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---Logopened Wed Feb 02 00:00:18 2011
---Daychanged Wed Feb 02 2011
00:00<sret>i use exim4 but not sure how to configure it here
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00:00<sret>ok found it
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00:01<cthuluh>did you create a script in /etc/sysctl.d/?
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00:02<sret>i dont see the ipv6 option in my eximconf.conf
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00:03<sret>yes i have a sysctl.d
00:03<sret>#net.ipv6.conf.all.accept_redirects = 0
00:03<cthuluh>so you didn't follow what was said on the wiki
00:04<sret>which part
00:04<cthuluh>Disable ipv6 in kernel : echo net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 > /etc/sysctl.d/disableipv6.conf will disable ipv6 at next reboot.
00:05<cthuluh>first line
00:05<sret>did that already
00:05<cthuluh>06:03 < sret> yes i have a sysctl.d
00:05<cthuluh>06:03 < sret> #net.ipv6.conf.all.accept_redirects = 0
00:05<sret># Uncomment the next line to enable packet forwarding for IPv6
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00:06<sret>its not uncommented is it
00:06<cthuluh>please read again
00:06<cthuluh>Disable ipv6 in kernel : echo net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 > /etc/sysctl.d/disableipv6.conf will disable ipv6 at next reboot.
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00:07<sret>yeah i did that already
00:07<sret>not rebooted
00:07<sret>because i was still working on the exim4 part
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00:07<sret>what part are you telling me i didnt do?
00:08<cthuluh>when I asked you what was the result of your command you answered with the content of another file
00:08<cthuluh>that's why I asn't happy with your answer
00:08<sret>the result of the command didnt yield anything
00:08<sret>i typed that echo
00:08<sret>and it just went to prompt
00:09<sret>~# echo net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 > /etc/sysctl.d/disableipv6.conf w
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00:09<cthuluh>then the result would be the content of the file you've just created
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00:10<sret>what is the result im suppoed to get here?
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00:10<sret>i thought it said if it has to work you need to reboot
00:10<cthuluh>argh. forget. what. I've. said.
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00:10<cthuluh>you'll reboot when you'll want to reboot
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00:11<sret>i can reboot now but io thought i had to finish all those steps in your debian link you posted
00:11<sret>besides i cant find put disable_ipv6 = true into your exim configuration file in my exim4 conf file
00:12<sret>i have an update-exim4.conf.conf file but nothing in there talks about ipv6
00:13<cthuluh>disabling ipv6 with exim won't make your browsing faster
00:13<sret>well its one of the steps in the link
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00:17<Viru>hi how can i build application using GStreamer on ubuntu?
00:18<sret>i rebooted
00:19<sret>no difference whatsoever
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00:20<sret>is thre anything else i can check
00:21<cthuluh>well, I have several machines that have been upgraded from lenny to squeeze. *no* latency problem
00:21<cthuluh>thus, I quit
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00:29<sret>cthuluh: ok
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00:30<sret>well i dont know why its having issues, its not like i changed anything
00:31<sret>makes no sense, i upgraded and im having issues
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00:32<sret>maybe the realtek firmware isnt good enough?
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00:32<sret>this is almost impossible to use the machine now
00:33<sret>even the shell is dragging what i type
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01:43<kd123>ah squeeze release planned for Feb 5th/6th.... about time lol :)
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04:42<ayaka>hello,everyone,ready to say real happy new year!There is the big noise out of windows,but my smplauer have problem,I use gnome with compiz,my smplayer will move down when I press pause
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05:04<ayaka>hello,everyone,ready to say real happy new year!There is the big noise out of windows,but my smplauer have problem,I use gnome with compiz,my smplayer will move down when I press pause
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06:08<Cozminsky>What's a dns server with an ldap backend that does automatic reverse dns for ipv6 and supports dnssec?
06:08<Cozminsky>and ipv4 if it's delegated
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06:09<bones_was_here>pdns is the only one afaik
06:09<Cozminsky>I don't think the ldap backend does automatic reverse
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06:10<Cozminsky>and powerdnssec doesn't support the ldap backend yet
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06:10<bones_was_here>dnssec might be an issue yes, i've not used that
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06:11<Cozminsky>not sure it's been packaged in debian either, since it's only very new
06:11<bones_was_here>its there, as is the ldap backend
06:11<bones_was_here>aptitude search pdns
06:12<bones_was_here>(idk about lenny, this is sid)
06:12<Cozminsky>I meant the dnssec extension, I know powerdns is there
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06:12<bones_was_here>ah right.. yeah nfi sorry
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06:15<Cozminsky>I'm currently using unbound as resolver and tinydns as authorative
06:15<Cozminsky>I like tinydns apart from the lack of dnssec and dynamic update from dhcp server
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06:16<Cozminsky>and the use of ipv6 as a transport didn't seem to work for me even with fefe's patches
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06:17<bones_was_here>i got to this stage at work about a year ago, but then got told to work on other projects, so i've yet to find dns nirvana :p
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06:18<bones_was_here>hopefully ill get back to it this year (<3 dns)
06:18<Cozminsky>dnssec is one of the most exciting things happening right now
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06:20<Cor3>hmm, this server is on croatia
06:20<Cor3>war ruined country
06:20<bones_was_here>yeah it'd be great to have, but not if it comes at the expense of ldap support
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07:01<mjt>um. Probably a stupid question but still... What's the reasoin each "DE" (desktop environment) has all components instead of reusing some common stuff? For example, a session manager - why it needs to be re-implemented? What's the real difference between, say, xsm and lxsession and xfce4-session?
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07:02<petemc>duplication of effort and reinvention of wheel are entrenched human traits
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07:06<kr0k3tt>anyone here willing to help me with my IP tables and setting a machine up as a router
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07:13<home-alone>Hi . I am using Debian 5 and looking for a simple app which I can use for editing and converting videos g
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07:18<babilen>cinelerra is missing, but probably overkill for home-alone
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07:19<home-alone>should I try openshot
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07:22<babilen>home-alone: Try them all, people like each of them. Some are enthusiastic about pitivi, other love openshot, some are happy with cinelerra. We can't tell you what *you* like. Try them all and see what you like.
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07:30<km48>I want to modify some of my hardware settings through /sys/, what is the Debian way to do this on boot?
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07:31<stabby-jones>hey, i took over maintenance of a rhythmbox plugin i want in debian.
07:31<dpkg>sysctl.conf is a method of setting sysctl values (such as those found in /proc/sys) early on in boot using sysctl(8). See man 5 sysctl.conf for details.
07:31<stabby-jones>how do i get it in there?
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07:32<babilen>stabby-jones: Have it sponsored. Ask in #debian-mentors
07:32<babilen>!tell stabby-jones -about mentors
07:32<stabby-jones>cool. thanks for that
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07:33<gsimmons>dpkg: tell km48 -about sysfs
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07:34<km48>thank you, that's perfect
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07:51<deb>hi people
07:51<deb>everytime i got reconnect to the internet it add to my resolv.conf
07:51<deb># Generated by NetworkManager
07:54<Torsten_W>not "it add"
07:54<Torsten_W>networkmanager add
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07:55<deb>can you tell me which file control this file? i added the line dns-nameservers in my /etc/network/interfaces but the problem doesn't go away
07:56<Torsten_W>don't use networkmanager?
07:56<Torsten_W>configure networkmanager for your needs?
07:57<Torsten_W>who knows
07:57<Torsten_W>no info, no tipps
07:57<deb>remove network manager?
07:58<deb>oh i see
07:58<deb>:D thanks Torsten_W
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08:00<fifty>Hi folks. I wonder if there is any way to run old version of a programm in some kind of encapsulated environment, with all that old libs needed? What should i search for? How is that called?
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08:08<deb>Torsten_W: , if i remove network manager
08:08<deb>how do i get connection when i reboot
08:08<deb>is there another script that does it?
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08:08<deb>right now i can't do ifup or ifdown interfaces
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08:12<jm_>deb: you can have it managed by ifupdown
08:13<deb>bash: ifupdown: command not found
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08:13<deb>it not found jm_
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08:14<jm_>deb: ifupdown is a package, ifup/ifdown are commands
08:15<deb>oh, jm_ i have this package install
08:15<deb>insalled, so if i restart my computer it will auto manage the network right
08:15<jm_>deb: well as long as your interfaces file is configured properly
08:17<jm_>maybe also check /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian
08:17<deb>jm, i removed network manager package but it still change my resolv.conf
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08:19<jm_>deb: when you do ifup?
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08:29<Torsten_W>deb, you use the package resolvconf?
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08:36<timekiller>any idea when the backports will be available for squeeze ?
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08:37<timekiller>i mean how long after the official squeeze release as stable.
08:38<timekiller>still having an issue with the kernel, i would like to try the one who will be in backports....
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08:38<deb>Torsten_W , nope i dont have resolvconf install
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08:47<vivek_>I am interested in contributing to the Debian project through GSoC. Please give some pointers to start with
08:47<babilen>deb: You can either install resolvconf and use "dns-nameservers" in /e/n/i or instruct the dhcp client to supersede the dns server information provided by the DHCP server. (I.e. your router) -- /msg dpkg override dns
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08:57<themill>vivek_: I don't know that preparations for gsoc have progressed very far yet, but "/msg dpkg gsoc" for some debian-specific resources... some of which probably haven't been updated since last year.
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08:59<cmot>yodel! anybody knows if there is something up to date on Linux that comes close to what pfsync/carp do to get a firewall with failover?
08:59<cmot>(google finds a few relatively old posts, but nothing recent, at least for m)
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09:13<tuxcrafter>hi all, i have some systems with testing as repository
09:13<tuxcrafter>i know testing is a rolling distribution
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09:13<daemonkeeper>Sort of
09:13<tuxcrafter>and with the new stable release comming i want my tesing systems to become stable
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09:14<tuxcrafter>is it engough to change all testing strings to sqeeuze?
09:14<daemonkeeper>In sources.list you mean I suppose
09:14<PentiumXXX>and the repo already work
09:14<PentiumXXX>i already use squeeze repo
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09:14<tuxcrafter>yes in sources.list but also in unattended updates
09:15<tuxcrafter>and default reposoitory
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09:15<PentiumXXX>yess i have juste changed lenny to squeeze then update
09:15<tuxcrafter>and when the release is over i can change squeeze to stable
09:15<daemonkeeper>If you do have, there too. All places where you put "testing"
09:15<daemonkeeper>You can, but you don't need to
09:15<tuxcrafter>ok i just wanted to verify :D
09:16<tuxcrafter>see you all at fosdem :D
09:16<daemonkeeper>On the repositories stable/testing/oldstable/unstable is just a symlink to the actual realease incorporating that rule at a given point in time
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09:19<themill>(using a release code name ("squeeze") rather than a release state ("testing") is always a better plan... much less likelihood of surprises)
09:19<tuxcrafter>i like suprises :D
09:20<tuxcrafter>just kidding :)
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09:21<PentiumXXX>surprise are bad in linux
09:21<ayaka>hello,everyone,ready to say real happy new year!There is the big noise out of windows,but my smplauer have problem,I use gnome with compiz,my smplayer will move down when I press pause
09:22<PentiumXXX>like the one that mi wifi card are now unable to authenticate :( but see all network
09:22<PentiumXXX>but was working perfecly on lenny
09:22<tuxcrafter>however i do use debian unstable (sid) on my workstation and that sometimes gives you a sadistic feeling! D:
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09:44<ayaka>server problem?
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09:53<sret>ok morning all
09:54<sret>still havent fixed the latency issue on my squeeze box, unusuable at this moment
09:54<sret>any ideas?. thoughts? thanks
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10:06<ram>i'm trying to install firefox on my debian, and followed the instructions on this link and seems it didn't work, or i missed something. i'm really new to linux based operating systems. can anyone help me please? link:
10:07<themill>ram: "aptitude install iceweasel" works just fine. Use for a newer version if you want.
10:07<sret>ram: : iceweasel is firefox for debian
10:07<sret>just use iceweasel
10:07<ram>i know, i know. but i want to have firefox, indeed.
10:08<ram>is that something bad?
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10:08<sret>iceweasel offers the same thing
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10:08<sret>even flash works onn it
10:08<amphi>ram: iceweasel _is_ firefox
10:08<themill>ram: perhaps ask the firefox people then... it seems like a great waste of everyone's time to help you build something just so you can have a different logo
10:09<timekiller>yes the only difference between firefox and iceweasel is the logo...
10:10<sret>anyone any ideas on my latency issues on squeeze?
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10:10<sret>i noticed something weird, reslov.conf has this is actually my router's ip
10:11<timekiller>stret you use dhcp ?
10:11<amphi>sret: that's probably set by dhcp
10:11<sret>if i go into my router's login and check for atached devices, my debian doesnt have an ip assigned for it, its using the router's ip
10:11<ram>is it rm or rv to remove from the terminal?
10:11<sret>yeah i use dhcp
10:11<timekiller>i got this problem too with debian and my isp box using dhcp
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10:12<timekiller>jus set up a static ip and use opendns instead
10:12<timekiller>it solved the problem for me
10:12<sret>we have dynamic here
10:12<themill>sret: it's pretty standard that your resolv.conf would have your router's ip in it. Your router will be a caching dns proxy for you.
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10:13<themill>(up to the point where it doesn't work very well and you're better off configuring your machines to use something else)
10:13<timekiller>so try edit manually your resolv.conf with opendns server and see how it works
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10:14<ram>so, ok. still do i need the "firefox" folder in my /usr/lib/ directory?
10:14<themill>(editing that manually will only work for a few minutes until overwritten by dhcp again)
10:14<sret>themill: but i restarted dhclient now
10:14<timekiller>right themill but sounds like he don't have any other choice
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10:15<themill>timekiller: he does -- he can either configure dhcp daemon or client properly.
10:15<themill>!override dns
10:15<dpkg>To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf (/etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf on squeeze), or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer.
10:15<amphi>timekiller: he can edit his dhclient.conf
10:15<sret>and this is what it says which is interesting, DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 tp 255.* port 67 intertva 4
10:15<sret>DHCPoffer from
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10:15<sret>bpound to -- renewal in 109187 seconds
10:16<timekiller>right amphi good idea
10:16<sret> is what i should be having for my debian box!
10:16<themill>sret: there's nothing wrong with that at all.
10:16*amphi wonders why that is amusing
10:16<sret> themill: why? why should it be using my router's ip now?
10:16<themill>sret: define "it"
10:16<sret>the debian box
10:17<themill>sret: it's not. It's using just like you said.
10:17<sret>on lenny it was assigned an ip which was, after upgrading its got the router's default io
10:17<ram>on debian, is there a program that detects the unuseful files or scripts in the system and deletes/cleans them automatically? as CCleaner from Windows. any idea?
10:17<amphi>sret: run ifconfig to see what your ip address is
10:17<sret>themill: actually no, yday it showed up its inet addr as
10:17<|Long|>what is the cmd to login as GUI
10:17<sret>and inside my router attached devices: the debian box is not even listed! only the other two laptops were assigned an ip
10:18<timekiller>maybe try to remove domain-name-servers in the request section...never tried it but it should work
10:18<sret>ok amphi now it showes inet addr: 0.8*
10:19<sret>ah i see it in the router, ok
10:19<amphi>sret: yes, that's the address the router gave it by dhcp, as your paste showed
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10:19<sret>ok im back to my old problem then slow internet
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10:20<timekiller>so try what i said it should work...
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10:20<timekiller>do it and setup your resolv.conf manually
10:20<amphi>sret: slow to resolve hostnames, or low bandwidth?
10:21<amphi>sret: try 'host' and see how long it takes to tell you the ip address
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10:21<sret>amphi: slow to resolve hostnames, yday cthuluh and i did a time wget test using an ip of google and it was fast
10:21<sret>but if i did a it took like 10 secs
10:22<ram>is there a CCleaner for debian?
10:22<amphi>sret: what does 'time host' say?
10:22<timekiller>ram: i made one
10:22<petemc>ram: whats a ccleaner?
10:23<amphi>cruft-cleaner? ;)
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10:23<sret>real 0.152, user: 0.008, sys 0.009
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10:23<sret> has
10:23<petemc>sret: if your dns is slow, try a different server - its not complicated
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10:23<sret> has ipv6 address 2620:0:2..
10:23<ram>petemc: cleaning the unusefull files on windows.
10:24<timekiller>ram: i use this script to clean my system
10:24<amphi>sret: that doesn't seem very slow; but try a domain you haven't tried before, as that may be cached in the router
10:24<timekiller>but you have to adapt it for your config...
10:24<timekiller>it check security vulnerability also
10:24<petemc>ram: stuff in tmp gets cleaned out on reboot, otherwise i wouldnt worry too much
10:25<amphi>sret: 'time host' for example
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10:25<sret>petemc: tried google, real5.321, user:0.004, sys 0.004
10:25<ram>timekiller: i need an easier one. i can't do anything with that script, don't know how to do.
10:25<timekiller>just put it in your /home
10:25<sret>real 0.483, user:0.000, sys 0.000 for
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10:25<petemc>a script that runs rm -rf as root a load of times - great!
10:25<timekiller>and run "sh"
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10:26<timekiller>never had any problem with his script petemc
10:26<amphi>sret: that also doesn't seem overly slow
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10:26<petemc>timekiller: that may be so, but that doesnt make it a good idea
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10:27<sret>amphi: http is slow as hell here or eben ssh
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10:27<sret>10 secs to load
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10:28<ram>what chat client are you using?
10:28<ram>which one should i add?
10:29<PentiumXXX>i use Xchat
10:29<bluenemo>hi guys, i'm stuck with a small beginners bash script problem, its about comparing read variables to several values..
10:30<petemc>sret: install mtr-tiny then run mtr
10:30<ram>PentiumXXX: how can i install it?
10:30<PentiumXXX>just do aptitude install xchat in a root shell
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10:31<Darksoy>wenas tardes
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10:32<ram>on add/remove appliations, there are 2 different xchat.. 1 is xchat irc and 2 xchat-gnome irc chat
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10:32<ram>which one should i installs?
10:32<PentiumXXX>somone know a good snapshot software to use cause i don't have the printscreen button on my comp ?
10:32<sret>petemc: ok
10:32<PentiumXXX>ram depent if you are on gnome use the second one
10:32<timekiller>ram xchat
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10:33<ram>yes, i'm using gnome desktop.
10:33<amphi>PentiumXXX: scrot
10:34<sret>petemc: yeah i ran it, it does a traceroute
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10:34<amphi>sret: it should also show you where there is any significant packet loss, if anywhere, if you let it run for a bit
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10:35<PentiumXXX>amphi scrot don't seem to work
10:35<sret>sent 20 now and dont see a packet loss anywhere yet
10:35<PentiumXXX>any alternative ?
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10:36<amphi>!doesn't work
10:36<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
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10:37<PentiumXXX>dpkg very simple it installed appear nowhere an when i want to start it in a shell it simply do nothing that's my definition of don't work
10:37<dpkg>PentiumXXX: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
10:37<sret>amphi: should i keep this time?
10:37<amphi>not indefinitely
10:38<sret>so far i dont see any values change in Loss%
10:38<sret>its sitting at 0.0%
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10:38<ram>PentiumXXX: how to connect here by using xchat. there is no debian server.
10:38<PentiumXXX>it should be in the list
10:38<PentiumXXX>it's in mine y default
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10:39<ram>what's the name? there is no "debian" on mine.
10:39<amphi>ram: /connect
10:39<sret>for my routere's ip in there loss& 0.0, snt 227, last:0.5, Avg:0.5 Best 0.5 Wrst:1.1 Stdev:0.1
10:39<amphi>ram: and then /join #debian
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10:40<sret>anything else i should check
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10:43<sret>i have a few uddates to do since upgrading to squeeze, could this be onf ot the reasons for this lag?
10:43<amphi>sret: what was your mtr command line?
10:44<koollman>is there a way to 'extend' a declared bug to more versions of a package ? ( , applies also to postgresql-8.4 as distributed in squeeze. and quite annoying)
10:44<sret>amphi: mtr
10:44<AlabamaHit>I was in here yesterday, I have a fresh install of Debian. 64bit. I have dual monitors. But only one monitor works, and the screen resolution is way off. it is showing in like 1078x680 or something like that. and it shuld be alot higher,
10:44<amphi>sret: ok
10:44<amphi>AlabamaHit: what video card?
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10:45<sret>amphi: it is relatively a lil faster than yday but still slow in comparison to lenny
10:45<AlabamaHit>Nvidia XFX GTX 250
10:45<sret>yday to open a page it wouldtake forever
10:45<sret>today about 5-6 secs and it loads
10:46*amphi runs away
10:46<PentiumXXX>i n ee a gui screenshot software ??
10:46<ompaul>koollman: no, it appears best practice is to write a new bug report and reference the other one
10:46<sret>though it should be fasteer, cause the same page on my windows laptop takes a second to load
10:46<PentiumXXX>seekin on google and i find only command line one
10:47<petemc>sret: you could try disable ipv6
10:47<sret>petemc: we did that yday based on the wiki page cthuluh suggested
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10:47<AlabamaHit>amphi, Yeah, Nvidia GTX 250
10:47<sret>rebooted the machine and didnt do anything yday, thelag existed
10:47<amphi>PentiumXXX: if you gimp installed, it can do screenshots
10:47<koollman>ompaul: ok
10:47<ompaul>petemc: and today 2nd Feb, you are so cruel one day after X day :) sret he is right do about:config and search for ipv6 in your browser
10:47<petemc>sret: you mentioned a dns query earlier returning ipv6 results, which would indicate to me whatever you did didnt work
10:47<amphi>AlabamaHit: sorry, I know nothing of nvidia
10:47<dpkg>Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support is a release goal for Squeeze. #debian-ipv6 on, #ipv6 on To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>.
10:47<PentiumXXX>amphi yeaa i have will try
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10:48<ompaul>sret: ^^ the answer is in the bot - which may be on irc but easier than asking the channel
10:48<amphi>PentiumXXX: but scrot works well; bind it to some key combination
10:48<sret>petemc: yeah for host
10:48<sret>it saus ha IPv6 address2620:0...
10:48<AlabamaHit>I downloaded a driver from Nvidia website. But when I click it to run in terminal it says 'has to be ran as root'
10:49<PentiumXXX>weel i need something to take screenshot without hvinig to push the printscreen button cause i don't have
10:49<amphi>AlabamaHit: it sounds as though you are about to enter a world of pain
10:49<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
10:50<ompaul>sret: you have been given the answer by the bot - please search
10:50<PentiumXXX>i need s omething simple so that i will not take all the day to underrstand how it work
10:50<AlabamaHit>!nividia pre-built
10:50<petemc>PentiumXXX: script
10:50<petemc>gah, i mean scrot
10:50<PentiumXXX>i don't screen
10:50<PentiumXXX>and gimp don't seem to take screenshot at all
10:50<petemc>aptitude install scrot
10:50<PentiumXXX>nothing in the menu
10:51<PentiumXXX>i have it
10:51<petemc>so use it
10:51<PentiumXXX>scrot is in command line
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10:51<PentiumXXX>i need someting like in ubuntu
10:51<ompaul>PentiumXXX: what DE are you using, and does pressing the printscreen button not trigger such an application
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10:51<sret>ompaul: in about:config: network.dns.disableipv6 default integer false
10:51<sret>set it to true?
10:51<PentiumXXX>cause it's a mac and mac don't have printscreen button
10:51<ompaul>sret: what do you think?
10:51<ompaul>PentiumXXX: ahh, your nick confused me - what de are you using
10:52<PentiumXXX>imac recent one quad core
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10:52<sret>ompaul: thanks !!
10:52<|Long|>what ic cmd to login as GUI anyone plz help?
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10:52<sret>well thakns everyone::D:D
10:52<ompaul>sret: go do at least one lines search of the bot first please
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10:52<ompaul>sret: then we will feel your thanks are genuine
10:52<sret>ok checking
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10:53<sret>it says to add ipv6.disable=1 in the kernel command line option
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10:54<sret>ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf
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10:54<sret>this is what we did yday but apparently neither cthuluh nor i noticed its for lenny
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10:54<PentiumXXX>so hard to do a so simple task....
10:55<PentiumXXX>i hate mac but i have to work with it
10:55<ompaul>PentiumXXX: DE = desktop environment
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10:55<PentiumXXX>i am on gnome
10:56<ompaul>PentiumXXX: not 100% sure but check your accessories menu
10:56<PentiumXXX>sry i have misunderstood your question
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10:56<PentiumXXX>nothing there was the first place i look cause ubuntu have one by default ;)
10:56<PentiumXXX>in accesory i got only gedit shell and root shell
10:57<petemc>try installing gnome-screenshot
10:57<ompaul>PentiumXXX: care to installgnome-screenshot
10:57*ompaul is bammed
10:57<PentiumXXX>will try
10:57<ompaul>don't try - do
10:58<sret>ompaul: just curious disabling ipv6 is a temporarily solution to this? could this be abroken dns?
10:58<PentiumXXX>ok i do gnome-screenshot
10:58<PentiumXXX>yheaaaa that's rock
10:58<PentiumXXX>working fine exacly what i wanted :)
10:58<PentiumXXX>thank you all
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10:59<ompaul>sret: it could be you don't have ipv6 working correctly and frankly I don't mind - you asked how to turn it off which means that the resolving of it and routing of it broke down somewhere - go research, you have all the interest in the worldin the question the answer is out there
11:00<sret>ompaul: i dont use ipv6 so yeah i dont mind either
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11:01<ram>[sudo] password for ram:
11:01<ram>ram is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
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11:01<ram>why i am getting this msg?
11:01<PentiumXXX>do su
11:01<PentiumXXX>only su
11:01<PentiumXXX>then password
11:02<ram>ty. :)
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11:02<PentiumXXX>np ;)
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11:09<sret>ok so echo net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 > /etc/sysctl.d/disableipv6.conf can be done at prompt right
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11:10<sret>or i need to moidfy the kernel command line options at boot?
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11:11<AlabamaHit>Is it better to download Squeeze and install it, or update from Lenny?
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11:11<sret>you could do it either way, i havent had an issue updating it from lenny
11:11<timekiller>sret: is that solved your problem ?
11:11<sret>no broken pkgs or anything
11:12<amphi>no need to install lenny first
11:12<sret>timekiller: yeah ipv6
11:12<PentiumXXX>me i upgraded 5 time without any problem but use apt-get for the update instead of aptitude but only for the upgrade
11:12<koollman>oh. this bug gets better and better the more I look into it :)
11:12<sret>yeha for squeeze you're told to use apt-get
11:12<koollman> and are funny bugs.
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11:14<sret>ok so echo net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 > /etc/sysctl.d/disableipv6.conf <- how do i check if this is disabled?
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11:17<sret>guess i found it, ip a |grep inet6
11:17<Cristianito>de parte de pidh
11:17<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:17<daemonkeeper>sret: You don't by putting it into sysctl.d. This is honored on the next reboot. For immeriate changes use sysctl -w (without -w to prompt the current value)
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11:17<Cristianito>para de capullo tonto. by: pidh
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11:18<sret>daemonkeeper: cool thanks
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11:48<troulouliou>ho is thee an option for apt-cache search to search only the installed packaged ?
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11:49<themill>no, but aptitude can; /msg dpkg aptitude search
11:49<PentiumXXX>aptitude -vvv
11:50<troulouliou>ho thanks
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12:07<tharkun>Gentlemen Sorry to bother. How can i download a source package from a previous release so i can recompile it for the one i am using?
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12:11<ompaul>tharkun: have fun looking there - remember if it needs old libraries you will need to provide them also
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12:15<tharkun>ompaul: Thanks I'll keep the good spirits and hope for the best
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12:15<sret>thanks everyone, squeeze is running smooth
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12:16<sret>i've got like 700 pkgs to update, crazy
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12:16<sret>isit advisable to do a smart update?
12:18<sret>it says not all updates cna be installed: could be because of unofficial pkg sources, or because a new version of a pkg has a new dependency or conflicts with an installed package, you can run a smart upgrade to install the new dependencies and remove conflicts where needed..
12:18<sret>cahoot: yeah via synaptic
12:18<sret>safe-upgrade is apt-get
12:18<cahoot>ok unkown country for me
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12:21<sret>after squeeze is released i should be able to add volatile and backports to the sources.list right?
12:22<timon>sret: yes
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12:23<timon>you could also add them now; in due time the 404 messages should disappear
12:23<themill>you can right now if you like -- the archives are already there
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12:23<timon>(the 404 messages should have disappeared now)
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12:26<tomykas>can you help me with debian install?
12:27<tomykas>i have wd caviar 1tb sata3 disk drives WD1002FAEX
12:27<tomykas>ant linux installiation doesnt recognise them
12:28<tomykas>windows 7 recognizes them flawlessly
12:28<jhutchins_lt>tomykas: More likely to be the driver for the bus controller than the specific drives.
12:28<tomykas>what do you mean, where should i get those bus controller drivers?
12:29<sret>timon, themill ok cool
12:30<jhutchins_lt>tomykas: You need to figure out what the problem is, and what drivers you need.
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12:30<sney>sata3 might be too new for 2.6.26, probably needs squeeze/kmuto
12:30<sney>but the real important question is what the disk controller is, which you can find out from your motherboard vendor
12:31<jhutchins_lt>tomykas: Start with the make and model of your motherboard. Try various live CD's to see if you can find a release that can see the drives.
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12:31<tomykas>my motherboard asus p6x58d-3
12:31<tomykas>my motherboard asus p6x58d-e
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12:32<jhutchins_lt>tomykas: good, now go find what chipset it uses, and see if there is a linux kernel that supports it.
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12:32<jhutchins_lt>tomykas: I believe has information about supported hardware.
12:35<tomykas>i see
12:35<tomykas>but cant find supported hardware info
12:35<sney>research your motherboard and find out what the sata3 controller is
12:35<sney>this should be easy with a few minutes of google
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12:36<sney>then search for 'controllername' 'linux' and you'll probably find your answer
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12:41<tomykas>Marvell 9128 PCIe SATA 6Gb/s controller (Drive Xpert Technology)
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12:42<tomykas>sney, what should i be looking for?
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12:43<tomykas> got someone with same problem
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12:47<tomykas>can you help me?
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12:49<sney>tomykas: I'm looking around and it seems if you enable AHCI mode in your bios it might work
12:50<sney>I don't know where that is for your motherboard, you'll have to look around or check the manual
12:50<dominick>Is there an easy way to do repetitive manipulations on a text file that has thousands of lines without taking the pains to write a c/java program?
12:50<sney>dominick: yeah, with shell scripting and awk/sed, though depending on what you're doing it's not really 'easy'
12:50<tomykas>sney, AHCI is enabled in bios
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12:53<tomykas>and in manual nothing is written more
12:53<sney>well I'm not sure
12:53<dominick>sney, i've got a csv file (table structure really), with 128 fields in a line, which I want to load into a database. The DB table has three columns. The first three columns must go in the first column of the table, the next 8 in the second and the rest in the third. I figured a way to do that is to enclose those many fields in the csv file in quotes!
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12:56<sney>dominick: well, good luck
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12:58<dominick>sney, I get a lot of csvs to process, so me thinks it's worth investing the time in awk/sed (thanks dpkg), but what's the difference between the two?
12:58<Web-aptosid681>Hi, how can I tell linux to make memory, which was allocated and then deallocated by a programm, available for other programs again?
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13:00<cahoot>I think the kernel does so
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13:12<ram>how can i format the disk as ntfs?
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13:12<hdon>hi all. privoxy has started crashing on me constantly. i ran it from the command line with --no-daemon and ulimit -c 100000 but still no core file despite segmentation fault -- can anyone advise me how to move forward diagnosing the problem?
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13:12<rsh>hhell test 1 2 3
13:12<rsh>anybody out there
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13:13<sney>ram: only windows can format ntfs volumes currently
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13:14<sney>hdon: most likely there's some corruption, reboot to single-user mode and run a full fsck on your drives
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13:16<hdon>sney, i don't have any other programs crashing, and i'm on a RAID (this is through a great hosting company)
13:16<hdon>sney, i could calculate the checksum of the binary and all of its dependent libs
13:16<hdon>sney, any idea where i can get checksums for those files?
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13:17<ram>sney, that's why i'm asking about ntfs. sorry, but i can't use this: debian.
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13:19<sney>hdon: or grab another copy of the same binary and do a diff -q
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13:19<catsup>hdon: there might be checksums in /var/lib/dpkg/info/privoxy.md5sums
13:19*hdon tries both
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13:20<catsup>you can check the integrity of a package with 'debsums packagename'
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13:20<catsup>not all packages come with md5sums, though. (you can configure your machine to generate them on install)
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13:29<katsrc>is anyone good with mpd here?
13:29<katsrc>i'm trying to stream audio some are ogg, flac, and most are mp3s and it' unable to stream.
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13:29<katsrc>are the debian packages without vorbis, FLAC, and mp3 support?
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13:30<sney>mp3 can be hairy sometimes due to license restrictions, but vorbis and flac should be right there
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13:42<jhutchins_lt>sney: There is mkfs.ntfs
13:42<jhutchins_lt>sney: Which is to say linux can format ntfs volumes too.
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13:43<sney>jhutchins_lt: oh? news to me
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13:44<sney>must be a -3g related thing
13:44<jhutchins_lt>Been around for quite a while actually, but not necessarily mainstream.
13:45<sney>how well does it work
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13:57<sret>i upgraded to grub2 but will it use the old GRUB legacy configs?
13:57<sret>cause i didnt mention a command line when it asked to configure grub 2
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13:59<sney>it migrates your grub-legacy config and adds a default troubleshooting option if it's not there. configuration is now in /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d
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13:59<sret>ok i was installing PAM and its stopped in between asking " Services to restart for PM library upgrade: " what am i supposed to here?
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13:59<sney>if you don't know, just accept the default
13:59<sret>sney: ok
13:59<sret>sney: just hit return/
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14:00<sret>ok another question: cnfiguring sysv-rc, it asks " Migrating legacy boot sequencing to dependency-based sequencing? " yes?
14:01<sret>ok it says its recommended
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14:10<sret>it asks me if i should replace the /etc/login.defs, if i do do i lose anything?
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14:11<Black_Prince>If you modified it, then you will
14:11<Black_Prince>Else, it is just new default configuration file
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14:11<sret>what is it though
14:12<Black_Prince>man login.defs
14:12<sret>shadow password suite, i dont recall ever using this, unless its part of the login procedure or something?
14:13<Black_Prince>It says 'This file is required'
14:13<sret>why do i even need this if i have PAM?
14:13<Black_Prince>shadow uses pam
14:14<sret>ok shadow is no longer used by login, passwd or su
14:14<sret>guess im good then
14:14<Black_Prince>login and passwd are built from shadow package
14:14<sret>i told it to replace the original
14:15<sret>in which case do i lose anything?
14:16<cthuluh>even if you had modified this file, a backup would have been made
14:16<sret>hi cthuluh
14:16<sret>got the latency issue resolved
14:16<sret>had to disable ipv6 in the browser too
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14:17<sret>hey babilen
14:17<sret>btw when i can get a network manager icon for squeeze, after the release it'll be fixed?
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14:18<babilen>sret: What do you want to be fixed?
14:19<sret>well for squeeze it doesnt show up, there's a bug related to it isnt it
14:19<sret>i was updating and it said it cannot be configured and just cancelled out
14:19<sney>he also wants it to hold his hand and explain everything
14:19<sret>for the network manager
14:20<PentiumXXX>i got the same problem
14:20<Black_Prince>Are you using gnome or xfce?
14:20<PentiumXXX>so i installed wicd
14:20<PentiumXXX>everything fine now
14:20<babilen>sret: I thought you aren't using network manager because you are happy with your wired interface that is configured in /etc/network/interfaces?
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14:21<sret>oh god will replacing alsa-base.conf mess up my last confg?
14:21<sney>usually there is a 'compare' option when debconf does these things
14:21<Black_Prince>Again same answer as for /etc/login.defs
14:21*babilen wonders what he stumbled into
14:21<sret>sney: i see the difference but i dont quite understand it, else i wouldnt ask
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14:21<sney>of course
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14:21<Black_Prince>Kernels are different, so the configuration is different also
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14:22<sret>ok so what happens to the old kernel then? is it removed?
14:22<babilen>sret: I still don't understand what your problem with network-manager is about
14:22<Black_Prince>Not by default, but there will be problems if you try booting with old kernel
14:22<Black_Prince>Don't forget to install new kernel
14:23<sret>babilen: well the icon last didnt show it was connected, with the red marking on it, though i had internet
14:24<babilen>sret: network-manager does not show that you are connected because you are *not* using it.
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14:24<Black_Prince>*sigh* I tought network manager automagicaly takes over all connections
14:25<babilen>sret: You have 2 options: 1. Use network-manager (it is explained in /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian.* how to set it up) or 2. Use a different applet to show your network connection or 3. Don't give a fuck
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14:25<Black_Prince>That's 3 options
14:26<babilen>sret: I would strongly advocate against using network-manager, because you just don't need it. Your network is working fine AFAICT and /etc/network/interfaces is *exactly* the most suitable and elegant way of configuring it for your use-case.
14:26<babilen>Black_Prince: I know
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14:27<Dark0n3>Hi guys, im working on installing debian on a old thin client from compaq, and it more or less works, the only thing without any luck so far i the ethernet card, its using the natsemi driver, and ifconfig eth0 does see the card, and its ip address, but when i try ifconfig eth0 up it gives me, cannot assign requested address, any ideas ?
14:27<__diego__>hey there guys, I'm looking for a library (any language is fine) to break captcha (for a university project, not for spamming or doing ugly things)
14:28<__diego__>do you have any library to recommend ?
14:28<sney>no idea, diego
14:28<Black_Prince>__diego__ only one I know, does now exist
14:28<babilen>Black_Prince: I added "3. Don't give a fuck" and did not edit the beginning of the sentence. Excuse this detail, I'll make sure that confusing statements like that will not be uttered anymore ;)
14:28<jhutchins_lt>Dark0n3: Sounds like your configuration isn't right.
14:28<Black_Prince>It's ok, just kidding
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14:28<Dark0n3>jhutchins_lt: It should be, im not sure where the fault could be.
14:29<jhutchins_lt>Dark0n3: Your address configuration.
14:29<sret>babilen: yeh but i'd like that icon, but that icon only works with network-manager-gnome?
14:29<Black_Prince>Dark0n3 what's dmesg output?
14:29<Black_Prince>!pastebin it
14:29<Dark0n3>jhutchins_lt: In interfaces ?
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14:29<sret>Black_Prince: i had to install the new kernel while upgrading from lenny to squeeze
14:29<jhutchins_lt>Dark0n3: Possibly. If elsewhere (Network Manager) that could be the problem.
14:29<Dark0n3>Dmesg output is fine, the error only comes when i try to bring up the interface, the natsemi module loads fine, and finds the ethernet card.
14:29<babilen>sret: It *is* the network-manager icon. IIRC there is another gnome-applet that shows the network connection. Right click on the panel, choose "add applet" and have a look
14:30<sret>babilen: ok 3. will do:P
14:30<sret>i'll check
14:30<Dark0n3>jhutchins_lt: Its in console, no X installed.
14:30<jhutchins_lt>Dark0n3: network manager does not require x.
14:30<jhutchins_lt>... or X for that matter.
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14:31<Dark0n3>jhutchins_lt: Then it should be a bug , but im not so sure.
14:31<jhutchins_lt>Dark0n3: Determine if network manager is installed/running, pastebin your interfaces file.
14:31<sret>babilen: oh yeah i see the wired network connection icon
14:31<Black_Prince>I had similar problem
14:31<sret>thats all i needed
14:31<Dark0n3>jhutchins_lt: Unless it installes it self with a basic install then its not.
14:31<babilen>sret: wonderful
14:31<Black_Prince>But I was using Realtek RTL-8139 card
14:32<Black_Prince>I got it solved by upgrading kernel from 2.6.32-5-686 ( to 2.6.32-5-686 (
14:32<Black_Prince>Althrough I had to download kernel .debs on other machine and install them via usb
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14:33<Dark0n3>I would prefer downgrading to 2.4 but im not sure if thats possible on lenny
14:34<sret>lol i think i installed 2gb of pkgs or something
14:34<Black_Prince>Well, I backed up all packages that I have installed on a CD ... There are 1200 of them
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14:35<sret>ok its a lil slower than before after updating the pkgs, is it because im launching them for the first time after the update?
14:35<Black_Prince>sret what's solwer?
14:36<amphi>sret: probably, because they aren't in the file cache
14:36<Black_Prince>typos love me today
14:37<Dark0n3>Thats strange, the ethernet device don't have a mac addr.
14:37<Black_Prince>That was my problem also
14:37<Black_Prince>A bug in the driver
14:37<Black_Prince>I think ...
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14:38<sret>amphi: ok
14:38<sret>Blacker47: just the pkgs
14:38<Blacker47>I'm another one
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14:39<Dark0n3>I think the same, set the hw by hand, and now the interface is up.
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14:40<Dark0n3>That driver is no good, maybe i should try a older version of debian
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14:49<rino>ciao a tutti
14:49<sret>nice not one pkg is broken
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14:51<sander_m>Hi. I need some help with Squeeze desktop (gnome). I hooked up my camera to my laptop. There was a popup asking me what to do. I chose "nothing". Then I started gtkam in order to import my photos, but it keeps saying that the device is busy. How do I solve this? I *hate* photo managers like Shotwell. I much prefer gtkam or something similar.
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14:53<amphi>sander_m: you can't just mount it as a block device?
14:53<retrospectacus>try unplug and replug and choose something instead of nothing?
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14:54<jhutchins_lt>gtkam is usually one of the choices offered if it's installed.
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14:54<jhutchins_lt>I just use a file manager for mine, but currently squeeze wont maintain the connection if I try to copy the files.
14:54<nadav>Intel just released their OpenCL 1.1 runtime ... for windows only ....
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14:56<sander_m>amphi: Yup, that works. Automatically even, from Nautilus. Thanks!
14:56*dpkg waves a finger in the air. "Yay."
14:57<sander_m>jhutchins_lt: gtkam wasn't listed. Only "Do Nothing", "Shotwell" or "File browser"
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14:58<jhutchins_lt>sander_m: Configuring those things is even more opaque in Gnome than KDE.
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14:59<sander_m>jhutchins_lt: It's somewhere under "System -> Preferences". But I don't have a Gnome menu as I am using Awesome as my Window Manager. I don't know what the command is to start that configuration panel.
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15:05<sret>just wondering, yday i downloaded the firmware realtek .deb fileand copied it to debiana nd have it installed, i can get rid of the file on the desktop eh?
15:05<sret>i suppose i can
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15:08<babilen>sret: yes
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15:10<sret>oh brother
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15:10<sret>sound issue again
15:10<nutzer>hi! is there a gui based alternative for growisofs to burn dvd dual layer?
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15:11<Cozminsky>I like k3b
15:11<Black_Prince>sret, what's the problem?
15:12<sret>no sound like before, let me check
15:13<nutzer>can i set the layer break manualy in k3b?
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15:16<Black_Prince>sret, you may want to look at this
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15:19<PentiumXXX>i have a question is not really debian relatted but i will ask cause it's a software on debian i use openoffice ans i would like to open a database .mdb it is possible ? caus i try and it don't seem to work
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15:22<rpetre>PentiumXXX: try kexi (from kde office) with the mdb plugin, or mdbtools
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15:22<PentiumXXX>i am on gnome
15:22<PentiumXXX>and i must find a gnome app cause it wil go on prod computer
15:23<rpetre>openoffice by default cannot open mdb files
15:23<PentiumXXX>maybe a plugin ?
15:23<rpetre>PentiumXXX: maybe with libmdbodbc and then via odbc
15:24<rpetre>but i'm just copy-pasting from the package list, can't say if it works
15:24<retrospectacus>PentiumXXX: apt-cache show
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15:25<sret>ok right now USB speaker is sitting at 1
15:25<sret>the default is supposed to be 0, it doesnt see my on board sound card which is a good thing
15:27<sret>yeah thats it when i aplay a sound file it cant "find the card 0" is what it says among zillion pcm errors
15:28<sret>thought it reinstalled asoundrc but it didnt, so could it be that? change it to 0/
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15:34<lwithers>is anybody having trouble reaching ?
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15:35<sret>babilen: wanna shed some light on the sound issue? :?
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15:35<vtts>lwithers, works for me
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15:36<lwithers>I think it's working, but some access is very very slow
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15:36<babilen>sret: there is a "troubleshooting" section on the wiki (alsa article)
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15:37<sret>babilen: all talks about a asound.irc edition
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15:37<sret>remember you had me remove that all together
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15:39<vtts>lwithers, speed is fine too
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15:39<lwithers>yeah, might have been a momentary glitch; seems to have cleared up now
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15:40<sret>i dont have an asound.conf or asound.rc
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15:44<babilen>sret: No, it talks about indices. -- You know the drill, provide all information we might need.
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15:46<sret>let me load up alsa info script
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15:51<lwithers>vtts, there is some low level packet loss, perhaps at LINX; mystery solved
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15:51<vtts>how low?
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15:52<lwithers>I'm not sure, enough to stall the odd TCP connection
15:53<vtts>you could try checking with ping -c 1000 -i 0.2
15:53<sret>babilen: ^link posted
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15:53<lwithers>vtts, getting about 1.5% packet loss on LINX just a second ago, but now onwards has spiked to >15% loss
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15:54<lwithers>vtts, <-- see right-hand edge of that graph
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15:54<vtts>530 packets transmitted, 529 received, 0% packet loss, time 106326ms
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16:06<babilen>sret: Hei, I'm busy and your paste is empty. You might want to try to paste it again and ask in #debian on
16:07<sret>no i see the errors at the bottomw
16:08<sret>it opened for me
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16:09<sret>that is weird, it just opened for me 5 mins ago
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16:14<ballison>i have an apt-get question. dpkg will not let me install this package because it had a file that would overwrite a file that's already owned by another package. is there an option you can pass apt-get that says "just do it! overwrite!"
16:14<ballison>like in redhat's --force
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16:16<babilen>sret: As before, and as explained in the alsa troubleshooting section on the Debian wiki, you want snd-usb-audio to have index=0
16:16<babilen>sret: I mentioned the troubleshooting section, because I *knew* that it is the problem.
16:16<babilen>sret: Good luck.
16:18<babilen>ballison: Which package is that? (That is a policy violation)
16:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 491] by debhelper
16:19<babilen>ballison: Or rather: Which packageS :)
16:19<sret>babilen: as i said i dont have asound.rc
16:19<sret>the wiki link talks about asound.rc
16:19<sret>i know i have to change it to 0, question is where because everywhere it talks about asound.rc
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16:20<babilen>sret: I am not talking about asound.rc and neither is the wiki. <- that link *READ IT*
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16:20<sret>im reading that
16:20<sret>i dont have modprobe.d/sound!
16:20<sret>i have alsa-base.conf and sound.conf
16:21<sret>inside sound.conf
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16:21<sret>alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel and next options snd-hda-intel index=1
16:22<babilen>sret: Also see /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf last line
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16:22<sret>yes i was there awhile ago
16:22<sret>did it say in the link? no
16:22<sret>i was in alsa-conf but as you can see it says to prevent it from loading
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16:23<babilen>sret: You want your USB soundcard to have index 0 don't you? So change it :)
16:23<sret>i didnt know how to modify that to make snd-usb-audio to 0, cause every link on google says to modify asound.rc
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16:23<sret>babilen: from -2 to 0?
16:23<sret>i did that 2 mins ago and it didnt work before you told me
16:24<ballison>babilen: it's a homemade package someone else made
16:24<sret>do i need to comment out Keep snd-usb-audio from being loaded as first soundcard?
16:24<ballison>balilen: i need to install it but it conflicts. is there a --ignore_conflicts or --overwrite or --force or anything like that for apt-get?
16:25<babilen>sret: no, do not uncomment that. just set the index to 0
16:25<wolfsrudel>man apt-get
16:25<sret>tried that, should i force-load alsa then?
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16:27<babilen>ballison: That package is of very bad quality. Anyhow, you probably want "--force-overwrite" (see man dpkg) -- You can pass it to dpkg from apt-get like: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite"
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16:28<babilen>ballison: I would recommend to fix the package though.
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16:29<babilen>sret: No, remove and reinsert the module + alsa reload (modprobe -r, modprobe)
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16:32<sret>how do i remove and reinsert it? i forgot
16:32<Black_Prince>rmmod module-here && modprobe module-here
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16:33<sret>which module though
16:33<Black_Prince>lsmod | grep snd
16:33<sret>oh snd-usb-audio?
16:33<sret>ah snd_snd_audio
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16:35<sret>says its in in USE
16:35<babilen>remove: "modprobe -r MODULE" insert: "modprobe MODULE"
16:37<sret>rmmod modprobe -r snd_usb_audio?
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16:38<Black_Prince>just reboot, it will save you lot of trouble
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16:38<sret>but is that how it works?
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16:38<Black_Prince>rmmod snd-usb-audio && modprobe snd-usb-audio
16:39<Black_Prince>note, it is '-' not '_'
16:39<Elena5>Does anyone know if this package is in the debian repos : ? I couldn't find it
16:39<sret>i see it as _ here
16:39<babilen>Black_Prince: "man rmmod" -> "Most users will want to use modprobe(8) with the -r option instead
16:40<sret>snd_usb_audiostill says in use
16:40*Black_Prince takes a note to look at "man rmmod"
16:40<sret>errors out, its in use
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16:41<Black_Prince>Ok, noted to recommend 'modprobe -r' instead of 'rmmod'
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16:41<Black_Prince>sret, reboot
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16:42<sret>modprobe -r snd_usb_audio errors out saying its in use
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16:42<sret>or even if i do it in snd-usb-audio
16:43<babilen>Elena5: Does not seem to be packaged. Guess you can install it yourself -- /msg dpkg stow
16:43<sret>i should just reboot even if it errors out saying its in use?
16:43<sret>basically it hasnt removed it then has it it
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16:47<babilen>sret: "alsa force-reload" (as root)
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16:47<babilen>but rebooting is most likely the easiest solution.
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16:53<sret>babilen thanks!! thanks Black_Prince
16:54<sret> works
16:54<Black_Prince>you are welcome
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16:54<jrabbit>I'm having issues with grub-pc's post instsall script
16:54<jrabbit>its hanging
16:54<sret>ok sweet learnt rmmod
16:55<sret>why is it if it errored out saying its in use, it worked after reboot?
16:55<sret>i dont understand that bit, if its in use, it cant be removed, shouldnt that be the logic
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16:56<Black_Prince>When you reboot your pc, all modules are unloaded, all programs closed
16:56<Black_Prince>When you start it again, udev loads them again
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16:58<patrunjel>hi everywone
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16:59<sret>ah ok
16:59<sret>if it unloads it, then why does it say its in use?
16:59<patrunjel>please, i don't want to bother /annoy you :) i'm using Ubuntu, but the ubuntu server isn't working. This is what it says: Connection failed. Error: (336130315) error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number
16:59<patrunjel> Are you sure this is a SSL capable server and port? I'm using XChat, can anywone please help me?
16:59<jrabbit>there rolled back to grub-legacy
17:01<babilen>sret: "alsa force-reload" would have worked. And mark: "modprobe -r" is the standard way to remove modules and "modprobe" the standard way to insert them.
17:01<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
17:02<babilen>patrunjel: Try asking on an Ubuntu channel please! You can find one on -- /connect -- /join #ubuntu
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17:03<patrunjel>babilen, i can't connect to the ubuntu server, this is why i asked over here (ubuntu being somehow a kid of debian :) ) sorry :)
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17:03<babilen>patrunjel: You mean you can't connect to ? Or what do you mean by "Ubuntu server" ?
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17:04<babilen>patrunjel: I don't quite understand what your problem is. Are you using Ubuntu or Debian? What are you trying to achieve and what is the error you get?
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17:06<patrunjel>babilen, I am trying to connect to the Ubuntu irc server (the thing bigger than the channels), but i can't because i get this Connection failed. Error: (336130315) error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number
17:06<patrunjel> Are you sure this is a SSL capable server and port? I use XChat as a irc client, and Ubuntu 10.10 as a OS
17:06<Black_Prince>I think he has been trying to connect to 'Ubuntu Servers' (Via xchat) via SSL, but something went wrong
17:06<Black_Prince>And 'Ubuntu Servers' points to
17:06<sret>babilen: gotcha
17:07<Black_Prince>patrunjel do /server +6697
17:07<Black_Prince>I'd recommend to open new server tab
17:07<patrunjel> /server +6697
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17:08<babilen>Black_Prince: /connect might have been a good idea -- let's see if he makes it ;)
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17:08<Black_Prince>It does the same?
17:08<mib_0hdguw>Hello to everybody. I got a trouble with exim4, it sends my mails with this header "Received: from www by DOMAIN.COM with local (Exim 4.72)" and i got my message marked as spam or not delivered. Can anybody help ?
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17:08<Black_Prince>I always used /server ... It does what I want - Connect me to an irc network
17:08<babilen>Black_Prince: /connect allows for multiple connection.
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17:11<ian>Hello everybody, I'm trying to build a Render Cluster, I'm having trouble with the administration program, (trying the afanasy and Dr.Quegue) do you know of another gnu one I can try?
17:12<mib_0hdguw>damn merdoc is it you ?
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17:14<flaccid>is there an rss feed or mailing list i can subscribe to for notification when squeeze is released?
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17:14<mib_0hdguw>squeeze release planned for 5th/6th Feb 2011
17:14<And1>Hi folks, anyone knows why I get this error: "shopt: not found" (on my localhost, on my webserver it works). The commane in the script is "shopt -s extglob nullglob"
17:15<babilen>flaccid: You can follow Debian's account
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17:16<babilen>And1: bash vs dash and #!/bin/sh in the script?
17:16<flaccid>babilen: ty
17:16<And1>babilen: I'm using bash and yes there's "#!/bin/sh" in the script.
17:17<user01>mmm, is it looking like it will eb ready the 5th?
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17:17<user01>i dont want to disappoint my minions sunday for superinstallfestbowl
17:17<babilen>And1: Well, replace "sh" with "bash" if you want to use bashisms
17:18<And1>babilen: Ok, thanks. :)
17:18<babilen>And1: The problem is that "sh" may start "dash" or "bash" and you see different behaviour with scripts that use bash specific commands/syntax
17:19<And1>Oh, I see.
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17:19<babilen>!tell And1 -about dash
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17:20<babilen>flaccid: (if you haven't found it already)
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17:21<And1>babilen: Thanks. =)
17:21<flaccid>babilen: yeps thanks quite handy. just waiting for opera to restart so i can subscribe
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17:25<babilen>flaccid: + (if you want to party with others)
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17:38<sret>is pfsense any better than shorewall?
17:38<sret>or iptables
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17:38<ian>Hello everybody, I'm trying to build a Render Cluster, I'm having trouble with the administration program, (trying the afanasy and Dr.Quegue) do you know of another gnu one I can try?
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17:39<Morpheus>Hello !
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17:43<babilen>sret: shorewall is as good as iptables and basically the same thing (one is a front-end to the other) -- pfsense is a BSD firewall. it is, like pf, different. some people prefer the syntax+commands of pf if compared to iptables.
17:43<sret>babilen: yeah its a bit easier looking at pfsense
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17:43<sret>and the channel is huge in comparison to netfilter on freenode
17:43<babilen>ian: That is quite a specific question. I would rather ask it on a Rendering related mailing list. (I can't suggest one, sorry)
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17:45<ompaul>sret: it would depend on your use case. If you want very specific rules then iptables may be better, if you want "what regular people do en-block" then shorewall. At the end of the say the irc channel is huge says nothing, netfilter is the core of both.
17:46<ompaul>shorewall is basically a set of pre written shorewall rules
17:46<ompaul>wioops iptables rules but you worked that out already I hope
17:46<sret>na i mean pfsense
17:46<sret>iptables is confusing
17:46<ompaul>sret: you need to be in #freebsd or #openbsd for that
17:46<sret>i have a good white paper to make a nice rule set but its still confusing
17:47<sret>there's pfsense for linux too
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17:47<ompaul>sret: a good white paper to make a nice rule set ... so you are not going to write your own?
17:47<sret>well he paper only tells you how and why
17:47<babilen>sret: You *want* your fw to live in the kernel
17:47<sret>you have to edit it to your liking
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18:01<jesperj>how can I check what packages are installed on a system from "contrib" and "non-free"?
18:01<Myon>try "vrms"
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18:03<kva>babilen: I got 2 new screenshots for the bug with images with stripes, it's surely upstream, can you guide me?
18:03<kva>one is from skype and one is from iceweasel text
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18:06<jesperj>thanks Myon
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18:11<jesperj>So, since sun-java6-bin is in "non-free" and the Debian Security FAQ says: "Contrib and non-free aren't official parts of the Debian Distribution and are not released, and thus not supported by the security team. Some non-free packages are distributed without source or without a license allowing the distribution of modified versions. In those cases no security fixes can be made at all. If it is possible to fix the problem, and the pac
18:11<jesperj>kage maintainer or someone else provides correct updated packages, then the security team will generally process them and release an advisory.", this means that java runtime package for example, in case a remote exploit is found, might not get a security fix for Debian? The security team will not work on it, it relies on the package maintainer or "someone else" to fix it?
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18:12<terry234i>hello world
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18:12<terry234i>anyone in here?
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18:18<timon>there's many many people here, terry, but there's not always a chance of catching one within 4 minutes...
18:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:29<dpkg><trueno> Hi! Is there any good substitute for MS WebExpression in Linux? <Supaplex> it wastes money. sorry, linux doesn't have a lot to offer there.
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18:35<Lantizia>hey when you see a version like this... Version: 4:3.3.7-1
18:35<Lantizia>what does the 4 indicate?
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18:45<Tiff>Lantizia: That is what is referred to as the epoch version number. Search Chapter 5 of Debian Policy Manual for further info.
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18:48<Lantizia>Tiff, thanks think it makes sense
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18:55<kva>where I can report a bug against "I'don't know which" package?
18:56<petemc>you've exhausted all possible methods of determining which package it is?
18:57<kva>well, it's not skype, it's not weasel..
18:57<kva>likely it's x or kernel related
18:57<kva>petemc: interested in details?
18:58<petemc>my knowledge of all things xorg is limited
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18:58<kva>well, so am mine
18:59<kva>so I want to report it in bts and live with it till it's repaired
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18:59<flaccid>thanks babilen
19:00<kva>I have 3 screenshots from different programs with same failure
19:00<babilen>kva: It is no problem to reassign a bug, so you can just pick a package that you find most appropriate.
19:00<kva>well, I don't know which is appropriate
19:01<petemc>kva: display artifacts usually stem from display driver
19:01<kva>babilen: I thought it's iceweasel before I catched it's in skype
19:01<kva>well, x display or kernel display?
19:01<babilen>kva: I would report it against xserver-xorg or xserver-xorg-video-??? (replace ??? with the appropriate value)
19:02<mjt>isn't it basically the same thing nowadays -- x and kernel "display" ? :)
19:02<kva>ok, need a screen from skype?
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19:03<kva>well, where I shall sign? give me a link and a pen :-)
19:03<kva>I am kidding
19:04<kva>mjt: well I have problems with kernel with video too
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19:05<kva>before x, and with newer kernels it's just turned into black screen problem
19:06<dpkg>[KMS] Kernel Mode Setting, where the initialization of graphical modes is performed by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter.
19:06<babilen>kva: ^^^ worth a try.
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19:07<kva>maybe, I'll try
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19:08<kva>anyway, any ideas what causes both bugs?
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19:09<kva>I have all details but I don't know how to report them
19:09<dpkg>used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web,, or see for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>.
19:09<Lantizia>hey i'm assuming if package A on version 5 depends on package B at version 4... and package B at version 4 depends on package A at version 5... and currently A is on 4 and B is on 3... and you try to upgrade the system... there would be deadlock because APT won't know which to upgrade first?
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19:10<babilen>kva: It might be a problem in your configuration though. I will not start supporting it now. You might find somebody else here or on
19:10<petemc>kva: did you see the suggestion above to try different boot options?
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19:13<kva>well, I saw it, but anyway
19:14<kva>it could help but if it helps for me who could ask you here and try different kernels and boot options that doesn't means that it should work by default and work
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19:15<petemc>if you want everything to do just work i wouldnt go messing with newer kernels
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19:23<prahal_>hi any ldap admin who knows how to access cn=config from phpldapadmin or ApacheDS ?
19:25<prahal_>upstream only tells how to for LDAPBrowser/Editor which is not in debian (not open source at all)
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19:56<Warp4>yay squeeze! :)
19:57<babilen>!beer everyone
19:57*dpkg pours a litre of Bornem Tripple for everyone
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19:57<retrospectacus>whoa now, it's not release day yet
19:57<babilen>pre-party :)
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19:58<daemonkeeper>Yes. Let's celebrate the last day, software in Squeeze not being outdated but the future :o)
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20:00<nl>No release parties in the wiki for San Francisco/Oakland/Palo Alto/Sacramento area. ;(
20:01<koollman>daemonkeeper: oh, it's outdated already, don't worry ;)
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20:15<gamambel>anyone familiar with ARIN WHOIS by any chance?
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20:16<reklipz1>gamambel: what about it...
20:16<gamambel>when i eg. whois, i get a full record including org, abusehandle etc
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20:17<gamambel>my delegated ip range does not ( whois )
20:17<gamambel>how do i get that info to display?
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20:19<reklipz1>gamambel: try another whois service
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20:20<gamambel>ah okay
20:20<gamambel>it hasn't been distributed fully then?
20:20<gamambel>not sure how whois works...
20:21<gamambel>why does my record show up below the other one?
20:21<gamambel>mine is netname DRTORNYC1, it shows net DEFAULTROUTE on top
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20:22<reklipz1>gamambel: probably because it's been reassigned from the one above it
20:23<nirvani>with Debian 6.0, and kFreeBSD as an option. Is it possible to swap out the FreeBSD 8.1 kernel with 9.0 easily?
20:23<gamambel>reklipz1: so i have to get my own ip space from ARIN directly to make only my information display, right?
20:23<nirvani>(because we do this with linux kernels all day, we want it to be easy) :)
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20:25<gamambel>reklipz1: so i can never achieve that with PA space?
20:25<reklipz1>gamambel: i have no idea
20:25<reklipz1>gamambel: sorry
20:25<gamambel>np :)
20:26<reklipz1>could try #dns or something, idk
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20:27<retrospectacus>#networking on freenode
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20:36<daemonkeeper>##networking actually.
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22:31<nicii>I'm using the hd-media install for testing/squeeze on an 8GB flash drive. I dd'd the image after a gunzip(boot.img.gz) to the device(/dev/sdb), but booting it has it scanning my HDD(/dev/sda) for a iso image... continually mounting things to /cdrom.
22:31<nicii>I put a .iso on the flash drive and, before it checks, mounted it to /cdrom, but that did not help.
22:32<nicii>the .iso was a squeeze rc2 with the testing installer, a mini.iso
22:32<nicii>16MiB, just wanted to see if it would bother working. What gives? Should I download netinstall and do unetbootin?
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22:33<nicii>(to get it on my flash drive)
22:33<nicii>BRB I am going to harass my friend who has my USB dvd burner.
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22:45<Rhapsody>K3b's being nice and stupid. I've just ripped an ISO from a DVD, now I want to burn it to a blank DVD+R. K3b can see the DVD+R, and has confirmed it to be blank. I create a new project, select the ISO, choose to burn directly to disc... and K3b lists "Please insert an empty DVD or Blu-ray medium" under Burn Medium.
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22:45<Rhapsody>You know, like the blank DVD+R in the drive right now. The one K3b just confirmed was there, and is blank, and is ready for an image to be burned to it?
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22:45<dvs>nicii: you can dd the squeeze iso directly to the USB flash drive
22:45<nicii>dvs: the netinstall?
22:45<nicii>dvs: I can dd netinstall?! :D
22:46<dvs>nicii: yes, supposidly. I haven't tried it myself
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22:46<nicii>dvs: I'll try
22:47<gsimmons>dvs, nicii: I don't believe the mini.iso images are isohybrid modified, but businesscard, netinst etc on amd64 and i386 are usable as USB images.
22:47<Rhapsody>So I don't know what's going on with K3b. I've got it listing the details of the blank DVD+R in my drive as I type this, but as soon as I try to start a new burn project, K3b decides there's nothing in the drive.
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22:49<nicii>gsimmons: I was just throwing mini.iso on the boot.img'd thumbdrive because the installer was thirsting for a .iso for some reason(??)
22:49<Rhapsody>I really didn't expect my project to get derailed at this point. But then that's probably my fault. I always get disappointed when I expect a reasonable level of a competence from my applications.
22:49<nicii>Rhapsody: Does Brasero work?
22:50<kop>nicii: Read the install guide for squeeze. It will tell you what is sure to work.
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22:50<gsimmons>nicii: hd-media images do require a CD image for their use (to acquire at least d-i components and possibly the base system).
22:50<Rhapsody>nicii: Not a damn clue.
22:51<nicii>gsimmons: Hmmm, okay. Makes sense, however like kop suggested I'll need to read the install guide(which hopefully details it), however I don't know where the install guide is off the top of my head.
22:51<nicii>I'll spelunk through
22:51<kop>nicii: ^^
22:51<nicii>kop: thanks
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22:52<kop>nicii: You know your architecture?
22:52<nicii>kop: I'm using amd64, but only because I plan to add another 2GB stick into this thinkpad
22:53<kop>nicii: (New to Debian? can be a very useful overview.)
22:53<nicii>gnu/linux, not kfreebsd
22:54<nicii>I've installed Debian mipsel on a YeeLoong, I'm not too new, just lazy.
22:54<nicii>I mean that in a bad way. Not hacker lazy.
22:54<Rhapsody>Hm, the image is 5.7GB and the disc is 4.4GB, Brasero tells me there's not enough space. How the hell does that work? I ripped the image from a DVD-ROM, and it's too big for a DVD+R? They're the same fucking disc!
22:56<dvs>Rhapsody: DVD-ROMs are usually double layed
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22:56<Rhapsody>Also Brasero does the charming "Default system text on a yellow background regardless of what the system text colour is, even if it's white in which case the text is unreadable because the programmer is a dolt" thing.
22:56<nicii>Rhapsody: Check the sizes on the commandline, and see if they're DVD5s or DVD9s
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22:57<nicii>Rhapsody: I bet you're using a qt environment/app-ecosystem, you could theme brasero(gtk+) to look like your surrounding setup
22:57<kop>nicii: YeeLong? Is that like a nanonote?
22:57<nicii>kop: It is that little netbook richard stallman uses. It is based on the godson/loongson CPU from china. It has no non-free firmware and a libre BIOS.
22:57<Rhapsody>nicii: It does for the most part, the yellow-on-white thing appears to be a hardcoded thing that I wish programmers would STOP FUCKING DOING.
22:58<nicii>kop: The only reason I don't use it more is because the siliconmotion driver in xorg doesn't provide 2d or xv on the devices SMI712 LynxEM4+ GPU
22:58<nicii>Rhapsody: I haven't seen that.
22:58<nicii>I just do xterm -fg white -bg black
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23:03<Rhapsody>Eh, whatever. The ISO seems to be enough for my purposes, I guess I'll have to forego backups until I get some dual-layer DVD+Rs.
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23:04<nicii>So... AES256 w/ the mode -XTS will help me avoid watermarking attacks etc. I'm not using it over 1TB(hear about problems), but the d-i doesn't present the availability of it from cryptsetup... is there a well worn method of dropping to shell and going back to d-i during install so i don't fsck it up
23:05<nicii>btrfs on /home for compression: yea or nay?
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23:05<nicii>(I got netinstall.iso on my thumbdrive working. :D)
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23:06<nicii>hahahaha, i can only use my wifi card with wep during netinstall? is wpa_supplicant too much?
23:06<kop>nicii: I suppose it depends on how good your backups are. New is ungood in filesystems.
23:07<gsimmons>nicii: Use of WPA is not supported by Debian-Installer at this time.
23:07<nicii>kop: Yeah I'm pretty new to backups. I usually lazily do it when I'm reminded of the impermanence of my files.
23:07<nicii>gsimmons: Good to know.
23:07<nicii>I'll just install a slim system like I usually do
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23:08<kop>nicii: Extra hard drive(s) and rsync/rsnapshot/dirvish/etc.
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23:08<kop>nicii: (And cron of course so you don't have to think.)
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23:10<nicii>I'm going to have to say I don't think I can really fill 620GB of space that easy to /home
23:11<nicii>with 20GB to an LVM of /, /var, /usr
23:11<nicii>ramdisk mounted /var/tmp symlinked to /tmp
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23:15<nicii>doesn't even matter :|
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23:29<nicii>kop: I think I should be doing that anyway
23:29<nicii>(rsync/cron backups)
23:29<nicii>I just threw everything into / as encrypted. Meh?
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23:39<Robert>Hi, I have some trouble on installing Debian onto my laptop, Sony Vaio PCG-K13 and Debian won't play any system sounds for some reason.
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23:41<Robert>Could anyone please help me with this please? I'm new to this operating system and wanted to try out it.
23:41<amphi>!alsa checklist
23:41<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
23:42<amphi>if none of that helps, ask again
23:43<Robert>Ok, will do.
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