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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-02-08

---Logopened Tue Feb 08 00:00:35 2011
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00:00<kd123>hi... is there a gtkmm/gtk channel?
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00:03<dennisthetiger>Greetings! I have a working XP and Debian Lenny install (soon to be a Debian Squeeze install on a new platter), and want to configure for dual boot. dpkg doesn't seem to have any good references, and my google fu failed: I just had to repair the Windows volume bootloader. It's been a while since I did a fresh install, so this said, is there a special thing to do when I do the Squeeze install so that I can dual boot?
00:03<jello>dennisthetiger: check the errata
00:04<cjhmdm>hello, is there a gui tool for setting up encrypted LV's?
00:04<jello>dennisthetiger: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata
00:04<acu>dennisthetiger, what exactly is your problem - it boots in lenny and you do not see windows in GRUB ?
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00:06<dennisthetiger>acu: The Windows install is a fairly recent thing, and i had never added it manually - and moreover, this install was put in place back when Lenny was testng.
00:07<dennisthetiger>jello, acu: I don't know if this enters into it, but the Windows install is on an entirely separate disk from the Linux install.
00:07<acu>dennisthetiger, you still did not tell me what is your problem - can you boot in linux ?
00:07<acu>usually I install windows first
00:07<dennisthetiger>acu: ...oh. Yes, I can boot into Linux, no problem. =D
00:07<acu>then install linux
00:08<acu>if the windows is not seen in grub - there is a command grub-pc update or dpkg grub something like this
00:08<acu>!grub
00:08<dpkg>[grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. To install: "aptitude install grub grub-doc" ("aptitude install grub-legacy grub-legacy-doc" for Squeeze). To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>, <grub2>, <supergrub>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub
00:09<dennisthetiger>...wait, I think I'm recollecting. Install Windows, then install Linux - Grub usually figures it out at that point.
00:09<sney>indeed
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00:09<acu>dennisthetiger, but sometimes you may need to do an update of the grub
00:09<dennisthetiger>acu: Spotted that in jello's erratea.
00:09<dennisthetiger>I think that's considered fairly normal. =)
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00:10<acu>dennisthetiger, if you have nothing critical - reinstall everything - use squeeze - is way "modern" :)
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00:11<Maudozo>debian 6.0 kFreeBSD
00:11<Maudozo>ownz
00:11<Maudozo>:D
00:11<dennisthetiger>So it sounds like I need to 1) put the Windows install on IDE 0, 2) install Squeeze onto the SATA that has nothing on it, c) update GRUB, which now exists (in theory) on what would otherwise be /dev/hda. Correct?
00:11<acu>and by the way - why do you need XP at all ?
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00:12<dennisthetiger>acu: Legacy programs and hardware that won't handle 7. =^_^=;;
00:12<Maudozo>dennisthetiger rm -rf /*
00:12<dennisthetiger>Oh, and Google cloud print isn't there for anything but Windows at this point - and I'm running a Chromebook.
00:13<acu>dennisthetiger, it does not matter really - if you install windows first - it will be recognized - most of the time I shrink the existing XP/Windows 7 partition and install linux on the same hard disk and it works fine - but it is possible to be a bit quircky with two hard disks - one IDE and one SATA -
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00:14<dennisthetiger>acu: Any definition of quirky available?
00:14<acu>dennisthetiger, too long since I did this stuff to remember - but if newer squeeze installer and grub2 are preety good
00:15<dennisthetiger>acu: Noted. If anything, it's a case of fooling around - and in a worst case, Lenny still lives on another disk in there.
00:16<dennisthetiger>Time to idle and rewire... =D
00:17<acu>dennisthetiger, if you install linux in the same hard disk as windows is almost 100% will work - windows needs something I forgot MBR or something - usually it stays untouched and GRUB gets it
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00:17<acu>what is cloud print by google ?
00:18<flaccid>did you google that?
00:18<dennisthetiger>acu: http://www.google.com/cloudprint
00:19<dennisthetiger>Basically, remote printing via Google Chrome.
00:20<dennisthetiger>Requires WIndows at this time. Linux and Mac are in development.
00:21<sney>neat
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00:21<dennisthetiger>Looks like it could be useful. Especially if I can make it work! =D
00:22<dannyLopez>hi
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00:23<dennisthetiger>Curiousity. The installer always lands on English/US for language. Is this normal, or how does it figure it out?
00:23<nl>Hello all! Is there a way to see what audio I am using if "lspci | grep audio" is failing to provide anything?
00:24<dennisthetiger>nl: lspci doesn't even show you have an audio device?
00:24<nl>I'm not sure if I'm using ALSA, JACK, OSS (?), or something else
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00:24<dannyLopez>in this page http://ciudadblanca.com/gama/chat/index.php show me missing plugin
00:24<nl>dennisthetiger; it reurns nothing, not that it shows I don't have any audio device
00:25<nl>I have module-assistant installed
00:25<acu>nl: the easiest way is to install audacity (an excellent audio editor) - and it has there preferences and you can see what device is what - you can test the microphones and you will know exactly which hw and whether is alsa or whatever -
00:26<acu>nl: I have noticed that in few laptops squeeze sacked big time with the audio - I needed a alsa-source m-a (basically compile alsa) then everything is OK -
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00:27<nl>acul thanks! This is a desktop. Installing audacity now! THanks YOU!
00:27<acu>in GNOME there is system SOUND preferences - but it sucks big time - the KDE version allows you to test it = with gnome you have to let some video or audio playing and fiddle with settings - maybe ther is some luck
00:28<cjhmdm>hello, could someone explain how to fix fonts in iceweasel? I've install msttcorefonts and for the most part all fonts across my system are fine, but in iceweasel they are horrible
00:29<acu>cjhmdm, I think you installed some other languages than English - that is fine - try to reinstall it - go in Synaptic Package manager and see for iceweasel different languages
00:29<nl>...basically, what I want to do; My audio works... but even with speakers cranked up to 11 on the volume knob, and VLC at 200%, it's not as loud as I want it...
00:29<nl>...I believe I recal "ALSAMIX" cli program being able to edit sound levels?
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00:30<acu>there is GNOME alsa mixer
00:30<acu>and others
00:30<cjhmdm>acu: I don't follow, my locales are set up for en_US.UTF-8 and all of my installed software have been installed as English (I don't speak any other languages ><)
00:30<acu>but in GNOME -SYSTEM- Preferences - SOUND - should allow you to see to nl
00:31<acu>cjhmdm, what do you use Lenny or Squeeze ?
00:32<cjhmdm>acu: I've tried setting iceweasel's character encoding to UTF-8, Western (ISO-8859-1), and Western (Windows-1252) but to no avail
00:32<cjhmdm>acu: squeeze
00:32*dennisthetiger considers running in screen...
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00:32<dennisthetiger>Much better!
00:32<dannyLopez>hi some body can tell me how can I hide mi Ip?
00:33<acu>cjhmdm, do a complete removal from synaptic - or an purge remove with apt-get - and reinstall iceweasel
00:33<dennisthetiger>dannyLopez: Unplug your network cable from the device connecting you to the internet, why?
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00:33<dannyLopez>neh
00:34<acu>dennisthetiger, so what did you do - is it working - did you update the grub ?
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00:34<dennisthetiger>acu: Currently doing the installation of Squeee into that SATA drive I was talking about earlier. Whether it works is yet left as an exercise.
00:35<dennisthetiger>dannyLopez: Are you trying to prevent yourself from getting attacked over the internet or something?
00:35<dannyLopez>no
00:35<dennisthetiger>dannyLopez: Well, you can't have internet without IP, and that must be publicly visible. Why do you wish to hide it?
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00:36<dannyLopez>I jus whant hide my ip
00:36<cjhmdm>acu: still the same
00:36<acu>dannyLopez, you are screwed - do you smell any smoke - your motherboard is too hot - shut down the computer
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00:36<dannyLopez>no, hide my ip in this chat
00:36<dennisthetiger>dannyLopez: Hate to say it, but you can either disconnect from the internet or live with the fact that your IP can be seen.
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00:37<syndicate>hand
00:37<dennisthetiger>dannyLopez: It is impossible to be on the internet without a visible IP address. The traffic you request must go somewhere.
00:37<syndicate>oops, sorry
00:37<cjhmdm>let me ask a different way.. how can I force iceweasel to use truetype fonts?
00:37<acu>cjhmdm, is so weird and beyond my little baby brain - I just guess that this is Iceweasel specific - you screwed something in there - but I am no expert to fix your fonts - did you do a complete removal (while Iceweasel was off ) maybe you need to logout and login or something like this to be shore
00:38<dannyLopez>but in frenode I appear "unafiliate"
00:39<dennisthetiger>dannyLopez: ...oh, that's different.
00:39<sney>oftc might have some kind of hostmasking optional
00:39<sney>join #oftc to find out what they can do
00:39<sney>hmm
00:39<sney>doesn't have +x, though
00:39<dannyLopez>this is I looking for
00:40<dennisthetiger>dannyLopez: what sney said. Also, if you are running a static IP address, see if your internet service provider offers anything about reverse DNS.
00:40<cjhmdm>acu: I doubt I screwed anything up, and it's not just web page fonts that are horrible.. all fonts in iceweasel, including my menu bars, bookmarks bar, etc share the same problem. It's not that Ican't read them, it's that they are not smooth like they should be
00:41<dannyLopez>ok joining inthis chanel
00:41<dannyLopez>:*
00:41<dannyLopez>dennisthetiger: tks
00:41<acu>cjhmdm
00:41<acu>do you use kde or gnome ?
00:41<cjhmdm>gnome
00:41<dennisthetiger>dannyLopez: No problem. =) sney's sugestion may be easier though. Good luck!
00:41<dannyLopez>ok
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00:42<acu>cjhmdm, there is in GNOME - SYSTEM - PREFERENCES- APPEARANCE and FONTS - maybe there something ?
00:42<acu>the defaul are sans 10 for all
00:43*dennisthetiger goes for a cigarette while the massive download happens in his squeeze install...
00:43<nl>Thanks all!
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00:43<acu>welcome
00:43<nl>acu, dennisthetiger; issue resolved! I <3 DEBIAN
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00:44<dannyLopez>in this page http://ciudadblanca.com/gama/chat/index.php show me missing plugin
00:44<dannyLopez>what can I do?
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00:45<acu>dannyLopez, do you use iceweasel ?
00:45<dannyLopez>no chromium
00:45<acu> you might need to install some jre
00:45<cjhmdm>acu: Ok, I think I found what I needed (setting my rendering to subpixel smoothing for LCD).. now, how can I clear my font cache w/out rebooting?
00:46<acu>cjhmdm, do not know - just logout at least :)
00:46<dannyLopez>finally jeje i only need install sun java 6 plugin
00:46<dannyLopez>epic fail
00:46<acu>do you use iceweasel ?
00:46<acu>you need to close it and restart iceweasel
00:47<dannyLopez>acu no I use chrome & chromium
00:47<acu>dannyLopez, you need to install the java from synaptic (well is better) - I do not know if you need to enable contrib non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list
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00:48<acu>I do not know for chromium - try iceweasel
00:48<acu>it is free
00:49<dannyLopez>chromium is free to
00:49<acu>it may be - but if iceweasel works :)
00:49<dannyLopez>yes thanks
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01:08<cjhmdm>does anyone know what package contains xresprobe? aptitude doesn't give me any other info aside from saying "but is referred to by another package".
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01:11<sney>cjhmdm: apt-file can tell you
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01:14<torjeh>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xresprobe&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search shows hits for the package xresprobe for sid, experimental and lenny, but not squeeze. Don't know what that means.
01:15<torjeh>You can also search the contents of packages here http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents
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01:22<jjsullivan>hello there, a quick question. I'm having a bit of a problem with squeeze LXDE. Whenver I request a package other than the ones from the installer I'm met with the prompt "Please insert a debian xfce-lxde install disc and press enter" only problem is, I use a netbook. Is there any way to get around this or should I just virtually mount the CD?
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01:28<dennisthetiger>hmm... wonder why the install just said there was an error, returned to the install packags menu, and asked to install rt2x00-source....
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01:37<dennisthetiger>OK, new install just stopped midway during package installation. The errors are rather obscure, other than that it failed after going through package lists and such after setting up gnome. What would be causing this?
01:37<dennisthetiger>To wit, i'm starting the install where it left off, and as above, it offered to install rt2x00-sources before asking what kind of packages to install.
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01:42<dennisthetiger>Feh, never mind, I can retrieve a package list later. aptitude `cat foo` for the win.
01:42<dennisthetiger>or aptitude install `cat foo` rather. =)
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01:48<dennisthetiger>Sweet, xp boots, but takes a minute to think of it. Can't remember who helped, but thanks for the pointers. =)
01:49<dennisthetiger>Now, if I can tell it to boot with a higher resolution....
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02:00<Firo>hello
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02:33<ivo_>hi guys can you help me find out, why crypttab is not working as it should
02:33<ivo_>I expect luks to unluck my md array
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02:33<ivo_>and to mount it automaticly on system boot
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02:39<kd123>does debian have a c++/gtkmm programming channel?
02:41<LotR>why would it? there isn't anything debian specific about that, is there?
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02:46<Dennis_2>Watching my Lenny install do an update of 1800+ packages. sources.list still points explicitly at lenny (as opposed to 'stable'. Also caught wind on the website of the last general update to Lenny - but really? 1800+ packages? Was it that major?
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02:49<HamishB>Hi, just running through a squeeze install with a RAID0 setup. When specifying fs type ext4 in the installer's partitioning step it asked for blocksize: 4k, 1mb, or 4mb. AFAIU ext4 only went up to 64kb? Anyway my use case is mostly 1 to 3 thousand 2-15gb files, latency isn't important but read/write throughput is (big time number crunching in a research lab). I chose 1mb as the middle option, not really knowing if it had to do with the max possible filesi
02:49<HamishB>ze/dirsize or large file tuning, but now if I run `dumpe2fs /dev/md1 | grep 'Block size'`it still tells me 4096!?. What exactly does selecting that 1mb blocksize option actually do? tx.
02:49<chealer>Dennis_2: no, point releases are very minor
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02:50<Dennis_2>chealer: That's what I thought, I'm just remarkably perplexed at the number of updates it wants to run. =O.o=
02:50<HamishB>Dennis_2: sure you didn't start out with a Woody system and now you are upgrading to Lenny? ;-)
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02:51<Dennis_2>HamishB: No. Never got Woody running, and the Sarge box died. =D
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02:52<Dennis_2>Besides, I think my computer would become ambulatory and subsequently run away in fear if I did that!
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02:55<Dennis_2>...mnyeh, sod it all. Gonna abort. Besides, Squeeze is sitting on the other partition, waiting for an install. =D
02:55<Arrowmaster>Dennis_2: i dont think i even have 1800 packages installed on my desktop, check `apt-cache policy` and be sure its not trying to upgrade to a different release
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02:56<Dennis_2>Wait a minute
02:56<Arrowmaster>HamishB: installer doesnt ask about ext4 blocksize afaik, it was probably asking about the raid0 stripesize
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02:57<jeffrie54>hello
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02:57<HamishB>Arrowmaster: ah, that would make a helluva lot more sense then.
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02:57<jeffrie54>grub is loading....then after some output it hangs ( new installed) now iam in repair con, what to do?
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02:59<Dennis_2>Arrowmaster: I think I found it. Returns that security and mirror.peer1.net are reading 6.0 for whatever reason. Exactly why this is the case is unclear to me - sources.list says "lenny" explicitly, and my primary is ftp.us.debian.org.
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02:59<Dennis_2>jeffrie54: What changed since you last loaded?
02:59<kd123>LotR: no I was just curious
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03:00<Dennis_2>Arrowmaster: Do you have a suggestion to fix this?
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03:01<Arrowmaster>not without looking at your exactly sources and apt-cache policy output, but im about to head off right now anyway
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03:02<Dennis_2>Arrowmaster: Aw, buggers.
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03:02<jeffrie54>Dennis_2: it is first boot after install
03:02<Dennis_2>Arrowmaster: Just as well, then. Besides, this install is gonna be wiped out in dference to a fresh squeeze install. Have a good inght
03:03<Dennis_2>jeffrie54: When you did the grub installation portion, where did you tell it to install Grub?
03:03<cjhmdm>simple question that I can't for the life of me remember how to do... how can I increase the number of workspaces (desktops) available? I thought it was done through the workspace icon on the panel but it's not ><
03:03<jeffrie54>install in master boot record
03:04<HamishB>Dennis_2: possibly a mirror you are using has a symlink to 'lenny' pointed to 'stable', and 'stable' has now moved on?
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03:04<Dennis_2>HamishB: Yeah, maybe. Not the canonical way to do it, but you want a pastebin?
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03:04<Dennis_2>jeffrie54: yes, but which disk?
03:05<Dennis_2>HamishB: I am curious as to what happened, even if I'm gonna scrap it later. =)
03:05<Dennis_2>cjhmdm: Gnome?
03:05<cjhmdm>Dennis_2: yep
03:05<Dennis_2>cjhmdm: Should be able to right-click > preferences, and change it in there.
03:06<jeffrie54>Dennis_2: i only have one hdd, it installed a swap and ext3 i think
03:06<Dennis_2>cjhmdm: Even change the geometry up a bit.
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03:06<Dennis_2>OK. What's the output you're getting when it hangs?
03:06<Dennis_2>jeffrie54: Vaguely important: are you dual booting?
03:07<jeffrie54>Dennis_2: no
03:07<cjhmdm>Dennis_2: the workspace switcher icon? I only have 2 options, "Show only current workspace" and "show all workspaces in x rows".. I've increased the 2nd option but it doesn't increase the amount of workspaces ><
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03:07<Dennis_2>cjhmdm: That's weird.
03:08<Dennis_2>jeffrie54: OK. Need the output.
03:08<jeffrie54>Dennis_2: iam in repair console last line from cat kernel.log is generic-usb k/b, that could be the problem
03:08<cjhmdm>Dennis_2: that's what I thought too
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03:08<Dennis_2>cjhmdm: You still on Lenny or did you update?
03:08<jeffrie54>Dennis_2: iam back in few mins
03:08<Dennis_2>jeffrie54: I don't think that's relevant.
03:08<cjhmdm>Dennis_2: sorry lol.. I'm on Squeeze, fresh install running Gnome
03:09<cjhmdm>(I forget to be specific sometimes)
03:09<Dennis_2>cjhmdm: Yeah, I'm on Lenny on this session here. Can't reproduce. Yet. =D
03:09<Dennis_2>cjhmdm: Might find the config file for that and hand edit.
03:10<cjhmdm>Dennis_2: yeah, I'll figure it out eventually.. I always thought I did it through the switcher but this time around, no luck ><
03:10<Dennis_2>cjhmdm: May be a new feature. Gives you what it thinks you need. =D
03:10<cjhmdm>Dennis_2: I hope it doesn't become too much like windows :P
03:11<Dennis_2>jeffrie54: One point of note - if you're examining kernel.log, your answer probably won't be in there - what does dmesg put out? Use a pastebin, please.
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03:12<cjhmdm>Dennis_2: I think I figured it out.. I'll let you know in a sec ><
03:12<Dennis_2>cjhmdm: I don't think it can be like Windows. Certainly we want it to be user friendly, but...well, there's nothing like Windows. Fortunately. =D
03:14<cjhmdm>Dennis_2: true.. I made some progress but no what I wanted.. in compiz manager, I have the option to increase number of desktops.. but it won't let me actually increase it.. strange as well ><
03:14<Dennis_2>cjhmdm: Bizarre. Not being familiar with compiz, how does it interact with gnome?
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03:15<cjhmdm>Dennis_2: last time i ran *nix desktop (usually mint or ubuntu) I've never had any issues. I don't take full advantage of it though, just small eye candy
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03:16<DennisTheTiger>Weird.
03:16<jeffrie54>Dennis_2: next problem.."nextwork is unreachable" do i have to start manually in repair con to use eth0 ?
03:16<DennisTheTiger>jeffrie54: I'm over here now. =D
03:16<jeffrie54>ah right :D
03:16<DennisTheTiger>jeffrie54: Let's back up here, I don't think you need the repair console yet.
03:17<DennisTheTiger>jeffrie54: What I need from you are going to be the errors you get on boot. Output from dmesg, anything that indicates there's a problem. The line in kernel.log about your keyboard is not relevant if you can type in the repair console - if it is the cause of the problem, then throw your keyboard out the window.
03:18<DennisTheTiger>For where to put that output, check the message from dpkg.
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03:19<jeffrie54>can i upload a screen?
03:19<jeffrie54>or how should i do this
03:19<DennisTheTiger>jeffrie54: Sure, if you have a place to put it. Woudl prefer the raw text in a pastebin though.
03:19<DennisTheTiger>jeffrie54: Just please don't paste in here - the bot will likely kick you.
03:20<jeffrie54>yea - but how should i get the raw text
03:20<jeffrie54>network dont seems to work
03:20<DennisTheTiger>You have a flash drive?
03:20<jeffrie54>yes
03:20<DennisTheTiger>Dump to there.
03:21<DennisTheTiger>Never underestimate the bandwidth of your feet and a flash drive. =D
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03:22<DennisTheTiger>jeffrie54: Out for a break, bbiab
03:22<jeffrie54>oh :/ be back in a ?
03:22<rpetre>bit :)
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03:23<jeffrie54>good i try to figure out to access the flash :/
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03:32<tcsetattr>Xfbdev wants to be setuid root. the discussion in bug#568074 says that's bad but doesn't tell clearly how to fix it otherwise. comments?
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03:35<DennisTheTiger>jeffrie54: does it show up if you do mount or lsusb?
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03:46<jeffrie54>DennisTheTiger: lsusb shows my hub and mouse
03:47<jeffrie54>but device 006 could it be "vendor is a empty line"
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03:48<jeffrie54>DennisTheTiger: after plugging it " sdb attached scsi removable disk
03:48<cjhmdm>hello again >< anyone know how to set up ssh connection shortcuts? I've done it before but forget how
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03:49<DennisTheTiger>and mount?
03:49<cjhmdm>ie if I type "ssh server1" in a terminal, it'll execute the proper ssh command for that server
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03:50<Rhapsody>Why does Music Player Daemon suddenly not have permission to write to my home directory? This only just started after upgrading to 0.16, which apparently has new and more esoteric voodoo ritual configuration options that I wasn't informed of.
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03:50<jmarsden>cjhmdm: man ssh_config and then edit ~/.ssh/config
03:50<jeffrie54>mount -t vat /dev/sdb/ /usb doenst work, and "mount" device doenst show
03:51<jeffrie54>vfat
03:51<DennisTheTiger>jeffrie54: Hate to say it, but I'm stuck. Sorry.
03:51<cjhmdm>jmarsden: thanks.. I was using man ssh ><
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03:52<Rhapsody>The exact error is "database: Can't create db file in "/home/rhapsody/.mpd": Permission denied" apparently meaning that the permission I granted it a while back is no longer sufficient and wants me to start from scratch because it wouldn't be MPD if it just worked.
03:52<jmarsden>cjhmdm: You're welcome. Incidentally, you didn't read the "SEE ALSO" section of the ssh manpage -- it lists ssh_config :)
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03:53<cjhmdm>jmarsden: guilty >< I normally don't make it to the bottom of a man page when looking something up ><
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03:56<Rhapsody>Also, no I don't remember how I got it to work last time. I have trauma-induced amnesia of all prior events surrounding MPD configuration.
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03:57<jeffrie54>how can i mount fat32 filesystem?
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03:57<mjr>mount -t vfat
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03:59<jeffrie54>mjr: that is what i was using. invalid media value (0xb9) VFS: cant find a valid fat filesystem on dev sdb
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04:00<mjr>you probably want sdb1 rather than sdb
04:00<tcsetattr>try sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 sdb4
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04:01<mjr>(1234etc = nth partition)
04:01<jeffrie54>thx sdb1 worked
04:01<tcsetattr>storage without partition table makes Baby Windows cry.
04:03<tcsetattr>never needed a partition table on FAT floppies... but for all of the successors of floppies, they want a partition table on it for some reason
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04:12<jeffrie54>dmesg > file why is it empty?
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04:13<tcsetattr>kernel developers have been talking about restricting dmesg to root, maybe they finally did it?
04:15<jeffrie54>why should they and how else can i pastebin the file?
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04:17<tcsetattr>because the kernel might say confidential things, and you can chown the file after you dmesg>file if you really need to.
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04:17<tcsetattr>besides, /var/log/kern.log has the same messages in it already if your syslogd/klogd is working.
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04:20<drone77>Rhapsody: the user set in mpd.conf needs ownership or equilavent on the directory mentioned
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04:22<drone77>Rhapsody: just a suggestion (using 0.15.12), but check the changelog between your previous and current versions if that fails
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04:30<Rhapsody>drone77: See, that's what I don't get. The user is set to "mpd", which is the same as it always was, the user still exists and has the same permissions it had before the upgrade. Now I've got a new version of mpd though, the user suddenly seems to have less permissions, despite that beinh completely impossible.
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04:38<Rhapsody>The changelog also appears to indicate that nothing relevant has changed. Which it hasn't, mpd always pulls this shit.
04:39<drone77>strange, your ~ still has the correct permissions for mpd to traverse to the .mpd directory?
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04:40<Rhapsody>Well if anything changed, then it wasn't me that changed it. Then again I woke up today and found Debian had uninstalled Flash plugin from Iceweasel overnight for absolutely no reason, so why not?
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04:42<Rhapsody>Seriously, it was just GONE. I had to uninstall and reinstall flashplugin-nonfree to get it back. So maybe my permissions have changed while I wasn't looking. I've no idea how to change them back though, because I foolishly assumed that Debian would ask me before changing trivial little things like access permissions.
04:44<drone77>err, no idea why that would occur magically
04:45<drone77>but yes first thing with mpd is check all user permissions
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04:48<Rhapsody>Well I've no idea how since I've no memory of how I did it last time or even an idea of what to look up to find out how I did it.
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04:49<drone77>Rhapsody: try this then: http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Music_Player_Daemon_HOWTO_Troubleshoot#First_run:_Non-existing_.2F_Bad_permission_daemon_files
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04:51<jeffrie54>debian hangs while booting: http://paste.debian.net/106839/
04:52<Rhapsody>Well it's not that the db file has the wrong permissions, it there there IS no db file and mpd can't create it for some reason.
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04:53<drone77>oh .mpd is your database file?
04:54<Rhapsody>Well the db file location is set to "/home/rhapsody/.mpd/mpd.db"
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04:55<Rhapsody>Right, now it seems the db file was created while I wasn't looking, but mpd still can't write to it.
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04:55<drone77>Rhapsody: i suggest you check the permissions on /home/rhapsody/.mpd (writeread, execute?) are corerect then along with /home/rhapsody (read)
04:55<drone77>sorry i have to run
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04:57<drone77>what i ended up doing was creating a new group "mpd" and setting the directory to be owned by the mpd user whilst also adding myself to the "mpd" group, seemed the easiest method for myself
04:59<Rhapsody>Yay, finally did it. chown -R on the .mpd directory seems to be what it wanted.
05:00<tcsetattr>nobody's interested in Xfbdev?
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05:03<ayaka>I have a problem about NFS server,I try yo mount to it,but can't,dmesg show svc: failed to register lockdv1 RPC service (errno 97).
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05:29<eagles0513875>hey guys quick question is a how to limited to setting up repos on the give servers? http://wiki.freegeek.org/index.php/Debian_Package_Repositories
05:29<eagles0513875>or can this be setup on ones own server
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05:35<ayaka>eagles0513875, you can add # in source.list
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05:35<eagles0513875>what do you mean
05:35<eagles0513875>i am wanting to setup my own repository
05:35<eagles0513875>im wondering if thats possible with what i linked
05:35<eagles0513875>what i have found so far it looks like they are setting up said repos on a 3rd party machine
05:36<ayaka>eagles0513875, I know ,I miss your question
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05:36<eagles0513875>http://wiki.freegeek.org/index.php/Debian_Package_Repositories <--- with this link am i able to setup my own repositories or is it restricted to the server in the example
05:37<ayaka>eagles0513875, the link is right,follow it is ok
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05:37<eagles0513875>so im not restricted to the server thats mentioned there
05:38<eagles0513875>also ayaka can i setup a repository with that on ubuntu which is a debian derivative
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05:39<ayaka>eagles0513875, your seriver' os is ubuntu,then want to make a debian repository?
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05:39<eagles0513875>ubuntu uses deb packages
05:39<ansgar>!ubuntu
05:39<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
05:40<eagles0513875>ansgar: i am aware of that thats not my question my question si would i be able to follow http://wiki.freegeek.org/index.php/Debian_Package_Repositories and set it up on ubuntu
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05:40<ansgar>eagles0513875: When you use Ubuntu, ask them.
05:40<eagles0513875>ok
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05:42<ayaka>well,I have I question,I want to compile wine 32 in AMD64 OS,but even I install libgsm0710-dev,wine still can't find it
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05:52<mattylux>buon giorno
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05:55<jeffrie54>could anyone take a look please / something with GPU at startup http://paste.debian.net/106847/
05:56<babilen>jeffrie54: squeeze?
05:56<jeffrie54>yes
05:56<babilen>!non-free sources
05:56<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
05:56<babilen>!nvidia dkms
05:56<dpkg>[nvidia dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. See also <nvidia>.
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05:57<babilen>jeffrie54: That (^^^^) will install nvidia drivers for your graphic card. Try if that fixes the problem. It might just be a problem with the nouveau ones
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06:00<babilen>jeffrie54: Let us know if you have questions or problems :)
06:00<gsimmons>babilen, jeffrie54: Use of the -legacy drivers would be required (WRT non-free nvidia) as a NV20 (GeForce 3) was detected.
06:00<jeffrie54>thanks, thats annoying. and my eth0 isnt working
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06:00<babilen>ugh
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06:01<gsimmons>babilen: Yeah, another one-liner is needed. :)
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06:01<babilen>gsimmons: Thanks for spotting that. Do you know why the nouveau ones failed?
06:01<babilen>gsimmons: I'll make that one later ...
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06:02<babilen>jeffrie54: Wait a second please. The new nvidia drivers don't support your card anymore.
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06:03<ayaka>I have a problem about NFS server,I try yo mount to it,but can't,dmesg show svc: failed to register lockdv1 RPC service (errno 97).
06:03<jeffrie54>babilen: okay
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06:05<gsimmons>babilen: No idea, they work for me with a G80. s/nvidia-dkms/nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms/ might work in jeffrie54's particular case.
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06:07<devil>jeffrie54: is firmware-linux-nonfree installed? (not 100% sure, nouveau needs it)
06:07<babilen>gsimmons: Yes, that's what i've taught dpkg. The "nvidia dkms-96xx" factoid should work, shouldn't it?
06:08<gsimmons>babilen: Not quite, some backslashes were omitted. Just a moment.
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06:08<jeffrie54>devil: how i check?
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06:10<babilen>gsimmons: really? I can't see it :-\
06:10<devil>jeffrie54:dpkg -l firmware-linux-nonfree | grep ii
06:10<devil>jeffrie54: but if you didnt install it, its not there
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06:11<jeffrie54>devil: true, its not there
06:12<babilen>devil: are you sure it contains firmware for nvidia cards?
06:12<gsimmons>babilen: Should be good, I've noticed dpkg mungling '\n' before (it previously had 'Section "Device"n\t' instead of 'Section "Device"\n\t').
06:12<devil>babilen: i am not sure, as i said above.
06:13<devil>babilen: and i never used nouveau so far, as it would be useless for us (with the many kernel updates we have)
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06:14<babilen>!nvidia dkms-96xx
06:14<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. See also <nvidia>.
06:14<babilen>jeffrie54: That ^^^ should do it :) -- But you might want to investigate as well why the nouveau drivers are not working.
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06:20<jeffrie54>tnaks
06:20<jeffrie54>thanks
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06:22<jeffrie54>now i only need to get my eth0 running.. dont know why it doesnt it was a clean install
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06:24<cjhmdm>which would be the best ipmi package to use?
06:24<devil>jeffrie54: did you see any warnings like: possiblwe firmware foo bar missing…
06:24<jeffrie54>devil: no
06:25<gsimmons>babilen: Uh, nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-dkms isn't in Squeeze. ITYM '173xx'.
06:25<babilen>arghlblargs
06:25<mjt>sigh. openipmi, freeipmi, "plain" ipmi -- forks, forks.... :)
06:25<gsimmons>:)
06:27<babilen>gsimmons: Ok, i'll revise it. How did you know that the factoid was created?
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06:28<gsimmons>babilen: /msg dpkg help factstats
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06:46<jeffrie54>i dont know why the 6.0 squeeze release of debian is really wired. how the hell do i get my network card working?
06:46<jeffrie54>"network is unreachable"
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06:47<slush>jeffrie54: did you do a netinstall?
06:48<jeffrie54>no. iam now in repair console
06:49<babilen>jeffrie54: Why a repair console? And please give "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" ( | pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" if you don't want to type it)
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06:52<LuciusMare>Hello, I am using stable squeeze, and I have problems with installing flash - I want to have the nonfree one, so I installed the "flashplugin-nonfree" package, but it doesn't appear either in iceweasel's about:plugins, or in konqueror
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06:54<jeffrie54>00:0a.0 ethernet controller [0200]: realtek seminconductor co., ltd. rtl-8169 gigabit ethernet [10ec:8169] (rev 10)
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06:55<babilen>jeffrie54: You probably need to install firmware-realtek
06:56<jeffrie54>with debian lenny i hadnt such problems
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06:56<babilen>jeffrie54: yes
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06:57<babilen>jeffrie54: Could you "modprobe -r r8169 ; modprobe 8169 ; dmesg | tail -10" and check if it is complaining about missing firmware?
06:58<jeffrie54>-r r8169 says PCI Int A diabled
06:58<LuciusMare>oh and, I am on 64-bit, and I ran update-flashplugin-nonfree --install
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06:59<babilen>LuciusMare: restarted browsers?
06:59<LuciusMare>babilen: of course
06:59<babilen>jeffrie54: and the whole command?
07:00<babilen>jeffrie54: Is it complaining about firmware?
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07:02<jeffrie54>no nithing about firm
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07:03<jeffrie54>i think with new hardware i wouldnt have such problems
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07:05<babilen>ifconfig -a lists the interface?
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07:06<jeffrie54>no only lookback and what the hell ifconfig eth0 device not found
07:06<MeglaW>then its eth1 maybe
07:06<MeglaW>what does ifconfig -a give ;)
07:07<MeglaW>jeffrie54: ah, babilen said so, try ifup. :)
07:07<MeglaW>no im fucking stupid, dont lissen to me
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07:08<Hawky>hi, anybody give me a hand understanding how pppoeconf works? Have only worked with OpenWRT so far so I am a bit confused
07:08<jeffrie54>device is gone
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07:12<MeglaW>maybe a hw fault, try resetting it in its socket
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07:12<gsimmons>Hawky: It essentially modifies pppd configuration files for PPPoE device use. What specifically are you finding confusing?
07:12<jeffrie54>i give up with that pc.. i try it on a newer one
07:12<Hawky>okay, as I said up to now i only used openwrt
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07:12<Hawky>their I only would get the package and modify in /etc/interfaces my eth1 so it would use pppoe
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07:13<Hawky>now iwth pppoeconf I can get it to accept all my personal informations but what now? In the past I had the hardware interface eth1 and wan for the configuration
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07:13<Hawky>now there is ppp0, dsl-provider and eth1 and I have no idea how this is supposed to work together
07:14<tcsetattr>after doing a dpkg -i --force-depends, how do I tell apt that the result is satisfactory and it should stop complaining and let me apt-get install other unrelated things?
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07:19<gsimmons>Hawky: pppoeconf should add a "dsl-provider" interface to /etc/network/interfaces, which you can raise via "ifup dsl-provider". This will start pppd in the background using the configuration file (sourced from /etc/ppp/peers) set at the 'provider' iface option. See http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE and ask dpkg about interfaces (/msg dpkg interfaces) for more information.
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07:21<tcsetattr>aha.. editing /var/lib/dpkg/status to remove the bogus dependency works
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07:21<jeffrie54>thx for help
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07:22<taranto>hey guys, where I can attempt to disable dhcp on the interface eth0 on startup debian?
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07:24<ayaka>how to install libmsg 32bit in 64 bit OS
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07:24<tcsetattr>disable dhcp by configuring a static address in /etc/network/interfaces
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07:25<Hawky>gsimmons: 1. Why do I need that? (This is just out of curiosity to get a better udnerstanding of this system) Why cant I definde all this in interfaces?
07:25<Hawky>2. I did this and sometimes I get a connection and sometimes it looks like I get a conenction but ping will not bring me anythere
07:25<Hawky>3. Where does pppoeconf store its firewall settings? It seems to change some but I cannot find them anywhere
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07:30<taranto>tcsetattr, im try now, but yesterday i comment all lines dhcp.. wait im back
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07:34<gsimmons>Hawky: 1. It is generally easier to maintain PPP configuration details in /etc/ppp, but you're free to have an exceedingly large "up" iface option line. 2. Verify your connection settings and consider contacting your ISP. 3. pppoeconf does not store or adjust anything related to iptables/netfilter.
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07:36<Hawky>gsimmons: are you sure about point 3? I am using webmin and before setting pppoeconf up it told me no firewall settings were set and after I used pppoeconf it told me that there are rules it does not understand
07:37<Hawky>btw, its seems to be a problem with my configurating debian as my openwrt device has no problem connecting, so no isp issue
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07:46<gsimmons>Hawky: The only case I'm aware of is if MSS clamping is requested to be used, which creates /etc/ppp/ip-{up,down}.d/0clampmss . You may not want to clamp MSS at 1452 bytes if this causes difficulties.
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07:53<Hawky>gsimmons: MSS is activated (afaik I need it to get my conenction to work, at least I have read this in every tutorial I have seen so far)
07:53<Hawky>gsimmons: So if MSS is activated special firewall settings are set? So there are they?
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08:07<lamah>which number in inittab is for non auto-login to X ?
08:08<@Ganneff>the number you setup for it. makes no difference in debian by default
08:08<lamah>i mean after default installation
08:08<@Ganneff>the number you setup for it. makes no difference in debian by default
08:08<lamah>i am asking for inittab file ?
08:08<lamah>in /etc
08:09<themill>lamah: debian doesn't run X from inittab; all runlevels are identical by default. Debian != Redhat
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08:10<lamah>themill: how can i stop autologin to X, i forgot that from a old time before... ?
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08:11<@Ganneff>by either not installing a *dm or by changing the runlevel setup
08:11<themill>!nodm
08:11<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "update-rc.d xdm stop 20 2 3 4 5" and friends will also disable the dm. echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or just hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console.
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08:12<lamah>Ganneff: what about the runlevel changing ?
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08:20<iotaka>today I updated some machine to squeeze, one one I have postfix-policyd. It has some bugs + I not use it so I chose to remove it but is not possible. Now I'm trying to use dpkg --purge --force-all postfix-policy with success. Some has an idea how to force to remove this package?
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08:28<sret>sooo
08:28<sret>morning
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08:29<piter>hi all; is there any way to install core gnome without programs like ephiphany and evolution?
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08:31<sret>yeah you could unmark those i believe during install
08:32<shaju>നായരു പിടിച്ച പുലിവാല്
08:32<sret>using synpatic, not sure in apt-get
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08:32<babilen>shaju: english please
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08:32<babilen>piter: Just install the smallest metapackage "gnome-session" and take it from there
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08:34<penny>hello?
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08:35<penny>I really need help with mounting debian on virtualbox
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08:35<piter>babilen: thanks
08:36<penny>can anybody help me?
08:36<babilen>piter: you are welcome ...
08:36<babilen>!ask
08:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
08:36<babilen>penny: ^^^
08:36<dutchfish>window balance
08:36<dutchfish>oops, sorry
08:37<penny>I tried to install linuex debian on virtualbox and the install was ok but when i run it, it gets stuck of "Loading, please wait"
08:37<penny>and it does not continue to load the SO
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08:39<babilen>SO?
08:39<penny>Operating System, sorry
08:39<babilen>don't lead your significant other please
08:39<babilen>load even :)
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08:40<penny>I'm not sure if i downloaded the correct stable release
08:40<penny>but my notebook is a athlon x2 dual core ql-65
08:40<penny>it has win7 32-bit
08:41<penny>and i downloaded the i386 debian release
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08:42<penny>I don't know why it doesn't work
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08:44<penny>hello?
08:45<penny>to be in this chat in my last hope for help
08:45<penny>is*
08:45<dutchfish>penny: it is 64 bit if i am not mistaken, so you could use amd64
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08:46<Torsten_W>in vbox i would not use 64bit
08:46<Torsten_W>so 32bit is enougth
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08:47<dutchfish>Torsten_W: ah thx, i overlooked the virtual part
08:47<Torsten_W>no problem
08:47<penny>I did use the i386 release.. that's the one that should work
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08:48<Torsten_W>penny, imho is not realy a debian problem, is a problem of virtualbox, ithink
08:48<penny>I could install it succesfully but it doesn't load at startup.. it gets to "booting the kernel" and then "loading, please wait..." and it can be on that line for hours
08:48<Torsten_W>penny, so you could ask in #vbox @ freenode
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08:49<penny>the strange thing is that i could run other SO like windows xp or vista on virtualbox but not this one
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08:49<iotaka>devil: here
08:49<penny>#vbox@freenode
08:49<DMBoyCloud>Hi all.
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08:49<Torsten_W>penny, i thinks, is a wrong setting for your vm
08:49<Torsten_W>-s
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08:50*DMBoyCloud penny hast not left the chanel.
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08:51<ulrask_>Hello, sorry to bother, I can't find the debian chinese and/or taiwan IRC channel
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08:52<dutchfish>!cn
08:52<dpkg>somebody said cn was China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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08:53<DMBoyCloud>ulrask_, Have you serched google?
08:53<ulrask_>Thank you !
08:53<ulrask_>Yes but I don't understand chinese so it's difficult
08:53<sret>when did debian squeeze enter it's freeze? in early august?
08:53<DMBoyCloud>ulrask_, So why do you want to find them?
08:54<sret>!freeze
08:54<dpkg>freeze is, like, when changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release). At the end of the freeze the release is 'stable'. Freezing is done when the <release goals> are achieved.
08:54<DMBoyCloud>ulrask_, Are you a chinese language student?
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08:54<ulrask_>http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+taiwan+irc see for yourself
08:54<gsimmons>sret: Yes (http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100806).
08:54<dutchfish>sret: August 6th, 2010
08:54<sret>so thats a bad thing or a good thing compared to some distros where their freeze time has been like maybe a year or more than debian's?
08:55<DMBoyCloud>ulrask_, Ok I will tray to help you just give me a second.
08:55<ulrask_>I had enough help already thank you all !
08:55<sret>if the frreeze time has been more than a year then your pkgs are gonna be so friggin old aren't they?
08:56<dutchfish>sret: what is your question?
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08:57<sret>a short freeze time means more up to date pkgs right?
08:57<dutchfish>sret: yes, logically
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08:57<sret>ok
08:57<devil>sret: depends on the suite you follow
08:57<sret>what suite?
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08:57<ulrask_>Debian is famous for taking stability more seriously than novelty sret, at least in the stable branch
08:58<ulrask_>That's what make it such a good system to me
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08:58<devil>sret: unstable/testing/stable/oldstable…
08:58<sret>devil: isnt that same for all distros?
08:59<sret>or rather shouldnt it be that way?
08:59<devil>sret: distros? freeze affects each suite differently
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09:00<devil>sret: like in sid we had a very reduced flow of new packages into sid. so they all piled up and rush into sid now, with evil affects.
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09:01<sret>right and sid is always going to be unstable
09:01<devil>yes
09:01<devil>thats what its called.
09:01<ulrask_>There is nothing wrong with sid being broken from time to time, sid is for people who can deal with a broken distro
09:01<ulrask_>In toy story, sid is the nasty kids that always breaks everything
09:02<sret>devil: ok i wa sjust comparing for distros in testing, their freeze time
09:02<sret>debian's is relatively short atleast for squeeze
09:02<devil>sret: 7 months is not what i call short.
09:03<devil>lenny was 8 months
09:03<koollman>sret: relative to what ? the ice age ? :)
09:03<devil>heh
09:03<babilen>hehe
09:03<sret>relative to centos 6:P
09:03<ulrask_>koollman: it still beats DN Forever
09:03<ulrask_>Or hurd
09:03<sret>they're like a year or more in freeze time
09:03<devil>sret: well, who cares about centos :S
09:03<sret>half their shit is like age old stuff, was just discussing about it in shorewall:P
09:03<sret>devil: right right:P
09:03<devil>sret: plus centos is a pure server os, iirc
09:04<koollman>ulrask_: both project actually made some updates about their future. Which is amusing, of course :)
09:04<sret>devil: still for something like shorewall they need to be atleast close to the latest like debian at .11
09:04<sret>theires is at like goddamn 4.0!
09:05<ulrask_>koollman: quite sad to me, both were one thing that still was constant throughout my life. If DN Forever is released or hurd usable I will feel quite old
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09:05<DMBoyCloud>ulrask_, I faund the chinese debian irc. but there is no one there.
09:05<sret>ok thanks
09:05<sret>:D
09:05<ml|_>judd: versions shorewall
09:05<judd>Package shorewall on i386 -- lenny: 4.0.15-1; squeeze: 4.4.11.6-3; sid: 4.4.16.1-1; wheezy: 4.4.16.1-1
09:05<ulrask_>DMBoyCloud: thank you though !
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09:06<DMBoyCloud>No problem
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09:06<ulrask_>Are you chinese by any chance ?
09:07<DMBoyCloud>Nop
09:07<sret>we did have a chinese guy awhile ago, i think dvs took him to the debian-zh channel or something
09:07<ulrask_>Anyhow, thanks all see you !
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09:11<dutchfish> /o\
09:11<sret>aerobics
09:11<sret>?
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09:12<dutchfish>sret: it was a mispost, sorry, it was ment for another channel
09:12<sret>heh
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09:23<berto>what's the problem with packages.debian.org?
09:23<berto>http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeeze&keywords=bash
09:23<themill>berto: looks perfectly fine to me
09:24<berto>it says there's no 'bash' in squeeze
09:24<berto>I can only see packages from sid
09:24<berto>works fine now
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09:27<devil>berto: someone else mentioned this on another channel
09:27<berto>devil: it seems to be fixed now, thanks
09:27<berto>:)
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09:30<ucenik01>heelo
09:30<jyes>Hi, I face issues having vservers working on a PPC architecture after upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze. vserver host start raises error: can not change context: migrate kernel feature missing and 'compat' API disabled: Function not implemented. Did anyone face the same issue?
09:30<ucenik01>nooo
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09:43*snama just discovered that debian 6 was released, upgraded some packages.
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09:46<andreiberceanu>hi
09:47<maze>hi
09:47<andreiberceanu>i installed vnstat in squeeze and trying to install vnstati doesnt work
09:48<andreiberceanu>it complains about libgdm2-noxpm conflicts
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09:48<andreiberceanu>libgd2, sorry
09:49<andreiberceanu>i find it quite strange to have conflicting packages in debian stable
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09:56<andreiberceanu>so what can i do about it?
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09:57<maze>sorry,i cant help you
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09:59<zem>since squeeze is now stable, do i have to change anything in /etc/apt/sources.list?
09:59<sret>zem: if you're upgrading fro lenny? yea
09:59<zem>nope
09:59<zem>i'm on squeeze since testing
09:59<themill>zem: do you currently have "squeeze" or "testing" in your sources.list?
09:59<zem>squezze
10:00<themill>zem: just make sure you also have a line for security.debian.org as well then
10:00<zem>just wondering if there are some mirrors in stable that are not in testing
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10:01<sret>themill: what about adding backport?
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10:01<themill>sret: you don't need to add that until you need something that is backported.
10:02<sret>themill: ok
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10:02<zem>and by that time i'll be on testing again anyway :)
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10:07<Rawnasaurus>andreiberceanu, installing libgd2-xpm shouldn't break your system. packages which depend on libgd2-noxpm should work fine with -xpm as well.
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10:28<lwithers>with the Angstrom distribution, is there a way to assign a persistent MAC address to the USB/Ethernet chip on the xM?
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10:31<Keessince1988>'hello world'
10:32<shaju>hello
10:32<shaju>'helo'
10:32<shaju>'hello'
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10:33<Keessince1988>anyone with some security tips?
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10:33<babilen>(println "Hello, Keessince1988!")
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10:33<babilen>Keessince1988: always install security updates?
10:34<Keessince1988>i have iptables, tcp wrapper, psad, fwsnort and grsecurity confured along with some other custom configurations
10:34<Keessince1988>but whats missing, updates are no problem hehe
10:35*babilen recommends http://www.dumbentia.com/pdflib/scissors.pdf
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10:36<Keessince1988>ive started the download of that pdf, im on a phone so its not very fast
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10:36<babilen>Keessince1988: Dunno, fail2ban maybe? Or icinga?
10:36<Keessince1988>fail2ban is also installed
10:37<babilen>Keessince1988: Not worth it then :) (It is a joke)
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10:37<Keessince1988>that other one is unknown to me, ill check it out, thanks!
10:38<babilen>!hardening
10:38<dpkg>To secure and harden a Debian GNU/Linux system, ask me about <securing debian> and <security>. See also <security backports>, <tracker of doom>, <d:sbd>, <grsecurity>, <exec shield>.
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10:39<babilen>Keessince1988: The "Securing Debian Manual" has a few good tips/best practices. It is worth checking out, even if some of the more "tutorial style" parts of it are a bit dated.
10:39<Keessince1988>yes with sys5config or something i disabled all services i dont need, i also run a minimal instalation
10:39<babilen>Keessince1988: Icinga is a fork of Nagios and just a beautiful server monitoring web-frontend.
10:40<babilen>Keessince1988: That is IMHO the most important step. Something that is not running/installed can not be exploited.
10:40<babilen>so, enough chit-chat -- let me know if you have a specific problem
10:40<Keessince1988>the manual is indeed a great help! i hope it will be reviewed since the release of squeeze
10:41<Keessince1988>;-) just wanted to hear some tips i didnt knew
10:42<Keessince1988>thanks for your time ;-)
10:42<Keessince1988>bye!
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10:55<Momo>hi =
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10:56<Momo>nl??
10:56<Momo>fr??
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10:58<f8l>Momo: en.
10:58<Momo>somebody fr or nl?
10:58<f8l>!tell Momo about fr
10:58<f8l>!tell Momo about nl
10:59<jyes>Momo: fr
10:59<Momo>t francais
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11:16<Bodia>Is it possible to change column width "user" in htop?
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11:25<taranto>hey guys, how many have ips in a cidr block 32 / ipv6?
11:26<taranto>./32 **
11:27<Rawnasaurus>Bodia, probably not
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11:37<daemonkeeper>taranto: Why don't you calculate on your own? IPv6 is 128 bit, so a /32 (bit hostmask) leaves 96 bit left, which makes 2^96 addresses in a /32
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11:39<taranto>daemonkeeper, ok thks
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11:40<piffey>daemonkeeper: So that apt-get update problem from yesterday must've been resolved this morning. Everything works fine now. Must've been a mirror issue. :-/
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11:41<daemonkeeper>Uhm, netmask I meant obviously, taranto. Does not change anything besides
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11:41<daemonkeeper>piffey: Ok
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11:43<will>hello
11:44<will>is it possible to filter emails by country with icedove?
11:45<daemonkeeper>Depends on what you mean "by country"
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11:46<daemonkeeper>The ccTLD?
11:46<will>such as france, england, germany, etc
11:46<daemonkeeper>I know what a country is. I wanted to know from you what your understandig of the country for a thing like an email is
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11:48<will>actually i would remove some kind of spam
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11:48<daemonkeeper>You understand there is no such thing like an origin country for an email?
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11:49<jhutchins>Geoip might be one way.
11:49<daemonkeeper>You could state the ccTLD is the origin country, or the source IP if known. Nothing would indicate a country necessarily
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11:49<tharkun>will http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.tx
11:50<jhutchins>daemonkeeper: Certain IP ranges are known to belong to certain countries.
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11:50<will>a whois request may be helpful to indicate the origin of the sender
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11:50<daemonkeeper>jhutchins: Certain companies claim certain ranges would belong to a country. There is neither a guarantee nor is that particular useful for filtering.
11:51<valdyn>daemonkeeper: not for all ips, but plenty ip ranges can be attributed to an area
11:51<jhutchins>daemonkeeper: depends on the range.
11:51<valdyn>daemonkeeper: surely not ibms ip ranges, but thats just one block..
11:51<allan>Does anyone have a work-around for the xserver-xorg-core being uninstalled in unstable? Sorry if this came up a million times but rather handicapped at 80x25 text mode here ;-)
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11:51<jhutchins>daemonkeeper: There are ranges that are known to belong to certain far-eastern countries I have no legitimate business with, I block those ranges.
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11:52<tharkun>hmm what happens if my company is registered in slovenia and my mail server is in the us or uk ?
11:52<valdyn>tharkun: that is not related
11:52<will>bad luck for you
11:52<jhutchins>It depends on your purpose. I don't worry much about mail from an IBM IP in China.
11:52<will>choose a better server
11:52<will>:-P
11:52<valdyn>tharkun: your company might have gotten an ip range from a bigger upstream vendor or *whatever*
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11:53<jhutchins>tharkun: Chances are you're legitimate.
11:53<tharkun>valdyn: yes it is indeed it makes the usefullnes of filtering by countrie a total mess
11:53<bartm>allan, maybe on the bug report?
11:53<daemonkeeper>valdyn, jhutchins: I know about GeoIP, I just doubt this would be helpful to filter out spam. Is there a plugin for Icedove anyway?
11:53<valdyn>tharkun: depends on the ip range
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11:54<daemonkeeper>And I see tharkun's argument to _be_ related to this discussion.
11:54<valdyn>daemonkeeper: i wouldnt know, i hate the idea of locking out ips
11:54<datacrusher>hello! im with a debian 6 machine, installed unrar-free but yet still cant unrar .rar files, all give me errors
11:54<datacrusher>do i have to install somethine else?
11:54<allan>bartm: I tried looking through with w3m. Did not find anything other than the ref on debian-user earlier about a package being automatically rejected
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11:55<tharkun>will: trying to filter by ip range according to some geoip you think is valid will only limit the size of the market for your product. If that is the intention then beware that you need other information to do it efectively
11:56<valdyn>geoip for my ip works perfectly anway
11:56<jhutchins>daemonkeeper: I don't use icedove, I block spam at the server.
11:56<valdyn>shows my isp, and thats a regional isp
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11:56<will>i don't sell anything i'm just a lambda user who can't bear spam from anywhere in the world
11:56<daemonkeeper>jhutchins: Likewise. But this is what will asked for :)
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11:56<jhutchins>Because of the hierarchical nature of ipv4 routing, it usually works pretty well. By no means perfect or un-avoidable.
11:56<valdyn>daemonkeeper: thats expected, unrar-free is incomplete, try unrar-nonfree
11:57<daemonkeeper>Sorry?
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11:57<valdyn>sorry too
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11:57<valdyn>datacrusher: thats expected, unrar-free is incomplete, try unrar-nonfree
11:57<daemonkeeper>Ah, never mind
11:57<tharkun>will: rbdns and some other spam related methods are a better solution
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11:58<daemonkeeper>Well, here we do agree ;)
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11:58<babilen>Hi all. Should I worry about 4kb aligned drives when creating partitions/filesystem on a 1.5TB (external) hdd? (c.f. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-4kb-sector-disks/index.html?ca=dgr-lnxw074KB-Disksdth-LX)
11:58<daemonkeeper>Or policy filtering, but I doubt this is possible on application level
11:59<valdyn>daemonkeeper: you shouldnt filter at the mail client level anyway
11:59<will>ok i'm gonna check this
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11:59<valdyn>daemonkeeper: you should filter at the mta level, if you want to filter by ip
11:59<daemonkeeper>valdyn: As I told jhutchins, I don't, will does.
11:59<valdyn>oops
11:59<daemonkeeper>valdyn: I use my own postfix + policyd-weight
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12:00<AgentC>hi
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12:00<will>well i can't see anything related to icedove
12:01<amphi>babilen: alignment has a huge impact on performance, from what I've read on the matter
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12:01<valdyn>babilen: those disks already have 4k block sizes?
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12:01<AgentC>i am going to upgrade to squezze (from lenny). can somebody guide me through possible errors ?
12:01<amphi>babilen: partition alignment, I mean
12:01<valdyn>babilen: maybe everything above 1tb does, I dont know
12:01<babilen>amphi: Yes, I read that as well. I just wanted to make sure that this is still a problem with recent tools before I start to learn more about it.
12:02<valdyn>babilen: but in that case wrong alignment can cut throughput in half anyway
12:02<allan>?
12:02<allan>help
12:02<bartm>AgentC, have you read the release notes?
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12:02<amphi>babilen: I believe you must ensure this manually, as the drives lie for 'compatibility' reasons, or at least some do
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12:03<babilen>valdyn: Yes, so I should learn about it and make sure it is handles correctly because fdisk from util-linxu 2.17.2-9 (squeeze) will in fact not align based on sectors
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12:03<allan>+i
12:03<AgentC>bartm: nope, where i find them?
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12:03<daemonkeeper>babilen: As far as I know, but I /might/ be wrong here, you must be careful with those things if you plan to use LUKS, i.e you must use a XTS cipher then
12:03<valdyn>babilen: uh?
12:03<tharkun>daemonkeeper: have you tried postfix 2.8?
12:03<valdyn>gah
12:04<valdyn>daemonkeeper: uh? unrelated
12:04<bartm>AgentC, easy to find, http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes
12:04<babilen>daemonkeeper: I use a XTS cipher already. I am just not very motivated to spend reading documentation if it turns out in the end that the issue is handled correctly by recent tools.
12:05<valdyn>babilen: its no big deal, just align the partitions, that does not lose you anything
12:05<babilen>*spend a lot of time* that is ;)
12:05<amphi>babilen: there is a lot of info on 4k alignment of partitions about, or was when I did a little research into this
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12:05<AgentC>bartm: i am going to enter ftp.us.debian.org/debian squezze main contrib non-free and security.debian.org squezze/updates to etc/apt/sources.list, then a apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade, then reboot, should that be enough ?
12:06<babilen>amphi: Yes, but I'd rather learn something else in the time. Just wanted to check if I should invest my time into this as it will indeed make a huge performance difference.
12:06<daemonkeeper>valdyn: Regarding postfix no, not yet, regarding AES-CBC: You can't use those ciphers for block sizes which are not a power of the key size, hence you are forced to XTS (but again, I'm no crypto expert)
12:06<bartm>AgentC, it's "squeeze"
12:07<AgentC>bartm: how long will that take? some hours by 6000KB/S ?
12:07<amphi>babilen: from what I gathered, it is very much worth it, and not much to learn, unless you care about detail; I found fdisk command line for this in several places
12:07<AgentC>bartm: i know, depends on my install-list
12:07<datacrusher>odd. i cant enable the checkbox for the non-free repos in my synaptic
12:07<amphi>babilen: a practical howto is brief, the whys and wherefores are the long part
12:07<datacrusher>im on debian 6 64
12:07<bartm>AgentC, and no, it's not enough, see the release notes
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12:08<babilen>amphi: Ok, I'll try other channels as well. And will dig into it. Thanks for the comments so far. If you "stumble" over a good one don't hesitate to let me know.
12:08<AgentC>bartm: thanks, i'll take a look
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12:20<asif>Hi all . is docky available in Debian repos . I am using debian 5
12:20<daemonkeeper>judd: versions docky
12:20<AgentC>bartm: i will try, seems to be ok, but out of non-knowledge by me, i am not sure. i read the notes, seems to be ok
12:20<judd>Package docky on i386 -- sid: 2.0.6-2; squeeze: 2.0.6-2; wheezy: 2.0.6-2; experimental: 2.0.11-1
12:20<daemonkeeper>that one?
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12:23<amphi>babilen: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-4kb-sector-disks/index.html is still lurking in my session
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12:24<AgentC>bartm: upgrade will need to download 498MB packages. i am praying ;-)
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12:24<asif>is there any other way I can install Mac os X style dock in debian 5
12:25<amphi>asif: there are things like cairo-dock that are something like that, I believe
12:25<AgentC>is it neccessary to to the apt-get dist-upgrade after the normal upgrade ?
12:26<amphi>asif: any reason not to run debian 6, BTW?
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12:26<babilen>amphi: Look at my original post ;)
12:27<babilen>amphi: But thank you -- it is indeed good :)
12:27<asif>I am waiting for a stable release
12:27<daemonkeeper>asif: Squeeze is
12:27<themill>asif: squeeze (6.0) *is* the stable release
12:27<amphi>asif: how much longer were you proposing to wait? ;)
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12:28<asif>you mean it is officially "stable" release..???
12:28<zem>read the topic?
12:28<amphi>babilen: haha, I missed that
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12:29<babilen>no problem
12:30<AgentC>babilen: i did understood a little bit more of libosip and libexosip , really difficult for beginners, but i think, i get it work.
12:30<babilen>AgentC: wut?
12:30<babilen>ah... SIP something
12:30<asif>OMG I just visited the website . Squeeze is out . nice . atleast website looks good now
12:31<AgentC>babilen: thank you for the support i got through your help, in any case my source is able to let my telephone rings ;-) nothing more, but a beginning :-)
12:32<babilen>wonderful
12:33<asif>what desktop Squeeze uses as default
12:33<bartm>asif, gnome
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12:34<asif>nice .I am really excited . Is it a live CD
12:34<daemonkeeper>There is a Live CD too
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12:35<asif>can that live CD be installed as well
12:35<daemonkeeper>I think there is a hybrid live Cd
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12:35<asif>what is that
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12:35<daemonkeeper>One suiting for both purposes: being a diskless Linux and for installation to disk
12:36<asif>and why it is using FreeBSD kernel...???
12:36<daemonkeeper>Its not.
12:36<daemonkeeper>There is branch available using FreeBSD
12:36<asif>it says kbsd
12:36<daemonkeeper>!kfreebsd
12:36<dpkg>Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net.
12:37<daemonkeeper>Its a branch, you can go with i386/AMD64 as usual with a Linux kernel
12:38<asif>so technically kbsd version would not be called Linux
12:38<daemonkeeper>Neither practically
12:38<asif>how mature BSD kernel is
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12:38<daemonkeeper>Read dpkg's hint
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12:39<daemonkeeper>Its a technology preview, pretty mature but some things are missing.
12:39<daemonkeeper>Especially for desktops
12:40<asif>this should not be the case . as they both might be using same userland
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12:40<marcot>Is there a way to download a package (.deb) in the NEW queue?
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12:41<daemonkeeper>marcot: There might be a reason it not yet entered Debian.
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12:45<asif>what is the difference between debian gnu/linux and debian gnu/kbsd
12:45<daemonkeeper>I explained you right before.
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12:46<asif>I understand the kernel but as they both use same userland the difference might not be visible
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12:47<daemonkeeper>Well, somewhat. Obviously differences occur as soon as you begin to interact with the kernel
12:47<daemonkeeper>Think of module handling, iptables/pf resp, filesystems, device drivers
12:47<asif>but all that stuff is not visible
12:48<daemonkeeper>Feel free to experience on your own.
12:48<daemonkeeper>+gain
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12:49<asif>Well i want to give bsd a try . its ridiculously stable
12:49<asif>i use it in all the servers in my office
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12:51<dominick>Hi! When I uncomment the volatile repos in /etc/apt/sources.list and "aptitude update", this is what I get: http://paste.debian.net/106920/. How do I fix it?
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12:52<themill>dominick: can you pastebin your entire sources.list for us?
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12:54<dominick>themill: http://paste.debian.net/106922/
12:54<themill>dominick: line 13 is missing the "http"
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12:55<dominick>themill: works fine now!
12:55<themill>dominick: were those volatile lines exactly as added by the squeeze installer?
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12:56<dominick>themill: yes. It's a fresh installation.
12:57<dominick>themill: now I get 404 errors: http://paste.debian.net/106923/
12:57<ballison>anyone else notice that when you cut and paste a command into a bash session it does NOT show up in your history?
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12:57<ballison>i've been noticing this for a couple months now. very odd behavior
12:57<themill>ballison: commands starting with a space are ignored in history
12:58<ballison>themill: ah that must be it
12:58<ballison>i was wondering why i couldn't up arrow to them
12:58*AgentC say ups. 2GB download for dist-upgrade on squeeze?! ups. :=)
12:58<ballison>themill: how do i disable that? it's super annoying.
12:59<themill>dominick: that's because that entry for volatile isn't correct for squeeze. Are you *sure* that entry was created by the installer? It's wrong on several levels and doesn't match what the installer created for me when I tried it out earlier today.
12:59<themill>ballison: nfc. #bash either here or on freenode might know
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13:00<dominick>themill: I'm sure. I only added the non-free sources and have only uncommented the volatiles.
13:01<dominick>themill: should I be reporting a bug?
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13:03<ballison>themill: Solved. --> export HISTCONTROL=""
13:03<themill>:)
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13:05<dominick>themill: can you please share the correct volatile repos with me!
13:05<themill>dominick: /msg dpkg squeeze volatile
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13:05<bartm>dominick, volatile does not exist for squeeze
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13:06<xinkill>Goodday all
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13:08<kop>I'm running lenny and using the balsa gui email client. It's supposed to be able to spell check but is reporting every word misspelled. It wants aspell|ispell installed, and aspell is installed and the aspell-en dictionary. Nothing leaps out of bugs.debian.org. How should I debug this?
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13:09<kop>Should I try re-installing balsa?
13:10<bartm>kop, sounds like a bug worth reporting in the bts
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13:10<kop>bartm: Yes... I've run it on another box forever and it works fine.
13:10<andreiberceanu>hi, does anyone have an mpd server set up?
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13:11<bartm>kop, compare versions of related packages
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13:11<kop>bartm: related?
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13:11<bartm>kop, balsa, aspell, ispell, ...
13:11<kop>!tell andreiberceanu about somebody
13:11<bartm>andreiberceanu, mpd?
13:11<kop>!tell andreiberceanu about anybody
13:12<kop>bartm: Oughta be the same....
13:12<andreiberceanu>music player daemon
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13:13<andreiberceanu>ah nevermind this is probably not the right place to ask, i see they have their own channel on freenode
13:13<andreiberceanu>tnx anyway
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13:18<xinkill>Anyone here who could give me a guideline on how one installs patched on debian?
13:19<AgentC>on upgrading from lenny to squeeze is there anything else to do after the dist-upgrade command before the final reboot comes ?
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13:19<Skyrail>I've (re)installed proftpd using aptitude but dpkg doesn't seem to recognise that it's installed, 'dpkg -l proftpd' gives 'un' in the first two columns. Aren't the locally installed package databases connected between aptitude/dpkg (aptitude uses dpkg right?)
13:19<xinkill>Found an related bugpost about vlc and they suggest a suitable patch but I have no idea on how to install that thing.
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13:19<bartm>AgentC, have you read the release notes?
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13:20<AgentC>bartm: yes
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13:21*AgentC assumes, bartm is a bot
13:21<zibi>my microfon dosen't work. Exacty works because I have echo from speekers but can't record it. Someone may can help?
13:21<themill>AgentC: the release notes don't actually mention rebooting after the dist-upgrade, do they?
13:21<Arrowmaster>xinkill: you would have to compile vlc from source after applying the patch to the source
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13:22<AgentC>themill; no, but's better in case of custom installed software on my sys
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13:23<AgentC>themill: in case of libs connected with custom-apps which are compiled.
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13:24<AgentC>themill: and in case of kernel-upgrade it is neccessary!!
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13:24<bartm>AgentC, true
13:25<themill>AgentC: you should already have done that and rebooted into the new kernel
13:25<xinkill>@arrowmaster: So if I use the official debian packages I dont have the option to do the patch thingy?
13:25<Arrowmaster>no
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13:25<xinkill>I see
13:26<AgentC>themill: dist-upgrades countdown: 43min ... i'm going to shopping for that while ;)
13:26<bartm>xinkill, where is that patch? it's probably a patch for the source code, so that would require rebuilding the binary package from the source package. Are you familiar with that? (I guess not)
13:26<xinkill>I'm not
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13:26<xinkill>The patch can be found here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=536615
13:27<AgentC>themill: maybe, we could talk later, i'll give you an expirience report.
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13:27*AgentC thanks anyway for great help in this channel!
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13:28<kop>My problem with balsa might be that hebrew is "installed". I tried dpkg-reconfigure locales and that does not seem to help. How can I take "hebrew" off the system? (The message balsa comes up with is: "Hspell: can't open /usr/share/hspell/hebrew.wgz.sizes.")
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13:28<kop>And hspell is not installed.
13:29<bartm>kop, maybe reinstalling it could help?
13:30<kop>bartm: hspell?
13:30<kop>bartm: It sounds like some stupid gnome thing, where it's remembering that hebrew was once installed.
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13:31*AgentC assumes, bartm is not a bot ;-)
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13:31<bartm>AgentC, who knows :)
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13:31<themill>bartm: bot
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13:31<themill>nah... too laggy
13:31<themill>dpkg: bot
13:31<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
13:31<bartm>themill, thank you for eliminating any remaining doubt about that :)
13:31<themill>see!
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13:32<AgentC>bartm: smile :) just out the reason i saw same answer twince.
13:32<kop>I'll probably worry about it if it persists after upgrading to squeeze.
13:32<bartm>AgentC, I guess the same answer (in fact a question) applied twice
13:33<AgentC>bartm: ok, sorry for assuming ;=) sometimes i also bot in that case ;) *smile*
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13:34<AgentC>bartm: is there a different in case of gnome-GUI between lenny and squeeze?
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13:35<magy>hello
13:35<AgentC>magy: hi
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13:35<magy>im looking for xorg related support
13:35<valdyn>!tell magy -about ask
13:35<rss>magy: what is your problem?
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13:36<magy>oh my god you guys have nothing better to do?
13:36<magy>:D
13:37<themill>dominick: no need to report that volatile entry as a bug; it's already known will hopefully be fixed for 6.0.1; it only affects people who do an install where there is no network available at the time.
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13:37<rss>magy: what is you X related problem?
13:38<magy>im having trouble setting 85Hz refresh rate on my sony trinitron 200sf
13:38<bartm>themill, sounds like something for squeeze-updates :)
13:38<themill>hehe
13:38<magy>i was just trying for about an hour the modeline xorg.conf crap
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13:39<rss>magy: sorry, I cannot help you there. I have been using 60Hz LVDS om TMDS panels for 8 years now.
13:39<amphi>magy: does xrandr list it as a possible setting?
13:39<magy>no
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13:39<magy>i know that it is an old monitor
13:40<magy>im planning to buy a new one
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13:40<rss>magy: somting with a modeline on xorg.conf should work
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13:40<valdyn>magy: X will usually do this fine, except when it cannot know your monitors capabilities
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13:40<magy>rss: yeah i tried that
13:40<valdyn>magy: so look which capabilities its assuming
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13:41<magy>im trying to set 1024x768@85Hz, the refresh i normally use under windows
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13:42<valdyn>magy: its all in /var/log/Xorg.0.log. everything, the assumed capabilities, the tried modes, the reason why any mode cant be used
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13:43<rss>magy: X will try to start with a modeline. Getting the right one for an old monitor is tricky. There should still bet lots of docs about that tell you wich modeline to use for a specific reolution. Always remember horizontal and vertical refresh rates achievable by video card and acceptable to monitor apply.
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13:44<rss>magy: regarding the res: check on websites what horizontal and vertical clock ranges are for your monitor
13:44<magy>rss: i have them set in xorg.conf
13:44<magy>rss: before that, i was stuck at 60Hz hurting my eyes, now i have at least 75Hz
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13:44<rss>magy: what valdyn said. check xserver log. It will tell you what it tries
13:45<magy>rss: i'll check it
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13:46<noodleking>hi
13:46<rss>magy: some video drivers refuse to drive the video clock at specific combinations of hrez + vrez clocks. Again find the possible ranges for you monitor first. Also check your video cards specs for hrez / vrez clocks
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13:47<noodleking>I've recently installed Debian (squeeze) after testing out Ubuntu for a few months.
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13:47<bartm>noodleking, and the conclusion is...?
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13:48<magy>rss: i think it can be a video card problem
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13:48<noodleking>the conclusion is that I should form better sentences for intros in chatrooms
13:48<bartm>hehe
13:48<noodleking>other than that, I'm liking both Debian and Ubuntu
13:48<noodleking>:)
13:48<rss>magy: that is possible. what video card are you using and which driver?
13:48<magy>rss: what do you think about the free nvidia driver?
13:48<bartm>ok you may stay noodleking :)
13:48<noodleking>thank you :)
13:48<magy>rss: is it worth my time?
13:49<magy>rss: i mean that nouveau thing or what is it called
13:50<rss>magy: I have been running ati free drivers no nvidia om my laptops. the new nouveau driver should work.
13:50<magy>rss: thanks for advices, have to ho
13:50<magy>go
13:50<rss>magy: if you are using a vesa driver im may restrict you to clock modes that the nvidia card cannot support. switch to fb driver or nvidia specific drivers
13:51<magy>im using nvidia drivers
13:51<rss>magy: closed souce or open
13:51<magy>closed
13:51<valdyn>magy: im sure your issue has not a thing to do with the driver being used
13:51<rss>try nuveau. ymmv
13:51<magy>valdyn: why do you say that?
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13:52<valdyn>magy: because i know?
13:52<magy>:)
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13:52<noodleking>I see an option in the Applications menu called "Theme Installer", but everytime I try to start it, nothing happens.
13:52<valdyn>magy: nouveau might be ok for nvidia cards that do not get noisy without power management - nouveau supports no pm
13:52<valdyn>magy: same for the nv driver afaik
13:53<noodleking>my system motions as if it's going to do something, the wait-icon takes over from my mouse pointer and ... nothing.
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13:53<rss>magy, valdyn: i cannot get my LVDS panel to support 1920x1200 mode with fbdev on console because the vesa modes available to not have such a mode. kernel framebuffer has no problem ther.
13:53<valdyn>rss: sure, but thats vesa
13:53<magy>valdyn: that is one of the reasons why im using windows on my workstation, i have to pay for the electricity
13:54<valdyn>magy: uh?
13:54<noodleking>is this a known issue? am I missing something re Theme Installer?
13:54<valdyn>magy: and youre using a free driver on windows?
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13:54<magy>valdyn: missing power management under linux is bad
13:54<valdyn>magy: if anything windows pm is *worse* than linux
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13:55<rss>magy: use the pastebin an show us your xorg.log. it may give hints you are overlooking.
13:55<magy>hmm, ok
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13:57<magy>http://pastebin.com/VX0HXwmE
13:58<magy>and xorg.conf
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13:58<magy>http://pastebin.com/nnv0LxBn
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14:01<Skyrail>I'm trying to locate the IP for a server that's down and I've not got any control over the domain name, however I've had a thought that maybe I can find the hostname/IP pair can be found in the DNS cache of another server that accesses it using its hostname, is it possible to view the cache and view the pairing or is it a silly idea?
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14:02<rss>magy: why does you modes section refer to the 1024x768 instead of to you 1024x768_85
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14:03<magy>rss: in screen section?
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14:04<rss>magy: yes
14:04<magy>that can be it
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14:05<rss>magy: hold let me check mine
14:05<edward>hello
14:05<edward>Can anyone help me with a little problem? >_<
14:06<streuner_>just ask
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14:07<rss>magy: mine saye modes 3200 1200. that means no quoted an just horizontal virtual resolution and vertical resolution
14:07<rss>magy: try "Modes 1024 768"
14:07<edward>I have a nvidia video card
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14:08<edward>Installed debian 6.0.0 had 3d acceleration with nouveau
14:08<edward>but that is slow in some games so I want to install the normal 3d driver
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14:08<edward>I installed the "nvidia-glx" package
14:08<streuner_>dpkg, nvidia
14:08<dpkg>Install <nouveau> or the appropriate <dkms> package for your card - ask me about <nvidia dkms> <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx> - and configure it in <xorg.conf.d>. Ask about <nvidia lenny> for <oldstable> procedures. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
14:09<edward>I installed that package
14:09<magy>rss: tried Modes "1024x768_85.00"
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14:09<rss>magy: did it work
14:09<babilen>edward: which card to you have? "lspci -nn|grep -i vga"
14:09<edward>but it doesn't work, resolution is messed up. And then I tried to install straight from the site
14:09<magy>rss: rebooted, didn't help :(
14:10<rss>magy: did you try Modes 1024 768
14:10<edward>but I didn't know that wasn't supported. Now I don't know how to switch back to nouveau either. I have a 512 MB DDR 3 GTS 250
14:10<babilen>edward: You installed directly from nvidia? (i.e. with the nvidia-installer script)
14:10<streuner_>edward: normal means of nvidia.com? right?
14:11<magy>rss: trying now
14:11<edward>I tried too
14:11<babilen>edward: tried what?
14:11<edward>first it complained I had to install binutils
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14:11<edward>install directly from nvidia
14:11<edward>then it complained I didn't have gcc so installed build-essential
14:12<babilen>edward: Ok, you *have* to get rid of everyhting related/installed/changed by that script (ask #nvidia on irc.freenode.net) and run:
14:12<edward>and now it won't work because the compiler version on my system doesn't match the one with which the kernel is compiled, apparently
14:12<babilen>!nvidia dkms
14:12<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
14:12<babilen>edward: That ^^^ one liner will make it work
14:12<chealer>!tell edward about enter
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14:13<edward>okay it didn't modify anything yet probably since it didn't start
14:13<edward>will try what you said
14:13<edward>but now we have dinner
14:13<edward>thanx, later ^^
14:13<babilen>edward: yay! we have dinner :)
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14:14<jdw>Squeeze, three monitors, ati 5450, VGA one is completely orange/messed up colors, X dies when trying to rotate screens, any pointers?
14:14<magy>rss: without quotes "" X didn't start, with Modes "1024 768" its the same (75Hz)
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14:15<wiward>buenas
14:15<wiward>alguien me puede contestar a una pregunta?
14:16<wiward>esk tengo una duda
14:16<streuner_>!es
14:16<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:16<magy>rss: now with Modes "1024x768_85.00" its still at 75Hz
14:16<rss>magy: OK, I'm out of my depth then. Sorry I couldn't be of more assistance. I'm using sid radeon multiscreen lcd panels.
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14:16<magy>rss: thanks anyway
14:16<magy>rss: i'll have to buy a new panel
14:17<magy>;)))
14:17<rss>magy: You're welcome :)
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14:17<magy>rss: i'm looking for a cheap 26'' with LED display
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14:18<magy>rss: that should solve the problem
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14:18<rss>guys, I will AFK for 15min. Need to go buy more beer. Stil recovering from belgian beer overdose at FOSDEM ;)
14:18<magy>SO stuck here with the 75Hz refresh, BUT this won't stop me from using Debian!
14:19<xinkill>Anyone here who has a problem with vlc not disabling the screensaver?
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14:21<xinkill>Running squeeze
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14:27<lapfrog>xinkill, i think so yeah
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14:27<lapfrog>xinkill, that's just how it behaves, i guess
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14:29<xinkill>lapfrog: I thought vlc would override the screensaver?
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14:29<xinkill>Even with the option disable screensaver it still shows up
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14:31<lapfrog>sucky :>
14:31<lapfrog>try totem
14:31<retrospectacus>probably powersave then, not screensaver
14:31<jordanm>xinkill: it does on my system
14:31<retrospectacus>!blanking
14:31<dpkg>[screen blanking] you can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via "xset -dpms", xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls. If the console-tools package is installed, permanent console blanking adjustments can be made by editing /etc/console-tools/config.
14:32<xinkill>jordanm: Running squeeze?
14:32<jordanm>yes
14:32<retrospectacus>xinkill: use xset -dpms to disable X power-saving
14:32<jhutchins>Actually ... nwn appears to have a free-to-download linux client.
14:33<jordanm>jhutchins: its just a launcher, still requires you copy files over from the original CD
14:33<jhutchins>Erg. Sorry, thought I was in a different channel.
14:33<jordanm>or a torrent of the original CD, if you lost your original 10 years ago :)
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14:34<xinkill>retrospectacus: That could be the thing however according to the gnome powermanagement preferences this is set to 1 hour, the screen goes blank after 5 minutes.
14:35<lapfrog>maybe the movie you're watching is about screensavers
14:36<xinkill>lol
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14:36<bartm>what does the s in schroot stand for ?
14:36<xinkill>Well its not only affecting me, but my brother also
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14:39<rss>back from shops
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14:40<AgentC>rss: cheers
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14:40<rss>AgentC: thanks!
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14:41<AgentC>rss: r u using squeeze?
14:41<magy>anyone here tried the e17 yet?
14:41<Torsten_W>!anyone
14:41<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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14:41<rss>AgentC: No, I run sid.
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14:42<rss>magy: i run e17
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14:42<magy>rss: congrats man
14:42<magy>rss: got any usable howto link?
14:42<rss>AgentC: Why do you ask?
14:43<rss>magy: googl easy_e17.sh
14:44<magy>rss: you think it will run on squeeze?
14:44<AgentC>rss: on lenny i had probs with osip and exosip lib/dev out of version conflicts, the osip new deb package works but aptitude wants to deinstall it when installing something else, currently i am triing to upgrade to squeeze, i hope that this prob is solved there, when not, what could i do to supress the aptitude deinstall bug?
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14:44<AgentC>rss: lenny pack of osip is an older version then i need to use.
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14:45<rss>AgentC: in aptitude using = will hold a package. you have to do this every run though.
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14:46<rss>magy: yes it will run. you need a compiler an a ton of lib-dev installed but the website for easy_e17 should point the way
14:46<javentis>i was trying to chroot to sda13 and get " cp: not writing through dangling symlink `/media/sda13/etc/resolv.conf'"
14:47<javentis>so i guess i cant chroot there if im correct
14:47<AgentC>rss: ok, the exosip-dev pack of lenny is ok, but the newer lib version makes depencies causes aptitude to deinstall all of them. is there a way to excluse that packages from depencies?
14:47<magy>rss: im trying the script right now
14:48<AgentC>btw, how can i check the upgrade to squeeze was success?
14:48*frewo64 is back.
14:48<zeus_>Hi all, i've this line in /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile squeeze/volatile main contrib non-free". when i "aptitude update" it tolds me "Not Found [IP: 130.89.149.227 80]". What's wrong ?
14:49<rss>AgentC: You could always try pinning a package. I have no experience with that though. I always reinstall a package if it is removed without my sayso. dpkg -i package.deb. I have plenty experience with that. So far it has worked for me. Upgrade to squeeze is my advice. Read the release notes first though.
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14:49<xinkill>retrospectacus: Just tried the xset -dpms and that has no effect.
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14:50<rss>AgentC: uname -a should say debian 6.00 somewhere. also if you upgrade and apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade and it has nothing new then welcome to squeeze
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14:51<AgentC>rss: only for say, it is not a problem running this newer packages, but if they are installed, the updatemanager (within gnome) does not work cause aptitude find these depency problems until they are uninstalled.
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14:52*AgentC 's upgrade still running since 1:30 hours
14:52<gaussianerror>AgentC: you can also try cat /etc/debian_version if you wanna check which version you're running
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14:53<rss>AgentC: I do not use gnome and always manually update in a console using apt-get or aptitude. To be fair I only use aptitude to look for possible breakages. I never updte automatically
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14:53<AgentC>gaussianerror: i'll try when upgrade is complete. :-)
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14:54<AgentC>rss: no, not automaticly updated in that way, i get a warning message before ;)
14:54<jhutchins>AgentC: The GUI wrapper uses aptitude iirc, which goes into an infinite loop calculating the dependencies of gnome when you try to upgrade to squeeze.
14:54<rss>AgentC: I meant, i naver update automagically with aptitude.
14:55<retrospectacus>xinkill, try changing some things in /etc/console-tools/config
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14:56<AgentC>jhutchins: does that mean, it was better/faster to shutdown gnome before upgrade ? it's runnning while upgrade without any tasks
14:56<rss>AgentC: I wonder why the update is taking so long? Do you have a slow line? Is the mirror you are using one that is overloaded? try another mirror. Oops, you are already ugrading. ARe you still in download phase?
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14:57*AgentC 's line is 6000 kbit/s
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14:58<rss>AgentC: speed is good for the line what is your dl from the mirror?
14:58<AgentC>rss: no, download phase is over, it is preparing in dist-upgrade
14:58<rss>AgentC: OK ignore my last comment
14:58<AgentC>rss: i setted up a us mirror, but it is fast enough.
14:59<jhutchins>AgentC: Looks like you lucked out. My theory about synaptic is probably false.
14:59<rss>AgentC: download is over. you should now be limited to speed of your hardware. Processor and harddisk
15:00<jhutchins>RAM
15:00<AgentC>rss: dual-core 3.2g sata
15:00<xinkill>retrospectacus: Why? It's not the console that's the problem.
15:00*AgentC 's ram is 2048 mb
15:00<rss>AgentC: that is a long time what does top say?
15:00<bartm>AgentC, and your pc's ? :)
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15:01<AgentC>jhutchins: i could stop apache2 to speedup
15:01<AgentC>mom
15:01<rss>AgentC: why stop apache?
15:01<AgentC>:)
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15:02<magy>rss: man, that easy_e17 script locked up ;)
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15:02<magy>- searching for direct source url for 'exchange' ...
15:02<rss>magy: how so? stopped on dl?
15:02<retrospectacus>xinkill, something to try? You are using the screenbuffer
15:03<xinkill>Ah, I see
15:03<magy>rss: i think it cant find a source
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15:03*AgentC 's cpu usage: ~40-50% mem: 441mb of 2048, swap=1,4mb network: <1%
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15:04<AgentC>rss: i see, apache is not in need of cpu time
15:04<rss>magy: It can take a long time. It may be searrching an svn tree for you the files it needs. Get worried if 30minutes have passed. unless you get an error messae
15:04<magy>rss: 30 minutes?!?!?
15:04<magy>ok im patient.
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15:05<AgentC>bartm: hehe, the 3.2g dual is my server ;) the client 1.8g ... ;=) nothing new, but for media is enough, when not running 3d games ;)
15:05<rss>magy: yes 30 min
15:06<rss>magy: ther are alot of package in the tree for it to scan. Also the release of EFL 1.0 has loaded the servers. I have noticed that they appear unreachable at times.
15:06<AgentC>btw: is there any electronic software out like "protel" with autorouting for platines-layout etc. ? maybe also with circuit-test-support for linux ?
15:07<AgentC>such industrial software i only saw on windows, called protel.
15:07<rss>AgentC: regarding protel, no idea.
15:09<rss>AgentC: top show you system is doing something. go with the flow. be patient
15:09<amphi>AgentC: you could search freshmeat perhaps
15:10*AgentC was getting a warning window : networkmanager cannot proceed, quiting
15:10<rss>AgentC: what amphi said
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15:10*amphi whispers wicd to AgentC
15:10<rss>AgentC: that means network manager cannot configure your networks
15:11<rss>AgentC: what amphi said again wicd
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15:11<zeus_> i've this line in /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile squeeze/volatile main contrib non-free". when i "aptitude update" it tolds me "Not Found [IP: 130.89.149.227 80]". What's wrong ?
15:11<AgentC>zeus_: just moment
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15:12<magy>rss: there is very few information regarding this easy_e17 script on the website
15:12<rss>zeus_: maybe debian volatile for squeeze is not yet up it was only release 2 days ago
15:12<retrospectacus>!squeeze volatile
15:12<dpkg>The Debian <Volatile> archive is discontinued starting from Debian 6.0, replaced by the squeeze-updates suite on official mirrors. Your squeeze sources.list could have "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free". http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/2011/msg00000.html . Not to be confused with <squeeze/updates>, ask me about <security>.
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15:13<rss>magy: you need a full X dev build environment. including the libs-dev for your graphics and x etc. are you at an autogen hase yet?
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15:14<rss>magy: did you get an error message
15:14<magy>rss: i have a blank squeeze
15:14<magy>rss: i need somethin like list of needed packages
15:14<AgentC>zeus_: see this for your /etc/apt/sources.list : http://paste.debian.net/106941/
15:14<magy>rss: cant find it
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15:15<AgentC>zeus_: that's my config
15:15<magy>rss: yea i got an error in autogen phase
15:15<zeus_>AgentC: Thank you !
15:15<zeus_>AgentC: It seems you 're not using volatile or updates
15:16<bartm>AgentC, squeeze-updates is missing
15:16<zeus_>retrospectacus: thank you !
15:16<retrospectacus>np :)
15:16<AgentC>zeus_: maybe, just tried to say my state of edu to help you. if wrong, put it in trash ;-)
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15:17<adb>AgentC, apt-file search circuit
15:17<magy>rss: exactly this error :) http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/problem-installing-enlightenment-with-easy_e17-720101/
15:17<zeus_>AgentC: no problem your tip was appreciaed !
15:18<rss>magy: you need libtool installed
15:18<rss>magy: also bison autoconf autogen etc.
15:18<adb>!b-e
15:18<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>.
15:18<magy>rss: i know i have many packages missing, but i cant find the list of them
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15:19<rss>magy: I cannot give you a specific list of spes for e17 I run a dull dev envronment with many dev libs.
15:19<AgentC>!tigon
15:19<dpkg>Tigon is an Ethernet chipset family originally from Alteon Networks. For Tigon3 device support, ask me about <tg3>. For Tigon I and II device support, ask me about <acenic>.
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15:19<AgentC>!tg3
15:19<dpkg>[tg3] the driver for Broadcom Tigon3 (aka NetXtreme I) Ethernet chipsets, included in mainline Linux kernels. Firmware from userspace (Debian 2.6.29 and later kernels) is only required for support of the BCM5701 A0 chipset or for TCP Segment Offloading (<TSO>) functionality. Tigon3 firmware (tg3.bin, tg3_tso5.bin, tg3_tso.bin) is packaged in firmware-linux-nonfree, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <firmware images>.
15:19<magy>rss: this will be a long-distance run :)
15:20<rss>magy: I do not know which ones are needed for e17 as my envirmoent is complete enough
15:20<AgentC>ohje
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15:21*AgentC got sms by phone : mitlab.de : devkit.gotdns.com is on error alert. :-(
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15:21<rss>magy: yes it will be long distance searching for e17 and dependancies may help. The list is to long for to look at my install for you. However, do not give up hope try looking for ecomorph on google. there is a good page on that and it lists many deps.
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15:21*AgentC : no, but ethernet connection is broken until next reboot.
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15:22<AzaToth>"After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used."
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15:22<AgentC>rss: is there a different in the kind of samba.cfg between lenny/squeeze?
15:23<AgentC>rss: can i keep current config?
15:23<magy>rss: i found something on enlightenment webpage, but it seems i have to add testing and unstable sources
15:23<rss>AgentC: samba? I do not use it. nfs and iscsi
15:23<AgentC>rss: i'll try, more then a problem cant come out there ;-)
15:24<rss>magy: do not add the testing source as that was/is squueze now. apt-get install the libs listed
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15:24<rss>magy: do not go for unstable/sid unless you are comfortable with breaking packages
15:25<rss>magy: and ofcourse restoring the breakage by manual package reinstall
15:25<magy>hmm
15:26<xinkill>Whats the difference in time between unstable and testing? I mean how long does it take for a package to go from unstable to testing?
15:26<devil>xinkill: normaly from 10 days to 3 weeks
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15:26*ml|_ notes that X is currently broken in sid, last I heard
15:26<rss>AgentC: regarding samba what are you trying to achieve? as far as i know there should be no difference with smb.conf. If you have accidentally overwritten you old one then I hope you have a backup/
15:26<devil>ml|_: utterly
15:27<AgentC>rss: i use samba for intranet sharing between lnx-server and all other clients. works fine, but i think samba is better then the windows implementation ;=) i see that in the network logs
15:27<ml|_>devil: thanks for confirmation
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15:27*AgentC made a backup of hole the system files before upgrading.
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15:27*AgentC made a backup of all the system files before upgrading.
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15:28<rss>AgentC: samba is ok for that. Check your smb.conf. if you have made changes then a newer version could have been installed. maybe all you are missing is the section for you shares
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15:29<rss>AgentC: try diff with current smb.conf and backup smb.conf
15:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 533] by debhelper
15:29<AgentC>rss: hm, dont know the programmers of each packages agree that the configfile is possible from an older version, but the differents may not as hard as unsolveable.
15:29<AgentC>rss: i did a backup of all systemfiles
15:30<rss>AgentC: diff /location/old/smb.conf /etc/samba/smb.conf
15:30<daemonkeeper>I tried to install kfreebsd. Seems grub is unable to boot from zfs. Could that be?
15:30<rss>daemonkeeper: yes! make ext2 boot
15:30<daemonkeeper>Ok
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15:31<AgentC>rss: diff? a tool to see difference between 2 versions of source ?
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15:31<rss>AgentC: yes a tool to see difference in 2 files. if old and new smb.conf are the same something else is broken. not the config
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15:32<AgentC>rss: i read about, it is also used to update source-files,hm ?
15:32<rss>AgentC: no it does not update
15:33<rss>AgentC: apt-get install diff
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15:33<mjt>it's diffutils in squeeze
15:33<mjt>and it's in base install
15:33<rss>AgentC: apt-get install diffutils
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15:34<mjt>Package: diffutils
15:34<mjt>Essential: yes
15:34<mjt>you have to work hard to _remove_ it (it's always installed)
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15:35<AgentC>what is equal on microsoft windows and submarines ? when you open a window, the problems get to start ;-)
15:35<rss>mjt: I realize squeeze is different from lenny. AgentC is upgrading and may still have old lenny source somwhere
15:35<mjt>diff on lenny was essential too :)
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15:36<mjt>(the package has been renamed lenny => squeeze, but it remains essential since stone age)
15:36*AgentC thinks, whats about "ms linux" ?
15:37*AgentC thinks, it must be called megasystem-linux ;-)
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15:37<rss>mjt, AgentC: diff /etc/samba/smb.conf /<location of backup>/smb.conf should work. if ther is no output the files are the same.
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15:38<AgentC>rss: while the upgrade is running, i do not set into the system to prevent errors.
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15:38<AgentC>rss: currently it asking me for grup configuration
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15:38<SLot>hi al
15:38<SLot>all
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15:39<rss>AgentC: during the upgrade your samba daemon will be shut down and the restarted when it is done. if you cannot reach you samba shares then you should expect that. samba may be down, hence no shares
15:39<xinkill>rss: But if one line differs in the smb.conf diff if going to show the rest of the lines after that too. Or am I mistaken?
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15:40<SLot>how to set the option "di debian-installer/language string" for Portuguese Brazil?
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15:40<rss>xinkill: yes, but you can manipulate behavior with switches
15:40<xinkill>Aha
15:40<AgentC>rss: <samba> you're wrong, samba is running at this time of install
15:41<AgentC>rss: maybe it stopped before for a time, dunno.
15:41<rss>AgentC: I am not a samba expert. Maybe someone here can step in. Like I said I use nfs and iscsi block devices
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15:42<rss>AgentC: Samba might have shut down and then restarted. If that is the case it it normal to have lost and regained a connection
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15:43*AgentC is feeling bad in case of the handling of other people within this city in his social case, science is a good way to make the mind free of illusions ;-)
15:44<rss>xinkill: regarding diff the lines around the line that is changed are shown to provide you with context
15:44<AgentC>rss: <samba> maybe
15:44<AgentC>rss: <samba> in any case, fileserver is running on all clients.
15:44<xinkill>rss: Just tested that one out :P
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15:45<Francesc_o>xdcc send #73
15:45<AgentC>what does it mean: invoke-rc.d: policy-rc.d denied execution of stop.
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15:46<rawkcrawler>thsi room alive?
15:47*AgentC 's upgrade seems to be stopped, nothing goes on, no hdd activity, no screen activity
15:47<kosst>ya
15:47<AgentC>rawkcrawler: seems so
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15:47<rss>AgentC: You just answered you own question. If you are now running the new samba daemon and the old one also worked and there is no diff output. Then there is no diff between lenny/squeeze smb.conf
15:47<Rovanion>Is there any way to get the real r128 driver working again after going Squeeze? All I get is this crappy software acceleration even though I have 'r128' as my driver in xorg.conf
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15:48<rss>AgentC: what does top say?
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15:49<AgentC>rss: no, ok, it goes on, took a while but continue
15:49<Rovanion>My graphics card would be an ATi Mobility Rage M3
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15:50<rss>Rovanion: try radeon instead of r128
15:50<Rovanion>rss, Will do
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15:51<GorillaPatch>Hello everybody. I am having trouble getting arno-iptables-firewall running on squeeze after dist-upgrade
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15:51<GorillaPatch>I am getting these errors on start http://pastebin.com/cEbDiHb1
15:51<edward>I am back from dinner ^_^
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15:51<edward>Still have the problem with the video driver tough...
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15:52<edward>"aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" Doesn't work :-(
15:52<Rovanion>And how do I turn on ctrl-backspace restarting of Xorg ?
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15:52<AgentC>edward: in squeeze are non-free drivers removed, you must install it manuelly.
15:52<Torsten_W>Rovanion, dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
15:53<Rovanion>Thank you Torsten_W
15:53<rss>GorillaPatch: depending on your kernel version many netfilter modules were renamed. See if there is a squueze of debian testing package for youe firewall availabe and install that
15:53<edward>@AgentC how do I do that? Can I just install the package from the ubuntu 10.10 reporsitory
15:53<edward>?
15:53<AgentC>edward: i think, there are these packages avail, see release notes, i saw it, so take a look, there is enough information aabout driver info.
15:53<edward>installing the package from the repo doesn't wokr
15:53<edward>the debian repo that is
15:53<AgentC>edward: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.de
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15:54<edward>now the resolution is f*cked up and I don't have 3d anymore which I had with nouveau (but that's slow)
15:54<edward>this is not an upgrade, a clean install...
15:54<GorillaPatch>rss: I am using a 2.6.32.16-linode28 kernel so this is a 2.6.32.16 kernel with pv-grub support
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15:55<AgentC>edward: does not matter even clean install, drivers of non-free are not installed, you must install it by hand, see that docu to get info
15:55<edward>It's in german??
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15:55<AgentC>edward: sorry. i'll try to get en version
15:55<rss>GorillaPatch: again squeeze uses a mauch newer kenel than lenny. Modules may have been renames. if youe firewall is vm-appliance then check a testing apliance or a squeeze one
15:56<edward>okay
15:56<laghi>ciao
15:56<laghi>!list
15:56<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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15:56<Arrowmaster>nvidia stuff is in the non-free section which youll need to manually enable since its not enabled by default
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15:56<AgentC>edward: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual
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15:57<edward>@arrowmaster I enabled it
15:57<GorillaPatch>rss: I get this testing appliance on the debian packages website?
15:57<CyB3rPuNk>hi guys! are the xserver* packages removed from the repositories?
15:57<edward>installed the "nvidia-glx" package
15:57<AgentC>edward: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual
15:57<edward>but now it's fucked up :-(
15:57<CyB3rPuNk>for sid..
15:57<Arrowmaster>edward: ofcourse, just installing nvidia-glx wont work
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15:58<rss>GorillaPatch: I do not know I always handcraft my firewalls. It is why i know module names may differ and accept hacking to get them working again. I am unfamiliar with the firewall you use.
15:58<edward>it doesn't say anything about nvidia driver, that document :-(
15:58<AgentC>edward: see for your hardware drivers installed in kernel either by module or linked, i think there is the reason
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15:58<GorillaPatch>OK.
15:58<edward>@ArrowmasteR: what do Ihave to do
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15:59<AgentC>edward: try "lsmod" to show modules
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15:59<Arrowmaster>edward: you said that the command to install nvidia-dkms 'didnt work' what was wrong? what kinda error message did it give?
16:00<edward>!nvidia dkms
16:00<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
16:00<edward>gives
16:00<edward>nvidia-settings dkm dkms dkms dkms dkms
16:00<edward>bash: nvidia-settings: command not found
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16:00<rss>edward: what dpkg bot said
16:00<edward>I did that already
16:00<Arrowmaster>what, where in that was nvidia-settings called
16:00<rss>edward: OK sorry
16:01<edward>it installed the nvidia module
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16:01<edward>but it said it didn't have permission
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16:01<Arrowmaster>did you run it as root?
16:01<babilen>edward: nvidia-settings? there is no nvidia-settings in that factoid
16:01<edward>to create folder "/etc/X11/xorg.conf
16:01<rss>edward: are you running that as root?
16:01<edward>yes as root
16:01<babilen>edward: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ! (note the .d)
16:01<Arrowmaster>root CANT fail on permissions
16:01<rss>edward: permissions should not be a problem then
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16:02<edward>I know but I did just see it happen :-( :-?
16:02<AgentC>edward: what kind of card of nvidia you are using ?
16:02<Arrowmaster>did you use sudo?
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16:02<edward>yes
16:02<edward>I don't have a real root account 'cause I didn't enter
16:02<Arrowmaster>do `sudo -s`, then run the command
16:02<edward>a password during install
16:02<magy>rss: omg, now i know what a dependency hell is
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16:02<babilen>edward: Which command do you want to run?
16:03<Arrowmaster>sudo cant run commands that involve pipes or multiple commands like that one
16:03<AgentC>edward: what kind of card of nvidia you are using ?
16:03<edward>no errors
16:03<edward>then reboot and pray?
16:03<Arrowmaster>yes
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16:03<rss>magy: yes i understand what you mean. if you really want e17 then stick with it try try again eventually you will succeed. I am very haapy with e17
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16:04<edward>*amen* *kneels*
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16:04<babilen>edward: Which command did you just execute? the one-liner dpkg told you about?
16:04*AgentC was right, system message says: after upgrade reboot is required.
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16:05<AgentC>edward: i try to find a solution, but i have to know what kind of card you are using.
16:05<rss>babilen: too late edward is already rebooting
16:05<babilen>AgentC: The solotion is either <nvidia dkms> <nvidia dkms-173xx> or <nvidia dkms-96xx> :)
16:05<magy>rss: im on edje already
16:06<Arrowmaster>i think the problem was just that he was trying to execute the command from dpkg with sudo
16:06<babilen>solution even :)
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16:06<rss>magy: edje ?
16:06<edward>it works
16:06<babilen>Arrowmaster: Ah, yes. That wouldn't work.
16:06<babilen>edward: great
16:06<edward>glxgears just went from 500 (nouveau) to 10926 (nvidia) XD
16:06<babilen>hehe
16:06<Arrowmaster>common problem for those unfamilar with sudo
16:06<AgentC>babilen: with my trust, i believe you have more experience then me
16:06<rss>edward: great
16:06<edward>but if there is a kernel update will I have to do this again?
16:07<AgentC>:-)
16:07<Arrowmaster>edward: what does `uname -r` output?
16:07<edward>2.6.32-5-amd64
16:08<AgentC>my dist-upgrade lenny->squeeze is finished, it tells me to reboot. is there anything more to do before reboot the server system ?
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16:08<Arrowmaster>if linux-headers-2.6-amd64 is installed then everything should work automatically after a kernel upgrade
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16:09<edward>linux-headers-2.6-amd64 is already the newest version. :-)
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16:09<rss>AgentC: no errors?
16:09<themill>AgentC: you should have already rebooted into the new kernel; but yes, you want to double check that you have a working boot loader at least
16:09<AgentC>rss: nothing to see#
16:09<babilen>Arrowmaster: My drive mounts btw -- I find this quite unaesthetic though. plugdev is no solution either as the gid is not the same across machines.
16:09<Arrowmaster>yeah my sed-foo is a little rusty but i think thats what the first part of the command you ran did
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16:10<AgentC>rss: shall i try ?
16:10<vezult>If I have a software raid1 array which is in the process of rebuilding...how do I tell which one is the "source" and which is being rebuilt?
16:10<edward>Allright thanks for the help people I will get back to studying some more kanji now ;-)
16:10<babilen>Arrowmaster: That is exactly what it did
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16:10<babilen>edward: have fun! 加油!
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16:11<rss>AgentC: that should mean that everything is already running squeeze except your kernel. A reboot is recommended
16:11<edward>I only know +- 200 yet, what are those 2? XD
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16:11<AgentC>rss: last message was a warning in case of a lib on libGL (link group libGL.so is broken)
16:11<Arrowmaster>babilen: well you can use something like fuse-bindfs (not sure what the exact package name is) but i dont know if you can do it automatically
16:12<babilen>edward: chinese for "add oil" (literally) -- means more or less "rock on" or "go go go" or "keep on working"
16:12<rss>AgentC: that affect opengl not kernel and system. it could means grphics do not do what you expect
16:12<AgentC>rss: (forcing reinstallation of alternative /usr/lib/nvidia/diversions/libGL.so because link group libGL.so is broken
16:13<edward>ah you're Chinese? XD
16:13<rss>AgentC: are you comfortable with a command line
16:13<babilen>edward: no i'm not -- i studied mandarin though and this is getting off-topic :)
16:13<edward>Well ofcourse I am studying Japanese XD but you still have to learn those characters :D
16:13<rss>AgentC: retry apt-get dist-upgrade
16:13<AgentC>rss: i started with msdos 5 , so waht a question :)
16:13<edward>yeah it is bye *waves* ;-)
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16:14<rss>AgentC: sound like you should be OK. babilen do you concur
16:14<AgentC>rss: do you remember proboard or remote access ? like time-ed or else of bbs systems ? ok may be it is 20 years in past, but my retro's never go away.
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16:15<babilen>rss: huh? i have no idea what you two have been up to
16:15<AgentC>rss: i try a reboot and i am praying ;-)
16:15<rss>babilen: upgrade from lenny to squeeze message about libgl
16:15<babilen>AgentC: hang on
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16:16<babilen>AgentC: Haven't you rebooting during the upgrade (right after the kernel/udev installation) ?
16:16<larry>Hi I am having issues deleting a phantom software raid array /dev/md1, all attempts say device is busy
16:16<babilen>rebooted
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16:16<Guest770>Weird b/c I dont remember creating the array and it says it is 3gb
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16:16<rss>babilen: yeah i caught that
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16:17*AgentC got painfully to the understanding, to try a reboot it is neccessary to have an active keyboard ;-)) shit, maybe batteries down
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16:18*AgentC says: now it works. going to shutdown -r
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16:18<babilen>AgentC: what? you should have booted already ...
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16:19<rss>AgentC: what happening?
16:20<AgentC>i am in grup bootup, possiblities to boot: 2.6.32-5-686 and the last lenny 2.6.26-2-686 , also 486 is avail, but that is not needed.
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16:20<AgentC>shall i bootup the the 32 ?
16:20<rss>AgentC: yes new kernel
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16:20<AgentC>graphic mode in textconsole active
16:21<GorillaPatch>rss: You were correct, the 2.6.32 kernel has some problems, the 2.6.18 works fine with the fire wall
16:21<rss>GorillaPatch: OK good for you
16:22<AgentC>ok, so on, but an error on xwin mode: there was an error loading the theme blueswirl. !?
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16:22<rss>GorillaPatch: find firewall version for your new kernel
16:22*AgentC have no other possible to press ok.
16:22<GorillaPatch>yes
16:22<rss>AgentC: use the 32 kernel
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16:23<rss>AgentC: you have a grub super rescue disk and a grub2 super rescue dont you?
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16:25<AgentC>rss: i installed on my fileserverdisk a 10gb lennysystem for rescue purposes. the new system boots up with only this errormsg but in gnome all config in case of GUI seems to be really different from that i know about
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16:26<AgentC>rss: the 10gb rescue i didnt used before, only installed for rescue purposes
16:26<AgentC>rss: it appears in bootup grup loader
16:26<AgentC>rss: but now the desktop icons changed to be a little bit bigger then normally
16:27<rss>AgentC: does the new kernel boot? does the x start? can you login?
16:27<AgentC>rss: i am logged in with x and gnome, kernel normal, but config have changes
16:27<rss>AgentC: what errormsg? i missed that
16:28<rss>AgentC: Welcome to squeeze explore and enjoy
16:28<AgentC>rss: scroll up in irc-chat, i sad that before, shall i repeat ?
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16:28<rss>AgentC: repeat please
16:28<AgentC>rss: thank you, much work to config that ;-)
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16:30<AgentC>rss : <AgentC> ok, so on, but an error on xwin mode: there was an error loading the theme blueswirl. !?
16:31<AgentC>rss: this error cames up before the login-prompt
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16:32<rss>AgentC: sounds like some gnome themes are missing. check aptitude for gnome-themes
16:33<rss>AgentC: blueswirl was the lenny theme
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16:33<AgentC>rss: so a config mistake´=
16:33<AgentC>?
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16:33<xinkill>agentc: Perhaps you could change to another theme?
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16:34<AgentC>xinkill: how to do?
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16:34*magy ninth time trying to install e17
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16:34<AgentC>most of the config is ok, only screenmanagement is disturbed.
16:35<AgentC>can be there are other probs, but i didnt see them before, maybe or maybe not
16:35<xinkill>Agentc: system > preferences > appereance
16:35<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: bablien: I was talking to you guys before about my e100 driver. You told me to go to packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-linux-nonfree, but that package no longer seems to be there.
16:35<AgentC>xinkill : i see
16:35<rss>AgentC: aptitude ans look for gnome-themes
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16:36<daemonkeeper>Habstinat: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-linux-nonfree
16:36*AgentC loves you !
16:36<rss>AgentC: loves you?
16:37<daemonkeeper>Note I didn't say you /need/ that one. I said chances are, you didn't provide us a dmesg output or told us about dmesg hints at least
16:37<AgentC>rss: 1st for all your help from all, 2nd for all the programmers made that great work!!!!!!!
16:37<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: Yup, turns out I was typing the URL wrong >.<
16:37<rss>AgentC: OK, Have fun with squeeze
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16:38<AgentC>rss: thank you
16:38<magy>i never heard of library shape.h
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16:39<rss>magy: shape.h is not a library it is a header file. you are likely missing a lib-dev package
16:39<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: I could tell you about dmesg if you told me for specific phrases to look for.
16:39<magy>shapelib-dev
16:39<rss>magy: yes possibly
16:39<AgentC>magy: shape ? means that a kind of brix or volatile grafix modulecules?
16:40<rss>Habstinat: pastebin dmesg
16:40<magy>no that package doesn't exist
16:40<AgentC>magy: there are many libs, i self did one
16:40<daemonkeeper>Habstinat: After doing modprobe e100 you should be able to see whethere the module loader complains about missing firmware
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16:40<Habstinat>rss: The problem I'm having is with my Ethernet, so not possible :P
16:40<AgentC>magy: brix-scrolling, like 2d games (eg mario) ?? there is many out, all of the games based on such system-libs
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16:41<magy>AgentC: i need now to know where to get that header file
16:41<rss>Habstinat: Sorry!
16:41<AgentC>magy: GIANA SISTERS ROCKS
16:41<AgentC>magy: i take a look, one moment
16:41<magy>X11/extensions/shape.h
16:42<rss>magy: for the header install the right dev library. Which on you need I cannot guess.
16:42<magy>how many are there shaping packages?!
16:42<AgentC>magy: there are some results on google,
16:42<AgentC>magy: in wrong cases you can access my mirror of x2ftp
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16:43<AgentC>magy: no warranty, but there are many sources on my server
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16:43<AgentC>magy: even nasa ai sources (<1990)
16:44<magy>;))
16:44<AgentC>rss: aeh, as i tried to install thems with aptitude, it is going to deinstall many many libs in the system, something is going wrong, shall i break that ?
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16:45<ziller>have you been uninstalling things?
16:46<ziller>aptitude likes to clean house
16:46<AgentC>oh god thanks that i have a backup :-)
16:46<rss>magy: try apt-get install x11proto-xext-dev
16:46*magy found x11proto-xext-dev package
16:46<magy>on a spanish site :)
16:47<magy>or french?
16:47<rss>AgentC: please apt-get update
16:47<AgentC>that what is going on in my squeeze install seems to be really aehm, strange? crazy? ok, let us wait what happens after aptitude.
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16:47<AgentC>moment
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16:48<rss>AgentC: after apt-get update apt-get upgrade. this install all stuff that does not need new libs.
16:48<magy>oh no, same error even with x11proto-xext-dev
16:48<magy>it seemed to be the last one
16:49<AgentC>rss: nonono, i just selected to install some gfx-themes , but aptitude decied to remove some packages. i ask , why ?
16:49<AgentC>rss: it is finished, but i dont know what was changed.
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16:49<ziller>AgentC: have you been uninstalling things?
16:49<oOarthurOo>AgentC, /var/log/aptitude will show you what it did
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16:49<rss>magy: are libx11-dev, x11proto-core-dev installed
16:50<daemonkeeper>rss: Had you actual luck with my grub/kfreebsd problem? I tried with UFS and ext2 /boot, both fail. The "guided" procedure putting the whole disk as UFS / works though.
16:50<AgentC>ziller: i didnt deselected anything. it was removing a many of libs from itself
16:50<AgentC>oOarthurOo: i take a look
16:50<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: http://pastie.org/pastes/1542578/text
16:51<daemonkeeper>Habstinat: Looks good. You can try to configure your network then
16:51<AgentC>oOarthurOo: really cruel: install 53 pack, removfe 273 packs
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16:51<AgentC>even alsa was removed :-(((((((((
16:51<Habstinat>Using the firmware-linux-nonfree?
16:51<daemonkeeper>Habstinat: Should work without
16:52<daemonkeeper>Habstinat: Apparently you need to load your e100 manually
16:52<rss>AgentC: personally i always use the -ud switches to apt-get. that means show update <u> and download only <d>. that gives me a list of packages to install and uninstall. If i do not trust the list I do not go on.
16:53<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: So now it should be working without me having to do anything else?
16:53<mjt>apt-get asks you what to do even without -d
16:53<daemonkeeper>Habstinat: Chances are
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16:53<mjt>unless it can install _just_ the packages you specified
16:53<daemonkeeper>Habstinat: try ifup eth0
16:53<rss>mjt: exactly
16:53<mjt>so -ud is not needed ;)
16:54<AgentC>can any1 test to connect to my apache at "devkit.gotdns.com" : 80 ?
16:54<daemonkeeper>Habstinat: Or actually, try ifconfig -a first, it should show you a (not configured) network interface
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16:55<rss>AgentC: it works
16:55<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: "SIOCARDDRT: No such process Failed to bring up eth0." for ifup.
16:55<magy>rss: that didn't work, installed libx11-dev x11proto-core-dev and still same error
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16:55<AgentC>rss: that deinstalled also mplayer and much software i need every day ;) whats wrong !?
16:55<daemonkeeper>datacrusher: ifconfig -a shows you an interface?
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16:56<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: Not sure which parts are relevant in the ifconfig -a output.
16:56<daemonkeeper>Have you a line starting with ethX?
16:56*AgentC wonder, system cpu usage < 10% :-)
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16:56<daemonkeeper>You should see ethX, lo and maybe some more
16:57<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: Yes, I see eth0, lo, and pan0
16:57<daemonkeeper>Do you use dhcp on your network?
16:57<rss>magy: this is dependancy hell. I am not going to try every single dev lib that i have installed. At this point there are 323 libs with a dev package on my system.
16:58<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: To be honest, I'm not sure.
16:58*magy hates dependecy hells
16:58<daemonkeeper>No worry. Do you manually configure your network, or you plug just a cable to your router?
16:58<rss>AgentC: add the debian multimedia to /etc/apt/source.list and apt-get install mplayer
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16:59<AgentC>rss: that wasnt the only prob, it removed me 270 packages.
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17:00<mjt>fwiw, mplayer in squeeze is quite capable by its own
17:00<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: Pretty sure I just plug a cable into my router.
17:00<daemonkeeper>Then try: ifconfig eth0 up; dhclient eth0. The first command should not give any output. dhclient should assign you a IP.
17:01<rss>AgentC: maybe with the upgrade many packeges became obsolete. That means no longer needed. aptitude may have automatically removed them without breaaking anything. Unlikikely i grant but possible. check services you need and reinstall what you find is missing
17:01<datacrusher>daemonkeeper, sorry?
17:01<daemonkeeper>datacrusher: I was speaking to Habstinat
17:01<rss>mjt: I know, i run sid and use debian multimedia
17:01<datacrusher>ok
17:01<ml|_>yes, no need for dmm for mplayer _only_
17:02<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: Alright. Both of those had no output.
17:02<rss>mjt: i alsu use jackd for realtime audio an x264 etc.
17:02<daemonkeeper>Habstinat: No output is not that good for the second one.
17:02<n1md4>evening. Can I use a 64bit kernel on an Intel E5335 CPU?
17:03<AgentC>rss: also some menu-entries apears doublicated.
17:03<AgentC>rss: like : system-monitor
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17:03<rss>AgentC: I do not use gnome for a desktop shell. All my knowledge in that regard is generic.
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17:04<mjt>rss: nearly all current sound devices works fine without any sound servers, using built-in mixer
17:04<daemonkeeper>Habstinat: Are you really sure you typed the last command right? "dhclient eth0"?
17:04<AgentC>rss: i know i am a kind of crazy to love technology, but it helps every day ;) so if you want to loose your girlfried, buy a PC .... ;-)))))))
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17:05<AgentC>rss: haehaehahehe ;-) #
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17:05<tuzok>hi, I am unable to burn my newly downloaded Squeeze AMD64 image using brasero. Brasero seem not to recognise image format. Anyone lucky with this software?
17:05<babilen>AgentC: "lose" -- to "loose one's girlfriend" has a slightly different meaning :)
17:05<freagg>hello, i'm kinda newbie to linux, but have a proble after apt-get upgrade apache2 and php5 doesn't work
17:05<rss>mjt: jackd gives me near reltime performance. I'm a music enthousiast so my bias is obvious. the standard mixer does not cut it for me. I agree with you that for most is wouls easily suffice.
17:06<ram>good night people.
17:06<rss>ram: bye
17:06<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: 100% positive. Just did it again.
17:06<ram>my laptop's touchpad doesn't work after upgrading to Debian Squeeze.
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17:07<tuzok>ram: you may need non-free driver for you touchpad
17:07<daemonkeeper>Habstinat: Well, if you type "ifconfig" (no parameters this time), do you see your interface?
17:07<AgentC>babilen: thank'i you to let me know , i am not perfect ;-)
17:07<ram>actually I can move the mouse by touchpad but can't click on touchpad, I need to click on the buttons to click.
17:07<babilen>AgentC: Common mistake :)
17:07<rss>ram: sorry mised that that was you sign on
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17:08<ram>tuzok: is there a way to see if it is? I have a HP laptop.
17:08<ram>rss: it's ok, hello. :)
17:08<babilen>ram: What kind of touchpad do you have?
17:08<chealer>tuzok: which squeeze amd64 image did you download?
17:08<rss>ram: Ho
17:08<AgentC>babilen: lose ist auch ein name ;9 zumindest im deutschen.
17:08<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: I see eth0 and lo, but not pan0.
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17:09<daemonkeeper>Habstinat: That sounds absolutely right.
17:09<ram>babilen: it's me, ibrahim.
17:09<ram>babilen: it's hp's own touchpad.
17:09<ram>what about it's kind?
17:09<babilen>ram: Ah, hi. Ok, could you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net please?
17:09<ram>ok, a sec.
17:10*AgentC is calling a ex-coworker/scientist... some time ago, coming up in some time again
17:10<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: So what does that mean then? Is there more I could do?
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17:11<daemonkeeper>Habstinat: I am really curious why you don't get output from dhclient. What do you get on dhclient -h?
17:11<ram>babilen: http://paste.debian.net/106958/
17:11<daemonkeeper>You should receive usage information, no need to write its output
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17:11<rss>ram: what hp generation. mine is an nw8240 with synaptics pad works fine.
17:11<tuzok>chealer: I have downloaded debian-6.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso, the md5sum match
17:11<ram>rss: this is an old kind. HP G61-632NR
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17:12<babilen>ram: Ok. It is pretty easy ... Which features do you want to enable? (like tap-to-click, 2-finger-tapping-double-click, 2-finger-scrolling, and so on)
17:13<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: I get the usage screen, I think it doesn't recognize that argument.
17:13<daemonkeeper>Habstinat: Well, you can try without as well, but I really doubt it wouldn't
17:13<oOarthurOo>tuzok, in what way does brasero fail? Does it recognize your blank DVD? Does it begin to burn but fail? Have you tried burning at the slowest possible speed?
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17:13<daemonkeeper>So, just type "dhclient"
17:13<tuzok>anyone ever encountered strange behaviour of mouse in X server - my single mouse have been detected twice - every time i click, it would double-click. Nasty!
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17:14<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: No output. I'm running this all as root, by the way.
17:14<daemonkeeper>Yeah, that's right.
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17:14<babilen>ram: If you just want to enable clicking open gnome-control-center→mouse (top bar Administration→Mouse if i remember correctly) switch to "Touchpad" and click "Enable mouse clicks with touchpad"
17:14<ram>babilen: you know, i can move the mouse via the touchpad, but you can touch on the touchpad to click or the buttons right and left on the touchpad. at my problem, clicking on the touchpad doesn't work. so, I just want to enable clicking on the touchpad. the rest is fine with the touchpad I guess.
17:15<ram>sorry for my bad english..
17:15<tuzok>oOarturOo: It recognize black DVD and states it's ready to burn, but in image type, there's only one option automatic (safest) and button Burn is kept disabled
17:15<tuzok>*blank DVD
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17:15<retrospectacus>ram: in my experience there is a thing in System - Preferences - Touchpad for configuring those kind of things.
17:15<oOarthurOo>tuzok, so brasero won't let you load the iso image?
17:16<babilen>ram: No problem. I just asked because there are *a lot of things* you can configure to your wishes. Enabling tapping is most easily done by just configuring it from within gnome. Other things ae more advanced. To learn about them: "man 4 synaptics"
17:16<babilen>ram: But if you just want tapping -- enable it in Gnome's Mouse→Touchpad preferences ...
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17:16<ram>babilen: i thought it was because of the that 2 firmware errors while upgrading to Debian Squeeze. sorry, I got it now.
17:17<ram>babilen and retrospectacus, THANKS.
17:17<ram>it works now.
17:17<babilen>ram: Absolutely no problem. :)
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17:17<tuzok>oOarthurOo: it's probably not recongnizing the format, but will allow me to open file in Opening dialog
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17:18<babilen>ram: wonderful -- if you are interested check out the other configuration options in "man 4 synaptics" -- but that might overwhelm you a bit too
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17:18<ram>you know.. I like this. the Debian.
17:18<ram>but a lot things to change/fix..
17:18<ram>so, I'll be around.
17:18<ram>thank you babilen.
17:18<kop>ram: You may be interested in <overview>.
17:18<kop>!tell ram about overview
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17:19<daemonkeeper>Habstinat: I am lacking a bit ideas. That sounds definitively strange for you. If you don't you get something like this: http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7334/quassel2.png (failures are ok too, at least anything), we might speak again how you did install your Squeeze?
17:19<ram>ok kop, I'll look at it too.
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17:19<ram>Good night Debian people.
17:19<kop>ram: The wiki page is, uh, quick. ;-)
17:20<freagg>when i install newer version of package with apt-get how can i rollback if that doesn't work?
17:20<babilen>ram: good night ...
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17:20<kop>freagg: You don't. Instead you report a bug and have Debian fix it.
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17:20<freagg>omg
17:20<kop>freagg: If you must go back, restore a backup.
17:20<kop>freagg: Debian stable does not install newer versions. Or almost never.
17:20<kop>freagg: That makes the problem moot.
17:21<daemonkeeper>s/almost//
17:21<oOarthurOo>tuzok, so, brasero recognizes the dvd, and let's you open the iso file, you just can't click burn, is that right?
17:21<freagg>i got php 5.3.3.7 and now my apache doesnt work at all
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17:21<oOarthurOo>have you confirmed the dvd type is supported by your burner? e.g., mine can't write to -R
17:21<oOarthurOo>tuzok, ^^
17:21<tuzok>oOarthurOo: that's it, can't click Burn
17:22<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: When I do dhclient eth1, I get an error about not having that device. I installed Debian via Update Manager from Lenny. When I rebooted, I couldn't connect.
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17:22<daemonkeeper>Habstinat: Yeah, eth1 is mine
17:22<kop>judd: You must be running sid, yes?
17:22<daemonkeeper>Habstinat: For you, eth0 is correct
17:22<retrospectacus>freagg: downgrading is not the solution... do you have a detailed explanation of the problem ?
17:22<jhutchins>Habstinat: Not having eth1 is probably related to not connecting. Do you have multiple NICs? What does ifconfig say?
17:23<kop>freagg: Are you running sid, or testing? Either will break a lot.
17:23<daemonkeeper>jhutchins: He has eth0 (e100), but that fails to get an IP from dhcp (no output for dhclient, ifup fails with SIOCARDDRT)
17:23<Habstinat>jhutchins: I have eth0 and lo when I do ifconfig.
17:24<daemonkeeper>jhutchins: However ifconfig eth0 works
17:24<jhutchins>Interesting. and dhclient eth0?
17:24<daemonkeeper>"ifconfig eth0 up"
17:24<daemonkeeper>jhutchins: No output
17:24<daemonkeeper>dhclient in general seems ok, since -h works
17:24<freagg>retrospectacus , kop: y today i found my apache segfaults, on reload, i made update and now it's just showing default site for all diabled sites and empty page for all enabled
17:25<kop>freagg: If you want a debian that always works but has newer stuff then run stable and see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware for ways to get more software for stable.
17:25<jhutchins>Curious. I know that the e1000 needs firmware, not sure about the e100, but that would probably result in no eth0.
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17:25<kop>freagg: What version of debian?
17:25<tuzok>oOarthurOo: my Asus DRW-20B1LT burner is supposed to burn on DVD-R disk I have there (so confirms status: can be burned)
17:25<freagg>etch
17:25<kop>retrospectacus: (To be fair, there are _some_ changes to stable for security etc.)
17:25<daemonkeeper>jhutchins: We checked this as well, he has no matching PCI ID for the 2-3 known e100 types requiring firmware and dmesg loads the driver (denoting its MAC and so on)
17:25<kop>freagg: Then how could you possibly install that version of php? You're not using the debian repos.
17:26<rss>freagg: etch is no longer current. lanny was after etch. lenny has been superceeded by squeeze
17:26<retrospectacus>freagg: showing a blank page usually means something got logged. Unless you specifically disabled logging
17:26<freagg>my apt : deb http://ftp.ua.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
17:26<freagg>deb-src http://ftp.ua.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
17:26<jhutchins>daemonkeeper: As I said. Not expected behavior.
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17:26<rss>freagg: oops lanny = lenny
17:26<daemonkeeper>jhutchins: Yeah, I have no idea neither
17:26<retrospectacus>freagg: stable is squeeze now
17:27<jhutchins>freagg: Well, "stable" isn't etch, that could be part of the problem if you have squeeze packages mixed with etch.
17:27<kop>freagg: Ah. It's "bad" to put "stable" in instead of a release name. Because you get just this sort of problem -- upgrading without following the upgrade instructions found in the release notes.
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17:27<jhutchins>daemonkeeper: Could be a physical problem.
17:27<freagg>so what to do its pretty high lodaded server with tons of configs i cant just reinstall the system
17:27<kop>freagg: Your best bet is to follow the lenny release notes and upgrade to that, then follow the squeeze release notes and upgrade to that. I think.
17:28<jhutchins>freagg: If you set an address manually, can you ping the dhcp server?
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17:28<kop>freagg: You'll get prompted if there's a new version of a config file you changed and you can resolve the differences. That's how upgrading works.
17:28<daemonkeeper>jhutchins: Yes, indeed. However the driver loads fine as it seems. This is what I find odd
17:28<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: The md5sum of dhclient in /sbin is 3349b1f3aae456dca55760b2b8b48f5a.
17:28<jhutchins>freagg: You may need to update etch from the archives first though.
17:29<kop>freagg: Yes, what he said.
17:29<daemonkeeper>Someone has a squeeze to verify?
17:29<magy>rss: still there? :)
17:29<oOarthurOo>tuzok, perhaps try another burning application, xfburn, or maybe just use CLI. If you've got cdrecord installed as you should then there are plenty of instructions online about how to burn a dvd using cli.
17:29<rss>magy: yes
17:29<magy>rss: got a new error :)
17:29<freagg>jhutchins: i can
17:29<rss>magy: what one?
17:29<oOarthurOo>tuzok, I'm assuming you're not as interested in fixing brasero as creating the dvd :)
17:29<kop>freagg: Or restore a backup and plan to upgrade when you're ready. (Which should be soon because etch is no longer getting security updates and hasn't for some time.)
17:30<daemonkeeper>could someone running an up to date squeeze, verify Habstinat's md5sum for /sbin/dhclient please?
17:30<ml|_>e49585f053c40af349fe57c71245d2ac /sbin/dhclient
17:30<magy>rss: http://pastebin.com/nvQJtEnx
17:30<freagg>ok, ty guys
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17:30<kop>!tell freagg about etch sources
17:30<daemonkeeper>Ok, doesn't match, a third opinion then? :o)
17:30<jhutchins>!etch sources list
17:31<daemonkeeper>Ehm, Habstinat, actually, which arch are you running?
17:31<daemonkeeper>This is relevant as well here
17:31<ml|_>that md5sum is from amd64 ;)
17:31<Talon^>is there a line i can add to my sources.list for firefox? sure its easy enough to install without it, but it'd be nice if i also had firefox updates in my package managers.
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17:32<jhutchins>daemonkeeper: If I follow correctly, he has etch, perhaps with some lenny updates, and likely with some things from squeeze now.
17:32<kop>Talon^: No. But you can get updates for iceweasel, which is exactly the same thing, from backports.debian.org.
17:32<kop>!tell Talon^ about overview
17:32<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: i386, if "arch" means architecture?
17:32<daemonkeeper>Yes
17:32<tuzok>oOarthurOo: you're right, whatever will make the DVD burned, will do it... Brasero seemed to be an easy way, yet it failed :-/
17:32<daemonkeeper>jhutchins: squeeze he said yesterday, you are running squeeze, right Habstinat?
17:33<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: Yes.
17:33<jhutchins>daemonkeeper: Ah, missed the change.
17:33<Talon^>I'd rather stick with more current firefoxes, i've already removed iceweasel. I was just hoping there was some 3rd party repo with firefox
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17:33<daemonkeeper>Habstinat: Do you have a spare network card to verify jhutchins' idea?
17:34<jhutchins>daemonkeeper: Well, if he can ping the server, it's not the card or the driver. I would reinstall dhclient.
17:34<xinkill>Why is the 64bit version of debian called amd64? Is it because it is optimalised for amd cpu's?
17:34<daemonkeeper>jhutchins: Sorry, now I might miss something. He can?
17:34<amphi>!amd64
17:34<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>.
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17:35<jhutchins>xinkill: Intel's 64bit chips were not backwards compatible. AMD beat them with a dual-platform chip, and intel had to license the design from them.
17:35<ml|_>xinkill: /msg dpkg why amd64
17:35<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: Sorry, but no. I could reinstall dhclient via USB, is the MD5sum correct?
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17:35<daemonkeeper>Habstinat: dhclient is actually not essential. We were wondering if your NIC could be broken
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17:36<jhutchins>Atom processors are amd64 as well.
17:36<tcsetattr>"the 64bit version of debian" is the wrong way to look at it. there are many 64-bit versions of debian. amd64 is the one that runs on the architecture that was designed by amd.
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17:36<rss>magy: The script is not especially good at resolving order dependancies. run the script again with the switches --skip-update --skip-errors --install. this will run the script without new downloads ignore errors and try the next instead of aborting. repeat until no errors occur.
17:36<jhutchins>tcsetattr: ... and licensed by Intel for it's current chips, which is more relevant.
17:37<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: How can we test this? And how could we have tested it if I had another network card?
17:37<daemonkeeper>Well, mount it to the mainboard, use it :)
17:37<subdeuxed>Hi all
17:37<daemonkeeper>Habstinat: Do you have a spare network device? We might try to configure your network manually, but we must know about your network settings
17:37<rss>magy: possibly new dependancies on libraries will surface install those libs
17:37<subdeuxed>Is it just me or is the package listing for Squeeze empty on the debian site
17:37<jhutchins>daemonkeeper: I think this is irrelevant if he can ping using a manual address.
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17:38<daemonkeeper>jhutchins: Again, are you sure? I missed he could?
17:38<jhutchins>Habstinat: Do you see anyting in the logs from Network Manager?
17:38<subdeuxed>I'm trying to download some packages offline and I can't find anything in the package search
17:38<magy>rss: great tips
17:38<xinkill>subdeuxed: It's empty for squeeze and lenny for I know
17:38<jhutchins>Habstinat: I have seen a system where it got an address just fine, then networkmanager nuked it.
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17:38<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: My phone? It can connect to my WiFi, chatting on it right now. I also have a terminal emulator on it.
17:38<jhutchins>Habstinat has talented thumbs.
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17:39<daemonkeeper>Habstinat: Could you access your network by configuring it manually, like jhutchins said?
17:39<subdeuxed>xinkill: cool, so it's not just me. Why is it empty? How do I download debs now :(
17:39<Habstinat>jhutchins: This is all on a touch screen keyboard :P
17:39<xinkill>Perhaps they are still updating the site?
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17:40<magy>rss: --skip-update works not
17:40<magy>trying --skip-errors
17:40<Habstinat>jhutchins: Where can I find the Network Manager logs?
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17:40<subdeuxed>xinkill: I was able to download some packages about an hour ago... maybe just some site issues
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17:41<jhutchins>Habstinat: Don't know and don't have a system to check, it's either /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog, or dmesg where it showed up.
17:42<micove>oh Habs is here again , heh, I'm assuming that the firmware-linux-nonfree package was not the solution for the problem
17:42<Habstinat>micove: Didn't try it, and apparently I don't need it.
17:42<jhutchins>micove: He's got the link up (I think) he just can't get dhcp working.
17:42<jhutchins>Habstinat: You probably don't need networkmanager unless it's a portable laptop.
17:43<rss>magy: I regularly rebuild e17 from source with the script. I have already resolved all depandancies. my standard commanline is: sh easy_e17.sh --skip-errors --packagelist=full --update obviously i use that from a special directory. if anything fails i replace --update with --install. --skip-srcupdate i only use when my internet connction unreliable or veryslow.
17:43<Habstinat>jhutchins: It's a desktop.
17:43<micove>ok
17:44<daemonkeeper>micove: his dmesg loads just fine http://pastie.org/pastes/1542578/text
17:44<jhutchins>Habstinat: Quick and dirty way is just aptitude purge network-manager
17:44<rss>magy: again I run sid not squeeze ymmv.
17:45<jhutchins>Time to go visit the horses and come home by way of the taqueria. l8rs.
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17:46<rss>magy: regarding --skip-update should be --skip-srcupdate
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17:46<Habstinat>jhutchins: What should I paste from that?
17:46<magy>rss: i think i found something
17:47<magy>rss: how do i change the compile directory?
17:47<Habstinat>jhutchins: Also, I think that just started to delete some things?
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17:47<rss>magy: I went to my homedir as root. made an src dir and copied script there
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17:49<acu>who took care of debconf10 web broadcasting ?
17:49<magy>rss: i had a partition size problem
17:49<rss>magy: to compile e17 I do: su -<enter>cd src<enter>sh easy_e71.sh ...
17:50<AgentC>what does it mean, when on startup a message : startpar: sercice returned failure: cman: failed!
17:50<magy>rss: i have default 322M / partition
17:50<magy>and had e17_src in /root
17:50<rss>magy: should be large enough
17:51<rss>magy: I su -
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17:52<rss>magy: I su - cd to src dir and run the script with options. that gives me a build tree
17:52<magy>now i'm downloading sources to another partition
17:52<magy>i'm sure it will install without errors
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17:54<rss>magy: I'm not. Wait an see. my current e17 tree is 866MB large
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17:54<[Megaf]>folks, on Debian kFreeBSD I should user Linux native applications or FreeBSD native applications?
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17:55<rss>magy: comppile takes about 1.5 hours.
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17:55<[Megaf]>Im asking this because I tried to run the Opera build for FreeBSD but it says bad ELF interpreter
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17:55<magy>rss: gotta buy better processor
17:55<magy>;)
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17:56<magy>or overclock
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17:56<[Megaf]>and the Linux version wont work either
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17:58<ira>hi, i'm trying to install a package using su, aptitude install but when i hit tab after aptitude for autocomplete it performs very strange...
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17:58<ira>it does not show install but the file's path....
17:58<rss>magy: sorry 2.13 GHz pentium M with Clang as compiler is good. source is 866M lots of code there. Maybe your manycore cpu is faster etc. but to completely rebuild e17 (--install) option 1.5 hours is not a problem for me.
17:59<ira>what should i do please?
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17:59<xinkill>Ira: Define strange
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17:59<Hardrockmike>o
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18:00<magy>rss: at work, i have gentoo on quad 2.5 Intel
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18:00<ira>xinkill: i press tab after "aptitude" but i cannot see the "install" comand, instead it shows the files in my hard disk
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18:00<magy>rss: and that rocks!
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18:01<ira>any help please?
18:01<xinkill>Ira: As a user you type su aptitude <tab>?
18:02<adb>ira, after "aptitude" add 'space' and then TAB
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18:02<rss>magy: at work I have 3 hpdl380 dual quadcores in a xenserver pool. please no pissing contest is needed. I'm saying my 2.13 laptop performs very well with e17. the time for a rebuild is acceptable.
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18:04<ira>no i press su, enter my root code, then after i become root i press aptitude [space] and then tab but it shows only the files in my hd
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18:04<ira>please check the following link, it describes my problem: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/aptitude-behaves-strange-827249/
18:05<ira>i rebooted but the problem persists:(
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18:06<ira>if i try to use the same command as a normal user (not root) the aptitude command behaves as it is expected to do...
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18:08<ira>please, is it a bug or something?
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18:08<rss>OK all, It's past midnight here. I need to go to bed. CU all some other time.
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18:10<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: jhutchins: So to recap, what steps should I be taking now?
18:10<magy>rss: it compiled without errors, good night
18:11<rss>magy: good night
18:11<rss>all: cul8r
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18:12<ira>please could anybody help me with the aptitude issue?
18:12<daemonkeeper>All I could think of is to replace the NIC. Alternatives include to reinstall (since you should have NIC that works out of the box, e.g. you should be able to establish an Internet connection during installation already).
18:12<themill>ira: you need to install and enable the bash-completion package.
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18:12<themill>,info bash-completion
18:12<judd>Package bash-completion (shells, standard) in squeeze/i386: programmable completion for the bash shell. Version: 1:1.2-3; Size: 135.4k; Installed: 1032k; Homepage: http://bash-completion.alioth.debian.org
18:12<xinkill>themill: Thats not the issue with ira
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18:12<daemonkeeper>jhutchins was convinced you could establish network connectivity manually before. In that case follow jhutchins hint and try to remove your network manager.
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18:13<ira>just to say that I ve just did a fresh install and the first thing i wabted is to install some packages....
18:13<ira>*wanted
18:13<xinkill>Ira: what packages and how did you wanted to install them?
18:14<ira>xinkill: with standard aptitude as always
18:14<ira>but for some peculiar reason aptitude does not respond
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18:14<themill>xinkill: umm... that sounds exactly like ira's problem, actually. bash completion is enabled for the user but not root.
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18:14<ira>themill,: how can I enable it please?
18:15<xinkill>themill: Are you sure? It's for the command she is having problems
18:15<themill>ira: how are you logging in as root
18:15<ira>themill: via su command
18:15<ira>from terminal
18:15<themill>ira: try "su -" instead of just "su"
18:16<xinkill>Ira: What if you type aptitude show gnome yourself? Gives it any error?
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18:16<ira>themill: so many thanks! what is su - anyway?
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18:17<ira>xinkill: the su - thing did the job
18:17<themill>ira: it makes it a login shell rather than just an interactive shell. That changes which of the shell startup scripts are processed and so changes whether command completion stuff is loaded.
18:17<ompaul>ira: Provide an environment similar to what the user would expect had the user logged in directly. (as root in that case) you can do su - otheruser if otheruser has an account
18:18*themill has never really found a use case for interactive non-login shells
18:18<ompaul>ira: that information is documented with much more if you type "man su" you will get the manual ;-)
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18:18<ira>themill: I hate to tell you that, but now it says to insert a disc labaled "Debian ... in my /media/CDROM
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18:19<xinkill>Ira, you need to edit your sources list
18:19<retrospectacus>hahah
18:19<ira>themill: this is the first time that this happens to me, when i try to use aptitude!
18:19<themill>ira: when you've asked it to "aptitude install some packages"
18:20<retrospectacus>excessively intelligent tab-completion for the lose :)
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18:20<xinkill>themill: If you have bash_complition you could do it with su, so you were right.
18:20<ira>themill: correct for the second time. my sources.list does not contain any repos....
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18:20<ira>themill: may I ask you please how do I enable bash_completion ???
18:21<ira>themill: just to learn it
18:21<ompaul>ira: why don't you fix your sources list
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18:22<ompaul>!dpkg tell ira about repositories
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18:22<Gev>hello, I'm trying to install sendmail, but when I try sudo apt-get install sendmail, it says The following packages have unmet dependencies:
18:22<Gev> sendmail: Depends: sendmail-bin but it is not going to be installed
18:22<Gev>E: Broken packages
18:22<themill>ira: squeeze?
18:22<ira>ompaul: that's what actually trying to do right now :)
18:22<xinkill>Ira: Easiest way: aptitude install bash-completion
18:22<ira>themill: yes squeeze, i'm trying to find what are the default repos
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18:22<themill>Gev: that's a sign that you should try using some other mta instead
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18:23<ompaul>ira: see the message from dpkg it tells you want you need
18:23<themill>dpkg: tell ira about make squeeze sources.list
18:23<ompaul>Gev: why not install postfix
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18:23<ira>!dpkg
18:23<dpkg>hmm... dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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18:24<xinkill>Isn't exim the new default on debian for the mta?
18:24<ompaul>ira: the bot has sent you a couple of private messages please read them
18:24<retrospectacus>Gev: it probably means you already have an mta
18:24<Gev>ompual: I'm trying to get a form e-mail script to work, so I need mail() to work, I found that it requires sendmail, will I be able to use postfix?
18:24<ira>!dpkg: tell ira about make squeeze sources.list
18:24<ira>ompaul: ok, thanks!
18:24<themill>ira: dpkg already told you these things. check a separate tab opened up by dpkg
18:24<Gev>retrospectacus: mta?
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18:25<xinkill>gev: mail transfer agent
18:25<retrospectacus>!mta
18:25<dpkg>[mta] Mail Transfer Agent: a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/sbin/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask me about <which mta>, <mta comparison> and <why an mta>. http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html
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18:25<xinkill>Gev: are you coding that email script in php? Or what language?
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18:26<retrospectacus>see they all provide sendmail. If installing the sendmail package is failing, you probably already have an mta that is providing sendmail (capability)
18:26<retrospectacus>not to be confusing or anthing.. :\
18:26<Gev>xinkill: I'm not coding it myself I'm using http://formtoemail.com/formtoemail_free_version.php
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18:27<Gev>retrospectacus: nah I understand, just don't remember installing one, maybe I did while installing the distro
18:27<ompaul>Gev: apt-cache policy exim
18:27<retrospectacus>!why an mta
18:27<dpkg>An MTA should be on most Unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of MySQL). The MTA does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. See also <nullmailer>.
18:27<retrospectacus>Gev: it's a rare system that doesnt have an mta
18:28<Gev>retrospectacus: even distros like ubuntu desktop come with it?
18:28<Gev>right now my distro is Debian lenny
18:28<xinkill>gev: yes
18:29<ompaul>Gev: most of the time an install will come with some kind of mail program because it wants to report what cron or something else did
18:29<Gev>ompaul: i tried that command and it says installed: (non) candidate (none)
18:30<Gev>is there anyway I can tell which sendmail app I have installed then?
18:30<ira>themill, xinkill and all thank you for kind help and your community spirit
18:30<themill>ira: no worries. Have fun with it!
18:31<ira>may I ask please, why these features (repos, auto_completion etc) are not enabled by default in Squeeze?
18:31<ompaul>ira: space is finite for an install CD
18:31<ira>I just switched from aptosid btw, in order to test the new debian
18:31<themill>ira: they are enabled by default
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18:32<ira>now i Have to find out how to enable wicd intead of network manager
18:32<ompaul>install it search and install
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18:33<ira>themill: not in my case.... maybe because I used a live hybrid image through a usb-stick, i don't know
18:33<ira>thank you so much anyway!
18:34<Gev>so is there any way I can check which sendmail app I have installed?
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18:34<themill>ira: they are part of the "standard install" but perhaps you unchecked the "standard task". It sounds like you didn't have a network connection available during installation which means that you may not have actually ended up with a standard install at the end
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18:34<streuner_>Gev: dpkg -l sendmail
18:34<themill>Gev: dpkg -S $(readlink -f /usr/sbin/sendmail)
18:35<themill>or "aptitude search ~i~Pmail-transport-agent"
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18:35<Gev>streuner_: hmm ur command states name - sendmail version - <none>
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18:35<streuner_>bzz
18:35<jordanm>that means its not "sendmail" itself
18:35<streuner_>Gev: but wth you are using sendmail?
18:35<ira>themill: I dont remember to uncheck it but I'm not sure. And I had an active network connection. Maybe I did something wrong during the install :-P
18:35<themill>Gev: streuner_ was answering a somewhat different quesiton
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18:36<Gev>streuner_: to allow a php script to use a form to send an e-mail
18:36<jordanm>streuner_: people who are unfamilar often call everything that provides /usr/lib/sendmail "sendmail"
18:36<jordanm>see!
18:36<streuner_>hm
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18:36<jordanm>I see it all the time in support tickets, references to sendmail even though we run exim
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18:37<Gev>themill: ur command outputs exim4-daemon-light, I guess that's the sendmail then huh
18:37<jordanm>Gev: its a MTA that provides /usr/sbin/sendmail, yes
18:37<themill>Gev: that's the mail-transport-agent that is providing /usr/sbin/sendmail, yes
18:38<themill>Gev: it is *not* sendmail. And that's a very good thing.
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18:38<Gev>themill: so I can configure this to work with the php command mail()?
18:38<Gev>lol
18:38<themill>Gev: you can yes
18:38<Gev>sendmail's that bad huh?
18:38<Tiff>qmail imo
18:38*Tiff runs
18:38<jordanm>it already will, but for local delivery only by default
18:38<daemonkeeper>Gev: worse than bad
18:38<xinkill>lol
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18:39<jordanm>I was a sendmail admin before my current job... not *that* bad
18:39<perrys>\exit
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18:39<streuner_>jordanm: iam sorry for that :-P
18:39<Gev>themill: just one more question and I'll try to figure the rest of configuration out myself, where is the configuration file for setting up the smtp server?
18:40<themill>!pal jordanm
18:40*dpkg points at jordanm and laughs hysterically
18:40<jordanm>streuner_: well, I downgraded on the POP/IMAP side of things... dovecot -> courier.. I think courier gives me more grief now than sendmail did
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18:40<streuner_>themill: he got his money...
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18:41<themill>Gev: run "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and set it up to pass on the email to your ISP or hoster's mail hub
18:41<Gev>themill: thanks, let me try it out, hopefully it works
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18:44<AgentC>yep, sqeeze is running, but config problemns after all, shall not be the problem. :) seems to be ok, but in menu-entry (gnome) there are doubled entries. :( but nothing unsolve-able.
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18:49<Gev>themill: damn, the configuration was actually quite confusing lol, doubt this'll work ;(
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18:49*AgentC is in harrassment, sorry, triing to solve the prob
18:51<eightyeight>i could hit up the -devel mailing list, but maybe the answer can be found here
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18:51<eightyeight>1) are services, such as openssh-server, configured to listen on localhost by default?
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18:51<eightyeight>2) would it be worth investigating not starting the services by default, and let the admin start the service post-install?
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18:54<themill>!policy-rc.d
18:54<dpkg>[policy-rc.d] a mechanism which allows you to prevent certain init scripts from being run. See http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt and <invoke-rc.d>. To disable all daemon starts and stops during package installation, use http://paste.debian.net/75816/, but note that would have consequences that you probably don't like, so tailoring it to your needs to only skip certain daemons would be advised.
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19:16<convbsd>hello there
19:16<convbsd>a question please
19:17<retrospectacus>ok
19:17<retrospectacus>what colour is blue?
19:17<convbsd>howoto install pureftpd from debian 5 ?
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19:38<pipeep>Hey, I was using debian squeeze before it was stable. Do I need to do anything with my repository configuration now that it is stable?
19:38<Tiff>no.
19:38<pipeep>kop, thx
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19:39<pipeep>*k, thx
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19:39<Tiff>Just be aware that if you were referencing "testing" in your sources.list it'll be pointing at Wheezy now rather than Squeeze.
19:39<pipeep>sorry for saying your name kop
19:39<dvs>pipeep: Well, make sure it says "squeeze" and not testing
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19:41<pipeep>Okay, looks like I'm all good
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19:43<pipeep>In that case, can anyone explain why aptitude update gives me some 404 errors? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5tED9xrJ
19:44<pipeep>my sources list is pretty vanilla, plus debian-multimedia
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19:45<jordanm>pipeep: updates come from security.debian.org, not the regular mirros
19:46<Tiff>becuz squeeze/updates is from security.debian.orgnot ftp.debian
19:46<jordanm>pipeep: looks like you have security added, but an additional line
19:46<Tiff>show sources.list
19:46<themill>!squeeze/updates
19:46<dpkg>In squeeze, there are two repositories that you should have in your sources.list aside from your main mirror. You should have an entry for "squeeze/updates" which is security updates (ask me about <security>) and also an entry for "squeeze-updates" which is other updated packages (formerly known as volatile, ask me about <squeeze-updates>).
19:47<pipeep>http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=awbD0ENA
19:47<Tiff>deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/updates main non-free contrib
19:48<Tiff>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main non-free contrib
19:48<Tiff>what it should be
19:48<Tiff>if you indeed want the sources
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19:49<fortinero>dpkg: i don't have volatile in my sources.list
19:49<dpkg>fortinero: no idea
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19:51<pipeep>Tiff, if I understand correctly, this is what it should be: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4rgZLUnW
19:52<Tiff>No, I have no idea how you deduced that it was correct to comment out the main repos based on my comments. :P
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19:53<dvs>pipeep: "deb" and "deb-src" are two different things.
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19:54<Tiff>http://paste.debian.net/106972/
19:55<Tiff>You only really need the deb-src lines if you're interested in pulling down the sources from the repos too, otherwise they're redundant also but harmless being present.
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19:56<pipeep>Thanks Tiff!
19:56<Tiff>hmmk
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20:01<wakka>i have a little problem
20:01<Tiff>!ask
20:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:04<retrospectacus>wakka wakka wakka wakka wakka
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20:06<wakka>Im trying to "apt-get install build-essential". Im running debian on a 64-bit. I get this: http://pastebin.com/QN3b5L5Y
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20:10<adb>, versions g++
20:10<judd>Package g++ on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; sid: 4:4.4.5-2; wheezy: 4:4.4.5-2; experimental: 4:4.5.1-1exp1
20:10<sret>hi
20:11<sret>for x11vnc if my server is running Sret:1 which is the display number then on my vnc viewer shouldnt it be 192.168.0.1:1 to connect?
20:11<sret>it even says on the debian box Sret:1 port 5901
20:12<adb>wakka, running which debian ?
20:12<wakka>adb: 2.6.32-5-amd64
20:12<sret>but if i try to view it from my remote machine 192.168.0.8:1 doesnt work, instead it picks up 192.168.0.8:0, my debian machine gets a popup asking if you want to refuse, if i click allow, it goes through
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20:13<adb>wakka, aptitude update + aptitude install build-essential
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20:15<adb>wakka, verify sources.list and pinning if any
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20:15<wakka>adb: http://pastebin.com/1cRSP3GB
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20:16<wakka>Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?]
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20:17<adb>wakka, youi need a proper upgrade to squeeze , and Y
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20:17<adb>dpkg, lenny->squeeze
20:17<dpkg>Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <squeeze release notes>.
20:18<wakka>after i pressed yes:
20:18<wakka>No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
20:18<wakka>0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
20:18<wakka>Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.
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20:20<adb>wakka, go for upgrade
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20:20<Tiff>,versions libc6-dev
20:20<judd>Package libc6-dev on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze-security: 2.11.2-6+squeeze1; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; wheezy: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.11.2-11
20:21<Tiff>Seems you have a Squeeze system but are trying to install from a Lenny repository?
20:22<wakka>Im new to debian, so all this is kinda difficult for me
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20:23<wakka>So, where do i start
20:23<wakka>:P
20:24<dvs>wakka: /etc/apt/sources.list
20:24<Tiff>wakka: How did you install Debian? From which medium? Have you adjusted /etc/apt/sources.list since? What's the contents of that file?
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20:25<wakka>dvs: im in there
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20:25<dvs>paste the contents in pastebin
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20:26<fortinero>it's volatile working?
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20:26<wakka>Tiff: I did a netinstall, and yes i adjusted list. I actually did it 2 times. So this is the current one. http://pastebin.com/W6cyxESW
20:27<Tiff>wakka: did you try and upgrade to Squeeze?
20:27<wakka>no
20:27<Julinux>I Need Help
20:28<Julinux>Please
20:28<dvs>!ask
20:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:28<Tiff>wakka: What's the output of: cat /etc/issue
20:28<wakka>Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l
20:29<Tiff>Okay, you have a Squeeze system but Lenny sources.
20:29<Tiff>O.o
20:29<wakka>that dont sound good :P
20:30<dvs>wakka: just change "lenny" to "squeeze"
20:30<Julinux>I need the original sources.list Squeeze
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20:30<adb>Julinux, lust read up ...
20:30<adb>just*
20:30<wakka>Tiff: just replace in list?
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20:31<dvs>in sources.list
20:31<Tiff>http://paste.debian.net/106973/
20:31<Tiff>that should be your sources.list
20:31<dvs>Tiff: who?
20:32<Julinux>thank's
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20:32<Tiff>Err, Julinux that's not directed at you sorry. Was aimed at wakka.
20:33<dvs>It would work for him too (if he lived in Sweden)
20:33<retrospectacus>it's about right for Julinux but swedish, will still work tho
20:33<Tiff>Yeah would still work but replace the swedish mirror with whatever you want :P
20:33<retrospectacus>(change se to your country code)
20:33<wakka>Tiff: Ok, i got it done it list.
20:33<wakka>in *
20:34<Tiff>okay issue aptitude update and try install build-essential now
20:35<Julinux>I Don't Understanding English
20:35<Julinux>I'm Speak Portuguese
20:35<amphi>!pt
20:35<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
20:35<wakka>Tiff...
20:35<Julinux>dpkg ninguém responde la
20:35<dpkg>i haven't a clue, Julinux
20:35<Julinux>=/
20:35<wakka>i think you just solved my problem
20:35<retrospectacus>Julinux: the sources list http://paste.debian.net/106973/ is good for squeeze but it is Swedish.
20:35<wakka>that i have been trying to solve for like 5 hours
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20:36<Tiff>wakka: hmmk
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20:36<retrospectacus>!beer wakka
20:36*dpkg pours a litre of Spaten Optimator for wakka
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20:36<andreiberceanu>hi guys, how can i crop out parts of an mpeg video using command line?
20:36<retrospectacus>andreiberceanu, mencoder
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20:37<wakka>I dont know how to thank you guys
20:38<wakka>saved my day
20:38<wakka>and night...
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20:38<retrospectacus>just keep kicking ass
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20:38<wakka>really nice of yall to take your time
20:38<wakka>thnx alot!
20:38<retrospectacus>as you can see, it's a community distro
20:39<sret>anyone has an idea what i asked?
20:40<retrospectacus>sret specify port 5901 on your client
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20:40<sret>retrospectacus: i wasnt doing that before
20:41<sret>all i had to do was 192.168.0.8:1 on tightvnc viewer to view my debian box
20:41<andreiberceanu>retrospectacus: tnx :)
20:41<sret>its somehow switched it to :0 now
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20:41<sret>it works for :0 but the x11vnc server says the display is :1 and port 5901
20:43<retrospectacus>specify port 5901 on your client
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20:44<retrospectacus>:0 is on 5900 which is the client default
20:44<sret>thats right
20:44<sret>it works on :0 but not :1
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20:46<sret>tightvncviewer doesnt have a way to specify the port, im just doing this between local machines, if you mean listening mode: accep reverse connections on TCP port : 5901?
20:46<sret>that doesnt work
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20:47<retrospectacus>hmm I don't know then, sorry
20:47<sret>im nt understanding this for some odd reason, x11vnc server says VNC desktop is Sret:1
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20:48<sret>port 5901
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20:48<sret>in my iptables i allowed for 5901 and in my tightvncviewer i tried to connect to 192.168.0.8:1, it errors out says " error loading local screen image"
20:49<sret>now if i switched it to 5900 in iptables and then tried connecting from my windows machine using 192.168.0.8:0, it connects, the debian box gets a popup asking if you want to refuse or allow, allow, and it works
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20:52<sret>interesting if i kill xllvnc server , my remote machine doesnt close
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20:53<sret>oh so i guess this is because there's two displays? X and for VNC?
20:55<sret>retrospectacus: guess what if this helps anything i dont need to run x11vnc on my debian box, the windows machine can view my linux desktop by just connecting to 192.168.0.8:0
20:57<retrospectacus>sorry mate, I don't really know about that and it's time for me to go
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20:58<sret>ok
20:58<sret>np
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21:27<yk>debian owns
21:27<sney>word.
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21:39<mohd>hye u all..
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21:39<lwwl>hey to u
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21:41<fireman112>why after bios and bios ,there's manu text lines on my screen?
21:42<fireman112>why after bios and grub ,there's manu text lines on my screen?
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21:42<nevyn>fireman112: you mean the grub 2nd stage or something else?
21:42<lwwl>Is there one of you speak Arabic
21:43<fireman112>yes nevyn
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21:44<fireman112>which soft should i install to ?
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21:46<fireman112>how2 use image instead of text lines?
21:47<fireman112>like ubuntu booting
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21:47<tom4golf>[6~[6~[5~
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21:48<amphi>lwwl: #debian-lb on irc.freenode.net perhaps
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21:49<nevyn>fireman112: or are you talking about the kernel boot log scrolling up the screen?
21:49<Talon^>im running 6.0 squeeze stable and i'm trying to change my desktop background.. if i goto system > preferences > appearance I get 'could not launch appearance, faiiled to execute child proces "gnome-appearance-properties" no such file or directory.... I searched in synaptic and aptitude for that name and nothing comes up.
21:49<nevyn>fireman112: is that menu text lines or is it many text lines?
21:49<lwwl>~ amphi ??
21:50<amphi>lwwl: that is an arabic debian channel, I believe
21:50<lwwl>thank my freend kiss fur u
21:51<rozzin>Is there an example of what Squeeze looks like, somewhere on debian.org?
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21:56<amphi>rozzin: it can look however you like
21:57<fireman112>I mean the boot log ,which i can see use the command "dmesg". i want to see boot gif/image like the Ubuntu
21:57<fireman112>which deb should I install?
21:58<rozzin>amphi: I know--I've been at this a while :)
21:58<meebey>Talon^: you are missing the gnome-control-center package then
21:58<Talon^>cool thx
21:58<rozzin>amphi: you know what I mean, though?
21:59<meebey>Talon^: how have you installed? from CD?
21:59<rozzin>It's a question that people ask.
21:59<amphi>rozzin: gnome?
21:59<rozzin>And there was a screenshot of Lenny, on the front page.
21:59<Talon^>it worked fine up until i tried to remove epiphany, evolution, and iceweasel.. was trying to clean out stuff i won't use
22:00<rozzin>amphi: with spacefun.
22:00<rozzin>amphi: Right.
22:00<Talon^>i didn't realize it relies on evolution
22:00<Talon^>i thought evolution was just email
22:00<meebey>Talon^: it wants to install evolution again?
22:01<Talon^>eh theres a couple evoluution things in there
22:02<nevyn>fireman112: startupmanager to configure it.
22:02<nevyn>fireman112: you also probably want splashy and usplash-theme-debian
22:02<rozzin>If I put "spacefun" into the search box, I can go find some draft release-imagery with screenshots in the wiki.
22:03<fireman112>ok , I remembered the "splachy" soft, thank you nevyn!
22:03<amphi>rozzin: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/SpaceFun ?
22:04<meebey>Talon^: control center needs evolution-data-server, but thats not evolution only a backend component of it
22:04<amphi>rozzin: perhaps http://www.unixmen.com/news-today/1499-debian60-squeeze-is-released-with-screenshots-tour is more what your questioners seek
22:04<rozzin>amphi: Right.
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22:06<rozzin>Wikipedia to the rescue, I guess.
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22:07<Talon^>you lookin for just a desktop screenshot?
22:08<rozzin>Yow, I guess this year actually marks a decade with Debian for me.
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22:08<Talon^>http://talon.linux.sh/squeeze.png <== my screenshot of debian after boot (clean install)
22:10<Talon^>removed a couple launchers and added one in the bottom left for a terminal but other than that, its the basic desktop
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22:13<katsrc>is there a way i can browse backports?
22:14<rozzin>Talon^: Yeah, baiscally; I'm looking for an answer to give people when they ask me `what does Debian look like?', because Ubuntu and Mint Windows and Mac OS and everyone else provide that :\
22:14<Talon^>its gnome 2.30.2 just like ubuntu, and mint.
22:14<taea00>Hello I'm trying to use nomachine nx with a new Squeeze set up and I keep getting the error operation timeout in communication with ssh server. I've verified that I can get into the laptop through ssh using putty, but I can't get nx to function properly. Can anyone help please?
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22:14<Talon^>in my opinion tho, its LOADS better than ubuntu 10.04, I have 1/2 the background processes (in a top)
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22:15<Talon^>i have 109 running in debian squeeze, i have 213 running in Ubuntu 10.04
22:15<rozzin>Well, Debian has Spacefun.
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22:16<meebey>rozzin: thats a good point, a co-worker of me upgraded to squeeze about 2 months ago and last week I saw his logon screen (gdm) and desktop and asked with surprising voice: that is squeeze?
22:16<Talon^>debian doesn't include 10,000 useless packages you'll prolly never use like ubuntu... its kinda nice for end-users cause most stuff just 'works' on ubuntu, but debians not that different, heck ubuntu's debian based so they're really alike, I just think ubuntu's bloatware trying to please everyone.
22:16<rozzin>Like, the answer to `what does Ubuntu look like?' is, `aubergine'.
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22:17<rozzin>meebey: Your co-worker didn't like spacefun?
22:18<nevyn>Talon^: huh?
22:18<meebey>rozzin: and its not like I am new to debian (as DD I use it pretty often) but I had never seen a "squeeze desktop"
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22:18<nevyn>debian does include 10,000 packages most of which you won't install
22:18<rozzin>meebey: Oh, *you* were the one saying that. I see :)
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22:18<Talon^>i meant include to install on a base installation
22:18<amphi>I can't say I care much for 'spacefun' - insufficiently dismal
22:18<meebey>rozzin: yeah
22:19<Talon^>sure the repos tend to have almost identical packages, i just meant ubuntu installs a TON more for a basic system clean install than squeeze
22:19<rozzin>I caught some of the, uh... heated debate over spacefun.
22:20<rozzin>My reaction was, `Spacefun looks infinitely more professional than Windows XP'.
22:20<Talon^>I'm not complaining, i actually like the minimal ammount of processes squeeze runs on a clean install
22:20<meebey>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/SpaceFun
22:21<nevyn>Talon^: nope.. ubuntu has way less packages than debian. unless you're counting universe.
22:21*rozzin sighs.
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22:21*meebey likes the spacefun theme
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22:21<rozzin>nevyn: www.hackerposse.com/~rozzin/weblog/unmaintained-packages-you-use.html
22:21*nevyn likes spacefun.
22:21<nevyn>rozzin: that looks like a depressing place to go. so I'm choosing not to go there.
22:22<taea00>Hello I'm trying to use nomachine nx with a new Squeeze set up and I keep getting the error operation timeout in communication with ssh server. I've verified that I can get into the laptop through ssh using putty, but I can't get nx to function properly. Can anyone help please?
22:22<rozzin>nevyn: Basically, `you can't count universe'.
22:22<rozzin>I guess I should bring that up on #debian-ubuntu.
22:22<nevyn>rozzin: oh right that's what I figgured which leads to my conclusion there is more stuff in debian than in ubuntu.
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22:23<nevyn>rozzin: but somewhat paradoxically more stuff is installed by the ubuntu installer than by the debian installer which is what Talon^ was saying ment that ubuntu was bigger than debian.
22:24<alonza>hello
22:24<alonza>is anyone able to help me with the desktop cube efect?
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22:24<bja>!tell alonza about ask
22:24<Talon^>the only thing i like about ubuntu over debian is their install cd has an option boot no-install so you can check it out before you fully commit to installing.. which is no biggie tho I just used virtualbox to test it out for now, i'm about to blow away ubuntu tho cause i'm quite pleased with squeeze
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22:25<alonza>when i try to install the desktop cune effect i get the msg i dont have the plug in
22:25<alonza>how do i get the plug in and activate the desktop cube?
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22:26<Talon^>compiz-fusion-plugins-main ? or is it -extra? one of them has desktop cube
22:26<kop>alonza: aptitude search compbiz? (??)
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22:27<alonza>i have the compbiz yes
22:27<Talon^>but did you also install the plugins?
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22:27<alonza>are they inh the software center?
22:27<kop>alonza: Then you need more compiz related stuff. Tell aptitude to show you what exists. (Or use synaptic.)
22:27<kop>alonza: Are you running Debian?
22:28<Talon^>yea i use synaptic package manager. I like gui tool over aptitude console based :)
22:28<alonza>yes debian 6
22:28<alonza>squeeze
22:29<alonza>do i need to install synaptic?
22:29<kop>alonza: Synaptic is the gui software installation manager.
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22:30<alonza>ok i have it open now
22:30<Talon^>what synaptic?
22:30<alonza>synaptic package manager (as supervior
22:30<alonza>)
22:31<kop>alonza: Someone may be able to help you, but it is much easier for us to support the command line because we can tell you what to type rather than telling you what the screen looks like and _then_ what to do, repeatedly.
22:31<alonza>i will open the terminal then np
22:31<alonza>terminal open i typed sudo
22:32<Talon^>you could do a quicksearch for compiz and look for stuff in the list like compiz-plugins compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra (theres also a compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported which has stuff like snowy desktop)
22:32<kop>alonza: (And I find that if you learn the command line then things don't change, so your effort has long-term rewards. The gui changes constantly because no one yet knows how to do a good one.)
22:32<alonza>o i c
22:32<rozzin>Speaking of spacefun..., I want that T-shirt.
22:33<alonza>i am ready when yall are :)
22:33<kop>alonza: So type: aptitude search compiz and see if anything promising comes up. Then "aptitude show WHATEVER" to see more detail. Then "aptitude install WHATEVER" to try it out.
22:33<kop>alonza: You may need to logout and back into the gui after install, or not. I'm not familiar with compiz.
22:33<alonza>ok
22:33<meebey>rozzin: I had the same thought
22:34<Talon^>nah, just fire up a terminal and do compiz --replace &
22:34<alonza>is there a comand to install them all at once?
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22:36<bja>How long will volatile keep on going. Since it is no longer needed on squeeze?
22:36<kop>alonza: You could list each on the command line. You can use cut and paste with the mouse. Hilighting copies, middle button pastes.
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22:36<rozzin>Is there someplace where I should expect to find Debian merchandise like that?
22:36<kop>alonza: (all on one command line.)
22:36<alonza>error i think it says it could not get lock?
22:37<kop>alonza: That usually means you are not root, but could mean you have synaptic open or some other process that can install software.
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22:37<alonza>Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.
22:37<alonza>it said that .....
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22:38<bones_was_here>hi, when using GPT partition tables with the debian installer, what exactly does the "reserve bios boot area" option do? it doesn't seem to achieve the same as doing http://grub.enbug.org/BIOS_Boot_Partition manually, but is it meant to achieve the same thing?
22:38<alonza>it saysd i am supervisor how do i become root?
22:38<alonza>root Fish3r
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22:40<alonza>if i go and download the whole eight dvd set will have all this automatically?
22:40<alonza>i only used the dvd 1
22:40<kop>alonza: No. You'll still have to install.
22:40<alonza>ok
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22:41<DennisTheTiger>I'm attempting to do an 'aptitude safe-upgrade' and ensure that the Picasa client is not going to break - however, when I update, aptitude seems to want to complete a distribution upgrade. The problem is that all lines in my sources.list reflect 'lenny', but for some reason, 'apt-cache policy' shows a couple of repos updating to Squeeze. I've put both in a pastebin at http://paste.debian.net/106985/. What's a working solutio
22:41<DennisTheTiger>n to this problem without completing the update to Squeeze on this partition?
22:41<alonza>i have a # after my name aint that a sign i am root?
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22:41<kop>alonza: If you installed from dvd you need to change your sources.list to get stuff from the net so you have access to everything. (This is why we recommend the netinstall, among other reasons.)
22:41<DennisTheTiger>alonza: Yes.
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22:41<bones_was_here>DennisTheTiger: do you have any files in /apt/sources.list.d ?
22:41<alonza>how do i change hat kop?
22:41<DennisTheTiger>bones_was_here: Lemme look...
22:41<kop>alonza: You know how to use a text editor?
22:42<bones_was_here>DennisTheTiger: err /etc/apt/sources.list.d sorry
22:42<DennisTheTiger>bones_was_here: Yeah, was gonna say =D
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22:42<DennisTheTiger>I do. google-chrome.list and apt-spy.list
22:43<DennisTheTiger>oooOOOOOOoooh!
22:43<alonza>kop: i am pretty savvy man but i am honestly new to debian...i have used ubuntu at work for getting around user passwords only really. i am a tech at a computer store. but honestly i am a noob to linux :/
22:43<alonza>but i can follow instructions welll and understand
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22:44<bones_was_here>DennisTheTiger: also remember that if you've previously used 'stable' as the dist for your /etc/apt/sources.list, stable will now point to squeeze where previously it pointed to lenny
22:44<kop>alonza: No worries. Ask here. So, can you in debian? If so edit /etc/apt/sources.list. See mirrors.debian.org for a list of mirrors.
22:44<kop>!tell alonza about mirrors
22:44<kop>alonza: Oops, see the factoid for the url.
22:44<DennisTheTiger>bones_was_here: Check the pastebin, primary sources.list points to lenny
22:44<kop>alonza: If not, use synaptic to change your software source.
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22:45<kop>alonza: also: man sources.list
22:45<DennisTheTiger>bones_was_here: I am guessing that the best course of action is to yank apt-spy which I have now done?
22:45<kop>!tell alonza about sources.list
22:46<bones_was_here>DennisTheTiger: i havn't used apt-spy (my isp provides a nice mirror), but maybe it needs some config changes when there's a new stable release? other than that i can't see where you're getting squeeze stuff from
22:47<kop>alonza: I can't remember if I've told you this, but the overview factoid can come in handy.
22:47<DennisTheTiger>bones_was_here: Yep. This said, how do I fix this? apt-get update still has apt-cache policy pointing to 6.0 - I'd like to change this. =)
22:47<kop>!tell alonza about overview
22:48<bones_was_here>DennisTheTiger: whats in /etc/apt/apt.conf ?
22:48<DennisTheTiger>bones_was_here: No such file.
22:48<DennisTheTiger>I have /etc/apt/apt.conf.d, it's a directory.
22:48<alonza>i keep getiting the following msg...
22:48<alonza>Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.
22:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 474] by debhelper
22:49<kop>alonza: Did you "aptitude update"?
22:49<alonza>yes
22:49<alonza>that one did something that worked i think
22:49<bones_was_here>DennisTheTiger: the two files in there by default _shouldn't_ cause you any issues... i really can't see where you're getting the
22:49<bones_was_here>http://mirror.peer1.net stable/main Packages
22:49<bones_was_here>release v=6.0,o=Debian,a=stable,l=Debian,c=main :(
22:49<kop>alonza: Pastebin your sources.list, and tell us exactly what you typed to get that message.
22:49<kop>!tell alonza about pastebinit
22:50<DennisTheTiger>bones_was_here: mirror.peer1.net was generated by apt-spy as the fastest possible mirror. (Do apt-cache show apt-spy)
22:51<DennisTheTiger>Lemme try something...
22:51<bones_was_here>DennisTheTiger: what's in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/apt-spy.list ?
22:51<katsrc>if i compile iceweasel 4 from source, does that mean i have to upgrade the dependencies as well?
22:51<DennisTheTiger>For what it's worth, that sources.list.d directory has a file pointing there. I've just commented the lines to see what happens.
22:52<DennisTheTiger>deb http://mirror.peer1.net/debian/ stable main #contrib non-free (as well as other lines)
22:52<DennisTheTiger>Commenting seems to have done the job.
22:52<bones_was_here>ah thats where its coming from then
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22:52<kop>alonza: There's also #debian at irc.freenode.net, but most in the know are in both this and that.
22:52<DennisTheTiger>Yep.
22:52<bones_was_here>if you change 'stable' to 'lenny' (or 'oldstable') it'll work again...
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22:53<alonza>thanks kop man i appreciate it
22:53<DennisTheTiger>bones_was_here: Just commented the line - the primary file points to a server at MIT.
22:53<DennisTheTiger>...aaaand Chrome is updating, as is a lib. Thanks, bones_was_here !
22:54<bones_was_here>DennisTheTiger: personally i always use the release names in my sources.list* files/directories, that way new releases don't affect the way my system is configured
22:56<DennisTheTiger>bones_was_here: That's the policy that I tend to use - a new policy I'm going to use, though, is "don't use apt-spy"
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23:04<nandani>hellooooo
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23:05<lwwl>welcome
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23:05<lwwl>< sleeping
23:06<nandani>r u sleeping?
23:06<nandani>ok.......so sorry
23:07<rozzin>OK, time to prepare my Debian release-party cake....
23:07<Hydroxide>rozzin: those are yummy. squeeze is conducive to very good desserts :)
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23:11<nandani>i am leaving........byeeeeee
23:11<nandani>take ur time to prepare it.. yummy cake.....
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23:26<warren>hi there have a folder have a little lock in the corner how can i get it off
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23:29<yijun>help
23:29<yijun>q
23:29<planet8>So xscreensaver is part of squeeze and having installed all the extra etc I still can't see the famous matrix screensaver that should be a part of xscreensaver. As a matter of fact a whole bunch is missing. Anyone who knows why that is?
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23:30<craigevil>planet8: did you also install xscreensaver-gl
23:31<chuix>i'm on bt4
23:31<bones_was_here>i dont think its in xscreensaver-gl, i have that installed but i dont have any matrix screensavers...
23:31<planet8>craigevil, yes
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23:31<chuix>but i do not use screen saver
23:31<bones_was_here>blank screensaver + DPMS off ftw :p
23:32<planet8>I think it used to be in extra
23:32<craigevil>xmatrix is in xscreensaver-data-extra
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23:33<planet8>hmm, I just looked in /usr/lib/xscreensaver and it is indeed there.. It's just not showing up in KDE system settings
23:34<planet8>..unless you run it as root!
23:34<planet8>Wonder who decided that.
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23:35<craigevil>do you also have kscreensaver-xsavers installed?
23:35<planet8>yes
23:36<sney>I used to use xmatrix when I lived in a dorm, everyone thought I was a hacker!
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23:36<planet8>all the screen savers shows up once you start system settings as root.. gonna file a bug report on that.
23:37<craigevil>its an upstream kde4 bug, that has been there since kde4 first came out
23:37<planet8>craigevil, ahh.. okay thanks!
23:37<luis> hello every body good night to you all i really need your help i can't update my system i got this on console: http://pastebin.com/1SJ4rb6M
23:37<luis>[22:35] <luis> can anyone help me please to fix it i haven't been able to install flash and java because of that
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23:39<craigevil>luis: edit your sources.list and comment out that server
23:39<pipe>something preventing you to install flash and java is a very good thing IMHO :)
23:39<tash>agree
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23:39<craigevil>or change the country code to a diff server
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23:40<craigevil>hey now no flash no pron :p
23:41<luis>wich server?
23:41<luis>let me show you my repositories
23:43<luis>http://pastebin.com/8qGDEw7d
23:43<luis>these are my repositories
23:43<luis>what do i have to change in there?
23:45<craigevil>try commenting the cd and the mx lines, then run aptitude update
23:45<luis>ok
23:45<luis>let's see
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23:47<luis>is there any like a list to put in the repos, cause i have been reading awhile and some posts says that once squeeze is iinstalled i should change my repos list is this true? where do i find the right list?
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23:47<sney>luis: those posts are probably outdated, the only change you might make is to add a local mirror
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23:48<luis>ok
23:48<luis>that's where all started
23:48<sney>yeah
23:48<luis>i mess with that because of those posts
23:49<sney>I can't reach ftp.mx.debian.org either
23:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 480] by debhelper
23:49<sney>it must just be down
23:49<luis>i think so
23:49<sney>looks like it's based in UNAM
23:49<luis>but what about the multimedia repo?
23:49<sney>oh, dmm? well that's just optional if you want it
23:49<luis>i try and try differents but none of them work
23:49<luis>so i haven't been able to put a multimedia repo
23:50<luis>ok i see
23:50<sney>a lot of repositories are probably being hit hard since the release was only this week
23:50<dvs>lenny is no longer in multimedia
23:50<sney>he's got squeeze, dvs
23:50<luis>i have squeeze
23:50<luis>love it :)
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23:50<luis>kde by the way
23:51<luis>fast reliable till i mess with the repos :S
23:51<sney>haha well that is unam's fault, call them up and ask them que pasa
23:51<sney>I can't reach their servers at all
23:51<luis>probably
23:52<luis>is like i did got upset with this guys fron EPSON
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23:53<luis>i did wrote them asking them to do something about their lack of support ofr us with their products and they told me that i should switch to windows or mac
23:53<luis>instead of doing something about no wonder why are going down
23:53<sney>haha, yeah, we hear that one a lot
23:53<h>I have a dumb question about the terminal in squeeze, when I try to make it's background transparent it won't work. Stupid question I know. Any advice.
23:53<sney>h: there are no stupid questions, only stupid users. anyway, which terminal is it?
23:54<h>bash
23:54<sney>which terminal emulator, I mean. the default gnome? kde?
23:55<h>yes, the default gnome. but I don't know if it's gnome because it doesn't have this problem is say ubuntu for instance.
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23:56<craigevil>luis: try changing the country code to nl or use the kernel.org repo, you can use a mirror that is closer to you
23:56<luis>i see
23:56<luis>well at this moment i am waiting for console to finish installing java
23:57<craigevil>luis: see http://www.debian.org/mirror/list
23:57<luis>then i will comment those lines CRAIGEVIL told me to and then i will see that as well :)
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23:59<luis>about that CRAIG i do that on the Software Sources right?
23:59<sney>h: hmm, maybe check the bug reports to see if anyone's reported the same behaviour. it uses fake transparency so it should Just Work
23:59<craigevil>you can or just edit /etc/apt/sources.list in a text editor as root
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23:59<luis>ok
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