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00:02<Huns>hi. is there some way to get the debian installer to install i386? my hosting provider swears up and down they put a 386 cd in the drive but when I run arch after the install I get x86_64.
00:04<sney>the current debian 6 netinstall iso is hybrid
00:04<sney>that is, it can do either/or and I believe makes the decision based on autodetection
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00:04<Huns>is there a way to force it to i386? there's no option I was able to find
00:06<sney>I'm not sure, the best way would probably be to fedex your host the actual disc you want them to use
00:06<Huns>LOL
00:06<sney>but why do you want to install i386 if your hardware is amd64?
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00:06<Huns>amd64 has broken things (like alien)
00:06<sney>ahh, alien .
00:07<Huns>basically it's been tooth and nail getting my stuff set up on this machine, whereas the 32-bit debian machines I have elsewhere have always just worked
00:07<Huns>like it wouldn't run stuff I put in /etc/init.d and symlinked to /etc/rc2.d, or give me any error messages at all, whereas the exact same procedure on 32-bit just worked.
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00:08<sney>sounds like you have a specialized setup. ok, more realistic version of the fedex option: link your host to the i686 cd1 iso, and tell them you want them to use EXACTLY THAT image for the install
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00:14<Some_Person>If you install using CD1, do you get different stuff if you have an active internet connection vs not having one?
00:14<Huns>good question
00:15<Huns>I'll try installing it but not telling it to check mirrors
00:15<Huns>or just not configure eth0
00:15<Some_Person>Someone on freenode just told me they installed but got a full desktop with a lot of stuff (openoffice, etc.) when they installed with one, but when I installed without, I got a more minimal desktop
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00:16<Some_Person>The only differences in our installs as far as I can tell is that I didn't have an active internet connection and that I did it back when squeeze was RC1
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00:21<daniel>hello ™
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00:31<Huns>reinstalled with the i386 iso (even checked the dvd label) and didn't configure eth0 and it STILL installed x86_64. I am absolutely amazed
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00:32<Huns>why on earth would debian even have a 386 iso if it has 64-bit packages LOL
00:32<sney>something is going wrong
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00:33<Huns>here's the problem: someone made the assumption "no one could possibly want to install the 32 bit version on a 64-bit machine"
00:33<syndicate>could be sources.list
00:33<Huns>maybe
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00:43<atperez>Greetings.
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00:45<Huns>is anyone who has knowledge of the debian installer present. would really like to know how to override architecture auto-detect
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00:47<bones_was_here>hmm
00:47<sney>Huns: try contacting the installer team. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ at the bottom
00:47<bones_was_here>interesting problem, must be new in squeeze, lenny i386 used to install fine on amd64 hardware
00:48<sney>it seems to be the hybrid installer cd is detecting his amd64 hardware and not offering an option
00:48<Huns>the dvd label even says i385
00:48<Huns>*386
00:48<kblessinggr>so was curious if there was anything similar to BSD jails on debian squeeze
00:48<bones_was_here>do the netinstall images have this hybrid feature?
00:49<sney>bones_was_here: yep
00:49<sney>well, the default one linked on debian.org anyway
00:49<atperez>When using directfb [and with nvidia drivers], is it possible to set FRAMEBUFFER environment variable to /dev/nvidia0?
00:49<Huns>I will probably have to figure out some way to use debootstrap to force an install of the i386 version w/ chroot which sounds about as easy as a root canal
00:51<bones_was_here>atperez: you should not use any framebuffer drivers with the proprietary nvidia drivers - doing so can cause crashes and other odd behaviour (not sure about your question, i never tried doing it - my nvidia crashes often enough without a framebuffer driver running)
00:51<Some_Person>One of my friends installed squeeze i386 on an amd64-supporting machine -- he had no issues
00:51<sney>Huns: debootstrap is not bad, actually.. it's a good idea
00:52<Huns>did he install it or does he think he installed it? :)
00:52<Huns>tell him to run arch and see if it says x86_64
00:52<Some_Person>He did. He tried to compile something that required amd64 and it complained
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00:52<atperez>Thanks for your info, bones.
00:53<Some_Person>So yeah, he really had i386
00:53<Huns>then your friend is luckier than I am
00:54<Some_Person>Besides, how can one CD contain packages for *both* architectures? I don't think there's room
00:54<Huns>is there some way to specify architecture in sources.list? maybe I can do a dist-upgrade and it will magically work.
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00:54<Huns>the label on the DVD shows up in the installer. it specifically says i386
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00:56<Some_Person>Maybe the DVD version does this check? My friend used the CD version
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00:58<Some_Person>By the way, you said you installed with no internet connection? Does it differ from if you install with one?
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00:58<Huns>tried it both ways. no change.
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00:59<Some_Person>Ah, but you used the DVD, which makes it different anyway from me
00:59<Huns>this literally makes me want to punch things
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01:14<Arrowmaster>its not an amd64 kernel with an i386 userspace is it?
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01:18<Huns>arch says it's 64-bit
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01:23<Arrowmaster>thats just the kernel arch though right?
01:24<syndicate>file `which cat`
01:24<syndicate>to check the userland arch
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01:43<Huns>well what do you know
01:43<Huns>you're right
01:44<Huns>now to see if alien actually works in this distro
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01:46<doubledutch>http://debian.pastebin.com/wGTjY7tE I am EXTREMELY worried about this. Using Debian Wheezy on an AMD/nVidia Desktop (i386) and I stuck a 4gb Flash Drive into the USB - and got a popup dialogue box with this Kernel Error! First one I've ever seen!
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01:47<doubledutch>http://www.kerneloops.org/submitresult.php?number=43491
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01:49<doubledutch>Should I be extremely worried about this/attempt to format this flash drive?
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01:49<And1>Good morning. Yesterday everything was fine, now I got a problem with my raid. It seems one partition is missing in 'cat /proc/partitions'. Though other partitions from this device are listed. Any ideas what may be the problem?
01:50<doubledutch>Regarding the above issue, any emails to bweaster@gmail.com will be met with great joy and possible reward! Must leave on short notice! Thank anybody whom is willing/able!
01:50<bones_was_here>doubledutch: 2.6.32 sucks, i dont know why debian used it for a stable release :( i have a machine that hard locks when running 2.6.32, if i plug a flash drive in/out a couple of times
01:50<doubledutch>Really. Wow. THANK YOU bones_was_here!
01:51<bones_was_here>my advice: compile a newer kernel
01:51<bones_was_here>2.6.37 is a nice release
01:51<doubledutch>I will continue to look into it tomorrow.
01:51<doubledutch>Roger that, thank-you!
01:51<Arrowmaster>2.6.32 runs stable for everybody else
01:51<bones_was_here>not quite everybody
01:51<jm_>doubledutch: also check for other kernel messages (dmesg) at the same time
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01:52<Arrowmaster>doubledutch: that flash drive is ntfs formated?
01:52<And1>Here's my dmesg, /proc/partitions and /proc/mdstat http://suckr.net/dmesg.txt -- using debian sid, 2.6.37 ... fs is ext4.
01:53<bones_was_here>2.6.32 also causes a massive spam of interrupts related to the IPMI interface on a server i have, doesnt happen with other kernel versions
01:54<bones_was_here>dealing with all the interrupts hogs half a cpu core, increases power draw, and prevents the IPMI interface from actually working
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02:05<bones_was_here>And1: your dmesg looks like the system booted with md4 already in a degraded state, do you have syslog from when the device failure event occured?
02:06<And1>bones_was_here: How would I find out when that was?
02:06<bones_was_here>check root's email on the system
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02:06<bones_was_here>mdadm in its default config emails root whenever there's an event
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02:06<And1>"No mail for root."
02:07<And1>Also not for my user.
02:07<And1>Strange.
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02:07<And1>Damn I've got to go to work. I'll ask again later on when I'm back home... thanks so far!
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02:08<ultra420>hello...anybody could help me with my debian screen resolution
02:08<ultra420>i use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" but nothing happen
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02:08<ultra420>gnome's resolution is 1024X768 now.
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02:08<ultra420>i wanted it to be 1440X900
02:09<bones_was_here>And1: you might have to search syslogs if there is no mail (but you should probably look into fixing that, you need to know when there's an array event)
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02:10<jm_>!modes
02:10<dpkg>Usually X autodetects the resolutions and display modes supported by your hardware; use <xrandr> to list and switch between them. If autodetection fails or isn't good enough, you will need to create an <xorg.conf> and set the HorizSync/VertRefresh values for your monitor, and possibly add a Modeline. See 'man xorg.conf' for details and ask me about <modeline>.
02:10<jm_>ultra420: ^^^^^
02:10<bones_was_here>And1: actually by default it would probably have emailed a user that is aliased for root in /etc/aliases - that user may not exist anymore
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02:11<ultra420>i used xrandr but the best resolution is 1024X768...and others are 800X600
02:12<ultra420>hi... dear jm_ . i m newbie here ,i do typed very slow
02:12<ultra420>i do google for a long time...but i didnt solve this problem yet
02:12<ultra420>so i came here for help....
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02:15<jm_>then you need to read you X logfile to find out why that is so
02:16<ultra420>okay thanks .i ll read the log again...
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02:17<ultra420>dear jm_ i read the log,and i found: Not using default mode "1440x900" (hsync out of range)
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02:18<ultra420>than means my lcd not support 60hz when the resolution is 1440x900
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02:20<bones_was_here>some LCDs report incorrect or incomplete EDID information - in which case autodetection won't set the correct mode, since the LCD claims it can't support it
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02:21<bones_was_here>(that isn't necessarily the case here)
02:21<toloykhan_>hello there any one have knowledge with iptables
02:22<ultra420>hey,dear toloykhan_ you could just typed ur question here ,that would be better
02:22<bones_was_here>!ask
02:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
02:22<toloykhan_>i need to know where is the iptables log stored, the statement
02:22<toloykhan_><dissipate> uRock, thanks for trying to find i
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02:23<toloykhan_>ultra420, thanx this is the statement $IPTABLES -A TCPF_CHECK -p tcp --tcp-flags ALL FIN,URG,PSH -m limit \
02:23<toloykhan_> --limit 5/minute -j LOG --log-level 7 --log-prefix "NMAP-CHECK:"
02:23<ultra420>wooo..it is much too complicated for me..
02:24<toloykhan_>i need where is the log stored to view it , i use ubuntu 10.04
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02:25<bones_was_here>toloykhan_: it goes to syslog by default (and it'll appear in dmesg too)
02:25<bones_was_here>iptables is a front end for the kernel's netfilter code, so the output from it is part of the kernel's output
02:25<bones_was_here>see: man 8 iptables
02:26<toloykhan_>bones_was_here, how to view it ?
02:26<ultra420>he just told you to man iptables
02:26<bones_was_here>toloykhan_: dmesg, or tail -f /var/log/dmesg for live updates
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02:27<bones_was_here>toloykhan_: also:
02:27<bones_was_here>!ubuntu
02:27<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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02:29<toloykhan_>bones_was_here, is there any way to view it by the prefix i specified
02:29<ultra420>man iptalbes
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02:30<bones_was_here>toloykhan_: prefix?
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02:31<bones_was_here>you can grep the output, eg tail -f /var/log/dmesg | grep NMAP-CHECK but you still need to use the dmesg interface
02:31<toloykhan_>yeah the prefix on iptables statement $IPTABLES -A TCPF_CHECK -p tcp --tcp-flags ALL FIN,URG,PSH -m limit \
02:31<toloykhan_> --limit 5/minute -j LOG --log-level 7 --log-prefix "NMAP-CHECK:"
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02:31<bones_was_here>anyway i must catch a bus now, bye
02:31<toloykhan_>its here "NMAP-CHECK:"
02:32<toloykhan_>bones_was_here , its here "NMAP-CHECK:"
02:32<ultra420>deary toloykhan_ ;you could man iptalbes and then typed /--log-level
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02:42<Psirus>hi, I tried to address this yesterday…I have tried to build my own kernel, and I think it went rather smooth…however, it doesn't boot. the boot proccess is normal until the point where it usually switches to gdm…all i get now is a blank screen with a flickering underscore…any ideas?
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02:46<insmod>Psirus; easy
02:47<Psirus>yes, so?
02:48<fatzgenfatz>Hello, can anyone help me with grub? I want (or have to) boot win7 as default and I don't know what I have to write to /etc/default/grub as "grub_default". Is it the number as it shows in the grub boot menu?
02:48<insmod>Psirus; video card isn't set at proper resolution or driver
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02:49<Psirus>so how would i go about changing that…it is running on the proprietary nvidia driver btw
02:49<insmod>Psirus; just use startx at lower res or screen if that works i am right -- is it nvidia or ati - you prob never built that into the kernel
02:49<jm_>fatzgenfatz: which version of grub?
02:50<insmod>Psirus; there i t is
02:50<jm_>Psirus: did you rebuild nvidia module for new kernel version?
02:50<insmod>nvidia
02:50<Psirus>probably not…how do I do that?
02:50<insmod><jm_ i guess no
02:50<jm_>depends on which packages you are using: put it on a pastebin: dpkg -l | grep nvidia
02:51<insmod>Psirus; i would dl the nvidia file at the site then run the run file
02:51<jm_>don't use nvidia installer if you want support from #debian
02:51<insmod>jm_ no just install it then done
02:52<fatzgenfatz>@jm I use grub2
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02:52<jm_>fatzgenfatz: which version? dpkg -l grub-pc
02:52<fatzgenfatz>@jm 1.98+20100804
02:52<insmod>jm_ he will if he wants proprietary
02:52<jm_>insmod: no, debian has it packaged
02:53<Psirus>http://debian.pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UAmx5vc5
02:53<insmod>jm_ not the latest and greatest
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02:54<jm_>fatzgenfatz: right, just set GRUB_DEFAULT to the desired number
02:55<insmod>Psirus; http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us
02:55<fatzgenfatz>jm_: ok, I have 8 entries in the grub menu, so I have to enter grub_default=7 so it will start the last one?
02:56<jm_>fatzgenfatz: looks like it yes, just remember that this number will change if you install additional kernels
02:56<jm_>Psirus: use m-a
02:56<daniel>there is a striking parallel between 1.- how the institutions of higher education want well-rounded citizens but only accept or award a selected few. and, 2.- how copyright holders are interested in IP but restrict IP so that only few people can use it..
02:56<fatzgenfatz>jm_: ok, thanks a lot! :)
02:56<jm_>fatzgenfatz: no worries
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02:58<fatzgenfatz>jm_: works as desired, thanks again and have a nice day! bye
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03:00<Psirus>i tried using m-a, how do I tell it to install the module for the new kernel?
03:01<jm_>m-a a-i nvidia
03:01<jm_>then dpkg -i /usr/src/nvidia....deb
03:01<Psirus>i'm running the "old", generic kernel atm
03:01<jm_>ok you need to boot in the one or tell m-a which kernel to build it for
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03:05<Psirus>exactly, is there a way to tell it that?
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03:07<jm_>it is, but with lenny it doesn't quite work right; the version in squeeze is completely rewritten and I think it should work there
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03:08<Psirus>well, i'm on wheezy, so I should be good?
03:08<jm_>yup
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03:10<daniel>is anyone really pissed about copyright here? ™
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03:12<Psirus>I still don't know how I tell it to use a different kernel version than the one I'm running
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03:13<jm_>check its --kvers-list switch
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03:16<costas>hello all
03:18<jmm_>hi.
03:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 478] by debhelper
03:19<costas>Spam on (feel free to hear my music on www.costasg.co.nr) spam off
03:19<daniel>slightly curious
03:19<costas>goodmorning jmm_
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03:21<costas>daniel I've been playing guitar for about 34 years -minus 10 years that I was playing piano...
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03:23<daniel>that must mean you were still playing guitar while you were learning piano but focused more on piano
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03:23<costas>debian still rulez... time out, smoking time for me. enjoy the music
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03:28<costas>I got a masters in harmony..., daniel I loved piano, but I focused on guitars because it's easier to express myself
03:28<costas>I'm recording a soundtrack and a metal album now...
03:30<costas>but I produce my own music in my home studio... Tried Ubuntu studio, but I'm testing debian 6 as well with "muse" and other apps...
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03:31<costas>Ubuntu 10.04 isn't good enough... but the preempt kernel works for us musicians well enough...
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03:32<costas>Of course since I am a pro I have to use windows to record in Cubase etc, since many artists don't have a clue about linux here in Greece
03:33<costas>at least Ubuntu is taught in greek universities, that's a plus
03:33<jmm_>!offtopic
03:33<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
03:34<costas>sorry about that jmm_
03:34<jmm_>np.
03:34<costas>!beer jmm_
03:34*dpkg deftly decants a fine Stone Arrogant Bastard for jmm_
03:35<jmm_>hehe thanks.
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03:36<costas>debian should be taught here..., how is debian spreading in your country jmm_ ?
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03:37<jmm_>I think it's spreading quite well here in france.but he let's use #debian-offtopic for this.
03:37<costas>ok
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03:58<ultra420>hello..
03:58<ultra420>finnally i fixed my problem
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03:59<ultra420>i edit the xorg.conf(backup first);i add modeline into the section "monitor" ;use gtf 1024 768...
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04:13<bosyi>hello. i need to install kernel 2.6.37 instead of 2.6.32. i have link http://packages.debian.org/experimental/kernel/ , but i dont know what to do next. can you tell me if there is faq?
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04:14<jm_>bosyi: download it and install it with dpkg
04:15<bosyi>jm_, all that files?
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04:15<jm_>bosyi: which all files?
04:15<costas>!kernel
04:15<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20110217, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.38-rc5-git1, mainline 2.6: 2.6.38-rc5, stable 2.6: 2.6.37 , stable 2.6.36: 2.6.36.3 , longterm 2.6.35: 2.6.35.11 , stable 2.6.35: 2.6.35.9 , longterm 2.6.34: 2.6.34.8 , stable 2.6.34: 2.6.34.7 , longterm 2.6.32: 2.6.32.28 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.28 , longterm 2.6.27: 2.6.27.58 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.57 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.11
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04:17<bosyi>from were can i download them?
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04:18<jm_>you have a link on packages.debian.org
04:18<costas>bosyi, the easiest way is from synaptic,if you're new to debian
04:18<costas>but you can easily download the kernel and use dpkg -i (kernelname)
04:19<costas>from a terminal...
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04:21<bosyi>costas, i dont have such packets in synaptic (2.6.37). from were can i download them?
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04:30<bosyi>can you help me please? where i can get kernel 2.6.37
04:31<MeglaW>apt-cache search image* |grep 2.6.37
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04:32<bosyi>MeglaW, nothing, empty
04:32<jm_>wait for a while until it shows up in "unstable"
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04:32<MeglaW>no sory lol its called linux-image lol
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04:33<MeglaW>i only see up to .32 ;)
04:33<bosyi>MeglaW, maybe i dont have repository
04:34<MeglaW>bosyi: apt-cache search linux-image* |grep 2.6.3 will give you a list of what your sources can see
04:35<MeglaW>that contains "2.6.3" and starts with "linux-image" that the kernel images do
04:35<bosyi>so what is solution?
04:35<MeglaW>add a source for later kernels ;)
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04:35<bosyi>how?
04:36<MeglaW>if its not in my weezy repos tho, i donno if its gonna work out great using it hehe
04:36<SynrG>bosyi: it has just entered sid but may not be entirely through the NEW queue and out to the mirrors yet.
04:36<MeglaW>find one and add it into /etc/apt/sources.list
04:36<SynrG>otherwise, it's in experimental
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04:37<alch3mist>hi
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04:37<bosyi>and how i can install it from experimental?
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04:37<alch3mist>can any1 offer me help with backtrack4?
04:38<SynrG>!bt4
04:38<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
04:38<alch3mist>thank you
04:39<alch3mist>sorry, i just installed it a month ago and learning all the little nooks n crannies
04:40<alch3mist>im also new to the IRC
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04:41<SynrG>bosyi: at my mirror, sid has 2.6.37 now
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04:42<SynrG>!tell bosyi about pinning
04:42<jm_>SynrG: including actual arch images?
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04:43<SynrG>jm_: Filename: pool/main/l/linux-latest-2.6/linux-image-amd64_2.6.37+30_amd64.deb
04:43<SynrG>(from sid's Packages)
04:43<jm_>SynrG: out of curiosity, which mirror is it?
04:43<SynrG>mirror.its.dal.ca
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04:44<jm_>ahh it's there indeed, I was looking in linux-2.6 :)
04:45<SynrG>mhm. i guess they need them split still
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04:45<SynrG>(i would have thought linux-2.6 too)
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04:48<SynrG>jm_,bosyi: ahh, crap. no, that's not the arch-specific image
04:49<SynrG>that's the generic 'latest' metapackage
04:49<SynrG>(and i should know better, i do know the difference :P)
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04:49<jm_>SynrG: yeah that's what I found on pdo and it only showed linux-image-2.6 with this version, but no actual images
04:50<SynrG>E: Package 'linux-image-2.6.37-1-amd64' has no installation candidate
04:50<jm_>yup, packages.qa says unsatisfied dependencies
04:50<SynrG>!tell bosyi about experimental
04:50<SynrG>jm_: yeah, that's where i just checked
04:51<SynrG>note to self: don't answer questions on #debian before coffee
04:51<MeglaW>lol
04:52<babilen>!coffee SynrG
04:52*dpkg decants a fine mug of organic Tanzanian for SynrG, courtesy of babilen
04:52<SynrG>it's on its way. just finished grinding some home roasted kenyan.
04:52<SynrG>but thanks, babilen :)
04:53<babilen>No problem. The "don't support before coffee" rule is quite an important one :)
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05:34<AlexC223>how do I know what dh_* helps I need in my debian/rules file? I'm trying to create a custom package, but things just don't seem to be going nicely (errors on another machine not access to right now), just wanting to get info
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05:39<webmind_org>Hi all, seems like the disk utility in gnome can do things with the harddisks withi=out root permission. this is not a safe thing.
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05:52<babilen>webmind_org: What do you mean?
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05:57<gernot>Hi. I removed the nvidia drivers to see how nouveau does these days. Everything is working great, except the fact that my laptop is getting way too hot. I read something about nouveau not yet supporting power management which makes sense. I just want to double-check that there is nothing I can do quick.
05:58<webmind_org>babilen: I got an encrypted external Hd, and with the gnome disk-utility i can erase the drive without any permissions.
05:59<webmind_org>Just start the disk-utility and destroy your drives, be carefull !
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06:01<fosser_josh>hello hackers, i am setting up dns using bind9 and using this documentation http://linux.justinhartman.com/DNS_Installation_and_Setup_using_BIND9#Configure_the_Master_DNS_Server. but in this documentation they given file name /etc/init.d/sysklogd which i am unable to find. dose anybody have idea about it/
06:01<Myon>fosser_josh: rsyslog
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06:02<webmind_org>babilen: i mean you can destroy drives as normal user, you don't have to become superuser
06:02<fosser_josh>Myon: i need to change SYSLOGD="" to SYSLOGD="-a /var/lib/named/dev/log" but i am not getting where to do those changes in rsyslog file
06:03<Myon>$AddUnixListenSocket /var/spool/postfix/dev/log
06:03<Myon>fosser_josh: there should be an example in /etc/rsyslog.d/postfix.conf
06:04<fosser_josh>Myon: no there is no as such file
06:05<fosser_josh>Myon: $AddUnixListenSocket /var/spool/postfix/dev/log is this instruction for me?
06:05<Myon>yes, but use your brain to fix it
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06:06<jm_>gernot: yes I think that's still missing in nouveau
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06:07<fosser_josh>Myon: wait wait i am getting confused. My main problem is to change SYSLOGD="" to SYSLOGD="-a /var/lib/named/dev/log" but i am not getting where to do those changes in rsyslog file
06:07<gernot>jm_, thank you.
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06:08<El_Rico>hi, is there a way to install the recommends of all pachages that yre currently installed?
06:08<El_Rico>i tried to run it along the lines of "aptitude -s -r reinstall ~i" but that didn't do the trick
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06:09<Myon>fosser_josh: /etc/rsyslog.d/whatever.conf
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06:12<fosser_josh>Myon: well there is no file in /etc/rsyslog.d/ folder. so by creating postfix.conf in it and adding $AddUnixListenSocket /var/spool/postfix/dev/log this line to postfix.conf will work?
06:12<oliver>ola
06:13<fosser_josh>Myon: i am beginner so i have not much more idea about all these things
06:13<Myon>fosser_josh: why don't you skip the chroot then and use the default?
06:14<fosser_josh>Myon: see i am following this manual http://linux.justinhartman.com/DNS_Installation_and_Setup_using_BIND9#Configure_the_Master_DNS_Server. so i am doing all those things which are given in manual. i have not much more knowledge in this
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06:16<guay>ola
06:16<Ferdo>OLA
06:17<Ferdo>QE PASA?
06:17<guay>como te va ferdo
06:17<Ferdo>mu biaem
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06:17<guay>y como te va con tu novia
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06:20<fosser_josh>Myon: i tried to skip that sysklogd step but now my setup is not working
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06:22<themill>!es-social Ferdo guay
06:22<dpkg>Ferdo guay: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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06:30<fosser_josh>Myon: can u tell me OPTIONS="-u bind" in file /etc/default/bind9 stands for what
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06:31<petemc>fosser_josh: man named
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06:36<fosser_josh>can anybody give me proper manual of setting up dns in debian
06:37<webmind_org>go to www.webmind.org or in dutch www.pc5.nl
06:37<webmind_org>there is a bind page
06:38<petemc>http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/network-administrator/ch-bind.html
06:38<webmind_org>these are dm howto's
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06:40<fosser_josh>petemc: i read that manual but there is no named folder in /var. so i just skipped that maunal
06:41<petemc>fosser_josh: what are you trying to do ? just installing bind9 is enough for a caching server
06:42<fosser_josh>petemc: i run apt-get install bind9 bind9-doc dnsutils this command but then after that i am not able to find named folder in /var
06:42<fosser_josh>petemc: i am trying to setup dns in debian 6
06:42<petemc>the place to put zone files in /var/cache/bind/
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06:44<petemc>fosser_josh: it can be as easy as editing /etc/bind/named.conf.local and putting your zone files in /var/cache/bind/
06:45<fosser_josh>petemc: so if i put my zone files in /var/cache/bind/ then i hav to make change in named.conf in directory option, i need to change it to /var/cache/bind/ right/
06:45<fosser_josh>?
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06:46<petemc>that should already be configured in named.conf.options
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06:47<fosser_josh>petemc: so i dont hav to change anything
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06:50<Walex>fosser_josh: no, don't do that,.
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06:51<Walex>fosser_josh: you just put the full path to the zone file in 'named.conf'. 'directory' is about where the config files are
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06:53<fosser_josh>Walex: so that means i hav to change directory path in named.conf
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06:54<Walex>fosser_josh: yes, like 'file "/var/cache/bind/ com.example";'
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06:55<petemc>fosser_josh: as i said, you can just edit named.conf.local with lines like "zone "foo.com" { type master; file "db.foo.com"; };
06:55<petemc>then have the file db.foo.com in /var/cache/bind/
06:55<petemc>Walex seems to be muddying the waters for some reason
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06:56<fosser_josh>petemc: ok
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07:31<Aleo>hi all
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07:32<eagles0513875>hey guys
07:32<eagles0513875>how can i upgrade to squeeze
07:33<eagles0513875>i cant switch the repos from lenny to squeeze in teh sources list as its using a data centers local debian mirror
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07:33<babilen>!release notes
07:33<dpkg>Release Notes for Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) are at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <i-g>, <firmware images>, <install squeeze>, <errata>, <lenny->squeeze>.
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07:33<babilen>eagles0513875: ^^^ Read the release notes.
07:33<eagles0513875>ya i am
07:33<eagles0513875>i would have thought that would be a separate page
07:33<eagles0513875>not part of the release notes
07:34<babilen>eagles0513875: The "new in squeeze" and chapter 4 are the most relevant. And make sure you follow them!
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07:38<r0ger>is it possible to unencrypt a des3 key file so i don't have to enter a password everytime i restart apache? i found how to do it for an rsa key but (following the first google result when i searched) i used des3 to gen my key and i don't want to have to get another one signed if possible
07:38<j0sfg>i have installed cups, and added HP LaserJet 4L via the web interface. "lpstat -p -d" shows printer is idle and enabled. printing from icerweasel seems to complete, but the printer does not even light up.
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07:39<ansgar>r0ger: Did you try "openssl des3"?
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07:39<spellu>ciao
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07:39<r0ger>ansgar: yes and the out key still looks like it's encrypted
07:40<r0ger>i think i'll just wipe and start over
07:40<r0ger>it doesn't take but about 5 minutes to get the new key signed
07:40<jm_>j0sfg: does it work if you print using lp command?
07:41<j0sfg>please help me troubleshoot printing. everything seems to be wrking fine with no errors or warnings even while printing. cups installation was also clean. but i can't print
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07:42<j0sfg>jm_: i have never printed from linux. windows works fine. how do i print using lp command?
07:42<jm_>j0sfg: lp file.txt
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07:43<eagles0513875>hey guys how can i get a source list which isnt using a local mirror of a data center but an internet one
07:43<babilen>!mirrors
07:43<dpkg>debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>.
07:43<babilen>!sources.list squeeze
07:43<j0sfg>jm_: i get "lp: Unsupported format 'text/plain'!"
07:44<babilen>!tell eagles0513875 -about sources.list
07:44<j0sfg>cups asked, while install, if i wanted to send unidentified files as raw, or something like that. i said yes.
07:45<eagles0513875>babilen: is there a source list generator
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07:46<sznitzeln>hi, i wonder, do you know when the migration of Whezzy to the X.org and the newer version of fglrx will take place? is it in a near future?
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07:46<themill>dpkg: tell eagles0513875 about make squeeze sources.list
07:46<j0sfg>jm_: should i have said "no" there?
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07:47<jm_>j0sfg: depends on printer, but normally cups can use another tool to convert text files; you can always change this
07:48<sznitzeln>i mean wheezy ofc :P
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07:51<jm_>j0sfg: do you have /usr/lib/cups/filter/texttops for example?
07:52<j0sfg>how/where do i configure these file formats for cups?
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07:53<eagles0513875>W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/squeeze/dists/updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 149.20.20.6 80] W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/squeeze/dists/updates/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 149.20.20.6 80] <--- giving me issues any idea if those repos are down?
07:53<j0sfg>jm_: yes i have /usr/lib/cups/filter/texttops. i also have textonly and texttopdf
07:54<themill>eagles0513875: you have an error in your sources.list
07:54<eagles0513875>isnt a 404 site down
07:54<eagles0513875>and no i dont its in that one rep
07:54<eagles0513875>repo
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07:55<themill>eagles0513875: no, 404 is that the file wasn't found. It's in the *correct* place and your sources.list is incorrect.
07:55<eagles0513875>i copied what the bot had
07:55<themill>eagles0513875: no you did not...
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07:56<themill>!make squeeze sources.list
07:56<dpkg>A suitable sources.list for squeeze would have three lines: "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" and "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main". Duplicate lines with "deb-src" instead of "deb" if you want to be able to retrieve the source packages; add "contrib non-free" if you want <contrib> and <non-free> package to be available too.
07:56<eagles0513875>themill: deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main <---
07:56<eagles0513875>i copied and pasted
07:56<themill>it says "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" you evidently have "deb http://security.debian.org/squeeze updates main"
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07:57<j0sfg>do i need to configure any/every file format that i need to print? wouldn't printing from within an app take care of that issue for cups?
07:58<jm_>j0sfg: that's the one it automatically executes for me
07:59<eagles0513875>themill: didnt realize the repos were super sensitive
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07:59<paq>I am having funny write protection with my files copied from cdrom or usb drive? This is happenning with debian 6.0 but didn't happen with debian 5
08:00<j0sfg>i have a minimal installation of debian testing, rather than a full blown everything included install. could i have missed installing something for cups to actually print. i don't seem to get any errors, if i print from within applications.
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08:00<themill>eagles0513875: it's a config file; config files are picky about what you write in them. Those two things mean different things... they have to. Just the same as "cd /tmp/bar" and "cd/tmp bar" mean different things.
08:01<eagles0513875>ya
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08:02<jm_>hmm haven't tried the version from squeeze or testing, still using lenny
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08:03<j0sfg>jm_: the current stable is sqeeze. i would have thought you would have been "auto-upgraded" on next update
08:04<j0sfg>jm_: but anyway i'm not sure whether my problem is version specific. there would have been lots of people screaming, if so...
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08:05<jm_>j0sfg: well not if user doesn't upgrade heh
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08:06<jm_>j0sfg: this has always worked fine for me - in previopus versions one would select which tool to use to convert text file (enscript, a2ps, ..., auto was also an option), but now this is done with pstotext AFAIK
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08:07<j0sfg>"lp file.pdf" errors "lp: Unsupported format 'application/pdf'!" file /usr/lib/cups/filter/texttopdf exists. what am i missing?
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08:08<jm_>did you look in /etc/cups/mime.convs?
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08:10<j0sfg>i don't have that file
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08:10<jm_>right that must be the source of your problems
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08:10<sret>ramnet: thanks
08:11<sret>morning all
08:11<sret>hi jm_
08:11<j0sfg>i have a raw.convs and raw.types. do i have to create this mime.convs file?
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08:12<jm_>isn't it in the cups package?
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08:13<jm_>looking at the cups package, it might have been moved to /usr/share/cups/mime/mime.convs
08:13<adema_>su
08:13<j0sfg>dpkg -L cups lists /usr/share/cups/mime/mime.convs and i have thst file there, not in /etc/cups
08:13<dpkg>ii cups lists /usr/share/cups/mime/mime.convs and i have thst file there, not in /etc/cups 3.9-5 j0sfg's private porn collection
08:13<adema_>i really need some help with X11 and my nvidia graphic card
08:13<jm_>right, maybe that's normal for new version, check if you have an entry for text/plain in it
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08:14<sahko>lol
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08:15<j0sfg>jm_: yes text/plain is listed. i haven't changed anything from the default install, other than add my printer.
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08:16<jm_>j0sfg: huh then I'm puzzled
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08:17<j0sfg>jm_: what was that message from dpkg that i see about my "private ... collection". i think dpkg -L cups at the start of my post must have been a command
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08:18<jm_>j0sfg: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=533186
08:18<jm_>j0sfg: yup, dpkg is a bot, look:
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08:18<jm_>dpkg -L foo
08:18<dpkg>ii foo 3.8-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
08:18<adema_>hey guys, if i try to load my nv or nvidia module into xorg, when i start gdm3, it restart in an infinite loop
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08:19<adema_>my xorg.conf contains only the following lines : http://paste.debian.net/107935/
08:19<j0sfg>jm_: lol
08:19<adema_>it restart in an infinite loop
08:19<SynrG>adema_: without error messages we can't help. also, please focus on solving just one (whichever one is preferred). are you on lenny or squeeze? you know nouveau supercedes nv in squeeze?
08:20<adema_>squeeze
08:20<SynrG>have you previously had nvidia working on this system?
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08:20<adema_>and there is no error msg
08:20<adema_>no, it's a new computer
08:21<SynrG>do you need 3d?
08:21<adema_>hum know
08:21<adema_>i just want dri/glx dunno the correct way to say it
08:21<sahko>what do i do in such an occasion? http://paste.debian.net/107937/ aptitude says nfs-common State: partially configured
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08:22<j0sfg>i don't know what to do now with my printing issue. do the cups guys have a channel? or might this be a debian/testing issue? printing a test page from cups web admin errors "Unable to print test page:
08:22<vook>adema_: just go to nvidia.com and get the pkg
08:22<SynrG>adema_: eventually nouveau will deliver that, but for now, not. you need the non-free nvidia driver, then
08:22<SynrG>!tell adema_ about nvidia
08:22<j0sfg>"Unsupported format 'application/vnd.cups-banner'!" if i print test page
08:22<SynrG>vook: i don't consider that good advice.
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08:22<jm_>j0sfg: did you not read the bug report I gave you an URL for?
08:23<adema_>what is "nouveau" ?
08:23<vook>SynrG: I could care less
08:23<j0sfg>sorry i missed that. i'll read it now
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08:23<SynrG>vook: adema_ may care, if he actually wants support here.
08:23<adema_>yes i care :)
08:23<vook>the nvidia pkg compiles a module from headers
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08:24<vook>fast
08:24<vook>oh well
08:24<SynrG>sure, if you don't mind taking all your bug reports to nvidia instead of debian
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08:24<vook>there are no bug reports
08:24<SynrG>nvidia has ascended! they now write bug-free software. wow.
08:25<SynrG>maybe i have the wrong job
08:25<adema_>well if i can help debian team with my logs, tell me how to do it and i will do whatever i can to help
08:25<SynrG>!tell adema_ about nouveau
08:25<vook>I tend to imagine that the designer of the chipset has the upper hand
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08:26<SynrG>vook: you tend to imagine that the only aspect of making a video driver work that matters is what happens at the low level, integration with the OS it's deployed on be damned.
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08:28<j0sfg>jm_: *mwah* you have resolved my issue. that bug was exactly what i was having.
08:28<jm_>j0sfg: nod
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08:29<NMZ>hi
08:29<NMZ>has anyone tried migrating a server to raid 1 with grub pc as bootloader?
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08:30<j0sfg>jm_: thanks again!
08:30<jm_>j0sfg: no worries
08:30<swirl>hi
08:31<morphium>Hi. Today I have a problem with apt: I have php5 in a private repository with a newer version than the lenny repository. I have both in my sources.list. the php5 from lenny is currently installed. if i apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, it says no updates...though there is a php5.3.5 in my private repo.
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08:40<sahko>what do i do in such an occasion? http://paste.debian.net/107937/ aptitude says nfs-common State: partially configured. anyone know?
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08:40<jm_>morphium: check what "apt-cache policy" reports
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08:41<jm_>sahko: try enabling portmap
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08:43<paq>debian 6 is giving me problem with media -cdrom and usb sdcar. When I copy a file to my hdd, it is write protected
08:44<paq>And now it won't read cdrom at all
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08:46<sahko>jm_: but portmap is provided by rpcbind which's daemon is running
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08:47<jjp>sahko: tried to reconfigure nfs-common ?
08:48<jm_>sahko: what is the status of /etc/init.d/portmap init script - is it enabled or not?
08:48<sahko>dpkg-reconfigure? yes
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08:49<sahko>theres no /etc/init.d/portmap, its /etc/init.d/rpcbind
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08:55<rigved>hi everyone...i am trying to install debian 6 to a machine connected to my lan, using dhcp-pxe-tftp-http method. but during the installer does not detect the client machine hard disk. how do i tell the installer to install
08:58<sahko>i guess http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561718 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=564501
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09:03<plus>I just upgraded my VPS from lenny to squeeze almost entirely without issue, but now for some reason lighttpd wants to bind to port 80, despite the config file specifying port 81. During the upgrade I was given the option to keep the old config file or use the new one, and I kept the old file, and I checked the config file, but starting lighttpd still binds to port 80 instead of 81
09:03<plus>Is this a known issue with a fix? Should I ask the lighttpd folks?
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09:04<sahko>there seem to be a bunch of bug reports about the rpcbind issue
09:04<plus>ah ok
09:05<sahko>ok what? i didnt say it to you :p
09:05<plus>oh
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09:08<sahko>sorry, no idea about your issue
09:09<rigved>sahko: was that for me?
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09:09<rigved>ok. thanks for your help!
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09:09<babilen>deja-vu
09:09<sahko>no it was for me, and a general comment on the nfs issues with rpcbind *I* am having
09:09<sahko>sorry for acting so selfish :)
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09:13<sret>so i just learnt, an upgrade process for rpm distributions doesnt come easy like debian's dist-upgrade
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09:14<morphium>my self made debian repository isnt even shown on apt-cache policy. How to add a policy for it?
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09:17<adema_>hi it's me again
09:17<adema_>thx for everything you've done
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09:18<adema_>SynrG, i can't compile nvidia the pkg from nvidia.com and the non-free driver doesn't work ...
09:19<Torsten_W>you can't? why?
09:19<babilen>adema_: The installer from nvidia.com is *not* supported in here.
09:19<babilen>nvidia
09:19<babilen>!nvidia
09:19<adema_>i know
09:19<dpkg>Install <nouveau>, the appropriate <dkms> package in non-free for your card or use <nvidia m-a>. Ask me about <nvidia dkms> <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. Ask about <nvidia lenny> for <oldstable> procedures. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
09:20<morphium>ah, apt sometimes ignores sources from sources.list.d ?!
09:20<babilen>adema_: Ah, ok. You know the drill and tried the dkms package already?
09:20<morphium>thats weird
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09:20<adema_>dkms = nouveau ?
09:20<morphium>(especially apt-cache)
09:20<babilen>adema_: No, dkms == proprietary driver from nvidia
09:21<themill>morphium: no it doesn't, unless they are properly named
09:21<morphium>themill: I just moved my repo entry from sources.list.d/repo to sources.list
09:21<morphium>and now it works fine
09:21<SynrG>adema_: see above, nvidia dkms topic from dpkg bot
09:22<themill>morphium: you perhaps need to read "man 5 sources.list" carefully about how the files in sources.list.d should be named
09:22<SynrG>adema_: and "doesn't work" isn't helpful as it contains no info
09:22<babilen>adema_: I basically wanted to ask if you tried the dkms or m-a method and what exactly you mean by "the non-free driver doesn't work"
09:22<morphium>themill: will do, thanks
09:22<adema_>i tried the m-a method
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09:22<adema_>SynrG, X is stuck in a infinite restart loop
09:23<babilen>adema_: Which "non-free" driver are you referring to? How did you install it and what are the symptoms of it not working? Is it hanging out on the couch drinking your beer?
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09:23<SynrG>i'll let babilen take over here, i'm busy at work
09:23<babilen>SynrG: me too :)
09:23<SynrG>argh :)
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09:23<adema_>i compiled/installed it with m-a
09:23<adema_>and when i try to start gdm
09:23<adema_>x is stuck in a infinite restart loop
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09:23<SynrG>babilen: you help me port Ruby to OpenVMS/Itanium and i'll help you with ... whatever it is you do? :)
09:24<babilen>adema_: catch me later (~5 hours)
09:24<Torsten_W>adema_, building the kernel-modul is not enougth
09:24<Torsten_W>adema_, you also need nvidia-glx
09:24<adema_>yes i know
09:24<adema_>i installed it
09:25<adema_>(well i think you need glx if you enable glx in the xorg.conf file)
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09:25<Torsten_W>has nothing to do with glx in the xorg.conf
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09:25<Torsten_W>it installs the nvidia xorg driver
09:26<babilen>!nvidia dkms
09:26<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
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09:26<Torsten_W>adema_, and btw, provide us /var/log/Xorg.0.log
09:26<babilen>but make sure that you do it for the right card (if you have one of the legacy ones, use the appropriate dkms package)
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09:27<adema_> i have a recent nvidia card
09:28<adema_>GeForce 425M
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09:28<Torsten_W>then you need a driver from the 260-series
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09:30<babilen>,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms
09:30<judd>Package nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- sid/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; wheezy/non-free: 195.36.31-6; experimental/non-free: 260.19.21-1
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09:32<SynrG>Torsten_W: how do you determine this?
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09:35<SynrG>Torsten_W: to clarify, i expected /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source to perhaps contain some doc about supported models. i couldn't find it. how do helpers here know whether a given model is ony supported by experimental?
09:36<Torsten_W>SynrG, nvnews.net
09:36<gsimmons>SynrG: /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.txt.gz contains a supported GPU list.
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09:37<SynrG>Torsten_W, gsimmons: thanks
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09:38<SynrG>appendix A, got it. (i gave up too early, it is loong)
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09:39<rah>none of the mysql clients on my system seem to be able to resolve host names
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09:39<rah>eg, ERROR 2005 (HY000): Unknown MySQL server host 'myrtle' (1)
09:40<rah>anyone have any idea why?
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09:54<Lantizia>Hypothetically... if there was a Debian based (APT/dpkg) rolling release distribution... does any mechanism exist at the moment to advice the users of only major updates to packages rather than minor updates so they are not being hassled all the time?>
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09:55<babilen>What is the difference between a minor and a major update in a rolling release?
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09:56<Lantizia>babilen, a good question :P is that to be taken as the way it's versioned or up to the distro's discretion ?
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09:56<babilen>Lantizia: And debian has testing/sid which is pretty much a rolling release distro
09:56<Xenguy>Hi, I have an anacron question: On Debian anacron (when installed) seems setup by default to run main root cronjobs transparently without additional configuration. My question is, what if I want to ensure that a non-root user account's crontab jobs are run by anacron assuming the system (a laptop) is not powered on 24/7. IOW is it recommended to use anacron as a non-root user, and if so, is there a recommended method to configure anacron to run a norm
09:56<Xenguy>Or is there a better way?
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09:57<babilen>Lantizia: I am just not sure what you are after.
09:57<babilen>Xenguy: Mostly the same people here and on freenode
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09:58<Xenguy>babilen: perhaps, though logically I expect there would be some different people :-)
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09:58<Lantizia>babilen, a discussion mostly, it's all hypothetical.... for example lets say you want to ensure everyone is definately on linux 2.6.35 and at worst they could be on 2.6.30... you'd make 2.6.31/32/33/34 available but not as minor updates
09:58<Lantizia>*but as minor
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09:59<Lantizia>obviously some updates are just there to add features not fix bugs
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09:59<babilen>!debian cut
09:59<dpkg>CUT is "constantly usable testing", a proposal to make a rolling branch of Debian. See the proposal: http://lwn.net/Articles/406301/ and the discussion: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/09/msg00502.html
09:59<babilen>Lantizia: That ^^^ is currently being discussed and will be even more discussed in this years debconf ...
09:59<koollman>Lantizia: using some package 'linux' depending on any of these would work, assuming the highest version is picked at installation time
09:59<Lantizia>koollman, babilen, that's nice and I'll look - but what I'm on about is some way to _mark_ what is essential and what is not as updates
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10:00<koollman>well, there are ways to tag packages, but you would have to create a tool that use your specific tags
10:00<babilen>Lantizia: koollman's idea might give you that. Use a number of metapackages that always depend on the version you want to have installed, which is not necessarily the newest.
10:01<Lantizia>ah yeah metapackages would do it
10:01<Lantizia>i was more looking for a apt-get upgrade vs apt-get complete-upgrade
10:01<babilen>But I don't quite see the point in that. Every single update is more or less important, and you'd especially hav to distinguish between security related updates and feature updates (and both)
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10:01<ramnet>you could a seperate repo for important updates and use some apt-pinning magic
10:02<babilen>What are *important* updates?
10:02<Lantizia>this is why it's a discussion :P
10:02<SynrG>it's all relative. it may be very important to fix the kernel for hardware that you don't have
10:02<babilen>I find it very hard to distinguish between major/minor important/unimportant udpates in a rolling release.
10:02<ramnet>look at backports repo for an idea about how that might work
10:03<Lantizia>see i love the idea of using a rolling release, but not the constant updating
10:03<SynrG>that's why as an admin you should use apt-listchanges and decide for yourself
10:03<babilen>Lantizia: That is somehow a bit contradictory. You are basically after a distribution with a much faster release cycle?
10:04<SynrG>unfortunately, nothing saves you from the work of actually reading the changes and making decisions to upgrade or not on a case-by-case basis
10:04<ramnet>isn't the whole point of a rolling release the constant updating :)
10:04<babilen>SynrG: exactly
10:04<koollman>Lantizia: ok. let's not talk debian. A system I've seen that works well enough for rolling releases is 'profiles' as used in gentoo. when you do a regular upgrade, the profile is used to know what is 'current' and can be upgraded, and what is 'unstable'. the user can later change the profile when a new one is released, which will change which packages are seen as stable/unstable
10:04<babilen>ramnet: absolutely ... that is the nature of a rolling release isn't it?
10:04<koollman>Lantizia: now, I'm not quite sure how I would do that reusing apt/dpkg
10:04<Lantizia>ok lets put it this way... my linux kernel is essential - i need it updating, more for extra hardware support and bug fixes than extra features... so that is important
10:04<Lantizia>but my copy of firefox (except security updates) isn't as important
10:04<SynrG>koollman: who decides what goes into the profiles? how do i know their choices meet my needs?
10:05<babilen>koollman: Is that the x86 vs ~x86 thing or something different?
10:05<Lantizia>i don't always want to issue apt-get upgrade and have it pull a new version of firefox i didn't need or want
10:05<SynrG>i can't see any sensible way to implement this in a rolling release.
10:05<koollman>babilen: yes. well, a bit more than that, since selecting a profile is effectively changing a 'branch' or major release
10:05<babilen>Lantizia: Nobody but you can make that decision for you
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10:05<SynrG>CUT is at least comprehensible because it chooses some points to freeze things ... and then "stabilises" and releases that.
10:05<Lantizia>babilen, as a user I don't want to make the decision all the time
10:05<koollman>SynrG: as for any distributions, developpers of said distribution :)
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10:06<babilen>koollman: Ah, I am not familiar with these "profiles" -- Who maintains them and how do I know that they'll fit my needs?
10:06<SynrG>but CUT is not rolling
10:06<Lantizia>actually what I'm suggesting is rather like Windows... it's crucial windows keeps itself up to date... but not your desktop applications
10:06<SynrG>it's a compromise (and a good one, i think)
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10:06<babilen>SynrG: We have rolling now, but i thought that the ideas that revolved around CUT might just be what Lantizia is after
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10:06<SynrG>Lantizia: Windows doesn't have anything close to rolling
10:06<ramnet>apt-pin the packages you don't want to automatically update lower - problem solved. or am i missing something?
10:07<Lantizia>so as a rolling release you can be sure your OS is secure and feature rich - but up to you if you want the latest media player/browser etc... until you get to the point where the version your using atm no longer has security support and your meant to uypgrade
10:07<koollman>Lantizia: that's still different. and definitely not rolling release :)
10:07<SynrG>Lantizia: what windows has sounds more like CUT
10:07<babilen>Lantizia: Then you just want upgrades for the kernel?
10:07<Lantizia>brb phone
10:07<koollman>Lantizia: windows is closer to debian for that kind of upgrades. stuff marked as 'critical' in windows updates would be stuff ending up in a security upgrade, or a regular upgrade, on debian
10:08<ramnet>http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences
10:08<socialist>i like the idea of CUT
10:08<koollman>babilen: I'm not sure I can explain them perfectly. they are of course maintain by the gentoo developpers (or by you, if you make your own, or someone else, if you want ... )
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10:10<socialist>it would be better to show off debian CUT rather than debian stable to joe average
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10:10<SynrG>socialist: it's a very appealing idea, if we can pull it off :)
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10:10<SynrG>joeyh presented it to a packed room at dc10 and there was a lot of excitement over it
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10:11<Xenguy>Last call for any anacron gurus in the channel?
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10:11<socialist>i agree
10:11<sahko>although im in favour of cut as well, joe average is probably someone who doesnt want to deal with configuration file merging etc. imaging joe average going from grub legacy to grub2 for example
10:12<babilen>SynrG: It will be a reality!
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10:12*babilen is radiating positive vibrations to every single DD/DM/DU on this planet
10:12<SynrG>sahko: completely separate issue. *no* release model will get you out of that.
10:12<SynrG>that's where the bar is set with Debian. at "joe-slightly-above-average"
10:12<socialist>sahko, precisely. most people just want things to work
10:13<SynrG>but really, it's not rocket science
10:13<socialist>they don't care what happens under the hood.. sadly
10:13<SynrG>you just have to be patient and know who to ask and how to ask properly :)
10:13<sahko>SynrG: right, i havent used a 'stable' distro for so long i forgot about dist-upgrade :)
10:13<socialist>but i believe that a large part of debian user is not joe average
10:13<AlexC223>is this the correct channel to discuss creating debian/rules file for custom packages?
10:13<sahko>i suppose you'd have to deal with that in a dist-upgrade as well
10:13<babilen>AlexC223: #debian-mentors
10:13<AlexC223>thanks :)
10:13<babilen>!tell AlexC223 about mentors
10:14<babilen>AlexC223: yw
10:14<koollman>babilen: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?style=printable&part=1&chap=6#doc_chap2 . the profile chown is the default stable, default/linux/x86/10.0 , there are other subprofiles, basically changing the default selection and a few other things. then a release is made, like 10.1, changing the versions needed by the system
10:15<babilen>koollman: let me have a look
10:15<Xenguy>On a related note, does a utility like rcconf still work for turning boot scripts on/off, with squeeze's new "dependency based boot sequencing"?
10:15<Xenguy>ww
10:15<koollman>(I'm looking for a gentoo installed box to paste the content of a profile, but I can't find any right now)
10:16<babilen>koollman: Sounds like a pain for the devlopers if you have more than, say, 3/4 profiles ...
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10:17<ramnet>Xenguy: update-rc.d should still work for turning boot scripts on/off
10:17<koollman>babilen: yes. Well, the most important thing is to keep at least 1 or 2 profiles really 'clean' and stable (to have some kind of basic testable system)
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10:17<babilen>Xenguy: And yes, update-rc.d should still work, but will complain a little
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10:18<koollman>babilen: the nice part is that I, for example, could make a profile suited for my own needs, without losing all the nice thing in the base profile, by deriving it
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10:18<socialist>i don't know the details needed to create a snapshot for CUT but i've used testing for years with no problem at all (at least in my use case)
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10:19<koollman>babilen: it would be a bit like debian 'pure' derivative distributions, with preselections of packages. But with a larger choice of versions, since I would be able to pick from the whole repository, not one branch
10:19<babilen>koollman: Ok. It is basically "Roll your own release 101 for the normal Gentoo user, if you are into that" :)
10:19<koollman>yes
10:19<babilen>ok, understood.
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10:19<koollman>well, the same mechanism is used for the base release, and for the various ports, of course
10:20<beppe>Hi, is there someone that has installed debian 64 on virtualbox?
10:20<Torsten_W>many people are using 64bit debian in vbox
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10:20<babilen>koollman: yeah, but that does not really capture the "power" of those "profiles" -- I guess that only the "major" (i.e. default, server, desktop) profiles are tested before they are updated. Does a staging area (like unstable/testing) exist before those upgrade "migrate" to the "standard" profile?
10:21<babilen>koollman: Sorry, for all the "" but I am not familiar with the gentoo-lingo
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10:22<beppe>so is it possible to install this version? where I should specify the 64 release?
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10:22<koollman>babilen: the next profile is available, and can be tested, of course
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10:23<beppe>do u know some tutorial?
10:23<ottoshmidt>Wine package maintenance is almost dead in debian, isn't it?
10:23<Torsten_W>beppe, this is not the #vbox channel
10:23<Torsten_W>beppe, vbox has a nice manual
10:24<babilen>koollman: is it tested like in Debian?
10:24<ottoshmidt>last changelog activiti almost a year ago
10:24<ottoshmidt>*activity
10:24<babilen>koollman: Something like users using ~~desktop and ~desktop ?
10:24<beppe>Torsten_W, yeap but is the debian channel.
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10:24<Torsten_W>beppe, and?
10:25<koollman>babilen: hmm. I haven't followed actively gentoo recently. I would say 'not really', but that would be a bit rude. there are way more possible variations to test on gentoo, even with less packages
10:25<babilen>koollman: Ok, and we are drifting a bit OT and I have to leave anyway. Have a nice day and see you later.
10:25<koollman>(and debian has already a few surprises in really standard stuff, so gentoo being a bit worse on that point isn't really surprising ;) )
10:25<beppe>and someones maybe has done wath I try to do, using debian
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10:26<Torsten_W>beppe, you want install debian 64bit in vbox, then do that
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10:26<Torsten_W>beppe, if you don't know, how to configure vbox, read the manual from vbox
10:26<koollman>which reminds me, back on topic ... isn't there some sort of official "we really should support localisation and multi-byte language" document or goal or 'ideal' for debian ?
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10:27<koollman>s/language/character set/
10:27<Xenguy>ramnet: thanks
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10:28<beppe>of course, but I get some error and ask to someone
10:28<koollman>because the last release left me with a strange feeling. postgresql-client is now using libedit insteand of readling, for licensing reasons (cannot be packaged with openssl). And libedit, in debian, simply does not work with multi-byte characters.
10:28<koollman>which is kind of a large regression for me, and some other parts of the world, I guess :)
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10:29<socialist>i feel the same way about psql
10:29<Torsten_W>beppe, you havn't ask anything
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10:36<beppe>U don't have anything to do? pls don't break my balls. ok? tnx
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10:38<Torsten_W>beppe, you came in, whith a, not debian related, meta question, then you say, you have a problem, but you don't tell us your problem
10:39<beppe>U just say me shout up. Is not a good thing, or not?
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10:40<amphi>beppe: have you revealed what your problem is, or is it a secret? ;)
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10:45<beppe>it isn't, tnx when I try to install deb64 on virtualbox, the installation doesn't start. So I simply ask to someones if is possible and how. just this
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10:46<Torsten_W>beppe, and you have read about the depends for 64bit guests?
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10:49<beppe>I don't know this requirement. Are there some appliance? U know so? ok tnx if u say me that I do this check. U know that?
10:50<Torsten_W>i told you before
10:50<Torsten_W>read the vbox manual
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10:50<Torsten_W>beppe, http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch03.html#intro-64bitguests
10:50<sahko>btw if you're using the non ose edition you shouldnt ask here. use qemu, its better :)
10:50<Torsten_W>that's why im saying, it's not a debian problem
10:51<beppe>yes u told a lot of things, anyway tnx
10:51<Torsten_W>there is no non-ose anymore
10:51<sahko>oh, yay oracle:)
10:51<Torsten_W>since vbox-4, there is only one version
10:51<Torsten_W>and this version is gpl'ed
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10:54<beppe>i use the 4.0.2 r69518 version no ose
10:54<beppe>tnx 4 the link
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10:55<stderr_dk>Do anyone of you guys have a /.ure/ dir too? It's on a pretty fresh Squeeze install and I'm not sure what program decided to make a dot-dir in /, but I think it's "ugly"...
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10:58<sney>stderr_dk: no /.ure here, check around with apt-file
10:58<stderr_dk>Tried that. Nothing...
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11:00<stderr_dk>Now grep'ing all files to see if I can find any references to "/.ure"... :-/
11:00<sahko>stderr_dk: its got something to do with java/icedtea iirc
11:01<stderr_dk>Yeah, it contains a javasettings_Linux_x86.xml file.
11:01<stderr_dk>It still shouldn't be in / IMHO.
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11:02<sney>ah, no wonder, it's related to a different vendor
11:02<sahko>thats a long discussion i dont want to get into. so ill stick to the following: i had it too in my gnome installation. havent installed java yet here so i assume i'll get it back
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11:07<stderr_dk>Ok, my best guess so far is /usr/lib/ure/lib/{jvmfwk3rc,unorc} Both of them got ?${SYSUSERHOME}/.ure/... and if SYSUSERHOME is "" for some reason (no idea why it would be)... :-(
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11:08<stderr_dk>Note to self: Avoid "ure" if possible...
11:08<sney>that seems plausible
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11:09<sney>SYSUSERHOME is "" by default, I suppose, since it's not a standard environment variable. maybe that java package's maintainer script is supposed to declare it? anyway, a bug should be filed, if one hasn't been
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11:11<stderr_dk>Those two files also got ${ORIGIN} and other nonsense. Not even sure yet if it's "normal" environment variables or something java-ish...
11:12<sney>I suspect the latter
11:13<sney>or maybe, normal-if-Solaris
11:14<stderr_dk>"Normal" and "Solaris" so close to each other?
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11:25<adema_>hum i noticed that i have a i386 userland whereas my kernel is amd64
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11:25<adema_>how can i change my userland to amd64 ?
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11:31<cahoot>reinstall
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11:32<adema_>cahoot, and how can i be sure i will have the correct userspace ?
11:32<cahoot>use correct iso
11:32<adema_>i mean, i installed squeeze with a multi-arch dvd
11:32<adema_>and it installed the 64bits kernel
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11:33<adema_>so i hoped ... the userland would be 64bits too
11:33<cahoot>ok I'm obviously obsolete
11:33<viliny>anyone had any luck running minecraft in 64 bit ubuntu?
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11:34<cahoot>!ubuntu
11:34<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
11:34<devil>viliny: you better ask that in #ubuntu
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11:34<viliny>devil, my bad, connected to wrong channel it seems
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11:35<devil>viliny: yep, this is where it all comes from ;)
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11:35<viliny>oh i know :)
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11:52<zylt>what's the easiest way to manage the boot scripts in debian squeeze?
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11:53<Arrowmaster>!insserv
11:53<dpkg>i guess insserv is a dependency-based <init> system that is compatible with <sysvinit> and is the default from squeeze onwards. See also <upstart>. To use insserv, your init scripts need to have tags at the top of them that describe what they depend on to permit the correct ordering of the init scripts (see <missing lsb tags>).
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12:07<And1>Hey folks. I've got a problem with my raid.
12:07<lapfrog>hi
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12:08<lapfrog>what, pray tell, is your problem?
12:08<And1>It seems one partition from my home-RAID is missing... more precisely, it seems the partition really doesn't exist anymore: http://suckr.net/cfdisk.txt http://suckr.net/dmesg.txt
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12:12<jhutchins_lt>But that's impossible! There's no way something could go wrong and cause data loss if you have RAID!
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12:13<And1>jhutchins_lt: I'm also kinda I've no f**king idea how that one partition just could get lost! -- There's not date lost, btw.
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12:13<jhutchins_lt>Oh, good, well if it didn't have any data on it you're fine.
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12:14<jhutchins_lt>Everybody knows that RAID means you don't have to make backups.
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12:15<Arrowmaster>i have too much data to backup, i just use a RAID so disk failures dont effect me
12:15<mothermcfucker>RAID is not a guarantee against failure. It is always good to have a physical copy of the snapshot on removable media.
12:17<MeglaW>its just degrees of security
12:17<mothermcfucker>No one is aware of every exploit.
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12:17<mothermcfucker>Always use more than on edegree.
12:17<kayus>hi linuxers
12:17<mothermcfucker>one degree
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12:18<And1>jhutchins_lt: There sure was data on it, but it's also on the other partition...
12:18<And1>And I'm doing backups. :P
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12:19<kayus>hi linuxers
12:19<mothermcfucker>hi
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12:20<kayus>what is your distribution ?
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12:20<And1>Nice question, dude.
12:21<mothermcfucker>I use Debian on a i386 laptop and a G4 iMac
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12:21<kayus>nice
12:21<And1>Folks what's wrong about "mdadm --assemble /dev/md4 --add /dev/sda8"? Gives the error/message "mdadm: /dev/md4 is already in use."
12:21<MeglaW>nice price per cycle mothermcfucker ;)
12:21<mothermcfucker>I use FreeBSD on a G3 PowerMac B&W, A G4 Quicksilver, and an i386 laptop
12:21<mothermcfucker>and OpenBSD on a SunBlade 1000
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12:23<mothermcfucker>Tchau
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12:33<danilo>n Gnome, there's a menu entry in System > Preferences > Sound that let's you test the different sound outputs. Could anyone post the command for this? I deleted it by mistake while cleaning the menu.
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12:36<And1>Is there a way to umount my home-RAID?
12:36<And1>I don't really know which process or something still uses my home right now...
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12:36<retrospectacus>danilo, you can probably run gnome-volume-control
12:36<Gathond>use lsof to find the process using it and end that
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12:40<danilo>retrospectacus, no!
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12:41<SynrG>danilo: just start it and check the process name for it ... oh ... ;)
12:41<SynrG>(though you could do this with a Debian live image)
12:41<thewanderer>it's possible to restore the menu to the defaults
12:42<thewanderer>just create a new user...
12:42<SynrG>oh, i see, it's just a matter of damaging the menu
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12:43<danilo>ehm... I've just copied/pasted that text from a forum :P but I have same problem, after a dist-upgrade
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12:44<danilo>of course it is a post without a solution
12:44<babilen>danilo: Can't you start it from "gnome-control-center" ?
12:45<danilo>from another user Debian tells me that it didn't find a plugin for gstreamer (sorry, msg is in italian)
12:45<sret>does debian use anything similar to a sys V init ?
12:46<sret>systemd is similar ?
12:46<thewanderer>sret: systemd is completely different from SysV init... by some decades
12:46<babilen>sret: debian uses sys-v init
12:47<danilo>babilen, no, it doesn't work. I've noted also that /etc/modprobe.d/sound file doens't exist
12:47<thewanderer>Debian uses SysV init with insserv ordering, currently (Squeeze)
12:47<babilen>exactly
12:47<babilen>danilo: specify "not working"
12:47<sret>woah
12:47<sret>cool
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12:49<danilo>babilen, if I press volume buttons on my USB sound system I can see bar progress sound icon bar on desktop. But i have no sound from that. I would like to test it, but testing tool doens't exist (it existed before dist-upgrade :( )
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12:49<sret>babilen: , thewanderer ok
12:49<sret>thanks
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12:52<danilo>also, when trying to apt-get intall alsa-utils I have: insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 6) of script `alsa-utils' overwrites defaults (0 1 6).
12:52<danilo> msg
12:52<babilen>danilo: one second, i'll have a look :)
12:53<danilo>so I don't have alsaconf program :(
12:53<cahoot>danilo: cat /proc/asound/cards
12:54<cahoot>danilo: which card# corresponds to the usb?
12:54<danilo>0 [VT82xx ]: HDA-Intel - HDA VIA VT82xx
12:54<danilo> HDA VIA VT82xx at 0xc7ffc000 irq 17
12:54<danilo> 1 [System ]: USB-Audio - USB Audio System
12:54<danilo> Philips Sound Solutions USB Audio System at usb-0000:00:10.0-2, full s
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12:54<danilo>sorry!
12:54<babilen>danilo: You want the USB as default card?
12:54<sret>hehe same issue like mine
12:55<sret>welcome to alsa:D
12:55<danilo>http://paste.debian.net/107966/ i want usb (1) as default
12:55<babilen>sret: exactly my though :)
12:55<sret>babilen: heh
12:55<danilo>??
12:55<sret>did he paste the alsa conf script?
12:55<babilen>danilo: sret had the same issue before and we worked on that together :)
12:55<babilen>sret: not yet ;)
12:55<Torsten_W>danilo, you want only the usb-sound?
12:55<sret>yeah we diid
12:55<Arrowmaster>danilo: alsaconf is deprecated, the reason you dont have it is completely unrelated to that warning from insserv
12:56<danilo>babilen, so now you're an expert :D
12:56<babilen>danilo: haha, but i'm in "low-support-mode" now :)
12:56<danilo>Torsten_W, dunno. If it is the "fast mode" my answer is yesù
12:56<Torsten_W>danilo, echo blacklist snd-hda-intel > /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist.conf
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12:57<cahoot>danilo: or just try alsa force-reload
12:57<babilen>danilo: http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ026 (or http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA#Troubleshooting) -- I would recommend the first approach
12:57<sret>danilo: blacklist your onboard sound or whatever and it sohuld pickup USB as default
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12:57<sret>or listen to what babilen and Torsten_W said
12:58<babilen>sret, danilo: blacklisting works as well but renders the second card useless
12:58<babilen>(rather the first card)
12:58<sret>ah ok
12:58<Torsten_W>danilo, http://paste.debian.net/107967/
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12:59<Torsten_W>danilo, then usb is default but the onboard is usuable, if you put that as /etc/modprobe.d/mysound.conf
12:59<babilen>danilo: The problem you are facing is basically options snd-usb-audio index=-2 in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
12:59<cahoot>to keep them both usable - give them index 0 and 1 respectively
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13:00<danilo>YEAH!!!
13:00<danilo>thanks to all!!
13:00<Arrowmaster>i would just make a ~/.asoundrc that pointed default to hw:1
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13:01<babilen>Torsten_W: Just pasted the approach that is detailed on the Debian wiki -- you could also come up with a asoundrc and just set the *second* card as default without forcing specific indices -- Shall I confuse you more?
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13:01<Planet-X>is there no current boot root and net drivers img for floppy?
13:01<babilen>Arrowmaster: agreed, but the other approach works and danilo seems to be happy
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13:01<Planet-X>i've tried two sets think they were linux 2.1 and 2.4 and neither can download install components, trying to boot floppy and do a net install
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13:02<babilen>Planet-X: What is a "boot root and net drivers img" ?
13:02<Planet-X>floppy images for installation
13:02<danilo>babilen, yes. but anyone I bookmark links
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13:02<babilen>Planet-X: Long gone
13:02<danilo>*anyway
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13:02<Planet-X>i have no usb and no cd so i'm screwed?
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13:02<Arrowmaster>Planet-X: can you pxe boot?
13:02<babilen>Planet-X: PXE ?
13:02<Planet-X>not sure
13:02<Planet-X>i didn't think that would help with a network install
13:03<babilen>Check that -- it is a very elegant approach
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13:03<Planet-X>i was reading the page but it was talking about cd
13:03<Arrowmaster>pxe booting would always be a network install
13:03<Planet-X>does it required network boot in bios? cause this pc is mad old i'm not sure it can do that
13:03<thewanderer>yes
13:04<Planet-X>and then i still have to setup a dhcp server
13:04<thewanderer>but even Intel PCs from '98 can do that
13:04<thewanderer>sure
13:04<Planet-X>not the dhcp that is on my router right
13:04<Planet-X>something different
13:04<thewanderer>it would conflict
13:04<Planet-X>ehh?
13:05<thewanderer>yes, 2 DHCP servers are not good
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13:06<Planet-X>yeah i guess i'll read into it, seems like my only option and too much work for this pc
13:06<thewanderer>what, you don't have USB nor CD?
13:06<ramnet>Planet-X: usb cdrom drive would be best if you have it
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13:06<Planet-X>it's a thinkpad 755ce it has vga serial parallel and floppy
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13:07<thewanderer>can you just take the hard drive out and mount it somewhere?
13:07<ramnet>worst case just install an older version from floppies and upgrade as usual
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13:07<Planet-X>sure can but i was reading it has to be only drive in the system to make it active and then do what once it's mounted
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13:08<thewanderer>you can install Debian manually on a hard drive
13:08<thewanderer>make partitions, some filesystems on them, then debootstrap
13:09<Planet-X>i'm just learning about debootstrap since i took on this mission yesterday but is there a write-up?
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13:09<Planet-X>ramnet: if you could point me to a old disk ver :)
13:10<thewanderer>actually, just 'man chroot'
13:10<thewanderer>errr
13:10<thewanderer>man debootstrap
13:10<thewanderer>but chroot will be needed too :P
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13:10<Planet-X>;)
13:10<ramnet>http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/
13:10<Planet-X>im on ubuntu maverick no manual entry for debootstrap ;)
13:10<ramnet>would be the easy way
13:11<thewanderer>Planet-X: so install it :D
13:11<Planet-X>let me look at those
13:11<Planet-X>stby
13:11<thewanderer>you should be able to debootstrap Debian from Ubuntu
13:11<Planet-X>i think those are the ones that caused it to say "bad archive" no release file found
13:11<Planet-X>thewanderer: i'd hope so it's deb anyways right :P
13:12<thewanderer>and if you fail, the worst that can happen is you end up with Ubuntu instead :P
13:12<Planet-X>sorry to be asking for help today i'm not feeling very well either ;)
13:12<Planet-X>if it ever gets that far
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13:13<thewanderer>actually if you can pull out the whole drive, you can just plug it into another system and install from CD there...
13:13<Planet-X>hmmm
13:14<thewanderer>just remove other drives so that you know where you put GRUB
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13:14<Planet-X>oh right
13:14<Planet-X>harddrives need on off switches :>
13:14<Planet-X>guess i'd do with the laptop since that is the easiest
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13:17<Planet-X>afk gonna make some discs and then if that fails will be tearing a couple laptops apart >8D
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13:22<jony>I'm looking for a file , using CLi , what command I should use ?
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13:24<cahoot>jony: http://www.linux.ie/newusers/beginners-linux-guide/find.php
13:24<babilen>jony: Or "locate" (assuming you have a recent enough locatedb)
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13:25<bosyi>hi. wich command i should use to see temprechere of processor? cat ..?
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13:26<cahoot>temprechere?
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13:26<jony>thanks <cahoot>
13:26<sahko>cat?
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13:27<bosyi>temperature
13:27<sahko>assuming you mean temperature, you could use 'sensors'
13:27<SynrG>depending on the device, "acpi -t" may help
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13:29<O01>!help
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13:29<bosyi>SynrG, thans. it works
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13:32<grummund>Hi, what tools should i look at for monitoring network services and connectivity between multiple servers?
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13:33<ramnet>depends what you want to monitor
13:33<O01>b'soir
13:33<grummund>for example i am running secondary MX and slave DNS, and would like to have an idea how reliable/stable the hosts are
13:33<ramnet>iftop / iptraf come to mind for watching traffic
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13:34<grummund>if secondary MX went offline say, i would never know (currently)
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13:34<ramnet>munin would work for that
13:34<daemonkeeper>Munin is first of all for graphing.
13:35<daemonkeeper>For reliability and monitoring I'd suggest to use Nagios
13:35<daemonkeeper>(Or derivates)
13:35<ramnet>naigos works too :)
13:36<BlueG>my gstreamer installation under lenny appears to be broken... It looks like I have gstreamer with various plugins installed, but brasero says that gstreamer lacks plugins for ogg, flac, etc. Totem gives the error "Failed to create a Gstreamer play object. Check your Gstreamer installation." How might I go about fixing this?
13:37<ramnet>have you tried removing it and re-installing?
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13:37<acu>Hey guys - I want to find a file website01.com in my computer and I am trying to use find - and do not know to tell to look everywhere ? so find ... - can anyone tell me what to write ?
13:38<acu>!find
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13:38<grummund>ramnet, daemonkeeper: thanks i'll take a look at those
13:38<BlueG>ramnet: what exactly should I remove and reinstall? All gstreamer related packages? Will that also remove everything that depends on gstreamer?
13:38<devil>acu: mlocate to the rescue
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13:39<ramnet>acu: ls -lR / | grep website01.com
13:39<babilen>devil: IIRC it was you who said that the Xorg situation in sid has been solved, or?
13:40<devil>babilen: right
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13:40<babilen>devil: Ok, just wanted to verify that.
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13:41<jhutchins_lt>BlueG: Install mplayer - problem solved.
13:41<devil>babilen: there was a new xserver-xorg-core, which brought some slight problems. abi changed from 8.0 to 8 :)
13:42<BlueG>Attempting to remove gstreamer wants to remove a lot of other packages.
13:42<devil>so nvidia will not build
13:42<ramnet>or VLC
13:42<jhutchins_lt>BlueG: What release are you on?
13:42<BlueG>jhutchins_lt: well, that won't help make other applications like brasero work. I'm on Lenny.
13:42<babilen>devil: Ok. anything else one should be aware of?
13:42<devil>no, everything else is fine
13:42<jhutchins_lt>BlueG: Ah, you might be out of luck, dmm for lenny is dead.
13:42<BlueG>I previously had a debian multimedia repository added.
13:43<babilen>devil: wonderful
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13:43<danilo>rhythmbox or banshee or $another?
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13:43<ramnet>BlueG: that's probably why then. issue with dmm repo
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13:44<BlueG>jhutchins_lt: surely you can get a working gstreamer installation from the standard repositories.
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13:46<jhutchins_lt>BlueG: I'm not sure you can get the codecs anymore.
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13:47<BlueG>jhutchins_lt: surely the open codecs like ogg vorbis et al, are still available in the official Lenny repos.
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13:49<jthomas_sb_>I have an HP Mini 110 with Broadcom wireless; I installed the driver per http://wiki.debian.org/wl but I cannot get Wicd to connect to any of the A/Ps that it can see. Anyone have ideas?
13:49<ramnet>BlueG: they are but dmm gstreamer repo packages will probably conflict with ftp.d.o gstreamer repo packages.
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13:50<devil>jthomas_sb_: what is the exact chipset?
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13:51<BlueG>well, I thought I had removed all of the dmm packages and gotten everything installed from official repos, but something is apparently still broken
13:51<Planet-X>ramnet
13:51<Planet-X>using those disks and downloading the release file now
13:51<Planet-X>we'll see
13:52<Planet-X>i guess i should just pick stable right
13:52<BlueG>right now I am trying reinstalling all of the gstreamer packages I see and the apps I know that depend on it, like totem, brasero, etc
13:52<Planet-X>picking stable...
13:52<ramnet>BlueG: possibly gstreamer config is foobarr'd. mv ~/.gstreamer-0.10 out of the way and see if that helps
13:52<jthomas_sb_>devil its a BCM4312 14e4:4315
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13:53<Planet-X>ok, download installer components, no kernel modules were found, continue the install without loading kernel modules?
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13:54<Planet-X>wb
13:54<Planet-X>alt-f4 also says "anna[4129] warning no packages for kernel in archive"
13:54<Planet-X>do i want to continue to install without loading kernel modules?
13:55<jthomas_sb_>devil found some additional info here when i searched better, using that 14e4:4315 stuff http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
13:55<jthomas_sb_>working on that right now...
13:57<devil>jthomas_sb_: firmware-b43-installer should™ work.
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13:57<jthomas_sb_>that page ^^ says to use firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
13:57<BlueG>ramnet: even after reinstalling everything and moving ~/.gstreamer-0.10, everything is still broken. I guess I am going to try removing gstreamer and everything that depends on it, and then reinstalling.
13:57<devil>jthomas_sb_: for 4312?
13:58<devil>jthomas_sb_: that is rahther for 4306 and a few others iirc
13:58<Planet-X>ramnet: so i said yes and it's downloading more, but after libc6 somewhere is elilo and it segfaults
13:58<SynrG>Planet-X: consider tearing out the drive, debootstrap into it on another system ...
13:59<jthomas_sb_>duno, this page http://wiki.debian.org/wl says "PCI: 14E4:4315 Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY"
13:59<Planet-X>the installer failed to download a file retry change mirror cancel and no matter what mirror it can't go further
13:59<Planet-X>k synrg
13:59<SynrG>it just seems the path you've headed down is giving you nothing but grief
13:59<SynrG>this way may be simpler
13:59<Planet-X>poss
13:59<Planet-X>;)
14:00<ramnet>Planet-X: you would need to use archive.debian.org as a mirror for those old boot floppies
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14:00<Planet-X>k well maybe i'll try it once more before
14:00<devil>jthomas_sb_: ther ewvision might make a difference
14:00<jthomas_sb_>once I have that installed tho, what to do?
14:01<jthomas_sb_>do i need to cut the firmware from something else?
14:01<devil>jthomas_sb_: if yours is LP-PHY, you are of course right
14:01<devil>jthomas_sb_: a reboot is easiest
14:01<jthomas_sb_>i have no idea if I have that or not actually
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14:01<jthomas_sb_>i'l try that now on the laptop
14:02<thewanderer>for LP-PHY I only had any luck with wl
14:02<devil>or modeprobe -r <module> && modprobe <module>
14:02<jthomas_sb_>i've tried that one already; it sees the APs but cannot conect anywhere.
14:02<jthomas_sb_>these wikis arent clear if I should be using both wl and b43 or just one or the other
14:02<thewanderer>only one
14:03<jthomas_sb_>devil too late but that woulda been easy 'nuff
14:03<thewanderer>if you're on wl, blacklist b43
14:03<jthomas_sb_>i just added b43 since wl didn't connect anywhere
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14:03<devil>jthomas_sb_: you can have only one at a time
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14:05<jthomas_sb_>right now it seems like i can't have any
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14:07<jthomas_sb_>would i need to restart networking or Wicd after changing (unload reload w modprobe) my driver?
14:08<devil>jthomas_sb_: are you connected by eth0 atm?
14:08<jthomas_sb_>no but I could be (I am on IRC with a diff computer)
14:08<devil>then you need to ifdown eth0 && ifup wlan0
14:09<SynrG>hm, if the device is set up allow-hotplug, doesn't that trigger automatically setting things up when you reload the driver?
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14:09<jthomas_sb_>i am not on eth0
14:09<devil>jthomas_sb_: sorry, no clue of wicd at all
14:09<SynrG>i would think in that case, nothing would need to be restarted (ideally)
14:09<jthomas_sb_>also, the wireless device seems to be eth1 for what that is worth
14:10<SynrG>of course, there's the possibility the driver doesn't properly support hotplugging :p
14:10<jhutchins_lt>BlueG: You might want to consider squeeze.
14:10<devil>jthomas_sb_: does lsmod show the modules as loaded?
14:11<jthomas_sb_>yes, which ever i pick to load, lsmod show it there. if i unload one, Wicd shows no wireless networks. I load either one and refresh Wicd and it shows the wireless networks again. But i cannot connect to them
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14:12<BlueG>jhutchins_lt: squeeze would be great, if it didn't crash constantly on an i845 graphics chipset
14:12<sahko>hmm why does pm-utils conflict with laptop-mode-tools?
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14:12<jhutchins_lt>BlueG: I thought they had that fixed...
14:13<BlueG>I'm dying to get squeeze working, but so far, no luck.
14:13<jhutchins_lt>BlueG: That was one of the RC bugs.
14:13<jhutchins_lt>Still true since the release (5 feb)?
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14:13<jthomas_sb_>ok trying on the non-lpphy version of the firmware
14:13<SynrG>sahko: are you sure?
14:14<jthomas_sb_>no good, it says 'not supported low-power chip'
14:14<jthomas_sb_>so, back to lpphy
14:14<thewanderer>BlueG: was the same for me 1 year ago, before Squeeze release... finally installed a GeForce2 in the PC, this doesn't seem to be going to be fixed anytime soon
14:14<thewanderer>actually, it was "somewhat" working
14:14<BlueG>jhutchins_lt: I'm pretty sure I crashed it a time or two since release. Maybe it is only the gen2 chipset that is still affected.
14:15<SynrG>sahko: oh, in wheezy/sid only
14:15<SynrG>sahko: check the changelog?
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14:16<sahko>how do i check the changelog of a package which isnt installed?
14:16<sahko>with apt-listchanges will it do?
14:16<ramnet>packages.debian.org
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14:16<devil>sahko: packages.debian.org is one way
14:16<ShockDoc>hello everybody
14:17<ShockDoc>anyone else having an issue with the Software Center in Debian 6.0?
14:17<ShockDoc>for me it won't remove anything?
14:17<devil>heh
14:17<jthomas_sb_>ok reinstalled b32 cutter thing; no longer listed as eth1 but now wlan0 :) but still not connecting anywhere :(
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14:18<sahko>fuck a lunchpad ticket
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14:19<sahko>i mean fuck, a launchpad ticket
14:19<Planet-X>ramnet: mirror does not support the specified release (etch)
14:19<jthomas_sb_>yep, you'll never get the bug resolved if its on launchbad
14:20<ramnet>Planet-X: archive.debian.org should....no idea why it isn't working then :/
14:20<devil>maybe ubuntu should take back Software Center ;)
14:20<seanius>are there anyone here using cacti from testing/unstable?
14:20<Planet-X>debian archive mirror directory: /debian/ that all?
14:20<ramnet>should be
14:20<ShockDoc>but have you ever experienced that devil?
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14:21<devil>ShockDoc: i never even seen it. me gots apt-get :)
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14:21<Planet-X>yeah and archive is slow as heck from here
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14:21<ShockDoc>let's say I want to remove the onscreen keyboard devil
14:21<ramnet>a.d.o is always slow as heck lol
14:21<ShockDoc>apt-get remove ???
14:21<ShockDoc>:p
14:21<devil>ShockDoc: apt-get purge <package> done.
14:21<Planet-X>lol ok
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14:22<ShockDoc>software center --> I can search for packages :p
14:22<sahko>ok pm-utils was just there for convinience. changelog says [ Matt Zimmerman ] : * debian/control: Conflicts/Replaces: laptop-mode-tools, as both ship /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d/laptop-mode and the changelog below indicates these two packages should not be used together anyway. (LP: #606160)
14:22<devil>ShockDoc: remove removes the package, purge removes package and config
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14:22<ShockDoc>ah thanks devil
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14:22<devil>ShockDoc: apt-cache search does searching here
14:22<ShockDoc>also, I just installed the nvidia drivers, is it possible that my fonts look bigger now?
14:23<ShockDoc>I have that feeling
14:23<devil>ShockDoc: that could be a dpi problem
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14:23<ShockDoc>apt-get purge rhythmbox --> wants to remove gnome
14:23<ShockDoc>wtf?
14:24<devil>ShockDoc: thats only a dummy package
14:24<ShockDoc>which means?
14:24<seanius>ShockDoc: it's just a meta-package for convenience to install everything that someone would want when installing "gnome"
14:24<devil>ShockDoc: ask a gnome user please before i say something wrong :)
14:24<ShockDoc>so if I would like to remove rhythmbox, just go ahead?
14:25<ShockDoc>it says gnome*
14:25<ShockDoc>what what, it wants to install banshee?
14:25<ShockDoc>dudes
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14:25<ShockDoc>seriously
14:25<retrospectacus>ShockDoc: you will probably regret it, just ignore rhythmbox and use whatever else
14:25<ShockDoc>wtf?
14:25<ShockDoc>does that make sense?
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14:26<ramnet>rhythombox won't remove gnome
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14:26<ShockDoc>me wants to remove rhytmbox, debian wants to install banshee?!
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14:26<seanius>ShockDoc: if you do apt-cache show gnome it might illuminate you
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14:26<ramnet>i'm runnning gnome now with rhythombox not installed so it isn't a gnome dependency
14:26<seanius>ShockDoc: it has a dependency on rhythmbox | banshee somewhere in there
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14:27<ShockDoc>ah
14:27<ShockDoc>I see seanius
14:27<themill>aptitude why gnome rhythmbox
14:27<seanius>ramnet: but you probably don't have the metapackage installed
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14:27<ShockDoc>still, I don't need a media player other then totem installed
14:27<themill>!unmarkauto
14:27<dpkg>Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards).
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14:28<jthomas_sb_>!b43
14:28<dpkg>[b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (all 802.11n) are not supported, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net.
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14:28<jthomas_sb_>!brcm80211
14:28<dpkg>brcm80211 is an open source mac80211 driver released by Broadcom, supporting the <BCM4313>, <BCM43224> and <BCM43225> PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. Included as a staging driver in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images for x86. Firmware is required (bcm43xx-0.fw, bcm43xx_hdr-0.fw), ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-brcm80211 package to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211
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14:29<thewanderer>!tell jthomas_sb_ about msg the bot
14:29<jthomas_sb_>i shoulda kept the damned Win7 Starter on this thing :(
14:30<retrospectacus>jthomas_sb_: wrong :)
14:30<thewanderer>what hardware is that?
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14:31<ShockDoc>if I want to remove all of openoffice, anyone know the command?
14:31<Cate`>Hey
14:31<ramnet>apt-get remove openoffice-base should do it
14:31<ShockDoc>wow guys
14:31<ShockDoc>you're a real help
14:31<ShockDoc>thanks
14:31<Cate`>We're installing debian on a portable hard disk and
14:31<jthomas_sb_>its Broadcom wireless, thewanderer
14:32<seanius>!sarcasm
14:32<dpkg>from memory, sarcasm is when you say something that you don't entirely mean in order to gain some sort of dramatic effect or other er something;; for example "that's a really good definition"
14:32<Cate`>Everything's gone fine up to this point but
14:32<ShockDoc>hmm, E: Unable to locate package openoffice-base
14:32<Cate`>It's asking for which drive to put the boot loader on
14:32<ShockDoc>oh
14:32<Cate`>...And not sure which of those is the portable hdd
14:32<ShockDoc>openoffice.org-base
14:32<retrospectacus>Cate`: don't post sentence fragments, please
14:32<Cate`>Sorry
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14:33<themill>ShockDoc: you could also "aptitude remove ~nopenoffice" which will remove all packages with "openoffice" anywhere in the package name
14:33<thewanderer>jthomas_sb_: so what were you trying wl with? Wicd? I'd try network-manager, it has some magic in place
14:33<ShockDoc>After this operation, 624 MB disk space will be freed. <-- NICE
14:33<devil>ShockDoc: openoffice.org-base
14:34<ShockDoc>yeah thanks devil, I got it
14:34<jthomas_sb_>thewanderer network-manager doesn't do well in KDE
14:34<themill>jthomas_sb_: it works just as well in kde as any other desktop
14:34<ShockDoc>I have a feeling that if I apt-get autoremove now that it will remove all of gnome
14:34<ShockDoc>:/
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14:34<jthomas_sb_>nice! ShockDoc its your cvhance to move to KDE
14:35<themill>ShockDoc: so fix that with what dpkg told you about unmarkauto; also /msg dpkg install gnome
14:35<ShockDoc>no way
14:35<devil>ShockDoc: autoremove wants to be handled with a grain of salt
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14:35<thewanderer>jthomas_sb_: yeah, I know - I always use network-manager-gnome on KDE
14:35<ShockDoc>I love debian, but it's been a pain to customize it guys
14:35<thewanderer>or just wpa_supplicant
14:35<jthomas_sb_>ShockDoc don't install the metapackage, its easy as can be
14:36<BlueG>I'm running out of ideas... even after completely removing gstreamer and its various plugins and libraries, and totem, and reinstalling them, totem still says it can't create a gstreamer play object
14:36<ShockDoc>what metapackage jthomas_sb_ ?
14:37<jthomas_sb_>not sure what you put on there but whatever will cause your full-gonectomy
14:37<jthomas_sb_>\\gnomectomy
14:37<BlueG>I also removed the gstreamer config in ~/.gstreamer-0.10, is there something else that could still be interfering, or is gstreamer in the main lenny repository broken?
14:37<ramnet>BlueG: does sound work at all?
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14:37<ShockDoc>I haven't installed anything buy xchat, I've removed dasher and orca and ekiga so far jthomas_sb_
14:38<ShockDoc>but*
14:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 522] by debhelper
14:41<BlueG>ramnet: yes
14:41<BlueG>vlc works fine, for instance.
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14:42<BlueG>but brasero complains that gstreamer can't handle any codec I try to put on an audio disc, and totem complains that it can't create a gstreamer play object
14:43<ramnet>sound server running?
14:44<BlueG>ramnet: what would that be?
14:44<ramnet>pulseaudio for ex
14:45<BlueG>artsd? isn't that a kde sound server?
14:45<ramnet>it is....that's prolly your problem :)
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14:46<ramnet>get rid of that and install pulseaudio and gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio
14:47<devil>BlueG: artsd is a kde _3_ sound server
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14:51<jhutchins_lt>How about one that actually works like alsa?
14:51<jhutchins_lt>!alsa checklist
14:51<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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14:53<ramnet> jhutchins_lt: ubuntu uses pulseaudio on their gnome desktop and i've never had an issue with pulseaudio+debian6 so :)
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14:55<jhutchins_lt>I have fixed far more problems by removing pulseaudio than I have seen fixed by adding it. The fact that ubuntu uses it is an argument against it.
14:56<BlueG>I can play sound but gstreamer doesn't work. Killing artsd did not help.
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14:56<devil>jhutchins_lt: +1
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14:57<jhutchins_lt>,versions gstreamer
14:57<judd>Sorry, no package named 'gstreamer' was found in i386.
14:57<devil>BlueG: kde3 is unsupportable more less
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14:58<ramnet>BlueG: install gstreamer0.10-alsa and gstreamer0.10-plugins-* if they aren't then
14:58<jhutchins_lt>,versions gstreamer0
14:58<judd>Sorry, no package named 'gstreamer0' was found in i386.
14:58<jhutchins_lt>,versions gstreamer0.10
14:58<judd>Sorry, no package named 'gstreamer0.10' was found in i386.
14:58<mothermcfucker>Then what version is available?
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14:59<mothermcfucker>Install the latest version would be the solution
14:59<jhutchins_lt>,versions gstreamer0.10-tools
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14:59<judd>Package gstreamer0.10-tools on i386 -- lenny: 0.10.19-3; lenny-backports: 0.10.30-1~bpo50+1; sid: 0.10.30-1; squeeze: 0.10.30-1; wheezy: 0.10.30-1; experimental: 0.10.32-1
14:59<jhutchins_lt>BlueG: Have you tried the one from backports?
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15:02<BlueG>gstreamer0.10-alsa and the plugins are installed, I haven't tried getting them from backports
15:03<BlueG>I wonder if logging out and back in will make a difference.
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15:03<ramnet>worth a try :)
15:03<sahko>heh laptop-mode-tools recommends pm-utils but pm-utils conflicts with laptop-mode-tools
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15:04<retrospectacus>hah I guess laptop-mode-tools recommends you uninstall itself and use pm-utils
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15:05<ramnet>file a bug :)
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15:06<OddMod>is there a way to put multiple terminals on the backround of my desktop?
15:06<sahko>i need to set up mutt for bug reports. its gonna take a while
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15:09<sahko>also acpi-support depends on pm-utils. freakin nightmare
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15:11<BlueG>well, logging out and back in didn't fix gstreamer for me
15:11<Lantizia>if I have a long list of packages... is there any automated way of stripping packages not needed in the list due to others depending/recommending them anyway?
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15:16<jhutchins_lt>BlueG: Hm. Here, on squeeze, it launched the kde audio configuration and asked what device to use for "Music", but then did nothing.
15:16<jhutchins_lt>Trying again from console...
15:17<jhutchins_lt>command not found. Wierd.
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15:19<BlueG>yea, I just can't see why I can't get gstreamer working at all.
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15:22<jhutchins_lt>I appear to have it installed, but I have no clue how it's supposed to run.
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15:23<jhutchins_lt>It appears that it's a framework, not a program. Other programs use it.
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15:28<BlueG>right, it is things like totem and brasero that depend on gstreamer that are not working, but it looks like everything is properly installed
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15:37<BlueG>There really must be a way to get a working gstreamer installation on Lenny... isn't totem the default movie player with a default gnome desktop installation?
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15:40<jhutchins_lt>I'd try updating from backports then.
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15:42<BlueG>jhutchins_lt: that seems to cause conflicts... gstreamer seems to think plugins aren't installed, even though the plugin packages are installed
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15:58<jai>guten abend - leider habe ich es immer noch nicht geschafft den ton auf meinem debian system zu aktivieren - kann mir jemand einen tip geben ?
15:58<devil>jai: du willst nach #debian.de
15:58<devil>jai: oder sprich EN
15:59<jai>sorry yes i would like to join debian de
15:59<jai>but how to ?
15:59<devil>jai: klick it
15:59<weedeater64>!de
15:59<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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15:59<devil>jai: or do: /j #debian.de
16:00<jai>ok very easy if you know - thanks
16:00<tazz>hey jai
16:00<jai>doesnt work
16:00<tazz>oh ok... wrong jai :)
16:01<devil>jai: it does.
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16:01<devil>jai: just klick on the blue link
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16:02<jai>there is no blue link shown
16:03<BlueG>gst-inspect-0.10 fakesrc says no such element or plugin and the gstreamer documentation indicates that this means that I haven't installed GStreamer correctly. However, it appears to be installed in synaptic. I uninstalled and reinstalled, and got nothing. It doesn't work for any user, even when I created a new user, to see if older users configurations were broken or something.
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16:11<jhutchins_lt2>BlueG: Well, you could try purging it then reinstalling it, or deleting all the components with dpkg to avoid dependencies then reinstall.
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16:15<cg2011>!sound
16:15<dpkg>[sound] Ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <default alsa>. See also <devdsp>, <dmix>, <ac97>, <oss4>, <pulseaudio>, <esound>, <rs>, <arts>, <microphone>.
16:15<cg2011>!arts
16:15<dpkg>aRts (analog Real time synthesizer) is an audio framework used in KDE 2 and 3. http://www.arts-project.org/ . Dead upstream, replaced by the Phonon multimedia API in <KDE 4>.
16:15<cg2011>!devdsp
16:15<dpkg>[devdsp] If you are using <ALSA> and you get an error about /dev/dsp missing, you need to provide the OSS compatibility layer. Run "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules; the oss-compat package provides a <modprobe> configuration file which loads this module. A proposed Debian release goal is for packaged applications to stop using /dev/dsp: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/NoLinuxDevDsp
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16:16<cg2011>!esound
16:16<dpkg>[esd] Enlightened Sound Daemon, or the enhanced segfault daemon, EarSoreDaemon, Evil Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using <mpg123> on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. "My views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox. See also <pulseaudio>.
16:17<cg2011>!default alsa
16:17<dpkg>Use the /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc configuration files to set your default sound card. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ026 for more information.
16:17<cg2011>!oss4
16:17<dpkg>[oss4] Open Sound System is a cross-platform set of device drivers providing a standard audio API for Unix systems. OSS/Free was in the 2.2 and 2.4 series of Linux kernels, with OSS/Linux remaining proprietary, replaced by <ALSA> in Linux 2.6. Open Sound System v4.0 was made available under the GPLv2 in July 2007, packaged for Debian Squeeze. http://www.opensound.com/ #oss on irc.freenode.net.
16:18<BlueG>I guess I'll try again and make sure I purge, not just remove, all of the gstreamer stuff
16:18<cg2011>!rs
16:18<dpkg>A real soundcard (or a good soundcard, or better than bad) does hardware mixing, that means, play more audio streams at once, without any sound daemons and similar things. They are not expensive (depends on your demands of quality, but in general), get one and be happy.
16:19<cg2011>!alsaconf
16:19<dpkg>alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at version 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <default alsa>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS
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16:19<cg2011>!alsa checklist
16:19<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
16:20<cg2011>!alsa firmware
16:20<dpkg>Binary-only <firmware> is removed from the Cirrus Logic Sound Fusion CS46XX (snd-cs46xx), ESS Allegro/Maestro3 (snd-maestro3), Korg 1212 I/O (snd-korg1212) and Yamaha YMF (snd-ymfpci) ALSA drivers as of linux-2.6 2.6.23-1. Firmware from userspace is now required by these drivers. Ask me about <cs46xx>, <maestro3>, <korg1212> or <ymfpci> respectively. For E-MU Digital Audio Systems devices, ask me about <emu10k1>.
16:20<cg2011>!delta 1010
16:20<cg2011>what a flac is wrong with my audio???
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16:21<cg2011>!lspci
16:21<dpkg>lspci is probably a utility to display information about PCI buses in the system and their connected devices, provided by the pciutils package. Ask me about <lspci -k>, <pciids>, <pciid> or <hcl>. Use http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to match pciids to devices for the latest kernel.
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16:21<dreamer000>!emu10k1
16:21<dpkg>The snd-emu10k1 ALSA driver supports Creative Technology's Sound Blaster Live! (excluding Live! 24-bit), Sound Blaster Audigy (excluding value/SE editions) and E-MU Systems' "Digital Audio Systems" non-USB devices. Firmware from userspace is required for the E-MU 0404, 1212m, 1616, 1616m, 1820 and 1820m. E-MU firmware is not distributed by the Debian project; to acquire, refer to the procedure at http://wiki.debian.org/snd-emu10k1
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16:22<cg2011>hello, anyone here knows why on debian amd64 squeeze the sound isn't working -got a delta 1010 soundcard???
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16:25<cg2011>heeeeeelp... 8-D
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16:25<cg2011>will investigate more tomorrow, I'm dead tired
16:26<cg2011>!beer cg2011
16:26*dpkg pulls out a tasty Green Flash IPA for cg2011
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16:26<tuxcrafter>http://debian.pastebin.com/BrQE6RXz
16:26<tuxcrafter>can somebody help me with the avove lvm2 and insserv error
16:26<tuxcrafter>/avove/above/
16:28<tuxcrafter>summary of my problem installing lvm2 does not work on debian stable
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16:30<tuxcrafter>i found the issue i did not have udev installed
16:30<cg2011>no sound in debian squeeze, what a headache...
16:30<BlueG>ok, this time I made sure to select remove completely for all of the gstreamer stuff I could find, now I'm reinstalling everything.
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16:31<BlueG>newly installed gstreamer is still broken
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16:32<cg2011>hate it when alsa does this s#it to my soundcard...
16:32<cg2011>!beer cg2011
16:32*dpkg deftly decants a fine Gulden Drak for cg2011
16:32<BlueG>even completely purging and reinstalling all of gstreamer didn't help, I don't know what to do short of reinstalling all of debian from scratch
16:33<cg2011>what's your problem BlueG?
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16:34<BlueG>totem complains it can't create a gstreamer play object, brasero says gstreamer doesn't have the plugin to handle any codecs, and gst-inspect-0.10 fakesrc says, "No such element or plugin"
16:34<BlueG>In short, gstreamer is completely borked, even after purging and reinstalling from default lenny repos.
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16:36<cg2011>did you try squeeze?
16:36<cg2011>it's stable...
16:37<cg2011>(no sound on my pretty expensive m-audio delta 1010, but stable)
16:37<BlueG>cg2011: I did, but it seems to still be crashing on my 82845 rev01 graphics chipset.
16:37<cg2011>what, no drivers for that?
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16:38<BlueG>cg2011: Its not that there are no drivers, it just freezes at random.
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16:38<cg2011>that's pretty serious..
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16:38<cg2011>did you check the fan or anything hardwarewise?
16:39<cg2011>#hardware wise
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16:39<cg2011>#damn keyboard
16:39<Raid>'re you using ALSA??
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16:41<cg2011>who me? yes
16:41<cg2011>tried everything in the debian wiki
16:41<Raid>did you try to update to 1.0.23??
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16:41<Raid>It may solve your issue... but sometimes it makes another ones...
16:41<BlueG>well, I am going to go back to trying to get squeeze to work...
16:42<Raid>It is an Intel soundcard?
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16:43<Raid>If it's an Intel he should try to download HDA-Analyzer... it would work
16:43<cg2011>Delta 1010 uses the ice1712 driver... it worked before, and yes I set it as the default soundcard.....
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16:47<cg2011>!damn soundcard fix yourself NOW
16:47*dpkg sends soundcard fix yourself NOW to the deepest circle of hell, reserved for mutineers and betrayers.
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16:47<cg2011>didn't work...
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16:50<daemonkeeper>You must use the latest bleeding edge build of "fix it now". Get a backport first!
16:50<cg2011>!beer cg2011
16:50*dpkg pours a litre of Piraat for cg2011
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16:50<cg2011>!damn dpkg
16:50*dpkg sends dpkg to the deepest circle of hell, reserved for mutineers and betrayers.
16:51<cg2011>bye bye peeps, will investigate the dreaded alsa driver tomorrow
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16:59<flower>what is a pretty safe way to send a private doc to someone who is not a geek and uses osx?
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17:00<daemonkeeper>Pen and paper.
17:00<mc68040>flower: fax?
17:00<flower>hehe
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17:00<flower>digital
17:01<zem>how secure are we talking about here?
17:01<flower>consumer safety...
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17:02<flower>save it with a passwd in libreoffice?
17:02<And1>Hey folks, any ideas how I could find out why I get a beep when my X-server (gdm, then xmonad) is starting? It happens since I'm using nouveau... but it seems not to be a nouveau problem or thing...
17:03<daemonkeeper>And how do you want to transfer that given password reliable and secure flower?
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17:03<flower>daemonkeeper: on a not very secure way I guess ;)
17:03<daemonkeeper>Like what? Putting it into the document? :p
17:03<flower>hmm sms
17:04<retrospectacus>telephone
17:04<daemonkeeper>Well, at least you would use a different channel then
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17:04<flower>telephone, by text message (sms)
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17:04<zem>for the real deal, you'd have to use the whole package, encripting & signing, with certified keys...
17:05<flower>right
17:05<vadim>hi everyone. i'm new to Debian and wanted to know: proposed-updates=unstable updates or not??? thx in advance
17:05<mc68040>And1: you are using gdm?
17:06<daemonkeeper>vadim: No, its not. Use /msg dpkg proposed-updates
17:06<ansgar>vadim: No, proposed-updates has updates that will (most likely) be included in the next update of the stable release.
17:06<mc68040>And1: theres a setting for blind people when gdm is ready to accept input, this is enabled by default AFAIK
17:06<zem>flower: well, unless you are sending something worth a lot of money, or something goverment would be interested in, you should be fine with your simple solution i guess (just use a good password)
17:06<And1>mc68040: How would I disable this?
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17:09<mc68040>And1: uhm, i have german locale here...
17:10<mc68040>And1: from login screen: Actions->Configure login screen->Accessibility
17:11<And1>mc68040: Ok I'll try that, thanks. :)
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17:11<mc68040>And1: and there you can disable "accessible login"
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17:17<And1>mc68040: "Enable accessible login" is unchecked...
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17:18<mc68040>And1: sorry. no idea then
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17:20<lefedy>Any way to change the login prompt for a remote system?
17:21<lefedy>Right now it says: username@host password:
17:21<mc68040>lefedy: maybe /etc/issue.net
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17:22<And1>mc68040: Never mind, thanks though... :)
17:22<lefedy>Kind of. that is the banner.
17:22<lefedy>Shows up before the prompt
17:22<lefedy>thanks though :-)
17:23<lefedy>I want to change the part that says "username@host password:
17:23<lefedy>cannot find anything on it... I keep getting remote login using Xserver when I do a search
17:23<lefedy>I have no desktop environment installed
17:25<daemonkeeper>That is the output from SSH.
17:25<daemonkeeper>What do you want to change there?
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17:25<lefedy>I just want it to say "username:" and "password:"
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17:25<lefedy>and possibly edit it later to use other variables
17:26<daemonkeeper>Well, feel free to replace a single string in your ssh client and recompile.
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17:26<lefedy>So when you say it is the output of SSH would I use the sshd_config file (or whatever the name is)?
17:27<lefedy>I did not see anything in there that looked like what I needed.
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17:27<daemonkeeper>Its the client whichs prompts you and you can't change the password prompt unless I'm completely wrong.
17:28<lefedy>Okay... this is turning out to be more in depth than I had imagined.
17:29<daemonkeeper>You could use key and not getting any prompt at all?
17:29<lefedy>I run the server so I should be able to edit it if I can find the right file.
17:29<daemonkeeper>+a
17:29<daemonkeeper>The server doesn't matter. The /client/ prompts you for a password which sends it encrypted to the remote end.
17:30<lefedy>Oh I see.
17:30<lefedy>So its not serverside
17:30<lefedy>dange
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17:30<lefedy>Oh well. I guess its not that big of a deal.
17:31<lefedy>I will end up using the issue.net I suppose as well as motd.
17:31<daemonkeeper>No, just replace a single string in the SSH client source. Not that I would see the reason to do.
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17:32<daemonkeeper>You can even prompt something _before_ logging in (e.g. before getting a password prompt) if your actual goal is to provide some kind user information.
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17:33<lefedy>So in the issue.net I could provide a prompt?
17:33<daemonkeeper>Not a prompt, but a textual output
17:33<lefedy>okay.
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17:34<daemonkeeper>Why do you care about the prompt?
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17:34<lefedy>I am thinking about using a disclaimer for anyone who uses the server.
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17:34<lefedy>But I guess I could do that by just saying if you login you agree to this and that.
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17:35<daemonkeeper>You may want to use issue, yes.
17:35<lefedy>Nothing super extesnive just something to keep me from being responsible if anyone does anything that may cause prblems
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17:36<lefedy>Yeah, I suppose I'll just do that. Although you have given me new insight on this.
17:36<lefedy>Thanks
17:36<daemonkeeper>Depending on your country, this does not liberate you from anything though ...
17:37<mc68040>lefedy: theres a parameter "Banner" in sshd_config, maybe you have to set this one too
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17:37<lefedy>It is set to off.
17:37<daemonkeeper>Yup
17:37<daemonkeeper>One must enable it
17:38<lefedy>I will be turning that on and editing issue tonight
17:38<daemonkeeper>Like "Do whatever you want, but I'm not responsible for the illegal acitivities you do on my hardware" is legally a difficult discussion.
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17:38<mc68040>lefedy: not "on" but you have to supply a filename (man sshd_config)
17:39<daemonkeeper>mc68040: For Debian the default is fine, he just needs to uncomment it to display /etc/issue
17:39<lefedy>Well, it would be half disclaimer and half warning that I will provide information if authorities request it.
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17:39<lefedy>I am not going to have many people using this just a small number so I am not too worried. Just trying to take precausions
17:39<lefedy>I better go
17:39<mc68040>daemonkeeper: you are right
17:39<lefedy>Thank you guys
17:40<winsen>hello everybody
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18:04<sret>ok weird my debian machine lost internet connection, just like that
18:04<sret>on my windows machine i have connection just not on the debian
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18:07<sret>that is weird, i restarted and it came back on, lease on the ip expired or something?
18:09<retrospectacus>lots of reasons that could happen
18:09<sret>name a few pls
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18:12<sret>its not like i was updating or anything, the system was idling and lost connection
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18:14<swim>hello everyone
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18:14<retrospectacus>sret 1. your cat ate the Ethernet cable 2. someone turned on the microwave 3. someone poured beer on the router 4. etc
18:15<swim>i have a problem with vlc in debian its not working ... when i run vlc it shows vlc loading but than nothing ...
18:15<sret>none of that happened, windows was working and debian lost connection
18:15<sret>i cant see why it would do that even if i restarted the router, i had to restart the system it get it back
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18:16<retrospectacus>sret, well if it happens again and we have some detailed info we may be able to trouble shoot
18:16<sret>what kinda info can i look at to see why it disconnected?
18:17<swim>anyone have issue with vlc ?
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18:18<swim>i need vlc to watch streaming from the sat reciver .. it opens only with vlc :S
18:18<EZmoney>anyone having issues with squeeze mounting usb or sd card?
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18:23<retrospectacus>EZmoney, just you. describe
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18:24<EZmoney>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error
18:24<sahko>EZmoney: i did in gnome as well. it helped getting rid of the cdrom entry in /etc/fstab
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18:25<retrospectacus>EZmoney: exactly
18:25<retrospectacus>you install by usb?
18:25<EZmoney>did you install from usb drive?
18:25<EZmoney>heh
18:25<sahko>EZmoney: yes
18:25<EZmoney>yes i did
18:26<EZmoney>ah ha
18:26<retrospectacus>yeah the installer puts a CDROM entry for /dev/sdb1 (your usb "CD" so it thinks)
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18:26<EZmoney>yes it is a netbook with no cdrom
18:26<sret>retrospectacus: so any idea what should i be checking for
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18:28<root_>sid security?
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18:28<nroot>deb http://security.debian.org/ sid/updates main contrib non-free
18:28<EZmoney>ok thanks
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18:29<tompa>hi, im running Linux Mint (debian edition) and got this error when installing ltsp with ltsp-build-client: " /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/common/010-chroot-tagging: line 3: /mnt/i386/etc/ltsp_chroot: No such file or directory"
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18:32<ml|_>tompa: you want... #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support
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18:33<nroot>http://pastie.org/1576761
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18:34<tompa>ok thanks mlj
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18:38<sahko>now that i have debian multimedia enabled, why is it that when i search for mplayer dont i get result for the mplayer in the official repositories?
18:38<sahko>is that supposed to be that way?
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18:42<marcello^>hello
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18:42<marcello^> /msg dpkg squeeze
18:43<devil>sahko: how do you search?
18:44<devil>sahko: apt-cache policy mplayer should show all instances
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18:45<sahko>with aptitude, i havent gotten into doing much with anything else yet:)
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18:54<sret>retrospectacus: im looking at syslog, what should i be looking for in there regarding the disconnection?
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18:55<retrospectacus>I would search for "net" or "down" - you may also look in dmesg
18:56<sret>ok
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18:57<sret>ahh
18:57<sret>at 16:38 : i see DHCPv4 state cjamhed remew -> expire
18:57<sret>cjamhed/changed
18:57<retrospectacus>huh
18:58<retrospectacus>dhcpcd should be handling that
18:58<sret>from there on it fialed
18:58<sret>info (eth0) device state change:8>9 (reason6)
18:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 486] by debhelper
18:59<sret>info marking connection 'auto eth0' invalid because IP configuration expired
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18:59<sret><warn> activation eth0 failed
18:59<sret>and then it went down from there
18:59<retrospectacus>hmm
19:00<sret>at about 16:38 till i came and rebooted the machine
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19:00<retrospectacus>pastebin?
19:00<sret>ok
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19:01<sret>http://paste.debian.net/108020
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19:02<retrospectacus>eb 17 16:38:33 Lycan dhclient: DHCPNAK from 192.168.0.1
19:02<retrospectacus>your DHCP server does not like you for some reason :(
19:03<sret>whats wrong with my dhcp server now
19:04<retrospectacus>he said NAK to your request, what a jerk, don't know why
19:05<sret>so this was a DHCP expiration issue wasn tit?
19:05<sret>so if it happens again i just restart dhclient?
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19:05<retrospectacus>perhaps
19:05<sret>or/
19:05<sret>?
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19:06<retrospectacus>it's not dhclient's fault, unless he is seeing ACK as NAK or something stupid like that (some giant bug, unlikely)
19:06<raph_ael>hi
19:07<sret>retrospectacus: bug where? in the router?
19:07<raph_ael>is there a channel to point some strange bugs in unstable ?
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19:07<retrospectacus>sret you may investigate on the dhcp server why he said NAK
19:07<sret>retrospectacus: heh who is he here
19:08<retrospectacus>he is 192.168.0.1
19:08<sret>thats the router
19:08<sret>the debian box is on 0.8
19:08<retrospectacus>I know
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19:09<retrospectacus>I'm saying, judging by the first 2 lines on your paste, the router has refused to allow 0.8 to renew his IP. I don't know why, you may be able to find out by looking at the router.
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19:10<sret>im looking at the router logs, doesnt say much
19:10<sret>i have iptables running here too, could that interfere with anything?
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19:11<retrospectacus>it could, if you are doing MAC address mangling or such
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19:11<sret>ok uess what its changed it to 0.3 now
19:11<_Vi>I have multiple memory allocation problems in GTK programs (gimp, remmina, gnucash). They happens only when I run programs from my user account. If I run them as different user account they works right. How to investigate?
19:11<sret>how to i make it stick to 0.8?
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19:11<_Vi>(I already tried moving out all dotfiles)
19:12<retrospectacus>sret you could set it statically on debian or on the router
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19:12<bonny>I'm trying to edit my disk (ad0) on squeeze but he says I have no permission to access the disk, logged as root
19:13<bonny>can anyone help me ?
19:13<sret>retrospectacus: it shouldn't matter i have dynamic ip? how do i do it in debian instead/
19:13<retrospectacus>_Vi, can we get a pastebin of some commands and errors?
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19:13<raph_ael>bonny: never saw ad0 except on bsd systems
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19:14<_Vi>Yes. /* have just remembered that I mangled some things in limits.conf */
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19:14<retrospectacus>sret I am not sure. Used to be you edit /etc/network/interface (man interfaces) but I think that is being replaced
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19:14<bonny>raph_ael how is the correct name ?
19:14<sret>retrospectacus: in the router i have an option to add address reservation
19:14<sret>id rather do this via debian
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19:15<ramnet>sret: you'd have to use static (non-dhcp) configuration. and you'd have to tell your dhcpd not to assign .8 to any other client too.
19:15<retrospectacus>bonny: what OS version, what kind of disk, what partition scheme, fs type, errors .. please
19:16<sret>ramnet: will this work for dynamic ips too?
19:16<raph_ael>bonny: type mount or dmesg
19:16<ramnet>you'd have to use reservation on the router for that
19:16<bonny>retrospectacus debian 6 squeeze, 40 gb to / and no swap (because problems during install), fs ufs, error: no permission to edit or read
19:17<bonny>raph_ael /dev/ad0s1 on / (ufs, local)
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19:17<_Vi>retrospectacus, https://gist.github.com/833026
19:17<raph_ael>bonny: are you running kfreebsd ?
19:18<bonny>cfdisk /dev/ad0 -> Disco aberto somente para leitura - você não tem permissão para gravar "Disk is read only - you don't have permission to write"
19:19<raph_ael>ufs is read only on linux
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19:19<bonny>haha
19:19<bonny>how I create new partitions ?
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19:20<raph_ael>change your filesystem
19:21<retrospectacus>_Vi: how does "ulimit -a" and "free -m" look?
19:22<bonny>raph_ael how I change ufs to rw ? kernel options ?
19:22<_Vi>retrospectacus, Updated the gist: https://gist.github.com/833026
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19:22<raph_ael>so i'm on sid, i've upgraded to 2.6.37 and gnome menus/interface has huge font size on wms other than gnome, if i go back to 2.6.32, everything goes back to normal, i don't understand this bug
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19:23<raph_ael>bonny: i think so, but not sure
19:23<_Vi>retrospectacus, The difference from standard is increased "max locked memory" and increased "real-time priority".
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19:24<retrospectacus>yeah I have only 64 for -l
19:24<ramnet>bonny: Linux includes a UFS implementation for binary compatibility at the read level with other Unixes, but since there is no standard implementation for the vendor extensions to UFS, Linux does not have full support for writing to UFS.
19:24<student>sup
19:25<_Vi>retrospectacus, Looks like I found the reason. "echo $LD_PRELOAD" -> "/usr/lib/libmlockall.so". I don't know why it got to LD_PRELOAD (but suspect).
19:25<_Vi>retrospectacus, The problem resolved.
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19:26<bonny>ramnet http://ghantoos.org/2009/04/04/mounting-ufs-in-readwrite-under-linux/
19:26<retrospectacus>_Vi: what is that file?
19:26<bonny>you think this works ?
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19:26<ramnet>bonny: no idea - try it and let us know ;)
19:26<bonny>ok
19:27<student>hello
19:27<_Vi>retrospectacus, It's my little library to force process tree to stay locked in memory: https://github.com/vi/libmlockall
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19:27<raph_ael>so nobody encountered my strange gnome display bug ?
19:27<sonic>i peoplle
19:28<sonic>hi people
19:28<_Vi>retrospectacus, I specified it for window manager, but forgot that it launches all my programs.
19:29<sonic>are u guys listeningto me
19:29<retrospectacus>sonic: you may have noticed, this is a technical support channel. If you have a debian question, just ask! If not, please be quiet
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19:29<retrospectacus>_Vi: gotcha. Interesting idea too
19:29<sonic>oh srry
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19:29<sonic>icant get internet
19:30<retrospectacus>sonic: yes you can, you're looking at it
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19:30<sonic>no i cant goon browser
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19:31<sonic>so ow ol ae u guys
19:31-!-jsubl2 [~jsubl2@99-67-114-132.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: leaving]
19:31<sonic>so how old are u guys
19:31<retrospectacus>sonic, what version of Debian are you running? What browser +version? What are the symptoms/errors when you try to go online? Please don't chat
19:31<sonic>bitch
19:32<sonic>eepc
19:32<winsen>hello everybody
19:32<sonic>sup
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19:33<sonic>fbkdf
19:33<sonic>greg
19:33<sonic>gre
19:33<sonic>gr
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19:33<freelux>hello
19:33<freelux>ya du monde ?
19:33<winsen>please, could you guive me tutorial virtualbox for debian squeeze? thank you
19:34<retrospectacus>!fr
19:34<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
19:34<raph_ael>freelux: english speaking, else try #debian-fr
19:34<retrospectacus>!virtualbox
19:34<dpkg>VirtualBox is a virtual machine solution. To install, ask me about <vbox-install squeeze> or <vbox-install lenny>. http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox manual>, <vbox guest-utils>, <vbox-ose vs vbox>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>.
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19:34<freelux>oki but nobody seem alive on debian-fr
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19:34<retrospectacus>freelux: you may try asking in English here
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19:37<raph_ael>retrospectacus: is there a dedicated chan for unstable or should i continue to ask here ?
19:37<raph_ael>i remember having bad answers last time i asked :)
19:38<jhutchins_lt>raph_ael: You shouldn't be running unstable if you have to come here for help, but we'll do what we can.
19:38<retrospectacus>unstable is not officially supported here and I don't know of any channel for it. I didn't really understand your problem, you have multiple desktop env.s?
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19:40<raph_ael>jhutchins_lt: unstable mostly works for me for years, and finally it comes to stable one day, so pointing bugs is not so bad :)
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19:41<ramnet>raph_ael: better to run testing in that case. unstable breaks from time to time on purpose :)
19:41<raph_ael>retrospectacus: i run gtk apps on other wms than gnome, and the interface gets abnormally huge except on gnome, but only with 2.6.37 not on 2.6.32 which is really strange
19:42<raph_ael>ramnet: strangely i got more problems running testing than unstable, that's why i got back to unstable
19:42<mosno>the only problem i've had with testing is missing packages
19:42<mosno>not that i run testing anymore
19:43<jhutchins_lt>raph_ael: unstable never becomes stable.
19:43<jhutchins_lt>raph_ael: Testing becomes stable.
19:43<mosno>but unstable is just a flood of updates, each of which i fear might break stuff
19:44<raph_ael>mosno: when i began using safe-upgrade and never full-upgrade, the system did not broke anymore
19:44<raph_ael>jhutchins_lt: well testing packages don't come from heaven
19:45<mosno>raph_ael, there are other classes of breakage besides dependency hell
19:45<raph_ael>but i wasn't intending to start some kind of flame war about this
19:45<mosno>fwiw, i run stable
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19:46<retrospectacus>raph_ael well the gnome WM is metacity - maybe there is a DPI setting affecting only it
19:46<raph_ael>my question about a special chan was to avoid those kind of discussion :)
19:47<raph_ael>retrospectacus: maybe, i just don't see how switching kernel could change those kind of things
19:47<marnanel>there is not a DPI setting specifically for metacity.
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19:48<ramnet>kernel affects the devices so it's entirely possible it affected something
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19:49<raph_ael>ramnet: the thing is, all is ok in gnome, and not everywhere else, but maybe i'll wait for some upgrades
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19:49<raph_ael>retrospectacus: ramnet : thanks for helping
19:50<retrospectacus>raph_ael: you may try lowering /specifying DPI in xorg.conf
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19:50<sonic>im back
19:50<retrospectacus>for how long, I wonder?
19:50<dvs>forever!
19:50<sonic>1 in
19:51<sonic>1 min
19:51<raph_ael>retrospectacus: i'll try this, thanks
19:51<sonic>brb
19:52<retrospectacus>raph_ael: I had to do this on my laptop at home so I can't see the details but there was a thing called "UseEDEDPI" "no" or some wacky thing, and "DPI" "96x96" or whatever
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19:53<raph_ael>retrospectacus: i'll try googling for this
19:53<sonic>sex
19:53*themill wonders if sonic really wants #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
19:53<sonic>i do
19:54<raph_ael>time to sleep, bye
19:54<sonic>bye
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19:56<bonny>thanks for the help
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20:00<sret>ramnet: that worked
20:00<sret>i set it in the router, didnt do nothing to debian, 0.8 is reserved fr debian now
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20:00<sret>sonic?
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20:01<ramnet>a moron :)
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20:01<themill>student_: play time is over now.
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20:29<retrospectacus>is there a apt/dpkg command to purge files from packages that were removed without purging?
20:31<retrospectacus>it's just telling me Package p is not installed, so not removed
20:31<retrospectacus>but the old files are still hanging around
20:31<kop>retrospectacus: aptitude purge foo
20:32<retrospectacus>ah sweet
20:32<rww>or apt-get purge packagename. or aptitude purge ~c to purge all removed and not purged packages.
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20:33<retrospectacus>thanks
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20:47<brobinson>I am having a strange problem, I have used debian since "sarge", I am trying to upgrade to Squeeze I get the following error on install "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources" does anyone know why this is?
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20:49<k-man>can anyone recommend an online backup provider?
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20:51<brobinson>I am having a strange problem, I have used debian since "sarge", I am trying to upgrade to Squeeze I get the following error on install "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources" does anyone know why this is?
20:52<k-man>anyone tried crashplan?
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20:54<brobinson>I am having a strange problem, I have used debian since "sarge", I am trying to upgrade to Squeeze I get the following error on install "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources" does anyone know why this is?
20:55<babilen>brobinson: no need to repeat your question that often :)
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20:55<babilen>brobinson: You are upgrading from lenny to squeeze following the release notes?
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20:58<yamina>yes
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20:58<Flimzy>Is there any way to get the new gwenview interface to not suck so much? Like specifically, can I get back my list view, instead of the annoying thumbnail view?
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21:17<k-man>i wish there was a service like crashplan that used rsync instead of their own proprietry backup software
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21:22<cirvin>has anyone had a problem with openGL graphics not showing up on the screen under squeeze using an ATi HD3200 gpu?
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21:23<Ahoalton>I have a problem that I can't seem to find in documentation
21:23<Ahoalton>hello
21:23<nevyn>!ask
21:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:24<Ahoalton>I got almost all the way through the install and it asks where to put the MBR
21:25<Ahoalton>I want to put it on the Ext HD that I installed Debian to, but I didn't know which command to put it the box
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21:32<Ahoalton>can anyone help me
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21:35<Flimzy>what's the device name of your ext hard drive?
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21:36<Ahoalton>what do you eman device?
21:36<Ahoalton>its a WD 259 GB passport
21:37<nutterpc>to go for sid, i just change squeeze to sid in sources.list correct?
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21:39<Ahoalton>everything went well til the end of the install where it asks me to tell it where to place the MBR and I didn't know what to put
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21:45<Ahoalton>will some one explain how supergrub works and why someone is reccomending me to try it?
21:45<vegeta>hello
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21:46<Ahoalton>hello
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21:47<a123456789>where can put down iso of debian?who can tell me
21:47<a123456789>i am thanks a lot
21:48<a123456789>hello ,noone
21:48<a123456789>?
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21:48<Ahoalton>what do you mean put down?
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21:54<adb>!supergrub
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21:54<dpkg>[supergrub] Super Grub Disk, a fork of <GRUB>, is available for download at http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ . It can be used to repair existing GRUB installations, see http://www.supergrubdisk.org/w/index.php5?title=FixBootOfLinuxOption . See also <fixmbr>.
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21:54<ramnet>a123456789: http://www.debian.org/CD/
21:54<winsen>hello
21:54<winsen>what's the equivalent of nero for debian squeeze ? thanks
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21:56<adb>brasero , k3b
21:57<winsen>adb>hi, thanks for answer, did you test either?
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21:57<winsen>adb>are you there?
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21:58<adb>apt-cache search burn cd
21:58<adb>winsen, yes
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22:03<winsen>adb>tell me, witch one is the best ?
22:04<ramnet>brasero for gnome, k3b for kde
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22:05<ramnet>i like brasero better myself
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22:05<adb>winsen, 'the best' depends on what you'll like
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22:08<winsen>i think witch is stable is the best,
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22:10<dgirz>salut qui qui sait reparer la konsole sous bt4
22:10<winsen>ramnet>actualy, you're with Gnome or Kde?
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22:10<dgirz>kde
22:10<ml|_>!bt4
22:10<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
22:10<ml|_>dgirz: ^
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22:12<dgirz>merci j avais pas vu que c est debian ici
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22:16<dgirz>y en a qui connaisse 3MX ?
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22:17<dgirz>mini distribution pour laptop derive de debian
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22:17<ml|_>!fr
22:17<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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22:25<sney>got my new laptop, debian install coming right up
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22:27<bones_was_here>sney: i hope it hasn't got nvidia suboptimus :)
22:28<sney>it has an ati mobility something or other
22:28<sney>I haven't even booted it yet, waiting on the netinst download
22:29<ml|_>http://thinkwiki.org should help on issues/questions
22:29<bones_was_here>did u get a refund for the windows premium plus home ultimate edition license?
22:30<sney>it just came with xp, and nah, I'm not a computer activist
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22:31<sney>only paid $330 for the whole computer anyway, including shipping
22:31<bones_was_here>ahh ok
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22:32<bones_was_here>i've never brought myself to buy a new laptop so never had the chance to see what its like trying to get the refund
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22:33<sney>I bet it's more hassle than it's worth, if you consider the monetary value of your own wasted time
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22:34<bones_was_here>probably true, but i hate microsoft for some of their underhanded practises so i REALLY dont want them to have my money :)
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22:36<sney>of course, when you fight an OEM for a Windows refund, you're only causing trouble for them. Microsoft has already been paid, that's how reselling works.
22:36<sney>and here we go into offtopic. I haven't done ati drivers the debian way before, I wonder how much of a pain it is
22:38<bones_was_here>if enough people cause trouble for the OEM, they might start offering machines not bundled with windows :)
22:38<sney>some do
22:39<sney>I'm trying the graphical install. never done this before
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22:39<bones_was_here>the power management might be good enough on the foss radeon drivers that you can avoid fglrx (a $330 laptop sounds more like a netbook than a gaming rig)
22:39<sney>yeah, the most gaming I'll be doing is minecraft
22:39<sney>we'll see how it goes
22:40<winsen>i can not see video on youtube, with debian squeeze,
22:40<sney>radeonhd - which as I understand it is the evolution of the r300-dri project - has a pretty good reputation. certainly better than nouveau
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22:40<sney>winsen: what browser
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22:41<bones_was_here>winsen: youtube.com/html5 - with a modern browser, many videos can be watched without flash, but for all videos to work, you'll need flash :(
22:41<winsen>both epyphany and firefox
22:41<retrospectacus>winsen: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
22:42<bones_was_here>you'll need to add contrib and/or non-free to your sources.list for the above to work ^
22:42<EZmoney>you can download flash movies without installing flash,and watch them in VLC etc.
22:43<retrospectacus>yes apt-get install youtube-dl
22:44<EZmoney>some security doing it that way
22:44<winsen>thanks for answer, but where can i found contrib and/or non-free and where should i add them? thank you
22:44<winsen>ok i am testing
22:45<retrospectacus>!tell winsen -about sources.list
22:45-!-Xenguy [~gnu@206-248-151-3.dsl.ncf.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving]
22:46<retrospectacus>!tell winsen -about non-free
22:46<kop>!tell winsen about overview
22:46<retrospectacus>!tell winsen about non-free sources
22:46<retrospectacus>sorry winsen :(
22:46<vegeta>sup
22:47<vegeta>hi guys
22:47<retrospectacus>hey
22:47<winsen>apt-get install youtube-dl> it said impossible to foun package
22:47<vegeta>hello
22:47<vegeta>heyy
22:47<bones_was_here>hai
22:48<syndicate>and if you ever need the caption from youtube, you can use iceweasel with greasemonkey and this userscript: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/50003
22:48<winsen><retrospectacus>no problem, don't be sorry
22:48<bones_was_here>youtube-dl is only in sid (unstable)
22:48<sney>hmm, I can just copy firmware files into the root of the installer, right
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22:48<retrospectacus>oh my bad then
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22:49<retrospectacus>,versions youtube-dl
22:49<judd>Package youtube-dl on i386 -- sid: 2011.01.30-2
22:49<kop>sney: You copy them anywhere the installer will be able to get to them. It'll ask where they are.
22:49<vegeta>helo
22:49<kop>sney: (IIRC, RTFM.)
22:49<vegeta>hey guys
22:49<sney>kop: yeah, turns out it's read only anyway so I'm going around the barn a different way
22:50<sney>hi vegeta
22:50<kop>vegeta: If you have a question just ask.
22:50<winsen>you said youtube -dl is unstable
22:50<winsen>and same for sound, cause i had same probleme with sound,
22:51<winsen>i tested deezer it doesn't work
22:52<vegeta>im bod
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22:52<winsen>so, witch package should i add to listen deezer?
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22:54<vegeta>im bor
22:55<vegeta>im bord
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22:55<sney>congratulations, this is a help channel, if you don't need help please go be bored somewhere else
22:56<winsen><retrospectacus> are you there?
22:57<EZmoney>thats where old hardware comes in handy for testing software
22:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 477] by debhelper
22:59<EZmoney>winsen try typing ret then tab key
22:59<EZmoney>with <> nicks wont respond
23:00<EZmoney>Nick tab complete
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23:03<Aleric>How would I run two processes in parallel (using two cores), but not continue until both are done, on the bash shell prompt?
23:04<Aleric>Would something like this work: (proc1 & proc2); echo "done"
23:04<Aleric>%-)
23:04<sney>I don't know, but when you find out, please share
23:05<vegeta>do u guys know how 2 get a virus of u laptop
23:05<EZmoney>cpu0 cpu1
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23:06<twb>vegeta: the same way you get all software on a laptop -- install it
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23:06<bones_was_here>apt-get install msblaster? :)
23:06<gohan4748>do u guy know how to get a virus off ur computer
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23:07<twb>bones_was_here: right
23:07<gohan4748>how u do it
23:07<bones_was_here>gohan4748: aptitude purge virus32
23:07<twb>gohan4748: uninstall it
23:08<bones_was_here>!windows
23:08<dpkg>"PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work." Support for Microsoft Windows operating systems is available at ##windows on irc.freenode.net.
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23:08<gohan4748>no my friend did now im stock with a virus
23:08<twb>Oh this is #debian
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23:08<twb>I thought it was ##security, the questions were so retarded
23:08<sney>or maybe #backtrack
23:08<gohan4748>#fun
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23:08<bones_was_here>haha #backtrack sounds amusing
23:09<bones_was_here>probably full of endless 'how do i h4xx wifi'
23:09<sney>I bet they have a lot of fun with the script kiddies
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23:09<sney>like the guy who installed it in a vm and thought he could use wifi tools, good grief
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23:09<bones_was_here>lololo
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23:11<Aleric>sney: (echo "Running 1"; sleep 4; echo "Finished 1") & (echo "Running 2"; sleep 1; echo "Finished 2") && fg >/dev/null && echo done
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23:12<sney>neat
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23:12<twb>bones_was_here: the funniest ones are (paraphrasing): "someone please write a C program for me to exploit CVE-NNNN-NNN"
23:13<Aleric>sney: oh... that only works if the second finished first :/ .. otherwise 'fg' gives an error.
23:13<twb>Aleric: what do you want to achieve?
23:13<bones_was_here>twb: hahahaohwow.jpg
23:14<mib_h0nqwc>is there someone around who can do a quick&simple NMU?
23:14<twb>Aleric: f & g & wait
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23:15<Aleric>twb: In a shell script run two processes in parallel, wait till both finished and then evaluate the return values of both (if either failed, I want my subsequent test to succeed).
23:15<twb>Aleric: you can't capture return values of both
23:15<twb>You might be able to do something like
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23:16<twb>[ "xy" = "$((f&&echo x) & (g&&echoy) & wait)" ]
23:16<twb>Try #bash on Freenode.
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23:20*Aleric is doing delta debugging (http://delta.tigris.org)... and in my test I compile with and without optimization (and then run both in valgrind: with optimization give a read of uninitialized memory, while the one without optimization doesn't).
23:20<Aleric>So, I wanted to do the compiles of with and without optimization in parallel ;)
23:21<twb>Aleric: use a makefile
23:21<twb>make -j2 test
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23:21<Talon>how would you dump all installed packages to a file? I'm switching to squeeze on my computers, i did my laptop first before i messed with my main pc, now that i got it all working wonderfully, when i install on my big pc i'd like to simply mirror my list of installed packages.
23:21<twb>Talon: dpkg --get-selections
23:21<twb>Talon: (guess how you read it back in)
23:22<Talon>wait, i can let dpkg use a file so i don't haveto scan and click and search?
23:22<twb>Talon: given that Debian doesn't require mice, I would say: yes.
23:23<mib_h0nqwc>heh, i used dpkg -l|grep ^ii|cut -f 3 -d' '
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23:23<twb>mib_h0nqwc: myeah, don't
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23:24<mib_h0nqwc>a little late now
23:24<Talon>so, i would like dpkg --get-selections > mylist ? or does it ask you what to save to..
23:24<twb>Having said that, --get-selections doesn't preserve the markauto information
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23:25<twb>That being /var/lib/apt/extended_states
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23:31<mib_h0nqwc>so, is my hope of running across anyone who can do an NMU on the spot futile?
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23:34<cato_odubhagain>who is numpy
23:34<gohan4748>hi
23:34<cato_odubhagain>hello
23:35<cato_odubhagain>sorry learning this thing
23:35*Talon sighs
23:35<twb>mib_h0nqwc: why do you want such a thing?
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23:36<winsen>have nice day or good night everybody
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23:37<mib_h0nqwc>twb: someone requested it in debbugs months ago, and it's been just sitting there, with no attention from the maintainer. i ran across it and am annoyed
23:37<twb>BTW number
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23:37<twb>?
23:37<twb>ARGH
23:37<twb>mib_h0nqwc: what is the bug number
23:37<mib_h0nqwc>#580771
23:38<mib_h0nqwc>read the last entry
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23:38<mercutio22>hey
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23:39<mercutio22>I need some help here. Killed metacity, need to launch it again without killing X. gnome terminal does not seem to accept keyboard imputs
23:39<mercutio22>I cant alternate windows
23:39<twb>mib_h0nqwc: OK, try #debian-mentors and #debian-devel. Or just be patient.
23:39<mercutio22>how can I run metacity --replace?
23:39<twb>mib_h0nqwc: it doesn't seem like a high-profile or urgent fix
23:40<twb>mercutio22: do you have access to a TTY?
23:40<nadir>mercutio22, try alt+F2
23:40<mercutio22>twb: yep
23:40<nadir>for a command-prompt
23:40<twb>nadir: that's intercepted by metacity, not gnome-panel, unforunately
23:40<retrospectacus>mercutio22: goto TTY2 and run DISPLAY=:0 metacity --replace &
23:40<twb>(Or is it vice-versa?)
23:40<mib_h0nqwc>twb: it isn't, but it would just take a few seconds
23:42<mercutio22>retrospectacus: worked! Thanks.
23:42<retrospectacus>oh I know!! ha
23:43<retrospectacus>done that like 100 times.. -_-
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23:47<gohan4748>hi
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23:48<mercutio22>retrospectacus: how did you know the display was :0 and not say :1?
23:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 471] by debhelper
23:49<retrospectacus>just lucky I guess ;)
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23:50<gohan4748>#fun
23:50<marnanel>there aren't that many people who seriously run X on anything but display 1
23:50<marnanel>er :0
23:50*marnanel goes back to sleep
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23:51<cato_odubhagain>does anyone know what "you need to identify via sasl" means
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23:51<gohan4748>hi guys
23:51<cato_odubhagain>hi
23:52<retrospectacus>I used to run steam on wine in :1 back in the day
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23:52<mercutio22>retrospectacus: why? So you could get the games to play full screen? How would you switch between X displays?
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23:55*marnanel often tests metacity on, say, :5, but that's a xephyr
23:55<retrospectacus>i'll tell you in -ot
23:56<retrospectacus>eh
23:57<retrospectacus>yeah for fullscreen, and steam wasn't very compatible with beryl. switch by Alt-F7 Alt-F8
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