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---Logopened Sat Feb 19 00:00:22 2011
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00:02<saleem>sney, thanks, i will down grading my sources list from sid to testing so im sure it will not that much insecure as sid
00:03<sney>hmm, downgrading will probably not work
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00:04<saleem>well the last i remember getting updates was 2 months back, that time sid and resting were almost same
00:05<saleem>testing
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00:42<Action>Heyo all
00:42<sney>hi
00:42<Action>How's life?
00:42<Action>hello sney
00:42<Action>Kinda new here
00:42<Action>not really time to spend a lot in IRC & Co.
00:42<Action>but sometimes can chat
00:43<sney>this is a support channel
00:43<Action>sorry
00:44<Action>hace a lot of fun
00:44<Action>*have
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00:53<x_>hello
00:54<sney>hi
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02:49<mangelito>oli
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03:15<Guest1896>Need help with sound on flashplugin-nonfree.
03:15<Guest1896>I have set the default card and blacklisted the other cards.
03:15<Guest1896>Sound works fine in VLC and MPlayer.
03:16<Guest1896>Just not in flash.
03:16<nutterpc>where bouts is the page to rebuild ur own kernel in the debian way, its a page on the site, cant find it
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03:19<Guest1896>nutterpc: have you looked at http://wiki.debian.org/Kernel?
03:19<Guest1896>nutterpc: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage
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03:20<nutterpc>yeh and had me head deep in sysctl earlier
03:20<nutterpc>lol
03:20<nutterpc>brain hurts
03:21<Guest1896>mine too, but for a simpler problem: sound in flash
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03:21<nutterpc>well
03:21<nutterpc>sysctl & rc.local
03:21<nutterpc>i should say
03:22<nutterpc>discovered some of the options they say in powertop especially
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03:22<nutterpc>and round the net
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03:22<nutterpc>isnt in the kernel installed on this system o.0
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03:23<nutterpc>i tried dualbooting Windows 7 on this EEE
03:24<mateusz>Hi, after installing sqeeze I could copy/past by selecting text and clicking two buttons of mouse, now after upgrade this behaviour is gone. Does anyone know how to enable it?
03:24<toloykhan>hello I have a problem with adding a file with +x privilege to init.d directory but when I copy it from /usr/bin to init.d it did not work on startup i use ubuntu 10.04
03:24<cahoot>!ubuntu
03:24<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
03:25<nutterpc>man, having gotten used to Debian on it, i spend more time in my squeeze install
03:26<toloykhan> hello I have a problem with adding a file with +x privilege to init.d directory but when I copy it from /usr/bin to init.d it did not work on startup i use ubuntu 10.04
03:26<nutterpc>toloykhan, best go to #ubuntu to ask that mate
03:26<nutterpc>this is debian
03:26<mateusz>toloykhan, someone already replayed to You
03:27<toloykhan>nutterpc I was there I there is not replay
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03:28<cahoot>toloykhan: #debian is the wrong place to ask
03:28<knoppix_>mmm
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03:29<cahoot>toloykhan: try ##linux or such if #ubuntu is unhelpful
03:29<Guest1896>nutterpc: had to install the testing (squeeze) kernel once because of no USB activity in the old lenny kernel on my EEE.
03:30<toloykhan>thanx guys for redirecting
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03:30<nutterpc>hmm ok
03:30<Guest1896>Is wheezy 2.6.32?
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03:31<nutterpc>type this
03:31<nutterpc>./exec -o uname -a
03:31<nutterpc>minus the dot
03:32<nutterpc>wheezy is 2.6.37
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03:36<manishe>nutterpc: wheezy (as testing) is on 2.6.32. 2.6.37 is in experimental at the moment.
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04:32<AgentC>is there any satelite antenna program to check signal present ?
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04:35<AgentC>is there any satelite antenna program to check signal present ?
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04:37<nevyn>satellite antenna program?
04:37<nevyn>AgentC: ??
04:38<petemc>i have a hardware device for that, was cheap
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04:44<AgentC>nevyn: i have a technisat skystar pci card, and i need a program which shows me connectivity to satelite, cause i dont know about position of satelite
04:45<nevyn>sat tv or satellite internet?
04:45<AgentC>petemc: i also bought a hardware device for testing, but it is not delivered at moment
04:46<AgentC>sat tv
04:46<babilen>!tell AgentC about search
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04:47<babilen>AgentC: "apt-cache search satellite" comes up with a few things. I am sure you can come up with even better queries. (/msg dpkg aptitude search)
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04:47<babilen>,info seesat5
04:47<judd>Package seesat5 (science, optional) in squeeze/i386: a satellite location program. Version: 0.90.10-1.1; Size: 92.0k; Installed: 228k
04:47<nevyn>AgentC: so there's no connectivity to the satellite with satTV
04:47<babilen>One example. ^^^ It is a 2s job to search for it :)
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04:49<nevyn>AgentC: and as to your recieved signal umm xawtv should be able to do it.
04:49<babilen>AgentC: You might also want to explore debtags. That would allow queries like "debtags search field::astronomy use::searching"
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04:50<atsankov>where can I find debian-507-i386-businesscard.iso
04:50<atsankov>or debian-508-i386-businesscard.iso
04:51<gsimmons>dpkg: tell atsankov -about install lenny
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04:52<atsankov>gsimmons: thanks
04:52<babilen>atsankov: You are aware that squeeze has been released and is the recommended release for new installations?
04:52<atsankov>babilen: yes, I am
04:53<babilen>great
04:53<babilen>Have fun then :)
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05:00<AgentC>nevyn: ill try
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05:11<costas>!nvidia
05:11<dpkg>Install either <nouveau> (no 3D support) or the appropriate proprietary driver package for your card. For GeForce 6xxx through to some GeForce 400 series, ask me about <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>; for older series, ask about <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. For oldstable, see <nvidia lenny>. nvidia.com packages are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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05:12<costas>!ati
05:12<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net).
05:12<costas>!fglrx
05:12<dpkg>fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>, <fglrx pre-built> or see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . #ati on irc.freenode.net.
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05:12<costas>!radeonhd
05:12<dpkg>radeonhd is the alternative open source display driver for Radeon R5xx, R6xx and R7xx chipsets. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. radeonhd does not support <KMS> (Debian bug #575226). http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeonhd #radeonhd on irc.freenode.net. See also <radeon>, <radeon vs radeonhd>, <fglrx>.
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05:13<babilen>!tell costas -about selftell
05:13<costas>sorry babilen
05:13<pingping777>hallo, good morning
05:13<babilen>pingping777: moin
05:13<pingping777>can someone paste the out put of locale
05:14<pingping777>i have to check my setting
05:14<babilen>pingping777: People have different locale settings. What do you want to check?
05:15<danilo>is it normal that when I export to xhtml with OOorg 3.2.1 it crashes?
05:15<pingping777>LC_ALL variable is empty, is this correct ?
05:15<danilo>(I'm on squeeze)
05:15<costas>pingping777, give me the command you're trying and I'll tell you my settings (
05:15<pingping777>locale
05:16<babilen>pingping777: http://paste.debian.net/108163/ (no idea if this helps you, but there you are)
05:16<costas>LANG=en_US.UTF-8
05:16<costas>LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8"
05:16<costas>LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8"
05:16<costas>LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8"
05:16<costas>LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8"
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05:16<babilen>pingping777: And yes, that is nothing to worry about
05:16<pingping777>thx, helped :)
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05:18<costas>pingping777, ok?
05:18<babilen>costas: yeah
05:18<costas>!beer babilen
05:18*dpkg pulls out a tasty Dogfishhead 90min IPA for babilen
05:19<pingping777>yep
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05:20<pingping777>now i have to check my db
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05:24<OCKURA>hi
05:24<OCKURA>Myon))
05:24<OCKURA>help
05:24<OCKURA>:D
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05:44<jifix>can anyone help me with weechat?
05:45<jifix>i use the squeeze package
05:45<jifix>it is a easy question
05:46<sznitzeln>jifix, dont ask to ask, just ask :)
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05:46<jifix>thx
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05:46<sznitzeln>(i cant answer, but i think thats a general "rule" of most help channels)
05:46<jifix>how to change server on the main windows
05:46<jifix>?
05:47<jifix>i forget the key shortcut
05:47<jifix>do you remember the help channel of weechat?
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05:49<sznitzeln>have you looked at this? http://www.weechat.org/files/doc/stable/weechat_user.en.html#key_bindings
05:49<mekt>In Aptitude, Can a user alter which columns are displayed to show the short description?
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05:52<jifix>yes i haven't find it
05:54<sznitzeln>isnt it possible to edit hotkeys so you can set it to what you want?
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05:56<sznitzeln>Can anyone here either recommend or advice against running Sid? (i'm running squeeze)
05:56<sznitzeln>I mean how unstable is Sid?
05:56<babilen>jifix: ctrl-x is a wild guess. but you might want to try #weechat on irc.freenode.net. Friendly and helpful channel :)
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05:56<sznitzeln>hi babilen, how are you today? ;)
05:56<phper>Hello
05:56<mekt>sznitzeln: Do you feel lucky?
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05:57<sznitzeln>mekt, no... because i bought a graphics card which only has support if i run sid :/
05:57<sznitzeln>or maybe another linux distribution... :/
05:57<phper>i installed xfce and i cant access my hardware partitions
05:57<sznitzeln>or maybe i can wait for wheezy to update fglrx...
05:57<babilen>sznitzeln: http://rhonda.deb.at/blog/2010/12/20#5-reasons-why-unstable-is-not-for-everyone + http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/12/20/5-reasons-why-debian-unstable-does-not-deserve-its-name/
05:57<phper>help!
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05:57<sznitzeln>babilen, thx
05:57<mekt>;-) I recommend Sid until testing becomes more stable.
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05:58<babilen>I recommend Squeeze until you know what you are doing
05:58<sznitzeln>is it possible to switch from unstable to testing or stable or do i have to back up my entire system?
05:58<sznitzeln>babilen, ok, i'll bear that in mind
05:58<phper>hello!
05:58<Lethalman>sznitzeln, you can, downgrade step by step your packages
05:59<babilen>Lethalman: That is a very broad generalisation. Downgrades are *not* supported, but might sometime work.
05:59<mekt>sznitzeln: I have often had difficulty going backwards. I usually end up re-installing.
05:59<sznitzeln>ok, i think i'll make an image of my entire system then, although i dont know yet how to do that safely
05:59<sznitzeln>:P
06:00<rpetre>sznitzeln: why don't you install just what you need from sid and have your system "mostly squeeze"?
06:00<sznitzeln>btw is it enough to make an .iso of my / partition?
06:00<Lethalman>babilen, maybe apt-get not, aptitude supports it pretty well
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06:00<Lethalman>also with pinning and apt-get probably
06:00<sznitzeln>rpetre, hm could work.... what i need is fglrx, but cant that be dangerous for the graphics card or something?
06:00<babilen>rpetre: Mixing stable+sid is also not a very good idea. It might work out now, so short after the release but will break your system as soon as, for example, a new libc6 version is installed.
06:01<rpetre>babilen: yeah well, it seems better than running a full blown sid
06:01<mekt>using pinning and aptitude has sometimes been insufficient for me to downgrade package versions without error
06:02<sznitzeln>from what you're all saying, i dont think downgrading is anything for a noob like me
06:02<babilen>Lethalman: That is wrong. Think of configuration files, actual data of the packages (think postgresql for example) and a lot more. Downgrading is *not* supported, but might work for some packages.
06:02<babilen>rpetre: Not sure. /me loves me some sid.
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06:03<rpetre>babilen: if you follow the lists and bugs and general debian development closely, yeah
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06:03<sid>stable
06:04<sid>stable+sid is not good; i use gentoo and there are many lib depentencys e.g. for python;libc(see babilen)
06:04<Lethalman>rpetre, not needed to run sid, what is needed is to be able to solve yet unknown bugs
06:04<babilen>rpetre: I do
06:04<costas>sznitzeln, I always recommend stable linuxes, make a habbit of backing up the entire home folder and you'll be fine
06:04<Lethalman>rpetre, or at least recover
06:04<sznitzeln>costas, why only /home and not / ?
06:04<sid>thats funny; every "sid" is highlighted
06:04<Lethalman>sid, lol
06:04<babilen>Lethalman: It also helps to know about ongoing transitions and general developments. Knowledge is never a bad thing.
06:05<Lethalman>babilen, sure, but it's not needed :)
06:05<jifix>babilen: i find it
06:05<rpetre>Lethalman: and be prepared to do it pretty often for various bits of your system
06:05<costas>you can easily clean install a debian new version and adapt your home backups...
06:05<Lethalman>rpetre, it depends on how often you do an upgrade
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06:05<sid>... oh; thought it was maemo channel; use on *some machines* gentoo
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06:06<babilen>sid: don't worry. we welcome gentoo users in here as long as they stay on-topic and give sound advice. :)
06:06<costas>debian is a free autonomous OS, I never backup the entire / ... no need, I just upload my stuff to several free servers nowadays...
06:07<costas>you can only break a debian system only if you try hard...
06:08<Lethalman>(sid, fyi I switched from gentoo to debian :P)
06:08<costas>!beer costas
06:08*dpkg pours a pint of Piraat for costas
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06:09<sid>tar -cjf /mnt/backup/fiedel`date '+%y%m%d'`.tar /* --exclude /mnt --exlude /proc --exclude /sys
06:09<sid>once a week do all i need
06:09<jifix>costas: why anonymous
06:09<jifix>costas: ?
06:09<sid>cron on local machine to get it via ftp
06:09<costas>what do you mean anonymous jifix ?
06:10<jifix>costas: debian is an anonymous os
06:10<costas>I said autonomous...
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06:10<sznitzeln>but if i dont backup root dir, won't all packages i installed get lost?
06:10<costas>means self sufficient
06:10<sid>Lethalman: at my desktop i still use it; after some time it was to much work for me
06:10<jifix>costas: sorry my mistake
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06:10<Lethalman>sid, eheh yes
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06:11<costas>sznitzeln, nothing gets lost in debian... just document your changes and repeat it with every major update...
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06:12<costas>for example if you dpkg-reconfigure a package, or edit a conf file, you should keep a journal...
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06:12<jifix>costas: i am liking for a free ftp for a short backup
06:12<sznitzeln>Costas, this sounds problematic to me... my /home is huge so its not so easy to backup... if i have to use a backup image to restore my system then i absolutely dont want to erase /home
06:12<costas>nowadays most newbies don't even bother to fix their kernel -this DOES help you stay updated though
06:13<jifix>costas: looking
06:13<sznitzeln>costas, i am already keeping a log
06:13<sid>lethalman, but it doesnt matter what OS; dovecot/apache/gnome/.... is still same, just version difference
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06:14<jifix>does anoyone know a free ftp server in order to to take a backup?
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06:14<sznitzeln>jifix, you just asked that didnt you?
06:14<costas>google it and choose wisely jifix
06:15<sznitzeln>i would google "free file storage"
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06:15<jifix>i have google it i just ask a suggestion
06:15<costas>I use freehostia for my sites and little stuff..
06:15<costas>www.freehostia.com
06:15<jifix>thx costas
06:16<costas>but there are alternatives for big amounts of memory...
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06:16<jifix>i want a stable an reliable one
06:17<costas>let me check for huge files what I'm using (I'm old and keep burying my secrets)
06:17<costas>keepass is an amazing piece of software for dual boots windows/linux btw
06:18<jifix>keepass is for keeeping password. i am using it on debian xkeepass
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06:21<nicolas>Hi. Aptitude seems to have changed its behaviour in sid a few days ago. Now when I upgrade a package marked as auto it reverts to manual. Is there a way to revert to the old behaviour ?
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06:21<costas>check this out: http://www.usaupload.net/ haven't checked it yet
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06:24<babilen>nicolas: You mean packages marked as automatically installed are marked manually installed after you do "aptitude {safe,full}-upgrade" ?
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06:25<costas>I'm busy kickin trial madness 2 on facebook, l8rz all
06:25<costas>!beer babilen
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06:25<babilen>*shrug*
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06:27<Scatto>0laa
06:27<Scatto>esto qe es?
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06:27<babilen>!es
06:27<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
06:28*babilen can't believe he finally fell for that
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06:31<nicolas>babilen: I use the GUI, but I have to go, i'll come back later. Thank you
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06:56<hpvincent>hi all, is gcc GO included in debian squeezy ?
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07:01<Beefcake>hi everyone, I'm having a rather annoying problem with mdadm
07:01<lapfrog>hi guys i have a question. for maximum compatibility (with windows), how should I format an usb memory stick? Should i make partitions or just use it directly (/dev/sdb1 or /dev/sdb?). should i use mkfs.vfat or what?
07:02<Beefcake>it manages to fail the initial build every time on a raid 5 set
07:02<Beefcake>consisting of 2TB WD2EARS drives
07:03<Beefcake>I have 5 of them, but even trying to build one with all different combinations of only 3 drives fails
07:03<Beefcake>wd20ears drives*
07:03<MeglaW>lapfrog: /dev/sdb is the device, /dev/sdbX is partitions on that device
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07:04<lapfrog>MeglaW: yes, i know that. But i can run mkfs on /dev/sdb as well as /dev/sdb1 and i want to know which is more compatible
07:04<Beefcake>they're advanced format drives with 4k sectors instead of 512
07:04<Beefcake>so I partitioned em to correctly allign
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07:05<Beefcake>but still
07:05<Beefcake>when I check the logs
07:05<bzed>Beefcake: with which error does it fail?
07:05<Beefcake>just a sec
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07:05<MeglaW>lapfrog: no, nothing to make a fs on sdb, only on sdbX
07:05<bzed>Beefcake: and stop pressing enter after three words, thats annoying
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07:05<Beefcake>i'll put my log on pastebin
07:05<bzed>!tell Beefcake about enter
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07:08<meb>hello
07:08<Beefcake>Well, it says read error not recoverable. But it's not always the same drive. Depending on the order in which I create the array, it's the first drive that gives the read error.
07:09<mercutio22>have a little problem with the external USB disk I use to download torrents. It keeps getting disconnected. I can mount it as root but nautilus wont automount it on its own if I replug it.
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07:10<Beefcake>I thought it might have been a problem with my add-in sata interface card. But removing it and building a raid 5 array with the remaining drives didn't work either.
07:10<mercutio22>The problem of mounting it as root is that when it gets disconnected, transmission keeps writing to the folder /media/mountpoint in spite of nothing being mounted there
07:10<bzed>Beefcake: I had such an issue with my seagate disks due to firmware issues on the disks
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07:12<Beefcake>That was one of the first things I looked at. Apparently there is no new firmware. But I've noticed alot of people with these drives that have no problem at all building an array.
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07:13<jet>hi all
07:13<Beefcake>There are different firmware versions of the wd20ears, but those are physically different drives.
07:14<bzed>Beefcake: probably just format them with a filesystem and do some write/read tests
07:14<bzed>to see if they work probably without a raid on them
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07:16<Beefcake>I'm using one of them already as temporary file storage, but I guess I'll stress test the others. I also ran the long S.M.A.R.T. tests on all of them twice, but only one of them came up with read errors. So I left that one out of the array.
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07:17<Beefcake>I guess i'll have to return that one anyway. Should be covered by warrantee.
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07:25<huamz>helloo there
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07:35<madadam1>Hi! I should install debian on an old pc and I have no possibilities to access cd-rom or usb boot. I have an ide-usb adapte, so I could connect the hd of the old pc to my laptop. Is it possible to create a partition on it and make it avalilable for installation?
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07:36<sid-sid>take a look at debootstrap
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07:38<babilen>madadam1: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en
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07:38<madadam1>thank you
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07:40<babilen>If you have a NIC can supports PXE boots you could do that. It would, however, require you to setup a tftp and dhcp server. But if you have those in place already it is a pretty easy and elegant solution.
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07:44<michael>大家好
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07:46<tittn>hellp
07:46<tittn>o
07:46<tittn>:)
07:46<tittn>is there somebody here that can give me a little bit of help
07:46<@Myon>!ask
07:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
07:47<tittn>im trying to install the latest version of mumble on debian but i always get the old version but i need to add the unstable repositories
07:47<tittn>but i dunno how :(
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07:47<MeglaW>edit /etc/apt/sources.list
07:48<tittn>yes but what do i type or add there ?
07:48<MeglaW>copy your soruces and change stable to unstable
07:48<MeglaW>;)
07:48<tittn>ow
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07:48<tittn>:D
07:48<themill>err... please don't do that
07:48<MeglaW>mostly works. :)
07:48<MeglaW>themill: why not
07:48<tittn>uhm?
07:48<themill>tittn: running unstable is rarely the right answer
07:48<themill>MeglaW: are you promising to be around 24/7 to help tittn when sid breaks?
07:48<tittn>dont even have stable its just main
07:49<tittn>tru :)
07:49<themill>MeglaW: please do *not* encourage a user who clearly has no idea about how debian packages and repositories work to run unstable.
07:49<tittn>meglaw need a 0900 number xD
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07:49<themill>tittn: what version of mumble do you have and precisely which version are you looking for?
07:50<tittn>1.1
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07:50<tittn>but i need the latest
07:50<MeglaW>tittn: why not, i like unstable. :)
07:50<tittn>guess its 2.2
07:50<themill>MeglaW: stop that, please
07:50<tittn>wel its for my gameserver dont want it crashing all the time
07:50<themill>right, so the last thing you want to do is run unstable on it
07:51<tittn>idd
07:51<taffit>tittn: mumble 1.2.2 is in Squeeze (the current stable)
07:51<babilen>indeed
07:51<themill>tittn: squeeze has just been released so you can consider upgrading to that, which has a newer mumble. "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" and read the release notes about how to upgrade.
07:51<tittn>yes but when i connect with windows client i get message reverting back to oldmumble v 1.1
07:52<babilen>tittn: Which version of Debian do you use right now? A 1.2 mumble server was used for live coverage of the release process. It worked pretty well.
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07:52<tittn>im using lenny but it has custom kernel
07:52<tittn>some friend of mine did that
07:52<babilen>tittn: So you can't use 1.2.2 because it is incompatible with the windows clients?
07:52<tittn>so if i be upgrading dunno how i would do that again
07:53<tittn>i can but it looks not so fancy xD
07:53<tittn>probably has less features also
07:53<babilen>tittn: I would encourage you to upgrade to squeeze regardless of mumble though. Following the release notes is essential for that :)
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07:54<tittn>so squeeze is like newer then lenny ?
07:54<babilen>tittn: Not as fancy as 1.2.3 in sid?
07:54<tittn>how do i see wich version it has now
07:54<babilen>tittn: Exactly. It is the release after lenny
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07:54<babilen>tittn: "apt-cache policy mumble" should tell you
07:54<tittn>cos have no clue what version of mumble server i have installed now
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07:55<tittn>Candidate: 1.1.4-4+lenny2
07:56<babilen>tittn: Or "aptitude show mumble" or "dpkg -l mumble" or "mumble -v" ;)
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07:56<tittn>ah yes was trying mumble -ver xD
07:57<tittn>so if i apt-get install distro-upgrade or something i should get newer version ?
07:57<babilen>tittn: Well, I would recommend to upgrade to squeeze. Ah, "mumble -v" does not work as expected and would have been "mumble -V" or "mumble --version" anyway (-v is typically "verbose")
07:57<themill>tittn: you should read the upgrading section in the release notes
07:57<babilen>!release notes
07:57<dpkg>Release Notes for Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) are at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <i-g>, <firmware images>, <install squeeze>, <errata>, <lenny->squeeze>.
07:57<madadam1>does debian support ext4?
07:57<babilen>tittn: Read "What's new in Squeeze" and Chapter 4 -- Just follow along and ask if you have questions.
07:58<tittn>!ask install squeeze
07:58<tittn>^^
07:58<tittn>so thats stable now ?
07:58<tittn>think i have still ext2 oO
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07:59<babilen>yes, squeeze is stable now.
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07:59<tittn>ok thx will read up on that
08:00<tittn>but for now is there no other way to add the latest version of mumble tomy current server setup cos would have to contact my friend to get it back to 1000hz
08:01<babilen>get what back to 1000hz?
08:01<tittn>my kernel to run my gameservers at 990 fps
08:02<tittn>i find the game (css) runs smoother on higher server side fps
08:03<babilen>most -rt patches are integrated AFAIK -- but yes, you might want to recompile your kernel
08:03<babilen>shouldn't be much of a problem though
08:04<tittn>intigrated like installable tru aptitude ?
08:05<ompaul>990fps is supposed to be too fast and cause issues from what I read ymmv
08:06<ompaul>lovely I have contradictions when I go to read for high numbers
08:06<babilen>tittn: integrated into the mainline kernel
08:06<tittn>ymmv?
08:06<ompaul>(I wonder if it is platform issue {most likely})
08:06<ompaul>your mileage may vary
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08:08<tittn>ow :p
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08:08<tittn>guess im not gonna do distro upgrade but just backup my gameserver and start fresh
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08:09<babilen>tittn: why?
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08:13<tittn>seems more easy and there is nothing else to backup on my server and also its still on ext2
08:13<tittn>exept my source servers
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08:40<mys>I installed 2 distributions on the same hardrive(in practice , I have also windows and others linux distributions), then I chrooted from linux distribution to another to administer it (ex updates packages and so), I wanted to start a gui app from one distribution to the other on the same X display ( it worked with Xephyr and so). If anyone have an easy way to see my gui apps(from distri A) tothe other distribution(B) , I am all open to
08:40<mys> suggestions.
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08:40<klh>Hey, I see that Debian recommends apt-get with squeeze, it was aptitude with Lenny. Will Debian change this at each release... ?
08:41<mys> I commented out in kdm #ServerArgsLocal=-br -nolisten tcp.Both distro have networking enabled, I did (sudo mount /dev/sdaX /mnt,sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev,sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc,sudo mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys,sudo chroot /mnt), Cli apps as apt-get work ok on the chroot and with Xephyr the gui app is displayed but I would like to make it run as native.
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08:41<ompaul>klh: vis that upgrading file a bug for your preferred, participate
08:41<ml|_>klh: I think that is mainly when lenny->squeeze only, in the release notes
08:42*klh will put a variable in his tuto for the package installer ^^
08:42<klh>hummm, ok
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08:42<bartm>mys, so you want to start an X application from within a chroot ? Is that it ?
08:44<mys>yep .It worked on Xephyr but I would like it show on my normal X display.# export DISPLAY=localhost/tcp:0
08:44<mys>root@mys:/# echo $DISPLAY
08:44<mys>localhost/tcp:0
08:44<mys>root@mys:/# minitube
08:44<mys>minitube: cannot connect to X server localhost/tcp:0
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08:44<bartm>mys, try this : xhost +si:localuser:username
08:45<ompaul>mys: ssh -X user@othermachine SomeApplication
08:45<mys>bartm, that'on the host or on the chroot?
08:45<bartm>mys, on the host
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08:46<bartm>mys, and with "username" replaced by the real username obviously :)
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08:50<mys>ompaul,but then I have to install and launch a ssh server , and to configure and securize it seems a bit complex to only do a local thing .Btw if you know a good way (ie a gui app or simple cli) to graphically view the gui and manage others installations(on the same computer on on anothercomputer.It would be great thanks all for your advices, I had read the manual and asked others several irc and I always stuck on this , hope to get a solution
08:50<mys> lol.
08:50<mys>xhost +si:localuser:username
08:50<mys>xhost: unable to open display "localhost:10.0"
08:51<mys>sssorry lol
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08:51<ompaul>!lol
08:51<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
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08:53<mys>xhost +si:mys:mys
08:53<mys>xhost: unable to open display "localhost:10.0" .dpkg, sorry I'm not a frequent user of sms and irc network.
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08:54<bartm>mys, try this : xhost +si:localuser:mys
08:55<@Myon>xhost? I thought this had died since the invention of ssh
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08:56<ompaul>Myon: across networks certainly
08:56<Myon>mys: try bind-mounting /tmp in the chroot (for /tmp/.X11-unix/)
08:57<Myon>and make sure your .Xauthority file is there ($HOME or /tmp/something)
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08:58<Myon>iirc X stopped listening on TCP years ago by default
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09:15<mys>I'm already on a running session of X on my host , http://pastebin.com/bQWbERf5, Thank you for your help , i'm willing to follow instructions and any solution for the pb I submitted to ompaul.
09:16<ompaul>mys: I know the guy who is behind pixelbeat
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09:17<ompaul>mys: not finding stuff on debian.org is surprising
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09:17<WritMx>hi
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09:21<madadam1>Hi, I'm following this wiki http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en. At the point D3.4 the command "LANG=C chroot /mnt/debinst /bin/bash" give me the following error "chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory". I can't understand the why
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09:24<mys>ompaul, I know the rule of RTFM but I did look for infos and generally chroot is used as JAIL to secure processes , while I wanted to use it to manage another distribution, what's funny it works with Xephyr and it's a pain to setup on my X.As I asked before to reset the echos I made I just have to kill X on my host ?
09:25<ompaul>mys: no, it was not RTFM, it was you mentioned mandriva and this is debian and debian is so much more documented ime
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09:30<gohan4748>#fun
09:30<ompaul>mys: so the thing is that echo is a command that publishes settings so your question is kind of not making sense, if you are wondering about resetting your export you don't have to export Using `+' instead of `-' turns off the attribute instead
09:31<mys>hah,I'm on an ubuntu system now, I'm planning to install arch or gentoo one of those day.I was just chatting on another distro chat to find a solution , for me linux is a big family with different preinstalled packages.
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09:32<ompaul>mys: so for ubuntu uyou want to talk on irc.freenode.net and join #ubuntu cos it ain't debian no matter what people think
09:32<mys>By the way also planning of installing a aptosid(or whatever they like to call themselves).
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09:32<cahoot>why tell us?
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09:33<madadam1>Anyone can help me with chroot?
09:33<bartm>madadam1, no need to ask for help, just ask the real question
09:33<madadam1>bartm, I'm following this wiki http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en. At the point D3.4 the command "LANG=C chroot /mnt/debinst /bin/bash" give me the following error "chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory". I can't understand the why
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09:34<Ham>Hi, the new subversion in squeeze has better support for encrypted auth (great!) but insists on using gnome-keyring or kwallet. which is a major PITA when I check something in on the command line over a remote ssh connection and the GUI tool wants me to run through a wizard which I have no interest in using. Short of abandoning 'ssh ForwardX11', how can I shut that trying-to-be-helpful feature off? tx
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09:35<abrotman>did you look in /usr/share/doc/svn/ or whatever it is to see if there's some docs about it?
09:36<Ham>yes, first place I looked. zgrep shows the changelog entry where it was enabled, but nothing in README.Debian etc.
09:36<mys>ompaul please don't do ostracism , ubuntu is totally based on debian and have to thank the debian developers for the great work they do .Ubuntu was just the first distribution I installed when coming from windows .By the way the problem is not linked to the distribution but to getting the commands that will work to get my chroot gui application on my host X system.
09:37<Ham>also ~/.subversion/config has some bits about it, but no way to disable it.
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09:38<ompaul>mys: don't do assumption
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09:38<mys>I did try on the ubuntu chat but it had way to many users(1500) to be useful as chatters cannot answer all question as fast as they come.
09:39<sahko>whats the proper way to request a package to be updated to a newer version? a wishlist entry on BTS?
09:39<Ham>(I thought I already set store-passwords=no in ~/.subversion/config, but maybe I missed that and only set store-plaintext-passwords=no?)
09:40<Ham>sahko: yes
09:40<sahko>ok, thanks
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09:42<Ham>madadam1: if it helps: https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/ticket/1272
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09:54<madadam1>Ham, ok I solved. The problem was that I hadn't written in the right way the previous command
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09:57<mys>ompaul, btw I used the mandriva doc because it was very complete on the chroot thing I'm in no way denigrating the usefullness of the debian doc(it's just on this particular subject it was more complete).
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10:10<felipe_abella>how can i send a X event to simulate a key press? (From a script)
10:14<SynrG>xautomation
10:14<SynrG>you use xte for that
10:14<madadam1>Which kernel should I install for an old amd k6 500 mhz? Which architecture? 486 or 686?
10:15<SynrG>felipe_abella: for a more comprehensive solution, see autokey
10:15<felipe_abella>SynrG: thanks, exactly what i need!
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10:30<cd>Hi guys! Can someone indicate me how could I find my ISP default gateway since I'm using one for the moment that just worked (picked up by myself from the IP net pool of my external IP) but ocasionally someone power it off. Guess they should have one default gateway avaible all the time...
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10:32<cd>guys, isn't there any smart hacker that can help me?
10:32<SynrG>your ISP should provide that info with DHCP
10:33<bartm>cd, grep router /var/lib/dhcp/*
10:33<SynrG>if they don't, the appropriate place to ask that question is a support call to your ISP
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10:35<Habstinat>Does anyone have a pastie of a typical /etc/apt/sources.list file? Mine is definitely not normal.
10:35<bartm>Habstinat, could you pastebin your sources.list ?
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10:37<streuner_>dpkg, sources.list
10:37<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
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10:39<Habstinat>bartm: "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" "deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" "deb ://volatile.debian.org squeeze-updates main" "deb-src ://volatile.debian.org squeeze-updates main"
10:40<bartm>Habstinat, remove lines with volatile
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10:40<SynrG>that's a known bug. will be fixed in 6.0.1
10:40<SynrG>correct lines for volatile should look like:
10:40<themill>Habstinat: you also need to add a main mirror to your sources.list.
10:40<themill>dpkg: tell Habstinat about make squeeze sources.list
10:41<SynrG>deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian squeeze-updates main
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10:43<Habstinat>SynrG: Thanks. Should I add deb-src http://cdn.debian.net/debian squeeze-updates main as well?
10:43<bartm>Habstinat, if you want to download source code packages
10:44<SynrG>or otherwise have access to info about sources
10:44<SynrG>(e.g. apt-cache showsrc packagename)
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10:44<d-b>SynrG: sorry what bug will be fixed in 6.0.1 ?
10:45<bartm>d-b, about volatile & squeeze
10:45<SynrG>d-i screwing up the volatile url
10:45<d-b>bartm: ah!
10:45<d-b>ok.
10:46<Gurka_>when will 6.0.1 be out?
10:47<SynrG>when it's ready? :)
10:48<Gurka_>1 month, 2, 3? what is the release rate more or less?
10:48<SynrG>timeline.debian.net if you think historical data has any relevance to predicting releases.
10:48<themill>!6.0.1
10:48<dpkg>The first <point release> for Debian Squeeze (6.0.1) is scheduled for early March 2011. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/02/msg00003.html
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10:49<SynrG>themill: ah, how stupid of me. i got that message ...
10:49<Gurka_>aha
10:49<themill>SynrG: that's why we teach these things to our collective memory, dpkg ;)
10:50<Gurka_>!6.0.2
10:50<dpkg>6
10:50<SynrG>:)
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10:50<sney>of course, if you install using netinst, the problem has already been fixed
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10:51<SynrG>6?
10:51<SynrG>!3+3
10:51<dpkg>6
10:52<SynrG>ah, it knows math
10:52<coreid>hola, doesn anyone know why iceweasel crashes on visiting translate.google.com
10:52<Gurka_>!7.0.0
10:52<dpkg>7
10:52<coreid>happens everytime!
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10:52<SynrG>coreid: try it without any plugins, etc.
10:53<themill>sney: I don't believe that the bug has been fixed at all, netinst or otherwise
10:53<SynrG>coreid: iceweasel -safe-mode
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10:53<sney>themill: my volatile-free netinst install from yesterday suggests otherwise
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10:53<themill>sney: the bug is only seen if you do the installation without a working network connection
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10:54<bartm>coreid, doesn't crash here
10:54<sney>ahh
10:54<SynrG>sney: yes, please try a netinst without a working network connection ;)
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10:54<sney>well I did that first! but I didn't get very far. dang firmware requirement
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10:54<SynrG>(that actually should be possible, as netinst images contain a very small base system)
10:55<ompaul>bartm: does here - with no plugins but I'm on sid
10:55<coreid>SynrG: works after I reset all settings only
10:55<bartm>ompaul, here squeeze
10:55<SynrG>coreid: what do you mean by "reset all settings"?
10:55<SynrG>coreid: does -safe-mode not help?
10:56<coreid>I started in -safe-mode and then it prompts to reset all settings (like bookmarks, etc.) to initial defaults, then only it works
10:57<SynrG>ahh
10:57<coreid>only doing -safe-mode didn't help first
10:57<SynrG>well, there are some checkboxes ...
10:57<SynrG>i meant you should also check the one to disable add-ons
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10:58<SynrG>i should think that alone would solve it
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11:00<ompaul>SynrG: not here I have http://paste.debian.net/108191/ (yuck)
11:00<ompaul>off to the land of debug I go
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11:00<coreid>SynrG: I ran it in a profile with no-addons, so the issue may be elsewhere testing it now
11:01<SynrG>hmm
11:01<SynrG>ompaul: oh? it's reproducible?
11:01<ompaul>so it seems
11:01<SynrG>interesting
11:01<SynrG>any bug about this?
11:01<ompaul>,version iceweasel
11:01<ompaul>bah can someone do that for me please
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11:02<ompaul>SynrG: this box does not even have a debugger on it back in a bit
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11:02<SynrG>bugs.d.o is taking forever to get back to me on iceweasel bugs :p
11:02<coreid>ompaul: get the same crash here
11:02<sney>,versions iceweasel
11:02<judd>Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-4~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.16-4; squeeze: 3.5.16-4; wheezy: 3.5.16-4; experimental: 3.6.13-2
11:02<ompaul>thanks
11:03<ompaul>ok it's the same version
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11:05<ompaul>coreid: kde, gnome or something else?
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11:06<coreid>ompaul: gnome with awesome_wm
11:06<ompaul>coreid: not there then - this is kde
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11:09<SynrG>coreid, ompaul: it superficially resembles (firefox-bin:4860): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead
11:09<SynrG>argh, wrong paste buffer
11:09<SynrG>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=592568
11:10<SynrG>which was reassigned to libgtk2.0-0 before it was closed
11:10<ompaul>SynrG: you were not telling any jokes about response time
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11:10<SynrG>ompaul: yeah :/
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11:13<SynrG>ah, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=550352 is still open
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11:14<SynrG>ompaul, coreid: ^^
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11:14<marnanel>Is there an official channel to talk about fonts in Debian?
11:14*marnanel found something about #debian-fonts but I didn't know whether it was still a live thing
11:15<SynrG>none that i know of
11:15<ompaul>marnanel: can you tell us what you you mean by talk about fonts we may be able to say something or then again not
11:15<marnanel>ompaul: okay, there are some free fonts I would like which aren't packaged, and I could install them myself, or I could think about packaging them; and before I rush off to ITP them I would like to talk to people who know about such things and get their advice
11:16<marnanel>SynrG: thanks anyway
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11:16<YuGiOhJCJ>hello, the last version of libxslt is 1.1.22, and the last version for DEBIAN is libxslt1.1 (1.1.24-2). How they do that?
11:16<ompaul>marnanel: stick your head into #debian-mentors
11:17<marnanel>ompaul: will do. thanks
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11:18<SynrG>marnanel: there *is* a fonts team ...
11:18<SynrG>marnanel: they have an alioth project
11:18<Backdoor>hello
11:18<SynrG>i just don't think they have any irc presence.
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11:19<marnanel>SynrG: I found that, I just wondered whether they had an IRC channel so I could talk to them. Maybe I should just have emailed them instead
11:19<marnanel>SynrG: right
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11:21<SynrG>marnanel: yup, email them. and #debian-mentors is a good suggestion too
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11:21<ompaul>SynrG: -safe-mode --sync got the same error message but it didn't die
11:21<themill>YuGiOhJCJ: xmlsoft.org has 1.1.26 which is the same as the package in the current stable release of debian
11:21<SynrG>ompaul: there were some mixed reports about that in the upstream bug
11:21<SynrG>but maybe the other ones were flash-related
11:22<ompaul>aye
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11:22<SynrG>(google isn't using flsah here, are they?)
11:22<coreid>SynrG and ompaul: this is a bit weird, I have several profiles, even in profiles with no extensions, I have to click "reset extensions" for it to work
11:22<SynrG>it's all javascripty-stuff, looks like
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11:24<SynrG>ohh ... the sound player is .swf
11:24<SynrG>(but maybe just a fallback?)
11:24<YuGiOhJCJ>themill, ok tank you this is because I get it on the GNOME ftp and the last on the GNOME ftp is not the same than on the XMLSOFT ftp
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11:25<themill>YuGiOhJCJ: the debian package lists xmlsoft.org as being the upstream homepage.
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11:26<SynrG>strange. i'm looking at this in chromium. why wouldn't they use HTML5 here?
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11:26<chose>bonjour :)
11:26<chose>'ya des français ?
11:26<ompaul>!fr
11:26<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
11:26<YuGiOhJCJ>themill, that's true but on the xmlsoft.org web site, there is a link to the GNOME ftp, this is why I download on the GNOME ftp, sorry for the mistake ;-)
11:26<YuGiOhJCJ>chose, oui ;-)
11:26<themill>YuGiOhJCJ: ahh... fair enough.
11:27<chose>désolé je suis pas sur le bon chan (je sais) mais comment je peux obtenir une liste plus large?
11:27<chose>j'ai l'impression d'avoir que des trucs d'aide
11:27<chose>(première fois que je viens sur irc)
11:28<YuGiOhJCJ>chose, tappe ça : /join #debian-fr
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11:28<chose>okay, vais aller voir :)
11:29<ompaul>SynrG: I'd go with that - it is a very ajaxy web site
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11:31<SynrG>ompaul: i use flashblock, btw. maybe why i'm immune to it
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11:32<ompaul>SynrG: that might be of some use - I'll test it again if I see anyone else saying problems exist and do more on it
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11:33<ddi>hi there all
11:33<enthdegree>hello
11:33<ddi>just installed debian squeeze
11:33<enthdegree>there doesn't seem to be anyone in #emdebian
11:33<ddi>wanted some help configuring a simple option of cups
11:34<ompaul>ddi: such as
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11:34<ompaul>YuGiOhJCJ: please don't do that in a busy channel
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11:35<ddi>i need to setup the maximum pages that any user can send PER JOB. if some one by mistake sends 100 pages in a single job i want the server to reject that job can it be done
11:35<ddi>ompaul
11:35<coreid>SynrG and ompaul, thanks for the help.
11:35<ddi>ompaul: maximum pages per JOB
11:35<coreid>ciao
11:35<ompaul>ddi: I've not seen that as an option inside of cups
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11:36<ddi>ompaul: then does it mean it cannot be done. a simple application papercut in windows does it like a breeze. how to achieve it here
11:36<ompaul>ddi: then again, some jobs sent to printers are badly formatted and the job is short but the printers get confused and they throw out lots of pages
11:37<ddi>ompaul: what do you think is the solution!!!
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11:38<ompaul>did you read what I said?
11:38<ddi>i have tried to limit the job-page-limit but that only limits the jobs for that printer. not for that user
11:38<ompaul>ddi: and that page that talks about that says you can't
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11:39<ompaul>limit a user - nor can you do a page size you can only do a job size
11:39<ompaul>-o job-page-limit=100
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11:39<ompaul>ddi: interesting more info here http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/doc-1.4/accounting.html
11:40<SynrG>if you're prone to make this accident often, load the printer with less paper at a time :)
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11:40<cahoot>While there is no way to query the current quota state for a particular user, any application can request a list of jobs for a user and printer that can be used to easily determine that information.
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11:40<ompaul>SynrG: in a company with 60 using the hp printers I can't tell em I'm not letting em do big print jobs I'd be shot
11:41<SynrG>ah. then i guess you'd need to write some custom filter or some such
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11:41<ddi>ompaul: does -o job-page-limit=100 limit the jobs for each user or the printer as a whole?
11:42<ddi>cahoot: but dont you think there should be an option to limit the maximum pages per JOB
11:42<ompaul>ddi: read the link - printer as a whole you can't measure the speed of light and its mass at the same time it appears ;-)
11:42<SynrG>an extreme solution if there are no per-user limits would be to create one queue per user :)
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11:44<ddi>SynrG: how to do that one queue per USER?
11:44<Ahyuwhiye>how comes the experts at #aptosid say aptitude would suck?
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11:44<cahoot>ask them?
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11:45<SynrG>ddi: it is *not* a serious solution :/
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11:45<ompaul>Ahyuwhiye: because aptosid is not debian so there you go
11:45<SynrG>the management overhead is way too high, even if it were possible
11:45<Habstinat>Is it normal to have your screen turned off
11:45<Habstinat>Sorry didn't get to complete that last message...
11:46<Ahyuwhiye>ompaul: well say say it is debian
11:46<Ahyuwhiye>they
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11:46<valdyn>ddi: why dont you read the cups documentation?
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11:46<ompaul>Ahyuwhiye: join #aptosid and you'll get more info
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11:47<valdyn>ddi: cups can enforce a per user limit on pages per time too, which is probably saner than maximum page count per job
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11:47<ddi>ompaul: read that link. it says that cups only supports quota management per user for each printer. so in cups we cannot limit the users to send documents with lots of pages
11:47<Habstinat>Is it normal to have your monitor turned off for ~10 minutes after a successful installation after it asks you to reboot?
11:47<valdyn>ompaul: nonsense
11:47<devil>Ahyuwhiye: we dont say its debian, we say its a derivate. and due to the violent nature of unstable, aptitude sucks there.
11:48<valdyn>ompaul: sorry, wrong target
11:48<valdyn>ddi: thats nonsense
11:48<ompaul>valdyn: about ahhh
11:48<Ahyuwhiye>if it is a derivate how dare you to use the same repos?
11:48<ompaul>Ahyuwhiye: how is that suitable for this channel?
11:48<devil>Ahyuwhiye: how dare we? we are as close to debian as it gets, just that we use unstable
11:49<ddi>valdyn: -o job-page-limit=100 and -o job-quota-limit=86400 will limit the jobs for each user to 100 pages per day is that correct
11:49<valdyn>ddi: yes, seems so
11:50<ddi>valdyn: so can we limit any user from sending a document containing say 100 pages???
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11:50<ddi>valdyn: i dont see a solution to this problem. i have googled a lot searched in the cups documentation....
11:50<valdyn>ddi: i think you meant job-quota-period there
11:50<ompaul>ddi: All users
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11:50<devil>Ahyuwhiye: and we been doing this for a good 8 years now since we left knoppix
11:50<Habstinat>Hm. Seems like every time I boot, it goes through the boot sequence and then my monitor turns off.
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11:51<ddi>valdyn: yes -o job-page-limit=100 and -o job-quota-period=86400 will limit the jobs for each user to 100 pages per day is that correct
11:51<Habstinat>Can anyone help troubleshoot?
11:51<valdyn>ddi: make the job-quota-limit very very small
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11:51<valdyn>ddi: make the job-quota-period very very small
11:51<valdyn>ddi: like one second
11:52*Habstinat Test
11:52<ompaul>ddi: and when someone shouts at you because they need to print 120 pages have fun
11:52<ddi>valdyn: so you say -o job-quota-period=1 will limit users to print max 1 page per sec.
11:52<valdyn>ddi: how the hell does 100 pages per job make sense though when i can send as many jobs as the network will transfer?
11:53<ompaul>Habstinat: we see ya - but your last question .. well it asks something that is hard to parse - you might want to rephrase it
11:53<valdyn>ddi: no, that limit would allow job-page-limit pages per second
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11:54<ddi>valdyn: this has happened when somebody wanted to print 10 pages in a manual pdf file and the complete 700 pages print was sent to the print server. the printer is normally loaded with a complete rim of paper. what a waste
11:54<ompaul>ddi: and a once off that person will not do that again
11:54<valdyn>ddi: the job is to big for a 100 page quota
11:55<valdyn>ddi: jobs are likely atomic for time, that means that only one timestamp is taken per job
11:55<ddi>valdyn: that is what i want to avoid. is it possible
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11:55<Habstinat>ompaul: What information can I include to help you all? I see the boot screen, I get a bunch of text saying things are starting up, then the screen goes completely dark and I hear a low drum sound. I can't get out of this unless I reboot.
11:56<valdyn>ddi: just the the job-page-limit=100 and job-quota-period=1, and see what you get
11:56<Habstinat>ompaul: When I press any of the arrow keys I get that low drum sound as well.
11:56<ddi>ompaul:yes he was giving his due share for paying for a complete paper rim. that is why i wanted to add check to avoid this in future. but i was not able to do that
11:57<ddi>let me see i am going to try it right now
11:57<ddi>valdyn: let me see
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11:59<ddi>after setting up job-page-limit=100 and job-quota-period to=1 and restarting cups i sent a document of 105 pages to the print server and the document is in the pending documents list. and is queued. i have taken all the papers out just in case
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12:00<valdyn>ddi: better play with low values
12:00<ompaul>Habstinat: a low drum sound, what version of debian are you using?
12:00<valdyn>ddi: do you know if "pending" jobs already had the pages counted? i do not
12:01<Habstinat>ompaul: Squeeze.
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12:01<ddi>valdyn: ok now setting to lower values. i think you are right
12:01<ompaul>Habstinat: using the keys "ctrl alt F1" can you see any text on the screen
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12:02<sahko>so now i purged a package which has dependencies i know they're not used by any other, but they werent removed along with it, neither apt-get autoremove finds em. how do i remove them?
12:02<ddi>valdyn: using job-page-limit=5 and job-quota-period=1
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12:02<Habstinat>ompaul: Hard to describe the sound, maybe a low bell instead? Also Ctrl-Alt-F1 does nothing.
12:02<ompaul>Habstinat: can you try another monitor in case that one just can't handle frequencies
12:03<ddi>valdyn: after setting the values i gave a print of 8 pages and the pages have printed !%@#@#
12:03<Habstinat>ompaul: It's a laptop (Pavilion dm4), so not really.
12:03<ddi>valdyn: i was getting optimistic that maybe this would work!
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12:05<ddi>valdyn: it looked as it should logically work
12:05<ompaul>!tell Habstinat about intel-gfx
12:05<ddi>valdyn: it looked as if it should logically work
12:05<ompaul>Habstinat: you best have a look at that link from the bot
12:05<valdyn>ddi: guess that depends on where timestamps are taken
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12:06<ddi>valdyn: yeah maybe. i think the timestamps are taken from the time the last page was printed
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12:07<ddi>valdyn: i have read about Pykota also but even that does not do the job. it has other cool options but cannot does what is required. how very strange.
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12:09<atsankov>why firefox and thunderbrid cannot connect to the Internet
12:09<atsankov>on debian amd64
12:10<bartm>atsankov, firefox?
12:10<ddi>valdyn: just one clarification if you dont mind
12:10<atsankov>bartm: have you never heard of firefox?
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12:10<bartm>atsankov, it's iceweasel on squeeze
12:10<Habstinat>ompaul: Not sure if this matters, but I once had a working gNewSense installation on this computer.
12:11<rss>atsankov: firefox = iceweasel on debian. apt-get install iceweasel.
12:11<ompaul>Habstinat: won't matter, intel graphics in squeeze are referenced by the bot in that message
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12:12<atsankov>bartm,rss: how about thunderbird
12:12<ompaul>Habstinat: which version of gNS ?
12:13<ompaul>delta h or meta d?
12:13<ddi>valdyn: if i set -o job-page-limit=10 and job-quota-period=60 then does it mean that the maximum pages that will be printed in 60 seconds irrespective of users will be 10 or it means that in 60 minutes each user can print max of 10 pages
12:13<atsankov>bartm, rss: and iceweasel on debian is very old
12:13<Habstinat>ompaul: deltah. I also once had Ubuntu netbook remix on this computer.
12:13<ddi>valdyn: if i set -o job-page-limit=10 and job-quota-period=60 then does it mean that the maximum pages that will be printed in 60 seconds irrespective of users will be 10 or it means that in 60 sec each user can print max of 10 pages
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12:14<ompaul>Habstinat: that would be based on something around edgy + backports so you are dealing with a whole other way of driving intel
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12:14<rss>atsankov: which debian release are you using
12:14<ompaul>Habstinat: pre lenny anyway - so not the same animal at all
12:15<Guest1929>olá
12:15<Guest1929>Bõa tarde
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12:16<atsankov>rss: lenny amd64
12:16<ompaul>boa tarde should get !br
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12:17<rss>atsankov: maybe upgrade to squeeze is in order. in has been released and wil likely have a newer iceweasel
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12:18<Habstinat>ompaul: I can't seem to post to #intel-gfx on freenode anyways due to some room restriction.
12:18<rss>atsankov: thunderbird = icedove in debian
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12:20<sahko>isnt aptitude remove/purge supposed to remove dependencies as well? sometimes it seems to do so, others not
12:20<bartm>sahko, no
12:21<bartm>sahko, I know that apt-get does list the dependencies that may be removed
12:21<ompaul>Habstinat: you need to identify to the network on freenode it doesn't know who you are
12:21<sahko>apt-get autoremove doesnt find them
12:21<themill>aptitude will try to autoremove them
12:21<themill>sahko: that probably means they are not unused packages, then
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12:22<sahko>they are, im certain for some, almost certain for other
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12:23<themill>sahko: the output of "aptitude why packagename" will be enlightening.
12:24<sahko>hmm it is, but im wonder wtf it works that way:
12:24<sahko>aptitude why libev3
12:24<sahko>i xinit Recommends xterm | x-session-manager | x-window-manager | x-terminal-emulator
12:25<sahko>x-window-manager is purged
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12:28<sahko>fwiw the whole output of why is accompanied by these lines:
12:28<sahko>p i3-wm Provides x-window-manager
12:28<sahko>p i3-wm Depends libev3 (>= 3.0)
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12:28<sahko>but i dont have i3 installed
12:28<themill>sahko: sticking the entire output of that command and also "aptitude show libev3" in a pastebin would be handy
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12:29<ompaul>sahko: be careful pasting here you will get booted and as themill says http://paste.debian.net might be useful
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12:29<ompaul>sahko: it is a programmed response to pasting by a bot
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12:29<sahko>its not automatically installed if thats what you're implying: http://paste.debian.net/108194/
12:29<sahko>ompaul: dont worry
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12:32<sahko>hmm the aptitude log is weird, cause libev3 wasnt even pulled when i installed i3-wm
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12:33<sahko>it was installed later with awesome-wm
12:33<themill>sahko: so if it's not marked as "installed automatically" then it won't be cleaned up as part of the uninstallation procedure.
12:34<sahko>isnt that the point of not being automatically installed? being marked as a dependency, not being explicitly installed?
12:34<sahko>why does xinit depend on it?
12:34<sahko>sorry 'depend'
12:35<ompaul>Habstinat: you are not going to get a reply in there atm I think, basically you will need to get yourself a live CD and find out what your video card is before you take it any further - got a live CD around?
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12:36<themill>sahko: I can't speculate on how libev3 was installed on your machine, but it looks like it was done in a way that made it non-automatically installed. If you mark it as autoinstalled now, it will go away. You can do that with "apt-mark" or "aptitude markauto".
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12:38<sahko>hmm you're right, dependencies should be marked automatically installed, not the other way around
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12:40<sahko>http://paste.debian.net/108196/ this is how it was installed
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12:42<sahko>same for libxdg-basedir1
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12:44<sahko>it seems that all the dependencies of x-window-manager which is recommended by xinit are explicitly installed. or something like that
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12:48<sahko>now that i removed xinit aptitude why libev3 says i urlview recommends elinks|www-browser
12:48<sahko>i dont get why it was done that way at all
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12:49<themill>aptitude's speculations about dependency chains that have un-installed packages in them are irrelevant; that the package is not marked as automatically installed is the important thing here
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12:51<sahko>yes i get it, the package was installed with aptitude install awesome, and was pulled as a dependency
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12:52<kayque>oi
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12:53<themill>sahko: that should cause the package to be marked as an "auto installed" package. I can't tell you why it was not, unless something you did since caused it to unmarked as such
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12:55<lancelot_of>hi all
12:56<_Alex__>hi
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12:56<lancelot_of>how to automatically start applications in an x session with a minimalist wm (for example set a wallpaper, start xscreensaver etc..)?i tried ~/.xinitrc but it didn't work
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12:59<valdyn>lancelot_of: can be ~/.xsession
12:59<valdyn>lancelot_of: however this depends on how your X is started
12:59<valdyn>lancelot_of: and on the actual login script
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13:02<lancelot_of>valdyn, i also tried symlinking .xsession to .xinitrc but nothing changed. my wm is started from GDM
13:02<valdyn>lancelot_of: in gdm you can pick the session script
13:02<lancelot_of>sorry my X is started from GDM (and also my wm)
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13:02<valdyn>lancelot_of: if you directly pick the wm in gdm, then you cant use the scripts at ~
13:03<lancelot_of>valdyn, ah...ok...so how to?
13:03<_Alex__>sorry if i sound stupid, but what is 'wm'
13:03<valdyn>lancelot_of: so you need to select the session in gdm that just runs ~/.xsession
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13:03<lancelot_of>_Alex__, Window Manager
13:03<valdyn>_Alex__: the program that manages windows in X
13:03<_Alex__>ha
13:03<lancelot_of>and you're not seeming stupid
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13:04<valdyn>lancelot_of: i dont remember the precise name, but its probably obvious once you read the list of available sessions
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13:04<lancelot_of>valdyn, ah ok, i'm gonna try
13:04<lancelot_of>thanks a lot, anyway se you in a while
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13:08<sahko>sorry tmux started acting funny right after someone said 'oi'. anything beyond that point, didnt had the chance to see
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13:17<SynrG>13:53 < themill> sahko: that should cause the package to be marked as an "auto installed" package. I can't
13:17<SynrG> tell you why it was not, unless something you did since caused it to unmarked as such
13:17<SynrG>that's all
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13:19<sahko>thanks
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13:29<Megaf>Hi folks, I just managed to install Debian 6 amd 64 on my MacBook Pro 7,1 in dual boot with its Mac OS X.
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13:30<bartm>Megaf, nice
13:30<Megaf>When I first started it and using open source nvidia drivers, the brightness control was working fine
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13:30<Megaf>but since I installed the nvidia driver, it stoped working
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13:30<Megaf>Any idea?
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13:32<Megaf>I followed some isntructions here http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro#Debian6.28squeeze.29onMacBookPro7.2C1
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13:34<xerothermic>hi
13:34<atsankov>hmm, firefox (on debian lenny amd64) cannot resolve any server
13:34<atsankov>same with thunderbird
13:35<atsankov>do I have to install some package for these 32-bit applications to work
13:35<bartm>atsankov, why not use iceweasel?
13:35<_Alex__>Or Chromium
13:35<xerothermic>If I create a chroot environment using debootstrap, how do I copy it to USB so it will become bootable?
13:35<atsankov>bartm: iceweasel is too old for me to use
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13:36<atsankov>bartm: I need newer versions of fierfox and thunderbird
13:36<_Alex__>atsankov: Chromium is the WonderBrowser
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13:36<atsankov>_Alex__: it is not supported by some web sites :(
13:36<_Alex__>???
13:37<xerothermic>Can I create space with dd, then mkfs -t ext3 to create the file system, and mount it.
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13:37<xerothermic>Then cp -rf <chroot folder> <ext3 device>
13:37<Whatever>,versions iceweasel
13:37<judd>Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-4~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.16-4; squeeze: 3.5.16-4; wheezy: 3.5.16-4; experimental: 3.6.13-2
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13:38<_Alex__>atsankow: What do you mean 'not supported by some web sites'
13:38<Whatever>atsankov: you need a higher version than 3.6?
13:38<atsankov>Whatever: I'd like to use firefox 3.5 on Lenny
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13:39<atsankov>why upgrade the whole system just for one app?
13:39<Whatever>as you can see, it's available in the backports.
13:39<Whatever>lenny-backports: 3.5.16-4~bpo50+1
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13:39<Whatever>!backports
13:39<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>.
13:39<_Alex__>atasankov: Becaus lenny's securitty updates will soon disappear
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13:40<Whatever>_Alex__: 11 months is soon?
13:40<dEhiN>how big should a /var partition be?
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13:40<_Alex__>for me
13:40<sahko>at least deborphan finds them: http://paste.debian.net/108207/
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13:41<sunoano>I am on testing, using it's python3 version but then I'd like to use apt pinning to grab python3 from experimental
13:41<sunoano>here is what I did so far http://pastebin.com/4mPz6iuk
13:42<atsankov>well, shall I take you answers as "It is not possible to run 32-bit firefox on Lenny amd64"?
13:42<atsankov>or shall I try the backports
13:42<webmind_org>dEhiN: at least the size of your websites in /var/www and all the logfiles.
13:42<sunoano>maybe someone can give me hand since I am not exactly an apt pinning guru :)
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13:42<Tiff>atsankov: using the backport of Iceweasel is the most sensible way to do what you're trying to do.
13:42<sunoano>does my /etc/apt/preferences look about right?
13:42<_Alex__>atsankov: Try to grab the source code from Mozzila Foundation
13:42<dEhiN>@webmind_org I gtg, but I'll be back later
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13:43<_Alex__>and compile it
13:43<sunoano>as can be seen I got 3.1.3-12 installed but I'd like to replace it with whatever experimental offers
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13:44<sunoano>which currently is 3.2~rc1-2
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13:46<atsankov>Tiff: and how about thunderbird/icedove (no backport)
13:46<_Alex__>atsankov: Why don't you use Evolution Mail?
13:46<_Alex__>Do you use KDE?
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13:49<_Alex__>atsankov: If there is no version in Debian repos, get one from Ubuntu Repos :http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/amd64/thunderbird/download
13:49<Tiff>no, do not do that. really.
13:49<Tiff>such stupid advice.
13:49<_Alex__>why?
13:50<Tiff>atsankov: Either backport it yourself or build a package from its source. This can he helpful: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976
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13:50<Tiff>atsankov: backporting a package yourself is often relatively simple.
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14:14<bighornram>How do I see what iptables (rules) are being used?
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14:15<Tiff>iptables -L ?
14:15<Tiff>man iptables
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14:18<bighornram>Tiff: I have a file I want to commit. The newly installed squeeze rules have 2 more entries in them visible by iptables -L. Probalby need the iptables rule to add to my file before saving it to the system.
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14:21<Tiff>Okay
14:21<Tiff>then: iptables-save > whatever
14:22<Tiff>less whatever
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14:25<bighornram>Tiff: actually reading fail2ban package details looks like it may apply it's rules to the "current" ruleset so I'm gonna commit my new script and see what happens. :)
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14:25<Tiff>Well, it may be a good idea to take the current running rules and output them to a file like I did just in case you need to reference it or restore it anyway.
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14:29<dEhiN>How much space should a /var partition be?
14:30<Tiff>dEhiN: subjective question. Depends what you'll be storing there.
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14:31<Tiff>dEhiN: Typically 5GB would be sufficient I guess for "standard" use.
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14:31<ompaul>dEhiN: what do you use the machine for?
14:31<Tiff>dEhiN: if possible use a LVM to make changing partition sizes slightly more flexible.
14:31<dEhiN>Tiff: I want to set my debian box to allow for mutliple users via remote login
14:31<babilen>dEhiN: You could just use LVM, which gives you the option to resize those "partitions" easily later on.
14:31<dEhiN>how do I use an lvm?
14:32<ompaul>!lvm
14:32<babilen>dEhiN: Just ask yourself if you want to use the box for anyhting that needs space in /var such as databases or webserver ..
14:32<dpkg>[lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net.
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14:32<babilen>dEhiN: You can configure LVM during the installation
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14:33<dEhiN>hmm...probably webserver and sql database
14:34<ompaul>dEhiN: disk size?
14:34<dEhiN>if i have already installed my system can I set up an lvm to manage the existing partitions?
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14:34<dEhiN>50GB
14:34<dEhiN>partitions:
14:34<dEhiN>/ 20gb
14:35<dEhiN>sry, / 2gb
14:35<dEhiN>/var 10 gb
14:35<dEhiN>/usr 20 gb
14:35<dEhiN>/home about 20gb
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14:35<dEhiN>/tmp 1 gb
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14:36<dEhiN>swap 2gb
14:36<ompaul>you have a 50GB disk ... then you should stick everything into / at that size if you want flexibility ...
14:36<ompaul>and 2GB for swap - you can't have any real idea without measuring use to be honest and that disk is small
14:37<babilen>LVM would give you the option to seperate them and resize them later. This is a bit of work but saves you from excessive logging to some logs in /var to kill your machine
14:38<jhutchins_lt>LVM is also one more thing to go wrong.
14:38<babilen>right
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14:38<dEhiN>k gtg but i'll look into lvm
14:38<va>?
14:38<dEhiN>thx
14:38<babilen>eceryhting in / is a valid option, but *I* like to seperate things, as this gives me felxibility ...
14:39<ompaul>babilen: it's too small a disk to try and divide that out without having metrics methinks
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14:40<babilen>yeah
14:40<saha>Hi!
14:40<_Alex__>hi
14:40<gohan4748>sup
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14:40<saha>I killed my mpd process, but localhost:6600 is still in use
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14:41<saha>How can I resolve this problem?
14:41<rss>ompaul, babilen, 50 GB is small? I remember the time when that was huge!
14:41<saha>tcp 0 0 localhost:6600 *:* LISTEN -
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14:41<babilen>rss: welcome to 2011 :)
14:41<Tiff>It's not the size that matters, it's what you do with it.
14:41<ompaul>rss: I remember when 20 megs was large :)
14:41<saha>this is one line of netstat -lptu
14:41<babilen>Tiff: har har
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14:42<ompaul>rss: and a DSDD floppy was twice as much as I had :)
14:42<rss>ompaul, how about 10 MB?
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14:42<saha>looks like it is not right time to ask my questions:)
14:42<saha>the smaller HDD I had was 40gb
14:42<rss>Tiff, <Grin>
14:42<_Alex__>Too bad i can't install Debian with X and KDE and FLASH on a 20 Mega HDD
14:43<ompaul>saha: I don't have an answer for you can you restart the process
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14:43<saha>I killed it, i tried /etc/init.d/mpd start (and restart too)
14:43<ompaul>saha: see the big red button?
14:43<saha>ps -e | grep mpd gives " 1358 ? 00:00:00 mpd <defunct>"
14:43<jhutchins_lt>saha: There's an option to show the PID that's using a port.
14:44<saha>No, just one big black button:)
14:44<saha>also, this mpd <defunct> isn't killable (even with -9)
14:44<ompaul>lsof | grep 6600 ?
14:45<saha>nothing relevant
14:45<jhutchins_lt>saha: It's dead and not responding but not gone.
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14:46<saha>hm, but how can I kill it?
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14:47<saha>it seems that mpd's parent is init
14:49<bighornram>trying to follow http://wiki.debian.org/iptables I created the test file and pasted the contents into it but get "iptables-restore: line 1 failed" can someone advise?
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14:51<saha>i'll reboot
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15:01<ompaul>bighornram: did you do this first: iptables-save > /etc/iptables.up.rules
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15:04<gotnone>I want to try to use the development live-boot code for the fixes in the scripts/live file. WHat do I have to do to make sure that my live build host uses these scripts when makeing a live image?
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15:08<MrFrood>Is it possible to search either apttitude or the debian packages web-site by the user intface a program provided by a package uses?
15:09<MrFrood>e.g. text mode or curses etc
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15:10<ompaul>MrFrood: that question is either based on a misunderstanding or didn't make it though your words into my brain, aptitude is curses based
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15:11<MrFrood>ompaul: I want to search ONLY for programs that use a specific interface
15:11<rss>ompaul: I think MrFrood means what ui a package needs.
15:12<MrFrood>rss: yes
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15:12<ompaul>something is missing in my brain - I'll leave it to you
15:13<rss>ompaul: I hope you find what's missing.
15:13<ompaul>;-)
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15:14<Kazsta>Hi, I was just wondering if anyone knew about an update that effected how php is implimented. Im not entirely sure whats changed on my debian server. but any php code that was like this no longer works if(!$var=="blah") now only the following works if($var != "blah").
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15:15<rss>MrFrood: I do not know offhand of a command that lists ui dependancies. I usually check the deps of a package before I install. Also, I run sid. I have all possible console ui options installed. I cannot help you further with your question
15:16<bighornram>ompaul: thankyou that was it.
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15:16<rss>Kazsta: php version upgrade
15:17<rss>Kazsta: php version upgrade. I means language spec change. What you illustrate looks like a syntax and or semantics change
15:17<MrFrood>rss: thanks anyway, I was just looking to make life easier - I might ask over on Debian user forums
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15:17<Kazsta>but i havnt upgraded php
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15:17<Kazsta>i seriously dont understand whats happened
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15:19<bin-bash>i'm planning to run debian squeeze on an x86 tablet computer
15:19<rss>Kazsta: you may not have upgraded but it looks like you php has. Maybe there is a compatibilaty switch that allows for old or obsolete / new behavior
15:19<themill>Kazsta: in php, ! has a higher precedence than == so if that ever worked in the past it was a bug.
15:20<bin-bash>which driver provides the touchscreen capability (i remember using wacom once)
15:20<rss>themill, Kazsta: that is what I meant about change
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15:23<Kazsta>if it was a bug, then it'll cause havoc, its been used a lot.
15:23<Kazsta>:(
15:24<rss>Kazsta: From a C++ programmers point of view, the if(!$var=="blah") sound dubious. the ! bining a not/inversion then ! has to make sence for $var. if comparing to a string which you are doing sounds like a lets not an say we did. i.e.bad practice.
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15:26<Kazsta>i started using it after my code was 'corrected' when i submitted a mod to phpbb
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15:27<themill>(fwiw: http://php.net/manual/en/language.operators.precedence.php )
15:27<rss>Kazsta: my typing is really dubious right now. What I meant to say is: It looks like are trying to apply a ! operator to a $var type that does not support that overload.
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15:29<Kazsta>rss, what you said makes sense.... i was hoping it was some sort of debian or apache change though. There is a lot of code that'll need to be rewritten if(!..... has been used int he context of if whatever i put here is false
15:30<Kazsta>in fact it seemed more reliable than using != lol
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15:31<themill>Kazsta: making arbitrary changes like that and then trying to pretend that it's not a change at all is a speciality of the developers of the php language.
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15:32<themill>I think anyone who has written any php more sophisticated than helloworld.php has been bitten by this sort of behaviour in the past. It makes it very difficult to take them and what they produce seriously.
15:32<rss>Kazsta: Syntactically a (x != y) is more reliable that a (!x = y). it is less ambiguous.
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15:34<rss>Kazsta: what i means one operation instead of two
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15:36<alretz>I built a simple livecd with live-build, openbox, iceweasel and xchat and need people to test it give me some feedback http://tinyurl.com/openboxlivecd
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16:23<mudd1206>Hello. I had a question about debian releases and security. I've used debian for a few years, and I've always though testing was considered more secure than unstable because it was covered by security team. However, I've been glancing through the wiki, and now it seems that both the wiki and the manual recommend unstable over testing. Could someone explain why? If unstable isn't covered by security team, wouldn't that make it less secure?
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16:24<MrFrood>I did not think testing was covered by the security team?
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16:25<mudd1206>Here's what I was reading: http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/
16:25<Tiff>mudd1206: it's a debatable topic.
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16:26<jw013>from what I have seen, I think the reason for that is simply because upstream security patches take (sometimes much) longer to make it into testing than they do into unstable
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16:27<Tiff>Higher versions which address earlier security problems can often make it into sid faster than the fix is retroactively applied by the security team. On the flip side, some security issues which occur in unstable may not ever make it down into stable/testing in the first place.
16:28<Tiff>It isn't more or less security. It's trade-off.
16:28<Tiff>* secure
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16:29<mudd1206>Alright, that makes sense. So the "benefit" of unstable would be a faster upstream patch, if it exists.
16:30<mudd1206>Thanks Tiff and jw013.
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16:30<Tiff>Typically, yes. But, as I said, sometimes that's only necessary to address security problems which will only ever occur because you're running unstable to begin with as the vulnerable version wouldn't make it down into testing/stable.
16:31<Tiff>Swings and roundabouts. :P
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16:33<Tiff>You then have to weigh up the benefits and negatives of running unstable packages as a whole. Not all issues are security related; some packages in unstable can be flawed in many other ways which can affect usability. As the name suggests, it can be unstable.
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16:34<jw013>I run stable myself
16:34<mudd1206>That's part of the reason I always liked using testing - it seemed stable enough, without having the problem that packages where months out of date.
16:34<mudd1206>jw013, stable with backports, or just stable?
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16:34<jw013>just stable for now
16:35<jw013>but on 5.0 lenny I had a few backports
16:35<jw013>6.0 is recent enough for me right now
16:35<jw013>would this be useful?
16:35<jw013>http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-choosing.en.html#s3.1.6
16:36<Tiff>My servers are still running Lenny. My desktop is a mix of Squeeze with some backported packages, and a few from sid/experimental. That's my personal preference though. :)
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16:37<Kosmonavt>hi all. I'm making forwarded traffic counting using iptables. Need to exclude several local subnets, so in config is something like: iptables -A FORWARD -i $WAN_IFACE -s ! $subnet -j TRAFFIC_FWD. But it doesn't work - even local packets go into TRAFFIC_FWD chain. What I'm doing wrong?
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16:38<mudd1206>Same here, server runs Lenny, but I was more concerned for my desktop. jw013, somewhat - I've read it before, and personally I've always found the benefits of slightly newer software of testing outweighed the potential stuck package (and that can be solved with running mixed testing/unstable when really necessary). Anyway, thanks for your advice.
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16:40<jw013>I run stable on my laptop and it usually works fine, but I usually don't need the latest software. If I do I get it from backports or backport it myself. I ran unstable at one point in the past, but I don't remember why I went to stable (probably some bad experience with a bug that I no longer remember). In any case stable + backports + the occasional unstable package has worked for me. Cheers :)
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16:41<ramnet>Kosmonavt: you might have better luck with that question on #iptables
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16:43<Kosmonavt><ramnet> ok, thanks
16:43<Knorrie->Kosmonavt: your rule is looking for packets coming *in* on the wan iface, with *local* addresses as source?
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16:45<Kosmonavt>see, I have 2 local areas - one is after machine with this rule, and some subnets before this machine. basically, these subnets are called "local" 'cause traffic there is free as in "money".
16:47<Kosmonavt><Knorrie> So I have to filter packets from that local network (say 1.2.3.0/24) coming to $WAN_IFACE
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16:52<kop>Kosmonavt: I find ferm to be more sane to work with than raw iptables. YMMV.
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16:54<Kosmonavt>kop: ok, thanks for advice. but still, it's quite strange - according to manual and iptables -L, everything must be ok.
16:55<kop>Kosmonavt: I'm not paying attention. It sometimes helps to use tcpdump/wireshark just to validate what you think is happening is what is happening.
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16:55<Kosmonavt>Knorrie: tried also iptables -A FORWARD -i $WAN_IFACE ! -s $subnet -j TRAFFIC_FWD (bang "!" is before -s). nothing changed
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17:07<Knorrie>Kosmonavt: works fine here: http://paste.debian.net/108226/
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17:08<Knorrie>Kosmonavt: perhaps there's a problem with your shell interpreting the ! as something special?
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17:09<Kosmonavt>Knorrie: what framework have you used? I simply wrote Bash script.
17:10<Knorrie>Kosmonavt: i' m used to writing the rulesets in the format that iptables-restore eats and iptables-save spits out
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17:10<Knorrie>the paste is a snipper, not the complete iptables-save output
17:10<Knorrie>snippet
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17:11<Knorrie>you can dump the current rules, alter them and try to load them again with iptables-restore < rulesfile
17:12<Knorrie>which is actually a better idea anyway, because if loading the rules fails, you don't get a box with an half applied ruleset
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17:12<Knorrie>if the shell script with iptables commands breaks somewhere...
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17:16<Kosmonavt>Knorrie: dumped rules from iptables-save, but it looks ok - basically this line is the same. still doesn't works. will try to figure it further. and thanks for tip with iptables dumps!
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17:18<Knorrie>Kosmonavt: or just insert some -j LOG --log-prefix "now at point X" rules to trace packet flow...
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17:19<Kosmonavt>Knorrie: does -j LOG change status of packet?
17:20<Knorrie>no
17:21<klh>sorry, I'm not able to found a factoid gave by dpkg bot yesterday. It was about removing some gnome stuff when gnome metapackage is installed.
17:21<klh>*find
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18:10<Nazcafan>hello
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18:10<Nazcafan>now that squeeze is stable, how do I tell aptitude to stop tracking the bug-reports?
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18:11<jhutchins_lt>Nazcafan: How did you tell it to track them in the first place?
18:11<Nazcafan>I don't remember, I have been using testing since 2005
18:12<Knorrie>probably using apt-listbugs
18:12<Nazcafan>Knorrie, so just purging the package?
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18:13<Knorrie>sounds like a plan
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18:39<doubledutch>...I run Debian Wheezy. The only other computers in my home run Debian Sid and Mac OSX. Is http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/ the best option, or is there and easier way to install WinXP on an ASUS eeePC (please note that it has no CD drive)?
18:40<cthuluh>and you think that since you run debian this is the place to ask such a question? :)
18:41<doubledutch>cthuluh; It's not like I joined this channel to ASK that question - been here for days.
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18:41<cthuluh>I just found that funny 8)
18:42<doubledutch>cthuluh; Been doing research on it and it seems that the "best option" is to have a computer with WinXP on it in order to install WinXP on a second... that's NOT something I find funny - to me, it seems like this possibly puts Debian at a disadvantage, which I am NOT "all for".
18:43<amphi>debian is at a disadvantage, because it's not a prefered platform for installing winxp on a second machine?
18:43<cthuluh>that one sounds even better :))
18:43<doubledutch>...been at work (sadly I can't check EVERYTHING since I work 14-hour shifts behind DHS networks) and this is just what I've found to be the best option for creating a WinXP USB boot install with Debian THUS FAR.
18:43<cthuluh>what about an usb cdrom drive?
18:44<plantigrade>to me that sound like a question for windows support … and their lack of easy usb install a disadvantage for them …
18:44<doubledutch>amphi; there are tons of tutorials/ways to do it - but this is the first time I've installed XP in 3+ years... just asking this channel: "What's the best way to do it on Debian (without a CD-ROM drive)?"
18:45<doubledutch>...creating a WinXP usb-flash install drive, is in my opinion, something this channel (75% of OFTC?) might know SOMETHING about.
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18:45<doubledutch>Sorry for mentioning Windows (shit, I don't use it), and cthuluh: not my machine so I'm not going to buy a USB CD-ROM drive for him.
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18:46<cthuluh>doubledutch: I thought the *owner* of the eeepc could an usb cdom drive
18:46<cthuluh>buy*
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18:47<cthuluh>but stating that it may be a disavantage for debian is just plain crap
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18:54<kev>hummm debian seems to use correct local for menus but not for localizations
18:54<kev>but not for applications
18:54<kev>i meant to say
18:55<sentapho>Hi can I have /etc/apt/sources.list , with squeeze, as well as testing repos ?
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18:56<Stereo>sentapho: that'd be the same thing
18:56<doubledutch>cthuluh; it's "just plain crap" for me to say "[...]to me, it seems like this possibly puts Debian at a disadvantage, which I am NOT 'all for'."
18:56<Stereo>sentapho: just squeeze should be fine
18:56<themill>Stereo: err... no it wouldn't
18:56<sentapho>Stereo, squeeze and testing are different yes ?
18:56<themill>sentapho: mixing releases is really not recommended.
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18:56<Stereo>ooh
18:56<ramnet>they are now :) look at apt-pinning if you want to mix and match
18:56<Stereo>sorry, brainlag
18:57<doubledutch>cthuluh; Pull your head out of your ass. My statement was in RESPONSE to yours which was: 1. unhelpfull, 2. included "8)", 3. Said "I just found that funny"
18:57<Stereo>ignore me and carry on
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18:57<cthuluh>doubledutch: *plonk* :)
18:57<sentapho>ramnet thanks. I had squeeze and testing for a long time before the official squeeze came out, do I have to change the repos now?
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18:58<ramnet>if you want to follow squeeze instead of testing, then yes. assuming of course you haven't upgraded anything since squeezes release.
18:58<sentapho>I have deb ftp://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free & deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
18:59<sentapho>ramnet, I have apt-get dist-upgrade already
18:59<amphi>sentapho: then it's wheezy for you, it would seem
18:59<sentapho>Should I get rid of squeeze and keep only testing if that's what I want to stay with ?
18:59<ramnet>yes
19:00<sentapho>amphi, OK , so change squeeze to wheezy and leave the testing as is ?
19:00<sentapho>ramnet, thanks.
19:00<ramnet>you should set them both to the same thing ideally
19:00<sentapho>ramnet... to 'testing' only ?
19:00<amphi>sentapho: I'd leave it all as testing for now, and upgrade very cautiously, for some time at least
19:01<sentapho>Thank you both for your help (amphi, ramnet)
19:01<sentapho>I'm going to change the squeeze to wheezy and leave the testing.
19:01<amphi>or wheezy, if you don't want to track testing after the next release
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19:02<amphi>sentapho: that is a bad idea - either all testing or all wheezy
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19:02<amphi>as ramnet said above
19:02<sentapho>amphi, OK but 'wheezy' is 'testing' until wheezy comes out officially yes ?
19:02<amphi>sentapho: yes
19:02<amphi>after some time
19:03<sentapho>maybe 2 years.
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19:03<amphi>a bit early to start that stuff ;)
19:03<sentapho>OK, have a good weekend, I out of here... thanks again.
19:03*amphi waves
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19:10<doubledutch>Is there a good way to create bootable USB install for Windows (XP) using Debian? I'm following http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/ and would like to know if there's a better way, thanks.
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19:15<amphi>!qotd0
19:15<dpkg>"Linux doesn't exist. Everyone knows Linux is an unlicensed version of Unix." - http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;97798672;fp;2;fpid;1
19:15<amphi>heh, the voice of Darl
19:16<devil>now. thats good to know :S
19:17<doubledutch>...in Debian Wheezy, what's the best way to upgrade to Kernel 2.6.37, or what's the proper command to get information about that kenerl from DPKGBOT?
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19:17<devil>doubledutch: 2.6.37 lingers in experimental
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19:18<themill>s/experimental/sid/, actually
19:18<devil>doubledutch: so, put a line in yer sources and do apt-get install -t experimental foo
19:18<devil>themill: oh, it moved?
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19:19<themill>about 5 days ago
19:19<devil>doubledutch: seems i am behind current state
19:19<devil>themill: we use our own kernel, so i missed it :)
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19:21<doubledutch>themill; I run Debian Wheezy, what would be the best way to install 2.6.37? Is any info available from the DPKGBOT?
19:21<ceipha>.xsession-errors file gets extremely large over short time, like 800 Gbyte in a day, when Iceweasel is running. I believe it is related to Gnash debug messages in it, almost 100% sure. Is this a known problem?
19:23<amphi>ceipha: 800 *GB* in a day?
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19:24<amphi>ceipha: I symlink ~/.xsession-errors to /dev/null unless there is something I particularly want to see; and I did that because mine grew to 2GB
19:24<winsen>hello everybody
19:24<winsen>AgentC>hello man
19:25<ceipha>amphi, yes, exactly, 800 GB.
19:26<amphi>ceipha: I am deeply moved
19:26<amphi>I thought 2GB was bad
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19:27<ceipha>amphi, you see, no matter how bad you have it, there is always someone who has it worse :)
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19:27<amphi>ceipha: verily, in this case
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19:29<Nazcafan>I have updated my old testing to squeeze and I get a minimal bash command line dialog at boot, now
19:29<ceipha>amphi, but I like your solution. An even better solution would be for Gnash not to write *debugging* information into *error* log, at least not make it a default setting.
19:29<Nazcafan>s/bash/grub
19:29<ceipha>But that's not the right channel to say it, of course.
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19:30<amphi>ceipha: somethings are very noisy; gtk themes with errors or deprecated wotsits spew much into .xsession-errors, for example
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19:31<ceipha>amphi, yes, they also.
19:33<ceipha>But, as you can see, there's nothing that can compete with Gnash. I use a 1 TB disk for my home partition, and if I run Iceweasel, and especially pages with much flash, it is a question of some hours until fills up.
19:33<amphi>heheh
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19:36<ceipha>amphi, have you permanently linked .xsession-errors to /dev/null? I mean, .xsession-errors is being initialized each time a user logs in, isn't it?
19:37<amphi>I haven't checked, but I don't think mine grew to 2GB in one X session
19:38<amphi>but yes, generally it is symlinked to /dev/null here; only if I want to see something in it, for some reason, I remove the link
19:39<ceipha>amphi, got it. Thanks for the advice!
19:39<amphi>you're welcome
19:40<amphi>although it sounds like gnash could fill up /dev/null with its ravings ;)
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19:50<kangrenilla>when $IFACE variable get its value? (variable used in scripts for iptables...) in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d etc..
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19:50<kangrenilla>how can I know if $IFACE is 'lo' or 'eth0'?
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19:53<witte>kangrenilla: I am not sure what you mean, but: echo $IFACE
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19:55<kangrenilla>if I write echo $IFACE I get nothing, but IFACE is a variable that exists when the network is going up..
19:56<kangrenilla>I don't know where that variable is defined, only I know you can use it in scripts located in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d or if-up.d and configure iptables depending on IFACE value
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19:57<kangrenilla>http://man-es.debianchile.org/cortafuego.html
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19:58<witte>kangrenilla: that page is in spanish :-)
19:59<kangrenilla>yes, sorry, but the 'scripts' are "universal" :-),
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20:00<witte>ok, but I just joined, so what is it that you try to do
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20:00<kangrenilla>I'm trying to configure iptables for a server
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20:01<kangrenilla>And I know (more or less) what rules apply. The question is that for make persistent de rules, chains and so on, in that manual create scripts in /etc/network/...
20:02<kangrenilla>and in these scripts uses the variable IFACE that I don't know what the hell is....:(
20:02<witte>kangrenilla: isn't that set in the file /etc/network/interfaces
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20:02<witte>the only difference is that it there is defined without caps
20:03<kangrenilla>without caps?
20:03<witte>IFACE is just the interface
20:03<kangrenilla>yes, I suppose that, but I don't know where IFACE get its value
20:04<kangrenilla>When IFACE gets "lo" or "eth0" value?
20:04<witte>interfaces
20:04<witte>!interfaces
20:04<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>.
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20:04<witte>I think when /etc/init.d/networking is run (and calls /etc/network/interfaces)
20:05<witte>note the important word "think" in the last sentence
20:05<kangrenilla>Ok
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20:06<marnanel>is there a program which knows all the pkg-config files installed by all the various packages, and will scan through configure.ac in the current directory, look at what pkg-config macros it uses, and print out a list of the packages you should be installing? Because I think there should be, if there isn't.
20:06<kangrenilla>thank you very much, both dpkg and witte!
20:07<witte>kangrenilla: if you want a good answer, you should come back when the real experts are here, they can give you a detailed and correct answer
20:07<witte>I'm just a user, not an admin...
20:08<kangrenilla>but what you said is logic. After get a look for "man interfaces" I see IFACE variable there...
20:08<witte>marnanel: apt-file might be what you mean, or dpkg -S
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20:08<marnanel>witte: thanks
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20:09<kangrenilla>witte: There exists for each of the above mentioned options a directory
20:09<kangrenilla> /etc/network/if-<option>.d/ the scripts in which are run (with no argu‐
20:09<kangrenilla> ments) using run-parts(8) after the option itself has been processed.
20:09<kangrenilla> All of these commands have access to the following environment vari‐
20:09<kangrenilla> ables.
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20:10<amphi>marnanel: I've not heard of such a thing
20:11<kangrenilla>How can I paste?
20:11<kangrenilla>here?
20:11<witte>!tell kangrenilla about paste
20:13*witte thinks that he answered a bit to quick on marnanel's question
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20:17<kangrenilla>http://paste.debian.net/108242
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20:53<sahko>heres another packaging scenario. i install foo which recommends bar. but i dont want bar so i install it without recommends. at some later point i install foo2 which depends directly on bar. then i remove foo2. how do make apt get rid of bar as well? at this point apt interpets bar as a dependency of foo, not foo2 like i do
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21:06<sahko>also has anyone seen bigfoot or been to atlantis?
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21:08<Graves>can any1 tell me the default source.list
21:08<Graves>I cant find any packages
21:08<Graves>vim, screen, anything
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21:09<sahko>pastebin your sources.list somewhere
21:09<Graves>o I mangled it, its one line at this point
21:10<sahko>if you search for 'debian sources.list' using an internet search engine you will find many references, even generators for it
21:11<Graves>yeah ive been trying that
21:12<Graves>k ty
21:12<Graves>that search worked better then my searches
21:12<Tiff>The very first hit on Google for that search term seems to generate sane entries. :)
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21:12<Graves>yup
21:12<Tiff>Although it still lists Lenny as curent stable.
21:13<Graves>and squeeze as testing
21:13<Tiff>Yeah, so... be mindful of that. ^^
21:13<Graves>ok qhile I have your attention
21:13<Graves>I always use vim and no vi
21:13<Graves>how do i erase a line with vi
21:13<Graves>I have like 10 lines of blank space now
21:13<sahko>same as you do in vim
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21:15<jw013>if you do man 5 sources.list and search for examples there's two lines there that should be able to get you started
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21:16<sahko>oh right theres also dpkg sources.list
21:16<sahko>dpkg sources.list
21:16<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
21:16<Graves>thank you guys
21:16<Graves>yeah i did the generator and now im in real good shape
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21:24<Graves>just checked top and init is using all my ram
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21:33<dEhiN>Hi, I have some questions regarding determining partition sizes and using lvm
21:34<dEhiN>I was on here earlier today; not sure if anyone who helped me then is still on here
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21:35<dEhiN>My whole setup is using VirtualBox on a Win7 host to run a Debian Linux stable (6.0) machine
21:35<dEhiN>So currently I have a 30GB drive partitioned as follows:
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21:36<dEhiN>Volume Mount Size Actual Size FS Type
21:36<dEhiN>sda1 / 350mb (349.2MB) ext4
21:36<dEhiN>sda5 /usr 15gb (15.0GB) ext4
21:36<dEhiN>sda6 /var 4.75gb (4.7GB) ext4
21:36<dEhiN>sda7 swap 1.5gb (1.5GB) swap
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21:37<dEhiN>Let me try to write out the partition info
21:37<dEhiN>The following is formatted at <volume>,<mount_point>,<size>,<fs_type>
21:38<dEhiN>sda1,/,349.2MB,ext4
21:38<dEhiN>sda5,/usr,15GB,ext4
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21:38<Tiff>dEhiN: what is your exact issue with partition sizes and using LVM?
21:38<dEhiN>Ok, well the question is more about partition sizes
21:38<dEhiN>How do I determine how much space to give each partition
21:39<dEhiN>?
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21:39<Tiff>dEhiN: please don't paste the output of large commands here, it's spamming and also annoying to read. Use http://paste.debian.net if you need to.
21:39<dEhiN>I have partitions for /, /usr, /var, /tmp, and /home
21:39<dEhiN>ok
21:39<dEhiN>sorry
21:39<Tiff>dEhiN: I was also here earlier and we sorta told you this. :P
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21:40<dEhiN>yeah, but should I then just use the partition sizes I have right now, and use an LVM to grow them as needed?
21:40<dEhiN>Or should I repartition?
21:41<Tiff>dEhiN: If you use an LVM then its largely inconsequential. Partitions within an LVM can be resized easily without having to change the actual partition structure on the disk, etc. It's trivial to resize partitions as and when you need more space in an LVM. That's why you should use it.
21:41<dEhiN>Alright
21:42<dEhiN>So that means I don't have to worry about growing my hard disk? I can just add a new disk and add it to the LVM?
21:42<Tiff>If you had, for the sake of argument, 2GB assigned to /var and saw the need for it to be 10GB... if you were using an LVM this is something which is very easy to do. If you were not using an LVM, you'd have to bring the machine down and start dangerously shrinking and growing partitions.
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21:42<Tiff>dEhiN: that is correct, LVMs also make it easy to throw in additional hard disks and add them to the volumes available.
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21:43<dEhiN>Ok, thanks Tiff...I apologize for asking again, but I didn't fully understand an LVM
21:44<Tiff>dEhiN: you could start with 1 physical volume in a volume group, then attach another physical drive and add it to the same volume group which would be seen by the OS as more space on the same "drive." LVMs are designed for exactly this flexibility.
21:44<dEhiN>How does an LVM deal w/ multiple partitions (meant to be separate mount points)?
21:44<dEhiN>Do I need to have multiple volume groups?
21:45<Tiff>!lvm
21:45<dpkg>[lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net.
21:45<Tiff>!lvm_tutorial
21:45<Tiff>some useful links.
21:45<dEhiN>k
21:45<Tiff>!lvm_tutorial
21:45<dpkg>methinks lvm_tutorial is ibmdevworks tutorial http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lvm/, or http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2.html
21:45<Tiff>http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410
21:45<Tiff>There's lots of information out there which will give you good overview.
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21:47<dEhiN>Alright, I'm reading through the debian-administrion.org link
21:47<dEhiN>So a volume group is just a group that contains ALL my volumes?
21:47<dEhiN>Then do I ever need to have multiple volume groups?
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21:48<Tiff>Only you can answer that.
21:49<Tiff>If you're just using the LVM for extra flexibility not really.
21:49<Tiff>But you may wish to have an "OS" volume group... a "user data" volume group... it's up to you.
21:49<Tiff>The flexibility is there.
21:50<kop>dEhiN: One reason for more than one volume group is that the whole vg goes away when one pv fails. Some use raid1 to avoid this.
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21:50<kop>dEhiN: OTOH, it's nice to be able to have lvs larger than pvs.
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21:52<dEhiN>Ok, I think I get it...in my case I can probably create a separate vg for each mount point partition I want, make that partition a lv, and the vg can be composed of 1 or more pvs
21:53<dEhiN>One question re pvs: can I use primary and logical partitions as pvs? Or does it have to only be primary partitions?
21:53<kop>dEhiN: So many vgs may not make sense, if they'll all fit on one pv anyway.
21:53<kop>dEhiN: Any device. A whole device or a partition of any sort.
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21:54<dEhiN>kop: Well eventually I want to grow the lv partitions, and by making each mount point a separate vg, I can add a new pv to just that vg
21:54<kop>dEhiN: Most do whole devices, or if you want a partition table so you've space for a MBR then put a single partition on it and use that for a pv.
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21:55<dEhiN>kop: Well I want to use what I currently have and convert it into an LVM system. Right now I have / on sda1, /usr on sda5, /var on sda6, swap on sda7, /tmp on sda8, and /home on sda9
21:55<kop>dEhiN: Sure, but then you have to have a bunch of real partitions to add, whereas some of the point of lvm is to avoid partition management. Think of space unused in pvs as unpartitioned space that can be allocated anywhere in the vg.
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21:56<dEhiN>kop: Alright, but that can be (in my case) for future disks I add. But what about my existing disk structure?
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21:58<kop>dEhiN: No matter what you do you'll have to copy it into a lv, so it really does not matter. Those are the traditional partitions and exist that way for a reason (see <fhs>) so there's no reason not to have cooresponding lvs.
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22:00<edbian>Can you guys help me with github? http://pastebin.com/5WRMkVK1 here is my ssh attempt
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22:02<sney>edbian: I am sure there's a github channel.
22:02<dEhiN>kop: Did you get my last reply before I got disconnected?
22:02<edbian>sney, I thought it was an ssh problem on my end? I'll look
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22:32<btruler4>hey
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22:37<kop>dEhiN: No matter what you do you'll have to copy it into a lv, so it really does not matter. Those are the traditional partitions and exist that way for a reason (see <fhs>) so there's no reason not to have cooresponding lvs.
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23:09<jadrian>Hello everyone. My 32bit debian lenny server keeps rebooting randomly. I've tried it in 2 completely different servers and it just keeps doing it. There's nothing in the log files about what may be causing this. I've tried googling this for hours but I couldn't find a fix.
23:09<jadrian>It's not overheating
23:10<chrisreich>what services are running?
23:10<jadrian>It keeps rebooting at exactly 4 minutes in. I've disabled all my cronjobs.
23:11<jadrian>chrisreich, apache, dovecot, qmail
23:11<chrisreich>does it complete the boot process?
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23:11<jadrian>yes
23:11<jadrian>it's like it is automatically typing the shutdown command
23:11<chrisreich>have you tried disabling each of the services?
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23:11<jadrian>it even gives this message:
23:11<jadrian>Broadcast message from root@server (console) (Sat Feb 19 23:09:23 2011):
23:12<jadrian>The system is going down for reboot NOW!
23:12<jadrian>chrisreich, why would a service shutdown the whole server?
23:12<sney>check your /etc/inittab for something hilarious like 'at now + 4 minutes shutdown -r now'
23:13<jadrian>nothing like that there
23:13<jadrian>i've tried disabling the ctrlaltdel entry in there
23:13<chrisreich>jadrian it shouldn't, but we've got to divide and isolate the cause of the problem
23:14<sney>check in /etc/rc.local, too
23:14<jadrian>if i change this line:
23:14<jadrian>ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:
23:14<jadrian>to execute something like " echo "hello!" "
23:15<jadrian>it actually says "hello!" after 4 minutes
23:15<jadrian>but it still reboots.
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23:15<jadrian>sney, rc.local is blank, too.
23:15<sney>blank? or the default full of comments and then exit 0
23:15<jadrian>exit 0. sorry.
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23:16<sney>the best way to make something happen at a specific time without using cron is to use 'at'
23:16<jadrian>i've even tried moving the shutdown and reboot and poweroff binaries and it still manages to reboot the server.
23:16<sney>so, maybe set /usr/bin/at -x
23:17<jadrian>but its kinda curious how whatever its doing it executes to ctrlaltdel entry
23:17<sney>it is, but it'll be a lot easier to figure it out if you have more than 4 minutes to look around
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23:18<jadrian>yeah but i don't know where else to look
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23:18<jadrian>nothing seems to tell me just what the crud is doing this
23:18<paris>Hi folks, how can I install k3b, and remove Brasero in Debian 6?
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23:18<sney>paris: should be able to, yes. it might complain about wanting to remove gnome, though
23:19<sney>jadrian: so what about chmod a-x /usr/bin/at
23:19<jadrian>that file doesn't exist
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23:20<gotnone>my live build gets stuck Executing: gpg --batch --gen-key is it possible to skip this step?
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23:21<sney>gotnone: dunno, try asking in #debian-live
23:21<paris>sney, I have tried through software center, but I can not remove Basero and K3b says that it is installed but I don't see an icon on Sound and Video so...?
23:21<gotnone>sney, thanks
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23:23<sney>paris: you might have to create a launcher for k3b since it's not gnome software. try just running 'k3b' from the run dialog and see if it starts
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23:23<sney>paris: as for brasero, open a root terminal and do 'aptitude remove brasero' and see what options it offers you
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23:26<paris>sney! how can I do that I am a newbe in linux?
23:26<sney>google it? gnome has lots and lots of manuals and websites that explain it better than me
23:27<sney>the 'run' dialog should just be in the foot menu, and a root terminal would be in system tools or administrative tools or whatever it's called these days
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23:39<paris>Ok! folks, I will try to read on google, hopefuly I will be able to find out to fix it, meantime big thanks to thy help! Salut
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23:44<alretz>can someone help me with installing a patch from git?
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