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---Logopened Fri Feb 18 00:00:19 2011
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00:49<willemb>Hi. I am probably in completely the wrong place. I would appreciate being sent in the right direction, at least. If possible :-)
00:51<willemb>I am looking for a way to manage the storing and distribution of a couple of hundred apache ssl certs. some self-signed, some provided by thawte. They are for ssl websites hosted on different servers. Basically, I want to make it easier to move a site from one server to another, without having to worry about copying all the .crt and .key files around every time.
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00:52<willemb>it looks like newpki-server is supposed to do all the heavy lifting for me, but it looks a little dead.
00:53<Administrator>I am using debian etch at the moment, my apt-cache list gives me both linux-image-2.6* and linux-image-2.6.18
00:54<Administrator>so my question is that, why is there a linux-image-2.6*? And linux-image-2.6.18 is newer than linux-image-2.6, isn't it?
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00:55<willemb>Administrator: aptitude show linux-image-2.6
00:56<zzzzzz>it read
00:56<zzzzzz>it is not a real package
00:57<zzzzzz>provided by linux-image-2.6.18-6[i386|amd64|bigmem|etc
00:57<zzzzzz>so can I say it is some kind of 'metapackage'?
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00:57<willemb>zzzzzz: does that answer your question?
00:57<zzzzzz>kind of
00:57<willemb>zzzzzz: I think they call it a virtual package
00:59<zzzzzz>I see, so my understanding it's a convenient way for the user to get the latest kernel in the distro, in case they don't remember the detailed kernel version
00:59<willemb>a meta-package (I think) is more like gnome-desktop-environment, it does nothing except depend on everything you need to get gnome working
01:00<willemb>zzzzzz: or in case you have software that cannot bother to try and find out, but has to auto-upgrade
01:00<willemb>so you can run aptitude install linux-image-2.6, and it will upgrade to the latest 2.6 version
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01:00<zzzzzz>latest 2.6 version in each debian distro I supposed?
01:00<willemb>YAY. I got to help someone for a change, in stead of just being helped
01:01<zzzzzz>for example 2.6.18 in etch, and 2.6.26 in lenny?
01:05<sney>zzzzzz: short answer: 2.6.32 in squeeze (stable) and wheezy (testing)
01:05<jm_>etch also had 2.6.24 IIRC
01:05<sney>wheezy will have newer kernels as time progresses, they aren't there yet though
01:06<zzzzzz>jm_: in backport or???
01:06<sney>that sounds like something that could have been etchnhalf
01:06<sney>judd: kernels
01:06<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.37-1-686 (2.6.37-1); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2)
01:06<sney>hmm, doesn't go back far enough anymore
01:07<zzzzzz>damn damn can't find any for etch
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01:09<jm_>zzzzzz: etchnhalf
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02:16<Rhonda>I'm having getting the nvidia driver to work on squeeze. I installed the nvidia-kernel-dkms package but modprobe nvidia gives me an error: FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/updates/dkms/nvidia.ko): No such device
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02:17<cato_odubhagain>Is there anyone out there willing to teach some linux?
02:18<jm_>Rhonda: did you check kernel messages with dmesg?
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02:18<Rhonda>jm_: NVRM: No NVIDIA graphics adapter found!
02:19<Rhonda>Actually it though worked prior on lenny, after the upgrade to squeeze and the kernel related reboot I can't get it to work again anymore. :/
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02:19<jm_>Rhonda: perhaps an unsupported chip by this version; which version and which card?
02:19<cato_odubhagain>hey thanks
02:19<doubledutch>cato_odubhagain; What type of knowledge about Debian are you hoping to gain/to eventually do what?
02:19<Rhonda>jm_: VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
02:20<cato_odubhagain>er well i want to get into where i really know how to fix things and all that
02:20<cato_odubhagain>er i know that is vague
02:21<cato_odubhagain>basically to start at the bottom and work my way up so i know what is what
02:21<jm_>Rhonda: and driver version?
02:21<Rhonda>The one from squeeze directly.
02:21<jm_>that one doesn't support FX5200
02:21<Rhonda>Should I try to pull the nvidia-kernel-dkms package from experimental?
02:22<Rhonda>Hmm, I am not certain wether I did use on lenny the one from experimental anymore, to be honest. Was months agao. :)
02:22*Rhonda goes and tries that. Thanks so far, jm_!
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02:23<jm_>naah just use nvidia legacy driver in squeeze
02:23<Rhonda>What do you mean?
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02:24<Rhonda>No, pulling nvidia-kernel-dkms from experimental doesn't seem to have done any good to me. :/
02:24<gsimmons>Rhonda: The 173xx legacy version of the driver (supporting your device) is also packaged for Debian ; /msg dpkg nvidia dkms-173xx
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02:25<Rhonda>oh. nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms is what I need, silly me
02:26<Rhonda>Misread the dmesg message. _is_ supported, not isn't %-/
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02:27<Rhonda>Thanks for … helping me read. %)
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02:28<doubledutch>cato_odubhagain; well good luck. Debian's great! learning how to use the #debian DPKG bot is reallly useful!
02:28<dpkg>i heard dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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02:28*doubledutch corrects himself - !dpkg is incorrect.
02:28<dpkg>Please visit to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>.
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02:31<kitten090>hi to every one
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02:32<kitten090>i want to install debian 6.0 squeeze
02:32<kitten090>and i want it boot with my usb flash
02:32<kitten090>how to install grub boot
02:32<kitten090>to boot with my usb flash?
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02:46<Rhonda>jm_: Yep, that hint got me on tracks again. Thanks a lot!
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02:49<jm_>Rhonda: no worries
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03:27<Unlimited>Hi there!
03:27<Unlimited>I'm trying to install https on apache2 but not getting it to work
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03:32<Unlimited>Need a job done, payment will be made
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04:29<Romeo_BCN>Una pregunta como añadir el servidor irc-hispano
04:29<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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04:34<titcheo>bonjour tout le monde
04:35<titcheo>est il possible de forcer un boot sur un pc portable!? alors que dans le bios il n'y a pas l'option boot par Clé USB par exemple
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04:35<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
04:35<OdyX>titcheo: ^ Mais la réponse est sans doute "difficilement".
04:36<titcheo>je me doute... :s
04:37<titcheo>je veux installer squeezy sur un vieux portable mais j'ai pas la possibilité de faire une gravure iso sur CD!
04:38<titcheo>et j'ai vu qu'il etait maintenant deconseillé de faire une install par disquette!
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04:42<Stereo>titcheo: si ton bios ne le propose pas, c'est mal parti
04:42<Stereo>titcheo: peut-etre un boot par ethernet?
04:42<titcheo>oui cela est proposé par ethernet...
04:43<titcheo>mais je suppose que je dois creer une image qque part et la recup par ftp! non?
04:43<Stereo>sinon a Lille tu dois bien pouvoir trouver quelqu'un d'assez gentil pour te graver une debian
04:43<Stereo>pire, tftp
04:43<Stereo>et mettre un serveur dhcp, et le configurer
04:43<Stereo>c'est moins facile que booter sur un cd, quoi
04:45<OdyX>Hum hum.
04:45<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
04:45<titcheo>c sur! mais je vais surement faire cela! j'ai envie de le faire maintenant ! sinon j'ai un graveur chez moi... c juste que l'envie d'install la debian est pressante :D
04:46<Stereo>OdyX: even when it's calm like this?
04:47<OdyX>Stereo: yes
04:47<SynrG>take it to private message if you don't want to join the appropriate channel
04:47<OdyX>Stereo: we are 3 french-speaking here; where there are 77 in #debian-fr…
04:48<titcheo>sorry je vais sur le channel FR merci beaucoup
04:48<Stereo>ok :)
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04:49<Stereo>sorry if we bothered anyone, we didn't intend to.
04:50<Talon>didn't bother me none.. je parle un peu francais aussi :)
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04:58<SynrG>Stereo: even though it's quiet, when helpers come back to find incomprehensible conversations in their backlog, it adds extra workload to try to find real requests for help to respond to.
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05:03<Stereo>oh, that makes sense
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05:06<insmod>SynrG: you are a fag right?
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05:08<Stereo>insmod: I'd say #debian-offtopic is more appropriate if you want to flirt
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05:08<insmod>SynrG: cheers!
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05:27<webmind_org>Changed bind to default files on - very informative this channel. Thanks to all of you guys. I'm also singer/guitarplayer and dj , i found a fun song about my computer i like to share with all of you guys.
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05:55<Lantizia>Is there any more official/standards way of assigning comments against a directory (other than a README file)?
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06:12<rubim>Hello !!!
06:13<Psycho_Dad>Does anybody know what's the behavior using the following Pin on a specific package in /etc/apt/preferences? 'Pin: release n=squeeze, n=sid'
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06:13<Psycho_Dad>I'm trying to find out if the first match will be used or the latest.
06:14<rubim>Hello nadia !
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06:14<aletsh>buenos dias
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06:15<nadia>Hi there !
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06:16<aletsh>any one help me in spanish??
06:17<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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06:19<fredison>alguem sabe o nome de um canal de debian no brasil ?
06:20<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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06:21<disposable>i want to install a package (icinga) from unstable in my squeeze. i usually do it by 'apt-get install something/unstable' but this package needs to have dependencies installed from unstable as well. Is '-t unstable' what i need? I want as few packages from unstable as possible.
06:21<fredison>valeu chefe muito obrigadoo
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06:32<webmind_org>disposable: icigna needs the selected packages, they are probably newer versions than squeeze
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06:34<webmind_org>You can try to install the selected packages from squeeze and see what icigna does when you install from unstable
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06:46<disposable>webmind_org: i guess my question was - will '-t unstable' install everything from unstable?
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06:47<disposable>webmind_org: as opposed to - install what you can from squeeze and what you have to, from unstable.
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06:59<devil>disposable: yes
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07:00<webmind_org>disposable: option -t is only with aptitude not with apt-get
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07:07<webmind_org>devil: nope ? can't find option -t in apt-get --help
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07:07<devil>webmind_org: i been using it almost daily for many years
07:08<webmind_org>devil: you are right i should read the complete manual
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07:30<zem>anyone using wheezy yet? how (un)stable is it?
07:31<sahko>is there a command like autoclean but leaving behing only installed packages?
07:31<sahko>apt-get or aptitude autoclean*
07:31<Lethalman>zem, I'm using sid since ever, and it's always been stable, don't know testing
07:32<Lethalman>(apart a xorg black screen trouble eheh)
07:32<SynrG>i doubt if you could make a decision based on anecdotal accounts ... for each person it will be different depending on their particular issues which you may or may not have.
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07:33<SynrG>in general, the period after a release is somewhat chaotic because the floodgates are opened for pent-up changes.
07:33<Lethalman>SynrG, obvious, I just replied personally to what he asked
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07:34<SynrG>personally, i've been conservative about updates (even though all my systems are permanently on testing + unstable with pinning for a few things i need more recent copies of)
07:34<SynrG>and probably will continue to be conservative for a while yet.
07:34<Lethalman>I find testing a lot unstable for desktops (if yours is a desktop)
07:34<webmind_org>sahko: try apt-get autoremove
07:36<sahko>webmind_org: yeah thats close, but it doesnt do all the job for you. at least judging from the description
07:37<sahko>for example if i install gnome, and then want to remove it, will the only package left behing by an autoremove be the gnome metapackage?
07:37<Lethalman>any idea why apt-show-versions show /unknown for all packages while apt-cache policy shows installed version is unstable?
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07:37<Lethalman>mh maybe I have to do apt-show-versions -i, let's see
07:37<Lethalman>no, any ideas?
07:38<webmind_org>sahko: first apt-get remove --purge gnome and the apt-get autoremove --purge
07:38<webmind_org>the = then
07:40<webmind_org>sahko: --purge is also delete configuration files
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07:42<sahko>webmind_org: oh sorry, and i was wondering why i didnt mention autoremove since i knew it, i dont mean about installed packages, but the downloaded ones. the local cache in /var/cache/apt/archives/ , clean and autoclean deal with those
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07:47<webmind_org><sahko> No
07:47<devil>webmind_org: apt-get remove --purge gnome <== remove is obsolete there
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07:48<webmind_org>devil: it should be ?
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07:48<devil>webmind_org: it does no harm, but is not needed. purge is enough
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07:49<devil>apt-get purge foo
07:49<webmind_org>devil: ok
07:49<webmind_org>devil: you teach me a lot.
07:49<webmind_org>i like that.
07:51<adb>!remove gnome
07:51<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
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07:54<dpkg>In Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use 'aptitude purge [package]' or 'dpkg -P [package]' (note: you can't apt-get purge a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: aptitude purge '~c'. To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>.
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07:55<dpkg>clean is probably a programming language and is at, or aptitude purge ~poptional ~pextra
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07:56<webmind_org>!why aptitude
07:56<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful.
07:56<SynrG>probably best to do such exploratory poking at the bot in msg
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07:56<SynrG>(if it doesn't add anything to current discussions in channel)
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08:08<tobi>Hey@all. We have upgraded Debian 4 to Lenny and after upgrading we cant executed "aptitude update" because we always have the error: "Failed to exec method /usr/lib/apt/methods/E: Method has died unexpectedly!" anyone has an idea?
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08:11<tobi>ok just an error in apt sources ^^
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08:25<cmot>Anyobdy knows this: when, exactly, are ip header checksums (re-)generated ?
08:25<cmot>I'm seeing wrong header checksums on a firewall.
08:26<cmot>So far, I've assumed that ip header checksums are generated when the package is sent, and not touched until the receiver
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08:28<oner>is eny body here
08:28<cmot>oner: no, nobody.
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08:28<cmot>only 487 people who are annoyed at you
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08:28<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
08:28<oner>is eny body here from iran ?
08:29<oner>is eny body here from iran ?
08:29<oner>is eny body here from iran ?
08:29<oner>is eny body here from iran ?
08:29<oner>is eny body here from iran ?
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08:29<cmot>oner: you realize that this is a channel for technical discussions about Debian and not just for trolling
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08:30<gohan4748>hey guys
08:31<gohan4748>hey guys
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08:32<OdyX>cmot: afaik that's a selling point of IPv6. IP-packets checksums are recalculated at each node in ipv4; not anymore in ipv6
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08:33<cmot>OdyX: Ah. so the wrong checksums are just offloading.
08:34<OdyX>cmot: that's because (Wikipedia says) the "Time to live" is within the checksum-protected bits
08:34<gohan4748>can u guys help me
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08:35<cmot>OdyX: which is obviously stupid. ok. learned something agian
08:36<OdyX>cmot: it's stupid for a loooong time now. :-)
08:36<OdyX>!tell gohan4748 about ask
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08:37<fmanach>Hi everybody!
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08:41<fmanach>I'm seeing this on my logfiles : kernel: [ 9031.139694] ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2417MHz) . There are a bunch of these. Does anyone know what it means ? I'm running Squeeze on an eeepc 701, fresh, minimal install.
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08:42<jjp_>fmanach: I suspect this may be the floor used for signal strength evaluation in atheros wireless chipset driver
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08:43<fmanach>jjp_: can you explain this ? Could it mean that the strength of the signal of the AP I'm connected to went down a "criticaly down" treshold ?
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08:45<thawkins>hey, I'm having some trouble w/ grub, skimming google found nothing
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08:46<jjp_>fmanach: I glance at kernel source and tell u if I can figure out
08:47<fmanach>jjp_: oh nice... thx for this.
08:48<fmanach>it is interesting to notice that dhclient just renewed my IP and since that, the message stopped popping in the logs...
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08:52<gohan4748>can u guys help me
08:52<jjp_>fmanach: /linux/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath5k/phy.c:
08:52<jjp_> * If we are in a noisy environment, AGC calibration may time
08:52<jjp_> * out and/or noise floor calibration might timeout.
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08:53<jjp_>fmanach: most probably, you're in a buzzzing city center
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08:54<fmanach>I'm in my compagny's open space ... but there is a lot of things here (iPhones, bluetooth, wifi corp and privates)... so it might be this...
08:55<fmanach>Thx for the help !
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09:01<rooto>hi all
09:02<fmanach>rooto: Hi!
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09:02<Zax>Hi all, I'm trying to bind multiple ipv6 addresses to an eth interface using /etc/network/interfaces. The first address binds fine, but others are ignored.
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09:03<Zax>There's quite a bit of material to Google on this but it seems to suggest that my config is correct.
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09:18<kenyon>Zax: do you get any errors when you run ifup --verbose? also I think you should have similar down commands for removing the addrs and routes. can you run the commands manually and set up the interface?
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09:31<Zax>kenyon: Sorry, asked my quesiton and the doorbell rang. Always the way! The commands work fine if I just drop the "up" and run them manually.
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09:33<Zax>Unfortunatly I only have remote access to the box so downing and upping the interface is tricky.
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09:42<johnfg>hi guys
09:43<johnfg>just did a fresh install of squeeze.
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09:43<johnfg>flashplugin-nonfree is working fine for iceweasel, but not for epiphany.
09:43<johnfg>Something else I need to do?
09:45<johnfg>In fact, I just clicked where the flash should have been, on a foxsports page, and it crashed epiphany. Not good.
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09:45<johnfg>Any ideas?
09:46<Gurka_>coffee sounds like a great idea
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09:47<lelamal> /msg dpkg difference between ext3 and ext4
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09:47<agentc>can anyone advice me in case of satelite systems ?
09:47<SynrG>johnfg: does it crash reliably for all flash, or just that one?
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09:48<SynrG>johnfg: see #606206
09:49<agentc>i need to setup a sat-sys for tv-receive. is there a util to show receiving ?
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09:53<agentc>where can i get help in case of sat receiving ?
09:53<SynrG>johnfg: it might be worth making the effort to supplement that bug# with the info that the same URL does not crash in iceweasel but does crash in epiphany, as that detail is not currently included.
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09:55<johnfg>SynrG, Sorry, out feedin' hosses...what's the url for that bug number?
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10:00<johnfg>SynrG, Hey! Did you jump on here when I was outside? I brought epiphany backup, had the message about having crashed, and now all is looking good! Weird, eh?
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10:12<SynrG>johnfg: all bugs can be found at just by suffixing the bug# (minus the # sign)
10:13<SynrG>johnfg: if the problem is intermittent, it may actually crash both epiphany and iceweasel, but you were just unlucky with epiphany :p
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10:27<child>Can someone do me a favor to check if a virtual machine on my internal network can be accessed by you guys? anyone who can help talk to me in the booth for me to pass the address...
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10:28<petemc>i dont like the sound of going into a booth with a child
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10:30<child>petemc: I will not be there kkkkkk
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10:45<johnfg>SynrG, Have you noticed that the extension in epiphany for certificates doesn't do anything? Nothing opens up.
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10:46<SynrG>i haven't noticed anything in epiphany, as i don't use it
10:46<johnfg>SynrG, I.e., neither Manage Certificates nor Manage Security Devices does anything.
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10:47<johnfg>SynrG, ok, sorry for the overlap. Do you use iceweasel?
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10:48<kellerspeicher>I want to save this xrandr options persistent "xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1920x1080 --left-of LVDS1" and "xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1024x576" How to change the xorg.config file?
10:48<SynrG>johnfg: have you installed the ca-certificates package?
10:49<kellerspeicher>my xorg.conf file =>
10:49<SynrG>johnfg: sounds like you may have installed epiphany without recommends.
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10:54<conair>away Nicht da
10:54<johnfg>SynrG, Didn't do a separate install. It just installed through the graphic install of squeeze.
10:55<johnfg>btw...if i would have done the text install, would that have let me select packages more specifically instead of having to do it later?
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10:56<SynrG>johnfg: did you actually check to see if ca-certificates is installed?
10:57<SynrG>johnfg: if you didn't explicitly disable recommends then it should be, and in that case my guess is simply wrong
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10:58<SynrG>johnfg: you're thinking of expert install. i don't think text vs. gui makes any difference there as it is just a different UI, but the same installer underneath
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11:01<SynrG>kellerspeicher: since layout is a user preference, it's not something i would put in xorg.conf. i'd just execute the command in my .xinitrc
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11:01<antonio>ragazzi ho un problema con la mia distribuzione ubuntu non riesco a far eseguire gli mp4 ed e sentire l'audio mentre su youtube sento l'audio perch^
11:01<cahoot>antonio: try #ubuntu
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11:02<fosser_josh>hello hackers, i setup website in LAN on maching having static ip Now i wanted to access that website in another client machine having ip how can i do it?
11:02<johnfg>SynrG, so does the expert install allow specifics, vs., e.g., Web Server?
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11:02<kellerspeicher>SynrG, ok thats a nice idea too
11:03<kellerspeicher>i give it a try
11:03<johnfg>Although I love debian, I do like that some of the other distros allow you to get a lot more specifics at install.
11:03<jmm_>fosser_josh: add to /etc/hosts on,
11:03<jmm_>then just type the url in your browser.
11:05<fosser_josh>jmm_: thanks i forgot that part only. before i made changes in resolve.conf
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11:07<conair>names [debian]
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11:08<conair>nick Martin P.
11:08<SynrG>johnfg: huh. we get criticized for being "too hard" to install, and then we fix it by streamlining the process and get criticized for reducing choices. can't win for losing. :p
11:08<SynrG>johnfg: in fact, 'expert' mode does allow you to choose specific packages
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11:09<sney>the regular old normal person install I did yesterday still ran tasksel
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11:09<cahoot>is there such ting as: regular old normal person
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11:10<sney>no, but you know what I mean. the one that is just called Install
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11:11<thewanderer>I'm running a Xephyr in a window and am connected via XDMCP to here. now, why don't local characters nor arrow keys work?
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11:11<acu>is there a public domain chat room - I am still confused about public domain - if I make a software and I put in public domain - I understand that anyone can take it modify and put THAT version as COPYRIGHTED - but MY VERSION is STILL PUBLIC DOMAIn - is anyone aware about that ?
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11:12<thewanderer>acu: yeah your version is still public domain
11:12<SynrG>sney: i assume johnfg's objection is that tasksel doesn't give fine-grained enough choices
11:13<sney>well, it never really did, not in my memory. not since at least etch
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11:13<sney>laptop - desktop - web server - ssh server - etc
11:14<SynrG>sney: once upon a time we were criticized for making the user make too many choices. tasksel was the answer to that.
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11:14<acu>thewanderer: so why everyone is so freakish and think that GPL is the only way - in fact it may be that GPL restricts free use
11:14<SynrG>but we never made the choices go away. we just took them out of their direct line of sight
11:14<sney>ahh. oh yes my cobwebby memory is telling me a story about installing Potato
11:14<SynrG>sney: well, tasksel was *part* of the answer
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11:14<SynrG>another part of the answer was to reduce the amount of prompting per package install
11:15<thewanderer>acu: some people dislike GPL - for example the author of Minecraft (quite popular a game nowadays) - you can read about license differences on the net
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11:16<sney>there is probably a gpl channel somewhere
11:16<sney>probably on freenode
11:16<thewanderer>yeah, #gnu on freenode
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11:16<thewanderer> is also a good place to start
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11:17<acu>thewanderer and all - thank - yes been to and question myself - that is why I came here -
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11:19<thewanderer>acu: in short, GPL ensures that the derivatives stays free and that's its point
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11:21<acu>thewanderer: that is my problem - let's say if I release something in PUBLIC DOMAIN and someone gets it modify it and makes it GPL what that means ?
11:21<johnfg>SynrG & sney Believe me, not being critical. Just stating my view.
11:21<ramnet>acu: if you don't like the restrictions on GPL look at the MIT or BSD or X11 licenses
11:22<SynrG>johnfg: ah, well, i think you may have just overlooked the very flexibility that you are seeking
11:22<ramnet>you'll also want to check public domain as not all countries reconize such a thing as public domain.
11:22<thewanderer>acu: it means that his version is then released under the terms of GPL
11:22<SynrG>johnfg: sounds like if you wanted that you should have selected expert
11:22<johnfg>I'm sure for many, the streamlined choices work just fine, as they did for me. Then you can polish through apt-get or synaptic or whatever.
11:22<thewanderer>yes, getting a program into public domain is tricky
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11:23<Arrowmaster>acu: do you know if you can even put work into the public domain in your country?
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11:23<thewanderer>(you can delegate the copyright to a friend abroad and make him release it...)
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11:24<Arrowmaster>from my understanding there are very few countrys that you can explicitly release work into the public domain
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11:25<johnfg>SynrG, Will keep that expert install in mind for my next install of squeeze.
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11:26<SynrG>johnfg: i'll have to test this myself some time. it has been a long time since i've done an expert install so i don't clearly remember all of the options. :)
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11:27<Arrowmaster>expert install lets you choose which tasks but nothing more specific than that
11:28<SynrG>ah, hmm
11:29<SynrG>then my memory of this must predate tasksel days
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11:29<SynrG>johnfg: in that case, just do a regular install and *deselect* all tasks. afterwards, you can add specific packages to the base install
11:29<SynrG>still just as flexible
11:30<Arrowmaster>i recently had to do a fedora install and the installer lets you pick some very specific packages in the more advanced mode, is that what you are wanting?
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11:30<johnfg>SynrG, OK, good. Arrowmaster, yeah, would like, but I'm not complaining.
11:31<SynrG>ok. that is possible too ... via preseeding
11:31<Arrowmaster>(that fedora install sucked though, no matter what i did i couldnt get the damn thing to NOT install X client stuff like gtk libs)
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11:31<SynrG>you can specify through boot options preseeding variables to select additional packages
11:31<mihkel>Hi. df -h shows: /dev/sda1 12G 9,4G 1,1G 90% /
11:31<mihkel>but I can't find any dirs/files that take the space
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11:32<Arrowmaster>mihkel: try du
11:32<mihkel>du -skh * | sort -n reveals
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11:32<SynrG>johnfg, Arrowmaster: there's an interesting alternative which i've put a lot of my time into helping develop, and that's the new live-installer
11:32<Arrowmaster>i saw a cat from that link
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11:32<mihkel>damn now pastebin is down :(
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11:33<ramnet>refresh it it'll come up
11:33<SynrG>if you want a live system + installer, you can build one as per and select whatever packages you want ... configured how you want ...
11:33<Arrowmaster>SynrG: ive heard a few bad things about the live installer though
11:33<johnfg>SynrG, So, that's from a much smaller iso, right?
11:33<SynrG>the contents of the live system are installed
11:33<SynrG>Arrowmaster: do tell. we want to make it better.
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11:34<SynrG>Arrowmaster: i know of at least a couple of issues that will be fixed in 6.0.1
11:34<Arrowmaster>SynrG: for example somebody installed using the live installer and couldnt get the system to reboot with shutdown -r and he wasnt a noob, turned out it unexpectedly installed kexec
11:34<SynrG>some of them relate to the desktop launcher ... but the live-installer is separate from that. you can boot the "Install" option and it installs the contents of the live image.
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11:35<Arrowmaster>ah, that person used the desktop launcher
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11:35<SynrG>you can build a live image without it if you don't think it's ready yet (but it should have this niggling issues cleared up for 6.0.1 i hope)
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11:35<mihkel>Arrowmaster, <- du output
11:36<opto-yan>Hi everyone, I need help about debian maintainer scripts (postinst) for a package I'm creating. In my package in the "postinst" script I would like to trigger the reconfiguration of another package, how could this be done within a postinst script? ( I suppose that using dpkg-reconfigure within a postinst script wouldn't work since we are already within a dpkg context)
11:36<johnfg>SynrG, btw...just got around to checking, and ca-certificates 'is' installed.
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11:36<SynrG>johnfg: so, i dunno then. look at bugs against epiphany and if there isn't one, file one
11:37<mihkel>nothig that takes 11G
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11:38<SynrG>opto-yan: see #debian-mentors
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11:39<opto-yan>SynrG : ok thanks! I wasn't sure if I was on the right channel...
11:39<Arrowmaster>damnit i hate not being on my debian system, i cant find a proper man page anywhere online
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11:40<Arrowmaster>i knew there was something on just couldnt remember where
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11:42<Arrowmaster>mihkel: try du -shx / | sort -h
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11:43<johnfg>SynrG, Yup, it's already been reported, but I can't tell if any works being done on it.
11:43<Arrowmaster>or is it du -hx --max-depth=1 / | sort -h
11:43<mihkel>Arrowmaster, 4,4G /
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11:43<johnfg>Anyone know, for epiphany in lenny, where does it store it's bookmarks?
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11:43<mihkel>^ du -hx --max-depth=1 / | sort -h
11:44<ramnet>johnfg: ~/.gnome2/epiphany/
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11:45<Arrowmaster>hmm that is strange that df is saying 9 gigs used but du is saying 4.5 gigs used
11:45<Lantizia>Say I have a file named... FAT*: "It's \so\ |shit!|" <* or ntfs?> ...which includes "*:<>?\| not allowed in dos/win filesystems... is there a tool/utility that can copy this file to a dos filesystem and automatically deal with the bad characters?
11:45<mihkel>Early this day I had ca 5G messages file in /var/log
11:45<johnfg>ramnet, thks!
11:45<mihkel>I just rm it
11:45<SynrG>Arrowmaster: du can only see what you have permission to see
11:45<Arrowmaster>mihkel: ah ha
11:45<SynrG>Arrowmaster: if you du'd as an ordinary user ...
11:45<Arrowmaster>that file is probably still being used
11:45<mihkel>how can I verify
11:46<SynrG>or that, yeah
11:46<Arrowmaster>dont ask me how exactly
11:46<mihkel>lsof|grep messages
11:47<mihkel>rsyslogd 1014 root 2w REG 8,1 1230514 179666 /var/log/messages
11:47<Arrowmaster>was that the file?
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11:48<mihkel>so how do I fix it?
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11:48<ramnet>mihkel: if you want to remove that, just do /etc/init.d/rsyslog stop, rm the file, and start syslog again
11:49<Arrowmaster>telling rsyslogd to reload should work
11:49<Arrowmaster>i think
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11:49<Arrowmaster>if nothing else restarting the entire system as a last resort should work
11:49<jhutchins_lt>The smart way to deal with this is to run logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.conf
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11:49<Arrowmaster>but thats overkill
11:49<Arrowmaster>restarting that is
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11:55<ganeshp>hi all, I have installed debian squeeze i386 on my dell inspiron laptop as dualboot with windows xp. But after installation I dont find the windows xp option in grub menu. Need help to fix this. thanks in advance
11:55<thewanderer>I'm now looking at - it implies that OpenVPN sets up L3 connectivity. How should I integrate this with ifupdown so that OpenVPN (or another solution!) gives me just an L2 device that I can configure myself?
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11:55<jhutchins_lt>ganeshp: Try running update-grub
11:56<ganeshp>ok thanks.
11:56<jhutchins_lt>ganeshp: This is a known glitch with the installer.
11:56<jhutchins_lt>ganeshp: You should see it detect windows.
11:56<thewanderer>O.o my installer saw Vista just fine
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11:56<ganeshp>jhutchins_lt:alright. Let me try the solution given by you. Thanks for the quick response.
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12:02<ganeshp>jhutchins_lt: Sorry to ask this dumb question. I tried executing update-grub command in root terminal. But it says command not found. Neither I find this in synaptic. Am I doing this wrong?
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12:06<SynrG>ganeshp: update-grub is not the name of a package, so you wouldn't find it in synaptic. so unless your root shell is somehow lacking /usr/sbin in its PATH, i don't know why you would be missing it (unless perhaps you typoed the command name?)
12:07<SynrG>echo $PATH
12:07<ramnet>thewanderer: you would need to configure openvpn to use tap instead of tun for layer 2 networking
12:07<SynrG>dpkg -l grub-pc
12:07<dpkg>No packages found matching grub-pc
12:08<thewanderer>ramnet: ok, I'll look into that. thanks
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12:08<jhutchins>,versions grub-pc
12:08<judd>Package grub-pc on i386 -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-14; wheezy: 1.98+20100804-14; sid: 1.99~rc1-3
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12:09<jhutchins>ganeshp: Sorry, I was away for a bit.
12:09<kresp0>im trying to use "ssh -D" to make a SOCKS proxy, but i cant make it work
12:09<kresp0>the server allow me to log in after "ssh -D 7070 user@server"
12:09<kresp0>but when i configure firefox to use localhost:7070 as a SOCKS proxy, it just dont work
12:09<jhutchins>ganeshp: You do need to run it as root.
12:09<kresp0>dont gave me any error, just empy pages
12:09<ganeshp>SynrG: Finally I got it. I was running that command in root terminal loaded form Applications->Accessories Menu. Instead I tried loading normal terminal and then did su. and update-grub. Worked like a charm. Thanks a ton.
12:10<kresp0>cromium gaves me this: "Error 324 (net::ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE): Error desconocido."
12:10<kresp0>i've tested with 2 diferent servers and 2 different browsers
12:10<kresp0>if i do telnet localhost 7070
12:10<kresp0>it connects
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12:10<kresp0>but after GET / HTTP/1.1
12:10<kresp0>it drops the conneciont
12:10<SynrG>ganeshp: so Applications->Accessories has an entry for a root terminal that doesn't have /usr/sbin in its PATH? how strange!
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12:10<ramnet>kresp0: are AllowTCPForwarding yes PermitTunnel yes set in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server?
12:10<kresp0>ramnet, good question!!
12:11<kresp0>one sec..
12:11<jhutchins>kresp0: Look at the error log.
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12:12<kresp0>ramnet, those options arent on the config file on the server
12:12<kresp0>adding it...
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12:12<kresp0>jhutchins, what log?
12:13<jhutchins>grep ssh /var/log/* -r
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12:23<kresp0>ramnet, just added those 2 options and restarted sshd
12:24<kresp0>but same problem
12:24<kresp0>0@b:~$ telnet localhost 7777
12:24<kresp0>Trying ::1...
12:24<kresp0>Connected to localhost.localdomain.
12:24<kresp0>Escape character is '^]'.
12:24<kresp0>GET / HTTP/1.1
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12:26<kresp0>sorry about the previous multi-line paste
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12:28<kresp0>jhutchins: too much logs :P
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12:40<agentc>have any1 experience with sat-tv-systems ?
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12:49<thewanderer>I can't connect to any remote system via SSH in virt-manager
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12:50<thewanderer>throws some host key verification error
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12:51<thewanderer>along with a huge printout of the Python stack
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12:54<thewanderer>it works perfectly in virsh, though
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12:55<Arrowmaster>i think i heard somebody about needing a suggested package
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12:55<thewanderer>yes, it was me yesterday... but it's both on the client and the server, in current versions
12:55<thewanderer>still fails
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12:56<thewanderer>although it *does* suggest installing ssh-askpass in the error message - it's already installed...
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12:57<thewanderer>so it's necessary to specify a username in the connection field
12:57<thewanderer>it was supposed to work without it, but apparently does not in Debian
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12:58<thewanderer>now, how would I efficiently copy a local block device to a remote file via SSH?
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13:01<SynrG>thewanderer: i don't know about 'efficiently' but this is the sort of thing some eee users have suggested to make a backup of the whole drive (back when they were only 4G :)
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13:02<thewanderer>aww, dd over ssh...
13:02<babilen>nc ftw ;)
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13:10<SynrG>thewanderer: nbd-over-ssh? :)
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13:11<thewanderer>oh come on, it's not even close to April
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13:11<thewanderer>I think I'll convert that with kvm-img to be compressed in the end
13:11<thewanderer>will save me bandwidth
13:12<retrospectacus>thewanderer, nc and gzip will do that
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13:12<SynrG>i googled it. wanna see a latency graph? :)
13:13<SynrG>sorry, typoed a ' in there
13:13<SynrG>seek latency
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13:14<SynrG>now, running that over a 152ms ping link is probably not a great idea in the first place ...
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13:15<SynrG>i was just stunned to find someone actually bothered to set it up, measure it and post the results :) (so, not entirely an April Fool's joke)
13:16<thewanderer>how would I set up a bridge without an IP address via ifupdown?
13:17<thewanderer>gotta give it some address/netmask data if I set it as inet
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13:17<SynrG>huh? bridging is a level down
13:18<thewanderer>yes, but I can make bridges in /etc/network/interfaces
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13:18<thewanderer>got a few setup... it's just that I have to give them some IPv4 addresses
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13:19<SynrG>ah, well, the only place i use bridges is on openwrt, so, no /etc/network/interfaces ... dunno :p
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13:20<thewanderer>uh, ok, will give it some random address
13:21<thewanderer>it's just that I figured out giving it would kill remote connectivity and cut me off from the server before the weekend... again
13:21<SynrG>i don't see from the doc how you can avoid it.
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13:22<evanbd>So I just did a fresh install of squeeze. Sound is broken in some programs (xine, totem) but not others (audacious, vlc). What's the right way to file a bug report? Multiple reports against individual packages, or one report against a psuedo-package? Something else?
13:22<riordian>I have a box running squeeze doing dhcp on multiple interfaces. How can I pass the dhcpclient a different configuration/handler for each interface?
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13:24<amphi>evanbd: I doubt these are bugs - perhaps you must configure xine and totem to use alsa
13:24<evanbd>amphi: "Sound doesn't work out of the box" is a feature?
13:25<amphi>yes, an invigorating opportunity to get to know your software ;)
13:25<evanbd>amphi: Heh.
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13:25<amphi>evanbd: or is everything using oss emu, and thus blocking any second prog that wants to make noises?
13:26<evanbd>With nothing else running that uses sound (afaik...) Audacious works, xine doesn't.
13:27<babilen>evanbd: xine never works?
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13:27<evanbd>babilen: Well, I haven't fussed with config yet. But xine is silent with nothing else running.
13:28<SynrG>thewanderer: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/bridge see instructions for "anonymous bridge"
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13:28<SynrG>the key is 'manual'
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13:29<babilen>evanbd: Do you have pulseaudio installed? Have you checked the volume levels of the respective applications? Could it just be that xine is muted/very silent? Do you actually get any errors if you start xine from the command line?
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13:30<thewanderer>SynrG: thanks
13:31<thewanderer>yes, I was using manual but it wasn't bringing the iface up
13:32<evanbd>babilen: Nope, not muted. Pulse is not installed. Should it be? (If so, why isn't it?!?) When run from the command line, xine complains about missing jackd
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13:33<Arrowmaster>wonder why xine is looking for jackd
13:33<evanbd>It does that with audio driver set to "auto" (the default) and also when set to "alsa"
13:33<amphi>evanbd: and it doesn't fall back to alsa? I have mplayer configured to use jack, and it still falls back to alsa if jackd is not running
13:34<Arrowmaster>evanbd: try lsof /dev/snd/*
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13:34<evanbd>amphi: Apparently not. Also, totem gives similar errors about jackd
13:35<evanbd>Arrowmaster: Nothing.
13:35<amphi>evanbd: are you running gnome?
13:35<evanbd>amphi: Yes.
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13:36<amphi>evanbd: so perhaps you have some global gnome sound setting set to 'use jack' ?
13:36<babilen>evanbd: No, you don't necessarily need PA, but it allows volume control on a per-application granularity if you use something like in /etc/asound.conf
13:37<evanbd>amphi: I haven't changed any such settings.
13:37<babilen>evanbd: But you might want to investigate the jackd problem, rather than installing PA (or do that later)
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13:37<amphi>evanbd: I don't use gnome, but that is something I would check first
13:37<amphi>evanbd: jack is a very unlikely default
13:37<evanbd>babilen: OK. I think I'll get things working and get bug reports filed before I worry about that :)
13:38<sahko>is there any way to see which packages a source package provides?
13:38<SynrG>apt-cache showsrc
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13:39<SynrG>for fun, apt-cache showsrc linux-2.6 :)
13:39<sahko>oh i dont have -src in sources.list
13:39<evanbd>System -> Preferences -> Sound has very few options. I can select a device. It only has one option ("USB Audio DAC (Alsa mixer)"). Nothing weird anywhere, no references to jack at all.
13:39<SynrG>ah, yeah
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13:40<SynrG>it does require that :)
13:40<babilen>SynrG: Hehe, that was my first thought as well :)
13:40<sahko>i was wondering when that would prove useful:)
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13:41<SynrG>not nearly as fun as cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp, but oh well :)
13:41<SynrG>we take what little amusements we can find
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13:42<SynrG>(yes, i know, i just severely dated myself)
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13:43<babilen>evanbd: Ok, I guess the reason is that you are using a USB soundcard. Could you paste "cat /proc/asound/cards" to please?
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13:43<babilen>evanbd: Or a reason might be :)
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13:46<babilen>evanbd: No, that should be fine :)
13:47<babilen>Or, that looks fine.
13:47<evanbd>That's good to hear :)
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13:47<babilen>evanbd: Could you run;a=blob_plain;f=utils/ and paste the results?
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13:49<babilen>That might give us a clue. It might also just be a xine specific issue.
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13:50<babilen>ah, but you said that vlc has issues as well. Is vlc complaining about jackd too? Could you actually paste those error messages?
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13:50<evanbd>OK, that's really weird... it serves up a plain text file to firefox but some xhtml to wget
13:51<babilen>I have to confess that I have not many ideas and have to fix something for dinner soon. (Somebody will be pissed if I don't) But something might just meet the eye :)
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13:51<amphi>evanbd: w3m -dump ;)
13:51<GPenguin>hi guys
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13:52<evanbd>amphi: Or just save page as...
13:52<GPenguin>congrats for a smooth release of squeeze
13:52<babilen>amphi: w3m dump is fantastic! I can't imagine using mutt without my "text/html; w3m -I %{charset} -T text/html -dump; copiousoutput" .mailcap :)
13:52<evanbd>babilen: vlc works. Totem ("Movie Player", the default player) has errors about jackd as well.
13:53<amphi>babilen: yes, it is great for html mail in mutt ;)
13:55<sahko>i wish debian shipped a command line desktop iso :P
13:55<sahko>grml comes close though
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13:55<GPenguin>sahko: it does that when you take the expert install
13:55<sahko>GPenguin: how do you mean?
13:56<GPenguin>sahko: you choose the very basic install and select each pachage individually
13:56<GPenguin>package even
13:56<sahko>on my first installation i chose common system or whats it called and installed exim,mutt etc
13:56<sahko>ah nice to hear that. ill try it at some point
13:56<GPenguin>not common system, nothing with tasksel at all
13:57<GPenguin>just after the base install you jump the the boot loader install and exit
13:57<GPenguin>then go from there with apt-get or aptitude
13:58<GPenguin>leaves youwith a system of ~250-300MB
13:58<sahko>yeah i did that, i would still like to avoid grub if i can and install extlinux directly
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13:58<GPenguin>and sorry for my typing errors, i need some coffee :P
13:58<sahko>in due time, i guess i will
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14:02<evanbd>So... if no one has any ideas about how to fix my sound problems, can someone at least offer advice on how to file the bug report? :)
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14:02<babilen>evanbd: One thing that strikes me as strange is that there are no codecs listed. Does "cat /proc/asound/card0/codec*" give you any output? Apart from that I don't see anything suspicious. I would actually try to install a soundserver.
14:02<babilen>!tell evanbd -about pulseaudio
14:03<evanbd>babilen: no such file
14:03<evanbd>no /proc/asound/card0, specifically
14:04<doubledutch>What's the dpkgbot factoid for Kernel 2.6.37 called? !2.6.37+Wheezy or something, does that exist?
14:04<evanbd>There's a card1/, but no card1/codec*
14:05<SynrG>aha. so it's odd it's card1 and not card0. maybe alsa forces it to be so because it's USB?
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14:05<SynrG>and maybe some apps make the stupid assumption to only talk to card0
14:05<SynrG>other apps don't
14:05<babilen>evanbd: yeah, that is most likely the reason
14:05<SynrG>other apps gracefully fallback to the first available device
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14:06<thewanderer>edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base* or whatever it was called and see the USB notes
14:06<thewanderer>by default it refuses to load USB audio as card0
14:06<thewanderer>(I think)
14:06<SynrG>yeah. otherwise when people plug in their headsets they have a tendency to "take over" sound if they're plugged in when the system is booted
14:06<babilen>evanbd: Basically "aptitude install pulseaudio" + in /etc/asound.conf (run "alsa force-reload" afterwards) -- Another idea (and I would try that first) is to edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf and comment the line that says options snd-usb-audio index=-2 ...
14:06<SynrG>and that's not usually what people want
14:07<agentc>usb graphics? did you smoke?
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14:08<babilen>evanbd: Or you could edit that line to say "index=0" in the end .... I would, however, recommend to create a different file, for example, /etc/modprobe.d/my_usb_sound.conf with the content "options snd-usb-audio index=0"
14:08<thewanderer>babilen: wouldn't the two then conflict?
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14:09<babilen>thewanderer: not if you comment the one in alsa-base.conf
14:09<babilen>or just edit it
14:09<babilen>two approaches ;)
14:09<SynrG>hm. then why make a second file?
14:09<SynrG>is it sequence-sensitive?
14:09<SynrG>if so, then just prefix zz or something
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14:10<babilen>SynrG: No, I just like to make personal changes very explicit and the .d directories make it easy to do so. I guess I complicate things a little here though :)
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14:11<SynrG>babilen: i like to avoid editing distributed .conf files and put all changes in override files in .d directories
14:11<SynrG>it seems to nullify that goal to *also* comment out a line in alsa-base.conf
14:11<babilen>SynrG, thewanderer: Could you take over and distill my incoherent and overcomplicate ramblings into something evanbd can follow. Don't forget to reload the module and "alsa force-reload" afterwards? (I have to cook now)
14:11<SynrG>forcing you to review it every time it is upgraded
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14:12<SynrG>babilen: ah. bon appetit
14:12<babilen>SynrG: Yes, that was exactly the reason for the my_sound.conf :)
14:12<SynrG>so my still unanswered question is ...
14:12<SynrG>is the inclusion of /etc/modprobe.d/ files sequence-sensitive?
14:13<SynrG>i.e. do later files (zz prefix) supercede earlier ones?
14:13<evanbd>wait, which module do I need to reload?
14:13<babilen>SynrG: good question and my gut say maybe (although the 20-*.conf files indicate that it is indeed sequence sensitive)
14:13<babilen>evanbd: give us a second :)
14:14<babilen>Anyway, I'll be back later. Good luck - I have some salmon waiting for me
14:15<SynrG>evanbd: *if* the order is sequence-sensitive, and what little evidence we have says it is (unfortunately the man page is mute on the subject) ...
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14:16<evanbd>I just went with editing the existing file...
14:16<SynrG>then if you create a /etc/modprobe.d/zz-local.conf (or zz-local-sound.conf if you like) ...
14:16<SynrG>then you save yourself the maintenance headache of having to check the alsa-base.conf on every upgrade
14:16<SynrG>when dpkg detects differences
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14:17<evanbd>so it's now properly on card0
14:18<SynrG>and the applications behave?
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14:18<evanbd>Halfway fixed... now totem works, xine does not
14:18<evanbd>xine still gives errors about jack, regardless of whether it's set to "auto" "alsa" or "pulseaudio"
14:18<SynrG>do you have any .xine/ stuff?
14:19<SynrG>maybe try it without ...
14:19<evanbd>yeah, let me try killing that
14:19<evanbd>Yep, that did it :)
14:19<evanbd>So... next question: what do I file the bug against?
14:21<SynrG>hm, against the respective apps? something like "When no card0 is present, default to using first available device" and cite "when USB device is my only sound device" as a use case for that.
14:21<SynrG>i think making the device card1 is correct
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14:22<evanbd>OK, that makes sense.
14:22<SynrG>on the other hand ... forcing it to card0 is another way to solve it, and therefore you might argue that whatever makes it card1 should be smarter (make it card1 only if there is no card0, but that presupposes you know how to do that)
14:23<SynrG>er, s/you/the thing that makes it card1/ :)
14:23<SynrG>udev scripts?
14:23<SynrG>someone cited the file earlier. now i forget
14:23<SynrG>in any case, the two approaches are not mutually exclusive.
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14:24<SynrG>there is the possibility that there are two sound devices and one is unplugged
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14:24<SynrG>meaning the only remaining device is card1
14:24<SynrG>(i mean, unplugged after boot)
14:24<SynrG>so the apps should deal with that gracefully
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14:25<evanbd>Yeah, they should.
14:25<SynrG>in the long run, i think the bug-per-app is a more winning approach for that reason
14:25<evanbd>Makes sense.
14:25<SynrG>these days, so many devices are pluggable
14:25<SynrG>even if they are integrated
14:25<SynrG>(e.g. on a laptop, for power mgmt reasons)
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15:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
15:03<catherine>I have a problem running virtualbox in crunchbang
15:04<catherine>the vb client always refuses to shutdown or restar
15:04<catherine>guest ist installaed
15:04<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. #crunchbang on See <based on Debian>.
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15:13<zylt>is there no debian package for the official SILC client?
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15:33<dondelelcaro>zylt: not any more, no; I believe most people are using the SILC plugin for irssi.
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15:36<zylt>dondelelcaro: yes, but there is a package called 'silc', a "transitional package" for the irssi that just a phantom package that installs the irssi plugin anyway?
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16:24<chriskbachman>i don't know what i like better gnome or kde or both lol
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16:25<devil>you can have both and a plethora of others :)
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16:26<chriskbachman>I've used Linux since 2006 with Gnome mostly, started with Ubuntu and just switched to Debian Squeeze
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16:26<devil>good move
16:27<Guest1860>is Debian Squeeze better than Linux Mint?
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16:27<devil>Guest1860: you're out for a flame? ;)
16:27<devil>sure debian is better!
16:27<Guest1860>i will install it
16:27<chriskbachman>I've used linux mint too on occasion I like Debian better honestly Linux Mint is preconfigured even more than Ubuntu
16:27<Guest1860>I really like Mint
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16:28<devil>Guest1860: its a silly quesation to ask in a debian or mint channel
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16:28<devil>Guest1860: ask that in #suse
16:28<chriskbachman>I tried suse only once. Forget which version but very bloated in my opinion
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16:29<Guest1860>I am curious about debian now
16:29<ramnet>suse used to be good but novell ruined it imo
16:29<Guest1860>this Squeeze might be a graphical interface, etc, right?
16:30<devil>Guest1860: squeeze has X. if thats what troubles you
16:30<chriskbachman>Guest1860: Debian has a lot less hand holding meaning not everything is configured out of the box.
16:30<devil>Guest1860: you can choose during install what DE you prefer (or even none)
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16:31<oskie>hello, is there a way to refer to USB disk devices despite order of insertion? (rather than /dev/sdd etc)
16:31<chriskbachman>devil: That's what I like about Debian compared to Ubuntu
16:32<ramnet>oskie: UUID's or disk labels work
16:32<Tiffany>Ubuntu alternative install allows you to do the same.
16:32<Guest1860>ok, i am a newbie in linux, and i did not like ubuntu soooo much. i prefered Mint. do you think i will like Debian Squeeze?
16:32<devil>Guest1860: we dont know :)
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16:32<ramnet>Guest1860: if you like mint more than ubuntu then probably not until you become less of a newbie :)
16:32<amphi>Guest1860: it would be incredible if you didn't ;)
16:33<devil>Guest1860: you should first inhale debian philosophy maybe
16:33<Guest1860>i am new to linux world and i love how fast it is
16:33<EagleRock>Hi everyone. I'm having issues getting nvidia drivers installed. I normally maintain them
16:33<Guest1860>much faster than windows
16:33<EagleRock> through m-a, but haven't been able to get them installed via m-a, dkms, nor the prebuilt package.
16:33<chriskbachman>I agree stick to Linux Mint for now, maybe try LMDE I've heard good things about it
16:33<EagleRock> I get the same error every time:
16:33<ramnet>with great power comes great responsibility. debian gives you more power than mint but you have to know how to take advantage :)
16:33<Guest1860>mmm tks chrisk!!
16:34<devil>EagleRock: is that on sid?
16:34<EagleRock>devil: I tried originally on Squeeze, but upgraded to Wheezy to see if that changed anything
16:34<chriskbachman>Guest1860: No prob
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16:35<devil>EagleRock: not sure if testing is also broken, but since xorg changed abi 2 days ago from abi-8.0 to abi-8, nvidia-glx is broken
16:35<Guest1860>guys, tk so much, i have to go. i be back
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16:35<chriskbachman>have a good one
16:36<jhutchins_lt>,versions abi
16:36<judd>Sorry, no package named 'abi' was found in i386.
16:37<devil>jhutchins_lt: abi is not a package
16:37<jhutchins_lt>devil: Apparently not.
16:37<EagleRock>devil: that wouldn't affect stable or testing though, right?
16:37<chriskbachman>do you guys find on Debian that Gnome is faster than on Ubuntu? Because I do...
16:37<devil>EagleRock: at least not stable.
16:37<ramnet>EagleRock: it would affect testing eventually if not already. stable would be fine.
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16:38<devil>chriskbachman: cant tell, never used ubuntu
16:38<ramnet>chriskbachman: yes it seems faster. may just be the lack of brown tho :P
16:38<chriskbachman>haha good one ramnet
16:39<chriskbachman>they've switched to purple since 10.04 very ugly
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16:40<devil>EagleRock: could you pastebin lsmod | grep nvidia
16:40<amphi>chriskbachman: more human than human? ;)
16:40<chaos>how do i add multiple ips to localhost? :)
16:41<chriskbachman>amphi: I guess so? Think they're trying to become a MAC OS clone
16:41<amphi>chriskbachman: oh, that common-menu thing like apple OSen?
16:41<ramnet>chaos: ip address add brd + dev lo
16:42<chriskbachman>amphi: exactly.
16:42<EagleRock>devil: got nothing right now, I'm trying a reinstall just to make sure I didn't so something stupid
16:43<ramnet>chaos: can stick after "up" lines in /etc/network/interfaces for the lo stanza.
16:43<chriskbachman>chaos: maybe that will help? I'm not sure if it's what you're looking for but it's in a google search
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16:48<chalist>hi all, how i can install libqt4 in new debian?
16:48<EagleRock>devil: just making sure I had no unstable packages installed or anyhing. I have no output for lsmod | grep nvidia
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16:49<chriskbachman>what do people here prefer stable , testing or unstable? Right now I'm on stable
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16:50<EagleRock>chriskbachman: depends on the application. For server purposes, stable. Desktop purposes, usually testing or a testing/unstable mix
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16:56<chalist>i can't install blogilo. any body can help me?
16:56<planet8>I have installed squeeze as a multimedia pc at home and plugged my tv into the box. The box runs with kde and all is well except for the fact that no matter what I do the box keeps shutting down the tv at every 20 minuttes. I have remove all power saving utilities.. I have disabled all power saving functions in system settings in KDE and made sure BIOS is set to S1. What can possible still be doing this?
16:57<chriskbachman>Well It's on my one main desktop now I am using it for school purposes
16:57<dpkg>[screen blanking] you can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via "xset -dpms", xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls. If the console-tools package is installed, permanent console blanking adjustments can be made by editing /etc/console-tools/config.
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16:59<planet8>I dont think its a blanking issue because the tv says "No signal" when it happens
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17:01<planet8>and again perhaps it is..
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17:04<EagleRock>I'm still not making any progress with this nvidia driver. This is quite strange, as I've worked with these drivers quite a it before and I still can't get it to load the kernel module
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17:06<planet8>amphi, thanks!
17:07<Torsten_W>EagleRock, "i can't" does not help anyone
17:07<Torsten_W>EagleRock, what does dmesg say, about the kernel-module?
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17:11<ckbachman>didn't realize I was logged in twice lol
17:12<EagleRock>Torsten_W: ah, taht makes sense. The drivers are too old to support this GPU
17:12<EagleRock>Torsten_W: strange though, because I had the same exact issue that is supported by this card...
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17:13<Torsten_W>i have not seen any dmesg-output from you
17:13<Torsten_W>so i can't say anything to your issue
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17:15<planet8>Screen blanking is still on.. I uset "xset s off" to turn it off, but this doesn't help.
17:15<Torsten_W>planet8, try xset -dpms
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17:20<AJRimmer>what package would you apt-get for HP printer drivers? it's hp thin client and all the HP ftp links in the package manager fail
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17:21<devil>AJRimmer: hplip
17:21<planet8>Torsten_W, thanks.. will see if that helps.
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17:24<AJRimmer>thx but no workie hp broke apt-get
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17:25<EagleRock>Torsten_W: I didn't paste the output because I figured it out. dmesg had the answer. The drivers are too old, so I either have to use the free driver or the one from (shudder)
17:25<EagleRock>Torsten_W: I just didn't think to check dmesg...thanks
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17:31<ompaul>AJRimmer: and if you feel like doing a custom job on the cups server and having other boxes "leech" from a common cups server then consider getting the PPD file from if it exists - for that lovely custom job with cups :)
17:31<ckbachman>not a bad video review of squeeze
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17:32<ckbachman>at least I hope not
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17:39<quant>hello all, apt-get remove wants to remove TONS of packages (more or less my whole system) when I want to run it - fresh Debian Squeeze install and used only apt-get a few times for installing programs
17:39<quant>apt-get autoremove*
17:40<ompaul>quant: want to paste that into so we can see what you are talking about
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17:41<quant>ompaul, I can if you want, but it's pretty much 1.5 screens of packages - everything from update managers to codecs
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17:41<quant>ompaul, transmission... you name it, everything
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17:42<ompaul>quant: paste your sources.list in that case
17:43<quant>ompaul, sources.list is the default one with contrib and non-free added to each line and CD commented out
17:43<ompaul>quant: did you recently apt-get dist-upgrade?
17:43<quant>ompaul, it's a fresh squeeze install
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17:44<retrospectacus>probably gnome metapackage thing
17:44<dpkg>Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards).
17:45<ompaul>quant: ^^
17:45<quant>retrospectacus, it's pretty stupid, it's probably because I've removed empathy and evolution which took down gnome meta packages
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17:46<retrospectacus>yeah exactly. Now you don't have the full gnome so all that stuff is optional. You should do apt-get install <things from that list that you do want>
17:46<quant>retrospectacus, but you suggest aptitude unmarkauto, I was using apt-get, can I fix apt-get?
17:47<quant>retrospectacus, ok, doing apt-get install that-mega-long-list now
17:47<ramnet>apt-get is basically the same as aptitude
17:47<retrospectacus>yeah same
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17:49<quant>but they don't log stuff in the same place, right?
17:50<ramnet>run "aptitude" with no arguments vs "apt-get" with no args for the only real difference. afaik they don't log anything themselves dpkg does the logging.
17:50<retrospectacus>they both operate by running dpkg, the basic package add/remover. dpkg has his own log
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17:52<quant>retrospectacus, ramnet so what's up with all those sites suggesting to use either one or the other... just confusing users, sadly
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17:53<babilen>quant: I would start with "gnome-session" or one of the other (smaller meta-packages) (c.f.
17:53<ramnet>quant: in the past aptitude had better dependency handling but that is no longer the case today
17:53<babilen>quant: And build from there ...
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17:54<ramnet>apt-get also uses less memory if you are on very memory contrained systems
17:54<babilen>ramnet: It is still the case. Show me apt-get doing interactive resolving or thinking really hard about different options.
17:54<quant>babilen, how about just apt-get install or aptitude unmarkauto and paste that whole huge list?
17:54<ramnet>babilen: just going by what the squeeze release notes say :)
17:55<babilen>quant: I would start with a few strategically chosen meta-packages to deal with some packages. (gnome-session *is* a good choice if you use gnome) -- And then just unmarkauto the packages *you* really want
17:55<retrospectacus>I've never had a problem using apt-get exclusively since etch
17:56<quant>retrospectacus, try removing empathy and evolution and you'll duplicate my problem :)
17:56*ramnet prefers aptitude interactive mode
17:56<quant>retrospectacus, apt-get remove
17:56<babilen>ramnet: There are still differences. aptitude also has much more powerful search operators than apt-cache. That doesn't mean that apt-get is a bad tool or that you shouldn't use it. It is just another tool in the toolbox.
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17:57<ramnet>yup. i think we'll both agree better than dselect tho :P
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17:57<quant>babilen, my thoughts were that if Debian developers included both, they should be able to be used interchangeably, but some people got me confused
17:57<retrospectacus>quant, I know but you don't need aptitude to fix it, apt-get will work
17:58<retrospectacus>aptitude has <aptitude foo>
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17:58<retrospectacus>going fo it
17:58<retrospectacus>for it
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17:58<babilen>quant: You can use them interchangeably these days. (That was not always the case as they differed in the way automatically installed packages (i.e. dependencies) were handled) -- Still not the same tool.
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18:01<quant>um, I actually have a problem pasting that whole list for apt-get install... I get gaps that made my terminal start lots of stuff in root mode :(
18:01<retrospectacus>good times with copy/paste :)
18:02<ramnet>sudo helps with a loose clipboard ;)
18:02<quant>retrospectacus, I know they're good times, now help out, please! :)
18:03<retrospectacus>root@yourbox:/# echo <<<EOT [paste here] \nEOT | xargs apt-get install
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18:03<quant>retrospectacus, could you please make it piped to a file so I can inspect it? ;-)
18:04<retrospectacus>em, ok
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18:04<retrospectacus>echo <<<EOT [paste here] \nEOT > file
18:04<quant>retrospectacus, ty :) trying it...
18:04<retrospectacus>then apt-get install $(cat file)
18:04<retrospectacus>if you approve :)
18:05<retrospectacus>where \n is a newline, press enter
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18:08<quant>ok, thanks all and see you later
18:08<retrospectacus>have a good weekend
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18:23<And1>Hey guys. I've got a problem with booting after s2disk... could it be a problem with nouveau, or maybe with the new kernel 2.6.37-1?
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18:30<riordian>I have a box running squeeze doing dhcp on multiple interfaces. How can I pass the dhcpclient a different configuration/handler for each interface?
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18:33<winsen>hello everybody
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18:34<winsen>i want to connect my wifi, pleasae can you see if it's correct
18:35<winsen>i have to add another file for ""/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
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18:37<justin__>I have a problem.
18:37<justin__>I removed network-manager-kde and installed wicd
18:38<justin__>Do I have to uninstall network-manager, because wicd isn't working
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18:38<winsen>justin, we're two
18:39<winsen>cause i've problem also to configure wifi
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18:39<winsen>to configure interfaces network
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18:41<winsen>justin> you're wifi worked before, i mean before you install wicd, does it?
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18:42<kminor>Oh weird, hey guys guess what? It just let me download the packages with synaptic! I did download only, which didnt work 20 minutes ago, but it worked! I didn't even change anything.. wow
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18:43<babilen>kminor: ECHAN ;)
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18:44<kminor>babilen : Im not cool enough to know what that neeto word means ;)
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18:44<justin__>So, can you figure out why this happens?
18:44<justin__>Do I have to uninstall network-manager?
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18:45<ivan>Neto means nothing
18:45<babilen>kminor: Ah, sorry. "E" means "error" and "CHAN" mean "channel". Therefore "ECHAN" == "Wrong channel" (oftc and not freenode)
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18:46<babilen>kminor: It stems from the error code constant names used in C programs. (EIO == I/O error and so on)
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18:47<babilen>justin__: Yes, I would actually remove network-manager. You might also have to configure wicd to manage your particular interface.
18:47<justin__>Oh, ok
18:47<justin__>Hopefully, babilen, you're right
18:48<justin__>And, yes, I did configure wicd to connect using ETH1, my wireless controller
18:49<justin__>Also, ONE more thing
18:49<justin__>This is what happened :
18:49<kminor>babilen : cool cool, well thanks for being here for me anyhow. Still haven't run the apt-get upgrade to see if all is well, gonna make sure the debian-multimedia stable repo is removed from sources.list since that was the only unofficial repo in my sources.list...but i didnt change a thing, still confused on what in the world happened to fix it
18:49<babilen>It might also be that wicd doesn't work with your particular wireless adaptor.
18:49<justin__>I was connecting to my WPA network.
18:49<justin__>It can scan for all networks
18:50<justin__>But I was connecting to the WPA network
18:50<justin__>The validation was stuck.
18:50<justin__>Then it had told me the key was incorrect, even though it was
18:50<kminor>justin__ : did you check your /etc/network/interfaces to make sure the WPA password and stuff is still in your file?
18:50<babilen>dearest people, i have to go for a second. I hope you manage. Note that there is also a busy channel on freenode and the wiki. and a lot of documentation in /usr/share/doc/PACKAGE
18:50<justin__>Actually, I had inserted it in the properties window
18:51<babilen>winsen: You probably want to read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz (and the other documentation in there)
18:51<babilen>winsen: /me would recommend roaming mode if this is for a wireless device or wicd
18:51<justin__>So, also, I commented out /etc/network/interfaces...
18:51<justin__>It didn't really work with nm
18:52<justin__>Should I recomment it back in?
18:52<babilen>justin__: Make sure your /etc/network/interfaces matches
18:52<kminor>justin__ : check /etc/network/interfaces and see if your WPA password for the interface and all that jazz is set right...
18:52<justin__>Or is putting the key in the password box in the config window is fine
18:52<kminor>justin__: yes you don't want that commented out or it won't authenticate your password to the WPA thing on your wireless router
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18:53<pingping777>hello, good evening
18:53<babilen>kminor: you shouldn't need to configure the wpa psk in /etc/network/interfaces if you use wicd
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18:54<pingping777>has anyone here experience with utf-8 ?
18:54<kminor>babilen : I did turn off a crummy wireless printer that kept taking my server internal ip before i set it to dhcp-static reservation..that shouldn't matter i didnt think
18:54<kminor>babilen: oh ok, I have never gotten wicd to work myself.
18:54<justin__>Wait, does WPA-PSK mean a Pre-Shared key?
18:55<justin__>Because I got mine setup, instead of preshared
18:55<devil>pingping777: please ask your question
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18:55<pingping777>im from switzerland
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18:55<pingping777>my console is not working correctly
18:55<pingping777>i setup locale to de_CH.UTF-8
18:56<pingping777>the output in the console is not 100% correct
18:56<pingping777>i cannot display the special characters
18:56<justin__>So, should I install wpa_supplicant?
18:59<justin__>Should I remove almost everything in /etc/network/interfaces ?
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18:59<justin__>Anything under allow-hotplug eth1
18:59<justin__>Should I remove it?
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19:00<sahko>you should definitely install wpasupplicant
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19:01<pingping777>i made my setup with wpasupplicant too
19:01<pingping777>can give it a try
19:01<sahko>dont ask me how to configure networking though, its a WIP for me as well
19:02<justin__>So I shouldn't do thi
19:03<pingping777>maybe this helps
19:03<justin__>I am on that page
19:03<winsen>please, could you look at this file if it's correct ,; thank you
19:03<justin__>I'm trying to use this
19:03<pingping777>ok :|
19:04<strefli3>My power went out about three hours ago, my system has a ups and did not go down, however the networking equipment did. The network is up and running fine, but the load on the server continues to increase, it is currently at 32.5 and rising. Processes look normal, and so do the log files. What is the next step in figuring out what is happening?
19:04<justin__>Should I do that?
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19:04<sahko>winsen: are you sure your wireless card is eth1?
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19:04<winsen>sincerly no
19:05<sahko>ethX is usually ethernet
19:05<justin__>So, should I do what I just posted?
19:05<justin__>sahko : That is not true.
19:05<justin__>sahko : For me, eth1 is wireless
19:05<sahko>ok, i said usually
19:05<winsen><sahko>no i am not sure, tell me, how can i know it?
19:05<amphi>winsen: do iwconfig & it should tell you
19:06<sahko>and thats all about the help i can give. i dont know debian networking
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19:06<justin__>So, should I do
19:06<amphi>winsen: you're on squeeze?
19:06<pingping777>lokks like jam on eth
19:06<pingping777>too much data comes from the process
19:06<pingping777>check there
19:07<winsen>amphi>yes i am
19:07<pingping777> i had a similar behavior on a mail gateway
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19:07<strefli3>pingping777, I restarted networking about 10 minutes ago, nothing changed.
19:07<amphi>winsen: what does iwconfig say the wireless device is, if any?
19:08<winsen>my ifconfig and iwconfig =
19:08<amphi>winsen: just tell me which it is, if any
19:08<amphi>I don't need a pastebin for that
19:08<pingping777>u must monitor the tcp output queue, i guess is much data in it
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19:08<winsen>what do you want to know amphi?
19:09<winsen>excuse me amphi my english is not well,
19:09<amphi>winsen: I don't want to know anything; you seem to want to know which interface is your wireless
19:09<sahko>your wifi is wlan0
19:09<winsen>yes it nis
19:09<strefli3>pingping777, # lsof -ni | grep -c TCP yields 156
19:09<winsen>it is
19:10<amphi>winsen: I would install and use wicd for configuring your wireless; it works well, and is easy to use
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19:11<winsen>amphi>i had never use wicd, you think it's better
19:11<winsen>do you?
19:11<amphi>winsen: yes, it works very well; it has two clients, one for terminal, one for X
19:11<pingping777>its not too much
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19:12<amphi>winsen: give it a try
19:12<strefli3>pingping777, Fairly common on that machine
19:12<amphi>winsen: you use gnome desktop?
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19:13<winsen>amphi>yes i am in gnome
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19:13<winsen>with laptop
19:13<sahko>wicd is by no means better than networkmanager, its only advantage is that it doesnt drop connection when you logout of X and that it has an ncurses client
19:13<pingping777>u mean cpu load right
19:13<sahko>if you think any of these is desirable then use wicd
19:13<amphi>winsen: then 'aptitude install wicd-gtk' is probably what you want
19:14<sahko>otherwise stick to networkmanager, imo
19:14<amphi>sahko: I see endless complaints and problems with network-manager here
19:14<winsen>i had already install network manager, should i remove NM?
19:14<strefli3>pingping777, # uptime
19:14<strefli3> 19:14:31 up 44 days, 4:01, 8 users, load average: 33.00, 32.57, 30.25
19:14<sahko>i dont like either tbh
19:15<amphi>winsen: so why are you having such problems?
19:15<amphi>sahko: wicd has worked well for me so far
19:15<sahko>me too
19:15<winsen>amphi> i don't know why
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19:15<winsen>actualy i use ethernet for connecting
19:16<amphi>winsen: but you want to use wireless?
19:16<winsen>amphi>yes both
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19:16<winsen>i mean either
19:17<pingping777>is it still sinking
19:17<babilen>winsen: yes, please remove n-m. Or at least make sure that it is stopped and not started automatically. n-m and wicd don't work well *together* :)
19:17<strefli3>pingping777, Indeed it is
19:17<pingping777>and was is your expected load ?
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19:18<pingping777>maybe it will correct itself
19:18<strefli3>that is what I thought when it was at 10
19:18<strefli3>I think I be on to something
19:18<retrospectacus>strefli3: maybe you're under attack
19:18<winsen>babilen>how could i knowing if NM started automaticly or no?
19:18<strefli3>retrospectacus, if that was the case, how would one determine this?
19:19<ramnet>strefil3: use top to see what's hogging your cpu
19:19<strefli3>Top displays nothing of interest
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19:19<ramnet>how about dmesg?
19:19<winsen>i ll be crazy
19:19<babilen>winsen: The easiest way is probably just to remove/purge it. Another would be to run "invoke-rc.d network-manager stop" and "insserv -r network-manager"
19:20<strefli3>dmesg lists nothing of interest since I restarted networking about 15 minutes ago
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19:20<babilen>winsen: Please don't be crazy unless you want to be.
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19:21<ramnet>i've seen load average spike to crazy levels like that before - usually has to do with a hardware interrupt going crazy
19:21<retrospectacus>strefli3, watch some logs, tcpdump some ports, etc.
19:22<justin__>THanks, wpa package worked.
19:22<justin__>Now I don't have a flurry of crap on when I start up my computer
19:22<winsen>babilen>thanks, but sincerly i tried to fix intrefaces network, but may be i should restart my computer
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19:23<babilen>winsen: I don't quite understand what you mean. wicd should manager both you wired and your wireless interfaces once you made the necessary changes to /etc/network/interfaces (see the wiki page i linked earlier)
19:24<babilen>winsen: A reboot probably won't hurt though, but shouldn't also be necessary.
19:24<winsen>sorry i didn't see the wiki you linked
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19:25<winsen>ok, so think that it's better to remove difinitly NM, and install wicd
19:26<winsen>and what about the configuration interfaces networks i did, should pu comment all ?
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19:27<babilen>but it is *your* decision. Use whatever you want to use. I can't live with n-m and used pure wpa-supplicant for a long time. I am happy with wicd these days.
19:27<winsen>should i put # for each line
19:28<babilen>winsen: No, don't comment all. You want "auto lo" "iface lo inet loopback" in there
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19:29<babilen>(as explained on the wiki)
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19:29<winsen>ok, so i have to let it like that?
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19:30<babilen>let what like what? You know, deictic expressions don't work well in chats.
19:30<winsen>without modify anything
19:30<babilen>I have no idea what you have there right now.
19:30<winsen>just remove NM and install Wicd
19:30<babilen>It should be the same config as for n-m
19:31<babilen>winsen: I can't tell you what you should do. If you want to use "wicd" then yes, remove n-m and install wicd.
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19:32<winsen>i didn't configurate NM i never did that , may be that's why it didn't work, i just did that by terminal not in gui
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19:34<babilen> (or read the rest too if you are interested)
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19:35<babilen>also see for information on n-m
19:38<winsen><babilen>thank you very mutch, you know i had network , i can see everyone connecting as the right window with NM tutorial , but when i put my password it doesn't work
19:39<babilen>winsen: "doesn't work" is a very vague statement. So, can you connect as you want with wicd?
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19:40<winsen>i am agree with you, it's vague statement, i mean i can see my network
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19:42<winsen>but i've also to edit interfaces network with wicd, no?
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19:43<winsen>should i edit interfaces networks with wicd or no?
19:43<klh>winsen, look debian-fr
19:43<babilen>what do you mean?
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19:43<streuner_>dpkg, listkeys wireless
19:43<dpkg>Factoid search of 'wireless' by key (15): wireless-tools ;; wireless tree ;; wireless howto ;; what's my wireless ;; whats my wireless ;; wireless ;; wireless lan ;; _default wireless ;; wireless-testing ;; wireless connection managers ;; compat-wireless ;; wireless connection manager ;; wireless help ;; wireless-more ;; #debian wireless.
19:44<user_>Volume control in Squeeze is using my line-out port as a headphone port and i'm getting distorted audio.
19:44<user_>is there a alsa conf utility or file that I can use to reassign the port?
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19:45<winsen><babilen>thanks you, i am testing for wicd, hope i'll work
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19:45<winsen><klh>thank you
19:46<retrospectacus>user_, should be all configurable in the volume control
19:46<eightyeight>where can i find the compile-time options for any given package?
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19:47<winsen><streuner_>thank you, however, i folowed step by step this tuto, but unfourtunly it doesn't work
19:47<eightyeight>streuner_: is that for me?
19:47<eightyeight>streuner_: was it a guess?
19:47<streuner_>winsen: did you try interfaces?
19:48<winsen>i linked it, if you want i can do it nowif you want
19:49<streuner_>YOU want to make WLAN work, not me...
19:49<babilen>winsen: What did you do and what is the result?
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19:50<streuner_>thats surely not enought to get a WLAN device to work
19:50<winsen>streuner want to know why it doesn't work
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19:51<amphi>winsen: did wicd not work for you?
19:51<babilen>winsen: I told you to comment everything *except* "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" -- are you not listening? Read the wiki page it says the same thing.
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19:52<streuner_>(for interfaces)
19:52<streuner_>no idea about wicd
19:52<babilen>amphi: I think winsen is trying to get wicd running with that /etc/network/interfaces which is just bound to fail.
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19:52<retrospectacus>so long everyone, have a good weekend
19:52<strefli3>Fixed my load problem. When the power went out, one of the NFS mounts went down. When cacti runs its poller to get local file system free space it just runs 'df' which hangs because the NFS went down. Thus creating an artificial load on the system
19:52<amphi>babilen: yes, so it seems
19:52<winsen><babilen>you're good man
19:52<babilen>winsen: Neither wicd nor network-manager will work with that /etc/network/interfaces
19:53<matu>Hi, is there a way to completely disable HAL when installing debian stable ?
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19:54<babilen>winsen: comment line 9 to 16 and restart wicd (invoke-rc.d wicd restart) -- then start "wicd-gtk" (+click the icon in the panel) or "wicd-client -n"
19:54<matu>it causes me pain... using fvwm i get a warning messsage noticing me everyone using pcmanfm (the filebrowser) will be able to run softwares with the root privileges because of hal...
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19:54<babilen>matu: You can remove it. "aptitude purge hal"
19:55<babilen>matu: Or just prevent it from starting (see insserv/update-rc.d/rcconf/sysv-rc-conf)
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19:55<user_>retrospectacus: There is no option in the volume control to change port configuration. There is a Line Sense pref but that doesn't do anything?
19:56<winsen>babilen>ok iam testing
19:56<matu>ah thank you babilen i hope it will make my system safer
19:57<babilen>matu: Do you have a bug report for that? Or could you paste that warning somewhere? I find it quite unlikely that a security hole like that is present.
19:57<matu>i just installed debian from the net install cd choosing "lxde graphic install"
19:58<matu>i can past it obviously (in french)
19:58<matu>i just have to launch pacmanfm and try to mount my hdd (i currently use a sed card to store my whole system)
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19:58<babilen>matu: Start the program with "LANG=C program" (replace program with the command to start the program we are talking about)
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19:59<matu>oh since i used "aptitude purge hal" i can run pacmanfm anymore >_<
20:00<sahko>great, that fixed it:)
20:00<thewanderer>matu: install pcmanfm-nohal
20:01<matu>ah yes it is because the process install can't close hald...
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20:04<matu>the aptitude purge hald process...
20:05<matu>hum ok sorry it is done, i am installing pcmanfm-nohal and will tell you what is happening
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20:06<amakusa>hello, can anyone tell me what is the difference between xterm and uxterm?
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20:06<streuner_>dpkg, info uxterm
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20:07<streuner_>dpkg> Package 'uxterm' does not exist.
20:07<dpkg>streuner_: i don't know
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20:10<streuner_>amakusa: apt-cache show xterm
20:11<matu>babilen, and thewanderer , using pcmanfm-nohal i dont have the link to mount my hdd from the favorites
20:11<streuner_>amakusa: look at the description, it explains uxterm
20:11<amakusa>streuner_: I got:"bash: amakusa:: command not found"
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20:12<amakusa>I'm so dumb
20:12<amakusa>nevermind that
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20:12<matu>here is the notice :
20:13<babilen>amakusa: wonderful :)
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20:14*babilen hands matu a "LANG=C"
20:14<amakusa>babilen: lol
20:15<amakusa>streuner_: I understand after reading the description, thanks
20:15<matu>ok i used "LANC=C pcmanfm"
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20:15<matu>it is still "loading"
20:15<matu>nothing is happening babilen
20:16*babilen finally reached nirvana
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20:18<matu>do you want me to do something helse babilen ? because nothing is happening, it looks it is still loading something... i dont know...
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20:26<sahko>how long does usually reportbug take to post a report?
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20:26<sahko>is it instant?
20:27<sahko>it been sending via sendmail.. for a couple of mins now
20:27<abrotman>sahko: not instant .. usually 15 minutes or so
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20:28<sahko>is this a joke?
20:28<abrotman>why would i joke about that?
20:28<sahko>15 minutes?
20:29<sahko>it finished, didnt get through though
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20:30<d-b>hi um
20:30<d-b> is currently broken - is this known?
20:30<streuner_>just happend, it worked 5 minutes ago for me
20:31<ansgar>Works for me right now.
20:31<streuner_>strange, but true
20:31<d-b>but it was down
20:32<d-b>i assume someone tweaked the config :P
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20:32<streuner_>within a few seconds? ;-)
20:33<d-b>but by pressing f5 we might break it!
20:33<user_>Anyone know how to configure soundcard ports in alsa-base.conf. I.e. I want to reassign the Headphone port to be a Line In (it was incorrectly assigned).
20:33<user_>Or is this a volume control problem?
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20:50<sahko>abrotman: 15 seemed too much
20:50<sahko>anyway, failed again, will try reporting tomorrow
20:50<sahko>abrotman: scroll up, reportbug
20:51<abrotman>yes ..
20:51<abrotman>but how was 15 too much /.
20:51<sahko>to send an email?:)
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20:51<abrotman>sahko: the system has to process it .. if there's a heavy load, it can take up to an hour .. but usually it gets back to you within 15
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20:52<sahko>ah , ok, dont know how it works, since i havent managed to report anything yet:)
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20:54<SynrG>particularly if you're greylisted
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20:56*babilen suspects sahko is having technical problems to send the mail
20:57<babilen>sahko: Or do you really think that 15 minutes until you get a reply or the report can be seen in the BTS is too long?
20:57<streuner_>in the past it took 24 hours or more...
20:57<streuner_>to get a reply
20:58<sahko>babilen: i think seeing sending via sendmail.. in a terminal for 15 minutes is long
20:58-!-reklipz [] has joined #debian
20:58<streuner_>so, have some patience
20:58<babilen>sahko: you mean it takes 15 to actually send the mail?
20:59<sahko>[03:26] <sahko> how long does usually reportbug take to post a report?
20:59<abrotman>i assumed he meant to the website
20:59<sahko>doesnt that translate to it?
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20:59<sahko>ah ok, misunderstanding
21:00<babilen>sahko: yeah, misunderstanding. I was just trying to clarify that. Yeah, 15min is a bit long.
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21:03<d4rkeyes>which is the best debian product??
21:03<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
21:04<sahko>NKOTB ofc
21:04<sahko>try #3
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21:05*dpkg pours a bag of popcorn into ssb's lap. (You probably mean popcon, ask me about <popcon>)
21:05<streuner_>dpkg, popcon
21:05<dpkg>methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at -- See the FAQ at . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package
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21:06<streuner_>dpkg, factinfo popcorn
21:06<dpkg>popcorn -- last modified at Mon Jan 23 07:07:57 2006 by SimonRaven!; it has been requested 76 times, last by streuner_, 53s ago.
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21:09<sahko>oh bloody hell it failed again, well lets call it a night
21:10<streuner_>sahko: well, so your MTA just works or not?
21:11<sahko>i have an .msmtprc thats been working for ever, but not tested in Debian
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21:18<nayn>gnome menu disapeared suddenly - the bar disappeared but the icons are still there - does anyone knows how to restore gnome menu
21:19<amphi>nayn: can't you right click the bar, and choose 'add stuff' and then 'application menu' or some such?
21:19<amphi>I don't know gnome, so I guess somewhat
21:19<abrotman>you guess a lot!
21:20<amphi>I must
21:21<nayn>how do you start CLI from shortcut keyboard
21:22<nayn>no I cannot
21:23<amphi>nayn: run gnome-terminal? or failing that, xterm
21:23<amphi>or ctrl-alt-f1
21:24<nayn>OK that it what I needed at least ctrlaltf1
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21:36<sahko>yeah, its a problem with my config. sent it without using msmtp and it worked
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22:37<winsen>hello everybody, can you tell how to do to fix my ip ethernet and wlan0?
22:38<agentc>hey winsen
22:38<agentc>how are you?
22:38<agentc>no idea about wlan.
22:38<winsen>how are you?
22:38<winsen>oh no!
22:39<agentc>winsen: feeling ill, but could be worser
22:39<amphi>winsen: have you still not fixed it?
22:39<winsen>what happend my friend
22:39<agentc>winsen: did you got my email?#
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22:39<winsen>no, cause i am using NM , bit it didn't work
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22:40<winsen>it guives two diferents network, about ethernet and wlan0
22:41<agentc>winsen: output of ifconfig ?
22:42<winsen>it's not the same network
22:43<winsen>tha's why i should fix both ip
22:43<agentc>winsen: no, wlan is in another network then eth0
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22:44<winsen>are you sure?
22:44<agentc>winsen: and turn of dhcp anyway, set them staticly to and 11 for example
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22:44<winsen>that what isaid
22:44<agentc>winsen: and dont forget to adjust /etc/hosts
22:45<winsen>but when you say it's different network, so why it didn't work?
22:46<agentc>winsen: cause it is. xxx.yyy.zzz.?? must be the same, only last number of ip should be different
22:46<winsen>i don't know how to set them staticly, can you help me?
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22:47<agentc>winsen: its possible to use more then one network, buts difficult to configure. to change IP you have to use the web-config page of your router to change the network adress, there also you have to disable DHCP
22:49<winsen>yes i know that, that's why i can not connect by wifi
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22:49<masterraie>any one here
22:50<agentc>winsen: and i saw, you're using ipv6 ??? should be ipv4
22:50<agentc>masterraie: morning!
22:50<masterraie>im on black track muhahah
22:50<sney>or evening, depending
22:50<dpkg>BackTrack is just an operating system. It does not magically turn you into a hacker. It is also offtopic in #debian. Please fulfill your fantasies in #backtrack-linux on
22:50<masterraie>im just saying
22:50<agentc>sney: depends on planetary position ;)
22:51<masterraie>and btw blacktrack is cool o
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22:51<winsen>yes to set them staticly ofcourse thank you , i forgot it
22:51<sney>well thanks for sharing but you're still in the wrong place, masterraie
22:52<masterraie>execpt the fact that i formated my window 7 instaling it -_-
22:52<sney>open up your server list again and actually look at it this time, maybe you will find the right channel
22:52<masterraie>i did it wass full of name i never saw before
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22:53<masterraie>what chat should i look for
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22:53<sney>and the channel #backtrack-linux
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22:53<winsen><agentc>you said i've to disable dhcp in order to do that
22:53-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*] by abrotman
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22:53<abrotman>masterraie: please find the backtrack support channel, this isn't it
22:54<agentc>winsen: to set the ip of your devices manually, may a problem in configuration when IP always changing from time by time
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22:55<agentc>winsen: you can use DHCP when you settup your /etc/hosts correctly, but it's easier to configure the system when using static IP's for the routers and clients
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22:56<winsen><agentc>but i had not this problem when i was with ubuntu , and i have not this probleme with winxp on the same laptop
22:57<agentc>winsen: i dont know what hardware you are using currently, is it a WLAN router or an usb stick?
22:57<winsen>i think so, for server especialy and client fix but what about laptop?
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22:58<winsen>wlan router
23:00<agentc>winsen: can you show/modify config by webinterface of router ?
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23:00<winsen>i am asking, why it works with ubuntu and winx and doesn't work with debian?
23:01<baltzell>I am trying to install Debian 6, and I have downloaded the iso directly via http from the website, via torrents, and via jigdo, and the result is the same: incompatible kernel modules. This is an intel processor and I am downloading the i386 version. I have installed 4 and 5 successfully. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? Thanks in advance.
23:01<sney>baltzell: where does that error appear?
23:02<agentc>winsen: dont know, ubuntu and debian are not as different, i think there is a config-error
23:02<winsen>sorry frien, you mean interfaces networks?
23:02<sney>and how are you installing it, from a cd or hd-media?
23:02<baltzell>Downloaded iso, and burn to cd, check sum, and then the problem is under "Load installer componenets from CD".
23:03<sney>and the checksum is OK? hmm
23:03<baltzell>thanks for your response
23:03<winsen>i didn't modify webinterface of router, cause it works before with other distributions
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23:04<winsen>sorry for error with verbs
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23:04<agentc>winsen: is DHCP in router enabled ?
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23:18<hardbop200>hi - fresh install of squeeze...went to connect to my wireless, and after I put in my pwd, I get prompted for a keyring password!?! how do I make this go away forever and ever, amen?
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23:28<kop>hardbop200: Get rid of kde?
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23:31<hardbop200>kop: no, whatever is asking me for a password to a keyring?
23:31<doubledutch>hardbop200; what kind of keyring? Does it complain about a keyring when you $ sudo apt-get upgrade ?
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23:36<hardbop200>doubledutch: no, it doesn't. I've seen this in ubuntu, I think it's a gnome thing...
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23:36<hardbop200>I'm sorry I'm not being any more specific :/
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23:38<sney>well, it doesn't look like gnome-keyring is actually required, so you could likely remove it and just be prompted for passwords individually
23:38<sney>I can't promise that though because I don't have a machine with gnome so I can't test it
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23:49<hardbop200>sney: yup, makes sense...
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23:53<saleem>hi, can i use wheezy rather than testing now that squeeze has been released?
23:54<sney>you can if you want, but it might break
23:54<sney>I have wheezy on one of my machines, it hasn't broken yet but who knows
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