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00:13<D3M0N>hey folks, another question
00:14<D3M0N>i got as far as make install on my own compile of mono 2.8.2, and i pinged out before it was done
00:14<D3M0N>is there like a clean command for make nstall?
00:14<sney>'make clean' usually
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00:15<D3M0N>not make clean, i need a command for make install
00:15<D3M0N>make clean is used incase make doesnt finish correctly
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00:15<sney>I guess I didn't quite catch your meaning
00:16<sney>some packages have a make uninstall
00:16<D3M0N>well, i did the ./configure, i did the make, and i did make install... but before the make install completed i dc'ed from the internet and the make install didnt finish
00:16<jazzkutya>D3M0N: just run make install again
00:17<D3M0N>ok ;P
00:17<jazzkutya>and itt will overwrite anything it installed before the ping timeout
00:18<D3M0N>ok
00:18<D3M0N>this time i will run it as a screen... just incase, lol
00:19<D3M0N>thanks jakeriver
00:19<D3M0N>jazzkutya **
00:19<D3M0N>damn tab
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00:26<quinkin>this the right place to ask about DRI using the debian nvidia packages?
00:26<sney>yes
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00:29<quinkin>im using the nvidia kernel 2.6.32-5 and just cant seem to get DRI working, I'm using a nVidia Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS] (rev a1)
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00:30<quinkin>no relevant EE entries in the Xorg.0.log but glxinfo shows direct rendering: No
00:31<quinkin>but it also shows: server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation and server glx version string: 1.4
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00:31<i10neorg>My problem was <http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=598150>
00:32<jazzkutya>my guess is you did not configure the driver in xorg.con
00:32<quinkin>its running nvidia driver in xorg.conf and lsmod shows its loaded
00:32<quinkin>ill check the bug
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00:34<DennisTheTiger>quinkin: Looks like he's on a separate convo.
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00:35<quinkin>DennisTheTiger: heh yeah thanks - confused me for a bit
00:36<quinkin>jazzkutya: (II) LoadModule: "nvidia" in the Xorg log
00:36<DennisTheTiger>I attempted to fire nautilus from the command line to get a graphical view of a directory, but it tells me no protocol verified and fails there. Running a new install of Squeeze; it should be noted that my x config for this user account is pored from the lenny install, for whatever it's worth. What's going on?
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00:42<quinkin>DennisTheTiger: do you have any nautilus extensions installed and were you just opening a local dir?
00:42<DennisTheTiger>quinkin: yes to local dir, hang on for extensions.
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00:44<DennisTheTiger>quinkin: I have -sendto, -sendto-empathy, and -share for the plugins. That's it.
00:45<DennisTheTiger>quinkin: To note, I also have -dbg, but that's another story.
00:46<DennisTheTiger>OK, this is interesting. I seem to be unable to load ANY X programs from the terminal, I don't think this is a nautilus problem.
00:47<quinkin>Dennis: and you just ran it as "nautilus /tmp" or similar? I think I had this before, just trying to see if i had any notes on how I fixed it... -dbg should just be the symbols so I don't see that should be a problem
00:47<quinkin>Denniss: ah so you are running as same user and SCREEN env var is correct?
00:48<DennisTheTiger>quinkin: Should be. How do I verify?
00:48<jazzkutya>echo $DISPLAY
00:48<jazzkutya>but the error message for this would be clear to understand
00:49<DennisTheTiger>Better error comes from running sylpheed: (sylpheed:8595): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
00:49<jazzkutya>what is your exact error text?
00:49<jazzkutya>i see
00:49<DennisTheTiger>jazzkutya: nautilus just says it fails.
00:49<jazzkutya>it seems pretty general
00:49<jazzkutya>xv or xterm or any other simpler x app?
00:49<DennisTheTiger>jazzkutya: running aterm, hang on.
00:50<DennisTheTiger>Same error in xterm. To note, from nautilus: "Could not parse arguments: Cannot open display:"
00:51<jazzkutya>i'd try a restart (restart of x) ms style :) sorry no better idea
00:51<quinkin>Dennis/jazz: certainly sounds like user in terminal not the same as the one running X
00:52<DennisTheTiger>jazzkutya: Trying to avoid it, but you might be right. =D
00:52<jazzkutya>maybe you ran out of filehandles or something like that
00:52<jazzkutya>i barely remember strange things related to this
00:52<jazzkutya>no specifics unfortunately
00:53<DennisTheTiger>jazzkutya: If it's filehandles, I've got bigger problems on my desk. =O.o=
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00:54<jazzkutya>if I remember correctly at one time it happened to me that the x server received around 1024 connections and it could not accept more and I could not create/open any new window/app
00:55<jazzkutya>was on slack :)
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00:55<DennisTheTiger>jazzkutya: That's the funny thing, though, is that I can open them from the GUI.
00:56<quinkin>jazzkutya: lsof on the X pid should show if that is the issue shouldnt it?
00:56<jazzkutya>i guess so
00:59<DennisTheTiger>Seems to be nothing special with that.
01:01<quinkin>DennisTheTiger: what does the users command show when you run it in your terminal?
01:01<DennisTheTiger>quinkin: ...oh, that's interesting. I seem to be logged in twice.
01:02<quinkin>Dennis: no thats fine
01:02<DennisTheTiger>quinkin: eh?
01:02<jazzkutya>every terminal window is a login
01:03<DennisTheTiger>Ah, indeed.
01:03<quinkin>I see three listings of my user - one for my terminal and - yeah what jazz said
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01:12<quinkin>Dennis: I dunno, maybe its an xauth issue - try running it with no args, then type list then quit and let me know what authority file it was using and the start of any lines reported (you dont need to send me the magic cookie codes)
01:13<DennisTheTiger>quinkin: It just created ~/.Xauthority and started using it. Nothing in the file from 'list'.
01:14<DennisTheTiger>...wait, that's wrong
01:14<quinkin>Dennis: certainly sounds wrong....
01:15<DennisTheTiger>quinkin: Yeah
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01:18<quinkin>Dennis: maybe its a gdm issue - does "grep -Ri xauth *" in /etc/gdm/ show anything?
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01:19<DennisTheTiger>hang on
01:19<quinkin>Dennis: Sorry you are using gdm right?
01:20<DennisTheTiger>quinkin: Yes, gdm3 particularly
01:21<quinkin>Dennis: and the grep showed something containing XAUTHORITY=$GDM_PARENT_XAUTHORITY ?
01:21<DennisTheTiger>hang on, doing a manual install of some packages for libreoffice
01:21<quinkin>nps
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01:22<DennisTheTiger>quinkin: Yes to both.
01:22<vagvaf>hello people, i recently installed debian testing and it won't "see" my bluetooth, i have installed everything suggested from the wiki
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01:23<DennisTheTiger>quinkin: To note, $XAUTHORITY points to my ~/.Xauthority
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01:23<DennisTheTiger>quinkin: ...aaaand the file ~/.Xauthority does not even exist. Interesting.
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01:24<quinkin>vagvaf: are you using the gnome-bluetooth package?
01:25<vagvaf>quinkin, yes
01:25<quinkin>Dennis: that should def exist... and contain the magic cookie info
01:25<DennisTheTiger>quinkin: What's a good fix to that?
01:26<cahoot>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=586685
01:27<quinkin>vagvaf: is anything shown in System -> Preferences -> Bluetooth
01:28<vagvaf>quinkin, yes. when i click on it i get this meesage : your computer does not have any bluetooth adaptors plugged in
01:28<DennisTheTiger>cahoot: Am I correct in understanding that the shell script in the response will also recreate the .Xauthority file?
01:28<DennisTheTiger>vagvaf: Inbuilt, or USB?
01:29<quinkin>vagvaf: are you using a usb adaptor?
01:29<vagvaf>no, it's inbuilt
01:32<quinkin>vagvaf: "hcitool dev" show anything?
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01:32<vagvaf>quinkin, no ... "Devices : "
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01:33<DennisTheTiger>vagvaf: This a laptop?
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01:33<vagvaf>DennisTheTiger, yes
01:33<DennisTheTiger>vagvaf: what make/model?
01:34<vagvaf>toshiba qosmio f60-10k
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01:34<DennisTheTiger>Doublechecking specs
01:35<DennisTheTiger>...yeah, laptop has bluetooth built in. Not surprised, Toshiba's usually pretty good about that, but in my work, the Toshiba BT stuff tends to be wonky.
01:36<DennisTheTiger>Granted, most of "my work" involved turning T-mobile US phones into modems - and over bluetooth on toshiba, those just didn't work sometimes.
01:36<quinkin>vagvaf: is it listed under lspci? cant find any specs on it
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01:36<vagvaf>quinkin, no it's not. i already tried that
01:37<DennisTheTiger>vagvaf: How old is this laptop?
01:37<quinkin>vagvaf: yeah thought that was a bit hopeful
01:37<DennisTheTiger>what of lsusb, does that turn anything up? Tried already?
01:37<vagvaf>DennisTheTiger, younger than 1 year
01:38<DennisTheTiger>vagvaf: I'm stuck. =(
01:38<quinkin>Dennis: well let me know if you have anyway to make telstra elite modems work (other than burning sacrifices at the new moon)
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01:39<vagvaf>nvm. DennisTheTiger & quinkin thanks for your help anyways
01:39<DennisTheTiger>vagvaf: Good luck. Sorry.
01:39<DennisTheTiger>quinkin: Is the device visible to the computer?
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01:43<quinkin>dennis: its a standalone modem - just whinging as i am on the 5th unit in the last 2 months. they are just extraordinarily poor quality...
01:43<DennisTheTiger>...oh.
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01:43<DennisTheTiger>Still, if it's visible, you should be able to use wvdial. If it's invisible, you might want to give the people at Telstra a hard time. =)
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01:44<DennisTheTiger>Wait - also check to see if you can talk AT commands at it in minicom.
01:45<quinkin>this is the first time i have been able to get online since the start of january - i have been and yelled at everyone at telstra they will connect me to (I'm an embedded designer and programmer but I'm damned if I can find anyone in their organisation who is equally qualified)
01:46<DennisTheTiger>quinkin: Good luck finding that - it's rare you have geniuses in tech support. This said, the outfit I contracted with here in the states for T-mo US were the smartest underpaid tech jockeys you'd ever find in Seattle. =D
01:47<DennisTheTiger>Besides, usually, if you have the tech with the technical equivalence of a certain Dr. House, we tend to sometimes forget that having the same bedside manner as that same Dr. House is a career limiting move. =D Fortunately, that was not my downfall - they moved the shop out of the area.
01:48<quinkin>Dennis: yeah the funniest was when I helped out a clients wife get online with telstra - at the end of the 5 hours of pain she said she was going to call her nephew - apparently he is the CTO of telstra.... hope she gave him hell :)
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01:48<DennisTheTiger>quinkin: Please tell me that Telstra doesn't farm out their tech to a shop who speaks English as a second language!
01:49<quinkin>anyway - open call to anyone with any idea why DRI isnt working - xorg.conf using nvidia, 8400GS, 2.6.32-5....
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01:49<quinkin>Dennis: depends which area, lots are philipino by my ear
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01:50<DennisTheTiger>quinkin: ARGH!
01:50<DennisTheTiger>Guess you guys down under aren't immune to the farm-outs.
01:50<quinkin>Dennis: hehe yeah, I've had so much fun going through their checklists over the last few months *stabs self in ear*
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01:51<quinkin>Dennis: call to accounts and its locals all the way
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01:52<DennisTheTiger>quinkin: Well, you sometimes get good ones. And it's not that they're stupid, they just now have to deal with English - and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF ITS DIALECTS.
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01:53<quinkin>Dennis: Well to be honest they have been much nicer and often more intelligible than the aus middle management i have threatened and cajoled my way into talking to
01:53<DennisTheTiger>ROTFL
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01:54<DennisTheTiger>Well, it's late here in Seattle - about an hour to midnight. Time for that last smoke before bed. Have a good one.
01:54<DennisTheTiger>Oh, and thanks for the help both you and jazzkutya
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01:55<quinkin>Dennis: you too - sounds like you have a solution and gdm2 is always an option if that has issues - sleep well
01:55<quinkin>doh
01:56<quinkin>i may be getting to the point of annoying but... - open call to anyone with any idea why DRI isnt working - xorg.conf using nvidia, 8400GS, 2.6.32-5....
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01:56<jm_>quinkin: which driver for nvidia card?
01:57<bones_was_here>quinkin: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log please
01:57<quinkin>bones: 195.36.31-6
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01:58<quinkin>Release Date: 2010-05-04
01:58<quinkin>X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
01:58<quinkin>Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.32-5-686 i686 Debian
01:58<quinkin>Current Operating System: Linux turbo 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Fri Dec 10 16:12:40 UTC 2010 i686
01:58-!-quinkin was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
01:58<bones_was_here>oh lol
01:58<simonrvn> um
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01:59<simonrvn>doh
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01:59<quinkin>(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Feb 14 09:53:55 2011
01:59<quinkin>(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
01:59<quinkin>(==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
01:59<quinkin>(==) ServerLayout "Layout0"
01:59<bones_was_here>hahahaha
01:59<quinkin>(**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0)
01:59<quinkin>(**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor0"
01:59<bones_was_here>quinkin: pastebin
01:59<simonrvn>quinkin: NOT HERE :)
01:59<quinkin>(**) | |-->Device "Device0"
01:59<quinkin>(**) |-->Screen "Screen0 (2nd)" (1)
01:59<quinkin>(**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor0 (2nd)"
01:59<quinkin>(**) | |-->Device "Device0 (2nd)"
01:59<quinkin>(**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0"
01:59<quinkin>(**) |-->Input Device "Mouse0"
01:59<quinkin>(==) Automatically adding devices
01:59*simonrvn ducks and runs away from the flood
01:59<quinkin>(==) Automatically enabling devices
01:59<quinkin>(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
01:59<quinkin> Entry deleted from font path.
01:59<quinkin>(==) FontPath set to:
01:59<quinkin> /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc,
01:59<quinkin> /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled,
01:59<quinkin> /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled,
01:59<quinkin> /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1,
01:59<quinkin> /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi,
01:59<quinkin> /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi,
01:59<jm_>nvidia driver doesn't do DRI, only opengl
01:59<quinkin> /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType,
02:00<quinkin> built-ins
02:00<quinkin>(==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
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02:00<quinkin>(WW) AllowEmptyInput is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', 'mouse' or 'vmmouse' will be disabled.
02:00<quinkin>(WW) Disabling Keyboard0
02:00<quinkin>(WW) Disabling Mouse0
02:00<quinkin>(II) Loader magic: 0x81ec060
02:00<quinkin>(II) Module ABI versions:
02:00<quinkin> X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
02:00<quinkin> X.Org Video Driver: 6.0
02:00<quinkin> X.Org XInput driver : 7.0
02:00<quinkin> X.Org Server Extension : 2.0
02:00<quinkin>(++) using VT number 7
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02:00<quinkin>(--) PCI:*(0:1:0:0) 10de:06e4:1043:8321 nVidia Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS] rev 161, Mem @ 0x92000000/16777216, 0x80000000/268435456, 0x90000000/33554432, I/O @ 0x00002000/128
02:00<quinkin>(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
02:00<quinkin>(II) LoadModule: "extmod"
02:00<quinkin>(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libextmod.so
02:00<quinkin>(II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
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02:01<quinkin> compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
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02:01<quinkin>(II) NVIDIA GLX Module 195.36.31 Tue Jun 1 23:22:44 PDT 2010
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02:02<quinkin>(II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
02:02<quinkin> compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
02:02<quinkin> Module class: X.Org Video Driver
02:02<quinkin>(II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver 195.36.31 Tue Jun 1 22:21:58 PDT 2010
02:02<quinkin>(II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs
02:02<quinkin>(II) Primary Device is: PCI 01@00:00:0
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02:02<quinkin> compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0
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02:02<quinkin>(II) Module wfb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
02:02<quinkin> compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0
02:02<quinkin> ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
02:02<quinkin>(II) Loading sub module "ramdac"
02:02<quinkin>(II) LoadModule: "ramdac"
02:02<quinkin>(II) Module "ramdac" already built-in
02:03<simonrvn>is he done yet?
02:03<quinkin>(**) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
02:03<quinkin>(==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888
02:03<quinkin>(==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor
02:03<jm_>I was about to ask you :)
02:03<quinkin>(==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)
02:03<quinkin>(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "RenderAccel" "True"
02:03<simonrvn>hehe
02:03<quinkin>(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "TwinView" "False"
02:03<quinkin>(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "RandRRotation" "True"
02:03<MrFrood>!pastebin
02:03<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
02:03<quinkin>(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "UseEdidDpi" "FALSE"
02:03<quinkin>(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "DPI" "100 x 100"
02:03<quinkin>(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "UseEvents" "True"
02:03<quinkin>(**) Feb 14 09:53:55 NVIDIA(0): Enabling RENDER acceleration
02:03<quinkin>(II) Feb 14 09:53:55 NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and Composite X extensions is
02:03<quinkin>(II) Feb 14 09:53:55 NVIDIA(0): enabled.
02:03<quinkin>(II) Feb 14 09:53:55 NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 8400 GS (G98) at PCI:1:0:0 (GPU-0)
02:03<quinkin>(--) Feb 14 09:53:55 NVIDIA(0): Memory: 524288 kBytes
02:03<quinkin>(--) Feb 14 09:53:55 NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 62.98.29.00.00
02:03<quinkin>(II) Feb 14 09:53:55 NVIDIA(0): Detected PCI Express Link width: 16X
02:03<quinkin>(--) Feb 14 09:53:55 NVIDIA(0): Interlaced video modes are supported on this GPU
02:03<doubledutch>...for a second there I thought I lynx'd to pastebin rather than irssi'd to #debian... then I just stared in awe - is he really pasting one line at a time?
02:03<quinkin>(--) Feb 14 09:53:55 NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on GeForce 8400 GS at PCI:1:0:0:
02:03<quinkin>(--) Feb 14 09:53:55 NVIDIA(0): CMO CMC 17" AD (CRT-1)
02:03<quinkin>(--) Feb 14 09:53:55 NVIDIA(0): SAMSUNG (DFP-0)
02:03<quinkin>(--) Feb 14 09:53:55 NVIDIA(0): CMO CMC 17" AD (CRT-1): 400.0 MHz maximum pixel clock
02:03<quinkin>(--) Feb 14 09:53:55 NVIDIA(0): SAMSUNG (DFP-0): 330.0 MHz maximum pixel clock
02:03<quinkin>(--) Feb 14 09:53:55 NVIDIA(0): SAMSUNG (DFP-0): Internal Dual Link TMDS
02:03<quinkin>(II) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(0): Assigned Display Device: DFP-0
02:03<quinkin>(==) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(0):
02:03<quinkin>(==) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(0): No modes were requested; the default mode "nvidia-auto-select"
02:03<quinkin>(==) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(0): will be used as the requested mode.
02:04<quinkin>(==) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(0):
02:04<quinkin>(II) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(0): Validated modes:
02:04<quinkin>(II) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(0): "nvidia-auto-select"
02:04<quinkin>(II) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1920 x 1080
02:04<nevyn>whee....
02:04<simonrvn>omg still at it
02:04<quinkin>(**) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (100, 100); computed from "DPI" X config option
02:04<quinkin>(==) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(0): Enabling 32-bit ARGB GLX visuals.
02:04<quinkin>(**) NVIDIA(1): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
02:04<quinkin>(==) NVIDIA(1): RGB weight 888
02:04<quinkin>(==) NVIDIA(1): Default visual is TrueColor
02:04<quinkin>(==) NVIDIA(1): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)
02:04<quinkin>(**) NVIDIA(1): Option "RenderAccel" "True"
02:04<quinkin>(**) NVIDIA(1): Option "TwinView" "False"
02:04<quinkin>(**) NVIDIA(1): Option "RandRRotation" "True"
02:04<quinkin>(**) NVIDIA(1): Option "UseEdidDpi" "FALSE"
02:04<quinkin>(**) NVIDIA(1): Option "DPI" "100 x 100"
02:04<simonrvn>/ig -replies -time 3600 quinkin for those on irssi
02:04<quinkin>(**) NVIDIA(1): Option "UseEvents" "True"
02:04<quinkin>(**) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): Enabling RENDER acceleration
02:04<quinkin>(II) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 8400 GS (G98) at PCI:1:0:0 (GPU-0)
02:04<quinkin>(--) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): Memory: 524288 kBytes
02:04<quinkin>(--) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): VideoBIOS: 62.98.29.00.00
02:04<quinkin>(II) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): Detected PCI Express Link width: 16X
02:04<quinkin>(--) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): Interlaced video modes are supported on this GPU
02:04<quinkin>(--) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): Connected display device(s) on GeForce 8400 GS at PCI:1:0:0:
02:04<quinkin>(--) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): CMO CMC 17" AD (CRT-1)
02:04<quinkin>(--) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): SAMSUNG (DFP-0)
02:04<quinkin>(--) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): CMO CMC 17" AD (CRT-1): 400.0 MHz maximum pixel clock
02:04<quinkin>(--) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): SAMSUNG (DFP-0): 330.0 MHz maximum pixel clock
02:04<quinkin>(--) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): SAMSUNG (DFP-0): Internal Dual Link TMDS
02:05<quinkin>(II) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): Assigned Display Device: CRT-1
02:05<quinkin>(==) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1):
02:05<quinkin>(==) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): No modes were requested; the default mode "nvidia-auto-select"
02:05<quinkin>(==) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): will be used as the requested mode.
02:05<quinkin>(==) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1):
02:05<quinkin>(II) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): Validated modes:
02:05<quinkin>(II) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): "nvidia-auto-select"
02:05<quinkin>(II) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): Virtual screen size determined to be 1280 x 1024
02:05<quinkin>(**) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): DPI set to (100, 100); computed from "DPI" X config option
02:05<quinkin>(==) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): Enabling 32-bit ARGB GLX visuals.
02:05<quinkin>(--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp
02:05<quinkin>(II) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA: Using 768.00 MB of virtual memory for indirect memory access.
02:05<quinkin>(II) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(0): Initialized GPU GART.
02:05<quinkin>(II) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "nvidia-auto-select"
02:05<quinkin>(II) Loading extension NV-GLX
02:05<quinkin>(II) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(0): Initialized OpenGL Acceleration
02:05<quinkin>(==) NVIDIA(0): Disabling shared memory pixmaps
02:05<quinkin>(II) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(0): Initialized X Rendering Acceleration
02:05<quinkin>(==) NVIDIA(0): Backing store disabled
02:05<quinkin>(==) NVIDIA(0): Silken mouse enabled
02:05<quinkin>(**) NVIDIA(0): DPMS enabled
02:05<nevyn>oh nice.. thanks for that simonrvn
02:05<quinkin>(II) Loading extension NV-CONTROL
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02:05<simonrvn>well, this is certainly a first for me
02:05<quinkin>(==) RandR enabled
02:05<quinkin>(II) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): Initialized GPU GART.
02:05<quinkin>(II) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): Setting mode "nvidia-auto-select"
02:05<quinkin>(II) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): Initialized OpenGL Acceleration
02:05<quinkin>(==) NVIDIA(1): Disabling shared memory pixmaps
02:06<quinkin>(II) Feb 14 09:53:56 NVIDIA(1): Initialized X Rendering Acceleration
02:06<simonrvn>usually by now they've been kicked ;)
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02:06<quinkin>(==) NVIDIA(1): Backing store disabled
02:06<quinkin>(==) NVIDIA(1): Silken mouse enabled
02:06<quinkin>(**) NVIDIA(1): DPMS enabled
02:06<quinkin>(==) RandR enabled
02:06<quinkin>(II) Initializing built-in extension Generic Event Extension
02:06<quinkin>(II) Initializing built-in extension SHAPE
02:06<quinkin>(II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM
02:06<quinkin>(II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension
02:06<quinkin>(II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST
02:06<quinkin>(II) Initializing built-in extension BIG-REQUESTS
02:06<quinkin>(II) Initializing built-in extension SYNC
02:06<quinkin>(II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD
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02:06<nevyn>does he actually have a problem or is just being painful?
02:06<simonrvn>he killed it
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02:07<simonrvn>"remote host closed conn."
02:07<simonrvn>quinkin: ah, wb
02:07*MrFrood WOW!
02:07<quinkin>did that stop it? xchat-gnome has a conservative view on buffering.....
02:07<simonrvn>it's safe now
02:07<simonrvn>quinkin: yup
02:07<MrFrood>!pastebin
02:07<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
02:07*quinkin hangs his head in shame
02:07<quinkin>http://pastebin.com/FanjGc7c heh
02:07<doubledutch>!enter
02:07<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
02:08<doubledutch>!qotd0
02:08<dpkg><drp> is there a command to allow me to see lan printers <greycat> drp: yes. "Joe! Show me that printer!" <greycat> substitute "Joe" with the name of your LAN adminsitrator <drp> lol
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02:08<quinkin>sorry all - took about half a second at my end and never ending pain for everyone else.....
02:11<simonrvn>quinkin: was an unique experience ;). thanks :)
02:12<quinkin>simonervn: well just trying to spice things up around here, a few floods, some apologies and for my next trick.... no no no
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02:12<bones_was_here>quinkin: what was the problem you were having with X again? :)
02:13<quinkin>well now I have your attention I should be getting more than 500 fps in glxgears fullscreen using an 8400GS and the nvidia driver - that sounds like software rendering to me
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02:16<jm_>!glxgears
02:16<dpkg>rumour has it, glxgears is an OpenGL demo, or <bogomips> for graphics cards. It is not a benchmark. In fact, in recent versions you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark option in order to report FPS information. Provided by the mesa-utils package.
02:16<bones_was_here>quinkin: it should probably be a few thousand fps; of course glxgears is not a benchmark
02:16<bones_was_here> ^
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02:17<bones_was_here>quinkin: it looks like acceleration is working from the log, the usual quick check for that is glxinfo | grep direct
02:17<quinkin>heh yeah - but the simplest gl apps seem to be unusably slow, they used to be more than usable with the old 6600GT I had before all of its capacitors spontaneously exploded
02:18<quinkin>bones: direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) - but im told nvidia doesnt do dri now
02:18<gsimmons>quinkin: You have installed the associated kernel module, right?
02:18<jm_>I get about 600 fps with nvidia gt 230 in 1920x1200
02:18<quinkin>lsmod show nvidia (usiing nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5 deb package)
02:19<jm_>quinkin: glxinfo should say Yes there
02:19<bones_was_here>quinkin: you should have direct rendering - thats the problem (as you suspect its using software rendering)
02:19<bones_was_here>quinkin: lsmod | grep nvidia
02:19<jm_>but it should say the driver is NVIDIA for glx vendor
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02:20<quinkin>jm: server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation and server glx version string: 1.4
02:20<bones_was_here>it's odd because in the log it looks like it's initialised the rendering correctly
02:20<jm_>quinkin: but it says direct rendering: No?
02:21<quinkin>jm: thats right - cant figure it out myself...
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02:21<bones_was_here>i have a vague memory of there being problems with low end geforce 8 gpu's reported on nvnews.net... might be worth trying a newer driver (195 is *very* old)
02:22<quinkin>bones: so forget the deb packages an use the nvidia installer? thats about my only idea at the moment
02:22<bones_was_here>quinkin: is that gpu onboard or a card? (laptop?)
02:22<quinkin>its pci express on a core2 board - desktop
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02:24<bones_was_here>well... i'd guess either you're missing one of the packages from apt (the driver is split into several there) or there's a problem with your gpu and the 195 driver version
02:25<bones_was_here>but since the log says its initialised DRI and GLX i'm not sure what would be missing :/ (long time since i've installed an nvidia driver from apt)
02:25<jm_>quinkin: the only difference to my log seems to be you using two screens
02:26<jm_>quinkin: I'd rather backport 2xx driver from experimental than use nvidia one's; keep in mind you'll need a newer m-a if you're using that with lenny
02:26<MrFrood>quinkin: try sgfxi
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02:27<quinkin>bones: I have libgl1-nvidia-alternatives libgl1-nvidia-glx libglx-nvidia-alternatives nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686 nvidia-kernel-common and a few others for smi, vdpau and xconfig
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02:28<bones_was_here>quinkin: yeah looks complete... try a newer driver i guess
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02:29<quinkin>MrFrood: I cant find sgfxi or a package containing it
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02:29<bones_was_here>i g2g catch a bus.... bai
02:30<quinkin>thanks bones
02:31<MrFrood>it's an unoffical script for installing graphic driver - smxi.org
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02:34<jm_>well I guess you should verify that the libraries glxinfo loads are the ones from nvidia
02:35<quinkin>jm_: I get Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/experimental/Release Unable to find expected entry man/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) trying to pull experimental - am I using the wrong URI?
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02:36<jm_>quinkin: I recommend to download it via http://packages.debian.org/ - and also check the above about libs
02:36<quinkin>jm_: strace shows open("/usr/lib/libGL.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 3 - how can I tell which ver this is, strings?
02:36<jm_>quinkin: ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1
02:37<quinkin>jm_: /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 -> libGLcore.so.195.36.31 (sounds good) but /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.2.moved (which sounds worrying)
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02:37<jm_>quinkin: right; how did you install nvidia stuff, using the debian way?
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02:39<quinkin>jm_: yes, but I may have tried the nvidia driver in years gone past... I can see libGL.so -> /etc/alternatives/libGL.so should I point that at the alternatives too?
02:40<quinkin>jm_: ie /etc/alternatives/libGL.so.1
02:40<jm_>right, looks like what I said about nvidia & DRI is wrong; didn't know opengl rendering is also called DRI
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02:42<jm_>quinkin: are you using squeeze?
02:43<quinkin>unstable mostly - used to be testing but moved to default unstable (so some cruft may remain)
02:44<jm_>right, that explains alternatives; it's not done that way in lenny
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02:45<jm_>so try using update-alternatives to fix the links
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02:51<quinkin>jm_: update-alternatives --config libGL.so.1 got me direct rendering: Yes in glxinfo
02:52<quinkin>jm_: you are my hero
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02:55<jm_>quinkin: nice, so you don't need newer version for now
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02:56<quinkin>jm_: hopefully - still getting some errors but feel I am on the right track now
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03:01<ncg891>giorno a tutti
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04:07<supness08>can someone please tell me the correct way to compile/build wine source for debian squeeze? it keeps freezing on me mid compile.
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04:24<marc>hi, I have a problem with installation of debian 6, it freeze when in "detecting network", any help?
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04:26<yry>marc try to install without dhcp connection ; try manual configuration
04:27<jm_>you can check what is going on on tty2
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04:28<marc>tty?
04:28<marc>what is that?
04:28<manitou>marc, if you have network cabel plugged-in then try to unplug in for installation time, if it not solve problem, try to disable NIC in BIOS or install time
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04:29<jm_>you can switch using alt-f1 (tty1) alt-f2 (tty2) ...
04:29<star>Hello
04:29<jm_>tty4 should have some info frm the installer, and tty3 does have somethign too IIRC
04:29<marc>I tried without the cable but don't work, will try pressing alt-F1, etc
04:30<marc>One more thing, is it ok to install debian 6 on pentium M with 256Mb RAM?
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04:31<yry>with kde desktop ?
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04:32<star>hi
04:32<marc>I guess LXDE or XFCE
04:32<yry>marc I would not recommended you
04:33<yry>for this configuration
04:33<marc>what is your recommendation?
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04:35<yry>gnome or kde older versions
04:35<star>yes
04:35<star>KDE3.5 is fantastic
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04:37<marc>kde3.5 is available on debian 6?
04:38<marc>well, I think I will try XFCE but let me pass the "network detection" screen first...
04:39<marc>thank you for the help!
04:39<jm_>I remember a post on Planet Debian about squeeze and KDE 3.5, but not from whom it was
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04:43<Spacewar>start
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05:20<MeglaW>stupid question perhaps but is there a way to get root back (forgot pass, and last update broke sudo) other then rebooting?
05:20<ompaul>I have 65k swx documents and about 6k spreadsheets from back then when that was popular, I want to convert them to odt, prefer to do it in a batch job, with a name change to prevent clashes with possible odt docs, and preserve the original file data, e.g. if it was last altered in 2 Mar 2006 at 10:10 I want to preserve that data ... (not looking for much now am I ;-)) a pointer other than the ooo irc channel would be good, I have been searching but my foo seems
05:20<petemc>only if there is a known exploit for the software you run
05:21<SynrG>heh. that's exactly what i was going to say :)
05:21<ompaul>SynrG: you have the same problem as me, or you agree with petemc ? ;-)
05:21<SynrG>agree with petemc
05:22<SynrG>i can think of no other way
05:22<ompaul>SynrG: I can, it is called - go reboot the box your uptime is not that precious
05:22<ompaul>if you fail to I'll call you a cracker :)
05:22<MeglaW>petemc: hehe dam.
05:23<MeglaW>uptime is too precious
05:23<ompaul>MeglaW: well hard luck
05:23<MeglaW>its another messure of your e-penis
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05:23<SynrG>uptime clearly wasn't precious enough for you to have planned ahead and prepared for this problem :p
05:24<MeglaW>hehehe
05:25<ompaul>petemc: got a short answer for me too? ;-)
05:25<crc>if the password is easy enough you can try john the ripper to crack that way the downtime will be 0
05:25<MeglaW>i can just boot on a install disc and set a new root
05:26<ompaul>MeglaW: live disk would be better
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05:26<MeglaW>last time i did it it was on floppy
05:26<MeglaW>i still have those floppys someware. :)
05:26<petemc>ompaul: not really :) there are people like caolan mcnamara on ilug who undoubtedly would tho
05:27<ompaul>petemc: I forgot about that resource - I'll wait til I get home
05:27<ompaul>w]
05:27<petemc>i asked a similar question maybe 8 years ago on the list, he answered iirc
05:27<crc>aptitude install john (oops you need to be root for that :-) )
05:28<SynrG>i'm sure you could build john from source
05:28<ompaul>petemc: I might make it a less complex ask I can do the fluffy stuff around the edge myself (date preservation and name changing)
05:28<MeglaW>crc: ;)
05:29<MeglaW>only have 98 days to protect so...
05:29<crc>yes but then you wouldn't have permission to read /etc/shadow which is where passwords are stored
05:30<ompaul>MeglaW: live cd reboot NO NETWORK - set password for root to blank reboot, set new password, reboot with network have fun
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05:30<MeglaW>well, reason im mentioning floppys is i cd is broke in that laptop
05:30<MeglaW>so im gonna have to do it via floppy, usb or network. :)
05:31<ompaul>and that people is a great way to learn why you should not use an encrypted file system unless you really have to
05:31<MeglaW>;)
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05:33<SynrG>hm?
05:34<SynrG>get to a boot prompt, add init=/bin/sh boot param
05:34<SynrG>boots directly to shell
05:34<SynrG>mount -o rw,remount /
05:34<SynrG>passwd
05:34<SynrG>sync
05:34<SynrG>and reboot
05:34<ompaul>careful
05:34<jm_>!i forgot root's password
05:34<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
05:34<SynrG>ah, of course dpkg knows :)
05:35*ompaul thinks I need coffee I didn't remember that
05:35<SynrG>oh, exec init. that's a variation i didn't consider :)
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06:23<powerson>Hi~!
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06:24<powerson>Hi~!
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06:48<deb60test>hello out there i need a little help with the tty debian 6 login keymap
06:49<deb60test>i cant enter german deadkeys like ~
06:49<streuner__>!keymap
06:49<dpkg>Lenny users: To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" (use loadkeys for once-only/temporary adjustments). To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" and ask me about <xorg config lenny>; gnome-control-center and kcontrol can also be used. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. Squeeze users: run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" for both console and X.
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06:51<deb60test>!keymap
06:51<dpkg>Lenny users: To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" (use loadkeys for once-only/temporary adjustments). To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" and ask me about <xorg config lenny>; gnome-control-center and kcontrol can also be used. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. Squeeze users: run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" for both console and X.
06:51<rudi_s>!tell deb60test about selftell
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06:52<deb60test>i did dpkg-reconfigure console-data but the login screen dont take deadkeys
06:52<deb60test>under x and xterm its fine
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06:53<deb60test>normal tty login dosent work
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06:54<deb60test>passwords without german keyboard deadkeys also work fine
06:55<powerson>!keymap
06:55<dpkg>Lenny users: To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" (use loadkeys for once-only/temporary adjustments). To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" and ask me about <xorg config lenny>; gnome-control-center and kcontrol can also be used. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. Squeeze users: run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" for both console and X.
06:55<powerson>wow.. It's good.
06:55<powerson>!kernel
06:55<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20110214, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.38-rc4-git7, mainline 2.6: 2.6.38-rc4, stable 2.6: 2.6.37 , stable 2.6.36: 2.6.36.3 , longterm 2.6.35: 2.6.35.11 , stable 2.6.35: 2.6.35.9 , longterm 2.6.34: 2.6.34.8 , stable 2.6.34: 2.6.34.7 , longterm 2.6.32: 2.6.32.28 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.28 , longterm 2.6.27: 2.6.27.58 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.57 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.11
06:55<willemb>Hi. According to most documentation on the web, mod_logio should be compiled into apache2. however, apache2 -l returns nothing of the sort. How do i get it enable for apache2 under debian lenny?
06:56<powerson>Hi.. mm.. I don't know that.. sorry.. ^^
06:57<rudi_s>!tell powerson about selftell
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06:59<powerson>rudi_s// OK.. sorry..
06:59<toni>Hi!
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06:59<rudi_s>powerson: np
06:59<rudi_s>Hi.
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06:59<powerson>I didn't know that..
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07:05<Promythyus>I want to purge openoffice.org-core, but apt insists on installing abiword, gnumeric and a bunch of other crap
07:05<Promythyus>how can I make it not?
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07:05<SynrG>aptitude why openoffice.org-core and figure out what requires it
07:05<SynrG>probably that same package depends on openoffice as an alternative to these other things
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07:06<SynrG>it may very well be a metapackage that you can happily do without
07:06<Promythyus>thanks, checking it now
07:07<Promythyus>excellent, gnome-office requires either openoffice or the alternatives
07:07<Promythyus>Thanks :)
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07:11<toni>I'm still trying to get my keyboard configured correctly, and would like to know what X thinks I have.
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07:11<toni>I therefore tried to do this: xkbprint -full -kc -level2 /dev/xconsole and this: xkbprint -full -kc -level2 -
07:12<toni>but these commands only hang and produce no output. What should I use as the source parameter?
07:13<jm_>you want to print keymap in X?
07:14<toni>jm_: Yes, I want to print my current keymap
07:14<jm_>toni: xmodmap -pk
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07:14<toni>jm_ : I already have this. I want to have an idea about which keys X finds where. Eg. none of my keys is labelled "Hyper_L", but xmodmap uses such names.
07:15<toni>I also would like to transition to xkbcomp & friends, if possible, and do away with xmodmap.
07:16<jm_>toni: the keycode tells you which key that really is, use xkeycaps
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07:16<toni>jm_: thanks, I'll give it a try
07:17<SynrG>xev is also useful
07:18<toni>I'm using xev "all day long", but umm... I am probably not clever enough to decipher the output, esp. for the modifier keys.
07:18<jm_>just find out where Hyper_L is listed
07:18<toni>Like PropertyNotify event, serial 40, synthetic NO, window 0x3600001,
07:18<toni> atom 0x289 (_WIN_AREA), time 147934064, state PropertyNewValue
07:18<jm_>xmodmap tells you that
07:18<gsimmons>willemb: apache2 in Lenny and Squeeze are built with --enable-logio=static by default. The output of "/usr/sbin/apache2 -l" at a paste site would be useful.
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07:19<SynrG>toni: you should only care about KeyPress/KeyRelease events
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07:20<toni>OkropNick, and then I still have to figure out how to map these to the modifiers. Eg. xmodmap talks about the "Modifier" keys, but there are mod1..mod5. Huh?
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07:20<toni>anyway, i'm now playing with xkeycaps as well... :|
07:21<SynrG>sure. nicer user experience.
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07:22<toni>which... btw displays russian letters on some keys when I select "German"
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07:25<SynrG>xkeycaps gives me some rather odd results :p
07:25<SynrG>(it has been years since i've used it for this job. i normally use xev)
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07:28<toni>SyncrG: it also gives me nigh unusable results. I can press a number of keys which are not even being displayed, and eg. AltGr turns out to be mapped to the right Enter key on the numeric keypad. Weird!
07:28<toni>back to xev, then...
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07:29<toni>But why can't I just keep my keyboard configuration that I had in Lenny?
07:29<toni>I mean, what broke it?
07:29<toni>s/what/why/
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07:42<toni>http://pastebin.com/NiBMtwrm
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07:43<toni>I get a weird error message with xmodmap that I can't understand.
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07:49<cast93>o/
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07:54<cast93>I have a problem with the wifi on debian I use wicd network manager to connect to my wifi it finds the wifi access point but when I want to connect to it it says "connection failure can not obtain an address ip "
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07:57<willemb>gsimmons: thanks. even though there is no logio in that output, i see %O works anyway. It must be more integrated with base these days than it used to be
07:58<willemb>thanks
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08:02<ashu>hey
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08:03<ashu>hi everybody
08:03<ashu>need help
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08:31<CdeMills>Hello
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08:32<CdeMills>I would like to install the new version of LibreOffice 3.3 under my $HOME dir, and without root access
08:33<CdeMills>I tried: dpkg --instdir=$HOME/usr install libobasis3.3-fr-writer_3.3.0-19_i386.deb
08:33<CdeMills>but this fails with the message that this operation requires superuser privilege
08:34<CdeMills>How can I install packages in a zone where I have access rights, without being superuser ?
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08:35<Guest1331>hey
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08:36<Guest1331>I want to install packages, but I want to do some customizations. As I understood I should be able to give parameters to packages, but I can't find the option. do you know anything about this?
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08:37<SynrG>can you be more precise?
08:37<lelamal>CdeMills: I'm no expert, but as far as I know you need administrative privileges to install software
08:37<CdeMills>Hello lelamal
08:38<CdeMills>The other option is to unpack manually and drop everything at the right place
08:38<CdeMills>but then I'll have to manage upgrade/deletions by hand too.
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08:39<lelamal>hi CdeMills, but I see you used dpkg, and that would require privileges, would it not?
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08:40<SynrG>Guest1331: at least it would be nice to know what packages and what parameters you had in mind
08:40<kef>CdeMills: You could always extract the package manually to a specific location of choice...
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08:41<CdeMills>lelamal: I did an 'strace' of the operation, and it fails in an 'mmap' op ???
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08:41<CdeMills>kef: I know, but then I loose the ability to track with I modified
08:41<jm_>probably tries to mmap a file, no surprise though, lots of stuff in /var/lib/dpkg
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08:44<CdeMills>I tried: dpkg --admindir=$HOME/var/lib/dpkg --root=$HOME -i *.deb: same result
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08:46<Guest1331>SynrG: well I want to install packages \ programs in their own users, so I can really limit them to the minimum privilages required.
08:46<Guest1331>security-wise
08:46<Guest1331>I saw packages doing that, but some of the folders were owned by root
08:49<acu>Guest1331, did you look into SE Linux ?
08:49<acu>!selinux
08:49<dpkg>Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ #selinux on irc.freenode.net. See also <apparmor>, <tomoyo>.
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08:53<Sleden>eee
08:53<Sleden>ee
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08:53<left4deadmw>bre
08:53<Sleden>ee
08:53<Sleden>sea e ok
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08:56<themill> /geo Sleden
08:56*Guest1331 is reading..
08:56<themill>ESPACE
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09:09<Guest1331>acu: how difficult to use is SE linux?
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09:10<Guest1331>acu: and if I install a package as root, somehow set all it's folders to be owned by package-user-accound and limit that to that accound only, wouldn't that be as strong?
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09:20<CdeMills>Found
09:20<CdeMills>As usual, well hidden :-(
09:20<CdeMills>dpgk --force-non-root
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09:21<Guest1331>dpgk
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09:21<Guest1331>woops wrong window
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09:26<rigved>hi everyone...i want to install debian on a pc using netboot. here, after the bootloader on the pc has loaded, i want it to load the installation image from a dhcp server, which will be on my laptop. can anyone tell me how to do this? or can anyone tell me if such a thing is documented somewhere on the debian manual?
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09:28<SynrG>rigved: i don't understand "load the installation image from a dhcp server". afaik, dhcp is not capable of such things. but the installer manual has details about netbooting an installer image.
09:30<rigved>SynrG: sorry, i meant the dhcp server will tell it where the image is stored. then the pc can download the image via tftp
09:31<SynrG>yes. see the installer manual.
09:32<SynrG>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual if you don't have it handy
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09:33<rigved>SynrG: from what i understood of the netboot image, it tell of how to load the bootloader image using tftp. then, the remaining stuff is downloaded of the internet
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09:33<rigved>SynrG: ok. i'll check it out
09:34<SynrG>since it took me several clicks to get there, here's the precise section to save you the bother: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en
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09:35<SynrG>(probably one of the things dpkg bot knows about too :)
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09:37<rigved>SynrG: thanks a lot!!!
09:37<rigved>:)
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09:43<linuxxx>hello i have broadcom 4313 and folled this guide http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 after doing point 4 of the guide i do ifconfig wlan0 up but then if i do iwlist wlan0 scanning my pc freezes and can' acces at any tty
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09:49<SynrG>linuxxx: try again, this time splitting step 3 into two:
09:49<SynrG>modprobe -r brcm80211
09:49<SynrG>verify it is actually removed
09:49<SynrG>modprobe brcm80211 and check syslog for error messages.
09:50<SynrG>also, is your kernel up-to-date?
09:50<linuxxx>SynrG, ok i've done what you said
09:50<linuxxx>linuxxx, i have debian 6.0 default kernel
09:50<SynrG>any errors in syslog after removal?
09:50<SynrG>does lsmod show it is gone?
09:50<linuxxx>SynrG, how to check syslog?
09:51<rigved>also, can anyone tell me how to find out which packages are available in each debian squeeze dvd here - http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-dvd/
09:51<SynrG>linuxxx: look at /var/log/syslog (as root)
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09:51<gsimmons>dpkg: tell rigved -about disc contents
09:51<themill>dpkg: tell rigved about cross-post
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09:53<rigved>themill: sorry about that. i thought i would be able ask my question to more people. i won't do it again :)
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09:55<gsimmons>linuxxx: You might be hitting Debian bug #602444.
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09:57<linuxxx>SynrG, i dont see any errors at syslog
09:57<linuxxx>gsimmons, i will take a look
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10:07<Guest1331>during installtion I told Debian to apt-get from CD. looking at the soures.list file I see sources commented "because it failed to verify". is there a tool that handles that or should I just uncomment?
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10:10<dvs>linuxxx: No luck with the wl driver?
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10:16<kcin>Hey guys I cannot seem to import my bookmarks/passwords into chromium from iceweasel any ideas? I try to import from chrome, it detects firefox and lets me import but the action does nothing...
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10:26<kcin>nvm I figured it out, the profile has be named default
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10:32<OkropNick>When N900 has active Device Lock, are data safe after turning it off and on? I mean - is there any data encryption?
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10:37<Aleric>wtf is this:
10:37<Aleric>>host thisdefodoesnotexist
10:37<Aleric>thisdefodoesnotexist has address 81.200.64.52
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10:38<koollman>Aleric: well ... it exists! on your network at least :)
10:40<koollman>Aleric: you may have a 'search' entry in /etc/resolv.conf, or a bad nameserver that resolve non-existing stuff
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10:41<SynrG>Aleric: that ip# is on chello. you appear to be on chello ...
10:41<SynrG>and, what koollman said
10:42<linuxxx>dvs, i haven't tried wl
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10:45<dvs>linuxxx: http://wiki.debian.org/wl
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10:46<ilea>hi all
10:46<ilea>what can i do when i get the masage dependency not satisfiable?
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10:48<ao2>hi, I have some problems with vim lately, after some Sid upload. It does not work as intended anymore in vimpager, and neither when it is invoked as the core.editor by git. Anyone wants to help me see if we can reproduce the issue.
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10:49<CdeMills>OK
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10:50<CdeMills>It seems the problem is now with properties
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10:51<CdeMills>I tried to set a statoverride for $HOME/opt; yet dpkg fails at line 776 of src/archives. The nifd->namenode->statoverride field is NULL: what are the rules to associate some dir with a statoverride ?
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11:07<rigved>can anyone tell me what is the package name of the default print server in debian?
11:08<the_hydra>must be cups
11:08<the_hydra>rigved: aptitude search cups
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11:09<rigved>the_hydra: ohh now i remember. it's that only. thanks!
11:09<the_hydra>rigved: welcome :)
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11:22<ao2>hi, can any vim user verify a thing for me? I am experiencing a misbehavior and I'd like to check whether happens to me only or not.
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11:23<ao2>I guess the problem could be in the debian vim package because other vim users are not experiencing it.
11:23<ao2>here are the directions:
11:24<ao2>1. Create a config file (e.g. ao2_test.vim)
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11:24<ao2>2. Put those lines in it:
11:24<ao2>let files = system("ls")
11:24<ao2>echo files
11:25<ao2>3. call it with: vim -u ao2_test.vim
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11:25<ao2>after those operations vim becomes unresponsive
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11:27<D3M0N>to all those who helped me yesterday:
11:27<D3M0N>vps-1039333-2900:~# mono --version
11:27<D3M0N>Mono JIT compiler version 2.8.2 (tarball Mon Feb 14 01:26:09 EST 2011)
11:27<D3M0N>i finally have the version i needed installed! Thanks!!
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11:28<D3M0N>or not :/
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11:51<webmind_org>Got extra characters in email like =20 and =3d sinse i have squeeze.
11:52<webmind_org>exim4
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11:54<webmind_org>or is the bug in ilohamail
11:55<webmind_org>i shall search and find
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12:00<D3M0N>can someone help me with y my mscorlib.dll was not placed where it was supposed to go when i manually compiled mono-2.8.2
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12:01<S2Do>Hi there. Is it possible to install debian from scratch, I mean, getting just the shell and then building it up?
12:01<petemc>anythings possible
12:01<kop>S2Do: Easiest to install only the minimum, which isn't much.
12:02<S2Do>Does the Netinst image allows me to do this?
12:02<S2Do>like archlinux does?
12:02<D3M0N>:/
12:02<zem>yes
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12:02<S2Do>great! Thanks!
12:02<zem>just install basic and uncheck anything at the end when you have choiche to install desktop/server/some other system
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12:03<the_hydra>S2Do: or you might be pleased with tiny core
12:04<S2Do>the_hydra: Is that another distribution?
12:04<S2Do>zem, thanks!
12:05<kop>S2Do: You may want "expert mode".
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12:06<kop>S2Do: The minimal debian is very small. If you want it smaller, use emdebian.
12:06<kop>!emdebian
12:06<dpkg>Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net.
12:06<the_hydra>S2Do: yup....
12:06<the_hydra>S2Do: around 10 MiB of initial install, are you pleased? it could be less AFAIK :)
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12:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 506] by debhelper
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12:09<S2Do>the_hydra: I could install that in my toaster :P
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12:09<the_hydra>S2Do: heheheh :)
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12:11<S2Do>I want to stick with debian 'cause I'm familiar with the package managment system and want to have more control of what it's install
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12:11<linuxxx>i followed this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/wl but at step 5 i get this: W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw for module r8169 and W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw for module r8169 i searched in the internet for this two firmware files but can find them :(
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12:13<gsimmons>dpkg: tell linuxxx -about rtl8168d
12:13<gsimmons>linuxxx: If you don't have that specific Ethernet controller, you can ignore the warning.
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12:16<linuxxx>gsimmons, ok i don't have this ethernet controller so i will ignore them
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12:20<sahko>wow, i didnt know Debian had mawk instead of gawk. i thought Debian was GNU uber alles
12:20<kop>linuxxx: (You don't need to search the internet, you just need to search debian's packages. Use "apt-cache search rtl8168d" to find the right package. (Or so I'm told.)
12:21<themill>sahko: it has both. I usually "aptitude install gawk mawk_"
12:22<sahko>yeah, of course both, i meant by default. i actually installed gawk cause i thought there was no awk present
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12:22<kop>themill: Why the preference?
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12:24<themill>kop: I keep finding that I use gnu extensions to awk that aren't in mawk. It'd be like sticking some old unix find on your box and depriving you of things like -print0 etc that are all gnu extensions.
12:25<SynrG>i think the choice was an efficiency thing
12:26<themill>oh yes. gawk has an install-size 10× larger than mawk. Possibly an execution speed difference too.
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12:28<SynrG>same reason we strive to avoid bashisms, so we can use /bin/sh symlinked to your favourite light, fast bourne shell, not bash
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12:29<sahko>that discussion in the devel mailing list about project homepages, is about removing them completely from the web interface?
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12:29<sahko>i searched the one for mawk and couldnt find it there, and was reminded of it
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12:31<themill>sahko: no, it's about moving the homepage out of the long description and into its own field "Homepage". Most packages have already done this, there are just a few that haven't yet.
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12:32<sahko>ah ok, thanks. sounds like the right way to do this. although from what i can tell the long discription is what available in aptitude show <package>
12:33<themill>yes
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12:35<trung>#rubyonrails
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12:39<axegee>hi
12:39<axegee>i have a netgear usb wifi device
12:39<doubledutch>axegee; welcome. stay a while
12:40<doubledutch>!congrats
12:40<axegee>that connects to a router
12:40<axegee>my wifi is open, and i have networkmanager installed, but NM can't seem to detect anything
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12:41<axegee>i was trying to manually configure it, but couldn't, can someone help?
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12:43<axegee>it was working OOTB, until i factory reset my router
12:43<axegee>doubledutch: ^
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12:43<axegee>s/router/modem
12:43<sney>axegee: what did you try?
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12:45<axegee>sney: I found out the appropriate kernel module for my usb device
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12:45<axegee>it was some realtek rtl8087b
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12:45<axegee>then, I modprobed it and ifconfig up-ped the configure wlan0 device
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12:46<sney>did you set the access point with iwconfig?
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12:46<axegee>sney: I was thinking the same thing
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12:46<axegee>it says Not-Associated
12:46<axegee>sney: how to?
12:47<sney>man iwconfig will show you all the available options, but I believe the syntax is 'iwconfig wlan0 essid netgear'
12:47<sney>where netgear is the name of your network
12:47<sney>and then you can use dhclient as usual to get an ip address
12:47<axegee>yes, i set the essid in /etc/network/interfaces
12:48<axegee>but the access-point shows NA
12:48<sney>so try to associate it manually with iwconfig, like I just said
12:49<axegee>sney: ap is the router mac right?
12:49<sney>yeah
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12:50<sney>if you were using /etc/network/interfaces, then that's probably why network-manager wasn't working. It requires that you don't mention the interface in interfaces in order to handle it. I'm not sure why
12:51<cahoot>is it really so?
12:51<sney>well, so says the wiki. I don't use network-manager so there's a margin of error I suppose
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12:52<linuxxx>at step 8 of this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/wl i get lo, eth0, eth1 it is supposed to appear wlan0??
12:52<axegee>sney: uhm, should i restart init.d/networking now?
12:53<sney>axegee: I thought you were trying to get it working manually ? anyway, try whatever you think will work, #debian is just here to make things clearer and point you in the right direction
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12:53<Debianuser656>Hola!!!
12:53<sney>hi
12:54<Debianuser656>Tengo un problema, debian no me reconoce el monitor
12:54<gsimmons>linuxxx: No, ethX is correct (broadcom-sta/wl is not a mac80211 driver). You can always rename it however.
12:54<bartm>Debianuser656, english please
12:54<axegee>sney: okay, i just realised that when I restarted init.d/networking it was already listening on the correct mac implicitly
12:54<Debianuser656>sorry!!!
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12:54<axegee>sney: i'm just trying to get it work
12:54<eliezer>hi, know any how-to for install gnome3 in debian 6, thanks
12:54<axegee>sney: manually, because NM isn't working
12:55<linuxxx>gsimmons, so now following this guide will be the next step no? http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#OtherGUI
12:55<sney>axegee: so, it associated to the access point, did you get an ip address?
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12:56<axegee>sney: nope
12:56<sney>did you try 'dhclient wlan0'
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12:57<gsimmons>linuxxx: Use whatever you want to manage the wireless interface. Regarding the brcm80211 driver, did you try the maxcpus=1 workaround (as suggested in #602444)?
12:58<linuxxx>gsimmons, yes i tried but didn't work
12:58<linuxxx>gsimmons, if u look at the bug report the second post the person who reported the bug say that didn't work the solution
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13:00<danyel>e ai galera na onde encontro debian para download
13:00<sney>www.debian.org
13:00<bartm>danyel, english please
13:00<danyel>vers'ao desktop
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13:01<axegee>sney: wait
13:01<danyel>aguem tem configuracao das interfaces ai pra mim
13:01<axegee>sney: i was wrrong
13:01<sney>!br
13:01<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:01<axegee>sney: the AP is still NA
13:01<gsimmons>linuxxx: Right, I had thought that was a workaround only to a 43224/43225-specific locking issue.
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13:02<axegee>sney: seems like, the command didn't register it readily?
13:02<linuxxx>gsimmons, as i saw i can solve the problem im trying wl i have bcm 4313
13:02<sney>hmm, and you know the router/modem are functioning? I'm assuming you're talking to me from a different computer on the same network
13:02<axegee>yep
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13:04<sney>axegee: if you do 'iwlist wlan0 scanning' do you see your ap in the list?
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13:05<dvs>linuxxx: if you do 'iwlist wlan0 scanning' do you see your ap in the list?
13:05<dvs>heh heh heh
13:05<sney>thief! D:
13:05*dvs steals away in the night
13:05<axegee>sney: yeah it does :S
13:06<webmind_org>Hi Debian Crew -- IlohaMail Ain't stable at all........ please look at it.......... thanks in advance.
13:06<axegee>sney: Cell 01 - Address: correct mac
13:06<linuxxx>dvs, i dont have wlan0 interface
13:06<dvs>linuxxx: try eth1 instead
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13:08<dvs>huh?
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13:08<linuxxx>sorry
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13:09<linuxxx>dvs, iwlist eth1 scanning?
13:09<sney>axegee: well, maybe try iwconfig wlan0 essid any, and see if it finds it on its own
13:09<dvs>yes
13:09<sney>axegee: 'man iwconfig' will show you your possibilities
13:10<linuxxx>dvs, output eth1 failed to read scan data: invalid argument
13:10<sney>at least iwlist showing the network means the radio is working
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13:10<dvs>linuxxx: you spelt something wrong
13:10<dvs>probably "scanning"
13:11<sney>linuxxx, dvs: also, the wl driver doesn't support all of the wireless-extensions
13:11<trung>tbuehlmann, and terminal still show running
13:11<dvs>really? that sucks!!! ;-)
13:11<linuxxx>dvs, i put iwlist eth1 scanning isnt wrong
13:11<dvs>ok
13:11<dvs>linuxxx: does "iwconfig" print anything?
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13:12<linuxxx>dvs, yes appers lo, eth0, eth1
13:12<danyel>regra de firewall para sai para internet
13:13<danyel>aguem pode me agudar
13:13<sney>!br
13:13<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:13<dvs>linuxxx: and eth1 has a big description?
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13:13<linuxxx>dvs, yes
13:13<dvs>linuxxx: Then it's just a matter of configuring the wifi card
13:14<babilen>it is "iwlist INTERFACE scan"
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13:14<cahoot>or simply iwlist scan
13:14<dvs>if iwlist doesn't work, what else can check the card?
13:14<linuxxx>babilen, i put iwlist eth1 scan and get the same output as iwlist eth1 scanning
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13:15<babilen>cahoot: yeah, i just meant it is *not* "iwlist [INTERFACE] scanning" :)
13:15<Mazze>Since quite some time I have the problem, that I can only use my soundcard for only application simultaneously; right now, vlc does no longer output audio, and I cannot find out why. I told him to use pulseaudio, which is installed and running. The soundcard is snd_hda_intel. I would be thankful for any hints.
13:16<babilen>linuxxx, cahoot: Oh, both are possible. I've always used "scan" and forgot that "scanning" is valid as well. Sorry for the noise. ;)
13:16<linuxxx>babilen, on other computers i used iwlist wlan0 scanning always and worked
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13:16<sney>yes, babilen is just wrong
13:17<babilen>yeah, your interface is probably not named wlan0 -- /msg dpkg 70 -- if you want to change that
13:17<babilen>sney: huh? Why am I just wrong?
13:17<sney>for your erroneous correction
13:17<linuxxx>and what is going wrong? :S
13:18<axegee>even "scann" works
13:18<axegee>:P
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13:18<axegee>probably bad regex :D
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13:19<sney>linuxxx: don't worry about it, the thing is that your driver doesn't support ap scanning
13:19<sahko>hmm theres no /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ by default
13:19<babilen>sahko: Just create it
13:19<linuxxx>sney, so now i can install wicd?
13:19<sney>sure
13:20<sret>hi all
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13:20<sret>2 weeks up and squeeze running smooothly
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13:21<ticaje>hrlo
13:21<linuxxx>sney, so i can't scan using wicd?
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13:22<dvs>sret: hey! Squeeze hasn't been released for two weeks yet! ;-)
13:22<sney>I don't know, I've never used it with that driver. give it a shot
13:22<sret>dvs: right:P
13:22<linuxxx>sney, ok
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13:23<sret>there has been no updates for squeeze for about 2 weeks now i think
13:23<sret>my system is well updated
13:23<bartm>there were a few updates via security recently
13:23<babilen>!tell sahko about xorg.conf.d
13:23<sret>bartm: which?
13:24<sret>how do i check if its updated those?
13:24<dvs>sret: openssl libssl
13:24<bartm>sret, these :) http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/
13:24<dvs>sret: aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade
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13:25<sret>ah libssl
13:25<sret>and openssl
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13:25<sret>3 pkgs, interesting, how come my update manager didnt pick up those?
13:25<axegee>sney:
13:26<Mazze2>I'm running squeeze, installed it as testing about 9 months ago. I now want to do "apt-get install upstart", and apt-get yells at me "removing sysvinit should not be done". Should I "Yes, do as I say"?
13:26<sret>i have security.debian.org in my sources list, shouldnt the update manager pick these up?
13:26<axegee>sney: Err, wlan0 in ifconfig shows me a different HwAddr
13:26<sret>dvs: thanks, bartm
13:26<dvs>np
13:27<sney>the hwaddr in ifconfig is your wireless interface's MAC
13:27<axegee>sney: and Link Encap:Ethernet ; iwconfig still shows the ap as NA
13:27<axegee>oh
13:27<sney>the one in iwconfig is the access point, so they should be different
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13:27<axegee>ah, ok
13:27<axegee>makes sense
13:27<sret>wont update manager pick up security updates?
13:27<bartm>sret, should
13:28<sney>Mazze2: if your plan is to replace sysvinit (insserv) with upstart, then yes, that's what you're doing
13:28<sahko>babilen: thanks, i already had the files ready from before. :)
13:28<sney>Mazze2: just be careful when messing with init replacements, if you do it wrong you can render your system unbootable
13:29<babilen>sahko: great! but before what?
13:29<sahko>before asking
13:29<babilen>ah :)
13:29<sney>axegee: your focus right now should be getting the interface to associate by using iwconfig. read the man page and try stuff
13:29<sret>this is this is weird, i tried update manager to do a check, it didnt show updates for oips for libssl or openssl, but after i did an aptitude update, aptitude safe-upgrade, and just before i commenced downloading and installing, update manager showed updates for libssl and openssl
13:29<Mazze>sney maybe I misunderstood something: I thought, dependency-based booting was enable by upstart in conjunction with insserv; upstart does not conflict with "insserv", only with "sysvinit".
13:30<jordanm>sret: update-manager probably checks on some kind of interval that had not hit yet
13:30<jordanm>sret: probably would have been the same if you manually clicked "check" in update-manager
13:30<sret>jordanm: ah
13:30<linuxxx>sney, i have my ethernet cable connected by default network worked but now no what command i have to use to start it?
13:30<sney>linuxxx: what?
13:30<sret>jordanm: i did a check before i did an aptitude update/safe-upgrade, it didnt list any pkgs to be updated
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13:31<linuxxx>sney, i have my ethernet cable connected to the computer what command i have to put to enable it?
13:31<sret>anyhow im updated:d
13:31<sret>:D
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13:31<sney>Mazze: insserv is in squeeze by default; it's a modification to sysv-rc, I think. upstart is an optional replacement for sysv-rc.
13:32<sahko>babilen: well, technically i didnt ask, i was just surprised the dir wasnt there
13:32<sney>linuxxx: usually just 'ifconfig eth0 up' and 'dhclient eth0' if it's not specified in interfaces
13:33<SynrG>linuxxx: punctuation makes understanding you easier. please use some.
13:33<linuxxx>sney, ok now ethernet works. i will try wicd installation
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13:33<dvs>SynrG: like enter? ;-P
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13:34<sney>lol
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13:34<finn>how to install fsomething from .bin file
13:35<sney>a bin file could be anything
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13:35<the_hydra>finn: check it first with "file" command to find out what it really is
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13:36<jordanm>they're often shell scripts with an encoded archive
13:36<amphi>'data' ;)
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13:38<finn>the_hydra, i know what it is. it's jre-6u23-linux-i586.bin
13:38<finn>i know where it is but how install it
13:38<dvs>finn: Why not use the debian package/
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13:38<the_hydra>finn: i mean, use "file" to find out the type of the file
13:38<dvs>java6-sun-jre?
13:39<SynrG>finn: the short answer is "however the site you got it from instructs you to install it"
13:39<sney>sun-java6.jre.
13:39<sney>er, sun-java6-jre.
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13:39<SynrG>but yeah, why not use the java package (non-free)?
13:39<dvs>that too
13:39<SynrG>sun java, that is
13:40<SynrG>also, isn't there java-package or something?
13:40<dvs>SynrG: ^^^
13:40<SynrG>or is that obsolete?
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13:41*dvs new Debian slogan: "There's a package for that!"
13:41<linuxxx>SynrG, installed wicd using this guide http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#OtherGUI it doesn't appear a list of wifi connections
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13:41<SynrG>(for automated conversion of upstream java package to deb)
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13:41<finn>so how to install it in easiest way?
13:41<jordanm>finn: the answer was, you shouldn't
13:41<dvs>finn: aptitude install sun-java6-jre
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13:42<dvs>but it's only update 22 if that's OK
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13:43<SynrG>hm, yeah 'java-package' was in lenny. now gone from squeeze. anything replace it?
13:43<dvs>SynrG: ^^^
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13:43<EmleyMoor>When adding a phone to the paired Bluetooth devices in squeeze, it offers to set it up for DUN - what, on the Debian side of things, does that actually do?
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13:45<SynrG>http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-java@lists.debian.org/msg14503.html
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13:45<DivX>i installed my Realtek chipset using the Alternative Method here " http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA " but there's no sound card now none
13:45<SynrG>oh well. i guess there isn't. so you live with an out-of-date sun java or install from upstream
13:46<linuxxx>SynrG, installed wicd using this guide http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#OtherGUI it doesn't appear a list of wifi connections
13:46<SynrG>(or, obviously, use openjdk ... but some apps refuse to support it, e.g. rubymine)
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13:46<SynrG>linuxxx: why ask me in particular when there are many people here to help?
13:46<babilen>!tell finn about java
13:47<amphi>linuxxx: did you tell it to refresh the list (R in wicd-curses)
13:47<amphi>?
13:47<finn>!tell finn flash-player
13:47<linuxxx>SynrG, sorry
13:47<finn>!tell finn flash
13:47<amphi>!tell finn -about selftell
13:47<linuxxx>amphi, yes i clicked at the option
13:47<amphi>linuxxx: does 'iwlist your_interface scan' show anything?
13:47<finn>sorry
13:48<dvs>amphi: no, (we tried that)
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13:48<linuxxx>amphi, nope
13:48<SynrG>linuxxx: it's ok. it's just funny you singled me out, since my only contribution was to ask you to use punctuation :)
13:48<babilen>finn: You probably want to add <non-free> sources and install "flashplugin-nonfree" -- If you install Java for the plugin, you should also install the respective plugin package. I recommend installing "openjdk-6-jre" and "icedtea6-plugin"
13:48<amphi>linuxxx: so something more fundamental is wrong
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13:49<linuxxx>im using this driver http://wiki.debian.org/wl in broadcom bcm4313
13:49<amphi>linuxxx: what card is this?
13:49<bartm>babilen, flashplugin-nonfree is in contrib
13:49<amphi>oh, broadcom
13:49<amphi>no idea about that
13:49<babilen>bartm: si, always gets me :-\
13:49<amphi>linuxxx: do you have the firmware correctly installed?
13:49<linuxxx>amphi, because i tried brcm80211 but gived me a kernel panick
13:49<babilen>finn: Add <contrib> sources -- "main contrib" in your /etc/apt/sources.list
13:49<linuxxx>i followed the guide i mentinoed before without errors
13:50<amphi>!broadcom
13:50<dpkg>Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>. For Ethernet chipset support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>.
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13:50<EmleyMoor>Sinco I installed squeeze, using Gnome PPP to connect to the Internet usually fails the first time (times out) then may not work any more (though sometimes it does) until the phone is reset. Seen this with two different phones. Any way to make it better?
13:50<Eulenspiegel69>when will there a new kernel be integrated into testing?
13:50<amphi>!b43
13:50<dpkg>[b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (all 802.11n) are not supported, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net.
13:50<EmleyMoor>Since, even
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13:50*dvs ugh. b43 nevered worked for me.
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13:52<linuxxx>when i tried brcm80211 i've done all steps without errors but when i did ifconfig wlan0 scanning the computer freezed
13:52<babilen>linuxxx: which card do you have? Could you paste "lspci -nn|grep -i network" in heere if unsure ..
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13:53<axegee>bleh
13:53<axegee>can't get it to work
13:53<linuxxx>babilen, broadcom bmc4313
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13:54<amphi>linuxxx: do you have the brcm80211 firmware installed?
13:55<amphi>linuxxx: ie. have you installed the non-free package firmware-brcm80211 ?
13:55<DivX>how to know if i have these (gcc, make, build-essential, linux-headers for your kernel, etc.) or not ?
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13:55<babilen>linuxxx: What does "modprobe -r wl ; modprobe -r brcm80211 ; modprobe brcm80211 ; dmesg | tail -10" give you? Is it complaining about firmware? What is the output of "iwconfig" in if it is not and you have the firmware installed?
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13:57<linuxxx>amphi, i had firmware-brcm80211 installed but as i said after following all the guide at scanning throught the terminal freezed my computer
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13:57<finn>babilen, i installed icedtea6-plugin and openjdk-6-jre but dont have flash in my iceweael still
13:58<amphi>linuxxx: consistently, or did you only try once?
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13:58<linuxxx>amphi, when freezed i rebooted by the power button and tried again and again and always freezed
13:58<sney>finn: installing java so you can have flash?
13:59<amphi>linuxxx: damn
13:59<finn>i thoough so
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13:59<babilen>finn: You have to install "flashplugin-nonfree" for flash. openjdk-6-jre and icedtea6-plugin are packages for java :)
13:59<linuxxx>amphi, some user linked me to this http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/bug-602444-firmware-brcm80211-kernel-panic-iwlist-scan-help-200937681.html
14:00<linuxxx>amphi, but if you read the second post the person who reported the bug said that doesn't work
14:00<linuxxx>babilen,
14:00<amphi>linuxxx: did you try loading the module with maxcpus=1 ?
14:00<linuxxx>yes
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14:01<finn>when i try to install flashplugin-nonfree, i get that it is already installed in high version
14:01<amphi>linuxxx: and it still froze?
14:01<bartm>finn, high version?
14:01<linuxxx>amphi, yep
14:02<amphi>linuxxx: have you taken the moral of this story to heart? ;)
14:02<babilen>amphi: It is not a module parameter. I'm reading the bug report (#602444) now ...
14:02<linuxxx>amphi, as you can see at the bug report the user says it fixed the bug but was mistaken at the second post he says it doesn't work
14:02<finn>bartm, should be latest, sor
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14:02<linuxxx>amphi, nope xd
14:02<amphi>babilen: so it isn't
14:03<amphi>linuxxx: you should - avoid broadcom like the plague
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14:04<linuxxx>amphi, lol, ok, it is in my hp mini 210 netbook
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14:06<babilen>The 2.6.37 kernel might be worth a try. Apparently the driver is available there, has received a lot of love (no idea if Ben incorporated that in .32 as well as claimed in his last post) ...
14:07<axegee>sney: @_@
14:07<sney>axegee: nothing?
14:07<EmleyMoor>I avoided Dell wireless on the assumption that it was likely to be Broadcom. They did offer Intel as an alternative - glad I chose it, but I have had to replace the card once.
14:07<axegee>sney: i removed all the configurations from etc/network/interfaces ; added managed=true in NM configs
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14:07<babilen>And the report mentioned .36 and .32 :-\ -- otherwise on could try to compile the driver directly from upstream. (git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/gregkh/staging-2.6.git)
14:07<axegee>sney: and NM detected wifi :O
14:08<sney>good job nm
14:08<axegee>lul
14:08<axegee>whee connected \0/
14:08<sney>hooray
14:08<axegee>sney: Thanks for all the help!
14:08<sney>not sure what was wrong, but
14:08<sney>!congratulate axegee
14:08<dpkg>Nice one axegee, you did it!
14:08<axegee>yeah
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14:10<linuxxx>babilen, it doesn't sounds easy no? :(
14:10<axegee>sney: that was it, what you said in the beginning, if NM state is unmanaged it doesn't honour the manual configurations
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14:11<axegee>as in doesn't try to touch in /etc/network/interfaces
14:11<axegee>cat /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian
14:11<axegee>found that here.
14:12<sney>yeah, that's one of the reasons I don't like nm
14:12<axegee>time to login as kitallis :D
14:12<SynrG>a poor reason not to like it. that's a reason not to like the *packaging* of NM. and there's a bug about that, btw :)
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14:13<SynrG>i hope that gets fixed. it's not really very nice.
14:13<sney>it's a huge pain for troubleshooting
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14:13<SynrG>we did some measurements a while back and found wicd wasn't all that light as it is made out to be, alongside NM
14:13<SynrG>in fact, it appeared it consumed *more* memory :p
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14:14<linuxxx>here are more drivers i can choose http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#Drivers
14:14<SynrG>also, wicd's UI is 'clunky' and many of the things that didn't work well for me before with NM were solved by the time squeeze released.
14:14<sney>I ran into a wicd bug on my eee and gave up on it, I just use interfaces and the wavelan panel applet these days
14:14<SynrG>personally, i use wpa_cli + wpa_supplicant, but i have "special" needs ...
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14:14*dvs agrees
14:14<SynrG>but for the avg. user, i now think NM is the most trouble-free (except for this one thing)
14:15<linuxxx>don't know if give a try to ndiswrapper
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14:15<SynrG>uggh. i'd sooner throw out the hardware and replace it than touch ndiswrapper :(
14:16<sney>sounds like it's onboard though
14:16<SynrG>life is short and my time is more valuable than that
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14:16<sney>maybe mini-pcie, but hp laptop bioses tend to throw a hissy fit if you replace the nic
14:16*SynrG makes mental note ... don't buy hp laptops
14:17<linuxxx>i dont find any "easy" solution to my problem
14:18<sney>yeah, the only hp I'll touch is servers or business desktops
14:18*dvs will go for a Lenovo next time
14:19<sney>my new lenovo laptop just spent 3 days moving in the wrong direction, according to upss
14:19<devil>linuxxx: do you have a pci-id for the device?
14:19<linuxxx>yes
14:19<sney>but hopefully now it will get on a plane, and then I can install debian on it when it arrives! hooray
14:19<linuxxx>devil, yes
14:20<linuxxx>devil, 14E4:4727
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14:21<ml|_>judd: pciid 14E4:4727
14:21<judd>[14e4:4727] is 'BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'brcm80211' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4727 http://wiki.debian.org/wl http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 and the out-of-tree 'wl' module.
14:21<devil>linuxxx: and using module assistant to build it does not work?
14:22<linuxxx>devil, followed wl and bcm80211 guides on the official debian wiki and got problemes with two
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14:22<dvs>linuxxx: At this point, I'd compile a newer kernel manually but that's a lot of work.
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14:23<devil>linuxxx: firmware-brcm80211 should™ work (it does for .37 kernel)
14:23<linuxxx>devil, i have 2.6.32-5 kernel
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14:23<devil>thought so.
14:24<linuxxx>devil, debian hasn't put an update of the kernel no?
14:24<linuxxx>dvs, i tried to compile the kernel one day and no isn't an easy task
14:24<devil>linuxxx: not for squeeze, no, but there is a .37 kernel in experimental
14:24<dvs>linuxxx: you could try an experimental kernel but I've never used one before.
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14:24<devil>the kernel is fine
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14:25<dvs>you know what? There's no time like the present.
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14:26<linuxxx>devil, is easy to install the experimental kernel?
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14:27<devil>linuxxx: well, you need to add a line to your sources.list
14:27<linuxxx>devil, o perfect
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14:30<webmind_org>i trashed ilohamail and use squirrelmail
14:30<linuxxx>devil, im looking for that line throught internet and not getting an answer
14:31<ml|_>you can just download the kernel and not mess with source.list
14:31<devil>linuxxx: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free
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14:34<devil>linuxxx: then do apt-get update && apt-get install -t experimental linux-image-2.6.37-trunk-686 linux-headers-2.6.37-trunk-686
14:34<devil>linuxxx: adjust to 564-bit, if needed
14:34<devil>erm, 64-bit will do :)
14:34<linuxxx>devil i have 64 bit
14:35<devil>linuxxx: then change -686 to -amd64 for both packages
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14:35<linuxxx>the -t experimental parameter is needed?
14:36<dvs>my sound is pooched now
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14:36<devil>linuxxx: nah, i put it there just for fun :)
14:37<linuxxx>devil, jaja
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14:37<linuxxx>devil, i tell u because one day i installed flashplugin-nonfree and tell to put -t and a name different thand experimental and worked but without that parameter worked equally
14:38<devil>linuxxx: flash is in the normal repo, no -t needed
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14:39<gsimmons>babilen: Yes, it was incorporated; brcm80211 in squeeze is taken from 2.6.37-rc1.
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14:40<devil>linuxxx: dont mix up a repository with the contrib or non-free categories of a repo
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14:40<babilen>gsimmons: hence my suggestion
14:42<linuxxx>devil, ok i have the kernel installed and running :)
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14:43<linuxxx>devil, now i have to try this guide? http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211
14:44<devil>linuxxx: first check if firmware-brcm80211 is installable from squeeze
14:44<linuxxx>yes i installed before
14:45<devil>so load the module and see if it works
14:45<linuxxx>now i haven't firmware-brcm80211 installed i have to?
14:45<devil>yes
14:45<linuxxx>devil,
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14:46<devil>; firmware-brcm80211
14:46<devil>erm, how did htat work?
14:46<linuxxx>devil, installlation of firmware-brcm80211 succesful
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14:47<devil>linuxxx: what version?
14:47<linuxxx>devil, 0,28
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14:47<devil>linuxxx: good
14:49<linuxxx>devil, module loaded
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14:49<devil>linuxxx: does iwconfig see it?
14:49<linuxxx>devil, wlan0 appears in iwconfig
14:50<devil>linuxxx: iwlist scan
14:51<dvs>iwlist wlan0 scan
14:51<linuxxx>devil, network wlan0 is down i put ifconfig wlan0 up and then i put iwlist scan and freezes :(
14:51<linuxxx>nooooooooooo :'(
14:51<sney>at this point I would recommend using ndiswrapper just to get it running
14:51<linuxxx>can't acces to any tty to stop the proces and can't do nothing
14:52<devil>linuxxx: thats how far a ican take you. the rest is testing. i never had and probably will never have a broadcom device
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14:53<linuxxx>sney, ok i will try ndiswrapper, i hope it will be easy :S
14:53<sney>iirc it's fairly straightforward, just limited and not 100% stable
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14:53<devil>and not really maintained anymore
14:54<devil>or rather developed
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14:54<linuxxx>so try ndiswrapper is what i have to do
14:55<devil>afaik it only allows xp drivers, nothing newer
14:55<devil>dont take my word for it, it might have changed lately
14:55<sney>xp/2k are generally the easiest drivers to find anyway
14:55<devil>thats true
14:56<linuxxx>im lucky to have an other computer because if not i will have installed windows :(
14:56<linuxxx>a lenovo one
14:56<sney>lenovo generally uses intel hardware which is easy to support
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14:56<devil>linuxxx: a swimple cable would also connect you, no need for windows :)
14:58<linuxxx>devil, yes but i want wifi
14:58<flixh>current kde 4.4 in wheezy: For a while now the "Recent messages" popup is not disappearing automatically anymore not matter how long I wait. Anybody got an idea where I can set the timeout or how I get it to disappear again?
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14:58<linuxxx>linuxxx, its a netbook, a netbook without wifi is like...
14:59<linuxxx>dish
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14:59<linuxxx>devil, its a netbook, a netbook without wifi is like...
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15:01<linuxxx>im going to take a shower later i'll try ndiswrapper
15:01<devil>linuxxx: i meant for getting it onlie to set it up
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15:03<kkit|sh>when filing a bug report (for xbindkeys, in this case), is it appropriate to set the severity to "grave" if it crashes immediately upon use?
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15:03<kkit|sh>the package is entirely unusable
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15:09<Gen>xbindkeys - error: "Increasing the allocated memory by 2 (char* envstr = malloc (envstr_size+2);) seems to solve the issue."
15:10<chealer>kkit|sh: if you're sure the package is simply unusable, yes. if it's just unusable in some cases, important may be appropriate
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16:18<rpetre>does anybody know of any official or semi-official initiative to have amazon images for debian? (besides alestic's)
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16:18<jhutchins_lt>amazon images?
16:19<rpetre>ec2
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16:19<anil>hi
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16:21<rpetre>i think ubuntu has been publishing official AMIs for the last couple of releases, it would be nice to have a similar initiative for debian
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16:22<jhutchins_lt>rpetre: Still no idea what you're talking about. Pictures of the jungle?
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16:23<rpetre>jhutchins_lt: http://aws.amazon.com/
16:23<ompaul>jhutchins_lt: ec2 images
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16:24<stderr_dk>Is it "hard" to make them yourself?
16:24<rpetre>jhutchins_lt: and http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/maverick/release/
16:25<rpetre>stderr_dk: it could be tricky,as far as i know you need an approved kerneland initrd
16:25<stderr_dk>I see...
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16:26<rpetre>there are some initiatives,like http://alestic.com/ , but their debian images don't get much love and i'm less willing to trust their images as i would a debian-related source (maybe a dd or the d-i team)
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16:30<ziom>how to quit application on twm?
16:30<stderr_dk>rpetre: So something like http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0-live/i386/usb-hdd/ but for EC2?
16:31<rpetre>stderr_dk: not quite. amazon images come as a kernel image and a disk image, preinstalled and ready to boot
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16:32<rpetre>anyway, you can't quite do installs from scratch in ec2, and i'm told there are some hacks to be done to make the virtualized hardware work properly
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16:33<stderr_dk>rpetre: The link I gave wasn't to the installer. Don't know if you noticed...
16:33<rpetre>it's the live image,i know
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16:34<rpetre>still, you can't boot it
16:34<rpetre>or rather, not as such
16:34<MrFrood>when running gnu-screen in the frame buffer the F1-F4 keys do not work, anybody got any ideas on how to fix this?
16:35<jhutchins_lt>I would think the procedure would be to ask Amazon to create official Debian images.
16:35<rpetre>jhutchins_lt: they tend to support rhel and suse
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16:37<jhutchins_lt>rpetre: Probably because that's what they get the most requests for. If people request Debian they'll support Debian.
16:37<rpetre>anyway, i was just curious if anyone heard about some debian-related initiative to create some images, i'm not quite happy with ubuntu as the only quick choice
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16:39<jhutchins_lt>Speaking of images, I know there are tarballs of the contents of the 52+ CD images, but is there a list of which CD is what?
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16:41<stderr_dk>jhutchins_lt: When I needed that info, I looked in the jigdo files.
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16:42<stderr_dk>Mainly because I already had those files...
16:43<stderr_dk>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/list-cd/ is probably the official way...
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16:49<jhutchins_lt>Those are the ~60 contents lists - a lot to sort through.
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16:52<daemonkeeper>It is pretty complicated to determine out of package lists what one needs to download. Chances are dependencies require one to download totally different CDs. As several people said: No reason to download all 52 CDs (but the 1st) unless you have no Internet access
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16:53<rpetre>jhutchins_lt: maybe the www team can include that information on the package page, try to open a wishlist bug (there was some pseudo package for this but i can't remember it)
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16:54<daemonkeeper>Ok, apparently I missed network, thought this is for the discussion on Freenode. Holds here as well nonetheless.
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17:07<jhutchins_lt>Hoping to catch the eye of someone who knows.
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17:08<jhutchins_lt>I know for other distros they have a list, and they break down by country/language.
17:08<jhutchins_lt>Other distros don't have 60 iso's though.
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17:10<daemonkeeper>Well, most don't even produce full ISOs anymore and if, they come not even close to Debian's 28k package.
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17:10<daemonkeeper>*packages
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17:11<jhutchins_lt>daemonkeeper: One of Mandriva's many failings was that they stopped producing CD images - DVD or online only.
17:11<jhutchins_lt>We <3 Debian!
17:11<daemonkeeper>Didn't follow Mandriva. I used Mandrake 6 or 7 or so long time ago. :)
17:14<jhutchins_lt>It was a good distro for a while.
17:15<daemonkeeper>Well, I liked urpmi at a time where rpm had not dependency resolving at all, but then I installed Potato and upgraded to Woody when it came out very soon after that ... :)
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17:19<bootsplash>hello
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17:24<stderr_dk>jhutchins_lt: Not sure what you're trying to do, but ... rsync -HSax cdimage.debian.org::debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/list-cd/ list-cd/ && zgrep aptitude list-cd/debian-6.0.0-i386-CD-*.list.gz works for me.
17:24<stderr_dk>Replace "aptitude" with whatever package you're looking for...
17:25<stderr_dk>Those rsync options are just the ones my fingers always type by themself when I type rsync... Not important...
17:26<bootsplash>hello
17:26<bootsplash>how do i use add-apt-repository command on debian squeeze?
17:26<bootsplash>system does not recognized that command
17:27<soloflyer>bootsplash: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list
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17:27<jhutchins_lt>stderr_dk: That gives me ~60 lists to read through. I want to know how the CD's are broken down. Alphabetically? By country/language? By function?
17:28<soloflyer>bootsplash: i believe add-apt-repository is a ubuntu specific thing
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17:28<bootsplash>soloflyer, i just wanna install a program but the author sharing only ppa address so i can not add to sources.list directly
17:28<doubledutch>!qotd0
17:28<dpkg><WiFiTux> how much can I paste here? -!- WiFiTux [~abonilla@natsj-9-netra20.ice.co.cr] has quit [Excess Flood] <ricky_clarkson> Not that much, obviously.
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17:29<stderr_dk>jhutchins_lt: Short story: Most used packages on CD1, second most used on CD2... Packages no one uses are on the last CD...
17:30<daemonkeeper>/apparenty/ no one uses. popcon is not very reliable (for good reasons)
17:31<stderr_dk>You're right. I forgot the "".
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17:31<jhutchins_lt>So they're sorted by their popcon score and the breaks are wherever the disk is full...
17:32<rpetre>jhutchins_lt: i think they're arranged based on dependencies too
17:32<soloflyer>bootsplash: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=55646
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17:33<stderr_dk>rpetre: Wouldn't popcon take care of that too?
17:33<daemonkeeper>rpetre: Well, you order by dependency as well by ordering by popcon
17:33<daemonkeeper>If you install foo that depends on bar, bar has the same popcon score (or even better)
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17:34<rpetre>daemonkeeper: there are some cases of alternative depends or virtual depends etc
17:34<daemonkeeper>Right
17:34<daemonkeeper>But I don't think this would be really significant.
17:35<rpetre>i just felt the need to point out that the algoritm might be a bit more complex
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17:35<soloflyer>bootsplash: what is the link to the ppa?
17:35<daemonkeeper>Well, since nothing must depend on essential packages per policy the algorithm is obviously more complex, since those end up on CD 1
17:36<rpetre>from what i know, the first cd should be enough to install gnome (or kde, or xfce for those flavours)
17:36<mc68040>jhutchins_lt: thats not the whole story, CD1 has additional requirements regarding tasksel and the debian-installer, if you want details contact the cd team
17:36<rpetre>so maybe that requirement pushed some other packages on th esecond one
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17:37<rpetre>anyway, the first dvd should have mostly everything you want
17:38<daemonkeeper>At least everything to get a working system being able to install needed components from the Internet.
17:38<rpetre>unless you want to do a network-free install, whatever else you need should be easily obtainable
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17:39<daemonkeeper>Well, unless you own a NIX with a non-free firmware at least :p
17:39<daemonkeeper>*NIC
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17:39<jhutchins_lt>rpetre: Well, we were looking at CD's, and he wanted Spanish for an off-line machine.
17:40<jhutchins_lt>So if bash in portuguese is more popular than sendmail in spanish it's going to be on a lower-number CD, but the only way to know is to grep through the lists?
17:41<rpetre>jhutchins_lt: i don't think language has anything to do with this
17:41<jhutchins_lt>Well, the i18n packages have to be somewhere.
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17:42<daemonkeeper>But not for bash & co
17:42<daemonkeeper>For large toolkits like Gnome yes
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17:42<rpetre>i'd say, look at the second and third cds to see if there is stuff you need on them
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17:43<rpetre>"stuff you need" being very subjective here, obviously
17:43<daemonkeeper>jhutchins_lt: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/bash/filelist See here. most smaller (command line) tools embed their localization files.
17:44<daemonkeeper>Only KDE & Gnome stuff has i18n packages
17:44<daemonkeeper>Or likewise, bigger packages.
17:44<rpetre>mozilla, openoffice, too
17:44<sney>it occurs to me that the xfce cd1 might have more non-DE stuff, since xfce is generally pretty small?
17:45<devil>daemonkeeper: kde switched to l10n
17:45<daemonkeeper>devil: Ok :)
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17:52<user2>hi dudes.
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17:54<user2>s would like to start to skill myselv with network boot (pxe, tftp, etc) but i am total newbie in this matter. somehone can suggest me the right documentation to read?
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18:02<mc68040>user2: you could start here: http://wiki.debian.org/PXE
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18:04<user2>tnx. btw, my scope is not to do installation , but to charce on client a preconfigured installation. so everytime i turn on the client, it charge a virgin pc.
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18:08<mc68040>user2: you could boot a live cd image (grml for example) via network, but i dont know your requirements
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18:10<user2>mc68040, i did a my own live usb (syslinux change in ram my own recompiled monolitic linux and my own initrd.gz, expand it and tun in ram). the qeustion is: as far as you lknow, can i move kernel and initrd.gz on server and force client to boot via network ising kernel and initrd.gz?
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18:13<mc68040>user2: if booting kernel with supplied initrd is all you need, then it should be easy
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18:14<user2>mc68040, great! yes i have just 2 file: kernel and how to convince my diskless client to get them from servercompressed filesyste: what i still dont know is
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18:15<user2>mc68040, great ! yes i have just 2 file: kernel and compressed filesyste: what i still dont know is how to convince my diskless client to get them from server
18:15<user2>sorry typo :(
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18:17<mc68040>user2: follow the links on the page i gave you, they describe how to setup dhcpd/tftpd/pxelinux. after that you should be able to setup the configuration you need
18:17<user2>mc68040, tank you so much
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18:20<mc68040>user2: and dont be irritated thats (partly/mostly) about debian-installer, the methods are the same
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18:20<user2>mc68040, im debian user since potato 2.2, debian CANNOT irritate me :D
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18:21<webmind_org>Can anyone help, command 'let' is not found in bin/bash
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18:22<user2>btw, i tried debian/kfreebsd... wireless-tools are not present and lsusb does not report usb devices
18:22<mc68040>user2: pfff, newbie, dont even know slink... ;)
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18:22<webmind_org>and -eq is an unexpected operator
18:23<user2>mc68040, asuffer win 3.11 in these times :)hahahha no i
18:23<user2>mc68040, i think i wold not be able to survive in times pre apt-get :)
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18:24<jhutchins_lt>webmind_org: What are you trying to do?
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18:26<webmind_org>I have a little script to count processes
18:26<webmind_org>totals with let dtot=$d1+$d2+$d3
18:26<webmind_org>but let: not found
18:27<webmind_org>it was working in lenny
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18:27<webmind_org>same script
18:27<jhutchins_lt>webmind_org: I wonder if you got upgraded to dash or something.
18:27<webmind_org>Did a new install
18:27<retrospectacus>webmind_org, ((dtot=$d1+$d2+$d3))
18:27<webmind_org>everything is running but not let and -eq
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18:28<webmind_org>ok i try ((dtot=$d1+$d2+$d3))
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18:28<themill>webmind_org: what's the output of "readlink -f /bin/sh" and what's the first line of your script?
18:29<mc68040>webmind_org: AFAIK, in squeeze the default shell is now /bin/dash, you can try "#!/bin/bash" as first line in your script
18:29<jhutchins_lt>sh links to dash on this squeeze.
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18:31<webmind_org>output is /bin/dash
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18:32<themill>webmind_org: and I'll guess that the first line of your script is #!/bin/sh; as mc68040 said, change that to read #!/bin/bash
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18:33<webmind_org>first line is #1/bin/bash
18:33<webmind_org>#!/bin/bash
18:33<webmind_org>((dtot=$d1+$d2+$d3)) is not working
18:34<retrospectacus>how are you running it?
18:35<retrospectacus>how is it being run, exactly?
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18:40<webmind_org>let dtot=$d1+$d2+$d3 it was working on lenny, i start the script with cron
18:41<linuxxx>devil, i solved brcm80211 problem :)
18:41<mc68040>webmind_org: can you paste the line here?
18:41<retrospectacus>yes webmind_org: the line in crontab, let's see it
18:41<devil>linuxxx: what was needed?
18:42<linuxxx>devil, it was a really silly thing, there is a button in the keyboard to activate wifi, it was disabled.......................................
18:42<webmind_org>let dtot=$d1+$d2+$d3
18:42<juhaj>Why is it that when I turn swap on with swapon -a on a machine which had no swap previously, it suddenly swaps 800MB, but no more free memory appears (not in "free" nor in "buffers" or "cache"; i.e. there is no notable change on the second last line of "free")
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18:43<devil>linuxxx: shit happens
18:43<linuxxx>devil, now iwlist scan returns wifi connections but wicd no...
18:44<linuxxx>devil, followed this guide http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wicd-forXfce.2CLXDE.2CFluxbox addind root to netdev group and running wicd-client -n as root
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18:45<linuxxx>devil, because nodm starts with root user (i think)
18:45<devil>linuxxx: i never used wicd or any other gui for networking, sorry
18:45<linuxxx>devil, okk
18:45<linuxxx>anybody knows??
18:45<devil>linuxxx: running these apps as root is absolutely not recommended
18:45<webmind_org>in cron it's running the other lines are working........ but it wil not count with let and doesn't do -eq with if else command
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18:46<linuxxx>devil, i do it because nodm starts as root
18:46<devil>linuxxx: you need to tweak nodm
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18:46<linuxxx>devil, mmm im searchinggg
18:46<devil>linuxxx: thats no excuse :)
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18:50<webmind_org>touch test.sh
18:51<webmind_org>#!/bin/bash
18:51<webmind_org>a="1
18:51<webmind_org>b="2"
18:52<webmind_org>let total=$a+$b
18:52<webmind_org>echo $total
18:52<webmind_org>exit 0
18:53<webmind_org>and ofcourse a="1"
18:53<webmind_org>gives let: not found
18:54<themill>webmind_org: [23:35] <retrospectacus> how is it being run, exactly?
18:54<webmind_org>sh test.sh
18:54<retrospectacus>there you go
18:55*mc68040 omg
18:55<tharkun>webmind_org: try bash test.sh
18:55<cthuluh>webmind_org: if you have other questions you might ask freenode/#bash
18:55<retrospectacus>running by sh -> linked to dash, as previously determined
18:55<retrospectacus>webmind_org: or ./test.sh
18:55<mc68040>webmind_org: or: chmod 7555 test.sh; ./test.sh
18:55<themill>why use a shebang when you can run it from the interpreter directly
18:55<cthuluh>webmind_org: and, since your script is a bash script, it is ridiculous to call it "foo.sh"
18:55<mc68040>webmind_org: chmod 755 test.sh
18:56<webmind_org>thanks tharkun
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18:57<retrospectacus>webmind_org: think you mean to thank themill ...
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18:58<webmind_org>also themill
18:58<webmind_org>but why is sh changed in bash ?
18:59<webmind_org>i mean thanks to all debian users !
18:59<webmind_org>on lenny was sh good enough
18:59<themill>!dash
18:59<dpkg>dash (formerly Debian Almquist shell) is a <POSIX> compliant shell, smaller than <bash> and offers faster script execution (decreasing boot time). For new installations of Squeeze and later releases, dash will be the default /bin/sh. To switch old Squeeze installations: "dpkg-reconfigure dash". To check if your existing scripts will work OK with dash, use checkbashisms from <devscripts> and see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh
18:59<themill>webmind_org: no, on lenny, you were just pretending that sh was bash, but that isn't necessarily so.
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19:00<webmind_org>Okay,
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19:02<mc68040>webmind_org: there are many shells around, bash, dash, ash, zsh, ksh, ... all with different capabilities, thats why i prefer to use shebang and make the script executable
19:04<webmind_org>As a thanks http://www.beatgate.com/AnewVisionofLife.mp3 for the truth only....... thank you all !
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19:06<webmind_org>for the house fans http://www.beatgate.com/Mix2009.mp3 See you later and thanks again.
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19:14<opticon>can someone help me figure out what to check for in logs last day or so debian 5 randomly reboots itself
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19:20<opticon>cpu temps are fine along with hdd temps pulled it and checked with seatools
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19:21<webmind_org>themill like chmod -x test.sh
19:21<Knirch>sid went poof? I'm getting Hash sum mismatch when trying to update package lists
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19:22<Knirch>nm, seems to be the se mirror, fi ones works just fine
19:22<retrospectacus>webmind_org, chmod +x
19:22<webmind_org>ok
19:23<retrospectacus>webmind_org, you are adding the executable bit
19:23<webmind_org>that's good
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20:10<avance0295>is ther anyone connected
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20:10<retrospectacus>hundreds
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20:40<MrA>hello, someone can help me with this WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/sound, it will be ignored in a future release, anyone have any idea, i try this : ls -l /etc/modprobe.d/ didnt work.
20:41<retrospectacus>that's just a warning, you can ignore it.
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20:45<sney>MrA: it's a warning. most warnings, including that one, can safely be ignored. it's just there for developers really
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20:47<MrA>retrospectacus: thank you for answer
20:47<MrA>sney:thank you for answer
20:48<retrospectacus>hope you are enjoying Debian, MrA
20:48<MrA>ohh ya
20:48<MrA>have a sound problem too
20:48<sney>huh, my eyes just filtered retrospectacus's answer as part of the join/part spam
20:49<retrospectacus>hmmph!!
20:50<sney>sorry, no offense intended
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20:50<retrospectacus>heheh
20:52*oOarthurOo ping
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21:47<tetris>does anybody know how to mount the squeeze image on my hard drive so i won't have to use the cd-rom?
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21:57<qboster>hi, all, how can I sync installer image to local mirror? which like this: debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64
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22:12<twb>What's that tool that acts like server-side includes, but does it in a "make www" fashion, i.e. you end up with static files?
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22:28<theocrite>Hi.
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22:29<theocrite>How can I tell grub2 to search for my lvm volume groups on /dev/md1 rather than the old /dev/md0? I (physically) removed the previous disk and I would like to boot on the new ones.
22:29<twb>theocrite: I don't think vgscan is device-specific by default
22:29<theocrite>The RAID is ok. I can mount it from a live CD. I just can't find how to boot on it now.
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22:30<theocrite>twb: I suppose. But it's not working anymore. "Volume group "vg" not found". How can I make grub be aware of vg?
22:31<twb>Uh, your */boot* filesystem is on an LVM volume?
22:31<theocrite>Nope.
22:31<theocrite>Everything else is.
22:31<twb>Then grub doesn't know anything about lvm and doesn't need to
22:31<twb>The *ramdisk* does.
22:31<theocrite>Ok then how can I make ramdisk handle this then? :)
22:31<twb>When you boot, it should give up and drop you in the ramdisk's recovery shell.
22:32<theocrite>Yes.
22:32<twb>In there, check /proc/partitions lists all your disks, /proc/mdstat lists the arrays, and "lvm vgscan -ay" activates all vgs
22:32<theocrite>I have a "initramfs" shell.
22:32<twb>Yes, initramfs = the ramdisk
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22:35<theocrite>/proc/partitions seems ok. But /proc/mdstats displays "raid 1", which is the old configuration. It should be a RAID 5 now.
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22:35<nutterpc>how can i call uname -r inside a Makefile?
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22:36<twb>theocrite: OK, so you need to fix raid, not lvm
22:36<theocrite>So I guess I have to make ramdisk aware of the new raid configuration, but I have no clue of how to do this. Especially from a "initramfs" shell.
22:36<twb>theocrite: probably this means editing /etc/mdadm.conf on the root filesystem (from a live CD) and running "update-initramfs -u -k all" to get the new mdadm.conf copied ito the ramdisk
22:36<theocrite>Thanks, I'll try.
22:36<twb>You could probably do it directly from initramfs, but it's easier to use a live cd
22:37<theocrite>I already updated mdadm.conf, but I didn't know about update-initramfs.
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22:37<twb>IIRC mdadm.conf is copied into the ramdisk
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22:38<twb>That or it does mdadm --assemble --scan... I can't remember
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22:45<theocrite>Great, the rescue mode doesn't have a "update-initramfs" tool. :/
22:47<sney>you can chroot, maybe
22:47<theocrite>Yes, indeed, with chroot /target, that's better.
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22:47<theocrite>Also I can edit mdadm.conf.
22:48<theocrite>And do blkid
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22:49<kop>theocrite: In fact I think you _must_ chroot for the tools to know where everything is.
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22:50<twb>Yes
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22:50<twb>rescue mode these days should offer "shell in target" and "shell in rescue environment" as specific options
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22:53<kop>twb: Golly. That'd be sane. I had another thought. Is there any reason why debian-live could not have virtualbox images for various OSs? (I'm VM clueless.)
22:53<twb>kop: because vbox blows?
22:53<sney>heh
22:53<twb>Oh, you mean "live.debian.net should have vbox files as well as .iso and .img formats"?
22:53<kop>twb: No alternatives?
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22:54<sney>once cpu virtualization is really in the majority, xen or kvm or something I guess
22:54<kop>twb: Yes. (I think.) Something that you can put on say, a usb stick, will run when inserted into another OS, and will run debian inside a VM.
22:54<sney>might be worth experimenting with, anyway
22:54<twb>kop: I dunno about vbox, but kvm can just take any of the existing images that live.debian.net hosts, and boot those
22:55<kop>twb: But you'd have to have already setup kvm, and it wouldn't be cross platform would it?
22:55<kop>It'd be nice to hand out something other than a bootable image, because people don't know how to boot their boxes.
22:55<twb>So you want to have a USB key that, instead of booting a live image, would boot a live image that runs vbox and then boots debian inside vbox?
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22:56<kop>twb: No, they should be able to continue to run their installed os. (Generally the unspeakable one.)
22:56<twb>kop: so you want it to have vbox binaries for every conceivable combination of hardware architecture, ABI, and OS?
22:56<kop>twb: The installed os runs vbox, which runs debian.
22:57<twb>But you said it needs to work without the user having vbox set up already
22:57<kop>twb: Not necessairly, just the common ones.
22:57<twb>Debian is the only common one! Everyone else is stuck in the past
22:58<twb>Even if you restricted yourself to OS X and Windows, you'd need like twenty different versions of the vbox package
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22:58<theocrite>Well, I'm confused. It's working, but it took at lesat 2 minutes before activating md1. How is that possible?
22:58<kop>twb: :-O Why's that. Different vbox for each version of each os is required?
22:59<kop>theocrite: Wasn't there something in the release notes about that, or am I thinking of something else?
22:59<twb>kop: well, OS X needs at least POWER32, POWER64, IA32, IA64, and you can double that if their ABI changed
22:59<twb>Er, s/IA64/AMD64/
23:00<kop>twb: You could probably get away with just the latter 2.
23:00<sney>or just ppc32/ia32, since they also run on their 64-bit variants. though, memory usage...
23:00<twb>I still don't see why live.debian.net would be endorsing Oracle and Apple/Microsoft products when they could just fucking reboot
23:00<theocrite>kop: You mean squeeze? Cause I'm not using it. I'm using testing.
23:01<sney>the differences between squeeze and wheezy at this point are mostly academic
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23:01<sney>they haven't even dropped a kernel yet
23:01<theocrite>That's true.
23:01<kop>twb: I'd like to be able to deploy services and programs to folks who _won't_ reboot because they live there -- demonstrating the value of having something else/introducing the concept that there are alternatives.
23:02<twb>kop: nothing stops you rolling your own such images
23:02<theocrite>Ok now it's rebooting.
23:02*theocrite is more and more worried
23:03<kop>twb: I'm actually directing people to pay other people to do this, but it seems generally useful. The images I'm producing are rather narrowly focused.
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23:05<kop>twb: (My images run postgresql and a web front end available to the local box for extended travel in a remote part of Africa.)
23:05<twb>That certainly sounds narrowly focused :P
23:05<Nemoder>I think I'd be more concerned about the host environment having problems that would make the demonstration rather lackluster
23:07<kop>Nemoder: I'd think most activity involving write access would suck. But as I said, I'm pretty clueless when it comes to VMs.
23:08<Nemoder>It's not so much the technology as the environment. does the host have software slowing the system down? broken drivers? malware?
23:08<kop>Nemoder: Short bursts might work if there was buffering, which brings back sney's concern about memory allocation. Enough, I think I'm drifting offtopic.
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23:09*kop has obviously not put enough fire into twb's belly to get him to do the work. :)
23:09<twb>because 14:53 <twb> kop: because vbox blows?
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23:11<kop>twb: Perhaps it will take waiting until it blows less, because I don't see an alternative that will "just work" without installation. Installation kinda defeats the point.
23:11<Nemoder>a poor demonstration could be worse than none at all. I'd look for alternatives like a separate machine to showcase
23:12<twb>kop: for that see "[...] just fucking reboot"
23:12<twb>And I doubt vbox will ever blow less, because Oracle owns it.
23:12<kop>twb: I noticed that. :-P
23:14<Nemoder>even something like vnc into a remote machine running native might be better
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23:47<heinzes>I've installed mysql (squeeze). dpkg asked on install for admin password, but I could not set/type any. also dpkg-reconfigure does not set admin password. Am I supposed to create an mysql admin account myself?
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23:51<jmad980>heinzes: http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=60933&postcount=2 might be what you want
23:51*jmad980 forgets how it's setup under debian
23:51<jmad980>;/
23:53<heinzes>jmad980: thanks, but I tried that, it does not work, because no root acount was created. all it does is saying: 0 entries changed.
23:53<jmad980>hmm
23:53<jmad980>that's rude
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23:54<heinzes>I know, I'm looking for a solution to that for a while now, but I can't find anybody/thing that give me a hint that I understand
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