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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-02-05

---Logopened Sat Feb 05 00:00:40 2011
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00:22<Alex_PB>Hi. I'm pretty new to linux. Having trouble resizing an ext4 partition. Is this the right place to ask for help?
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00:25<Alex_PB>Anyone there?
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00:29<Gargamel>how do i add pam_mkhomedir.so to create home directories when ldap authenticated users log in for the first time?
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00:41<l0pht>Hello again, folks.
00:41<Gargamel>hi
00:46<l0pht>Adding proprietary ATI driver to lenny (x86_64). On Debian's wiki (http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary), the first step mentions adding "a non-free component to /etc/apt/sources.list".
00:46<l0pht>The line that is actually there...
00:46<l0pht>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free
00:47<l0pht>is that what i actually add to my sources.list?
00:48<l0pht>(i am just starting to install the driver, & haven't done anything yet)
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00:49<l0pht>actually, i'm going to assume that yes, it is.
00:49<l0pht>lol. based on the next step.
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00:52<Gargamel>!ati
00:52<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net).
00:53<l0pht>Gargamel: Thank you. I will do that.
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00:59<cd>Hi guys! I'm having some problems getting my (new, simple) mail gateway running corectly. I run exim4 on my debian gateway, shorewall is configured to allow smtp connections form outside to my debian box (and viceversa), but I didn't get any mail. I send to myself (cd@arwia.teleson.ro) some mails using my gmail account, but seems that this mail dissapears. Cannot find any trace of it in my debian logs and neither do I get some "error delivery" message either fro
00:59<cd>m google. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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01:03<bartm>cd, nothing in /var/mail/* ?
01:04<cd>bartm: no.
01:05<bartm>cd, nothing in /var/log/mail.* ?
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01:06<cd>bartm: yes, it is my "cd" file, but nothing in there...
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01:07<cd>bartm: just sent 2 mails from gateway to my google account and seems to stay in the queue for 15 minutes... something guess is wrong here; could be a firewall problem?
01:08<bartm>cd, can you send yourself an e-mail on localhost ?
01:09<bartm>cd, obviously it could be a firewall problem, yes
01:09<cd>bartm: guess so...; I receive all debian local mail on my PC running vista using imap...
01:11<bartm>cd, can you telnet to port 25 from outside ?
01:12<cd>bartm: for the moment, I can't be "outside". Maybe monday :).
01:12<bartm>cd, i'm outside :) trying now... seems firewalled
01:14<cd>bartm: don't understand what is missing or wrong in shorewall "rules" file. I mention there 2 rules to allow tcp/smtp traffic from/to my gateway.
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01:15<cd>bartm: any ideea?
01:16<bartm>cd, I would try disabling the firewall entirely, just to diagnose the problem
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01:17<cd>bartm: guess so...
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01:21<bartm>cd, ssh to arwia.teleson.ro is open
01:21<cd>bartm: yes, I know
01:21<cd>bartm: so it is http and ftp
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01:23<oOarthurOo>is something wrong with experimental? I can't find libreoffice or xfce4.8 in there
01:23<cd>bartm: but seems that smtp is stealth; guess that mean that is very good firewalled inspite my /etc/shorewall/rules modifications.
01:25<bartm>oOarthurOo, what do you mean by "can't find" ?
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01:33<oOarthurOo>bartm /etc/apt/sources.list contains this line: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian experimental main contrib non-free
01:33<oOarthurOo>then aptitude update && aptitude search libre | grep office returns nothing
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01:33<oOarthurOo>only version of xfce4 is 4.6
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01:35<bartm>oOarthurOo, apt-cache policy libreoffice
01:37<oOarthurOo>bartm well I'll be.... there it is. let me try that with xfce4
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01:43<oOarthurOo>thanks bartm ... that got libreoffice installed. I'll re-read the thread on the debian forums about how to install xfce4.8 I thought they said it was in experimental, but maybe I'm wrong
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01:44<oOarthurOo>apt-cache policy xfce4 turns up just 4.6 from the sid repo... which I enabled in order to satisfy some libreoffice dependencies
01:45<oOarthurOo>perhaps if I disable that repo, clean and update downloaded package lists, I'll get a different result
01:45<bartm>keep in mind that dependencies in experimental may be incomplete
01:47<oOarthurOo>yeah... I understand it can be broken. I'm just surprised I apt-cache policy xfce4 turns up nothing at all when only experimental repo is enabled
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01:47<bartm>only experimental repo is enabled ? can't be right
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01:51<bartm>oOarthurOo, by the way, the maintainer of libreoffice requests help... maybe you're interested :)
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01:52<oOarthurOo>bartm yeah, I'm proving myself to be quite the guru right now. :) Search of debian packages via web interface confirms that no xfce4 is packaged in experimental. Interesting. Porblems solved I guess, thanks for help. Didn't know about apt-cache policy. Need to branch out a bit from aptitude I guess.
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02:01<Adalid_Negro>hi
02:02<Adalid_Negro>sorry i has listened that the release of debian 6 is today. this is true?
02:02<bartm>true
02:02<bartm>well, "this weekend", see topic of this channel
02:02<Adalid_Negro>woow, perhaps, why ios not any information in debian.org
02:03<Adalid_Negro>distrowatch too is without info about
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02:08<Adalid_Negro>quiero debian....
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03:18<hide>Good morning everyone
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03:19<hide>Congratulations having attained Squeeze release! ;-)
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04:02<cd>Hi guys! Does anyone have any ideea why exim4 configured as a Internet site (send and receive smtp mail directly) does not communicate whatsoever on my external interface despite the fact I celared all firewall rules (shorewall clear)? I have messages in my queue that stay there for ages. I had to purge them. Suspect however some firewall misconfiguration (even with shorewall clear? is that possible?) because telnet to some google mail servers does not etablish
04:02<cd>any connection whatsoever. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
04:04<ompaul>cd: pastebin.debian.net the output of this as root iptables -L
04:04<cd>ompaul: one sec. please
04:04<ompaul>cd: even if I don't reply it would be useful to show people that
04:05<cd>ompaul: thanks anyway and hope to reply ;) :)
04:06<ompaul>be quick - I have a visitor nearby who wants a lift for several miles
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04:08<ompaul>cd too late I have to go
04:08<cd>ompaul: ok, thanks man! ;)
04:08<jthill>woohoo!! gallium r480 on squeeze!
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04:19<Saico>hey all
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04:23<saud12>hi all
04:23<saud12>this is my first time
04:23<saud12>can someone help me plz?
04:24<bartm>saud12, no need to ask for help, just ask the real question
04:24<cahoot>!ask
04:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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04:24<saud12>i need to learn backtrack how can i /
04:24<bartm>!backtrack
04:24<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
04:24<cahoot>!bt4
04:24<saud12>did there is any website for that?
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04:27<devil>saud12: did you ever hear of google?
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04:36<cd_>Hi guys! Until ompaul is comming back from his promenade of several miles, does anyone have any ideea why exim4 configured as a Internet site (send and receive smtp mail directly) does not communicate whatsoever on my external interface despite the fact I celared all firewall rules (shorewall clear)? I have messages in my queue that stay there for ages. I had to purge them. Suspect however some firewall misconfiguration (even with shorewall clear? is that possi
04:36<cd_>ble?) because telnet to some google mail servers does not etablish any connection whatsoever. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. PS: output of "iptables -L" is avaible at: http://debian.pastebin.com/77AzfTJV
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04:40<rik_>cd_: you can flush all your firewall rules to see if it's really a firewall problem
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04:41<bartm>cd_, didn't I already suggest that? :)
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04:41<cd_>rik: yes, I already did that ("shorewall clear") and didn't solve the problem...
04:42<rik_>your paste shows you still have rules loaded
04:42<rik_>set the policy for INPUT, FORWARD and OUTPUT to ACCEPT and then flush it manually using iptables
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04:43<cd_>rik: still, exim can't deliever any mail and seems to refuse connections from outside... strange, but true; "shorewall clear" should leave the sistem open...
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04:43<cd_>rik: I'll shut down the firewall and make another pastebin
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04:46<cd_>rik: there is the listing after "shorewall clear": http://debian.pastebin.com/LWi48Qyf
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04:47<rik_>that looks a lot better than the first paste. does it work now
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05:01<massimo>ciao
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05:01<massimo>!list
05:01<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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05:02<massimo>perche
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05:02<devil> /identi.ca/debian knows: All right, we have the release managers' Go! Put your release pants on everyone! We're releasing #squeeze!
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05:04<grummund>Hi, can anyone help with an exim4 acl configuration pls? - http://pastebin.com/qAuRWn7V
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05:05<grummund>the intention is to lookup local_part in an alias file and if it is not found then deny
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05:38<bartm>I predict that funkyHat is renamed back to guest
05:38<bartm>about now
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05:38<heckman>hahaha
05:38<heckman>bartm++
05:38<cd_>rik: no, doesn't work either; have no ideea whay seems like exim could not connect to any mail server on Internet and besides, "telnet 'to a gmail smtp server' 25" doesn't connect either.
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05:38<cd_>rik: no, doesn't work either; have no ideea why; seems like exim could not connect to any mail server on Internet and besides, "telnet 'to a gmail smtp server' 25" doesn't connect either.
05:40<heckman>from your house?
05:41<heckman>cd_: You sure your ISP isn't blocking port 25
05:41<heckman>Some do that :)
05:41<cd_>heckman: have no ideea...
05:41<heckman>Well, I guess in this case it's :(
05:41<cd_>heckman: what can I do?
05:41<heckman>Use a non-standard port
05:42<heckman>587?
05:42<cd_>heckman: oh, ok! guess woth it a try
05:42<cd_>heckman: oh, ok! guess worth it a try
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05:49<cd_>heckman: guess I'll do that after some rest, 'cause it's been more than 12 hours since I'm on duty (in front on my PCs); I'm feeling my legs heavy; dunno why because I sat down almost all this time; maybe too much coffe or cigarettes?! still, can't believe this. Many thanks!
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05:49<heckman>You're welcome cd_, if that doesn't work try a higher port as well.
05:49<heckman>But I have a feeling the ISP is blocking ports to present spam drones in their network. A local ISP around here does it as well
05:49<sebrem>my rented vserver is responding so slow, I think some co-users already started dist-upgrading to squeeze ;)
05:50<heckman>I'm going to be starting my VPSes shortly
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05:50<heckman>Although, I am not running Debian default kernel. So, should be software updates mostly.
05:51<cd_>heckman: "local ISP" from where if I can ask? guess you're not having the same ISP as mine...
05:51<heckman>Nah, you're over in Europe. Mine is in the USA>
05:51<heckman>It's a DSL internet provider.
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05:52<ayaka>excuse me,I read base-passwd's doc,but I still don't u8nderstand group www-date,does Apache2 with php5,postgresql or mysql,server phpbb3 need group www-date?
05:53<ayaka>excuse me,I read base-passwd's doc,but I still don't understand group www-date,does Apache2 with php5,postgresql or mysql,server phpbb3 need group www-date?
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05:54<cd_>heckman: oh, ok! mine is a cable modem provider... nice meeting you; all the best! thanks! see you later - possibly after 12 hours (of rest); or more...
05:54<jimpanse>hi folks
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05:57<heckman>ftp-team moving testing -> stable
05:57<heckman>\o/
05:57<heckman>once that's done, it's dist-upgradin time
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06:00<jimpanse>hm.. what should i say? Happy Welcome Squeeze?
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06:06<ayaka>heckman, once it become state,I will never have update?
06:06<heckman>Well, you're going to have to do apt-get update; apt-get upgrade every so often
06:07<heckman>And then when Wheezy comes out, you can decide if I want to go up to 7.0.
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06:08<ayaka>well,I use aptitube safe-upgrade
06:08<iobound>ayaka you should subscribe to the debian security announce mailinglist and keep updating for patches
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06:09<abrotman>there are times a full-upgrade will be necessary
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06:10<ayaka>iobound, to tell your the trust ,in china we don't use mailing list,I don't how to use,even I have tried once~
06:11<petemc>if you know how to send an email, you know how to use a mailing list
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06:11<heckman>Lol
06:11<themill>in the case of d-s-a, s/send/receive/
06:11<jimpanse>hard but true :D
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06:12<iobound>ayaka go to http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ and enter your email address to subscribe
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06:14<iobound>they weren't kidding when they said the squeeze udev isn't compatible with other kernels
06:14<iobound>after upgrading to squeeze i got dumped into a system with no /dev/sda, no /dev/md*, no nothing. couldn't mount anything
06:15<heckman>What's the work around for that?
06:16<iobound>stick with debian kernels instead of compiling your own i guess :)
06:16<heckman>hrm, I need to test that.
06:16<heckman>How did you upgrade?
06:16<iobound>apt-get upgrade, apt-get install apt dpkg, apt-get dist-upgrade pretty much
06:16<heckman>okay
06:16*heckman needs to test
06:16<iobound>but i've always been running custom compiled kernels because when i first installed etch, the debian kernels didn't support this sata controller
06:16<heckman>Ah, haha. Why does that not surprise me.
06:17<iobound>i guess if i'd been on the default lenny kernel and upgraded to the default squeeze kernel it'd worked fine
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06:17<themill>iobound: there's a reason why the release notes told you to follow a slightly different path to that
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06:18<iobound>yeah, i was aware of that, i just didn't realize it would be _that_ broken. i just assumed it wouldn't work well with hotplugging stuff
06:18<iobound>anyway i got it fixed
06:18<heckman>I'll need to find that section of the release notes.
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06:18<heckman>Testing is now renamed and wheezy has officially come into existence! Welcome, little penguin! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheezy
06:18<ayaka>who know debian group police?help about base passwd
06:19<abrotman>iobound: it's not htat it's incompatible with other kernels, it's incompatible with older kernels
06:19<iobound>also it's scary that lighttpd in squeeze after upgrades serves .php files as source code instead of executing them
06:19<iobound>abrotman: well i was running 2.6.36.3 which is pretty new, but i guess i've must have used some incompatible config option for sysfs/udev
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06:20<abrotman>iobound: likely
06:20<iobound>i've been "make oldconfig"'ing up since 2.6.17 or something
06:21<abrotman>oh dear
06:21<iobound>no worries though.
06:21<iobound>but the lighttpd issue is more worrying
06:21<iobound>easily fixed... if you remember to check
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06:26<Roums>Hi
06:26<jimpanse>hi
06:26<Roums>I have broken packaged that I cannot remove, i tried apt-get aptitude, -f, etc... and other thinfs found on the internet
06:26<Roums>but it didn't work
06:26<abrotman>Roums: show us in a pastebin
06:26<Roums>I think i have to reboot for my settings in /etc/environment to be applied
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06:27<Roums>but I am afraid my computer will not boot properly
06:27<Roums>and even synaptic failed to fix broken packages, can someone help me ?
06:27<bartm>Roums, see what abrotman wrote
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06:28<babilen>!tell Roums -about bat
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06:31<Roums>http://paste.debian.net/106588/
06:32<pw>I'm reading the Debian Reference to get started, and I wanted to do the apt-get update suggested in "1.1.10. Additional package suggestions for the newbie". However I get error messages of the following kind: "W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/non-free/binary-i386/Packages Could not create a socket for 2001:8d8:2:1:6564:a62:0:2 (f=10 t=1 p=6) - socket (97...
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06:32<pw>...Address family not supported by protocol) [IP: 2001:8d8:2:1:6564:a62:0:2 80]"
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06:33<abrotman>Roums: wtf did you do to your machine ?
06:33<dhruv>what r u doing
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06:33<Roums>I just tried to install wine
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06:33<abrotman>what is belocs ?
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06:33<Roums>with the official package
06:33<dhruv>what r doing?
06:33<Roums>I don't know what is belocs
06:34<dhruv>why ? you have any problem
06:34<Roums>I never installed that, as far i know
06:34<dhruv>nothing
06:34<abrotman>dhruv: do you need help?
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06:35<abrotman>how did you remove ldconfig ?
06:36<Roums>I didn't, it start to screw just afte I tried to install wine
06:36<Roums>with dpkg -i
06:36<Roums>then i tried with aptitude and saw those errors
06:36<Roums>I just remember aptitude ask me to revert to a previous version for some packages and i said yes
06:37<iobound>it's pretty cool that squeeze uses kexec when rebooting, then I don't have to unplug my USB drives which causes the BIOS to hang when plugged in during boot
06:38<cthuluh>Roums: first, you should never install with dpkg -i
06:38<cthuluh>Roums: then, it is very likely that your PATH is not proper for the use of aptitude
06:38<abrotman>that's not true
06:38<abrotman>Roums: is libc6-bin installed?
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06:39<cthuluh>it is
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06:39<abrotman>erm .. libc-bin
06:39<abrotman>cthuluh: it is not ..
06:39<Roums>When i looked in /etc/environment, there was nothing inside it
06:39<Roums>so I thought something happened
06:39<cthuluh>abrotman: talking about what? :)
06:39<abrotman>Roums: dpkg -l "libc*"
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06:39<abrotman>using dpkg -i
06:39<cthuluh>abrotman: should he have installed wine from the debian repos with dpkg -i?
06:40<Roums>abrotman: no it is not installed
06:40<babilen>abrotman, Roums: http://belocs.alioth.debian.org/
06:40<abrotman>judd: file bin/ldconfig --release lenny
06:40<judd>bin/ldconfig in lenny/i386: libc6: sbin/ldconfig; libc6-dbg: usr/lib/debug/sbin/ldconfig
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06:40<abrotman>oh .. libc6 in lenny
06:40<abrotman>Roums: do you have any libc6 package installed?
06:40<abrotman>fully installed
06:40<abrotman>babilen: lovely
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06:41<babilen>abrotman: "We believe that after several tries and fails, locales become in a better shape."
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06:41<abrotman>or not
06:41<Roums>Can I paste here 5 lives or do I need paste.debian.net for that too ?
06:41<Roums>lines
06:41<abrotman>five will get you kicked
06:42<cthuluh>Roums: please do ls /sbin/ldconfig
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06:42<Roums>http://paste.debian.net/106589/
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06:42<Roums>if it answers your question about lbc6
06:43<Roums>cthuluh: no such file or directory
06:43<abrotman>you're amd64 ?
06:43<cthuluh>then install the libc-bin package
06:44<abrotman>do you have wget ?
06:44<Roums>yes
06:44<Roums>and yes
06:44<abrotman>cthuluh: no such package in lenny
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06:44<babilen>Roums: Could you paste your sources.list and output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 belocs-locales-bin belocs-locales-data"
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06:45*abrotman waits for the manual unpack of libc6 ...
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06:47<Roums>babilen: http://paste.debian.net/106590/
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06:47<abrotman>oh .. my .. god
06:48<cthuluh>:>
06:49<Roums>There is the # in front of most of them (and I worked perfectly this morning)
06:49<Roums>I guess
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06:50<grummund>what's the Right Way to tell init to re-examine inittab file?
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06:51<heckman>beat it with a stick
06:51<Roums>it seems ssh is not working anymore and zfs-fuse neither
06:51<Roums>great
06:51<grummund>kill -HUP 1 ??
06:51<abrotman>because you broke libc6
06:51<Roums>at least, i cannot connect to my box with ssh
06:51<Roums>damn :/
06:52<abrotman>you destroyed libc6 .. you have to get it back in plcae
06:52<abrotman>do you still have wget ?
06:52<grummund>ah wait... telinit q
06:52<Roums>it seems yes
06:52<abrotman>Roums: can you wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.7-18lenny7_amd64.deb and then dpkg -i it ?
06:52<Roums>and i wonder how I destroyed that, just wanted to have Wine and used dpkg -i and aptitude for that
06:52<abrotman>or is it going to complain ?
06:53<abrotman>you may have to manually unpack that package
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06:53<Roums>yes, just wait, my internet connection is slow
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06:54*abrotman totally ignores that the sources point at stable and he's about to have a surprise upgrade
06:55<Roums>dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH.
06:55<dpkg>i don't know, Roums
06:56<Roums>That is weird, when i do "locate ldconfig", it was in /sbin/ldconfig
06:56<Roums>but it is not anymore
06:56<abrotman>locate db is out of date
06:56<abrotman>so the package installation files?
06:56<Roums>yes the db updates once a week for me
06:56<abrotman>today is not your day ...
06:56<Roums>it seems so....
06:56<Roums>and yes the installation fails
06:57<abrotman>you would have to manually unpack the package with 'ar x foo.deb' and then put the pieces in place manually
06:57<abrotman>(do this in a clean directory)
06:58<Roums>http://paste.debian.net/106591/
06:58<Roums>If it can be useful
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06:58<sebrem>yay, an old friend called me about a release party in my city (Dortmund, Germany) and we'll go there tonight
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06:59<abrotman>no one ever wants to party in my city :(
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06:59<abrotman>Roums: so you'll have to use the bits i mentioned above to unpack it manually
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06:59<Bazilong>hello
06:59<scottuss>morning
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06:59<sebrem>abrotman: start your own party ;)
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07:00<pw>Can anybody help? I was trying to get started reading the debian reference. It suggested: "1.1.10. Additional package suggestions for the newbie". I dit #apt-get update resulting in error messages: "W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/non-free/binary-i386/Packages Could not create a socket for 2001:8d8:2:1:6564:a62:0:2 (f=10 t=1 p=6) - socket (97 Address family...
07:00<scottuss>My laptop often gets to GDM and has a stupidly wrong resolution. Wanna report a bug, but don't know if GDM3 is the right package?
07:00<pw>...not supported by protocol) [IP: 2001:8d8:2:1:6564:a62:0:2 80]"
07:00*abrotman thinks that would not be a 'party' :)
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07:00<Roums>abrotman: I unpacked it
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07:01<Roums>I am trying to find where the files extracted should go (and it seems like files i have to extracr again no ?)
07:01<abrotman>Roums: see the data.tar.gz ?
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07:02<Roums>yes
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07:03<Roums>I have control.tar.gz data.tar.gz and debian-binary
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07:06<Roums>ok data.tar.gz contains all the files and destination path
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07:08<scottuss>I don't have this issue with other machines. Strangely, had it with Ubuntu too. Must be GDM3 upstream or graphics drivers
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07:09<abrotman>which driver is it ?
07:09<scottuss>intel
07:10<scottuss>so should be fine
07:10<scottuss>not using prop stuff
07:11<heckman>/bin/sh (dash) suuuuuuucckkks
07:12*heckman switches back to bash
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07:12<Roums>abrotman: i extracted the data.tar.gz and tried to uninstall wine with aptitude
07:12<Roums>it still doesn't work, do i have to update something ?
07:13<abrotman>uhm .. i didn't say that ..
07:13<pw>babilen: do you have time to help me with my apt-get problem?
07:13<abrotman>try to re-install libc6 first ..
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07:14<Roums>abrotman: but after I copied the files, it should be done ?
07:14<scottuss>I guess I need someone who knows how the process goes from boot to GDM. Why would it try to change my display resolution? I've set grub to use the correct res, then it all works until gdm appears
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07:15<heckman>scottuss: how many monitors you have?
07:15<scottuss>then boom, down to a really low res. And sometimes the cursor can go really far over to the right of the screen, as if I had two displays
07:15<scottuss>heckman, you read my mind :)
07:15<heckman>Ah
07:15<scottuss>I only have one
07:15<scottuss>it's a laptop
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07:15<heckman>Linus is teh rage when I install with two monitors
07:15<abrotman>Roums: no
07:16<ripero>isn't there a #debian-release channel?
07:16<scottuss>I've never had much luck with two monitors if I'm honest either
07:16<devil>ripero: there is.
07:17<ripero>devil: is it in this irc server? I cannot see it from the channels list :S
07:17<devil>it is, yes
07:17<bartm>ripero, just try /join #channelname
07:17<scottuss>perhaps it thinks I have two screens for some weird reason? But only ever now and again..?!?
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07:20<heckman>#debian-release is a bunch of morons right now
07:20-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*theckman@*.umad-b.ro] by Ganneff
07:20-!-heckman was kicked from #debian by Ganneff [heckman]
07:20<ripero>xD
07:21<abrotman>FWIW, #debian-release is for the release managers and ftp-masters and other interested parties to coordinate during release .. it's not a place to discuss release parties, etc .. don't harass them
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07:21<ripero>bartm: thanks, I was using pidgin, and it has very limited irc support
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07:22<ripero>don't worry, I'll be silent
07:23<ripero>however, there's an entry in planet.debian.org which might confuse some people
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07:25<abrotman>ripero: that post doesn't tell you to be a PITA ... just where/how to follow ..
07:25-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*theckman@*.umad-b.ro] by Ganneff
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07:28<Roums>abrotman: it's a little bit better
07:28<ripero>abrotman: I can agree, but I think many people won't understand it that way
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07:28<abrotman>Roums: little bit?
07:29<abrotman>ripero: maybe they need a #debian-release-party .. oh well
07:29<Roums>http://paste.debian.net/106593/
07:29<Roums>It seems i was able to remove the broken packages
07:30<abrotman>Roums: now .. are you trying to run lenny or squeeze?
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07:30<Roums>lenny
07:31<Roums>I just had some squeeze repo to install a specific application
07:31<ripero>abrotman: probably
07:31<Roums>not for my everyday use
07:31<abrotman>Roums: that's not relaly how it works .. and squeeze is releasing right now ..
07:31<abrotman>releasing as stable
07:31<Roums>I'll do a dist upgrade then, no ?
07:31<abrotman>Roums: so let's form your sources.list correctly?
07:31<Roums>Ok
07:32<abrotman>Roums: so put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin again
07:32<Roums>(by the way; what do you mean by right now ?)
07:32<abrotman>we'll get your lenny up to date first .. then get you toward squeeze
07:32<abrotman>Roums: /topic
07:32<Roums>omg
07:32<Roums>That's great !
07:33<Roums>I think with that i will definitely break my debian just before going to Qatar
07:33<abrotman>good plan
07:33<babilen>hehe
07:33<Roums>http://paste.debian.net/106594/
07:34<Roums>If i am right, in my current sources.list, only the stable one should be used ?
07:34<weasel>and it probably should say 'lenny' instead of 'stable'
07:34<abrotman>i'm commenting out webmin .. because well .. it sucks :)
07:35<Roums>you have something better thant webmin maybe ?
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07:35<abrotman>Roums: http://paste.debian.net/106595/ .. notice i commented out everything but the last three lines
07:36<babilen>weasel: yeah, that is what is being done right now. longer process with Roums :)
07:36<oxan>does anybody have an idea how to force the jfs and xfs modules to not load (on squeeze?) I've already added them to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf, but they are still loaded on boot.
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07:36<abrotman>!tell oxan about blacklist-initramfs
07:36<abrotman>perhaps ?
07:36<ripero>stable=squeeze, at the moment
07:37<ripero>I think
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07:37<ayaka>how to install 32bit package in amd64,because I need in interfaces
07:37<Roums>Hum...sorry
07:37<abrotman>Roums: http://paste.debian.net/106595/ .. notice i commented out everything but the last three lines
07:37<oxan>abrotman: he, didn't know about that. i will try it :)
07:37<ripero>I mean, from a couple of hours ago
07:38<oxan>ripero: yeah, on ftp-master that it's the situation but not yet on the mirrors
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07:38<ripero>oxan: ok, thanks for pointing that out
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07:39<Roums>abrotman: ok, i did that
07:39<abrotman>Roums: so paste your sources.list again?
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07:40<abrotman>which package did you install from squeeze?
07:40<Roums>You don't trust me... you are rifht
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07:40<Roums>http://paste.debian.net/106596/
07:40<abrotman>just double checking .. your original sources.list was a mess
07:40<Roums>I don't remember, I think it was for xbmc or zfsfuse
07:41<abrotman>hrm .. okay .. `aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade` .. does it want to install/remove any packages?
07:41<Roums>And i thought it was quite organized compared to usual... :)
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07:44<Roums>That is so slow.... i wish i still had my cable connection :/
07:44<Roums>abrotman: only one package
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07:44<abrotman>which is?
07:44<Roums>Updated: libglib2.0-0
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07:44<Roums>and recommended: libglib2.0-data
07:45<abrotman>seems reasonable
07:45<Roums>I can say yes so
07:46<abrotman>and then we'll `aptitude -f install' to make sure there are no dirty things lying about
07:47<scottuss>Xorg log: intel(0): Setting screen physical size to 423 x 238
07:47<Roums>http://paste.debian.net/106598/
07:47<scottuss>that have anything to do with it?
07:47<Roums>I didn't see it was in french now
07:47<scottuss>and more importantly --why-- would it do that? :S
07:48<abrotman>Roums: aptitude install locales
07:49*abrotman totally habla francais si oui!
07:49<Roums>:)
07:49<Roums>it doesn't do anything and a new aptitude -f install does the same thing
07:49<Roums>http://paste.debian.net/106599/
07:50<abrotman>aptitude remove belocs-locales-bin ?
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07:51<Roums>same
07:51<Roums>with apt-get it tells me the package "belocs-locales-bin" is not installed and cannot be removed
07:52<Roums>same thing for belocs-locales-data
07:52<abrotman>Roums: and aptitude -f install .. still wants to make a mess?
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07:53<Roums>yes
07:53<Roums>Oh
07:53<Roums>no
07:54<abrotman>so everything llooks okay?
07:54<Roums>at least it doesn't say anything about belocs and locales
07:54<Roums>but it wants to install : lib32gcc1 lib32ncurses5 lib32stdc++6 lib32z1 libc6-i386
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07:55<abrotman>from where?
07:56<Roums>Mmhmm don't know that
07:56<abrotman>it's probably fine
07:56<Roums>i think from lenny if i trust apt-cache policy
07:57<Roums>Should I install them ?
07:57<abrotman>sure ...
07:57<Roums>Just to let you know
07:57<Roums>if I try to restart sshd i get:
07:57<Roums>"/usr/sbin/sshd: error while loading shared libraries: libgssapi_krb5.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
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07:58<abrotman>yay
07:58<Roums>Ok I installed them, run again aptitude -f install, there is nothing else
07:58<abrotman>judd: file libgssapi_krb5.so --release lenny --arch amd64
07:58<judd>libgssapi_krb5.so in lenny/amd64: libkrb5-dev: usr/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so
07:58<abrotman>okay .. so install the libkrb5-dev
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08:00<Roums>http://paste.debian.net/106601/
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08:00<Roums>but same problem with sshd
08:00<abrotman>okay .. that's more french than i can read :)
08:01<Roums>There is no error message
08:02<abrotman>can you restart sshd now?
08:02<Roums>just the warning about the no dir
08:02<joeyh>if you have audio capabilities, you're invited to follow along with the release process and voice chat on the Debian Party Line (apt-get install mumble && mumble to mumble.debian.net) http://debian-party-line.branchable.com/
08:02<Roums>no
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08:03<abrotman>Roums: error is?
08:04<Roums>The same
08:05<Roums>"/usr/sbin/sshd: error while loading shared libraries: libgssapi_krb5.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory+"
08:05<abrotman>Roums: perhaps reinstall your openssh-server package
08:06<Roums>I did: "apt-get install libkrb53 --reinstall"
08:06<Roums>and now I have :
08:06<Roums>"/usr/sbin/sshd: relocation error: /usr/lib/libkrb5.so.3: symbol krb5_hmac, version k5crypto_3_MIT not defined in file libk5crypto.so.3 with link time reference"
08:07<abrotman>aptitude reinstall openssh-server
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08:08<pirralho>ola
08:08<ompaul>!br
08:08<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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08:09<Roums>http://paste.debian.net/106602/
08:10<Roums>There is the same error with libkrb.so.3...
08:10<abrotman>Roums: wtf .. why is it removing packages?
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08:12<Roums>I don't know
08:12<abrotman>i meant, could you paste it in english ? :)
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08:13<Roums>Ok, it seems purge helped
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08:14<Roums>Good
08:14<Roums>it's working !
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08:15<Roums>I found some tips here: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/374006
08:15<Roums>Now my lenny should be clean (i hope)
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08:15<ompaul>Roums: just in time to become old stable ;-)
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08:15<abrotman>Roums: did you want to go to squeeze now? or hold off?
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08:20<devil>ompaul: it is oldstable already ;)
08:20<themill>devil: only in the database, not on the mirrors though
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08:21<devil>right.
08:21<ompaul>how long for the first mirror sync to be complete?
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08:22*ompaul does not even make sense to himself - forget that question
08:22<@Ganneff>ompaul: there is no mirror sync even started
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08:23<ompaul>Ganneff: ack, ergo that retraction of the question. I'm operating about 71% of par. ;-)
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08:35<Roums>abrotman: sorry, someone called me
08:35<Roums>I'd say... let's go to squeeze :)
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08:35<abrotman>!tell Roums about lenny->squeeze
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08:35<abrotman>!tell Roums about squeeze release notes
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08:39<Roums>Thank you for your help abrotman you saved my day
08:39<amitz>we're the squeezy, my frieeeeend
08:39<abrotman>Roums: don't say that yet ... day isn't over
08:39<Roums>Sure
08:40<Roums>Still have to buy shooes, see the doc, make some papers... drink a beer.. or two, or more
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08:40<ripero>squeeze security / backports haven't already been created, have they?
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08:41<themill>ripero: they were created ages ago
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08:42<ripero>ages today?
08:43<Roums>I think the mirror i use is not up to date
08:43<Roums>as it tells me there is nothing to install ! :)
08:43<themill>no, squeeze-security was created when lenny was released; squeeze-backports was created some months ago
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08:43<mayte>ola ¡¡
08:44<mayte>k ases
08:44<mayte>de onde eres jja
08:44<devil>!es
08:44<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
08:44<mayte>ok
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08:45<devil>or speak EN
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08:47<ripero>themill: sorry, temporarily my /etc/apt/sources.list and my brain lived in parallel universes
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08:47<themill>:)
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08:50<mayte>ola
08:50<mayte>hello
08:50<themill>!ubuntu-es mayte
08:50<dpkg>mayte: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
08:51<mayte>olaaaa
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08:55<debian_user>Hi, looking for some advice on trouble-shooting post problem: 1 long, 2 short (or no video).
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09:00<Roums>Mhmm it doesn't find the linux-image-amd64
09:00<Roums>damn
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09:04<Roums>I can find the kernel here http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64_2.6.32-30_amd64.deb
09:04<Roums>but with the command given by dpkg it doesn't work
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09:05<themill>Roums: what are you trying to do? Can you pastebin the command you use and the entire output?
09:05<thunderrd> /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
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09:06<Roums>"apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev"
09:06<Roums>and I get : "Aucune version du paquet linux-image-amd64 n'est disponible, mais il existe dans la base"
09:07<Roums>It means : "no version available for this package, linux-image-adm64 is not available, but it exists in the database"
09:07<Torsten_W>the package is named linux-image-2.6-amd64
09:07<Roums>So the command given by dpkg is not correct
09:08<themill>no, there should be a linux-image-amd64 too
09:08<Roums>Graounux:/home/romain/libc6# echo apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev
09:08<Roums>apt-get install linux-image-amd64 udev
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09:08<themill>Roums: can you please stick your sources.list in a pastebin. Please use a pastebin rather than pasting in here.
09:08<Roums>yes
09:08<themill>,versions linux-image-amd64 --arch amd64
09:08<judd>Package linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32+29; squeeze: 2.6.32+29
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09:09<Roums>http://paste.debian.net/106606/
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09:09<Roums>I used to use a mirror in France, and i changed to ftp.debian.org to see if it changed something
09:09<Roums>it didn't
09:10<themill>Roums: there's no advantage in using ftp.d.o over a closer mirror
09:10<Roums>I thought maybe my mirror wasn't up to date
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09:11<themill>ftp.d.o is just another mirror though. Can you pastebin the output of "apt-get update; aptitude search linux-image" for me?
09:12<Roums>You will have some french in it
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09:12<themill>prefix commands with "LANG=C" or hope that my french is good enough ;)
09:12<Roums>http://paste.debian.net/106607/
09:13<themill>linux-image-amd64 exists in that list... all is good.
09:14<Roums>I tried again the command, same result
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09:15<themill>Roums: can you pastebin "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64; apt-cache policy"
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09:15<diesel701>Hi all
09:15<Roums>http://paste.debian.net/106608/
09:15<Roums>here it is
09:16<diesel701>We need a little help for the Ps3 version
09:16<themill>Roums: err... you have some seriously horrid pinning there. Get rid of it all.
09:16<diesel701>http://xorloser.com/?p=297&cpage=26#comment-3471
09:16<diesel701>Thanks :D
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09:17<Roums>How ?
09:17<Black>hello everyone
09:17<diesel701>For a patch in a driver
09:17<themill>Roums: remove the pinning lines you added to /etc/apt/preferences
09:17<Roums>(I learned today that there is many horrible thing on my debian, sigh :)
09:17<diesel701>Ps3disk device driver :)
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09:19<Black>how do i use jack the ripper
09:19<Black>and how di download the tar file in backtrack
09:19<valdyn>Black: wrong channel
09:19<ompaul>!bt
09:19<dpkg>[bt] Bhutan, or <bluetooth>, or British Telecom, or <bittorrent>, or <BackTrack>.
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09:19<ompaul>!backtrack
09:19<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
09:19<Black>whats this channel for?
09:19<valdyn>Black: for debian
09:20<adb>!ro
09:20<dpkg>Pentru ajutor in limba romana va rugam vizitati #debian-ro pe irc.oftc.net. Romanian users: for help in romanian, please visit #debian-ro on irc.oftc.net.
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09:20<Black>what is debian?
09:20<Roums>Ok I just kept the stable on themill
09:20<Roums>it seems a lot better
09:20<valdyn>!tell Black -about debian
09:21<Roums>Thank you, I totally forgot those preferences...
09:21<adb>Roums, see !ro above
09:21<Black>ok........
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09:22<Roums>?
09:22<Black>what is debian?
09:22<Roums>I am french, not romanian
09:22<adb>hehe , ok
09:22<ompaul>Black: see the message from dpkg
09:22<Black>im english
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09:23<Black>ok thanks
09:24<ompaul>you're welcome
09:24<Black>did you guys do computer science to know all these stuff?
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09:24<bartm>some did
09:24<babilen>Black: some do, others don't.
09:24<Black>im going to Canada this year to do computer science
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09:25<ompaul>Black: please do this /join #debian-offtopic the reason being that your comment is chat, outside of debian support ...
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09:37<ripero>themill: however, uploads to squeeze-backports are still disabled
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09:50<xemitaa>ola
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09:52<themill>ripero: probably. backports come from testing so there's nothing to backport yet in any case
09:52<gamambel>can ne1 help me with iptables? trying to avoid conntrack/filtering by state, so i use "-A INPUT -p tcp --syn -j DROP" to allow TCP replies and drop other TCP, but that obviously doesn't work for UDP and ICMP replies
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09:53<koollman>gamambel: well, what do you want to do with udp and icmp replies ?
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09:53<gamambel>koollman: i want to be able to ping and execute DNS query from that machine
09:54<gamambel>*queries
09:54<gamambel>if i use -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT, it works, but that uses conntrack
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10:10<bighornram>Squeeze release notes chapter 4 states to permanently remove system logs residing under /var/log. so... cd to /var/log and rm *???
10:11<bob>Is it a boy or a girl?? Here, have a cigar!
10:11<g1>bighornram: better keep the directories: find /var/log -xdev -type f -exec rm -fv {} \;
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10:13<bighornram>gl: sweet thanks
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10:22<kork>ZOMG TORRENT PLZ ;)
10:23<dwm>Hee, quite a busy room for the release. :-)
10:23<karme>\o/
10:23<bob>Glad we could squeeze you in dwm
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10:25<themill>!progress
10:25<dpkg>Follow the release progress at http://identi.ca/debian and http://debian-party-line.branchable.com/ . Archive frozen, cron jobs disabled, oldstable created, squeeze now stable in database, CDs being created. Approximate schedule: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable
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10:28<AzaToth>is news.debian.net down?
10:28<EvilTwin>probably just overloaded
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10:34<daniilr>Can I update my server to squeeze now? Are there any problems with updating while debian team works on the release?
10:35<dvs>daniilr: if it's a server, I'd wait.
10:35<Daemons>daniilr: You might want to wait a few days, unless you enjoy very slow downloads, as everyone will be getting the iso release and saturate the servers.
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10:36<themill>daniilr: yes, go for it. No, there are no issues as you will be using "squeeze" not "stable" (or "testing") in your sources.list. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
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10:36<daniilr>ok, thanks
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10:37<RM`fLoo>hi folks
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10:37<fLoo>good evening from germany and welcome to my release party :D
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10:43<Daemons>I hope the release happens in time for my release party.
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10:44<OppTupacShakur>hi ;)
10:44<Blapecool>Hi
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10:45<fLoo>ya
10:45<fLoo>same here
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10:45<fLoo>we're already sitting here and celebrating
10:45<fLoo>6 laptops, beer and soccer
10:45<fLoo>done
10:45<fLoo>period :)
10:45<Daemons>lol
10:45<Daemons>Mine starts in 6+ hours
10:46<Daemons>should be fine
10:46*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
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10:47<Daemons>release party is off topic?
10:47<@Ganneff>yes
10:48<Daemons>today of all days... !!
10:48<Daemons>w-e!
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10:48<themill>Daemons: #debian-offtopic is the social channel -- party in there :)
10:48<abrotman>or not!
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10:49<fLoo>btw
10:49<fLoo>dpkg is slow :)
10:49<dpkg>i don't know, fLoo
10:49<abrotman>stop abusing the bot
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10:49<fLoo>did i abuse it somehow ?
10:49<themill>fLoo: you sure hurt its feelings
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10:57<edbian>I have 2 CD drives, what should my /etc/fstab look like and what folders should I have in media?
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11:05<dwm>edbian: You may prefer to have a tool like `pmount` installed, so that unprivileged users can safely mount and unmount USB sticks / CDs and the like.
11:05<dwm>edbian: This doesn't require /etc/fstab entries.
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11:06<newby>hallo ich brauche hilfte
11:06<edbian>dwm, I don't mind making the fstab entries and I can achieve the same thing using the 'user' option. Is there some other advantage to this package?
11:06<newby>i need help
11:06<themill>newby: just ask
11:06<newby>nice ok
11:06<newby>you speak german
11:07<devil>german is in #debian.de
11:07<Tiff>!de
11:07<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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11:07<edbian>dwm, I'm mostly confused by the cdrom symlink that points to cdrom0 folder, and I also have a cdrom1 folder in /media. However if I put a music CD in one of my drives I can't mount it!
11:08<dwm>edbian: The primary advantage is that you don't _need_ to set up particular user fstab mounts. Also, the /media mount points don't have to pre-exist, and you don't have to enumerate the things you want to mount beforehand.
11:08<dwm>edbian: Aha, music CDs are _not_ mountable, as they don't contain a filesystem.
11:08<cahoot>edbian: music cd's aren't meant to be mounted
11:08<newby>ah ok so i will ask you anyway
11:09<edbian>I have an arch install CD that has the same problem.
11:09<dwm>edbian: There are tools (like "sound-juicer") which can rip music CDs directly.
11:09<dwm>edbian: Similarly, other tools (like "Rhythmbox") can play them.
11:09<edbian>dwm, I'm aware of apps like that. Is the only way to read a music CD to use particular apps like this? (playing or burning or otherwise) ?
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11:10<dwm>edbian: Yes. 'mounting' is the act of attaching the filesystem on some other device (like a CD or USB stick) onto a machine's directory tree.
11:10<newby>i installed debian lenny with gui, and now i read "http://www.debiananwenderhandbuch.de/anmeldens.html"
11:10<newby>now i read how to change or create a user
11:10<dwm>Music-only CDs don't contain a filesystem.
11:10<newby>so i started terminal
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11:11<dwm>(There are conceivably tools out there which make up a pretend filesystem from a music CD, but that's not a standard facility.)
11:11<newby>and enter "adduser" but then, the output was: "just one or two names allowed"
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11:11<edbian>dwm, Ok. That makes sense. Now if I use pmount should I erase all the stuff in my media folder? What about the fstab entries?
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11:12<dwm>edbian: If you install `pmount`, you can use it like this: `pmount /dev/cdrom`. This will automagically create a new folder under /media, called 'cdrom' or something similar, and mount the CD.
11:13<dwm>You reverse this process with 'pumount'.
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11:13<dwm>This tool can be used by any user on your system, and does not require any /etc/fstab entries to work.
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11:13<themill>dwm: there are kio slaves for that certainly. Gives you a virtual filesystem with the tracks in different formats. Select the files in the format and copy them and it rips for you. Sort of cute.
11:13<edbian>dwm, What about the CD icons in 'computer'? Will it mount if I double click them?
11:14<dwm>edbian: If you're using a GNOME desktop, then it has facilities built-in to do all of this for you - you don't _need_ extra command-line tools.
11:14<edbian>dwm, I have some minimal experience with pmount. I use it in a script I wrote to sync my music player
11:14<dwm>themill: Yup, quite a nice UI model.
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11:14<edbian>dwm, Then that is the problem. I have gnome, I do not have any /etc/fstab entries but when I double click on my second CD rom drive (it's always a problem with the same physical drive) when there is e.g. arch install CD in there, nothing happens
11:15<dwm>(Unfortunately, we've had to switch away from using KDE as your default shell at work -- KDE4 had too many performance / UI / config upgrade issues.)
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11:15<dwm>edbian: Odd, I'd expect that to Just Work.
11:15<edbian>dwm, Where can I go to debug this problem?
11:16<dwm>edbian: (I'm afraid I don't have time to debug it without, but someone else here might feel like volunteering..)
11:16<dwm>s/without/with you/
11:16<edbian>What can <b>I</b> do?
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11:17<edbian>For gnome to work, what should be in my /media folder?
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11:19<petemc>edbian: /media/ is the mountpoint for usb keys etc
11:19<jaceleon1>excuse me, but is wine 1.3 safe and good to use in debian squeeze?
11:19<edbian>petemc, Yes but I think gnome uses it for CD-rom drives as well.
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11:20<jaceleon1>I have installed wine 1.3 from a unverified repo, so I would like to ask if this version of wine is better than 1.x in the repos of squeeze
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11:21<dagon>why don't you install from wine's ppa?
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11:21<sney>isn't ppa an ubuntu thing
11:21<daemonkeeper>Itis
11:21<daemonkeeper>It is
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11:21<dagon>oh, sorry
11:21<dagon>I meant repository :>
11:21<sney>using an ubuntu repository would be unwise on debian for several reasons
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11:21<jaceleon1>dagon, i don't know that ppa is supported in squeeze, because in my synaptic adding ppas is not possible
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11:22<edbian>jaceleon1, do not use a ppa
11:22<abrotman>it is not supported
11:22<dagon>my answer --^
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11:22<abrotman>not by us anyway ...
11:22<sney>wine's repository - lamaresh - only has wine 1.1.42, which is new enough for many applications, but sometimes you need more up to date support
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11:22<daemonkeeper>jaceleon1: That is not the problem. You can add it by hand. No reason to do though.
11:22<sney>I suppose you could do a uupdate
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11:23<ompaul>jaceleon1: so you took $file and dumped it on your machine and didn't think first - should I ask, bad policy, bad call you don't know anything about it, you didn't identify the maker of said repo, and as abrotman said it is not supported, so you best find the people that packaged it and ask them about it.
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11:23<jaceleon1>sney, yeah, that's why i thought installing 1.3 would be good, however I tried doing things on it and it seems harder than the usual
11:23<ompaul>jaceleon1: and how do you know you can trust them?
11:24<jaceleon1>crunchbang linux forumers woudn't lie, would they? :(
11:24<iobound>i've been using an ubuntu ppa for wine in my sources.list.d for wine 1.3 and it's been working well for me
11:24<iobound>on debian sid
11:24<ompaul>jaceleon1: this is not crunchbang ... 1.3 is the dev version of wine ...
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11:24<abrotman>how many levels of offtopic is this now?
11:25<sney>approximately 42
11:25<jaceleon1>ok, so I should expect some drawback...that's fine
11:25<ompaul>too many I'm going back to sleep
11:25<dagon>I see a discussion of wine
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11:25<dagon>about*
11:25<jaceleon1>but aren't our repos too late? I mean at OpenSUSe they have 1.3 at their repos
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11:26<sney>if I were to upgrade to the most current version of wine on my squeeze system, I'd most certainly try to do a uupdate. /msg dpkg uupdate
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11:26<abrotman>jaceleon1: that doesn't mean you can pick a random set of packages from the internet and expect them to work ..
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11:26<sney>because that way if I screw it up I can come here and still be supported :D
11:26<dagon>:p
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11:27<jaceleon1>abrotman, so I'll uninstall these and try to get files from lamaresh's repo?
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11:27<sney>I'm not sure what the holdup is with debian's wine release, since the official repos are a full 2 major revisions behind the vendor's 'stable' and that's consistently been the story for as long as I can remember
11:27<abrotman>is there some reason the wine in squeeze is broken for you?
11:28<ompaul>sney: you can fix that next week ;-)
11:28<themill>sney: newer wine ftbfs on amd64
11:28<sney>themill: ah. figured it was something like that.
11:28<jaceleon1>abrotman, it just can't support the directx translation well for me.... games played on mine aren't doing well, as in nothing happens and it lags my debian
11:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 555] by debhelper
11:29<sney>ompaul: I just use the lamaresh 1.1, good enough for WoW
11:29<themill>sney: I thought it was just waiting on a mingw upload or something... which may or may not have been done.
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11:29<jaceleon1>I even have winetricks-alpha installed
11:29<sret>jus curious, anyone using arno's iptables?
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11:29<sret>i see it's in the debian repos, which means itt's actually ok to use it?
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11:29<cahoot>sret: obviously
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11:30<sret>cahoot: ok will give it a shot, the thing doesnt have a lot of docs though on google or anything
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11:32<jaceleon1>so wine problems doesn't concern whether you're using lenny or squeeze, but the version itself?
11:32<sney>and the architecture, apparently
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11:34<jaceleon1>I'm using an i386 machine...
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11:34<sney>jaceleon1: I'd just start with removing those unofficial packages and give lamaresh a shot
11:34<jaceleon1>that's why I like debian... it is light, and whatever the app problem is, it's not much related to the OS....
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11:35<dagon>jaceleon1: compared to what?
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11:35<jaceleon1>another offtopic- would it be great for debian gaming if I install the packages from the nonfree repo or from the nvidia site?
11:35<ompaul>there is #debian-offtopic
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11:35<jaceleon1>dagon, let's say the large OS distributor nowadays....
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11:36<jaceleon1>if you have problems with the app, it affects that OS...
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11:36<dagon>I take it that you mean an OS with a certain gate as the owner
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11:37<jaceleon1>dagon XD hahahaha
11:37<sney>that's not offtopic. for nvidia drivers, you'll have better support if you do it the debian way, but if you get the nvidia.com ones you'll get something a bit newer. It doesn't make a difference for me because my video card is old enough to be fully supported by debian's available version, but ymmv
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11:37<jaceleon1>sney, I dont know what nvidia-glx would I need for my 7600 GS
11:37<jaceleon1>currently running on nouveau now
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11:38<sney>I believe the wiki has compatibility lists, but nvidia 7000 series should still be the current version, I think
11:38<jaceleon1>and sure it cannot put compiz
11:38<sney>'running' on nouveau
11:38<priyesh>hi, i may have accidentally ended a process using htop, is there any way of finding out what I did?
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11:38<dagon>priyesh: check the logs
11:38<cahoot>cat memory
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11:39<jaceleon1>priyesh, i don't think so, why don't you look at your terminal's last command if you killed it by cli
11:39<dwm>priyesh: It's possible that the process announced its imminent demise in the system logs; check /var/log/syslog..
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11:40<priyesh>dagon: jaceleon1: dwm: I'm checking /var/log/syslog
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11:42<jaceleon1>so okay i've install nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx. what should I do to make this use that driver? should I kill X or restart?
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11:42<priyesh>dagon: jaceleon1: dwm: Nothing there
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11:42<priyesh>dagon: jaceleon1: dwm: Any other ideas? I was running htop inside of screen
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11:43<jaceleon1>priyesh, how about looking for a log file of htop, if there is and look it over
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11:44*charlie_ waves
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11:44<charlie_>anyone know which channel to watch for the squeeze release?
11:45<themill>/topic
11:45<sney>jaceleon1: unfortunately due to nouveau silliness you do need to reboot. it may be possible to extract nouveau from your running system but a restart is generally faster. and make sure you've got xorg.conf configured, and the actual module package installed (should be a dependency of -glx), etc
11:45<abrotman>to watch? #debian-release .. watching .. not speaking
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11:45<sney>I just figure I'll go to work in an hour and when I get back this evening it'll have released
11:45<priyesh>can't find any htop logs
11:46<charlie_>abrotman: cool thx
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11:47<jaceleon1>sney, how would I do xorg configurations while I'm logged in? is it in /ect/X11
11:47<jaceleon1>?
11:47<sney>if you install nvidia-xconfig and run it, it'll take care of that for you
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11:48<sney>you may need to be out of X
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11:48<priyesh>another thing - is there a way to restart the system without actually rebooting - just reloading everything?
11:48<jaceleon1>nviasgard@nifleheim:~$ nvidia-xconfig
11:48<jaceleon1>WARNING: Unable to locate/open X configuration file.
11:48<jaceleon1>ERROR: Unable to write to directory '/etc/X11'.
11:48<jaceleon1>that's what I just got now...
11:48<abrotman>as root?
11:48<jaceleon1>same
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11:49<Torsten_W>squezze don't have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf since it is not needed anymore
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11:49<babilen>wouldn't a small file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ with the nvidia device section be the best idea?
11:49<Torsten_W>and nvidia-xconfig is crap, since it wrrite a bloated, useless config
11:49<jhutchins_lt>Torsten_W: Not quite accurate, squeeze doesn't _need_ xorg.conf (nor does lenny), but nvidia does.
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11:50<jaceleon1>so how will I configure this nvidia-glx?
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11:50<Torsten_W>jhutchins_lt, nvidia needs a stanza in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
11:50<jhutchins_lt>jaceleon1: Were you trying that as root?
11:50<sney>dpkg's factoids still recommend using nvidia-xconfig so I just repeated what I saw
11:50<jaceleon1>yep
11:50<sney>do 'touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf' and then try again
11:50<sney>though I don't remember it needing a file there
11:51<jhutchins_lt>It said it couldn't write to /etc/X11
11:51<chrisreich>I seem to recall a command resembling "X -configure" to get my xorg.conf file created successfully.
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11:51<babilen>No, just create, for example, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20_nvidia.conf with the nvidia device section ...
11:52<sney>chrisreich: yeah, if you want the autogenerated one, but jaceleon1 needs one for a different setup than he's currently using (nouveau vs. nvidia)
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11:52<themill>babilen: can you come up with a workable one-liner that does that and teach it to dpkg?
11:52<jaceleon1>Section "Device"
11:52<jaceleon1> Identifier "Device0"
11:52<jaceleon1> Driver "nvidia"
11:52<jaceleon1> VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation"
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11:53<sney>strictly speaking, shouldn't something like that come with nvidia-dkms?
11:53<Torsten_W>the best would be, the maintainer of nvidia-glx would put that conf in his package
11:53<chrisreich>sney: but once the autogenerated one was in place, I could modify it to suit my needs. Wouldn't that help?
11:53<Torsten_W>sney, nvidia-dkms is for the kernel-module, not for x
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11:54<babilen>themill: hmm, not sure ...
11:55<sney>right, but lots of packages bring a relevant config along with them to engender support in other software packages. it seems logical and if the user knows it's there, they can always modify/remove to suit their needs
11:55<sney>chrisreich: kind of around the barn in this case, but yes
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11:55<themill>babilen: yeah, it's presumably quite a few lines. But that would be better than telling people to run some silly config script that's unneeded.
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11:55<Torsten_W>sney, [17:53] <Torsten_W> the best would be, the maintainer of nvidia-glx would put that conf in his package
11:55<themill>Torsten_W: seeing as that's now too late for squeeze...
11:56<chrisreich>sney: okay. I'll continue to monitor.
11:56<babilen>themill: yeah .. Problem is that I can't really test it as I don't have nvidia hardware around.
11:56<sney>oh, I didn't see where you said that, too many bright red highlight lines
11:56<themill>babilen: ahh, fair enough
11:57<babilen>I agree that it would be best to have that snippet in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-??/examples/20_nvidia.conf -- so you would just need to copy it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ to enable nvidia ... could even be done in the postinst
11:57<themill>yes, that would be nice
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11:57<themill>we could have that snippet on the wiki and the one-liner could wget it, I guess.
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11:58<babilen>yes, that is a good intermediate solution and might even make fixing that bug pretty easy ...
11:58<babilen>(not filed though)
11:58<sney>is it possible to squeeze (heh) something like that into the package(s) at this point? since it's not a version update
11:58<gsimmons>themill: I'll do a test with a G80 here and amend nvidia {dkms,m-a} when known. AFAIK just a device section is required.
11:58<babilen>sney: hahaha
11:58<babilen>gsimmons: that was my impression as well ..
11:59<sney>right, since loading glx and dri is universal-ish
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11:59<themill>if it's important enough, it could go in through a point release
11:59<babilen>and xorg takes care of the rest
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12:00<themill>gsimmons: hehe... I was about to ping you to see if you had an opinion on the matter ;)
12:00<duri>upgrade from squeeze to wheezy can be just done by changing sources.list, right?
12:00<sney>duri: wheezy doesn't exist yet
12:00<sney>when it does, probably, but check first because you might break your system
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12:01<abrotman>though, if you're asking .. you might be wise to wait a few months
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12:01<themill>dpkg, squeeze->wheezy
12:01<dpkg>We've only just had a release and users of testing are in for a bumpy ride... if you have to ask how to do this, you shouldn't do it.
12:01<sney>unless you want to be basically running sid for a bit
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12:01<sney>dpkg is from the future!
12:01<dpkg>sney: I give up, what is it?
12:01<sney>dpkg: it's tomorrow, or maybe later today. you tell me, time traveler
12:01<dpkg>sney: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
12:01<duri>ok, thanks
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12:02<sney>I'm not sure time has size.
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12:04<sret>hi babilen o/
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12:04<sret>heh i kinda like the o/, been using it lately
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12:13<wouter>f
12:13<dagon>g
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12:13<ohwow>Hello
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12:14<ohwow>Sometimes the PCM bar in my alsamixer goes down and I have to open it and fix it, anyone know any way around it? Is there a way to just leave one "Master" bar?
12:14<ohwow>btw, congrats on squeeze release
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12:14<sret>an x11vnc is uses tcp/
12:14<sret>-is
12:14<dagon>ohwow: save the preferences
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12:16<sret>ah all tcp
12:17<ohwow>dagon: hmm, and how to do it exactly?
12:17<libaofeng>hi
12:17<ohwow>i checked the help screen ://
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12:18<justin__>allo
12:18-!-eknahm [~eknahm@c-75-69-103-97.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #debian
12:18<justin__>I HAVE A QUESTION
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12:18<babilen>justin__: just ask
12:18<dagon>ohwow: sudo alsactl store
12:18<justin__>I'm on Crunchbang
12:18<justin__>Which is debian based
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12:18<justin__>If squeeze is going to become stable
12:18<babilen>!crunchbag
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12:19<ompaul>justin__: correct and crunchbang is not debian as you so helpfully point out ;-)
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12:19<ompaul>!Crunchbang
12:19<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on Debian>.
12:19<ohwow>dagon: thanks
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12:19<justin__>Kay, thanks
12:19<babilen>justin__: What is your question?
12:19<dagon>ohwow: np :)
12:20<justin__>Never mind, i'll ask on the crunchbang channel in freenode
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12:20<babilen>Ok, have fun.
12:20<justin__>I'll come back if no help is there
12:20<ompaul>justin__: if it is debian based ask away
12:20<justin__>ok
12:20<ompaul>as in, if it is about debian
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12:20<justin__>This might sound wrong
12:21<justin__>But, I want to update from squeeze to wheezy
12:21<justin__>on crunchbang
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12:21<justin__>How would I do that?
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12:21<daemonkeeper>Well, that might be indeed a question for actual Crunchbang users.
12:22<justin__>For example, I could upgrade without reinstalling Crunchbang
12:22<sney>crunchbang just uses the debian repos? weird. well, it seems you *should* ask in the crunchbang channel. also, wheezy doesn't exist yet.
12:22<ompaul>justin__: as daemonkeeper said, we don't know how they lay out their repos and they do :)
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12:22<justin__>Oh.
12:22<babilen>justin__: There is no wheezy yet and I wouldn't really recommend to update to it now (if you were a Debian user). And you might actually ask that in the Crunchbag channel
12:22<justin__>Kay then.
12:22<sney>generally speaking, you can update apt-based distributions without reinstalling, but who knows what tomfoolery crunchbang has going as standard
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12:27<justin__>Does anyone know what exact time would squeeze become stable
12:27<justin__>Or does it depend on the devs
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12:28<bmhatfield>It depends on the release managers. They are actively working on it, and are aiming to release today.
12:28<justin__>Ah.
12:28<acu>justin__, read the topics of the chat room - squeeze will become stable - today or tommorrow - right now the built is going on
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12:28<justin__>Kay. then.
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12:28<acu>http://identi.ca/debian/
12:29<justin__>I also found a link that had possibly helped me
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12:29<ohwow>http://twitter.com/debian <-- works too
12:29<adb>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/.squeeze_bebble/ < test it justin__
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12:29<abrotman>uh .. shouldn't have shared that
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12:30<justin__>My..
12:30<justin__>Noticed a directory in that link
12:30<justin__>iso_bd
12:30<abrotman>don't use those .. they're not official yet
12:30<justin__>I know.
12:30<justin__>But i still noticed that
12:30<justin__>iso_bd
12:31<abrotman>lenny had those also i believe
12:31<justin__>Oh.
12:31<justin__>But, what does iso_bd mean
12:31<abrotman>blu-ray
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12:32<justin__>Intresting...
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12:32<justin__>You can install debian through blu-ray?
12:32<bmhatfield>Justin: They're all just disk formats to debian. The advantage to a blu-ray disk is that everything fits on one CD!
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12:33<justin__>I also have another question
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12:33<abrotman>bmhatfield: but it doesn't?
12:33<justin__>I seriously need all those iso cd disk images to install debian?
12:33<justin__>Or just one will do fine?
12:33<tornow>the first one
12:33<abrotman>justin__: use the netinst
12:33<justin__>Thanks.
12:33-!-bob [~bob@adsl-69-154-217-49.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #debian
12:33<justin__>And I do not have an ethernet connection
12:33<bmhatfield>+1 to use the netinst
12:34<tornow>if you want gnome, else scroll down.
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12:34<abrotman>just use the netinst
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12:34<justin__>Kay then..
12:34<abrotman>it doesn't matter what you want .. just use the netinst
12:34<bartm>justin__, get an internet connection and use netinst
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12:34<ompaul>justin__: you don't how do you connect to the internet?
12:34<justin__>I have a wlan connection
12:34<justin__>..
12:34<justin__>It still works, huh
12:34<ompaul>!wlan
12:34<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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12:34<justin__>ipw2100
12:34<justin__>..
12:35<justin__>confused
12:35<ompaul>justin__: you /msg dpkg ipw2100
12:35<bmhatfield>justin__: You could also read this page: http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200
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12:36<justin__>Thanks.
12:36<bmhatfield>justin__: don't be thrown by the "wrong" number - it applies to multiple versions
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12:37<bmhatfield>justin__: short story is that it looks like it'll work. So - use the netinst :-)
12:37<justin__>So, the netinst is the best one to use?
12:37<justin__>Kay.
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12:37<justin__>..
12:37<bmhatfield>Yep. I've used it hundreds of times, including the beta and RC versions for squeeze, and it works great.
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12:38<justin__>Also one more question
12:38-!-bartm [~bartm@ptr-91-87-217-74.mobistar.be] has quit [Quit: Zzz]
12:38<justin__>I want
12:38<justin__>to install
12:38<justin__>gnome
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12:39<bmhatfield>It's included as the "graphical desktop environment" option
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12:39<justin__>in
12:39<justin__>crunchbang
12:39<justin__>oops
12:39<justin__>Never mind, disregard that question
12:39<babilen>huh, shouldn't we also ask about WPA{,2} -- Or is that indeed supported out-of-the box now? I remember reading something some time ago that it is not ....
12:39<justin__>Damn it
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12:39<justin__>I think my wireless router
12:39<justin__>uses WPA
12:39<babilen>!enter
12:39<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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12:40<abrotman>justin__: you'll want to get it wired for the install .. it'll make your life easier
12:40<justin__>Damn it, I don't have an ethernet wire with me right now
12:40<bob>I wish vim 7.3 would have made it into squeeze
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12:41<justin__>How much are ethernet cables?
12:41<bmhatfield>justin__: Where are you in the world?
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12:41<babilen>bob: yeah, one of the few packages i have from sid. should be in squeeze-backports soon though
12:42<abrotman>justin__: at fryes? maybe $10 ?
12:42-!-lillecarl__ [~lillecarl@d90-142-147-37.cust.tele2.se] has joined #debian
12:42<abrotman>or just borrow one
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12:42<justin__>Thanks.
12:42<babilen>So WPA{,2} wifi networks are indeed a problem? (just verifying)
12:42<bob>babilen: thanks. I like stable releases, but I like the latest toys too. :)
12:43<kork>are there torrents yet? I want to seeeeeeeeeeeeed ;)
12:43<justin__>On the debian website
12:43<babilen>bob: A somehow conflicting inclination
12:43<kork>oh, rebuild
12:43<kork>:(
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12:44<bob>babilen: Thanks to the miracle of virtual machines, it isn't really a problem
12:44<babilen>yeah
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12:44<justin__>I actually want to install debian in a vm
12:44<justin__>That is mostly it for now
12:44<mjt>hmm. torrents? that usually happens when the release is finally happened...
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12:44<amphi>!tell bob about ssb
12:45<kork>mjt: :-)
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12:45<kork>I have a leftover server that will be shut down on the 18th and I need to waste a little bit of bandwidth there ;)
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12:45<abrotman>kork: not officially yet .. give it a few hours
12:46<kork>sure, np
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12:47<mjt>hmm. o
12:47<mjt>i'll seed too
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12:47<mjt>even if i've no use for the images anyway :)
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12:47<kork>yeah
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12:48<mjt>speaking of seeding. is there a way in rtorrent to raise priority for _seeding_ for some torrents?
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12:50<PeterNL>So when are the squeeze netinst images ready?
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12:50<dagon>http://identi.ca/debian/ <- follow the progress
12:50<mom> /msg dpkg progress
12:51<PeterNL>I was following that, but any ETA's?
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12:51<abrotman>PeterNL: they take a few hours to build .. they started 1.5hrs ago?
12:51<PeterNL>Okay, I will be patient
12:51<kork>oh btw is there a pointer for documentation on doing the "build cd images from source" myself? I'd like to try it just for the heck of it
12:52<smr99>on mumble, Joey hess said 2200 UTC
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12:52<justin__>57 out of 60 peers for netinst
12:52<babilen>PeterNL: Probably around 23:00 UTC -- or tomorrow. I would expect it today.
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12:52<babilen>smr99: Ah, was the 23:00 CET?
12:52<PeterNL>around midnight? Then I'll do my things tomorrow.
12:53<mom>what state are they on on the timetable? http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable
12:53<abrotman>PeterNL: what are your "things" ?
12:53<abrotman>mom: somewhere around steps 5/6
12:53<PeterNL>I want to create a minimal debian squeeze installation in a VM
12:54<babilen>mom: "build images and verify" (had to be rebuilt -- missing release notes -- netinst's are done, others are rebuilt)
12:54<daemonkeeper>You can do that already PeterNL
12:54<abrotman>PeterNL: you could do that now with a daily netinst
12:54<PeterNL>I know, dut I'd like to use the official final release
12:54<PeterNL>but*
12:54<PeterNL>Or are they the same anyway?
12:54<Ravi>HOw do I ignore /joins /quits etc. ?
12:54<abrotman>okay
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12:54<abrotman>PeterNL: the end result will be the same
12:54<babilen>I can absolutely understand that ... be patient. People and machines are working as hard as they can :)
12:54<abrotman>Ravi: which client ?
12:54<PeterNL>ok
12:54<kork>Ravi: uh, I could tell you on irssi, but not on that, sorry
12:55<mom>babilen: ah ok thanks, yes release notes would be important, esp if they contain the license info :)
12:55<amphi>Ravi: /help ignore should tell you
12:55<PeterNL>But i was looking at debian.org, and I couldn't find them
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12:55<Ravi>IRCDough, abrotman
12:55<Ravi>ok.l.tried /ignore * crap..seems to work
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12:56<abrotman>wtf is IRCDough ?
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12:56<ompaul>abrotman: for "open"vms ...
12:56<Ravi>well..spoke too soon..still seeing *** Signoff by mib_8q76sf (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
12:56<abrotman>okay then
12:56<PeterNL>I have found the page with the RC2 and weekly builds...
12:56<abrotman>Ravi: xchat and irssi are easy ...
12:57<Ravi>yeah...but for openvms choices arfe limited
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12:57<ompaul>abrotman: I don't think it is available in lenny not in sid
12:57<abrotman>huh?
12:57<ompaul>what's the "versions" command for dpkg?
12:58<daemonkeeper>judd knows, not dpkg
12:58<Ravi>anyway..I don't understand this hype about the releast date/time...can't you download the RC squeeze right now...and just do aptitutde upgrade say on Monday...and you have debian stable (squeeze) ?
12:58<ompaul>ahh and how dones one ask judd
12:58<ompaul>s/dones/does
12:58<themill>dpkg: tell ompaul about judd
12:58<abrotman>judd: versions libssl-dev
12:58<judd>Package libssl-dev on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny11; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny11; lenny-backports: 0.9.8o-4~bpo50+1; sid: 0.9.8o-4; squeeze: 0.9.8o-4; experimental: 1.0.0c-2
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12:59<ompaul>thanks :)
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13:00<gsimmons>babilen, themill: The one-liner currently in nvidia-dkms works over here.
13:00<kork>dpkg: tell kork about libbusiness-onlinepayment-paymentech-perl
13:00<gsimmons>s/nvidia-dkms/nvidia dkms/
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13:00<kork>hrm lol
13:01<themill>gsimmons: lovely!
13:01<babilen>gsimmons: \o/
13:01<babilen>!beer gsimmons
13:01*dpkg pulls out a nicely refined Bornem Tripple for gsimmons
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13:03<Ravi>!beer Ravi
13:03*dpkg deftly decants a fine Dogfishhead 90min IPA for Ravi
13:03<Ravi>hey..cool..I got myself a beer :-)
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13:04<PeterNL>!beer dpkg
13:04*dpkg pulls out an excellent Spaten Optimator for dpkg
13:05<PeterNL>It deserves something for itself ;)
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13:15<wouter_>!beer dpkg
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13:22<daemonkeeper>Can dpkg memorize all the facts if he's getting drunk?
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13:29<katsrc>hi all
13:30<katsrc>what are some good web based torrent managers available on debian?
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13:33<bartm>katsrc, maybe "apt-cache search torrent" helps?
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13:36<fju>http://identi.ca/debian/
13:36<fLoo>is ftw :)
13:37<fju>quit
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13:37<bmhatfield>katsrc, I did this google search last night. Try rtorrent with wtorrent as a front end.
13:37<bmhatfield>Requires some manual setup.
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13:38<katsrc>thanks!
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13:41<dagon>good riddance
13:41<dagon>the amd64 build is finished
13:41<bricololo>hi
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13:42<osmoossi>those ready built images dont happen to be online anywhere?
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13:45<wouter_>the i386 build isn't up for download yet, right?
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13:45<babilen>no
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13:46<mom>amd64 is or it is built only?
13:46<bartm>and here's funkyHat again being renamed back to Guest...
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13:46<kidsdev>dagon: I'am use amd64, where for download
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13:47<dagon>kidsdev: nowhere yet
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13:51<bricololo> /join #squeeze
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13:56<mom>what do you think will be the best ones to bring to a debian installfest? i should probably make some usb images, but there is a live version too?
13:56<jordanm>!debian-live
13:56<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. A preview of the squeeze live image is at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_rc1/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net.
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13:58<babilen>mom: You don't need any special images for USB installs. Just cat the normal iso on a USB stick and you are good.
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13:58<bartm>babilen, cat? or dd?
13:58<PeterNL>same thing, right
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13:58*babilen likes cat
13:58<babilen>*purr*
13:58<PeterNL>:)
13:59<PeterNL>cat vs dd(og) :D
13:59<babilen>haha
13:59<bartm>heeh
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14:00<babilen>http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/ch04s03.html.en
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14:00<bartm>i see
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14:01<babilen>I am so happy about this development. No more "You copied the iso *file* to the stick, did you?" in here :)
14:01<jordanm>I think unetbootin works with squeeze now as well
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14:02<babilen>Who needs that?
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14:02<jordanm>babilen: people who are lazy
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14:02<babilen>I would say that you can't really be more lazy than "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync
14:03<jordanm>babilen: unetbootin goes as far as to download the iso for you
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14:04<babilen>Hmm, we might be able to convince dd(og) to fetch the ISOs too ;)
14:04<PeterNL>curl the.iso > /dev/sdX
14:04<babilen>hehe :)
14:04<bartm>dd if=http://... of=/dev/...
14:04<babilen>if=http:// works?
14:04<bartm>I don't think so :)
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14:04<PeterNL>That's why they invented... curl :)
14:05<babilen>yeah, would have surprised me (a little)
14:05<cthuluh>/dev/tcp/ftp.debian.org/80/ should
14:05<kork>wget -qO - http://whatever/blah.iso|dd should work
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14:05<babilen>cthuluh: \o/
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14:05<kork>anyway, grml has been doing this (just dd the iso to the stick) for a while. awesome to see debian does it now, too
14:05<cthuluh>babilen: though you have to give it an http query ;)
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14:06<babilen>and you even have a second partition for firmware .debs (if needed)
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14:09<PeterNL>dd: opening `/dev/tcp/ftp.debian.org/80/': No such file or directory. So how does this work exactly?
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14:10<mjt>that's a bash feature iirc
14:10<mjt>and gawk
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14:10<cthuluh>and it was disabled on debian stable
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14:11<cthuluh>(and previous)
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14:11<PeterNL>I'm using it on squeeze
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14:11<mjt>"bash feature" means you have to force bash to "expand" it, like using redirections
14:11<mjt>dd < /dev/tcp/foo/bar
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14:11<daemonkeeper>I'm unsure bash supports it, I know zsh does.
14:12<mjt>bash supports it
14:12<cthuluh>both do
14:12<cthuluh>it was just disabled in debian since nowadays
14:12<cthuluh>until*?
14:13<mjt>,versions bash
14:13<judd>Package bash on i386 -- lenny: 3.2-4; sid: 4.1-3; squeeze: 4.1-3
14:13<mjt>iirc it's in bash4, but not in bash3. or maybe it wasn't present in bash2... don't remember ;)
14:13<jhutchins_lt>,versions aptitude
14:13<judd>Package aptitude on i386 -- lenny: 0.4.11.11-1~lenny1; sid: 0.6.3-3.2; squeeze: 0.6.3-3.2
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14:14<mjt>but it's a handy feature, i forgot about it, will use it instead of nc
14:14<jhutchins_lt>Somebody needs to tweak judd.
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14:15<mjt>PeterNL: but don't do that with ftp.debian.org:80
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14:15<ralf>exit
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14:15<PeterNL>I won't
14:15<mjt>PeterNL: you need two-way connection there, passing commands to it and reading replies.
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14:15<mjt>k
14:15<Slik>j linux
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14:16<fLoo>squeeze is out
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14:16<fLoo>not
14:16-!-themill [~stuart@themill.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
14:16<fLoo>:)
14:17<amphi>it's too old, anyway
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14:18<mjt>Squeeeeeze meeeee!
14:18*PeterNL squeezes mjt
14:18*bartm squeezes mjt
14:18<PeterNL>bartm: that was my idea!
14:18<ohwow>squeezing balls atm
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14:20*fLoo squeezes MJD
14:20*fLoo squeezes mjt
14:20<fLoo>damn
14:20<fLoo>lol
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14:20<PeterNL>You squeezed the wrong one!
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14:20<PeterNL>aka <tab>fail
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14:20<bartm>going slightly off topic...
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14:20<PeterNL>slightly?
14:20<PeterNL>lol
14:21<@Ganneff>stop it in here, goto #debian-offtopic
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14:21<PeterNL>okay, just did
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14:30<mreidiv>hey room i am a noob and need some help with the awus036nh drivers in bt4
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14:31<mreidiv>can any one help me
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14:31<fLoo>describe your problem, otherwise one might not be able to help you out
14:31<mreidiv>or is there a channle for help some where i dont want to post where i shouldent
14:32<bartm>mreidiv, about backtrack?
14:32<nasutix>!bt
14:32<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, bt is Bhutan, or <bluetooth>, or British Telecom, or <bittorrent>, or <BackTrack>.
14:32<nasutix>!backtrack
14:32<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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14:34<mreidiv>ok i have the awus036nh usb card it is using the 2500 driver and i can see the card but cant connect to anywhere also when i run airssl it puts up a fake ap for about 2 minutes and then stops i tried reversing the cards to see if that helped and airss worked fing but still coudent get an intenet connection with the awus036nh which is the in i want to use to broadcast the ap because of its 2 watts of power
14:35<mreidiv>please excuse the typing
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14:36<mreidiv>ok sorry ill go there thanks anyways
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14:37<ohwow>When are you guys going to change your web site design?
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14:37<ohwow>Because, frankly, it's reallyy un-appealing
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14:37<dagon>it's old school
14:37<ohwow>you should add some partying CSS
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14:38<devil>please don't.
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14:43<taffit_>Debian webmaster are old school probabely ;-)
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14:43<ripero>many debian users are old school, too
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14:43<dagon>that's how we roll
14:43<themill>perhaps you should check back at the debian website in a few hours
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14:44<ripero>(I'm proud of being old school)
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14:45<kayzarg>hola
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14:46<themill>!ubuntu-es kayzarg
14:46<dpkg>kayzarg: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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14:46<rr0hit>guys, how many dbian iso s (minimum) should i download to set up a gnome desktop and which ones...
14:47<bartm>rr0hit, just one, the netinst cd
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14:47<rr0hit>other than netinstall
14:47<kayzarg>nadie habla espa;ol
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14:47<bartm>rr0hit, none
14:47<mazevedo>@debian "Every image is tested as soon as it is finished building. So far all's good and we're well underway!" I'm curious, how they test it?
14:47<rr0hit>bcos i would get faster downloads using accelerators
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14:48<rr0hit>only viable option is netinstall?
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14:51<kop>rr0hit: With the netinstall you only download what you use, and you don't have to go back and adjust your sources.list to tell it to get your software from the net.
14:51<kop>rr0hit: You're welcome to use what you like.
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14:52<wouter_>is the netinstall available yet..?
14:52<kop>wouter_: Sure, but it's not the released version, it's rc2. You have to go to the testing page.
14:52<wouter_>kop: ah thanks
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14:54<rr0hit>kop: can i install the first CD and later mount the iso files of other CDs and install packages?
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14:56<adb>rr0hit, use command 'apt-cdrom add' to add new iso to your sources , so you can direct install (by using aptitude) from new isosnew
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14:56<adb> isos*
14:57<rr0hit>okay..
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14:57<rr0hit>and how to get to know whats in which iso's
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14:58<kayzarg>chupamel
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14:59<adb>!cd content
14:59<dpkg>To find out what is on what disk, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/).
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15:02<babilen>mazevedo: test installations
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15:07<Enunio>hi all
15:08<cmot_>hi eu
15:08<cmot_>hi e
15:08<cmot_>hi Enunio
15:08<cmot_>typing is difficult
15:08<Enunio>how are u ?
15:08<babilen>apparently :)
15:09<amphi>b!enter
15:09<amphi>er…
15:09<babilen>Enunio: I guess we are all quite fine. This channel is, however, not a social "chat" channel. You might want to "/join debian-offtopic" if you want to chat or ask a Debian related question in here. :)
15:09<Enunio>okay thnx
15:09<Enunio>:)
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15:18<ripero>may I ask something quite stupid? I was trying one of the CD's, and when I click on the FAQ, i get to a dir instead of getting to a dir
15:18<ripero>*instead of getting to an html file
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15:19<themill>ripero: which cd? how to you "click on the faq"?
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15:20<mib_7vpwru>http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ works for me
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15:21<ripero>themill: one of the cd's in the folder people in the #debian-cd channel were talking about
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15:22<ripero>themill: the Debian FAQ link in the README.html
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15:23<themill>ripero: that sounds like the sort of thing you should mention in #debian-cd. But please include those specific details.
15:24<ripero>themill: I had the feeling that was for "debian people", I'm just a regular debian user
15:24<JeromeHurvitz> /list
15:24<tharkun>Gentlemen Why had it to be today the release date. It could have been tomorrow and i would have won two beers.
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15:25<babilen>ripero: That opens the "FAQ" directory on the CD which contains the FAQ in a number of different formats (html, pdf, ps, ...)
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15:25<tharkun>Well anyways. Congratulations to everyone involved in the process. A great milestone for you guys
15:26<ripero>babilen: that's right, I was just asking if that was the correct behaviour
15:26<themill>ripero: by the time you've already gone in there and offered to test the new CDs, you can politely and succinctly make your observation and ask if that is what was intended. If it is not, at this stage they will probably ask you to report a bug using "reportbug cdimage.debian.org" and it might be corrected at the next point release in a couple of months time.
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15:28<ripero>themill: ok...
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15:29<ferrum_noricum>Hi folks! I think i will stay with stable this time. I think I'm too old for testing adventures now.
15:30<babilen>ferrum_noricum: stay? a new stable is about to be released :)
15:30<abrotman>ferrum_noricum: so keep your sources pointing at lenny
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15:30<ferrum_noricum>I mean I will stay with *new* testing ;-)
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15:30<ferrum_noricum>stable
15:31<devil>new testing is Wheezy
15:31<babilen>ferrum_noricum: make up your mind already ;)
15:31<devil>since hours
15:31<ferrum_noricum>OK, I will stay with Squeeze!
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15:32<ferrum_noricum>It's the first time for me not to use testing for every days work.
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15:34<Aleric>Enunio: ?
15:34<Aleric>Why are you ping flooding me, sending me a PRIVMSG and even offering me a DCC CHAT?
15:34<Enunio>sorry
15:35<Enunio>-_-"
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15:39<Garfy>Hi
15:39<babilen>welcome
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15:42<reklipz>Do like named configuration snippets in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ as those in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ both get executed, or does the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ placed snippet take precedence?
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15:43<chaos>why is 64bit os designated amd64?
15:44<@Ganneff>its not.
15:44<@Ganneff>ia64 is also 64bit
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15:44<reklipz>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amd64 -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amd64#amd64
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15:44<chaos>reklipz: thx
15:44<themill>!why amd64
15:44<dpkg>The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64.
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15:45<reklipz>essentially, amd designed it, named it x86-64, then renamed to amd64. intel has their itanium 64 bit goods, ia64. intel then designed emt64, which is virtually identical to amd64. the common subset is referred to as x86-64, but amd64, x86-64 and emt64 are all used to mean the same thing now.
15:46<reklipz>what dpkg said
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15:47<babilen>reklipz: you mean in case of conflicting configuration?
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15:47<reklipz>babilen, yes, i guess.
15:47<reklipz>say i have the same script (50-wacom.conf) in both places; what happens?
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15:47<babilen>reklipz: Not sure actually :-\ "man 5 xorg.conf" might know :)
15:47<babilen>reklipz: Yeah, I understand your question.
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15:48<Garfy>any idea of a great cost effective web application hosting company ?
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15:48<reklipz>Garfy, how is that #debian?
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15:49<Garfy>I dev with a debian system
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15:49<reklipz>https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/
15:49<ferrum_noricum>waiting for a new debian release feels like christmas
15:49<daemonkeeper>Just that christimas happens more often and more regularly :p
15:50<TheFox>lol
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15:50<babilen>Garfy: gandi.net ? But yes, this is not really a Debian question :)
15:50<Garfy>thanks for your replies
15:50<reklipz>and then, there's always www.dreamhost.com
15:50<Garfy>gandi.net is already my domain provider
15:50<Garfy>cool rekpliz :)
15:51<reklipz>amazon has the cloud; idk if they have a web frontend piece. a "web application hosting company" seems like an odd question to ask outside of an enterprise corporation, who has their own hosting and the like.
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15:52<Garfy>I am creating a startup
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15:52<reklipz>that makes a bit of sense then
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15:53<Garfy>I am developing my web app on my great debian server and I am searching for a cost effective host provider
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15:53<Garfy>at some point it's no longer about the OS I agree
15:53<reklipz>purchase a domain, setup the nameservers to point to your awesome debian server ?
15:53<reklipz>sounds pretty cost effective
15:53<Garfy>I do that already
15:53<Garfy>hahaha
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15:54<Garfy>the pb is the banwidth
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15:54<reklipz>i see
15:54<reklipz>sounds like you've got some thinking to do then.
15:54<ripero>internet is banned in your country?
15:54<Garfy>yes I have reklipz
15:54<reklipz>to me, it's more cost effective to maintain the server myself; stick it in a data center if their facilities are cheaper
15:54<abrotman>is this #debian?
15:55<reklipz>hehe
15:55<abrotman>!ot
15:55<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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15:55<reklipz>I imagine the world would come to an end.
15:55<Garfy>data centres are expensive and I am building a great web app which takes care of itself
15:56<abrotman>Garfy: do you have a Debian question ?
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15:56<reklipz>babilen: nothing in the man pages; just the search directories on startup. I assume it tries to load them both, and if they have like configuration, one of them just doesn't run
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15:57<Garfy>now the pb for me is to find a host provider which can either host my application directly or provide me with a xen environment for a debian server
15:57<bricololo>Garfy, you're off-topic
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15:59<Garfy>bricolo give me a break or read what I write, debian users would probably like to know where to be hosted
15:59<babilen>reklipz: One could interpret the " Finally, configuration files will also be searched for ... following directories: /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" like: These directories are searched last and therefore take precedence ... but meh, *shrug* that is just an interpretation and I don't find anything definite. Sorry
15:59<yardb>been running beta1 for several weeks (works great on a newish Lenovo ts200v) and just acquainting myself with the new grub config. Is there an easy or recommended way to keep a backup of old kernel images so they'll appear as a boot option automatically?
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16:00<yardb>Or is the risk of corruption/badness considered so low that this isn't even done any more?
16:00<reklipz>babilen: no worries, I could always experiment to figure it out, but it's not worth my time; I'll just ensure only one loads by changing the suffix of one.
16:00<abrotman>yardb: what is 'uname -r' ?
16:00<yardb>2.6.32-5-686
16:01<abrotman>then there isn't a backup .. that is the version it is releasing with
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16:01<reklipz>weeboot! brb
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16:02<yardb>Okay, I may have been incorrect that an upgrade had occurred since then -- perhaps one of those updates had required a reboot but hadn't touched the actual kernel image...
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16:03<abrotman>yardb: you probably got a few .. but it's still the same kernel ABI
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16:03<yardb>abrotman: tnx
16:04<Arrowmaster>yardb: afaik kernel images are one of the things that are set to never be automatically deleted by the package managers
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16:04<Arrowmaster>well by default, somebody could always change that
16:05<abrotman>Arrowmaster: cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove
16:05<cmot_>Hmm.
16:05<cmot_>DB_VERSION_MISMATCH: Database environment version mismatch
16:05<Arrowmaster>my debian box is broken right now =(
16:05<cmot_>isn't there a command to update a berkeley db? or do I have to dump/reload?
16:05<abrotman>heh
16:05<reklipz>Arrowmaster: sad day
16:05<Arrowmaster>PSU died
16:05<cmot_>Arrowmaster, file a bug report in debian.org
16:06<yardb>Arrowmaster: thanks, I assumed the behavior was conservative (and should be), I very well may have misinterpretted what was being done during one of the updates in the last few weeks...
16:06<abrotman>!kernel abi
16:06<dpkg>Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 2.6.26-1-686 to another 2.6.26-1-686 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 2.6.26-1-686 to 2.6.26-2-686 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged.
16:07<Arrowmaster>yeah you probably just saw 2.6.32-5-686 being upgraded
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16:08<Arrowmaster>now if a 2.6.32-6-686 comes out then 2.6.32-5-686 will remain installed until you manually remove it
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16:10<yardb>Arrowmaster: yep, that's what I'd expect.
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16:10<yardb>abrotman: thanks for the pointer to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove, that's helpful info
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16:12<zaba141>Hello how to configure Bind9 to IPv6 ? DNS ?
16:12<juhaj>Is there any way to use lcdproc to output track info from mpd?
16:12<abrotman>zaba141: the Bind ARM is a pretty large document .. have you looked through it yet?
16:13<juhaj>I know three software which should do this, one is uncompilable, one is broken (uses too old perl audio lib) and one keeps sigsegving...
16:13<juhaj>These are, in order, mpdlirc, mpdlcd.pl and lcd-stuff
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16:16<malebogia>minimer: still no hardware in the preferences
16:16<zaba141>Okay so I will say that set the AAAA records for the domain and the primary domain server for example, I added DNS'y ns1.XXXXXX.pl and ns2.XXXXXX.pl under IPv6, but these local DNS server nei work even when you change the dns domain name is an error with this domain is not added a domain exists in the panel on the server it can be seen. I do not know what else I can do to make this work
16:16<malebogia>sorry
16:16<malebogia>wrong channel
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16:21<cmot_>eatmydata is cool
16:21<cmot_>this is all
16:21<ike>However it can eat your data.
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16:22<ike>Which is not so cool.
16:22<oxan>hmm. I've a problem with schroot/sbuild (squeeze): for all sbuild-* programs, except for sbuild itself, i get an 'access not authorised' message for all users, except for root. souldn't the users in the schroot.conf have access to it?
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16:29<Stereo>hi everyone, I'm here for the celebration
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16:30<daemonkeeper>Then you're wrong :)
16:30<Stereo>damn
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16:30<daemonkeeper>Join #debian-offtopic :)
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16:32<electrall>hi all
16:32<TheFox>hi
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16:40<Stereo>Quick questions about ext3 to ext4 conversion: I found https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto , but is it safe to do it without unmounting? And can I also do it on the root device?
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16:41<joeoshawa>hello i am trying to get sound working in debian i am running fluxbox with rox but all i want is for the sound to work unfortunately alsamixer doesn't work
16:41<joeoshawa>this is the error i get
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16:42<joeoshawa>shiannmakayla:/home/shiann# alsamixer
16:42<joeoshawa>alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
16:42<joeoshawa>shiannmakayla:/home/shiann#
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16:43<joeoshawa>so first how can i get alsamixer working
16:44<cthuluh>Stereo: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/643/Migrating_a_live_system_from_ext3_to_ext4_filesystem
16:45<cthuluh>dpkg: tell joeoshawa -about alsa checklist
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16:46<joeoshawa>thanks that was helpful
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16:46<joeoshawa>can anyone help me get the mixer working
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16:47<joeoshawa>sorry but honestly you cannot even use irc i doubt you can help me with alsa
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16:47<joeoshawa>your command did nothing
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16:48<arctanx>joeoshawa: might have been a typo. do /msg dpkg alsa checklist
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16:49<devil>joeoshawa: and stay friendly please
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16:49<joeoshawa>wasn't being mean being honest
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16:49<abrotman>joeoshawa: is the alsa-base package installed?
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16:53<joeoshawa>yes but it seems not properly i am guessing as root no alsamixer and there is no group audio
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16:53<joeoshawa>i uninstalled alsa and reinstalled and same
16:54<joeoshawa>nothing works except alsaconf
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16:54<mom>so what happens to testing one squeeze is in stable? unstable gets dumped into testing?
16:54<@Ganneff>no
16:55<@Ganneff>http://blog.ganneff.de/blog/2011/02/05/squeeze-release.html read that, last paragraph
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16:55<micove>testing stays the same as usual
16:55<joeoshawa>i don't have too many alternatives on this computer it's a dell t500 so it's a 500mhz cpu with 640 meg ram
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16:55<mjt>so.. are there torrents for squeeze already? i want to seed them... ;)
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16:56<joeoshawa>i need to keep it as lean as possible
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16:56<mjt>joeoshawa: do you need to run X on it?
16:56<joeoshawa>its for a 4 year old to play on
16:56<joeoshawa>so yes
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16:57<mom>micove: ah ok, so unstable packages are slowly added to testing then
16:57<mjt>um, for a 4 y/o there should be some special environment, like sugar on olpc
16:57<joeoshawa>i wanted to introduce her to linux its all i have in my home and at her mothers
16:57<juhaj>How reliable ext4 is in squeeze?
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16:57<abrotman>juhaj: how reliable is ext4 ?
16:57<joeoshawa>i cannot install anything "special" or it will take a week to boot
16:58<mjt>joeoshawa: actually olpc intended to be low-power
16:58<joeoshawa>it is working just fine except for sound
16:58<arctanx>joeoshawa: alsamixer is in the package alsa-utils by the way
16:58<juhaj>abrotman: No idea, but I am not interested in its reliability in any other incarnation than the one in squeeze, hence I ask for that specific version.
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16:59<joeoshawa>already the newest version but no alsamixer
16:59<joeoshawa>where does it install to
16:59<arctanx>to /usr/bin/alsamixer
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16:59<joeoshawa>one sec
17:00<borden>I have a question about brasero
17:00<ompaul>juhaj: I've been using it for about a year on a few boxes, no problems. Suggest you don't just take my comments, and check the web for specific reports.
17:00<devil>joeoshawa: which alsamixer
17:00<mjt>alsa-utils contains it for a very long time
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17:01<borden>brasero won't burn a video dvd because it says it needs the gstreamer mplex plugin. I've installed all of the gstreamer plugin groups but mplex isn't in any of them
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17:02<joeoshawa>which alsamixer? the one from the repos???
17:02<joeoshawa>apt-get install alsamixer
17:02<joeoshawa>apt-get install alsa
17:02<joeoshawa>sorry
17:02<devil>joeoshawa: sorry, 'which alsamixer' is a command
17:02<joeoshawa>i did alsaconf everything worked went fine nothing
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17:03<joeoshawa>no sound no mixer
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17:03<joeoshawa>i had ubuntu and kubuntu on here and sound worked but way to slow
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17:04<joeoshawa>anything ubuntu is unuseable on here
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17:04<Jarv>is Squeeze ready ?
17:04<Jarv>:P
17:04<troulouliou>hi could anybody help me with root parition encryption ; i can not find any answer to my problem on google
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17:05<joeoshawa>don't crash but click get a coffee drink coffee wash dishes learn blender learn c++ and wait ten minutes
17:05<joeoshawa>then it works
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17:06<joeoshawa>kubuntu took three days to install
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17:06<jv>joeoshawa, c'mon, not so bad..
17:07<joeoshawa>really not kidding
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17:07<joeoshawa>three days
17:07<joeoshawa>worked tho
17:07<joeoshawa>sort of
17:07<abrotman>do you want help with Debian? whining about ubuntu won't get you that
17:07<jv>how come? what machine do you have? threee days? that is a lot of time
17:08<abrotman>we don't care
17:08<joeoshawa>i was explaining i have it set up like this for a reason
17:08<Jarv>who likes chicken here
17:08<joeoshawa>i just want help with the sound
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17:08<abrotman>joeoshawa: lspci -nn | grep -i audio .. return anything ?
17:08<arctanx>joeoshawa: You're not making a lot of sense. If you have apt-get installed alsa-utils then you will have alsamixer installed unless you deleted the binary yourself
17:08<juhaj>How do I specify "-O0 -g" on a cmake-built source?
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17:09<arctanx>joeoshawa: It might be worthwhile to cat /proc/asound/cards, which will show you what sound cards ALSA knows about on your system
17:09<yardb>Regarding how the new cd/dvd/bd images are made available... Are the jigdo files made available first (and exclusively for a short period) before the cdimage server(s) get hammered? This could help folks who wanted to help kick-start the torrents to create images locally without using much bw on the cdimage servers or limited initial torrent seeds... Just a thought
17:09<joeoshawa>arctanx obviously its not working properly its there just not working
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17:09<abrotman>joeoshawa: lspci -nn | grep -i audio .. what is the line?
17:09<joeoshawa>i found the error alot in the forums but no answers except use oss
17:09<joeoshawa>one sec
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17:10<abrotman>yardb: not AFAIK .. everytihng goes at once
17:10<stderr_dk>yardb: Wondering the same thing.
17:10<sret>when is squeeze supposed to be released
17:10<sret>6th of feb?
17:10<stderr_dk>"When it's ready"?
17:11<sret>which is ?
17:11<abrotman>sret: some time today .. hopefully .. see /topic
17:11<bricololo>damn'it too slow
17:11<abrotman>!progress
17:11<dpkg>Follow the release progress at http://identi.ca/debian and http://debian-party-line.branchable.com/ . Archive frozen, cron jobs disabled, oldstable created, squeeze now stable in internal archive, CDs created and tested, live-cd creation in progress. Approximate schedule: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable
17:11<sret>abrotman: thanks
17:11<jv>anyone knows why openoffice in lieu of libreoffice?
17:11<abrotman>jv: it was too late to change
17:11<joeoshawa>00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Yamaha Corporation YMF-724F [DS-1 Audio Controller] [1073:000d] (rev 03)
17:11<abrotman>judd: pciid 1073:000d
17:11<judd>[1073:000d] is 'YMF-724F [DS-1 Audio Controller]' from 'Yamaha Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-ymfpci' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1073:000d http://wiki.debian.org/snd-ymfpci
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17:11*abrotman looks at TheFox
17:11<abrotman>and themill
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17:12<yardb>abrotman: seems like some sort of staged availability to maximize initial seeding would potentially be useful. Though I suppose the jigdo files are small enough that they'll probably be reasonable to get even competing with folks grabbing full images...
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17:12<abrotman>yardb: very few people use jigdo anymore .. most use the full ISO or bittorrent
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17:12<cd_>Hi folks! Does anyone know some nice workaround about my ISP (guess) blocking port 25? I want to run exim4 as an Internet mail server on my debian gateway and seems that it's not able to cummunicate with mail (gmail) servers on the Internet whatsoever. In fact, I can't even telnet from my gateway to port 25 on such servers. Any hint? Thanks!
17:13<joeoshawa>told me nothing but that it works sorry
17:13<abrotman>cd_: use gmail's submission port .. 587
17:13<yardb>abrotman: it's such a great idea, too bad it's not more used. Could be that the user interface is an impediment...
17:13<sret>cd_: did you check your router?
17:13<TheFox>abrotman: hm?
17:13<abrotman>TheFox: mistab .. sorry
17:13<sret>cd_: i have exim configured to gmail you could try that
17:13<TheFox>;)
17:13<abrotman>yardb: probably ..
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17:14<abrotman>joeoshawa: which Debian did you install ?
17:14<jhutchins_lt>cd_: Comcast?
17:14<cd_>sret: I dont't hava a router, only a cable modem and my debian gateway
17:14<abrotman>jhutchins_lt: most ISPs block outgoing 25 on dynamic IPs now
17:14<abrotman>cd_: use gmail's submission port .. 587
17:14<joeoshawa>the one from the web site?
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17:14<cd_>jhutchins: is that a paid service (like no-ip) or what?
17:14<abrotman>joeoshawa: lenny? squeezE?
17:14<jhutchins_lt>Time Warner didn't when I had it.
17:14<abrotman>jhutchins_lt: it's been getting a lot more common
17:14<joeoshawa>dunno the base distro
17:15<sret>cd_: do you have a firewall runing? iptables, etc?
17:15<abrotman>joeoshawa: what is 'uname -r' ?
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17:15<sret>cd_: nvm, follow abrotman's advice
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17:15<cd_>abrotman: guess that won't work for incomming mail... any ideeea about this?
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17:15<abrotman>ah .. you won't be able to receive either ...
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17:15<joeoshawa>2.6.26.2 686
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17:16<abrotman>if you're using gmail .. you can use IMAP probably
17:16<abrotman>joeoshawa: how much data do you have on this machine?
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17:16<joeoshawa>not much a few games and such
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17:16<jhutchins_lt>What bugs me are the admins who block based on "dynamic" IP ranges or RDNS failure.
17:16<abrotman>joeoshawa: http://wiki.debian.org/snd-ymfpci .. actually .. that spells it out pretty well
17:16<sret>i have exim4 configured to t do gmail
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17:17<joeoshawa>it was getting it all together with a special login and background and such that was hard
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17:17<cd_>abrotman: I want my gateway to be a Internet mail server (be able to send and receive smtp mail directly). Any hint? Guess my ISP won't unblock port 25 only for me.
17:17<ompaul>cd_: you don't know if they have it blocked
17:17<sret>cd_: did you try evolution?
17:17<sret>configure evolution for gmail. works here
17:17<ompaul>cd_: can you connect to it yourself locally ?
17:18<abrotman>cd_: not likely ...
17:18<cd_>ompaul: how's that?
17:18<ompaul>telnet ip 25
17:18<ompaul>see if the box is even awake for you
17:18<cd_>ompaul: I don't have any problem with my mail localy, only outside...
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17:18<ompaul>ok
17:18<jhutchins_lt>cd_: Not gonna happen unless you change your ISP or level of service (they may allow 25 on a "commercial" account).
17:19<jhutchins_lt>cd_: A lot of us solve the problem with fetchmail.
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17:20<jmarsden>Others get a server (virtual or real) at a datacenter and use that for server purposes, so we don't break the local ISP terms of service...
17:21<cd_>jhutchins_lt: doesn't exist any decent hack around ISP's blocking mail port? That means that you download your mail from your ISP mail server using fetchmail. What about sending mail?
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17:22<cd_>jhutchins_lt: it seems that exim4 on my debian gateway isn't able to talk to any outside mail servers...
17:22<sret>cd_: try evolution
17:22<sret>im no expert but try it
17:22<stderr_dk>cd_: Doesn't your ISP have a mailserver you can use as a smarthost?
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17:23<cd_>sret: evolution is a email client; I want a full blown Internet email server on my gateway.
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17:23<acu>where is the link for minute by minute report of squeeze build status - something with .ca ?
17:24<sret>cd_: ok
17:24<jhutchins_lt>cd_: I think Comcast doesn't even alllow .25 on their OWN servers.
17:24<ansgar>acu: identi.ca/debian?
17:24<acu>yes
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17:25<acu>I have to install it in few computers - and I am anxiously waiting for the final version :)
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17:25<jhutchins_lt>cd_: As jmarsden said, it's likely that if they're blocking 25 it's because they don't want you running a mailserver, and the could shut you down if you try to get around it.
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17:25<cd_>stderr_dk: dunno; guess they should; my ISP tech support is rather poor;
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17:25<sret>cd_: who is your ISP
17:25<Jarv>anyone think squeeze will be out in the next hour?
17:25<babilen>acu: Why are waiting so anxiously? It will probably take a while ...
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17:25<sret>Jarv: yes
17:25<Jarv>kool
17:25<cd_>sret: teleson from Sighisoara, Romania
17:25<jhutchins_lt>Jarv: It's progressing. You can follow the progress if you like, but the finall mirror sync won't be complete for a couple of days.
17:26<sret>Jarv: seee /toic
17:26<sret>topic
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17:26<sret>cd_: oh no idea dude sorry
17:26<scottuss>I just want to see the front page of debian.org change :P
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17:26<adb>acu, intra pe #debian-cd ca sa vezi pe viu ce se intampla ...
17:27<stderr_dk>cd_: You could try mail-mx.teleson.ro as a smarthost. Don't know if it will work or is the correct smarthost for your ISP...
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17:27<acu>adb: multumesc
17:27<acu>:)
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17:27<adb>pt putin
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17:29<scottuss>if my ISP stopped me using --my-- pipe for running an email server over, I'd be looking elsewhere
17:29<luis>hello, good afternoon everybody i need some help i am pretty new on debian i finally decided to install it and i manage to install flash and some other things, but now i am trying to install my epson stylus cx5600 scan feature but i am getting this: http://pastebin.com/4ZmEptNC can some body help me to fix this please????
17:29<cd_>stderr_dk: thanks, guess only monday I'll be able to make some progress in tis problem, when I could find some people at the tech dept to see what's happening exactly...
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17:30<sret>cd_: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user@lists.debian.org/msg525341.html
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17:30<joeoshawa>thank you you made a four year old very very happy
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17:31<cd_>stderr:dk: to use "mail-mx.teleson.ro" as a smarthost means that I'll use this address for sending mail, what about receiving mail?
17:31<joeoshawa>and a two year old (she is dancing
17:31<jmarsden>cd_: you use fetchmail or similar to grab it from your IMAP or POP3 accounts elsewhere
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17:31<stderr_dk>cd_: Fetchmail as already suggested by others. ( Or find a proper ISP. :-) )
17:31<babilen>acu: You could have answered my question -- but well, reading a /topic is not bad as well.
17:32<cd_>stderr_dk: thanks; got the ideea...
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17:33<luis>so is there any one who knows how can i solve this please?
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17:34<joeoshawa>take it easy thanks again
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17:34<acu>babilen: sorry - abd - have pointed me to the place to rock-and-roll - so I was there :)
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17:35<luis>is this a debian lenny help channel?
17:35<babilen>acu: Yeah -- I've seen it :)
17:35<devil>luis: still is, yes.
17:35<babilen>luis: yes
17:35<luis>oo txs
17:35<ompaul>!tell luis about sane
17:35<luis>i need some help
17:36<ompaul>luis: check the message from dpkg there
17:36<jhutchins_lt>luis: Where did you get the iscan package?
17:36<cd_>acu: salut! scuze de deranj, dar pari a fi roman :); n-ai idee despre cum as putea rula un mail server daca ISP-ul meu blocheaza portul 25? pare-se ca in ambele directii.
17:36<jhutchins_lt>!ro
17:36<dpkg>Pentru ajutor in limba romana va rugam vizitati #debian-ro pe irc.oftc.net. Romanian users: for help in romanian, please visit #debian-ro on irc.oftc.net.
17:36<ompaul>!ro
17:36<cd_>ompaul: sorry
17:36<jhutchins_lt>!lag
17:36<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, lag is the reason fnord has so many meanings
17:37<ompaul>jhutchins_lt: true :)
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17:37<jhutchins_lt>cd_: Best to stick to one server/channel. It's frowned upon to post to both #debian channels.
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17:37<luis>in this page: dpkg -i
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17:38<luis>sorry
17:38<luis>http://www.avasys.jp/lx-bin2/linux_e/spc/DL1.do
17:38<acu>cd_ stiu pentru webserver deocamdata - schimbi ports to a different port than 80 eg 8080 is not blocked - but for mail I have to look into it - somwhere in postfix is where you would need to change for mail
17:38<luis>and i got the instrucctions from here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=184665
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17:38<luis>but i am gettin this: http://pastebin.com/4ZmEptNC
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17:39<jhutchins_lt>luis: Ok, you should check out sane and see if it supports your scanner, it will be easier to manage It looks like your error says that you already have some iscan components installed. You may need to remove those before installing the current ones.
17:39<acu>cd_ usually the ISP providers block specific ports - if you use postfix as your MTA - usually there are two files to be changed - and mention port numbers
17:39<cd_>ompaul: won't happen again... =>.>=
17:40<luis>how do i remove that?
17:40<ompaul>cd_: that was not the issue - !ro was to ask the bot to tell ya about the other place
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17:40<cd_>acu: I dont use postfix, I'm using exim4
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17:40<cd_>ompaul: oh! ok.
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17:40<ompaul>cd_: tbh you took an age this morning to get back with your iptables are they back on at this time do you have a router between you and the internet?
17:41<jhutchins_lt>dpkg -l iscan* to see what's installed, aptitude remove whatever package.
17:41<dpkg>No packages found matching iscan* to see what's installed, aptitude remove whatever package.
17:41<jhutchins_lt>D'Oh!
17:41<acu>cd_ sorry - have no experience with exim - never look into it - postfix is most used mta to my knowledge
17:41<luis>ok
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17:41<cd_>ompaul: no, I have a cable modem, my debian gateway (2 net cards) and my vista :P PC...
17:41<fsdqtrcbn>hello
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17:42<ompaul>cd_: your cable modem is it internal to your debian pc or external?
17:42<fsdqtrcbn>how long to squeeze?
17:42<abrotman>!progress
17:42<dpkg>Follow the release progress at http://identi.ca/debian and http://debian-party-line.branchable.com/ . Archive frozen, cron jobs disabled, oldstable created, squeeze now stable in internal archive, CDs created and tested, live-cd creation in progress. Approximate schedule: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable
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17:42<cd_>omapul: external, between my gateway and my ISP
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17:43<ompaul>cd_: you need to log onto it and make sure it is not blocking traffic to your ports from outside
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17:43<luis>i did it and i got this: http://pastebin.com/2PLYTzdX
17:43<cd_>ompaul: it's only a modem, doesn't know any fancy stuff about routing...
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17:44<ompaul>cd_: and you said your firewall was off this morning and it was not, it might not allow traffic in from outside - in which case you will need to NAT your debian box
17:45<devil>luis: iscan is a troublesome package altogehter.
17:45<cd_>ompaul: I can put up and down my firewall any second; that is what I wanted to ask: could you take a look to my "iptables -L" as you requested this morning?
17:45<luis>ok but how can i fix that?
17:45<ompaul>cd_: I did, first case you had them on, second case you had them turned off.
17:45<luis>any one knows?
17:45<devil>luis: by kicking the responsible people
17:46<luis>meaning?
17:46<cd_>ompaul: yes, that's right; when it was on, was there anything preventing smtp connections?
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17:47<devil>luis: tell them to update their stuff into a clean, package, obeying debian policy
17:47<ompaul>cd_: I'm not interested in reading that much rubbish from shorewall I didn't see anything at first glance but there is a book of rules written there,
17:47<luis>to who?
17:47<luis>espson?
17:47<ompaul>cd_: next up you are telling me you don't need to check out how your modem is working or not, it might be the block
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17:48<ompaul>luis: yes, the built the box and they could have worked with the gnu/linux community to fix it
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17:48<luis>ok
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17:48<ompaul>luis: and the iscan people
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17:49<cd_>ompaul: surely my modem isn't the problem, trust me, I saw it many times, it's a dumb piece of hardware; doesnt know anything about rounting, firewalling or so...
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17:51<cd_>ompaul: thanks for your time! I guess I'll have to make all sort of investigations here...
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17:52<devil>luis: maybe look at http://aptosid.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=667&highlight=iscan
17:52<ompaul>cd_: why would it be in my interest to say to you to check out your dsl router ... after all that is what its
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17:53<cd_>ompaul: I don't have a (A)DSL connection, I have a cable connection, it's kinda different... :) :P
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17:54<luis>i always get confuse with this: what does it means to comment a line?
17:54<ompaul>cd_: and it presents itself in ethernet - question does it offer dhcp to your internal lan ?
17:55<cd_>ompaul: (A)DSL routers could be smart piece of hardware that can do port forwarding, firewalling and such, but cable modems are pretty dumb, they don't know anything about that, at least my modem.
17:56<luis>to comment means that i have to ad: "#" at the begining of the line or to erase that from the begining of the line?
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17:56<cd_>ompaul: it offers only a static IP address to my external gateway network card which is assigned by my ISP.
17:56<ompaul>cd_: thank you
17:57<cd_>ompaul: it doesn't know nothing about dhcp.
17:57<ompaul>cd_: have you got a box externally you can try to telnet to your computer from?
17:57<fsdqtrcbn>Am I going to be able to download the new release today? or will it take weeks?
17:57<cd_>ompaul: for nothing :)
17:57<cd_>ompaul: by no mean... :(
17:58<ompaul>cd_: you might want to find a web page like this http://www.canyouseeme.org/
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18:01<cd_>ompaul: thanks! this page sees my IP as 192.168.1.100; this is the one that is assigned to my vista PC by my dhcp server running on my debian gateway; how can I change this IP to my external one?
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18:03<ompaul>cd_: I'm sitting here and don't know if I should laugh or not
18:03<pbdeb>when will i eventually be able to upgrade from lenny to squeeze via apt-get? how long did it take to push everything to the mirrors back at the lenny release?
18:04<cd_>ompaul: neither do I know... why you should lough
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18:04<ompaul>cd_: how do you go about exposing internal non routable addresses to the internet, I have not managed to do that
18:04<abrotman>pbdeb: you can do it now if you want
18:04<cd_>ompaul: I scanned my firewall here and smtp port seems to be "stealth"
18:05<cd_>ompaul: https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2
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18:05<ompaul>cd_: did you turn off your firewall to check
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18:05<cd_>ompaul: can't imagine: I set up shorewall to do a SNAT and DNAT
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18:06<ompaul>cd_: turn off your firewall and can you still get to the internet from your vista box?
18:07<cd_>ompaul: no, I did,t, because if I do that, cannot connect to Internet from my vista PC because shorewall is doing SNAT; so, if I turn off my firewall, I can only acces the Internet from my gateway where I don't have a graphical browser
18:07<ompaul>cd_: have you thought of just doing some simple masquerading
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18:08<cd_>ompaul: no...
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18:08<cd_>ompaul: because I have a ftp server running on my vista box...
18:08<ompaul>cd_: I have come to a conclusion for today, your setup is far too complex for what you want to do, which if I understand you is have a web browser behind a debian box which does email
18:08<cd_>ompaul: some sort of that...
18:08<ompaul>cd_: iptables don't bite and they allow you set these things up on a port by port basis
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18:09<ompaul>cd_: one task at a time and with no services running on the debian box you could sit on vista and allow things to do in and out one rule at a time and build something sensible
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18:10<cd_>ompaul: can't imagine how did my internatl IP show up in that page; I scanned my firewall externally and showed up my external IP only...
18:11<ompaul>cd_: btw I can't look at your version of GRC btw they don't let that happen
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18:12<cd_>ompaul: Gibson Reserch is saying that only my ftp, http and ssh ports are open; smtp port appears as "stealth"; how could this happen if I did mention in shorewall config that this port should be open?
18:13<jmarsden>cd_: because your ISP is filtering it.
18:13<ompaul>cd_: that is about the best explaination you will get on that one
18:14<ompaul>cd_: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and what do you see?
18:14<retrospectacus>there must be like, a really delayed echo in here
18:14<cd_>ompaul: one sec.
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18:14<ompaul>retrospectacus: yah
18:14<cd_>ompaul: 1
18:15<retrospectacus>!rejoice
18:15<dpkg>...and the peasants rejoiced.
18:15<ompaul>cd_: so if you turn off your firewall you should be able to get though the debian box to the internet
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18:15<ompaul>cd_: but no matter I'm off to bed - been a Saturday and I've had enough of it
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18:16<cd_>ompaul: many thanks man for your time.
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18:18<ompaul>cd_: my advice is three fold, get yourself a web browser on that box get it configured right (lynx will do), kill off exim4 and use postfix much easier, do your iptables using iptables.save and restore which mean you can build the rules one at a time and so on
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18:19<cd_>ompaul: thanks for advice.
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18:20<Ravi>!debian We'll now do a few last tests and then move on to the signing and the final push !!
18:21<cd_>jmardsen: if my ISP is filtering port 25 connections, is there any chance for me to run a Internet mail server (send/receive smtp mail directly) on my gateway? will the ISP staff unblock port 25 for me?
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18:25<maxxe>wheey! deb squeeze
18:25<dvs>maxxe: no, wheezy's next. ;-)
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18:26<abrotman>cd_: if your ISP is filtering incoming port 25, you cannot run a mail server on your home machine .. end of discussion
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18:27<maxxe>dvs: wtf? :D
18:27<cd_>abrotman: oh, ok.
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18:35<maxxe>sooner or later i'll release SWIRC!
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18:36<jv>openjdk-6-jre-headless_6b18-1.8.5-1_i386.ded Hash Sum mismatch
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18:36<stderr_dk>.ded?
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18:39<morgan>deb squeeze!! :D
18:39<morgan>is it released?
18:39<themill>morgan: /topic
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18:39<jv>stderr_dk, sorry, deb
18:40<jv>I think it was pulled when i was installing openoffice
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18:41<gernot>Hi. I want to create a new partition in unused space before my existing Debian on LUKS/LVM. Does someone know what adjustments I will have to make to deal with the changed partition numbers (if any)?
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18:43<jv>gernot, I think you have to edit your /etc/fstab accordingle using /dev/sdx or udi=
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18:44<jv>others can probably help you better than I, but I would solve it like that
18:45<jv>i know nothing about lvm ;)
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18:45<jv>meaning, I know nothing about nothing ! S
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18:46<Ravi>gernot : I usually use Parted Magic for stuff like that..and once all done I will make grub identify the partitions...
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18:47*maxxe slaps gernot around a bit with www.google.com
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18:47<jv>where should I go to get libming0 to install pencil for my daughte
18:47<jv>daughter
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18:50<valan>hi
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18:50<jv>Ravi, update-grub?
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18:51<jv>or grub-update, forgot which one
18:51<jv>hi
18:51<Guest404>how i can remove erorr 132 0n backtrack 4 r2
18:51<maxxe>wtf
18:51<maxxe>jv?
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18:51<xthiag0>I can share the same partition /home with several distributions (with different users)?
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18:51<jv>HI! ;)
18:51<themill>dpkg: tell Guest404 about bt4
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18:52<jv>wasup?
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18:54<gervais>xthiag0 doesn't that cause problems?
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18:58<xthiag0>gervais, i once tried install slackware 12 and debian lenny with the same partition /home and got kernel panic.
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19:01<jv>is there such a beast as backports for aptosid?
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19:02<jv>can't find any in the forum or aptosid site
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19:02<n0th1ng>jv: No. aptosid tracks sid, so there really isn't any need. Sid is just quiet now because squeeze is frozen.
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19:04<jv>n0th1ng, tx, so here i go hunt for deps one by one to install libming0 ;)
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19:07<n0th1ng>jv: Looks like you only need PHP, Perl, Python, and C/C++.
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19:07<n0th1ng>jv: Looks like you only need PHP, Perl, Python, or C/C++.*
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19:09<gervais>xthiag0 really? they are different distros, i wouldnt have thought it would have caused that kinda problems
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19:10<gervais>just some app .conf issues
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19:10<gervais>xthiag0, i reckon it would be fine between say ubuntu and debian :P
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19:15<kork>TORRENTZ! NAO! ;)
19:15<themill>dpkg, no progress is <reply> Squeeze is being pushed to the mirrors now. Stay tuned! Follow the release progress at http://identi.ca/debian and http://debian-party-line.branchable.com/ .
19:15<dpkg>okay, themill
19:16<xthiag0>gervais, maybe I set the wrong grub :/
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19:16<xthiag0>gervais, you have already shared the partition /home with multiple distros?
19:17<fsdqtrcbn>torrentz moth****
19:17<fsdqtrcbn>where is my squeeze torrents?
19:17<kork>fsdqtrcbn: ;)
19:17<fsdqtrcbn>:)
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19:18<kork>http://ftp.acc.umu.se/cdimage/release/6.0.0/i386/bt-cd/
19:18<kork>YAY!
19:18<gervais>nope, not done it
19:18<stderr_dk>Fetching .jigdo files... :-)
19:18<kork>ditto
19:19<kork>then, seeding :)
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19:19-!-themill changed the topic of #debian to: squeeze (6.0) released! mirrors will take time to update | http://identi.ca/debian/ ; /msg dpkg squeeze; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | lenny (5.0.8) /msg dpkg 5.0.8 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://bit.ly/DebFAQ
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19:21<voxac30>yay
19:21<voxac30>cheers
19:21<kork>congrats people and thanks for your hard work
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19:22<cthuluh>cheers
19:22<cthuluh>!beer anyone
19:22*dpkg pours a pint of Spaten Optimator for anyone
19:23<anzan>Congratulations and thanks to all.
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19:24<fLoo>congratz
19:24<fLoo>for releasing squeeze
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19:25<ripero>web still not pushed?
19:25<luis_lopez>congrats on the new release!
19:25<voxac30>thank you all on the debian team for a great release
19:25<babilen>ripero: no
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19:25<micah_>Yes, thanks a ton, all! Good work.
19:25<anzan>Indeed.
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19:26<el-enano>many thanks to all dev/maints/collabs for such a good (and timely) release!
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19:27<DaeKaz>help! i can't find the iso (the best solution is a netinstall)of squeeze. can you help me?
19:27<brodriguesneto>Congrats!!!
19:27<themill>DaeKaz: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/
19:27<Naar>nice job! thanks
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19:28<PovAddict>themill: isn't it a bad idea to give the direct link instead of (say) torrents?
19:28<ripero>until the web will be updated, all links to iso's will be broken
19:28<DaeKaz>@themill: thank you very much!
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19:29<PovAddict>(and that said, off to download and seed torrents \o/)
19:29<themill>PovAddict: he didn't ask for a torrent though
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19:29*PovAddict worries about bandwidth ;)
19:29<DaeKaz>and now everyone says : SQUEEEEEEZE MEEEEEE!!!!
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19:29<abrotman>Mama's got a squeeze box .. and Daddy never sleeps at night
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19:29<Stemby>congratulations, folks! :)
19:30<stderr_dk>Seeding CD-1 -> 5... Building CD 6 from jigdo now...
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19:30<yardb>Any recommendations for what should be given priority for initial seeding... netinst images? Or does it all just work itself out?
19:30<kork>I wonder if anybody's seeding cd #27
19:30<kork>lol
19:31<abrotman>yardb: seed what you want .. it's your bandwidth :)
19:31<yardb>kork: heh heh
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19:31<kork>I'm seeding i386 cd 1 dvd 1 amd64 cd 1 dvd 1
19:31<ike>How many Debian Squeeze dics there are?
19:31<kork>I guess that's what most people will get
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19:31<stderr_dk>ike: 52.
19:32<ike>Per arch? Just CDs?
19:32<stderr_dk>For i386 that is... Haven't checked the others yet.
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19:32<DaeKaz>@ike: 52 CDs or 8 DVDs or 2 Blu-Rays afull install
19:32<yardb>abrotman: yea, I figure getting netinst to people encourages spreading out load to the mirrors... But since they're small they should spread faster without any special help.
19:32<DaeKaz>or one cd or net install hehe..
19:32<themill>DaeKaz: that's not a full install
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19:33<abrotman>yardb: more can't hurt ...
19:33<DaeKaz>@themill: no? oh sorry
19:33<ike>It's about 55 dics per arch, times 9 it makes almost 500 discs.
19:33<ike>Wow.
19:33<kork>weird, my torrent is only downloading, not uploading anything :S
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19:34<babilen>yardb: http://bttracker.acc.umu.se:6969/
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19:34<kork>aah, my server is now uploading 50Mbits/sec
19:34<kork>sweet :P
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19:34<voxac30>kork: nice :D
19:35-!-jesperj [~jesperj@c213-89-145-132.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #debian
19:35<kork>and my home dsl is finally uploading, too.
19:35<daemonkeeper>Not many non x86/amd64 users awake obviously :o)
19:36<kork>:))
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19:36<Zekah>UL 11.5Mo/s DL 11Mo/s, Somebody, somewhere, actually hear a server screaming :)
19:36<abrotman>not many in general ?
19:36<kork>I wonder how many people are using debian on, say, s390, productively
19:36<daemonkeeper>Yeah, that too. Although I guess ARM might be used more and more
19:37<PovAddict>I'm still not connecting to anyone in BitTorrent
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19:37<uovobw>http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/ <- spiked to 300mbit/sec in no time :D
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19:38<Ravi>I don't know what's the uproar about? I have been running Squeeze for a month now..tomorrow or Monday, I'll just do "aptitude update" and I'll be running stable :-0
19:38<yardb>babilen: thanks, data is always helpful...
19:39<Ravi>(just kidding....great job all Debian developers...Debian simply rules!)
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19:39<Zekah>URL: http://bttracker.debian.org/ - Connection to 2001:6b0:e:4a18::37 failed. The system returned: (111) Connection refused
19:39<Zekah>Oops :o
19:40<taranto>!wget a beer ;D
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19:40<Ravi>When will http://debian.org be updated to reflect squeeze?
19:40<taranto>at zeca pagodinho from brazil
19:40<taranto>listening http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR3SJgQhKfs
19:40<c_cinq>hi i would like to update security.debian.org testing/ updates main. should i change testing to squeeze?
19:41<themill>c_cinq: all the lines in your sources.list should point to the same release -- squeeze is the current stable.
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19:42<el-enano>c_cinq: or else, you will be tied to testing (the "new" testing)
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19:42<c_cinq>right. so change testing to stable. thanks
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19:43<babilen>c_cinq: No, change "testing" to "squeeze" :)
19:43<DaeKaz>will be testing testing when a squeeze is a older :)
19:43<DaeKaz>will be a older
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19:43<c_cinq>great. thanks.
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19:45<DaeKaz>so, goodbye
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19:49<bob>Where can I find a torrent for squeeze?
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19:49<micah_>Bob, this is where I got mine
19:49<micah_>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/bt-cd/
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19:50<bob>micah_: mucho thanks
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20:00<mom>i can download debian netistaller cool :)
20:00-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
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20:00-!-themill changed the topic of #debian to: squeeze (6.0) released! mirrors will take time to update; /msg dpkg squeeze; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | /msg dpkg new website | lenny (5.0.8) /msg dpkg 5.0.8 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://bit.ly/DebFAQ
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20:01<@themill>!new website
20:01<dpkg>well, http://www.debian.org is the website of debian off course !
20:01<@themill>bah
20:01-!-mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill
20:02<Guest406>wah, what happened there?
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20:02<abrotman>themill: typo ?
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20:03<themill>!new website
20:03<dpkg>As part of the Squeeze release party, the http://www.debian.org site has had a face-lift. Enjoy!
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20:04<Frictor>Congratulations Debian.
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20:05<c_cinq>nice
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20:05<brodriguesneto>Congrats WWW Team!!!
20:05<taranto>!wget beer
20:05<Ravi>!wget beer
20:06<Ravi>what does that do? It didn't get me a beer
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20:06<abrotman>broken img on the home page ...
20:07<perlsyntax>did debian have the perl 5.12.2?
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20:08<abrotman>did? as in ever?
20:08<abrotman>!sdn
20:08<dpkg>http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412
20:08<ansgar>perlsyntax: perl 5.12.x is only in experimental. Squeeze has 5.10.1
20:08<themill>,versions perl
20:08<judd>Package perl on i386 -- lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny3; sid: 5.10.1-17; squeeze: 5.10.1-17; experimental: 5.12.2-2
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20:09<perlsyntax>i thought it was perl 5.10.0
20:09<perlsyntax>thanks
20:09<taranto>verdade?
20:09<perlsyntax>can't wait to get it download:)
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20:10<ansgar>perlsyntax: (And the perl from experimental should not be installable anyway.)
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20:10<perlsyntax>i understand
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20:13<Ravi>Even distrowatch.com already updated with squeeze info.
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20:21<sret>squeeze is released?
20:21<daemonkeeper>Yes. Sort of
20:21<sret>!squeeze
20:21<dpkg>i heard squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06 http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a. Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.
20:22<sret>!release notes
20:22<dpkg>Release Notes for Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) are at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <i-g>, <firmware images>, <install squeeze>, <errata>, <lenny->squeeze>.
20:22<daemonkeeper>Just look the new home page :)
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20:22<sret>where
20:22<daemonkeeper>Although I'm unsure yet, whether that layout /is/ an improvement ;)
20:22<daemonkeeper>http://www.debian.org/
20:23<sret>heheh
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20:23<mc68040>http://debian.org/releases/squeeze/errata -> not found
20:23<sret>yeah that'ssqueeze's bootsplash image
20:23<sret>or gdm image or whatever you wanna call it,desktop-base:P
20:24<daemonkeeper>Well, its more than the logo :)
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20:24<babilen>mc68040: I reported that to -www already -- thanks for noticing (and the cd testing) :)
20:24<mc68040>http://debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-amd64/ -> not found
20:25<sret>i dont understand it says released on 6th
20:25<sret>what time zone is this
20:25<sret>its still 5th here in the US
20:25<abrotman>dpkg: time
20:25<dpkg>i heard time is found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2011.02.06 1:25:26, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!, or see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch09.en.html#_system_and_hardware_time
20:25<abrotman>it's 06 UTC
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20:25<sret>ah
20:26<mc68040>babilen: i liked to help at least a bit, i go to bed now, good night
20:26<sret>babilen: hi dude
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20:26<babilen>good night :)
20:26<babilen>sret: UTC
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20:27<sret>babilen: yeah abrotman just said so tanks:D
20:27<perlsyntax>Do i just need all 8 dvd iso or just one of them?
20:27<babilen>was processing the backlog
20:27<abrotman>that's my guess anyway
20:27*babilen hugs perlsyntax
20:27<streuner_>perlsyntax: only netinstall
20:27<abrotman>perlsyntax: you only need the netinst if you have broadband at the installatoin location
20:27<sret>perlsyntax: netinstall
20:27<babilen>perlsyntax: thanks for bringing us back to normal :)
20:27<perlsyntax>All i have is dvd
20:28<sret>babilen: thakns for recommeding squeeze earlier
20:28<babilen>np
20:28<streuner_>perlsyntax: well, the first is enough to install
20:28<gruetzkopf>yay IM running STABLE now :-)
20:28<sret>so am i
20:28<streuner_>!congrats gruetzkopf
20:28<sret>btw in the sources.list
20:28<perlsyntax>i didn't know that.
20:28<sret>i had it renamed to squeeze
20:28<sret>that should do it?
20:28<streuner_>!congrat gruetzkopf
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20:29<gruetzkopf>i'll keep squeeze in there
20:29<perlsyntax>thanks streuner
20:29<lapfrog>hey is squeeze stable now?
20:29<streuner_>lapfrog: /topic
20:29<koollman>yes
20:29<sret>lapfrog: yes
20:29<lapfrog>thanks
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20:29<lapfrog>that sounds great
20:29<lapfrog>so can i upgrade my server from lenny to squeeze now?
20:30<ben>Congrats all. Repositories update without error now (Testing was briefly non-existent). Web page looks great.
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20:30<lapfrog>yeah nice page
20:30<sret>ben: nice
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20:30<streuner_>lapfrog: basically yes, but read the release stuff too
20:30<lapfrog>doh too lazy
20:30<lapfrog>i'll do it tomorrow
20:30<lapfrog>ty
20:31<streuner_>np
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20:36<gruetzkopf>doing a 300 MB update right now..
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20:39<JeremyS>I have a git repository with a "master" branch (including the debian directory), and an upstream branch (without the debian directory). How could I convert from this to quilt(3.0) package format?
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20:41<JeremyS>I do not have an orig.tar.gz nor a debian.tar.gz, as all the development was done inside the git repository.
20:42<sney>#debian-mentors for packaging questions
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20:42<fsdqtrcbn>I've just downloaded and successfully booted this image: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso The problem is it won't load CD-ROM drivers, since I am using a USB stick on my eee pc(netbook) that don't has any cd-rom drive.
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20:43<streuner_>dpkg, eeepc
20:43<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net.
20:43<sney>the squeeze installer should work out of the box on most eeepc models
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20:44<sney>fsdqtrcbn: when you say it doesn't load cdrom drivers, what do you mean? what's the error that it gives you?
20:44<fsdqtrcbn>It tells it is a step necessary
20:45<streuner_>what kind of step?
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20:45<fsdqtrcbn>I boot... then... it asks about keymap and timezone ...
20:45<streuner_>the kernel should recognises USB, are you able to tell us if dmesg see the USB CDROM at all?
20:46<streuner_>well, just make the entries then
20:46<fsdqtrcbn>[ !! ] Detect and mount CD-ROM
20:46<streuner_>keymap for your country and timezone
20:46<fsdqtrcbn>I did, worked
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20:46<fsdqtrcbn>Load CD-ROM drivers from removable media?
20:47<fsdqtrcbn>I try yes it won't find it
20:47<fsdqtrcbn>I say no it says step failed
20:47<sney>are you using a cd or are you using the netinst iso on a usb stick?
20:47<fsdqtrcbn>sney: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
20:47<fsdqtrcbn>on a usb stick
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20:48<sney>ok.
20:48<sney>so it doesn't need to load cdrom drivers
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20:48<sney>what happens when you select 'detect and mount cd-rom'
20:48<fsdqtrcbn>It fails then asks if I want to select from a list
20:49<fsdqtrcbn>Manually select a CD-ROM module and device?
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20:50<fsdqtrcbn>The problem is that the next step is "Load componet installer from CD"
20:50<fsdqtrcbn>But I don't have a CD -_________-
20:50<sney>how did you make your usb installer?
20:50<fsdqtrcbn>unetbootin on windows... I choosed syslinux
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20:51<fsdqtrcbn>an select this iso http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
20:51<fsdqtrcbn>then it made it all
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20:52<sney>hmm, because it's supposed to detect the .iso file and use that as the cd
20:52<babilen>Isn't there some win32 installer on the disks?
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20:52<fsdqtrcbn>unebootin is not in the device I want to install debian in
20:52<sney>netbook has no disk drive, but I guess you could put the win32 installer on the usb stick
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20:53<fsdqtrcbn>I am installing it in my netbook, and preparing my usb stick on my desktop
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20:53<fsdqtrcbn>sney: is there this dd and zcat tool for windows perhaps?
20:54<sney>I think there is but using them is annoying
20:54<babilen>fsdqtrcbn: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/ch05s01.html.en#boot-win32 ← follow that. I guess executing "setup.exe" is the easiest approach
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20:55<fsdqtrcbn>babilen: thanks
20:56<babilen>no problem -- have fun!
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21:00<fsdqtrcbn>oh babilen
21:00<fsdqtrcbn>it is to install in the desktop
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21:00<fsdqtrcbn>I want install in my netbook
21:00<sney>fsdqtrcbn: so copy the setup.exe to your netbook and run it there? does your netbook currently have an operating system?
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21:01<fsdqtrcbn>sney: no
21:01<babilen>ah, ok
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21:01<babilen>and you don't have a *nix box around?
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21:01<fsdqtrcbn>no
21:02<fsdqtrcbn>If I had it I would just follow the dd zcat instructions
21:02<sney>sounds like whatever unetbootin does is not compatible with the current squeeze installer iso :/
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21:02<babilen>yeah
21:02<fsdqtrcbn>yeah :(
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21:03<babilen>so, well ... isn't there a "cat" implementation for windows? it seems to be such a basic program.
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21:03<babilen>otherwise: burn live cd, boot, prepare usb according to install guide
21:03<sney>there's echo. but it doesn't really handle writing iostreams the same way
21:03<daniilr>Ура!
21:03<fsdqtrcbn>a netbook doesn't has cd roms
21:03<fsdqtrcbn>:(
21:04<fsdqtrcbn>have*
21:04<babilen>fsdqtrcbn: I was thinking about booting a live cd on your desktop to give you access to a unix environment ... not very elegant
21:04<fsdqtrcbn>oh
21:04<fsdqtrcbn>I have cygwin
21:04<babilen>perfect
21:05<dandersson>cat is not so relevant in an environment that doesn't use plain text as a universal communcation protocol between applications, so it's understandable that it's not included in Windows. The design choice in itself might not be as understandable sometimes :-)
21:05<babilen>dandersson: *shrug* -- my intuition was just: shouldn't be *that* hard to port and it might have been done already
21:05<sney>cygwin I believe does have cat
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21:06<sney>the difficulty is using cat to send the boot.img directly to his usb stick device
21:06<babilen>sney: permission problem?
21:06<sney>no, much more basic
21:07<babilen>ah, i just shut up. i know nothing about windows (i could write some autoexec.bat files, but i guess that is not needed anymore)
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21:07<sney>fsdqtrcbn: I see synrg is helping you anyway, he can make anything work on an eeepc
21:08<fsdqtrcbn>yeah
21:08<fsdqtrcbn>:)
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21:09<noorul>hello all
21:09<edbian>Anyone wanna help me with my cdrom mounting issues? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=59930
21:10<noorul>I just tried to install debian 6.0 using i386 net inst image and it hangs
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21:11<noorul>where to get help?
21:13<edbian>noorul, here. If you're sure the network is up then I suspect bad hardware. That's typically the only reason an install CD hangs.
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21:14<kop>noorul: What do you mean "hang"?
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21:14<noorul>kop: I am facing this problem http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2010-11/msg01044.html
21:15<noorul>edbian: I have been running debian since 2000 and none of the stable installer complained like this. The laptop I am using is IBM ThinkPad R52 and I might have installed from scratch n number of times.
21:16<noorul>edbian: And always using netinst image
21:16<edbian>noorul, Did you read what I said?
21:16<noorul>edbian: yes
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21:16<edbian>I think you have bad hardware. Like something in the laptop broke, cause it's old.
21:17<kop>noorul: Gotta go. Perhaps you should try following the installation instructions. (Although it's hard to see how the install instructions with built-in firmware would fail, execpt for not being up to date with the new release.)
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21:17<noorul>edbian: I think I am facing this problem http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2010-11/msg01044.html
21:17<kop>noorul: I agree with edbain. See about running memtest86+ for starters.
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21:18<edbian>noorul, I guess.
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21:27<noorul>edbian: It is documented here http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware
21:27<noorul>edbian: Actually the new site is up now only
21:27<noorul>edbian: Sorry for the noise
21:27<edbian>noorul, Are you referring to my cdrom problem?
21:28<noorul>edbian: No my problem
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21:28<edbian>noorul, oh, did you run memtest ?
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21:31<noorul>edbian: Not yet. I am downloading a different netinst image now. Once I burn that and I will try with that and if that does not work then I will go for memtest86+
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21:32<edbian>good luck
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21:43<fsdqtrcbn>http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/linux
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21:44<fsdqtrcbn>is this the most recent (today released) thing?
21:44<sney>most likely
21:44<fsdqtrcbn>unetbootin is downloading from there
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21:45<fsdqtrcbn>in fact I am booting it now
21:45<sney>well, good luck
21:45<fsdqtrcbn>can someone confirm if it's squeeze really?
21:45<fsdqtrcbn>please?
21:45<fsdqtrcbn>I am about to install
21:45<sney>anything under 'stable' on ftp.debian.org today is squeeze
21:46<fsdqtrcbn>ok sney I will take your word thanks
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21:47<fsdqtrcbn>no CD-ROM step at this time sney ;-)
21:47<sney>great
21:48<mom>where is the debian live version?
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21:49<sney>live.debian.net
21:49<mom>sney: thanks
21:50<mom>sney: are the debian live install disks capable of doing the install too?
21:50<mom>sney: if i pass them out at the installfest?
21:50<sney>not currently
21:50<mom>sney: ok
21:50<sney>except with something like debootstrap, which would be extra complexity
21:51<abrotman>are they even built yet?
21:51<sney>don't know, but that's where they'd be
21:51<mom>sney: mmm README says Live install image files for Debian 6.0.0 "Squeeze" are still being prepared and will appear here shortly
21:52<sney>ah, figures
21:52<sney>I should just stop answering questions until I've finished reading the release notes
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21:55<babilen>sney: hehe :)
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21:56<planet8>I would like to create a custom bootable cd with 4 different debian business card iso's, is there a tool that can automate this process somehow?
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22:02<brunner>I just installed linux on a new laptop (a Sony Vaio), using the alternate install CD, and the screen is garbled when it boots beyond the BIOS. Are there any fail-proof xorg.conf settings I can use until I figure out why?
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22:02<brunner>s/using the alternate install CD//
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22:04<sney>brunner: beyond the bios? it should give you quite a bit of legible text before it even attempts to start X
22:04<sney>if it's going straight from bios to garbage then your problem is more serious than xorg.conf
22:05<brunner>uhm, I installed a graphical splash screen after the bios
22:05<brunner>I just need fail-proof xorg settings
22:05<politik_>I'm sorry for the question, but someone can help me with an upgrade doubt?
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22:06<sney>brunner: just put Driver "vesa" in your Device section
22:06-!-daniilr [~daniil@77.34.85.240] has joined #debian
22:06<sney>(and comment out any other Driver lines)
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22:06<sney>politik_: this channel is for questions, please ask
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22:07<politik_>I use squeeze in my repositories, and now, is it just change to wheezy in sources.list
22:07<brunner>sney, yes! That's what I was trying to remember!
22:07<brunner>Thank yoU!
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22:10<politik_>Do I need run an apt-get dist-upgrade to continue using testing?
22:10<sney>politik_: wheezy doesn't exist yet
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22:11<mdffn>planet8: Have you looked at http://live.debian.net/ ? live-helper is a tool to automate creating and customising live isos - take a look at http://live.debian.net/manual/en/
22:11<sney>when it does, yes, apt-get dist-upgrade would be the standard upgrade path but BE WARNED there may be weirdness upgrading to a very early testing, since it's basically sid for the first few months
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22:12<mallards>kinda quiet considering its a release
22:12<politik_>sney, ok, thank you for your help
22:13<magyar>congrats to debian dev folks great work!!
22:13<planet8>mdffn, thanks but I was looking for something else.
22:13<sney>I expect the party will really start on monday
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22:14<mallards_>why do you think monday?
22:14<daniilr>Where can i buy this t-shirt? http://svn.debianart.org/themes/spacefun/others/t-shirt.png
22:15<sney>mallards_: because this channel is most active during the work week
22:15<sney>there are a lot of #debian regulars who don't seem to chat from home
22:16<sney>that t-shirt is endearingly dorky and I kinda want one.
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22:34<sret>is there way to check on an ip
22:34<sret>in debian how do you find the location for an ip?
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22:40<planet8>sret, what do you mean? What IP are you searching for?
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22:40<sret>oh just random, is there a way to get debian to search for the location?
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22:41<cjhmdm>Hello everyone. I just wanted to stop in and say congratulations on the new release!
22:41<jmarsden>sret: Check out the geoip package
22:42<sret>jmarsden: thanks
22:42<jmarsden>sret: You're welcome
22:42<sret>jmarsden: the geoip pkg checks with what though?
22:42<kalium>Hi, great news :-)
22:42<jmarsden>With a database, see the geoip-database package
22:43<sret>jmarsden: i have geoip installed
22:43<planet8>sret, sorry, but I did'nt understand you question at first.
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22:43<sret>jmarsden: whats the command to check it from geoip
22:43<jmarsden>sret: So... use geoiplookup :)
22:44<jmarsden>You can use dpkg -L packagename to see what files packagename installs, by the way.
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22:44<planet8>sret, or ip2location.com :)
22:45<jmarsden>sret: or man -k geoip would tell you what commands might be relevant
22:45<sret>yeah i just updated and i think i updated like 1000 files/pkgs or something
22:45<sret>:D
22:45<sret>jmarsden: thanks
22:45<jmarsden>You're welcome
22:45<cjhmdm>out of curiosity, how 'stable' is the kfreebsd tech preview, purely for desktop environment/toying around
22:45<sney>for just messing about it is apparently quite usable.
22:46<sret>if i do a man -k geoip it outputs nothing
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22:48<sret>ah had to install the geoip command lib too:d i just had the database
22:48<jmarsden>sret: Really? Here it shows me http://pastebin.com/Yhp5mZLG
22:48<jmarsden>Ah, OK :)
22:49<sret>yeah and its geoiplookup and for some versions geoip-lookup
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22:49<jmarsden>sret: I tend to do geo and then hit the TAB key anyway :)
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22:50<cjhmdm>do any of you guys know of a better tool for selecting fastest mirror besides netselect-apt? For some reason, it goes through the whole process, but shows no actual mirrors when printing results ><
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22:51<sret>jmarsden: oh nice thanks
22:51<sney>my best tool for selecting fastest mirror is to look through the list and select the one physically closest
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22:51<sney>my 1500K/s apt updates reinforce this method
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22:52<sret>not everything thats the closest has to be the fastest:P
22:52<babilen>cjhmdm: you could try apt-spy as well
22:52<sret>though more often than not it is
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22:53<cjhmdm>well, I'm living in the Philippines.. no local mirror here (though even if there was one it would likely be the absolute slowest lol), I used to use taiwans mirrors but they have taken a big hit lately >< My net is a measly 3mbps (~350kbps max d/l speed)
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22:53<sret>cjhmdm: try singapore or something
22:53<sret>anything in the south east should do it for you
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22:54<cjhmdm>yeah, I've spent all of last evening manually trying mirrors, then tried netselect-apt with no luck.. I'll give apt-spy a try and see if that gives me anything good.. if not then I'll just keep on with the manual method ><
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22:55<sret>what are you trying to do though
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22:55<cjhmdm>find a mirror that d/l's packages for me faster than 40kbps ><
22:56<sret>ok
22:56<sret>moveto the US:P
22:56<cjhmdm>in reality, my net is horrible when compared to most of the rest of the world.. but there's gotta be a mirror out there that will at least use what I have available ><
22:57<sney>yeah, sounds like an issue
22:57<sney>apt-spy, I guess
22:58<cjhmdm>I would, but i have a big problem with the upcoming police state, so I'll stay here for now :P (sorry, no politics)
22:58<babilen>sret: The US is hardly the place to move to when you want more bandwidth
22:58<jmarsden>babilen: That depends where you are moving *from*, doesn't it? :)
22:58<sney>just move to anywhere that has a local university mirror, and make sure to live a couple miles from the university at most
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22:59<chealer>hum, 257 updates from 1173 installed. looks like a few maintainers didn't keep their shiny stuff in experimental :-)
22:59<babilen>chealer: on sid?
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23:09<matlads>cjhmdm: did you say 3mbps was measly?
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23:11<retrospectacus>WOOOOOOOOO SQUEEEEEZE
23:11<retrospectacus>!champagne everyone
23:11*dpkg puts on a sexy miniskirt and showers everyone in the finest Mercier champagne.
23:12<amphi>heh
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23:12<retrospectacus>I need a torrent link, stat!
23:12<dyek>Hi! I ran out of disk space at (debian package) INSTALL, when building kernel source using 'fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=NouveauKernel.1.0', which corresponds to "debian/rules DEBIAN_REVISION=NouveauKernel.1.0 INITRD=YES". Now that I freed some space to continue, how should I continue with package building as if I hadn't ran into disk space issue? Do I run debian/rules with an appropriate make-target?
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23:13<cjhmdm>retrospectacus: yes, 3mbps is measly ><
23:13<dyek>Or there is another (higher-level) command that make-kpkg invokes? Anybody knows how to continue an interrupted make-kpkg run from the debian package building stage, so not to necessarily rebuild all binaries?
23:13<cjhmdm>retrospectacus: especially considering how much I pay for it as opposed to most other places ><
23:14<dyek>s/necessarily/unnecessarily/
23:14<retrospectacus>I think you're trying to address someone else, but I doubt you pay as much as me for as little bandwidth
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23:15<kayzarg>hola alguien habla espa;ol
23:15<jmarsden>!es
23:15<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
23:15<kayzarg>ok
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23:16<cjhmdm>retrospectacus: yes, my apologies.. I misread above ><
23:16<cjhmdm>matlads: see my replies above :P
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23:17<babilen>retrospectacus: http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/
23:17<dyek>Hmm... It looks like "make-kpkg kernel_image" actually doesn't clean out all binaries and rebuilt them: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz under "Special needs". That is probably just what I need..
23:17<cjhmdm>but yeah, I currently pay just under $100 usd for 3mbps.. this is internet only, oh and a landline I can't use except to call my internet's customer service line.. no cable tv, etc ><
23:17<retrospectacus>!beer babilen
23:17*dpkg pulls out an exquisite Bornem Tripple for babilen
23:19<babilen>yay! champagne for everyone but i get a beer .. (not sure if Bornem Tripple is actually beer)
23:19<jmarsden>cjhmdm: back when I lived in the Philippines, it took me two years just to get a dialup phone line :) Compared to that, $100/mo for 3Mbps is *great*
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23:22<cjhmdm>jmarsden: been here for 6+ years now, and while I admit technology has slightly improved, it is improving at a turtle-pace rate >< I really don't want to take this channel too far off topic htough :P in the end, I'll try each mirror one by one until I find one that maximizes the speeds I do have ><
23:23<jmarsden>cjhmdm: OK. I was based over there from 1988 to 1993 :)
23:24<cjhmdm>jmarsden: well that explains it :P (A lot has changed since btw, have you ever been back since?)
23:25<jmarsden>Came back in... 1996 I think? Not since then. Met and married my wife over there, will probably return at some point.
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23:28<chealer>babilen: testing
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23:29<chealer>big migration from unstable now that testing is unfrozen
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23:31<cpatrick08>can somebody tell me how much longer till the testing repos will get the wheezy updates
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23:41<Sylphid>hey all, im needing a hand installing squeeze. Im installing from usb media and have tried all partitions (including boot) on lvm, boot on a physical partition and everything else on lvm, and single partition with no lvm. this is on a latitude E6510 sharing disk with a windows install. Have tried root partition as jfs and ext4, i get a grub prompt, boot starts, then after some text my screen blank and speakers burp at me f
23:41<Sylphid>or .5 a second then nothing, and i cant switch to a tty... just croaks. sometimes acpi shutdown works sometimes it doesnt
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23:44<Sylphid>ohh ...amd64
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23:44<user01_>Intel Pentium M 750 cant do x64 right?
23:44<Sylphid>its an i5
23:45<user01_>Sylphid, wha? no its a pentium M
23:45<cpatrick08>sylphid: download unetbootin and choose distro debian stable hdmedia or hdmediax64 depending on which one you are trying to install then put the iso on the usb media then it should install
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23:46<cpatrick08>that is what i did and i am typing from the squeeze install right now
23:46<Sylphid>cpatrick08, the install completes "successfully" just wont boot
23:46<user01_>cpatrick08, the download on the main page of debian is for both i386 and x64 i think
23:46<cpatrick08>ok
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23:47<cpatrick08>your right user01_ it is for both
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23:50<cpatrick08> can somebody tell me how much longer till the testing repos will get the wheezy updates
23:51<Habstinat>Hi, the "service" command isn't found on my system, what packages would I need to install or what place would I need to look to get that working?
23:51<user01_>cpatrick08, i think there is a certain length of time
23:51<user01_>cpatrick08, beofre unstable is stable enough to go into testing
23:52<sney>it'll happen some point in the next week or so, but 'testing' will essentially be sid for the first few months
23:52<gsimmons>Habstinat: sysvinit-utils, which is an essential package.
23:52<dondelelcaro>no. testing is just a fork of what is released as squeeze until new packages flow into it
23:53<dondelelcaro>testing gets unfrozen, and new packages flow in as usual
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23:54<cpatrick08>ok thanks
23:54<jmarsden>Habstinat: Try /usr/sbin/service ?
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23:54<noob>hi
23:54<sney>hi
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23:56<sney>please keep questions to the channel
23:56<Guest425>any 1 der to chat
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23:56<sney>this is not a social channel, if you have a debian question we can help you, otherwise please find somewhere else to hang out
23:56<Guest425>any 1 know how to do host only networking in vmware?
23:58<jmarsden>Guest425: Try the #vmware channel on Freenode.
23:59<Guest425>need to knw the networking for backtrack in vmware ... anyone?
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