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00:29<justin__>How do I print wirelessly>
00:30<justin__>Pixma MP495 from canon
00:30<flubox>*peanut gallary* with a straw, some ink, and good aim
00:30<justin__>So, any way?
00:31<DennisTheTiger>justin__: You put the printer on the wireless network and tell Debian that your printer is over there.
00:32<DennisTheTiger>!beer fluxbox
00:32*dpkg pours a quart of Delirium Tremens for fluxbox
00:33<DennisTheTiger>justin__: In all seriousness, did you use your google fu to find the answer?
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00:33<justin__>I do not have a print-tool
00:33<justin__>What package do you install for it?
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00:35<DennisTheTiger>justin__: Where are the instructions that told you to look for a print-tool?
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00:38<justin__>I still need the package name
00:39<DennisTheTiger>Try searching for print tool using apt-file or 'apt-cache search'.
00:39<DennisTheTiger>justin__: What distro are you using?
00:40<DennisTheTiger>justin__: Also, I probably won't be able to give you an answer unless I know what your information source is telling you to seek print-tool.
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00:42<justin__>No, there IS no print-tool
00:43<justin__>I need a printing tool for debian
00:43<DennisTheTiger>I have an idea...
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00:44<sney>justin__: what you want is cups, and the compatibility lists from And no, I will not teach you to use cups. if it's not plug-and-play, read the manual.
00:45<DennisTheTiger>This said, justin__, without information such as your distro you are using and the source of info you are working with, we have nothing to work with. We know you have a printer, we know you can't find what you've been told to look for, and you now have a source of information. If you want our help, please be prepared to answer those questions.
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00:45<justin__>I have debian.
00:45<justin__>I hadn't searched yet.
00:45<DennisTheTiger>Which one?
00:45<justin__>Debian Stable
00:46<DennisTheTiger>OK, you got Squeeze.
00:46<DennisTheTiger>justin__: sney has excellent advice, follow it. Also follow the info that I had dpkg send you.
00:46<DennisTheTiger>Otherwise, well...
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00:50<DennisTheTiger>justin__: Here's another:
00:51<DennisTheTiger>justin__: You'll likely find the wiki a good resource.
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00:59<justin__>localhost:631 does not work
01:01<DennisTheTiger>You might step through the cups documentation and see if you are missing something then.
01:01<DennisTheTiger>I presume by doesn't work you mean that it does not respond in your browser in a way you are expecting (i.e., no response). The documentation will help you.
01:04<DennisTheTiger>justin__: I will be signing off shortly, I can go no further. I suggest doing '/msg dpkg cups' and starting at that point - the bot has plenty of info to work with. Good luck.
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01:05<DennisTheTiger>blah, forgot information I need for this.
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01:07<justin__>I asked dpkg about cups install
01:07<justin__>I have cups, cups-bsd, and foomatic-db
01:08<justin__>localhost:631 is still not working
01:08<DennisTheTiger>Read the entire message, justin__, there's more.
01:09<justin__>hmm... cups setup is "aptitude install cups cups-bsd foomatic-db". Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! Optionally install the printconf package to automatically install attached printers. To troubleshoot printing problems, ask me about <debug cups>.
01:10<justin__>Nothing else to that message than an optional part.
01:11<DennisTheTiger>If you can't make your computer recognize your printer, that constitutes a printing problem: an existing printer is not recognized.
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01:11<justin__>First off - I can't add a printer
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01:12<DennisTheTiger>That's a printing problem there.
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01:12<justin__>Through cups.
01:12<justin__>Because I cannot acces the page
01:12<justin__>to cups.
01:13<DennisTheTiger>justin, have you even asked dpkg about debug cups yet?
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01:13<DennisTheTiger>And important step: RTFM.
01:13<sney>but asking irc is so much faster.
01:13<justin__>Nothing in cups log
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01:14<DennisTheTiger>OK, time to hibernate. Gonna have to complete this dist-upgrade tomorrow.
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02:00<mansi>hey friends, I need to control the message displayed during system startup in debian, how can I do that....
02:00<mansi>Actually i donot want print the name of eaceh and every service being statrt up.......
02:05<mansi>Anyone please :)
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02:20<devil>mansi: are you on about the udev messages?
02:22<mansi>yah i think that is it..... the messages which are displayed in the screen during bootup..i dont have splash screen and i dont want that
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02:23<mansi>Just need to print nothing in the black screen during bootup.....right now all messages like "configuring n/w", "starting squid" etc is being displayed
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02:24<XayOn>mansi: have you tough on installing splashy or similar stuffs?
02:24<ffws>mansi: did you try the "quit" kernel option?
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02:26<mansi><ffws> do you mean in GRUB??
02:26<mansi><xayon> this is for our custom installation as firewall on clients side
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02:26<ffws>mansi: yes
02:27<ayaka>I want to does any input method don't need X
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02:28<mansi><ffws> can you kinldy give some clues or any web links? what settting are to made in menu.lst?
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02:29<ffws>mansi: just type quit in the grub line to test, if this is what you want you can add it to the kopt line in menu.lst
02:29<ffws>quiet of course
02:30<mansi><ffws> okay thanks let me try
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02:32<devil>is quiet option notr default?
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02:38<ffws>devil: it was not default for my last debian installation
02:38<devil>hm, dont really remember
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03:19<apet4u>So im a new to Linux and i just installed Squeeze on an Acer Aspire 5520 and im do not have a network manager (that i can find) to connect to the wireless internet connection here in the house... can anyone help?
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03:20<cahoot>you hav a wirelss interface according to ip link?
03:21<ffws>apet4u: there are several possibilities: wpa_supplicant/wpa_gui, wicd, networkmanager
03:22<apet4u>yes its an Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5006EG 802.11 b/g Wireless PCI Express Adapter 168c:001c (rev 01)
03:22<ffws>apet4u: does iwconfig shows teh device?
03:22<apet4u>give me a sec il check
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03:25<apet4u>sry had to boot it up :3
03:26<cahoot>apet4u: I'd suggest you connect the acer via etherenet and irc from there, helps helping
03:26<apet4u>it does not show it no
03:26<apet4u>i would but im at a friends :(
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03:27<apet4u>im on her laptop
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03:32<apet4u>hang on found one to use
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03:37<apet4u>ok its plugged in
03:37<apet4u>still no internet
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03:40<apet4u>so whats the next step :/
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03:41<devil>apet4u: modprobe | grep ath
03:42<devil>apet4u: sry, lsmod | grep ath
03:43<apet4u>no biggy :3 im hapy for the help
03:44<devil>so, what does that say?
03:44<devil>if its more than 2 lines, put it in a pastebin like
03:46<apet4u>ok give me a sec im running between 2 rooms here x.x
03:46<devil>apet4u: this is not really a helpful way to support you.
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03:47<devil>why dont you come back when you can access the device directly per cable?
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03:51<apet4u>cause its plugged in and im still not getting internet...
03:52<apet4u>or i would just connect from it
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03:52<devil>so, where is the output?
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03:56<apet4u>i typed it all out
03:57<devil>apet4u: thats what i am saying: come here with the notebook we speak about.
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03:58<devil>the module is loaded, ifconfig should show a wlan device
03:59<devil>if not, do: modprobe -r ath5k && modprobe ath5k && ifconfig
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04:05<apet4u>it does show one.
04:06<das>help me?
04:06<devil>apet4u: iwlist scan
04:06<devil>das: with?
04:06<das>devil: i am new to debian
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04:06<das>just i started only
04:06<das>please help me to setup my desktop
04:07<devil>das: what do you mean by that?
04:07<devil>let me say i have to leave in 5 minutes :)
04:07<das>devil: k
04:07<das>devil: i need to add source list
04:08<das>what are all the links live
04:08<apet4u>it said for lo and eth0: Interface dose not sapport scan
04:08<apet4u>it did not say anything about Wlan
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04:09<devil>apet4u: not good. but i have to leave in a few.
04:09<devil>das: need to add what?
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04:09<devil>das: links live?
04:09<das>not link live
04:09<apet4u>alright dont lemme hold ya up :3
04:09<das>all best links i mean
04:10<devil>das: links to what?
04:10<das>i mean apt source
04:10<ffws>apet4u: put the output of dmesg on some paste page
04:10<apet4u>x.x lol okie
04:10<devil>das: best stick to debian sporces, add contrib non-free to the stable line
04:11<devil>ok, gotta run. later
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04:11<apet4u>thanks again
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04:33<blanca>kienes sois
04:33<blanca>ay alguien ay
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05:06<ilias>hello there
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05:18<sda>hi all! i need to change the first row before login (
05:19<dcraig>first row?
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05:20<sda>yes, Debian Gnu\Linux 6.0 ....
05:20<sda>I want write what I want... or ADD what I want, can I?
05:21<adb>and what you want to add ?
05:22<sda>the IP of the machines, this is an virtual machine with a bridge on my network, it has a DHCP IP and I don't want enter each time as root to watch the IP before start use it (I use it only as test for my PHP pages) thanks!
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05:23<dcraig>maybe make something that updates /etc/issue
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05:25<themill>you also don't need to be root to check a box's ip
05:26<sda>it doesn't change, i have to enter with a user (root or not) and I only want start the machines and start work in the other, anyway, Issues is only a text files so i put in rc.local ifconfig >> /etc/issues and it works well thanks!
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05:27<dcraig>lol, ok!
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05:27<dcraig>/etc/issues is going to get long after a while...
05:28<sda>haha true, i didn't though that, so i'll put only one ">"
05:28<sda>really thanks! and have a great weekend!
05:28<dcraig>you have issues
05:29<sda>have i issues? what do you mean?
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05:31<dcraig>if someone is a bit crazy, sometimes people say to them, "you have issues"
05:31<dcraig>but you really do have issues...
05:31<dcraig>in /etc/issues!
05:32<sda>oh ok it was a joke, but without see the eyes and the tone of the voice, is a bit difficult to understand! :)
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05:32<sda>i thought i had really issues for what i've doe
05:32<dcraig>I thought I spoke clearly and with good tone
05:33<ras>my debian (actually gdm) won't boot, someone know where to look at ?
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05:35<sda>have a nice day guys thanks!
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05:37<EmleyMoor>Is there anything that will let me look at two binary files byte-by-byte for differences? (or, just list the bytes that differ?)
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05:41<SynrG>ras: more details, please
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05:42<ras>x won't start
05:42<ras>the booting sequence seems okay
05:42<ras>but then i got nothing, like black screen
05:43<ras>but i don't know what to check SynrG
05:43<SynrG>EmleyMoor: vbindiff
05:44<SynrG>ras: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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05:45<tuxcrafter>i am searching for a > 2.6.33 kernel for debian what would be a good source to find a .deb package with similair builds as the offical debian package?
05:45<themill>,kernel --release experimental
05:45<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-trunk-686 (2.6.37-1~experimental.1)
05:45<tuxcrafter>hmm ok i missed something
05:46<ilias>hi, i have 2 problems and i need any instructions. first - i want to enable official repos and the second is wifi card driver. help me please
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05:46<SynrG>ilias: official repos should be enabled by default. did your install break somehow?
05:47<SynrG>ilias: drivers tend to be included in the kernel. however, some of them require firmware to work. figure out what card you have and see if it needs one.
05:47<ilias>nope, i just install debian 6 and i dont have any repos but my disk
05:47<ras>SynrG, it only shows errors with Nvidia (lines with WW)
05:47<SynrG>ilias: did you install entirely without network then?
05:48<ilias>SynrG, yea ^(
05:48<themill>dpkg: tell ilias about make squeeze sources.list
05:48<ilias>offline installation
05:48<tuxcrafter>themill: thx!@
05:48<themill>tuxcrafter: no worries. Just remember that with packages from experimental, you get to keep both bits when it breaks :)
05:48<tuxcrafter>themill: ack
05:48<SynrG>ras: so, nouveau then. i haven't much experience with that.
05:49<tuxcrafter>themill: with only the kernel risks should be ok?
05:49<ras>Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) ( no such file..) \ NVIDIA(GPU-0) unable to read EDID for display device CRT-0
05:49<tuxcrafter>themill: i needed drdb
05:49<ras>actually i have the nvidia driver SynrG
05:49<SynrG>ras: the non-free one?
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05:50<themill>tuxcrafter: you could either say the risks are minimal or extremely high... what if there were a filesystem or disk driver bug in that kernel.... (that said, I'm running that kernel on a couple of machines here that don't seem to like the squeeze kernel)
05:50<tuxcrafter>themill: jups i understeand how it works :D but thx for the warning :D
05:51<SynrG>ras: following some doc for using it? recheck the steps you did
05:51<SynrG>ras: no 'E' errors?
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05:51<ras>actually it worked well until yesterday when i shut it down
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05:51<SynrG>ras: check cabling?
05:52<ras>the last thing i did was to try compiz, it didn't worked well
05:52<SynrG>ras: ah, hmm. did you upgrade the kernel before shutting it down?
05:52<ras>but i didn't save anything i think
05:52<ilias>SynrG, themill, okay i've done it, and i want to ask more, can i?
05:52<SynrG>ilias: don't ask to ask, just ask.
05:52<ras>i just typed "compiz --replace", but a reboot should not reboot using compiz, right ?
05:53<ilias>okay, what is the nvidia powerfull driver package name?
05:53<SynrG>ras: right
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05:54<ilias>tell ilias about nvidia
05:54<ras>so how do i boot and being sure i'm not using compiz ?
05:54<SynrG>ilias: you probably want nvidia dkms (i assume you mean the non-free driver)
05:55<SynrG>ilias: and yes, dpkg bot knows about that
05:55<SynrG>ras: dunno. i'm not a compiz user
05:55<ilias>dpkg nvidia please
05:55<dpkg>Install <nouveau> or the appropriate <dkms> package in non-free for your card, ask me about <nvidia dkms> <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. Ask about <nvidia lenny> for <oldstable> procedures. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
05:56<ilias>dpkg nvidia dkms please
05:56<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
05:56<SynrG>if it's just for you, personally, you could msg dpkg instead? :)
05:56<ilias>okay =) i understand
05:56<SynrG>(not sure what the protocol here is. i'm new)
05:56<themill>ilias: you'll have a separate tab in your irc client that you can talk directly to dpkg in
05:56<mattcen>Hi all, is it possible enable toggle numlock from the terminal? More specifically, I'd like script my login to ensure numlock is enabled.
05:57<SynrG>er, well, old/new ... started here in 1995, but i don't know *current* protocol :)
05:57<ilias>themill, ok, usefull tip, thx
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05:58<SynrG>ras: don't focus on the "last thing", but rather, all things that happened since last reboot
05:58<SynrG>ras: lots of uptime since last reboot? any upgrades in that time?
05:58<ras>just boot to try compiz ^^
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05:59<apet4u>ok so i was in hear earlier having problems just getting online
06:00<apet4u>got that figured out
06:00<apet4u>but my wireless card im having trouble finding sapport for
06:01<apet4u>its an antheros ar5006eg
06:01<SynrG>ras: pastebin your who /var/log/Xorg.0.log
06:01<apet4u>build in wireless car
06:01<SynrG>ras: whole*
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06:02<apet4u>i found the madwifi site but all the links seem broke...
06:02<SynrG>mattcen: i'm pretty sure, yes ...
06:03<apet4u>anyone gotta a fix for this?
06:03<SynrG>mattcen: hmm. in X? i've used xautomation for such jobs in the past.
06:03<ras>ow dear lord
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06:03<SynrG>mattcen: otherwise, not sure.
06:03<ras>SynrG, how can i check recently installed / erased packaged ?
06:03<SynrG>ras: in /var/log/dpkg.log
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06:04<gsimmons>apet4u: The madwifi driver is long since obsolete. Does "ifconfig up wlan0 && iwlist wlan0 scan" list any available wireless LAN networks?
06:04<SynrG>ras: you may find the 'pastebinit' package useful for pastebinning stuff when you don't have X
06:04<fnmueller>apet4u: did you install firmware-linux?
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06:04<gsimmons>fnmueller: Not required for ath5k.
06:04<SynrG>ras: (or even when you do :)
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06:05<SynrG>apet4u: ath5k (in squeeze kernel) should support that card, i think
06:05<SynrG>apet4u: no need to use madwifi
06:05<apet4u>gsimmons: SIOCSIFADDR: No such device up: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
06:05<ras>SynrG, guess i removed some packaged while installing compiz, if they weren't installed with Automatic dependencies, it happened to me one time
06:06<SynrG>ras: aha
06:06<SynrG>ras: now comes the 'fun' part of unravelling it to figure out exactly what :)
06:06<apet4u>SynrG: what can i do then im greatful for the help
06:07<ras>guess it can be that SynrG, can't be sure
06:07<SynrG>apet4u: are you running squeeze or lenny?
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06:07<apet4u>squeeze just downloaded the ISO this morning
06:07<gsimmons>apet4u: Sorry, "ifconfig wlan0 up && iwlist wlan0 scan". At least verify you don't have a kill switch turned on.
06:07<ras>actually, i don't have the time to check everything now
06:07<ras>i'll be back on sunday
06:07<ras>thank's anyway
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06:08<SynrG>apet4u: recheck your bios to ensure wifi is enabled. is this a netbook, by the way? if so, which model?
06:08<apet4u>wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
06:08<apet4u>no its a notebook
06:08<apet4u>Acer Aspire 5520
06:09<SynrG>ah. i lead the debian-eeepc project. i know lots about those, but nothing about acer aspire
06:09<mattcen>SynrG: Thanks, I'll check it out.
06:09<apet4u>im just trying to get it up and running to play SL lol
06:10<sahko>SynrG: now that you mention it, the eee repo is uneeded/unmaintained now, right?
06:10<SynrG>sahko: indeed. it was a short term solution while lenny was missing stuff in the kernel
06:10<sahko>ok, just verifying that, thanks
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06:11<apet4u>not to sound stupid but i am ignorant... to check my bios i have to go into setup when i first boot my comp correct?
06:11<SynrG>apet4u: i'm pretty sure ar5006eg has been supported for a very long time and is the same (or quite similar) model to one of the very first eeepcs
06:12<SynrG>apet4u: yes, that's correct.
06:12<SynrG>apet4u: if you have 'wlan0' then it is enabled, though
06:13<apet4u>wlan0 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:off/any Mode:Managed Access Point: Not-Associated Tx-Power=off Retry long limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off Encryption key:off Power Management:off
06:13<apet4u>im getting that with iwconfig
06:13<SynrG>apet4u: sounds good. it's probably just a misconfiguration on your part, then, if you can't get a wireless connection.
06:13<apet4u>it was trying to connect but wouldnt
06:14<apet4u>so im at a loss
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06:16<apet4u>what about it?
06:16<SynrG>is that what you're using?
06:16<SynrG>if so, there's a wireless icon in your panel. if it says "not managed" or something by wireless ...
06:16<SynrG>then you have a configuration issue to fix.
06:17<apet4u>okie well ill play with it
06:17<apet4u>thanks for the hlep
06:17<apet4u>help even :3
06:18<SynrG>apet4u: did you enable wireless when you did the install? (i.e. select 'wlan0' during network configuration?)
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06:19<apet4u>i tried
06:19<SynrG>apet4u: and if so, are you trying to connect to the same network as when you installed? if not, it could lead to the problem described in #606268
06:19<apet4u>but it wouldnt connect
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06:19<apet4u>so i hooked up the eithernet cable
06:19<SynrG>then check your /etc/network/interfaces for a 'wlan0' stanza, as per the bug# cited above
06:20<SynrG>hm, maybe not that bug, then
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06:21<apet4u>cause during the install it was asking for wep info
06:21<apet4u>and the router here is a wpa
06:21<apet4u>so i couldnt give it the info it needed
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06:24<apet4u>what ya thinkin SynrG ?
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06:25<SynrG>busy, morning routine ...
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06:25<SynrG>as i said, check /etc/network/interfaces for a 'wlan0' stanza
06:25<SynrG>and check the wireless icon in gnome's panel for wireless 'not managed'
06:26<apet4u>okie thanks again ttyl
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06:27<SynrG>ah, wpa. too bad, i might have suggested playing with different auth
06:27<SynrG>oh well
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06:35<lapfrog>hi guys i'm having some trouble with mysql server, I recently dist-upgraded from lenny to squeeze an now i can't start the mysql server. i can't uninstall it either cause the uninstall process tries to start it. I tried removing /etc/mysql and /var/lib/mysql (backed up, don't worry :P )
06:35<lapfrog>and it acts the same
06:37<lapfrog>well now i was able to remove it all of a sudden, though this time i was logged in through ssh
06:38<lapfrog>oh but i'm not able to install it again (fresh install)
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06:42<SynrG>lapfrog: looks pretty screwed up now. hand-removing files & dirs is generally not a good way to ensure everything is removed when you reinstall something. the process would be: back up precious data & configs, *purge* the package, reinstall
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06:42<SynrG>then reconfigure
06:42<lapfrog>oh purge ok
06:42<lapfrog>i did back up :>
06:43<lapfrog>gonna try a purge then
06:43<lapfrog>how do i purge, do i do dpkg --purge or apt-get remove --purge ?
06:43<SynrG>after the purge, verify the things that were giving you trouble are really gone (if not, you may not have purged all necessary packages)
06:44<SynrG>your choice. apt-get will attempt to sort out the dependencies for you.
06:44<SynrG>dpkg won't. it will just error if you try purging something that something else depends on.
06:45<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, SynrG
06:45<lapfrog>apparently nothing depends on mysql-server
06:45<lapfrog>and *-5.1
06:45*SynrG notes to self: don't start sentences with 'dpkg' when they're not bot requests. :p
06:45<lapfrog>dpkg won't mind
06:45<dpkg>lapfrog: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
06:46<SynrG>yeah, but i do. it's annoying
06:46<lapfrog>dpkg is annoying? xD
06:46<dpkg>no idea, lapfrog
06:46<lapfrog>hm i seem to have removed it
06:47<SynrG>lapfrog: sometimes NEWS.Debian contains important stuff for major upgrades. if such stuff exists make sure you read it.
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06:47<SynrG>there's an apt plugin for that
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06:47<SynrG>(i'm not sure if that's the case here, but it's possible)
06:47<lapfrog>hm well i got mysql running now
06:47<lapfrog>i'll just procede to replace the old config and data files
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06:49<lapfrog>well that made it fail again
06:49<lapfrog>so i'll take this to #mysql. thanks for the help
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06:50<SynrG>yes, like i said ... check any important upgrade news
06:50<SynrG>see /usr/share/doc/packagename/NEWS.Debian.gz or so
06:50<SynrG>and use apt-listchanges to receive automatic notification of such news items
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06:53<paolo>Hello! Have someone installed mysql5.5?
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06:56<paolo>Hello! Have someone installed mysql5.5?
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06:59<SynrG>paolo: you don't need to ask multiple times. that's just spamming the channel.
06:59<dcraig>maybe he thought bob or rage had installed it ;)
06:59<SynrG>also, your inquiry contains nearly zero information. if you have a problem or question, please just ask.
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07:06<deb08>I dist-upgraded from lenny to squeeze, and now my network card show as "disabled" when I do "lshw". (and I can't see it when doing ifconfig). driver is loaded (atl1c)
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07:07<deb08>lshw detect the card well. I don't know what is happening, any help appreciated, thanks
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07:10<ffws>deb08: check logs like dmesg
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07:11<deb08>ffws: nothing special, atl1c loaded
07:12<deb08>ffws: xorg is messed up too, it says it find device, but nothing in the config file that match thoses devices
07:12<ffws>deb08: ifconfig -a
07:12<deb08>it seems the dist-upgrade messed up udev or something like that
07:12<ffws>deb08: is it shown there?
07:12<deb08>ffws: yep, but as eth0, not eth1
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07:13<deb08>it seems the dist-upgrade messed the device listing in the system (don't know how to say it)
07:13<ffws>deb08: ok, so udev just changed the naming
07:13<deb08>I got some udev warning at startup since the dist-upgrade. Something about sysfs being deprecated
07:13<ffws>regarding xorg, it has nothing to do with udev
07:14<deb08>ffws: yes, xorg have nothing to do but the device listed by the system are related to udev ?
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07:14<ffws>try to move your xorg.conf somewhere and try it without, should not be needed if you use opensource drivers
07:14<dutchfish>hi, how to do an svn export after doing an debian/bin/ into my new upstream from git and having aplied my patches to get the debian dir into my new dir? (i know how to do the series part).
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07:16<deb08>ffws: ok. I'll try to solve the network card problem first
07:16<deb08>ffws: I replace eth1 by eth0 in my /etc/network/interface. But when I do ifup eth0 it says eth0 unknow
07:16<ffws>deb08: just change eth1 to eth0 in your interfaces file
07:16<deb08>ffws: exact message is : "ignoring unknow network interface eth0=eth0"
07:16<ffws>deb08: please copy your interfaces file to a pastebin page
07:17<ffws>deb08: and the output of ifconfig -a
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07:17<deb08>ffws: ok I'll do it. Will take a moment to transfer the file from the unnetworked computer
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07:21<sebastian_>Maybe my issue is to specific, but I have a weird issue. when i connect to my server (debian lenny) via ssh and install (ruby-)gems the connection freezes and i have to reconnect. any idea what the problem could be? google was not helping.
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07:23<deb08>ffws: network card UP. I'll disconnect to check it. thanks. I'll be back to let you know
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07:24<dutchfish>sebastian_: have you RubyGems library installed?
07:25<dutchfish>sebastian_: and is it a matching version?
07:25<sebastian_>rubygems is installed. otherwise i wouldn't be able to execute the gem command.
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07:26<dutchfish>sebastian_: 1.3.7-3 ?
07:26<dutchfish>sebastian_: also see:
07:27<deb08>ffws: nic working. udev changed from eth1 to eth0. thanks for your help.
07:27<ffws>deb08: your welcome
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07:28<sebastian_>dutchfish: i have installed the latest rubygem 1.5.0
07:28<ffws>deb08: you can set it back to eth0 by editing the peristent net rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/ depending on its mac adress
07:28<dutchfish>sebastian_: cat /etc/debian_version ?
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07:29<dutchfish>sebastian_: you need 1.3.7-3 , this is why your system freezes.
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07:32<sebastian_>dutchfish: why do i "need" 1.3.7-3? i don't think that is the issue here. and not the system freezes just the ssh connection...
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07:32*dutchfish nods
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07:32<sebastian_>but i will try to install the one provided as a debian-pkg
07:33<dutchfish>sebastian_: read chap 3.5 at
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07:34<dutchfish>sebastian_: either way, but it must match
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07:35<dutchfish>sebastian_: (i run into that trap myself a while ago)
07:35<sebastian_>dutchfish: i think i'll install ruby as well as rubygems from source.
07:35<sebastian_>dutchfish: thanks for the help.
07:35<dutchfish>sebastian_: yep, thats your choice, np, fully form source or fully from debians packagemanager, as long as you dont mix the stuff
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07:36<dutchfish>sebastian_: yw
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07:36<Sehcel>hi there
07:36<deb08>ffws: ok I'll try to edit the persisten net rules. Actually there is a wildcard, I think that's why it changed (don't know why the dist-upgrade made it change)
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07:37<deb08>ffws: now I have to understand why xorg won't load. I think the same thing happened to monitor device because the config file doesn't match the actual device (this is the error from xorg log)
07:38<Sehcel>please, I would love to have the the linux penguin logo at boot time (when init is running things), anybody know the best way to do it in Debian?
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07:38<deb08>first time dist-upgrade screw my system that bad...
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07:55<witte>Sehcel: maybe the linux-patch-debianlogo package?
07:57<Sehcel>That's just what I'm trying, doesn't know if there is a better way
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08:01<ComradeHaz`>Sehcel: splashy?
08:01<ComradeHaz`>Dunno if that's still an option
08:01<ComradeHaz`>used it a few years ago with reasonable success
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08:11<Sehcel>CompWizrd, it seems like it is now only a library
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08:33<BonJunior>How to set up a multicast forwarding?
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08:42<tuxcrafter>what is that command again you can use to make the kernel reread the partion tables of disks?
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08:43<tuxcrafter>i changed my disks with parted but mdadm isnt seeing the partions yet and i dont want to reboot (running from usb live disk)
08:44<tuxcrafter>Warning: WARNING: the kernel failed to re-read the partition table on /dev/sdc (Device or resource busy). As a result, it may not reflect all of your changes until after reboot.
08:45<tuxcrafter>grr the disks are not in use!
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08:47<tuxcrafter>well reboot it is ...
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09:03<tuxcrafter>hmms W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/debinst mount -t proc proc /proc
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09:03<tuxcrafter>when running debootstrap --arch amd64 squeeze /mnt/debinst/
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09:09<tuxcrafter>chroot: cannot run command `mount': Exec format error
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09:09<tuxcrafter>hmm djavu
09:09<tuxcrafter>i think i have to run an amd64 os to debootstrap a amd64 os
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09:13<tom4golf>apt-get d-u wants to install a couple of new packages. how do you tell apt not to install certain ones?
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09:14<Torsten_W>tom4golf, apt-get upgrade?
09:15<tom4golf>no apt-get dist-upgrade wants to install dnet-common and muroard. i don't want either, hold doesn't work
09:16<Torsten_W>then use apt-get upgrade
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09:16<witte>tom4golf: you can use apt-pinning
09:16<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead.
09:17<witte>or install the rest manually
09:17<tom4golf>true, but I was just trying to figure out if there was a way to hold those rather than trying to uninstall later
09:17<witte>tom4golf: is there a reason you don't want the latest version?
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09:18<tom4golf>they are not currently installed.
09:19<witte>so dist-upgrade says some new packages depend on these?
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09:19<witte>in that case: apt-get upgrade as Torsten_W said
09:19<tom4golf>doing a showpkg to look for reverse depends shows no reason for them to be installed from what i can see
09:20<madadam1>Hi, I would install debian without graphic interface on a old pc. It's a amd k6, which version should I download?
09:20<ichdasich>madadam1: i386
09:21<madadam1>ichdasich, thank you
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09:21<themill>tom4golf: use aptitude rather than apt-get and you can then use the interactive resolver to remove those packages from the solution; you could also temporarily disable installation of recommended packages if that's why they're being dragged in
09:21<ichdasich>it will automatically install a i386 or i486 kernel. dont go for a i686, as it is not supported on k6
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09:22<tom4golf>on another box i just uninstalled those packages, muroard was a cpu hog. I was just ttrying to see if there was a way to tell apt to hold a package it wants to install as new. I'll try aptitude thx
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09:57<amakusa>hello, I just installed squeeze and when I run startx as normal user I get the error:"X user not athorized to run the x server", I already ran dpkg-reconfigure x11-common to allow console user to start the xserver but to no avail, anyone know how to fix this?
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09:59<fnmueller>amakusa: it's just a guess, but maybe this is also now controlled by policykit
09:59<fnmueller>maybe you want to look into this direction
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10:02<priyesh>hello, i have a local apache server (running debian 5) and i want to do the following: access a virtual host using a local ip address. if i access the local ip at the moment, the main site shows up as it should. how can i set it up so if i do it will show me the virtual host
10:05<Black_Prince>maybe ScriptAlias /virtualsite/ /path/to/virtualsite ... You may also need to set some permissions
10:05<priyesh>let me try that Black_Prince
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10:07<priyesh>Black_Prince: I just set a serveralias with the name i needed and added it to the local dns
10:07<priyesh>all working
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10:09<Ben91>Does anyone can help me please ? I have some problems about Debian
10:10<sahko>hmm does anyone have problems with (auto)mounting in gnome in squeeze?
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10:10<bartm>Ben91, no need to ask for help, just ask the real question
10:10<dannyLopez>sahko: I have but in KDE
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10:11<amakusa>fnmueller: thanks, but I have no idea what policykit is, anyhow, I noticed that for some reason the file /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config was missing, so I just created one with the line "allowed_users=console", and that solved the problem
10:11<sahko>dannyLopez: do you get stuff like that?:
10:11<sahko>UDF-fs: No anchor found
10:11<sahko>UDF-fs: Rescanning with blocksize 2048
10:12<sahko>thats with an external hd
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10:12<Ben91>I am a noob in linux, I would like to config my network settings but don't know where to find this and don't know why but basics commands are missing
10:12<sahko>i just inserted a usb stick, and while the dmesg entries are correct, it hasnt been mounted
10:13<Nemoder>Ben91: man interfaces
10:13<fnmueller>amakusa: thx for the feedback. Policykit is a seat beased "security framework" which was introduced in squeeze in favor of the old group model.
10:13<sahko>nor theres an icon on nautilus
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10:14<sahko>the usb stick is mounted normally with (p)mount, the external hard drive cant be mounted at all
10:14<magyar>hi, which package will enable a /dev/dsp device for sound?
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10:14<dannyLopez>sahko: my sticks are recognized, but my internal hdd I can't mount in dolphin
10:14<Black_Prince>magyar oss-compat
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10:15<Ben91>man interaces works but not commands like auto, iface and so on....
10:15<sahko>dannyLopez: sounds like what im getting, ive even tried the liquorix kernel, but same behaviour
10:15<magyar>Black_Prince: thank you
10:15<Black_Prince>Ben91 you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces with such commands
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10:16<Ben91>I added "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" but what to do now ?
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10:16<Black_Prince>invoke-rc.d networking restart
10:16<dannyLopez>sahko: I edit the fstab & I fix that problem x)
10:16<Black_Prince>or just dhclient eth0
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10:16<ufohacker>oh my god
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10:20<sahko>dannyLopez: indeed theres an entry that shouldnt be there. will try it, thanks
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10:23<ben66>Thanks internet works now !
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10:23<bartm>i'm sure internet worked before :)
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10:24<SynrG>yes, i can confirm the internet was working just fine
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10:25<bartm>I used ffmpeg and v4lctl for tv recording on lenny. On squeeze I get no sound when trying "v4lctl volume mute off". tvtime works fine with sound. Ideas?
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10:26<chibapet>Hey all. Anyone have a notion of when a new kernel will hit Wheezy? shows 2.6.32 even in Sid now, and I need something newer to boot this Dell laptop I'm using. I'm on Fedora now, but I'd love to be running Debian on the box.
10:26<SynrG>bartm: it's easy to miss a channel somehow.
10:27<chibapet>Another option would be knowing how to go about building a package using the kernel-package-maker-thing for use on an install CD image.
10:27<SynrG>bartm: alsamixer to verify (pastebin 'amixer' output if you're still not getting sound/not seeing it
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10:28<chibapet>(I haven't built a kernel package in a dog's age, but I don't remember it being wildly hard. How to then use that in the installer, though, is unknown to me at present.)
10:30<chibapet>Anyone? Beuller? Beuller?
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10:32<chibapet>So far all I've seen is which talks about boot-floppies - is our installer still a floppy image stamped into an ISO?
10:32<sahko>chibapet: doesnnt the 2.6.32 kernel work for you?
10:33<chibapet>No, it's missing two things... Forgetting what one of them is, but the other is sufficiently new Nouveau drivers.
10:33<chibapet>One of them is some sort of random hardware piece. I'll dig around for a Debian boot CD to note it... Got the laptop here.
10:33<ansgar>chibapet: If the installer works, you can install linux-2.6.37 from experimental later.
10:33<chibapet>Oh, hm.
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10:34<chibapet>I tried searching Experimental and didn't come back with any package names.
10:34<chibapet>I'm guessing the name has changed.
10:34<SynrG>chibapet: debian kernel wiki has a good page
10:34<gsimmons>judd: kernel --release experimental
10:34<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-trunk-686 (2.6.37-1~experimental.1)
10:34<SynrG>chibapet: and as for building your own installer, wiki page for installer team has good stuff too
10:34<chibapet>I think I can install and just not have X, which would be enough to get the Sid package... Will try today.
10:35<chibapet>kk, I want to learn both, so I'll look
10:35<SynrG>it's more often easier to just use a standard installer and upgrade ...
10:35<chibapet> for both?
10:35<SynrG>unless you're doing this often
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10:36<chibapet>I hope not to do it often. This is my main work box. (Laptops are silly for that - should have had a desktop, cheaper and better supported. But I can't complain too much. :P )
10:36<SynrG>generally you don't need to compile your own kernel just for new drivers.
10:36<SynrG>you would need headers + kbuild
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10:36<chibapet>kbuild? I remember using make-kpkg or something. Same thing?
10:36<SynrG>normally with experimental kernels they don't provide kbuild right away, but i think in this case they have
10:36<chibapet>But I'm happy pulling a kernel from Sid.
10:37<SynrG>no, make-kpkg is for making kernel packages ... kbuild is the common kernel build system that all kernel modules should use
10:37<chibapet>ah, okay
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10:37<chibapet>oh, so I might be able to build a new Nouveau?
10:37<SynrG>so long as a module uses kbuild, it should be easy to build out of tree
10:37<chibapet>that's an interesting idea
10:37<SynrG>but latest drivers don't always work on older kernels
10:37<dannyLopez>I can't find the aircrack pac
10:38<sahko>its not there
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10:38<chibapet>I'll research it. And I'll install a new Debian on the box, without X, to see if the other piece of missing support is enough to keep me from using the box to try to build a new Nouveau, if possible with 2.6.32.
10:38<chibapet>I've got enough going under Fedora that I can safely nuke the Windows 7 that's on it now, for Debian.
10:39<sahko>dont know why, aircrack-ng isnt part of squeeze, while it was present in lenny. afaik theres no gpl violation involved
10:39<chibapet>The next step: nuking Fedora. It's not bad, but I don't have half the faith in it I have in Debian.
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10:40<sahko>dannyLopez: ^
10:40<SynrG>and they suggest 'pyrit' to replace it
10:40<SynrG>not familiar with that one
10:40<chibapet>Thank you all for the help. I'm sure my solution lies in one of these suggestions. I'll work up from least-invasive (can I build Nouveau against 2.6.32?) to most-invasive (Sid's 2.6.37).
10:41<chibapet>Have a good weekend.
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10:41<SynrG>chibapet: actually experimental
10:41<SynrG>not sid
10:41<chibapet>Experimental, noted.
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10:41<chibapet>Right, Sid had 2.6.32 still.
10:41<chibapet>Okay, cheers. :)
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10:45<mercutio22>keymap is wrong on tty consoles. I can fix it by running dpkg-reconfigure console-data but modifications will not persist a reboot
10:45<mercutio22>any hints?
10:46<Torsten_W>try dpkg-reconfigure console-setup && dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
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10:47<SynrG>look in /etc/default/keyboard
10:47<Torsten_W>/etc/default/keyboard is filled by dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
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10:48<SynrG>will dpkg-reconfigure overwrite your changes if you hand edit it?
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10:50<mercutio22>Torsten_W: will reboot. Brb
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10:53<Ethan>Hey does anyone think a 12 year old is capable of running an apache2 webserver from a toshiba laptop out of his house?
10:54<Ethan>cuz my cousin says he could do it.
10:54<Ethan>and i half belaive him.
10:54<sney>his bandwidth will be pretty limited by the home connection and his website will be pretty limited by the laptop hardware, but just a basic apache2 setup is pretty easy
10:55<amakusa>does he even know what a web server is?
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10:55<Ethan>Yeah. It's funny though. cuz thats exactly what i'm doing. he's kinda copying me.
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10:55<Ethan>and i think so. he programs in C# so I think hes knowledgable enough.
10:56<ompaul>C# arf arf :)
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10:56<Ethan>i dont like C cause your pretty limited to windows apps. i mean you can compile for other OSs but its designed for windows.
10:57*ompaul blinks
10:57<Ethan>I use python. mainly for CGI scripts and things.
10:57<ompaul>Ethan: you might want to reverse the phrasing on that
10:57<Black_Prince>C? or C# ?
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10:58<Black_Prince>You can run C# on GNU/Linux via mono
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10:58<Ethan>Run the IDE and junk or an app built in it?
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10:59<Black_Prince>Don't know, I just heard that you can run C# with mono
10:59<Ethan>C# builds are mainly for windows. i think it's POSSIBLE to compile for linux or mac OS x but its meant for windows.
11:00<Ethan>But I have heard of plenty of people coding in GNU/Linux with C#
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11:00<Black_Prince>Yes, that is true
11:00<Ethan>And i am NOT a pc.
11:00<amakusa>xterm does not have a copy funtion right?
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11:01<bartm>amakusa, doesn't select&paste work in xterm?
11:01<Black_Prince>amakusa it doesn't by default, but maybe you can enable it with installing gpm
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11:01<Ethan>Mac and linux are where its at.
11:01<bartm>amakusa, just tried it, works fine
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11:02<Ethan>Connect a windows PC direct line to the internet with nothing in front of it see how long it takes to crash. at least thats what I heard. never tried it.
11:02<Black_Prince>bartm in xwm it doesn't have right click
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11:03<Ethan>And then what do you use to rescue windows? A linux live CD distro.
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11:04<Ethan>Can anyone help with a CGI script written in perl. It won't do what it needs to and I can't figure why.
11:05<amakusa>bartm: what keyboard combination did you use?
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11:05<bartm>amakusa, select text with the mouse, and middle click to paste
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11:06<amakusa>bartm: HA! exelent, thanks
11:06<Ethan>so no one can help?
11:06<bartm>Ethan, not without seeing the script :)
11:06<Ethan>well i was gonna ask first before posting randome code.
11:07<bartm>Ethan, anyway there are plenty examples of cgi scripts in perl on the internet, so it shouldn't be that hard to solve
11:07<SynrG>Ethan: that's not the convention for asking questions on irc. precisely ask your question first, then wait for an answer
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11:07<SynrG>if you ask without content, most times you'll just be ignored
11:07<Ethan>no the script itself should work. there isnt anything to solve as far as I can see. but it won't wark.
11:08<bartm>Ethan, you might get better support on some #perl channel though
11:08<Ethan>ill post the source.
11:08<Ethan>i didnt knw there was a perl channel
11:08<bartm>Ethan, #perl on
11:09<SynrG>they'll be equally intolerant of a contentless question though :)
11:09<SynrG>if note moreso
11:09<Ethan>bye guys.
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11:09<Ethan>so do you want the source or not?
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11:10<SynrG>take it to #perl was the best suggestion
11:10<bartm>what SynrG said
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11:16<Ethan>You know there are 11 people in that IRC and none will reply.
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11:16<SynrG>, then
11:16<SynrG>population 580
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11:18<Ben91>Why when I try to install java with "apt-get install openjdk-6-jre-headless" it says "E: Unable to locate package ..."
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11:19<amakusa>Ben91: if that happened just now, you might want to run aptitude update and try again
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11:20<Ben91>I tried several times...
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11:20<bartm>Ben91, maybe the mirror you're using is not up-to-date
11:21<sney>or unreachable
11:21<Ben91>You talk about adresses in "sources.lst" ?
11:21<bartm>Ben91, about addresses in /etc/apt/sources.list yes
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11:22<bartm>Ben91, try : apt-get update
11:22<Ben91>I have the default ones " squeeze/updates main" + "volatile..."
11:22<bartm>Ben91, only those?
11:23<bartm>Ben91, that's the problem
11:23<Ben91>I got some errors with apt-get update
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11:23<Ben91>Hmm.... interesting
11:23<bartm>Ben91, show us the errors and your sources.list with "pastebin"
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11:24<bartm>Ben91, and, what is the output of cat /etc/debian_version ?
11:24<fnmueller>bartm: volatile was substituted by proposed-updates, I believe
11:24<sahko>does anyone know of a network connection manager, besides wicd, thats capable of maintaining a wireless network connection even when you're logged out? obviously networkmanager cant do that
11:24<bartm>fnmueller, that's why I'm asking the debian version :)
11:24<themill>Ben91: please put your entire sources.list in a pastebin
11:25<tjader>Anyone know a tool that will get a DHCP lease and show print the configuration received, but not apply it?
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11:25<Fl3x>sahko: roaming with wpa_supplicant
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11:25<tjader>Ben91: volatile doesn't exist anymore.
11:26<bartm>tjader, depends on which version Ben91 is using
11:26<tjader>bartm: he said squeeze
11:26<bartm>did he? I missed that
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11:26<tjader>14:22 < Ben91> I have the default ones " squeeze/updates main" + "volatile..."
11:26<themill>bartm: hopefully squeeze if he has squeeze/updates in his sources.list; but that's not going to be problem... he has no main mirror by the sound of it
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11:26<sahko>Fl3x: fair enough, but that doesnt work for wired as well
11:27<Fl3x>i see
11:27<sahko>ps. i know i said wireless
11:27<Ben91>Here you are :, yes it's 6.0
11:27<tjader>sahko: what kind of management you need for wired?
11:28<bartm>sahko, maybe you could manage your wireless connections in "interfaces", see "man interfaces"
11:28<sahko>tjader: when i plug in the wire, it gets connected
11:28<themill>Ben91: a couple of things.. apt-get update shouldn't ever give errors like that. That should be a bit of an indication that you've got a problem
11:28<themill>dpkg: tell Ben91 about make squeeze sources.list
11:28<sahko>tjader: that probably means something with dbus intergration
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11:29<themill>Ben91: you should delete lines 24-27 and replace them with the lines dpkg just told you about. You should also give yourself a real mirror.
11:30<sahko>bartm: interesting, thanks
11:31<Ben91>Thanks I'm going to test with the new urls
11:31<stderr_dk>Some of the errors from apt-get are probably due to the missing "http".
11:31<tjader>sahko: allow-hotplug on interfaces isn't enough?
11:32<themill>stderr_dk: not just missing http though; wrong server and wrong path on volatile.d.o
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11:32<stderr_dk>Yep, that too...
11:32<sahko>tjader: i dont know yet, it might. it seems it is from a first look. ive been using debian a week or so. i didnt know about those
11:32<stderr_dk>But it was clear that apt-get was looking for the "" method. :-)
11:33<tjader>sahko: it seems to me that interfaces + wpa_supplicant should be enough for your needs.
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11:34<dannyLopez>Ben91: I am a debian new user 6 I have this source
11:34<themill>dpkg, offline squeeze install is <reply>If you do an installation of squeeze without a working network connection, your sources.list will have a completely broken entry for "volatile"; ask me about <squeeze-updates> for a correct entry. It will also be missing a main mirror so not all packages will be available; ask me about <make squeeze sources.list> and <mirrors>.
11:34<dpkg>themill: okay
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11:36<sney> doesn't quite find my fastest mirror, but that's cool
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11:37<themill>sney: if people care about that, they can tune it themselves. It at least works where as hoping people can understand " where CC is your country code unless you don't happen to have a primary mirror in your country" is overly hopeful...
11:38<sney>yeah, I like
11:38<Ben91>Thanks guys it's working now. apt-get works and I'm installing Java. It's strange that some "http" were missing with volatile... I don't know why....
11:38<sney>I didn't even know it existed until now
11:38<themill>Ben91: have a look at what I just told dpkg.... it's a known bug in the 6.0 installer that will hopefully be fixed for 6.0.1
11:38<sney>it had better
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11:40<stderr_dk>themill: You said people can tune cdn.d.n themselves... How and where?
11:40<Ben91>Hmmm ok.
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11:40<tjader>stderr_dk: I assume he meant change it for a ftp.CC.d.o mirror on sources.list
11:41<stderr_dk>Ah, ok, that kind of tuning. :-)
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11:45<sahko>tjader: all those stuff seem easier than i thought, cause the dont seem to be geared towards wireless at first glance. ifplugd is only used to autoconnect wired?
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11:45<sahko>erm actually it seems it works with wireless too, didnt know that
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11:48<tjader>sahko: when I had a laptop and used both wired and wireless on it, I had allow-hotplug/dhcp for dhcp on the wired one and used wpa_supplicant for wireless
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11:48<Black_Prince>make install
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11:50<sahko>so you're saying ifplugd might even be uneeded, ok will research.
11:50<sahko>but later, thanks:)
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11:57<oxan>i'm having problems creating a lenny chroot on a squeeze system... debootstrap exits with W: Failure while configuring required packages. after I: Configuring sysvinit...
11:57<oxan>anyone an idea how to solve this?
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12:00<SynrG>oxan: no, but i can try reproducing your results. which version of debootstrap?
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12:01<oxan>SynrG: the one from squeeze, 1.0.26
12:02<SynrG>ok. that's what i thought but it never hurts to check
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12:07<SynrG>oxan: sysvinit is merely the last thing configured. it proceeds fine after that for me.
12:07<SynrG>so it's not necessarily a problem with sysvinit itself
12:07<oxan>SynrG: so then it's a debootstrap problem?
12:08<SynrG>or something environmental at your end
12:08<SynrG>try cdebootstrap instead?
12:08<oxan>weird. i've just installed this system and this is one of the first things i'm doing on it
12:08<SynrG>debootstrap has a --verbose but that seems to only increase verbosity about downloading, according to the man page
12:08<oxan>yeah, --verbose doesn't help
12:09<SynrG>cdebootstrap may have more useful output for --verbose if you run into the same problem
12:09<oxan>yeah, i'll try
12:10<SynrG>you ran it as root?
12:11<bartm>oxan, have you tried google? maybe it's a known problem
12:11<SynrG>nothing else unusual about your environment? running on lxc, for example?
12:11<oxan>bartm: tried, but only found bugs for older versions
12:12<SynrG>odd that it succeeds for me ... this is why i suspect something environmental.
12:12<oxan>SynrG: no, it's a freshly installed VM on ESXi, no other problems so far
12:12<oxan>cdebootstrap does work
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12:12<SynrG>oh, so it's running in a VM?
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12:13<oxan>SynrG: yeah, but a total virtual ESXi, so you've non of the lxc/openvz/xen things with the hypervisor. i'll try to reproduce it on my desktop
12:14<SynrG>hmm. yeah. that would be a good next step
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12:15<ttiicc>good morning everyone!
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12:17<oxan>SynrG: hmz, it does succeed on my desktop (wheezy, but shouldn't be that different right now).. weird. anyway, got it working with cdebootstrap
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12:31<Crille>hi guys. Im trying to configure debian console to use swedish keyboar layout. ive tried dpkg-reconfigure console-data, loadkeys se-latin1and reconfigure locales. does anyone have any suggestions what i can try next?
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12:32<Black_Prince>dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
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12:35<Crille>i didn't have keyboard configuration installed, and apt-get install keyboard-configuration didnt work, what is the name of that package?
12:36<Black_Prince>What debian version?
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12:39<Lethalman>Crille, using X?
12:39<Black_Prince>dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
12:39<Crille>no x
12:40<Crille>Black_Prince: should i use UTF-8 or iso-8859-1?
12:41<Black_Prince>You choose
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12:43<Crille>didn't work
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12:46<Crille>reboot did't help
12:47<Apachewiz>Can anyone tell me if this would work? I would have a newer system with WAY less memory runing apache 2 with the actual site, then on my internal network have apache2 running on an old dell pentium 4 with lots of HD and have that store all my site code and junk and just use links or whatever from my index on the newer system?
12:48<Apachewiz>or is that overboard?
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12:49<Apachewiz>Its just that the toshiba I have apache2 running on right now has very minimal space since I have the other partitions running windows for some other stuff.
12:49<Heinervdm>libreoffice-common_1%3a3.3.1~rc1-1_all.deb preinst contains this code: because of that i lost my /share...
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12:50<Apachewiz>does that make sense to anyone but me?
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12:53<themill>Heinervdm: this is known.
12:53<Heinervdm>themill: ok
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12:54<Heinervdm>then i can stop writing a bugreport
12:54<themill>!dbugs 613083
12:54<dpkg>#613083:C[libreoffice-common] libreoffice-common: Deletes /share and /user in preinst (); Sat, 12 Feb 2011 17:45:02 UTC []
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13:15<oleonard>Is anyone around who can help me with an installation problem? I'm getting a message about missing firmware files rt8168d-1.fw
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13:20<yhntgb>i hosed my system with upgrading to squeeze... grub doesn't boot-- not paying attention I selected to install it to /dev/sda1 ... as opposed to the mbr ---- i burned a cp of the squeeze CD#1 disc and booted into rescue mode. When I select 're-install grub' I get an 'exit code 1'. When I drop to a terminal window... the 'update-grub2' is not found. Issues (1) install grub to mbr, (2) rm from
13:20<yhntgb>/dev/sda1 -- any suggestions?
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13:22<bartm>yhntgb, boot a live cd, save your data
13:22<amphi>yhntgb: does update-grub work>
13:23<jorginator>Question: How do I make an existing repository (managed by debarchiver) use a newly set-up PGP key? The key is created, config is updated, but multiple runs of debarchiver does nothing... I've tried a plethora of options on debarchiver to get it to sign the existing files, but no luck...
13:23<jorginator> I don't get any error messages - but using "--autoscanall" does produce the normal output ("Write X entries to output Packages file")
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13:23<yhntgb>'update-grub' gives me 'not found'
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13:24<jorginator>perhaps debarchiver only does signing when anything actually _changes_ ?
13:24<jorginator>but I'm not keen on re-loading the archive from scratch ...
13:24<amphi>yhntgb: update-grub just does 'grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg' in any case
13:25<oleonard>Black_Prince: I followed those instructions, downloaded firmware.tar.gz for Squeeze, unpacked it to USB and plugged that in for the installation to find. No luck.
13:25<amphi>yhntgb: so you can do that yourself, if you have grub-mkconfig there
13:25<Black_Prince>Do not unpack it
13:25<Black_Prince>Just put archive on usb as it is
13:26<yhntgb>i get the feeling that grub isn't on the system... and i have a limited set of rescue commands
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13:27<EmleyMoor>I need external hard drives for backups, hosted on my Debian system. Are there any terms to watch out for and avoid?
13:27<EmleyMoor>(been using bus powered USB before but finding it difficult to increase capacity at a good price)
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13:30<EmleyMoor>For example, would this be OK? Presumably I could change the filesystem...
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13:30<oleonard>Black_Prince: No luck.
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13:31<jorginator>EmleyMoor: I've had "fun" with some make (sorry can't remember which) which had both USB and network.... Turned out that the USB connection was not a normal USB storage connection, but an emulated network connection...
13:31<jorginator>Despite the drive in question running embedded linux :-(
13:32<Black_Prince>oleonard do you have Realtek RTL8169 Net Card?
13:32<yhntgb>i'm confused why i was asked to re-install grub during the update to squeeze
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13:32<EmleyMoor>Don't mind as long as there's a way to do it.
13:32<jorginator>ah - found it: Lacie...
13:33<tjader>yhntgb: grub was updated to grub2 from lenny to squeeze
13:33<amphi>yhntgb: perhaps you must specify full path
13:33<jorginator>EmleyMoor: but to be fair: it may well have been a strange model. You should be OK as long as it is a normal USB hard drive
13:33<tjader>also, have you tried grub-install /dev/sda from the rescue mode?
13:33<amphi>yhntgb: /usr/sbin/update-grub any good?
13:33<EmleyMoor>jorginator: If it claims to work with a Mac, I guess it more than likely is?
13:33<jorginator>EmleyMoor: the simpler the better really - for backups you don't need NAS or SAN capability. Just a simple "external hard drive" will do
13:33<jorginator>EmleyMoor: Yep
13:34<tjader>After chrooting to the installed system
13:34<EmleyMoor>OK, will order 3
13:34<sahko>xserver-xorg says it depends on: xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-6. how do i make aptitude not pull all the xorg video drivers and specify my own? eg. if i 'aptitude install xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-video-neomagic' will that work?
13:34<Lethalman>sahko, remove xserver-xorg-video-all
13:34<sahko>Lethalman: in the same line?
13:34<Lethalman>sahko, first aptitude markauto xserver-xorg-video-neomagic
13:34<yhntgb>I tried the from "rescue mode" - "Reinstall GRUB boot loader"
13:35<jorginator>EmleyMoor: Actually: if they advertise a "web interface", that may mean that they don't use normal USB storage connection.... Just keep it simple, and you'll be OK
13:35<Lethalman>sahko, erro unmarkauto
13:35<tjader>yhntgb: mount the partition with debian installed somewhere
13:35<Nemoder>sahko: xorg should only use the driver it finds hardware for anyway, it shouldn't hurt at all to have all the drivers installed
13:35<tjader>then chroot to it
13:35<yhntgb>i then specify "/dev/sda"
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13:35<tjader>then do grub-install /dev/sda
13:35<sahko>Nemoder: im not only asking about that particular package
13:35<tjader>if you want I can give more detailed instructions in private, just ask.
13:36<tjader>sahko: before installing xserver-xorg install the driver you want
13:36<EmleyMoor>No web interface mentioned on this one
13:36<tjader>then when you install xserver-xorg it probably won't pull in xsever-xorg-video-all
13:36<oleonard>Black_Prince: I'm not sure
13:36<sahko>tjader: sounds logical since the video driver would provide *-video-6
13:37<yhntgb>when I go to the command-line and type "grub-install /dev/sda" -- it gives me "/bin/sh: grub-install: not found"
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13:38<tjader>sahko: that's how it's supposed to work.
13:38<tjader>yhntgb: you have to chroot to the installed system first.
13:38<sahko>tjader: BUT, the video driver depends on xserver-xorg-core which in turn depends on xserver-xorg...
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13:39<tjader>sahko: you could also remove -all and the other drivers later if you only care about diskspace and not bandwidth
13:40<tjader>perhaps aptitude install xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-video-YOURDRIVER xserver-xorg-video-all_ will work to make aptitude not even install the other drivers (don't forget that _ there)
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13:41<sahko>ok, i will try different scenarios later, thanks. bbl
13:41<yhntgb>tjader -- this is what i don't understand
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13:43<tuxcrafter>how do i test the supported algorithms of the kernel crypto API ?
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13:49<dannyLopez>help in a zip file that i want to open send me this error faill to find zipinfo in the path
13:49<ex0>Hello, after some updates my screen resolutions changes to 680x240 and i cannot change it to 1440x900 (bad english)
13:49<ex0>im using a nvidia 210 graphic card
13:49<oleonard>Black_Prince: lspci says Network controller: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Wireless Lan Controller
13:50<Black_Prince>That driver isn't even included in Debian Kernel
13:51<ex0>can anybody help me?
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13:51<Black_Prince>!ask ex0
13:52<enter7660>how enter to ubuntu es
13:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:53<enter7660>how enter to ubuntu es
13:53<enter7660>how enter to ubuntu es
13:53<enter7660>how enter to ubuntu es
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13:55<dpkg>Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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13:56<amakusa>anyone know how to make xorg autostart at login without a login manager?
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13:57<bartm>amakusa, there's a feature called "auto login" or something like that
13:57<ex0>after some updates my screen resolutions changes to 680x240 and i cannot change it to 1440x900. Xorg.0.log xorg.conf
13:57<Ben91>Thank you so much for the help guys !
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13:57<SynrG>amakusa: you could use nodm
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14:00<amakusa>bartm: where?
14:00<bartm>amakusa, do you use Gnome?
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14:00<amakusa>SynrG: but that will start x at boot, I need it to start only at my user login
14:00<oleonard>Black_Prince: If the driver isn't included in the Debian Kernel, do I have any option for installing it during installation of Debian?
14:00<amakusa>bartm: no, I use awesome
14:01<Black_Prince>And you wouldn't have use of it if using netinstall, because netinstall doesn't support wireless cards
14:01<bartm>Black_Prince, it does, I think
14:01<Tiff>It definitely does.
14:01<amakusa>bartm: I'm used to start X with the "startx" command, but I think I can just automate it without installing a login manager
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14:02<ex0>when i do "xrandr -s 1440x900" i get "Size 1440x900 not found in available modes" and after reboot i had this resolution, im using nvidia 210 graphic card ...
14:02<Black_Prince>oleonard and bartm
14:02<Black_Prince>look at What types of network connections are supported during installation?
14:05<tjader>amakusa: you could put something in .bashrc to check if you're in tty1 and then run startx, that should work
14:05<Tiff>ex0: nvidia-xconfig isn't a recommended way to generate xorg.conf files and most of what's in there isn't necessary. Perhaps you should retry with an xorg.conf file more like this:
14:06<Tiff>unless you have good reason for anything else
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14:09<ex0>Tiff: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg would works?
14:09<ex0>Tiff would ... works?
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14:10<amakusa>tjader: is .bahsrc automatically executed after the user logs in?
14:10<tjader>amakusa: yep.
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14:11<Tiff>ex0: No, that wouldn't write an xorg.conf which would use the nVidia proprietary driver as I suspect you want.
14:11<Tiff>ex0: As I said, try this:
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14:16<bartm>amakusa, I suggest you read "man bash" about .bashrc
14:16<ex0>Tiff: i restarted the x server with the config you give me but my avaible modes are:
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14:18<sergio>como estas
14:18<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:18<themill>!es-social Guest1188
14:18<dpkg>Guest1188: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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14:24<enter7660>how to enter ubuntu in spanish
14:24<ex0>enter7660: /j #debian-es
14:24<cahoot> #ubuntu-es
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14:25<bartm>enter7660, haven't you asked that just an hour ago?
14:25<ex0>!es enter7660
14:25<dpkg>enter7660: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
14:25<enter7660>the happen is
14:25<enter7660>no conect
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14:27<ex0>I cannot set my screen resolution to 1440x900 with nvidia 210 graphic card, i lost this configuration after some debian updates.. xorg log says my graphic card doesnt support this mode and it does
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14:28<enter7660>pero es para ubuntu es
14:28<enter7660>instale xchat y me cambio de sala y o e podido volver a conectarme
14:28<enter7660> instale xchat y me cambio de sala y no e podido volver a conectarme
14:29<bartm>enter7660, english please
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14:30<enter7660>I install xchat and change de grup
14:30<Levikov>How To install ATI Drivers Debian 6 and install compiz ?
14:30<enter7660>and no remember the other group
14:31<bartm>!ati Levikov
14:31<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
14:31<Tiff>ex0: So you're expecting 1440x900? Add that modeline back into the xorg.conf
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14:32<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
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14:33<Levikov>#ati to ?
14:33<ex0>Tiff: i tried it but xorg says my graphic card doesnt support this mode
14:34<ex0>Tiff: and few hours ago i had this resolution
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14:35<Levikov>wiki off site debian ati install driver ?
14:36<Tiff>ex0: should look something that building on the bare-bones one I posted earlier.
14:36<Levikov>Do you speak Russian?
14:36<Tiff>ex0: if it reports that it doesn't support that mode after that, perhaps it's an issue with the nVidia drivers themselves.
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14:37<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
14:37<tl>hello :p
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14:37<tl>no boddy answer in fr cannal
14:37<babilen>Levikov: #debian-russian @
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14:38<tl>can i ask here?
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14:38<bartm>tl, go ahead, ask your question
14:39<tl>it's about bind9; i have just install bind9 without any configuration, my resolv.conf is empty,
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14:40<tl>so i have i workstation i have configure it to use my DNS like DNS
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14:40<tl>and he can joint internet whitout any problem
14:40<tl>i can understand these, no forwording in the server configuration,
14:41<tl>the resolv.conf is empty
14:41<tl>et have comment the . zone
14:41<tl>and no way the workstation can joint internt
14:41<tl>any idea?
14:42<Levikov>ìàÿ òâàÿ íå ïîíèìàòü...
14:42<Darkenvy>hey so I have a problem:
14:42<Darkenvy>E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/
14:43<Darkenvy>the repos didnt return any failures either
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14:45<Tiff>ex0: Does the output of this match that modeline?: gtf 1440 900 75
14:46<ex0>Tiff: this output is xorg log after i copy the xorg config you give me
14:47<Tiff>ex0: and what do you get when you execute this: gtf 1440 900 75
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14:47<cjuner>enter7660, maybe try #ubuntu-es on
14:47<adb>Darkenvy, just ignore Packages
14:47<ex0>Tiff: # 1400x900 @ 75.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 70.50 kHz; pclk: 132.54 MHz Modeline "1400x900_75.00" 132.54 1400 1488 1640 1880 900 901 904 940 -HSync +Vsync
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14:48<NativeForeigner>alright, I'm goign to start downloading debian
14:48<NativeForeigner>I have an amd 64 architecture
14:49<NativeForeigner>and I will not ahve web during setup: should I get a dvd or cd setup, and which one should I get
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14:49<bartm>NativeForeigner, use the "netinst" cd
14:49<bartm>NativeForeigner, ooh sorry no
14:49<Tiff>ex0: k try that:
14:50<NativeForeigner>well, bartm, does netinst support wireless?
14:50<NativeForeigner>computer is far far away from ethernet
14:50<ex0>Tiff: ok ill restart x server
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14:50<babilen>NativeForeigner: I would recommend CD1 of your choice (Standard is Gnome, but there are others for KDE LXDE/XFCE, ...)
14:50<Darkenvy>dies anyone have a solution for me? Im patient btw, so take your time :P
14:50<bartm>NativeForeigner, what babilen said
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14:51<NativeForeigner>yeah, I'll go gnome
14:51<NativeForeigner>why are there cd43 and all that?
14:51<ex0>Tiff: same output
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14:51<babilen>NativeForeigner: Yes, but not WPA and you might have problems with your firmware. (There are build *with* firmware)
14:52<ex0>Tiff: (--) Feb 12 16:54:25 NVIDIA(0): Interlaced video modes are supported on this GPU
14:52<ex0>(WW) Feb 12 16:54:25 NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1440x900_75"; removing. (WW) Feb 12 16:54:25 NVIDIA(0): Unable to validate any modes; falling back to the default mode
14:52<babilen>NativeForeigner: Those CDs contain *all* packages in Debian. All 26.000+ of them :)
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14:52<Tiff>ex0: paste the full xorg log file if you could please
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14:53<ex0>Tiff: ok
14:53<babilen>NativeForeigner: I would just use CD1, as it contains everything you need to install a basic system plus a desktop environment of your choice.
14:53<NativeForeigner>babilen: so just get cd1?
14:53<babilen>NativeForeigner: Yes, but one second please.
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14:54<s_i_m>NativeForeigner, you can later get everything with apt, if you have the network.
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14:54<babilen>NativeForeigner: Yes CD1 (or DVD1 fwiw) is fine.
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14:54<adb> 20:47<adb> Darkenvy, just ignore Packages
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14:55<Tiff>ex0: oops, I missed something important out of the screen section. Retry this:
14:55<NativeForeigner>ty babilen
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14:56<babilen>NativeForeigner: Is the computer you install on the only one around? Can you connect to the internet or come here during the installation? I ask because you might have to download firmware packages for your wireless card and it would be a pity if you can't get online.
14:56<ex0>Tiff: ok ill try it
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14:59<NativeForeigner>babilen: yeah, I have plenty of computes ^^
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14:59<NativeForeigner>downloading atm
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14:59<ex0>Tiff: nothing
14:59<babilen>NativeForeigner: Which wireless adaptor do you use? If you want to make sure you can just download all firmware-* packages from
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14:59<ex0>Tiff: you want the output?
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15:00<Tiff>ex0: sure why not.
15:00<babilen>NativeForeigner: Ok, great. Just wanted to make sure you don't lock yourself out :)
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15:01<NativeForeigner>babilen: it's a rltek driver
15:01<NativeForeigner>it works out of hte box in ubuntu
15:01<NativeForeigner>but not sure about debian
15:01<NativeForeigner>had to get hte package for gentoo
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15:02<babilen>NativeForeigner: Gentoo? You want if you have one of the cards listed there.
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15:03<NativeForeigner>installed gentoo for the experience a month or so ago
15:05<Tiff>ex0: I've no idea why it is not seeing your modeline as valid at this point, seems like a issue with the proprietary driver to me.
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15:05<ex0>Tiff: i dont understand why it doesnt works after a restart
15:06<s_i_m>ex0: what are you trying to achieve?
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15:06<ex0>s_i_m: change my screen resolution to 1440x900
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15:07<s_i_m>ex0: and what is it now?
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15:07<ex0>s_i_m: 1024x768
15:08<ex0>Tiff: thanks for trying to help me
15:08<s_i_m>ex0: can you set it with xrandr?
15:08<ex0>s_i_m: no i'll give you the output
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15:10<ex0>s_i_m: when i change my monitor the screen resolution worked but after restart it changes to 640x480
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15:12<s_i_m>ex0: have you tried disabling EDID?
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15:12<ex0>s_i_m: no, how can i do it?
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15:13<s_i_m>ex0: should be explained in Nvidia's README. I do not remember the details.
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15:14<ex0>s_i_m: im searching on google
15:14<s_i_m>Option “IgnoreEDID” “true”
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15:19<NativeForeigner>babilen: does this version of debian have a nice GUI?
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15:20<NativeForeigner>amend installer to the end of that :P
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15:21<Levikov>help me
15:21<Levikov>please how to install compiz ati drivers debian 6?
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15:22<tjader> NativeForeigner it does have a graphical installer
15:22<NativeForeigner>ty tjader
15:22<NativeForeigner>although I'm quite capable of doing it without, I just want something that works ^^
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15:23<tjader>NativeForeigner: the graphical installer isn't the default one
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15:23<tjader>you have to select it during boot
15:23<Levikov>so compiz ?
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15:24<ex0>s_i_m: nothing.. you want the output'
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15:24<ex0>s_i_m: ?
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15:25<NativeForeigner>tjader: are there disadvantages to it?
15:26<s_i_m>ex0: Have you also added the respective Modes line to SubSection Display? Paste your xorg.conf ang the log somewhere.
15:27<witte>NativeForeigner: the graphical installer does not work well over serial connection to a terminal :-)
15:27<Linus>please help me ,debian does have "Dsktop Effect"?I can't found it
15:27<amakusa>man the mirrors are sooo slow right now
15:27<Linus>please help me ,debian does have "Dsktop Effect"?I can't found it
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15:28<Linus>how do i can add it?
15:29<amakusa>I'm trying to modify .bashrc to execute commands as soon as I log in, but I don't know how to, can anyone point me in the right direction?
15:29<tuxcrafter>why is debian tgt version 1.0.4 in debian ?
15:30<witte>NativeForeigner: in principle there is no difference between the graphical and the text based install, but I think the text version is the most safe bet, but that should not make a difference if you don't do anything special
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15:31<Linus>in fedora was Desktop Effect defoult to System>Preferences but in there isn't in debian
15:31<witte>amakusa: what do you want to do, is .bashrc the correct file?
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15:32<amakusa>witte: I hope it's the correct one, I use awesome and I don't have a login manager installed, all I want is for the X server to start after I log in, and if possible a few other programs
15:33<amakusa>witte: normally I start X with the "startx" command
15:33<ex0>s_i_m: any idea?
15:33<Linus>how do i can add it?
15:33<seppi>hallu judeth
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15:33<witte>amakusa: you can just edit the ~/.bashrc file, but I am not sure if that is the preferred way
15:34<witte>Linus: what is Desktop effect?
15:34<Linus>what is it?
15:34<s_i_m>ex0, change Device "Video Card" to Device "NVIDIA 210"
15:34<ex0>s_i_m: ill try with Option "ModeValidation" "NoEdidDFPMaxSizeCheck"
15:34<amakusa>when I edit the ~/.bashrc file and open a terminal I'm unable to use it and I get an error saying that I dont have permission to use the x server
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15:35<s_i_m>ex0, in Section Screen
15:35<Linus>how to?
15:35<witte>amakusa: right, .bashrc is called every time you open a bash shell
15:36<ex0>s_i_m: try with Option "ModeValidation" "NoEdidDFPMaxSizeCheck"?
15:36<witte>that is why it is the wrong one :-)
15:36<ex0>s_i_m: or restart without it
15:36<s_i_m>ex0, wait
15:36<ex0>s_i_m: okey
15:36<s_i_m>have you seen my last msg?
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15:36<s_i_m>ex0, change Device "Video Card" to Device "NVIDIA 210"
15:36<s_i_m>you have a typo in your config, silly
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15:37<DennisTheTiger>msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
15:37<DennisTheTiger>...oops! =D Sorry!
15:37<ex0>s_i_m: done
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15:37<s_i_m>ex0, restart X.
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15:38<babilen>amakusa: Just use ~/.xsession / ~/.xinitrc
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15:39<DennisTheTiger>Curious, why use apt-get instead of aptitude for the dist-upgrade for lenny->squeeze?
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15:40<ex0>s_i_m: same error
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15:40<s_i_m>ex0, well, let me see your config again =)
15:40<ex0>s_i_m: i found info look
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15:41<ex0>s_i_m: ok wait
15:41<s_i_m>are you sure you edit the right file, btw?
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15:42<babilen>DennisTheTiger: Because aptitude might "overthink" the dependencies (due to its rather advanced dependency resolution algos) -- For example: #590470 -- And because it works and has been tested.
15:42<jhutchins_kc>DennisTheTiger: Apparently on some systems aptitude appears to go into an infinite loop resolving the dependencies for gnome.
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15:42<DennisTheTiger>jhutchins, babilen: Ah! In otherwords, aptitude is too smart for the purpose!
15:43<jhutchins_kc>We _have_ seen successful upgrades of gnome using aptitude in channel, but the possibility exists.
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15:43<s_i_m>ex0, and the log?
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15:43<s_i_m>ex0, why did you remove the EDID option, btw?
15:44<babilen>DennisTheTiger: Yes, more or less. But a couple of people used aptitude for the upgrade and it worked as jhutchins_kc rightfully pointed out. I would just follow the release notes :)
15:44<s_i_m>ex0, you need it....
15:44<DennisTheTiger>jhutchins_kc: I think I was successful in doing this for etch->lenny without having to reinstall, but, well...
15:44<ComradeHaz`>Hi all, can anyone recommend an app for converting (and keeping the originals) a whole directory structure of flac files to mp3?
15:44<ex0>s_i_m: look the information page i give you
15:44<babilen>DennisTheTiger: Tools and upgrade procedures change.
15:44<s_i_m>ex0, I have done it.
15:44<DennisTheTiger>babilen: Indeed. Been following instructions from dpkg there, and am at the last step as we speak.
15:44<jhutchins_kc>DennisTheTiger: etch->lenny recommended aptitude.
15:44<ex0>s_i_m: Option "IgnoreEDID" "boolean"
15:44<ex0>This option is deprecated, and no longer affects behavior of the X driver. See the "UseEDID" option for details.
15:45<ex0>s_i_m: well ill put it againt
15:45<s_i_m>ex0, Option "IgnoreEDID" "false"
15:45<jhutchins_kc>DennisTheTiger: It's a problem specific to lenny->squeeze.
15:45<ex0>s_i_m: ok
15:45<babilen>DennisTheTiger: Well, not exactly the "release notes" i was referring to, but the procedure in a nutshell. :-)
15:46<DennisTheTiger>jhutchins_kc: Eh, not too worried, was more of a curiousity. =D Thanks for the notes though.
15:46<ex0>s_i_m: restart?
15:46<s_i_m>ex0, wait =)))
15:46<ex0>s_i_m: ok
15:46<DennisTheTiger>babilen: Hey, if it works, right?
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15:47<s_i_m>ex0, Option "UseEDID" "false"
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15:48<s_i_m>ex0, sorry
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15:48*DennisTheTiger idly wonders whatever happened with justin__ last night and idles for some food in the midst of a dist-upgrade....
15:48<ex0>s_i_m: ok
15:48<babilen>DennisTheTiger: That factoid contains the most important steps and ensures that people don't shoot themselves in the foot. The release notes contain a number of essentially optional but still recommended steps.
15:48<ex0>s_i_m: restart?
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15:49<s_i_m>ex0, yes. You can just logout of your DE.
15:50<ex0>s_i_m: ill do ctrl+alt+backspace
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15:50<s_i_m>ex0, or that.
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15:50<somebody>Is it possible to uninstall a package but not uninstall any of the dependencies that installed along side it?
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15:51<jhutchins>somebody: Pretty sure you can do that with dpkg.
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15:51<ex0>s_i_m: done
15:51<ex0>s_i_m: log ?
15:51<ex0>s_i_m: y conf?
15:51<somebody>hmm, thanks
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15:54<s_i_m>ex0, at least now it is seen that Xorg applies your settings from the Device section.
15:54<s_i_m>Feb 12 17:54:10 NVIDIA(GPU-0): Not probing EDID on CRT-1.
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15:55<babilen>somebody: What are you trying to do exactly?
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15:57<somebody>babilen: well I installed node.js via aptitude, but it's an ancient version, so i compiled and installed the newest version, now i want to uninstall the original old version of nodejs without remove the dependencies that installed along side it (because the new version is using it)
15:57<ex0>s_i_m: damn graphic card
15:57<ex0>s_i_m: any idea?
15:58<s_i_m>ex0, but it worked with that resolution before?
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15:58<themill>somebody: if you're convinced it will work ok, /msg dpkg equivs; When it doesn't work, you'll know what bits you broke.
15:58<ex0>s_i_m: yes it does
15:58<andreiberceanu>hi guys, does debian have any touch typing tutors?
15:59<bartm>andreiberceanu, yes, "klavaro"
15:59<ex0>s_i_m: when i changed my monitor the default resolution changed to 1440x900
15:59<andreiberceanu>bartm: tnx
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15:59<ex0>s_i_m: then after reboot changed to 640x480
15:59<s_i_m>ex0, so it must be related with EDID.
15:59<s_i_m>ex0, let me check something.
16:00<babilen>somebody: Why don't you upgrade the node.js package? Which version do you need? But to answer your question: You could mark all those packages as *not* automatically install by either running: "aptitude unmarkauto PKG1 ... PKGN" (for all packages in question) or by running "aptitude unmarkauto '~Dnodejs'"
16:00<babilen>somebody: Would 0.2.6 be OK?
16:00<somebody>babilen: well i have 0.4.0 working fine
16:01<somebody>i was just hopeing to keep a tidy system by getting rid of 0.1.9 or whatever it is
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16:02<someone>s_i_m: im ex0 connected in another machine
16:02<babilen>somebody: Ok, there are various ways to do this. I would probably try "/msg dpkg uupdate" (see too), a local installation with stow (/msg dpkg stow) + dependencies installed + equivs
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16:03<s_i_m>someone, ex0, can you add now that Modeline that Tiff suggested?
16:03<ex0>s_i_m: ill try
16:03<somebody>hmm apparently "dpkg -r nodejs" works. old version gone, new version still works
16:03<s_i_m>ex0, before, I guess, it was ignored because you had a typo in your config.
16:04<babilen>somebody: Or just don't touch the system at all, install everything that is needed to /usr/local and use it as you please, but let the system still use the packaged version if needed by other packages.
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16:05<someone>s_i_m: i added it
16:05<someone>s_i_m: now?}
16:05<somebody>thx tho babilen
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16:07<s_i_m>someone, did it work?
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16:08<s_i_m>ex0, ping.
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16:09<someone>s_i_m: wait
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16:09<ex0>s_i_m: i cannot choose the resolution
16:10<ex0>s_i_m: not appear
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16:10<ex0>s_i_m: xrandr -s 1440x900 Failed to change the screen configuration!
16:11<s_i_m>ex0, post your config and log for the last time =)
16:11<s_i_m>after this I will give up
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16:12<ex0>s_i_m: X.Org X Server 1.7.7
16:12<ex0>Release Date: 2010-05-04
16:12<ex0>X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
16:12<ex0>Build Operating System: Linux i686 Debian
16:12<ex0>Current Operating System: Linux simplyenough 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 04:01:41 UTC 2011 i686
16:12<ex0>Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 root=UUID=a7206d01-d730-49dd-a181-3815cf0b92fb ro quiet
16:12-!-ex0 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use or /msg dpkg paste]
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16:12<ex0> (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
16:12<ex0> (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
16:12<ex0>(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sat Feb 12 18:08:39 2011
16:12<themill>ex0: stop pasting
16:12<ex0>(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
16:12<ex0>(==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
16:12<ex0>(==) No Layout section. Using the first Screen section.
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16:12<s_i_m>ex0, use pastebin
16:13<someone>oh my.. fail
16:13<babilen>ex0, s_i_m: what is the problem?
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16:13<ex0>(--) using VT number 8
16:13<ex0>(--) PCI:*(0:2:0:0) 10de:0a65:19da:1044 nVidia Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210] rev 162, Mem @ 0xf
16:13<someone>i commit a mistake sry
16:13<s_i_m>ex0, same thing: Modes "1440x900" should be Modes "1440x900_75"
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16:14<someone>s_i_m: ok
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16:14<someone>s_i_m: now?
16:15<someone>s_i_m: restart again?
16:15<s_i_m>restart X.
16:15<someone>babilen: i want to change my screen resolution to 1440x900
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16:16<babilen>someone: is it listed by "xrandr" ?
16:16<s_i_m>babilen, no.
16:16<s_i_m>babilen, check his logs
16:17<babilen>I guess you've been at it a bit longer. nvidia-dkms with a snippet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ is not enough?
16:17<s_i_m>he has a problem with monitor detection
16:17<lapfrog>check his legs
16:17<someone>oh my.. fail
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16:17<s_i_m>so, it worked?
16:17<someone>s_i_m: still in 1024x768
16:18<s_i_m>babilen, your turn =)
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16:18<s_i_m>i give up.
16:18<Tiff>wow still not solved? hmm.
16:19<Tiff>i got to the point where it was reading the modeline, but it was rejecting it as invalid.
16:19<Tiff>modeline was generated with gtf
16:20<Tiff>and.. allegedly.. previously working
16:20*Tiff shrug
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16:21<andrey>what's the difference between s2ram and pm-suspend?
16:22<someone>no more ideas?
16:22<gnuday> Hi I've been working with simple-cdd and a pre-seed file to produce a semi-automated debain install CD. I want everything automated except the network settings which I'd like the user to be prompted to enter during installation. I've got everything working except I don't know how to set the options in the preseed file so as the user gets prompted to enter the network settings. How do I do this? thanks.
16:24<someone>Tiff, babilen, any idea?
16:24<ansgar>gnuday: I think you just don't set them in the preseeding file.
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16:26<gnuday>I've tried commenting out the relevent lines and the hostname gets set as the ip with each byte separated by a "-"
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16:30<stephankn>hi, I had apt with pinning to stable/testing. Now with the release of squeeze apt shows some broken packages. What would be the best way to go on? just remove the testing pin because these packages now included in stable?
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16:35<DennisTheTiger>stephankn: I'm *guessing* the best procedure would be to go with a dist-upgrade process - check dpkg (i.e., the bot here) for suggestions because I found out when I started doing the final steps that aptitude may break.
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16:36<heffay>i just used gparted to reformat my usb flash drive but it wont automount. the system tells me that the enclosing drive is locked. im only able to mount the fs from the terminal as root. can someone help me figure how how to get this drive to be unlocked?
16:36<heffay>i just used gparted to reformat my usb flash drive but it wont automount. the system tells me that the enclosing drive is locked. im only able to mount the fs from the terminal as root. can someone help me figure how how to get this drive to be unlocked?
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16:36<babilen>stephankn: You mean you are unsure how to upgrade to squeeze now, because you had a mixed stable/testing system before?
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16:39<stephankn>babilen: Hm, yes. And I have a setup that automatically downloads (but not installs) updated packages. Now it reports some problems. I wonder whether removing the pinning would do the trick to tell it I no longer want packages from testing
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16:42<stephankn>babilen: I found some chapter in the release notes that sounds interesting. I'm checking whether it applies to my situation... Hope it clarifies some things
16:42<babilen>stephankn: Yes, you definitely don't want packages from testing. (As testing == wheezy now) -- You should update your Lenny system to squeeze though. The process is detailed in the release notes.
16:43<babilen>stephankn: Just ask if something is unclear. It is very hard to suggest a course of action without knowing more about your system and the package versions you have installed.
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16:48<jwkokc>Can anyone tell me how to run (and view) bootchart on Squeeze? It doesn't seem to be in the repository any more...
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16:48<devil>jwkokc: its in sid still
16:49<jwkokc>devil, I loaded it from there, but bootchart_view fails to install because of multiple dependency failures.
16:50<devil>jwkokc: hard luck then. iirc it does not have many depends
16:50<devil>well, insserv might give you a hard time
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16:51<jwkokc>devil, most all of them dealt with java. however i'd expect dplg to fetch needed dependencies when installing.
16:51<devil>ah, i see it now
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16:51<devil>dpkg does not resolve deependencies!
16:51<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, devil
16:52<devil>you need an apt-get -f install
16:52<devil>jwkokc: why not use apt?
16:52<jwkokc>can that work with a downloaded deb file? i don't want to add sid to my sources.list
16:53<devil>jwkokc: yes, apt-get -f install tries to resolve the situation
16:53<DennisTheTiger>jwkokc: Is it not on the backports repo?
16:53<jwkokc>will try it then. thanks!
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16:59<jwkokc>devil, synaptic fixed things for me after I added backports to the main repository.
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17:00<devil>jwkokc: ok. synaptic, as you might now, is just a frontend.
17:00<devil>jwkokc: but backports is for sure the smoother solution
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17:01<devil>jwkokc: didnt think of it, as i am on sid
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17:09<jwkokc>devil, yep, it looks pretty good -- but now i have to tweak the bootchart.conf file since it cut off before completing everything. looks to be quite a bit slower than Xubuntu was, but I've not yet tweaked things and this box runs an old Athlon with only 439 MB of usable RAM after video gets taken out of 512.
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17:10<devil>ouch. low profile. good box for lxde
17:12<jwkokc>very low. it's my "learning" box where I don't mind messing up. it's running xfce now; tried lxde but didn't like its interface. i've replaced open office with abiword and that helped, also use localepurge to get rid of lots of fonts i never use.
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17:14<devil>yep, you need to trim it down. xfce does not really have a small footprint, compared to lxde though.
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17:17<jwkokc>devil, free shows I still have 100038 free right now, and no swap used. it's a bit close but no problem yet.
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17:17<ttiicc>I wonder if anyone in here knows how to install a gamepad "logitech precision" on debian 6?
17:17<ttiicc>I want to use it while I play old snes games
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18:00<albin>Hello! I'm having trouble with suspend on my Thinkpad X31, running latest BIOS. It's consequently not waking up from suspend, no matter what quirk I enable. (I've tried both radeon and s3_bios and that other s3_- option, both in pm-suspend as well as in the kernel command line).
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18:00<albin>This is running a newly installed squeeze system
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18:02<amphi>albin: what are you using to suspend? does echo mem > /sys/power/state work properly?
18:03<amphi>does cat /sys/power/state show 'mem' for that matter?
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18:09<albin>amphi: I'll take a look. :)
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18:11<albin>amphi: cat /sys/power/state shows »mem disk«
18:12<amphi>you could try 'echo mem > /sys/power/state' - it probably won't wake up, but you never know ;)
18:12<amphi>I only use suspend-to-disk
18:12<albin>It suspends fine, but it doesn't wake.
18:12<albin>same as before
18:12<albin>I'll try echoing »disk« now and see what that does. :)
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18:13<amphi>albin: you may need to tell the kernel what partition to restore from
18:13<amphi>albin: I use swsusp2 here, it works well
18:14<albin>Is that a package?
18:14<albin>or do you mean tuxonice?
18:14<amphi>I mean uswsusp
18:15*amphi is falling asleep
18:15<albin>that's not available anymore, is it?
18:15<albin>I thougt it was removed from the repositories a while ago anyway
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18:16<amphi>judd: versions uswsusp
18:16<judd>Package uswsusp on i386 -- lenny: 0.7-1.2; sid: 0.8-1.2+b1
18:16<albin>hm. Well, well.
18:17<amphi>I had installed before it was removed, it would seem
18:17<albin>I remember having some troubles with this before
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18:19<amphi>albin: #550725 "uswsusp: Causes serious corruption on Ext4, with swap image file" might be why
18:19<albin>Ah, probably, yes
18:19<albin>So I'll just have to wait for someone to fix it then?
18:20<la_tristesse>is there anybody who could help me with compiling from source. I have to build the libesd-alsa0 package for ARMEL since it's not there
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18:27<montyboy>la_tristesse, libao4 should cover it
18:28<la_tristesse>libao4 is allready installed but I'll get now when playing a file with esdplay
18:28<la_tristesse>get no sound
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18:29<albin>amphi: anyway, thanks for your effort, I'll keep an eye on that bug (and on uswsusp for that matter). Hm. Maybe build the version in sid or something.
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18:31<amphi>albin: good luck
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18:39<kristianpaul>Any idea why GMP_LIBRARIES is missing after install libgmp3-dev in squeeze
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18:40<kristianpaul>because of that cmake is not hapy
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19:01<montyboy>What is the Debian stance on LibreOffice? I know it is in sid but Debian is not listed on the DocumentFoundation Supporters page
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19:01<user01>montyboy, i think it is going into the next release instead
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19:02<devil>montyboy: installs fine on sid. OOo waves good buy, libre marches in
19:03<devil>and its faster than OOo
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19:03<DennisTheTiger>devil: holy hell, that'll be nice. I need something that doesn't suck. Any idea how the mail merge features are in there?
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19:04<devil>DennisTheTiger: its there, have not tested it yet.
19:04<montyboy>excellent - I am going to try and install libre on stable. Should probably purge OOo first...
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19:04<user01>i think someone is working on a backport for it for squeeze too
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19:04<DennisTheTiger>devil: Might just do that myself. I use it heavily come 'round Christmas, when it's time to send cards.
19:04<devil>montyboy: you need to purge any OOo packages
19:05<montyboy>user01, nice. maybe I should just wait
19:05<montyboy>devil, thanks
19:05<invitado>How are you?
19:05<DennisTheTiger>user01: I'd be very happy with that. Soon as it's in backports I'm good. =D
19:06<AjaX_>I just got a VPS with debian, and i was wondering if somone would mind answering some questions for me?
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19:06<invitado>ok.... i think that i have to say bye!
19:06<DennisTheTiger>AjaX_: Ask away.
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19:07<AjaX_>Im a little confused because it only has a root account, and im newer to linux. I have gnome installed, and i made a new user and added them to sudoers file.
19:07<AjaX_>but when i connect with vnc to that user, all i get is a gnome terminal, no toolbar or anything
19:07<devil>montyboy, DennisTheTiger: maybe look into before
19:07<DennisTheTiger>devil: Mentally noted.
19:07<devil>should be fixed today though
19:08<DennisTheTiger>devil: Good news.
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19:08<AjaX_>any idea how i get that user to have gnome working properly?
19:09<DennisTheTiger>AjaX_: For starters, I don't think you need to add the user to sudoers for VNC purposes - that's just to allow them access to some of root's stuff. Careful with that. =D
19:09<DennisTheTiger>AjaX_: Granted, I could be wrong.
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19:10<AjaX_>Well i don't know a whole lot about linux im very interested in learning though. But I knew i shouldn't be user the root account for everything. But i still need to be able to perform some root stuff i believe from that user
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19:10<DennisTheTiger>AjaX_: Ah, then you did, indeed, do this right.
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19:11<DennisTheTiger>AjaX_: Riddle me this, just how new are you? How long have you been doing...well, anything with Linux in general? Need this to tailor answers for you. =D
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19:12<Arrowmaster>running VNC on a VPS is a little odd
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19:12<AjaX_>Ive been messing around with a few distro's for few months, never really did much tho, can't do much outside of gnome lol
19:12<DennisTheTiger>Arrowmaster: I think he's seeking the GUI.
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19:13<DennisTheTiger>AjaX_: Got it. How familiar with the command prompt are you, be it DOS/Windows or *nix?
19:13<amphi>!tell AjaX_ -about fundamentals
19:13<Arrowmaster>DennisTheTiger: i know that, but i just mean its a little odd since VPSs, espeically entry level ones, tend to be a bit weak on specs and VNC would probably eat up most the resources
19:13<AjaX_>im great with windows, im comptia A+ certified, just very new to linux
19:13<DennisTheTiger>Arrowmaster: Indeed, good point.
19:14<DennisTheTiger>AjaX_: OK, that helps.
19:14<DennisTheTiger>!tell AjaX_ about pastebin
19:14<DennisTheTiger>AjaX_: You'll need that, because you're about to look in /var/log for any clues as to why Gnome isn't feeding over the connection for the user account.
19:16<DennisTheTiger>AjaX_: Also, Definitely follow the advice that amphi sent you - that stuff is something you'll need just to survive on some bad days. =D
19:16<DennisTheTiger>!beer amphi
19:16*dpkg deftly decants a fine Piraat for amphi
19:16<amphi>AjaX_: also perhaps
19:16<DennisTheTiger>Hmm... where in /var/log would his vnc/gnome stuff be?
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19:25<DennisTheTiger>...lovely, ran out of disk space during dist-upgrade.
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19:26<babilen>DennisTheTiger: Th release notes ask you to check for it. (And explain how to check it)
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19:27<DennisTheTiger>babilen: Yeah, my screw-up. Should've done an 'apt-get clean' prior to the 'apt-get dist-upgrade'.
19:27<DennisTheTiger>Eh, no time like the present htough, picked up where it left off.
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19:31<AjaX_>I'm just doing a new install and im ganna try again. I can't figure out whats wrong.
19:32<DennisTheTiger>Oh, THAT is where the overflow is. *removes old kernel versions
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19:33<witte>DennisTheTiger: you might want to do apt-get autoclean as well
19:33<DennisTheTiger>witte: Yeah, that's next.
19:34<DennisTheTiger>witte: It was on my /boot partition though - was a holdover from when I was still running Etch on this box, it's a 50 MB partition.
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19:34<babilen>DennisTheTiger: (in particular 4.4.3 for the space problems) -- I would recommend to follow the rest as well (volatile etc)
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19:35<babilen>DennisTheTiger: If you are not using the amd64 architecture adapt the URL to your needs
19:35<DennisTheTiger>babilen: Indeed, thanks.
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19:55<sznitzeln>hey, does anyone have time to explain how to install ati 11.1 drivers for squeeze? a link to forum post also appreciated! (im a noob!!) :)
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19:57<sznitzeln>when i try to build the package from the ati-installer i get the following:
19:57<sznitzeln>cp: cannot stat `/data/dl/atigarb/fglrx-install.3OjeSh/x710_64a/*': No such file or directory
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19:57<babilen>!fglrx one-liner squeeze
19:57<dpkg>[fglrx dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm ; mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf".
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19:57<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
19:58<babilen>sznitzeln: The ati installer is not support by Debian.
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19:59<babilen>sznitzeln: The one-liner above installs the most recent flgrx driver in squeeze and configures it. I would actually recommomend to use the free "radeon" driver. It works really well for a variety of cards.
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20:00<sznitzeln>babilen: stupid question: will it work with wine + starcraft 2? :P
20:00<MeglaW>depends on what you mean with work
20:00<sznitzeln>another thing, will the oneliner work regardless with how i have mounted my filesystem etc?
20:01<sznitzeln>MeglaW, are you implying it usually doesnt run very well?
20:01<sznitzeln>sorry, i have many questions, im really new to debian and linux...
20:01<MeglaW>at the verry least there is a performance loss
20:02<sznitzeln>is it a good idea to run the one-liner at once or break it up to several commands?
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20:03<DennisTheTiger>sznitzeln: Figure this. The one liner, when it runs as is, will simply stop before proceeding if the step works. That's what the && does.
20:03<babilen>sznitzeln: I can't tell you anyhting about wine and starcraft. The radeon driver is working really well for me. The flgrx one might be a better choice performance wise, although I am not sure how much improvement it will be as I don't really care about 3d performance.
20:03<DennisTheTiger>Basically, "run command; if successful, continue to next command;..."
20:03<DennisTheTiger>sznitzeln: Or rather, it will stop before proceeding if a given step fails. Sorry.
20:03<sznitzeln>MeglaW, i have intel core i5 2.8 GHz, Radeon HD6850, do you think running sc2 through wine is stuipd?
20:04<sznitzeln>ok i see...
20:04<babilen>sznitzeln: And yes, if you follow the one-liner it'll work. Just make sure you follow it to the latter.
20:04<sznitzeln>babilen, thx :)
20:04<DaOneGrinch>is there someone here that can help me install and manage themes... im pretty noob with linux
20:04<sznitzeln>wow i love this channel i wish i found it earlier
20:04<MeglaW>sznitzeln: i donno what sc2 needs, or what you consider lag, i know i run my windows games nativly
20:04<babilen>sznitzeln: Welcome to it :)
20:05<sznitzeln>nativly = on windows?
20:05<DennisTheTiger>sznitzeln: We try not to get *too* snarky here. =D
20:05<DennisTheTiger>Woot, dist-upgrade complete.
20:05<MeglaW>also, i dont see the point of making it work under linux when it will take time to do thats more then rebooting and doing nativly
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20:06<sznitzeln>MeglaW, so i have been told
20:06<DennisTheTiger>sznitzeln: Figure this. From my standpoint and experience, they misspelled the package name for "wine". It should have been spelled with an 'h' as its second letter, because that's what I wind up doing whenever I have a fight with it.
20:06<sznitzeln>i just really want to get away from windows :P
20:06<sznitzeln>DennisTheTiger, lol
20:07<sznitzeln>ok, so there are two drivers i can install, native and free, correct?
20:07<Arrowmaster>i know that when it came out, sc2 did not work well at all in wine if you had an ati card
20:07<Arrowmaster>dont know if thats changed though
20:07<sznitzeln>oh, nvidia worked better?
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20:07<sznitzeln>should have bought that then
20:08<DennisTheTiger>sznitzeln: nvidia just seems to be better supported. You have a chance to return that ATI card from where it came from?
20:08<DennisTheTiger>or to where it came from?
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20:08<DennisTheTiger>Dammit, I need coffee and/or a smoke
20:08<sznitzeln>dont think so
20:08<sznitzeln>but if i run sc2 under windows ati works fine?
20:08<DennisTheTiger>Something about the way the drivers interact.
20:09<sznitzeln>so for my needs is it bettre to install native driver or free?
20:09<DennisTheTiger>sznitzeln: Also, consider this: with sc2 running natively under Windows, you basically have sc2 -> windows -> video. With wine, y ou now have to deal with sc2 -> wine -> linux -> video.
20:10<DennisTheTiger>sznitzeln: Quite frankly, I personally discourage it because the more layers, the more complex.
20:10<sznitzeln>yeah, sounds quite bad actually, but also the value of avoiding windows is pretty high imo
20:10<babilen>no harm in trying though
20:10<DennisTheTiger>sznitzeln: This said, I think the best thing you can do is experiment. Try the fglrx trick; if that doesn't work, try the native drivers. Worst case, I'd go with running double-headed or being prepared to dual-boot.
20:11<sznitzeln>what does double-headed mean?
20:11<DennisTheTiger>You have two boxes - one with Windows, one with Linux. You may have a KVM.
20:11<sznitzeln>wow, i have to google like every 10th word you say :) lol
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20:12<sznitzeln>actually, the only comp with sufficient power i have is this one
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20:12<sznitzeln>sure, i could have this as a windows machine and take an old one to play with linux, but doesnt sound like fun
20:12<DennisTheTiger>sznitzeln: Then dual-booting may be the way to go. Please say you didn't wipe your Windows install.
20:12<sznitzeln>i never had one
20:12<DennisTheTiger>...oh. =D
20:12<sznitzeln>i installed debian blank
20:13<sznitzeln>but i have about 200GB free unpartitioned space
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20:13<sznitzeln>i left that as a last resort if i really need win to game
20:13<sznitzeln>or game to win for that matter
20:13*DennisTheTiger goes for a smoke
20:13<sznitzeln>so im still confused... fglrx = free driver?
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20:16<Arrowmaster>no thats the closed source one
20:16<kop>!tell sznitzeln about fglrx
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20:17<babilen>sznitzeln: I would try the free driver with firmware (firmware-linux-nonfree) first, then the flgrx (non-free) one-liner above
20:17<dpkg>[radeonhd] the alternative open source display driver for Radeon R5xx, R6xx and R7xx chipsets. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd. Squeeze users: ask me about <radeon firmware>. radeonhd does not support <KMS> (Debian bug #575226). #radeonhd on See also <radeon>, <radeon vs radeonhd>, <fglrx>.
20:17<babilen>fglrx one-liner squeeze
20:17<babilen>!fglrx one-liner squeeze
20:17<dpkg>[fglrx dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm ; mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf".
20:18<babilen>sznitzeln: And radeonhd has been deprecated, I was talking about "radeon" before (xserver-xorg-video-radeon)
20:19<sznitzeln>ok... the card i have is radeonhd 6850
20:19<sznitzeln>sorry if i forgot to mention that...
20:19<dpkg>[radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI ( The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Squeeze users: ask me about <radeon firmware>. #radeon on See also <radeonhd>, <fglrx>.
20:19<sznitzeln>does the same things apply anyway?
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20:20<justin__>Hello, I have a question
20:20<justin__>When I was going to set-up compiz
20:20<justin__>It told me to edit my xorg.conf
20:20<justin__>Appearantly, I do not have one
20:20<babilen>sznitzeln: Yes -- Just "aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-radeon libgl1-mesa-dri firmware-linux-nonfree" and reboot/restart X. That should take care of radeon. If that is not enough you can try the "fglrx one-liner squeeze" above to try the non-free driver.
20:21<justin__>And if I try to make one, I can't go into X
20:21<sznitzeln>babilen, thx a bunch
20:21<babilen>justin__: Just create one, or better
20:21<snama>justin__ how did you make it and what gpu do you have?
20:21<babilen>!tell justin__ about xorg.conf.d
20:21<sznitzeln>should i do that as root?
20:22<babilen>sznitzeln: yes, sure. You can't install/remove software or make important changes to your system if you are not root.
20:22<Arrowmaster>yeah just use xorg.conf.d instead of creating your own
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20:22<justin__>First off - will the radeon driver work with a 9600 from ATi?
20:22<sznitzeln>true :)
20:22<babilen>justin__: yes
20:22<justin__>I might want the radeon driver
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20:23<babilen>justin__: You typically don't need a xorg.conf in Squeeze as X configures itself automagically
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20:23<justin__>What should I add to my software sources to get the radeon driver?
20:23<justin__>I only get firmware-linux-nonfree
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20:24<babilen>justin__: It is probably installed already
20:25<babilen>!tell justin__ -about radeon
20:25<babilen>justin__: aptitude show xserver-xorg-video-radeon will show you for example
20:26<justin__>Kay then.
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20:26<sznitzeln>babilen, after i have installed xorg driver, do i have to configure it?
20:27<sznitzeln>i think i have some problem with Direct rendering / OpenGL drivers being absent
20:27<babilen>no (in most cases) -- just try it by rebooting or restart X ... you can then check if everything is fine by running, for example, glxinfo or having a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
20:27<sznitzeln>sorry forgot rebooting...
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20:32<sznitzeln>i have a mystery...
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20:33<sznitzeln>jacob@miyagi:~$ cd .wine
20:33<sznitzeln>bash: cd: .wine: The file or folder can not be found
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20:34<sznitzeln>sorry for past
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20:34<sznitzeln>ok my problem is: im in my home folder, locate tells me that there is a folder named .wine
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20:34<sznitzeln>but when i cd into it, it can not be found...
20:35<sznitzeln>any explanation for this?
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20:36<babilen>sznitzeln: what does "ls -l ~/.wine" give you?
20:36<sznitzeln>lrwxrwxrwx 1 jacob jacob 11 12 feb 11.16 /home/jacob/.wine -> /data/.wine
20:36<babilen>sznitzeln: The locate database might be outdated. Also: Is the radeon card working fine now? What is the output of glxinfo?
20:37<sznitzeln>i dotn know because now wine doesnt run... :/
20:37<babilen>sznitzeln: /data ? did you create that?
20:37<babilen>ah, bad choice :)
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20:37<sznitzeln>that is the folder i am mounting my largest partition
20:37<sznitzeln>yeah im beginning to realize that
20:37<sznitzeln>ive only used debian for 2 days
20:37<sznitzeln>tried to google forums for good ways to manage partitions
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20:37<babilen>sznitzeln: Not a real problem, just not in accordance with the naming standards.
20:38<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or, or "man hier".
20:38<sznitzeln>yeah, my /data is almost empty, maybe i can delete the partition and increase the size of my /home?
20:38<sznitzeln>i only have sc2 installed on /data but i could reinstall
20:39<babilen>sznitzeln: But that is not important right now. What does "getfacl ~/.wine /data/.wine" give you? ->
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20:39<babilen>sznitzeln: And paste the "cd ~/.wine" and "cd /data/.wine" as well
20:39<sznitzeln>it says i dont have getfacl
20:39<babilen>sznitzeln: You should also verify that your card is working ok ... glxinfo and /var/log/Xorg.0.log are interesting in that regard
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20:41<sznitzeln>direct rendering: yes
20:41<sznitzeln>and lots of lots of info...
20:41<babilen>sznitzeln: Ah, sorry. What about "ls -la ~|grep .wine" and "ls -la /data" ?
20:41<sznitzeln>lrwxrwxrwx 1 jacob jacob 11 12 feb 11.16 .wine -> /data/.wine
20:42<sznitzeln>data hasnt got .wine
20:42<babilen>sznitzeln: Well, that's your problem :)
20:42<sznitzeln>i created a symbolic link to .wine
20:42<sznitzeln>that should be it no?
20:42<sznitzeln>should i just remove it?
20:43<babilen>sznitzeln: I have no idea why you created that link, but it can't really hurt to "rm ~/.wine"
20:43<sznitzeln>babilen, yes its my problem indeed, and i am really greatful for the help you have given me
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20:43<jwkokc>sznitzeln, first give us the output of "ls -l /data" since you may have a simpler solution possible..
20:43<sznitzeln>the reason was that when i installed sc2 it would write onto my /home partition which is to small to hold sc2
20:43<sznitzeln>ok, but the paste link doesnt work for me
20:44<sznitzeln>should i /msg you?
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20:44<babilen>why can't you paste?
20:44<sznitzeln>if i paste here i will be kicked right?
20:44<sznitzeln>and the link you gave me doesnt work
20:44<babilen>What is wrong with ?
20:44<sznitzeln>ah .net
20:44<babilen>!doesn't work
20:44<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
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20:45<sznitzeln>you wrote .org
20:45<babilen>ah, bad muscle memory.
20:45<sznitzeln>haha nice script... dosent work
20:46<babilen>sznitzeln: You don't want to know how many people come here and say "Help! My Debian doesn't work"
20:47<sznitzeln>i can figure, i admire your patience
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20:49<sznitzeln>there closed a bunch of windows, so if you want me to paste more, it will be a lot quicker
20:49<babilen>sznitzeln: That was the output of "ls -l /data" not "ls -la /data" but it is not important now. I guess that there is some way to convince wine to install programs somewhere else than in you home directory. And If it insists on installing everyhting to ~/.wine you could just "ln -s /data /home/YOUR_USERNAME/.wine"
20:50<sznitzeln>babilen, i think that was the symbolic link i created
20:50<babilen>sznitzeln: Yes, we already know that you don't have a /data/.wine directory. (ls -l /data/.wine would have shown that too fwiw)
20:50<sznitzeln>i have also manully edited a file, whoose name i forgot, to automatically mount sda2 in /data
20:50<babilen>sznitzeln: not exactly the same symbolic link. Anyway, is it working now? I can't really help you much with wine though
20:51<sznitzeln>i might have done something incorrectly there which is causing this
20:51<sznitzeln>no, i think i just have to reinstall wine
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20:54<sznitzeln>because i have probably deleted or destroyed the folder .wine which seems to be necessary for somethign
20:54<sznitzeln>but strangely wine runs when i su first
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20:56<sznitzeln>sorry to bother you so much, but a last question... does this tell you anything:
20:57<babilen>sznitzeln: Please don't just try random things -- It is *not* a good idea to run wine as root. If it helps it hints at a permission problem. What is the error you are getting? Also what is "ls -l /|grep data" ?
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20:57<babilen>sznitzeln: No, I haven't seent that. And in order to diagnose that I would have to see the glxinfo output.
20:58<sznitzeln>ill paste in a min if it doesnt work now
20:58<sznitzeln>which it probably wont
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20:59<babilen>sznitzeln: Please keep in mind that it is not clear that you don't have to install the fglrx driver (remember /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner squeeze)
21:00<sznitzeln>yeah, sure
21:00<babilen>sznitzeln: mkdir ~/.wine and do it again
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21:00<marioxcc> hi
21:00<sznitzeln>here's glxinfo:
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21:01<marioxcc>I have heard there is a fully free kernel for mainline debian now
21:01<babilen>sznitzeln: You are not using hardware rendering. Is libgl1-mesa installed?
21:01<marioxcc>how is that?
21:01<sznitzeln>babilen, the first problem with the .wine folder seems to be 'solved', after i entered and exited su, wine ran fine
21:01<babilen>marioxcc: It is wonderful. It even cooks free coffee.
21:01<babilen>sznitzeln: su?
21:01<sznitzeln>babilen, nope, unless it installs automatically with
21:02<sznitzeln>yeah i typed su
21:02<sznitzeln>then exit
21:02<sznitzeln>and then it didnt complain about not finding .wine
21:02<sznitzeln>but sc2 crashed anyway
21:02<sznitzeln>how do i check if libgll-mesa is installed?
21:02<marioxcc>I mean, is this kernel included in the default download?
21:02<babilen>sznitzeln: I asked you a while (before the reboot) to run "aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-radeon libgl1-mesa-dri firmware-linux-nonfree"
21:03<sznitzeln>yeah i did that
21:03<sznitzeln>so it should be installed
21:03<sznitzeln>didnt seem to be any error messages either
21:03<babilen>sznitzeln: libgl1-mesa-dri is the name of the package -- could you check it "aptitude show libgl1-mesa-dri"
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21:04<sznitzeln>it says "installed"
21:04<babilen>sznitzeln: /var/log/Xorg.0.log then
21:05<babilen>sznitzeln: but I am off soon. A few things before that: What do you meant by "entered and exited su" earlier? And did the "mkdir ~/.wine" solve the problem or something else?
21:05<osiris>Hi, I need your help... If I need to make "void" package for make administrator configurations (like add ldap configuration to machines, set environment, etc)... but: this package -need- to ask user information about something (like what ldap server to use). I think in something like metapackage using debconf (for ask to user the information). what's the best way? The point is to ask user information about X (solution is debconf, I suppose...)
21:05<sznitzeln>babilen, i wrote su to login as root
21:05<sney>#debian-mentors is the best place for packaging questions, osiris
21:05<sznitzeln>then typed exit
21:05<sznitzeln>i wouldnt say mkdir solved the problem
21:06<sznitzeln>or maybe it solved some part of the problem... wine did actually run
21:06<sznitzeln>but crashed
21:06<osiris>sney: thx, I'll go now
21:07<sznitzeln>so as root wine executed, and after loging out as root wine executed under the user 'jacob', however crashed
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21:07<babilen>sznitzeln: why do you had to login as root and exit immediately?
21:08<sznitzeln>i didnt exit immediately
21:08<sznitzeln>i ran win while loged in
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21:08<sznitzeln>(execution fine but crashed)
21:08<babilen>sznitzeln: Also, it looks as if you are using "VESA" and not radeon. Not sure why and tired, sney will probably love to help you :-)
21:08<sznitzeln>then i loged out and executed wine again
21:08<babilen>sney: ;-p
21:08<sznitzeln>man you are really generous with your time appreciate it
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21:09<babilen>sznitzeln: Don't run random things and especially not things like wine as root. it is not necessary.
21:09<sznitzeln>do you actually work for debian or something*?
21:09<sznitzeln>i admit my attempts are not the 'best' because i am a noob, but not really completely random...
21:09<babilen>sznitzeln: No, we are all volunteers. Although I would prefer to work on something else than getting starcraft to run. :)
21:09<babilen>sznitzeln: yes, not entirely random.
21:10<sney>nooo I'm busy playing minecraft
21:10<sznitzeln>you dont have to help me more now
21:10<sznitzeln>ill try the oneliner first
21:10<sznitzeln>thanks a lot
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21:11<babilen>sznitzeln: Be that as it may, I wish you the very best. To be honest: I would just try the fglrx one-liner. That might be easier than figuring out why the radeon driver is not used and it is a one-liner nonetheless. It would IMHO be worth to investigage radeon further in the future though.
21:11<babilen>sznitzeln: Also make sure that you did not fuck up some permissions by running wine as root so your user can't read some files now.
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21:12<babilen>I wish you the best and may you have a nice night.
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21:12<sznitzeln>i wish you the very best aswell, and have a good night/evening/day :)
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21:13<babilen>night (UTC)
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21:16<sznitzeln>!fglrx one-liner squeeze
21:16<dpkg>[fglrx dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm ; mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf".
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21:34<bighornram>what application am I missing on my cli squeeze server? it doesn't know "mail" command.
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21:36<montyboy>mail is also handled by the alternatives
21:37<SynrG>ah, hmm
21:37<SynrG>used to be mailx :) checking my own system
21:37<montyboy>it is SynrG
21:37<SynrG>is now bsd-mailx
21:37<montyboy>bsd-mailx by default
21:37*SynrG nods
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22:05<Nach>Is there a simple way to remove all installed transitional packages?
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22:17<mib_pa8w7p>hi all
22:18<mib_pa8w7p>how do i make tftp-hpa listen to eth0 instead of all interfaces?
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22:19<mib_pa8w7p>any 1 alive here?
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22:20<kop>mib_pa8w7p: Hang on. Have you read the man page?
22:20<mib_pa8w7p>i have, didn't work
22:20<kop>magyar: What release of debian?
22:21<kop>!tell mib_pa8w7p about readme.debian
22:22<mib_pa8w7p>i use netstat -tpan to check for listening but its not there
22:22<kop>mib_pa8w7p: Might be there. That's how I found how to configure it on 5.
22:22<kop>mib_pa8w7p: tfpt is udp.
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22:23<kop>mib_pa8w7p: not tcp so netstat -t won't work.
22:23<mib_pa8w7p>okay okay got it now thanks
22:23<mib_pa8w7p>udp/tcp ?????
22:24<kop>mib_pa8w7p: Also netstat wants -l. (And, netstat is probably depreciated and we should all be using ip now anyway....)
22:24<kop>mib_pa8w7p: ?
22:24<mib_pa8w7p>what's 'ip'
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22:25<kop>mib_pa8w7p: man ip
22:26<mib_pa8w7p>think i will stick with netstat till I get used to this, thanks again guys
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22:33<sney>E: Release file expired, ignoring (invalid since 1d 19h 16min 36s)
22:33<sney>file under "things that make sney go hmm"
22:33<sney>I guess I'll just wait and see if it causes any problems
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23:08<rklz>hi there
23:09<rklz>looking for help here
23:09<rklz>From Argentina :)
23:09<daylove>will try to help
23:09<rklz>im running OpenVPN on Debian Squeeze
23:10<rklz>clients sees server
23:10<rklz>server sees client
23:10<rklz>ping resources all
23:10<rklz>i cant ping or view resources on machines BEHIND server's lan
23:10<rklz>There's only one lan 192.168.0.x
23:10<rklz>OpenVPN server is also the lan gateway
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23:10<rklz>i got the "push" command in server config
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23:11<rklz>i've also tried to postrouting lan pcs with iptables
23:11<rklz>didnt work
23:11<rklz>dunno what else can i do
23:13<daylove>did you set ip forward in sysctl
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23:14<rklz>pro sys net ipv4 ip_forward = 1
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23:15<Arrowmaster>the same local net isnt used for both sides is it
23:15<daylove>what about static routes in the routing table
23:16<rklz>@Arrowmaster , in my home (one of the VPN clients) yes, there's the same net 192.168.0.x
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23:16<rklz>in my friends hose (another VPN client)
23:16<rklz>theres the 192.168.1.x network
23:16<rklz>and cant ping machines behind server either
23:16<rklz>i've tryed to set up static routes
23:17<rklz>didnt work :(
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23:17<daylove>in your setup the server will need a different ip try 10.?.?.?
23:17<Arrowmaster>well if the server is on 192.168.0.x too it will never work from your home
23:17<daylove>and 10.?.?.2 for the other side
23:18<rklz>the server got eth0 (external ip) 190.193.x.x , eth1 , tun0
23:18<Arrowmaster>would work then
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23:19<daylove>did you set up static route from 10 to 192 network???
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23:20<rklz>from LAN pcs , can ping and
23:20<rklz>(OpenVPN server's ips)
23:20<rklz>its driving me mad
23:20<rklz>i cant solve it
23:20<rklz>maybe Iroutes ?
23:20<rklz>cdd / iroutes?
23:21<daylove>try walking through your config, maybe there is something missing. sorry
23:21<rklz>can i show you the server's config ?
23:22<rklz>give me a minute
23:24<rklz>well , the server in my datacenter is down :(
23:24<rklz>cant show u the config
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23:25<rklz>i guess ill keep trying
23:25<rklz>thank u for ur time
23:26<daylove>thank you and good night
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23:32<justin__>I have a question
23:33<justin__>How do I configure compiz in debian 6.0.0?
23:33<justin__>I googled it
23:33<mothermcfucker>there should be a compositing effects in each desktop
23:33<justin__>It tells me to add something in xorg.conf
23:33<rklz>gnome / kde / xfce ?
23:33<astronut>how do i get xorg to spit out the auto-generated conf so i can edit it?
23:33<justin__>But I do not even have an xorg.conf
23:33<justin__>Yeah, astronut's question
23:33<rklz>apt-get install simple-ccsm
23:33<mothermcfucker>You can rerun Xorg -config if you kill the dm
23:34<justin__>Wait, what?
23:34<mothermcfucker>use kill to stop the process
23:34<mothermcfucker>su to root
23:34<mothermcfucker>run Xorg -config
23:35<mothermcfucker>be sure you backup the debxorg file first
23:35<justin__>Where is that?
23:35<justin__>Wait, besides remaking the xorg.conf file
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23:35<justin__>How do I enable compiz in debian?
23:35<rklz>#1 :
23:35<mothermcfucker>There should be a desktop setting and effects
23:36<rklz>install your graphic card driver
23:36<justin__>I do have radeon drivers.
23:36<rklz>#2 :
23:36<rklz>secondary click on empy desktop space
23:36<rklz>"change desktop background"
23:36<rklz>"visual effects"
23:36<justin__>There's nothing there.
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23:36<justin__>Only fonts, theme, and background
23:37<rklz> ok please install simple-ccsm
23:37<mothermcfucker>What's in the administrator menu?
23:37<justin__>I already have comp.. Oh, now I get it.
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23:37<justin__>Let me check sypnatic
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23:38<justin__>There is no simple-ccsm
23:38<justin__>Do I have to add ANOTHER part to my software sources/sources.list?
23:38<mothermcfucker>have you looked for a package or source online?
23:39<justin__>How about just ccsm?
23:40<justin__>Is that fine?
23:40<justin__>(doesn't installing ubuntu packages in debian do something to it?)
23:40<mothermcfucker>Hold a sec
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23:40<luis>good night everyone i like to ask for help, i just install squeeze-kde and then i configured my audio, after that i did an updating to the system and there's no more audio, whenever i click on the audio icon on the panel or on system setings i only see: INTERNAL AUDIO ANALOG STEREO, and so far everythin i have try on the post is not fixing it, can some one here help me to fix my audio?? please?
23:41<justin__>I do have ccsm
23:42<justin__>It's in my System -> Prefrences -> Compiz Config Settings Manager
23:42<justin__>But, when I run it
23:42<justin__>Nothing is working
23:42<justin__>I've checked GNOME compatibility
23:43<mothermcfucker>have you asked on any of the mailing lists?
23:44<mothermcfucker>If you are not able to find hep here, subscribe to the mailing lists for help.
23:45<justin__>I've use compiz --replace
23:45<justin__>Still doesn't work
23:45<justin__>How do I enable compositing?
23:46<justin__>Compositing automatically on startup
23:46<mothermcfucker>Try the mailing lists also
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23:49<justin__>So, whre is debxorg?
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23:57<justin__>Ok, so I had ran compiz-check
23:57<justin__>It told me this :
23:57<justin__> Error: Software Rasterizer in use
23:57<justin__>What does that mean...?
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