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00:00<administrator>hi
00:00<Guest425>hi admin
00:00<cpatrick08>hi
00:01<jmarsden>Guest425: For backtrack, try the #backtrack-linux channel on Freenode. This channel is for Debian support. Not vmware, and not backtrack.
00:01<administrator>what is linux ? it is not the same with windows.
00:01<Guest425>lol
00:01<sney>you can say that again
00:02<Guest425>haha
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00:02<jmarsden>sney: Don't say that, he'll repeat it :)
00:02<Guest425>wtf
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00:02<administrator>Are you Chinese? I think a lot setup it but I don't know how to use.
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00:03<jmarsden>!cn
00:03<dpkg>i heard cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
00:03<Habstinat>gsimmons: jmarsden: I have the newest version of sysvinit-utils. Nothing in /usr/sbin either.
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00:06<jmarsden>Habstinat: Check what dpkg -L sysvinit-utils |grep service outputs.
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00:07<gsimmons>Habstinat: Is this a Lenny system? You probably want service(8) from the sysvconfig package.
00:07<Habstinat>jmarsden: No output.
00:07<Habstinat>gsimmons: It is a Lenny system. I'll try that.
00:08*jmarsden thinks that if it is a Lenny system, he doesn't "have the newest version of sysvinit-utils" by definition.
00:08<sney>s/newest/newest available
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00:10<Habstinat>gsimmons: That seemed to have done the trick. Thanks!
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00:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 500] by debhelper
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00:24<Sylphid>ok nouveau is killing my display
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00:27<Sylphid>so is gnome thought its slightly better when nouveau is purged
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00:28<sney>I am not a fan of nouveau either
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00:49<Travis>hi
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00:50<retrospectacus>hello
00:50<Travis>i just got bt 4 runinh
00:50<retrospectacus>cool. This channel is for Debian though
00:50<sney>!bt4
00:50<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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00:51<retrospectacus>!champagne babilen
00:51*dpkg puts on a black catsuit and showers babilen in the finest Mercier champagne.
00:51<babilen>\o/
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00:53<Travis>ah lol oops
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00:54<mothermcfucker>Yay
00:54<mothermcfucker>squeeze
00:54<sney>yay indeed
00:55<mothermcfucker>Yay for sney and that's okay
00:55<sney>you know, because of your name, I will probably never get used to you not being a troll
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00:56<mothermcfucker>Hmm
00:56<mothermcfucker>I'm killing time while rebuilding the 9.0 kernel for FreeBSD ppc
00:56<babilen>sney has a point
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00:57<retrospectacus>!lameometer mothermcfucker
00:57<dpkg>'mothermcfucker' is 62.000% lame, retrospectacus
00:57<babilen>yay! funkyHat loves to be renamed
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00:58<mothermcfucker>It needs to be spelled lame-o-meter, if not it woud sound:
00:58<mothermcfucker>lah mee oh mee ter
00:58<mothermcfucker>would
00:58<sney>i usually see it as nickometer
00:58<mothermcfucker>nih kah meh ter?
00:58<sney>you're reaching
00:59<babilen>sney: Are you sure of the "not being a troll" part?
00:59<mothermcfucker>nihk ahm eh ter?
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00:59<mothermcfucker>look at how the word is spelled
00:59<mothermcfucker>and then place it into a screen reader
00:59<sney>babilen: well, he was helpful last time he was here
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01:00<mothermcfucker>place the words lameometer and nickometer into ksayit and tell me how it is pronounced
01:00<sney>though ot rambling is not usually a troll indicator
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01:00<noorul>hello fellow debian users
01:01<mothermcfucker>hey
01:01<noorul>I am facing an issue while installing squeeze using netinst CD image
01:01<mothermcfucker>I'd like to know if anyone has natively built emdebian ppc packages on the ppc platform
01:01<mothermcfucker>what's the problem?
01:02<noorul>http://pastebin.com/KzRyxQFk
01:03<kop>noorul: Bad floppy?
01:03<noorul>I do not have floppy drive
01:03<noorul>and the image contains firmware
01:04<noorul>I downloaded the image from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
01:04<noorul>as per http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware
01:04<kop>noorul: Perhaps you could use an image that does not contain firmware and put the firmware somewhere else. Or tell your bios you don't have a floppy. That might or might not help. If not then file a bug report.
01:04<babilen>noorul: Give more details (which image, why does it contain firmware, medium used, installation technique, actual problems)
01:04<noorul>kop: I did that first
01:05<kop>noorul: Which "that"?
01:05<mothermcfucker>What machine is it? Model?
01:06<noorul>kop: I did try with the one from here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.0-i386-netinst.iso
01:06<noorul>kop: It gave me the same problem. I thought that it might be looking for firmware from floppy drive
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01:06<noorul>kop: So I went ahead and downloaded the one with firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
01:06<noorul>kop: which is also giving the same problem
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01:07<noorul>mothermcfucker: I have IBM ThinkPad R52
01:07<sney>I wonder if the kmuto installer would work
01:07<noorul>kmuto?
01:07<sney>though I guess those are just for leenny
01:07<sney>lenny*
01:08<sney>!kmuto
01:08<dpkg>For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
01:08<noorul>Do you think I should file a bug? Or is there any place where I can confirm before filing one?
01:08<noorul>sney: they are for lenny
01:09<sney>I believe installer bugs are filed under debian-installer, one thing to do would be to browse bugs.debian.org for similar/the same problems
01:09<sney>you could install the absolute barebones netinst lenny and upgrade
01:10<noorul>sney: I am using lenny now
01:10<noorul>sney: I want to do a fresh install
01:10<sney>ok
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01:13<retrospectacus>!beer Veggiesaurus
01:13*dpkg pulls out a nicely refined Yuengling Lager for Veggiesaurus
01:13<kop>noorul: It'd still be fresh. :-P
01:13<noorul>kop: I want to wipe off my harddisk
01:13<Veggiesaurus>mmmm... Lager
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01:14<kop>noorul: So _install_ lenny.
01:14<noorul>kop: I am already on lenny. I want to wipe off my hard disk and bring it up with squeeze
01:14<noorul>kop: This is what I am trying to do.
01:14<mothermcfucker>install a simple base , kernel, and tools, nothing else
01:15<kop>noorul: Install a minimal lenny and upgrade to squeeze. Ta-Dah! Fresh install.
01:15<mothermcfucker>I have an m275 which is only a few years older
01:16<babilen>we can't advocate lenny->squeeze for new installs for ages.
01:16<sney>noorul: you should look for a bug and/or file one, though
01:16<mothermcfucker>I'd say no
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01:16<mothermcfucker>How much did you try to install? a working desktop?
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01:17<babilen>noorul: I don't think that the unofficial dailies were part of the official cd built run ... What is the actual error you get?
01:17<jthill>I can't seem to find what name to feed to speaker-test. everything I try says ALSA lib pcm.c:2190:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM *foo*
01:17<jthill>where *foo* is everything I've tried
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01:18<jthill>from /dev. from /sys/class/sound/id. from the names shown on alsamixer.
01:18<kop>I can look in mirror-logs/debian-mirror.log to see how recent a mirror is, but how do I tell whether a mirror really has squeeze on it?
01:18<noorul>babilen: http://pastebin.com/ALa30wPV
01:18<jthill>from the tags in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
01:18<noorul>babilen: That is what I get when I use 6.0.0 official netinst i386 image
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01:19<kop>noorul: You could try upgrading your bios.
01:19<noorul>mothermcfucker: Why should I not file a bug?
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01:20<mothermcfucker>You can if you want
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01:20<noorul>mothermcfucker: I think you said no
01:20<babilen>noorul: Ok, bunch of warnings/errors about firmware and fat filesystems. Why do you use fat?
01:20<mothermcfucker>but did you try to install an entire environment or just a basic working system?
01:20<jthill>where can I find what device names to feed to speaker-test, please?
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01:20<noorul>babilen: I am not using FAT file system. I don't even have a floppy drive
01:21<retrospectacus>!speaker-test
01:21<dpkg>i guess speaker-test is do; "speaker-test -tsine -f440 -c2" or perhaps "speaker-test -t wav -c 2" for a nicer female voice, instead of a tone to test if speakers are working in alsa (install alsa-utils), ask me about <alsa checklist> and <soundcheck>
01:21<noorul>babilen: isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=sda2, iso_blknum=16, block=32
01:21<babilen>noorul: From what kind of media are you installing?
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01:22<noorul>babilen: sda2 is extended partition
01:22<noorul>babilen: CD
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01:24<babilen>noorul: And what is happening? The network autoconfiguration fails and you do not want or can not proceed?
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01:25<noorul>babilen: Nothing happens. The screen stays with no message
01:25<jthill>retrospectacus: thanks, I've been down those roads. I can actually get it working with pulse, when I set my .asoundrc to http://pastebin.com/MxyGEf5m
01:25<jthill>then all is good, speakertest works, everything.
01:25<babilen>noorul: Ok, do you need your wifi card?
01:25<noorul>babilen: I am not able to proceed
01:26<noorul>babilen: not necessary initially. I can configure that later. But installer is not asking me a question
01:26<noorul>babilen: It straight away tries to configure my wifi device
01:26<jthill>but I want to try jack, and I figured the thing to do was to pull the pulse part out. if I remove .asoundrc, alsamixer still knows about all the devices and I can tweak settings and volumes,
01:26<kop>noorul: You tried expert mode?
01:26<noorul>kop: no
01:27<jthill>but I can't get any sound out and speaker-test can't find a damn thing even though alsamixer will happily show me everything.
01:27<noorul>kop: I think that is not the point here.
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01:27<noorul>kop: I can live with lenny
01:27<kop>noorul: That might give you options. Just a thought. (I've not been following closely.)
01:27<noorul>kop: The question is why squeeze installer is failing on a laptop that survived almost all versions of debian
01:28<sney>indeed
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01:29<jthill>I've tried the alsaproject site. I've tried the man pages, which give me lengthy and loving details about what"+=" and "-=" mean. But nothing ties what I put on the command line to any identifier I can find, anywhere.
01:29<babilen>noorul: Ok, I would try these things: 1. Supply http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-ipw2x00 on an USB stick or 2. Choose "expert" install and skip the network device configuration and detection and just install a minimal system
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01:29<babilen>noorul: And yes, you want to report that bug.
01:29<noorul>babilen: Let me try export mode
01:30<babilen>noorul: I will not you :)
01:30<babilen>*stop
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01:31<babilen>busybox has curl doesn't it?
01:32<babilen>another idea would be to drop to a shell, just install the firmware package manually (download it and dpkg -i) ..
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01:34<kop>Is there any one file/flag on a mirror that can be examined to see if it's got squeeze?
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01:36<kop>FYI, ZykoticK9 has had an interesting not-able-to-boot the squeeze install cd problem in the last 15 minutes or so over on freenode. I wonder if it has to do with configuring syslinux so that the image can be copied straight to usb stick?)
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01:52<FreddyCruger>Hello all
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01:53<FreddyCruger>kinda lot of peopla here
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02:20<mitt>hola.. anybody able to point me at documentation to determine how well squeeze will handle my netbook (gma500 chipset =/)
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02:26<yondering>hello.. anyone experimented with squeeze on a poulsbo (gma500) video chip?
02:26<gsimmons>yondering: Not supported, TTBOMK.
02:26<gsimmons>dpkg: poulsbo
02:26<dpkg>Poulsbo is the codename of Intel's first System Controller Hub, found in several <netbooks>. Its GMA 500 graphics core is not supported by the intel Xorg driver; ITP xserver-xorg-video-psb filed as Debian bug #533450. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poulsbo_(chipset)#GMA_500_Linux_support http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA#GMA_500_on_Linux
02:27<yondering>gsimmons, thanks.
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02:28<yondering>I keep hoping a new dist release will support this netbook properly.. that's what I get for impulse buying.
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02:29<tomi>hi
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02:30<Hydroxide>hi tomi :)
02:30<tomi>if postgres 8.4.7 go into squeeze ?
02:31<tomi>first must go in testing , im right ?
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02:31<bartm>tomi, right
02:31<Hydroxide>tomi: no new upstream versions of anything are going to go into squeeze. debian doesn't do that for any stable releases including (as of now) squeeze
02:31<Hydroxide>tomi: however, debian will apply security fixes to squeeze's postgresql
02:31<bartm>tomi, after testing it can go to backports
02:31<Hydroxide>tomi: and really critical bug fixes
02:32<Hydroxide>but, yes, bartm is right, squeeze-backports will allow a newer pg. I guess it's up to maintainers of the backports whether they want to bother with 8.4.7 or just provide 9.0 only
02:33<tomi>hm, but in lenny, new upstream release of 8.3.* are put into lenny , why ?
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02:34<Hydroxide>tomi: are you sure? I don't think any new release of postgresql has gotten into lenny since 2009, except security fixes to the existing lenny version
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02:37<tomi>Hydroxide
02:37<tomi>Hydroxide: i am almost sure
02:37<Hydroxide>tomi: indeed, you are right ... in that case it is probably because upstream's releases contained only things that are suitable for debian stable updates, which is not generally true for our upstreams
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02:39<tomi>so if for prostgres upstream are put into stable, new 8.4 will be put into squeeze to ?
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02:39<tomi>Hydroxide: 8.3.14 was release 2011.02.01
02:39<tomi>so it must be added to lenny last week
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02:40<Hydroxide>tomi: squeeze *is* our stable now ... if postgresql 8.4.6 and 8.4.7 contain only improvements that are suitable for debian stable updates, then yes, it might still make it into squeeze. if it contains other stuff like new features, the security and critical bugfixes will get backported but the new features won't
02:40<tomi>ok
02:40<tomi>thanks
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02:41<Hydroxide>tomi: if you are specifically concerned with the security fixes mentioned at http://www.postgresql.org/about/news.1289 I am sure debian will put those into squeeze, yes.
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02:42<Hydroxide>tomi: at least the security fixes that are relevant to 8.4.x
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02:44<tomi>thanks
02:44<rgwan>Are there any Chinese on here?:-D
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02:46<angel>just us monkeys
02:47<rgwan>Monkeys?
02:47<rgwan>What is the mean?
02:47<angel>its just sleep talk
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02:47<angel>please ignore
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02:48<rgwan>oh.
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02:49<rgwan>squeeze is released?
02:49<Hydroxide>yes
02:49<rgwan>It 's new stable version?
02:49<Hydroxide>it is! :)
02:49<rgwan>Oh. But the software version......
02:49<rgwan>is older than Ubuntu?
02:50<Hydroxide>probably more stable, too
02:50<rgwan>I have use debian lenny.
02:50<rgwan>oh
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02:50<Hydroxide>it's way newer than lenny
02:50<rgwan>Yes!
02:50<Hydroxide>squeeze froze last august
02:50<Hydroxide>and has gotten lots of testing then
02:50<Hydroxide>*since then
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02:50<rgwan>oh.
02:50<rgwan>I have test on virtual machine.
02:50<Hydroxide>just like you would want for something called "stable" :)
02:50<rgwan>and install to my conputer
02:50<Hydroxide>lots of testing and fixing, that is
02:50<rgwan>oh,yes
02:51<rgwan>I want to test this for my VM.
02:51<rgwan>I am using Ubuntu now.
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02:52<Hydroxide>sure, go ahead and test. squeeze is definitely much better than lenny :)
02:52<Gurka>I can't install squeeze, I get this message http://paste.debian.net/106657/ and a prompt. How to fix it?
02:52<Hydroxide>if you have any problems, or even if you want to report a success, feel free to file an installation report
02:52-!-babilen [~babilen@5add12fa.bb.sky.com] has joined #debian
02:52<Hydroxide>and ask for help here if you want
02:52<Hydroxide>if you need it
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02:53<bartm>Gurka, what was happening when this error message appeared?
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02:54<rgwan>In squeeze.As for hardware drivers.It that no problem?My VGA Card is nVIDIA GT240
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02:54<Gurka>bartm: It said "Boot from CD/DVD..." and suddenly BOOM! "Minimal BASH-like..."
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02:54<Gurka>it gives a couple of commands to use too
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02:55<rgwan>Your are in GRUB command line
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02:55<quiritus>it seems they didn't update www.debian.org, only debian.org has the new look
02:55<rgwan>What CD do you use?
02:55<bartm>quiritus, reload?
02:55<rgwan>net install CD?
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02:55<rgwan>OR full version CD?
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02:55<quiritus>ah, yes ))
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02:55<rgwan>full version CD
02:56<Gurka>I've tried them all...
02:56<rgwan>.............
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02:56<rgwan>what Options do you select?
02:56<rgwan>Install to your computer?
02:56<rgwan>or boot from first HDD?
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02:57<Gurka>Installing to my computer yes, no VM or something, booting from the CD
02:57<rgwan>oh.use your physical machine
02:57<rgwan>an your select "Install to your computer"
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02:58<rgwan>computer echo "Mini Bash-Like shell?"
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02:58<rgwan>YES?
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02:58<Gurka>I didn't get to choose anything
02:58<rgwan>................................
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02:58<bartm>Gurka, which cd exactly?
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02:59<bartm>Gurka, the multi-arch netinst ?
02:59<Gurka>debian-6.0.0-kfreebsd-amd64-CD-1
02:59<rgwan>AMD64
02:59<rgwan>test x86
02:59<Gurka>but I tried the business and netinst too
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02:59<rgwan>could you use x86 cd ?
02:59<rgwan>.........
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03:00<Gurka>Haven't tried that, but I want x86_64..
03:00<rgwan>Gurka,Could you download a first x86
03:00<rgwan>...............................
03:00<bartm>Gurka, looks like you found a bug worth reporting in the bug tracking system
03:00<rgwan>I am use x86 now.
03:00<Gurka>I will try the x86..
03:00<rgwan>can you report this error to debian.org?>
03:00<rgwan>..................
03:00<rgwan>OK.
03:00<rgwan>x86
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03:01<rgwan>Oh .Sorry.My english is too bad.......
03:01<rgwan>syntax error.......
03:01<Gurka>I don't know how to use the bug tracking system
03:01<cahoot>Gurka: kfreebsd?
03:01<rgwan>kfreebsd?
03:01<rgwan>not Linux Kernel?
03:02<Gurka>nope, kfreebsd
03:02<Gurka>I want ZFS
03:02<cahoot>just checking
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03:02<rgwan>I think kfreebsd on debian is not stable
03:03<rgwan>can you use linux based debian?>
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03:03<rgwan>....Oh no .debian based linux
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03:03<nevyn>rgwan: kfreebsd is supported as of squeeze
03:04<rgwan>Yes.But it is don 't stabler than linux.I think
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03:06<Hydroxide>rgwan: the kfreebsd ports are listed as a "technology preview", which should work nicely for the common server software but has some limitations, especially in the area of advanced desktop features. that's pretty close to a direct quote from the announcement
03:07<Hydroxide>Gurka: you can file an installation report (or any debian bug) via email
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03:08<Hydroxide>Gurka: see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s04.html#submit-bug ... it has a template you can just put into an email and complete.
03:08<Gurka>Hydroxide: thanks
03:08<Hydroxide>np
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03:08<Hydroxide>Gurka: follow-ups will be via email too.
03:08<Hydroxide>very easy.
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03:09<Hydroxide>Gurka: obviously only some of that can be provided for a failed install, but do what you can, and respond to follow-ups from the team
03:09<Hydroxide>good luck!
03:09<Gurka>:)
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03:12<rgwan>Yes.squeeze 's software version is very new!
03:12<rgwan>I love them.
03:13<Hydroxide>great!
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03:14<rgwan>Thanks!
03:15<rgwan>but it's hang in create new user GUI.
03:15<Hydroxide>oh?
03:15<Hydroxide>how so?
03:16<rgwan>here http://www.kmlinux.tk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Screenshot2.png
03:16<rgwan>mouse can move.But can't click the button!
03:17<Hydroxide>hm. can you click the button with the keyboard? use tab to go to the button you want to click and then press spacebar
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03:17<Gurka>kfreebsd x86...same problem. I gonna try the linux version now
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03:18<thietanen>whee, lenny-to-squeeze upgrade completed without a hitch
03:18<sney>hooray!
03:18<sney>it really works well when you do it right
03:18<Hydroxide>thietanen: woo :)
03:19<Hydroxide>Gurka: I can easily believe it might be something about your hardware that is confusing the kfreebsd installer. it is pretty new with fewer guarantees than the well-tested linux ports. (so your installation reports will help!) the linux ports will probably work for you, as for most people.
03:20<rgwan>I am restart the vm
03:20<rgwan>test again
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03:27<rgwan>OK.The user name and password will OK
03:27<rgwan>It 's download base system now.
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03:31<Gurka>the linux version works
03:36<Hydroxide>rgwan, Gurka: cool.
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03:37<rgwan>OK.There install program are finish it job
03:37<rgwan>reboot now.
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03:50<ohwow>hmm
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03:50<ohwow>would it be a bad idea, if i just keep using lenny?
03:51<_Alex__>ohwow: Alot of people still use sid
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03:51<ohwow>_Alex__: ?
03:51<_Alex__>lol
03:51<ohwow>sid is like supernew
03:51<cahoot>ohwow: no pressing need to upgrade for a year
03:51<_Alex__>Sid is Debian 3
03:51<ohwow>:O
03:52<_Alex__>Squeeze is supernew
03:52<retrospectacus>!woody
03:52<dpkg>Woody is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10, ISOs are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/ . See also <woody sources.list> and <woody->sarge>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWoody
03:52<retrospectacus>!sid
03:52<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
03:52<_Alex__>Aha
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03:55<retrospectacus>_Alex__, you may have been thinking of Debian 3.1, codename sarge
03:55<_Alex__>aha, but what is Sid, anywais
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03:56<sney>sid is the infinite unstable
03:56<_Alex__>Aha
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03:56<retrospectacus>I think I heard somewhere < dpkg> sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. etc...
03:56<sney>my favourite sid factoid:
03:56<sney>!broken in sid
03:56<dpkg>Well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. See <sid>, <break>.
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03:57<Lethalman>while this is a fact: testing is more broken than sid for desktops
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03:57<sney>that depends wildly on what hardware and software combination is in use.
03:58<_Alex__>lol
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04:11<grummund>Hi, if files are left over after a package remove, can these be purged with apt-something?
04:11<sney>yes!
04:11<sney>in fact, you're already on the right track
04:11<_Alex__>apt-get purge packagename
04:11<sney>because it's aptitude (or apt-get) purge packagename
04:11<sney>and there's a way to tell aptitude to purge all removed, but I can't remember the exact syntax
04:11<grummund>but that only works if the package is installed, right?
04:11<sney>nope
04:12<sney>it works as long as it hasn't been purged already
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04:12<grummund>hmm, not working here
04:13<lainer>ðóññêèåõ òóò íåòó ?
04:13<sney>!ru
04:13<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
04:13<_Alex__>What launguage is that?
04:13<sney>russian with a codepage you're not using
04:13<_Alex__>Lol
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04:14<_Alex__>Is it only me, or do Russian spammers add you on ICQ too?
04:14<sney>I don't have icq
04:15<grummund>apt-get remove --purge apache2.2-common
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04:15<grummund>should that remove the file /etc/logrotate.d/apache2 ??
04:16<_Alex__>I think
04:16<jimpanse>good morning
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04:17<grummund>"Package apache2.2-common is not installed, so not removed" -- http://pastebin.com/2djxR3Mv
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04:18<_Alex__>try just as superuser 'apt-get purge apache2.2-common'
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04:19<grummund>hmm, i didn't know about that command... but still it doesn't remove the file
04:19<s_i_m>does anyone like the new website look?
04:20<_Alex__>or you can type as superuser "rm -f /etc/logrotate.d/apache2"
04:20<_Alex__>I like the new site
04:20<sney>I like it, it's more modern
04:20<sney>about time they entered the era of post-90s web design
04:20<grummund>_Alex__: sure, i can do that.
04:20<cahoot>grummund: perhaps this? http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/01/31/debian-cleanup-tip-1-get-rid-of-useless-configuration-files/
04:20<s_i_m>hm, for me this design looks like a forum site or similar...
04:21<s_i_m>it is not the best possible one for sure
04:21<cahoot>grummund: perhaps this? aptitude purge ~c
04:21<_Alex__>I liked the old design, looked cool, and retro, but the new one is not bad
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04:22<devil>s_i_m: so they did'nt use the one you provided? ;)
04:23<s_i_m>devil, that is a typical problem with Debian: they do not listen to my advices =)
04:23<devil>s_i_m: i know the feeling.
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04:30<gil-galad>ok, time to upgrade my eeepc from lenny to squeeze :)
04:31<sney>don't forget to upgrade udev and the kernel first!
04:32<gil-galad>nah, i think i'll just do a fresh install, i've already backuped stuff i wanted..
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04:33<sney>that works too
04:33<sney>(usually)
04:33<gil-galad>:)
04:33<sney>don't forget- the new netinst iso is a hybrid image, so it can be written directly to the usb stick, unlike the previous usb install technique
04:34<gil-galad>yep but i had problems with that on a *buntu box
04:34<gil-galad>permission denied for /dev/sdd
04:34<gil-galad>even with sudo access
04:34<sney>problems? on *buntu? no
04:35<gil-galad>i had to do it with unetbootin
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04:35<sney>I should go to bed, I'm too drunk to be useful
04:35<_Alex__>Weird, dd worked fine for me
04:35<sney>have fun with your upgrade
04:35<_Alex__>sdd????
04:35<_Alex__>Don't you mean sdb?
04:35<sney>if you add more question marks, maybe it makes it more of a question?
04:36<sney>maybe some people's computers have more than two disk devices that the kernel sees as a scsi device
04:36<_Alex__>wow
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04:37<sney>my old sun machine had them all the way out to sdf, I bet that blows your mind
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04:42<gil-galad>yeah sdd, it was a sdhc card plugged in a usb card reader
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04:43<gil-galad>had no luck in booting it with ext4 formatting, i had to format it to fat
04:45<gil-galad>i'm wondering what are the minimal packets for a X install with : will xinit xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse xfonts-base do it ?
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04:45<gil-galad>it's a gma900 chipset i think
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04:49<Edkei>Hello guys
04:49<Edkei>can anyone help me?
04:49<gsimmons>Edkei: Just go ahead and describe your problem.
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04:50<Edkei>I wanna install framework 4 on my linux vps (debian) and idk how. I was searching in google but i found nothing
04:50<Edkei>sorry for my poor english ;/
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04:52<Edkei>gsimmons?
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04:53<_Alex__>what is a framework?
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04:53<Edkei>framework .NET
04:54<_Alex__>I think that is Microsoft ONLY!
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04:54<Edkei>i know, but with MONO you can install it on linux
04:54<Edkei>i installed framework 2,5
04:54<Edkei>on my linux vps
04:54<Edkei>but i need 4 and idk how to install it
04:54<_Alex__>Hmmmm
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04:57<arctanx>Edkei: Have you seen http://mono-project.com/Compatibility ?
04:57<arctanx>Features from the .NET framework version 4.0 are provided by mono version 2.8
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04:58<arctanx>and possibly by earlier version of mono too. my point is that there's not a mono version 4.0 to correspond to .NET 4.0
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05:00<Edkei>i know
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05:00<rjm>congrats @ debian 6 release!
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05:01<_Alex__>Lol, Squeeze is getting old, i think ill install wheeze
05:01<_Alex__>*wheezy
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05:03<gil-galad>ok, now i'll install lxde
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05:04<MeglaW>so wheeze is the next unstable/testing?
05:04<_Alex__>yes
05:05<_Alex__>wheezy, not wheeze
05:05<_Alex__>!wheezy
05:05<dpkg>The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>.
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05:06<MeglaW>can i do the apt-dist-upgrade for it now?
05:06<_Alex__>yes
05:06<MeglaW>yay
05:06<_Alex__>i am going to too
05:06<MeglaW>i´ll start modding my sources then. :)
05:06<nevyn>!sid users
05:07<valdyn>nows the time where huge breakage might come to wheezy... though i dont know which transitions are there going to be
05:07<MeglaW>hehe
05:07<MeglaW>this box has done 3 dist-upgrades
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05:08<valdyn>drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 1. Jan 2005 debian-installer
05:08<valdyn>not that old..
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05:09<MeglaW>running update
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05:11<MeglaW> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y
05:11<MeglaW>hahahah
05:11<gil-galad>x + lxde install success, it's beautiful :)
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05:13<l0p3z>hi, i have a little problem. I want to install btg on a debian lenny but when I try to configure it I obtain Requested 'libtorrent >= 0.12' but version of libtorrent is 0.11.9
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05:14<l0p3z>how can I upgrade libtorrent?
05:14<jimpanse>hey someone know where i can order those Tshirts? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/SpaceFun#T-Shirt
05:14<valdyn>!ssb
05:14<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
05:14<valdyn>l0p3z: ^^
05:18<cahoot>does openssh in debian care about hosts.allow/deny?
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05:19<l0p3z>thanks
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05:21<cahoot>nvm - I see libwrap is a dep
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05:24<MeglaW>meglaw@meglaw:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
05:24<MeglaW>6.0
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05:24<MeglaW>exit
05:26<MeglaW>cool, this is the first linux iv run named after tux
05:26<MeglaW>;)
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05:34<nlsthzn>congrats on squeeze :)
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05:38<Ex-Cyber> /quit
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05:43<stderr_dk>MeglaW: I think you're wrong. This is Squeeze: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Hyc7ZuFCVHs/S_JHZY0JxPI/AAAAAAAAGoY/3eNbhfywelg/s1600/toy-story-alien2.jpg
05:43<stderr_dk>And this is Wheezy: http://quizilla.teennick.com/user_images/I/IL/ILU/ILUVSONICSHADOW/1249140360_8824_full.jpeg
05:43<stderr_dk>Or I just made a big fool of myself... :-)
05:44<MeglaW>;)
05:44<MeglaW>i do that kind of stuff too sometimes. :)
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05:46<sparky4>YAY squeeze!
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05:52<`chris>\o/
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05:53<nlsthzn>finally got squeeze installed and gnome too... was surprised the net install didn't install a DE per default oO
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05:53<_Alex__>Lol, i just installed wheezy
05:54<gruetzkopf>?
05:54<_Alex__>Debian 7
05:54<_Alex__>!wheezy
05:54<dpkg>The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>.
05:54<robbjo>i'm trying to get xdm to display a backdrop with feh but i'm at a no go...
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05:55<gruetzkopf>i know wheezy, but why?
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06:03<bartm>hi, I have an HP Pavilion dv5 laptop, with an atheros wifi card with an hardware rfkill switch. I'm surprised to see that the hardware rfkill switch doesn't seem to be supported. Solutions?
06:03<jimpanse>maybe he downloaded the wrong image or in /etc/apt/sources.list everything aks for testing?
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06:03<jimpanse>oh sry not u bartm
06:04<gsimmons>bartm: You might be able to use /dev/rfkill to manipulate it ; /msg dpkg rfkill
06:06<bartm>gsimmons, that is about a software rf kill switch, so unfortunately that's no solution for me
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06:07<valdyn>bartm: but probably part of it, watch acpi events and hit that button
06:07<valdyn>bartm: and if its "not supported" it defenitely is not really a hardware switch
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06:11<bartm>valdyn, it's a touch button, and nothing happens when I touch it. I tried the program "rfkill" but no success.
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06:12<robbjo>How do I set a background in xdm?
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06:17<bartm>it seems I'll need madwifi, which is removed from debian starting with squeeze :(
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06:17<ompaul>!progress
06:17<dpkg>Squeeze is being pushed to the mirrors now. Stay tuned! Follow the release progress at http://identi.ca/debian and http://debian-party-line.branchable.com/ .
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06:18<nlsthzn>yup, squeeze is all free...
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06:20<stderr_dk>bartm: You can download a tarball with firmware, if you need it.
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06:24<tazz>hey guys i am trying to learn about debian packaging.
06:25<tazz>i am trying to package some ruby scripts.
06:25<ompaul>then tazz, : #debian-mentors
06:25<ompaul>that is the place for you
06:25<tazz>ompaul, thanks
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06:25<ompaul>you are welcome
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06:28<babilen>tazz: Also "/msg dpkg nmg" + http://pkg-ruby.alioth.debian.org/ruby-policy.html/ + #debian-ruby
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06:32*bartm is back - what did I miss
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06:33<ayaka>I want to using samba in squeeze,but the m$ in vmware can find it but can't use,even I had tried root user
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06:36<gruetzkopf>akaya: try setting the vm's network adapter to 'shared'
06:36<gruetzkopf>ayaka,
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06:37<bartm>gsimmons, valdyn, my problem is solved. The switch seems to work while the color red/blue remains blue. So I *thought* it didn't work but the switch does work. :)
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06:41<ayaka>gruetzkopf, I use nat,it's normal before
06:41<ayaka>gruetzkopf, and I don't see share in vmware
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06:42<gruetzkopf>samba and nat are not really compatible. do you have 'host' or 'bridged' or the likes?
06:43<ayaka>gruetzkopf, I will try,but I only use NAT before
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06:44<gruetzkopf>it woks for most purposes, http, ftp and the likes
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06:46<ayaka>I have amd64 os,but wine need 32bit package(like jack-dev),how to install it
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06:47<Torsten_W>apt-get install ia32-libs
06:47<Torsten_W>btw
06:47<Torsten_W>the ia32libs-foo is a depend of wine
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06:47<Torsten_W>so from where you have installed wine
06:48<ayaka>Torsten_W, foo?what is it?
06:48<Torsten_W>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar
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06:48<ayaka>Torsten_W, I see,but don't have ia32-libs-jack
06:49<Torsten_W>what are you doing?
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06:51<ayaka>Torsten_W, in #winehq freenode tell me problem cause by don't have jack 32bit infectent
06:51<ayaka>Torsten_W, in #winehq freenode tell me problem cause by don't have jack 32bit inferfact
06:52<Torsten_W>for what you need jack in wine?
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06:53<Torsten_W>ayaka, and again, apt-get install ia32-libs
06:53<ayaka>gruetzkopf, well,but other mode need to config ip
06:53<ayaka>Torsten_W, done,all ia32-libs-* done
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06:56<ayaka>Torsten_W, you have other way
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06:57<Torsten_W>what is hard, in apt-get install ia32-libs ?
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06:58<ayaka>Torsten_W, I said I havd done,it said no package need to install
06:58<Torsten_W>i don't get your problem
06:58<babilen>,versions wine
06:58<judd>Package wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3.1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.0.1-3.1; experimental: 1.1.24-2
06:59<babilen>wheezy *sniff* :)
06:59<valdyn>ayaka: or maybe you just need to install libwine-jack
07:00<ayaka>Torsten_W, may be I should let him talk to you,he can speak english,so you can know what is the problem
07:00<ayaka>valdyn, I will try
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07:01<ayaka>valdyn, well I should re-compile wine wait
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07:02<valdyn>ayaka: uh, thats a different issue then
07:02<virgil_>Hello all Debian folks congratulations on an excellent release!
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07:02<valdyn>ayaka: if you are compiling, just "apt-get build-dep wine"
07:02<ayaka>valdyn, yes I try before
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07:02<babilen>virgil_: thank you -- have you seen the breathtaking new design on the website? *smile-like-a-salesman*
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07:03<virgil_>babilen: yes I have, and though I had no problems with the old design in particular, the new one is refreshing and looks very modern, I actually randomly refreshed when it switched :)
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07:03<babilen>hehe :)
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07:05<valdyn>ayaka: ia32-libs-dev does provide the jack -dev stuff
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07:05<ayaka>valdyn, I see
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07:06*babilen was under the impression that ayaka installed *all* ia32-libs-WHATEVER packages ...
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07:07<ayaka>babilen, not too much only 6 packages
07:07<babilen>yeah, but you should still have ia32-libs-dev
07:07<ayaka>babilen, done before as I said
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07:10<ayaka>valdyn, ok gstreamer-0.10,OpenCL 32-bit,GetText 32-bit which one
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07:24<valianholt1>Hi people
07:24<valianholt1>just a short question
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07:26<valianholt1>image from:
07:26<valianholt1>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso
07:26<valianholt1>and image:
07:26<valianholt1>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
07:26<valianholt1>are still exactly the same? or there are some small differencies, like there will be boot screen with some text "Debian 6.0 Squeeze" in the stable version?
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07:27<babilen>!enter
07:27<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
07:28<abrotman>valianholt1: use the official one .. but really, the end result would be the same
07:28<babilen>valianholt1: Use the images from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0
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07:29<valianholt1>ok, my idea is, that I would like to use testing, not stable... so I don't want any specific Debian 6.0 marks and logos, only deciding which image to install the system
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07:29<valianholt1>so official one is without any Debian 6.0 logos right?
07:29<babilen>valianholt1: squeeze and wheezy are identical right now ...
07:30<valianholt1>ok
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07:30<abrotman>valianholt1: you probably don't really want to use testing ..
07:30<abrotman>valianholt1: the period after release is pretty ugly ..
07:31<fLoo>which is the best way to cross compile an x86 kernel on an x64 box ?
07:31<fLoo>i would like to have the same kernel for both architectures
07:32<valianholt1>abrotman: ugly? why? should I stay with stable like 2 months and then switch to testing repos?
07:33<abrotman>valianholt1: depends how much of a mess you can deal with
07:33<fLoo>currently i'm using chroot 32bit debootstrapped 32bit debian inside my amd64 host
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07:35<valianholt1>abrotman: well, I want Debian for laptop workstation usage, it needs to be stable enough, but relatively new software, I always thought that testing is the right choice
07:35<iobound>since upgrading from lenny to squeeze, i'm getting errors from dovecot imap: "fchown(/home/someuser/mail/.imap/INBOX/dovecot.index.cache.lock, -1, 8(mail)) failed: Operation not permitted (egid=1001(someuser), group based on /var/mail/someuser)
07:35<abrotman>valianholt1: i'm just telling you that it gets a bit ugly after release
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07:36<iobound>i guess it tries to chgrp the file to match /var/mail/someuser, which is chmod 0660 and chown someuser:mail
07:36<iobound>anyone know how to fix this?
07:36<valianholt1>abrotman: ok, so packages will get better in testing after few months after release? so better to wait a while?
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07:37<abrotman>valianholt1: it's your call .. there are numerous transitions that happen during the life cycle .. any of those can make a mess
07:37<abrotman>valianholt1: Xorg, python, perl, kernels, kde, gnome, libc .. the list goes on and on
07:38<valianholt1>abrotman: I see, so even recommended migration from stable lenny to stable squeeze is reinstallation of the system, instead of updating?
07:38<abrotman>uhm .. no
07:38<abrotman>i didn't say that
07:39<abrotman>I'm saying that when they change the default python from say .. 2.6 to 3.1 or whatever they do, things may quit working, sometimes in a bad way
07:39<abrotman>at any rate .. do what you think is best for your working environment
07:40<valianholt1>abrotman: ok thx, one more thing, when it is expected to get new testing versions of packages?
07:40<abrotman>valianholt1: probably within a few days, if not sooner
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07:40<abrotman>i think last time it was two days .. but not 100% certain
07:41<valianholt1>abrotman: so in the end, if I want to use debian testing, I would probably do better, if I wait these few days, right?
07:41<valdyn>valianholt1: how would that be logical?
07:41<abrotman>valianholt1: the breakages can occur at any time .. it depends on your ability to cope with those breakages
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07:44<valianholt1>but I thought, with waiting for new testing packages, I would skip breakages, related to updating from older packages, to much newer (as I suppose that in few days, packages will be updated to much newer versions, for these which are in unstable right now)
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07:46<valianholt1>because if I understand correctly, unstable is still getting new versions every day, testing also, but it was in freeze last few months, this means to me, that testing will have a BIG update now
07:46<abrotman>valianholt1: not really, unstable is kind of on hold too when testing freezes ..
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07:46<valianholt1>aha
07:46<abrotman>valianholt1: it's your call .. it's your system, i was just trying to give you a bit of a warning ..
07:47<valianholt1>yes, I am thankful, but just trying to understand it, because for sure, I don't want to stay with stable for 2 years, and at some point, I would have to switch to testing
07:48<dominick>Hi! How do I get the free memory on a disk in GB/MB from bash?
07:48<abrotman>df -h
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07:50<valianholt1>abrotman: final question please, just want an advise, from your point of view, when it's the best time to switch from squeeze stable, to wheeze testing? like how many weeks/months after this release?
07:51<valianholt1>abrotman: to have relatively low number of breakages
07:52<abrotman>valianholt1: if you can wait, wait til the freeze, if not, whenever you want
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07:52<abrotman>and no, i have no idea when the freeze is, but probably at least a year away
07:52<valianholt1>aha
07:52<valianholt1>ok thx, have a nice day
07:52<abrotman>you as well
07:52<babilen>valianholt1: Best options IMHO: 1. Run sid OR Use stable OR run stable for 6-12 months, upgrade to testing, wait for stable release, rinse and repeat
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07:54<valianholt1>babilen: ah, interesting, so sid is definitely more "stable to use" if I need rolling updated system, than testing?
07:55<Pitxyoki>hm
07:55<Pitxyoki>I think that really depends on what you're willing/capable to cope with.
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07:55<Pitxyoki>I've been using testing on this machine for almost 6 years on this machine.
07:55<Pitxyoki>I've had hiccups here and there... But then, I like to report bugs.
07:56<Pitxyoki>If you also like to help, report bugs and help solving them, testing is ok.
07:56<babilen>valianholt1: I did not say that -- It is not and you need more expertise and you need to be aware of what is going on. (Which transitions are taking place, ...) Some DDs argue that users should use either sid or stable. I personally follow the second or third approach.
07:56<abrotman>Pitxyoki: yes, it's dependent on the person .. i'm just warning him that it may get messy
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07:57<valianholt1>Pitxyoki: I see, but nothing like with first update after release, your system didn't boot or so, right?
07:57<valianholt1>I am fine with smaller breakages, but I need to have my system + browser + ssh working mainly, because it's my work computer
07:57<Pitxyoki>No.
07:57<Pitxyoki>I never saw that happen.
07:58<Pitxyoki>This is my work computer too.
07:58<Pitxyoki>:-)
07:58<babilen>valianholt1: You will run into problems like this when you run sid
07:58<Pitxyoki>I had X break from time to time, but that was a driver-related issue.
07:58<abrotman>valianholt1: usually it boots, but something like, your network may be wonky, or X might be broken, or your printing system may be gone ....
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07:58<Pitxyoki>And at the time, many distros were having those same problems, actually.
07:59<Pitxyoki>I tend to be more afraid of stable -> stable upgrades than constant testing usage.
07:59<abrotman>nah, stable dist-upgrades are relatively painless as long as you read the docs
08:00<Pitxyoki>"as long as you read the docs"
08:00<Pitxyoki>:-)
08:00<abrotman>well, i think that's understood :)
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08:02<Pitxyoki>Oh
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08:03<Pitxyoki>Also, if you use testing, apt-listbugs should be mandatory.
08:03<abrotman>and subscribing to certain mailing lists
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08:23<JStoker>Hey guys. It is possible to update lenny to squeeze without doing a reinstall, yeah? Any advice on how to go about that?
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08:23<bartm>!lenny->squeeze
08:24<abrotman>!tell JStoker about lenny->squeeze
08:24<abrotman>bartm: short addressing with -> is broken
08:24<bartm>haa that's why it's not appearing in the channel, ok
08:24<JStoker>Ooh, Didn't think that would've worked. Hehe. Thanks much!
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08:27<babilen>JStoker: Just read the release notes -- the process is detailed in there.
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08:35<digifor>How do I encrypt a swap file (not partition) with dm-crypt?
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08:50<digifor>Is it possible to encrypt a swap file (not partition)?
08:50<srtu>of course its possible
08:51<digifor>How do you do it? I am finding lots for swap partitions but not for the file.
08:52<digifor>with dm-crypt
08:52<srtu>the easiest way is to encrypt it in the installation process
08:52<srtu>after installtion, on a running mashine, i don't know, but i guess its possible
08:52<srtu>but i am also a n00b, so maybe a advance user here could say how
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08:53<PeterNL>Hi. my debian system doesn't work with 32mb ram, but it does with 48mb.
08:53<srtu>ah damm sorry digifor, oversee that you encrypt a file, not a partition, so i dont know
08:54<ckk>digifor: use /etc/crypttab (via package cryptsetup)
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08:54<digifor>srtu...you are probably right it would have been easier during setup
08:56<digifor>ckk. I am dual booting with xp on truecrypt sda1 and debian /boot sda2 /sda5 with dmcrypt.
08:56<digifor>Setting up a swapfile is easy enough. Encrypting after the fact seems probematic.
08:57<valdyn>digifor: why dont you put the swap file on the already encrypted partition?
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08:57<ckk>digifor: the following is a skeleton that should do what you want: http://paste.debian.net/106671/
08:57<valdyn>digifor: theres not benefit in encrypting twice like that
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08:58<ckk>oh, didn't notice it was already encrypted. valdyn is right - double encryption won't benefit you at all
08:58<digifor>valdyn, So because it is an encrypted container we won't get leakage?
08:58<valdyn>digifor: leakage?
08:59<valdyn>digifor: what kind of leakage are you imagining?
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09:00<digifor>My understanding is that the reason to encrypt the swap file is so that keys don't show up unencrypted in memory.
09:00<valdyn>digifor: but the key will show up unencrypted in memory in any case
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09:01<Pitxyoki>For that you'd have to encrypt all of the memory and not just the swap.
09:01<valdyn>Pitxyoki: and not just that, but the in and output too
09:02<valdyn>Pitxyoki: including your screen display or sound output or *whatever*
09:02<valdyn>thats a ridiculous idea
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09:02<valdyn>( im sure id never be able to decrypt that screen in my head ;) )
09:03<Pitxyoki>lol
09:03<Pitxyoki>Or just pull the plug.
09:03<valdyn>yet that would leave the problem unsolved as to how code is supposed to work on encrypted data without a key
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09:04<Pitxyoki>Now, really... What are the benefits of an encrypted swap?
09:05<valdyn>Pitxyoki: swap persists a poweroff
09:05<Pitxyoki>I know a guy who's doing that too... But I don't really get it what he gets from that.
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09:05<valdyn>Pitxyoki: you dont want encrypted file to be revealed in swap
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09:05<digifor>http://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/2008/03/encrypted-swap-partition-on.html
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09:06<digifor>"unencrypted confidential information "
09:06<valdyn>digifor: but youre using a file on an *already* encrpyted partition, thats silly
09:06<Pitxyoki>So, the problem is if you have an encrypted file that has been read to ram, and then you power off.
09:06<Pitxyoki>And the file will be there.
09:07<digifor>It sounds fairly unnesessary
09:07<Pitxyoki>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/swap-encrypting.html
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09:07<Pitxyoki>So, under an unencrypted setup, an adversary just has to have physical access to the disk to read it.
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09:08<Pitxyoki>Boot -> Trudy logs in -> reads swap -> gets passwords that are there from previous logins.
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09:09<valdyn>Pitxyoki: thats nonsense
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09:09<valdyn>Pitxyoki: trudy cannot read swap, but if she could read swap it would not matter if that swap is encrypted or not
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09:09<Pitxyoki>So where is the thread?
09:09<Pitxyoki>*threat
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09:10<valdyn>Pitxyoki: swap encryption protects you from anyone reading the data on it when the system is off
09:10<valdyn>Pitxyoki: or when the disk is yanked
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09:10<mjt>or whole laptop ;)
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09:11<Pitxyoki>So, that only applies when your computer is stolen, or your disk is seen from other OSes?
09:11<digifor>And in my case the swapfile is on an already encrypted root partition.
09:11<valdyn>Pitxyoki: root on a running system can always read active swap space, no matter if its encrypted or not
09:11<valdyn>Pitxyoki: sure
09:12<bartm>only with the key of course
09:12<Pitxyoki>hm, if your disk is stolen, one can always boot as root there by fiddling with the passwd file, I suppose.
09:12<Pitxyoki>Well, if the FS is not encrypted, at least.
09:12<Pitxyoki>Sounds kinda paranoid for a "desktop computer at home" setup.
09:12<valdyn>digifor: theres a theoretical "protection" in that encrypted swap does not have reusable keys. But seriously, would you care about swap contents when the whole FS is already readable?
09:13<Pitxyoki>If my PC @ home is stolen I'd be more worried about my belongings than at my PC's swap file.
09:13<Pitxyoki>(I think that's the setup that guy I know has)
09:13<Pitxyoki>On a laptop that might be different.
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09:15<ompaul>on a laptop, again the question is what is the value of the data on the machine, if it bank details and other confidential stuff (which I argue should not be on a laptop at all unless it is your only option) then you have an argument to encrypt the data. The down side of this is that a thief will most likely delete the contents of the disk and put something else on it.
09:15<ompaul>so your chances of recovering that machine tend toward zero
09:15<Pitxyoki>A thief will most likely sell the laptop to the first buyer he can find. :|
09:15<valdyn>ompaul: thats why you have backups
09:16<Pitxyoki>And that's why you use BIOS passwords.
09:16<Pitxyoki>:-)
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09:16<ompaul>valdyn: na I am arguing the point that if you have vulnerable data consider the machine gone 100%, if you use dydns and the data is not too valuable then you might be able to track it etc
09:16<valdyn>Pitxyoki: umm no, bios passwords are useless
09:16<Pitxyoki>And solder the HDD to the laptop.
09:16<ompaul>Pitxyoki: bios passwords are no use
09:16<bartm>a bios password is worthless when the disk is taken out and put into another machine
09:17<ompaul>this is more appropriate to #debian-offtopic
09:17<ompaul>this, as in this conversation.
09:17<bartm>the question was how to encrypt a swap file (not a partition)
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09:18<digifor>Thanks for looking into it. I'll do a bit more googling. It will probably end up like this in the country I work in.
09:18<digifor>http://xkcd.com/538/
09:18<ompaul>if you are that paranoid about it, buy more ram, and turn off all swap, and use a full disk
09:21*Pitxyoki upvotes the hover text on that strip. :)
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09:23<digifor>"due to technical difficulties it's currently impossible to use encrypted swap files." http://tinyurl.com/4hhytoc
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09:24<digifor>So I guess that answers the question. Thanks again.
09:25<ckk>digifor: that post is from 2005. Are you sure it still applies?
09:27<s_i_m>digifor, you want encrypted swap _with_a_password_, or just with a random key generated at each boot?
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09:27<digifor>random key each boot
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09:28<digifor>s_i_m, Or the same as the debian installer when it does the whole disk for you.
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09:30<s_i_m>digifor, have you checked this howto: http://madduck.net/docs/cryptdisk/
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09:31<digifor>s_i_m, again he is doing with partition.
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09:32<digifor>Got to go. Thanks TTFN
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09:33<s_i_m>ah, he wanted a swap file
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09:35<javentis>with the release of squeeze do we have "testing" repos again? or do we need to wait few days more?
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09:36<s_i_m>javentis, testing is always operational, if you mena that.
09:36<s_i_m>mean*
09:36<javentis>im currently using sid repos, and i would want to go back to testing because from today onwards sid will be "really" breakable once again
09:37<fsdqtrcbn>I think I missed the part to set up how much swap I wanted using crypto and LVM
09:37<fsdqtrcbn>damn
09:37<fsdqtrcbn>can I fix it later?
09:37<s_i_m>fsdqtrcbn, yes, if it is on LVM
09:37<bartm>javentis, good reason
09:37<fsdqtrcbn>s_i_m: and there is crypto also :(
09:38<fsdqtrcbn>whole disk encryption
09:38<s_i_m>I think it is unrelated
09:38<s_i_m>you should be able to resize partitions
09:38<javentis>bartm, so if i enable "testing" will i be getting testing packages or squeeze packages?
09:38<fsdqtrcbn>I thought swap needed to be encrypted
09:39<fsdqtrcbn>(it does?)
09:39<bartm>javentis, better use "wheezy" instead of "testing"
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09:39<s_i_m>fsdqtrcbn, you disable swap, do what you want with its partition, and enable it back again.
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09:40<javentis>bartm, thank you, this is a news for me indeed
09:40<javentis>http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/info-debian-wheezy-on-the-way-831125/
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09:41<zobel>mh... anyone can help me with bittornado? i ran "btlaunchmanycurses ." with a couple of debian-iso-torrents. but i get "Problem connecting to tracker - [Errno http error]"
09:41<zobel>no firewall inbetween
09:41<Pitxyoki>jakeriver, if you choose testing, it will be getting testing packages.
09:41<d3c0d3r>hi, i have upgraded to squeeze and my mysqlserver wont start. Any help?
09:41<s_i_m>javentis, for all practical purposses, testing at the moment = squeeze
09:41<fsdqtrcbn>s_i_m: because it will be encrypted doesn't matter what I do with partitions?
09:41<Pitxyoki>It just happens that testing was called squeeze and from today on it is called wheezy.
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09:42<bartm>d3c0d3r, always provide exact error messages because "won't start" is too vague
09:42<d3c0d3r>ok bartm
09:42<bartm>s_i_m, euhm... stable=squeeze, testing=wheezy :)
09:42<javentis>s_i_m, so i guess i have to enable wheezy as bartm said
09:42<s_i_m>bartm, i said: for all practical purposses.
09:43<d3c0d3r>bartm, the error is Feb 6 15:38:49 nagios /etc/init.d/mysql[27915]: ^G/usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
09:43<d3c0d3r>Feb 6 15:38:49 nagios /etc/init.d/mysql[27915]: error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'
09:43<d3c0d3r>Feb 6 15:38:49 nagios /etc/init.d/mysql[27915]: Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists!
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09:47<themill>s_i_m: no, not even for practical purposes. 10% of wheezy != squeeze already.
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09:48<s_i_m>themill, that is too quick =)
09:48<javentis>:) so wheezy or testing ?
09:48<s_i_m>let me check if that affects me.
09:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 555] by debhelper
09:49<s_i_m>javentis, that is the same.
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09:50<themill>dpkg: squeeze->wheezy
09:50<dpkg>Want to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? We've only just had a release and users of testing are in for a bumpy ride... if you have to ask how to do this, you shouldn't do it. (in the 12 hours after squeeze released, 2306 packages where changed in wheezy. That's almost 10% of the archive changing.)
09:51<linx>hellllllo
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09:51<themill>javentis: ^^ as dpkg says, if you have to ask about this, you shouldn't be going anywhere near wheezy just now.
09:51<linx>lease help meeeeeeeeeee
09:51<linx>p*
09:51<javentis>so im ok with these lines ? http://dpaste.com/391671/
09:51<zem>anyone else having problem with no favicons in iceweasel bookmarks? can't find anything on google, whenever someone posts similar problem, two posts later they say it solved by itself. I'm on squeeze.
09:51<fsdqtrcbn>http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/02/06/0155215/Debian-60-Released-In-GNULinux-FreeBSD-Flavors debian freebsd?
09:51<fsdqtrcbn>o.0
09:52<linx>gyse
09:52<javentis>ok so for another 72 hours instead i will not update my system at all
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09:53<s_i_m>themill, quite interestingly, I have not a single package installed that fails into these 10%. just tested.
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09:54<s_i_m>linx, ask your question.
09:54<linx>thnx
09:54<linx>my
09:54<linx>desktop
09:54<linx>not enable effect ??
09:55<linx>\why
09:55<s_i_m>who knows...
09:55<linx>niw
09:55<linx>now
09:55<Torsten_W>no 3d driver?
09:55<linx>i have
09:56<linx>ati driver
09:56<Pitxyoki>!enter
09:56<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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09:56<linx>ati mobility radeon 4500 series drivers
09:57<linx>iam install this
09:57<linx>why to not enable
09:57<bartm>linx, please try to ask your question on one line
09:58<linx>what
09:58<linx>iam not under staneded
09:58<fsdqtrcbn>the debian installer didn't ask what desktop manager I wanted
09:58<fsdqtrcbn>:(
09:58<bartm>fsdqtrcbn, true
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09:58<fsdqtrcbn>I wanted xfce.
09:59<linx>gyes
09:59<linx>hellllllooooooooooooo
09:59<abrotman>!enter
09:59<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
10:00<s_i_m>linx, what languages do you speak?
10:00<linx>please gyse why to soluation
10:00<linx>arabic
10:00<bartm>fsdqtrcbn, is there some way to choose an other desktop manager with the netinst cd ? like kde
10:00<linx>and ebglish
10:00<linx>english
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10:00<fsdqtrcbn>bartm: maybe as a boot option like desktop=xfce
10:01<fsdqtrcbn>But I tried it and got an error
10:01<javentis>currently moving back from sid to wheezy did not brin any updates, so i guess im good to wait for few days till i will be getting wheezy packages and updates
10:01<fsdqtrcbn>although when I tried it I was using the wrong image
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10:02<javentis>bring*
10:03<linx>plesae!!!!!!!!!!!!
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10:03<linx>heeelp meee
10:03<javentis>dpkg: squeeze->wheezy
10:03<dpkg>Want to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? We've only just had a release and users of testing are in for a bumpy ride... if you have to ask how to do this, you shouldn't do it. (in the 12 hours after squeeze released, 2306 packages where changed in wheezy. That's almost 10% of the archive changing.)
10:03<s_i_m>let me try one thing
10:04<s_i_m>!ar
10:04<dpkg>methinks ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina, or #debian-ar on irc.oftc.net.
10:04<s_i_m>no =)
10:04<linx>gyeeeeeees
10:04<linx>gyeeeeeees
10:05<bartm>linx, please stop it. You're not getting any help like this.
10:05<linx>please help me
10:05<javentis>linx, why dont you ask your question, you will get help
10:05<abrotman>s_i_m: wrong country .. he's yemeni .. not spanish
10:06<linx>why to not help me
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10:08<linx>listien me plasee
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10:08<linx>not enable 3d destop
10:08<linx>??
10:09<daemonkeeper>!patience
10:09<dpkg>The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available.
10:09<javentis>s_i_m, can you help this man ?
10:09<javentis>he is getting panics now
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10:10<s_i_m>how? I do not speak arabic and I never had an ATI card.
10:10<linx>i am speak english
10:10<linx>and arebic
10:10<javentis>he is sending me pms :(
10:10<linx>yes
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10:11<linx>answer this Q?
10:11<daemonkeeper>javentis: If he ignores your kind requests to omit this, feel free to use /ignore
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10:11<linx>please
10:12<bartm>at this point, if I were chanop...
10:12<s_i_m>linx, nobody can answer anything based on the information you gave us.
10:13<linx> why?????????/
10:13<kef>linx: it's pretty hard to understand your problem. maybe you could try an online translator to specify your exact problem a bit better
10:13<javentis>daemonkeeper, the poor guy is having some issue with his ati radeon 4500 series card for which he says he has installed drivers but he is still not getting 3D desktop effects
10:13<fsdqtrcbn>omg
10:13<daemonkeeper>javentis: No idea about ATI ...
10:13<fsdqtrcbn>grub couldn't be installed
10:13<fsdqtrcbn>damn
10:13<Torsten_W>glxinfo | grep -i render sayes what?
10:13<linx>and what answer
10:14<linx>he siad
10:14<linx>yes
10:14<javentis>daemonkeeper, i dont know if he should be recommended to try smxi or not because im sure then he will come up with more questions then
10:15<daemonkeeper>javentis: As my !patience hint indicates we're all volunteers. You are not obligated to help people.
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10:15<daemonkeeper>Don't freel bad if you don't.
10:15<daemonkeeper>You just can't help everyone
10:16<javentis>i understand daemonkeeper , i just feel sorry for he cant convey his issue here
10:16<linx>yes
10:16<javentis>anyways i will have my food and will be back
10:16<daemonkeeper>Isn't there an arabic support channel?
10:16<linx>linx@ubuntu:~$ glxinfo | grep -i render
10:16<linx>direct rendering: Yes
10:16<linx>OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
10:16<bartm>javentis, enjoy your meal
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10:16<linx>now what help me
10:17<javentis>thanks for everything everybody
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10:17<bartm>linx, ubuntu --> irc.freenode.net #ubuntu
10:17<linx>what?
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10:17<daemonkeeper>linx: this is #debian. Ubuntu is not supported here-
10:17<daemonkeeper>!ubuntu
10:17<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
10:17<abrotman>linx: you're in the wrong channel, we do not support Ubuntu, go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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10:19<kef>what a pleasant fella
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10:19<bartm>lol
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10:24<daemonkeeper>Let's appreciate Ubuntu does exist to attract *ehm* such people.
10:24<themill>s_i_m: the transition only happened this morning UTC, it might be that it hasn't made it to your mirror yet.
10:25<s_i_m>themill, sure, I was thinking about the same. Then, as I said, for all practical purposses...
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10:26<themill>s_i_m: for a new debian user, having a system that doesn't blow up tomorrow sounds like a fairly practical purpose
10:27<s_i_m>then you did not see what he was asking about.
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10:29<bartm>where did /boot/grub/menu.lst go ?
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10:29<gil-galad>mm i think it's grub2 now
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10:30<PeterNL>yep, we have /boot/grub/grub.cfg now
10:31<bartm>I see, "do not edit this file", pointing to /etc/default/grub. How to edit the entries shown in grub?
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10:31<abrotman>bartm: /etc/grub.d/
10:31<abrotman>i think?
10:31<gil-galad>some examples i found here : http://grub.enbug.org/grub.cfg
10:33<valianholt1>anyone issued with automatic grub.conf configuration within new debian 6.0 stable?
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10:33<valianholt1>or safe now? (there were issues in beta)
10:33<bartm>abrotman, bunch of scripts... maybe the list of entries is always generated automatically
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10:35<edbian>My repos currently point to squeeze and I am fully up to date. Is there any difference between squeeze and testing right now?
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10:35<valdyn>bartm: /etc/grub.d/ contains the scripts you can modify
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10:37<bartm>valdyn, sure looks more complicated than editing the old menu.lst file :)
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10:37<valdyn>bartm: it is not really
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10:41<christoph>heya! I'm trying to install squeeze on a sunblade 150 right now. However after switching from bootconsole to tty0 there's no more output on the (VGA) screen
10:41<christoph>debian squeeze netinsta;l; iso
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10:45<jimpanse>is ist possilbe that the xorg packages are broken? since the last update a view minutes ago i haven't a xserver and xserver-xorg couldn't be reinstalled becouse packages are broken
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10:46<abrotman>jimpanse: put your sources.list in a pastebin
10:46<mekt>Does aptitude support showing the short description in the package list instead of version information?
10:46<cahoot>update of what? squeeze? sid?
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10:46<christoph>570264 is marked as fixed for ages
10:46<jimpanse>squeeze
10:46<PeterNL>jimpanse: no problems here
10:46<jimpanse>hm...
10:47<mekt>jimpanse: i just installed squeeze from the x86 DVD today.
10:47<jimpanse>i use squeeze since a half year :D
10:47<PeterNL>might be a problem on the mirrir you're using
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10:48<jimpanse>i use the german mirrors
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10:49<abrotman>jimpanse: did you aptitude update first?
10:49<jimpanse>no apt-get update
10:49<grummund>"Starting domain name service...: bind9 failed!"
10:50<grummund>fresh install... nothing in syslog... where do i look next?
10:50<abrotman>jimpanse: and the package is 'xorg'
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10:50<grummund>s/do/should/
10:50<jimpanse>xserver-xorg
10:50<s_i_m>grummund, you selected parallel boot setup?
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10:51<grummund>s_i_m: it's a VPS, i can install packages but the initial filesystem is created from an image
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10:51<grummund>s_i_m: by fresh install i mean first time install of bind
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10:52<valdyn>grummund: vps cant be debian, thats one issue
10:52<valdyn>grummund: but restart bind9 and look again in /var/log/daemon.log
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10:52<grummund>eh? what dou you mean... i have several debian vps
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10:52<valdyn>grummund: debian ships no kernels for vps
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10:53<grummund>/var/log/daemon.log is empty
10:54<valdyn>grummund: it cannot be empty in debian unless you fucked up the syslog configuration
10:54<valdyn>grummund: you can start bind manualle in the terminal if you dont have proper logging setup
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10:58<valdyn>grummund: if you do "uname -r" you will typically see a redhat kernel btw, but just have a look
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11:02<felo>hi
11:02<felo>hola
11:02<Gurka>hej hej
11:03<felo>necesito ayuda para recompilar el kernel
11:03<drone77>!es
11:03<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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11:04<felo>ok
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11:06<edbian>What has newer packages, Debian SID or arch?
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11:07<Pitxyoki>edbian, both.
11:07<grummund>anyone know is 64MB ram enough to run a default install of bind9 ?
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11:08<edbian>Pitxyoki, Do you mean some are newer in arch and some are newer in sid or that packages will be the same in both?
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11:09<Pitxyoki>Of course some will be newer here and some will be newer there.
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11:09<fLoo>hello, i'm working with dpkg-buildpackage to build a .deb out of a sourcefile
11:09<fLoo>but i'm getting like 10 packages instead of just one
11:09<s_i_m>edbian, if you want to choose between these two distros, better use other merits.
11:10<Dominus>Hi, when the man pages says see somecommand(2), how do I access that one
11:10<fLoo>is it possible to tell dpkg-buildpackage to generate just _one_ package instead of 10 single packages ?
11:10<edbian>s_i_m, Well I am starting to think of sid as arch with a better package manager (that I don't have to learn)
11:10<abrotman>Dominus: man 2 foo
11:10<Dominus>ty
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11:11<Dominus>Hmm. It then says "No manual entry for foo in section 2"
11:11<Dominus>no matter which of the commands I type in
11:11<Dominus>There's a whole bunch of commands followed by (2)
11:12<abrotman>Dominus: that means it's not installed
11:12<abrotman>the man page isn't
11:12<Dominus>Okay
11:12<Dominus>How do I install it?
11:12<abrotman>Dominus: what exactly are you looking at?
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11:12<Dominus>socket
11:12<abrotman>you mean 'manpages-dev'
11:12<abrotman>erm
11:12<abrotman>you want the manpages-dev package
11:12<s_i_m>fLoo, one source package can create many binary packages, that is normal. You cannot disable it normally without looking into debian/rules file.
11:13<Dominus>Ok
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11:13<Dominus>Okay, thanks. It works now (:
11:14<alukardd>есть русскоязычный народ? оч лень на английском писать(
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11:14<fLoo>s_i_m: so it is not possible to force dpkg-buildpackage to build one instead of multiple binarys ?
11:15<mjr>!ru
11:15<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
11:16<s_i_m>fLoo, that depends very much on how the package is built in debian/rules. So, basically, without changing that file, no.
11:16<alukardd>ok, sory, it's my first visit(
11:16<Dominus>Is it possible to go to another man pages, from within a man page?
11:16<Dominus>Like going to the next page in a book
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11:16<s_i_m>Dominus, that is a feature that man misses for ages.
11:17<Dominus>s_i_m: Oh, okay
11:17<Dominus>too bad
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11:18<mjt>alukardd: and enjoy koi8-r there ;)
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11:18<alukardd>mjt: i read head text)
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11:19<mjt>that's "topic"
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11:29<mjk>Does anyone know why for Lenny->Squeeze upgrade, *apt-get* is recommended over *aptitude*?
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11:29<cahoot>slightly different handling of deps
11:29<mjk>For Etch->Lenny, aptitude was recommended, due to its better conflict resolution AFAIR ....
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11:30<mjk>Hmm ...
11:30<mjk>But there is at least one pitfall with this recommendation: apt-get does not honor aptitude's hold states, for example ...
11:31<mjk>For ppl who know this, they can transfer aptitude hold states to dpkg hold states, but for those who don't, there will be surprises. =)
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11:40<BlueG>Now that Debian 6.0 is released, is it still crashing on i845 graphics cards? If it is, shouldn't this be listed in the errata?
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11:48<BlueG>What are my best chances of getting squeeze working on a machine with an integrated i845 graphics chipset? Install old versions of Xorg/intel driver/linux kernel? Install a pci|agp graphics card? Install Debian GNU/kFreeBSD?
11:48<mekt>Since squeeze becomes stable, will sid be copied to testing?
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11:50<ansgar>mekt: No. The new testing distribution started as a copy of squeeze.
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11:53<s_i_m>mekt, but since the release the packages are able to transition from sid to testing as usual.
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12:02<KarlHeinzGrasser>hey guys, got some problems with installing squeeze i386 on virtualbox 3.2.10_OSEr66523. Language is german, fails after software selection, see screens for more info: http://img511.imageshack.us/i/squeezeinstallerror0.png/, http://img528.imageshack.us/i/squeezeinstallerror1.png/ , http://img153.imageshack.us/i/squeezeinstallerror2.png/
12:02<KarlHeinzGrasser>any hints?
12:03<Pitxyoki>Can you give links for the pngs themselves?
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12:03<KarlHeinzGrasser>what do you mean, c/p works for me...
12:04<PeterNL>http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5655/squeezeinstallerror0.png, http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/657/squeezeinstallerror1.png and http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/189/squeezeinstallerror2.png
12:04<Pitxyoki>Thanks. Browsers are overrated.
12:04<Pitxyoki>:-)
12:04<KarlHeinzGrasser>:D
12:05<ompaul>translate the last one
12:05<Pitxyoki>Well, that's German.
12:05<Pitxyoki>No idea what's written there.
12:05<ompaul>I know that ;-) but the wording is what I'd like to know :)
12:05<KarlHeinzGrasser>installation failed
12:05<KarlHeinzGrasser>a part of the installation has failed
12:05<Pitxyoki>What does "Ein Teil der Installation ist fehlgeschlagen" mean?
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12:06<KarlHeinzGrasser>means a part of installation has failed
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12:06<Pitxyoki>Can you ctrl+alt+f2?
12:06<KarlHeinzGrasser>no im back in the installer menu
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12:06<KarlHeinzGrasser>installer main-menu
12:06<ompaul>KarlHeinzGrasser: and you have web access from where you are?
12:07<Pitxyoki>If you could get to a VT, can you tail /var/log/syslog?
12:07<bmhatfield>Hi all - I was wondering, where can I get a listing of all debian installer preseed variables?
12:07<KarlHeinzGrasser>sure, packages downloaded and begin to install arlready
12:07<ompaul>Pitxyoki: methinks a restart has happened
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12:07<bmhatfield>I've googled the crap out of this, and have not been able to find a definitive list
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12:08<KarlHeinzGrasser>preparing the image for tail /var/log/syslog...
12:10<Pitxyoki>Can you just say if there's something that looks weird?
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12:10<KarlHeinzGrasser>yes there are err msgs
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12:10<KarlHeinzGrasser>http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1898/squeezeinstallerrorsysl.png
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12:11<KarlHeinzGrasser>pkgsel failed with error code 1
12:11<nickserb>microsoft? o.0
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12:16<KarlHeinzGrasser>first img says: invalid debconf value (New German)
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12:19<KarlHeinzGrasser>if i try to install grub, it says installation of grub failed, grub-pc could not be installed in /target/
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12:21<KarlHeinzGrasser>msgs-syslog: clocale: cannot set LC_ALL to default locale, warning: configuring grub-installer failed with error code 1
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12:22<Pitxyoki>meh
12:22<KarlHeinzGrasser>:(
12:22<Pitxyoki>I'd file a bug report for that.
12:22<KarlHeinzGrasser>in the d-i?
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12:22<Pitxyoki>Meanwhile, I'd suggest installing it with the default English installer, then install the German locales and set those as default.
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12:23<KarlHeinzGrasser>will do, thanks for your time
12:23<Pitxyoki>About grub... No idea.
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12:29<_Alex__>lol
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12:30<s_i_m>can anyone with a freshly installed squeeze pastebin his /etc/passwd and /etc/group somewhere?
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12:30<PeterNL>sure
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12:30<stderr_dk>s_i_m: Do you what /etc/shadow too? :-)
12:31<PeterNL>you can have mine
12:31<s_i_m>well, if you like I can have that too =)
12:31<PeterNL>pasword is "test", runs in a VM and has nothing special in it
12:31<bartm>Ganneff, please ban egebheb for spamming
12:31<PeterNL>no, you cannot have the shadow files from my other machines
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12:31<pipeep>Congrats on Debian 6.0!
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12:33<PeterNL>s_i_m: http://pastebin.com/Gdcw9jvW and http://pastebin.com/mQZ5aMWc
12:33<s_i_m>thnx
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12:34<PeterNL>fyi: I installed ssh afterwards. And this is actually a RC2 install I think
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12:35<babilen>!ops egebheb spams on join (or just in PMs)
12:35<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: babilen complains about: egebheb spams on join (or just in PMs)
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12:36<KarlHeinzGrasser>just another question: how to report d-i bugs with reportbug tool? whats the d-i packages name?
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12:37<Pitxyoki>installation-reports, I think.
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12:37<Pitxyoki>I'm not sure if it is with or without an 's' at the end.
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12:37<babilen>weasel: o/
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12:38<KarlHeinzGrasser>works with the 's', thanks again :D
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12:39<Pitxyoki>It might have worked, but it might not be the best place to send the reports to.
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12:42<navneeth>Hi, I'm planning to try debian for the first time. I see about 50 links to torrent files of the CD image (i386). I'd like to know the differences between them, if there are any.
12:42<mjt>they're parts of the distribution
12:42<Pitxyoki>Just get the first.
12:42<bartm>navneeth, when in doubt, just use the "netinst" cd
12:42<Pitxyoki>The first CD has the most essential packages.
12:43<navneeth>Thanks, guys.
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13:01<whidgle>hi
13:01<whidgle>I need some help
13:01<whidgle>plz
13:01<whidgle>anyone
13:01<whidgle>someone
13:01<bartm>!anyone
13:01<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
13:01<_Alex__> what
13:01<_Alex__>what is the problem
13:01<_Alex__>?
13:01<whidgle>I want to ask how to install debian on vmware
13:02<_Alex__>That's easy
13:02<_Alex__>wait here
13:02<whidgle>ok
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13:03<_Alex__>What architecture of prcessor does VMware use?
13:03<_Alex__>i386 or AMD64
13:03<whidgle>I dont really know I think i386
13:03<_Alex__>ok
13:03<whidgle>but I downloaded the i386 small cd version
13:03<_Alex__>http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
13:03<whidgle>tried to run it and it gave me error
13:03<_Alex__>Error?
13:04<_Alex__>What kind?
13:04<whidgle>yeah said something about kernel
13:04<_Alex__>try this
13:04<_Alex__>http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
13:04<whidgle>Ok thx
13:04<_Alex__>Hey! Why don!t you install it for real?!
13:05<whidgle>because windows is better in fact for what I am doin
13:05<_Alex__>!windows
13:05<dpkg>"PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work." Support for Microsoft Windows operating systems is available at ##windows on irc.freenode.net.
13:05<whidgle>linux is awesome to run on your board for memory save and all these stuff
13:05<whidgle>lol
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13:07<_Alex__>whidgle: Debian is useless on a VM, try ti get a experimental comp and install debian there
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13:08<metalfreak>_Alex__ why is Debian useless in a VM?
13:08<happyaron>where is notmuch's index files?
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13:09<mjt>probably everyone has their own definition of "useful". I run a dozen of virtual machines with debian.
13:09<babilen>whidgle: You don't want the netboot images, but the netinstall or CD/DVD1 ... netboot is for booting over the network (PXE boot)
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13:10<jhutchins_lt>I suppose "useless" means vast numbers of commercial enterprises relying on it for their livelihood.
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13:11<oOarthurOo>I'm trying to determine what cd/dvd packge <foo> is found on. One method on the website says to search jigdo contents using search found here: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search but every serarch comes up 404. Any other methods to do this?
13:12<babilen>!cd content
13:12<dpkg>To find out what is on what disk, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/).
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13:13<jhutchins_lt>oOarthurOo: It might be relevant that not everything has caught up with the release yet.
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13:13<jhutchins_lt>!progress
13:13<dpkg>Squeeze is all released now! Well done everyone involved. CD mirrors usually take up to 2 days to sync but will get there... ask me about <install squeeze>.
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13:14<_Alex__>Lol
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13:14<_Alex__>squeeze is old, i am updating to wheezy
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13:15<amphi>_Alex__: heh, let us know how that goes
13:15*jhutchins_lt wonders why _Alex__ is running Debian at all.
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13:16<cahoot>sounds like he won't in a short time
13:16<babilen>_Alex__: That is a *very* bad idea right now .. to quote a member of the release team: " its just wheezy. noone sane should be using that RIGHT NOW :)"
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13:17<babilen>dpkg: squeeze->wheezy
13:17<dpkg>Want to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? We've only just had a release and users of testing are in for a bumpy ride... if you have to ask how to do this, you shouldn't do it. (in the 12 hours after squeeze released, 2306 packages where changed in wheezy. That's almost 10% of the archive changing.)
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13:17<tex_>Yeah, the bot is right.
13:18<tex_>"if you have to ask how to do this, you shouldn't do it" <- very well written :)
13:18<vezult>I've just upgraded from lenny to squeeze...and now I get an error whenever I attempt to load the ssl module in python 2.6
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13:18<themill>vezult: can you pastebin exactly what you do and what goes wrong?
13:19<vezult>When I encountered this, I tried importing python-openssl...but no luck.
13:19<vezult>themill: sure, one sec
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13:20<vezult>themill: http://dpaste.com/392099/
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13:21<jordanm>that doesn't look like the proper place for python modules?
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13:21*jordanm recalls site-packages or some such
13:21<jordanm>,file ssl.py
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13:21<vezult>jordanm: sure, but I certainly haven't changed anything.
13:21<babilen>jordanm: it is fine
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13:22<themill>these aren't python modules, they're part of the python core.
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13:22<themill>vezult: what version of python2.6-minimal do you have installed/
13:22<jordanm>ah, so it is
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13:23<oOarthurOo>jhutch
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13:23<vezult>themill: 2.6.6-8+b1 0
13:23<babilen>vezult: I can't reproduce that here -- Could you also paste "dpkg -l 'python2.6*'" please
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13:23<themill>,versions python2.6-minimal
13:23<judd>Package python2.6-minimal on i386 -- sid: 2.6.6-8+b1; squeeze: 2.6.6-8+b1; wheezy: 2.6.6-8+b1
13:23<oOarthurOo>ok... well I've found a place where I can download the list of files on all cd/dvds, simple tar.gz files that you can open and search the text files within, but I've looked in all 8 dvd's and can't find the non-free firmware-iwlwifi package
13:24<alukardd>can anybody help me? I get the next line when i trying to boot with grub2: kernel panic - not syncing VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
13:24<alukardd>i can boot my system only from grub2, i just do update to squeeze
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13:24<alukardd>only from grub1*
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13:24<babilen>oOarthurOo: It is not on the CDs as it is in non-free and therefore not part of Debian
13:24<vezult>themill: http://dpaste.com/392110/
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13:25<xtow>oOarthurOo, you need the non-free branch
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13:26<oOarthurOo>xtow non-free packages aren't distributed on official cd/dvds? I assumed they'd be on there, just not enabled by default in /etc/apt/sources.list
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13:28<jordanm>oOarthurOo: I think they are technically not considered part of debian
13:28<xtow>oOarthurOo, no, you must do it manually
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13:28<xtow>or download it separatly
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13:29<babilen>oOarthurOo: Do you need it during the installation?
13:29<pistolpete>jordanm: I think you are correct as the license keeps them under non-free
13:29<oOarthurOo>jordanm, xtow ... but these files are hosted on official debian servers/mirrors and under official squeeze repositories, correct? I mean, when I enable non-free I'm not being redicted to something like debian-multimedia, am I?
13:29<Pitxyoki>No, you're not.
13:29<Pitxyoki>And yes, they are.
13:29<vezult>themill: it works fine on my laptop. It seems to be a pathing issue of some sort, but I'm not sure where it's coming from
13:29<bartm>oOarthurOo, correct
13:29<xtow>see here http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/
13:29<cyrus_nk>after i upgraded lenny to squeeze, after first reboot, the login prompt screen is flashing and it beeps after each flash. anyone knows a fix?
13:30<Pitxyoki>Do you have another network adapter on that computer by which you can connect to the 'net?
13:30<vezult>themill: the path on my server includes: '/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5'
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13:30<vezult>themill: my laptop does not
13:30<Pitxyoki>If so, install debian using that adapter. When the setup is complete, edit sources.list to include non-free and install the necessary packages.
13:30<babilen>vezult: which path is that?
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13:30<vezult>ballison: sys.path
13:30<Pitxyoki>I think that's the easiest path.
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13:31<babilen>oOarthurOo: Do you need firmware-iwlwifi during the installation?
13:31<oOarthurOo>xtow, thanks... there is a link to pre-built non-free cd's on that page.
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13:32<oOarthurOo>babilen, not need... but *would like* and wondering how. But question answered by link from xtow. thanks everyone
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13:33<Pitxyoki>Nice, non-free CDs!
13:33<Pitxyoki>That would have come in handy some years ago.
13:33<Pitxyoki>:)
13:33<vezult>themill: It's definitely coming from /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/python-support.pth
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13:34<babilen>oOarthurOo: You can download that .deb manually, place it on a USB stick/CD and provide it during the installation. If you install from an USB stick, you can just copy it to the second partition. But the easiest way is just to use a wired connection first for the installation and install it later on.
13:34<themill>vezult: I don't have that file at all on my squeeze machines
13:35<themill>which package owns it? "dpkg -S /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/python-support.pth"
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13:35<vezult>...which is a symlink to: /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5/.path
13:35<babilen>vezult: That file is also not present on my machine ..
13:35<oOarthurOo>babilen, I wanted a complete list so that when I install it on friends & family laptops / computers, I can get everything up and running even without access to a hard-wired connection and without knowing in advance what firmware is required.
13:35<vezult>themill: it doesn't seem to be owned by any package
13:35<vezult>so this must be self-inflicted..
13:36<babilen>vezult: You might want to remove that symlink for now, and try again.
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13:36<vezult>babilen: yeah, I'm pretty sure that should fix it
13:36<babilen>I too
13:36*babilen crosses fingers
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13:37<babilen>!tell oOarthurOo -about firmware images
13:38<babilen>themill: Do you know when the firmware images for 6.0.0 will be available? (Haven't heard something about them)
13:38<stderr_dk>vezult & themill: I don't know anything about python, but it seems odd that something in /usr/lib/python2.6/... points to something in /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5/. Is that "normal" in python-land?
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13:38<vezult>it's odd though, that the ctime is Feb 6
13:38<babilen>stderr_dk: It is not
13:38<ompaul>oOarthurOo: what I have when I go to install is have the firmware on a second CD just in case
13:38<themill>!firmware images
13:38<dpkg>Unofficial daily built <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing the testing release are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/squeeze_d-i/current/ . See also <install testing>.
13:38<themill>babilen: ^^ they're there
13:38<babilen>vezult: You've been CUI last night? ;)
13:38<bartm>how to configure apache to listen only to requests from localhost ?
13:39<themill>stderr_dk: no, that's pretty weird
13:39<oOarthurOo>Thanks babilen ... though I don't want the testing versions, just stable. I've found stable netinst isos called "firmware-arch-netinst.iso", so I'm curious, If I start the install using DVD1, then apt-cd add the netinst-firmware iso, will I be able to apt-get install the firmware packages on the cd I just added? Or is is build into the installer and not actually packaged in an apt readable/installable format?
13:39<vezult>babilen: CUI?
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13:39<babilen>themill: Ah, wonderful -- I had a look in the last 16h and they weren't there.
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13:40<babilen>themill: Right -- they are called "firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.iso" I was hoping for "firmware-debian-6.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso" (or something like that)
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13:41<themill>yeah. I presume you can convince them to install squeeze
13:41<babilen>vezult: "Coding under the influenze" (drunk coding) -- disregard that :)
13:41<vezult>babilen: oh. took me a bit. No, I wasn't CUI last night...but maybe it was some other night ;o)
13:41<stderr_dk>bartm: BindAddress as far as I remember.
13:41<babilen>vezult: So, is it working now?
13:42<emoric1>I'm trying to get a RaLink 5390 to work in Squeeze
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13:42<babilen>themill: I guess they are essentially squeeze images, just not updated to reflect the release. Hence my question when the released ones will be available
13:42<xtow>if you undertand italian debianizzati,org had made a multiple guide for debian installation
13:42<xtow>http://guide.debianizzati.org/index.php/Installazione_Debian:_pagine_utili
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13:43<vezult>babilen: not yet...but that path is gone from sys.path, so it's a start..
13:43<themill>babilen: perhaps ask in #d-cd. They're unofficial images but they would (hopefully) know
13:43<babilen>vezult: What is the problem now? (*sniff*)
13:43<babilen>themill: I will :)
13:43<xtow>*understand
13:45<vezult>babilen: same behavior
13:46<babilen>emoric1: "lspci -nn|grep -i network" please
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13:47<daemonkeeper>babilen: Let me know about your insights about this. I'm forced to use those as well ...
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13:49<babilen>!firmware images
13:49<dpkg>Unofficial daily built <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing the testing release are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/6.0.0/ . See also <install testing>.
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13:49<babilen>they forgot to make them visible -- ^^^ 6.0.0 URL enjoy
13:49<daemonkeeper>Great
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13:51<daemonkeeper>Should point http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/squeeze_d-i/ then point there, e.g. as symlink or vice versa?
13:51<daemonkeeper>There you still get older testing images it seems
13:51<babilen>daemonkeeper: they are working on it
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13:51<astronut>i'm looking to build an HTPC, does anyone know how well the nvidia ion platform works with linux?
13:51<daemonkeeper>Ok
13:52<daemonkeeper>astronut: No problems
13:52<daemonkeeper>astronut: At least for mine. Don't know whether there are new versions
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13:53<astronut>daemonkeeper: how's the performance
13:53<astronut>?
13:53<babilen>so, back ...
13:53<babilen>vezult: Ok, let's investigate this a bit more.
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13:53<babilen>vezult: any progress in the last minute?
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13:54<daemonkeeper>astronut: I don't know what exactly you want, I can view 1080p h264 MKV on the Atom with nvidia vdpau acceleration.
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13:54<babilen>emoric1: I need that output in order to help you with your RaLink 5390
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13:55<vezult>babilen: yeah, it _seems_ like a bug in socket.py
13:55<vezult>babilen: this fixes it: http://dpaste.com/392179/
13:56<astronut>daemonkeeper: that was the question
13:56<vezult>babilen: _has_ssl is set to true, if _ssl can be imported
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13:56<astronut>daemonkeeper: what do you use to view?
13:56<babilen>vezult: You had to patch that yourself?
13:56<vezult>babilen: but later in socket.py, it assumes ssl is present if _has_ssl is true
13:56<cyrus_nk>after squeeze upgrade i get module nvidia not found! i don't have on the computer the nvidia drivers that i installed for lenny. please help!
13:56<vezult>babilen: yeah
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14:04<vezult>babilen: ok, this is bizarre. on my server, /usr/lib/python2.6/{ssl,socket}.py are not owned by any packages. On my laptop, they are part of python2.6-minimal
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14:04<vezult>babilen: yeah, I think I will reinstall those
14:04<babilen>oh yeah
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14:09<cthuluh>!berr taffit-qui-essaye-de-comprendr
14:09<cthuluh>!beer taffit-qui-essaye-de-comprendr
14:09*dpkg pours a quart of Spaten Optimator for taffit-qui-essaye-de-comprendr
14:09<cthuluh>sorry
14:09<Eulenspiegel69>althought my /etc/apt/preferences file gives squeeze packages a priority of 999, today my aptitude tries to update plenty of packages to unstable. for example "claws-mail [3.7.6-4 -> 3.7.8-1]". claws-mail is not mentioned within my apt_preferences file. I guess it has to do with the new debian release. Any idea what is going on?
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14:10<cthuluh>Eulenspiegel69: please paste your apt/preferences and the output of apt-cache policy
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14:10<babilen>Eulenspiegel69: "apt-cache policy" + sources + /etc/apt/preferences please
14:10<bartm>Eulenspiegel69, try "apt-cache policy claws-mail"
14:10<babilen>hehe
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14:10*babilen sings the song of triple-redundancy :)
14:11<cthuluh>Eulenspiegel69: preferences, policy
14:11*babilen cheers for funkyHat's rename galore
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14:12<Eulenspiegel69>preferences file and claws-mail policy: http://www.rifers.org/paste/show/1190
14:13<Eulenspiegel69>babilen: what do you mean with "sources"?
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14:13<cthuluh>sources.list
14:13<bartm>Eulenspiegel69, /etc/apt/sources.list
14:13<babilen>Eulenspiegel69: /etc/apt/sources.list .. but it is ok, lets take a look at your paste
14:13<Eulenspiegel69>ah, my bad, sry :)
14:13<cthuluh>you didn't paste the output of apt-cache policy (without claws-mail)
14:14<babilen>Eulenspiegel69: You are aware that testing!=squeeze right now?
14:14<babilen>there was this release last night ;)
14:14<cthuluh>and that you'd better use Pin: release a=squeeze
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14:14<whidgle>I am installing Debian on vmware and suddenly the screen went black and I can't type or do anything, is it supposed to do that?
14:15<babilen>whidgle: yes
14:15<Eulenspiegel69>apt-cache policy and sources.list: http://www.rifers.org/paste/show/1191
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14:15<Eulenspiegel69>cthuluh: already tried that --> no change
14:16<babilen>Eulenspiegel69: Try it and paste the pastes again please (don't forget to aptitude update)
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14:16<Eulenspiegel69>even if squeeze is no more testing, why does it try to update so much stuff to unstable???
14:17<babilen>whidgle: Surely it is not supposed to do that. You might want to give more information. When does this happen? How far in the install have you advanced? Which install image? ....)
14:17<bartm>Eulenspiegel69, because both testing and unstable have prio 500
14:17<Eulenspiegel69>bartm: why?
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14:18<babilen>vezult: progress?
14:18<bartm>Eulenspiegel69, are you sure your preferences file is active? I think prio 500 is the default, as if there were no preferences file at all
14:18<Eulenspiegel69>tried it again, changed "squeeze" to "testing" in preferences file, aptitude update, still wants to update plenty of stuff to unstable...
14:19<Eulenspiegel69>bartm: how do i find out if it is active?
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14:19<bartm>Eulenspiegel69, with "apt-cache policy" :)
14:20<Eulenspiegel69>already posted the output of that command at: http://www.rifers.org/paste/show/1191
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14:21<andreiberceanu>hi guys
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14:21<babilen>Eulenspiegel69: Your pastes don't add up. I have never seen the "squeeze" preferences and corresponding apt-cache policy -- What you've pasted earlier still had "testing". Please set it to squeeze, run aptitude update, and paste again
14:21<andreiberceanu>i am trying to change the default browser from epiphany to iceweasel
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14:22<andreiberceanu>i did sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
14:22<sney>cyrus_nk: please keep questions to the channel
14:22<andreiberceanu>and selected it but it still didnt change..
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14:22<abrotman>andreiberceanu: in what? gnome?
14:23<cyrus_nk>sney it doesn't work. failed to start x server again. i followed what u said although when installing dkms it said it is broken. don't know what to do and what to check
14:23<sney>cyrus_nk: if aptitude failed to install dkms please copy the install process to http://paste.debian.net/ and give us a link
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14:23<bartm>andreiberceanu, maybe gnome-www-browser
14:23<andreiberceanu>in gnome yes
14:24<Eulenspiegel69>changed testing to squeeze again (update, upgrade and stuff). this is the new apt-get policy output: http://www.rifers.org/paste/show/1192
14:24<andreiberceanu>hey, gnome-www-browser worked!
14:24<andreiberceanu>thanks :)
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14:25<bartm>andreiberceanu, I found that with this: ls /etc/alternatives/|grep browser
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14:30<Eulenspiegel69>moment... did you guys mean change testing to squeeze in the preferences file or source file?
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14:32<Eulenspiegel69>Aah, got it now. Changed testing to squeeze in the source file and now everything is back to normal. Thanks for your efforts to help me :)
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14:32<babilen>Eulenspiegel69: In the preferences file (but you want squeeze in the sources.list too)
14:33<babilen>Eulenspiegel69: Great ...
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14:34<lmarcetic>hello. so i let update manager do the unsafe install on unstable, and now the system is broken. my question, other than how is this possible is what should i do to get xserver if xserver-xorg-input-all is a dependency impossible to resolve (so says aptitude)?
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14:35<lmarcetic>*"unsafe" upgrade
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14:35<Eulenspiegel69>Are Debian developers still aiming annual debian releases or let it be like "when it's done" like it is now?
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14:36<sney>lmarcetic: any time unstable is involved, things can become broken very quickly. it's called unstable for a reason, and it's not supported here; you're expected to support it yourself. that said, maybe purge all of xorg entirely
14:36<amphi>lmarcetic: you wonder how it is possible that an 'unsafe install' on the unstable branch should break something?
14:37<sney>Eulenspiegel69: 'when it's done' is probably going to stick around
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14:37<lmarcetic>amphi: i don't see why the GUI would offer me to break my system :-/
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14:37<sney>the words 'unsafe' and 'unstable' should have been warning enough
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14:38<sney>at least to do some research before pressing ok
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14:38<lmarcetic>sney: should i use regex to make it remove all xserver-.*? how do i do that, and why do you think that'd help?
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14:38<lmarcetic>sney: every time i press ok?
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14:39<sney>if you're not able to use and support unstable, then why did you install it
14:39<lmarcetic>unstable is about what all other distros call their current versions. i'm using Debian on my Desktop, so stable is out of the question
14:39<spine>Hi all, I worry I might not be the only person asking the following question here today but... I'm attempting to upgrade my deb5 to a deb6 installation and I'm having trouble locating any proper docs to help me. Any pointers please?
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14:40<ansgar>lmarcetic: No, that is not true. Other distribution's releases don't change all the time.
14:40<bartm>spine, the release notes?
14:40<daemonkeeper>!lenny->squeeze
14:40<lmarcetic>ansgar: oh?
14:40<daemonkeeper>!tell lenny->squeeze
14:40<amphi>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
14:40<dpkg>Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <squeeze release notes>.
14:40<ansgar>lmarcetic: And FWIW Debisn stable is quite usable on desktops as well.
14:40<sney>so you just made a decision based on anecdotal evidence from non-debian sources. good job. I'd recommend a reinstall. current debian 'stable' was just released yesterday so it's not old yet; if you want newish stuff just run stable until testing exists again and update to testing
14:41<daemonkeeper>thank you :o
14:41<lmarcetic>ansgar: "usable" is too broad of a term
14:41<spine>Thanks for that, I'll go give it a try :
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14:41<lmarcetic>(...for me to disagree)
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14:42<amphi>!tell lmarcetic -about sid
14:42<deufrai>Happy squeezing to everyone :)
14:43<lmarcetic>sney: how does one do an "unsafe" upgrade via cli anyway?
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14:43<lmarcetic>didn't see that option in apt-get, so i'm surprised to have it in the GUI
14:43<sney>probably apt-get dist-upgrade without reading the instructions, but I think 'unsafe' is a word only used by synaptic's dialogs
14:44<alukardd> /charset koi8-r
14:44<sney>if you're using the command line apt tools you're expected to either a) know what you're doing or b) read the manual (or both)
14:44<lmarcetic>sney: so basically, if i did dist-upgrade it'd break my sys just as well?
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14:44<bartm>lmarcetic, with sid in your sources.list, yes
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14:45<lmarcetic>sney: yes, i know. i'm expected to know everything and consequently not ask any questions
14:45<sney>from lenny to squeeze, without following the instructions, yes. from squeeze to sid, who knows, it's an adventure. from squeeze to wheezy, probably not, though wheezy still doesn't exist yet.
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14:45<whidgle>hey the black screen the the debian was supposed to show after its install is there for like 30 mins, any ideas?
14:45<sney>you're expected to do some research, ask smart questions, and consider your actions before you take them. it's the smart way to live ( ¯3¯)
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14:45<lmarcetic>sney: i was simply updating the system's packages. i was already on sid
14:46<sney>!broken in sid
14:46<dpkg>Well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. See <sid>, <break>.
14:46*pastubbs sends sney a cold beer
14:46<amphi>sid breaks, news at 11 ;)
14:46<bartm>whidgle, maybe a setting of the monitor, to go blank after some idle time
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14:46<whidgle>I am on Vmware bartm
14:46<mc68040>lmarcetic: better do dist-upgrade only on command line and READ what will be done before i confirm
14:46<nardev>hello, i'm having problems with dist-upgrade http://paste.debian.net/106712/
14:47<bartm>nardev, "No space left on device"
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14:47<lmarcetic>mc68040: i'd think the prog should warn me if package dependencies will not be met
14:48<sney>do you have apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges installed?
14:48<nardev>babilen, i have boot partition separated, should i try to free it a bit?
14:48<mc68040>lmarcetic: well, dist-upgrade can/will remove packages to resolve dependencies
14:48<nardev>bartm, , i have boot partition separated, should i try to free it a bit?
14:48<mc68040>lmarcetic: and that hit u...
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14:49<babilen>nardev: huh? why me?
14:49<nardev>sorry it was mistake
14:49<bartm>babilen, because your nick starts with "ba" :)
14:49<nardev>:) when i pressed tab :)
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14:50<lmarcetic>mc68040: why is this irreversible anyway?
14:50<babilen>ah! well, have fun! *phew* (/me is busy on freenode)
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14:51<alukardd>I try to repeat my questions
14:51<alukardd>I update my debian lenny to squeeze, and the grub2 was installed (i don't run yet script thet complete to change grub tu grub2) and system don't loading from grub2, only from grub. How can i resolve my problem?)
14:51<alukardd>No filesystem could mount root, tried:
14:51<volta>so folks, i upgraded from lenny to squeeze (i really dislike the new kde plasma desktop); xorg used to run properly before, but now it's messed up; using the driver 'nv'; Xorg.0.log says the following: (II) Primary Device is: PCI 02@00:00:0 (--) NV: Found NVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400 at 02@00:00:0 (EE) NV: Kernel modesetting driver in use, refusing to load (EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: no screens found
14:51<alukardd>v
14:51<alukardd>kernel panic - not syncing VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
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14:52<Torsten_W>volta, start your system with nouveau.modeset=0
14:52*lmarcetic is surprised at the number of people who upgraded from stable to testing, while testing became stable
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14:52<Torsten_W>volta, remove xserver-corg-video-nouveau
14:52<Torsten_W>volta, do echo blacklist nouveao >> /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist.conf
14:52<Torsten_W>volta, reinstall the nvidia-driver
14:53<mc68040>lmarcetic: seems an inconsisteny in unstable right now, nothing speial after a release
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14:54<lmarcetic>mc68040: should i expect xserver-xorg-input-all to appear soon?
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14:54<lmarcetic>mc68040: but honestly, not to be rude but i don't understand why this happens.
14:55<ansgar>lmarcetic: Because random new stuff goes into unstable. And there might be missing dependencies all the time. It's a feature of unstable.
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14:55<lmarcetic>he is socially inept and can't play with others. he beats them up. who cares, yell "Here comes Johnny" and throw him in the sandbox
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14:56<oOarthurOo>lmarcetic, if you're having problems with sid, why not try experimental? It is even more cutting edge, and since you have a desktop that you don't care whether it works or not, as long as its new, you might prefer it.
14:56<Pitxyoki>volta, Torsten_W meant "echo blacklist nouveau...." (notice the 'u')
14:56<lmarcetic>oOarthurOo: ahahahhahhaaahahhahhaahahahaahahahhaaaaaa...haa
14:56<mc68040>lmarcetic: i dont know
14:57<lmarcetic>mc68040: thx tho. you've been helpful. i'll do ommit the "dist-" in the future :-)
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14:58<mc68040>lmarcetic: if u keep testing/unstable you will need from time to time, because upgrade/safe-upgrade cant always resolve all
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14:59<bartm>mc68040, lmarcetic is already out
14:59<mc68040>bartm: i saw...
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14:59<mc68040>bartm: but to late :)
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15:00<volta>thanks Torsten_W & Pitxyoki for the quick help :D
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15:06<grummund>what is the Right Way to disable a service through /etc/rcN.d/symlinks ?
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15:07<bartm>grummund, which service do you want to disable?
15:07<grummund>sshd
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15:07<cjhmdm>hello everyone.. I have a slight issue that I can't seem to resolve.. I've ust installed squeeze amd64 and keep getting the following error message "locale: Cannot set [LC_CTYPE][LC_MESSAGES][LC_COLLATE] to default locale: No such file or directory". During installation, based on my language (en) and location (PH - philippines), my default locale is always set to "en_PH.UTF8 UTF8" and post...
15:07<mc68040>grummund: man update-rc.d
15:07<cjhmdm>...installation I always change it to "en_US.UTF8 UTF8" without a problem but now in squeeze I'm getting the messages (there are 3 messages total, they're the same aside from what's in the brackets). I've run dpkg-reconfigure locales, and it appears to set up the locale correctly but then running locale -a gives the same errors. Any ideas?
15:07<cjhmdm>sorry for the HWoT btw
15:08<grummund>mc68040: thanks
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15:09<ml|_>grummund: use 'sysv-rc-conf' instead
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15:10<grummund>ml|_: what would be the advantage? (it's not currently installed)
15:10<m0>should LSD warnings be reported as bugs?
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15:11<ml|_>grummund: less chance of screwing something up; but it's your choice
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15:11<grummund>ok. man update-rc.d mentions 'sysv-rc-conf' and 'bum'
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15:13<grummund>any votes for 'bum'? :p
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15:13<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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15:15<m0>Is it safe to delete /etc/init.d/iptables
15:15<arand>I'm trying to get rid of the system beep: Have tried blacklisting pcspkr and snd-pcsp, "install pcspkr /bin/true", adding pcspkr to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, none of which made any difference whatsoever, I'm currently using "set bell-style none" in my inputrc, but that does not get rid of the beeps on shutdown, how would I completely get rid of it? The dpkg hin
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15:16<arand>...hints doesn't help me.
15:18<Pitxyoki>lsmod | grep spk
15:18<Pitxyoki>Do you see anything there?
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15:22<zylt>how do i disable updates for openoffice?
15:22<devil>zylt: put it on hold
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15:22<zylt>devil: how/where?
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15:22<devil>zylt: echo package hold|dpkg --set-selections
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15:23<Byte_Code>How do I log in as root and/or add my normal account to the sudoers file in debian?
15:23<devil>zylt: a apt-get install package will override that
15:23<devil>Byte_Code: visudo is your friend
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15:24<devil>and you root with su
15:24<zylt>devil: how do i tell the update manager to skip one single update?
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15:24<ml|_>Byte_Code: visudo to add
15:25<babilen>zylt: "aptitude hold PACKAGE" ;)
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15:25<arand>Pitxyoki: Nope
15:25<aiwass>hi, can anyone help me installing grub for a hdd raid 0 2 x 200? after installing debian, grub 2 won't install, nor lilo
15:26<devil>zylt: i told you. to revert it: echo package install|dpkg --set-selections
15:26<jmarsden>zylt: replace "package" in devils instructions with the name of the package concerned.
15:27<devil>ehm, sorry, of course.
15:27<arand>Pitxyoki: So the blacklist/modprobe -r works as far as the module not showing up a loaded, but does nothing in actually removing the beep :/
15:27<zylt>devil: but using that i would disable updating completely, right? there's no way to ignore one single update?
15:27<babilen>zylt: Just run "aptitude hold NAME_OF_THE_PACKAGE"
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15:28<devil>zylt: it would until you revert it or run apt-get install package
15:28<abdulelah>hi
15:28<abdulelah>can someone help me please ?
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15:28<devil>abdulelah: no idea
15:28<amphi>!tell abdulelah -about ask
15:29<zylt>devil: ok, so no way of ignoring this single update, but (automatically) receiving the next one?
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15:29<jmarsden>zylt: Ignoring one single update generally makes no sense, because you do not know that the "problem" in that "one single update" will not also be in the *next* (as yet uncreated) update...
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15:30<devil>zylt: you could read what babilen says for that usecase. i am quite sure he will not repeat it a 3rd time :)
15:30<jmarsden>zylt: So you hold, and then when you see the "next update" and test it and make sure you want it, you remove the hold.
15:30<zylt>jmarsden: my problem is that Opera's latest update gives a 404 error
15:30*babilen wouldn't mind :)
15:30<jmarsden>zylt: And how do you know the next one will not do the same? Just put it on hold :)
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15:31<abdulelah>i just installed squeeze and grub don't shows my windows 7 at the boot, can someone help please ?
15:31<zylt>jmarsden: so i set 'aptitude hold opera'?
15:31<arand>Pitxyoki: I just tried renaming the pcspkr.ko file, and confirmed that it wasn't loaded, however echo -ne '\a' > /dev/tty1 still managed to blast my ears : (
15:31<jmarsden>zylt: Yes, if opera is the exact package name.
15:32<amphi>abdulelah: is os-prober installed?
15:32<devil>zylt: you started out with openoffice, now its opera?
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15:32<abdulelah>please someone
15:33<zylt>devil: opera is causing mischeaf, openoffice is just annoying (since i don't use it)
15:33<zylt>devil: and it wants to install updates for like 300Mb/week
15:33<ml|_>abdulelah: < amphi> abdulelah: is os-prober installed?
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15:34<abdulelah>i don't know
15:34<devil>zylt: if you do not use openoffice, why not purge it?
15:34<devil>zylt: did you add opera repo to your sources?
15:35<abdulelah>how to know that os-prober is installed or not ?
15:35<zylt>devil: well, now that it's installed i could just as well keep it?
15:35<devil>zylt: for?
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15:35<amphi>abdulelah: just try to install it - aptitude install os-prober
15:35<devil>zylt: you do not make much sense :)
15:35<abdulelah>ok just sec
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15:35<zylt>devil: opera is still causing mischief, apt-get update complains about signature verification for opera
15:36<devil>zylt: well, the repo has a key
15:36<devil>zylt: thats not mischief but security
15:36<zylt>devil: now, at some point i might have some use for openoffice, but i don't like to be bothered by the constant huge updates...makes sense?
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15:36<zylt>devil: yes, but i would be much more happy if the key didn't produce errors
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15:37<abdulelah>0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
15:37<abdulelah>Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.
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15:37<abdulelah>so yea it's installed
15:37<devil>zylt: then add it :)
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15:37<zylt>devil: how? (and why is this necessary to do manually for opera only?)
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15:38<abdulelah>amphi: yea it's installed
15:39<amphi>abdulelah: try update-grub and see if it picks up your windows install
15:39<devil>zylt: opera is not (and will never be in debian) so, its even more important you import their key, if you trust tehm
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15:39<osmoossi>could someone help me with mounting ntfs drives/pendrives?
15:39<osmoossi>my fresh installed squeeze refuses to mount them
15:39<devil>osmoossi: did you try ntfs-3g?
15:39<osmoossi>it is installed
15:40<osmoossi>and i have added myself to fuse group
15:40<zylt>devil: chrome is 3rd party too, but that works as expected...but ok, HOW do i add opera's key?
15:40<abdulelah>amphi : Found Windows 7 (loader) on /dev/sda1
15:40<osmoossi>manual mounting with sudo rights works
15:40<ml|_>!congratulate abdulelah
15:40<dpkg>Nice one abdulelah, you did it!
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15:40<devil>zylt: chromium is in debian, no need for chrome. kck it.
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15:40<abdulelah>thank you guys you rocks !!!
15:41<zylt>devil: there are some features of chrome not in chromium
15:41<amphi>abdulelah: well, let us not count chickens yet - see if grub will actually boot windows
15:41<devil>zylt: for adding the key, look at their page
15:41<abdulelah>ok i'll
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15:41<devil>zylt: which are?
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15:41<devil>zylt: phoning home?
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15:41<jmarsden>zylt: Usually you will need something like apt-key adv --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys KEYID # replace the KEYID with the keyid for opera's key, and the pgp.mit.edu with a keyserver that has that key on it.
15:42<zylt>devil: internal pdf viewer, i believe?
15:42<devil>zylt: my chromium has it.
15:42<jmarsden>zylt: Internal flash as well, I think
15:42<devil>i am at version 11.x
15:43<zylt>devil: hm, i will investigate
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15:43<zylt>jmarsden: apt-key takes an internet adress as argument?
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15:43<devil>zylt: no, the last 8 digits of the key
15:44<amphi>abdulelah: did it boot?
15:44<abdulelah>amphi : YES thank you !
15:44<amphi>good-oh
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15:44<jmarsden>zylt: apt-key adv takes arguments for the gpg binary, which includes --keyserver address.of.keyserver.whatever as well as the --recv-keys KEYID
15:44<ml|_>!beer amphi
15:44*dpkg deftly decants a fine Gulden Drak for amphi
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15:45<amphi>ouf, another beverage?
15:45<retrospectacus>morning everyone. How's Squeeze's first day going?
15:45<alukardd>bad(
15:45<Eulenspiegel69>does anyone know when "the debian system - concepts and techniques" 2nd edition will release?
15:46<retrospectacus>yeah first day I installed squeeze was interesting too
15:46<zylt>jmarsden: opera's page says wget -O - http://deb.opera.com/archive.key | apt-key add -
15:47<jmarsden>Yuck, they don't publish their key properly. OK, then do it their way.
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15:53<zylt>jmarsden: how do i check if a package is on hold or not?
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15:54<Eulenspiegel69>/etc/apt/preferences for example
15:55<devil>zylt: dpkg --get-selections | grep hold
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15:57<zylt>devil: ok, so my troubles with opera are resolved...but openoffice does not restrict itself to a single package
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15:58<osmoossi>my squeeze isnt automounting anything :(
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15:58<Dimillian>Ho
15:58<Dimillian>Hi
15:58<Dimillian>I just upgraded to debian 6
15:58<Dimillian>and now Mysql server can't start
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15:59<retrospectacus>there is a mysql upgrade procedure u have to do between 5.0 and 5.1 iirc
15:59<Dimillian>I missed it
16:00<Dimillian>What was it ? because now it say that Mysql 5.1 is not configured and dpkg can't configure it
16:00<retrospectacus>the log should tell you what to do
16:00<Dimillian>the log is empty :/
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16:01<themill>Dimillian: do you have "mysql-server-5.1" actually installed?
16:01<retrospectacus>or if the debian-sys-maint account is not working you can read the PW out of /etc/mysql/debian (??) start mysql (somehow) and run update Users set password = ?? where User = 'debian-sys-maint' or so
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16:02<Dimillian>Partially installed
16:02<Dimillian>but not configured
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16:02<themill>Dimillian: can you pastebin the entire output of "aptitude -f install" for us?
16:03<Dimillian>http://pastebin.com/TxFUUYYA
16:03<Dimillian>In french :/
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16:03<retrospectacus>!localized errors
16:03<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install
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16:04<themill>Dimillian: that looks like a configuration error in your /etc/mysql/my.cnf (or in conf.d). There are some configuration directives that have changed.
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16:08<Dimillian>Hmm yes at the configuration I choosed to keep mine, how can I replace it by the new one ?
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16:08<zylt>hm, chromium lacks an integrated flash player (according to wikipedia)...correct?
16:09<sney>license restrictions yeah
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16:09<devil>zylt: it uses html5 and webm
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16:11<zylt>devil: but flash is (sadly) the standard throughout the web
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16:12<devil>zylt: i gave up on it and lived on happy ever after
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16:12<Eulenspiegel69>does anyone know when "the debian system - concepts and techniques" 2nd edition will release?
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16:13<zylt>devil: are there any nice features of chromium 11 not available in chrome 9?
16:14<devil>zylt: dont really know, i dont follow the stable side much
16:14<retrospectacus>how do you get v.11 ? I'm showing inly 9 in apt-cache policy, even for experimental
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16:15<retrospectacus>s/inl/onl/
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16:16<lmarcetic>hey there again.
16:16<devil>retrospectacus: its a build we do for our users in a specual repo, nothing officialy debian
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16:17<firefox>so I just did a dist upgrade. got nothing but a blank screen on boot until I put nomodeset on the kernel line. before I even rebooted it took out my network-manager. I can manually hook up to wireless and get on the net, but networl-manager does detect the card? any suggestions on how to boot normal and fix NM?
16:17<retrospectacus>I won't blab!
16:17<retrospectacus>;)
16:17<zylt>devil: would putting openoffice.org on hold stop ALL updates for openoffice?
16:18<devil>zylt: try it. i am not so familiar with its r/depends
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16:20<zylt>devil: hm, for some reason 'aptitude hold openoffice.org' does not result in openoffice.org being put on hold
16:20<m0>Hello, I am trying to figure out if the following scripts are needed in init.d and rc "insserv: warning: script 'K20pwcheck' missing LSB tags and overrides, insserv: warning: script 'pwcheck' missingâ LSB tags and overrides"
16:22<alukardd>IMHO, you must to do LSB tags by hands in /etc/init.d/pwcheck before run update-rc.d -f pwcheck remove and after run update-rc.d pwcheck defaults
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16:23<lmarcetic>so i've installed a lenny and then did apt-get update, which gave me sid packages, but not exactly sid (what i mean eg. is that sid uses gdm3, and i have the newest gdm2 instead). should i not dist-upgrade because it's risky? :-(
16:23<m0>Why should the user be the one doing that? LSB headers are missing from pwcheck and iptables
16:24<lmarcetic>*actually, perhaps testing uses gdm3 as well. i'm missing the whole transition due to not using dist-upgrade
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16:25<mc68040>lmarcetic: why you used lenny and not squeeze? squeeze comes with gdm3
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16:25<lmarcetic>mc68040: yes, i've skipped a step i guess
16:25<lmarcetic>mc68040: i have an older install CD
16:27<m0>alukardd: how would someone know what the default LSB values are?
16:27<themill>m0: those init scripts are not from debian -- where are they from?
16:27<m0>themill: I have no clue to tell you the truth
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16:28<lmarcetic>mc68040: oh and didn't pull from mirrors while installing (because of speed), nor dist-upgraded before replacing sources.list. perhaps i should have... i'm trying to avoid breaking it again, and empirically I know skipping a step works
16:28<m0>themill: two LSB scripts are failing iptables and pwcheck, the one for iptables is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=555832 says its safe to remove.
16:29<alukardd>m0: i'm not shure i see google for some package with i have a trouble, and the describe told me that i must do that self. I don't know why it so but it so...
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16:31<m0>themill: From locating pwcheck it is pointing to /var/run/pwcheck which is a symlink to /var/spool/postfix/var/run/pwcheck
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16:31<m0>I will just remove it.
16:31<zylt>devil: your way of echo | dpkg works, but it only sets openoffice.org on hold and retains install for a couple dozens other packages
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16:32<devil>zylt: openoffice.org* might work
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16:32<zylt>devil: what's the reason for aptitude hold not working?
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16:33<devil>zylt: you will have to ask aptitude users
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16:34<zylt>devil: even if openoffice.org* works as expected, there might be other openoffice packages not beginning with 'openoffice.org', right?
16:34<alukardd>m0: remove what? init script?
16:34<devil>zylt: very few, like ure
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16:35<zylt>devil: but i would have to manually hold each of them?
16:35<devil>yes
16:35<zylt>oh, the horror
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16:36<zylt>devil: anyway, * did not work
16:36<devil>zylt: i know it works with dpkg, no idea why not in this case. how did you test?
16:37<zylt>echo "openoffice.org* hold" | dpkg --set-selections
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16:37<brunner>I just did a fresh install on a Sony Vaio laptop. When I try to boot into single user mode, it always stops here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisbrunner/5422430759/ What could be causing this?
16:38<devil>zylt: who suggested brackets?
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16:39<zylt>devil: well, google
16:39<brunner>Can anyone tell me why my system would always halt here when I try to boot into single user mode? http://tinyurl.com/63vrrvb
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16:39<zylt>devil: removing them didn't do the trick either though
16:39<devil>brunner: you could remove 'quiet' from your kernel bootline to get more verbose output
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16:40<brunner>devil, thanks. I thought I had, but I'll try that.
16:40<jhutchins_lt>,versions ltsp-server
16:40<judd>Package ltsp-server on i386 -- lenny: 5.1.10-2; sid: 5.1.98-1; lenny-backports: 5.2.4-2~bpo50+2; sid: 5.2.4-2; squeeze: 5.2.4-2; wheezy: 5.2.4-2
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16:41<devil>brunner: does it boot fine to any other runlevel?
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16:42<brunner>devil, no. It's having graphics issues. so, I was going to boot into single user mode to alter/create xorg.conf
16:43<devil>brunner: is that squeeze?
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16:44<abdulelah>amphi : can you help me please
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16:44<amphi>abdulelah: what ails thee?
16:44<abdulelah>ive been trying to install nvidia driver
16:44<dadava>where's wheezy ???
16:45<amphi>!nvidia
16:45<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia m-a> or <nvidia dkms> might work; see <nvidia lenny> for oldstable procedures. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
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16:45<abdulelah>amphi : ywa NVIDIA
16:46<amphi>abdulelah: try http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
16:46<abdulelah>amphi : ok
16:46<jhutchins_lt>abdulelah: The way this works is that you give the specifics of the problem you're having, along with the release you're working with, and if somebody sees it and knows what's going on they'll probably ask you some questions about it.
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16:49<abdulelah>amphi : look i'm trying to install "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-260.19.36.run" that i just download it from Nvidia site and when i install it i get this message "ERROR: Unable to find the system utility `ld`; please make sure you have the
16:49<abdulelah> package 'binutils' installed. If you do have binutils installed,
16:49<abdulelah> then please check that `ld` is in your PATH.
16:49<abdulelah>"
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16:49<devil>*sigh*
16:50<zylt>devil: i googled an aptitude seems to have issues with cooperating with dpkg...so, assuming i want to use dpkg and hold all openoffice* packages?
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16:51<devil>zylt: if you think its worth it…
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16:51<devil>i would just purge it
16:52<zylt>devil: why is it autoinstalled by the debian netinstaller?
16:52<devil>zylt: is it?
16:53<zylt>devil: yes
16:53<zylt>devil: seemed to make up a good chunk of the total download time as well
16:53<Torsten_W>is well known, that aptitude hold != echo foo hold | dpkg --set-selections
16:53<devil>zylt: tbh, i dont know, have never used netinst
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16:54<zylt>Torsten_W: would aptitude hold still block the updates?
16:54<Torsten_W>if you use aptitude, yes
16:54<Torsten_W>if you use apt, no
16:54<babilen>amphi: we have a wonderful new nvidia one-liner for squeeze (nvidia dkms)
16:55<babilen>amphi: the wiki page is a bit dated
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16:55<amphi>babilen: ah, thanks - I wot not of nvidia blobbery
16:55<babilen>i wot not ot nvida tot!
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16:56<devil>hehe
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16:56<amphi>heh
16:56<zylt>Torsten_W: i have installed updates from the GUI package manager in gnome...(which, btw, seems to go a little bananas over the dpkg holds i put there)
16:56<Torsten_W>i don't use any gui package manager
16:58<zylt>Torsten_W: i have used apt to install things, but the GUI things pops up by itself and demands attention
16:58<Torsten_W>then purge the gui app
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17:01<zylt>Torsten_W: the dpkg holds do block updates in the GUI manager though
17:01<zylt>Torsten_W: so if someone just gave me a way of blocking openoffice* i'd be happy for now
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17:02<Pitxyoki>Isn't pinning used just for that?
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17:04<jmarsden>zylt: You still have not done that? Just hold each of the OOo packages... something like for i in `dpkg-query -W 'openoffice*'` ; do aptitude hold $i ; done should do it?
17:04<Pitxyoki>zylt, Is this what you want? ---> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-pin
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17:06<zylt>jmarsden: yeah ok, not quite the most user-friendly way though?
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17:07<jmarsden>zylt: You want user-friendly, either remove the app or update it :)
17:07<zylt>Pitxyoki: so you have found yet another mode, pin?
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17:07<Pitxyoki>That's the only mode I knew about.
17:07<Pitxyoki>Also, if you want a more user-friendly/GUI way to do it, and you use synaptic there's a menu option for that.
17:07<Pitxyoki>"Lock current version" or something like that.
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17:08<firefox>so I just did a dist upgrade. got nothing but a blank screen on boot until I put nomodeset on the kernel line. before I even rebooted it took out my network-manager. I can manually hook up to wireless and get on the net, but networl-manager does detect the card? any suggestions on how to boot normal and fix NM?
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17:10<devil>firefox: dist-upgraded to what?
17:11<firefox>squeeze, btw, I do update, upgrade, dist-upgrade.
17:11<devil>firefox: and your graphics card is?
17:11<firefox>devil, one sec
17:12<firefox>devil, Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
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17:12<devil>firefox: you might need i915.modeset=0 for a while
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17:13<devil>or nomodeset, if that works
17:13<firefox>devil, where do I throw that?
17:13<firefox>devil, nomodeset works
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17:13<devil>firefox: /etc/default/grub
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17:13<firefox>devil, would that cause my network-manager not to detect anything?
17:14<devil>firefox: no
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17:16<firefox>devil, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nomodeset quiet", so like that?
17:16<tuzok>perhaps your wireless interface need non-free drivers which were gone to "non-free" in squeeze
17:16<devil>should be fine, yes. you need to run update-grub now before reboot
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17:17<devil>tuzok: probably the case
17:17<firefox>devil, tyvm
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17:18<firefox>devil, I guess I'll just have to set things the manual way for networking atm. gotta feed a toddler now haha
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17:18<devil>firefox: that will break again, as later versions will make KMS mandatory. then just take the cheat out
17:19<hecatexx>hi, i have the next error when debian is booting: madm: Container /dev/md/imsm0 has been assembled with 2 drives / Failure: failed to assemble all arrays / done / done ... can anyone help me to fix this error ?
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17:21<cd_>Hi folks! It's kinda silly question maybe, but I don't do it very often, so: how can I upgrade (safely) my debian system? Thanks!
17:21<devil>cd_: from to?
17:21<cd_>devil: from lenny to 6.0
17:21<tuzok>I am about to burn a Squeeze DVD on a lightscribe DVD disc, but I don't see any up-to-date DVD cover pictures on http://www.debian.org/CD/artwork/ or google. Does anyone have a nice picture for "Squeeze" DVD?
17:21<zylt>jmarsden: now, bash isn't clever enough to understand a script exactly like you wrote it?
17:22<devil>!squeeze
17:22<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.
17:22<devil>!tell cd lenny->squeeze
17:22<daemonkeeper>cd_
17:22<devil>grrr
17:23<devil>!tell cd_ lenny->squeeze
17:23<daemonkeeper>:)
17:23<tuzok>hecatexx: what other md volumes besides imsm0 did you have on your system?
17:23<babilen>cd_: Just read the release notes, they explain the process in great detail and are easy to follow. If you have questions during the process just ask in here.
17:24<cd_>babillen: oh, ok! thanks.
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17:30<hecatexx>well, i have hdd raid 0 2 x 200 gb
17:30<hecatexx>that are seen in fdisk listing as sda and sdb
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17:34<hecatexx>tuzok: result of fdisk -l http://pastebin.com/XYfcs35N
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17:37<chibapet>Can all. I tried upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze on a somewhat important personal "box" that's actually a Xen instance. I didn't realize the underlying kernel was too old for the new udev, so I've tried to back off to Lenny, but I'm having trouble removing, for instance, diffutils.
17:37<chibapet>Hey all* I meant
17:37<chibapet>Can someone suggest how I can force the package to be removed?
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17:41<chibapet>dselect is letting me force things
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17:43<chibapet>Yeah, my life is thoroughly screwed now.
17:43<chibapet>Sigh.
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17:53<jesperj>Trying to verify a Debian iso with SHA512SUMS, and now verifying the SHA512SUMS file with SHA612SUMS.sign and gpg gives "WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner." Am I doing something wrong? If not why doesn't the verification pass? See http://paste.debian.net/106723/
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17:54<dvs>jesperj: no, you're not doing anything wrong.
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17:56<jesperj>dvs: So what's up with the warning msgs?
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17:57<dvs>jesperj: Debian didn't get their key signed by a recognized authority.
17:57<jesperj>Seems like the key isn't trustworthy
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17:58<sret>babilen: lol
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17:59<sret>late response byt yeah US has a lot of bandwidth
17:59<jesperj>On this website http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/396231-lenny-iso-signed-key-64e6ea7d.html the Debian key they are checking there is "signed by a number of people including two previous DPLs and members of the release team".
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17:59<sret>i scrolled through 12 hrs of stuff to see who last used my nick, need to figure out howin irssi
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17:59<amphi>sret: /lastlog ?
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18:00<sret>amphi: oh thanks
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18:00<sret>amphi: what does last log do? didnt tell me anything
18:01<amphi>/lastlog something_you_look_for
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18:01<amphi>/help lastlog for grisly detail
18:01<sret>oh thanks
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18:02<sret>i tried /lastlog sret, get nothing
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18:02<amphi>in this window, or providing the window number?
18:02<babilen>sret: US is a joke compared to Japan, Korea, Finland, Sweden, Latvia, ..... (Google it yourself)
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18:03<sret>amphi: ah got it thanks
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18:03<sret>babilen: i know i know europe has a lot
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18:05<jesperj>anyone else who knows the deal with the Debian key verification?
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18:07<sret>!debian installer
18:07<dpkg>6.0 squeeze is now the "stable" Debian release (Feb 06, 2011). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. See also <errata>, <g-i>.
18:07<sret>err
18:08<themill>jesperj: You can see the people who have signed that key yourself. http://pgp.surfnet.nl:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x6294BE9B If you are part of the web of trust, then you may well have a trust path to that key.
18:08<sret>whats th debian installer called?
18:09<sret>oh its debianinstaller
18:09<daemonkeeper>Debian Installer :)
18:09<ml|_>di for short ;)
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18:10<sret>has there been any changes to the new di for partioning?
18:11<daemonkeeper>Compared to what?
18:12<sret>compared to the one in lenny
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18:13<daemonkeeper>I supports LVM and cryptodisks now. I think this wasn't supported in Lenny yet (though I'm not certain).
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18:14<sret>erm lenny had guided LVM or sometihng right which was about encrypoting?
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18:14<jesperj>themill: Ok. Thanks. What is pgp.surfnet.nl, and do I have to use that to check the signing of this key? When I tried to check the key with gpg --list-sigs and --check-sigs I got this: http://paste.debian.net/106726/ , so that doesn't seem to work at least.
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18:14<sret>lewnny had LVM too ifi remember corectly, i remembe reading the docs
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18:16<themill>jesperj: that website is a web interface to a keyserver. You need to import the keys if you want to be able to check the IDs on the signatures; what you've already done has already verified that it is signed correctly though -- what you are now trying to do is to verify that it has been signed by the right people and that is impossible to do if you are neither in the web of trust yourself nor trust the signatures that are there.
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18:20<daemonkeeper>sret: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SqueezeGoals and http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/debian-installer/debian-installer_20110106/changelog.
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18:20<daemonkeeper>Should be a comprehensive overview
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18:20<sret>daemonkeeper: thx
18:21<jesperj>themill: So what does the warning that gpg gives me mean in this situation, and is it of any importance?
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18:21<jesperj>themill: Thank you for explaining this btw :)
18:21<Spark_E>When I installed Squeeze, the only line it put in my /etc/apt/sources.lst file was the security.debian.org squeeze/updates main repo. Where I can find some info on what I need to add? Right now I can't find any packages.
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18:25<jesperj>themill: "This key is not certified with a trusted signature! There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner" that is. Is this because I do not have downloaded and chosen to trust the keys that has in turn signed this key that the message concerns? (or something similar)
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18:25<themill>jesperj: it tells you that you have no trust path from _your_ key to the key that signed the release file. If I were to look at this, I'd find that my key signed moray's key that signed bubulle's key that signed Sledge's key that actually signed the CDs. (and similar paths for each of the signatures on the CD hash). That means that I have a trust path and can be happy.
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18:27<jesperj>themill: Ok. That sounds like what I tried to describe just now.
18:27<tuzok>hecatexx: I have little experience with dmraid, but it seems to me that /dev/sda and /dev/sdb are actually in the same array. Could you give me output of 'dmraid -s /dev/dm-0'?
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18:29<sney>Spark_E: you just need to add a main repository
18:29<tuzok>hecatexx: sorry, I meant sda and sdb are not in the same array (partition of sdb is empty, but sda seems valid)
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18:31<hecatexx>tuzok: there are 6 partitions, 4 ntfs, one ext3 and a swap one
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18:32<hecatexx>tuzok: sdb is not empty
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18:33<jesperj>themill: You said earlier "what you've already done has already verified that it is signed correctly though". I guess you refer to when I do a "gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS" and get 'Good signature from "Debian CD signing key <debian-cd@lists.debian.org>"' (followed by the warning...). Can you explain to me (who is not very knowledgeable about this process) how this is "proof enough" of it being signed correctly? Is it just
18:33<jesperj> the email adress of <debian-cd@lists.debian.org> that should be good enough evidence for me or what?
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18:34<hecatexx>and i got ERROR: either the required RAID set not found or more options required with dmraid
18:34<tuzok>hecatexx: i can see this from output of /dev/dm-0, but shouldn't this be the same for /dev/sda?
18:34<tuzok>try dmraid -r
18:35<hecatexx>tuzok: /dev/sdb: isw, "isw_ieiggbcgb", GROUP, ok, 390721966 sectors, data@ 0 /dev/sda: isw, "isw_ieiggbcgb", GROUP, ok, 390721966 sectors, data@ 0
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18:36<themill>jesperj: you've got a mathematical proof that the signature is correct. That's a great start and that's all gpg was able to tell you. Anyone can create a key claiming to be from that address so that's not enough for you to believe the signature... what you could do is verify that the cd key signature was signed by the people who make the CDs. The signatures that you have there are found in the debian-keyring package which is signed by the ftp-
18:36<themill>masters and in turn their signature is on the website with a certificate from SPI
18:37<tuzok>hecatexx: what will tell 'dmraid -s isw'?
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18:39<hecatexx>ERROR: either the required RAID set not found or more options required no raid sets and with names: "isw"
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18:50<jesperj>themill: Interesting. I installed debian-keyring and added it to my ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf. Now when checking with gpg --list-sigs and --check-sigs I get a new sign ID of "sig 1B3045CE 2011-01-07 Colin Tuckley <colint@debian.org>". This makes it seem more plausible to trust the verification.
18:50<themill>indeed :)
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18:53<jesperj>themill: Thank you very much for explaining this. Can I spread/use the information from this conversation if I pass the info on or make some guide or something. I would of course say it comes from your nick and this channel if so.
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18:54<themill>jesperj: Go for it. don't worry about attribution.. no stress there. The debian wiki has a page on "secure apt" that covers this from apt's point of view, I don't know if there's a similar page for the CDs.
18:54<cd_>Hi folks! Just tried to upgrade my debian system from lenny to squeeze. After "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" I got the message that about 200 packages have been kept back. In any reason to worry about that? Thanks.
18:54<jesperj>Awesome. I will check that wiki page out also. Again, thank you very much :)
18:54<jesperj>themill: That was for you, sorry.
18:55<themill>jesperj: happy hunting ;)
18:55<jesperj>:)
18:55<sret>cd_: not that i know of maybe because you have 200 pkgs that are up-to date/
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18:55<sret>?
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18:56<dvs>cd_: because a regular upgrade won't update packages that need new packages.
18:56<themill>cd_: that's fine. You upgrade as much as can be done without having apt to scary thing first, then you upgrade the rest. It makes the dependency resolutions steps easier and more stable
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18:58<cd_>sret: so, no reason to worry (?!). How can I upgrade the rest of packages (that need another package) and how do I find these packages that need upgraded? Have to find them one by one?
18:58<themill>cd_: are you following the instructions in the release notes?
18:58<jesperj>cd_: you really should follow some upgrade guide
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18:58<sret>cd_: na synaptic should do it for you and tell you pr apt-get
18:58<sret>right guys/
18:58<sret>there's smart upgrade too
18:58<sret>so it doesnt conflict with dependencies and such
18:59<themill>you probably shouldn't be doing that upgrade with synaptic
18:59<cd_>yes, I have the Release note intruction in front of my eyes; done it all until udev and kernel upgrade...
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18:59<themill>cd_: so after rebooting into squeeze's kernel, you'll do a dist-upgrade that will handle the "kept back" packages
18:59<ansgar>cd_: Then it's fine. Upgrading the oremaining 200 packages comes after the kernel update.
19:00<cd_>oh, ok, many thanks folks; Guess I have to restart the system and continue...
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19:05<sret>say if i compile some kinda source from someone i dont know for testing a network is it advisable?
19:05<sret>though the source should tell you what it does
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19:07<jesperj>I would appreciate some help with understanding Debsecan reports. If someone can, please reply in the threads at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=59927 or http://ask.debian.net/questions/need-help-understanding-debsecan-reports. Thank you
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19:33<abdulelah_>i'm trying to install "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-260.19.36.run" that i just download it from Nvidia site and when i install it i get this message "ERROR: Unable to find the system utility `ld`; please make sure you have the package 'binutils' installed. If you do have binutils installed, then please check that `ld` is in your PATH.
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19:34<devil>abdulelah_: why dont you just follow the debian way as told to you hours ago?
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19:34<abdulelah_>devil : i want the last version
19:34<devil>it has the last version
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19:35<abdulelah_>devil: would you please give me the URL again
19:35<devil>!nvidia
19:35<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia m-a> or <nvidia dkms> might work; see <nvidia lenny> for oldstable procedures. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
19:36<devil>the 260.19.36. needs to be built from experimental
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19:36<devil>on the other hand: is binutils installed?
19:36<abdulelah_>no i don't think so
19:37<devil>why dont you install it then?
19:37<abdulelah_>i don't know how
19:38<devil>apt-get update && apt-get install binutils
19:38<devil>you should really get some basics.
19:38<abdulelah_>:(
19:39<abdulelah_>binutils is already the newest version.
19:39<abdulelah_>it's already installed
19:39<devil>it should be.
19:39<devil>i got to run.
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19:40<Ravi>Squeeze with Gnome is using 90MB .. What am I supposed to do with the rest in my 2GB laptop? :-(
19:40<jesperj>abdulelah_: you could try "whereis ld" to get the path to where it is
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19:40<jesperj>abdulelah_: then give that to the nvidia installer or something
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19:41<abdulelah_>ok thank you guys i'll try some things :)
19:41<abdulelah_>thank you devil and jesperj
19:41<jesperj>good luck abdulelah_
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19:44<flaccid>so i am installing squeeze, failing on Select and install software
19:44<flaccid>the problem is, it doesn't give the error or why, so how do i troubleshoot it?
19:45<flaccid>ah its in a tty
19:45<babilen>*bingo*!
19:46<Ravi>21-3 Greenbay
19:46<flaccid>wow out of space it seems already. 8GB for / including /var not enough?
19:46<flaccid>i didn't select many extras
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19:46<Ravi>I installed base system + desktop...took about 3GB
19:46<Ravi>you may want to start off with basics first..and then add stuff later..
19:47<flaccid>well, the problem now is i go back to main menu and select Select and install software, but it won't let me reselect software so its a usability fail
19:47<flaccid>well 8gb should be more than enough so i'm not sure the issue
19:48<flaccid>um, the dest fs is these /target* ones in mount yeah ?
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19:49<flaccid>because looks like the auto option in the partitioner gave 5GB to /home and only 2.4GB to /
19:49<flaccid>ah well found the usability issue, that could be considered a bug imho
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19:59<flaccid>flaccid = blonde random n00b
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20:03<nach_>hello
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20:04<flaccid>hi
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20:06<nach_>I want to install debian on a intel pentium M notebook, and I don't know which version I need to download
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20:06<nach_>amd64kfreebsd-i386kfreebsd-amd64i386ia64powerpcs390
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20:07<flaccid>nach_: if a Pentium M can do amd64 which i am pretty sure it can't then use amd64, otherwise use is86
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20:07<flaccid>*i386
20:08<nach_>thanks
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20:09<daemonkeeper>i386 without -kfreebsd (just to clarify)
20:09<flaccid>oh yeah unless you are feeling experimental
20:09<daemonkeeper>Unless you want to use the FreeBSD kernel (which is not Linux)
20:10<flaccid>fbsd rules. finally my two favourite operating systems are making love
20:11*daemonkeeper wonders how a child from a penguin and a devilish thing might look like
20:12<flaccid>pretty dang tough i reckon
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20:15<forest>I'm installing kfreebsd and don't know if I should use Ext2 or UFS... ! advice...?
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20:16<flaccid>i've never used it, but fbsd uses UFS2 by default
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20:19*babilen would always ise ZFS if installing *bsd
20:19<babilen>use even
20:21<flaccid>i use zfs on additional volumes that need zfs snapshots
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20:22<abdulelah>devil : i get to work now thank you :)
20:22<abdulelah>bye!
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20:56<soon>Upgrades from Debian 5.0 (lenny)
20:57<sney>boils down to: change your sources.list, apt-get update, install new kernel & udev, apt-get dist-upgrade
20:57<soon>install new kernel & udev, no? ary you ok?
20:59<sney>what
20:59<sney>you have to update the kernel and udev first when updating from debian 5 (lenny) to debian 6 (squeeze)
20:59<soon>can you speek chinese
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20:59<soon>sorry
20:59<cthuluh>!zh
20:59<dpkg>from memory, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
21:00<soon>thank you very much
21:00<cthuluh>soon: sney was serious
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21:02<flaccid>but won't apt-get do that for you?
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21:10<sney>flaccid: not in the right order
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21:11<flaccid>true, it will do the kernel last iirc
21:11<flaccid>not sure why that would matter though
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21:25<fsdqtrcbn>is there a chromium deb package in the official repos? if not, why?
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21:28<fsdqtrcbn>oh there is one
21:28<fsdqtrcbn>chromium-browser
21:28<fsdqtrcbn>:)
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21:30<n0th1ng>Does anyone know how to setup Iceweasel to display Unicode characters?
21:30<n0th1ng>I've edited my locale to en_UTF8, and have installed all the xfonts-intl from Debian's repo.
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21:33<babilen>FYI: Live images in place now -- /msg dpkg debian live
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21:34<flaccid>heh grub-install fail in installer. says /dev/hda is the first disk
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21:34<flaccid>well no its not, thats variable
21:34<flaccid>i also said i didn't want grub but it does it anyway
21:34<flaccid>wtf, grub is mandatory?
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21:37<MichaelAllison>Hey, has anyone tried installing Debian 6 yet?
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21:38<MichaelAllison>Something's up with the kFreeBSD version--you can't make logical partitions in the installer
21:38<flaccid>ys
21:38<flaccid>yes. could be a bug
21:38<flaccid>"can't" doesn't say anything about the problem though
21:39<MichaelAllison>Yeah, I didn't take much note of it, I just figured I'd make a home partition and a swap partition after I installed it
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21:39<MichaelAllison>now when I go to the boot screen and try to log on, it just hangs :)
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21:39<cthuluh>freebsd must be installed on a primary partition, iirc
21:39<MichaelAllison>so far this has been rather a disaster, clocking in at 3 hours of being really confused lol
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21:39<MichaelAllison>cthuluh: it is installed to a primary partition
21:40<MichaelAllison>the /home partition can be and should be a logical partition, though
21:40<MichaelAllison>and swap, obviously, too
21:40<cthuluh>do you know about disklabels?
21:40<MichaelAllison>it won't do partition #5, but it'll do partition #6--apparently the bug existed before the release, too, so wtf
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21:41<MichaelAllison>not particularly, not a BSD person--Google time
21:41<flaccid>yes. you might like to learn what a bsd slice is.
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21:42<MichaelAllison>why did they even release it, though? it's not possible to install the OS at all, if I understand the bug correctly, in its BSD flavor
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21:42<MichaelAllison>unless you put your swap on a primary partition o_o all the default partition layouts use at least one logical partition
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21:43<jmarsden>MichaelAllison: / on one primary partition and swap on a second primary partition should work fine. Keep it simple for a first test install.
21:44<flaccid>MichaelAllison: where is this bug?
21:44<MichaelAllison>I'm looking for the bug report I had up earlier
21:45<flaccid>coz i'm curious..
21:45<MichaelAllison>jmarsden: Yeah, but this is a stable release and all the default partition layouts (if I selected guided) error
21:45<MichaelAllison>that seems to me to be a major problem
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21:45<flaccid>that could be a usability bug yes
21:46<flaccid>i don't mind testing this out too. i'm a bsd guy but deal mainly with linux in my job..
21:46<MichaelAllison>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=602129
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21:47<MichaelAllison>it's only been stable for what, a day? I'm not upset over it, and I've always been a pretty big fan of Debian as a distro, but it's rather surprising to see this major a flaw in any release, let alone a stable one, lol
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21:47<breadtk>I'm curious, has anybody tried writing up essays, blog posts, or articles in the commandline? If so what did you use?
21:47<MichaelAllison>it renders all installation methods other than expert worthless, for one
21:47<MichaelAllison>bread: I haven't, but I'd use nano and format it later when I got to a proper office suite
21:47<rpetre>breadtk: vim!
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21:48<MichaelAllison>I'm not aware of a command line text editor that allows you to format your document before you print it so that it would be acceptable to your instructor
21:48<MichaelAllison>or boss, or what have you
21:48<flaccid>MichaelAllison: iirc the bsd stuff is not labeled as stable.
21:48<breadtk>rpetre/MichaelAllison: I'm wondering if there are any text editors especially made for writing
21:48<rpetre>i usually write stuff in markdown and I use a syntax file for it
21:48<MichaelAllison>flaccid: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/
21:48<ndr01d>requesting help w/nvidia driver installation...
21:49<breadtk>ndr01d: just ask your question.
21:49<flaccid>MichaelAllison: yeah i know. i'm not happy with that either. its not what was said before release
21:49<nevyn>MichaelAllison: ummm troff/latex/etc
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21:50<MichaelAllison>nevym: spacing?
21:50<MichaelAllison>I don't have experience with it, to be honest
21:50<rpetre>breadtk: i usually write what i have in mind in pure text and worry about formatting afterwards. a visual (wysiwyg) word processor gets in the way of writing
21:50<flaccid>MichaelAllison: how have you concluded that this bug is the issue?
21:50<babilen>MichaelAllison: aware of #debian-kbsd ?
21:51<MichaelAllison>flaccid: because I got the same error message in the same fashion
21:51<MichaelAllison>i.e. won't partition any #5 partition
21:51<ndr01d>re:squeeze install how can I install the nvidia drivers when I have a out of range pop up from my monitor before it goes blank?
21:51<MichaelAllison>babilen: thanks, man, hahaha
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21:51<breadtk>rpetre: I guess what I'm shooting for is a varient of 'BashBlogger'...to see if there are any alternatives
21:52<flaccid>MichaelAllison: ok. can you pm me exact steps for install to replicate? i'll give it a shot in a vm
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21:52<rpetre>breadtk: you mean, push stuff to wordpress or whatver from commandline?
21:52<babilen>breadtk: vim+XeLaTeX(+linux-libertine) for thesis,essays,publications,letters ... ikiwiki as personal wiki and website (within vim)
21:52<breadtk>rpetre: Not necessarily... but if it did something like that it would be nice :)
21:53<babilen>MichaelAllison: I understand that as a "no" then :)
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21:53<babilen>!tell MichaelAllison -about kfreebsd
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21:54<flaccid>use version control such as git, open the doc to edit, edit it and close, then commit and push
21:54<nevyn>I quite like writing ReST and then generating html/blah
21:54<breadtk>babilen: I'll check that out.
21:55<MichaelAllison>babilen: not sure I understand where you're coming from, lol
21:55<rpetre>breadtk: there's 3 parts to this: writing, formatting and publishing. the writing part can be done in any text editor, for the formatting you probably want html (either convert your text in it, or write directly if your html-fu is good enough) and publishing might be done in a variety of ways. working in command line means a lot of breaking a task in various subtasks like this
21:55<MichaelAllison>you mean the channel is for the port of debian to GNU/kFreeBSD before the stable release?
21:55<flaccid>its not a port of debian.
21:56<nevyn>MichaelAllison: debian gnu/kfreebsd is debian.
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21:56<babilen>MichaelAllison: I just meant that I understand your "thanks, man, hahaha" as "no, I haven't heard about #debian-kbsd, but would have asked there too/in the first place"
21:56<babilen>MichaelAllison: It is the channel for Debian/kfreebsd
21:57<babilen>MichaelAllison: Before and after the release ;)
21:57<rpetre>flaccid: technically it's a "debian port" like all other archs
21:57<flaccid>getting a 404 for http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-i386/ who do i report too. site says to inform the site owner but fails to say who that is
21:57<breadtk>rpetre: I was really looking for some kind of writing platform... I know about vim/emacs/nano/etc... but I was wondering if perhaps there is any kind of package that allows those editors to be wrapped over it. Thus making it much more writing friendly
21:57<MichaelAllison>oh, coolbeans-- the bot just confused me
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21:57<MichaelAllison>flaccid: yeah, I just noticed that too >.<
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21:58<rpetre>breadtk: if you need a "platform", then you most likely want some gui. console tools tend to specialize in specific bits
21:58<flaccid>rpetre: i guess it is if you encapsulate userland and kernel together. however bsd people like me consider debian a linux distro.
21:58<rpetre>flaccid: not since two days ago ;)
21:58<flaccid>breadtk: you could write such ghastly thing if you wanted to.
21:58<breadtk>rpetre: I guess platform was a bad choice of word. I just want some kind of CLI based writing utility.
21:58<flaccid>ahahahha!
21:58<breadtk>flaccid: :P
21:59<flaccid>i'll tolerate it coz its debian
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22:00<rpetre>breadtk: well, most people use generic text editors as a "writing utility" ;)
22:01<rpetre>as i said, the CLI mindset is "do one thing, and do it properly" so you may want to look for a toolchain rather than a tool
22:01<flaccid>Bug: 404 on http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-i386/ reported
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22:02<rpetre>flaccid: i guess now the fbsd users and debian users will annoy each other way more than usual :P
22:03<breadtk>Alright thanks all
22:03<flaccid>thats cool with me. deb = fav linux; bsd = fav *nix for me
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22:03<rpetre>somewhere a fbsd guru is thinking "what's with all the racket outside?"
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22:04<flaccid>i'm really happy that debian is doing free linux kernel and fbsd kernel. this eats ubuntu for breakfast and shows how bullshiz it is
22:06<rpetre>flaccid: this misplaced competitivity could be used for better purposes, but meh, it's oss, we're all free to do and think whatever we like
22:07<flaccid>yeah i don't want to compete between the two, but rather use it for what it is. as usual though as you say, people will have the standard OS wars over it
22:07*rpetre likes to naively imagine that ubuntu brings fresh people and debian teaches them technical excellence
22:07<flaccid>yeah problem is that linux to people is ubuntu
22:07<flaccid>its not good.
22:07<rpetre>or that debian to people is linux
22:07<rpetre>ha!
22:07<flaccid>well this comes back to the kernel and userland thang
22:08<flaccid>in any case, its quality not quantity
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22:08<MichaelAllison>I might get raped on this server for saying it, but to be honest, I rather think Linux Mint is a cool idea
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22:09<MichaelAllison>like, Ubuntu = bloated and buggy ... Linux Mint = bloated and functional on the least supported laptops I've installed it on
22:10<MichaelAllison>when I suggest someone try Linux and they're not "computer people," I'd really rather they not have to try and figure out ndiswrapper and/or glitchy drivers
22:10<ndr01d>how do I install the nvidia drivers before my monitor goes blank?
22:10<pipeep>I must say, ubuntu was my first distro, and brought me into the world of debian
22:10<rpetre>i have been around volunteer organizations a lot to realize that people are in it for various reasons, and trying to teach them the One True Way(tm) is usually a surefire way to get them to leave. oh, and also, your One True Way is most likely not much better than theirs anyway
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22:11<rpetre>ndr01d: ctr-alt-f1 gets you back to a console when it does?
22:11<MichaelAllison>well, choosing a Linux distro really comes down to a few things (for ordinary users) in my mind
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22:12<flaccid>in any case its trying to get a shoe to fit all
22:12<flaccid>for any OS, that doesn't work.
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22:12<ndr01d>ex chat
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22:13<MichaelAllison>package management (or lack thereof), installation/configuration time vs. functionality/speed, and random whims based on how cool you think Debian's logo is
22:13<MichaelAllison>I didn't dislike Slackware when I used it, but its lack of depency handling forced me to switch
22:14<MichaelAllison>and otherwise you're just making a decision as to whether you prefer a highly functional and fast system, or you prefer to not dedicate much time to learning how to effect a functional/fast system
22:15<MichaelAllison>kind of like choosing between managed or unmanaged programming languages?
22:15<rpetre>MichaelAllison: i've been using debian for the last 8 years or so (from around woody release, i think) and from time to time i feel embittered, try something else, and come back fast thinking "how can they live with themselves"
22:15<babilen>!ot
22:15<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
22:15<rpetre>babilen: sorry, got carried away ;)
22:15<MichaelAllison>babilen: what rpetre said
22:15*babilen just tried to read the backlog and ... well :)
22:16<babilen>but feel free to continue in -ot :)
22:16<flaccid>lol putting slackware in that convo is pretty bad. apples and oranges :)
22:16<Habstinat>Any reason I should be getting this, and is there anything I can do to fix it? (Lenny) http://pastie.org/pastes/1535777/text
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22:17<rpetre>Habstinat: dhcp3-server has been replaced with isc-dhcpd (package name from memory, so beware)
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22:18<rpetre>Habstinat: oh, sorry, misread the error. you have a hostname in your sudoers that doesn't resolve
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22:19<Habstinat>rpetre: That should have nothing to do with it, because I can do any other root task using sudo, and even though I get that error every time it still works.
22:19<rpetre>Habstinat: use an IP address instead of 'habs-desktop' in the sudoers file
22:20<rpetre>well, maybe you also have some rule that allows ALL hosts
22:20<Habstinat>rpetre: But assuming my sudo is fine and that wasn't the problem, how could I fix that?
22:20<rpetre>it's a sudo error, i can't assume it's fine :)
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22:21<rpetre>and if you mean the dhcp3-server error, look in the syslog for the specifics
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22:21<Habstinat>rpetre: I just did the same task with su and got the same error.
22:21<rpetre>(in 90% of dhcp-server errors you forgot a semicolon somewhere)
22:22<Habstinat>rpetre: Thanks. Do you know where the syslog would be?
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22:23<rpetre> /var/log/syslog , usually
22:24<rpetre>dhcpd also has a flag that syntax-checks the config file. -t or -T , i believe.
22:24<rpetre>-t is for the config
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22:28<flaccid>don't waste time with MichaelAllison he is a troll.
22:29<engine64>hello experts, i'm trying a program that will prompt for a filename and writes it to the file then open the file for reading consequently writes the file name to the screen five times. i'm looking at fscanf or scanf. Here is the code, I wonder if you can help me check http://pastebin.com/p9QqtQHC thanks!
22:29<sney>!homework
22:29<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, homework is something you should do yourself.
22:30<MichaelAllison>flaccid: kindly screw off
22:30<flaccid>reminder, don't feed trolls
22:30<MichaelAllison>don't bring arguments you instigated by not understanding the conversations of other people into unrelated channels
22:31<flaccid>that makes nearly as much sense as a george w. bush statement
22:31<MichaelAllison>your inability to read isn't my fault
22:31<sney>are you kids going to fight about it or return to on topic discussion
22:31<flaccid>nah, i'm putt MichaelAllison on ignore, have fed it too much
22:31<MichaelAllison>lol
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22:31<MichaelAllison>well, thanks for the help
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22:32<MichaelAllison>someone might want to relable the kfreebsd version of squeeze off of stable ... later
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22:34<flaccid>what is this preseed conf file needed in debconf install of kbsd?
22:34<flaccid>is there a doc on this install at all?
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22:38<flaccid>hmm i just pressed enter heh
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22:51<flaccid>well i got past the partitioner without a problem
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22:51<flaccid>so MichaelAllison would certainly either pebkac or troll
22:51<flaccid>would=was
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23:02<flaccid>yep this is working fine
23:03<flaccid>reminder to self - don't waste time on trolls
23:03<flaccid>although, boot failed in vbox which is likely a different issue
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23:05<flaccid>hmm 2nd boot is ok
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23:09<Guest536>hey, is this developer or support IRC?
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23:10<flaccid>Guest141: um maybe general chat? try a /list to find chans
23:10<Guest536>thanks
23:11<flaccid>though i'm new here, so maybe dont listen to me
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23:12<Guest536>im a budding software developer (17) and just wanted to know what debian is written in and things like that
23:13<babilen>Guest536: This is the support channel
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23:13<Guest536>ah thanks
23:13<babilen>Guest536: Debian is written in a plethora of different programming languages ....
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23:13<flaccid>Guest141: debian isn't written in anything particular as its userland plus the modified kernel. #debian-mentors if you are packaging for debian etc.
23:14<babilen>The linux kernel is written in C -- The rest uses every programming language in exeistence (maybe not brainfuck, but *a lot*)
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23:16<Guest536>ah i see, im still not compleatly sure what the distribution people do, cus i know you get the kernel and desktop environment, then all the applications on top, and slap them all together, but its got to be more complicated than that, i was wondering what most of the time is spent doing ect.
23:16<flaccid>Guest141: the simple answer, Packaging and porting
23:16<babilen>yeah
23:17<Guest536>ah, i see
23:17<babilen>!nmg
23:17<dpkg>The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper
23:17<babilen>Guest536: Have a look at ^^^ if you want to see what "packaging" is about
23:18<Guest536>^^^? sorry, i dont understand that
23:18<flaccid>^* = 'above in scroll back'
23:18<Guest536>ohh, i see, thanks
23:18<flaccid>np
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23:19<Guest536>as you can tell, im not a regular on irc's
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23:23<Guest536>right im off to sleep, its 4:00AM in england and i got college tomorrow, only web design and human computer interaction, but still, thanks for the info, night all
23:23<flaccid>cia0
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23:29<sret>how do you remove route rejected ips?
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23:32<sret>any ideas?
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23:37<rpetre>sret: you mean ip route del x.y.z.t/foo ?
23:37<sret>yes
23:37<sret>but i'd like to list the rejected hosts though before i can
23:37<rpetre>sret: look at the output of 'ip route show' and look for what route you want out
23:38<sret>sweet
23:38<sret>worked thanks rpetre
23:38<sret>so its iproute and not just route from the looks of it
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23:38<rpetre>route is the older tool
23:38<sret>right i was using route instead of ip route
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23:39<rpetre>ip is supposed to be the one to use, since it knows more tricks
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23:39<rpetre>most of stuff can be done with route too, only the syntax is different
23:40<sret>ah when you reject a host its not neceessarily blocking traffic from it like iptables is it?
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23:41<rpetre>it basically tells the routing algorithm that that particular host/network is unreachable, so don't even try to route packages
23:41<sret>meaning?
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23:41<rpetre>what's the specific route you talk about?
23:41<sret>does it block traffic or its better to use iptables here to block any and all traffic from the ip?
23:42<rpetre>it doesn't block traffic _from_ the ip, instead it doesn't send traffic _to_ it
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23:42<sret>basically i wanted to drop all dropping all traffic from a particular ip, would using ip route be better here or iptables?
23:42<sret>ohh rpetre ok so OUTBOUND
23:42<rpetre>basically yeah, only that you work with the routing decision
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23:43<rpetre>iptables filters packets before and after it
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23:43<sret>sweet
23:43<sret>thanks for clarifying dude
23:43<rpetre>routing tells the kernel which interface and host it should send the packets for a particular destination to
23:43<sret>i should use iptables then to block inbound
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23:44<rpetre>unless it's some sort of flood, it's basically the same thing
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23:44<rpetre>in the flood scenario the attacker doesn't care about returned packets anyway
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23:46<sret>yeah i was experiencing some floods/DoS
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23:47<rpetre>on the othr hand if the flood is large enough to fill your bandwidth, blocking on your side is not effective
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23:48<sret>rpetre: right
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23:48<sret>gotcha
23:48<sret>thanks
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23:51<KevinCL>hola
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23:52<kafka>has anyone gotten the gobo 2000 3g module working on debian
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23:55<ryan_>i need help :S
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