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---Logopened Tue Feb 01 00:00:40 2011
00:00<cpatrick08>is there a gui based one i could use
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00:01<cpatrick08>not that aptitude would not work i just lkie gui based apps better
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00:50<clear>Xsane scans once normal, trying to scan a second time an error occurs: Invalid argument. If you want to scan a 100-sheet for every sheet has to run xsane 100 times. How is it treated?
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01:04<clear>allo ))
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01:09<remmy>Hi all. After upgrading squeeze yesterday, the backlight on my netbook is off in X. Any suggestions on where I should look?
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01:09<clear>Xsane scans once normal, trying to scan a second time an error occurs: Invalid argument. If you want to scan a 100-sheet for every sheet has to run xsane 100 times. How is it treated? scanner canoscan lide 60
01:09<remmy>The bios splash screen and text console boot show up bright, so the backlight is working still.
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01:14<kop_>clear: Squeeze? Report a bug.
01:15<kop_>remmy: Start with the Xlog.
01:15<kop_>clear: That way it'll get fixed.
01:16<clear>lenny 5.0
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01:19<remmy>kop_, ok, looking at Xorg.0.log... anything in specific I need to look for?
01:19<clear>Same problem with the scanner canoscanlide 60 on distributions gentoo, altlinux, debian, ubuntu. Linux platform may generally poorly supports this scanner?
01:21<clear>"Unable to open '(Null)' Invalid email. "
01:21<clear>Then, the following error climbs:
01:21<clear>"Unable to initialize the scan. Reached end of file. "
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01:22<cahoot>usb scanner? If that's the case I'd find its usbid and turn to google
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01:30<yoshi>is there any reason why debian recovery mode doesn't have an internet connection?
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01:40<clear>USB skanner.I already in several forums threads created about this scanner. But nobody knows anything, really. And so I was searching on the forums, the result is zero. The only interesting moment at the forums to talk about what you can try to get the scanner driver PS1fw.usb and copy / usr/share/sane/gt68xx /
01:40<clear>But where to take it? the driver disk from the scanner no.
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01:52<napoleon>hi, iam trying to install GRUB2, i get the following error -, i have tried reading up on this, theres something about the first 64 sectors of a harddisk having to be left blank for GRUB2 to!
01:53<napoleon>here :
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02:21<geoffr>Morning all, does anyone have kpasswd working over NAT? I am using MIT Kerberos 1.6 on Debian Lenny with Ubuntu 10.10 clients (krb5-user)
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02:22<geoffr>ATM I get" Server error: Failed decrypting request" and the end of entering the new password twice. I have found an option extra_addresses which lets you specify additional addresses to be included in the ticket (the ext NAT addr) but I'm not sure if this is available in the pretty old version of kerb in Lenny
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03:47<remmy>Go take a hike spammer
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04:24<prem>is there any option to install debian with encrypted lvm without formattign the whole disk
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04:24<prem>like installing only in the available freespace..?
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04:29<vtts>prem, do you have free unpartitioned space?
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04:29<prem>yes vtts
04:30<prem>but still the install process shows me only two options for lvm "entire disk lvm" and "entire disk encrypted lvm"
04:30<prem>no option to do it in free space vtts ..?
04:31<kva>hello all, compare two images please - this one and original one
04:31<kva>first one is my linux and second one is yours
04:32<kva>see any differences?
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04:34<JaunDosSantos>I changed to rpc.lockd ports to handle it with a firewall, I add "options lockd nlm_udpport=4003 nlm_tcpport=4003" to /etc/modules
04:35<vtts>prem, try creating a new partition and set its type as lvm
04:35<JaunDosSantos>After a reboot the lockd ports are still random...what's wrong? The lockd module is not static in the kernel
04:35<JaunDosSantos>I am using Debian 5
04:35<prem>vtts, i want to do it during installtion it possible
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04:36<vtts>it should be possible using manual partition
04:36<vtts>partitioning i.e.
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04:37<prem>vtts, but the squeeze lists lvm with "entire disk" option only..anyway i will check it again
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05:01<vtts>prem, it is definitely possible to create an encrypted partition during install using "manual" partitioning, e.g.
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05:02<prem>vtts, yeah i just noticed ., but i dont know how to configure and create it manually..any good tutorial is there.
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05:03<prem>all the tutorials i referred deals with creating lvm from a existing partition.,not with the installation process
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05:05<vtts>prem, 1. create partition and set its "use as" to *lvm*, 2. create volume group and a volume in that group, 3. create encrypted partition using the volume, 4. use the encrypted volume for system install
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05:06<prem>vtts, i wonder is it possible to preseed all these steps during installation ..?
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05:09<vtts>prem, it should be possible, but I am not 100% sure, since i have not tried to partition using preseed.cfg
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05:13<prem>vtts, because i need to do this encrypted lvm in many machines and it will be good if it can be preseeded
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05:20<and1bm>hi, isn't it possible to add options (like 'exclude=0x...,....') to the debian-installer anymore (I'm trying rc2)?
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05:24<Cozminsky>so everyone is uploading to unstable crazily again
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05:45<ayaka>happy new years!does anyone use smplayer?
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05:52<classical>how can i use locate to search in a specific directory only ? /home for example
05:53<petemc>use find
05:53<nadir>locate | grep /home/my_name
05:53<classical>petemc, find need lot of time
05:53<ayaka>happy new years!does anyone use smplayer?
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05:53<nadir>a workaround, sure.
05:54<ayaka>nadir, I think before this,should make a db
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05:58<ayaka>who have used smplaer?
05:59<ayaka>who have used smplayer?
05:59<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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05:59<ayaka>mjt, you know why ask this way?
06:00<mjt>ask your real question as dpkg suggested. i don't understand what you're asking me.
06:00<ayaka>mjt,because someone help then fail then said I haven't use smplayer,so no idea.
06:00<ayaka>mjt,have you used smplayer?
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06:01<mjt>.ignore ayaka
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06:04<ayaka>in gnome with compiz,the smplayer when switch next file and pause will concuss
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06:05<Cozminsky>smplayer is some kinda of wrapper around mplayer?
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06:08<ayaka>CompWizrd, may be
06:08<nadir>Description: complete front-end for MPlayer
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06:15<ayaka>but how to solve this more inportant
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06:33<morphium>hi, where can i find older debian packages (i need php5-memcache 3.0.4-2 - 3.0.4-4 is the current version in squeeze) - the source would be enough, but i cant even find the patches between the versions
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06:34<jm_>morphium: check the snapshot page
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06:35<morphium>thanks jm
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06:36<morphium>hm, what does +b1 and +b2 mean?
06:37<dpkg>methinks binnmu is binary NMU, which means a package was recompiled without changing the source. this often occours when one of the libraries a package depends on has changed, and it needs to be recompiled against the newer library
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06:58<Eulenspiegel69>could please someone tell me why my apt_preferences file cannot be parsed??
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06:59<themill>Eulenspiegel69: # is not a comment
07:00<themill>(check "man 5 apt_preferences" for how to add comments correctly)
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07:00<Eulenspiegel69>ah got it, thanks
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07:01<Eulenspiegel69>how can I temporarily uncomment some entries?
07:01<Eulenspiegel69>I mean comment some entries?
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07:01<Eulenspiegel69>so that they are temporarily not interpreted
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07:02<themill>You can use /etc/apt/preferences.d for that; only filenames with the wrong extension are ignored.
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07:05<Eulenspiegel69>thanks for the info
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07:09<themill>!es-social Guest2353
07:09<dpkg>Guest2353: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
07:09<Tiff>Eulenspiegel69: you cannot use wildcards in package names either like that.
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07:10<themill>Guest2353: yes, we're all here. Do you have a debian question we can help you with?
07:10<Tiff>babilen: hmm, too bad. Got join/parts off.
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07:45<ayaka>where can download debian doc which package into pdf or txt?]
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07:47<babilen>ayaka: Which documentation do you mean?
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07:48<ayaka>babilen, Securing Debian Manual
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07:51<babilen>ayaka: The package "harden-doc" contains the HTML and a couple of PDFs like, for example, /usr/share/doc/harden-doc/securing-debian-howto.en.pdf.gz
07:51<themill>I have no idea how up to date that document is though.
07:52<babilen>Looks as if the last update to it was in 2007, so yes, pretty outdated.
07:52<themill>,recent harden-doc
07:52<judd>Package harden-doc recent uploads: 3.13.3 2010-08-30, 3.13.2 2010-01-12, 3.13.1 2009-09-11, 3.13 2008-02-11, 3.11 2007-01-12, 3.9 2006-10-12, 3.8 2006-08-18, 3.5 2006-04-01, 3.4 2005-10-20, 3.3 2005-06-19.
07:53<ayaka>babilen, thank you
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07:53<ayaka>which aptitube cmd is same to apt-get source
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07:55<smv>should I be worried if ssh-keygen -b 8192 generates a key in 5 seconds? the system it's quite old and under high load. I was expecting this to take atleast 2-3 minutes. same when generating 4096 gpg keys.
07:56<jm_>ayaka: none AFAIK
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07:56<ayaka>jm_, afaik?
07:57<dpkg>afaik is, like, As Far As I Know
07:58<ayaka>jm_, aptitude source,not such cmd
07:58<macrobat_>ayaka: there is no aptitude source
07:58<jm_>ayaka: yes, I just said aptitude doesn't have this feature AFAIK
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08:00<ayaka>ok,aptitube was write by which language?
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08:01<jm_>ayaka: it depends on a bunch of c++ libs, what do you think?
08:01<valdur55>Elion jätab nakkusohuga arvutid ajutiselt netiühenduseta (71)
08:01<ayaka>macrobat_, jm_ thank you very much
08:01<valdur55>damn wrong chat windows
08:02<Martian67>An IPv4 address space walks into a bar: "A strong CIDR please. I'm exhausted."
08:02<ayaka>jm_, I just think why apt and aptitube is c++,just my habit,I prefer c program
08:02<jm_>ayaka: well each to their own I guess
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08:04<themill>!qotd268 is <reply> <Martian67> An IPv4 address space walks into a bar: "A strong CIDR please. I'm exhausted."
08:04<dpkg>themill: okay
08:04<themill>Martian67: ;)
08:04<ayaka>jm_, ok,because kde is slowly than gnome(I try run it in another tty with gnome),so I hate c++
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08:06<koollman>ayaka: that's a bit stupid
08:07<themill>«You can write fortran in any language»
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08:07<Martian67>you can write gnome in any language too
08:08<ayaka>koollman, why
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08:13<ComradeHaz`>Hi all. Is there anything wrong with the syntax of this dhcp3 entry for pxe booting of the client in question? I get config file not found.
08:13<ComradeHaz`>Using the info on
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08:20<bugger>hi all - i'm on a new lenny installation. my default xorg install has come up with 800x600 as it's top resolution
08:20<bugger>i've tried using xdebconfigurator, and it detects it all properly, but dexconf still creates a very generic xorg.conf, with nothing to enable the 1024x768 mode
08:20<bugger>any suggestions?
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08:25<smv>bugger, what video card?
08:25<bugger>it's an ati chipset, integrated in dell laptopp
08:25<bugger>so using the ati driver
08:26<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, guys, how do I find the NIC type I have as described on this page:
08:26<bugger>have had it running proper res in linux before
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08:29<smv>bugger, with 'ati driver' you mean you are already using fglrx?
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08:29<bugger>err no, i don't even know what fglrx is, just the driver listed in xorg.conf is "ati"
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08:29<smv>!fglrx one-liner lenny
08:29<dpkg>[fglrx pre-built] For Lenny/2.6.26 users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: aptitude -r install fglrx-modules-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm && aticonfig --initial
08:30<jm_>bugger: another option would be to try and upgrade to squeeze
08:30<themill>there might well be something to be said for just upgrading that to squeeze
08:30<bugger>why's that?
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08:31<dpkg>The squeeze release is planned for the weekend of 5th/6th February. . There are still some <release critical> bugs to fix, so help is still welcome. Ask me about <squeeze pool> to see how well people guessed the release date.
08:31<bugger>ah ok
08:31<bugger>alright so i just change apt sources to testing and dist-upgrade?
08:32<dvs>read the release notes
08:33<babilen>!squeeze release notes
08:33<dpkg>A draft of the squeeze release notes can be found at and will be periodically updated as the release notes are finalised. See also and . Also ask me about <i-g>, <install squeeze>, <firmware images>.
08:33<sret>just wondering
08:33<sret>you add iptables rules in a iptables file or something?
08:33<sret>you have to edit a particular file?
08:33<babilen>sret: How was the upgrade? Everyhting running fine now?
08:33<sret>babilen: havent yet, will do maybe tommorrow or something when im prepared:D
08:34<sret>trying to set some iptables options
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08:34<jm_>sret: Debian doesn't have a standard mechanism for iptables rules, there are packages that do this or use iptables-save/iptables-restore
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08:34<babilen>sret: No, you typically configure your firewall. Save the ruleset and restore it whenever an interface if coming up. See
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08:35<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, guys, how do I find the NIC type I have as described on this page:
08:36<sret>ah ok thanks so i was right, you open an editor and edit the iprules file
08:36<sret>so for each rule it has to start with a # comment/
08:36<babilen>sret: No, you set them with the "iptables" command ... A lot of people write little scripts to do that or use front-ends like shorewall though.
08:37<sret>ok im lost, cant iptables work on its own or i need a firewall for it to use my rules?
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08:37<babilen>sret: Huh? iptables *is* what you mean by firewall.
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08:38<babilen>sret: +
08:38<babilen>sret: Why do you need a firewall?
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08:44<sret>babilen: im trying to set rules for different protocols
08:44<sret>yeah i thought iptables was a firewall in itself
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08:45<babilen>sret: iptables is *the* linux firewall. There are no others.
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08:46<sret>so then why do i need shorewall?
08:46<sret>why cant i just edit /iprules
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08:46<babilen>sret: It makes it easier to configure iptables. Some like using a frontend like that, others don't. Matter of taste, style and experience.
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08:47<sret>well i dont mind editing the rules using an editor
08:47<babilen>sret: You can just issue a couple of "iptables ..." commands, save the resultant ruleset and such things.
08:47<sret>but i'll try shorewall and see, is snort and shorewall the same?
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08:48<babilen>snort is a intrusion detection system
08:48<sret>ok snort is an IDS
08:48<sret>and shorewall is a firewall or for configuring netfilter
08:48<babilen>sret: Just read the frozentux tutorial and things will be clearer.
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08:48<sret>let me try that and get back to you:D
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08:53<sret>ok the fronzentux link is giving me a headaache, like they pasted the whole of xorg.conf ^100 and gave you an faq, horrible to read
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08:58<sret>is there anytihng simpler
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08:58<sret>these guys talk like we all know everytihng there is to know about networking
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09:01<babilen>sret: :-D -- There are *lighter* tutorials, but package filtering is about packets. so you have to understand the basics. The Debian wiki links to lighter material and I am sure googling for "iptables for dummies" or "iptables tutorial" yields a few results.
09:01<babilen>sret: What are you trying to achieve?
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09:01<sret>setting a hashlimit
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09:01<sret>basically dos mitigation
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09:02<sret>and blocking ips using hashlimit and of course other rule sets for ICMP and so on
09:02<babilen>well, iptables seems to be a good idea. you might also want to look at fail2ban
09:02<sret>why is in the frozentux document for each ruleset it talks about a partocular kernel?
09:03<babilen>rooobert: Do you have a Debian related question?
09:03<Cozminsky>sret, if it's ddos then it's already too late, unless you're running an upstream router
09:03<babilen>(which sret is most definitel not)
09:03<sret>Cozminsky: ive been through this discussion, sorry not getting into it and i foubd a solution but i know what you're saying
09:04<Cozminsky>sret, you might also need to look at tc for fair queuing
09:04<sret>hashlimit is what i was told to look at
09:05<sret>it can handle dos, ddos to a certain extent, my conenciton is going to drop neverthless i can make blocks on the ips that i suspect are ddosing or dos
09:05<sret>which is where hashlimit comes in but in the docs babilen , why is it for each ruleset they mention a kernel? it works only for certain kernels or something?
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09:05<Cozminsky>sret, it'll help if they're not consuming all your bandwidth, aye
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09:06<sret>Cozminsky: yeah tc should tell me and netstat
09:07<sret>Cozminsky: even if they did, thee's nthing i can do then but i could make sure it doesnt happen from the same ip
09:07<sret>but idont understand the kernel part mentioned in the docs
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09:08<babilen>sret: What are you referring to?
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09:10<babilen>sret: has a bunch of documentation too.
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09:12<sret>hashlimit limits connections or packets per ip and son
09:12<sret>so on
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09:19<Cozminsky>it's all in the iptables man page: -m hashlimit --hashlimit-upto ?/minute --hashlimit-mode srcip --hashlimit-srcmask ?
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09:20<sret>babilen: nice article
09:20<sret>reasonably good
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09:22<babilen>sret: yeah, nice abstract ;)
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09:31<sret> pretty good too
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09:52<sret>wow shorewall in lenny is like so old lol 4.0.15-1
09:52<sret>latest is like 4.4
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09:53<dpkg>[stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>).
09:53<themill>sret: packages do not change like that in Debian stable.
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10:03<ayaka>I can't use print screnn to get my screen,how to?
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10:08<kop_>ayaka: Depends on your desktop. I don't know, but search the desktop's help.
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10:08<ayaka>but it's ok before,I use gnome with compiz
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10:15<sret>themill: oh ok
10:15<sret>yeah but thts like mighty old though for a pkg
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10:26<sret>ok how do i test this for DoS and stuff
10:27<sret>if i want to check my network against DoS how do i test?
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10:35<sret>babilen: there/
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10:38<babilen>sret: (et al -- google yourself)
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10:39<babilen>sret: I am sure you find something in the metasploit toolset as well.
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10:40<babilen>sret: Alternatively: Host a very interesting document on your server and paste the link to reddit, su, /., ...
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10:42<sret>i can do it on myself?
10:42<sret>is that even worth it for testing?
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10:45<babilen>sret: You seem to assess the risk of being the victim of a (D)DoS-attack as being quite high.
10:46<babilen>sret: I would rather look into things like: fail2ban, incinga, snort, ...
10:46<sret>ive got shorewall now
10:47<sret>set up some rules, need to test it, like to see hot dos works or ddos, this ddosim tool once it simulates, how do you shut if off? ever used it?
10:47<Arrowmaster>if you are being DDoS'd, nothing you do on the server is going to have much of an effect on it
10:48<babilen>sret: Do you actually offer any services? You know: A service that is not running can never be attacked. Or just:
10:48<sret>we're past that, im not being ddosed...
10:48<jhutchins_lt>What you CAN do on the server is prevent things like brute force ssh attacks from having a DOS effect by using throttling.
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10:48<sret>babilen: this tool wont work on me because ive got only one linux box here, thats the debian box
10:49<sret>jhutchins_lt: have it in place already
10:49<Arrowmaster>right but just a firewall wont have any effect on mitigating a DDoS
10:49<babilen>sret: Scissors are platform-independent
10:49<sret>and denyhosts
10:51<sret>babilen: i have ssh open and irc and erm thats about it
10:51<sret>xllvnc is only for local machines
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10:57<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, guys, how do I find the NIC type I have as described on this page:
10:57<ComradeHaz`>OOops, sorry.
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10:58<ComradeHaz`>Don't answer that.
10:58<ComradeHaz`>Hi all. Is there anything wrong with the syntax of this dhcp3 entry for pxe booting of the client in question? I get config file not found.
10:58<ComradeHaz`>That's the question I wanted to ask again :)
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10:58<ComradeHaz`>Rather desperate for some assistance on this
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10:58<koollman>ComradeHaz`: /srv/netboot/tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default exists ?
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10:59<koollman>ComradeHaz`: actually, most of these options you define are really optionnal :)
10:59<ComradeHaz`>koollman: yeah, aware of that, but I am trying to make it such that I can serve out 2 totally different boots and roots dependant on client
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11:00<ComradeHaz`>Pretty sure that means I need to get it so that I can point it whatever config file I like
11:00<ComradeHaz`>Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.
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11:00<mjt>ComradeHaz`: check which requests your tftpd receives
11:01<koollman>ComradeHaz`: first, make a simple config that works :)
11:01<koollman>then add complexity, one step at a time
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11:01<ComradeHaz`>koollman: Yeah, I have. I can make it work if I don't specify any nonstandard dhcp options
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11:02<ComradeHaz`>Essentially I have it working to the level of complexity here:
11:02<ComradeHaz`>mjt: how do I establish that?
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11:05<ComradeHaz`>OK, so I get syslog entries: "in.tftpd[3693]: tftp: client does not accept options"
11:05<mjt>verbose logging
11:06<mjt>also you always has strace
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11:06<ComradeHaz`>Not sure about these things
11:06<ComradeHaz`>I'm pretty noob!
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11:06<mjt>i don't remember if tftpd-hpa has verbose mode
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11:07<ComradeHaz`>Um, I have no idea how to start it onther than with it's script
11:07<mjt>strace -f -p pid-of-tftpd-hpa -- that should give you all system calls that process is doing, including all the file opens and such.
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11:10<ComradeHaz`>thanks mjt, trying now
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11:12<ComradeHaz`>[pid 3943] open("/srv/netboot/tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT ( No such file or directory)
11:12<ComradeHaz`>oops, sorry, but that's not right, is it!
11:13<tharkun>Arrowmaster: ok got the idea about the binaries. Sorry for the slow response
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11:32<dominick>Hi! I am trying to connect my laptops in ad-hoc, and I'm following the instructions from debian wiki. here is my /etc/network/interfaces and the error that pops up: Please help.
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11:34<Aleric>With which application can I make a screen shot? I can't find anything :/
11:34<dpkg>To take a screenshot of your current desktop, you can probably just hit the "PrintScreen" key on your keyboard (Gnome and KDE). Alternatives include ksnapshot, gnome-panel-screenshot, the Gimp's "Acquire->Screenshot", "import -window root screenshot.jpg" (imagemagick package), scrot, xwd. For framebuffer consoles, use fbgrab.
11:35<Aleric>pressing "PrintScreen" does not work.
11:36<Aleric>I'm using gnome - so why does pressing that key not work?
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11:37<Aleric>E0x: Unable to locate package gnome-panel-screenshot
11:37<Aleric>bash: gnome-panel-screenshot: command not found
11:37<EmleyMoor>Aleric: You need to add that package, or the one which contains it
11:38<Aleric>Which pacakge?
11:38<Aleric>There is no gnome-panel-screenshot package.
11:38<EmleyMoor>Actually, gnome-utils
11:39<EmleyMoor>gnome-screenshot if you don't want them all
11:39<EmleyMoor>shutter if you want something more fancy
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11:43<dominick>I'm trying to set up a wireless ad-hoc, but I get an 8B06 error in one of the laptops, I don't understand why.
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11:52<sret>babilen: i got a nice iptables rule to handle syn floods and such
11:52<sret>if you want it its yours, a friend of mine made it
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11:52<sret>doesnt use the blacklist strategy
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11:55<Zathras>Hi. Anyone had any success in configuring calender-server (darwin 1.2) on Lenny to OpenLDAP ?
11:55<Zathras>main question is indeed: can it be done?
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11:58<jhutchins_lt2>Zathras: If it can be done on linux, it can be done on Lenny.
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11:59<Zathras>let me rephrase: without compiling and or backporting a zillion packages
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12:00<sney>heh. no one listens to zathras.
12:00<Zathras>I noticed it should be doable, although not very well documented, with version 2.6 or something. However Debian Lenny is ancient and ships with version 1.2
12:01<sney>yeah, it's eol. New stable comes out in 5-6 days.
12:01<sney>judd: versions calendar-server
12:01<judd>Sorry, no package named 'calendar-server' was found in i386.
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12:01<sney>judd: versions calendarserver
12:01<judd>Package calendarserver on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.dfsg-8; sid: 2.4.dfsg-6; squeeze: 2.4.dfsg-6
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12:02<sney>Zathras: so if you install new stable/upgrade, you can try it with 2.4. Don't know if you need lenny due to version restrictions on anything else (php?)
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12:03<Zathras>main production server is running Lenny atm
12:03<Zathras>upgrading can be fun as always
12:04<sney>mmm. make sure you upgrade udev and the kernel first, and use apt-get, and it should be smooth sailing
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12:05<Zathras>done so before on less critical machines
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12:16<Lantizia>Lo is anyone here familiar with the webapps policy, I could use a second opinion on reading between the lines
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12:18<Lantizia>And what is the difference between statically and dynamically interpreted content?! :P
12:18<Lantizia>I'm guessing it means (in an example here) php vs html
12:20<sney>thta would be my understanding as well
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12:23<Lantizia>right think I know how I'm best interpreting this now :P
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12:31<babilen>Lantizia: You might want to discuss specific packaging questions in #debian-mentors. In particular if you are unsure where to place specific files.
12:31<Lantizia>babilen, thanks
12:31<Lantizia>think I've found a good balance though
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13:01<gordon65>in welchen channel muss ich gehen wenn ich probleme hab ?
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13:02<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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13:03<daemonkeeper>Otherwise feel free to ask in English here (Frag auf Englisch hier, wenn du möchtest)
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13:07<citizen666>i got a huge problem with a serv op somone can help ?? he have banned me on chan on this server for thing that happenned on another irc server
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13:08<citizen666>cthuluh make abuse of is op power
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13:09<cthuluh>citizen666: this is off-topic here. if you want to complain, go to #oftc
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13:09<citizen666>i don't care , mas fair ele tour des op pour te dénoncé de ton abus de pouvoir !
13:10<daemonkeeper>And we don't care about your arguments, you are off-topic here
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13:10<cthuluh>citizen666: keep on whining and the only thing you'll get is to be banned from this chan too
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13:11<citizen666>don't care
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13:11*amphi sighs
13:11<citizen666>now sry but i will stop answer i am busy to complain to all op
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13:13<jthomas_sb>I've installed PHPMyAdmin from the repo (Lenny) and I cannot seem to log onto MySQL with PHPMyAdmin. I've set up various accounts and they're allowed from CLI locally and across the network, but login is failing from the website
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13:14<jthomas_sb>I am not even hitting that machine even tho the PHP MyAdmin is on that same box
13:15<cthuluh>login allowed from localhost should be enough, iirc
13:15<daemonkeeper>Perhaps you connect through TCP by default on phpmyadmin, whereas the MySQL shell by default does use unix domain sockets
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13:16<jthomas_sb>wouldn't debian have this worked out to function with its own packages to?
13:16<jthomas_sb>\\tho ?
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13:19<jhutchins_lt>phpmyadmin works fine out of the box on lenny for me.
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13:25<jthomas_sb>and it has for me on other installations. but not on this one. it seems as tho the attempted login isn't even hitting this MySQL server
13:26<citizen666>hello, i have a complain to make against cthuluh he make abuse of his op power. he ban me of #debian-fr for absolutly no reason i was just there. He have done that cause of thing that happenned on another chan in another irc server. that's wat i call abuse of his power cause i have say nothing on this irc server. and speacly on the #debian-fr chan to get that ban. i understand the one i got on the other irc.server aand that is correct b
13:26<citizen666>ut not the ban he does on this server only cause it's me. i need help aout that
13:26<citizen666>thank you
13:26<jhutchins_lt>citizen666: That has nothing to do with debian.
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13:27<jthomas_sb>he is banned on debian-fr just as a result of being banned on an unrelated channel, and that reflects badly on debian-fr, and that isn't related to debian?
13:28<jhutchins_lt>citizen666: #oftc
13:28<jthomas_sb>FYI people, the PHPMyAdmin thing is resolved -- it was only loading my cache or some BS; the login worked fine
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13:37<kva>hello all, compare two images please - this one and original one
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13:37<kva>see any differences? for you?
13:38<kva>first one is my screenshot on debian and second appears normally to others
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13:40<jthomas_sb>first is mostly empty; second is a busy page full of asnnoying anamations
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13:41<babilen>jthomas_sb: I think kva is referring to the way the "rutracker" gid is rendered.
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13:42<babilen>kva: It works without a problem here. Can you reproduce that with different browsers? (Gecko, webkit, ...)
13:42<jthomas_sb>it looks normal to me when i visit the real site; i see it looking incorrect in the screenshot
13:42<babilen>jthomas_sb: yeah, I suspect that is why kva posted the screenshot
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13:45<chand>hi dears
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13:54<kva>it's fine on gecko, but it's like this on iceweasel
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13:55<mauricio_>alguem do brasil?
13:55<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:56<kva>babilen: yes, that's why I posted the screenshot indeed :-) but this error is the best example to show it, some pages have horizontal stripes on them
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14:01<jhutchins_lt>kva: What version of iceweasel?
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14:37<totalizator>hi, how can I install Debian Sarge from a floppy? The installer is searching for the "stable/testing/oldstabble..." structure which is not included in the Any ideas?
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14:39<bartm>totalizator, i'm afraid Sarge is no longer supported. Are you sure you want to install Sarge?
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14:42<totalizator>bartm: yes, I have some really old hardware where I need Sarge; Woody installs without a problem but Sarge has this "new" functionality of "oldstable/stable/testing/unstable"
14:43<daemonkeeper>It has? This is the very same for Woody.
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14:43<jhutchins_lt>totalizator: Maybe it would be smarter to figure out how to get the hardware working in a currently supported release.
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14:44<daemonkeeper>There is nothing bad to install Lenny on "really old" hardware though. Probably you won't be able to run decent desktop environments though.
14:44<bartm>my old 586 runs lenny :)
14:44<rpetre>daemonkeeper: reportedly, 2.6 kernel requires a bit more resources
14:44<totalizator>daemonkeeper: but Woody is not asking about version
14:45<daemonkeeper>rpetre, I agree, same for some userspace daemons you need for Lenny that just didn't exist in $ancient_times. Yet this is not _such_ an impact.
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14:46<rpetre>totalizator: i may talk crap, but i remember that mirror format got changed some time ago and maybe woody was the last one that supported the old one
14:46<totalizator>and Sarge connects to the without a problem but then there is no other options but the mentioned "stable/..."
14:46<rpetre>sorry, i started using debian only on woody, so i don't know about potato days much
14:46<daemonkeeper>rpetre, if this is the reason, Sarge would be supported too.
14:46<totalizator>rpetre: yoy are probably right but what can I do then?
14:46<daemonkeeper>Sarge is Woody's successor
14:46<rpetre>totalizator: what hardware are you using again?
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14:48<rpetre>i'd say chances are that debian stable (lenny this week, squeeze tomorrow) might work in your system and spare you the trouble of "time travel"
14:48<totalizator>heh, it's a 486 DX4 100 mHZ ;)
14:48<rpetre>don't think that installs off archive.d.o are supported
14:48<eof>maybe debootstrap will help?
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14:48<daemonkeeper>Wasn't 686 a requirement for newer releases at some point?
14:49<daemonkeeper>I'm unsure.
14:49<dvs>daemonkeeper: you're right
14:49<rpetre>daemonkeeper: i think on lenny
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14:49<peterS>686? no, 486 is our oldest supported variant of the i386 architecture
14:49<dvs>daemonkeeper: oh wait, it's 486k
14:49<totalizator>jhutchins_lt: like I've said it's a 486 DX4 100 mHZ, 16MB RAM
14:49<peterS>I forget whether we still support 486sx (i.e., without hardware floating point)
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14:50<rpetre>totalizator: you might be better off looking at damn small linux or other distro specifically targeted at really underpowered machines
14:50<daemonkeeper>Or buy an evolutionary faster Pentium Pro for 10$
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14:51<jhutchins_lt>totalizator: pupy is another one targeted at older systems.
14:51<totalizator>rpetre: but why? Debian Woody/Sarge takes about 3 MB RAM upon a start and works flawlessly at 486
14:51<peterS>there may be certain packages that assume access to pentium (586), pentium MMX, or pentium pro (686) functionality. but the base distribution does not.
14:51<jhutchins_lt>totalizator: There WAS a linux legacy project that was specifically targeted at older hardeware, but I can't find it any more.
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14:51<rpetre>totalizator: it also has all the bugs we discovered in this, well, millenium
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14:51<totalizator>the only problem is a floppy installer
14:52<daemonkeeper>totalizator, You have no software support for bugs, flaws, security problems and so on. Please be really sure you want to stick on such an old system
14:52<dvs>yeah, no bootable CDROM or USB.
14:52<rpetre>totalizator: anyway, i *hope* you're doing this as a hobby project :)
14:52<totalizator>daemonkeeper: Sarge is not that old
14:52<rpetre>just to see if you can put debian on it or something
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14:53<ompaul>totalizator: are you going to maintain the whole tree for security?
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14:53<Raux>salut :)
14:53<daemonkeeper>totalizator Too old to be supported by the Security team
14:53<rpetre>totalizator: it's an unsupported version of debian. that's old by any standard :)
14:53<totalizator>rpetre: yep, retrocomputing ftw ;)
14:53*ompaul offers totalizator a bridge to use as his router and to live under
14:53<jhutchins_lt>486 is supported in lenny. 386 was dropped in sarge
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14:54<rpetre>oh well, in that case you might try creating a "proper" archive with stable pointing to sarge
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14:54<rpetre>but the installer should allow you in expert mode to put "sarge" instead of "stable" in url
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14:55<rpetre>oh, also: pxe boot (via etherboot floppy if the hardware doesn't support it)
14:55<totalizator>rpetre: the funny thing is that the floppy installer in Sarge has almost no options
14:55<rpetre>it definitely had the "expert" kernel
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14:55<daemonkeeper>Well, totalizator, if you insist to run on _such_ old hardware you might want consider rpetre's suggestion. Otherwise we could collect you 10-15$ or so for a shiny new Pentium machine or even better!
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14:56<jhutchins_lt>totalizator: There are install floppies for etch...
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14:56<totalizator>rpetre: unfortunately it's a laptop with PCMCIA lan card
14:56<rpetre>daemonkeeper: he already said he's doing it as a challenge, not as a means to an end
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14:56<daemonkeeper>Oh, missed that
14:56<totalizator>jhutchins_lt: but I'm afraid the Etch installer will be no different
14:57<rpetre>totalizator: there was a "magic" netboot floppy that had a pxe loader on it, i used it in woody days
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14:57<daemonkeeper>I'd assume such old hardware won't support PXE.
14:57<totalizator>rpetre: is PCMCIA card capable of PXE?
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14:58<jhutchins_lt>iirc there is a floppy bootloader that will boot from a CD.
14:58<rpetre>totalizator: it was done in software, tftp loader and stuff
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14:58<rpetre>i could look it up for you, but you said you liked retrocomputing, so i'm not ruining your fun :)
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14:59<totalizator>rpetre: ok, I'll try
14:59<bartm>totalizator, does it have a cdrom drive?
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15:00<totalizator>bartm: nope
15:00<rpetre>an ide cdrom is easier to find than a 486 with pcmcia card
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15:00<totalizator>jhutchins_lt: ah, thanks! I've forgot it has floppy image, thanks
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15:01<esalazionehg1>hi guys! i have the internal mic not working on an eeepc 1001px with squeeze and kernel 2.6.37-trunk-686. i already asked on the #debian-eeepc but they can't halp me.. can you?
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15:03<daemonkeeper>You might want to formulate a concrete problem/symptom
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15:04<esalazionehg1>problem: the internal mic of the realtek alc269 in my eeepc 1001px is not working at all
15:04<esalazionehg1>i'm running a squeeze with 2.6.37-trunk-686 kernel, alsa from the squeeze repos, no snd-hda-intel model forced, acpi_osi=Linux boot option
15:05<esalazionehg1>"alsactl retore" says "unknown hardware"
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15:06<esalazionehg1>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
15:06<esalazionehg1> Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 8442
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15:10<jhutchins_lt>esalazionehg1: Quite possibly Asus has not yet supplied specs to the OS community.
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15:11<babatoko>Hi all, Im running again into this issue reported here "" and I block on how to make verbose 2 php-cli scripts spinned by postfix?
15:12<dpkg>[pl] polska -> #debian-pl (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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15:12<esalazionehg1>i read someone get the mic working by suspending/resuming the pc, other used the "snd-hda-intel model=fujitsu", other using hda-verb, etc......for me nothing worked [the only one i haven't tried is the hda-verb one]
15:14<jhutchins_lt>esalazionehg1: Sounds like you already know more about it than the rest of us.
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15:43<markus>Im looking for somone who can take som time and help me compile a system its a lot to do and im so old 29 so I no longer have the streangth :)
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15:44<amphi>what do you mean? someone to shovel coal into your compiler?
15:45<retrospectacus>maybe he has one of those newfangled hand-crank-compilers
15:46<Gathond>real men compile their stuff by hand :)
15:46<markus>im no good :( its suposed to bee easy it says on the forums kinda :)
15:46<Gathond>so he probably needs a few slaves to do the bit crunching:)
15:47<retrospectacus>markus: using debian does not usually involve any compiling
15:47<ompaul>Gathond: real men program in fortran, there are no exceptions
15:47*ompaul gets his hat and coat
15:47<jhutchins_lt>"I can't" means "I don't know enough assembler".
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15:52<kop>ompaul: What are haskell programmers then?
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15:54<ompaul>kop: I objects to that question
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15:55<ompaul>kop: sorry it's a weak link I can't make a strong one
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15:58<markus><amphi> - yes :) vnc -> root -> compile a fresh kernel (preferably with realtime support for alsa) rebot? :) compile a list of shit for blender and realxtend/ basicaly start me of into the world of 3d content serving, and some music production :)
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16:03<troulouliou>hi i want to crypt my root parition ; so i m trying with several tutorial on a virtual machine but without succes ; when i make final reboot i get the message : waiting for root device
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16:04<troulouliou>what are the step to make an initrd + good grub config to make it wotking
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16:06<Torsten_W>troulouliou, u know, that you need an uncrypted /boot partition?
16:06<troulouliou>Torsten_w : yes i have that
16:06<troulouliou>initrd is booting until when it has to mount th root partition
16:07<troulouliou>my crypted partition is configured with lvm cryptsetup ....
16:07<troulouliou>the only point is that i would like to know how to make my initrd and grub conf correctly
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16:17<sret>just wondering
16:17<sret>i added a route add ip reject
16:17<sret>how do i remove it?
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16:22<spadone>does lvm binary in the intiramfs has to be a static binary if the /root filesystem is on lvm?
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16:26<Elena5>Could you had this package to the repos : That's way too cool
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16:31<valdyn>spadone: why are you messing with this when debian should do this automagically?
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16:39<spadone>valdyn, for some reason it doesn't , I did apt-get update on 5 kernels i had installed and upon reboot it couldn't find the /root
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16:39<valdyn>spadone: update?
16:40<valdyn>spadone: what is that supposed to fix when theres no new package available?
16:40<spadone>whoops upgrade
16:40<spadone>not dist-upgrade
16:40<valdyn>spadone: whatever, it doesnt do anything when no new package is available
16:41<spadone>i think apt-get upgrade updated the kernel, and it did an mkinitramfs
16:42<valdyn>spadone: is your / on lvm while you did that?
16:43<spadone>the /boot on ext2 non lvm
16:43<valdyn>spadone: where does booting fail now and how do you boot since its failing?
16:44<spadone>initramfs fails to find/mount the /root, drops into busybox initramfs shell, im using knoppix
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16:45<valdyn>spadone: what does "grep MODULES /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf" give?
16:45<spadone>would that work if i chroot'ed in?
16:46<valdyn>spadone: sure
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16:46<valdyn>spadone: chroot is nearly what is done when you boot a system, when it switches from the initramfs to the "real" root
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16:47<spadone>MODULES: [ most | netboot | dep | list ]
16:47<valdyn>spadone: ok, fine
16:47<isa>Speak english??
16:48<valdyn>spadone: now, somehow i suspect that your fstab and/or your /etc/mtab and/or your /dev or /proc or /sys are not properly setup in that chroot
16:48<retrospectacus>isa, yes please!
16:48<isa>Amss ok
16:48<spadone>i bet /proc is not mounted
16:48<isa>speak spanish??
16:48<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:48<valdyn>spadone: update-initramfs needs some way to figure out what you want to boot from
16:49<isa>I am spanish
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16:49<spadone>would root=UUID of volume group that /root is on work?
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16:50<valdyn>spadone: why arent you using /dev/mapper/whatever ?
16:50<valdyn>spadone: thats what I do, but either should work
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16:50<Isa>are english
16:50<retrospectacus>Isa: still English only here
16:51<spadone>/dev/mapper only has the control file in it when it was failing, no volume groups , the / and swap
16:52<Isa>sabes español??
16:52<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:52<valdyn>spadone: bind mount the /dev from outside the chroot
16:52<Isa>what your name??
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16:52<retrospectacus>Isa: por favor tecleado "/join #debian-es" en la linea de chat.
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16:53<valdyn>spadone: im not sure if update-initramfs should not throw an error
16:53<valdyn>spadone: try running "update-initramfs -kall -c"
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16:54<spadone>yeah it does, it can't find the /boot
16:55<valdyn>spadone: mount it?
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16:56<spadone>should it mounted inside the chroot?
16:56<valdyn>spadone: i have everything including /boot on lvm which is on mdraid, without any extra configuration for the initramfs-tools, so that is why i say this got to work
16:57<valdyn>spadone: yes, in order for mtab to match
16:57<valdyn>spadone: though it may not really be required
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16:59<spadone>hmm i can see it cat/proc/parttions but mount /dev/sda1 /boot produces mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
17:00<valdyn>spadone: ls -l /dev/sda1
17:00<spadone>no such file or dir
17:00<valdyn>spadone: that is why i told you to bind mount /dev from outside the chroot
17:01<valdyn>spadone: mount --bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev
17:02<spadone>that update-initramfs -kall again?
17:03<valdyn>spadone: yes
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17:03<spadone>cannot create:already exists
17:03<valdyn>spadone: you skipped the -c
17:04<spadone>just for brevity in my response
17:04<valdyn>spadone: uh, -u
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17:06<spadone>update-initramfs -kall -c -u
17:06<spadone>update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-486
17:06<spadone>grep: /boot/config-2.6.32-5-486: No such file or directory
17:06<valdyn>spadone: you should reinstall those packages if you installed any while /boot was not mounted
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17:07<spadone>actually i had dismounted /boot, i mounted it and it might have worked now
17:07<spadone>no error messages
17:07<spadone>update-initramfs -kall -c -u -t
17:07<spadone>update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-486
17:08<spadone>it only complained about missing firmware for my network card
17:08<valdyn>spadone: thats ok
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17:09<spadone>a reboot to test it then?
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17:09<valdyn>spadone: is your fstab ok?
17:09<valdyn>spadone: is your grub config ok?
17:09<spadone>UUID=tNmAsQ-zhHP-VWVl-T2w3-MXZU-GIZ8-PRK9lW / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0
17:10<spadone>UUID=LUYi7g-U7Bs-jrSK-mYVV-mZ1b-epBg-OXU5SG none swap sw 0 0
17:10<valdyn>spadone: i cant match those numbers to anything
17:10<valdyn>spadone: so not much use pasting
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17:11<valdyn>spadone: just mount somewhere and you will see if it works and if its the correct filesystem
17:11<spadone>ok sorry, those are the names of the logical volumes
17:11<spadone>should i use /dev/mapper/blahblah-root or something like that
17:11<valdyn>spadone: no, you should use what you are using in the fstab
17:12<valdyn>spadone: for mount that has to be /dev/disk/by-uuid/ i think
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17:13<valdyn>spadone: im not using UUIDs, so i dont know how mount parses this
17:14<nardev>how to start network manager applet? what is the name of that program???
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17:15<retrospectacus>spadone I hope you have another 0 at the end of your / line in fstab there
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17:15<spadone>yes sir, bad copypaste
17:16<nardev>valdyn, thnx
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17:17<spadone>vardyn, thanks for the help, I think I'll test this now
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17:18<sret>that doc confused me pb
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17:46<And1>Anyone could tell me how to autostart dropboxd at startup?
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17:49<edbian>Why are files structured the way they are in linux?
17:50<edbian>the file tree specifically
17:51<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or, or "man hier".
17:51<edbian>sney, thanks
17:53<Drakevr>is there any special tool i got to run after updating things like gcc, perl, python and the like in debian ?
17:53<edbian>These resources are thin on what advantages there are in this structure. Besides a read only /usr for thin clients what other examples of it being beneficial are there?
17:54<sney>Drakevr: no, apt handles all of the update stuff
17:54<sret>ok can somoene take alook at this white paper and tell me if i need to hve INPUT in place of forward for it to work for single host machines
17:54<Drakevr>sney: oh i see thx
17:54<sney>sret why don't you ask in the netfilter channel
17:54<Drakevr>also do i have to do anything special after installing or updating a new webapp ?
17:54<sret>ive created tcpin, dont know how to get to the next step
17:54<sret>sney: i was there, they give you a hard time, they expect you to know everything before you even ask,
17:55<sret>kinda defeats the purpose
17:55<sney>they expect you to read the manual before you ask
17:55<sney>all of this stuff is documented you know
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17:56<sney>yes, it's time consuming. but you'll get a much better understanding of all the stuff you're doing by reading the official docs than you ever will by pestering IRC every time you have a question
17:56<sney>I mean, how do you think we learned? :P
17:56<ompaul>sney: by breaking machines while doing unofficial things
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17:56<Drakevr>by anything special i mean like run any updater or something kind of like gentoo's webapp-config
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17:58<sney>Drakevr: if you installed it through apt, nope. if you installed it by downloading a webapp package from the webapp vendor, then maybe. depends. read the READMEs and test it out. generally you will need to create a database though.
17:58<sney>but debian does not have a special tool for configuring web apps not found in the apt repositories
17:58<Drakevr>sney: nop.. through apt it was
17:58<sret>sney: the docs for it are confusing
17:59<Drakevr>i see thanks again :)
17:59<sney>sret: maybe you're not cut out to be a firewall admin then. or maybe you should find a class somewhere
17:59<sret>i will when i have my initial setup right
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18:00<sret>the same way i playeed with vnc and xorg after i had it setup:D there's time to play after its all set
18:00<sney>but the docs are always confusing if you jump into the middle looking for something specific with no grounding
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18:00<sret>i have a solid ruleset just need some assistance in adapting it for a single machine than for a mls
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18:02<zlatan>hi my debian friends
18:02<zlatan>is anyone using experimental debian or maybe sid?
18:03<sney>lots of people are, but they're always broken so we can't support them in #debian
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18:03<zlatan>I am not..I just want to hear from their experience
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18:05<sney>I haven't used sid in many years, but from memory it's very unpredictable, sometimes everything works great but then apt shits a kitten and you wind up with a bunch of half-installed packages that might even leave you un-bootable
18:05<sney>it can be neat to have all of the new packages but with new comes buggy, and you really have to be very experienced to keep it running
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18:07<sney>I prefer to run testing and get packages from unstable as needed/wanted
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18:09<zlatan>I now run squeeze 64-bit...and it get frozen from time to time..and browsers die almost every few minutes
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18:10<sney>that sounds like there's probably something wrong, squeeze is very close to stable now
18:10<ckbachman>No problems with Squeeze here...
18:10<zlatan>yep...but I had squeeze 32-bit and lenny started about 2 months ago..
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18:11<amphi>zlatan: did you do a memory test?
18:11<amphi>might be worth it - random crashes are often a sign of bad ram
18:12<amphi>I've been running 64bit squeeze here for ages with no such behaviour
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18:12<sney>me too
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18:12<ckbachman>me too
18:12<amphi>zlatan: install memtest86
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18:13<zlatan>amphi:okay :)
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18:14<zlatan>amphi:memtes86 or memtesr86+?
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18:15<amphi>read the description and decide ;)
18:15<zlatan>amphi:decided :)
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18:16<dpkg>...and the peasants rejoiced.
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18:24<spadone>valdyn, woot, it worked, thanks so much again for the help
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18:24<sret>doesnt lenny have xtables-addons?
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18:30<Habstinat>Hi. I'm having a lot of trouble getting my TI-84 Plus Silver Edition to connect to my computer. TiLP seems to be the only program that could do this on Debian, but I get an error when I try to connect. It shows up when I do lsusb though.
18:30<Habstinat>The error is,
18:30<Habstinat>"Msg: Error occured while writing to the device.
18:30<Habstinat>System: Input/output error (errno = 5)
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18:36<sosnix>who can conf DNS in ispcp
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18:37<retrospectacus>do you have a debian question?
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18:38<ckbachman>I'm just hanging around lol.
18:38<sret>will xtables-addons break in lenny?
18:38<sosnix>it is on debian
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18:38<sret>i dont see it in the distro supported list on the netfilter sourceforge download
18:38<sosnix>and i have problem with dns in debian how can i resotre settings dns?
18:38<sret>thoughi have a a more recent kernel that works with it
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18:41<amakusa>I'm running console mode only, does anyone know what to do to have a command executed automatically after user login?
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18:42<ram>hello people.
18:42<ram>so, this is debian. :)
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18:42<abrotman>amakusa: /etc/profile perhaps?
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18:42<planet8>For some reason I have to use these modprobe commands everytime I start my pc otherwise sound isn't working. I have tried adding them to /etc/modules, but how do I add the first line?
18:42<sney>ram: sure is
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18:43<ram>i mean, i am another_guest from yesterday and i'm on my sexy debian now.
18:43<ram>well, i like it. :)
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18:44<ram>but untill the days i get used to have a linux operating system, i need help.
18:44<sney>that's what we're here for
18:44<ram>thank you.
18:45<ram>how can i install firefox on debian? or do i need it? iceweasel is some kind of same with firefox, wha i read about it there.
18:45<sney>though a lot of stuff can also be found on the wiki
18:45<amakusa>abrotman, I don't see how to
18:45<sney>iceweasel *is* firefox with a different name
18:45<abrotman>amakusa: i don't see why it's confusing ?
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18:45<sney>there's some politics behind it, but basically, debian is allowed to package firefox but not call it that. otherwise it's identical. and probably installed already
18:45<ram>so, i don't need a "firefox" name ?
18:46<ram>but if i insist to have firefox, can't i install on the system?
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18:47<timon>there used to be a licence problem with the original firefox logo (the licence did not comply with debian's licence policy)
18:47<gsimmons>planet8: 'echo options snd-intel8x0 ac97_quirk=1 xbox=1 >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf' should be sufficient.
18:47<sney>yeah, you can download it directly from, but any software you install outside of debian's package manager is unsupported, so you're on your own if it breaks
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18:47<bahamat>There was etchnhalf, is there any such thing for lenny?
18:48<ram>well, i dowloaded a tar.gz file but don't know how to install it. :)
18:48<dondelelcaro>bahamat: no, but since we're releasing squeeze fairly soon, it shouldn't matter
18:48<bahamat>dondelelcaro: company policy -- I can't use squeeze yet :-(
18:49<sney>bahamat: well, you could accomplish something similar with heavy use of backports
18:49<sney>newer kernel, some newer apps, etc
18:49<bahamat>sney: I need an installer with a newer kernel
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18:50<dpkg>For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
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18:50<bahamat>sney: thanks, I had found that page but wasn't sure how official/trusted it was
18:50<bahamat>I'll use that then
18:51<sret>will xtables-addons work for debian lenny?
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18:51<sret>everyone it talks about the source pkg in testing and sid
18:51<timon>ram: uncompress it :)
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18:52<planet8>gsimmons, thanks
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18:52<timon>ram: I think there's a command line switch to make tar do the unzipping as well but I forgot, so go for "gunzip" and "tar -xf"
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18:53<sney>add a z
18:53<amphi>tar zxf
18:53<sney>or jxf if it was a .bz2
18:53<ram>well, ok. it's ok for now. and it's pretty late here.
18:53<ram>thank you for help.
18:54<timon>you're welcome :)
18:54<ram>today, it's great to have the "debian"
18:54<timon>thanks for the -z switch :)
18:54<ram>good night
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18:54*timon will go to bed as well
18:55<ckbachman>I've been running Gnome but I just tried KDE 4.4.5 in Squeeze, now I can't make up my mind which one to use lol
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18:56<ckbachman>what do you use amphi?
18:56<ckbachman>XFCE looks nice too...
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18:57<amphi>I've always run standalone window managers rather than DEs - I use xmonad at the moment, before that openbox
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18:58<ckbachman>damn type o
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18:59<ckbachman>I'll install them and take a look see
18:59<amphi>I use xfce4-terminal, though, because it lets me have the tabs down the side
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19:00<amphi>ckbachman: AFAIK, you can use other window managers with gnome and kde; certainly there are people using xmonad with gnome
19:01<ckbachman>that's cool, so I install them and just do xmonad --replace as an example?
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19:02<mycae>Hello; I am looking for the source code for a package that has been removed from the package database (nurbs++); is there somewhere that I can find this?
19:02<mycae>I am after the debianised source, rather than the orig.
19:02<amphi>BTW, can anyone using xfce4-terminal confirm that it fequently (but not always) segfaults on changing gtk theme ?
19:03<amphi>this is on testing
19:03<themill>mycae: /msg dpkg sdo
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19:04<mycae>themill: Did not know about that. Cheers.
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19:05<Habstinat>Quick question: Where are the kernel headers located in Debian? They don't appear to be in /usr/src/linux.
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19:06<mycae>amphi: works for me; 0.4.3-1
19:06<cthuluh>Habstinat: probably /usr/src/linux-headers-bla
19:06<mycae>using settings->window manager, then flipping through the themes
19:07<amphi>mycae: I have 0.4.5 here
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19:07<Habstinat>cthuluh: Nope. Nothing interesting for me in /usr/src.
19:07<amphi>mycae: but thanks for testing
19:09<mycae>still fine.
19:11<amphi>mycae: you can't make it crash switching themes?
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19:11<Arrowmaster>Habstinat: did you install them?
19:11<mycae>Im not fully up to date though.
19:11<mycae>but running 0.4.5-1
19:13<amphi>I'll see if it's a broken theme, perhaps - it still should not crash
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19:22<sret>if i was doing an upgrade now to squeeze how long does it usually take?
19:23<abrotman>depends on the number of packages .. and a few other parameters
19:23<sret>ok what should i start with to upgrade
19:24<abrotman>!tell sret about lenny->squeeze
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19:28<marcot>Hi. I am writing a script to run in some machines, and I need them to send a string to a server. I thought about e-mail, but sendmail is not configured on them. I thought about creating a web system to receive it as POST, but maybe there is a simpler alternative.
19:29<marcot>What do you think?
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19:29<sret>i dont get the part where it says remove volatile and backports, i should remove those/
19:30<sret>or it means everyhitng in my sources.list should be changed from lenny to squeeze?
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19:31<mycae>marcot: just use SSH?
19:32<marcot>mycae: The problem with ssh is the password. I don't want to give the users (which will run the script) a password for a user in the server.
19:32<mycae>use a key.
19:32<abrotman>use keys
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19:32<mycae>or lock the SSH with something like sftp.
19:33<marcot>Let me give more details. This string that I want to get from them is exactly the public key from ssh-agent: .ssh/
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19:34<marcot>So that they can access ssh without password from then on.
19:35<sret>is that right what i said?
19:35<mycae>well, you will need to configure some listener on the server. Or have the server poll a mapped directory for a file that it can use.
19:35<mycae>but either is pretty open to abuse.
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19:36<retrospectacus>sret: remove lines that say volatile or backports, change lenny or stable to squeeze
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19:37<marcot>mycae: Yes, I think I'll use HTTP post then
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19:38<sret>retrospectacus: ive got about 2 lines of volatile nonccontrib free and 1 backports
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19:39<sret>te rest is the mirror site columbia and changed both of those to squeeze/updates and squeeze main contribe non-free
19:41<sret>i thought when you upgrade to squeeze we need to use apt-get right?
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19:41<abrotman>read what the bot told you
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19:42<sret>i read, im not sure if its a step by step
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19:43<sret> this says to first install the kernel and they use aptitude here
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19:44<abrotman>if it's a fresh install, that'll bve fine
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19:45<sret>yeah fresh install
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19:45<sret>well i have some pkgs that i installed
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19:46<AlabamaHit>Just installed Debian, but my vidoe is all messed up lol... How would I install a video driver...I guess that is what is missing...I have been looking on google for bout an hour now and haven't found any help.
19:46<sret>so i do an apt-get update now and then" apt-get linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 " ?
19:47<sret>install linux-image**
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19:48<abrotman>AlabamaHit: what is your video device?
19:48<sret>abrotman: is that right?
19:49<AlabamaHit>Resolution is off, and I have dual monitors and only one is working. I think it is a driver issue. I have a GTX 250
19:50<AlabamaHit>I'm on x64 if that matters.
19:50<abrotman>AlabamaHit: uname -r
19:51<AlabamaHit>abrotman, 2.6.26-2-amd64
19:52<sret>in the link i pasted he says not to do a full aptitude upgrade
19:52<sret>in which case after installing the linux image what do i do?
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19:53<dvs>sret: installing squeeze?
19:53<sret>dvs: yeah
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19:53<dvs>sret: install udev
19:53<sret>first install udev?
19:54<sret>or after i install the linuux image?
19:54<dvs>yes, afterv the kernel
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19:55<sret>dvs: for everything i use apt-get right
19:56<dvs>sret: yes
19:57<themill>sret: you'd do better to read and follow the release notes instead of some random document that you found on the web that is 6 months out of date.
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19:57<sret>kok apt-get update done
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20:05<sret>sigh it recommends i get out of my desktop entirely before i do a upgrade
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20:05<dvs>good idea
20:06<sret>lil late for that
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20:06<sret>im installing the linux image now and i got a message saying some firmware files were missing, didnt say that when i installed lenny though
20:07<sret>is it advisable to shutoff gdm at this point and upgrade from vt1?
20:07<sret>will it make a difference
20:07<sret>next step is installing udev which is why im asking
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20:08<dvs>i'd shut it off
20:08<ayaka>how to make terminal full of colour,different type show different colour
20:08<AlabamaHit>Just installed Debian, but my vidoe is all messed up lol... How would I install a video driver...I guess that is what is missing...I have been looking on google for bout an hour now and haven't found any help.
20:08<Arrowmaster>messed up how exactly
20:08<AlabamaHit>Resolution is off, and I have dual monitors and only one is working. I think it is a driver issue. I have a GTX 250
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20:09<Arrowmaster>shouldnt have anything to do with driers
20:09<nl>Lots of troubleshooting steps contained in there ... like commands to see if you're using "nvidia" and if you have 3d acceleration etc
20:10<AlabamaHit>nl, i have looked there.
20:10<AlabamaHit>it don't work
20:10<AlabamaHit>E: Package xserver-xfree86 has no installation candidate
20:10<AlabamaHit>get errors and such like that when doing that
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20:11<Arrowmaster>where does it say to install xserver-xfree86?
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20:12<retrospectacus>yeah don't do that :|
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20:12<AlabamaHit>i was just going by what wiki said..i'm trying that exact link he sent.
20:12<AlabamaHit>it was a different method than what i found earlier
20:13<Arrowmaster>well that one must have been many years old
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20:15<sret>it asks me to configure libc6, services to restart for gnu libc library upgrade: gdm openbsd-inetd exim4 cups cron ?
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20:15<prahal_>I seem to have found 1 and a half criticals bugs in update-inetd and it depends on . Ie in wakeup_inetd check in /rpoc the name of the program with the pid of /var/run/ with an exact match on (inetd) while inetutils-inetd is (inetutils-inetd)
20:16<dvs>while doing what?
20:16<prahal_>this kills kitten ie krb5-kdc install
20:16<sret>dvs it was installing udev and it brought up a window to configure libc6
20:17<sret>and it says in there services to restart for gnu libc library upgrade: gdm openbsd-inetd exim4 cups cron ?
20:17<sret>click ok?
20:17<sret>ok it restarted gdm
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20:17<sret>shouldnt i be reboorting the system at this point?
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20:18<sret>holy shit the old kernel is still there in grub
20:18<sret>there's like 4 of them now
20:19<dvs>sret: so? as long as the new one is the default
20:19<prahal_>sret, it better be if it is the one that you are running
20:19<sret>ok its brought me back to gdm, kill it and do a apt-get dist upgrade from vt1?
20:20<sret>get an error, dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run dpkg --configure -a" to correct the problem
20:21<dvs>so run it
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20:23<sret>ok done got two errors or warnings, not sure W: possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rt18168d-1.fw for module r89
20:24<gsimmons>dpkg: tell sret -about rtl8168d
20:24<sret>ok its supported
20:25<sret>thats it? ihave to restart the machine or just restart gdm?
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20:25<prahal_>sret, modprobe -r r89;modprobe r89
20:25<prahal_>as root or via sudo
20:26<sret>moduler89 not found
20:27<sret>what do i do from here?
20:27<sret>restart gdm?
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20:28<sret>im done with the installation i believe, still at vt1
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20:29<dvs>you ran "apt-get install dist-upgrade"?
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20:29<dvs>and it finished?
20:29<dvs>then it's done.
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20:29<sret>restart gdm then?
20:29<dvs>i'd restart the whole thing just in case.
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20:31<sret>ok there's no internet, wtf
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20:32<sret>why is ther eno internet??
20:32<sret>because of the r89 module failure?
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20:33<sret>hi babilen im on squeeze
20:33<dvs>yes, what is the name of that firmware file?
20:34<sret>Firmware patches (rtl8168d-1.fw, rtl8168d-2.fw) for use with linux-2.6 2.6.32-20
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20:35<dvs>you need the firmware-realtek package
20:36<sret>how am i supposed to install it if there's no connection, download the pkg to windows and run it in debian?
20:36<sret>friggin weird
20:36<sret>all this because i removed volatile, it should've updated the firmware then and there shouldnt it
20:36*dvs knew that separating the firmware from the kernel would be a hassle
20:37<dvs>sret: The RealTek firmware package is a non-free package.
20:37<dvs>no, non-free
20:37<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see
20:37<sret>where do i download it from
20:37<babilen>sret: No backports for squeeze (yet)
20:38<bahamat>what's the command that shows me which repo a package is coming from?
20:38<sret>knew it something like this would hapen
20:38<babilen>sret: Presumably
20:38<sret>whic is why i wanted to wait
20:38<dvs>bahamat: apt-cache policy
20:38<dvs>sret: even if you waited, it still would have happened.
20:38<sret>can i download the firmware now or no?
20:39<sret>ok cool
20:39<babilen>sret: I stepped in quite late into the discussion, but I don't think that waiting would have changed anything.
20:39<sret>im getting no results in
20:39<sret>this is for testing isnt it?
20:40<dvs>it is a non-free testing package
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20:41<wcq222_> Good morning
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20:42<sret> right?
20:43<sret>ok i just need to copy this and run it in debian? its a .deb file
20:48<babilen>sret: No, you don't "run" it, but install it with "dpkg -i firmware-realtek*.deb"
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20:58<sret>im getting errors
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20:59<sret>error processing firmware-realtek_0.28_all.deb (--install) cannot access archive: no such file or directory
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21:00<dvs>no idea
21:01<sret>you just burn the file to the disc right? thats what i did and do a "dpkg -i firmware-realtek_0.28_all.deb"
21:01<sret>or i have to give a path or something
21:02<dvs>why would you burn it to a disc? Just transfer it via USB flash or something
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21:02<sret>ddidnt have a usb flash here soo
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21:03<gsimmons>dvs: You need to specify the full path to the archive if it is not in your present working directory.
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21:03<sret>isnt it dpkg --i?
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21:03<abrotman>just -i
21:04<dvs>dpkg -i firmware-realtek_0.28_all.deb
21:04*dpkg installs firmware-realtek_0.28_all.deb into dvs's head with a bone saw and a few screws
21:04<dvs>good thing there's a lot of empty space there.
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21:05<sret>ooh yeah full path
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21:05<babilen>oh yeah ... :)
21:05<sret>ok installed, reboot system now for it to work?
21:05<babilen>sret: No, just relo .... ah well. Just reboot. :)
21:07<ckbachman>Debian Squeeze was so easy to get going and works a lot better than Ubuntu. Why couldn't I have started with Debian instead of it?
21:07<ckbachman>Did a lot of you start with Ubuntu or Debian?
21:07<sret>nope no internet
21:07<babilen>ckbachman: Ubuntu wasn't around when I started.
21:07<babilen>ckbachman: But that is a bit offtopic ...
21:08<ckbachman>yeah I know sorry
21:08<ckbachman>Just glad Squeeze is working so well
21:08<babilen>dvs, sret: Which module is responsible?
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21:08<saesfgh>Hi :]
21:08<saesfgh> ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia
21:09<saesfgh>00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40)
21:09<sret>if i click the network icon it says no network devices are found
21:09<saesfgh>I need soud ;]
21:09<dvs>babilen: which modules is responsible for what?
21:10<babilen>dvs: For srets NIC -- I thought you might have figured that out earlier.
21:10<dvs>babilen: I thought it was r8169
21:11<babilen>saesfgh: Please paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i audio"
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21:11<sret>i did a ifdown if up and still nothing
21:11<saesfgh>i just did
21:11<saesfgh>00:14.2 Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) [1002:4383] (rev 40)
21:11<saesfgh>00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40)
21:12<babilen>sret: Please run "modprobe -r r8169 ; modprobe r8169 ; dmesg|tail -10" and paste the output along with the output of "ifconfig -a" -- How do you configure your network?
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21:12<babilen>,pciid 1002:4383
21:12<judd>[1002:4383] is 'SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel modules 'ati-agp', 'snd-hda-intel' in lenny. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
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21:12<sret>how do i paste it
21:13<sret>its got no connection
21:13<babilen>saesfgh: AFAICT the card is well supported and should work without a problem.
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21:13<babilen>sret: Ah, right. Read it yourself then and tell me what it is saying about the firmware.
21:13<saesfgh>What driver/module?
21:14<babilen>!tell saesfgh -about install alsa
21:14<sret>CPUFREQ : per core ondemand sysfs interface is deprecated - up threshold
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21:14<saesfgh>i have alsa
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21:14<saesfgh>god damnit
21:14<sret>CPUFREQ : per core ondemand sysfs interface is deprecated - ignore nice load
21:14<saesfgh>am i an idiot? i asked a question.
21:14<babilen>saesfgh: The module is called "snd-hda-intel", but it should be autoloaded. You need to install alsa and unmute some channels and such things.
21:14<sret>r8169: eth0: Loink up
21:14<saesfgh>i have alsa, i have them unmuted, i do not have the module
21:14<chibapet>Hey all. I'm having a hard time getting Debian to run on a laptop with an NVS 3100M nVidia card. I've heard that it works with the free Nouvou (sp?) driver as of Linux 2.6.35 or so, but Squeeze is shipping with an older kernel that doesn't work with the graphics card at all. Is there a way for me to install a stock Debian kernel from Sid or something as a part of an otherwise normal Squeeze install?
21:14<saesfgh>i hate bots
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21:15<sret>eth0: no IPV6 routers present, r81690000:000:00 PCI INT A disabled
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21:15<sret>GST 16( level, low) ->IRQ 16, so on setting latency timer to 64, irq25 for MSI/MSI-X
21:15<babilen>saesfgh: Your question was "I need soud" -- I told you about the things you need to get basic sound working.
21:16<chibapet>The thing that sucks is I have a bunch of time pressure on this, as it's my primary work machine for a new job. I'm running Fedora 14 or Windows 7 if I can't get it resolved.
21:16<babilen>sret: Yes, ok. How do you configure your network?
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21:16<sret>babilen: last time? debian picked it up right away
21:16<saesfgh>I apologize, i was mad about bots.
21:16<sret>this time i didnt configure anything
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21:16<saesfgh>I get scared
21:17<babilen>saesfgh: Load the module with "modprobe snd-hda-intel" but it is most likely loaded already.
21:17*saesfgh 6 grams of crunchberry
21:17<sret>i just did a ifdown ifup eth0 and restarted init.d/networking restart
21:17<saesfgh>babilen, already did ;]
21:17<saesfgh>i didn't mean to yell
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21:18<chibapet>Ah well. Fedora it is. Can't lose more sleep over it. Have a good one, all.
21:18<gsimmons>chibapet: "Nouveau". You can try using linux-image-2.6.37-trunk-* and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau from experimental (/msg dpkg experimental) for support of your device, but this package combination won't receive any support in here.
21:18<babilen>sret: So, what does it say about the firmware? Is it loading it? (dmesg output) -- What happens when you issue "ifup eth0" -- How many eth interfaces do you have in "ifconfig -a" (and what are their names) ...
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21:20<kingsley>How would you convert a .zip archive into a Debian package?
21:20<sret>in ifconfig -a i see eth0 and lo
21:20<babilen>kingsley: Why would you want to do that?
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21:20<ckbachman>kingsley: rename it from .zip to .deb lol just kidding sorry
21:21<sret>babilen: if i do ifup eth0 it says its already configured
21:21<kingsley>babilen: Debian packages are easier to maintain.
21:21<sret>do i need to restart the router or something?
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21:21<kingsley>ckbachman: Heh :-)
21:22<ckbachman>I honestly don't know how to make .deb at all lol just a general user
21:22<babilen>sret: Is it configured? Can you ping? Do you have an IP? Is it a static configuration or a dhcp one? Does it obtain an IP address when you issue "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0" ?
21:22<ckbachman>I am curious too however
21:22<saesfgh>i cannot use my f1-12 keys
21:22<babilen>kingsley: What is this zip archive and why would it be easier to maintain as a Debian package? Why do you want to maintain an archive anyway?
21:23<saesfgh>They change my brightness, play music.. there isn't an fn key eithor.
21:23<abrotman>kingsley: you likely would not .. look at stow or checkinstall
21:23<saesfgh>Can i remap them to say ctrl-f4 for brightness and than use my f1-12 keys
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21:25<sret>babilen: when i did a ifup ifdown it reconfigured it that wa sit
21:25<babilen>sret: "wa sit" ?
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21:26<sret>babilen: when i did a ifconfig -a i see my inet addre:
21:26<babilen>sret: And please do "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0" and not the other way round :)
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21:26<sret>babilen: yes thats what i did, down and then up first and restarted init.d/netowkring restart
21:26<sret>should i restart the dhclient?
21:27<babilen>sret: you don't have to run networking restart ...
21:27<sret>ok then its not connecting
21:27<babilen>sret: So, you don't use a static configuration but dhcp, you get an IP address from the router. What am I missing?
21:27<sret>i use dhcp
21:28<sret>the ip address from the router is inet addr:
21:28<babilen>sret: When is it not connecting? See, you use a lot of deictic expressions and I have no idea what you refer to.
21:28<sret>the network icon is marked red
21:28<sret>i have no interenet
21:29<babilen>sret: Can you ping? Say "ping" or "ping" or "ping" ?
21:29<sret>if i click the icon, it gives a greyed out popup saying network devices are not found
21:29<sret>yes im getting a reply
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21:30<babilen>sret: You *have* internet.
21:30<sret>its replying, 0% packet loss 13 sent, 13 received
21:30<sret>the icon is marked red, i cant ocnnect
21:30<sret>and i pinged my router ip, like i said the router works, i get my ip from the router which is
21:30*babilen sighs again
21:31<babilen>sret: yes, and you can ping and so you have a working internet connection. right?
21:31<babilen> that is
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21:32<sret>for im getting a reply too
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21:32<sret>6 packets sent 6 received, 0%loss
21:32<amphi>sret: that's a message from ping, not a reply
21:33<babilen>sp, you have internet :) The icon is most likely network-manager which is not configured to handle your interface because you configured it in /etc/network/interfaces
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21:33<babilen>sret: Can you open websites? Can you run "aptitude update" other things?
21:34<sret>thats what ive been telling you there is no internet
21:34<sret>oh wait
21:34<sret>it opened
21:34*babilen laughs desperately
21:34<sret>but its like horribly slow
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21:35<sret>how do i get the icon to work?
21:35<babilen>is it important?
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21:37<babilen>sret: Read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian* and -- I don't understand why it is important though. And don't recommend to actually use network-manager.
21:37<babilen>Is it a laptop? Desktop?
21:38<sret>it is horribly slow though now
21:38<amphi>sret: network-manager seems to give rise to many complaints; wicd on the other hand works well, for me and others
21:38<gsimmons>babilen, sret: The wiki document is slightly out-of-date. Existing wired/wireless interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces should be disabled during the network-manager upgrade (/msg dpkg nm squeeze), but this may have failed.
21:38<sret>and my connecito is not slow at the moment
21:39<babilen>sret: Just remove network-manager from your system, don't change the network configuration. If I remember correctly there is some network-applet that ships with gnome, that might show you whenever you are online or not.
21:39<sret>ok so its a bug
21:39<babilen>gsimmons: README.Debian should be up-to-date though, shouldn't it?
21:40<sret>well its going to get fixed before 6th of feb right?
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21:40<gsimmons>babilen: Yes, that should be.
21:40<babilen>well, the problem with wikis.
21:41<sret>ok there is definitely osmething wrong with the connection on debian
21:41<sret>its horribly horrible slow
21:41<sret>even when it booted up, it took more time than lenny to load the desktop
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21:42<sret>my laptop loads the page in like a second, on the debian machine it takes like 10 secs to load the page
21:42<dvs>oh? what'd I miss?
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21:44<sret>nothing much, its slow as fuck
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21:45<sret>25 secsd and the page hasnt still loaded on debian..
21:45<sret>a wiki page
21:46<smv>I wonder if there is a way to have different $HOME folders for different DEs. something like /home/user/GNOME /home/user/KDE and so on.
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21:57<adb>smv, hm, add user gnome, kde , and so on ..
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21:59<smv>adb, that's not a solution. :))
22:00<smv>adb, what to do then if having 50 users on a system, each using atleast 2 different DEs? :)
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22:01<adb>user_1_gnome, user_1_kde , and so on ..
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22:07<adb>or custom .(bash_)profile
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22:09<antivigilante>anyone have a full server list for konversation?
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22:44<kva>babilen: you remember the problem with horizontal stripes and weaceaeasel?
22:45<kva>I got same screen with skype, you need it?
22:45<kva>well, not same screen but with same trips
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22:57<cthuluh>hi, NFS/kernel version. I would like to unload the lockd module in order to reload it with different options (making it listen on an other port)
22:57<cthuluh>the problem is that I can't unload it, it tells me "module lockd is in use", of course
22:59<cthuluh>I can't even unload nfsd, though it seems like there is no other module depending on it, and the NFS server is down
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23:03<tash>is there any way to mount a pendrive as a non-root user and get permision of read/write?
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23:04<cthuluh>dpkg: tell tash -about pmount
23:04<sret>ok any idea why debian is so slow on this machine, and the internet
23:04<sret>everything is just so slow since the upgrade
23:05<cthuluh>so slow meaning what?
23:05<sret>internet is lagging beyond belief
23:05<cthuluh>bandwidth or latency problem?
23:05<sret>synaptic manager wont open
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23:06<sret>the bandwidth is fine
23:06<sret>all the windows laptops work 10 times faster than this now
23:06<cthuluh>well, go buy a windows CD, then
23:07<sret>you asked me if i had a bandwidth issue and im telling you no and how fast it is on the other machines and you give me a stupid response like that?
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23:07<sret>why did you even ask
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23:08<sret>i dont know if its because i havent updated the machine,i have a few pkgs to update but as of now the system is just too slow since i upgraded to squeeze
23:08<cthuluh>sret: just don't say "windows is better" just to ghet more attention, then
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23:08<sret>how is that to get more attention
23:08<cthuluh>sret: what is in your /etc/nsswitch.conf
23:09<tash>cthuluh: is weird, yesterday i installed it with usbmount, and when I use pmount it asked for root, now I unistalled usbmount but keeping the pmount and now it seems to work, I'll try the write thing
23:09<cthuluh>sret: you should have hosts: files dns
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23:10<cthuluh>in this file. not hosts: dns files
23:10<sret>hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
23:10<cthuluh>then, what's in your resolv.conf? is your nameserver reachable?
23:10<cthuluh>then get rid of mdns4_minimal
23:10<cthuluh>it's avahi, and you probably don't run it on your network
23:11<sret>what do you man get rid of it?
23:11<cthuluh>well. with a text editor.
23:11<sret>yes the file is open
23:11<sret>but how do you want it removed, spaces, no spaces, what exactly though?
23:11<sret>and i dont see avahi running, in the processes
23:11<cthuluh>hosts: files dns
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23:12<sret>jusst hosts: files dns? remove everything else? ok
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23:13<cthuluh>mdns is multicast dns, a weird techno that no one seems to understand, and that slows down most machines on which it is installed, since there aren't many network where it is actually usable
23:14<sret>i changed that to files dns
23:14<sret>resolve.conf has only nameserver
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23:16<sret>is there anything else i should change
23:16<cthuluh>so do you notice a difference, now?
23:16<sret>same lag
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23:16<cthuluh>is DNS lagging?
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23:17<sret>i have no idea how do i check
23:17<sret>all i know is its just this machine now thats slow
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23:17<cthuluh>with a tool like dig, for example
23:17-!-Judas_PhD [] has joined #debian
23:17<cthuluh>for example
23:18<sret> MSG SIZE rcvd: 108
23:18<mattux>cthuluh \o/
23:18<cthuluh>sret: do you think it's about the size?
23:18<cthuluh>yes, yes, mattux :P
23:18<sret>cthuluh: i dont know
23:18<sret>i did dig
23:18<cthuluh>sret: Query time
23:19<tash>cthuluh: thank you very much, now all works as I want :)
23:19<sret>got a few results, what are you looking for in there and i cann tell you
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23:19<sret>got a few results, what are you looking for in there and i cann tell you
23:19<sret>;; Query time: 52 msec
23:19<tash>it seem like all the problems came from the usbmount package
23:19<tash>seems like it does something I wasnt looking for
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23:20<cthuluh>sret: are 52ms close to the lag you're experiencing?
23:20<sret>to load a page?
23:21<sret>around 20 -25 secs
23:21<sret>min 15 secs
23:21<cthuluh>did you try another www browser?
23:22<sret>to load a youtube video, 20 secs
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23:22<cthuluh>I don't know how much it represents
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23:22<cthuluh>also, flash / js crap often slow down things a bit
23:23<sret>same with epiphany
23:23<sret>but why would it slow down only after the upgrade?
23:23<sret>it was running perfectly fine on lenny
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23:27<sret>any ideas ?
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23:29<cthuluh>sret: time wget
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23:30<sret>Saving to: `index.html'
23:30<sret>[ <=> ] 8,847 --.-K/s in 0.07s
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23:31<cthuluh>what about the real time reported by bash?
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23:32<sret>what is the real time
23:32<sret>2011-02-01 23:29:20 (120 KB/s) - `index.html' saved [8847]
23:32<cthuluh>real 0m3.89s
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23:32<cthuluh>for example
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23:32<sret>i dont see that
23:33<cthuluh>use this real command: time wget
23:33<cthuluh>time is part of the command
23:33<sret>real 0m10.505s
23:33<sret>sys 0m0.012s
23:34<sret>user 0m0.000s
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23:35<cthuluh>what about: time wget
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23:35<sret>woah that was fast
23:36<sret>real 0m0.424s
23:36<sret>user 0m0.000s
23:36<sret>sys 0m0.004s
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23:36<cthuluh>then you have a problem with DNS
23:36<sret>on this machine?
23:36<sret>what do i do
23:36<sret>i only upgraded
23:36<cthuluh>I thought that modifying /etc/nsswitch.conf would be enough
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23:36<adb>fix nameserver
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23:37<sret>i have a dyndns account
23:37*cthuluh bets it's not an option
23:37<cthuluh>this is not related
23:38<cthuluh>sret: try installing dnsmasq
23:38<cthuluh>sret: your nameserver thingie might be brain damaged
23:40<sret>installed dnsmasq same thing
23:40<sret>real 0m10.499s
23:40<sret>user 0m0.000s
23:40<sret>sys 0m0.008s
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23:40<cthuluh>you just installed it, you didn't say your system to use it
23:41<sret>it should be installed and running no?
23:41<sret>i used synaptic
23:41<cthuluh>installed and running != your system is using it
23:41<mattux>good night all
23:41<cthuluh>bye, mattux
23:41<cthuluh>try to replace the "nameserver ..." line in your resolv.conf
23:42<cthuluh>with a line like: nameserver
23:43<sret>am i here
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23:43<sret>this is odd
23:43<cthuluh>which means?
23:43<sret>in my nameserver: it was
23:43<sret>this box is on actually but after the upgrade i dont know if it changed it
23:44<sret>so i put 192.168.08 and it wont open antything
23:44<cthuluh>what tells you that dnsmasq is listening on
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23:45<sret> doesnt open anything
23:46<cthuluh>perhaps because dnsmasq wasn't launched?
23:46<sret>how do i launch i
23:46<cthuluh>just verify this
23:46<cthuluh>netstat -nlup | grep 53
23:47<cthuluh>see if there's a line that concerns dnsmasq
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23:47<sret>dnsmasq is launched
23:47<sret>its running on PID3811
23:47<cthuluh>on which address is it listening?
23:47<sret>and there's avahi-daemon
23:47<cthuluh>sret: HA!
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23:48<sret>i killed avahi but google doesnt load, put the nameserver back to
23:49<cthuluh>try: dig localhost @localhost
23:49<sret>what do you want me to paste
23:49<sret>;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 43
23:50<sret>localhost. 0 IN A
23:50<cthuluh>ok, ok, I don't really care about the result
23:51<cthuluh>now try with
23:51<sret>its still slow
23:51<sret>time wget
23:51<cthuluh>no, wait
23:51<cthuluh>dig localhost @localhost
23:51<cthuluh>is slow?
23:51<sret>no launching the pages is still slow
23:51<sret>dig was fast
23:52<cthuluh>did you stop avahi?
23:52<sret>yes avahi-daemon
23:53<sret>only dnsmasq is running on 3811 UDP and UDP6
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23:53<cthuluh>dnsmasq should be listening on port 53
23:54<sret>yes on port 53
23:55<cthuluh>try this:
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23:59<sret>::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
23:59<sret>dont need to do anything there right
23:59<sret>its commented out already
23:59<sret># The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
23:59<sret>::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
23:59<sret>fe00::0 ip6-localne
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