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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-01-31

---Logopened Mon Jan 31 00:00:40 2011
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00:01<butterfly>choi http://linuxstudy.pe.kr/ this website
00:01<choi>ok
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00:02<butterfly>it will teach you
00:02<choi>thz
00:02<choi>ill have a look atit
00:03<butterfly>start.linuxstudy.pe.kr/edu/xml/09.pdf
00:03<butterfly>#
00:03<butterfly>#
00:03<butterfly>start.linuxstudy.pe.kr/edu/xml/09.pdf
00:03<butterfly>#
00:04<butterfly>www.start.linuxstudy.pe.kr/edu/xml/09.pdf
00:04<butterfly>abook
00:04<butterfly>a book
00:04<choi>hmm;
00:04<choi>thanks
00:04<butterfly>www.start.linuxstudy.pe.kr/edu/xml/05.pdf
00:05<butterfly>book
00:05<choi>it says
00:05<choi>php 404 not found?
00:05<choi>kind of this
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00:06<butterfly>this?
00:06<choi>yes
00:06<choi>wow
00:06<choi>this site is rich in info
00:06<butterfly>i don't know,maybe you can try again
00:06<choi>ok
00:07<choi>if a
00:07<choi>hacker
00:07<choi>hacks
00:07<choi>my computer
00:07<choi> is log left in var?
00:07<butterfly>????
00:08<choi>it says
00:08<choi>log files spoolfiles and otehr dynamic files are inside the var directory
00:09<butterfly>yes
00:10<choi>oh
00:10<choi>so in order to delete log files in another computer
00:10<choi>just need to clean var directory
00:11<choi>drwxr-xr-x
00:11<choi>this is directory is it?
00:11<butterfly>find these files and delete them
00:12<butterfly>usually,they are in back
00:12<choi>back?
00:12<butterfly>you can't see it in normal environment
00:13<choi>oh;;
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00:13<butterfly>but in linux os,you can see it
00:13<choi>what if ihave su
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00:13<choi>i can see it
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00:14<butterfly>you need a power to delete it
00:14<choi>oh
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00:15<butterfly>a root
00:15<choi>so the most important thing in hacking is obtaining a root
00:15<butterfly>yes
00:15<choi>oh isee
00:15<butterfly>you can do any thing if you get the root power
00:16<choi>oh
00:16<choi>but
00:16<choi> what if it is
00:16<choi>windows
00:16<choi>is there way to obtain administrator?
00:16<butterfly>yes
00:16<choi>oh;
00:16<butterfly>you are good at this
00:17<choi>thanks
00:17<choi>hmm;
00:17<butterfly>mac os?
00:17<neex>.
00:17<choi>i have only linux and
00:17<choi>windows
00:17<butterfly>oh
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00:17<choi>hmm
00:17<butterfly>it is enough
00:18<choi>not good though
00:18<Wasmosy>i think it a little offtopic this .. why you dont chat in private?
00:18<choi>sorry for inconvenience
00:19<choi>butterfly can you join the channel i make?
00:19<butterfly>aha
00:19<butterfly>ok
00:19<choi>thz
00:19<choi>server name is butterfly
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00:20<choi>oh;
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00:20<choi>why fail! b
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00:20<butterfly>what?
00:21<choi>non
00:21<choi>canyou
00:21<choi>join
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00:21<choi>dialogue?
00:21<choi>yes
00:21<choi>youcan
00:21<butterfly>i have not find
00:21<choi>press my name and
00:21<choi>open dialogue
00:22<choi>window
00:22<reklipz>do files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ override files in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ with the same name?
00:23<choi>reklipz its xorg.conf not .d i think
00:23<reklipz>xorg.conf is a file, xorg.conf.d is a directory. I'm referring to the configuration snippets, not the xorg.conf configuration file.
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00:39<engine64>hi all, i need some expertise here using awk or sed, i need to add "#" on every rows of the first column. thank you
00:40<jmarsden>engine64: sed -e 's/^\(.*\)$/#\1/'
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00:44<engine64>thank jmarsden, i will try that
00:44<jmarsden>You're welcome.
00:44<engine64>how do i point that to an existing .csv file?
00:44<moscae>does someones have ekiga voip sofdtware installed and 1 minute to do a test ???
00:45<jmarsden>engine64: I think you would do well to learn a little about the shell. sed -e 's/^\(.*\)$/#\1/' oldfile.csv >newfile.csv # is one way to do it.
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01:01<nl>Can anybody here post a copy of (or at least the first few repos) of their SID sources.list? I'd really appreciate due to issues that I am experiencing with 404 errors
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01:04<cahoot>http://www.debian.org/mirror/list
01:07<nl>cahoot; Thank you! Do these look valid to you? deb http://security.debian.org/ sid/updates main contrib non-free and deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid-proposed-updates main contrib non-free
01:07<jm_>no
01:08<nl>jm_; Thanks all, for the help. Should it just be deb http://security.debian.org/ sid/updates main contrib non-free and deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid-proposed-updates main contrib non-free
01:08<nl>Shooot
01:08<engine64>thank jmarsden, i heard awk as well. which one is better and easier to do the job?
01:09<jmarsden>engine64: whichever one you know how to use :)
01:09<nl>I meant to say: Should it just be: deb http://security.debian.org/ sid main contrib non-free and deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
01:09<jm_>nl: there is no security for sid, the other one shall be fine
01:11<nl>jm_; So use squeeze security, and the other one should have "-proposed-updates" removed from it?
01:12<jm_>nl: /msg dpkg unstable security
01:13<jm_>nl: your second one is OK for sid (I meant to say: ....)
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01:13<nl>jm_; Genius. THank you
01:15<engine64>thank jmarsden, I did try your suggestion it works except is adds "#" infront of the instead of the back.
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01:16<jmarsden>engine64: Oh, you want # at the end of each line? You said the "first column" which means the "front", doesn't it?
01:17<jmarsden>Most people count columns from left to right. So the first column is on the left.
01:18<jmarsden>If you want to add a # to the end of every line, use sed -e 's/^\(.*\)$/\1#/'
01:19<engine64>I'm sorry jmarsden - I mean front of every first row in every column
01:19<engine64>i hope my english is clear, apologies
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01:20<jmarsden>So you want 1,2,3 to turn into #1,#2,#3 ?
01:20<jm_>you can replace that with -e 's/$/#/'
01:21<jm_>ahh end of columns, not end of line, sorry, ignore me
01:23<engine64>like this, i want 1,2,3,4 to turn into 1#,2,3,4
01:23<jmarsden>Ah! OK. sed -e 's/,/,#/'
01:24<jmarsden>OOPS! Make that: sed -e 's/,/#,/'
01:25<engine64>i need to learn and understand all this parameters, confusing! hehe
01:25<engine64>did you learn this from school?
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01:26<jmarsden>engine64: No, this is just using regular expressions. I graduated from university in 1983 :) Learned Unix (including sed) a little later...
01:26<engine64>oh i see, let me read the manual
01:27<jm_>o'reilly have an excellent sed&awk book, well worth reading it
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01:28<jmarsden>engine64: man sed will show you an s command like this: s/regexp/replacement/ And you can read more about regexps in man 7 regex
01:29<engine64>thank you sir, I assume you are a sir
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01:29<engine64>and Greetings from Brunei Darussalam
01:29<sney>generally a safe assumption in here
01:30<jmarsden>engine64: You're welcome.
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01:32<engine64>hi which of this add '#' infront - sed -e 's/^\(.*\)$/#\1/' or sed -e 's/^\(.*\)$/\1#/'
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01:41<jmarsden>engine64: The first has the # in front of the \1 so it puts the # in front. The second has the # after the \1 so it adds it afterwards.
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01:42<jmarsden>But that's not what you said you wanted...
01:42<engine64>yes, true the third sample works. thank you
01:42<engine64>I just need to clarify the 1st and second sample maybe i need them in the future
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03:06<monoglets>I wonder what really makes this rule? iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT ....and if she sets accept input even before that I have set: iptables-P INPUT DROP
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03:08<jm_>monoglets: default policy applies if end of chain is reached
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03:10<monoglets>jm_ and what does that rule?
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03:11<jm_>!iptables tutorial
03:11<dpkg>iptables tutorial is, like, http://www.frozentux.net/documents/iptables-tutorial/
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03:12<jm_>monoglets: ^^^^^^
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03:40<pvl1>does th mv command actually move data? like dd
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03:42<smv>pvl1, man mv
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03:47<Cozminsky>does anyone know when libevent2 will move from experimental to unstable? after squeeze is released I take it
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04:24<toma>is there any security repo for Etch ?
04:27<prem>help
04:27<ompaul>toma: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch
04:27<Cozminsky>there was
04:27<ompaul>toma: left out the no
04:27<ompaul>woops I'm wrong
04:27<Cozminsky>http://archive.debian.org/debian-security/dists/
04:28<Cozminsky>keep in mind though that any security bugs found since 20 Jun 2010 have not been fixed
04:28<toma>well, with recent security updates :)
04:29<Cozminsky>wah, libghthash isn't packaged
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04:34<Cozminsky>quilt is deprecated right?
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04:35<daemonkeeper>As package format?
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04:35<Cozminsky>aye
04:35<daemonkeeper>No, 3.0 (quilt) packages are the most recent package format.
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04:35<Cozminsky>as in it's not recommended to create a new package with quilt
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04:36<Cozminsky>ah, which one is no longer recommended then?
04:36<Cozminsky>cdbs?
04:38<wcq222>hi~~
04:38<Cozminsky>wcq222, greetings
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04:38<daemonkeeper>as far as I know some people claim they dislike cdbs packages, but they are not deprecated. They life besides the 3.0 quilt format
04:38<wcq222>Hello everybody
04:38<daemonkeeper>*live
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04:39<Cozminsky>I might just install the new maintainers guide
04:39<daemonkeeper>Older package formats (e.g.) pre quilt packages are deprecated on the other and
04:39<daemonkeeper>*hand
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04:40<smv>having problems with gnome-activity-journal. any idea what might cause this? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e48a59f1/
04:41<Cozminsky>version of the Symbol object is wrong?
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04:42<smv>it worked ok yesterday.
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04:43<Cozminsky>I'm not a python programmer though
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04:44<Cozminsky>what distro? lenny/squeeze/sid?
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04:45<smv>sid, but it's not diferent than the version in squeze
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04:46<smv>s/diferent/different
04:47<prem>smv, did you upgrade/downgrade your python version recently.?
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04:48<smv>no.
04:48<Cozminsky>I get a different error
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04:50<wcq222>There will be Chinese-speaking people?
04:51<Cozminsky>not on this channel
04:51<Cozminsky>well possibly
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04:51<smv>!cn
04:51<dpkg>cn is, like, China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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04:57<Cozminsky>it looks like it's missing a dependency on some kind of gstreamer backend
04:58<Cozminsky>with the error I'm getting
05:00<smv>I started gnome-activity-journal yesterday, like before 00:00, but I didn't open any file. Today I did open some text files, but gnome-activity-journal didn't showed them. In fact I couldn't get it to move to today.
05:00<smv>I also tried to delete any file from ~/ related to it, as I thought that it might work if it's started 'clean', but it seems that something still remains.
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05:01<wcq222__>可以说中文么
05:01<wcq222__>同志们
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05:01<Cozminsky>wcq222, wrong channel
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05:02<smv>wcq222__, /join #debian-zh
05:02<wcq222__> wrong channel
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05:02<wcq222__>I'm sorry
05:02<Cozminsky>okay, my problem with gnome-activity-journal seems to be fixed by installing a presumably missing dependency
05:03<wcq222__>I will not use this software
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05:03<Cozminsky>but it seems unrelated to yours
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05:04<Cozminsky>https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-activity-journal/+bug/614525
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05:06<Cozminsky>or http://bugs.debian.org/591267
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05:07<Cozminsky>so the fix is in experimental
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05:08<Cozminsky>and it doesn't break unless you have hamster install
05:08<Cozminsky>installed even
05:08<classical>ey ppl :) i need some help or suggestion. i have a hosting server and i need a list of users who using a Joomla how can i do this ?
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05:09<Cozminsky>classical, grep?
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05:09<ayaka>dpkg compiz
05:09<dpkg>Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz . http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net.
05:09<ayaka>sorry
05:10<classical>Cozminsky, what to grep ?
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05:11<Cozminsky>classical, maybe find /path/to/document/root -name \*.php -print0 | xargs -0 grep -ri joomla
05:11<Cozminsky>well I guess the -r is superfluous if you're using find
05:12<classical>Cozminsky, i have a similar command cd /home; find . -name *joomla* | cut -f 2 -d /
05:12<classical>but i need something more effective
05:12<Cozminsky>a hash of known joomla files?
05:13<Cozminsky>yours is just looking for filenames which contain joomla
05:13<classical>Cozminsky, yes
05:14<Cozminsky>mine is inspecting the contents of any php and seeing if it contains the string joomla case-insensitively
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05:15<classical>CompWizrd, yep but this need a plenty of time
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05:16<ferminter>hi, iam using fdisk to create partitions on Squeeze, it gives me the following error: http://pastebin.com/9bpAY1DL . i am new to partitioning on the command line, before i can use mkfs to format a partition i need to create one, so i use fdisk for that...is there a wat to create an 'empty' partition using fdisk and this using mkfs to format it to ext3/4
05:16<ferminter>?
05:16<Cozminsky>classical, find is usually pretty heavy on the IO
05:17<Cozminsky>ferminter, it's saying you should use mkfs.ext3 instead of parted to create the actual filesystem
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05:19<ferminter>mkfs.ext3 would need a device to partition(?), like say /dev/sda1, which is actually a partition on the disk, right now iam using parted to create & format the partition
05:20<Cozminsky>ferminter, yeah, and parted is warning you that you should only do the former and not the latter
05:20<ferminter>parted -s /device mkpartfs pri/ext filesystem start end
05:21<ferminter>i hope this doesn't sound stupid but i how do i create a partition without formatting it, using parted?
05:21<Cozminsky>parted -s /dev/... mkpart pri/ext start end
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05:23<Cozminsky>or you can go into parted and mess around with the menu system
05:23<Cozminsky>and get help on all the commands
05:24<ferminter>iam trying to make a script, so i cant really go into parted's menu
05:25<ferminter>thanks Cozminsky, that fixed it :)
05:25<Cozminsky>man parted is your friend ;)
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05:27<ferminter>sure is...it can be a little overwhelming at times though
05:27<Cozminsky>aye, takes a while to get used to
05:28<ayaka>my num key can't use even I lock the numlock
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05:29<ayaka>but the one in qwert is normal
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05:34<ayaka> help me,the little num key can't use even lock the num lock
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05:37<ferminter>i still get a warning -> Warning: The resulting partition is not properly aligned for best performance.
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05:39<ferminter>i am reading up on it...looks like i need to leave the first 1MB of the disk free
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05:43<ibrar>hello
05:44<smv>is there a recommended way to force screen locking after resume from suspend/hibernation?
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05:44<Mickle>There is the game XSoldier in Debian. What another games do you know in terminal?
05:45<themill>smv: use a tool that locks the screen *prior* to suspending. The power management tool in most desktop environments should do that for you.
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05:45<classical>is there any way to display cpu utilization for per core in top ? like htop does
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05:46<themill>classical: "1"
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05:46<classical>tharkun, thanks :)
05:47<Mickle>There is the game XSoldier in Debian. What another games do you know in terminal?
05:47<babilen>nethack :)
05:48<smv>themill, thanks
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05:50<babilen>Mickle: You might want to search with debtags. Some tags that come to mind are "use::gameplaying" "game::*" (all the game:: ones) "interface::commandline" and so on
05:51<babilen>Mickle: But nethack really is fun and a thing you should know :)
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05:51<classical>is there any way to compel specific program to use only one core of processor ?
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05:52<Mickle>babilen, thank you very much!
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05:52<jm_>moon-buggy is tty isnt it?
05:53<jm_>classical" you can bind processes to given cpu(s)
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05:53<babilen>yeah, moon-buggy is great. How could I forgot about that :-)
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05:56<ibrar>can any one help me with Metasploit ? please ^_^
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05:58<berto>I'm trying to add a comment to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=540972
05:58<berto>but I get this
05:58<berto>5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'Unknown or archived bug'
05:58<berto>where can I see that the bug is archived?
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06:00<flames>were im can join backtrack irc???
06:00<babilen>!bt4
06:00<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
06:01<gsimmons>dpkg: tell ibrar -about metasploit
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06:01<flames>what program recomended for screen capture for ubuntu
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06:04<ansgar>fladi: Ubuntu is also not supported in #debian.
06:04<ansgar>flames: ^^
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06:13<zaiphooh>Hi! I created a root user when I installed Debian long ago. After that, although I marked /apps/gksu/sudo-mode in gconf-editor, some applications still ask for the root password, while other work fine and become satisfied with my personal password. What can it be?
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06:14<smv>zaiphooh, is your normal user in group sudo?
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06:15<Cozminsky>is xchat in utf-8?
06:15<zaiphooh>smv: No. My normal user is in group admin.
06:16<smv>Cozminsky, depends on the settings. Each network can use different settings.
06:17<Cozminsky>smv, assuming it was set to Systemdefault
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06:17<smv>zaiphooh, in Debian, with default settings, you need to be in group sudo. or atleast I think so.
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06:17<Mickle>and what about another games?
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06:17<Cozminsky>smv, I'm guessing it would be whatever is in $LANG?
06:18<smv>Cozminsky, then it might be. Unless your system is not using UTF-8. And that too, perhaps.
06:18<Cozminsky>smv, en_AU.UTF-8
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06:19<Cozminsky>so I'm assuming the unprintable chinese I'm getting is because I don't have a suitable font installed
06:19<Fanie>does anybody know a good proxy tunneler for use on my mobile network?
06:19<smv>Cozminsky, perhaps you need to generate locales for that. Fonts are already capable to display any gliphs.
06:20<rpetre>smv: not true, it depends on the font
06:20<zaiphooh>smv, I think it helped, thanks.
06:21<zaiphooh>When you install Debian, there is a choice not to create root at all, am I right?
06:21<smv>rpetre, Well, most of the fonts installed by default should do, I think.
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06:22<rpetre>smv: afaik there is no font that covers the whole utf-8 range of glyphs
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06:23<Cozminsky>rpetre, I'm using monospace
06:23<rpetre>Cozminsky: if it's chinese characters you should ask some chinese linux users what fonts they use
06:23<smv>zaiphooh, indeed.
06:23<zaiphooh>smv: what is the difference in the configuration between a system with and without root account?
06:24<drone77>one doesn't exist
06:24<Mickle>and what about another games, which are open in terminal?
06:24<zaiphooh>Any difference in any configuration files?
06:25<zaiphooh>Is, for example, /etc/sudoers configured otherwise?
06:25<Cozminsky>zaiphooh, /etc/shadow doesn't have a password hash on systems without a root account
06:25<babilen>rpetre, smv: cyberbit covers a lot
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06:25<smv>zaiphooh, the root account is actually created no mater what you chose. it's needed. but then if you chose to not activate it at install, then the 1st user is configured to be able to use sudo. the gconf setting and adding that 1st user to group sudo atleast.
06:27<zaiphooh>smv: How to configure a user to use sudo? Is there any set of rules, besides adding the user to the group sudo?
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06:28<Cozminsky>zaiphooh, /etc/sudoers is much more flexible than that, the default in debian is to define a %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL line
06:28<babilen>zaiphooh: Run "visudo" as root and read "man sudoers" -- If you just want "my user <X> can do everyhting, but has to type his/her password you end up with: "X ALL=(ALL) ALL" in there
06:28<smv>zaiphooh, actually i think that's it. adding the user to group sudo and changing the /apps/gksu/sudo-mode in gconf. perhaps other DE might need other/different settings.
06:29<smv>with the default /etc/sudoers one only needs to add a user to the sudo group.
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06:29<ayaka>#debian-offtopic
06:30<zaiphooh>Cozminsky, babilen, smv: thank you very much for the information.
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06:33<ayaka>which runlevel is with X?and the normal one?
06:33<Mickle>and what about another games, which are open in terminal?
06:34<Torsten_W>ayaka, in debian , runlevel 2-5 are equal
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06:36<ayaka>Torsten_W, oh,s is single one ,2-5 in debian is the same,but 0,1,6?
06:36<Torsten_W>o is halt
06:36<Torsten_W>1 is single
06:36<Torsten_W>6 is reboot
06:37<ayaka>Torsten_W, 1 is single,the S for what?
06:38<Torsten_W>you want to read man init
06:39<ayaka>Torsten_W, I sorry,I only read runlevel(8)
06:39<ayaka>Torsten_W, but debian still use initd?no upstart or systemd?
06:40<jm_>ayaka: you can install upstart if you feel like it
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06:41<ayaka>jm_, to tell you trust,I wonder I should learn what style
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06:43<Mickle>what about another games, which are open in terminal?
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06:45<raph_ael>hi, is there a way to avoid using uuid's when upgrading from lenny to squeeze ?
06:46<drone77>Mickle: see what babilen said at 10:50
06:46<jm_>raph_ael: should be yes
06:47<raph_ael>jm_: thanks, i'm considering saying no at upgrade, but i hope for a proper reboot :)
06:47<Cozminsky>FreeMono seems to support it
06:47<jm_>raph_ael: let me find it
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06:48<jm_>raph_ael: GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID
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06:49<raph_ael>jm_: thanks
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07:06<ayaka>how to add more work place?
07:07<babilen>lower taxes!
07:08<zaiphooh>How to make samba re-generate smb.conf?
07:11<babilen>!confmiss
07:11<dpkg>The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>.
07:11<babilen>zaiphooh: Do you mean this ^^^ ?
07:11<zaiphooh>babilen: I think so. Will try.
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07:15<MeglaW>so maybee somebody here can help, i moved and my box was rebooted (squeeze) and its behind a new router, new isp and stuff
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07:16<MeglaW>and everything seems to work, i portforward port 23 in router
07:16<MeglaW>and ssh works great from the outside
07:16<MeglaW>so does ftp
07:16<MeglaW>21
07:16<MeglaW>and then i try 443 for ssl over http
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07:16<MeglaW>and it just stalls
07:17<MeglaW>and i have no idea were the problem is...
07:17<MeglaW>meglaw.no-ip.biz is my host
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07:19<drone77>MeglaW: i suggest you pastebin your iptables
07:20<jm_>MeglaW: try lowering your MTU
07:21<drone77>jm_: would MTU mean port appears as filtered?
07:21<MeglaW>http://pastebin.com/BYMBPdGP
07:22<MeglaW>jm_: how? ;) i dont know what mtu is ;)
07:22<drone77>MeglaW: I don't see port 443 there
07:22<jm_>drone77: not usually no
07:22<babilen>ayaka: You might want to rephrase your question. What do you mean by "work place"
07:23<MeglaW>drone77: should every port i want open be there?
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07:23<MeglaW>i never made a rule for it b4
07:24<drone77>MeglaW: with your current settings you would need to add it
07:24<MeglaW>ah ok
07:24<ayaka>babilen, 在gnome右下角的那个切换器管理的东西
07:24<@Ganneff>ayaka: wrong channel, in here its english only
07:25<drone77>MeglaW: although you have no REJECT..
07:25<ayaka>Ganneff, I know,I'm sorry,I can't decribe it in english, babilen know chinese
07:25<MeglaW>does http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-iptables-11-how-to-block-or-open-httpweb-service.html suggest good rules
07:25<MeglaW>under Allow incoming https/secure web traffic at port 443
07:25<babilen>ayaka: If I understood you correctly, you can add additional "Places" in nautilus, just by dragging directories into the "side bar"
07:25<MeglaW>and outgoing
07:26<@Ganneff>ayaka: so either goto #debian-zh, keep it in private, or keep it in #debian-offtopic
07:26<ayaka>babilen, no
07:26<babilen>ayaka: Still, don't speak Chinese in here. Try to explain a bit more what you are trying to achieve in English. We'll understand. It is just that a phrase like "work places" could mean a lot of things.
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07:27<ayaka>gandalfn, do think #debian-zh have people?I know
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07:28*ajay !!
07:28<babilen>ayaka: and keep it in the channel ;)
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07:28<ajay>hi
07:28<drone77>MeglaW: your current setup is disconcerting. It appears you allow all traffic?
07:29<ayaka>babilen, you konw,I try to said english,I send you it chinese name
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07:29<babilen>yes, "workplace"
07:30<MeglaW>drone77: yeah why not its behind a router and debian is supposed to be secure right? ;)
07:30<ayaka>ok,how to add workplace(gnome's)
07:31<rpetre>you mean workspaces
07:31<ayaka>rpetre, ask babilen this word is him tell me
07:31<babilen>ayaka: If you mean "desktops" you can right click on the "workplace" chooser/picker and raise the number. If you mean the quick-links in nautilus, you can just drag&drop directories there
07:32<ayaka>babilen, yes
07:32<babilen>yes, workspace :)
07:32<ayaka>I finally can use compiz but workplace left only two
07:33<drone77>MeglaW: it surely didn't come like that? either way delete the accept all tcp from anywhere line and make a REJECT all anywhere
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07:33<babilen>compiz? I have absolutely no idea ...
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07:34<Guest2233>how to get rid of a programm installed via apt
07:34<drone77>MeglaW: sorry I have to run to an exam...
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07:34<babilen>Guest2233: "aptitude remove PKG" or "aptitude purge PKG" (man aptitude)
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07:34<Guest2233>babilen: whats the difference to apt-get remove?
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07:35<devil>Guest2233: why do you ask if you know the solution? :)
07:35<babilen>Guest2233: different program, auto-removal of dependencies, recommended package manager, better dependency handling during installs, ....
07:35<ajay>same effect
07:35<Guest2233>devil: i wouldnt ask if it would work ;)
07:36<babilen>Guest2233: So, is aptitude chilling on the couch again unwilling to go to work. *sigh*
07:36<devil>Guest2233: apt-get remove <package> never ever let me down. unless a package is not installed (dorrectly)
07:36<Guest2233>i have to different versions of a programm on the computer one installed via apt and the new one compiled
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07:36<devil>Guest2233: ouch.
07:37<Guest2233>devil: what do you want to tell me?
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07:37<devil>Guest2233: dpkg -l <programm> tells you the state of the one installed per apt
07:37<ayaka>babilen, I do as you ask,no use,how to paste picture
07:37<babilen>ayaka: picpaste
07:37<babilen>!tell Guest2233 -about bat
07:38<devil>Guest2233: when compiling, i would at least use checkinstall instead of make install
07:38<babilen>Guest2233: Or "stow" to organise your installations to /usr/local -- You did install to /usr/local didn't you?
07:39<Guest2233>babilen: i used the default directory
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07:40<babilen>whatever that may be -- but well, what is the problem you are trying to fix?
07:41<Guest2233>i had to update a programm to a newer version, but since there was nothing in apt, i had to compile it myself, but i made apt-get remove before installing but its still there, some parts of the old version
07:41<babilen>Guest2233: How do you know? Have you read what dpkg told you?
07:42<babilen>Guest2233: There is *nothing* we can do if you don't show us something. :)
07:42<Guest2233>babilen: should i post the demand things in dpkg channel
07:42<babilen>Please be specific ... What have you done? What are you trying to achieve? What are the errors you get?
07:42<babilen>Guest2233: dpkg mentions http://paste.debian.net
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07:44<Guest2233>http://paste.debian.net/106127/
07:45<ayaka>babilen, picpaste is too slowy,wait
07:45<babilen>Guest2233: So, what is the problem?
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07:46<bioxcode>buon giorno
07:46<Guest2233>http://paste.debian.net/106128/
07:46<Guest2233>babilen: i now have two ocamlopt
07:47<babilen>so?
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07:47*babilen is going for lunch
07:47<ayaka>babilen, http://www.yupoo.com/photos/lxr12/79643611/
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07:49<babilen>Guest2233: I don't quite understand your problem. You could remove your Debian version with "aptitude purge ocaml" if you want to make sure that you have just one version on the system. Btw, which Debian version do you use and which ocaml version do you need? Are you sure that you have to compile/install it locally?
07:49<Guest2233>i use ubuntu 10.10 and i am most certainly sure that i have to compile/install it myself
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07:51<babilen>Guest2233: First, this is a Debian channel. Ubuntu is not supported in here (please go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net). And you might want to tell them the answers to the question I asked, as *I* still don't understand what your problem is.
07:51<ayaka>babilen, http://www.yupoo.com/photos/lxr12/79643611/ I'm sorry I can only upload it to here
07:52<babilen>ayaka: It is too small to make anything out. One second please
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07:53<ayaka>babilen, yes,but it not this effect,see the hekp,do find anything different,I havd tried
07:53<ayaka>babilen, help in the picture
07:53<babilen>ayaka: yes, that looks like the right place. As I told you: I have no idea how this works with compiz. Ask them or read compiz docs, try to configure it in whatever compiz uses for configuration.
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07:55<ayaka>babilen, ok,I see thank you.do in ubuntu it is in there to config
07:55<babilen>*shrug*
07:55<babilen>I don't use any of those programs and can't help you with it. You could ask the channel, others might know.
07:55<ayaka>anyone who use compiz
07:56<gamambel>anyone here who likes tor? the anonymity network? we're setting up a number of high bandwidth relays as a non-profit organization and are happy for expert suggestions regarding our setup: http://www.wiredwings.com/wiki/Torservers.net_Debian_Setup
07:56<ayaka>gamambel, me,in china,we need it
07:57<gamambel>ayaka: the main site is at www.torservers.net. we've had great success with a 320mbit/s exit, and are slowly building more (depending on donations)
07:57<gamambel>if you have any comments regarding the debian setup, feel free to msg me
07:57<gamambel>we can also provide private tor bridge IPs soon
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08:03<ayaka>another question,my little number can't use in X,even lock num,but in tty is normal
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08:18<dli>ayaka, sounds keymap error for X, do you use xorg.conf?
08:20<ayaka>dli, I have one,do not edit
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08:21<dli>ayaka, one way to test, try to run X without xorg.conf, if possible, at least remove keyboard settings in it
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08:22<ayaka>dli, but I install nvdia driver,without it,I can't see X
08:22<Lantizia>is anyone else experiencing a paradoxical state-dependent associative phenomenon?
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08:30<ayaka>devil, this is my xorg.conf http://paste.debian.net/106131/
08:31<devil>ayaka: with squeeze, you dont need one, maybe some snippets in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
08:31<devil>ayaka: just mv it somehwere out of the way
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08:32<tash>!trinity\
08:32<tash>!trinity
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08:32<ayaka>devil, I don't have this folder
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08:32<devil>ayaka: you can create it once you need it
08:32<adi__>hi there
08:32<adi__>wazzap
08:33<adi__>can somebody tell me what is the next step after install backtrack
08:33<adi__>still confuse on using it
08:33<ayaka>devil, but I don't X config,so I don't need it,now you know what is the problem
08:33<devil>ayaka: for now just mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.bak and restart X
08:33<tash>!bt4
08:33<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
08:34<devil>ayaka: no, i just joined again
08:34<ayaka>devil, i just joined again?join what?
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08:35<devil>ayaka: the channel.
08:35<devil>and saw, you had highlighted me
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08:35<ayaka>devil, no without X,how to start xchat?
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08:37<devil>not at all.
08:37<ayaka>ok leave
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08:40<ayaka>devil, no use,and my sreen look half
08:41<ayaka>devil, a part in right come to left
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08:41<ayaka>devil, but printscrenn show it normal
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08:43<devil>ayaka: hm, sounds a bit borked. revert the mv.
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08:43<ayaka>devil, mv it back?
08:44<km48>I am using debian squeeze, and the adobe flash plugin 10 with gnome's epiphany. I cannot enter any text in text fields of flash apps. It works okay in iceweasel with the same plugin, anyone run into this before?
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08:45<ayaka>devil, by the way,I stop gdm3 then mv then restart,is it right?
08:45<devil>ayaka: mv xorg.conf.bak xorg.conf
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08:45<devil>ayaka: does not matter
08:45<ayaka>devil, ok,leave
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08:47<ayaka>devil, ok,what shall I do?
08:47<devil>ayaka: i do not even know the problem ;)
08:48<ayaka>devil, oh,no.why I new to debian have some many problem,
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08:48<ayaka>devil, oh,no.why I new to debian have so many problem,
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08:50<ayaka>devil, do you know whether debian have no-free support?
08:50<devil>ayaka: there is conbtrib and non-free parameters for the repository that you can add to sources.list.
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08:51<ayaka>devil, I said pay for support
08:52<sret>ayaka: where you from
08:53<ayaka>sret, china,#debian-zh have a few people
08:53<sret>ah
08:54<devil>ayaka: you mean payed support? no, debian itself not.
08:55<ayaka>devil, oh,no.
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08:55<devil>ayaka: ask google for debian support in your city
08:56<ayaka>devil, it's is impossible,a few people in china use linux
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08:56<babilen>ayaka: I would help if you pay for the flight ticket, food and offer a place to stay ;) -- But you might want to tell us again what problem you are trying to solve.
08:57<devil>babilen: many of us would ;)
08:57<sret>there arent a lot of chinese debian support channels
08:57<ayaka>babilen, ok,do you have passport,I can't use my little num keyboard,even I lock it,but it's normal in tty
08:58<sret>or get a translator
08:58<babilen>normal in tty?
08:58<sret>if you cant communicate your problem then you wont be able to find a solution, ayaka , no translator or anything?
08:59<dli>ayaka, I speak chinese, but this is an english only channel
08:59<babilen>Who does not have a passport? You can't travel without one! :)
08:59<sret>dli: then help him out, he cant speak english from the looks of it
08:59<ayaka>babilen, yse only,can't use in X,my keyborad in X have many problem
08:59<ayaka>d
09:00<dli>ayaka, pm me in chinese then
09:00<babilen>dli: We might want to join #debian-zh and try it in there. Are you a native speaker? My Chinese is not quite good enough to handle all the Linux techno-babble ;)
09:00<ayaka>dli, would you mind join debian-zh
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09:00<dli>babilen, ayaka okay
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09:02<timekiller>!topic
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09:02<timekiller>!help topic
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09:02<tash> !wake up
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09:02<dpkg>tash: I'm already awake! :)
09:02<sret>!trolls^^
09:02<sret>:P
09:02<soufiane>hi
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09:04<tomas_>Hi, does anyone know what "quando paratus est" means? Couldn't find it anywhere..
09:04<koollman>tomas_: I think it means 'when it is ready'. by my latin is rather weak
09:05<tomas_>koollman: Aa, thank you. That makes sense ^^
09:06<koollman>(more literally, 'at the moment it is prepared')
09:06<tomas_>It's release.debian.org "motto" ..
09:07<koollman>oh, yes, then, definitively "When it's ready" :)
09:07<timekiller>nice motto ^_^
09:07<rpetre>second motto is "sooner if you help"
09:08<timekiller>lol
09:08<tomas_>:-D
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09:08<rpetre>!wir
09:08<dpkg>methinks wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>.
09:08<rpetre>!siyh
09:08<dpkg>siyh is, like, Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org/ , http://wiki.debian.org/BSP
09:08<koollman>I know that it is the only answer to 'when will the next debian stable be released?' :)
09:08<sret>so someone was saying
09:09<sret>we wont need an xorf cong in squeeze?
09:09<ansgar>koollman: No, the answer to that question is "Saturday" ;)
09:09<sret>conf
09:09<Torsten_W>sret, that's right
09:09<koollman>ansgar: no, that's "when is it planned?". very different ;)
09:09<sret>interesting so in place of that what happens?
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09:09<Torsten_W>you only need a snipped, if you want to use propritary drivers or must tweak some devices
09:10<sret>snipped meaning?
09:10<tomas_>Hooray for squeeze, thank you for the answer and cya
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09:10<devil>sret: snippet, stanza
09:10<sret>oh
09:11<sret>so we wont need that whole junk up there? woah that should make it easier to fix errors right?
09:11<devil>sret: thats the idea
09:11<sret>interesting
09:11<sret>yeah i highly oubt when you paste your xorg conf people actually wanna go through alll of it
09:12<devil>sret: snippets live under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d, like 20-nvidia conf, which is needed for the nvidia proprietary driver
09:12<sret>ok
09:12<devil>sret: heh, i read like 5 xorg.0.log files per day ;)
09:13<sret>then you shold've seen mine yday cause i pasted two full logs
09:13<sret>:P
09:13<babilen>sret: Better than the alsa-info script :)
09:14<sret>babilen: i like thew alsa info script
09:14<babilen>I like it as well, but I prefer "reading" the xorg.log :)
09:14<sret>you dont have to go about typing 100 commands to find out what's wrong and where
09:14<babilen>sret: exactly -- I recommend it every time somebody has a problem with alsa. So we don't have to ask 100 redundant questions
09:15<sret>yeah worked out:P
09:15<sret>i havent installed a lot of apps here because im waiting on squeeze
09:15<sret>hoping alsa doesnt muck up again when i upgrade
09:16*babilen is happily using squeeze for more than a year now ...
09:16<sret>heh
09:16<sret>why is it we use symlink instead of shortcut?
09:17<babilen>what is a shortcut?
09:17<sret>its the same thing,m and newbies would get it better if you told them it was a shortcut to some app
09:17<sret>like you have a shortcut to a file on your desktop, a symlink
09:17<babilen>sret: There are "hard links" and "symbolic links"
09:17<sret>softlinks i mean
09:18<sret>ok honestly i didnt read more on the hard/soft link part or i forgot but the idea that iit's pretty mucha shortcut makes it easier to understand
09:18<rpetre>sret: shortcuts are different
09:18<sret>how
09:18<rpetre>more like *.desktop files
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09:19<themill>(except that only specific programs can understand them unlike {sym,hard }links
09:19<rpetre>not exactly the same concept
09:20*babilen expects questions like: "Is it faster to access files via a shortcut? Does Debian has to cover a long distance if I don't use them?" ;)
09:20<babilen>have grmml
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09:21<sret>from what im reading it says they're the same but on windows only certain programs can as themill said
09:21<sret>but its basically a shortcut but linux took topped it up a notch
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09:22<sret>indows has mklink
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09:23<sret>both have the same concepts though
09:23<sret>but anyhow the point was i bette runderstood it when some people said its almost like a shortcut
09:24<rpetre>well, yeah, but analogy breaks soon
09:25<rpetre>and imho it's better to teach people the proper concepts, rather than going for a bad example
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09:25<sret>well somtimes you have to compare it wit windows so users coming from there understand it
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09:26<sret>like the enter key thing, return key here, windows world enter key
09:26<sret>heh
09:26<sret>you know someone is coming from windows if he says enter key
09:26<sret>:P
09:27<babilen>not everybody used windows -- I taught my mum entirely on linux -- She gets confused if somebody asks a Windows question :)
09:27<rpetre>sret: nah, it's folder/directory :)
09:27<sret>what does she use linux for?
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09:27<@Ganneff>!ot
09:27<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
09:27<sret>rpetre: yeah that too i had to get used to that, but now im fine with calling it a dir
09:27<rpetre>Ganneff: yup, sorry
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09:32<Fanie>anyway to scan for open ports to bypass my firewall with?
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09:34<Torsten_W>nmap?
09:34<sret>nmap
09:34<ayaka>babilen, devil I don't why I can join debian-zh
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09:35<devil>ayaka: huh?
09:35<devil>why or how?
09:35<@Ganneff>its #debian-zh
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09:36<@Ganneff>and ayaka is in there
09:36<devil>hm, i am lost on half the stuff he asks
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09:38<ayaka>Ganneff, thank you,this is may be net erro
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09:41<krsna>what are the update-alternatives for the formatter of the manpages? I want to switch from groff to troff
09:41<krsna>its read with the pager, which will default to less. but how is the formatter, be it groff or troff, called?
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09:50<camila>ola quien res
09:51<@Ganneff>!es
09:51<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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09:53<s4br3>Hi, I have two iso files with content I want to burn on one single DVD. Apparently unionfs can do this, but the Debian Sid package "unionfs-fuse" gives me an error referring to kfreebsd. Hmmm. Does some know what is going on here?
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09:56<mjr>umm, you don't want to do it that way; loopback mount the images, copy the stuff out, and burn the directory then
09:56<s4br3>Aah, maybe I found a workaround: "cat a.iso b.iso > c.iso"
09:56<mjr>I have no idea if that works :]
09:57<s4br3>Just found it here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/burning-dvd-from-two-iso-files-625493/
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09:58<mjr>oh that sounds like a single image that was split due to some technical reason
09:58<mjr>having to do with file size
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09:58<mjr>*shrug*
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09:59<s4br3>mjr: Im testing it at least
10:00<mjr>feel free; hell, it might even work, I don't know enough about the multisession cdrom stuff
10:00<dli>mjr, did you try aufs?
10:00<mjr>but I'd just extract and re-image as said...
10:01<dli>mjr, not a big deal for computers nowadays
10:01<s4br3>mjr: If this blows up I'll do that.
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10:03<s4br3>It worked! 2619709440 + 2409039872 became 5028749312 bytes
10:03<s4br3>two minutes
10:04<petemc>can you burn it tho? or loopmount it?
10:04<s4br3>In a second
10:04<petemc>you can concatenate any two files together, its whether the resultant file is usable is key
10:09<mjr>and of course, that'll not fit on a single layer dvd
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10:10<s4br3>mjr: I have dual layer dvd
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10:12<s4br3>It is burning at least
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10:13<lll>http://www.greatbritain.spmgame.de/partner.php?ID=270973
10:13<mjr>well, have fun quite possibly trashing a dual-layer disc ;)
10:13<lll>enjoy it: http://www.greatbritain.spmgame.de/partner.php?ID=270973
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10:15<s4br3>20% 5MB/s
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10:22<ayaka>babilen, thank you,the first problem have solved
10:23<babilen>great
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10:26<ayaka>babilen, but another problem may cost us longer time
10:26<babilen>!tell ayaka -about bell
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10:31<s4br3>D**n, I had too many Iceweasel windows opens so it froze at 4.4GB done... While also rendering on Kdenlive...
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10:32<s4br3>:)
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10:33<s4br3>I'll test the catted later...
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10:34<ayaka>babilen, but xhcat still
10:34<ayaka>babilen, xset b off should in where,in xorg.conf?
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10:40<sret>so debian squeeze wont be having no xorf.conf is similar to ubuntu's approach/
10:40<sret>?
10:40<sret>i hear ubuntu doesnt have it either
10:41<daemonkeeper>Yes, this is the desired default behaviour for more recent X11 distributions
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10:42<Wasmosy>sret: debian has autodetection ... you can use xorg.conf if you want ...
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10:42<sret>ok
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10:46<utoo>help
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10:47<sney>!ask
10:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
10:47<Wasmosy>utoo: explain yourself
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10:48<utoo>hey ,so nice to see you all ,i am a new man to debian,and n
10:48<utoo>and new to use irc,
10:48<tash>utoo what you need to ask?
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10:49<Fanie>nmap doesnt work on windows
10:49<tash>neither this channel =/
10:49<sney>Fanie: in my experience it does, but that's offtopic in #debian
10:49<Wasmosy>Fanie: are you using windows?
10:50<Fanie>yes win7
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10:50<utoo>i don't know and i am not sure what i want,i just hear IRC and now i come to learn it
10:50<babilen>Fanie: There is ##windows on irc.freenode.net
10:51<babilen>!tell utoo -about irc tutorial
10:51<Wasmosy>utoo: first step, do you have a problem?
10:51<utoo>thanks very much
10:51<babilen>utoo: You should have received a private message from "dpkg" which contains two good IRC tutorials. You might want to read them. Welcome to IRC and to #debian :)
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10:53<utoo>now i think not,and i am going to the website and learn to use irc,THS all of you
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10:54<Fanie>Babilien: on what port?
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10:58<drone77>Fanie: 6667
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11:02<babilen>Fanie: try: bab<TAB> ;)
11:02<babilen>Fanie: And do you mean which ports are in use over at freenode? http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
11:03<babilen>Fanie: Basically "/connect irc.freenode.net" "/join ##windows" should get you there
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11:11<geli>hellooooo
11:11<geli>how can i install a tar.gz file?
11:11<geli>extracti it then?
11:11<sney>tar zxf file.tar.gz
11:12<sney>read 'man tar' for all of your available options
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11:12<geli>?
11:12<Wasmosy>geli: you have to compile "./configure, make , make install"
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11:12<geli>and can i ake it graphical?
11:12<sney>not to build it, no
11:12<Wasmosy>geli i dont think so ... you have to work on shell
11:12<geli>ok
11:13<geli>and how can i enter th the root profile?
11:13<sney>I was going to make a graphical autocompiler for standard tar.gz packages but the project lead remembered he is not good at programming
11:13<sney>still think it's a good idea though
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11:14<Wasmosy>sney can be ... but when you compile i thinks its better work with shell .. and have a little expirence
11:14<geli>and can i convert tar.gz to .deb?
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11:15<sney>!uupdate
11:15<dpkg>uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>
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11:15<sney>provided there's an older version in debian
11:15<Wasmosy>geli: thats more complicated than just compile .. when you want to pack ... you have to compile and pack and have to document everything
11:16<geli>:/
11:16<Wasmosy>geli install from the repositories
11:16<geli>i haven't got internet on the linux-pc
11:17<Wasmosy>mm
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11:17<Wasmosy>whats the program exactly
11:17<geli>i downloaded freevo on this pc puted on pendrive
11:17<geli>and i iwant to instll on the linux pc
11:17<sney>!freevo
11:17<dpkg>Freevo is a home theater framework written in Python. It can be used as a Personal Video Recoder (PVR) and for playback of other media (music, movies, games, etc). Packaged for Debian, <LIRC> support packaged as freevo-lirc. http://doc.freevo.org/FAQ http://freevo.org/ #freevo on irc.freenode.net.
11:18<sney>geli: you would be better served downloading it and any dependencies you need from http://packages.debian.org/ or getting your machine online and using aptitude/apt-get
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11:20<geli>yes i downloaded from packages.debian.org
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11:20<sney>if you downloaded from packages.d.o then why do you have .tar.gz? it also has the .deb for everything
11:20<geli>really?
11:20<sney>look at the page again, it will be more in the middle not in the blue column on the right
11:21<geli>don't see just tar.gz :/
11:21<geli>http://packages.debian.org/lenny/freevo
11:22<sney>geli: waaay down at the bottom
11:22<geli>found it
11:23<geli>yes i see :)
11:23<geli>but .deb package can be installed graphical
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11:23<sney>I don't know, synaptic can do something maybe
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11:24<sney>but best is still with terminal so you can see if there are any errors
11:24<sney>it might tell you that you need more packages too
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11:26<babilen>geli, sney: why install it manually at all?
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11:27<babilen>ah, offline
11:27<babilen>!apt offline
11:27<dpkg>To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html Ask me about <apt-zip><apt-walkabout>.
11:27<babilen>geli: /msg dpkg apt-zip -- /msg dpkg apt-walkabout
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11:28<geli>dpkg: i read this but i t was way hard
11:28<dpkg>geli: bugger all, i dunno
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11:28<geli>dpkg what?
11:28<dpkg>This!
11:28<sney>geli: dpkg is a bot
11:29<geli>ouch
11:29<geli>and how can i enter the root
11:29<sney>with su or sudo
11:29<geli>i n the user selector he says : you canot log in here
11:29<geli>if i use sudo it say si don't have premission to use it
11:30<sney>!sudoers
11:30<dpkg>You can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). For more security, please study the man pages from 'apropos sudo'. See also <visudo>.
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11:30<babilen>you need to install sudo for that though -- just run "su" on the command line whenever you need it
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11:31<bja>use root password for it. Or if you feel more secure su -c "yourcommandhere"
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11:34<geli>butif i type suido it says i don't have : xy is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported
11:36<bja>geli: just use su this time you will have root privilidges if you type root's password
11:36<bja>After that you can fix sudo also
11:36<geli>buti did it and had this error
11:37<fossiiil>geli: Yeah, your hacking attemps have been reported to administrator
11:37<geli>but i'm the olyn one wh uses the pc
11:37<fossiiil>yeah, and Obama is white
11:38<geli>lol
11:38<fossiiil>;-)
11:38<geli>I'M the only one who uses the pc
11:38<geli>in my family nobody knows what is linux
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11:39<fossiiil>geli: can you get root rights? if you want to use sudo, you have to edit /etc/sudoers. try 'man sudoers'
11:40<geli>but if i want to edit ect/sudoer it says: i don't have premission
11:40<geli>and i canot log onto root user, because the graphic log in screen says: you cannot log on root here
11:40<bja>geli: do you have root's passwordw?
11:41<geli>where the hell can i logon? on the wc?
11:41<geli>yes of course
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11:41<bja>geli: cool down. Log in as your regular user
11:41<babilen>geli: "su" and enter your root password. You are either done now, because you are already root, or you want to use sudo. "aptitude install sudo" to install it and "visudo" to edit /etc/sudoers (man sudoers for the gory details -- /msg dpkg sudoers for a short overview)
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11:42<geli>ok
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11:46<geli>and if i want to download apps from the internet i don't neet root privileges?
11:46<geli>and where can i configure wired interneT?
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11:47<bja>geli: are you logged in yet?
11:47<geli>no
11:47<geli>i need to disassembe the linux pc
11:48<babilen>geli: Why don't you login first :)
11:48<geli>and go downstarits
11:48<bja>then log in as your regular user?
11:48<geli>yes i was logged in as regiuar, yes
11:48<babilen>geli: Ok, disassemble it and go downstairs then
11:48<adb>..
11:49<geli>but i will do it at the weekeng
11:49<geli>but i will do it at the weekend
11:49<babilen>(I don't quite understand why that is necesserary, but so be it)
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11:55<Djurres>Hello
11:55<geli>hi
11:55<Djurres>I have got a prob with my debian,
11:55<Djurres>i do not know what i am doing wrong
11:56<Djurres>the problem is that i cant run a .pl file?
11:56<babilen>!enter
11:56<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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11:56<geli>debhelper? who is it?
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11:57<Thalius>Djurres
11:57<babilen>geli: A not always friendly bot
11:57<geli>ouch..
11:57<Thalius>Perhaps you dont have execution rights?
11:57<Djurres>I am logged in on Root
11:57<geli>dpkg is friendly :d
11:57<dpkg>wish i knew, geli
11:57<geli>:D
11:57<Djurres>so, i think i have the execution rights,
11:57<geli>luw ya dpkg
11:57<geli>xD
11:57<Djurres>the error i get, is Permission Denied.
11:57<Djurres>But i am quite new to this kind of computing,
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11:58<Thalius>Well, that would point out you don ;)
11:58<Djurres>:D
11:58<Thalius>can you give the output of 'ls -l'
11:58<Djurres>Sec
11:58<babilen>Djurres: Does the script needs to be executed with as root? (why?) So you are saying that neither calling the script as "/path/to/script.pl" or "perl /path/to/script.pl" works? What errors do you get? Can you paste them to http://paste.debian.net please?
11:58<Djurres>Second..
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11:59<Djurres>vps1163:/home# ls -l
11:59<Djurres>total 52
11:59<Djurres>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 21 19:38 anope
11:59<Djurres>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 21 19:36 anope-binaries
11:59<Djurres>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1589 Jan 1 2006 bot.pl
11:59-!-Djurres was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
11:59<babilen>geli: That ^^^ was debhelper
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11:59<Djurres>Oh
11:59<Djurres>I cant past it here,
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11:59<Thalius>http://paste.debian.net
11:59<Djurres>Where did you said i could past that ls -l?
11:59<Thalius>gogo ;)
11:59<babilen>Djurres: Why are you working as root?
12:00<Djurres>babilen, i told ya, i am new to *nix, so i dont know why i am working as root.
12:00<Djurres>http://paste.debian.net/plain/106151
12:00<Djurres>that is ls -l
12:00<Thalius>also, if youre trying to execute bot.pl: it appears you dont have execution rights
12:00<Thalius>you have read and write
12:00<Thalius>but no execution
12:00<Djurres>Hmm
12:00<Djurres>How can i add execution rights?
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12:01*themill bets that something called "bot.pl" shouldn't be running as root
12:01<Thalius>chmod u+x bot.pl
12:01<Thalius>also, what themill said
12:01<Djurres>got to type that?
12:01<Thalius>executing stuff under root == baad
12:01<babilen>Djurres: Log in as your user. Then download that bot again, run "chmod u+x /path/to/bot.pl" (adjust paths) and then "/path/to/bot.pl" alternatively: "perl /path/to/bot.pl"
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12:01<Djurres>@ themill - new to *nix, so i am sorry i am doing things wrong
12:02<themill>!root
12:02<dpkg>It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306
12:02<bja>!themill
12:02<Djurres>Okay.
12:02<babilen>Djurres: What is that bot anyway?
12:02<Djurres>Just a little copypasted irc bot
12:02<Djurres>I just want to add some commands.
12:03<Djurres>But, the prob is, i cant run it.
12:03*themill sobs quietly in the corner
12:03<babilen>Djurres: OK, don't even think about running it as root.
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12:03<Djurres>babilen: ok. Now i am gonna log on as a user.
12:03<Djurres>Second
12:03*babilen hands themill a handkerchief and a large portion of icecream
12:03<drone77>themill: that is the dunce corner not the crying corner
12:03<themill>icecream \o/
12:04<Djurres>Okay,
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12:04<Djurres>Now am i logged on as a user, not as root anymore.
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12:05<Djurres>djurres@vps1163:/home$ chmode u+x /home/bot.pl
12:05<Djurres>-bash: chmode: command not found
12:05<babilen>wonderful, I already told you what to do in order to get that script running.
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12:06<babilen>Djurres: It is "chmod" not "chmode" (note the difference)
12:06<corvus_corax>hi
12:06<Djurres>Oh, sorry
12:06<Djurres>:D
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12:06<Thalius>tbh, i made the same mistake when i first used it
12:06<Djurres>djurres@vps1163:/home$ chmod u+x /home/bot.pl
12:06<Djurres>chmod: changing permissions of `/home/bot.pl': Operation not permitted
12:06<Thalius>you will need to change is as root (which is the owner of the file)
12:07<Thalius>use sudo
12:07<Djurres>ok
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12:07<Djurres>Hmm
12:07<Djurres>I did
12:07<Thalius>after this you will need to change the owner of the file
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12:08<Djurres>sudo chmod u+x /home/bot.pl
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12:08<Djurres>but it doesnt respond anything.
12:08<Thalius>it doesnt
12:08<Djurres>ok
12:08<Thalius>look at ls -l
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12:08<Djurres>http://paste.debian.net/plain/106152
12:08<babilen>Djurres: I started with: "Download the bot again" -- I would actually recommend to delete the files from /home (/home/bot.pl for example and the others) -- Then download the bot to ~/downloads/whatever ...
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12:09<Thalius>it now has -rwx
12:09<Djurres>I already re-downloaded the bot, deleted it first, and i downloaded it again.
12:09<Thalius>where the x stands of execute
12:09<Djurres>So, i have to execute it now?
12:09<Thalius>now change the owner of the file so you can run the program under your own user account
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12:10<Djurres>and, how do i change the owner of the file :$
12:10<Thalius>sudo chown username:username but.pl
12:10<Djurres>ok
12:10<Thalius>where username is your username ofcourse :)
12:10<babilen>Djurres: You don't want that bot to belong to root. Move it into *your* users home directory, change the owner (chown yourusername:yourusername FILE1 FILE2 FILE3 ...) and ...
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12:10<Thalius>and but is bot.pl :o
12:10<Thalius>awesome typo that.
12:10<Djurres>Yeh, it is now djurres' his file.
12:10<Djurres>Okay
12:11<Djurres>So now i could execute it?
12:11<Thalius>yes sir.
12:11<Djurres>Ok,
12:11<Thalius>tough you might want to move it to your home directory
12:11<Djurres>Thanks,
12:11<Djurres>This is working.
12:11<babilen>Djurres: "perl bot.pl" or "/path/to/bot.pl" or "./bot.pl"
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12:11<Djurres>Now i got one error left,
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12:11<Djurres>but first,
12:11<Thalius>incase it needs to write some cash files or what not
12:11<Djurres>dinner,
12:11*babilen knows that we just helped to create another rampaging IRC bot
12:12<Djurres>Thanks for all your help, Thalius, and babilen.
12:12<Thalius>it... is.. ALIVE!
12:12*Thalius remembers fishbot
12:13<Thalius>aaah good old quakenet.
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12:44<sixto>hola}
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13:11<Djurres>Thalius? babilen?
13:11<Djurres>Are u both online atm?
13:12<babilen>hmm?
13:12<Djurres>Cause
13:12<Djurres>I got another problem with the bot -.-
13:12<Thalius>oh noes :o
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13:12<Djurres>http://paste.debian.net/plain/106159
13:13<babilen>Djurres: Looks as if your Perl-fu is weak and as if you need additional modules
13:13<Thalius>indeed
13:14<jordanm>,file IRC.pm
13:14<Djurres>Hmh..
13:14<judd>IRC.pm in lenny/i386: cgiirc: usr/share/cgiirc/modules/IRC.pm; irssi: usr/lib/perl5/Irssi/Irc.pm; libnet-irc-perl: usr/share/perl5/Net/IRC.pm; libpoe-component-irc-perl: usr/share/perl5/POE/Component/IRC.pm, usr/share/perl5/POE/Filter/IRC.pm; pisg: usr/share/perl5/Pisg/Parser/Format/kvirc.pm, usr/share/perl5/Pisg/Parser/Format/mIRC.pm, usr/share/perl5/Pisg/Parser/Format/sirc.pm
13:14<witte>Djurres: seems like you need libnet-irc-perl
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13:15<Thalius>Doesnt the readme or website list the dependencies of your bot-script?
13:15<Djurres>Yh, i am looking for the dependencies now..
13:15<Djurres>Hm..
13:16<Djurres>http://wholok.com/irc/
13:16<Djurres>There i got the bot from.
13:16<Djurres>I just downloaded it, but no modules i have to add i think..
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13:17<babilen>Djurres: What are you trying to do? Why are you using an obviously unmaintained and outdated bot?
13:18<jordanm>Djurres: the big warning at the top didn't turn you away to another bot?
13:18*themill does the little "If you have to ask you shouldn't" dance
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13:18<babilen>Djurres: Also check http://wholok.com/irc/#need and the first sentence on that page
13:18<amakusa>I run console mode only, how can I get a command to be automatically executed as soon as I enter my username and password???
13:18<Djurres>Aaaah, okay
13:19<Djurres>the net module thingie.
13:19<jordanm>Djurres: however, you should get the module from the debian package instead of cpan
13:19<jordanm>always check packages before doing cpan
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13:19<babilen>Djurres: And use infobot ;)
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13:20<Djurres>Okay, this was a little to much information, i already told some peeps here, that i am new to debian,
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13:22<Djurres>jordanm
13:22<jordanm> yep?
13:22<Djurres>You said something about the module from the debian package instad of cpan.
13:22<kop_>Djurres: FYI. If you're new to debian you may find http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware useful. (As well as typing "/msg dpkg grounding" into your irc client.)
13:22<jordanm>Djurres: aptitude install libnet-irc-perl
13:23<Djurres>that is what i have to type or what? (sorry, am really a newb) and kop_, thx for your info!
13:23<kop_>Djurres: You'd type what's in quotes into irc. The bot will respond.
13:23<kop_>Djurres: (And the url I assume you know what to do with. :)
13:24<Djurres>btw, i am on windows @ IRC, i am in to my debian vps with putty.
13:25<jordanm>that doesn't matter
13:25<kop_>Djurres: Does not matter. (Although some irc clients separate /msg output from the regular irc stream.)
13:25<Djurres>Okay, so i have to type that /msg dpkg grounding in my debian console?
13:25<kop_>Djurres: No. Into IRC,where you just typed your message.
13:26<retrospectacus>right here
13:27<Djurres>okay, done that, he pmed me with some info, i will take a look at that stuff.
13:27<kop_>Djurres: "he" is a bot.
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13:27<Djurres>Oh lol, i am a newb :D
13:28<Djurres>Okay, but now, something about that module to get my perlscript working.
13:28<retrospectacus>you can ask him a lot of things (in PM please)
13:28<themill>kop_: it's not a bot at all, it's just abrotman typing the same answers back out for people all the time!
13:28<Djurres>I had to install a module,
13:28<kop_>dpkg: nice bot
13:28<dpkg>Thanks! Meet me in #debian-offtopic where I can pat _your_ tush?
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13:29<Djurres><jordanm> Djurres: however, you should get the module from the debian package instead of cpan
13:29<Djurres>How could i find that module in the installed debian software?
13:29<jordanm>!as
13:29<dpkg>hmm... as is autosearch: install apt-file and use apt-cache search <packagename> and/or apt-file search <name> , do it yourself. Don't forget to run apt-file update ;)
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13:29<kop_>!tell Djurres about apt-file
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13:32<Djurres>kop_ : E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
13:32<Djurres>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
13:32<kop_>Djurres: You must be the root user to install packages.
13:32<Djurres>i have to do that first command as root?
13:32<Djurres>so i can use sudo aswell?
13:32<kop_>Djurres: Sure.
13:33<jordanm>if you configured sudo to allow that, yes
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13:33<Djurres>Okay, it is now updating/installing a few things/.
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13:33<Djurres>E: Can't write in /var/cache/apt/apt-file -.-
13:34<kop_>Djurres: You must be root to run apt-file update.
13:35<Djurres>Oh
13:35<Djurres>Ok
13:35<kop_>Djurres: If you have a problem with permissions, being root will solve it. (Although you don't want to paper over a real problem by being root either.)
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13:35<Djurres>They just told me it is better to leave root as much as possible.
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13:35<kop_>Djurres: Yes.
13:35<Djurres>How can i log out and log on into root?
13:35<Djurres>what is the command?
13:35<kop_>Djurres: su
13:35<Djurres>Normally i just close putty
13:36<bartm>Djurres, switch to root by typing this : su -
13:36<kop_>Djurres: It's a bad idea (TM) to allow root to login with a password from a remote location.
13:36<kop_>bartm: The - is no longer necessary. (See some bug or another.)
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13:37<Djurres>Okay
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13:38<Djurres>Now i typed aptitude install last things
13:38<Djurres>aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update
13:38<Djurres>this is what i typed.
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13:38<Djurres>so
13:38<Djurres>now i have to type apt-file search perl
13:39<Djurres>to see if there is any package which solves the perl problem?
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13:39<jordanm>Djurres: look at your error again. Try to figure out what file it says its missing and search for that. hint: the file is not called "perl"
13:39<Djurres>hmm
13:39<Djurres>lemme run the bot.pl again :)
13:40<Djurres>how can i switch to my normal account again?
13:40<jordanm>"exit"
13:40<Djurres>ok
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13:40<cyrus_nk>Hi guys!
13:41<Djurres>Hello,
13:41<LightningTH>If I use a tick (`) to run a command (example, pull a value from a file), is there a way to get a second group of ticks inside the first tick group to also run?
13:41<Djurres>jordanm: i just typed ./bot.pl , but the console doesn't respond?
13:41<retrospectacus>LightningTH: use $() syntax instead of ``
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13:42<makina>eiii
13:42<jordanm>LightningTH: what is your use case for nesting command substitution?
13:42<cyrus_nk>i habe lenny and i want to install gnucash from the squeeze repo. Why is it upgrading everything? How can i install only gnucash from squeeze? Thank you!
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13:43<jordanm>cyrus_nk: you can't without pulling all its new depends. you should not mix releases like that
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13:43<retrospectacus>LightningTH: The backquote (`) is used in the old-style command substitution, e.g. foo=`command`. This syntax is deprecated in favor of foo=$(command). Backslash handling inside $() is less surprising, and $() is easier to nest. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/082
13:43<Djurres>jordanm: i just typed ./bot.pl , but the console doesn't respond?
13:43<bartm>cyrus_nk, search google for "apt pinning"
13:43<cyrus_nk>yes but it' updating other software nt just dependencies
13:43<retrospectacus>Djurres: probably means it's working
13:43<Djurres>Nope
13:43<Djurres>Cause
13:43<Djurres>There is no bot in my IRC channel -.-
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13:43<jordanm>cyrus_nk: did you do an aptitude upgrade?
13:44<retrospectacus>Djurres: please use a single line to say things, a lot of people are trying to talk here
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13:44<LightningTH>retrospectacus: hmm. let me try it. playing with busybox so may not be able to
13:44<cyrus_nk>aptitude upgrade its upgrading to squeeze?
13:44<jordanm>cyrus_nk: yes
13:44<cyrus_nk>no
13:44<cyrus_nk>i'm afraid:)
13:44<bartm>cyrus_nk, as I said, use "apt pinning"
13:45<jordanm>cyrus_nk: no, I mean an aptitude upgrade at any point without proper pinning will upgrade your system to squeeze.
13:45<cyrus_nk>searcing now
13:45<jordanm>!pinning
13:45<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences
13:45<LightningTH>looks like i have to put a minor script together instead as it doesnt like $(). oh well. thanks :)
13:45<cyrus_nk>i'm googling now
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13:45<retrospectacus>Djurres, then there is something wrong (misconfiguration? check the logs?) - if the terminal does not return to the prompt, it is working (doing something)
13:45<jordanm>LightningTH: doesn't like?
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13:45<Djurres>Hmm, okay, thanks.
13:45<Djurres>Let me check the config file
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13:48<retrospectacus>LightningTH: well you can see in the link there you can use backslashes to escape ` inside `
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13:49<kop_>Djurres: You can also get no prompt by not closing a quote. Something like (where <cr> is pressing the return key) echo 'foo<cr>bar<cr>baz'<cr>
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13:50<retrospectacus>yes if you mismatched some brackets or quotes the terminal may be waiting for input but it should put a > on each next line
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13:51<Djurres>Okay
13:51<Djurres>Now i have got somthing strange
13:51<Djurres>Lemme make a picture of it.
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13:52<kop_>cyrus_nk: You should really be using backports. It has the squeeze gnucash version it it. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware for an overview or http://backports.debian.org/.
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13:53<kop_>Djurres: You probably don't need a picture.
13:53<kop_>!paste
13:53<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
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13:54<Djurres>I think i need a picture ;)
13:54<Djurres>I know how to use paste websites.
13:54<Djurres>http://i55.tinypic.com/2n7fnep.jpg
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13:54<cyrus_nk>is it safe to upgrade from lenny to squeeze?
13:54<retrospectacus>yeah... no way a text snippet could have conveyed that :\
13:55<kop_>cyrus_nk: Yes. But you must follow the release notes to be sure.
13:55<retrospectacus>cyrus_nk, safer if you ask dpkg about lenny->squeeze first
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13:56<kop_>Djurres: So, your bot.pl program runs without output. Is is supposed to have output?
13:56<Djurres>i think so,
13:56<kop_>Djurres: (Runs forever without output.)
13:56<Djurres>and even the script isnt working.
13:57<Djurres>cause
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13:57<retrospectacus>Djurres: looks fine. The # is interpreted as a comment so #punchforum is not actually passed to bot.pl though
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13:57<Djurres>normally, if the script is working, there is no bot who joined the channel?
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13:58<retrospectacus>Djurres: try: ./bot.pl irc.travian.org 6667 \#punchforum
13:58<Djurres>witch that / in front of the #?
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13:58<retrospectacus>the terminal ignores everything after #
13:58<Djurres>oh, ok
13:58<retrospectacus>unless u escape it with \
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13:59<Djurres>aaah, maybe that is the prob :D
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13:59<retrospectacus>because # is a "to-line-end" commment in bash
13:59<Djurres>still no output @ the console.
13:59<retrospectacus>Djurres: so bot.pl does not output anything
14:00<Djurres>true. no output
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14:05<cyrus_nk>it worked from backports, tanks kop_ and thanks guys!
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14:08<another_guest>hello?
14:08<retrospectacus>hi
14:08<another_guest>hi there retro. are you using debian?
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14:09<retrospectacus>I sure am
14:09<bartm>who doesn't :)
14:09<retrospectacus>chumps, that's who
14:09<another_guest>me, not. :)
14:09<another_guest>please, dont shoot.
14:09<another_guest>:D
14:09<retrospectacus>better get on that
14:09<kop_>another_guest: We're here to support debian, so if you've a question just ask.
14:09<another_guest>can you help me how can I install debian?
14:09<EmleyMoor>Chumps, or worse, bunts.
14:10<retrospectacus>!install
14:10<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
14:10<bartm>another_guest, try asking a more specific question
14:10<kop_>another_guest: A new version of debian stable is due to be released in a week. You would probably do well to install that so you don't have to upgrade. (Although upgrading works well if you follow the release notes and it can be instructive.)
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14:11<Wasmosy>is here somebody?
14:11<tash>Wasmosy: no
14:11<another_guest>ok, right now i dont have a cd and cd burner so i want to install it from the net or maybe from a usb if possible. an i am not familiar with these linux based things, so please tell me the easies way to install debian.
14:11<Wasmosy>i have a problem with kvm .. the internet is going very slow ...
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14:11<kop_>another_guest: See also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware for information on how to install the software you probably want.
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14:11<EmleyMoor>Wasmosy: What kind of networking are you using?
14:12<Wasmosy>EmleyMoor: what do yo mean exactly? i have an ADSL conection with a dlink router ..
14:12<kop_>another_guest: The installation guide has a section on installing from usb stick. Would that work or do you have some other way in mind?
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14:12<EmleyMoor>another_guest: I use a USB stick for installs these days
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14:12<EmleyMoor>Wasmosy: I mean in kvm... userspace, tap/tun, what?
14:12*kop_ prefers pxeboot for installation. Plug into the network and go!
14:13<another_guest>kop_ no much. ok i will look at the links you posted.
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14:13<another_guest>thanks.
14:13<dvs>another_guest: you can put the new version on a USB easily
14:13<corvus_corax>!netinstall
14:13<dpkg>netinst is probably a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
14:13<dvs>corvus_corax: no CD burner
14:13<Wasmosy>EmleyMoor: how can i see that? im newbie with kvm ...
14:13<kop_>We should give another_guest the link to the squeeze install page....
14:14<EmleyMoor>Wasmosy: Are you using any -net switches when you run it?
14:14<corvus_corax>dvs: i think you can also do it via usb but check out.
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14:14<bartm>another_guest, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
14:14<Wasmosy>EmleyMoor: i use the graphical manager ... the net is a "defaul NAT" device virtio
14:14<another_guest>ok.
14:14<_Alex__>Hay guys, i just installed Squeeze on my netbook (Was using Ubuntu Netbook remix 10.10), and getting much better speed and games run at hier FPS, but it can't find my internal card reader. What can i do? (I had this problem with ubuntu too))
14:15<another_guest>i am on the links. :)
14:15<EmleyMoor>Wasmosy: Probably userspace then. Using tap/tun is faster but takes quite a bit of setting up
14:15<Wasmosy>_Alex__: lspci shows to you?
14:15<kop_>another_guest: Do you have a 32 or 64 bit box?
14:16<another_guest>64bit
14:16<jhutchins_lt>Wasmosy: It's possible that your framing is not detecting correctly because of the VM, you might have to adjust it manually.
14:16<Wasmosy>EmleyMoor: the maching go very well ... but the net is going like 5 time slower ...
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14:16<_Alex__>Wasmosy: No, maybie yes, if it is the Sbus thing
14:16<Wasmosy>_Alex__: put a card and take a look to dmesg ...
14:16<_Alex__>What is sbus?
14:16<EmleyMoor>Wasmosy: Indeed - but user mode networking is slower than using tun/tap
14:16<kop_>another_guest: Humm. I wonder if we're still recommending 32 bits for desktop users because propretary stuff (like flash)does not work so well on 64 bits....
14:17<Wasmosy>EmleyMoor: mmm ... is there any tutorial to use that tun tap mode?
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14:17<kop_>another_guest: Any thoughts?
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14:17<bartm>kop_, flash works ok on 64 bit last time I checked
14:17<another_guest>kop_ well i am not sure.
14:17<_Alex__>Wasmosy: No, like it is not in the netbook
14:18<kop_>another_guest: 64 bits it is then. Hang on.
14:18<another_guest>but i have a amd 64 bi machine.
14:18<another_guest>*bit
14:18<bahamat>Is there a particular difference between a generic "ram disk" and whatever "/dev/shm" is?
14:18<_Alex__>Weird
14:18<kop_>another_guest: Here's the install guide for squeeze (6.0) about to be released. http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/index.html
14:19<EmleyMoor>http://wiki.debian.org/QEMU#Networking - "Host and guests on same network"
14:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 503] by debhelper
14:19<Wasmosy>EmleyMoor: thanks .. ill take a look
14:19<EmleyMoor>Example is for qemu but works identically with kvm
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14:19<another_guest>kop_ should i download this one debian-508-amd64-netinst.iso ?
14:19<bartm>another_guest, yes
14:19<another_guest>squeeze? uh? which is the latest version?
14:19<kop_>another_guest: No. The new images can be found here: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
14:20<kop_>bartm: No. He wants squeeze.
14:20<bartm>another_guest, squeeze is what you want, sorry
14:20<corvus_corax>^^
14:20<bartm>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_rc2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-squeeze-di-rc2-amd64-netinst.iso
14:20<another_guest>squeeze is a deb version or the installer?
14:21<kop_>another_guest: squeeze is Debian 6.0.
14:21<daemonkeeper>Squeeze is the codename of the upcoming Debian release
14:21<bartm>squeeze is the name of the release
14:21<another_guest>stable?
14:21<EmleyMoor>It's the codename of the next stable release - due out in a matter of days
14:21<bartm>almost stable
14:21<bartm>just a few days
14:21<another_guest>lenny is the latest stable right now?
14:21<Wasmosy>EmleyMoor: i have to put the bridge and thats it?
14:21<kop_>another_guest: You will be able to upgrade all your software as it becomes stable.
14:21<Wasmosy>another_guest: yes ...
14:22<corvus_corax>shouldnt be a problem installing squeeze now, right ?
14:22<another_guest>i want to installe lenny and then upgrade to squeeze when it is stable..
14:22<_Alex__>Is it normal that on my computer, when i updated my machine from lenny to squeeze that it deletes my Gnome? (I used aptitude)
14:22<kop_>another_guest: Ok. Nothing wrong with that.
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14:22<EmleyMoor>Wasmosy: You need to set up the bridge as shown, and run kvm with the right -net switches
14:22<corvus_corax>agree
14:22<kop_>another_guest: The the netinstall you first asked about is right. And follow the release notes to upgrade!
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14:22<another_guest>ok kop_ can you please show me amd 64bit debian iso?
14:22<kop_>another_guest: Ah, right, That was i386.
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14:23<Wasmosy>EmleyMoor: i have to run in shell dont I? or i can set up that in the graphical manager?
14:23<kop_>another_guest: Follow the links at debian.org. You want the amd64 architecture. (You found almost the right one before.)
14:23<bartm>another_guest, if you want stable then here : http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
14:23<EmleyMoor>Wasmosy: The graphical manager may have a way but I don't use it
14:23<another_guest>ok, a sec.
14:24<bartm>this one should be ok for you http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.8/amd64/iso-cd/debian-508-amd64-netinst.iso
14:24<Wasmosy>EmleyMoor: ok ... thanks
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14:25<_Alex__>another_guest: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/
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14:25<kop_>_Alex__: Turns out he wants lenny.
14:25<corvus_corax>)
14:25<_Alex__>Aha
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14:25<jhutchins_lt>Is there a way to upgrade a 32b system to 64b?
14:26<bartm>jhutchins_lt, i doubt taht
14:26<kop_>jhutchins_lt: Last time someone asked the question here the answer was no.
14:26<kop_>!tell jhutchins_lt about aptitude clone
14:26<corvus_corax>not rly upgrade
14:26<_Alex__>But why? Squeeze willl be stable in notime, why wants another_guest lenny?
14:26<dvs>jhutchins_lt: not easily. You have to use chroot.
14:26<bartm>_Alex__, wants stable
14:26<kop_>_Alex__: Dunno. Maybe he wants the opportunity to upgrade.
14:27<_Alex__>lol
14:27<jhutchins_lt>_Alex__: squeeze currently doesn't have the same level of security support as lenny.
14:27<corvus_corax>o.O
14:27<corvus_corax>here we go ^^
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14:28<another_guest>debian-508-amd64-netinst.iso << this one what i need, right?
14:28<bartm>y
14:28<dvs>yes
14:28<jhutchins_lt>It would be smart to install/upgrade squeeze a week or two AFTER official release, not before.
14:28<another_guest>ok i downloaded it, but i dont have a cd right now to burn it. what else can i install debian with this iso file?
14:28<kop_>another_guest: Right. The trick is getting it to boot. You'll need to read the install guide. (IIRC the squeeze install can boot directly off usb without doing anything special.)
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14:29<_Alex__>another_guest: dd it to a USB stick worked for me
14:29<jhutchins_lt>!tell another_guest about usb install
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14:29<dvs>another_guest: not much
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14:29<kop_>jhutchins_lt: Considering squeeze will be stable, what really can change after release?
14:29<another_guest>alex? dd it to usb? what do you mean?
14:29<bartm>another_guest, see "man dd"
14:30<EmleyMoor>kop_: Some things often get fixed in the fortnight or two after release
14:30<corvus_corax>i think he is not using a unix/linux now .
14:30<kop_>EmleyMoor: How does that work? Installer/install guide stuff or other stuff?
14:30<another_guest>i am on windows 7 now...
14:30<EmleyMoor>Stuff stuff!
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14:30<kop_>EmleyMoor: Good. Somehow I thought that didn't happen.
14:31<jhutchins_lt>another_guest: Have you looked at the install guide yet?
14:31<_Alex__>anotherguest: As superuser: 'dd if=/path/to/image.iso of=/dev/sdb' for example
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14:31<_Alex__>aha
14:31<EmleyMoor>kop_: It's "stable", not "broken".
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14:31<dvs>_Alex__: in windows?
14:31<_Alex__>no
14:31<jhutchins_lt>another_guest: There are ways to get the insaller on a USB drive from Windows. One of the easiest is a program called unetbootin
14:31<corvus_corax>_Alex__:hes using win right now
14:31<_Alex__>sorry
14:31<mangmo>another_guest: dd if=isofile of=usb/device
14:31<jhutchins_lt>!unetbootin
14:31<dpkg>UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions, packaged for Debian. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ See also <usb install>.
14:31<jhutchins_lt>mangmo: dd doesn't usually work in windows.
14:31<_Alex__>mangmo: He uses windows
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14:32<mangmo>hmm
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14:32<corvus_corax>^^
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14:32<EmleyMoor>kop_: Nothing major changes, but the odd breakage is nothing unusual - also, security support kicks in.
14:32<kop_>EmleyMoor: I guess I better do my upgrades and complain early so as to get my problems addressed.
14:32<another_guest>unetbootin then, ok.
14:33<devil>jhutchins_lt: may i correct you: http://www.chrysocome.net/dd
14:33<jhutchins_lt>kop_: The pool of installations goes up drastically the first week, so a lot more bugs are caught. Besides which, the servers are swamped.
14:33<mangmo>some time unetbootin not work
14:33<jhutchins_lt>devil: Didn't say impossible, said didn't usually work.
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14:33<kop_>mangmo: I've heard that too. The wizards say to follow the instructions in the installation guide.
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14:33<jhutchins_lt>devil: I think there's a dd in citrix too.
14:33<devil>jhutchins_lt: i never used it, i been told, it works.
14:34<devil>jhutchins_lt: there is
14:34<jhutchins_lt>In any case, another_guest needs a way to install from windows, possibly by building a usb installer.
14:34<kop_>another_guest: (The offical instructions are in the install guide. If you have problems better follow those instructions.)
14:36<another_guest>yes but i am really not sure at all.
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14:36<another_guest>all i need is that iso and unebootin to install debian?
14:36<jhutchins_lt>another_guest: So may alternatives!
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14:36<_Alex__>another-guest: Yes!
14:36<jhutchins_lt>another_guest: Actually, I think all you need is unetbootin - it downloads it's own image.
14:36<another_guest>jhutchins, i am looking a way withou burning a cd.
14:37<jhutchins_lt>(Never ran it in windows)
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14:37<another_guest>ok then.
14:37<_Alex__>I never used Windows before
14:37<corvus_corax>wow
14:37<_Alex__>My 1st comp was a mac
14:37<EmleyMoor>_Alex__: Lucky
14:37<_Alex__>And i didn't like it
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14:38<another_guest>Wish me luck! :)
14:38<_Alex__>I do
14:38<jhutchins_lt>We'll be here.
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14:38<another_guest>thanks for help. good day!
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14:39<_Alex__>another_guest: Your'E wellcome
14:39<bartm>_Alex__, he/she's already out
14:39<_Alex__>lol, too late
14:39<_Alex__>sorry
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14:40<_Alex__>When i was wryting it, he/she was still loged in
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14:40<corvus_corax>!windows
14:40<dpkg>"PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work." Support for Microsoft Windows operating systems is available at ##windows on irc.freenode.net.
14:41<_Alex__>dpkg: Windows is for pussyes
14:41<dpkg>This is #Debian, is for pussyes, not #bungholes!
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14:55<JankySkan>Hey guys a while back someone suggested I read a book that if i recall right was obtainable through the apt-get. I remember it being called Gnu Rootbook but this could be a false memory.
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14:56<bartm>JankySkan, maybe this book ? http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz
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14:57<JankySkan>bartm: thank you so much I wouldn't have ever found that with google. I guess I remember the sound of the rute as the name root :P I appreciate your help.
14:58<bartm>it's good reading
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14:58<kop_>JankySkan: aptitude install rutebook
14:59<JankySkan>kop_: I am glad that I'm not crazy and it does have 'root' sound.
14:59<bartm>kop_, has been removed from squeeze http://packages.qa.debian.org/r/rutebook.html
15:00<Wasmosy>EmleyMoor: are you there?
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15:04<another_guest>ok, hello again.
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15:04<_Alex__>HI!! Guest!!
15:04<corvus_corax>another _guest:hi
15:04<Nelvu>ola
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15:05<_Alex__>How was the install, another_guest?
15:05<Nelvu>ok
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15:05<another_guest>i am on Ubuntu this time, and this is where i want to install Debian.
15:05<another_guest>but first i need some files to save first.
15:05<_Alex__>Ubuntu i don't like
15:05<Nelvu>you speak in english alex??
15:05<_Alex__>Natively? No
15:05<another_guest>i didn't like it, too. eh.
15:05<Nelvu>AMM
15:05<_Alex__>My native launguage is Slovak
15:06<Nelvu>amm
15:06<Nelvu>ok
15:06<Nelvu>sabs hablar español?
15:06<bartm>!es
15:06<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
15:06<Nelvu>chao me voi
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15:07<clear>xsane может отсканировать один раз а потом появляется ошибка:"неверный аргумент". Сканер canoscan lide60.
15:07<clear>xsane can be scanned once and then get an error: "invalid argument ". Scanner canoscan lide60.
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15:07<_Alex__>lol, I can't read azbuka
15:07<clear>)
15:07<weedeater64>! spanish
15:07<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
15:07<kop_>_Alex__: What's the top level slovackia (sp?) domain? Can you write a factoid we can give dpkg for the language?
15:08<_Alex__>what?
15:08<corvus_corax>kop_:why so ?
15:08<_Alex__>!sk
15:08<dpkg>methinks sk is Slovakia.
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15:08<corvus_corax>!cz
15:08<dpkg>cz is probably Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
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15:08<kop_>_Alex__: Is there a solvakian debian chanel?
15:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 509] by debhelper
15:09<_Alex__>IDK
15:09<_Alex__>English is easyer to speak in than slovak
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15:10<weedeater64>I've got mplayer installed, but if I do :~$ mencoder
15:10<weedeater64>bash: mencoder: command not found
15:10<weedeater64>What gives?
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15:11<kop_>weedeater64: Install the mencoder package?
15:11<weedeater64> acs mencoder
15:11<weedeater64>vstream-client-dev - Development headers for vstream-client
15:11<weedeater64>vstream-client - A library and utility to fetch media streams from a TIVO
15:12<weedeater64>where acs = apt-cache search
15:12<Torsten_W>you use lenny, squeeze?
15:12<_Alex__>I can't figure out what are you trying to say
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15:13<weedeater64>:~$ cat /proc/version
15:13<weedeater64>Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-26lenny1)
15:13<Torsten_W>weedeater64, then you can get mencoder only on debian-multimedia
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15:13<weedeater64>ah,
15:14<weedeater64>Just add
15:14<weedeater64>debian-multimedia
15:14<_Alex__>weedeater64:http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-upgrade-from-debian-lenny-to-squeeze
15:14<weedeater64>at end of line in sources ?
15:14<weedeater64>or new full line
15:14<devil>weedeater64: needs its own line
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15:14<weedeater64>_Alex__, I'll wait for the stable release, short time now
15:15<_Alex__>lol
15:15<weedeater64>Stable good
15:15<_Alex__>testing atractive
15:15<weedeater64>testing over my head...*sigh*
15:16<devil>weedeater64: i know people that think stable is old when its released :)
15:16<weedeater64>deavid, I'm not one of them.
15:16<weedeater64>meant devil sorry
15:16<_Alex__>All: Did you know, that debian 7 is gonna be called Wheeze
15:16<devil>well, i am ;)
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15:17<corvus_corax>nope
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15:17<deavid>think of stable as "server stable"
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15:17<devil>thats ok with me.
15:17<weedeater64>devil, I have a spare partition , I might get around to giving it a whirl.
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15:18<weedeater64>But again, I'd wait for the next testing, with new stable so close...
15:19<_Alex__>...
15:20<weedeater64>So debian wiki for how to debian-multimedia
15:20<devil>http://debian-multimedia.org/debian-m-unstable.php
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15:21<weedeater64>cool, thank guys/gals/...
15:21<vito>ciao
15:22<_Alex__>devil: He uses Lenny, not sid
15:22<devil>ups :)
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15:22<weedeater64>_Alex__, I got it, ty.
15:23<devil>hm, no link for stable
15:23<_Alex__>Aha
15:23<weedeater64>http://debian-multimedia.org/debian-m.php
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15:24<devil>weedeater64: well, tbh, i would rather use sid than let debian-multimedia onto my box :)
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15:25<weedeater64>devil, hmmm
15:25<weedeater64>I thought mencoder had been around forever, and should have been part of mplayer
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15:26<weedeater64>mencoder gonna be in squeeze?
15:26<devil>weedeater64: it has nothing to do with being around for a long time
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15:26<_Alex__>Well, squeeze is a repaired sid, so maybie
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15:27<themill>!mencoder
15:27<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, mencoder is in Debian from squeeze onwards and is also available from the debian-multimedia.org repositories, ask me about <dmm>. For usage instructions, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/mencoder.html and http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/encoding-guide.html . Also ask me about <mplayer faq>.
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15:27<devil>sid has 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1 0
15:27<_Alex__>!aptitude
15:27<dpkg>well, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude ops> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude
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15:28<_Alex__>!why aptitude
15:28<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful.
15:28<themill>_Alex__: you can /msg dpkg too
15:28<coreGrl>hi, there is an xcommand to know the list of monitors?
15:28<_Alex__>aha
15:28<_Alex__>sorry
15:29<amphi_>coreGrl: xrandr ?
15:29<cahoot>coreGrl: try xrandr -q
15:29<coreGrl>great!
15:29<coreGrl>tanx
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15:31<weedeater64>Let me explore this in another way;
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15:31<joutlan>mencoder-mt ftw
15:32<weedeater64>I was trying to do mencoder foo.ogv -o foo.avi -oac mp3lame -lameopts fast:preset=standard -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=4000
15:32<weedeater64>as per, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1501566
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15:32<coreGrl>someone knows how to use xinput to set my "pointer" (a tablet) to work on just my second monitor?
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15:32<weedeater64>Is there another utility, that is in my box already to do this? Or in the stable repo
15:33<Torsten_W>for mp3 you also need debioan-multimedia, since you would need lame
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15:34<Torsten_W>at the other side, you could use ffmpeg, but with the same restrictions
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15:34<weedeater64>Ok, is devil's aversion to debioan-multimedia a "freedom of speech" thing?
15:35<Torsten_W>no
15:35<Torsten_W>it's a real thing
15:35<Torsten_W>since the packaging in d-m ist mostly crap
15:35<devil>weedeater64: no, its a 'prevent users from breakage' thing
15:35<Torsten_W>and incompatible to packages in official debian
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15:36<corvus_corax>where can i read about incompa tibilities ?
15:37<jhutchins>,versions mencoder
15:37<judd>Package mencoder on i386 -- etch-multimedia: 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1; lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny4; sid: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; squeeze-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.1; sid-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.2; experimental: 2:1.0~rc4~try2.dfsg1-1
15:39<Torsten_W>corvus_corax, read? install libav* from d-m and install vlc from debian
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15:39<devil>and enjoy…
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15:40<corvus_corax>Torsten_W: why should i ?
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15:41<kop_>Torsten_W: Or more to the point, what's the best way to get multi-media codecs etc that arn't in Debian proper?
15:41<devil>corvus_corax: if you want to read, search for bugreports on libav (the ones on ubuntu forums should be most fun)
15:42<ompaul>devil: some say "it doesn't work for me"
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15:42<rtor>hello, i just got a wd 2tb usb-disc.. i want it as ntfs and it is ntfs.. but i cant mount it in fstab.. or in rc.local or in crontab.. when boot.. but i can mount it manualy.. havent found any help on google..
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15:42<devil>ompaul: do they? ;)
15:42<Torsten_W>kop_, download the source, change debian/rules to your needs, rebuild tha package
15:43<ompaul>they do
15:43<rtor>how do i make it mount at boot?
15:43<kop_>Torsten_W: The source from dmm? (Makes sense.) Why don't they fix it?
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15:44<kop_>rtor: Why can't you make a fstab entry for it?
15:44<Torsten_W>kop_, no, from debian
15:44<kop_>Torsten_W: Sid?
15:44<devil>i would have coordinated with you.
15:44<corvus_corax>devil:its already installed i checked ;), but ty anyways.
15:44<Torsten_W>what you use, i don't know
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15:44<devil>ups
15:44<weedeater64>Well, this guy that was doing the conversion thing said he was having trouble uploading .ogv to youtube. I have not had a problem with that. I just was curious about what he was doing. I think I'll avoid.
15:44<rtor>kop_: i did.. i tried alot of different syntexes.. but no one worked..
15:45<bahamat>rtor: show us one you tried
15:45<kop_>rtor: Did you try a uuid or disklabel?
15:45<rtor>yes
15:45<kop_>rtor: Show us.
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15:45<rtor>/dev/sdb1 /mnt/2tb ntfs-3g rw,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 0 0
15:45<rtor>nothing happend
15:46<mangmo>rtor: try to use uuid in fstab.
15:46<Torsten_W>rtor, umask=000 as option is enougth
15:46<citizen666>hello i got a huge problem i want to resize my partition but i can't gparted don't see that there is some partition on the disk gparted see it like a blank disk any idea ?
15:46<kop_>Torsten_W: I'm multi-media clueless and have never gone there. You're saying that everything _is_ in Debian, but is not enabled in the rules that control what gets compiled?
15:46<Torsten_W>kop_, yes
15:46<kop_>Torsten_W: Ah. Thanks.
15:47<Torsten_W>citizen666, it's damaged?
15:47<Torsten_W>citizen666, paste fdisk -l
15:47<kop_>rtor: Yes, a uuid or a disklabel. The device may not always be /dev/sdb1.
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15:48<jhutchins>citizen666: What is the disk in/from? There are partition table formats that gparted doesn't understand. Is it a mac?
15:48<Torsten_W>and the options are senseless
15:48<citizen666>Torsten_W, pastebin.com/9abv9t8j
15:48<citizen666>yhea i'ts an imac with linux + windows xp but no mac os on it
15:48<Torsten_W>citizen666, there is nothing
15:49<rtor>kop_: okok can you give me an example?
15:49<jhutchins>citizen666: bad link in the pastebin
15:49<rtor>kop_: found it on google. brb then.. forgot to put irssi in a screen..
15:50<rtor>brb
15:50<citizen666>Torsten_W, wrong adress sorry : http://pastebin.com/9Abv9T8J
15:50<Torsten_W>rtor, UUID=fobar /mnt/2tb ntfs-3g umask=0 0 0
15:50<kop_>rtor: Upi
15:50<rtor>thanks, ill try it
15:50<rtor>brb
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15:50<Torsten_W>citizen666, that'S GPT
15:50<Wasmosy>somebody who know about kvm?
15:50<Torsten_W>citizen666, gparted can't handle GPT
15:50<Torsten_W>Wasmosy, yes, the guys in #kvm on freenode
15:50<kop_>rtor: (sorry, typo) You'd be better off reading "man fstab" and understanding what you're doing than taking random examples off the internet.
15:50<jhutchins>citizen666: How did you create the linux partitions?
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15:51<kop_>!tell Wasmosy about somebody
15:51<citizen666>i created the partition using gparted :s
15:51<kop_>!tell Wasmosy about anyone
15:51<citizen666>except for the linux one i use the built it
15:51<citizen666>partitionner in the installation
15:51<Wasmosy>ok
15:51<Wasmosy>i understand
15:51<Wasmosy>xD
15:51<jhutchins>citizen666: Interesting. What do you want to resize?
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15:52<citizen666>i want to resize the linux one to install another linux side by side
15:52<Torsten_W>the installer does not use gparted iirc
15:54<jhutchins>citizen666: Well, the safest and probably fastest way is to back it up, delete it, and create new ones. You might be able to resize it with the OSX diskutil.
15:54<citizen666>ok thanks i will try that
15:54<citizen666>:) that help was appreciatted
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15:56<rtor>did not work..
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15:57<rtor>UUID="0C2259DF2259CE78" /mnt/2tb ntfs-3g umask=0 0 0
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15:57<rtor>is that right?
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15:59<mangmo>rtor: y
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16:00<mangmo>rtor : can you mount it on boot?
16:00<Torsten_W>why on boot?
16:00<Torsten_W>mount -a would tell if it is right
16:00<rtor>mangmo: no, i can´t mount it on boot.. not with fstab
16:01<another_guest>do i any need to make disk partition while installing debian?
16:01<ComradeHaz`>Hi all, how do I go about having multiple tftpd-hpa root directories for different machines?
16:01<mangmo>hmm...
16:01<Torsten_W>rtor, this is a external disk?
16:01<rtor>Torsten_W: when i typed mount -a the usb-drive got mounted..
16:01<another_guest>i want debian in one directory.. no C:\ and D:\ or something else as in Windows.
16:02<Torsten_W>rtor, you want noauto as bootoption
16:02<Torsten_W>another_guest, you can't install debian in windows
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16:02<rtor>Torsten_W: rw,noaouto ?
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16:02<Torsten_W>rtor, rw, is useless
16:02<another_guest>Torsten_W, no no. i am just saying it as an example.
16:02<rtor>Torsten_W: okok
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16:03<another_guest>i wonder debian installer installs debian in one directory only? or make some disk partitions?
16:03<Torsten_W>rtor, noauto because the boot would stopp, if the drive is not connected
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16:03<Torsten_W>linux always needs a partition
16:03<Torsten_W>linux can't be installed on a windows-fs
16:03<rtor>Torsten_W: ok, i get it.. UUID="0C2259DF2259CE78" /mnt/2tb ntfs-3g,noauto umask=0 0 0 <-- does it look right?
16:04<another_guest>swap area you mean?
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16:04<corvus_corax>another_guest: when you already installing debian then it does it automaticly
16:04<another_guest>no problemo then.
16:04<another_guest>thank you corvus_corax.
16:04<another_guest>:)
16:04<corvus_corax>np ^^
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16:05<rtor>brb
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16:07<rtor>Torsten_W: did not work :o
16:08<Torsten_W>what dit not work?
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16:08<mangmo>this ext hdd
16:08<rtor>Torsten_W: UUID="0C2259DF2259CE78" /mnt/2tb ntfs-3g user,noauto umask=0 0 0
16:08<rtor>that
16:09<rtor>in fstab
16:09<rtor>but when i run mount -a .. the drive mounts
16:09<citizen666>Torsten_W, macosx cannot be installed on this computer !! but it's an imac + the built in partitionner don't work
16:10<mangmo>rtor : r u make a directory /mnt/2tb yet?
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16:10<rtor>mangmo: yes
16:10<rtor>:/mnt/2tb$
16:10<citizen666>Torsten_W, so don't really know what to try now...
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16:11<Torsten_W>rtor, it's normal
16:11<Torsten_W>rtor, noauto is no automount on boot
16:12<Torsten_W>citizen666, i have never said, you should install MacOS
16:12<rtor>Torsten_W: okok, then i need an auto mount.. in some script.. rc.local?
16:12<citizen666>no but use the built in partitioner
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16:12<citizen666>and it don't work
16:12<Torsten_W>rtor, so what's your exact problem?
16:12<rtor>Torsten_W: i want to auto-mount the drive ofcurse..
16:12<Torsten_W>rtor, on boot?
16:12<Torsten_W>rtor, on connect?
16:13<Torsten_W>citizen666, i have no clue about gpt
16:13<rtor>Torsten_W: not on boot.. but i want to be able to access it after a reboot without needing to login and mount it
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16:14<Torsten_W>rtor, your debian version is?
16:14<rtor>2.6.26-2-686
16:14<Torsten_W>this is a kernel
16:14<rtor>yes
16:14<Torsten_W>but it's lenny
16:14<rtor>yes
16:14<Torsten_W>i would install squeeze
16:15<Torsten_W>then you can remove the line from the fstab
16:15<Torsten_W>install ntfsconfig and use udev/automount
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16:16<Torsten_W>rtor, on lenny i have no clue, how to do with hal/udev
16:16<rtor>so i need to upgrade the whole system?
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16:17<rtor>hm.. sure ill try it
16:18<another_guest>jhutchins, are you still around?
16:18<rtor>Torsten_W: will upgrade
16:18<jhutchins>another_guest: Maaaybe.
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16:19<another_guest>jhutchins, i'm trying to install debian with your link: unetbootin
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16:19<another_guest>well, it's fine, writes the .iso file to the usb and i made it to boot from the usb. ok.
16:20<another_guest>but at the installation, it asks me the installation CD, how come?
16:20<another_guest>what should i do now?
16:21<another_guest>debian-508-amd64-netinstiso <--- which i have and was using unetbootin to install from a usb memory..
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16:24<babilen>another_guest: You might want to try https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download with the Squeeze images (next Debian release -- http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/) -- I have never done this from Windows or used unetbootin, so I can't really comment on that.
16:24<babilen>another_guest: another idea would be to try the unetbootin with the squeeze images, mount the stick and make sure that the squeeze iso *file* is on the stick.
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16:25<another_guest>babilen, thank you, but i want to install a stable version, so i'll choose lenny to install. and i don't have a option to burn a cd now, so i'm trying to install debian from a usb.
16:25<babilen>(or just make sure that the debian-508-*.iso is on the stick fwiw)
16:25<babilen>another_guest: You are aware that squeeze will most likely be released as stable in 5 days?
16:26<another_guest>then i'll upgrade.
16:26<another_guest>but, i can't install debian lenny now. :)
16:26<babilen>sure
16:26<qwd>I've used unetbootin and it works great.
16:27<another_guest>qwd, it might be something about Ubuntu, which i'm using right now?
16:27<babilen>I have never done this from Windows -- The error you get is typically caused by a missing debian-508-amd64-netinst.iso *file* (or whatever) on the usb stick. I would mount it (or whatever windows calls that) and make sure it is on the stick.
16:27<babilen>another_guest: You are using Ubuntu right now?
16:27<another_guest>babilen, yes.
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16:28<another_guest>it starts booting from the usb, but later asks me for the installation cd. eh.
16:28<babilen>another_guest: Ah, I thought you were the one who wanted to prepare the usb stick from Windows. Well, you can then try the officially blessed usb install outlined in the installation guide (/msg dpkg usb install)
16:28<another_guest>babilen, i am that one. :)
16:28<another_guest>ok.
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16:29<babilen>another_guest: As I said, that error is typically due to somebody forgetting to place the iso *file* on the usb or by mixing architectures (usb image for i386 and iso for amd64 for example)
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16:31<another_guest>ok, i'll try again.
16:31<another_guest>brb.
16:31<babilen>I would just try placing the file on the unetbootin-created stick and then "the easy way" in the installation guide. Make sure the architecture matches and to place the ISO file on the stick. Should work.
16:31<babilen>another_guest: Good luck.
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16:32<another_guest>babilen, what do you mean the iso file on the stick? it extracts the files in the iso file to the usb stick.
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16:32<another_guest>i mean, there is no .iso file in the usb now..
16:33<another_guest>files like: css, dists, doc, install, install.amd, isolinux, pics, pool ... etc.
16:33<babilen>another_guest: No, don't extract the files from the iso to the stick but rather place the file *itself* on the stick -- It will be loop-mounted and used as the "CD"
16:33<jthomas_sb>I have a Debian webserver that once handled email as well (Exim4 on Lenny); now we're moving this client's email to Google but I'm having issues getting this server to stop seeing itself as the domain for email. Can anyone assist me?
16:33<babilen>another_guest: Yes, I know what you mean and I have no idea what unetbootin does, but the official way needs the ISO file on the disk. The file! Not its content.
16:34<another_guest>i didn't do that, unetbootin extracted files to the usb.
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16:34<another_guest>ok babilen, then i delete all the things on the usb, and copy-paste the debian-508-amd64-netinst.iso file only there and boot from the usb?
16:35<babilen>no
16:35<another_guest>sorry, but can you please tell me what exactly i should do to install debian from the usb? :)
16:36<babilen>As I said: I don't know how unetbootin works. I would try: 1. Just copy the debian-508-amd64-netinst.iso to the stick (as it is now, no deleting) and if that doesn't work: 2. Follow the method outlined in the installation guide
16:36<mangmo>another_guest: u can't boot with .iso
16:37<another_guest>copy-paste the .iso file among them in the usb?
16:37<babilen>another_guest: It might just be that unetbootin "forgot" to copy the file and that it'll just work™ if you copy the iso file over (that might just fix the "no installation bla found" error)
16:37<babilen>another_guest: I mean to copy debian-508-amd64-netinst.iso to the stick
16:37<another_guest>ok.
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16:38<babilen>I don't know if that works, but it is worth a try.
16:38<mangmo>another_guest : if u have some linux , u can use dd command to copy .iso to the usb stick
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16:38<another_guest>i'm really new to this mangmo. :)
16:38<another_guest>but i'll try..
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16:40<bartm>another_guest, an entirely other approach, since you're already using ubuntu, is to boot the installer from hard disk http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch04s04.html
16:40<babilen>Or to use debootstrap :-þ
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16:41<another_guest>ok i'm trying unetbootin one more time.
16:41<kva>hello vuze gives me an error on debian ybstable, it was working fine on 4.3.0.6 version of vuze but something else is broken after dist-uprade
16:41<another_guest>brb.
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16:41<kva>any idea where to check it?
16:41<babilen>kva: In the BTS?
16:42<babilen>kva: You might want to provide more information if you want us to help/provide pointers.
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16:43<kva>Linux debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
16:43<kva>vuze 4.3.0.6
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16:43<kva>normally I do apt-get update and dist-upgrade -t experimental
16:43<kva>normally I do apt-get update and dist-upgrade -t unstable
16:43<kva>not experimental
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16:44<babilen>why do you need the "-t unstable" ? Isn't sid your default release?
16:44<bartm>kva, then don't be surprised that something breaks :)
16:44<kva>java version "1.6.0_18"
16:44<kva>OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.8.3) (6b18-1.8.3-2)
16:44<kva>OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 16.0-b13, mixed mode)
16:44<kva>vuze impossible to bind to a local socket
16:45<kva>that's exactly how google says
16:45<babilen>kva: Have you checked the BTS?
16:46<kva>nope, only googleded upon
16:46<kva>only unstable, let me check sources.list
16:48<kva>updates main and experimental main
16:48<kva>all binary installed
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16:49<babilen>kva: What do you mean with your last 2 statements?
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16:49<bartm>another_guest, well? debian installed? :)
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16:50<kva>babilen: http://paste.debian.net/106173/
16:50<another_guest>babilen, here is my error message: "your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted. this probably means that the CD-ROM was not in the drive. if so you can insert it and try again."
16:50<another_guest>bartm, not yet. :(
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16:51<babilen>another_guest: that was unetbootin+manually copied ISO?
16:51<another_guest>yes.
16:52<mangmo>another_guest,boot from usb?
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16:52<another_guest>the .iso file also was in the usb.
16:52<another_guest>mangmo, yes.
16:52<bartm>another_guest, really, in your case, without cdrom, i'd forget about unetbootin and try the approach of booting the installer from hard disk http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch04s04.html
16:52<babilen>Well, looks as if unetbootin does not work. I would follow "the easy way" in the instlalation guide or just boot the installer from disk as bartm pointed out
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16:52<another_guest>ok.
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16:54<kop_>another_guest: (Always a good idea to read the instructions.)
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16:54<mercutio22>Hey guys. I have a Brazilian abnt keyboard and I can't find a way to set my console correctly. Console-deta only contains br-latin1 and brazilian abnt2. It is neiher
16:54<mercutio22>*neither
16:55<kva>babilen: so any ideas what I can provide you with more than that?
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16:57<babilen>kva: Well .... it is no big surprise that it breaks. I would wait until after the release or try to reproduce the issue in Squeeze. It might just be due to an unfortunate package mix you have on your system now. How many packages from experimental do you have installed?
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16:57<kva>only kernel, but I use that from squeeze
16:57<rtor>Torsten_W: after the upgrade.. my rutorrent dosent work.. :@
16:57<kva>because I needed to try new kernel
16:58<mangmo>another_guest: try to use boot image from Debian Installer Page (boot.img.gz)
16:58<ompaul>kva: so you could restart the box and choose an earlier kernel?
16:58<another_guest>mangmo, how can i do that?
16:58<kva>that's what I am doing, newer versions aren't working for me
16:58<kva>black screen but system boots
16:59<Torsten_W>rtor, that's not my fault
16:59<bartm>another_guest, mangmo is just confusing you :)
16:59<babilen>another_guest: Just follow the installation guide or setup booting the installer from the harddisk (bartm's link)
16:59<bartm>this one http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch04s04.html
16:59<jthomas_sb>I have a Debian webserver that once handled email as well (Exim4 on Lenny); now we're moving this client's email to Google but I'm having issues getting this server to stop seeing itself as the domain for email. Can anyone assist me?
16:59<mangmo>another_guest : on linux use command # zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX
16:59<babilen>or this one: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03
16:59<jhutchins_lt>I didn't know unetbootin had the option of using an existing iso, the one I used just built the whole installer.
16:59<kop_>!tell rtor about doesn't work
17:00<another_guest>ok right there, lol. i don't know what i should do. there are some file names there vmlinuz and initrd.gz
17:00<another_guest>yes, then?
17:00<rtor>Torsten_W: yes it is :@#%#¤&¤&"#¤/"¤/"
17:00<babilen>mangmo: That is all explained in the installation guide. No need to spoon-feed it
17:00<another_guest>mangmo, don't confuse me.
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17:00<bartm>lol
17:00<kop_>!confuse another_guest
17:00<dpkg>No, how is your gerbil yesterday, another_guest? Wellies of the Dictatorship of Belarus with extra ham.
17:01<babilen>rtor: Pardon?
17:01<Torsten_W>rtor, and what have i to do with it?
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17:01<another_guest>babilen, do you have time, can we pvt?
17:01<kop_>rtor upgraded to squeeze and now thinks that because Torsten_W told him to his problems are his fault.
17:01<babilen>pvt?
17:01<another_guest>*private
17:02<babilen>*blush*
17:02<kop_>another_guest: Ask everyone, or if it's offtopic take it to #debian-offtopic.
17:02<babilen>another_guest: Lets just keep it in the channel. Others have good idea and there is no point to do this in PMs
17:02<rtor>yes
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17:02<another_guest>kop_, i'll request him/her individual help to install debian. cause i have no idea about it.
17:03<kop_>another_guest: He may go away at any time. The etiquette here is to keep things public.
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17:03<babilen>another_guest: Just follow the installation guide (one of those two methods ... the boot from hard-disk one sounds enticing) -- If you have questions do not hesitate to ask.
17:03<jhutchins_lt>another_guest: I haven't really been following your saga, but I don't think you've followed the install guide step-by-step.
17:04<another_guest>ok ok.
17:04<kop_>another_guest: Do you have another computer you can use to ask as you go?
17:04<jhutchins_lt>another_guest: The install guide has you create the installer image, then either copy the files from the iso to the usb, or copy the disk image to it.
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17:04<babilen>jhutchins_lt: He/She tried it with unetbootin from Windows and then Ubuntu and it complained about missing CDs -- We try to get another_guest to follow the method outlined in the installation guide
17:04<jhutchins_lt>another_guest: I know it can be confusing to have all these different people chiming in.
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17:05<jhutchins_lt>babilen: When I ran unetbootin on linux it downloaded the image and created the USB without a seperate iso.
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17:09<slept>I am looking for a tool to convert the output of locate to usable file locations , problem is I do have lots of ( whitespaces and even ' in the filenames doing locate |sed s/\(/\\(/g works but I don't wan't to include ever special character in this way. I am quite sure there must be some kind of tool to do that but when I google I mostly find people complainig about whitespaces ... I want to get rid of all of them
17:09<slept>at once
17:09<babilen>jhutchins_lt: I have never used unetbootin and can't comment on it
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17:13<kop_>slept: How about putting a \ before every single character. (I assume you want to use the result in shell. You could just avoid shell and use an exec call in a real language.)
17:13<sret>when you do a dist upgrade everything stays the same or updates are made for all pkg
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17:14<babilen>sret: yes
17:14<sret>which :P
17:14<slept>kop_ yes I do but I do have lots of files with multiple illegal characters would be about 10 k times \ and lots of "'" to put in
17:14<sret>yes it stays the same or ?
17:15<babilen>sret: well, it depends. both are valid outcomes.
17:15<slept>this seems to be a standart problem so I am looking for a script
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17:15<slept>preferably premade ant apt-getable
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17:15<slept>and
17:15<jhutchins_lt>slept: You might find something to "normalize" or "regularize" filenames.
17:15<sret>babilen: ah ok
17:16<kop_>slept: IIRC for that sort of kludge-around you could use the kludgey PHP language. IIRC it has a function that escapes shell commands.
17:17<kop_>slept: You could use that to mung your pathnames.
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17:17<babilen>sret: What do you actually mean by "dist-upgrade" I understood it as referring to "apt-get dist-upgrade" -- correct?
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17:18<sret>babilen: yeah to squeeze
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17:18<sret>i need to read the release notes
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17:19<babilen>sret: Ah, if you upgrade to squeeze (as outlined in the release notes) most packages will be replaced with newer versions. Some might be removed and replaced by others.
17:19<slept>kop_, well I am not feeling I would want to learn php. I am quite sure python would do but it just makes things very complicated
17:21<kop_>slept: There's a way to call php from the command line, sorta like perl -e, and you could probably wack together a very small program. But I understand why you'd want to avoid php.
17:21<kop_>slept: You could use the debtags package to search for something.
17:21<slept>I want the solution to be very general to be usable like : produce_std_out | remove_illegal_characters |command
17:24<slept>especially the ' character makes things complicated , I so do hate what samba does to me
17:24<sret>babilen: oh ok
17:24<sret>babilen: so then what happens to the configs i had done?
17:25<sret>does debian keep them in the newly installed pkgs or i have to redo all over again?
17:25<slept>sret, you will be asked
17:25<sret>if i do keept it, how does it work for an updated pkg? shouldnt matter?
17:26<babilen>sret: You might have to adapt some of the configuration to the new version. Most of them won't be problematic. This is exactly the reason why I suggested to install Squeeze in the first place. But don't despair: Much larger systems than yours have survived an upgrade from one release to another
17:27<babilen>sret: I guess it'll be pretty straighforward.
17:27<sret>well as of now i have exim and evolution configured, if these are updated, it'll carry forward the confg right?
17:28<sret>ok
17:29<babilen>sure -- I guess you won't have problems with either of them. Evolution might say something like: "UUUUUUHHH, I realised that you updated me to version 2.4.5.6.7 -- I have to adapt your configuration to the new versions, do you want me to proceed? <Y> <N>"
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17:29<slept>sret you might miss comments and new options and so on. the configs which are changed are all in /etc so it's only exim
17:29<babilen>exactly ^^^^
17:30<sret>ok
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17:31<Spawnalex>hi
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17:32<Spawnalex>I looking for help please
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17:32<qwd>!ask
17:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:32<Spawnalex>in shorewall and squi
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17:33<Spawnalex>can't open ports 25,26 and 110
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17:35<Spawnalex>I need to open ports 25,26,110 in shorewall and squid, debian lenny
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17:37<slept>I think I almost got it by putting ' ' round the filename, but ' is still giving me trouble . How to sed ' away ?
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17:41<cthuluh>slept: tr -d "'"
17:41<cthuluh>or sed "s/'//g"
17:42<cthuluh>there's a ##sed channel on freenode, btw
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17:42<slept>cthuluh, i need it to be changed from ' to "'"
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17:44<cthuluh>slush: will giving you the answer help you or should you learn how to quote the parameters you pass to commands?
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17:50<slush>cthuluh: ey!
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17:50<slush>:)
17:50<lillecarl>Everyone, i need a little bit of help killing process names that goes over a specific amount of cpu usage, anyone have a shellscript or something like that? :)
17:51<cthuluh>slush: oh, sorry, was talking to slept :)
17:51<cthuluh>lillecarl: #bash on freenode, but they don't sell scripts
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17:51<lillecarl>Well, aint stuff like that freE? :P
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17:55<slush>lillecarl: man ulimit
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17:56<slush>lillecarl: it costs beer
17:57<lillecarl>well, i dont see how to limit cpu usage in the ulimit, just cpu time, thats diff right? :P
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17:58<Guest2295>Hello
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17:59<another_guest>see you later all.
17:59<another_guest>good night.
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17:59<slush>lillecarl: ahw, I tought it had cpu usage limits too
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18:03<Cyberassassin>o.O theres a debian IRC?!
18:04<Cyberassassin>err Debian IRC Server/Channel
18:04<retrospectacus>true story
18:04<rpetre>cool, let's all go there!
18:05<Cyberassassin>heh
18:05<corvus_corax>!debian irc
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18:05<corvus_corax>!debian
18:05<dpkg>methinks debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
18:09<Guest2295>is there a Truecrypt IRC channel?
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18:11<qwd>Guest2295: Google it.
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18:11<Guest2295>Didn't find any.
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18:12<babilen>Guest2295: there is a (small) #truecrypt on freenode -- you might want to check some websites like searchirc though
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18:13<Cyberassassin>your google-foo is weak young one
18:14<Guest2295>Thanks babilen, I'll check it out.
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18:15<Guest2295>My question is basically how the TC pre-boot authentication boot loader manages to encrypt the disk without installing a driver in the OS (int13h hook? - but how?)
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18:56<chibapet>Hey all. Anyone have experience with new Dell laptops? I've got a Latitude E6510 which ought to use the e1000e driver, but selecting that's not letting the installer see a network card. I'm trying with Testing from about a month ago. Kernel 2.6.26 if I remember correctly.
18:56<mjt>2.6.26??
18:56<mjt>that's lenny
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18:57<chibapet>Ah, hm. I might have muffed the download. I'll get a fresh one.
18:57<mjt>current kernel is 2.6.32 (in squeeze/testing)
18:58<chibapet>kk
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18:58<chibapet>I wonder if that'll do it. Fedora 14 with 2.6.35 sees the network. OpenSUSE with... something not as new as Fedora didn't see the network.
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18:59<chibapet>Fedora, of course, then barfed on trying to edit the partition table.
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19:00<mjt>anyone know if there's a gdm (or any other *dm) theme or somesuch that will present a list of available users like winXP logon screen does, without a need to actually type in usernames -- to simplify login greatly (so that e.g. up and down arrow keys will choose different user and only password has to be entered)?
19:00<chibapet>I think that's how KDM works by default.
19:00<chibapet>I'd be a little surprised if GDM couldn't be coaxed into it, but I'm not sure.
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19:01<mjt>gdm has something close, with a list of "portraits", but the keybinding is quite.. strange (but stuff can be selected with mouse)
19:02<mjt>"happygnome-list" theme
19:05<chibapet>I hope this new installer has the right combination of mojo.
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19:05<chibapet>I really don't want to be running something else.
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19:10<chibapet>Nice. It sees the Intel 82577LM and configures it.
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19:12<chibapet>Trying a resize.
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19:12<chibapet>Progress bar not moving, nothing on the alt-F4 console. Worry ensues. :P
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19:14<chibapet>Disk activity light's going. I guess I'll go have dinner. Thanks for the help, mjt - I don't have to jump ship after all it seems.
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19:15<charly300>ola disculpen
19:15<tash>!es
19:15<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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19:18<blarson>It has come to my attention that someone is using pictures from my web site in a fraudulent ad. Is it possible to block access or do a redirect based on referer. (lenny version of apache2)
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19:21<ComradeHaz`>Hi all, using this guide http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/PXELINUX but I am having trouble. Section in question is "Can I send information to PXELINUX via special options in the DHCP response?" I have configured my DHCP server as described first in that section, but I am getting config file not found errors. Obviously I have looked into how I specify the config file carefully and am now...
19:21<ComradeHaz`>out of ideas. Is there anyone around who can help me troubleshoot this?
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19:26<adb>http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s05.html
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19:27<ComradeHaz`>o.O
19:27<ComradeHaz`>adb, aren't you a bot?
19:27<ComradeHaz`>:D
19:28<ComradeHaz`>If not, is there anything in particular you are trying to draw my attention to?!
19:28<witte>blarson: maybe check a web development irc channel? don't know whether it would be debian/server specific
19:29<ComradeHaz`>!whois adb
19:29<adb>ComradeHaz`, my link seems much simpler for pxe settings
19:29<ComradeHaz`>Oh, you are real! :D
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19:30<ComradeHaz`>yeah, adb, it is, but I need an additional layer of complexity as I have multiple tftpboot's I want to use.
19:31<citizen666>hello somone already got this problem : iam trying to install lenny on an recent imac i have blanked the harddrive then make my partition i install lenny then reboot time, on eboot i got only the folder with the ? in the middle he seem to not find any bootable device ??
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19:33<citizen666>it's not the first time i install linux on this machine
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19:34<adb>ComradeHaz`, just add a new client_A to dhcpd to use other filename "/tftpboot_A.img
19:34<ComradeHaz`>but what about the config file?
19:34<ComradeHaz`>it's not as simple as that, I fear.
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19:35<ComradeHaz`>I am clearly very close
19:35<adb>meant a tftpboot_A.img?
19:35<ComradeHaz`>Yeah
19:35<ComradeHaz`>Different everything
19:35<ComradeHaz`>It's almost certainly a syntax error I have somewhere
19:36<ComradeHaz`>just a case of working out how to track it down
19:38<ComradeHaz`>client reports "TFTP prefiz: /srv/netboot/tftpboot" which is correct
19:38<ComradeHaz`>*prefix
19:38<ComradeHaz`>but then says it can't see the configurations file :/
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19:39<ComradeHaz`>having a . in the config directories name isn't a problem, is it?
19:40<adb>a . means it source an folder
19:40<adb>so it's important
19:40<ComradeHaz`>option pxelinux.configfile "pxelinux.cfg/default";
19:40<ComradeHaz`>would that work or break?
19:40<adb>seems ok
19:41<adb>see http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/pxelinux.cfg/
19:41<ComradeHaz`>option pxelinux.configfile "pxelinux.cfg/default";
19:41<ComradeHaz`>specifically
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19:41<ComradeHaz`>yeah, I think that's the default configuration
19:42<ComradeHaz`>if, for example, you look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DisklessUbuntuHowto , the location of the config file is not specified anywhere
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19:42<ComradeHaz`>so it must assume a default.
19:42<tharkun>,versions postgresql
19:42<judd>Package postgresql on i386 -- etch: 7.5.22; etch-backports: 8.3.9-0lenny1~bpo40+1; lenny-security: 8.3.12-0lenny1; lenny: 8.3.13-0lenny1; squeeze: 8.4.5-0squeeze2; sid: 8.4.5-1; lenny-backports: 8.4.5-2~bpo50+1; sid: 8.4.6-1; sid: 9.0.1-1; sid: 9.0.2-1
19:43<tharkun>ok so on sid what we have 3 versions?
19:44<retrospectacus>tharkun: yes, you may do: apt-get install postgresql-8.4
19:44<retrospectacus>or you can do: apt-get install postgresql-9.0
19:44<adb>anyways sid isn't for production ( as in postgresql)
19:44<themill>yes, that can happen especially for arch:all packages
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19:45<retrospectacus>I am showing 8.4.6-1 and 9.0.2-1 available in sid. Not sure where 9.0.1 is coming from
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19:45<dvs>retrospectacus: could be a new version.
19:46<tharkun>Interesting according to #postgresql Updates 9.0.3, 8.4.7, 8.3.14 and 8.2.20 out soon
19:46<dvs>yup, it's a new version
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19:49<retrospectacus>seems odd that lenny has newer version than lenny-security?
19:49<tharkun>Gentlemen i need to test some "scripts" on that new piece of postgres. Gentlemen can someon recomend me a safe way
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19:50<tharkun>As allways it will eventually go into production but i want to have all test concievable done before that
19:50<themill>retrospectacus: 9.0.1 is from some architecture that's lagging for some reason (hurd-i386 in this case)
19:50<retrospectacus>aah gotcha
19:50<tharkun>themill: does that information is also handed out by judd?
19:51<themill>retrospectacus: packages can be added to stable via stable-proposed-updates hence not go via stable-security; outdated packages on security are currently dealt with by hand.
19:51<retrospectacus>tharkun: yes you can tell judd to filter: --arch=amd64 e.g.
19:52<themill>tharkun: UDD's handling of arch:all packages doesn't really match up well with the new arch:all handling by ftp-master.
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19:52<tharkun>thanks for the prompt answers
19:52<themill>retrospectacus, tharkum: you can filter judd like that normally, except that arch:all is always included in --arch output
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19:53<themill>UDD doesn't currently record where an arch:all package came from; until recently, all archs had the same arch:all packages (but this is no longer the case)
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19:54<retrospectacus>what is the point of arch:all ?
19:54*tharkun thinks that themill has something to do with judd's maintenance
19:54<tharkun>all architectures?
19:54<Arrowmaster>the same binary package can be install on all architectures
19:55<themill>retrospectacus: architecture independent stuff. scripts, data, images, documentation, etc so that only one copy is needed in the archive for all archs
19:55<tharkun>Arrowmaster: i don't think it referes to binaries, as themill allready stated. Doesn't sound right
19:55<retrospectacus>I see I see... so what does it mean "where an arch:all package came from"?
19:56<Arrowmaster>tharkun: binary package just means the final .deb, it doesnt actually have to contain any binary files
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19:57<themill>Up until recently, all architectures had the same entries for arch:all packages in their Packages files in the repo. Now, each arch has the arch:all bits made separately so the Packages file for each architecture can end up with different arch:all packages.
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19:58<themill>(neither judd nor udd can tell me where that postgresql 9.0.1 package came from... but zgrep put it in binary-hurd-i386/Packages.gz)
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21:44<kop_>Where do I rtfm about how to change revison numbers if I recomple a debian source package and frob the compliation options? The Debian policy manual's revison number section does not really help as to what's good practice.
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21:44<kop_>I would want to do something to flag the package as my own monstrosity.
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21:48<blarson>kop_: Append "+whatever" to the debian version number.
21:49<blarson>You'll also need to put the package on hold if you don't want the next debian version.
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21:53<kop_>blarson: Thanks. (That was my next question. :)
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21:57<citizen666>when squeeze will be release if iam already on squeeze will i have to reinstall or only to do a full-upgrade ?
21:58<Nemoder_>citizen666: there will likely only be a few minor updates you can do through aptitude
21:59<citizen666>ok thank you :)
21:59<Nemoder_>or a few major ones depending how long ago you installed heh
21:59<citizen666>yesterday ;)
21:59<citizen666>upgraded from a fresh lenny
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22:01<blarson>citizen666: when it's ready, and just aptitude update && aptitude upgrade
22:01<citizen666>quite easy :)
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22:21<kop_>blarson: (aptitude safe-upgrade)
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23:19<zlatan>hi to all..does anyone of you run an experimental Debian?
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23:52<cpatrick08>i am running kde from the rc2 of squeeze and i cant find a packagemanager is there one in squeeze or could somebody reccommend one to download
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23:57<amphi>cpatrick08: aptitude in a terminal ?
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23:59<cpatrick08>ok thanks
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