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---Logopened Wed Feb 09 00:00:03 2011
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00:00<luis>don't want to mess again with my repos :S
00:00<sney>luis: you did it right before, the servers were just down
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00:01<luis>oooh thanks
00:01<luis>than fu%$&$& mirror was their fault not mine :)
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00:02<luis>where those that "nl" code comes from?
00:02<luis>is that in europe?
00:03<craigevil>nl=netherlands usually faster than 'us'
00:04<luis>but will that work for me even thou i am in México?
00:04<craigevil>yes works for me in the US, funny that it is faster for me than using 'us'
00:05<craigevil>you might also try using a local mirror at a university close to you
00:05<julinux>I need help
00:05<luis>that's the one WNEY was talking about UNAM and is down
00:06<luis>i think i will wtay with your choice CRAIG
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00:07<julinux>My sources.list
00:07<craigevil>you could also try costa rica > or Nicaragua
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00:09<luis>you see the one you told me didn work
00:09<craigevil>julinux: mine :) although the only ones in use on my lappy are sid, exp and dmm
00:10<luis>i got this:
00:13<luis>i just did it from console and it got worst:
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00:18<julinux>I am not able to upgrade to Wheezy
00:18<julinux>Please, I Need Help
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00:19<luis>so any idea?
00:20<luis>apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
00:21<luis>i am still trying to install java
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00:22<luis>so is there a way to fix my issue with the updating?
00:23<craigevil>yes pick a server that is working :)
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00:28<craigevil>luis: try using deb squeeze main contrib non-free super secret geek mirror :P
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00:32<luis>looks like is working now
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00:47<bin-bash>has anyone used the gobi 2000 3g module on a debian device?
00:47<gsimmons>dpkg: gobi 2000
00:47<dpkg>[gobi 2000] The Qualcomm Gobi 2000 is a Wireless Wide Area Network (WWAN) Mini PCIe adapter (USB-IDs 05c6:9204, 05c6:9205), found in some Lenovo <ThinkPad> models. This device is supported in Debian kernel images by the qcserial driver since linux-2.6 2.6.32-16 (BTS #585661). Firmware is required (amss.mbn, apps.mbn, UQCN.mbn), ask me about <gobi-loader>.
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00:48<cjhmdm>anyone know how to get ICQ qorking with pidgin on debian squeeze?
00:49<bin-bash>thank you gsimmons
00:50<cjhmdm>here:s the error I get in squeeze when trying to connect to icq through pidgin: Received unexpected response from Ok
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00:52<bin-bash>if i use a 3g module, how can i get auto-dial capabilities in debian?
00:52<bin-bash>i.e., i want debian to dial out (automatically, but) only when a network connection is required
00:53<bin-bash>i understand that android uses pppd to this
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00:55<Talon^>hows come gksu doesn't use my sudoers file? I looked at my synaptic launcher and it had "su-to-root -X -c /path/to/synaptic", since its my machine and i'm the only user i don't want to be bothered entering roots password all the time.. if I change it to gksu it still asks, if i change it to gksudo it works flawlessly, comes up without askin for a password.
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01:05<sney>Talon^: because it uses su, not sudo.
01:08<Talon^>testing branch i modified a policy file in /usr/share/polkit-1/actions but its gone now in stable 6.0
01:08<Talon^>oh well, gksudo is fine with me, it works
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01:37<prem> /msg dpkg squeeze
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01:38<valdyn>bin-bash: im not sure that makes sense
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01:39<Dirtyfrench>how do i reset the network settings from command line ?
01:39<Dirtyfrench>they are manual right now on the wrong settings i want to make them automatic (dhcp)
01:41<bin-bash>valdyn: which part does not make sense?
01:41<valdyn>bin-bash: the "dial on demand"
01:42<bin-bash>hmm... okay. maybe i am missing something
01:42<valdyn>bin-bash: im not sure how 3g network tethering works though
01:42<bin-bash>how does the n900 handle 3g connectivity
01:43<valdyn>bin-bash: but it might be that the link is power managed by the device anyway, so you dont need dial on demand from the computer side
01:43<bin-bash>aah, okay
01:43<valdyn>bin-bash: you have time based billing?
01:44<bin-bash>its possible i might. i want to be prepared
01:44<bin-bash>let's say i use a gobi 2000 3g module with proper drivers and firmware
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01:45<bin-bash>let's say i hit the power-off button (like on the phone)
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01:46<bin-bash>does that disconnect the 3g data connection?
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01:46<bin-bash>i am building a field service solution (on a debian rugged tablet)
01:47<valdyn>bin-bash: you should ask the phone server company how they bill time-based
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01:47<valdyn>bin-bash: i know for sure that the vodafone software shipped with windows has no notion of time based billing or dial on demand
01:48<valdyn>bin-bash: shipped *for* windows
01:48<valdyn>bin-bash: rather, no notion of hang up on demand
01:48<valdyn>bin-bash: dialing is automagic
01:49<bin-bash>okay, the billing isn't an issue. i want a reliable 3g connection.
01:49<valdyn>bin-bash: pppd can do it all
01:50<bin-bash>that can be powered off and on
01:50<valdyn>bin-bash: including dial on demand if you need that
01:50<bin-bash>are the standard pppd scripts sufficient or would i have to write some
01:51<valdyn>bin-bash: tias
01:52<bin-bash>okay, thanks, valdyn, i'll do that.
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01:55<Dirtyfrench>could anyone help me fix my network card under debian please ?
01:55<Dirtyfrench>it works under ubuntu (not before install is finished tho)
01:55<Dirtyfrench>somehow under debian its not working
01:55<Dirtyfrench>i dont have a gui installed
01:58<devil>Dirtyfrench: you probably need firmware for it
01:59<Dirtyfrench>how do i find out what the card is ?
01:59<Dirtyfrench>its an old machine
01:59<Dirtyfrench>card is in the mn
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02:00<devil>Dirtyfrench: lspci -nn will tell you
02:02<Dirtyfrench>k so its a via vt6102 ima try to find how to get it working
02:04<devil>could you paste the whole line please
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02:06<Dirtyfrench>1 sc
02:07<Dirtyfrench>00:12.0 Ethernet controller [0200] Via technologies, inc. VT6102 [RHINE-II] [1106:3065] (rev 70)
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02:11<devil>far as i an see, it should just work, once configured. does ifconfig see it?
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02:12<Dirtyfrench>how do i know if it sees it ?
02:13<jm_>run /sbin/ifconfig -a
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02:15<Dirtyfrench>and what do you need to know from this screen ?
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02:16<prem>hi all.,does anyone know the maximum harddisk supported by squeeze kernel..
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02:17<Dirtyfrench>depends on the fs i believe
02:17<prem>with respect to RAM i found it is detecting upto 4GB
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02:17<prem>but what about the harddisk..?
02:17<robert>Never buy anything asus
02:17<Dirtyfrench>ext4 goes way beyond current harddisks
02:17<prem>Dirtyfrench, okey so if it is ext3 ?
02:18<robert>they're a terrible company
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02:19<Dirtyfrench>so no disk are bigger than whats supported
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02:19<prem>thanks Dirtyfrench thats gret to hear .. 32tb is real good deal
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02:20<Dirtyfrench>well devil you have an idea of what i should do ?
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02:22<devil>prem: not the fs is the problem, but the partitioning tools
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02:23<devil>prem: 2 TB is ok, 3 TB is a problem iirc. please investigate on it though, i didnt dive too deep into this yet
02:24<Dirtyfrench>i installed 64TB vHD at work
02:24<Dirtyfrench>in ext4
02:24<jm_>Dirtyfrench: does it list eth*?
02:24<devil>Dirtyfrench: where did you buy the 64 TB disk?
02:24<Dirtyfrench>its a dell equalogic of 48 2tb disks
02:24<jm_>so it works but is probably unconfigured, check the other things it lists
02:25<prem>devil, i am going to install it in 2tb harddisk only..but lenny had issues in identifying the whole harddisk space
02:25<Dirtyfrench>linux sees it as one big storage
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02:25<devil>Dirtyfrench: that does not cover the problem prem has
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02:25<prem>thats why want to confirm now..whether squeeze will detect the whole harddisk or not
02:25<Dirtyfrench>well biggest disks on market are currently supported
02:25<jm_>prem: 2T is the limit where you need to use GPT for boot support
02:25<prem>jm_, GPT .?
02:26<Dirtyfrench>rly ?
02:26<dpkg>GPT (GUID Partition Table) is a disk partition format frequently used by firmware compliant with the Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI). util-linux-ng's <fdisk> does not support GPT, ask me about <parted>.
02:26<devil>Dirtyfrench: please do not spread wrong info, thxx
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02:26<prem>i use default squeeze install dvd where parted is used to parition tables
02:26<Dirtyfrench>yeah but you dont have to use GPT
02:27<devil>prem: from all i know, 2 TB is ok
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02:27<prem>okey devil thats enough for me time being..
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02:27<prem>but in future if am getting a larger harddisk say 10tb then.,squeeze will detect it rite..?
02:28<jm_>2T ext3 works fine, but it probably makes sense to ensure your partitions are aligned correctly
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02:29<devil>prem: you will maybe have to upgrade your partitioning tools for that uin the future
02:30<Dirtyfrench> interesting
02:30<Dirtyfrench>we used red hat that might be why we got to 64tb
02:30<devil>not sure though if 10 TB will be available in squeeze lifecycle
02:30<Dirtyfrench>it already is
02:30<prem>devil, i will not install any OS in that10tb hardisk.,just for storage that case also do i need to upgrade..?
02:30<Dirtyfrench>just by messing with it
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02:31<devil>prem: i would get current info when you hold the disk in your hands
02:32<Dirtyfrench>right now the disk works you just cant boot on a 3tb partition from debian vanilla
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02:33<jm_>2T is no problem even with lenny, works fine for me
02:33<Dirtyfrench>anyway seams like i aint getting my network to work with debian :(
02:34<devil>what is the problrem if you have a eth* device?
02:34<Dirtyfrench>its not connected
02:34<devil>well, it wants a bit of configuring
02:35<Dirtyfrench>what ?
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02:37<Dirtyfrench>what can i configure here devil ?
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02:38<Dirtyfrench>my /etc/network/interfaces is set : auto eth0 / iface eth0 inet dhcp
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02:51<jm_>so maybe it doesn't get a DHCP offer
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02:55<Dirtyfrench>it does
02:55<Dirtyfrench>its a problem in debian
02:55<Dirtyfrench>im reading about it
02:55<Dirtyfrench>i guess ima have to go with ubuntu or arch
02:56<socialist>perhaps you could tell us where you read the problem
02:56<Dirtyfrench>broken under anydebian kernel
02:56<Dirtyfrench>is what it sais
02:58<socialist>ok, let me try to help you resolve the issue
02:58<socialist>could you please paste the result of running ifconfig as root
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02:58<socialist>please paste it on or other pastebin
02:59<Dirtyfrench>all of it ?
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03:01<socialist>only eth0 part needed. you may paste them all, though
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03:04<Dirtyfrench> machine dosent have internet and no GUI so i cant paste the text
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03:04<Dirtyfrench>ill brb need to smoke
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03:06<socialist>it's up, have an ipv6 addr
03:06<socialist>does it connected to an ipv6 network or ipv4?
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03:11<Dirtyfrench>its suposed to be an ipv4 address
03:11<Dirtyfrench>it looks up but it aint :(
03:12<socialist>i see
03:12<socialist>ifdown eth0
03:12<socialist>ifup eth0
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03:12<Dirtyfrench> same problem under ubnutu
03:13<socialist>could you please show the ouput of the two commands above?
03:13<Dirtyfrench>still not working somehow DHCPDISCOVER dosent get anythign
03:13<Dirtyfrench>kk 1sc
03:13<jm_>you previously said it does
03:15<Dirtyfrench>it should / under ubuntu (dual install) it does
03:17<dcraig>I had a similar problem once and the cable was bad...
03:17<jm_>it says it doesn't
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03:17<dcraig>just sayin'
03:17<Dirtyfrench>nah cables good (checked)
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03:18<Dirtyfrench>checking again just in case
03:19<Dirtyfrench>cables fine
03:21<Dirtyfrench>annoying aint it ?
03:22<socialist>is it possible to check the dhcp server log to see whether it has received the dhcp request?
03:22<Dirtyfrench>ill check idk if my router keeps a log
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03:23<Dirtyfrench>enabled log / doing ifup/ifdown
03:25<Dirtyfrench>ima connect / dis this machine to see the log BRB
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03:25<Dirtyfrench>log works on htis machine
03:26<socialist>so it means that the dhcp request didn't reach the router
03:26<Talon^>i just installed indicator-applet session in debian 6 squeeze, right clicked a panel, and added it, it shows up as "No Indicators" what am I missing? in ubuntu it was a nice lil session switcher with stuff like lock screen, switch user, shutdown, restart, etc.. I'd like to add that into debian cause i'm so used to using it..
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03:28<socialist>since the cable is good (as you said), it could be caused either by the eth0 hardware or the kernel driver
03:29<socialist>when you said it used to work before
03:29<socialist>what os did you use?
03:29<Dirtyfrench>the hardware is good since it works in ubuntu (only after the instalation is finished not in net-install or live session) and works in XP
03:30<jordanm>Talon^: while debian offers the inidicator, very little supports it because each application that uses is patched by ubuntu
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03:32<Dirtyfrench>and yeah cables fine i connected it to my laptop and it worked fince
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03:34<lamah>how can i change console/tty font, like from the kernel boot?
03:35<socialist>try to edit /etc/default/console-setup
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03:35<socialist>Dirtyfrench, what os did you use?
03:35<Dirtyfrench>now im trying to get deb 6.0
03:36<Dirtyfrench>i just wiped a working ubuntu 10.10
03:36<Dirtyfrench>and a working XP
03:37<lamah>socialist: which code is for like the: "kernel booting" ?
03:38<Dirtyfrench>in ubuntu it worked only after the instalation was finished, net-install didnt work and live session didnt have networking
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03:44<Dirtyfrench><socialist> any suggestion to my problem ?
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03:45<socialist>i'm not sure about this, ubuntu 10.10 have a newer linux (2.6.35) as opposed to squeeze (2.6.32). it could be that because the kernel in ubuntu 10.10 is newer so it carry an updated version of the vt6102 driver which works properly with your device
03:46<socialist>you could try to compile the latest kernel and install it to your squeeze
03:46<clinton>hi, I've just upgraded to squeeze, but I'm getting a "grub rescue>" prompt. I've set my root to (hd0,1), but "boot" just says "error: no loaded kernel". How do I load the kernel from grub rescue?
03:46<Dirtyfrench>nah ima just wipe debian :(
03:46<socialist>i realize that it's much more hassle though
03:46<Dirtyfrench>well thx for trying
03:46<socialist>than go back to ubuntu
03:47<Dirtyfrench>ima try arch tho i have been wanting to try it for awhile now
03:47<socialist>nah, i'm not helping at all. you still can't connect to your network using squeeze
03:47<Dirtyfrench>well you tryed
03:48<jm_>clinton: depends on version of grub
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03:49<clinton>jm_: whatever comes by default with squeeze I guess
03:49<socialist>if you try other linux os and eth0 works, please consider reporting filing a bug report to debian
03:49<jm_>clinton: did you have debian before uggrading to squeeze or is it a new install?
03:49<clinton>jm_: had debian before
03:49<jm_>clinton: then try kernel and initrd, or linux and initrd
03:50<clinton>jm_: grub rescue doesn't have commands I don't think
03:50<jm_>clinton: well if it's grub 2 try and load its modules
03:50<cassiel>hi guys, is somebody using skype on squeeze/amd64?
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03:51<clinton>it does have "insmod" as a command
03:51<jm_>right that's grub 2
03:52<clinton>jm_: commands are (from help): boot, cat, dump, exit, help, insmod, ls, lsmod, root, set, unset
03:52<clinton>jm_: so what do I load with insmod?
03:52<socialist>try ls /boot/
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03:52<jm_>clinton: linux
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03:53<socialist>if you can see a lot of .mod file, you can proceed to load those modules
03:53<clinton>jm_: "error: the symbol 'grub_machine_fini' not found"
03:54<clinton>jm_: thats after lsmod linux
03:54<clinton>the same error comes up on initial boot
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03:54<jm_>clinton: hmm my grub is too old to find this symbol in it
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03:56<jm_>well using grub-pc from sid doesn't reveal anything either
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03:57<clinton>jm_: didn't expect the squeeze upgrade to result in debian beig unbootable
03:57<jm_>clinton: well you don't have to replace your boot loader when upgrading
03:58<clinton>jm_: the installer recommended I replace it
03:58<clinton>jm_: otherwise I wouldn't have...
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03:59<lamah>how can i stop some services, perm?
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03:59<jm_>clinton: did you try reinstalling grub?
03:59<clinton>jm_: how?
03:59<clinton>jm_: from grub rescue?
03:59<socialist>lamah, install sysv-rc-conf
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04:00<socialist>run sysv-rc-conf as root
04:00<clinton>jm_: can I do that?
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04:01<jm_>clinton: no, you'll need to use a rescue medium
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04:01<jm_>lamah: man update-rc.d explains it
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04:05<clinton>jm_: for example?
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04:06<jm_>clinton: debian netinst, grml, ... anything that gives you prompt and chroot for example
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04:07<clinton>jm_: so load up with that, mount my hard disk, and chroot my hard disk to root, then fix it is the idea yes?
04:07<jm_>clinton: yeah similar to this:
04:07<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
04:08<clinton>jm_: I'll give that a go
04:08<clinton>jm_: thanks
04:09<jm_>clinton: no worries
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04:16<lamah>socialist: i can't remember one tool fro stoping serivce like sysvinit or something in lenny ?
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04:18<lamah>socialist: what is for services 1 2 3 4 or 5 ?
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04:19<socialist>i don't know other tool to stop service
04:19<lamah>socialist: i mean 2 3 4 or 5
04:19<socialist>it's runlevel
04:19<lamah>socialist: this my init ?
04:19<lamah>runlevel yes
04:19<socialist>they're runlevels
04:20<socialist>you just need to modify services for the runlevel you use
04:20<socialist>usually it's runlevel 2
04:20<socialist>so you can leave 3 4 5 as they are
04:21<lamah>yes i know i mean understand you
04:21<lamah>if i am a 3 i need to change 3 - yes, thanks :)
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04:22<socialist>no problem :)
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04:29<n1md4>morning. upgraded to squeeze, jabberd broke "Configuration parsing using /etc/jabber/jabber.xml failed: unbound prefix at line 54 and column 10" any one else?
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04:57<j0hnnyX>Can someone help me with a sound issue?
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04:58<j0hnnyX>Sound works with aplay -D plughw:0,3 from the command line. But it will not work in the GUI or anywhere else.
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05:05<ranvijay>how to send msg to host in a network
05:05<j0hnnyX>ok my sound codec is ATI R6xx HDMI
05:06<j0hnnyX>I hope that helps
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05:06<jm_>j0hnnyX: perhaps it's because this is not the default card
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05:07<j0hnnyX>jm_ Well ATI would make sense since the Video Card is an XFX ATI based card
05:07<ranvijay>how to send messsages to host in a network
05:08<j0hnnyX>The device though should be 3 and for some reason it is not seeing it as 3
05:08<jm_>j0hnnyX: I fail to see how this is connected to what I said
05:08<j0hnnyX>hmm well how do you set the default card
05:08<j0hnnyX>alsamixer as well as gnome won't even see it
05:08<cjhmdm>hello, dumb question time... how can I force move an applications window? I have kget open and the top most bar (where it has the app name, minimize, maximize, close icons) is outside my desktop space making it impossible to move or control.
05:09<jm_>probably the easiest is to give desired card index 0
05:09<petemc>cjhmdm: hold down alt and clicking anywhere on the window should let you drag it
05:10<cjhmdm>petemc: figures it was that easy.. thanks a ton :)
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05:12<j0hnnyX>jm_ How would I do that? I already disabled on board audio in CMOS
05:12<bluenemo>what is the your choice for a (business) calender programm with a gui? have a small linux administration business.. setting up linux and stuff :)
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05:13<j0hnnyX>It should only be using one card but its seeing nothing.
05:13<jm_>j0hnnyX: start with "cat /proc/asound/cards" - you can put it on some pastebin
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05:13<fuuuuu>Hey I kind of sort of uninstalled xserver-xorg to try to get it to reinstall right. Then I read on the grapevine that Xorg is "broken" and everyone just has to wait until all the drivers are updated.
05:13<lamah>[ 5.820471] nForce2_smbus 0000:00:0a.1: Error probing SMB2.
05:13<lamah>i have that on boot with squeeze 6 ?
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05:14<fuuuuu>So it's rather hard to wait when you don't actually have an older xorg executable on your computer with which to run X. Anything I can do?
05:14<fuuuuu>unstable, of course :p
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05:17<joel>hi how should i upgrade my servers from lenny to squeeze? i changed my sources.list file; aptitude update, and then tried aptitude dist-upgrade but it says me that there are some broken dependencies, etc... :S
05:17<fuuuuu>God I hate X...
05:17<jm_>joel: read release notes
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05:17<joel>where can i find them?
05:18<lamah>how can i stop sending mails to root/users ?
05:18<lamah>local mails...
05:18<jm_>j0hnnyX: well thst only lists one card which is the default
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05:18<petemc>lamah: what is sending the mails?
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05:19<lamah>petemc: "You have mail."
05:19<lamah>petemc: on login with root/user account
05:19<petemc>lamah: you mean you get notifications when you log in? what do the actual mails say?
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05:20<j0hnnyX>jm_: yeah it seems that way though I can only get it to work with the aplay -D plughw:0,3 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav command
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05:21<lamah>petemc: nothing it's a ok
05:21<j0hnnyX>I can give a screenie of the gnome sound panel as well as alsamixer if that helps
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05:22<jm_>j0hnnyX: ahh I misread that initially, sorry
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05:22<fuuuuu>Well it's past midnight. I'm not going to be able to turn on X again though. Frikkin' nightmare
05:22<fuuuuu>Unstable is supposed to break a package here and there, not the entire GUI system!
05:23<fuuuuu>If only I hadn't tried to uninstall then reinstall...
05:23<jm_>if if if ...
05:24<petemc>fuuuuu: there are no guarantees on what will break with unstable, whoever told you that was wrong or a liar
05:24<lamah>petemc: why squeeze doesn't have climm package?
05:24<joel>for installing packages in the console is it better to use apt-get over aptitude? wtf?
05:24<petemc>lamah: i dont know
05:25<gsimmons>lamah: It's still at RFP (Debian bug #447470).
05:25<lamah>gsimmons: and what is CLI alternative?
05:26<gsimmons>lamah: centerim, finch, licq, some others I can't remember ; /msg dpkg ICQ
05:26<lamah>gsimmons: ok
05:26<j0hnnyX>jm_: here is the first error
05:26<fuuuuu>petemc: yeah but testing is like a year outdated so damned if you don't :/
05:27<j0hnnyX>now the second:
05:27<petemc>fuuuuu: thats also wrong
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05:28<fuuuuu>petemc: depends on which package really.
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05:28<petemc>fuuuuu: correct!
05:28<jm_>j0hnnyX: I need to understand what this plughw thing specifies, watching some skiing now, so it will have to wait a bit
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05:32<fuuuuu>petemc: uh... according to testing doesn't have xorg at all. Not sure how the new "packages" website works with that sort of thing.
05:33<petemc>this wouldnt be a great time to use testing
05:33<petemc>or unstable, for that matter
05:34<fuuuuu>you're seriously suggesting people use stable?
05:34<petemc>no, use whatever you want, just dont expect it not to be broken
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05:35<jm_>not to not be broken I assume :)
05:35<petemc>heh, yes
05:35<djw>fuuuuu: I think is borked
05:35<Lantizia>djj, works fine here
05:35<fuuuuu>They're trying to change the format of guess it's not working yet.
05:35<Lantizia>fuuuuu, it's just your cache - simply hard refresh
05:35<djw>annoying, because I'm wanting to look something up
05:36<fuuuuu>I pretty much consider stable to be broken just as a general principle, so if unstable /and/ testing are out...
05:36<j0hnnyX>brb trying something. gotta log out and in again. I had no .asoundrc file so I figured I'd try to create one.
05:36<Lantizia>fuuuuu, why is squeeze (stable) broken?
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05:37<fuuuuu>Lantizia: politics! I shouldn't say more though.
05:38<lamah>how can i check what is my module name of my sound card? i want to see it
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05:38<lamah>which is loaded
05:38<djw>it's a very odd thing to say squeeze is broken
05:38<Lantizia>fuuuuu, if you have an overriding belief in stable always being unstable it's a wonder why you use debian since it is best known for it's stability and security
05:38<j0hnnyX>ok back and it didn't work
05:38<lamah>it's a integrated mb sound
05:38<phihag>lamah: lspci -k | grep -i sound
05:38<jm_>grep snd
05:38<fuuuuu>Lantizia: Unstable is a good deal different from broken!
05:38<phihag>lamah: or more like lspci -k | less and look for sound there
05:39<djw>I'm wondering if unstable is going to be more exciting now squeeze has released
05:39<Lantizia>fuuuuu, but a large majority of people don't use debian for it's unstable capabilities!
05:39<j0hnnyX>jm_ it hung up
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05:40<Lantizia>fuuuuu, are you proclaiming it broken as it's missing something?
05:40<fuuuuu>I don't know anyone who uses stable. Easier to bitch about broken releases on unstable.
05:40<jm_>j0hnnyX: what did?
05:41<j0hnnyX>when I grep snd but I suppose that wasn't for me?
05:41<lamah>phihag: i mean like a module name
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05:41<jm_>j0hnnyX: ahh yes ignore that
05:41<lamah>phihag: modprobe -l ?
05:41<Lantizia>fuuuuu, if this is a desktop and you use unstable you might find aptosid a better choice (also a part of the SPI like debian)
05:41<fuuuuu>Lantizia: I'm claiming that the situation 3 years ago is sufficiently different that the method of attempting to only fix security problems stops being effective.
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05:41<phihag>lamah: yes, there are module names in there, look for "Kernel modules"
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05:42<lamah>phihag: nothing
05:42<lamah>phihag: i can't find
05:42<phihag>lamah: can you pastebin the out put of lspci -k ?
05:42<j0hnnyX>Well jm_ we know the card works at least. When it aplays its working. It is just a matter of mapping the right hw. Somewhere it should be changed to plughw: 0,3. But where, I have no clue.
05:42<Lantizia>fuuuuu, yeah it's Debian Unstable... stabilised... mainly for desktop use
05:42<dpkg>aptosid (formerly sidux) is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid. It is not supported in #debian. #aptosid on
05:42<fuuuuu>Part of this is the fault of X, for having an ABI and bad documentation and stuff. But even in unstable nobody should be committing a package without first its dependencies. There's something wrong with that.
05:42<lamah>phihag: MCP55 High Definition Audio it's a integrated sound into the mainboard
05:42<jm_>j0hnnyX: i'll see if alsa docs mention it, but a bit later
05:43<phihag>lamah: huh? That's the whole output of lspci -k ?
05:43<lamah>phihag: 00:0f.1 by nvidia
05:43<j0hnnyX>Thanks man. Yeah I'm still looking as well.
05:43<lamah>phihag: 00:0f.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
05:43<Lantizia>fuuuuu, you get what is says on the tin... Unstable
05:43<fuuuuu>Lantizia: unstable doesn't mean moronic!
05:43<phihag>lamah: No, copy everything and insert it at
05:43<Lantizia>sometimes it does
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05:43<MeglaW>it broke sudo
05:43<MeglaW>and i forgot my root
05:44<Lantizia>mistakes are obviously more likely in unstable... some of them will be moronic
05:44<MeglaW>bye uptime
05:44<Lantizia>debian is made by humans you know not robots
05:44<fuuuuu>It's pretty simple. Before pushing the next xorg, you check everything it breaks, and fix them preemptively.
05:44<joel>for installing packages in the console is it better to use apt-get over aptitude? wtf?
05:44<j0hnnyX>I do find it odd though that I have no .asound.rc file or a file in /etc/asound.conf
05:45<jm_>j0hnnyX: asoundrc is not needed
05:45<fuuuuu>You can make a mistake on one of those fixes sure, possible even security risks, but to call deliberately ignoring them to break the distribution "unstable"...
05:45<j0hnnyX>The sound did work on Ubuntu so I would logically assume that since Ubuntu is based on Debian that well its on my end due to a lack of knowledge.
05:45<Lantizia>fuuuuu, and if you haven't been able to preemptively identify a problem you use Unstable for the very purpose it was made for... to solicit feedback before it enters testing
05:45<lamah>phihag: i mean how can i check what module is for this sound device (loaded) ?
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05:45<Lantizia>you use Unstable at your own peril, it is not for production use
05:46<fuuuuu>Lantizia: But they physically typed in the packages it breaks, and then didn't fix them first. It wasn't accidental breakage.
05:46<ansgar>fuuuuu: Do you even know why not all of the newer xorg is in unstable before claiming the maintainers are evil?
05:46<devil>joel: you are about to start a flamewar :)
05:46<Lantizia>Unstable is a work in progress! It's not DONE! You can't complain about something that is not finished!
05:46<phihag>lamah: Look at the output of lspci -k. If you can't see it in that output, please upload it
05:46<lamah>phihag: how?
05:46<lamah>phihag: i am on console
05:47<Lantizia>If you find something handy in Unstable you want (or testing)... then backport it... else if you want an easy life run stable
05:47<lamah>phihag: wgetpaste?
05:47<fuuuuu>I can complain if you're building the roof without putting in foundations!
05:47<Lantizia>If you like sooooo much about unstable and want an easier unstable... go with aptosid that regularly works-around unstable issues
05:47<phihag>lamah: Copy the output and paste it at, click send, and give me the URL
05:48<ansgar>fuuuuu: So you don't know and base your complaints on assumptions.
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05:48<fuuuuu>I'll think about it. Mostly I'm just upset that I can't figure out how to get X working, not even the version before all this Xorg ABI updating started.
05:48<joel>devil: Oh! sorry it wasn't my intention, it's just that since sarge or something like that i started to use aptitude over apt-get because i thought apt-get was kind of "deprecated" and now reading the Debian 6 Release Notes
05:48<joel>they say that for non-interactive dialog it's better to use apt-get
05:49<joel>so i was like wtf...
05:49<lamah>phihag: i am with console
05:49<phihag>lamah: Yes, wgetpaste would work fine too
05:49<lamah>phihag: ok
05:49<lamah>phihag: hah he have been hide from screen
05:49<fuuuuu>synaptic shows 1 version for xserver-xorg and it's broke. If I could go back I totally would, and just wait for that stuff to settle. Maybe patch if I could.
05:49<lamah>phihag: after pgup i found snd-hda
05:50<lamah>phihag: i mean is in the middle of the screen however:)
05:50<fuuuuu>But if there's only one version... best I could do is drag my whole distribution back to testing. And you said testing isn't a good idea to use either.
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05:50<devil>joel: i guess its a matter of what you are used to. i am an apt user since ever and i find it mostly superiour, but there are situations where aptitude has the better solution. but thats just me.
05:51<joel>ok, thanks.
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05:52<dandersson>fuuuuu: I don't know how long you've been using Unstable, but I've had it installed since 2006 and during that time X has broken several times. No one is claiming Unstable to be production quality (even if it's not as bad as its name implies).
05:52<Lantizia>fuuuuu, testing can be ok... but certainly not now lol! testing is an ok choice maybe 6 to 12 months in once a new stable is released from personal experience... if you don't mind regular updates and the possibility of breakage
05:53<Lantizia>right now if you expect stability use stable (use backports if you must) or another debian-based distro
05:53<dandersson>I interpret that Unstable is aimed at people not only _able_ to fix these kinds of problems, but _willing_.
05:53<fuuuuu>dandersson: Eh, quite a few years actually. Usually when X is broke I can just wait for it to be fixed. In this case though, I managed to accidentally uninstall the X I had, and now can't get it back. :(
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05:54<Lantizia>dandersson, unstable is aimed at package maintainers who can fix the major problems before they enter testing
05:54<petemc>!tell fuuuuu about sdn
05:55<ansgar>fuuuuu: To be still helpful: Read the last paragraph of
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05:56<dandersson>Lantizia: That sounds as a more correct statement.
05:56<fuuuuu>petemc: thanks, that's about what I needed...
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05:57<fuuuuu>ansgar: sure, soon as I figure how to copy links from irssi into elinks
05:57<dandersson>Something I've really learned is to read all relevant changelogs before installation of new packages and to be very wary when aptitude starts suggesting the removal of packages at upgrades.
05:57<petemc>!tell fuuuuu about pastewithoutx
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05:58<fuuuuu>thh never could get gpm working on this laptop
05:58<petemc>screen works to copy any paste
05:58<Lantizia>Part of the problem here is I think some people get in to their heads that testing and unstable are some how parallel regularly maintained and checked alter-ego versions of debian for release and general use if your prefer cutting edge stuf... THEY ARE NOT... they are _-UNRELEASED-_ packages as two different stages for development use only.
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06:00<j0hnnyx>Got it to work
06:01<j0hnnyx>Thank you guys for the help :)
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06:04<fuuuuu>Lantizia: I hold no such notions, so worry not.
06:04<fuuuuu>uh... for it says "Release file expired" ...
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06:11<Emery>what is the new testing branch now debian 6 squeeze
06:12<Emery>do you know what kernel comes with that ?
06:12<Emery>i was looking to use .38
06:13<Torsten_W>.38 is not released yet
06:14<cthuluh>,versions linux-image-2.6-686
06:14<judd>Package linux-image-2.6-686 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32+29; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; wheezy: 2.6.32+29
06:14<Torsten_W>and .37 in exp
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06:16<themill>,kernels --release experimental
06:16<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-trunk-686 (2.6.37-1~experimental.1)
06:17<themill>cthuluh: judd has a "kernels" command to pick this information out more easily, btw
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06:22<cthuluh>themill: thanks
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06:23<jm_>where does judd get package version info from?
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06:23<themill>it has a udd instance that it queries
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06:24<jm_>ahh I see; rmadison also works OK, so it's just with issues
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06:32<fuuuuuuuu>Wanted to tell you it was working from inside Xorg, but now the x-server is segfaulting randomly. :/
06:33<fuuuuuuuu>Can get stuff from that place though, and such weirdness might resolve itself with a simple shutdown/restart.
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06:35<Emery>is wheezy stable enough to use ?
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06:36<cthuluh>Emery: it has been tested for a long time, and many bugs were corrected
06:36<jm_>Emery: probably nothing has changed in wheezy yet
06:36<cthuluh>oh, I had read "squeeze" 8)
06:36<themill>dpkg, squeeze->wheezy
06:36<dpkg>Want to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? We've only just had a release and users of testing are in for a bumpy ride... if you have to ask how to do this, you shouldn't do it. (in the 12 hours after squeeze released, 2184 packages where changed in wheezy. That's about 14% of the archive changing.)
06:36<Emery>Ah well nice to be abit more upto-date i suppose
06:37<themill>jm_: ^^ actually, a *lot* has changed (and broken) in wheezy already
06:37<Emery>looks like fun :P
06:37<themill>Emery: testing users are in for a very rough ride for a few months.
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06:38<jm_>themill: interesting
06:38<Emery>unstable must be nasty then :P
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06:39<devil>Emery: unstable is fine if you do not dist-upgrade it as long as its head over heels
06:39<Emery>i think i'll take my chances with wheezy
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06:40<jrabbit>Emery: Testing is generally OK
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06:40<jrabbit>that said I never reboot my testing box so :P
06:40<petemc>except for when its not, like now
06:40<jrabbit>works for me :P
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06:41<jrabbit>I had to do some leg work to make grub install though
06:41<enzo>hi all
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06:41<Emery>jrabbit, well i'm upgrading and will reboot, i'll let you know :P
06:42<Lazerdye>Hi, what can I do if I would like an updated package in Debian? Should I open a bug, send a message to a mailing list, or just talk to the maintainer?
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06:44<jrabbit>Lazerdye: see if its been updated somewhere else
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06:46<jm_>Lazerdye: how did you verify which versions are available in debian?
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06:46<Lazerdye>jm_ debian package search, and the qa page of the maintainer.
06:46<jm_>Lazerdye: ok qa page is fine
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06:49<Lantizia>is it me or does believe no packages exist at all in any release any more
06:50<jm_>Lantizia: it has some problems now apparently
06:50<Lantizia>wheezy and sid are ok, just not lenny and squeeze
06:50<jm_>right, use rmadison instead
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06:50<Lantizia>jm_, which is?
06:51<paq>darn, I installed debian 6.0 lxde version, but it keeps crashing
06:51<jm_>Lantizia: apt-cache show rmadison
06:51<OdyX>hrm, wheezy's not okay for all packages…
06:51<paq>And my video card is still blacklisted for compiz
06:51<jm_>Lantizia: uhh actually it's in devscripts package
06:51<jm_>Lantizia: so man rmadison
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06:52<Lantizia>i can't even remember what I was going to look up any more
06:53<jm_>stmp patient
06:53<Lantizia>my brain feels lost, it's like wikipedia just died or something :P
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07:26<ayaka>I have installed postgresql-8.4,but thie initdb can't use
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07:31<lamah>Waiting for /dev to be fully populated...[ 6.004040] ACPI: I/O resource nForce2_smbus [0x1c80-0x1cbf] conflicts with ACPI reg......
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07:32<lamah>this is a 2 input for the NIC i think?
07:32<jm_>it's probably about some i2c thing or somesuch
07:32<lamah>i2c ?
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07:38<ayaka>How to install postgresql in debian
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07:39<jm_>ayaka: the same way as other packages
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07:39<ayaka>jm_, but I did,some cmd like initdb can't use
07:40<jm_>ayaka: who can't use them?
07:40<ayaka>jm_, choose path to save db
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07:42<jm_>ayaka: isn't that done via debconf?
07:42<ayaka>jm_, no,it's datebase feature
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07:48<etenil>Hi there
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07:49<etenil>I'm having an issue after upgrading lenny to squeeze. MySQL doesn't start any more and its log files are apprently empty. Could anyone lend me a hand?
07:49<jm_>ayaka: did you read /usr/share/doc/postgresql-*/README.Debian.gz?
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07:50<ayaka>jm_, yes
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07:51<themill>etenil: check that you actually have the "mysql-server-5.1" package installed.
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07:52<etenil>themill: if I try to run mysqld manually, I get the following:
07:52<etenil>ah, I didn't see the "mysql_upgrade". Trying.
07:53<themill>etenil: check that you have e the "mysql-server-5.1" package installed first...
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07:54<ayaka>jm_, and most problem is how to mange and login to db
07:54<jm_>ayaka: initdb is in /usr/lib/postgresql-foo/bin
07:54<ayaka>jm_, oh,I see,thank you
07:55<etenil>themill: you're right, mysql was half upgraded. Weird
07:55<themill>!squeeze mysql
07:55<dpkg>Following an upgrade from lenny to squeeze, the "mysql-server-5.1" is often not installed as a replacement to "mysql-server-5.0". "aptitude install mysql-server-5.1"; you may also need to update any customisations to your server configuration from 5.0 to 5.1.
07:55<themill>etenil: it's a FAQ atm... yes.
07:55<etenil>it's not in the upgrade notes
07:56<jm_>not yet I guess
07:56<themill>etenil: indeed. Hopefully it will either be fixed or documented for 6.0.1.
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07:56<etenil>it could be helpful to add it to the upgrade issues, no?
07:57<etenil>thanks for your help themill
07:57<themill>no worries. happy hunting!
07:57<etenil>thanks :D
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08:01<dpkg>[sound] Ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <default alsa>. See also <devdsp>, <dmix>, <ac97>, <oss4>, <pulseaudio>, <esound>, <rs>, <arts>, <microphone>.
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08:18<VERT|GO>hi all
08:20<sret>ok so resolved my issue
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08:46<paq>hmm, I can't play dvd's
08:46<rtheys>Even if I unmount an NFS4 mount on the client, I can not unmount the bind-mounted file system on the server without completely stopping the NFS service
08:46<rtheys>paq: you need libdvdcss
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08:46<paq>rtheys, it is installed by default on debian 6.0
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08:47<paq>how do you use regionset?
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08:48<rtheys>i don't think libdvdcss is installed by default, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/README.Debian
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08:49<paq>rtheys, yeah serious, cause when I did apt-get install libdvdread4 it says its already installed
08:50<rtheys>what does 'dpkg -l |grep dvdcss' say ?
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08:51<paq>rthey give version and a little summary: libdvdcss2 1.2.10-0.3 Simple foundation for reading DVDs - runtime libraries
08:52<rtheys>paq: is the first thing on the line 'ii' ?
08:52<paq>rtheys, yeah
08:52<themill>(that is *not* part of the default installation and is *not* part of debian)
08:52<rtheys>ok, then it's installed :), but it would surprise me if this was by default
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08:54<paq>hmm, not sure, but I installed debian 6.0 using cd1 lxde/xfce version, and I chose to install the desktop environment during installation and it was installed by default, same with vlc
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08:57<paq>what is the repo to install flash plugin?
08:57<jm_>!adobe flash
08:57<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package available for squeeze and lenny-backports. Ask me about <dmm> <bdo> <non-free>. WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. See also <flash amd64>.
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08:58<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see
08:58<jm_>paq: you can /msg the bot
08:58<themill>!ubuntu-es lucia
08:58<dpkg>lucia: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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08:59<lucia>quien hay
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08:59<sandeepchoubey>hi lucia
09:00<lucia>quien pollas eres tu
09:00<sandeepchoubey>is it english
09:00<sandeepchoubey>i knw only english
09:00<lucia>no te entiendo
09:00<sandeepchoubey>i am using first time xchat
09:01<paq>anyone installed e17 on debian 6.0?
09:01<lucia>k no te entiendo
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09:01<sandeepchoubey>ok so this is technical chat
09:02<lelamal>!es lucia
09:02<dpkg>lucia: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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09:07<ASsasdas>I'm trying to install debian from a USB disk on a PS3. The blu-ray drive is broken so that is not an option. I've copied the netinstall ISO over to the USB disk (extracted ofc, not the .ISO itself). I can boot up the install with petitboot. After chosing language in the debian install it asks me to enter the install CD. Since I cant, I've entered the console here and tried to mount up my USB disk in /cdrom. (mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /cdrom) And ye
09:07<ASsasdas>s, the USB disk is called /dev/sda1 and YES, the USB disk has EXT2. And YES again /cdrom exists. When trying to mount i get error "No such device". But as said, both /dev/sda1 and /cdrom exists. What am I doing wrong?
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09:08<E0x>ASsasdas: was already release a linux installer
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09:09<tony->Hmm. What you mean.?
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09:10<E0x>just asking if was release because the lasted firmware of ps3 takeout the otherOS install option
09:11<ASsasdas>E0x, I'm running old firmware. 3.15 wich has OtherOS suppo
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09:14<amakusa>I'm confused, if I want to download debian stable, I can download and install squeeze, and for testing I can dl wheeze, and for unstable I can add repos to wheezy, is this correct?
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09:17<OdyX>amakusa: more or less. With an installed Debian, you can always upgrade to a newer suite. (downgrading is not supported.)
09:18<OdyX>amakusa: preferably suite-to-suite (aka not lenny->wheezy)
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09:20<amakusa>0dyx, I downloaded what was suppossed to be testing yesterday to upgrade to unstable, but it installed squeeze, so I thought maybe they still have not changed the codenames in the repos? I tried to updgrade but I gave me a million issues with dependencies
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09:28<OdyX>amakusa: that's "unstable" for a reason…
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09:51<johnfg>hi guys
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09:52<johnfg>I just used synaptic to install flashplugin-nonfree. Restarted epiphany, but still not seeing flash.
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09:52<johnfg>Do I still need to do alternates and choose the adobe flashplayer?
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09:55<ml|_>johnfg: is that your only flashplayer installed?
09:56<johnfg>ml|, No, at least I think gnash was installed by default. Looks like if I purge it I should be good to go.
09:56<ml|_>no need to purge, you can use the alternative system to choose
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09:58<ml|_>johnfg: update-alternatives --config
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10:12<clinton>hi, I've had some issues with grub after the lenny->squeeze upgrade. I've booted the install disk, gone to a console, mounted and chrooted to old root, but I need to mount /usr, which is a LVM. I modprobe dm-mod, but then vgchange -ay hangs. Anyone know how to fix this or another way to mount /usr (or just fix grub without /usr)?
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10:15<lac>my dmesg is now showing a lot of segfaults. see:
10:16<lac>what do I do now to find out why I am getting them?
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10:20<lac>we ran memory checks yesterday, found nothing
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10:22<lwithers>lac, what are the programs testing_* ? is somebody developing some code on that box and it's just not working properly yet? I see the same output when I am developing code and it crashes
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10:24<lac>yes, were developing code, and since we are developing a JIT it can be that we get crashes in it. However
10:24<maxxe>if i recompile a package in stable with some minor modifications.. first get the package with apt-get source <package>.. then build it with dpkg-buildpackage... is it possible to change the version to something like 1.0.0-1-custom ?
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10:24<lac>this seems excessive for that. We have an enormous text suite. I guess this is what I would like to verify -- are all of these the problem with our program?
10:25<crc>maxxe change the version in ./debian/changelog
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10:25<maxxe>crc: ok thanks
10:25<lac>we had the machine die with kernel panicks 2 times last week, so now I am getting worried that we have flakey hardware, but don't know how to find out
10:25<lwithers>looking at the timestamps which I think are in seconds it seems like it crashes a couple of times an hour; and if there are no other fault indications then I would guess it's solely due to problems with the code
10:26<lwithers>as far as I know the only thing you can do is just look carefully for any signs of problems in the system log
10:26<crc>maxxe instead of changing it it is better to add a new entry
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10:26<maxxe>crc: yeah i'll probably add a new entry which describes what i've changes i've done :)
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10:28<lac>ok, thank you very much lwithers, everybody
10:29<maxxe>crc: can i just edit it as it is with vim for example.. or is there some script that does that for me?
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10:29<maxxe>crc: hmm dpkg-genchanges seems to be what im looking for :>
10:30<crc>I know there is some script to do that but you can just edit it with vim as long as you keep the proper format
10:30<maxxe>crc: yeah..
10:30<crc>yeah, it's probably a better idea to use dpkg-genchanges
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10:34<resmo>Read a while ago Debian uses a tool for twitter which publishes pgp signed messages, couldn't find it, any hints?
10:35<daemonkeeper>Signed tweets? Isn't the signature only already longer than the allowed message size then?
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10:47<valdyn>resmo: or debian does not even use twitter but
10:47<resmo>daemonkeeper, not the tweet is signed but the message for authentication reason, so many debian devs can tweet over one account, not using password
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10:51<lamah>why alsamixer cannot regulate my sound music levels it stays untouched?
10:52<lamah>after volume up/down
10:52<Class>I have the router which give us the dns ip gateway etc . . . i have as my nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf but i have issue resolving domens can i set specific dns server and other staff just be the same i meant dhcp
10:52<lamah>it's a one device hw:0
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10:59<peinguin>Please help me with wifi.
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11:02<resmo>peinguin, we would if you let us...
11:03<ballison>has anyone ever seen version binding in debian actually work?
11:03<ballison>i've never seen it actually work.
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11:03<ballison>i have a /etc/apt/preferences with the version i want to remain at, but whenever i install that package again (without a version) it always upgrades to the newest version.
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11:07<peinguin_>Hi. I have wifi card 04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01)
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11:08<peinguin>I can not connect to the network
11:08<johnfg>Well, I've flashplugin-nonfree installed, reinstalled, and purged gnash, but flash still isn't working. This is squeeze with latest updates.
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11:09<Alam_Lenny>johnfg: on what browser?
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11:09<johnfg>Alam_Lenny, epiphany.
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11:10<adb>, pciid 14e4:4315
11:10<judd>[14e4:4315] is 'BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'wl' module.
11:10<johnfg>Doesn't show up with iceweasel, either :-(
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11:12<johnfg>Alam_Lenny, You got any suggestions?
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11:21<johnfg>I just added the multimedia repo, but the flashplayer still isn't showing up (and I did run aptitude update).
11:22<johnfg>Anyone have an idea what's wrong? In googling, I'm not finding anything real helpful.
11:23<daemonkeeper>You need non free, not multimedia.
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11:24<johnfg>I already have non-free, and installed and reinstalled flashplugin-nonfree, but it's not working.
11:24<daemonkeeper>Are you on squeeze?
11:25<johnfg>And gnash is gone. daemonkeeper Yes, on squeeze.
11:25<daemonkeeper>So you are fine to install flashplugin-nonfree if you use contrib and non-free
11:25<johnfg>So why isn't it working in either epiphany or iceweasel?
11:25<debiannew>hello, does anyone knowes the name of the config file for the fonts on kde, i use gnome but also some kde apps like amarok, so i would like to change font size
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11:26<xinkill>johnfg: Could you type about:plugins in iceweasel?
11:26<daemonkeeper>No idea about epiphany, for iceweasel open about:plugins and see whether its loaded
11:26<johnfg>it's not showing up when I did about:plugins in iceweasel.
11:26<daemonkeeper>did you restart your browserß
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11:27<johnfg>daemonkeeper, Yup, but I'll do it once more, just for the fun of it.
11:27<xinkill>In that case the flashplayer plugin isn't linked to your browser yet
11:27<johnfg>xinkill, What do I have to do to accomplish that?
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11:28<johnfg>just restarted iceweasel and checked and still no plugin.
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11:29<xinkill>Can you check if the following path and file exists: /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/
11:29<daemonkeeper>Ususually you don't need to do anything, you can link /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ to your iceweasel plugins dir
11:29<jhutchins2>johnfg: Did the debian package actually download and install the plugin from Adobe?
11:29<jhutchins2>johnfg: You might be able to run the update script if it didn't.
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11:31<johnfg>xinkill, jhutchins2 the flashplugin-nonfree seemed to install with no problems,no error msgs. However, /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ doesn't exist.
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11:32<johnfg>jhutchins2, How do I do the update?
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11:36<xinkill>johnfg: Could you do a find or locate for
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11:37<johnfg>xinkill, Did the locate and the file isn't here.
11:37<Tony->Hey, I'm having some problems here. Trying to install Debian 6.0 on a PS3. I've extracted the netinstall ISO to a USB drive and booted up the install with "petitboot". But after I selected language and keyboard layout (the first 2 steps) in the install, it starts looking for the CD-rom. How ever, I do not have a CD-rom (thats why i'm installing from USB). Someone that has any tips, hints or
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11:38<debiAn->i've just installed debian testing..but in my sources.list i have repo with "squeeze", is it normal?
11:38<petemc>debiAn-: how old is the cd image you installed from?
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11:39<debiAn->petemc: just downloaded
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11:39<debiAn->petemc: from
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11:40<johnfg>The find command didn't find any either.
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11:40<johnfg>What do you suggest?
11:41<Tony->Does anyone have any ideas on why I can't mount a USB disk in the console during install then?
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11:42<Tony->I have a disk plugged in 'dmesg' shows nothing strange. Disc comes up as /dev/sdb1.
11:42<Tony->mount -t ext2 /dev/sdb1 /cdrom
11:42<Tony->Mounting /dev/sdb1 on /cdrom failed: No such device.
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11:43<Torsten_W>sdb1 is never a cdrom
11:43<Torsten_W>is a partition on a harddrive
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11:44<Tony->Well. I'm trying to trick the install into thinking that a cdrom is mounted in /cdrom
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11:44<xinkill>johnfg: what is the result of: aptitude search flashplugin-nonfree
11:44<Tony->Torsten_W: Thats why I'm trying too mount my USB Drive on /cdrom. The USB Drive is a mirror of the Debian 6.0 Netinstall
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11:45<Torsten_W>Tony-, and fdisk -l sayes what?
11:45<Tony->Don't have fdisk.
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11:46<Torsten_W>why you don't have fdisk?
11:46<johnfg>xinkill, it returns "i flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin.
11:46<Tony->Guess it's not part of the Debian install system Torsten_W.
11:46<home-alone>I just downloaded K3B . cant find it anywhere . using debian 5
11:46<johnfg>and then shows p for the extrasound.
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11:46<xinkill>johnfg: Well something went wrong than
11:46<daemonkeeper>It is, make sure you are root Tony-
11:47<Tony->Keep in mind, I'm in the install system.
11:47<johnfg>What do you suggest? Do a complete removal, then do another install?
11:47<Tony->That gets flashed into the RAM during the install.
11:47<Torsten_W>Tony-, there must be any partition programm
11:47<johnfg>Of the plugin, not squeeze, i.e. :-)
11:47<bmhatfield>Tony-: Did you chroot to /TARGET ?
11:47<Tony->bmhatfield: Hmm, no. Havent done any chrooting.
11:47<debiAn->petemc: my country repository (.it) has problems...this is the solution :)
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11:48<home-alone>I just downloaded K3B . cant find it anywhere . I am using debian 5
11:48<Tony->Torsten_W: Hmmm.
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11:48<bmhatfield>Tony-: nvm actually. If you're trying to get it to recognize the disk for install, you won't yet have a /TARGET
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11:49<Tony->Na, I can't mount it. Don't know why ;/
11:49<home-alone>help me to locate k3b . thank you
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11:49<bmhatfield>Tony-: USB installs worked properly for me in the past. The proper method with squeeze is to DD the netinst ISO to your pendrive's root partition… everything should detect and work from there as normal
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11:50<Tony->bmhatfield: I have extracted the netinstall ISO to the root of my USB Drive :/
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11:51<debiAn->Tony-: can you use unetbootin ?
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11:51<Tony->I've used unetbootin to extract the ISO onto the drive yes.
11:51<bmhatfield>Tony-: Extracted and DD'd are two different methods - you need to dd it to the base disk, not extract the files (in your example, it would be /dev/sdb)
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11:52<Tony->bmhatfield: Ok If I PM you so you can explain further?
11:52<Lantizia>Doot Doot
11:53<johnfg>This is weird. I look at properties for flashplugin-nonfree, select Installed Files, and the isn't there.
11:53<bmhatfield>Tony-: yep
11:53<Lantizia>johnfg, a script pulls it in
11:53<azunyaa-roku>How to integrate my programs (iceweasel, xchat) with kde's interface ?
11:54<johnfg>Lantizia, Does the script have to be run manually?
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11:54<debiAn->Tony-: did you formatted the usb pen with FAT 16? does it boot?
11:54<Lantizia>johnfg, gets ran when you install the package - but you can rerun it later to update
11:54<Tony->debiAn-: Formatted with EXT2
11:54<debiAn->Tony-: imho you must format it in fat16 and will work
11:55<johnfg>Lantizia, How do I do that? Maybe that's the problem, although I don't know why.
11:55<Tony->debiAn-: Fat16 messed up the filenames so it didnt work
11:55<Lantizia>johnfg, if your looking at the installed files you should see the name of the script right there, the only other thing it installs is docs
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11:55<debiAn->Tony-: i had the same problem about 20 minutes ago...with ext/ntfs didn't work..with fat16 worked
11:56<jhutchins2>johnfg: update-flashplugin-nonfree --install in 32b lenny.
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11:56<Tony->debiAn-: How did you manage to not get the files named yaboot~1.con etc?
11:56<debiAn->Tony-: didn't think about it, boh
11:58<debiAn->Tony-: i've installed debian wheezy with netinstall
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11:59<johnfg>jhutchins, check this:
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12:00<debiAn->Tony-: now i must go
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12:03<cahoot>Tony-: did you follow the instructions on how to prepare the usb stick?
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12:05<Tony->cahoot: No, keep in mind. I'm not booting on any normal PC :)
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12:09<johnfg>jhutchins, I tried twice, but still get the sha512sum error.
12:10<johnfg>jhutchins, try this:
12:10<Torsten_W>that's why adobe has released flash 10.2 final
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12:11<lamah>why i can't regulate volume music with alsamixer?
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12:12<johnfg>jhutchins2, Any idea how to fix that?
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12:13<Torsten_W>johnfg, you can't fix that
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12:13<johnfg>Torsten_W, So, is that archive corrupt?
12:14<johnfg>Torsten_W, On the server?
12:14<johnfg>What's wrong then?
12:14<Torsten_W>it is not corrupt
12:14<Torsten_W>it does not match with the checksum of the script
12:14<Torsten_W>and it can't match, since adobe today released a new version
12:14<johnfg>So what do I do?
12:15<Torsten_W>fill a bug in the bts?
12:15<jhutchins2>johnfg: Remind us what release you're on, and what architecture.
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12:15<Torsten_W>download install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz manualy?
12:15<johnfg>OK, I'll wait, and have to run lenny in the meantime.
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12:16<johnfg>jhutchins2, I'm on squeeze, brand new installation, i386 32 bit.
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12:16<johnfg>btw...all works fine in lenny.
12:16<johnfg>For me...
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12:17<jhutchins2>johnfg: Yeah, no errors here either. If what Torsten_W said is true though, we should get an update to the downloader script soon. Or you can just hack the script yourself.
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12:17<lac>lamah: check with alsamixer that your settings are like this:
12:18<jhutchins2>johnfg: That's one of the problems with the deb package - no automated trigger of a new version if Adobe updates the file.
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12:19<bartm>jhutchins2, about flash?
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12:19<jhutchins2>bartm: Um, yes?
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12:20<bartm>happens to be a package I'm familiar with :)
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12:20<sret>!how to you search for apps using apt
12:21<Torsten_W>apt-cache search foo
12:21<jhutchins2>bartm: Not sure why but the squeeze package is giving johnfg checksum errors, while lenny is complacent. Adobe version is
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12:22<jhutchins2>bartm: My lenny shows 10.1 r102 even after running the update script.
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12:23<johnfg>bartm, jhutchins2, You think i should just wait a while then?
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12:24<Banana_Joe>hallo und guesse aus bolivien
12:24<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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12:25<bartm>jhutchins2, johnfg, I'll update the checksums this evening
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12:26<johnfg>ok, thanks.
12:26<jhutchins2>bartm: Can you do lenny as well please?
12:26<johnfg>thanks guys!
12:26<jhutchins2>johnfg: Thanks due to the guy who found the problem.
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12:33<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: Sorry if I wasn't there for a lot yesterday. Now I have a good five hours to work on my driver problem though. (It was e100)
12:33<bartm>jhutchins2, do you use i386? or amd64?
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12:35<raule>hola peña que pasa tios
12:36<bartm>raule, language?
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12:36<raule>fuck mother
12:36<raule>jajjaj soi un skater
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12:37<Habstinat>Maybe someone else in this chat could help me out with my e100 driver problem? It seems like there are greater issues to the point where installing firmware-linux-nonfree wouldn't fix it. It's just my Ethernet that isn't working. It was working on Lenny, but now it isn't on Squeeze.
12:37<raule>bocaliza troco
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12:37<jhutchins2>bartm: Currently all 32b. My netbook (currently away from home) can do 64 but I have no real need.
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12:38<bartm>jhutchins2, could you run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" now please? I haven't tested yet
12:38<bartm>jhutchins2, the checksums are updated, so you should pull in the newer version now
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12:38<jhutchins2>Habstinat: Did we work on this yesterday?
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12:39<jhutchins2>bartm: I ran it earlier and it returned nothing, just now it did download the (presumably) new file, but I don't think it installed.
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12:39<Habstinat>jhutchins2: I think so, but we didn't come to a conclusion.
12:39<chealer>!tell Habstinat about doesn't work
12:39<jhutchins2>bartm: Restarting firefox...
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12:40<lapfrog>hey do you guys know how i can tell if my lappy has b/g/n wireless? how can i tell which type it has/
12:40<cahoot>lspci -nn?
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12:41<lapfrog>10:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN [14e4:4311] (rev 01)
12:41<lapfrog>this? i have g?
12:41<Habstinat>Thanks chealer. What would you like to know? It isn't recognized by my computer.
12:41<amphi>lapfrog: so it would seem
12:41<amphi>on the downside, you have broadcom ;)
12:42<chealer>Habstinat: please paste the output of lspci in a pastebin
12:42<arand>Does the BTS classify bugs according to confirmed or not?
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12:42<Habstinat>chealer: That would be difficult as I can't access the Internet on that machine. I'm doing all this from my phone.
12:42<devil>Habstinat: firmware-linux-nonfree has 3 .bin files for e100. check with apt-cache show firmware-linux-nonfree if that fits your needs
12:43<chealer>Habstinat: so lspci doesn't mention your network card?
12:43<Habstinat>chealer: I'll try to put it on a USB and move it to a computer that has Internet.
12:43<lapfrog>it works fine :P
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12:46<nl>I am going to re-install Debian. I have /dev/sda7 which is 33 GB and is named(/mounted on) /x. How would I, during re-install, keep /x formatted the way it is, as I have moved all data required for backup onto that partition
12:46<jhutchins2>bartm: On one system I did a fresh install of the downloader and it appears to have downloaded the Feb5 update.
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12:46<jhutchins2>bartm: On another system I have 2008-12-18 07:27 flashplugin-nonfree-lastminute after running the existing downloader.
12:46<jhutchins2>bartm: Investigating further.
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12:47<bartm>jhutchins2, version of flashplugin-nonfree ?
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12:50<Habstinat>chealer: What do you think of that?
12:51<jhutchins2>bartm: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+
12:51<jhutchins2>bartm: Both systems.
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12:51<jwkokc>I've just installed squeeze via expert mode with the no-root option, using sudo instead; however the su-to-root script refuses my password although both sudo and gksudo accept it. How can I change this?
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12:51<bartm>jhutchins2, strange, you shouldn't get any message about "flashplugin-nonfree-lastminute"
12:51<jhutchins2>bartm: This system is now showing 10.1 r102 but it may be due to it being ltsp.
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12:53<jhutchins>bartm: This system shows 10.2 r152
12:54<bartm>to verify the version :)
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13:00<diego>how can I remove a software from the terminal?
13:00<chealer>Habstinat: your computer recognizes the card - 03:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82562ET/EZ/GT/GZ - PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller (rev 04)
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13:02<jhutchins>bartm: Well, it worked correctly on the conventional system. Not sure what's going on with the ltsp box.
13:02<Habstinat>chealer: Perhaps my terminology wasn't technical enough, what I meant is that I don't get a message that it isn't working, but I don't get a message that it is, and it isn't.
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13:03<diego>how can I shut down me pc from the terminal?
13:03<Torsten_W>apt-get purge foo
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13:03<Torsten_W>init 0
13:04<bartm>diego, "poweroff"
13:04<Torsten_W>shutdown -h now
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13:07<chealer>!tell Habstinat about doesn't work
13:10<Habstinat>chealer: I don't know what information you're looking for and therefore what to tell yoy. If you want to tell me to paste the output of a couple commands, I could do that. Otherwise, I feel like anything else I could come up with by myself here won't be technical enough to help you.
13:10<jhutchins>Habstinat: To review: You can set eth0 up manually but it doesn't get DHCP, right?
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13:10<jhutchins>Habstinat: Did you remove network-manager?
13:11<Habstinat>jhutchins: Yes, I removed network-manager because you (maybe it was someone else) said it would help.
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13:12<jhutchins>Habstinat: Have you purged and reinstalled dhcp3-client and dhcp3-common?
13:13<Habstinat>jhutchins: I don't think so. sudo apt-get purge dhcp3-client dhcp3-common, right?
13:13<jhutchins>Habstinat: correct.
13:14<jhutchins>,versions dhcp3-common
13:14<judd>Package dhcp3-common on i386 -- lenny-security: 3.1.1-6+lenny3; lenny: 3.1.1-6+lenny4; sid: 4.1.1-P1-15; squeeze: 4.1.1-P1-15; wheezy: 4.1.1-P1-15
13:14<chealer>Habstinat: I'm not looking for information. you seem to be looking for help. just explain what you're trying to do.
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13:15<jhutchins>chealer: This carries over from some work we did yesterday.
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13:16<Habstinat>chealer: I'm trying to do whatever it takes to get my Ethernet driver working, whether it be installing nonfree drivers or other things.
13:16<Habstinat>chealer: *Ethernet working
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13:17<Habstinat>jhutchins: I purged both of those. Now what should I do to reinstall them?
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13:19<jhutchins>Habstinat: aptitude install dhcp-client
13:19<tjader>I edited, my resolv.conf, but something keeps undoing my edits
13:19<tjader>How can I find out what it is?
13:19<jhutchins>tjader: dhcp?
13:19<tjader>jhutchins: nope, static ip
13:20<Habstinat>jhutchins: Alright, it's installed now.
13:20<jhutchins>tjader: Interesting. network-manager installed?
13:20<tjader>but I just had an epiphany
13:20<tjader>I think I ran dhcp on one interface a few days ago
13:21<tjader>not the main interface, but dhcp doesn't care :p
13:21<tjader>yeah, there was a dhclient running :)
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13:21<tjader>never even thought of checking that :p
13:21<jhutchins>Habstinat: set /etc/network/interfaces to allow-hotplug eth0 /iface eth0 inet dhcp
13:21<tjader>thanks for the hint
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13:22<tjader>about the topic, haven't all the mirrors updated yet?
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13:22<jhutchins>tjader: I think they have..
13:23<jhutchins>They estimated two days, and the last stuff to go out was the iso's.
13:23<jhutchins>Mirrors aren't controlled by the team though.
13:24<tjader>I know, just thought it might be time to remove the warning already :0
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13:26<Habstinat>jhutchins: Ok. I changed "iface lo inet loopback" to "iface eth0 inet dhcp", but I'm not sure what spot to edit for the allow-hotplug eth0 part.
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13:26<jhutchins>Habstinat: WAIT!
13:26<Habstinat>jhutchins: Ok.
13:26<jhutchins>Habstinat: Change it back.
13:26<Habstinat>jhutchins: Ok.
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13:27<jhutchins>You need the loopback port, you want eth0 to be seperate.
13:27<jhutchins>so like four lines (not counting spaces and such.
13:28<rklz>hi there , can i ask for openvpn help to someone ?
13:28<Habstinat>jhutchins: It's back. I saved a copy of the original beforehand because I knew I would mess something up.
13:28<jhutchins>you can probably use auto eth0 instead of allow-hotplug too.
13:28<jhutchins>Habstinat: If you have static config you can just comment it out (put # at the beginning of the line).
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13:29<Habstinat>jhutchins: I have "iface eth0 inet static" below "auto eth0".
13:30<tjader>What do I have to add to interfaces to make dhcp not get dns?
13:30<jhutchins>Habstinat: Are there settings below that ?
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13:31<Habstinat>jhutchins: The file isn't too long. I'll retype the whole thing and put it in a pastie, one second.
13:31<jhutchins>Habstinat: Just comment them out if there are, you want auto eth0 and then iface eth0 inet dhcp
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13:33<rklz>Hi there
13:33<Habstinat>jhutchins: Alright. So now everything is commented out except "auto eth0" and one line below that "iface eth0 inet dhcp".
13:34<jhutchins>Habstinat: Sounds good. Restart networking?
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13:34<Habstinat>jhutchins: Sure. What would be the command for that?
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13:35<jhutchins>Habstinat: I use /etc/init.d/networking restart
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13:36<Habstinat>jhutchins: Well, I got a lot of output and it seems like it's been restarted.
13:36<jhutchins>Habstinat: ifconfig - did it get an address?
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13:37<Habstinat>jhutchins: Hey, it works! Just tried browsing the web. Thanks. Now should I reinstall network-manager?
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13:38<Habstinat>jhutchins: By the way, I do get addresses in ifconfig, under eth0.
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13:40<jhutchins>Habstinat: Network manager is for cases where you change networks frequently and need a userspace application to control them.
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13:42<thewanderer1>hi. what happened to Freenode?
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13:43<daemonkeeper>What happened?
13:43<jhutchins>thewanderer1: Did something happen to freenode?
13:44<daemonkeeper>Apparently not, as I'm connected.
13:44<cahoot>try join a channel
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13:45<thewanderer1>huh... I can't connect to it
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13:45<daemonkeeper>I'm on and others are as well. #debian seems frequented as usual
13:45<thewanderer1>anyway, I have strange issues with stripes on screen
13:46<thewanderer1>they appear and disappear (instantly, but in a pulsating manner) with a frequency of about 2 Hz
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13:46<jhutchins>thewanderer1: I'm on niven in Corvailis, OR.
13:46<thewanderer1>it only happens when I run OpenTTD and some other graphical games...
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13:46<thewanderer1>and when I make the window smaller, the stripes are gone
13:46<thewanderer1>the border value seems to be 50% of the screen's height
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13:47<daemonkeeper>Isn't OpenTTD a low resolution SDL game?
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13:54<rpetre>daemonkeeper: it has some high-res textures, iirc
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13:55<daemonkeeper>No idea, just wanted to point out, I would not be surprised to see a flickering window when running a SDL windows over its native resolution.
13:56<thewanderer1>actually, the resolution seems to be native
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14:19<sakrayaami>Hello, i've just made a clean install of debian 6.0 with xfce on a VmWare virtual machine. I've tried to set up my network via /etc/network/interfaces but i could't get any internet
14:20<sakrayaami>can you help me?
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14:21<jhutchins>sakrayaami: Does ifconfig show the interface?
14:21<sakrayaami>just a second
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14:22<sakrayaami>ifconfig: command not found
14:22<Nemoder>try /sbin/ifconfig
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14:22<sakrayaami>it is showing only the lo the local loopback
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14:24<sakrayaami>lo Link encap:Local Loopback
14:24<sakrayaami> inet addr: Mask:
14:24<Nemoder>ifup eth0 ?
14:24<sakrayaami>ifup command not found
14:24<tjader>as root
14:24<jhutchins>sakrayaami: Have you restarted networking since you configured the interfaces file?
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14:25<sakrayaami>ok now it is up
14:25<jhutchins>sakrayaami: These commands requite root privileges.
14:25<sakrayaami>i will try again to restart it
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14:28<sakrayaami_>the network started
14:29<sakrayaami_>it seems that after entering sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop/start
14:29<sakrayaami_>my network interface is down
14:30<sakrayaami_>and i must ifup eth0
14:30<sakrayaami_>this solved my problem thank you for your help
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14:36<bleah>i have a n00b question , how can i add full access to a folder and his subfolder/files ?
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14:36<cahoot>define full
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14:36<Nemoder>chmod rwx folder -R
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14:37<dbldtx>Hello all. I am having lots of trouble installing Debian from the daily testing netinstall build 09FEB... after installing with alternate desktop XFCE4, all I get is command line - sources.list says "squeeze" and not testing.
14:38<Nemoder>what install image did you use?
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14:38<dbldtx>35-something or 2.6.35?
14:38<dbldtx>Should I have just used 2.6 kernel?
14:39<cahoot>why are you even considering testing at this point in time?
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14:41<dbldtx>Debian GNU/Linux Testing _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20110209-15:38]/ - wheezy main
14:41<dbldtx>Cahoot; I have always run testing... and am reinstalling after a BRIEF sojourn into the world of sid
14:42<Nemoder>I suppose it's still in transition, just change your sources.list to testing and update
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14:43<dbldtx>That's what had me confused. I had assumed that since Squeeze had been "released" 05/06 FEB, that installing this Testing Wheezy image would have my sources.list say "testing" or "wheezy" by default
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14:43<sakrayaami_>hi there, can you help me i want to put flash on iceweasel
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14:46<Nemoder>!tell sakrayaami_ -about flash
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14:48<katsrc>reddit is under heavy load right now, sorry. Try again in a few minutes.
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14:51<dbldtx>surfraw...2000-2001 copyright Julian Assange
14:51<amakusa>dbldtx, I tried to install also, but apparently the whole repo and archive are in turmoil right now
14:53<dbldtx>amakusa; Thanks, any guess when it should be good to go? hours? days?
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14:54<Nemoder>it's always been suggested to install stable and upgrade to testing. only use the testing installers if you are trying to test them!
14:54<amakusa>dbldtx, unfortunately there's no way I can tell how long, but if I had to bet, I'd say days
14:55<dbldtx>Nemoder; Roger that. Thank you. Attempting DL/burn of stable netinstall from CLI now
14:55<Nemoder>currently there is verry little difference between stable and testing though
14:57<amakusa>the problem I have is that I tried to download testing, and got squeeze, thus confusing me A LOT hehe
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15:00<dbldtx>amakusa; Same thing here, compounding the confusion that already exists because I am a complete idiot.
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15:03<amakusa>dbldtx, nah, hopefuly things will be fixed in the next few days
15:03<Nemoder>keep in mind when a new stable is released a new testing is created with the same packages as the release and then updates filter in from sid
15:04<Nemoder>i've seen a lot of people mistakenly think a new testing is a copy of sid
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15:06<ukleinek>I have problems to successfully test my java plugin ( I have installed sun-java6-plugin and even sun-java6-jre, but no success. Is this only me?
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15:08<Nemoder>ukleinek: does it show up in about:plugins ?
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15:09<ukleinek>Nemoder: yes
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15:10<ukleinek>it seems it somehow works. The error I get is
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15:15<dbldtx>I have a debian .iso that I want to burn from the command line. sudo (or as su) burn -I -n debian.iso does not leave me with a bootable DVD (as I am currently out of blank CDs)
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15:15<chealer>ukleinek: which browser do you use?
15:15<dbldtx>What would be the easiest way to burn this .iso to DVD
15:15<ukleinek>chealer: iceweasel
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15:16<ukleinek>dbldtx: apt-get install wodim I guess
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15:19<dbldtx>ukleinek; Thanks, a good many more options than "burn" package. I've got to mount my cd first and then burn this .iso to it?
15:20<ukleinek>dbldtx: you can mount a blank cd?
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15:21<dbldtx>ukleinek; I suppose not. What would be the command to burn debian.iso to the blank media in the drive? Burn the image as bootable...
15:21<Tony->I did it! I'm installing debian on my PS3! I WON! Debian 0 - Tony 1
15:22<daemonkeeper>Isn't that tied then?
15:22<daemonkeeper>Like Debian 1 - Tony- 1?
15:22<ukleinek>dbldtx: I would expect this to be just wodim $imgfile
15:22<daemonkeeper>Or Debian GNU/Tony 1 : Sony 0?
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15:22<devil>rather sony 0 debian 1
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15:23<dbldtx>The score would be: Sony 0, Tony 1 - it would be noted by the commentators that Tony scored via assist. Assisting player Debian. Jersey number 6.
15:23<ukleinek>hmm, reinstalling sun-java6 and purging sun-java5 didn't help
15:24<Tony->Naa :P It was debian that was asking for a CD-rom and refusing too let me mount /dev/sdb1 on /cdrom
15:24<Nemoder>ukleinek: have you tried the icedtea package?
15:24<Tony->But then again
15:25<Tony->Sony where the one making poor quality Playstations that the blu-ray drive breaks in
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15:25<dbldtx>wodim debian.iso It assumed a writing mode of TAO. I am unsure if I am burning this image as bootable
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15:27<ukleinek>Nemoder: good idea, will try
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15:30<dbldtx>All I have is a command line. I have failed to burn debian.iso with both burn and wodim. I have wasted 4 blank DVDs and only have 2 left. Nearing insanity threshold.
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15:31<dbldtx>Can anybody recommend a command line burning utility, along with the command to burn a .iso to the media in the drive so that it is bootable as an install disc?
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15:35<Nemoder>dbldtx: wodim should have worked fine, did you check that the iso md5sum matches that on the site?
15:36<ukleinek>dbldtx: thought aber rw media or an usb pen drive?
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15:40<dbldtx>Nemoder; if you can give me the link to a suitable .iso I'll wget it... I had used lynx and downloaded a netinstall.iso
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15:40<Nemoder>dbldtx: what is the filename you downloaded?
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15:41<dbldtx>...this 3rd time around I saved it as debian.iso instead of the original filename... dling another now
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15:42<Nemoder>dbldtx: just make sure to check the md5sum when it is done downloading
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15:42<darkness94>salutm a chite muort
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15:43<ukleinek>Nemoder: \o/
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15:46<dbldtx>Nemoder; I wget'd that url you posted... I got an index.html
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15:47<Nemoder>i was pointing to the index as it lists the urls for the md5sums
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15:49<ukleinek>dbldtx: don't burn that index.html on your last but one media
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15:50<dbldtx>ukleinek; I won't I am just really frustrated - Maybe going to wait and try installing this again tonight? Off the testing CD (I know it's not recommended, but...)
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15:51<ukleinek>dbldtx: try a pen drive, that really works well
15:51<dbldtx>The only one I have is unformated
15:51<ukleinek>dbldtx: then format it
15:51<dbldtx>I don't know where to begin with that, looking up how to mount stuff - It's just a mess since I'm purely CLI
15:52<dbldtx>Thanks for the help all
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15:52<ukleinek>dbldtx: it's documented in the install manual
15:52<dbldtx>I'll be back eventually, going to take a little break, too much work to do atm to mess with this
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15:59<na>this channel alone is like 1/4 of oftc
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16:00<dbldtx>na; quality over quantity
16:01<na>but if i write more, then i'll have more content
16:01<na>and the mind needs an input
16:01<dbldtx>The soviets in WWII said that "Quantity has a quality all it's own"
16:01<cdlu>except the got the possessive right
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16:08<sahko>how can i find out which package needs another one? eg. a library. say librsync
16:08<bartm>sahko, apt-cache depends librsync
16:08<bartm>sahko, apt-cache rdepends librsync
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16:10<sahko>thank you
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16:42<ram>after upgrading Debian Lenny to Debian Squeeze, it's started a sound like 'deeet' both when i was starting the computer and when i was closing off. do you have the same problem, or how can I stop it?
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16:46<samuelka_>I'm having a problem installing mono with the newest squeeze debian repo, apt cannot install zlib1g.
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16:59<zlatan>hi to all
16:59<zlatan>is there possibility to use compiz without nvidia proprietary drivers
17:00<sahko>with nouveau?
17:01<zlatan>sahko, yea,is it?
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17:01<sahko>nouveau doesnt do 3d, if compiz needs 3d then i guess not
17:02<zlatan>sahko,hm..okay :D...bye compiz :D
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17:02<Nemoder>hm i think nouveau has some 3d support now
17:03<sahko>it does, i dont think its in squeeze though
17:03<zlatan>Nemoder, make me happy..I think too
17:03<Nemoder>ah yeah still unstable
17:03<zlatan>I am in squeeze
17:03<zlatan>np...I have the unstable version too
17:03<sahko>if you upgrade to a really latest kernel even rc and upgrade xorg and the driver maybe
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17:04<Nemoder>not something you'ld want to use on your desktop just yet i think
17:05<zlatan>Nemoder, I have squeeze and Sid...I am experimenting in np...just find the way...I have now proprietary in sid...but I will never use it as default
17:07<Tiff>Well, the proprietary driver is the only decently stable to do what you're looking for.
17:08<zlatan>Tiff,do not need decent...just need to work even for risk in stabilty
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17:09<Tiff>The proprietary drivers work.
17:09<sahko>how do i find out which packages a repository carries, preferably without adding it to the sources list? is it possible? eg the debian multimedia one
17:09<zlatan>Tiff,is there(even risky) possibility to do 3D compiz
17:10<Tiff>If you say so.
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17:11<sahko>Tiff: that doesnt give a list of all packages
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17:11<Tiff>sahko: Perhaps you should look more closely at the page.
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17:13<sahko>tbh but im interested in a way that works with all repositories. if i got the url, how do i find out the contents?
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17:14<Tiff>You could manually read the Packages file I guess if you were really against adding it to you sources for some reason.
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17:16<Tiff>sahko: this is a typical Debian mirror:
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17:17<Tiff>sahko: this is a typical binary branch of said mirror:
17:17<Tiff>Packages.gz is a gzip'd text file called Packages which lists all available packages from it.
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17:18<sahko>yes i opened another one, thanks. the Packages file is different than i would have hoped for
17:18<sahko>it doesnt just list the .deb's
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17:20<sahko>but grep Package Packages works well:)
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17:27<Tiff>Yeah you could regex to filter the preceding "Package:" if you wanted.... this seems the most universal method in my mind to acquire a list of package from any Debian repo anyway for the purposes of scripting or something.
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17:34<sahko>sorry, im not used to not having absolute control over what goes in my machines excluding the distributions official repositories so i am a bit skeptical. i dont really need something yet though
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17:35<doubledutch>Is there an ETR for Unstable/Testing repositories to no longer be all jacked up?
17:36<Tiff>define "jacked up"
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17:37<devil>doubledutch: xorg packages are uploaded as we speak
17:37<niktaris>while testing squeeze I found that gparted suggests gksu (and does not depend on) result is if you run a kde system or if you havent installed gksu it wont work. Does anyone has an opinion on why this is ?
17:38<amphi>kde presumably has some equivalent
17:38<amphi>devil: heh
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17:39<doubledutch>Thanks all - just dist-upgraded to sid which then had me remove all my open office? Working on it
17:39<niktaris>sure but as it does not depend on it you have to know that beforehand.
17:40<niktaris>I thought it would depend on gksu or kdesudo
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17:40<jhutchins2>niktaris: Perfection between kde and gnome is unlikely to ever be achieved.
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17:40<sahko>kde also has partitionmanager. i dont know what version is in stable but the recent released ones are equivalent to gparted in quality
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17:40<jhutchins2>,versions partitionmanager
17:40<judd>Package partitionmanager on i386 -- sid: 1.0.2-1; squeeze: 1.0.2-1; wheezy: 1.0.2-1
17:40<devil>doubledutch: OOo got removed due to libreoffice moving to sid
17:41<niktaris>jhutchins, probably a package issue
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17:41<RescCgitans>hi to all channel
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17:41<niktaris>eg synaptic works just fine
17:42<devil>doubledutch: should also be resolved with next mirror sync
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17:42<doubledutch>I should have never re-installed today. I should have just consulted this channel to know that this was going to be a brief issue. I am an idiot.
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17:43<jhutchins2>niktaris: I would think that might be handled by the alternatives system, but yes, it probably should require gksu or kdesu. File it!
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17:44<niktaris>jhutchins, bug #439409. not fixed yet...
17:44<ml|_>doubledutch: after a release it is not a good time to be running/updating testing and sid
17:45<jhutchins2>niktaris: xlnt.
17:45<doubledutch>ml|_; Lessons learnt.
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17:46<ml|_>good, for next time ;)
17:46<devil>doubledutch: like i said, things are getting sorted. a dist-upgrade in roughl 6 hours should fix most issues
17:46<doubledutch>devil, ml|_, all others; Thank you very much -- I look forward to loving Debian again! :D
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17:46<sahko>ml|_: shouldnt testing be unaffected? dont all packages go into sid first?
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17:50<ml|_>no and yes they go into sid first; but there was just a release and that affects both testing and sid
17:52<sahko>if i may ask so, how?
17:52<ml|_>also keep in mind testing was frozen for ~7 months or so
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17:55<sahko>right, but dont *all* packages go into sid first?
17:56<sahko>and stay there for a while?
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17:56<sahko>or you mean testing gets packages from squeeze as well?
17:57<ram>how to run "flash player" on iceweasel?
17:57<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation.
17:57<ml|_>... which also affects sid, even tho not officially frozen; sid tends to get very little changes during that time as well; new packages and new versions usually go to experimental, especially nearer a release
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17:59<sahko>ok, im just trying to figure out how it works, although im going to stay in squeeze for as long as i can
17:59<ml|_>sahko: no, squeeze is stable now; testing now = wheezy
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17:59<neex>what's meant by "testing was frozen for 7 months"? i track testing but i got updates like every other day
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18:00<ml|_>dpkg: freeze
18:00<dpkg>[freeze] when changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release). At the end of the freeze the release is 'stable'. Freezing is done when the <release goals> are achieved.
18:00<sahko>ml|_: yeah, thats what i meant, im gonna stay in stable
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18:03<neex>ah, i see
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18:04<ml|_>sahko: what do you use in your sources.list? stable or squeeze?
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18:05<ram>thank you Tiff!
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18:07<kcin>I need some advice, when I try to remove some default applications like Empathy and Ekiga, it says that gnome-desktop and gnome will also be removed. Is that normal I'm on 6.0?
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18:08<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example).
18:08<ompaul>kcin: that information broadcast was for your information
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18:09<kcin>alright thanks I figured it was something like that since the filesize of the removed content was only 2.7 mb
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18:16<kcin>Is iceweasel able to read firefox profiles? I moved my profile into ~/home/usr/.mozilla/firefox/ and then ran iceweasel -profilemanager created a new profile and pointed it to my old one, however it doesnt load anything from there and just starts a default new profile
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18:16<kcin>How do you migrate firefox profiles into iceweasel
18:17<jcole>kcin: it uses the same directories
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18:17<jcole>kcin: perhaps your firefox and iceweasel versions dont match
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18:18<ml|_>ff can usually use iceweasel profile with no issues; but it is not a good idea to go back and forth, use one profile for iceweasel and one for ff
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18:19<kcin>yes i'm trying to migrate my ff profile into iceweasle not going back and forth, just a 1 time switch I've done it with firefox many times and different versions work fine. But it happens to be nearly the same version
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18:20<s0m3DuD3>hi all, i've a question: are the xserver* packages broken for sid because i can't install any of them duo to dependecies problem :S
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18:21<devil>s0m3DuD3: it will be alright with next mirror sync
18:22<devil>s0m3DuD3: keep it in the channel please. next mirror sync ia in ~ 5 hours
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18:23<s0m3DuD3>ah, ok. i'm new at xchat and tnx for the info :)
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18:24<devil>s0m3DuD3: still be carefull with the dist-upgrade, read what apt wants to do
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18:24<ml|_>kcin: then create a new profile, give a helpful name like 'icew' then start with iceweasel with the -P option and select the new profile
18:24<kcin>I figured out the problem, I was trying to use an empty profile. :/ human error
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18:24<s0m3DuD3>devil: ok
18:24<ml|_>!congratulate kcin
18:24<dpkg>Yay kcin, you did it!
18:24<kcin>firefox likes to install multiple profiles under the same name on windows
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18:25<kcin>one in application data and one in local conent, one is used for storing cache the other for storing info. I dragged the cache one which had no settings and so on. Anyways everything works fine now.
18:25<kcin>thanks anyways
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18:26<s0m3DuD3>i want to present you a tool that i've made and i hope you can use and appriciate, it's called D-Customizer - it's very basic front-end of live-build + some bash scripts. It's very easy to use and with it you can build Debian distributions in a matter of a few minutes. Here is a link to webpage where you can view my projects and download them: please feedback me if you have some issues :) i also that you don't th
18:26<s0m3DuD3>ink that this message is with spamming purpose ;)
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18:34<dba>s0m3DuD3: the site doesn't load here
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18:35<s0m3DuD3>ah, try again.. maybe it's some traffic issue
18:35<s0m3DuD3>dba: i can send you the tar via xchat if u want
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18:38<s0m3DuD3>dba: do you want to send it to you, it contains an installation script which installs it with all it's dependecies
18:38<dba>s0m3DuD3: it's reachable now, i got it. thanks
18:39<s0m3DuD3>dba: ok
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18:42<acu>who managed the broadcast from debconf10 - I want to broadcast a stream from two cameras - but I want to be able to change the cameras on the fly
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18:49<devil>acu: there is a debconf-video-team
18:49<devil>and a debconf mailing list
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18:51<na>i bet debian would be more awesome if it focused on great documentation, and not a package management system
18:52<na>but that would require treating people like they were intelligent..
18:52<devil>na: where is the documentation you wrote?
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18:52<na>well, good point, but i don't think it disputes the idea
18:53<devil>the package management is one of debians highlights imho
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18:53<na>documentation is the weakness across the linux communities
18:54<acu>devil: very helpful - thanks a bunch !
18:54<na>the closest thing you get to comprehensive is books like 'advanced programming in the unix environment'
18:54<ml|_>there is plenty of docs about debian
18:54<themill>na: debian will include any documentation you write. Off you go!
18:54<na>quality over quantity
18:54<ml|_>and linux for that matter
18:54<devil>na: you are right, thats why the derivate i am involved in cares a lot for documentaion
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18:55<Tiff>man pages are documentation.
18:55<Tiff>most are.... adequate.
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18:55<Tiff>people don't read them.
18:55<xinkill>I rather find the documentation provided by the linux community good and clear.
18:56<ml|_>Tiff: don't include everyone ;)
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18:56<devil>Tiff: lets agree that manpages are for geeks and $user has to learn how to read them
18:56<s0m3DuD3>i read the mans :p
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18:57<xinkill>na: Microsofts helppages are just as clear as the linux ones. From my perspective.
18:58<na>; }
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19:08<ompaul>na: I think you will find that there are plenty of wikis and other helpful features that will give you the nice web page feel you want for your reading. Therefore I find against you and force you to read the source code and it's comments from this day forward.
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19:09<ompaul>na: on the other hand a man page can be considered somewhat terse but it does a job of work. Every profession and skill has it's terms of art and ways of behaviour.
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19:10<amphi>man pages are not tutorials though
19:11<ompaul>amphi: while I'd agree with that, if you want a real tutorial check out the help that comes with lots of programs in a lot of serious use cases it is near complete, ooo, gimp to name but two
19:11<ompaul>if on the other hand you want a step by step go check wikis et al
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19:11<s0m3DuD3>they are not tutorials but if you try to do something from tutorial and it's not writen why it uses some flags for an example after command the mans can explain you
19:11<amphi>& quite often under /usr/share/doc
19:12<amphi>s0m3DuD3: right, man pages are for reference, mostly
19:12<na>i endorse the view that use cases is the best way to learn, so reading source code and comments may be the best way.. it forces you to apply the concepts more than, say, a wiki
19:12<ompaul>as I said terse, so there are other places which I referenced first
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19:25<supness>I really need help with crontabs! Please anyone here to give advice to a new user?
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19:28<newsflash>I really need help with crontabs! Please anyone here to give advice to a new user?
19:28<na>crontab -e
19:29<supness>i have got that far
19:29<supness>cron works
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19:29<supness>when it executes a script with "#!/bin/sh" at the top
19:30<supness>mail says cron can't find the script
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19:30<na>you have to use the absolute path of hte script
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19:31<supness>how does that work?
19:31<na>0,5,10,15 * * * * /home/user/
19:31<supness>thats what i do
19:31<supness>it excutes the script
19:32<supness>if i change "#!/bin/sh" to "#1/bin/sh"
19:32<supness>but with that
19:32<xinkill> Is the script excutable?
19:32<supness>yes, its set to executable
19:32<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
19:32<dpkg>i guess 755 is -rwxr-xr-x
19:33<supness>the script is found if i change the top line
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19:34<pgs>can you run it from the command line? what happens then?
19:34<supness>and it echos back, but if the top line is "#1/bin/sh" then it says it can't be found, and no echo
19:34<supness>lol, i never tried that lol
19:34<supness>one sec!
19:34<adb>it explode ?
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19:38<supness>-sh: not found
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19:40<pgs>is . in your path? try ./
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19:41<supness>in cron or in prompt?
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19:43<supness>with, or without . i still get the same error :(
19:43<supness>through prompt
19:44<supness>what should my <PATH=> be?
19:44<pgs>did you create or edit it on a windows machine?
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19:44<supness>yes sir
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19:45<pgs>you probably have DOS line endings on it then, you can remove them with dos2unix
19:45<supness>if i open it with gedit, and save it, will that work?
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19:46<eLvis>i have some question about debian sid
19:46<pgs>I'm not familiar with gedit
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19:46<eLvis>is the bug about xorg-video-abi is resolved ?
19:47<supness>it has shell script things in it, i will try to create the script with gedit real quick, thank you!
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19:47<na>might even want to edit your profile while you're thinking about it
19:47<eLvis>does the bug about xorg-video-abi is resolved in sid ?
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19:49<amphi>!tell eLvis -about repeat
19:49<pgs>hello, we're not answering because we're either AFK or don't know
19:50<eLvis>ok sorry
19:50<cthuluh>and because you could check by yourself on
19:50<eLvis>it's easier and faster to ask here
19:50<eLvis>for you and for me
19:50<cthuluh>sorry? wtf...
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19:51<amphi>!punish eLvis
19:51*dpkg cuts eLvis's balls off, slices them thin and feeds them to tux the penguin.
19:51<pgs>also, check for a more specialised room, like #debian-x
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19:52<supness>yes! thank you pgs!
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19:53<supness>i think u were right, I used gedit to create teh scipt fresh
19:53<pgs>np :)
19:53<supness>and it seems to run
19:53<eLvis>and i have another question
19:53<eLvis>maybe some of you will be able to answer
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19:53<eLvis>What's the correct way to see and/or remove leaf packages with aptitude ?
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19:55<kcin>So there is no xorg.conf by default? Can I still have one? I want to limit certain resolutions and refresh rates, I also want to turn of screen blanking/blacking out after a set period of time. Even if screensaver/idle is disabled it still happens.
19:55<edbian>where can I get help with C# on mono?
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19:56<amphi>kcin: in X, you can use xset to turn off blanking
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19:56<eLvis>I see that there is a lot of help here
19:57<eLvis>thanks very much for all your help !
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19:57<kcin>I think i still want xorg to limit resolutions and set a different video driver? For example login screen is always at 1600x1200 when I want it at 1280x1024 like my desktop.
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20:01<chealer>kcin: yes. yes.
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20:21<kd123>Is there a torrent for debian live disks?
20:21<kd123>ah never mind :P
20:21<kd123>found it :)
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20:23<s0m3DuD3>if you want to make own debian distro check here
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20:41<BlueG>I managed to compile a 2.6.30 kernel on squeeze, since that version is stable on my i845 graphics chipset, but it still froze while playing video in Firefox. There is evidently still a bug in the intel driver itself, not just the kernel. It doesn't appear practical to install the old intel driver on Squeeze. Any ideas for getting Squeeze working on the i845?
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20:44<jordanm>BlueG: is that card not supported by the new KMS?
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20:46<syndicate>i have i845
20:46<syndicate>running squeeze with 2.6.37 vanilla
20:46<syndicate>kms is working
20:47<syndicate>but i haven't tried X
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20:48<syndicate>oh, and i select i915 in the kernel
20:49<syndicate>i'll try X later to see if it's working tonight
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20:54<kd123>Does anyone know of a good plotting library for gtkmm?
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21:11<supness>how would i check a processes cpu usage % and kill it if it is 0?
21:11<supness>using a script?
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21:11<kop>supness: sh, ps, grep, kill
21:12<kop>supness: maybe awk too.
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21:12<supness>im sry, im new, any way u could go a little more into it?
21:12<jordanm>all, really bad methods of process management
21:12<jordanm>supness: what is your use case here?
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21:13<supness>I have a server in wine, when teh server crashes
21:13<supness>it doesn't die or go into zombie
21:13<supness>but the cpu % goes down
21:14<supness>so i want to check the cpu % for the specific process
21:14<supness>and if it is like less that 2%
21:14<supness>kill it
21:16<jordanm>supness: you can't kill a zombie
21:16<jordanm>the only way to kill a zombie is to kill its parent process, which is often init
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21:16<jordanm>they are harmless, and there is no point to killing it anyways
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21:16<BlueG>syndicate: I will be very interested to hear if you can get X working with 2.6.37, I would rather use a newer kernel, but I had heard that there was a kernel bug affecting this chipset that had not yet been fixed.
21:16<jordanm>oh, doesn't go into a zombie?
21:16<supness>well, it doesn't always go into zombie
21:17<supness>but the thing is
21:17<supness>i want to restart the server
21:17<jordanm>supness: what is this very broken software you are running in wine?
21:17<katsrc>general question, if i want latest packages i should always compile from source right?
21:17<syndicate>BlueG, ok. i'll be back later ... perhaps in 9 hours
21:17<supness>Modern Warfare 2
21:17<supness>its not too stable
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21:19<jordanm>supness: does it respond to a kill -0 when its in that state?
21:19<supness>it is in zombie mode right now, i can usually just type "kill pid"
21:19<supness>and it dies(or at least goes away from ps list)
21:20<jordanm>supness: kill -0 does not kill the process
21:20<supness>i will try it
21:20<syndicate>ps -C firefox-bin -o pcpu
21:21<syndicate>not sure if pcpu is the right field
21:21<jordanm>supness: if it does: while true; do kill -0 $pid || break; sleep 10; done; kill $pid
21:21<supness>do i just type "kill -0"
21:21<jordanm>supness: you have to suply the pid
21:21<jordanm>and check the return status
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21:21<supness>kill -0 pid ?
21:22<supness>im sry, i am new to linux
21:22<syndicate>what's the process name?
21:22<syndicate>pidof iw4.exe will give you the pid
21:23<supness>then what do i do with "kill -0"
21:23<supness>i have teh pid of iw4.exe
21:23<syndicate>kill -0 1234
21:23<supness>ok ty, 1 sec
21:23<syndicate>replace 1234 with the pid
21:24<jordanm>supness: pkill -0 wine; if its your only wine proc
21:24<supness>it just dropped a line
21:24<jordanm>supness: echo $?
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21:25<supness>i think it did
21:25<supness>new line
21:25<supness>and its still running
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21:26<supness>did the same thing with wineserver
21:26<jordanm>supness: you left out the "?"
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21:26<jordanm>supness: pkill -0 wine; echo $?
21:27<supness>ok one sec, im sry i misunderstood
21:27<supness>it returned "1"
21:28<supness>and back at "$"
21:28<jordanm>supness: then the code I presented earlier should work
21:29<supness>i didn't see the code, im sry
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21:30<jordanm>supness: while true; do kill -0 $pid || break; sleep 10; done; kill $pid; <command to restart>
21:31<jordanm>supness: also... wine is the only software I compile from upstream.. I get considerably better results from doing the same. you may want to consider an upstream /usr/local or home directory install
21:32<supness>does that mean install manually for each user?
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21:33<jordanm>if you were to install to a home directory, yes. /usr/local would be global
21:33<jordanm>i compile to home directory because its just a single user desktop
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21:34<jordanm>my assumption is that the upstream version of wine works better because of the removal of non-free bits, but not really sure
21:34<supness>where do i get the 'upstream' version?
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21:35<supness>and will winetricks still work as usual?
21:35<jordanm>supness: support for that version will go to #wine instead of debian however
21:36<jordanm>I don't use winetricks, but I am sure that it does.
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21:36<tharkun>jordanm: problem with zombies is when you have hoards of them they can pull a system down because there are no new process id to start a new process
21:36<tharkun>Please do not ask me how i got to know that
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21:37<Bmiller>Can anyone help me
21:37<jordanm>tharkun: I have only seen issues with "too many procs" on VZ systems where limitations are placed on stuff like kmemsize
21:37<supness>and to get that code up there to work
21:38<supness>$pid="pidof iw4.exe"
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21:38<Bmiller>im having problem connecting to a wireless network in backtrack 4. ideas?
21:38<tharkun>jordanm: interesting to know
21:38<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
21:38<tharkun>Bmiller: ^^
21:38<syndicate>$pid=`pidof iw4.exe`
21:38<jordanm>supness: don't use pidof, use pgrep if anything, and no, thats not how command substitution works
21:39<tharkun>jordanm: why not pidof is it broken?
21:39<jordanm>supness: `` works but its considered legacy kill -0 $(pgred iw4.exe), or even better pkill -0 iw4.exe
21:39<syndicate>ah, yes, as jordanm said
21:39<syndicate>pgrep would be better
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21:40<jordanm>tharkun: its not broken, but pgrep/pkill is just considered better than killall/pidof
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21:40<jordanm>not sure exactly, have always taken #bash guy's word for it
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21:41<tharkun>jordanm: i used to use kill `pidof whatever` but i think it should be now kill $(pidof whatever) or better yet pkill whatever
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21:41<tharkun>yes those guys do wokr wonders on bash
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21:42<supness>so what all code would i need in the script?
21:43<supness>im trying to understand, this is all really new, and I do appreciate everyones help :)
21:43<jordanm>supness: I provided 2 examples, one was a link with an explination of how it works
21:43<supness>ok, ill try to get teh link down
21:44<supness>and see if i can translate it :)
21:44<supness>its greek to me :p
21:44<supness>thanks for everything! ill probably be back soon! lol
21:45<TMa>hi I have a kind of strange question did install a i386 installation from my pc to a usb disk because my intention is to run it on a i386 client.. it cind of allways borks when i try to install from usb drive.. all works fine but i cant find my eth0 and will not get a connection with DHCP.. so my question is do I have to install some drivers ? or is there some config I can put my mind into to make it work?
21:45<tharkun>supness: /win 27
21:45<TMa>and yes i have tried to google my problem <3
21:45<jordanm>TMa: what version of debian are you trying to install?
21:45<tharkun>supness: disregard total typo
21:46<jordanm>TMa: the installer fails to find your ethernet card?
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21:46<TMa>jordanm: I did install from my pc.. CD is kind of nice.. and there it found eth0.. but I fear that somehow there is no drivers in the kernel for the ethernet port on the client..
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21:47<TMa>I installed and swaped over the usb drive that the installed system is on
21:47*tharkun does not uderstand what is wrong
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21:48<TMa>can only find loopback network in ifconfig
21:48<tharkun>ifconfig -a
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21:49<TMa>hmmm eth2 :/
21:49<tharkun>TMa: Should i tell you what is next or do you know the dhcp dance. Will you dance it with me?
21:50<TMa>hmm did change in interfaces and restarted networking but it still will not get network
21:50<TMa>tharkun: sooo lets dance ;)
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21:51<tharkun>dhclient -v eth2
21:51<tharkun>as root please
21:51<TMa><3 _)
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21:52<TMa>spanks :)
21:52<tharkun>ok now fix your /etc/network/interfaces accordingly
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21:52<TMa>tharkun: you made my night ;)
21:53<tharkun>Oh god, a dinner invitation.
21:53<TMa>btw any recommendations for a nice ftp client? hehe.. swedish meal time invitation? :P
21:54<tharkun>Sorry no gui on this end
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21:54<TMa>ment ftp server ><
21:57<cthuluh>no ftpd
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21:58<tharkun>TMa: ftp is a pain to use when there is nat or firewalls in between client and server. Else it is quite nice
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21:58<Tiff>passive mode takes care of a lot of those issues
21:59<cthuluh>not at all. both ends can't be behind nat, or anyway you can't use secured communication
21:59<cthuluh>!ftp must die
21:59<dpkg>FTP MUST DIE! . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP:
22:00<cthuluh>use http / sftp, your life will be easier
22:00<TMa>this ftp is just for backup for me and some friends :)
22:00<cthuluh>so you'll have to authenticate?
22:00<Tiff>why not use scp
22:01<cthuluh>or sftp, which is a protocol supported by many graphical clients, now
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22:02<tharkun>TMa: take a look to rsync
22:03*dvs remembers the days when ftp was "safe enough"
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22:06<tharkun>dvs: you are a bit older than that
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22:07<paq>I used ftp a couple years ago and it worked fine, and then last month I tried it and it was slow, and wouldn't lose connection for a 700mb file.
22:07<paq>it didn't work anymore, So what do we use these days?
22:08<Tiff>i personally use scp to send files to places via ssh.
22:08<Tiff>or sftp as mentioned.
22:08<Tiff>these are good things
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22:08<tharkun>http, rsync, ssh, hmm a myriad of things
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22:09<tharkun>I stoped using smoke signals because i needed a lot of wet wood. But that still does work
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22:12*dvs remembers the days when xmodem was considered good
22:15<paq>I used xmodem
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22:15<paq>so how do you http for file transfers, you set up a web page and post the files and then visit the page?
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22:16<paq>file transfers should be a no brainer like they were in the ftp days
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22:17<paq>I wanna run e17
22:17<tharkun>paq: you make a cgi script that recieves it and then gives you an url to download
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22:18<paq>but what if you already have a web page up, what if you use your desktop as a webserver already
22:19<paq>this chromium isn't working anymore, keeps going unresponsive
22:19<paq>I think I am gonna download direct from google, rather than the packaged one
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22:20<tharkun>chromium != chrome
22:20<Tiff>chromium > chrome
22:20<paq>tharkun, oh really, whats the difference?
22:21<tharkun>paq: Tiff might kwow better i think chromium is the free stuff while chrome is not
22:21<Tiff>chromium is the open source project which google tacks on its tracking and other garbage to and then calls it Chrome
22:22<paq>Yeah, chromium isn't working for me, I am installing chrome from their site
22:23<Tiff>i use chromium on a squeeze system from unstable repos (9.0.597.84) and it works fine.
22:24<paq>chrome gave errors when I installed it complainig about libcurl3, but it is still workiing
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22:28<paq>any guess where google chrome put their icon?
22:28<supness>what s -z check in an if, then case?
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22:28<supness>what does*
22:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 476] by debhelper
22:29<supness>if [ -z $process]; then <<< what is -z comapring?
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22:30<supness>Does it mean"If process equals 0"?
22:30<Tiff>-z = zero length
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22:30<Tiff>so... yes
22:30<Tiff>your assumption is accurate
22:32<supness>thank you tiff!
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22:42<paq>You can't install e17 on debian squeeze, used to work with Lenny though
22:43<paq>I like it, cause you can run a icon dock without running compiz
22:43<jordanm>,versions e17
22:43<judd>Package e17 on i386 -- sid: 0.16.999.49898-1
22:43<jordanm>paq: I think avant just requires a compositing window manager, which should come stock with all the major DEs now
22:44<jordanm>paq: metacity, kwin, xfwm4
22:44<paq>jordanm, how do you tell which you are currently running, ps?
22:45<jordanm>paq: are you currently running a DE? yes, ps would work
22:45<paq>oh so I have compositing, cause it says xfwm4.
22:45<jordanm>I don't think its enabled by default though, let me check
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22:45<jordanm>paq: settings -> window manager tweaks -> compositor -> enable display compositing
22:45<paq>No, you have to check the compositing box
22:46<paq>jordanm, sweet, thanks got it
22:46<paq>Do you know about scaling, that feature, where you move to the top right corner and all the windows scale out (with compiz that is)
22:47<jordanm>I think compiz calls that "expo". don't think xfwm4 has it
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22:48<paq>jordanm, yeah, I don't see it anywhere. But I love that feature, really I don't care about any of the other compiz stuff except that one
22:48<paq>wierd, avn isn't installable here
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22:50<jordanm>,versions avant-window-navigator
22:50<judd>Package avant-window-navigator on i386 -- lenny: 0.2.6-7; sid: 0.4.0-2; squeeze: 0.4.0-2; wheezy: 0.4.0-2
22:50<paq>This has never happened before
22:50<jordanm>awn, sorry
22:51<paq>jordanm, did you try an install it, it isn't installable for me, dependencies. This is the first time I have experienced this on debian
22:51<jordanm>paq: what version of debian are you running?
22:52<paq>I just installed 6.0
22:52<paq>Its messed up, I can't install cairo or awn
22:52<jordanm>paq: pastebin your full command and the failed output, along with the output of "apt-cache policy"
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22:54<jordanm>paq: the problem is you never finished your google-chrome installation and its still pending. apt-get install -f
22:55<paq>jordanm, yeah, thats right, it works now, thanks, I was scared to do the -f install
22:56<jordanm>paq: -f is "fix broken", not force
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22:57<justin__>I have a question
22:57<paq>oh, yeah, thats what I thought, it was force
22:57<justin__>Will netinst support wlan connections?
22:58<paq>what about the firmware
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22:58<jordanm>justin__: yes, but not with WPA
22:59<justin__>Damn it
22:59<paq>I think you need a kernel patch for the firmware of most wlan cards. Maybe you can execute a shell and do that it, during netinstall, but I never did it
22:59<jordanm>justin__: the debian-live installer might, not sure
22:59<justin__>I have a WPA/2 password connection.
22:59<dvs>there is a firmware netinst iso
22:59<jordanm>justin__: ask #debian-live
22:59<justin__>One more question
23:00<jordanm>paq: firmware can be loaded via a usb drive in the installer. not all wlan requires firmware, my new laptop did not
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23:00<justin__>How do I install Debian (with gnome) from a USB drive that is 1.9 gigs?
23:00<Tiff>not all, but most.
23:00<justin__>besides netinst
23:00<jordanm>!usb install
23:00<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
23:00<jordanm>justin__: cd1 contains gnome
23:00<justin__>Just cd1?
23:01<justin__>Last time I tried installing from usb
23:01<justin__>It told me that I couldn't do it
23:01<jordanm>justin__: unless it has changed for squeeze
23:01<jordanm>!cd contents
23:01<dpkg>To find out what is on what disk, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at (e.g.
23:02<justin__>So mostly
23:02<justin__>I can install from USB with just CD1
23:02<justin__>But i'm wondering
23:02<justin__>Is there an easier way?
23:03<sahko>theres unofficial netinstall images with firmware
23:03<jordanm>"unofficial" from
23:04<sahko>havent tried them although firmware is an issue in my case too. but did an eth0 installation
23:04<sahko>jordanm: indeed:)
23:04<paq>yep, cairo-dock is looking sweet
23:04<jordanm>atheros still does not require firmware
23:04<justin__>Never mind.
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23:05<justin__>So, I can just load cd1 onto my 1.9 gig usb drive
23:05<justin__>And it will work without a problem?
23:05<sahko>worked for me
23:05<Tiff>some atheros chipsets require nonfree stuff.
23:05<justin__>Ok, so like this
23:05<sahko>use dd to dump it in the usb
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23:05<justin__>Wait, so I don't use cat?
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23:05<jsubl2>dd_rescue is nice also
23:06<justin__>So, I use dd, but NOT cat
23:06<sahko>cat should work too
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23:06<justin__>It will detect the USB drive?
23:06<justin__>So installation will work perfectly?
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23:07<justin__>e.g. when i get to the detect CD stage, nothing bad will happen?
23:08<jordanm>should work fine if you follow the guide in the install manual
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23:08<justin__>Ah, i'll read that now while downloading the first cd image
23:08<supness>back again! lol
23:09<supness>how do i do a great tahn condition in linux, i get -gt
23:09<supness>if [ $var1 -gt $var2]; then
23:09<supness>doesn't seem to work
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23:11<jordanm>justin__: yes, I actually installed squeeze using debootstrap from knoppix live usb earlier today
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23:11<justin__>Now how would I do T.. oh, manual, dumb me
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23:13<paq>I love installing debian
23:13<jspiros>Hmm, trying to update a machine I haven't updated for a few months
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23:13<jspiros>having troubles with verifying signatures, AED4B06F473041FA
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23:14<jordanm>jspiros: aptitude reinstall debian-archive-keyring; aptitude update
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23:14<jspiros>jordanm: thanks :)
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23:15<justin__>Thanks guys, you really helped me there
23:15<justin__>I will wait for my debian cd1 to finish downloading
23:16<justin__>So mostly, what I do is
23:16<justin__>cat debian-x.x.x-xxx.iso > /dev/sdb1 ?
23:16<justin__>Then I do the command sync?
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23:23<dvs>justin__: should. I havent tried it myself
23:23<dvs>oh sdb, not sdb1
23:24<dvs>sdb is a USB drive, right?
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23:55<paq>they didn't fix the sleep and hibernation packages in debian 6
23:55<justin__>Is debian(original) better than debian-based distros, or is it exactly the same
23:55<justin__>STANDBY MODE CAN'T WORK?!?!?
23:56<justin__>Damn, that means I have to shut-down every time I want to sleep
23:56<paq>People here prefer debian obviously
23:56<justin__>Ok, but the package for standby is broken?
23:56<paq>On freenode, you will see that Ubuntu channel has most users, but the debian channel has smarter people I noticed
23:57<justin__>But, for example
23:57<justin__>If I close my laptop lid
23:57<justin__>Will it go on standby in debian 6.0?
23:57<paq>Justin, no, but you can make it standby, except when you open it, the screen may not return. Try it yourself
23:58<sney>it usually does nothing by default, you need to look in the power settings
23:58<justin__>So, what happens
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23:58<paq>sney, the debian pwr packages are broken
23:58<sney>all of them?
23:58<jordanm>paq: no, they are not
23:58<justin__>Standby mode --> When back up, screen's gone and I can't re-log back in
23:58<paq>sney, dunno the details, but I just hit sleep, and when it came back the screen is blank
23:59<paq>jordanm, you have it working?
23:59<justin__>That means something is wrong with your packages
23:59<paq>justin__, debian is the most stable of all the linux distro they say
23:59<jordanm>paq: yes, works for me
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