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---Logopened Wed Feb 16 00:00:09 2011
00:00<eric>is anyone here good at bash scripting that could help my script really quick?
00:00<retrospectacus>eric, probably, or you could ask #bash on freenode
00:01<retrospectacus>kop: I don't see anything about ulimit in that readme files
00:01*MrFrood - real nerds use ksh :|
00:02<retrospectacus>s/s$//
00:02<kop>Real nerds use dash to ensure posix compatiblity.
00:02<kop>retrospectacus: And you don't want to raise it for everybody, right?
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00:03<MrFrood>ksh93 has a posix compatabe mode
00:03<kop>MrFrood: So does bash, but it will still execute it's own extentions without error.
00:03<retrospectacus>kop: don't really care whether for everyone or just mysql server
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00:03*MrFrood thinks there should of been an "l" in his last comment somewhere...
00:04<kop>retrospectacus: I've the feeling that the right way involves pam. There's a pam_ulimit module.
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00:04<kop>retrospectacus: And IIRC the default pam configs have been modularized so you can extend them.
00:05<MrFrood>kop: I guess we should all really use osh for sh compatability then?
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00:05<kop>MrFrood: Could be. Tell me more.
00:05<retrospectacus>I read something about that and pam was supposed to use /etc/security/limits.conf but it wasn't for for me for some reason
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00:06<kop>retrospectacus: Does the bts say anything about that?
00:06<MrFrood>osh is a port of the origanal sh for modern *nix systems
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00:07<MrFrood>the o in the name stands for "old"
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00:08<kop>retrospectacus: In any case I'd investigate dropping pam_ulimit into one of those pam session directories (uh, I think). By the time you figure out which to put it in and the right knobs to frob you'll probably know how to just change the ulimit for mysql. (Although there may be a setting in there already that's frobbable without understanding much.)
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00:11<retrospectacus>the machine is also an openvz guest, could that have some effect?
00:11<kop>retrospectacus: I'm clueless.
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00:12<retrospectacus>no problem, thanks :)
00:12<retrospectacus>this bts is not behaving
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00:12<elias2>hola!
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00:13<elias2>alguien que hable español?
00:14<kop>!es
00:14<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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01:19<rigved>i have asked this on freenode, but no reply yet...hi everyone...i am installing debian squeeze via the dhcp-pxe-tftp method. the installer gets the /dists/stable/Release file successfully. but after that, it gets stuck. the error is /dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Release file is unsigned. can any one tell me what's going wrong here? i am using the debian 6 dvd 1 file (which i downloaded via the official torrent) for the installation.
01:20<sney>hmm
01:21<sney>if it were me, my first step would be to drop over to a tty and see if that's *really* what's holding it up, via dmesg
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01:23<rigved>sney: that's the error which i saw on pressing Alt-Ctrl-F4, the log terminal. should i run some commands in tty2 or tty3?
01:24<sney>I always forget about the default log terminal in the installer. no, but was there anything else interesting before that unsigned error? checksum mismatches?
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01:27<rigved>sney: i don't there were any. but i'll still check again. but i'll have to reboot this machine. so'll come online on my pc then. give me a few minutes
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01:31<sney>hmm, security updates for login and passwd
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01:42<sney>rigved: another question would be the strength of the wifi connection you're using for the install. if wired, disregard
01:43<sney>also, check bugs.debian.org under the installer sections for complaints of the same nature
01:43<rigved>sney: wired
01:43<rigved>sney: hmmm. ok. i'll check it. one moment. i'm booting again into this
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01:44<rigved>ohh...so irc.debian.org and irc.oftc.net is the same.
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01:45<yuiop>hi, I'm having trouble mounting a SDHC memory after installing Squeeze. I have tried formatting vfat, ext2, ntfs, ext3 and still cant' mount it. Here is http://pastebin.com/A92mZvZt the error message i'm getting.
01:46<sney>udf and iso? weird. are you specifying the filesystem type to mount?
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01:49<yuiop>I havnt tried that, I'm thinking it should auto detect fs and mount it?
01:49<sney>it *should*, but try it manually to see where the problem is
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01:55<Guest1533>sney: ok. sorry. it's not the dists/stable/bianry-i386/Release file. that is fetched fine. it says that 'downlaod-installer' was selected. then, a wget 404 server error. then it says the Release file in the root of the dvd image is unsigned.
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01:56<rigved>sney: ^^
01:56<yuiop>manually mounting it with vfat works, where should set it so that it will auto mount? I'm using gnome
01:57<sney>yuiop: not sure, but it seems that gnome is assuming /dev/sdb to be an optical drive. I don't use gnome so I don't know where to look, but that's what I'd be looking for
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01:58<retrospectacus>check fstab
01:58<rigved>sney: and now that i checked the mounted dvd image, there is no Release file available in the root folder of the dvd image...all the release files are under /dists/stable and its sub-folders
01:59<sney>rigved: hrm, check your configuration. it shouldn't be looking in the root of the dvd image
02:00<rigved>sney: ok.
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02:04<retrospectacus>yuiop: check /etc/fstab for /dev/sdb1 or whatever your card is
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02:21<mom>will AMD Radeon HD 6310 work in debian squeeze? im thinking of getting a lenovo x120e
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02:23<cd>Hi guys! I don't want sshd to authenticate users against winbind. This setup seems to be imposed after upgrade from lenny to 6.0. How can I remove winbind from sshd authentication schema? Any hint is welcome. Thanks.
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02:50<bogdan>hello. just install debian. i have problem - i want to delete gnome-bluethooth but it whants to delete instead ALL Gnome
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02:51<bogdan>please help me because instead of gnome-bluetooth i want to install blueman
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02:54<EagleRock>bogdan: that's because gnome-bluetooth is in the gnome metapackage
02:54<jm_>try aptitude why gnome-bluethooth
02:54<syndicate>p gnome-desktop-environment Depends gnome-bluetooth (>= 2.30)
02:54<syndicate>perhaps that's why
02:54<jm_>must be
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02:55<bogdan>so were is solution?
02:56<syndicate>i'm not really sure what to do in this situation other than manually marking needed packages so that it won't be removed
02:56<EagleRock>well, I'm not entirely sure installing blueman with gnome-bluetooth still installed will cause conflict
02:57<EagleRock>I haven;'t used the packages
02:57<EagleRock>but this forum thread might be of help if it does: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=39045
02:58<bogdan>thanks a lot. i will try to use both of them at first
02:58<EagleRock>bogdan: that'd probably the cleanest solution, as you won't have to start managing the gnome metapackages
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03:03<retrospectacus>how do I use my usb stick as the apt repository?
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03:04<retrospectacus>the usb stick has the Squeeze DVD 1 on it
03:05<retrospectacus>from which I just installed
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03:07<EagleRock>retrospectacus: it's not still in your sources.list?
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03:09<retrospectacus>the line is there but the url is cdrom:[Debian ...etc.
03:09<retrospectacus>which is not working with it mounted normally
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03:13<EagleRock>retrospectacus: oh, right. add it as file:/path/to/usb
03:13<EagleRock>retrospectacus: or you could just mount the USB drive to /cdrom :-)
03:14<EagleRock>is this a permanent repo?
03:14<EagleRock>or just to install some initial packages?
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03:16<retrospectacus>I mounted it at /media/cdrom
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03:17<retrospectacus>just need to get some network operational
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03:17<retrospectacus>I'll try file:/
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03:18<EagleRock>retrospectacus: you can also try apt-cdrom
03:18<EagleRock>and point to your mount point
03:19<retrospectacus>yes it is working! Thanks
03:19<EagleRock>retrospectacus: good :-)
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03:27<NewtoDebian>how do i change the resolution of debian 5?
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03:29<EagleRock>!tell NewtoDebian about resolution
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03:30<NewtoDebian>does nothing
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03:31<EagleRock>you tried xrandr?
03:31<NewtoDebian>i dont know how
03:31<NewtoDebian>im a noob to linux
03:31<ant_>Anyone good with vservers? After upgrade to squeeze I cant start a vserver, I get "vsysctl: open("."): Permission denied" but other vserver started fine
03:32<ant_>both squeeze vserver guests
03:33<EagleRock>NewtoDebian: are you running GNOME or KDE?
03:33<NewtoDebian>gnome
03:34<EagleRock>there should be an option in the administration menus
03:34<EagleRock>I believe it's called "monitor"
03:34<EagleRock>I use KDE, so I'm not 100% sure
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03:34<NewtoDebian>nope nothing under that name there
03:34<EagleRock>system > preferences > screen resolution
03:35<NewtoDebian>found it
03:35<NewtoDebian>yes ty
03:36<NewtoDebian>okay
03:36<NewtoDebian>now that thats done
03:36<NewtoDebian>i need to run a cd but i need WINE for it correct?
03:36<EagleRock>WINE is for running windows applications
03:36<retrospectacus>what's "run a cd"?
03:37<EagleRock>mounting your CD should happen auomatically via GNOME
03:37<NewtoDebian>well like i see the cd on the desktop
03:38<NewtoDebian>i open it and theres a bunch of files
03:38<NewtoDebian>i click the installer exe
03:38<NewtoDebian>and then it just opens more files
03:38<EagleRock>I'm assuming this is a CD that holds a windows program?
03:39<NewtoDebian>yes
03:39<EagleRock>yes, you need WINE
03:39<EagleRock>!tell NewtoDebian about WINE
03:39<NewtoDebian>but im having trouble figuring out how to install it
03:40<NewtoDebian>does it HAVE to be a binary download?
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03:42<NewtoDebian>can u tell me how to install wine on debian?
03:43<retrospectacus>NewtoDebian: apt-get install wine
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03:44<NewtoDebian>apt get?
03:44<NewtoDebian>ah
03:44<NewtoDebian>alrighty
03:44<NewtoDebian>kk
03:44<NewtoDebian>ill tyr it brb
03:44<retrospectacus>or install it through System-Administration-Thingy
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03:47<NewtoDebian>k its installing
03:48<retrospectacus>have you read in the Wine AppDB about the program you are installing?
03:48<NewtoDebian>yup
03:48<NewtoDebian>its got a gold or platinum or whatever it is
03:48<NewtoDebian>ok so wine is installed
03:49<NewtoDebian>now how do i run the cd with wine
03:49<NewtoDebian>i dont see a right click option for wine
03:49<retrospectacus>run in terminal: wine explorer
03:49<NewtoDebian>ooh
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03:49<NewtoDebian>i run the install.erxe with wine
03:49<retrospectacus>and browse to the cdrom thru wine's "explorer"
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03:50<NewtoDebian>ok but now
03:50<retrospectacus>there should be a right-click option though
03:50<NewtoDebian>when i accept the agreement
03:50<NewtoDebian>it says missing file win32-loader
03:50<NewtoDebian>and im staring right at it
03:50<NewtoDebian>its right next to the installer exe
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03:51<retrospectacus>you will have to look elsewhere for assistance
03:53<retrospectacus>perhaps the wineHQ
03:53<retrospectacus>or in #wine on freenode irc
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03:55<NewtoDebian>i got it figured out now
03:55<NewtoDebian>ty guys vm
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03:56<phonex01>hi guys plz i need help
03:56<phonex01>anyone there ?
03:56<phonex01>how can i use outside proxy while i'm forced to use a local proxy ?
03:58<retrospectacus>set your system to use the outside proxy
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04:00<phonex01>are you sure ?
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04:00<phonex01>the local proxy is inside my university
04:00<retrospectacus>no, why?
04:00<phonex01>i tried that but it does not working
04:01<retrospectacus>how did you try it and how does it not working?
04:01<phonex01>i set the outside proxy on the system proxy
04:01<phonex01>and the local one in the firefox
04:01<phonex01>but nothing !!!
04:01<NewtoDebian>#WINE
04:01<phonex01>and i do vise-versa
04:01<phonex01>and the same
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04:02<phonex01>i asked somone he said you must use somthing called " SSH Tunneling "
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04:04<retrospectacus>ssh -D8008 outside and then set localhost:8008 as your socks5 proxy in FF
04:04<phonex01>what ?
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04:04<phonex01>oh ok
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04:05<phonex01>8008 is the port for outside server ?
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04:05<phonex01>you mean put in terminal ssh-D port ip ?
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04:06<retrospectacus>just about
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04:06<EagleRock>phonex01: ssh -D8008 user@server.domain.com
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04:07<retrospectacus>phonex01, sorry 8008 is the local port that will be the proxy server. on your localhost
04:07<retrospectacus>the remote port is still 22 ssh default
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04:31<mrcl>Hey, I've got a question. I have new external disc connected with USB port. It all worked great, until now. When I plug the cable in, I get this notice: "Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with:
04:31<mrcl>Error opening '/dev/sdb1': Permission denied
04:31<mrcl>Failed to mount '/dev/sdb1': Permission denied
04:31<mrcl>Please check '/dev/sdb1' and the ntfs-3g binary permissions,
04:31<mrcl>and the mounting user ID. More explanation is provided at
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04:34<mrcl>Hey, I've got a question. I have new external disc connected with USB port. It all worked great, until now. When I plug the cable in, I get this notice: "Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with:Error opening '/dev/sdb1': Permission deniedFailed to mount '/dev/sdb1': Permission denied,Please check '/dev/sdb1' and the ntfs-3g binary permissions,and the mounting user ID. More explanation is provided athttp://ntfs-3g.org/support.htm
04:34<mrcl>l#unprivileged". Can anyone tell me what shall I do to fix it?
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04:40<rjm>hi, the volatile repository for lenny will still stay active, right?
04:41<babilen>yes
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04:42<babilen>you probably know this, but it is a good idea to uprade to squeeze in the next months. so why not now? :)
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04:43<rjm>thx. yeah, I will upgrade soon :)
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05:00<deux>good morning
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05:00<deux>i have a couple of questions that i'd like to understand
05:00<deux>1. how can i tell if my hardware is supported on debian correctly?
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05:01<deux>cause i've got a new computer and although it's running fine, i'm not sure i have 3D etc.
05:02<deux>anyone here?
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05:07<jm_>glxinfo shall enlighten you
05:07<devil>deux: if your hardware works, your fine :)
05:08<devil>deux: glxinfo | grep direct should give back YES
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05:09<deux>didn't get the command i should use in terminal
05:10<deux>the thing is - i have dual GPUs and not sure which one is working, how to switch between them
05:10<deux>also - i've heard the ATI drivers are problomatic...
05:11<babilen>deux: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (it basically comes down to the kernel version) + why not just try a live cd?
05:12<babilen>deux: the last thing i've read about optimus dual setups indicated that you more or less have to decide which one to use and disable the other ... no live switching. But that might have changed.
05:13<deux>ok
05:13<deux>i think all works fine
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05:13<deux>next question - does the current debian kernel (2.6.32) is as good as the latest kernel (2.6.37). something to do with patches etc.
05:14<babilen>define "good"
05:14<babilen>it is patched security wise -- there are differences in the feature set though
05:14<deux>well - i've heard that the latest patch has drivers, and diff bug fixes and system speed ups
05:14<babilen>deux: If this is indeed a problem for you you can install a newer kernel
05:15<deux>how would i do that?
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05:16<babilen>lots of different options. right now I would install the kernel package from experimental. but you can use make-kpkg to compile it (if supported, have to check for .37) or follow http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage
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05:17<babilen>!tell deux -about make-kpkg
05:17<babilen>but the .37 is in experimental and a > .32 kernel will eventually be uploaded to sid and you can install it from there.
05:18<deux>ok, so basically wait
05:18<deux>how long does it take usually for a kernel to come down to stable? or does it change?
05:19<babilen>deux: Yes and no. Keep in mind that the versions in *stable* releases do not change. (hence the name "stable") -- It will just become easier to install a newer kernel. Installing it from experimental *is* quite easy, but the *experimental* in the name has a reason and I wouldn't run this on a production server.
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05:20<babilen>!stable
05:20<dpkg>[stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable
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05:21<vit>hello
05:21<webmind_org>Hi
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05:21<vit>shuo zhongwen
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05:22<webmind_org>8-P
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05:24<babilen>vit: ni shuo yingwen ba!
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05:25<deux>btw - does debian check and installs the required Hardware on your computer or does it install everything and then picks from that?
05:25<webmind_org>check and installs
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05:27<webmind_org>Only video hardware comes with installing gdm xserver-xorg
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05:28<webmind_org>and 3d you need to install yourself
05:28<deux>how to do that?
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05:29<Torsten_W>deux, do we know your hardware?
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05:29<webmind_org>how to do what ?
05:30<deux>how to install the video hardware, is there a special procedure?
05:30<deux>it's ATI radeon
05:30<deux>just go to their website and download the driver?
05:30<webmind_org>You need to configure /etc/X11 config
05:30<webmind_org>only for 3d acceleration
05:31<deux>is it something a noob can do?
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05:31<webmind_org>yep , there are many here to help you.
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05:32<fnmueller>!ati
05:32<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net).
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05:32<Remmaze>Hi guys, im taking lots of pictures, so i was wondering, on ubuntu is there any application that i can use, so that each time i snap a picture, it will go straight into my laptop? I will connect my camera via USB ofcourse, anyone?
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05:34<rigved>dpkg: tell Remmaze about f-spot
05:34<deux>how do i use the bot to tell me about the diff things?
05:34<Torsten_W>deux, you know, there are more than one ati chipsets in the wild?
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05:35<deux>yeah, sorry - it's ATI radeon mobility HD5470
05:35<rigved>Rammaze: also, this is the channel for Debian. for Ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net
05:35<Torsten_W>then use the crappy fglrx
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05:35<babilen>Remmaze: The default is (AFAIK) shotwell, it is also available in Debian. Which distribution are you using?
05:36<deux>why crapy? and can i use a good driver?
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05:36<babilen>!tell deux -about radeon
05:36<Remmaze>ubuntu 10.04
05:37<fnmueller>deux: it's an ati, that's why it's crappy ;-) besides that the fglrx driver is proprietary ati crap
05:37<babilen>deux: But it is much easier to work with you on this once you have debian on this. Could you give me "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" please
05:37<hstrutz>hi. why isn't there an alternative to xpdf in squeeze/stable? (somebody knows?)
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05:37<Torsten_W>deux, radeon drive rmay work, but 3d is *!()
05:37<babilen>Remmaze: This is the Debian support channel. You want #ubuntu over at irc.freenode.net (or install Debian and get support here)
05:38<babilen>Torsten_W: What are you talking about?
05:38<deux>babilen, i had problems with debian (on my video) so i use ubuntu, but i want to go back... could you help me now, and i'll do it again once i install debian (this weekend?)
05:38<Remmaze>oh sorry man, i didnt realized i was a wrong channel, my bad...
05:38<Torsten_W>babilen, hd 54xx card and radeon driver
05:38<hstrutz>(I hear somebody else is messing around with the open radeon drive, since the fglrx module is gone. Another low point about new squeeze...)
05:39<rigved>hi everyone. can anyone tell me the boot parameter for the Debian squeeze installation, which is equivalent to 'linux askmethod' of rpm distros like Fedora and CentOS?
05:39<babilen>Remmaze: No problem. My answer till stands (shotwell) -- Have a nice day and ask further questions in #ubuntu. My personal recommendation is to install Debian though ;)
05:40<babilen>rigved: what does that do?
05:40<Remmaze>haha...ok
05:40<rigved>babilen: well it allows one to decide how to boot the installation media, by cdrom, internet or a local nfs share
05:41<Remmaze>ciao!
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05:41<deux>so, is it possible to guide me through the steps, or is it better to first have debian on my machine?
05:42<babilen>rigved: ok, lets get this straight. where do you provide that option?
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05:42<jm_>syslinux promp I bet
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05:42<ras>hiiiiiiii
05:42<babilen>jm_: Of a non-existing installation?
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05:43<babilen>ras: a single "i" typically suffices and does not hurt our ears :)
05:43<ras>who r u
05:43<ras>and from where
05:43<rigved>babilen: well in CentOS it asks that on the boot screen, like the Debian screen of "install, advanced options, alternate desktop environments etc".
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05:43<jm_>babilen: yup, when booting installation medium
05:44<ras>how to connect 2 ubuntu system on lan
05:44<babilen>rigved: You mean when you boot the installation cd you can decide not to use the cd you just booted from, but install from a nfs share and/or from a (trusted?) location on the internet?
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05:45<rigved>babilen: no, in this case, one has booted from a pxe, so one can decide what to do
05:45<babilen>well, i am not aware of that for debian and frankly don't see the point -- you've just booted the cd!
05:45<ras>hi
05:45<ras>hi
05:45<babilen>s/cd/pxe then ..
05:46<babilen>rigved: I have the feeling I misunderstand you ... this is not about the installer, but about the packages, right?
05:46<babilen>I mean, why use an installer option to bring up the same installer from somewhere else ?
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05:46<deux>can anyone guide me about installing the 3D on ATI?
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05:47<babilen>!tell deux -about radeon
05:47<rigved>babilen: my problem is that even though i have setup everything properly for a pxe-tftp install, the netboot installer gets stuck before it boots from the DVD which i have mounted on a different machine connected to the same lan
05:47<babilen>deux: Install those packages, done. If you want fglrx -- /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner squeeze
05:48<rigved>babilen: also, the machine on which i want to install does not have a cdrom
05:48<babilen>ah, ok.
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05:48<deux>does that install the open source drivers?
05:49<rigved>babilen: this is why i was asking about the various ways of making this local netboot work. can you help me with it?
05:49<babilen>rigved: Hmm, I always used PXE to bring up the netinstall ...
05:50<babilen>we are talking about http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s05.html.en, right?
05:50<babilen>but i have to leave soon ...
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05:51<rigved>babilen: yes. i used 4.5.1.1 pxe with dhcp
05:51<rigved>babilen: i'll tell you what i have setup
05:51<deux>well, thank you guys
05:51<deux>have a good day
05:51<babilen>rigved: ok, and the debian installer comes up. what is the problem with the dvd?
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05:52<jm_>are you using mounted DVD via FTP/HTTP?
05:52<rigved>babilen, jm_: yes, mounted via http
05:52<rigved>is that a problem?
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05:53<babilen>rigved: not sure, never used that setup. just netinstall + local mirror (apt-cacher-ng)
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05:55<rigved>babilen, jm_: in the choose debian mirror option, i entered the details of my web server, which has the dvd mounted. then it's able to get the Release file from dists/main/binary-i386/ But after that it stops and says that the Release file is unsigned.
05:55<babilen>ah !
05:56<babilen>You might want to setup a real local mirror, either with some proxy (apt-cacher-ng) or take a look at dpkg-scanpackage
05:56<rigved>babilen: the md5sum of the dvd was fine, downloaded via torrent
05:56<rigved>babilen: the webserver is on my laptop in the same network
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05:56<rigved>there is only one switch in between the two
05:57<babilen>rigved: The problem with the signatures could be solved with "debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true" which might actually be worth a try first
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05:57<rigved>babilen: wow. something that make sense! but how do i do that?
05:57<screenn>where can I download cd images for oldstable distibution?
05:58<gsimmons>dpkg: tell screenn -about install lenny
05:58<babilen>AFAIK the problem is that the CDs don't contain the Release.gpg (but that might be outdated information) -- Just give that option where you specify the installer (expert, graphical, ..) hang on, i'll google/find documentation
05:59<rigved>babilen: sorry, this the first time i'm doing this, so don't know how to do this. really thank you for your time! :)
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06:00<babilen>rigved: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s03.html.en
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06:00<babilen>rigved: I never used that setup and would still recommend using a cacher/proxy ... How many machines are you installing?
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06:02<rigved>babilen: just mine. this is actually for a linux workshop but the professor is using CentOS and Fedora. as i am used to debain, i want to work on it. also, there is not internet connection in that lab, at present (new lab) maybe it will be set up later
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06:03<babilen>ah, i see ... well, "allow_unauthenticated=true" should work
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06:04<rigved>babilen: thanks al million! i have been at this for some hours now :)
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06:04<babilen>so, it is working?
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06:41<rigved>babilen: wow. it worked! sorry it took me some time to figure out how to enter boot parameter :). thanks again for your help. with this, i'm sure that i have learned more than those other people who'll be using CentOS. ;)
06:42<babilen>wonderful :) And you definitely learned a lot, can't say if you learned more, but well - it is no competition :)
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07:01<rigved>babilen: defenitely not a competition but i have certainly learned a thing or two about dhcp, pxe and tftp via http. :) thanks again. i was at this since yesterday eve
07:01<rigved>bye everyone
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07:19<winsen>hello, help i am newuser of debian squeeze, i am vaving probleme to connect wifi
07:20<winsen>can you help me?
07:20<winsen>excuse me my english is not well
07:20<jm_>!wifi
07:20<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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07:21<winsen>Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection
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07:22<jm_>so do: /msg dpkg ipw4965
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07:22<winsen>jm>hello thanks for answer, i'll test right now
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07:23<bamatya>hi
07:23<jm_>winsen: no worries
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07:24<winsen>thank you, so it said no foulder of this type
07:25<SynrG>btw, s2e1 is done
07:25<SynrG>ECHAN
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07:26<winsen>i tested to folow this link"http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi#Installation" but unfortunly it didn't work
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07:27<SynrG>winsen: works for me
07:28<SynrG>are you saying the link doesn't work or the instructions there don't work?
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07:29<winsen>synrg>i mean that i couldn't be till the end cause it said no foulder found every time!!
07:30<winsen>can you tell how , cause as i said i am new user with debian sorry
07:31<SynrG>i don't understand you
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07:31<SynrG>does the URL work?
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07:31<winsen>ok, i am trying to explain you
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07:32<SynrG>if you are following those instructions and something doesn't work ...
07:32<winsen>yes it works, but i can not folow all instructions till the end, cause there's something missed
07:32<SynrG>say exactly what the error is
07:33<SynrG>if you don't say exactly what your problem is, we can't help
07:33<SynrG>!ask
07:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
07:33<SynrG>hmm, that's not exactly it
07:33<SynrG>!smart questions
07:33<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
07:34<jm_>you should mention the real problem, not "somethign doesn't work" - that's absolutely useless for everyone else
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07:34<winsen>ok, i downloadeded 2 packages
07:35<winsen>for" deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free
07:35<winsen>it saind me no foulder found
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07:36<winsen>it said me no foulder
07:36<jm_>once again, paste the entire error, use a paste site if it's more than 2 lines (/msg dpkg paste)
07:36<jm_>and include the commands you run etc.
07:36*themill predicts the command "deb" was run
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07:37<jm_>ahh heh
07:37<winsen>i ok but it's in french, i paste you that
07:37<jm_>winsen: Add a "non-free" component to /etc/apt/sources.list, for example means that you should use a text editor to edit this file and change it accordingly
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07:39<winsen>bash: deb : commande introuvable
07:40*babilen hands themill a cookie
07:40<jm_>10 points to themill
07:40<themill>\o/
07:40<winsen><jm_>ok iam sorry i didn't understand,
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07:40<jm_>winsen: you still don't understand my explanation or?
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07:41<winsen>no i understand what you said , but i don't know how do i edit this one?
07:41<jm_>do you know how to use a text editor?
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07:43<winsen>no sorry, i tried one time and i never test after
07:44<winsen>can you help me to do it please?
07:45<jm_>I think it's better if you ask in a french channel
07:45<jm_>!fr
07:45<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
07:45<babilen>jm_: haha
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07:50<winsen>jm>i have tested but unfortunaly no answer in french channel
07:52<jm_>winsen: put your sources.list on some pastebin site
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07:55<And1>Hey folks, got a problem full-upgrading my sid... seems the problem is the nvidia-driver. Could I use nouveau yet, maybe? Or should I wait till the new nvidia driver is released or any other solution?
07:55<winsen>jm>can you guive the link please for fostbin site?
07:55<jm_>winsen: /msg dpkg paste
07:56<SynrG>And1: if you're using the nvidia driver, i assume you need 3d acceleration?
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07:57<winsen>ok thank you
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08:00<And1>SynrG: I'm not sure if I stell need it... by now I'm just watching movies and doing other stuff which definitely doesn't need 3d acceleration, I think.
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08:08<sulumar>Greetings
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08:11<SynrG>And1: try nouveau, then
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08:11<SynrG>And1: long term, i think it's a better choice. eventually the 3d stuff will be there.
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08:12<And1>SynrG: Ok. I won't run into problems now, when installing nouveau? Is there some kind of how to for installing/using nouveau (changen xorg.conf etc...)?
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08:13<SynrG>nvidia -> nouveau? i don't know.
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08:14<SynrG>i asked dpkg bot a couple of questions about it but nothing jumped out at me as being that kind of doc (mind you, i didn't look very hard :)
08:14<sahko>are there backported stuff in the kernel for nouveau as well?
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08:15<And1>Oh ok. :P
08:16<jm_>And1: just install it and make sure you don't mention driver "nvidia" in xorg.conf
08:17<sahko>id say mv the xorg.conf to another location, esp. if the only reason you need it is the nvidia driver
08:17<sahko>nouveau should work fine without one
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08:17<And1>jm_: Ok, I'll try.
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08:20<devil>there is no xorg.conf needed. just make sure anything named nvidia* is gone (dpkg -l nvidia* | grep ii)
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08:22<Torsten_W>And1, you could install nvidia from experimental
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08:26<bambix>hi everybody
08:26<bambix>was wondering if i could ask someone a few questions concerning virtualisation
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08:28<And1>Torsten_W: nouveau won't work if nvidia-stuff is still installed?
08:28<And1>Torsten_W: I'm a little afraid that nouveau won't work. :-x
08:29<Torsten_W>whyt card?
08:29<Torsten_W>s/y/a
08:29<And1>Torsten_W: nVidia 7600GT
08:29<Torsten_W>and yes, nouveau don't work, if there is nvidia-blob installed
08:29<And1>Ok, then I'll purge everything...
08:30<bambix>is there a way to install debian in hyper-v without having to resort to the legacy nics in hyper-v?
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08:32<bambix>antbody?
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08:39<And1>Torsten_W: Ok, purged every nvidia-stuff now... and installed xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and libdrm-nouvea-1a. Do I need something else?
08:39<Torsten_W>firmware-linux-nonfree
08:40<And1>Also installed.
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08:42<And1>[drm] failed to open device -- and -- Fatal server error: no screens found.
08:42<gsimmons>Torsten_W: That package is not relevant to the nvidia binary driver, or even nouveau.
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08:44<And1>Oh ok. Deleted the whole xorg.conf and it works. Just the resolution is very small and everything's a little unsharp.
08:44<Torsten_W>use xrandr
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08:46<And1>Mh, just 'xrandr -s 1920x1200' maybe.
08:46<Torsten_W>if you want that mode
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08:47<And1>'xrandr' doesn't list it.
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08:49<And1>It says 1280x1024 is maximum. Any ideas why it is like that?
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08:51<Torsten_W>And1, with the binary blob, the resolution was fine?
08:51<And1>"Failed to get size of gamma for output default"
08:51<And1>Torsten_W: Yup, it was.
08:51<Torsten_W>And1, and btw, you could paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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08:53<And1>Torsten_W: http://suckr.net/xorg.0.log
08:54<Torsten_W>your system does not use nouveau
08:54<Torsten_W>it is using vesa
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08:54<jm_>hehe
08:55<Torsten_W>And1, lsmod | grep nouveau shows what?
08:56<tim>有会中文的吗
08:56<And1>Torsten_W: http://suckr.net/lsmod.txt
08:56<Torsten_W>And1, and btw, reboot your system without vga=791
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08:56<And1>Torsten_W: Mh, ok. What's the reason?
08:57<Torsten_W>KMS does not work with vesa-framebuffer
08:57<Torsten_W>nouveau depends on KMS
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08:57<And1>Ah ok. Then I'm doing the reboot now.
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09:05<And1>Sorry guys, suddenly fsck. =O
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09:05<And1>I'll check xorg.log if nouveau is running now...
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09:09<And1>Torsten_W: It seems still to load vesa (and try to load nv)... http://suckr.net/xorg.0.log
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09:12<tom_my667>haloo
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09:15<And1>Torsten_W: When using this tiny xorg.conf http://suckr.net/xorg.conf.txt then I get the message "drm failed to open device" and "Fatal server error: no screens found" ...
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09:16<Torsten_W>And1, i never used nouveau, since this driver is far from ready
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09:17<tom_my667>haloo
09:17<And1>Oh ok. Maybe I should ask in #nouveau then...
09:17<ffws>And1: which xorg version?
09:18<And1>ffws: 1.7.6+3
09:18<sahko>did you add composite manually?
09:19<And1>sahko: Yep.
09:19<And1>sahko: But it's the same error with composite disabled.
09:19<ffws>And1: remove everything except the Device section
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09:20<ffws>and try again, and provide the xorg log file
09:20<ffws>which nouveau version?
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09:21<And1>ffws: libdrm-nouveau1a is 2.4.23-2 and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is 1:0.0.16+git20101210
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09:22<And1>ffws: http://suckr.net/xorg.0.log
09:23<ffws>And1: I'm using the same nouveau version but xorg 1.9 and it works perfect here
09:23<And1>Usind debian unstable. Is 1.9 from experimental or something?
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09:24<ffws>And1: what is the output of: lspci -nn | grep VGAlspci -nn | grep VGA
09:24<Torsten_W>ffws, he is using xserver 1.9.4
09:25<And1>Hmm, in the xorg log it says so. Why is the package-version different?
09:26<kev>are multiple XKBOPTIONS possible in /etc/default/keyboard?
09:26<Torsten_W>And1, they isn't
09:26<Torsten_W>And1, xserver is xserver-xorg-core
09:27<Torsten_W>kev, sure
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09:28<ffws>And1: did you clean your xorg.conf and tried again?
09:28<And1>Oh ok. Sorry guys.
09:28<kev>Torsten_W: i tried seperating with simicolon, doesnt seem to work
09:28<And1>ffws: Yup, just with the device-section. It gave the same error.
09:28<kev>whats the syntax?
09:29<Torsten_W>kev comma
09:29<ffws>And1: xorg log again please
09:29<Torsten_W>kev, without spaces
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09:30<Torsten_W>kev, and for making changes in this file known, you have to do udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change
09:30<And1>ffws: http://suckr.net/xorg.0.log
09:31<kev>no restarting X? horray!
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09:34<kev>well if i disappear its caused it worked so thanks
09:35<kev>humm ah keyboard mod needs reloading after udevadm
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09:39<ffws>And1: lsmod | grep nv
09:40<ffws>And1: do you have the proprietary nvidia driver installed?
09:40<And1>ffws: I purged it.
09:40<And1>'lsmod | grep nv' doesn't print anything to stdout.
09:40<ffws>And1: that does not help, it overwrote some parts of xorg and mesa
09:41<ffws>I don't know if it helps to reinstall xorg and mesa
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09:41<And1>How would I simply reinstall both?
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09:42<And1>'aptitude reinstall xorg'?
09:42<sahko>i think you need libgl not mesa
09:42<ffws>And1: Torsten_W should know, I never had this problem
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09:43<ffws>libgl is mesa
09:43<sahko>of course libgl is part of the mesa source
09:43<sahko>yeah
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09:45<ffws>And1: thats the bullshit about the proprietary nvidia driver, it overwrites half of your xorg...
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09:46<Torsten_W>ffws, it overwrites only glx
09:46<And1>So just reinstalling every xorg-package could work, aie? Just the question what's the easiest way to do that. :P
09:46<Torsten_W>and an reinstall of xserver-xorg-core is fixing this
09:47<SynrG>yes, "only" making it impossible for me to make a live CD that works with nvidia + ati + xorg gl
09:47<SynrG>i shouldn't say impossible ... but life is too short for me to mess with such things :p
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09:48<Torsten_W>and the glx-package in debian is using update-alternatives for switching glx
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09:48<SynrG>(would need some sort of boot-time hook to autodetect and swivel the autodetected gl into place)
09:48<sahko>the blob is not THAT good anyway
09:48<sahko>of course if you need 3d its the only option today
09:49<sahko>s/of course/unfortunately/ :)
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09:50<Raid>Hi :)
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09:51<Raid>I've got a problem with my audio sound card
09:51<And1>Maybe I should use vesa or nv until nouveau works? Or are there any disadvantages to proprietary nvidia driver?
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09:51<Torsten_W>i would use the binary blob
09:51<SynrG>And1: not sure about that. reinstall is not as good as purge/reinstall (though there's a huge tower of dependencies on top which makes purge impractical)
09:52<Torsten_W>And1, in sid, you can't use nv, since nv was removed from the repo
09:52<SynrG>i mean "not as good for returning things to a 'pristine' state"
09:52<And1>Torsten_W: Oh ok. Strange xorg still wants to load it ...
09:52<Torsten_W>that's normal
09:52<And1>SynrG: So I should purge xserver-xorg-core, maybe?
09:52<Torsten_W>no
09:52<Torsten_W>not nessesary
09:52<Torsten_W>you don't have a problem with glx
09:53<SynrG>i just finished saying it's impractical to do so :)
09:53<Torsten_W>as you can see in the logfile
09:53<And1>Ok. :)
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09:53<SynrG>my comment was only about the uselessness of reinstall
09:53<SynrG>or more precisely: reinstall doesn't do what you probably think it does :)
09:53<Torsten_W>it does, what expected
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09:54<Torsten_W>it fix changed glx-lib
09:54<SynrG>ah? ok, then we're talking about corruption of packages
09:54<SynrG>reinstall *does* help in that case. won't help with misconfiguration
09:54<sahko>how can i reconfigure alsa? is there a debian specific way to do it? i would like to recreate /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
09:54<Torsten_W>we don't speak about misconfiguration
09:55<SynrG>ok. i should pay attention better :)
09:55<SynrG>sorry
09:55<Torsten_W>since we tryed a start without xorg.conf
09:55<SynrG>(the part about alternatives threw me off)
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09:56<And1>When using vesa, will I run into problems with e.g. HD movies?
09:57<sahko>i guess /usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/README.Debian should work
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09:57<Raid>Hi everybody. I have an Intel 3400 HDA sound card. It has two 3.5mm jack output, but when i try to connect two pairs of speakers only one of them works
09:57<Raid>Never both on time
09:58<Raid>somebody knows how to fix it?
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09:59<Raid>it's a 4.0 sound system...
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10:02<deux>hi everyone
10:03<deux>i was wondering - i've checked my hardware on http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ and some of my hardware has the kernel 2.6.35 next to it
10:03<deux>does that mean the 2.6.35 and above kernels supports it?
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10:04<dvs>deux: That's what I would think.
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10:04<deux>does that mean there is no way to support it with squeeze then?
10:04<syndicate>no, you can always put 2.6.35 or above into squeeze
10:05<dvs>deux: You could get the kernel from experimental or compile the kernel yourself
10:05<deux>could you please tell me how i can get the kernel from experimental?
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10:05<deux>cause i have no idea about how to compile
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10:06<sahko>deux: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianExperimental
10:06<ffws>isn't 2.6.37 in sid?
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10:06<dvs>,versions linux-image-2.6-amd64 sid
10:06<judd>Package linux-image-2.6-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; wheezy: 2.6.32+29; sid: 2.6.37+30
10:07<dvs>so it is
10:07<deux>wait, will i have to move to sid in order to get 2.6.37?
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10:07<syndicate>deux, could you mention the name of the hardware?
10:07<syndicate>just curious
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10:07<deux>it's ATI mobility radeon HD5470
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10:07<ffws>deux: no, you just need some packages from sid
10:07<dvs>deux: or you could just download the linux-image and linux-base packages and install them.
10:08<deux>could you please guide me how to do this?
10:08<mercutio22>can someone remind me how to change the bash history size variable?
10:08<deux>cause it doesn't actually say how to in that page i've got
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10:09<syndicate>mercutio22, in ~/.bashrc
10:09<deux>also - it says i shouldn't use those packages...
10:09<ffws>deux: enable sid repository, set correct pinning and use apt-get to isntall the kernel
10:09<syndicate>you can change these lines
10:09<syndicate>export HISTFILESIZE=9876
10:09<syndicate>export HISTSIZE=9876
10:09<syndicate>or just append them
10:09<syndicate>it will override earlier values
10:10<deux>i have no idea how to enable the sid repo
10:10<deux>what is pinning
10:10<K6ORJ>anyone know where there is a good explination on how to install the non-free nVidia drivers for squeeze?
10:10<sney>the wiki has a pretty good howto
10:11<SynrG>http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences
10:11<K6ORJ>Ok let me check that out. All the instructions that I am finding are for lenny and they are not working.
10:12<sney>also check what dpkg just told you
10:12<ffws>deux: you should do a bit of reading before you enable sid
10:13<bluenemo_>i'm writing a shell script. why does: if [ -d $cfg_dir_path ]; then answer to stdout: line 24: /home/bluenemo/.blunix: is a directory ? i dont want if to answer if the -d is true :)
10:13<deux>where can i get that reading from?
10:13<mercutio22>syndicate: thanks
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10:15<mercutio22>syndicate: should setting export HISTSIZE=10000 persist booting?
10:15<SynrG>bluenemo_: "is a directory" probably means you're treating it as a file (as the result of something other than the line you pasted) but in any case, this is not a help channel for shell programming :p
10:15<syndicate>you're welcome
10:16<syndicate>bash history will persist by default
10:16<syndicate>i think the size is irrelevant
10:16<bluenemo_>SynrG, oh ok :D yeah i've grown acustomed to know that here is a genius for everything :) but you're right, i'll look for an bash channel
10:16<K6ORJ>When I try to install nVidia the nVidia way i get a gcc error. it says gcc4.4 is installed but I need 4.3 I installed 4.3 but it doesn’t see it?
10:16<syndicate>only how many lines will be stored
10:17<SynrG>bluenemo_: a bit of general advice, i think the error might not occur where you think it is. use liberal use of 'set -x', etc. to make sure you're debugging the right line of code first :)
10:17<syndicate>deux, http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/
10:17<SynrG>bluenemo_: and good luck
10:17<syndicate>oh wait, wrong link
10:18<bluenemo_>SynrG, thx :)
10:20<syndicate>deux, which kernel do you use right now? (686 or amd64 or something else)
10:20<deux>amd64
10:20<dvs>2.6.32
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10:21<deux>the standard kernel that comes with squeeze - 2.6.32
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10:22<syndicate>i can't find 2.6.37 in sid, in http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6-amd64
10:22<syndicate>dep: linux-image-2.6.37-1-amd64 Package not available
10:23<deux>should i use the liquorix kernel?
10:23<deux>just found it on the net
10:23<sahko>hmm i think i found whats causing my problems with encodings. does anyone know whats the purpose of LANGUAGE="en_US:en" in /etc/default/locale ? first time ive seen such a setting
10:24<And1>Folks how would I install linux-image-2.6.37-1 from experimental in sid?
10:24<syndicate>i'm not familiar with liquorix
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10:24<stack>hi
10:25<deux>in that case - how do you install kernel 2.6.37 from experimental?
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10:26<syndicate>can't find 2.6.37 in experimental
10:26<sahko>its also in sid, scroll up
10:26<syndicate>did i do something wrong when i search for 2.6.37...
10:26<syndicate>can't find it anywhere
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10:27<Kosmonavt>what filesystem to choose for LVM logical volume? need possibility to resize and stability.
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10:28<stack>linux have Autocad software?
10:29<OdyX>!kicad
10:29<amphi>there's qcad
10:29<SynrG>syndicate: packages.d.o lags a bit always ...
10:30<syndicate>i see
10:30<themill>(so will your mirror, though)
10:30<stack>Well?
10:31<stack>Thank you!
10:31<SynrG>syndicate: hmm, but in this case it is correct
10:31<SynrG>there's always a bit of sloppiness when a new kernel clears NEW and enters the archive
10:31<SynrG>with bits of it entering the archive before the other bits you need.
10:33<syndicate>oh, so that's why
10:33<themill>that's pretty common for sid in general
10:34<syndicate>http://ftp.hk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-base_2.6.37-1~experimental.1_all.deb' linux-base_2.6.37-1~experimental.1_all.deb http://ftp.hk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.37-trunk-amd64_2.6.37-1~experimental.1_amd64.deb
10:35<syndicate>SynrG, thanks for the info. now i know why
10:35<SynrG>themill: but particularly accentuated in the case of kernels because they're large, complex uploads
10:35<syndicate>deux, you can download 2 package needed to install 2.6.37 from the urls above
10:35<themill>SynrG: and because people try to explicitly install it rather than just letting apt upgrade what it can.
10:36<SynrG>mhm
10:36<deux>syndicate: install them and then what?
10:36<syndicate>reboot
10:36<syndicate>then see if it works
10:36<SynrG>you'll need a new linux-base
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10:37<SynrG>(does sid have a new linux-base for 2.6.37?)
10:37<SynrG>maybe it does already
10:37<syndicate>yes, a new linux-base
10:37<syndicate>the first url is for the linux-base
10:37<SynrG>missed that. sorry
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10:38<SynrG>i thought you were listing the generic 2.6 metapackage and specific 2.6.37 image and glossed over that bit :/
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10:38<syndicate>:)
10:39<syndicate>but, this is the first time i notice a package named linux-base
10:39<syndicate>i don't even know it's there
10:39<SynrG>it handles upgrade scripts (e.g. libata migration)
10:39<syndicate>i'm on squeeze but with vanilla 2.6.37
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10:39<deux>so basically, after installing these two packages i'm going to have 2.6.37 kernel?
10:39<syndicate>and my linux-base is 2.6.32-30
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10:40<deux>and once debian updates, i'll get everything just as normal?
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10:40<nillo>hhhfe
10:40<nillo>ola
10:40<SynrG>syndicate: it's debian-specific, so vanilla has nothing to do with it
10:40<nillo>hello
10:41<syndicate>i see, so i'll just left it as it is now at 2.6.32
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10:41<syndicate>deux, yes, after installing these 2 pkgs you'll have the option of booting with 2.6.37
10:41<SynrG>for giggles you could look at the changelog for 2.6.37 linux-base to see what new goodies it brings
10:42<syndicate>deux, don't remove your 2.6.32
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10:42<deux>i'm just curious - would i be getting the updates to these kernels (seeing as these are debian sourced)
10:43<syndicate>you can choose which kernel to boot in the grub menu
10:43<nillo>que
10:43<syndicate>deux, no, because it's manually installed it won't get updated
10:43<deux>ahhh
10:44<nillo>¿where are you from?
10:44<syndicate>SynrG, just looked at the changelog. must be a hard work for the kernel package maintainer
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10:46<syndicate>looking at dpkg -L linux-base
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10:46<nillo>who are
10:46<themill>!ubuntu-es nillo
10:46<dpkg>nillo: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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10:47<syndicate>seems that none is necessary to the kernel image itself
10:48<deux>well, thank you guys, i'll try that kernel and see what happens
10:48<deux>see ya later
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10:52<SynrG>syndicate: maintainer*s*. it's a team effort.
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10:53<syndicate>sorry, missed the s
10:54-!-unixabg [~unixabg@204.27.57.154] has joined #debian
10:54<SynrG>and yeah, i don't envy them their job
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10:55<sney>a friend of mine is a kernel developer for $large-nonevil-company, I think it's literally driven him insane
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10:56<dvs>I B Moving if I was him
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10:59<syndicate>heroes
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10:59<opticon>Im preparing to upgrade lenny to squeeze I have all data and server configs backed up that should about do it right?
11:00<syndicate>it would be great if you could test your backup
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11:03<dvs>opticon: Sure, as long as you follow the installation guide when you do the upgrade.
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11:11<rlm>hi to all
11:11<rlm>any spanish
11:11<rlm>?
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11:12<sahko>!tell rlm about es
11:13<rlm>hi sahko
11:13<sahko>hi
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11:13<rlm>excuse for my poor english
11:14<rlm>i want to know if is posible in debian with apache+php
11:14<rlm>and mysql
11:14<rlm>server
11:14<rlm>construct next example
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11:15<sney>rlm: yes
11:15<rlm>i have a process script in php running taking dates in a mysql table , for example, take the date one, take the date two.....
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11:16<rlm>and then i have a web page in the same machine to observe the date of the process script take
11:16<rlm>automatic
11:16<tom_my667>alo
11:17<rlm>i dont know if necesary ajax, comet, websockets or any thecnology .... push polling ?
11:17<tom_my667>chat
11:17<tom_my667>saaya ikutan dong
11:17<rlm>i explain well ?
11:17<sney>I don't know either, but debian has pretty up to date apache/mysql/php, so it should be possible
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11:18<rlm>i have a little example with ajax but i dont know if any tecnology ( open source of course ) to do thi
11:18<rlm>s
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11:19<rlm>if fact ajax running well but ajax reload the page every x time
11:19<rlm>i do that when any client open the web page automaticly
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11:24<satish>hello domonick!!!!
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11:25<satish>hello dominick???
11:25<satish>sorry i mispelled ur name...
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11:28<satish>hi dominick:
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11:29<SynrG>rlm: we can help you with debian problems, but can't teach you to be a web programmer. that, you'll have to manage on your own.
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11:30<SynrG>rlm: decide on the technologies to use, learn to use them, then come back if you have problems that are debian-specific
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11:32<Traveler>hello everyone
11:33<opticon>alright thanks
11:33<Traveler>i have a question , i want to make a youtube graber and converter to mp3 in debian
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11:34<Traveler>can someone tell me witch program is good for that?
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11:34<SynrG>sounds like youtube-dl + mencoder (or ffmpeg if you prefer)
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11:36<SynrG>i've used mencoder, in any case, to convert flv -> other
11:36<SynrG>and youtube-dl is my favourite youtube grabber (there are others, like clive)
11:36<Traveler>i am trying with youtube-dl and ffmpeg ,
11:36<Traveler>but i get this error
11:37<Traveler>Stream mapping:
11:37<Traveler> Stream #0.1 -> #0.0
11:37<Traveler>Encoder (codec id 86017) not found for output stream #0.0
11:37<SynrG>don't know how to help with that
11:37<Traveler>when trying to convert in mp3
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11:38<SynrG>Traveler: youtube offers different formats. find the wikipedia page on it, there is a table there
11:38<SynrG>play with -f # (where # is a format# from that table)
11:39<SynrG>you may have better luck trying to transcode a different format
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11:39<SynrG>(but not all videos are available in all formats)
11:39<Traveler>yes i can convert flv to avi but not to mp3
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11:39<Traveler>i installed lamemp3
11:39<Traveler>too
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11:39*SynrG shrugs
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11:40<SynrG>try some lossless intermediate format
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11:41<SynrG>we've exhausted what i know on the topic :)
11:41<Traveler>how can i configure ffmpeg
11:41<SynrG>see above (i know mencoder, not ffmpeg)
11:42<Traveler>ok ty
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11:44<satish>dominick??? u there???
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11:47<sahko>after doing a dpkg --get-selections i see many packages marked as deinstall. the man page says "The package is selected for deinstallation (i.e. we want to remove all files, except configuration files)." but i think that i have purged them with aptitude already. whats the real deal here?
11:48<SynrG>right. --get-selections only tells you the intended disposition of the package
11:48<SynrG>not its current state
11:49<sahko>how do make em disappear from the list?
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11:49<SynrG>ah. purge them (i guess you didn't actually purge them. maybe you only removed them?)
11:50<paparsifal>hi there
11:50<paparsifal>i've installed vmware server 2.0.2 on my squeeze box
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11:50<sahko>SynrG: for example i have gconf2-common in there, which was gone by an aptitude purge emacs23 invocation
11:51<paparsifal>i've used patch provided by raducotescu
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11:51<sahko>afaict the configuration files of emacs' dependencies are gone/purged
11:51<paparsifal>everything works fine
11:51<SynrG>sahko: you purged emacs23. you did not purge gconf2-common
11:51<paparsifal>exect i cannont ping host form vms and vms from host
11:51<sahko>SynrG: will it work if i purge it now?
11:52<paparsifal>problem seems to be that virtual hostonly interface have no hardware address
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11:52<SynrG>i think so. it will only purge things you explicitly ask to purge.
11:52<paparsifal>vmnet1 Link encap:AMPR NET/ROM HWaddr
11:52<SynrG>synaptics has some nice filters ... you might use that to find/cleanup stuff with residual configs that you really want purged.
11:52<SynrG>synaptic, i mean
11:53<sahko>i dont have any gui stuff
11:53<SynrG>or else use dctrl-tools
11:53<SynrG>use grep-status
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11:54<paparsifal>anyone knows how to resolve this ? what does means encap:AMPR NET/ROM ?
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11:55<SynrG>paparsifal: sorry, i know virtualbox which is actually in debian, but not vmware.
11:55<sney>paparsifal: you should ask vmware support, but it might be a routing issue. 'route' to see your routing table
11:55<sahko>SynrG: ok, thanks
11:55<paparsifal>route is ok
11:56<paparsifal>route to the private network is on the vmnet1 interface
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11:56<paparsifal>192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 vmnet1
11:56<sney>paparsifal: ok, then you need to talk to vmware people
11:57<sahko>SynrG: could i have purged those along with emacs somehow? i mean using one aptitude command
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11:57<paparsifal>do you know if i can control virtualbox entirely from command line or via a web interface
11:57<paparsifal>i could switch to virtualbox but i don't want to install any graphic interface on the machine
11:57<SynrG>sahko: i'm generally not an aptitude user (only for a few isolated things, like aptitude why) so i dunno. i would just check the doc. if it doesn't say anything about it, i assume not.
11:58<SynrG>paparsifal: yes. i run virtualbox headless with VBoxHeadless
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11:58<sahko>SynrG: ok, thanks
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11:59<stderr_dk>sahko: I use something like: dpkg --get-selections | awk '{ if($2=="deinstall") { print $1 } }' | xargs -r aptitude purge
11:59<stderr_dk>Wouldn't be surprised if there is a better way to do it...
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12:00<sahko>i assume i could also use aptitude purge foo bar_
12:00<sahko>i guess thats why its there for:)
12:00<SynrG>paparsifal: hmm. mind you, i would have to cross-check that against virtualbox-ose (recently switched to VB 4.0 non-free from upstream because work requires it :P )
12:00<SynrG>paparsifal: but i think it can do that too
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12:01<paparsifal>VBoxHeadless is installed with vbox ?
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12:02<sahko>i wonder how many of the 25000 packages available in the distribution are tools for managing the distribution it self. there seem to be shitloads of those
12:02<paparsifal>i see there's a packet vbox-ose, it is in here ?
12:02<sahko>like dctrl-tools mentioned above
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12:03<SynrG>virtualbox-ose: /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxHeadless
12:03<SynrG>paparsifal: ^^
12:03<SynrG>yes
12:04<paparsifal>ok
12:04<SynrG>that's in squeeze main
12:05<paparsifal>i'll give it a try
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12:06<SynrG>sahko: naturally each developer brings their own ideas to the distribution about what would make dealing with the distro nicer :)
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12:07<SynrG>such diversity is, in the long run, good for us, i think. even though users may find it all a bit bewildering ... but really, only a small handful of those will ever be needed by most users.
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12:09<sahko>i agree, its very hard to keep track at first though
12:10<SynrG>sure. it helps to have a nice community to help you get oriented :)
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12:10<sahko>indeed:)
12:10<hiran>hey
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12:12<satish>hi hiran!!!
12:12<satish>hi hiran:
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12:15<SQlvpapir>a few butt hurt people and a few awesome comics on the "Please send a patch" situation on planet.debian.net
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12:26<lapfrog>hey guys how do i configure grub to boot from a RAID root device?
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12:29<kop>lapfrog: You only do it if it's raid1, and then you ignore the raid and boot from only one of the drives. That's with grub1, but I doubt that grub2 understands raid. Could be wrong. RTFM.
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12:29<lapfrog>i'm sure grub2 understands several levels of RAID
12:29<lapfrog>and all i have to do is insmod raid
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12:30<lapfrog>but i thought there might be a particular place where i put the insmod command
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12:30<lapfrog>perhaps in /etc/grub/default
12:30<SynrG>yeah, what i always did was boot from one of the drives. (and yes, that was back with grub1)
12:30<lapfrog>well
12:30<SynrG>i never experienced any downside to that
12:30<lapfrog>the drives now have metadata at the start
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12:31<winsen>HELP
12:31<kop>!tell winsen about errors
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12:32<winsen>my wifi doesn't work don't know why, can you help me please?
12:32<cahoot>!tell winsen about wifi
12:32<lapfrog>we'll send you the money and the helicopter when we have the hostages
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12:34<winsen>kop what do you want to know?
12:34<winsen>http://pastebin.fr/10403
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12:36<winsen><kop>hello, what do want to know? when i type iwconfig it tells me no wireless extension
12:37<winsen>actualy i am connecting with ethernet
12:37<jhutchins_lt>winsen: Should this be dhcp?
12:37<kop>winsen: I'm not a wifi guy. Tell the channel as much as you know about what version of debian, what driver you're using, what you did, what you expected, what happened instead, etc.
12:37<SynrG>winsen: 'no wireless extensions' is normal for the devices that message appears for
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12:37<jhutchins_lt>It looks like it's associated but does not yet have an address.
12:37<SynrG>winsen: they are not wireless devices
12:37<winsen>ok
12:38<winsen>thanks for answer,
12:38<jhutchins_lt>winsen: Is this supposed to be dhcp or static?
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12:38<winsen>i am not with dynamic ip now
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12:39<jhutchins_lt>winsen: Then you just need to set the address for wlan0 and you should have a connection.
12:39<jhutchins_lt>winsen: The wifi part is already working.
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12:40<jhutchins_lt>winsen: What tools are you using to try to configure this?
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12:41<jhutchins_lt>winsen: Look, this would be really simple to fix if you would just reply.
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12:41<winsen>so, i dont know why, while i was in ubuntu it has working very good with dhcp , and now i am with debian squeeze but doesn't work
12:42<winsen><jhutchins_lt>you think that i've just to fixe ip?
12:42<jhutchins_lt>winsen: Yes.
12:43<SynrG>but ...
12:43<SynrG>winsen: where is your dhcp server? on your router?
12:43<jhutchins_lt>SynrG: Read the scrollback. He's static, not dhcp.
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12:44<SynrG>jhutchins_lt: that's not how i interpreted it.
12:44<SynrG>13:41 < winsen> so, i dont know why, while i was in ubuntu it has working very good with dhcp , and now i am with debian
12:44<SynrG> squeeze but doesn't work
12:44<SynrG>"doesn't work" ... client? or server?
12:44<winsen>Synnrg>FAI
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12:45<jhutchins_lt>[11:38] <winsen> i am not with dynamic ip now
12:45<winsen>sorry, SynrG
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12:45<winsen>server
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12:45<winsen>with my laptop
12:45<SynrG>sigh. ok. yes, i read that. but his later statement seemed to contradict it.
12:45<jhutchins_lt>winsen: If you have dhcp, just run dhclient wlan0 and you should be up and running.
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12:47<winsen>and i'd like to create virtual network with debian server
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12:48<winsen>jhutchins_lt>DHCP is actualy runnig and don't why it doesn't work, and i've another os winxp and this one works perfectly
12:48<winsen>i am speaking especialy wifi
12:50<jhutchins_lt>!fr
12:50<jhutchins_lt>dpkg appears to be stuck
12:50<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
12:50<dpkg>no idea, jhutchins_lt
12:50<jhutchins_lt>winsen: /j #debian-fr
12:50<winsen>my laptop is dhcpclient
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12:51<jhutchins_lt>winsen: If dhclient is already running for eth0 then it won't make any difference. If it's running for wlan0 but didn't get an address because the link wasn't up yet, kill it and run it again.
12:51<jhutchins_lt>winsen: You can also try setting the iP manually.
12:51<winsen><jhutchins_lt>why? cause my english is bad
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12:54<jhutchins_lt>winsen: /j #debian-fr
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12:56<winsen><jhutchins_lt>i thing you're better
12:56<winsen>sorry think
12:57<jhutchins_lt>winsen: ifconifg wlan0 <address> netmask <mask> gateway <gwaddress>
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12:57<jhutchins_lt>winsen: Or pkill dhclient && dhclient wlan0
12:57<DarkJairo>hoal
12:57<DarkJairo>hola*
12:58<winsen>so, canhow can you explain , wifi works perfectly with winxp on the same machine, ans same thing with ubuntu
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12:58<jhutchins_lt>winsen: You just haven't finished setting it up correctly, it will work fine.
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13:00<winsen>so can you tell me what i've to doing
13:00<winsen>?
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13:02<winsen>i am sorry jhutchins_but i am convinced
13:02<winsen>i am not convinced
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13:04<winsen>i folow step by step the support " http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi#Installation
13:04<jhutchins_lt>winsen: I have told you all I can. Your wifi connection is working just fine. You just need to get an IP assigned either by running ifconfig or dhclient.
13:05<winsen>i am following step by step the support " http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi#Installation
13:05<winsen><jhutchins_lt>you want me to leave forum?
13:06<winsen>cause my english is bad
13:06<kop>winsen: Did you follow jhutchins_lt suggestions step by step?
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13:06<kop>winsen: What's your native language? There are other debian support channels in other languages.
13:06<jhutchins_lt>winsen: I have no problem with you being here. I think you might get better help in French on #debian-fr - I'm not trying to be unfriendly, I just think it would work better in your native language.
13:07<winsen>ok, excuse me sirs, i am not welcome here
13:07<bartm>winsen, you're welcome
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13:09<winsen>bartm>thank you
13:09<ras>hi
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13:10<kop>winsen: Sure, you're welcome. I've not been paying attention to what's happened but some don't follow instructions when given, and some are better served by going elsewere for a large variety of reasons.
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13:14<amakusa>does anyone know if xedit has a word wrap option?
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13:15<ras>hi
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13:15<ras>i got too many problems with my debian squeeze :)
13:16<SynrG>amakusa: because you have a fondness for archaic tools? :)
13:16<ras>I can't boot, and actually i can't connect to the internet
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13:16<ras>or at least i don't know how
13:16<ras>(in maintenance mode, command line style)
13:16<srtu>without any information, noone can help you ras
13:16<ras>i was getting there
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13:17<amakusa>SynrG: it does the job I need it to do, I just wonder if it has a word wrap option
13:17<And1>After building linux-image-2.6.37-1 from source, can I just install it or do I have to take care of something?
13:17<And1>Built it via dpkg-buildpackage...
13:18<ras>I think the problem is with some missing packages
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13:19<ras>sometime when i install something, apt-get tell me he's gonna remove some unused package
13:19<ras>and i guess i wasn't careful enough that last time
13:19<ras>or maybe it's about compiz
13:19<ras>cause that's what i tried to install
13:20<amakusa>to be more precise, I know it can word wrap, but can't seem to find out how
13:20<SynrG>amakusa: the answer is apparently yes, and i had to download the source tarball to find out.
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13:20<SynrG>C-MiddleMouseButton displays the Edit menu
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13:21<bartm>amakusa, google seems to know how
13:21<SynrG>Wrapping has 3 possible options: Never, Line, WOrd
13:21<SynrG>is this doc not in debian? if not, maybe file a bug on x11-utils to include some
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13:22<SynrG>amakusa: i found this info in the README from the upstream xedit tarball
13:22<jhutchins_lt>I do see that #debian-fr has 83 users and no traffic in the last ~30 minutes.
13:22<amakusa>I just tried that and it works, thanks a lot SynrG
13:23<SynrG>amakusa: don't forget to file the bug, then :)
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13:23<SynrG>oh, hmm
13:23<SynrG>it's not x11-utils
13:23<ras>/var/log/Xorg.0.log gives me some WW lines like :
13:23<SynrG>x11-apps, i meant
13:24<ras>Unable to get display device CRT-0's EDID : cannot compute DPI from CRT-0's EDID
13:24<ras>may my booting problem comes from here ?
13:25<amakusa>SynrG: will do
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13:30<sahko>is testing proposed updates ever used?
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13:34<bulacha>belesa
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13:35<sahko>ill just remove it
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14:00<retrospectacus>!qotd0
14:00<dpkg><nvz> Pretty much lost interest in school after the 3rd of 4th year when I seen that they couldnt teach me anything anymore, and I began my own quest of knowlage
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14:00<bartm>... and found debian :)
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14:02<Habstinat>Hi. I'm installing Debian Squeeze, and my hardware needs nonfree firmware to operate. The missing file is rt18168d-2.fw. Does anyone know where I could obtain this firmware file so I could put it on my USB stick?
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14:03<regular>Habstinat: Are you trying to boot from the USB?
14:04<Habstinat>regular: No. I am booting from CD but the installer is prompting me to enter in a USB stick with the file.
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14:06<dvs>Habstinat: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en
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14:06<ramnet>Habstinat: non-free firmware is at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/squeeze/current/
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14:13<Habstinat>ramnet: That seems to be a collection of .deb files, but the installer is prompting for a .fw file.
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14:14<ramnet>Before starting the installation process on hardware unfamiliar to you, a suggestion is to download the firmware tarball for your installation and have it available on removable storage. When the installer starts, it will automatically find the firmware tarball on the removable storage install the firmware if needed for your hardware.
14:14<ramnet>from http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware
14:14<ramnet>if that isn't right you may have found a bug :)
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14:16<dvs>Habstinat: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/firmware-6.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
14:16<dvs>there
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14:17<Habstinat>So should I put the firmware.tar.gz in the root of a USB, then restart the installer and hope all goes well?
14:18<dvs>Habstinat: you unpack it to the USB drive
14:18<Habstinat>dvs: Thanks, I'll try that.
14:18<dvs>np
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14:27<Habstinat>dvs: Just tried that and restarted installation, and I still get that message.
14:28<Habstinat>
14:28<bartm>Habstinat, I searched google for rt18168d-2.fw and found a few hits
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14:29<Habstinat>bartm: Thanks, I'll try that.
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14:29<regular>Sorry, does anyone know how to display the output of /msg or /who in irssi without leaving the chat room?
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14:31<jhutchins_lt>regular: #irsssi
14:31<regular>Thanks
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14:32<Habstinat>bartm: There were a couple results in French and a couple using terminology that I didn't understand. I couldn't find the actual file.
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14:33<dvs>Habstinat: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/firmware-6.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
14:33<dvs>burn that
14:33<Habstinat>dvs: Ok.
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15:05<Habstinat>Alright. So dvs's method didn't work and I still get the prompt. Any ideas on where to get rt18168d-2.fw?
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15:09<K6ORJ>HELP! I don't know what I am doing wrong trying to install nVidia non-free what is this telling me?
15:09<K6ORJ># m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel$2.6.32.-5-686-source
15:09<K6ORJ>nvidia-kernel.6.32.-5-686-source, what is nvidia-kernel.6.32.-5-686-source?
15:10<retrospectacus>!installer firmware
15:10<dpkg>Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>.
15:10<retrospectacus>Habstinat: ^
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15:11<retrospectacus>K6ORJ: it's a package containing source code. What's the problem?
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15:13<Habstinat>retrospectacus: I tried putting firmware.tar.gz into both a USB and the ISO. Both of them didn't work because they didn't have the .fw file I need.
15:13<K6ORJ>retrospectacus: I don't know when I type in the line just above this one I get "nvidia-kernel.6.32.-5-686-source, what is nvidia-kernel.6.32.-5-686-source?" as a response?
15:13<retrospectacus>Habstinat: I don't know anything about this, I just poke the bot
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15:14<retrospectacus>K6ORJ: that is not the correct name, you have an extra dot in there
15:14<ramnet>Habstinat: perhaps http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=54928 ? linux and laptops can be painful :/
15:15<chealer>K6ORJ: it's telling you your command is wrong. see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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15:16<K6ORJ>retrospectacus: lol yes let me look at what I typed in F1
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15:17<Habstinat>Then maybe someone with impressive Googling skills could find rt18168d-2.fw please? Also ramnet: Saw that, my laptop is a Pavilion dm4 and all I need is that one file.
15:17<Eulenspiegel69>what (graphical) IRC client do you use? I am using xChat and am not satisfied
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15:18<ramnet>Eulenspiegel69: Pidgin is nice
15:18<sahko>!irc
15:18<dpkg>IRC is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons. Official Debian IRC channels: http://wiki.debian.org/IRC . Please read http://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc . Ask me about <irc tutorial> and <faq>. See also <debstats> and <irclog>.
15:18<Eulenspiegel69>ramnet: yeah... but it depends on GNOME stuff...
15:18<sahko>you want KDE?
15:19<jhutchins_lt>Eulenspiegel69: pidgin doesn't have too many gnomish dependencies. I run it on kde.
15:19<Eulenspiegel69>no, am using Openbox... want some cross window manager stuff like something written in GTK+ or something, not qt or stuff
15:19<sahko>maybe look at quassel
15:19<sahko>ermm qt isnt KDE
15:19<jhutchins_lt>Eulenspiegel69: I don't like it for IRC though, I use konversation.
15:20<sahko>even kde has gnomish dependencies
15:20<Eulenspiegel69>I got a 300 euro laptop with a celeron processor... qt stuff is way tooo cumbersome
15:20<sahko>theres no way to escape em
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15:21<pkrzywicki>evening gents :)
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15:22<sahko>on a side note evince-gtk is a very convinient package. i wonder why its epdfview and not that in the XFCE ISOs
15:22<sahko>evince is much more featureful
15:23<Eulenspiegel69>aah... looks like there is no GUI IRC client that does neither depend on qt nor specific desktop environment libraries like KDE or GNOME except xchat....
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15:23<me_me>:)
15:23<retrospectacus>K6ORJ: anyways, the correct command is "m-a a-i nvidia-kernel" I don't know where you got yours from
15:24<retrospectacus>me_me: it's always all about you, isn't it.
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15:24<retrospectacus>=P
15:24<MrFrood>Eulenspiegel69: gui clients are for wimps :P
15:24<ramnet>lol
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15:24<retrospectacus>!irssi
15:24<dpkg>somebody said irssi was the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . See also http://irssi.org/documentation/faq . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi on open.ircnet.net and irc.freenode.net.
15:24<ramnet>and may need m-a update; m-a prepare before that
15:24<retrospectacus>obviously
15:25<MrFrood>weechat is also worth a look
15:25<sahko>weechat is almost gui
15:25<Eulenspiegel69>ah yeah?
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15:25<Eulenspiegel69>will have a look on it
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15:25<ramnet>almost gui???
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15:26<MrFrood>weechat is irssi without the headaches
15:26<K6ORJ>retrospectacus: Ok I got it from http://wiki.debian.org The first method? gotta love it! Type it just as you typed it nothing else added?
15:26<sahko>ramnet: its like a freakin circus, only it does that in ncurses interface :p
15:26<Eulenspiegel69>can I control weechat with mouse?
15:28<retrospectacus>!tell K6ORJ -about nvidia m-a
15:28<retrospectacus>K6ORJ: that's what I was looking at
15:28<MrFrood>never tried it - normally run irc in the console on a seperate vt to X
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15:28<sahko>ramnet: also gui was planned at some point iirc
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15:29<sahko>hence why the bin is weechat-curses
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15:30<chealer>ramnet: auto-install implies prepare
15:31<Eulenspiegel69>!tell Eulenspiegel69 -about nvidia m-a
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15:32<Eulenspiegel69>MrFrood: you call GUI users wimps and change vt everytime you want to see the IRC status :)
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15:32<Habstinat>The installer gives me the option to continue without the nonfree firmware, but I think it's my network card that requires it and I can't operate without that.
15:33<Habstinat>So should I continue and then fix the problem after installing?
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15:33<MrFrood>I spend most of time in the frame buffer, only switch to X for a web page needs falsh
15:34<Eulenspiegel69>is it nowadays possible to play modern 3d shooters with FOSS graphics drivers?
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15:37<uldics>Can anyone help with broken fixing. I get an error when trying to install, upgrade or remove anything: E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libc6'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
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15:39<Habstinat>Really I would know what to do if I just had the rt18168d-2.fw file, but it seems to be very difficult to find?
15:40<me_me>retrospectacus, :) of course
15:41<me_me>I am off
15:41<ramnet>Habstinat: i think that may be just the wifi network driver. wired network might be ok
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15:42<ramnet>you can always add the driver after it's installed
15:43<Habstinat>ramnet: It's a laptop and having to find an ethernet cable every time I want to connect would be annoying :P I'll try installing without it.
15:43<ramnet>you will probably need to compile that driver yourself after installation.
15:45<ramnet>easy linux support for laptop wifi is still lacking in many respects. ndiswrapper is a last resort if you can't find linux firmware for it
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15:48<uldics>Nobody can help with broken system to get rid of that libc6 ?
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15:50<retrospectacus>uldics: run as root: apt-get -f install
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15:50<retrospectacus>uldics: then create a pastebin containing the output from that command
15:50<acu>there is an anoying keyring need for password in GNome Squeeze when I connect Remote - how can I disable that keyring
15:51<uldics>f install tried allready, just a moment
15:52<uldics>The result is: E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libc6'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
15:52<uldics>before that it wanted me to update, i agreed
15:52<uldics>else it would stop there
15:52<ramnet>acu: apt-get install libpam-keyring; echo '@include common-pamkeyring' >> /etc/pam.d/gdm
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15:53<ramnet>if your gnome keyring and user password are the same then that'll automatically unlock the keyring when you login
15:53<retrospectacus>uldics: I am looking for the output of the command, not your interpretation
15:53<uldics>hmm, ok
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15:56<uldics>http://pastebin.com/8BnKcZnP
15:58<Arrowmaster>was this a working system before?
15:58<Arrowmaster>or is this an install?
15:58<uldics>Yes
15:58<uldics>this is a usual update
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15:59<Arrowmaster>im rather shocked at the number of things it says are new to be installed that should have already been installed
15:59<retrospectacus>uldics: a "usual update" is installing 577 NEW packages?
15:59<uldics>thats what she said ...
16:00<uldics>every few days I got some few packages to be updated
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16:00<retrospectacus>methinks you did something else as well that you are not telling
16:00<uldics>this week it just got some 40 packages broken
16:00<uldics>i did not
16:00<Arrowmaster>that or dpkg somehow forgot everything that was installed
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16:01<uldics>bad hdd?
16:01<acu>ramnet: you are the MAN (thanks for the hint - it worked
16:01<uldics>it is rather old, but never experienced any errors on it
16:01<uldics>no bad sounds
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16:01<Arrowmaster>'libc-bin libc6 libc6-i686' are listed as new to be installed
16:02<Arrowmaster>thats just wrong on so many levels
16:02<uldics>wasnt my intention
16:02<uldics>it is somehow because of those broken packages
16:02<uldics>I wasnt even thinking of installing anything new
16:03<uldics>just update
16:03<retrospectacus>uldics, just for fun, can you make a pastebin with the output of dpkg -l
16:03<Arrowmaster>i would be interested to see the output of dpkg --get-selections
16:03<uldics>ok
16:03<Arrowmaster>or -l
16:03<Arrowmaster>either one works
16:03<Arrowmaster>-l is probably better though
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16:04<uldics>Hmm, that one doesnt need pastebin: dpkg-query: failed to read on buffer copy for copy info file `/var/lib/dpkg/status': Input/output error
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16:04<uldics>thats the answer from it
16:05<retrospectacus>neat
16:05<uldics>I suspect it is bad
16:05<Arrowmaster>i think this answers some questions
16:05<retrospectacus>your HDD is no worky
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16:05<retrospectacus>read dmesg|less - near the end may be some messages of interest
16:05<uldics>ok
16:07<uldics>yup, something with hdd, pastebin comes
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16:07<uldics>http://pastebin.com/nDfnNVr3
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16:10<uldics>7GB free on root
16:11<ramnet>you need to backup anything important off that drive and replace it
16:11<retrospectacus>what kind of drive is that?
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16:11<uldics>some 60 GB dont remember the make and model
16:11<uldics>IDE
16:12<retrospectacus>yeah probably just got old
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16:14<uldics>ok, when I install Debian as new installation, how do I get all my user settings for all programs to the new system?
16:14<uldics>thats kinda lot of programs
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16:15<retrospectacus>if you cannot access the hard drive, what do you think?
16:15<uldics>I can still, just some parts are bad as I understand
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16:15<fnmueller>uldics: backup home?!
16:15<uldics>home folder works
16:16<uldics>yes, but how do I set it on the new system, so it works
16:16<retrospectacus>you could keep your entire /home for the new installation then
16:16<retrospectacus>simply copy the data to the new drive, then choose to use that partition as /home and do not format, in the installer
16:16<uldics>just keep it and it would automatically get me my user back, or it should be made with same name and then files moved over?
16:16<fnmueller>uldics: yeah, copy it there; done
16:17<retrospectacus>either way should work
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16:17<uldics>sounds good to me
16:17<retrospectacus>well it would not "automatically get me my user back"
16:17<retrospectacus>you would want to create the user again during the install
16:17<uldics>same name and then copy over all the files with settings and so on
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16:18<Habstinat>.ramnet: I seemed to have installed Debian successfully, but after boot I am greeted with a terminal to log in, and after logging in when I try startx the command isn't found.
16:18<jhutchins_lt>uldics: You do need to make a new user on the new system with the same name, and hopefully the same UID, then copy the files over. There is user information in the system besides just /home/
16:18<retrospectacus>seomthing like that. It probably won't be painless :P
16:19<jhutchins_lt>uldics: If you're going from Debian to Debian, and you're the only user, it should be the same UID. Otherwise, as root, just change the ownership of the files using chown -R user:user
16:19<fnmueller>well, it's easy, most important is not to loose the data, UID and everything else can be changed easily
16:19<retrospectacus>UID should be 1000 on both, you may check: ls -n /home
16:20<jhutchins_lt>There are other distros that start the users at 500 instead of 1000.
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16:20<uldics>that one returns: drwxr-xr-x 229 1000 1000 20480 Feb 16 22:56 uldics
16:20<uldics>1000 it is
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16:22<uldics>Ok, thanks for info, will get a new drive ASAP and try to reinstall a new Debian
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16:23<Psirus>hi
16:23<Psirus>i just tried building my own kernel
16:24<Psirus>and i think it went well…mostly, yet it doesn't boot
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16:25<jhutchins_lt>uldics: I wonder about your apt sources list - do you perhaps have "stable" instead of "lenny"?
16:25<Psirus>the boot seems the same as the generic kernel
16:25<Psirus>yet at the point where usually gdm would appear
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16:25<Psirus>the screen stays black with a flickering underscore _
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16:26<retrospectacus>Psirus, please don't flood us with sentence fragments - finish what you are saying before you press Enter
16:26<Psirus>sry
16:26<uldics>actually I have testing, or had. Now it has to be stable as I understand
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16:27<uldics>thats what I thought could be a reason for the errors
16:27<uldics>in beginning
16:27<retrospectacus>uldics: upgrading from "testing" squeeze to "testing" wheezy is probably not a good idea
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16:28<retrospectacus>uldics: but your problem is def. the HD
16:28<uldics>how do people do it in a good way then?
16:28<ramnet>Habstinat: did you select to install a desktop environment in debian installer?
16:28<ramnet>that would be why startx isn't found
16:28<retrospectacus>uldics, well the way is fine, just testing is now inundated with updates so it's a bit unstable
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16:29<Habstinat>ra
16:29<Habstinat>ramnet: I certainly didn't select not to.
16:29<retrospectacus>Psirus: I would guess your video driver is not working with the new kernel
16:30<Psirus>ok, so how would i test that?
16:30<jhutchins_lt>uldics: you should always have the release name, not the stage name.
16:30<EZmoney>did grub work at all?
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16:31<EZmoney>Psirus, did you see or install Grub?
16:31<Psirus>yes, just fine (if that was directed at me)
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16:31<K6ORJ>The "wiki.debian.org" needs to be re-written! it has an error at least for "squeeze"
16:32<retrospectacus>K6ORJ: please do
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16:32<K6ORJ>I dont' know how?
16:32<retrospectacus>you click edit
16:32<RobS>it's wiki, isn't it?
16:32<K6ORJ>Oh!
16:33<sznitzeln>hi, i just tried to create a debian-live usbstick, i dont know if it works
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16:33<sznitzeln>i first configured it to be usb-hdd and then built the image file
16:33<sznitzeln>finally used dd to write it to the USB-stick
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16:34<sznitzeln>(wrote 130MB in 0.2 sec ... i was a bit surprised by the speed)
16:34<sznitzeln>i have now booted with the USB inserted, but i think my usual system started
16:34<sznitzeln>am i missing something?
16:34<RobS>did you booted any other system from usb yet?
16:34<sznitzeln>no
16:35<EZmoney>select to boot the usb in the bios
16:35<sznitzeln>i have done that
16:35<sznitzeln>boot order 1) CD , 2) removable media 3) hdd
16:35<EZmoney>did you install Grub?
16:35<sznitzeln>on the USB?
16:35<sznitzeln>i thought it was automatic
16:35<EZmoney>yes or cd
16:35<sznitzeln>then i might not have grub on USB
16:36<RobS>hmm, the speed suprised me too...i never tried to make usb bootable just with dd. I use `unetbootin` utility.
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16:36<EZmoney>yes unetbootin works with debian well
16:36<sznitzeln>is that a linux application?
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16:36<RobS>its multiplatform
16:36<EZmoney>yes linux and windows
16:36<sznitzeln>in http://live.debian.net/manual/en/html/live-manual.html#166 , it says that a live system includes bootloader
16:37<sznitzeln>ok
16:37<sznitzeln>but should work with live helper as well right?
16:38<EZmoney>what .iso did you use?
16:38<EZmoney>http://live.debian.net/cdimage/daily-builds/squeeze/current/
16:38<sznitzeln>ah actually it says that the binary image contains the syslinux bootloader
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16:38<sznitzeln>maybe that is different from grub
16:38<sznitzeln>EZmoney, i used live helper to build the image
16:38<EZmoney>use a live cd .iso and try unetbootin
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16:39<babilen>EZmoney: shouldn't be necessary
16:39<retrospectacus>sznitzeln: Usb drives will often be "HDD" NOT "removable media" to the BIOS boot thing - you may need to edit "Hard disk priority" in BIOS
16:40<EZmoney>right shouldn't
16:40<RobS>i don't really know why, but every time i dd'ed image on usb, it didn't work...maybe i was missing something, hence - i use specialized utilities...
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16:40<retrospectacus>sznitzeln: I did exactly this yesterday
16:40<sznitzeln>retrospectacus, ah, i see i have to look again in bios then :)
16:41<babilen>the installation guide recommends/uses cat, but that doesn't really make a difference
16:41<sznitzeln>was going to show you what i wrote... http://paste.debian.net/107884/
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16:41<K6ORJ> retrospectacus: I need to double check the command that I think you told me use "m-a a-i nvidia" and that worked! The wiki says to use "m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source" but that didn't work!
16:41<babilen>"cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync"
16:42<babilen>K6ORJ: I would actually recommend to use dkms for nvidia
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16:42<sznitzeln>oh btw, babilen you remember that i used the fglrx one-liner a few days ago?
16:43<babilen>sznitzeln: yes?
16:43<sznitzeln>my screen went black
16:43<sznitzeln>and i eventually reinstalled debian...
16:43<sznitzeln>i asked about this in #ati
16:43<sznitzeln>they say that this one-liner doesnt work for squeeze
16:43*babilen hands sznitzeln some punctiation characters
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16:44<babilen>sznitzeln: Ok, lets fix it then. Why doesn't it work?
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16:44<sznitzeln>as i said, when i restarted my computer, it was completely black, i could only do anything in recovery mode
16:45<sznitzeln>atm i dont have any fglrx nor xorg drivers installed
16:45<babilen>sznitzeln: And if I remember correctly (might be another person though) I actually recommended to use the "radeon" driver
16:45<sznitzeln>i figured i want to fix the live version first to be able to experiment with drivers on it
16:45<babilen>sznitzeln: I mean, what did #ati give as reasons for it not working?
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16:45<sznitzeln>yes, but you said that i could try the one liner if "radeon" didnt work
16:45<sznitzeln>ah
16:45<K6ORJ>babilen: I have been pulling my hair out for a few days trying to get "google earth" to work and it wont work on the free drivers. I did get it going though will read up on dkms.
16:46<sznitzeln>i dont think they gave an explicit reason, but they said that it works for some distribution possibly 'sid'
16:46<sznitzeln>and another distribution it workes 'sometimes'
16:46<babilen>sznitzeln: And it was clarified by gsimmons later on that the fglrx one-liner does not work for your card? (not sure if that was you, and I don't want to look in the logs)
16:46<sznitzeln>hm, i think he said that catalyst doesnt support hd6850
16:46<sznitzeln>but i looked at ati homepage
16:47<sznitzeln>hm w8, i have to look again to see if they say its supported or not
16:47<sznitzeln>but i think it is
16:47<babilen>K6ORJ: m-a is good as well. The main difference (from your perspective) is that dkms will recompile the module whenever you install a new kernel and are not left with a "unusable" system due to version mismatch of the m-a compiled module
16:47<sznitzeln>yes, it does actually support hd6800 series: http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDCatalyst111ReleaseNotes.aspx
16:48<sznitzeln>but the person in #ati said that the echo command which edited some configuration file is not appropriate for squeeze
16:48<sznitzeln>i've seen other ppl complain in forums that their screen went completely black after installing the driver
16:48<K6ORJ>babilen: Ok so is there an easy way to switch to that or will switching corrupt my system?
16:49<babilen>K6ORJ: One second.
16:49<sznitzeln>the name of the guy was [Enrico]
16:49<babilen>K6ORJ: Probably just install the approapriate dkms package, but not sure and have to check a few things.
16:50<sznitzeln>brb, im going to try to boot my live version
16:50<babilen>sznitzeln: The echo command works. #ati is misinformed. I would be interested in the reasons why it did not work for you. Are you sure your card is supported by fglrx and the version of it in squeeze?
16:50<devil>or add the name of the source package to dkms.conf
16:50<sznitzeln>i mean its not echo which is faulted but the string after 'echo'
16:51<babilen>nothing wrong with that -- it basically just sets 'Driver "fglrx"' which is exactly what is needed
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16:51<babilen>devil: Was that Re: K6ORJ ?
16:51<devil>babilen: sry, yes
16:52<sznitzeln>ill answer your question shortly
16:52<babilen>devil: No problem, that just wasn't entirely clear. My chat disentanglement algorithms are working well and typically preserve local coherence, but not always. Too much "graphic card" talk going on :)
16:52<sznitzeln>this is the part he complained about
16:52<sznitzeln>echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf".
16:53<sznitzeln>babilen, i am sure that catalyst 11.1 supports my card
16:53<babilen>sznitzeln: Yes, I know what you/they referred to, but I can't see anything wrong with that. What should be problematic about that? Who did you talk to?
16:53<sznitzeln>babilen, i am not sure if the onliner installs the latest version of catalyst
16:53<babilen>sznitzeln: And that version is in squeeze?
16:53<sznitzeln>[enrico]
16:53<babilen>sznitzeln: ok
16:53<sznitzeln>or [enrice]
16:53<sznitzeln>sry
16:53<babilen>sznitzeln: thank you
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16:54<sznitzeln>babilen, i dont know what version is in squeeze
16:54<sznitzeln>first name [enrico] was correct
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16:55<babilen>sznitzeln: It is 10-1 -- so if your card needs >= 11-1 it is not supported by fglrx
16:55<EZmoney>to get fglrx to work on my ATI 4200 i just install the firmware-linux-nonfree
16:55<sznitzeln>ah i see
16:55<sznitzeln>i actually need 10.2 :)
16:56<sznitzeln>does fglrx occasionally update which catalyst it installs?
16:56<devil>EZmoney: fglrx does not need firmware-linux-nonfree
16:56<babilen>EZmoney: More or less, I would also recommend to install "libgl1-mesa-dri" for hardware rendering 3d support
16:56<babilen>EZmoney: And yes, that is for the "radeon" driver
16:56<EZmoney>well it did work until Installed it
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16:56<babilen>EZmoney: What worked until you installed what?
16:56<devil>EZmoney: for sure not.
16:56<EZmoney>error on every boot module does not load
16:57<babilen>fglrx?
16:57<babilen>K6ORJ: so, lets have a look.
16:57<babilen>K6ORJ: Could you give me "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" please?
16:57<EZmoney>oh yes radeon ! sorry
16:57<devil>EZmoney: :)
16:57<babilen>hehe
16:58<babilen>EZmoney: radeon needs that (and libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D)
16:58<K6ORJ>lspci -nn|grep -i vga?
16:58<EZmoney>yes,I remember now after trying this and that it all gets confusing
16:58<K6ORJ>babilen:
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16:58<K6ORJ>lspci -nn|grep -i vga?
16:58<babilen>K6ORJ: type that in your terminal and give me the result
16:59<K6ORJ>Ok
16:59<babilen>K6ORJ: sorry, could have been a bit more verbose about what I want you to do. Excuse me :)
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17:00<K6ORJ>babilen:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600] [10de:00f2] (rev a2)
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17:01<EZmoney>C00rsb33r
17:01<EZmoney>whoops
17:02<sznitzeln>babilen, may i ask, how did you check which version of catalyst is included in fglrx?
17:02<babilen>,versions fglrx-driver
17:02<judd>Package fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; wheezy/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:11-1-3
17:02<babilen>sznitzeln: or "rmadison fglrx-driver" (rmadison is in the devscripts package)
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17:04<sznitzeln>ok, but its possible to install catalyst manually to get the latest version right?
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17:06<K6ORJ>babilen: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600] [10de:00f2] (rev a2)
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17:07<babilen>K6ORJ: I've seen it. One second please (I get highlights for every message addressed to me)
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17:11<sznitzeln>babilen, are you sure about the versions in fglrx? look here http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#SupportedDevices , it says squeeze has 10.9
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17:11<babilen>sznitzeln: yes -- check the output above "squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3"
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17:12<sznitzeln>i dont know what the 1 and 3 stands for
17:12<sznitzeln>anyway, thanks a bunch for the help. gtg!
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17:12<babilen>sznitzeln: epoch and package version ...
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17:14<babilen>K6ORJ: Ok, basically you can remove the package installed by m-a and run "m-a clean" you can then follow the "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" one-liner -- I am not sure if I would actually do it. Basically m-a is good too, you just need to make sure that you recompile the module when you upgrade the kernel
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17:16<tash>so, I want to my fan being on maxspeed always, is that a good idea, and, is that posilble? is a netbook
17:17<K6ORJ>babilen: OK cool I will do this tomorrow have to get a little sleep for work now. Thank you!
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17:18<babilen>K6ORJ: Note that it is not really necessary now ...
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17:20<K6ORJ>babilen: I know just don't want things to break at a critical time if there is a kernel update.
17:20<babilen>Yes, that was my motivation for bringing dkms up
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17:22<onbes>Hey. Which language?
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17:23<devil>onbes: english please
17:23<onbes>okidoki;)
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17:25<mercutio22>Whats iceweasel's version in testing?
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17:26<devil>,versions iceweasel
17:26<judd>Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-4~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.16-4; squeeze: 3.5.16-4; wheezy: 3.5.16-4; experimental: 3.6.13-2
17:26<devil>wheezy: 3.5.16-4
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17:28<babilen>mercutio22: Which version are you after?
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17:31<K6ORJ>babilen: I use the "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" here to get the info?
17:31<babilen>K6ORJ: yes
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17:32<sahko>!judd
17:32<dpkg>well, judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI-Id and kernel config information. To get a list of commands, "/msg judd list Judd" "/msg judd list Piccy" and for usage information, "/msg judd help commandname". See also <source judd> <judd-packages> <judd-hardware>.
17:32<babilen>K6ORJ: it is in a *very* condensed format -- if you need help/explanations just let us know. make sure that you remove the nvidia driver package built and installd by m-a and "m-a clean" first
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17:33<K6ORJ>babilen: This was the response to me "mode (+l 511) by debhelper" oh wait I guess it just took about 2 minutes to respond?
17:33<devil>babilen: i never needed to remove the m-a built package to use dkms with it.
17:33<babilen>!tell K6ORJ -about nvidia dkms
17:34<devil>babilen: but things might have changed since a lot of packages have their own dkms package now
17:34<babilen>devil: ah, even better. /me always creates a clean state. So just install the dkms package?
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17:34<devil>babilen: always worked for me, yes
17:34<babilen>hehe
17:35<babilen>I guess removing won't hurt though
17:35<babilen>K6ORJ: ^^^
17:35<devil>right.
17:35<K6ORJ>OK
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17:37<K6ORJ>babilen: devil: Googleing about the package now. Thanks.
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17:41<babilen>K6ORJ: I guess that reading google results *might* confuse you. The most important aspect of this is: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Dynamic_Kernel_Module_Support and
17:41<babilen>!xorg.conf.d
17:41<dpkg>xorg can use files ending in the suffix .conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d for additional configuration. It is preferred to use an <empty xorg.conf> and create files (e.g. 20-nvidia.conf, 20-radeon.conf, 20-wacom.conf) there in order to configure a single device. You might have to create the directory yourself (mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d). See also "man 5 xorg.conf".
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17:43<K6ORJ>Thank You! I was born confused and it hasn't improved with age! babilen:
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17:46<babilen>postfix?
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18:30<aptidude>I have a problem mounting ntfs-3g in sid. I did dpkg-statoverride and added my user to fuse but am still getting in gnome "Error mount: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with:" I can manually mount it under root.
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18:38<lillecarl>aptidude, well i got same uin squeeze, but it just fixed itself :S
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18:39<samael>can anybody tell me if they have aptana
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19:13<lefedy>Quick question: Could someone point me in the right direction (config file or something) on how to edit the remote login prompt for my server?
19:13<lefedy>...I am runnin squeeze.
19:14<xor_>i updated everything in debian and it made my X11 stop working. so, i removed the directory /etc/X11/ because i thought i could purge the xorg installation and then reinstall it, in order to rebuild the config files. but it seems that there is no way to do that! :O :O -- anyone has any ideas of how i can REMOVE EVERYTHING that a debian packet has installed, and then reinstall it all?
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19:14<lefedy>xor_: try dpkg-reconfigre xserver-xorg
19:15<lefedy>...as root
19:15<xor_>lefedy: i has tried that, it does not work :(
19:15<lefedy>wow
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19:15<devil>xor_: you are on squeeze?
19:16<xor_>lenny
19:16<devil>xor_: you said you updated everything?
19:17<xor_>well. within that release
19:17<devil>xor_: can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
19:18<xor_>but still, is there no way to _remove_ all the configuration files and everything else that a debian packet has installed (except doing it manually - i dont know where all the xserver-xorg xfce4 files are)
19:18<xor_>devil: sure
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19:19<devil>xor_: and the way to remove package + config is purge, like in: apt-get purge <package>
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19:20<xor_>devil: but it does _not_ remove the /etc/X11/ directory or its content
19:20<xor_>http://pastebin.com/Tm0tPPNw
19:20<xor_>thanks for helping btw :D
19:21<devil>i have to run in a few but i will take a look
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19:23<retrospectacus>xor_, try remove Option "UseFBDev" "true" from xorg.conf
19:24<xor_>if i do that, i will end up with a working xserver-xorg config. and all that will show will be a white console in the upper left corner
19:26<xor_>ok :)
19:26<xor_>done
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19:26<devil>xor_: i gotta run, but this might help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=652038
19:27<xor_>but now i am thinking that maybe i should just update to squeeze instead
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19:29<retrospectacus>xor_: that would probably be your best bet.
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19:35<EeePC32>hallo / hello
19:36<EeePC32>ich glaube seit dem letzten distr-upgrade von gestern oder heute ist mein mauszeiger generell unter X sehr langsam
19:36<EeePC32>ich nutze das touchpad vom asus eeepc, ist glaube ich ein synaptics
19:36<abrotman>!de
19:36<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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19:37<EeePC32>sorry
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19:40<xor_>thanks for the help :)
19:40<retrospectacus>xor_: np. it's not called a community distro for nothing ;)
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19:41<babilen>!confmiss
19:41<dpkg>The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>.
19:41<EeePC32>maybe here is some help... my mouse pointer is totally slow in X in general
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19:42<EeePC32>I use the asus eeepc internal touchpad (should be synaptics)
19:42<retrospectacus>EeePC32, do you have gnome or ?
19:42<EeePC32>i use xfce4 and even in gdm login screen its rather slow
19:43<babilen>xor_: That ^^^ is the standard method to restore removed configuration files. It is typically assumed that you removed them on purpose and want them to stay that way. Also, xorg in squeeze typically configures itself automagically -- /msg dpkg empty xorg.conf -- and you only plave short snippets in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
19:43<EeePC32>and its impossible to alter its speed via mouse settings, the new value cant apply
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19:44<retrospectacus>EeePC32: check /etc/X11/xorg.conf for the touchpad's InputDevice and there are options for synaptics in there
19:45<xor_>babilen: oh
19:45<EeePC32>retrospectacus, I will, one moment pls
19:45<xor_>i will try that before updating then
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19:46<babilen>xor_: Updating what? You are already done with the lenny->squeeze upgrade described in the release notes? kernel, udev dist-upgrade everyhting?
19:46<xor_>babilen: no
19:46<EeePC32>retrospectacus, there only is one text line says: Driver "synaptics"
19:46<babilen>EeePC32: "man synaptics" -- you *should* be able to configure it with whatever mouse property thingie you are talking about though
19:47<xor_>babilen: if i can make it work, i will be much happier :) then i can start thinking on how i can fix this by updating as well
19:47<babilen>xor_: Ah, ok. You want to try that *before* you update to squeeze?
19:47<EeePC32>babilen, must be :) what puzzle me, after an apt-get upgrade this problem just appear
19:47<xor_>babilen: yes
19:47<EeePC32>before the pointer speed was normal as in windoze
19:47<babilen>EeePC32: Which version of Debian?
19:47<EeePC32>sid
19:47<babilen>EeePC32: Well, there's your answer :)
19:48<EeePC32>hm ;)
19:48<EeePC32>ok I will try stable too. niw I need to restart X to check my settings. thx for now :)
19:49<EeePC32>*now
19:49<EeePC32>bye
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19:49<babilen>That said, there is something wrong in that case and you might actually check the BTS or file a bug yourself, so the problem is noted (xserver-xorg-input-synaptics)
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19:50*babilen looks at the remaining shadow of EeePC32's existence ...
19:53<retrospectacus>oops wandered off...
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19:53<xor_>babilen: but like.. hasnt nobody ever before me removed a directory in /etc/ just to get rid of all the config files, i the hope that it could easily be reinstalled?
19:54<xor_>btw, the aptitude command didnt work :(
19:54<xor_>:)
19:55<babilen>it does, you reinstalled the wrong package
19:55<xor_>ok, the problem is that nothing starts up. i just get a white console in the upper left corner :(
19:55<xor_>it might be something like that the window manager does not start :O?
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19:55<midget>xor_: the white thing is xinit
19:55<babilen>xor_: The files in /etc/X11/ belong to a lot of different packages. Just copy it over from your backups.
19:56<xor_>oh
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19:56<babilen>xor_: I just wanted to answer the question "how can I reinstall configuration files that i deleted"
19:56<xor_>babilen: :D i learned something
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19:57<amphi>xor_: to be cautious when you blunder about in /etc ? ;)
19:57<xor_>m
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19:57<midget>I've have no backlog here... what is that about someone removed /etc conffiles?
19:58<babilen>xor_: A "mv" is typically a much better idea than a "rm"
19:58<xor_>yep
19:58<xor_>but.. if i update to squeeze, will it regrow the files? or should i just copy everything and do a huge reinstall of absolutely everything to make it work again?
19:58<xor_>or should i go through all the packages i have installed, and remove them one after another..
19:58<xor_>might destory something more :O
19:59<babilen>You don't have backups?
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19:59<xor_>i backup the virtual machines, the databases, not the /etc/X11 directory. (since that is a bonus, i never bought this machine to make it have a screen.)
20:00<babilen>xor_: If that is indeed the case I would actually recommend to backup all data you care about (/home and /etc in particular) and install squeeze from scratch. If you have a dedicated /home partition you can just keep that and reinstall.
20:01<babilen>xor_: What kind of machine is this?
20:01<xor_>i has had the machine for like 3 years, never plugged any screen into it. then my laptop that i am using has started breaking apart, so i was thinking, maybe i can has a desktop too :) so i plugged a screen into it and i was a happier person
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20:01<babilen>And I guess "the databases" implies that it is a bit of a job to reconfigure the system.
20:02<xor_>noh, it very modular and simple. the debian box doesnt contain anything at all, just a virtualbox (which i regret, but i cant change now when i started using it)
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20:02<babilen>xor_: You *could* try: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall ~i
20:03<babilen>xor_: But that *might* just replace/alter other configuration files you deleted on purpose ... Or you hunt for the correct packages -- apt-file is your friend
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20:03<xor_>babilen: thanks for helping :)
20:03<themill>dpkg -S /etc/X11
20:03<dpkg>Dingos ate my /etc/X11!
20:04<xor_>i am thinking about going to sleep and continue this tomorrow, its 02:03 here
20:04<babilen>themill: yes, i was just thinking of that ... :)
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20:04<babilen>xor_: greetings to CET then :)
20:04<xor_>i cant just go to bed after doing half this, so maybe i should start when i have lots of time :)
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20:06<xor_>thanks for the help again / goes to bed / will continue tomorrow with a fresh reinstall
20:07<Habstinat>Hi. Despite myself not choosing this, my Debian Squeeze install turned out to be a text based one. How can I switch to GUI?
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20:07<xor_>Habstinat: restart the install and select gui :)?
20:07<Stereo>Habstinat: you want a nice gui?
20:08<Stereo>are you ok with typing a couple of commands?
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20:09<Habstinat>Stereo: I know my way around a terminal, a bit. Startx isn't found.
20:09<retrospectacus>!install x
20:09<dpkg>To install X in Debian Lenny and later releases: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>.
20:09<retrospectacus>Habstinat: ^
20:09<Habstinat>xor_: I didn't select anything having to do with text installs to begin with, so something tells me the same thing would happen.
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20:09<babilen>Habstinat: please don't install X (or try) to start the graphical *installer*
20:10<babilen>Habstinat: Just select the gui installer (not the default IIRC)
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20:10<Stereo>I can't remember at which stage you're supposed to choose the gui installer
20:10<Habstinat>babilen: No, it's already installed. My installation media is out.
20:10<Stereo>maybe right when it boots?
20:10<Stereo>but Habstinat, I imagine you're happy with not having to wait through installation again
20:11<Stereo>!install gnome
20:11<dpkg>To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome
20:11<Habstinat>I selected the text based installer, but I didn't know that would give me a text-based system.
20:11<abrotman>'aptitude xorg gdm3 gnome'
20:11<Stereo>this and x should take care of the dependencies
20:11<abrotman>that's all he needs to get started
20:11<babilen>Habstinat: Ah, ok.
20:11<Stereo>and cowsay, abrotman. Don't forget cowsay.
20:12<babilen>Habstinat: Which desktop environment do you want to use?
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20:12<abrotman>he might want synaptic too
20:12<abrotman>not sure if that gets sucked in now or not
20:13<Habstinat>babilen: Gnome, but I seem to be having trouble connecting to the Internet.
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20:14<abrotman>that'd be a better place to start :)
20:15<babilen>agreed :)
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20:17<Habstinat>babilen: Just realized it. I know my Network Card requires nonfree firmware that I don't have yet, but I have an Ethernet cable plugged in that should be working.
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20:18<babilen>So, you need to install the firmware for you NIC then
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20:18<Habstinat>babilen: I only get "lo" when I do ifconfig.
20:18<sret>babilen: you're in germany right?
20:18<babilen>no
20:18<sret>oh
20:19<sret>does dpkg have a list og good hosting companies running debian?
20:19<sret>or can someone recommend one? thanks
20:20<Habstinat>babilen: My /etc/network/interfaces: "auto lo" "iface lo inet loopback"
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20:21<babilen>Habstinat: I'm off. Have a good night. You need to install firmware for you NIC. Do "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" → get the PCIID (the abcd:1234 in [] at the end → /msg judd pciid PCIID → ask dpkg about your NIC, download and install firmware, modprobe appropriate module, ifconfig -a → interface there ? → ifup IFACE
20:21<Habstinat>babilen: Thanks a lot.
20:22<babilen>Habstinat: If the NIC if working already (you can see the interface in ifconfig -a) just add a line "iface eth0 inet dhcp" to /e/n/i and try "ifup eth0"
20:22<babilen>the earlier steps are just required to identify your NIC, get information about the module that supports it and so on
20:23<babilen>Just because you said that your network card needs firmware
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20:28<babilen>Habstinat: just to conclude that -- in order to install a gnome do (either) 1. "aptitude install xorg gnome gdm3" (full-blown gnome) or 2. "aptitude install xorg gdm3 gnome-session" (absolute minimal gnome) -- \msg dpkg install gnome (to learn about the other packages) -- /mdg dpkg install x
20:29<babilen>Habstinat: Good luck and have a good night
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20:30<Habstinat>babilen: You too.
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20:31<babilen>Habstinat: #debian over at irc.freenode.net is quite busy now ... you might want to continue there. (a bunch of people are in both channels and you might get answers here too)
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21:03<cg2011>!nvidia
21:03<dpkg>Install <nouveau>, the appropriate <dkms> package in non-free for your card or use <nvidia m-a>. Ask me about <nvidia dkms> <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. Ask about <nvidia lenny> for <oldstable> procedures. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
21:04<cg2011>!alsa
21:04<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <default alsa>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net.
21:04<cg2011>!install alsa
21:04<dpkg>"aptitude -r install alsa-utils". After package installation, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels. Some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA, see <devdsp>. You may also need to install libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications on Lenny. Some ALSA drivers require firmware from userspace, ask me about <alsa firmware>. To set the default sound card, ask me about <default alsa>.
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21:05<amphi>!tell cg2011 -about selftell
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21:05<ramnet>sret: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting
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21:09<ramnet>upgraded a box from lenny to squeeze and the text on the console got tiny....how can i change it back to 80x25 characters?
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21:12<abrotman>i think it's dpkg-reconfigure console-data
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21:13<ramnet>that only appears to deal with keymap :(
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21:15<abrotman>oh, console-setup
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21:16<winsen>hello , please how to install opera and firefox ?
21:16<winsen>in debian squeeze
21:16<winsen>thank you for answer
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21:16<ramnet>firefox is iceweasel - install that
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21:17<winsen>iceweasel? what it means?
21:17<ramnet>abrotman: that was it :)
21:17<abrotman>winsen: aptitude install iceweasel
21:17<abrotman>winsen: and if you go to opera.com, they offer Debian packages for opera
21:18<winsen>thank you
21:18<winsen>and what about opera?
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21:18<winsen>ok
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21:20<agentc>winsen: i use opera always, linuxversion is better then windows one. is really stable! i did install by a .deb package, dont know it is present in squeeze. try to ask "dpkg", may there is an info
21:20<agentc>!opera
21:20<dpkg>Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite, which handles common tasks including visiting web sites and sending/receiving e-mail. Opera is Freeware (>= version 8.5), but NOT Open-Source. It is not included in Debian and therefore not supported by #debian. To install, ask me about <opera apt> and see http://wiki.debian.org/Opera . http://www.opera.com/support/ #opera on irc.opera.com.
21:21<abrotman>it's not in Debian, wecan't distribute it (yet)
21:23<agentc>abrotman: cause it is not opensource?
21:23<MrFrood>deb package on the opera site
21:23<agentc>the crashhandler of opera is pretty nice, even on a sys-crash it remember most of config data (web-url's)
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21:26<MrFrood>it also does its own windowing which means you can do 'startx opera' and still have say a pop window with an on-line radio player in it
21:27<agentc>does that mean, it do not need a window-handler for standalone usage?
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21:28<MrFrood>agentc: 'startx opera' will open an X display with only oprea in - i.e. no window amanager
21:28<flaccid>opera is closed source, but works and is packaged
21:28<flaccid>join us in ##Opera on freenode if you need or their official irc
21:29<MrFrood>Opera is the best full fat www browser for linux IMHO
21:30<agentc>i think so too
21:30<flaccid>its one of. they all have issues though
21:30<ramnet>well...you can't get much fatter than seamonkey/iceape :P
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21:31<agentc>ramnet: i use seamonkey for mailclient, but browser isnt as good. also seamonkey crashs from time to time on downloading mail, then window is freezed. dont know what happend, the first time it was running perfectly, but nowadays it gets freezing errors.
21:31<MrFrood>agentc: I spend most of time in the console and only start X for "difficult" web pages hence why I like Operas internal windowing system (also means you do things like tile web pages)
21:32<agentc>btw: is there a divx webplayer plugin for opera avail?
21:32<ramnet>agentc: i like chromium, iceweasel, and icedove .... traditional unix philosohpy of one program for one task :)
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21:33<MrFrood>alpine for email here but the mail and irc etc stuff can be disabled in Opera to save resourses
21:34<winsen><agentc> thank you for answer, what is command pleasse?
21:34<agentc>!opera
21:34<dpkg>Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite, which handles common tasks including visiting web sites and sending/receiving e-mail. Opera is Freeware (>= version 8.5), but NOT Open-Source. It is not included in Debian and therefore not supported by #debian. To install, ask me about <opera apt> and see http://wiki.debian.org/Opera . http://www.opera.com/support/ #opera on irc.opera.com.
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21:34<costas>hello I need help to configure my ice1712 driver (no sound on debian 6 amd64)
21:35<agentc>winsen: see on their website, i think there is info to et
21:35<agentc>winsen: see on their website, i think there is info to get
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21:35<MrFrood>costas: have you checked the alsa debian.wiki page?
21:35<ramnet>winsen: install instructions on the wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/Opera
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21:37<winsen>ok, as our friend <abrotman>said there's packages for opera, thank you
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21:38<winsen><ramnet>thank you very mutch
21:39<agentc>winsen: btw: did you triied to use virutalbox (oracle) ? it's usefull to boot a windows inside an emulated machine, not really slow ;=)
21:39<winsen>and what about iceweasel, there's many packages also, how doi install that?
21:39*MrFrood of course real nerds use wget & vi for web-browsing :|
21:39<ramnet><3 lynx
21:40<costas>MrFrood, soundcard worked fine on lenny, but there's no alsaconf anymore....
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21:40<MrFrood>yeah it's a differnt command for squeeze, the new command is on the wiki page
21:41<costas>sound card is configured, mixer works fine, but there's no sound, will keep reading and figure it out, if you have the direct link on debian wiki plz let me know, thanks
21:41<MrFrood>ramnet: I wimp out and use elinks in the console, I reserve lynx for gopher browsing
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21:42<jsubl2>can gnome be setup so that the scrolling the wheel mouse changes the desktop
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21:42<agentc>i dunno why kde eats all my cpu resources.
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21:42<archpollux>hi all
21:42<winsen><agentc>no i didn't use virtualbox in debian squeeze, it's my first time, but i'll do, is-it easier to install or no?
21:42<costas>found it on http://wiki.debian.org/SoundCard
21:42<ramnet>winsen: apt-get install virtualbox-ose
21:43<ramnet>have fun :)
21:43<archpollux>i can't install nvidia-glx in sid, it says: xorg-video-abi-6.0 but it is not installable or xserver-xorg-core (< 2:1.7.7) but it is not going to be installed
21:43<winsen>ok thank you
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21:44<MrFrood>costas: try to configure alsa by running the command 'alsactl init'
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21:44<ramnet>jsubl2: perhaps under gnome control center -> keyboard shortcuts?
21:45<costas>I get "Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" "ATI R6xx HDMI" "HDA:1002aa01,00aa0100,00100000" "0x18bc" "0xaa08"
21:45<costas>Hardware is initialized using a guess method
21:45<costas>"
21:45<MrFrood>costas: http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA
21:45<costas>I have 3 soundcards and the one I need to configure is the 3rd...
21:46<agentc>winsen: you can either create a HDD-imagefile, is slow, or you can mount a hole harddrive or partition for usage. when you use hole disks or partitions, remember that you should not mount a diskarea twince (hostsys <> vbox) it WILL CRASH your disksystem. so be carefull, and never boot the hostsystem in a vbox on the hostsystem, that crashs too
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21:46<MrFrood>costas: have you disabled the others?
21:46<costas>MrFrood, no
21:47<ramnet>jsubl2: putting your mouse over the workspace switcher applet on the taskbar and scrolling switches between workspaces
21:47<agentc>winsen: when you want to mount a partition which is mounted under you lin-hostsystem than mount it readonly in vbox
21:47<Arrowmaster>archpollux: i think a new version of the propriatary nvidia and flglx drivers are need to be created by their upstreams to work with the new version of xorg
21:47<winsen>what about iceweasel, does anyone install it? i tested but it needs to install lot of pacjkages, do i install them one by one?
21:47<MrFrood>costas: might be worth a try
21:48<costas>I'll reboot and check if it is fixed... thanks MrFrood
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21:48<ramnet>winsen: apt-get install iceweasel should pull in everything it needs
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21:54<winsen><ramnet>that's true , i thaught realy that it needs to install packages..thank you very putch<agentc>you mean VBX mount a partition
21:54<archpollux>Arrowmaster: ugh... thanks. i can't seem to find nv though
21:54<Arrowmaster>i thought i heard nv was being discontinued too
21:55<archpollux>grrr
21:55<archpollux>i guess i need to use fbdev
21:55<Arrowmaster>try the other one that i can never remember the spelling of, nouveua
21:55<Arrowmaster>or something like that
21:55<archpollux>Arrowmaster: AH that's the one
21:55<archpollux>Arrowmaster: thanks!
21:55<archpollux>nouveau
21:56<Arrowmaster>i almost had it!
21:56<cg2011>the cat/proc/asound/cards says: 0 [HDMI ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI
21:56<cg2011> HDA ATI HDMI at 0xf9010000 irq 17
21:56<cg2011> 1 [UART ]: MPU-401 UART - MPU-401 UART
21:56<cg2011> MPU-401 UART at 0x330, irq 5
21:56<cg2011> 2 [II ]: ICE1724 - Albatron K8X800 Pro II
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21:59<winsen>agentc>sorry, i didn't understand what you mean , when you said
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21:59<archpollux>Arrowmaster: what the heck is /dev/dri/*?
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22:01<Arrowmaster>i dont know
22:01<winsen><agentc>about vbx, you mean that u've to to mount diskarea of vbx in another partitions , and never in system host
22:02<winsen><agentc>sorry my english is not well
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22:06<agentc>winsen/ramnet: i meant, when you running a vbox and try to boot the hostsys which is running, it will crash the filesystem, thats also when you are going to access a partition which is also under use in hostsystem. to supress errors you have to enable that drive as readonly in vbox!! else it WILL CRASH
22:06<agentc>winsen/ramnet: that means complete data loose!
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22:08<ramnet>for virtualbox it's better to use files as drives instead of mounting real system partitions. and no, you can't mount a filesystem inside a guest os that is mounted on the host os.
22:08<cg2011>MrFrood, thanks, it works fine now
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22:09<Flimzy>What is the current state of hibernation in squeeze with the non-free nvidia drivers? Does it work?
22:09<winsen>agentc>yes i did with winxp host and ubuntu, but neither with debian
22:09<agentc>ramnet: its possible to mount in vbox when is also mounted in hostsys. but that would crash the filesys. when 2 filesys-driver access to the drive without syncing allocation tables, then there only remains data-trash on that partition.
22:10<winsen>agentc>yes i did with winxp host and ubuntu, but i did not with debian
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22:10<agentc>winsen: remember my words, when you're going to mount real partions/drives
22:12<cg2011>!beer MrFrood
22:12*dpkg pours a pint of Bornem Tripple for MrFrood
22:13<agentc>winsen: i say it to you before you have data-loose. make sure that drives in vbox are only used by vbox, either you need to set it up for readonly in vbox. myself using the fileserv disk in vbox too, but i cant write to that disk without data-crash. the reason is, that writeerrors cames from 2 filesystems writing to the disk with different machine-states.
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22:13<agentc>winsen: so, never do that when you love your data-indexes... :-=)
22:14<agentc>!beer cg2011
22:14*dpkg pours a quart of Spaten Pils for cg2011
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22:15<winsen><agentc>you mean when you arrive to choose between : 1 create new new hard disk or 2 : use existing hard disk, it's better to choose the new hard disk , is it what you mean?
22:18<winsen>i see , you are speaking about share_foulder between real machine and virtuals, i am agree with you
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22:19<winsen><agentc>i think so
22:19<winsen>i am testing to install opera, but i can't,
22:23<agentc>winsen: no, in vbox you have to create a conf-file to access real disks/partitions. this will be installed by the diskmanager (inside vbox-menu) then U can mount. if you need to do this, i can assist you. if you do yourself, be carefull.
22:25<agentc>winsen: in that case google for virtualbox physical disc mount ; or other keywords, there is a documenation about how to do!
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22:28<winsen><agentc>ok thank you very mutch , i am taking note
22:29<stderr_dk>I wish I knew why gnome-panel depends on libgweather1...
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22:31<winsen><agentc> can you guive me you email?
22:32<agentc>winsen: admin (at) mitlab.de
22:33<agentc>winsen: take visit to my webpage, for impression only. contact me if i can help you, brother
22:33<agentc>winsen: http://www.mitlab.de
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22:34<winsen>ok, thank you, is it your website?
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22:35<agentc>winsen: yep, running on a virtual private server (hetzner online) with linux lenny, apache2, xmail, ircd (unreal), eggdrop, infobot etc....
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22:37<agentc>winsen: liked to learn you, do you send me contactinfo ? maybe we could share knowledge...
22:37<winsen><agentc>very good, i'll be happy to be penfriend with you
22:38<agentc>:-)
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22:38<winsen>hope brother, we could share knowledge
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22:39<agentc>!brain
22:39<dpkg>something you don't have, agentc.
22:39<agentc>:-))
22:42<agentc>winsen: do you like to take a look to an experimental os-sys written in T-ASM ? we tried it out of learning project. if yes, i can serve that through my server to you
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22:44<winsen><agentc> os-sys written in T-ASM?
22:44<agentc>winsen: http://devkit.gotdns.com/tmp/19980601_hos_3.zip
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22:44<winsen>what is it ?
22:45<agentc>winsen: 50 kb/s upstream only, it is the source of an experimental unfinished operation system
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22:46<agentc>winsen: it can boot up, using protected mode with flat-memory management. textconsole and so on, but that is just the little basic for a kernel, project was stopped 1999
22:48<winsen><agentc>ok, that's why i couldn't extract files
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22:49<winsen>where are from?
22:49<winsen><agentc>where are you from?
22:49-!-alexcrash [~quassel@ip-83-149-3-136.nwgsm.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:50<agentc>winsen: unzip either with pkzip / unzip, or use windows commander / total commander. .... this archive is created by me and tronical (tronical is kde developer)
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22:50<agentc>winsen: dont ask about tronical, it is maybe 13 years ago i saw him last time
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22:52<agentc>agentc: it was experience in life, he did the memory-management source, and the linker (plink) , i did the relocation source, textconsole etc. but all others we did it together
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22:54<agentc>winsen: when you see the source, DLM means dynamicly loadable module, which is not finished, but for some events its working. generally this source is unuseable cause incomplete, but a good expirience how an operation system is starting from begin ... :-)
22:54<winsen>agentc>i see , and you work in witch socity?
22:55<agentc>winsen: i'm lonly, but i am here when somebody want contact or help
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22:55<jordanb>why isi ceweasel so far behind firefox?
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22:56<winsen>agentc>i am sure that i've to learn more with you
22:56<jordanb>I can't believe firefox 3.6 was released over a year ago and debian testing is still on 3.5
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22:56<winsen>i mean i'll learn....
22:57<sahko>i would be more than happy if it were still 1.5
22:57<agentc>winsen: :=) maybe :) i can show you where to get all that knowledge, but you have to learn yourself
22:57<sahko>that thing was fast
22:57<sahko>but so is 4
22:57<jordanb>yeah it was pretty bloat free but it'd be so far behind current web standards
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22:58<jordanb>sahko: But if debian can't even get 3.6, how long will we have to wait for 4?
22:58<winsen><agentc>it's true
22:58<sahko>jordanb: theres mozilla binary builds available which are very easy to use
22:59<sahko>if you're in a hurry
22:59<syndicate>or http://mozilla.debian.net/
22:59*amphi mumbles midori
22:59<winsen><agentc>and knowledge is + infinity
22:59<jordanb>syndicate: Cool!
23:00<agentc>winsen: infinity when we leave information for others when we go
23:00<agentc>winsen: immortal when we leave information for others when we go
23:01<agentc>winsen: existence is not only the physical body of a human
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23:02<syndicate>midori is a nice browser too
23:02<syndicate>if you just need a simple web browser
23:02<amphi>syndicate: as opposed to what?
23:02<abrotman>agentc: have you been to #debian-offtopic ?
23:03<sahko>firefox has the only bearable implemention of adblock
23:03<syndicate>iceweasel 3.5..., midori feels so much lighter
23:03<agentc>abrotman: sorry, im quit
23:04<winsen>i am agree with you 100% in condition knowledge you guive brings good things and not bad
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23:04<syndicate>feature-wise, iceweasel/firefox is unbeatable through the use of add-ons/extensions
23:04<agentc>winsen: out of offtopic, private query ?
23:04<amphi>sahko: I see no adverts with the adblock extension in midori
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23:04<winsen>ok
23:04<sahko>amphi: it has it built in?
23:05<jordanb>wtf
23:05<jordanb>this package requires xulrunner 2.0 which isn't even in debian experiementl
23:05<amphi>yes; you must configure what filter lists to use
23:05<amphi>sahko: ^^
23:05<sahko>right, didnt remember that
23:05<yondering>jordanb, try prism
23:06<amphi>sahko: and enable the extension ;)
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23:07<jordanb>prism?
23:08<syndicate>i think xulrunner 2 is available at mozilla.debian.net
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23:09<jordanb>damn
23:09<jordanb>yeah it is.
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23:09<jordanb>but it looks like there's no way I could get it on testing without upgrading half my system to experimental. :<
23:09<jordanb>I was getting excited
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23:19<syndicate>perhaps you could use the official binary build from mozilla
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