar: I'm not sure what the correct format to follow dmesg is.
17:27<edgar>tail: cannot open `dmesg' for reading: No such file or directory
17:27<edgar>tail: no files remaining
17:27<abrotman>/var/log/dmesg ?
17:28<ansgar>I suggest /var/log/kern.log.
17:28<edgar>when i did dmesg | tail -f i got the last of dmesg
17:29<jhutchins>edgar: I suggest: watch dmesg | tail -15
17:29<edgar>also, when i just do dmesg, i see no change
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17:29<edgar>tell me something that is sure to show up in dmesg
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17:29<edgar>just to be sure im monitoring correctly
17:30<timon>how would I go about using apt-get to download a package provided in a 3rd-party repository depending on a lib which *once upon a time* was shipped in its own packages but has now been merged into another package, providing ~4 libs?
17:30<timon>slap the package maintainer of the package I want to install?
17:30<abrotman>timon: probably
17:30<abrotman>timon: or unpack the package, fix the control file, repack, install
17:31<edgar>it seems like no change in dmest
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17:33<edgar>i was not monitoring correctly
17:33<edgar>i get this events, over n over:
17:34<edgar>[91762.222569] hub 1-0:1.0: over-current change on port 2
17:34<edgar>[91762.324045] hub 4-0:1.0: over-current change on port 2
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17:34<edgar>first entry a timestamp? seconds after the epoch?
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17:36<grummund>Hi, can somebody tell me will aptitude safe-upgrade say so if it holds back any packages that would otherwise be installed with full-upgrade?
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17:39<abrotman>grummund: it should
17:41<grummund>ok thanks, just wondering that's all
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17:48<edgar>ok. thx
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17:49<edgar>later, sorry. if anyone cares to leave more advice, please do, if you say 'edgar' or msg me, ill read it when i get back
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17:49<edgar>have a lovely night, or day, people
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18:07<grummund>is there a command that will direct all services to stop?
18:08<grummund>rather than manually do multiple "/etc/init.d/foo stop "
18:08<grummund>hmm, while maintaining an ssh session...
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18:11<Tiff>I can't think of a legitimate reason which would need the cessation of every single service like that...
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18:12<grummund>to free up memory on a resource constrained box, where even apt-get has trouble otherwise ;)
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18:13<grummund>there is only a few services so it's not a problem to do manually, but i would have thought that this is what "telinit S" was for, no?
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18:14<grummund>telinit S appears to do nothing, and telinit 1 kicks me off but leaves services running
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18:19<mercutio22>How can I find out which is my cdrom device? dmesg | grep cdrom finds nothing
18:19<mercutio22>I suspect its missing
18:20<abrotman>mercutio22: dmesg | grep -i cd ?
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18:21<mercutio22>abrotman: I don't see it...
18:22<abrotman>perhaps it's "dmesg | grep -i dvd" ?
18:22<mercutio22>abrotman: no output
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18:23<mercutio22>abrotman: what the heck... maybe it really IS missing
18:23<abrotman>does /dev/cdrom link to anything ?
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18:23<Wasmosy>mercutio take a look in /dev/sr0
18:23<mercutio22>abrotman: no such file/dir
18:24<mercutio22>Wasmosy: no such file/dir
18:24<mercutio22>ok guys, thats
18:24<Wasmosy>mercutio22: its IDE or SATA?
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18:24<Wasmosy>mercutio22: take a look if its well conected and stuff like that
18:25<mercutio22>it seems I have some bigger problem here
18:25<mercutio22>I will try and investigate later
18:25<mercutio22>Thanks for the help. I will unplug, replug cables
18:25<mercutio22>gtg now
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18:29<gfroxel>im attempting to install debian with lxde or icewm on my netbook (no optical drive). ive made a bootable flash using the business card image however that does not seem to contain the alternative desktop environments and the net-install image is too large. is anyone aware of a way around this problem such as a way to create a bootable installer using a flashdrive with multiple partitions or an image that defaults to lxde/icewm
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18:29<tharkun>gfroxel: If you have another box you could try pxe booting
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18:30<amphi>gfroxel: why not just install the base system, and then install what else you want with aptitude?
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18:31<abrotman>using the business card is relaly less than optimal usually
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18:32<gfroxel>amphi: id rather have it from the start to avoid having to remove lots of stuff that may or may not be used possibly resulting in an unstable environment
18:32<gfroxel>tharkun: ill check that out
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18:33<tharkun>gfroxel: installing the base sistem and then installing xfce4 metapackage is also a usefull solution
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18:33<amphi>gfroxel: what would you need to remove? a base-install (no DE or anything) from usb, and then aptitude for whatever else you want, when you've set up your sources.list
18:33<Nemoder_>heh, you're more likely to get things you dont need by using the installer's tasksel than selecting what you want individually in aptitude
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18:33<tharkun>ups sorry it is lxde you are looking for. Anyway it can also be done and it needs far less work than setting up pxe booting
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18:34<gfroxel>hmm... yeah, i guess installing a cli environment only then adding the gui later probably is the best bet
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18:45<dpkg>corvus_corax: bugger all, i dunno
18:46<sret>i learnt something aobut checking server loads and connections using netstat
18:46<sret>interesting,m it shows the list of ips that are connected, grep it for each port and even nicer
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18:49<tharkun>sret: that is why most rootkits substitute netstat for their own copy
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18:50<sret>tharkun: what do you mean
18:50<sret>oh so doing a netstat doesnt cut it out? since there could be rootkits that take its place?
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18:50<sret>interesting didnt know
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18:51<amphi>a rootkit could patch the kernel in memory…
18:51<sret>to deal with rootkits what do i use in debian
18:51<sret>jmarsden suggested tripwire but im not ready for that one yet
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19:02<ComradeHaz`>Hi all. I am working on a debian server, trying to set up a pxe booted ubuntu client. Would you guys be prepared to help me with something I am totally stick with. I do not know whether the issue is a fault with the ubuntu client config or the debian server....
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19:02<tharkun>ComradeHaz`: state your facts, what you expect and what you are experiencing
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19:05<mom>is there like an official marketing branch of debian that i could request marketing stuff for my installfest?
19:05<ComradeHaz`>I have been trying to pxe boot a system as described above, and I seem to be 'so close and yet so far'. I am following but alsoplenty of other guides but I can't seem to sort out the error I get with it not bringing up the network interface successfully. I think the critical error line is:
19:06<ComradeHaz`>"mknod: invalid number '/srv/netboot/nfsroot'"
19:06<ComradeHaz`>By critical I mean the line where the error 'strikes'.
19:07<ComradeHaz`>The way this problem goes on to manifest itself is that the interface never becomes 'ready'. Presumably it never tries to get, or is assigned, an IP
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19:11<sret>my debwian box just waent blank
19:11<sret>a black screen is all i see
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19:11<sret>what the hell
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19:12<dvs>sret: press shift key?
19:12<sret>failed to start the X server, would you like to view the server output to diagnose the priblem
19:12<sret>what the hell
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19:13<sret>this is bizarre im in Vt1 prompt now
19:14<sret>i tried starying gdm ctrl alt f7 and i get nothing just a blank screne
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19:15<sret>how do i reconfigure this to the default?
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19:16<sret>what i need to look at is restoring the xorg config files right?
19:16<sret>and xserver-xorg
19:16<sret>shit how do i get off this xserver-xorg configuring
19:17<dli>sret, can you do without xorg.conf?
19:17<sret>what do you mean
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19:17<sret>right now im at " configuring xserver-xorg
19:17<sret>im not even sure why im there but how do i get off that?
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19:18<sret>esc doesnt returne me to prompt
19:18<amphi>ctrl-c ?
19:18<sret>its got a greay window on a blue bg talking about configuring it
19:18<sret>^c doesnt work
19:19<sret>i just wanna get off this xserver-xorf configguring part, i know last time it happened it was easier to do than doing all this
19:19<dli>sret, hope it's not the old xf86configure
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19:20<sret>i have no idea its asking aobut my keyboard layout and what not
19:20<amphi>sret: what command did you run?
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19:20<sret>last toime i didnt have to do this, it just gave me a default xorg and it booted up gdm
19:20<sret>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
19:20<dli>sret, I didn't select X or anything during tasksel stage of installation for past years. :( always boot the new system and install packages
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19:21<sret>i want to get off the server-xorg configuring part before i do anything right now
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19:21<sret>because i wasnt prepared to configure it in this manner where its asking a shitload of stuff
19:22<dli>sret, I always enable ssh login, so, even if I mess up all keymaps, still be able to login and correct
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19:24<sret>any ideas
19:25<sret>how do i get outta this
19:25<sret>the xorg people say its a debian thing..
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19:26<timekiller>remove --purge, reboot, reinstall
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19:27<timekiller>remove & --purge xorg, reboot and reinstall xorg
19:28<sret>im not going to reinstall xorg
19:28<abrotman>what will that solve?
19:28<sret>i just want the default xorg conf
19:28<sret>andi know i did this the last time just typing in two lines in tty
19:28<abrotman>the right package is 'xorg' btw
19:28<dvs>sret: rename the old xorg.conf fiel
19:28<sret>and it booted me back to gdm
19:28<sret>i dont need to purge or remove or reinstal
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19:28<abrotman>but the correct package for X is 'xorg' .. not xserver-xorg
19:28<sret>abrotman: right
19:28<sret>i got in the wrong place and i wanted to get out
19:29<abrotman>wrong place?
19:29<sret>this is absolutely bizzare
19:29<sret>i restarted my machine
19:29<sret>gdm works
19:29<abrotman>problem solved .. carry on!
19:30<timekiller>sounds like windows stuff
19:30<sret>abrotman: why do you think xorg crashed
19:30<sret>can i paste the xorg error logs, if so where is it located?
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19:31<abrotman>sret: /var/log/Xorg.0.log .. but it worked, so the log has been overwritten
19:31<sret>abrotman: it wont tell you why it crashed before?
19:31<amphi>sret: one of the older logs might
19:32<amphi>/var/log/Xorg.1.log for example
19:32<kop_>abrotman: Isn't there a *.old xorg log? (Or is that something I've done?)
19:32<kop_>amphi: The number is the display number, not the version number.
19:32<abrotman>kop_: nope ..
19:32<timekiller>yes there is a old one here
19:32<kop_>timekiller: Lenny here.
19:33<abrotman>oh, maybe they changed it .. seems there is now
19:33<amphi>kop_: ah, right - /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old then
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19:35<sret>ive got two old xorg logs
19:35<sret>20.log.old and 0.log.olg
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19:52<sret>ok guys here it is
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19:53<Wasmosy>sret: are you in squeeze?
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19:54<sret>Wasmosy: no lenny
19:54<sret>this is the second time xorg crashed on me
19:54<Wasmosy>sret[drm]+Could+not+set+DRM+device+bus+ID.&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a .. take a look
19:55<sret>DRM issue?
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19:56<sret>whats the issue though im looking at?
19:56<Wasmosy>sret the log says that .. is it a intel onboard ?
19:56<sret>intel D
19:57<sret>xorg folks are saying its my xorg, its like 2.5 yrs old
19:57<sret>i thought debian lenny was supposed to be update on it no?
19:58<Wasmosy>sret lenny is a little old .. in lenny the software isnt updated .. its only fixed for bugs ...
19:58<Wasmosy>sret try updating to squeeze ...
19:58<sret>but why would it crash
19:58<sret>its not like im running anything major here
19:58<sret>no media files nothing
19:59<sret>dont even use compiz anymore, or xllvnc, thats about the only thing here and bunch of irc stuff
19:59<Wasmosy>sret it started to crash from nothing? have yo have a problem like this before?
20:00<sret>from nothing
20:00<sret>just went black
20:00<sret>^alt f1 , got to vt1
20:00<Wasmosy>sret a recently update?
20:00<sret>exim-config was in update this morning and i didnt update it
20:01<sret>not sure that has anything to do with it
20:02<Wasmosy>i dont think so ... is there anything special in your xorg.conf?
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20:03<sret>i just pasted you the logs, you can see
20:04<Wasmosy>sret the only problem seems to be that drm error .. try purging your xorg and reinstalling it ...
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20:07<sret>whats this DRm issue supposed to mean anyhow?
20:09<Wasmosy>is the direct rendering manager ... is the responsable of the 3D aceleration with open drivers
20:10<sret>that sort of sounds ike something compiz would muck up
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20:10<sret>compiz has direct rendering
20:10<sret>but compiz has been turned off, metacity is on
20:11<Wasmosy>sret is strange ... try to update to squeeze as fast as you can ... lenny is a little bit old
20:11<Wasmosy>sret: and squeeze is almost stable ...
20:12<sret>yeha in few days
20:12<sret>im kinda getting the hint why it crashed if you say Drm is direct rendering
20:12<Wasmosy>sret try to look to the last updates ...
20:13<sret>i was listening to a shoutcast on my media player and it was playing those plugins like you have in windows for media player, where it shows you a bunch of different colors and stuff animated
20:13<sret>or whatever they call it
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20:13<sret>maybe that uses direct rendering and therefore the crash?
20:15<Wasmosy>sret makes no sense .. crash from nothing .. and its a very stable distro ...
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20:16<Wasmosy>sret: is there nothing in debian forums?
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20:17<sret>im asking in intel-gfx
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20:17<sret>i believe it is that media player that comes with debian that caused this crash
20:18<sret>it was playing that video in the bg that uses a lot of plugins i believe and uses dr
20:18<sret>though i havent added or removed anything, it came with debian
20:18<amphi>what media player?
20:18<sret>let me check
20:19<sret>totem movie player
20:19<amphi>I've never used that one
20:19<sret>its default in lenny
20:19<sret>i opened a shoutcast link and it opened it in totem
20:19<sret>and had that fuzzy coloring video in the background
20:19<sret>that likely uses direct rendering
20:20<sret>and i know this board doesnt support rendering because whle i was installing compiz, it clearly said there was no rendering or i could've misread
20:21<amphi>xdriinfo will tell you
20:21<sret>Screen ): i915
20:21<sret>Screen 0: i915
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20:24<sret>mean anything?
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20:27<Wasmosy>its the driver that are you using
20:27<Wasmosy>try "glxinfo |grep rendering"
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20:28<flaccid>ooo 5th/6th - i assume this is the first major GA release and not an RC?
20:29<sret>if i do a glxinfo
20:29<sret>under direct rendering: Yes
20:30<sret>which means the board can do DRI
20:31<sret>few more days and i should be able to update xorg to the latest with squeeze
20:32<Wasmosy>sret try reinstalling ...
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20:33<dvs>why reinstall?\
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20:34<Wasmosy>dvs have a better idea? xDD
20:34<flaccid>i'll take that as a yes :)
20:34<dvs>Wasmosy: UPGRADE to squeeze?
20:34<Wasmosy>dvs its more complicated
20:34<Wasmosy>reinstalling only xorg btw
20:35<dvs>oh, ok
20:35<dvs>I thought you meant the entire OS.
20:35<Wasmosy>dvs no no ... only xorg
20:35<dvs>but reinstalling xorg would still be a big pain.
20:36<Wasmosy>dvs only a few package to download ... where is the big deal?
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20:38<dvs>Wasmosy: it's the reconfiguring everything that would be time consuming.
20:38<flaccid>conf files are backed up and can be backed up and restored.
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20:39<flaccid>if you don't purge packages, you'll certainly have their configs if the package is designed correctly
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20:41<dvs>but wasn't the configuration files the problem in this case?
20:42<Wasmosy>dvs its something about drm ... ... take a look
20:42<dvs>and where is the DRM configured?
20:44<sret>the xorg conf hasnt changed at all
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20:44<sret>ive been using the default
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20:47<sret>so lenny support will continue for another yr
20:47<flaccid>define support
20:48<sret>bugs and so on, fixes
20:48<flaccid>right, i wouldn't mind knowing that too
20:48<Tiff>Typically, yes.
20:49<Tiff>Lenny will be known as oldstable and will receive ~1yr security updates, etc.
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20:50<Tiff>Etch's support will end on 15th Feb, a year after Lenny's release.
20:51<abrotman>uhm .. etch's support ended awhile ago
20:52<Tiff>Erm, that's what I mean. Bad wording. 15th Feb 2010.
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20:52<Tiff>Was example to show that oldstable gets 1 yr after next stable release.
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20:57<flaccid>yeah but security fixes only right?
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20:57<Tiff>Stable always only gets security fixes.
20:58<abrotman>not true
20:58<flaccid>is there a policy i can read?
20:58<Tiff>And some critical usability fixes.
20:58<abrotman>!point release
20:58<dpkg>Point releases are updates to <stable> and <oldstable>, fixing security and grave bug fixes. You can upgrade to the latest point release by referencing a Debian <mirror> in /etc/apt/sources.list, then "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". For Etch and prior, these were known as "4.0rX" but from Lenny onwards they are called "5.0.X" etc. See <5.0.8>, <4.0r9>.
20:59<flaccid>well i'm pretty excited about squeeze. ec2 images will be released as soon as i can once released
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21:45<flaccid>dang i'm a little confused. which cd image should i get for netinst latest debian testing/squeeze?
21:46<flaccid>they don't build it?
21:47<gsimmons>dpkg: tell flaccid -about install testing
21:48<flaccid> sweet
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21:50<flaccid>i can just update with apt when 6.0 is released
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22:03<tash>when I mount a pendrive via mount, i cant write on it as a non-root user
22:04<tash>i dont want to be loging as root just to write on it
22:04<Wasmosy>tash do you have the usb mount package?
22:05<tash>i guess not Wasmosy , let me see
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22:07<tash>it isnt isn't Wasmosy
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22:08<li>But I really need your help
22:09<Wasmosy>tash: install it .. "usbmount" is named
22:10<tash>i already did, but I get an error, it seem like the fstab take sdb1 as cdrom
22:10<Wasmosy>and ... post your fstab to pastebin ... to take a look
22:11<amphi>li: you must ask your question
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22:12<tash>I commented the lline and now automount works but still cant write as a normal user
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22:13<tash>I mean non-root user
22:14<Wasmosy>tash what graphic enviorment do you use?
22:14<Wasmosy>tash my usb pendrive have this when its mounted (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks,uid=1001,gid=1001,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush)
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22:16<tash>Wasmosy: I want a general solution that could work even on a cli enviorment
22:16<Wasmosy>tash when im in cli i have to mount myself ...
22:17<tash>my problem is not mounting. my problem is writing as non-root user
22:17<li>I'm a chinese boy,and could't grasp your mean.
22:17<tash>how can I specify those options that you already told me
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22:18<Wasmosy>tash i think you have to work in udev , let me take a look
22:18<Wasmosy>li you undestand english a little?
22:19<dpkg>from memory, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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22:20<dli>li, at least, pastebin error messages in english
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22:21<tash>Wasmosy: something like this?
22:21<li>Oh, I see.Thank you
22:21<tash>I guess I can just specify some options on the fstab don't you think?
22:22<tash>I wasnt looking for automount and now I have it :P
22:22<dli>tash, I wonder whether udisks is ready for automounting also
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22:23<tash>I insert the pendrive a its auto mount
22:23<Wasmosy>tash i think that if youre usb pendrive is always in /dev/sdb (for ex) i dont see the problem ...
22:24<tash>but only root can write on it
22:24<dli>tash, what fs?
22:24<tash>Wasmosy: that is what I was thinking, by putting just user an rw will it work?
22:24<dli>tash, if pmount is there, can you run pmount as user
22:25<tash>dli: fat32. I need portability
22:25<tash>I will tryp
22:25<dli>tash, like: pmount /dev/sdb1
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22:26<tash>well now automount mount it automatically, so I have to log as root to unmount it to re-mount it as non-root =/
22:26<li>Forgive me .Thanks all the same.Bye
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22:26<tash>BTW pmount seems to ask for root just as mount do
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22:31<tash>Wasmosy: /dev/sdb1 /home/tash/usb/ auto defaults,user,rw 0 0
22:31<tash>does not work
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22:32<Wasmosy>tash mmm
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22:33<li>It couldt download anything
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22:35<dli>li, check your network? ifconfig -a, ping
22:36<Wasmosy>tash you can try to pass the option when you mount
22:36<li>I guess someone who had fixed the system is wrong
22:37<tash>Wasmosy: how? :)
22:37<Wasmosy>tash mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /where/you/want -o (options)
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22:38<dli>li, please show the commands and output, or error messages
22:38<dli>tash, what about: pmount /dev/sdb1
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22:39<tash>dli says that dont have permision
22:39<li>Nothing is available but chat on line
22:40<tash>Wasmosy, seems like still cant write as normal user =/
22:40<dli>li, do you have proper /etc/apt/sources.list ?
22:41<butterfly>what do you discussing?
22:42<butterfly>what are you discussing?
22:42<Wasmosy>tash: did you pass al the opcion that i have posted? separate with a comma?
22:43<li>Could you help me to check my Internet's system?
22:43<Wasmosy>tash something like -o rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks,uid=1001,gid=1001,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush
22:44<tash>Wasmosy: just user and rw (and defaults)
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22:44<Wasmosy>li what is the problem exactly? you have not internet?
22:44<tash>I'll try
22:44<Wasmosy>tash it work for me ... i was testing ...
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22:46<tash>now I dont have read permissions either
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22:47<tash>and every time I plug and unplug the pendrive it goes up a letter so. the fstab solution seems like a fail :(
22:48<tash>now is sde1
22:48<sney>maybe mounting by uuid?
22:48<Wasmosy>tash didnt work? when you pass the argument , its displayed in "mount"?
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22:49<tash>Wasmosy: # mount -t vfat /dev/sde1 /home/pedroj/usb/ -o rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks,uid=1001,gid=1001,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush
22:49<tash>no errors, and folder un-read-able
22:49<dli>tash, is uid 1001 your user?
22:49<Wasmosy>dli good point
22:50<tash>I guess is 1002 now that u said
22:50<dli>tash, you can use uid=tash,gid=tash
22:50<dli>tash, if tash is the username
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22:51<tash>still fails :(
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22:52<tash>sney: that way only will work for my usb, but first I want to solve my permision problem
22:53<tash>sney: but I guess uuid will be the solution at that point
22:53<li>How can I do
22:53<Wasmosy>the uuid will not change every time you conect and disconect your usb?
22:54<sney>that's the great thing about uuids
22:54<tash>that is the mean of uidd... isn't it?
22:54<dpkg>[uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire.
22:54<dli>li, you never tell us what goes wrong
22:55<li>I think I'd better go to the place where I bought my computer
22:56<tash>if you go there, try to tell them what is your problem... am just saying
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22:56<Wasmosy>li please tell us the problem .. you dont explain anything at all
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22:59<tash>I tried another pendrive (well my cellphone but its the same in this case) and doesn't work either
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22:59<tash>I mean, it automount and only root can write, user just read
23:00<Wasmosy>tash even if you remount it? sounds weird ...
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23:01<li>Do you know what's my computer type . Lenovo Z460A i3-390
23:02<tash>Wasmosy: nope, stills fail
23:03<li>What system should I fix better
23:03<Wasmosy>tash i dont know .. take a look to google ...
23:03<tash>Wasmosy: I already did :(, seems like I'll be stick to the root account for a while
23:03<li>OK Lets go
23:04<Wasmosy>li do you just read what we said to you?
23:05<Wasmosy>tash and if you make a chmod 777 to the directory? its violent .. but i think will work
23:05<tash>Wasmosy: that was the very first thing I tried
23:06<Wasmosy>tash and nothing?
23:06<tash>also I move the destiny folder to my personal folder
23:06<tash>and all fails
23:07<Wasmosy>tash buy a galeon of gasoline a light and burn that machine xDD (its a joke)
23:08<Wasmosy>tash really i dont know ...
23:08<tash>Wasmosy: me neither
23:09<Wasmosy>tash are you in squeeze?
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23:10<tash>I can deal with that, but any other who use my desktop computer will have problems
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23:10<tash>Wasmosy: yeah, squeeze and debian on desktop
23:10<tash>Wasmosy: but minimal debian on a notebook
23:10<tash>same problem on both
23:11<Wasmosy>tash same on both? have you think can be the pendrive?
23:12<tash>tried in another already
23:12<li>Chat again ! Bye bye
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23:13<tash>but maybe both have problems when I make the fillesystem? I just reformated one and the problem persist
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23:14<Wasmosy>tash how you installed debian? netinstall? deboostrap? DVD? CD?
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23:14<tash>but the desktop was a full instalation
23:14<Wasmosy>tash mmm ... but if you can write like root .. i dont think the format can be a problem
23:14<butterfly>who can tall me how to the chinese
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23:15<tash>well , this is bad =/ :(
23:17<Wasmosy>butterfly its debian cn for chinese support
23:17<tash>since I can use the root account I can do anything, but the other user of the desktop, they cant do =/
23:17<Wasmosy>tash and the problems started from nothing?
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23:19<tash>sure, before that problem didn't exist, but I stoped using the desktop. and in the notebook, debian didn't support the wireless, so just recently I moved again to debian, and since then, I have the problem
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23:19<tash>in mepis the problem existed as well
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23:20<Wasmosy>tash in mepis you have the same problem?
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23:22<choi>is there some1 who can help me start?
23:22<choi>i.m sorry but icant speak chinese
23:22<choi>can you help me in english?
23:22<Wasmosy>choi what are you needing?
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23:23<choi>i just want to know what to start from
23:23<choi>cus i.m newbie;;
23:23<butterfly>choi how about you
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23:23<tash>choi: help with what?
23:23<butterfly>what start?
23:24<choi>can you give me the way what to study or something else?
23:24<choi>this backtrack thing
23:24<choi>i have no idea whatto do
23:24<choi>how to use linux os or something like that
23:24<choi>but i dont know whatto start though ;;
23:24<butterfly>you should find some book
23:24<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
23:25<choi>which book?//
23:25<butterfly>about lunix
23:25<Wasmosy>choi: ... take a look
23:25<butterfly>about linux
23:25<choi> too young to buy a book;;;
23:25<Wasmosy>choi: take a look to this too ...
23:25<butterfly>how old ?
23:25<tash>choi tell me something, are you trying to get some wireless password?
23:26<Wasmosy>choi take a look to those links ... will help you
23:26<butterfly>so young
23:26<choi>wasmosy thanks
23:26<choi>tash i just want everything ;;
23:26<choi>i just wantto know everything ;
23:27<butterfly>you can get some e-book from www
23:27<Wasmosy>choi holy shit .. its like something that you will never reach
23:27<butterfly>everything is impossible
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23:28<choi>can you guys recommend a book forem?
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23:30<butterfly>sorry,the books which i know is print in chinese
23:30<choi>oh ;;
23:30<butterfly>i'm a chinese
23:30<choi>oh ;;
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23:30<Wasmosy>choi: have to be in english no?
23:31<choi>you are good at computer arent you?
23:31<tash>hey Wasmosy, butterfly, sney thanks a lot guys, I learned a lot by this, is sad that the problem wasn't solved, but well, you are great :)
23:31<Wasmosy>tash no problem .. when you need ;)
23:31-!-iretch [~iretch@] has joined #debian
23:31<butterfly>that's all right
23:31<choi>oh thanks for the book was
23:31<butterfly>no problem
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23:32<tash>am really worried about debian, because in fedora this didnt happen =/, but hopefully is just me doing it wrong
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23:32<choi>it's pretty long ;;
23:32<choi>wow ;;
23:33<tash>and debian is good as always :)
23:33<choi>any backtrack users?
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23:33<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
23:34<choi>linux; is hard;; ;;
23:34<butterfly>choi the website can help you
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23:34<Wasmosy>choi yeah .. but is a real operating system ...
23:35<butterfly>and free
23:35<choi>wow ;;
23:35<butterfly>very fan
23:35<nl>Very simple question about sources.list... is my correct? I am getting 404 not found when I update and am wondering if sid does not currently have a proposed-updates or something. Does this look alright to ya'll?
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23:35<dpkg>hmm... linux is closed
23:35<dpkg>< guruman> is there some way to make ls list all entries starting with a digit, i mean like 'ls [0-9]*' or similar instead of doing 'ls 1* && ls 2* ...' < furrywolf> guruman: ls [0-9]* :P < guruman> furrywolf it says "[0-9]" is not a directory or file ... < guruman> furrywolf ls [a-z]* seems to work but not 0-9 ... strange < guruman> furrywolf lol .. ofc it works its just me that doesnt have any files beginning with 0-9 in
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23:36<butterfly>i can get in it
23:36<choi>i think i'll need a teacher who can lead me ;;;
23:36<butterfly>teacher and book is very good for you
23:37<choi>backtrack training course is too expensive!!;;
23:37<butterfly>i think i must to have a dinner
23:37<Wasmosy>butterfly: i never have a teacher .. you can learn from books ... and experiment on your machine
23:37<tash>sure, self learning
23:37<choi>canyou help me start
23:38<Wasmosy>choi: yes ...
23:38<butterfly>but have a teacher is better
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23:38<nl>A quick sources.list question, does this look normal? Does anybody use sid repositories that they could paste their sources.list for me?
23:38<Wasmosy>choi have a little idea what is linux?
23:38<butterfly>my god
23:38<choi>not yet
23:38<tash>choi:theey already give you books and links
23:38<choi>i have only basic c programming
23:38<butterfly>choi ,do you know chinese?
23:38<choi> no;;
23:39<Wasmosy>nl: looks a little uncomplete ...
23:39<choi>english and korean
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23:39<butterfly>i have lunix book which is chinese
23:39<choi>i'm korean
23:40<butterfly>a very good country
23:40<choi>i dont think
23:40<choi>it;s no more it country
23:40<choi>it collapsing zz;;
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23:41<choi>i think korean users are not aware of hackers much
23:42<butterfly>hackers are simple
23:42<choi>if i have an ip
23:42<choi>and there is no vaccine installed computer
23:42<choi>canyou ssh?
23:43<Wasmosy>n1 take a look .. change all testing for sid ...
23:43<butterfly>maybe they are living near you
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23:44<choi>can you help me how?;;
23:45<choi>can you teach me?
23:45<nl>Wasmosy: what's wrong with the sources pictured?
23:45<butterfly>i am also a new students
23:46<choi>more than that ;;
23:46<Wasmosy>n1 its a little incomplete ... for me .. try to do what i say to you
23:46<Wasmosy>choi: try to improve your english ...
23:47<choi>i'm not good in english;
23:47<choi>sorry about that;
23:47<butterfly>no thing
23:47<butterfly>everything have a start
23:48<butterfly>you are young
23:48<butterfly>11 old
23:48<butterfly>boy or girl?
23:49<Wasmosy>choi: ... take a look
23:49<jmarsden>choi: See for information on Linux User Groups in Korea, maybe you can attend one of these?
23:49<butterfly>why are you want to learn this os?
23:49<choi>humm;; for
23:49<choi>nothing but fun?;;;
23:50<butterfly>how about window7?
23:50<choi>ihave it
23:50<Wasmosy>butterfly: like distro watch say ... "put the fun back into computing, use linux, bsd"
23:51<tash>hey why are you endorsing w7
23:51<choi>windows is kind of boring;;
23:52<butterfly>i think w7 is simple for a child
23:52<choi> i know but i just want to learn networking
23:52<nl>Can anybody here post a copy of (or at least the first few repos) of their SID sources.list? I'd really appreciate due to issues that I am experiencing (see above)
23:52<choi>or kind of hacks;;
23:52<choi>not for bad purposes though
23:53<butterfly>white hack?
23:53<butterfly>you are a hero in here
23:54<choi>but i dont no nothing
23:54<butterfly>don't worry
23:55<butterfly>the great wall was not built in a day
23:56<choi>is hacking after learning all the baiscis of linux?
23:56<butterfly>you can come here ,every one will help you
23:56<butterfly>i'll find some book or video for you
23:56<choi>thz very much
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