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00:31<dyfrgi>So, I'm installing Squeeze, netinst. I select as my mirror and it comes up "Bad archive mirror".
00:31<dyfrgi>Checking the URL it was looking at on VC/4, it's snagging and checking for (Suite|Codename), which do appear and seem to have the right values.
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00:33<dyfrgi>Running the command on VC/2 it works just fine.
00:33<dyfrgi>Any idea why it's bailing?
00:34<dyfrgi> is working, so I'm not stuck here, but... I think might be broken.
00:34<ramnet>dyfrgi: possibly a broken mirror. points to several servers. try a different mirror close to you.
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00:35<dyfrgi>Hm, the Release files are even identical.
00:35<dyfrgi>Ah, so probably the first time I got a different member of the RR.
00:36<ramnet>dyfrgi: round robin dns.
00:36<ramnet>yup :)
00:36<dyfrgi>k. Too bad I have no way to see which particular one is broken in the log.
00:36<ramnet>that's why i tend to avoid the mirrors :)
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00:52<macarthur>why is it that in debian sid for some reason it's wanting me to reinstall hal? I thought hal was completely wiped out of debian and was replaced by udev?
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00:53<abrotman>judd: versions libhal1
00:53<judd>Package libhal1 on i386 -- lenny: 0.5.11-8; squeeze: 0.5.14-3; sid: 0.5.14-5; wheezy: 0.5.14-5
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00:53<macarthur>i was talking about it not being required for anything. It's on the update list. For some new packages. I thought that it was rather removed.
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00:56<macarthur>nevermind, apparently i still do have hal installed on my system but didn't notice it until today when it wanted to add more things to itself.
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01:04<dpkg>HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) is <> project, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine present hardware and be notified of its changes. #hal on Deprecated, see <devicekit> and
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01:10<mothermcfucker>Wayland: why?
01:11<mothermcfucker>I mean: why is Wayland being developed?
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01:15<phonex01>hi hello guys
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01:15<sahko>cause someone decided to do it?
01:16<phonex01>is there any way that i can open .vce file that used by Visual Certexam in ubuntu ?
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01:18<ramnet>phonex01: best go to #ubuntu to ask that - this is #debian
01:18<sahko>#ubuntu is on freenode if i remember correctly
01:18<phonex01>ok ok
01:19<phonex01>thank you guys
01:19<phonex01>look you hate ubuntu guys hahahah
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01:47<jillsmitt>dpkg knows so much
01:47<dpkg>jillsmitt: are you smoking crack?
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01:49<mothermcfucker>i am not smoking crack
01:49<mothermcfucker>but i love licking as crack'
01:49<mothermcfucker>does that count?
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01:56<mothermcfucker>new channel #debian-ftw
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02:18<jillsmitt>is there a way to convert kmail archives into evolution messages?
02:20<gsimmons>jillsmitt: The Evolution FAQ ( describes a couple of import methods.
02:20<jillsmitt>thanks, gsimmons
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02:25<Admin>where can i find a tutorial for python scripting in xchat?
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02:48<doubledutch>I am having difficulty finding the package name for 2.6.37 kernel in Experimental
02:48<doubledutch>I've asked 3-4 times over the past 3 days, but it appears dpkgbot doesn't know anything about it, either.
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02:49<cahoot>search for linux-image-2.6.37 on pdo?
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02:50<gsimmons>doubledutch: 2.6.37 was uploaded to unstable a few days ago. It's no longer available in experimental.
02:51<doubledutch>gsimmons; thank you!
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02:53<iiv>hi all. i've got a audio-related issue. i can hear sound only from one source at the time. i.e. audio output is not multiplexed. think this happened after updating alsa or kernel package.
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02:56<cahoot>iiv: open two terminals,run speaker-test -t wav -c2 in each, erors/complaints?
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02:57<doubledutch>What's the best way to install 2.6.37 on Wheezy right now?
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02:59<iiv>cahoot: no any errors. seems to be working right
02:59<cahoot>iiv: fine
03:00<cahoot>iiv: so the problem isn't with alsa per se
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03:01<iiv>but if mpc plays something and i run this command it says: Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy
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03:01<cahoot>mpc uses plain alsa?
03:01<mix22891>plz HELP!
03:01<cahoot>( i e not oss-emul)
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03:02<iiv>*mpd. default setting. i didn't change anything
03:02<mix22891>i have nVidia grfic card
03:02<mix22891>nVidia support Linux?
03:03<doubledutch>mix22891; More like Linux supports nVidia.
03:03<mix22891>i can't find drivers
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03:04<mix22891>thank you
03:04<doubledutch>mix22891; I am assuming that you're using Debian. You're more than welcome ~ Thank the wonderful Debian Community!
03:04<iiv>the same problem not only with mpd. it happens when i run kvm virt. machine and flash video in browser for example.
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03:05<mix22891>thank you!
03:06<mix22891>i do free drivers-and it says that my drivers allready up to date
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03:08<mix22891>i can't see normaly fonts
03:08<iiv>so the problem - once one program opened sound device any other trying to do this got error -16,Device or resource busy
03:08<mix22891>i can't*
03:10<DrSampler>i just test it, media player plays video file, rhytmbox plays MP3
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03:10<DrSampler>no problems at all
03:10<mix22891>i don't want to go back yo windows
03:11<DrSampler>what kind of audio codec you have?
03:12<mix22891><doubledutch> can you help me
03:12<mix22891>i don't want go back to windows
03:12<cahoot>so read the wiki
03:12<mix22891>i can't understand
03:12<iiv>that i have: Sound Driver:3.8.1a-980706 (ALSA v1.0.21 emulation code), Mixers: Realtek ALC889A
03:13<cahoot>there you go then
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03:13<mix22891>what is non-free drivers?
03:13<mix22891>blocked code?
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03:17<cahoot>iiv: start mpd and run fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* - what's returned (paste to a pastebin)?
03:18<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see
03:18<mix22891>my english is not so good
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03:20<cahoot>mix22891: what language would you prefer?
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03:21<iiv>cahoot: no output if i run this as a normal user, if as root:
03:21<cahoot>no local irc channel in hebrew?
03:21<mix22891>i don't know
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03:22<cahoot>iiv: seems mpd at least uses plain alsa
03:22<mix22891>there is a hebrew room?
03:22<dpkg>rumour has it, il is Israel, home of some truly great people
03:23<mix22891>thank you!
03:23<cahoot>iiv: but you can run speaker-test as user?
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03:24<mix22891>what is the israeli debian channel?
03:25<iiv>cahoot: speaker-test works anyway - under root and normal
03:26<cahoot>is anyone here knew you'd have the answer
03:26<cahoot>if anyone here knew you'd have the answer mix22891
03:26<cahoot>iiv: so it's not a matter of perms anyway
03:29<gsimmons>iiv: WRT squeeze's mpd, dmix is not enabled by default (Debian bug #568588).
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03:30<iiv>cahoot: wonder does speaker-test use different approach than other apps? even if i run a lot of speaker-tests all they work
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03:30<mix22891>no one in the debian-il channel
03:31<cahoot>iiv: that's a test of plain alsa - your problem must be with the applications using alsa
03:32<mix22891>can any1 HELP ME??????
03:32<mix22891>i just need nvidia grafic card drivers
03:33<cahoot>iiv: you don't have any ~/.asoundrc* possibly messing things up?
03:34<cahoot>mix22891: you've been directed to the source for help - no use nagging here
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03:35<mix22891>but i can't understand that
03:35<cahoot>so how do you expect instructions on irc would be better?
03:36<mix22891>how can i fix my fonts?
03:36<iiv>cahoot: no i'm not.
03:36<iiv> guess it's due to Debian bug #568588
03:36<cahoot>iiv: ok anyway dmix is an alsa thing - not mpd
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03:40<mix22891>xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is already the newest version.
03:42<mix22891>it's not accpet this code: printf "nouveau\ndrm\n" >> /etc/modules
03:44<iiv>gsimmons: thanks! fixing mpd.conf solved the problem
03:44<mix22891>what is configure X ?
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03:45<ompaul>mix22891: are you doing that as root?
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03:45<mix22891>i think
03:45<mix22891>yes yes
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03:47<ompaul>then what is the error message to say " <mix22891> it's not accpet this code: printf "nouveau\ndrm\n" >> /etc/modules " ?
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03:48<mix22891>no error massage
03:49<mix22891>will i get over this problem? cuz i don't go back to windpws
03:50<ompaul>mix22891: the idea of the >> is to just add that code to the end of /etc/modules ... if you type >> cat /etc/modules << you will find your command worked and the last line contains the nouveau line
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03:50<ompaul>mix22891: click on "configure X" and you will see a web page you can follow
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03:52<ompaul>mix22891: actually just do this: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
03:52<mix22891>i did apt-get update
03:53<ompaul>not a problem
03:53<ompaul>just do the line I indicated
03:54<mix22891>it's stuck on "82% working"
03:54<ompaul>apt-get update?
03:55<ompaul>is that whats stuck?
03:55<ompaul>you have a choice wait for it to finish
03:55<ompaul>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
03:56<mix22891>ok , i've insart the cd-r
03:56<ompaul>to do that you need to quit the apt-get and take it up later ... so CTRL C will stop it
03:56<mix22891>xserver-xorg is already the newest version.
03:56<mix22891>xserver-xorg set to manually installed.
03:57<ompaul> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
03:57<mix22891>i did it
03:57<ompaul>restart - as long as your card is supported it will work
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04:08<mix22891>the desktop icons are not so good
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04:08<mix22891>i can't see them clearly
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04:13<ompaul>mix22891: that's only the first step. Are you using gnome or kde, or something else?
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04:16<ompaul>mix22891: the desktop does it have a "K" on the bottom left hand corner?
04:17<ompaul>mix22891: i386 is not the answer ;-) but we will work out what you have
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04:18<ompaul>mix22891: can you be a little more attentive so we can close this off - I'm not likely to be here for much longer
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04:20<mix22891>no K
04:20<ompaul>is there a set of menus on the top of the screen?
04:21<mix22891>yes, on right
04:21<ompaul>can you screen shot please
04:22<ompaul>and put it into
04:24<mix22891>i can't load the url
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04:25<doubledutch>mix22891; try
04:29<mix22891>its KDE?
04:29<doubledutch>I cannot get Operations Normal when I insert my USB Flash Drive (it's unformatted). I've been told I should get the new kernel 2.6.37 (2.6.32-5 currently) to fix this. dmesg outputs the following:
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04:30<ompaul>mix22891: no, looks gnomish
04:33<ompaul>mix22891: I don't know the menu titles in gnome - the easy way to test is to CTRL ALT + and you will change resolution until you get it neatly
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04:35<cahoot>doubledutch: seems you've encountered a kernel bug
04:35<mix22891>ALT CTRL + not work
04:35<doubledutch>...would it be wrong to dist-upgrade to Sid just to get the 2.6.37 kernel and then dist-upgrade back to Wheezy? What's the best way to install 2.6.37 kernel on Wheezy at this point in time?
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04:35<doubledutch>cahoot; Thanks - whom should I submit this to?
04:36<cahoot>doubledutch: read line 684 ff in your paste
04:37<cahoot>seems related to ntfs though
04:37<ompaul>mix22891: gnome menus I am not sure of, however there should be a screen resolution menu under administration and settings/system but I can't be sure of the correct names
04:38<doubledutch>I thought the drive was unformatted - I have NTFS support installed currently.
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04:38<ompaul>doubledutch: you could try some other usb ports if it is not showing up when you lsusb
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04:39<darkhawk>mhm i think there is a problem with the netboot image and installing grub....the installation process can access to volatile repo and after that a few steps later grub cant install on the cf disk...(debian squeeze i386 netboot image)
04:39<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb squeeze main" and "deb squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
04:40<ompaul>darkhawk: check your repos there
04:40<ompaul>#out volatile for a while and see how you go you may need to check them for validity
04:42<mix22891><ompaul> i can't find it
04:42<ompaul>mix22891: your next question is where is screen resolution on gnome
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04:42<doubledutch>...I can see the USB drive when I lsusb, and have tried all 4 USB ports for the device. I do have on the desktop, the device name etc in icon format, and when I double click it I get:
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04:42<ompaul>mix22891: you have to ask it - I don't have the answer
04:43<doubledutch>Should I dist-upgrade to Sid just to get the 2.6.37 kernel and then dist-upgrade back to Wheezy? What's the best way to install 2.6.37 kernel on Wheezy?
04:44<ompaul>mix22891: I use kde :-/
04:44<ompaul>doubledutch: you should dist-upgrade and see if it is there
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04:44<cahoot>doubledutch: I sincerely doubt you can go from sid to wheezy
04:44<devil>doubledutch: no, just put a unstable line to your sources and install the kernel
04:45<doubledutch>devil; ..and then after kernel's installed, remove the source etc? No issues with version/dependency etc?
04:45<devil>cahoot: even if so, it would be overkill to go first to sid and then back. my guess is it leaves you with a lot of tiny pieces.
04:46<devil>doubledutch: remove or comment with #
04:46<mix22891><ompaul> it's GNOME
04:47<doubledutch>devil, cahoot, ompaul; Thank you all!
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04:47<darkhawk>ompaul: the image is using the regulat debian ftp repo
04:47<darkhawk>-t +r
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04:48<mix22891>i'm so tired
04:49<mix22891>of this
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04:52<ompaul>mix22891: you now need someone who knows gnome to get you over the next bit
04:53<mix22891>what is the diffrent between KDE and Gnome ?
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04:54<mix22891>some one use GNOME ?
04:54<mix22891>i need help
04:54<devil>mix22891: everything but both being desktop environments
04:54<ompaul>mix22891: I could write a book on that, basically built with different tools, different layouts, similar end products but some would say one is better than the other
04:55<mix22891>i see.
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04:55<mix22891>i'm getting confused
04:56<mix22891>about this gafic card
04:56<mix22891>it is new computer
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04:57<ompaul>mix22891: do you want to do something I know works 99% of the time - open a terminal su -
04:58<ompaul>mix22891: cd /etc/X11; mv xorg.conf ORIG-xorg.conf restart X it may work for you
04:58<mix22891>i have to use the cd-r?
04:58<ompaul>mix22891: no that is seperate issue
04:58<ompaul>mix22891: to stop the use of the cd-r you do this
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04:58<mix22891>mv: cannot stat `xorg.conf': No such file or directory
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04:59<ompaul>mix22891: did you do su - first
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05:00<ompaul>mix22891: if you don't follow the instructions we will both be very frustrated - so 1) su - 2) cd /etc/X11
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05:02<ompaul>mix22891: 3) type ls do you see an xorg.conf
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05:04*dimonov mew mew mew
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05:07<ompaul>mix22891: did you spot that I had lost my irc session and answer?
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05:13<doubledutch>The strangest thing: Changed sources.list to Sid and installed 2.6.37 kernel. Switched sources.list back to Wheezy and rebooted. Upon boot, both 2.6.32-5 and 2.6.37-1 were present. Choosing 2.6.32-5 everything is normal. Choosing 2.6.37-1, tty7 is broken (flashing black and blacker) and tty1 and tty2 claim that my password is incorrect.
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05:14<mix22891>i'm so tierd
05:14<ompaul>doubledutch: you have a working kernel - onwards and upwards - did it find your usb>
05:14<ompaul>mix22891: so take a break there are people here 24/7
05:15<doubledutch>ompaul; I booted into 2.6.32-5 because if I booted my new kernel it had me at tty1 login screen (not graphical XDM) and was saying my password for user is incorrect - I FREAKED OUT until I realized that booting my old (this) kernel yields OpsNml
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05:17<ompaul>mix22891: that is one problem it is not your resolution
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05:18<ompaul>mix22891: the whole screen resolution is a different thing
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05:19<ompaul>doubledutch: I don't know opsnml
05:19<ompaul>mix22891: I think you should take a break and not be tired - it is too easy to get frustrated when tired
05:20<doubledutch>Operations Normal, Good to Go, Gravy, Wham Bam Thank You Ma'am, Huzzah
05:20<ompaul>doubledutch: and stuff :)
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05:20<ompaul>the partial return of an afk heh
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05:22<doubledutch>I hear that after kernel upgrade, you need to fix nVidia drivers, and I would do that without question\remove my old kernel, but it's that booting off this kernel says my password is incorrect that scares me. How can that be?
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05:23<mix22891>ompaul ,do i get over it?
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05:23<ompaul>mix22891: I don't see why not,
05:23<ompaul>mix22891: you have two different issues
05:24<mix22891>i don't get it
05:24<mix22891>only you
05:24<ompaul>mix22891: then take a break, come back after a hour
05:25<mix22891>i bring my frinds to use linux
05:25<mix22891>now my mom want to use it
05:25<ompaul>mix22891: and?
05:25<mix22891>i've say to her that linux my secure and stable then windows
05:25<mix22891>and allso free
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05:26<ompaul>mix22891: if this is not specific help join #debian-offtopic
05:27*doubledutch is rebooting
05:27<mix22891>no no let continue
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05:27<ompaul>mix22891: type /join #debian-offtopic
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05:28<mix22891>do i need to reboot after: cd /etc/X11; mv xorg.conf ORIG-xorg.conf ?
05:28<dondelelcaro>mix22891: no
05:29<ompaul>log out log in - now be aaware if it fails - you log in as root and mv it back
05:29<ompaul>but it ain't failed me in a long time
05:29<ompaul>(then it was a much earlier version of X ;-))
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05:30<mix22891>what you mean log out and log in
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05:31<ompaul>exit X
05:31<doubledutch>So I've narrowed it down to PROBABLY being my keyboard (which is PS/2) but upon booting 2.6.37-1 kernel, CapsLock/NumLock/ScrollLock will not toggle lights. Though I can type my username, my password is "invalid".
05:31<ompaul>not turn off using the menu but just log out
05:31<doubledutch>...booting 2.6.32-5 works just fine and keyboard works normally.
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05:32<supness08>Anyone here that can help with php cron tabs?
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05:36<hagenz>how to edit menu in the xfce?
05:37<mix22891><ompaul> i do restart
05:38<ompaul>mix22891: you can, there should be a log out option on the menu but if you can't find it sure restart you'll find it another day
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05:40<mix22891>i did log out
05:40<ompaul>did your resolution resolve it
05:40<mix22891>can we try it again?
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05:41<mix22891>i was have to force turn off the computer
05:42<ompaul>when I arrived on IRC about two hours ago you were having problem installing modules - you have done exactly two other things and you keep getting distracted and complaining that you are tired - shouldn't you give it a break and come back in a few hours?
05:42<supness08>Anyone here that can help with php cron tabs?
05:42<ompaul>mix22891: in two hours I'd expect to get someone though fsck of a bad superblocked machine
05:43<mix22891>i need to slove it now
05:43<ompaul>mix22891: I strongly suggest you search google for resolution debian squeeze fix and come back with specific question s
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05:44<mix22891>you will be here in the next hour?
05:44<ompaul>mix22891: I don't know
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05:44<ompaul>it ain't like it is a job - it is something I do because I like debian
05:44<supness08>I have a script that when executed through terminal works perfect, but will not run right in cron. It iwll not send any eorror messages. :(
05:44<mix22891>can't i acppet your email?
05:44<hagenz>how to edit the main menu in the xfce?
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05:46<ompaul>supness08: most likely you should consider bringing in some environmental items and getting paths right (usual problem) btw a better way to phrase that question is not php cron tabs but "cron tab won't run my php scripts, which run in a shell" information and more of it is king ;-)
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05:46<ompaul>mix22891: IRC is IRC and if you want email help you should get on a forum or mailing list
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05:47<mix22891>c'ya in the next hour
05:47<ompaul>if I'm here :)
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05:49<supness08>eniromental items?
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05:50<OutOfLine>how do i spin down a sata drive (which is very rarely used)?
05:51<supness08>I am pretty sure my paths are correct. I can execute the script and it works fine. Cron executes scripts if they are normal shell scripts in teh same directory
05:52<supness08>do i need a * * * * * php /path/to/script/job.php
05:52<supness08>does that 'php' between the *s and path need to be there?
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05:53<ompaul>if job.php is not set to be run and does not call php itself you will and more so you might put the full path to php in there to be save
05:54<supness08>im sry, i i don't understand two things. Does set to run mean allowed to be executed? and does call php itself mean '#!/usr/bin/php'?
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05:55<ompaul>supness08: permissions on the script is it +x or not
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05:55<supness08>it is +x
05:55<supness08>for all users
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05:56<mehdi_>anybody has ever work with ssh?
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05:56<supness08>Quick question, is there a way i can have cron send me a report even if it doesn't error?
05:57<bartm>supness08, write to stdout
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05:57<ompaul>mehdi_: ask your real question please
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05:58<supness08>bartm how would i do that?
05:58<bartm>supness08, in a shell script just use "echo blabla"
05:58<mehdi_>well im connected to ssh server(its fedora) and i try filezilla to get my files but it wont connect anymore however i can connect with terminal
05:58<supness08>ok, i got that part, i meant in cron
05:58<mehdi_>so i wanto know how can i get my files throgh terminal
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05:59<sentapho>Hello, is 'wheezy' and 'testing' the same thing until wheezy gets officially released?
05:59<supness08>* * * * * /path/to/job.php stdout ?
05:59<ompaul>sentapho: yes until the hour and minute of same
05:59<bartm>sentapho, yes
05:59<ompaul>then testing moves on
05:59<sentapho>Thanks, so in my /etc/apt/sources.list can I mix and match wheezy and testing ?
06:00<sentapho>I wanted to change all 'squeeze' to 'testing' in my sources.list... is this OK to do?
06:00<sentapho>Thanks ompaul,bartm
06:00<bartm>supness08, * * * * * /path/to/
06:00<ompaul>supness08: no write something into your script to put information out there
06:01<mehdi_>anybody knows how i can transfer files with ssh through terminal? from remote pc to local
06:01<ompaul>sentapho: bad idea
06:01<bartm>mehdi_, use "scp"
06:01<ompaul>sentapho: do one or other
06:02<mehdi_>i cant undestand this
06:02<sentapho>ompaul, OK but wheezy and testing are the same ?
06:02<ompaul>sentapho: and what happens on the last day will you remember to change them?
06:02<bartm>mehdi_, see "man scp"
06:02<supness08>thanks, paul, bart, off I go
06:02<ompaul>sentapho: then you mix new and old and break box
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06:02<sentapho>ompaul, OK so as long as wheezy isn't released yet it's ok but be careful ...
06:02<ompaul>mehdi_: scp user@otherbox:/path/to/file.tar .
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06:03<ompaul>sentapho: no it is not ok - because it is in theory broken
06:03<mehdi_>is it copy to my ocal pc?
06:03<ompaul>sentapho: use one or the other or expect to broken some day
06:04<ompaul>game over I'm being called to cook or eat or something
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06:04<sentapho>regarding md5sums for .deb files... at /, this has all the md5sums for all the deb files, so...
06:05<sentapho>I cant' find the md5sum file for the md5sums.gz file.
06:05<sentapho>Is there one?
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06:05<sentapho>ompaul, thank you for your help, understood.
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06:09<mehdi_>i do this but nothing happens user@ip:port what am i supposed to do?
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06:10<bartm>mehdi_, what do you want to do ?
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06:10<mehdi_>i wanto transfer file from remote pc to a local
06:10<mehdi_>through termina
06:10<bartm>mehdi_, see "man scp"
06:11<mehdi_>i already saw
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06:12<mehdi_>sftp or scp wich one is better?
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06:16<bartm>the one that works is better than the other :)
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06:22<mehdi_>while im usin -P it wont change the port on scp wat should i do?
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06:23<cahoot>mehdi_: if you ssh to 'remote' - can you ssh back to 'local'?
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06:24<mehdi_>problem is i donno how :D
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06:25<supness08>Would i want to name a php script that I want to execute through cron '' or 'job.php'?
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06:25<thewanderer>not important
06:26<bartm>supness08, doesn't matter, but probably you'll prefer .php
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06:26<supness08>Are tehre any differences between scripting shell and scripting php, other than the code?
06:27<supness08>I can get to execute fine
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06:27<supness08>using #!/bin/sh
06:27<supness08>then using #!/usr/bin/php
06:27<supness08>it will not run right through cron, i can not figure out why
06:27<bartm>supness08, any error messages?
06:28<supness08>the script runs fine when ran through terminal, and no
06:28<Knorrie>how do you start a php script that has #!/bin/sh on the first line?
06:28<Knorrie>not with ./job/sh
06:28<Knorrie>not with ./
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06:29<supness08>i use ./job.php
06:29<supness08>it works fine
06:29<supness08>but i have '#!/usr/bin/php'
06:30<supness08>if i am using 'shell_exec' or similar terms do i need !#/bin/sh' as well?
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06:33<supness08>ok, thanks, i am just really at a loss. Runs fine in terminal, cron gives no errors, but it doesn't work. :(
06:33<thewanderer>I bet this is another missing $HOME problem
06:33<thewanderer>in cron you don't have normal environment variables
06:33<supness08>tell me more
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06:33<thewanderer>so if you want $HOME, set it by hand or use posix_getpwnam or what it was called
06:33<mehdi_>finally i got connected but it gives me this error: scp: .: not a regular file
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06:34<supness08>what is $HOME ?
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06:36<slush>mehdi_: if you need recursive copying, use -R .. but are you sure you arent confusing source & destiny
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06:36<slush>supness08: $HOME is an shell variable, you can see it when you type 'env' on your prompt
06:37<mehdi_>slush: im doing like this scp -P Port user@hostname: and it says enter password
06:37<mehdi_>and it gives me that error
06:37<supness08>thank you, my home is set to my dir
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06:38<ompaul__>mehdi_: scp -P $port user@hostname:/PATH/TO/file.tgz .
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06:38<ompaul>the dot is important
06:39<ompaul>dot says save it here
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06:39<ompaul>and off I run again
06:39<mehdi_>ompaul: i just did like that but it gives the same error
06:39<bartm>mehdi_, can you show us what exactly you typed ?
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06:40<mehdi_>scp -P 3600 root@ /home/mehdip/nohup.out
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06:41<bartm>mehdi_, there must be no space between ":" and "/"
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06:41<bartm>mehdi_, and you forgot the trailing " ."
06:41<mehdi_>and without space it shows help
06:41<mehdi_>oh "." is helped
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06:42<bartm>scp -P 3600 root@ .
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06:43<mehdi_>thanx bartm it actually worked
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07:33<_Megaf>Good morning.
07:33<_Megaf>Id like to install gvfs-iphone and gnome-globalmenu
07:34<_Megaf>is there any deb or midia where I can find those .debs?
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07:38<ompaul>_Megaf: apt-cache search ipod might help with the first one as for the second I don't know gnome so I have no idea
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07:39<_Megaf>ompaul: gvfs-iphone is a package that a allow me to browse my device using Nautilus and it make easy to trasnfer musics to it
07:39<_Megaf>all those ipod stuff doesnt work =/
07:40<ompaul>_Megaf: so I use an android so don't know any more than apt tells me
07:40<_Megaf>ompaul: I have an Android :)
07:40<_Megaf>and its much more closed than my iPod Touch
07:40<_Megaf>I have no root access at all
07:41<ompaul>you can root it
07:41<ompaul>but that is not for here
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07:45<winnie_>well hello everyone
07:46<ompaul>_Megaf: enjoy
07:46<winnie_>does anyone feel comfortable configuring apache here?
07:46<ompaul>winnie_: not very complex stuff and I can look at some settings but mostly I found the tutorials much better on wiki's for that and here for very specific questions
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07:47<winnie_>specific question is what i have
07:47<winnie_>i have an apache2 up and running
07:47<winnie_>the one from the ubuntu repos
07:47<winnie_>all is to my liking now
07:47<winnie_>i read about how all the modules things work
07:47<winnie_>but just cant seem to figure out how to configure specific modules
07:48<winnie_>i want to change the log format and i found several guides online, but none specifically say which conf file to edit and i am lost in the wiki on that matter
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07:50<winnie_>so anyway short question, how do i edit the conf of mod_log_config
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07:53<ramnet>winnie_: LogFormat etc options will be under /etc/apache2 somewhere - afaik they are in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf but they may have moved since i last looked :)
07:53<ramnet>there are also logging directives inside virtualhost files like /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
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07:55<ramnet>there might be a module-specific config in /etc/apache2/mods-available for logging options too
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07:55<winnie_>mod_log isnt even on mod-available
07:55<winnie_>or enabled
07:55<winnie_>but i read ubuntu compiles it as a core module?
07:56<ramnet>probably builtin then
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07:56<winnie_>will i get kicked if i copy paste 10 lines=
07:57<winnie_>i haven't been on IRC for 10 years
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07:57<ramnet>winnie_: apache2 -l to verrify staticly built modules
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07:58<winnie_>core.c mod _log_config.c and more
07:58<winnie_>well i know that the logging works i just want to change the format
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07:59<ramnet>/etc/apache2/apache2.conf - LogFormat directive should be in there.
07:59<ramnet>modify as you need :)
08:02<winnie_>the error log is there but not the access log
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08:02<winnie_>maybe i can create a custom log?
08:03<ramnet>you can
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08:03<ramnet>or ask on #ubuntu where they moved it too since you're using their package
08:03<winnie_>Three directives are provided by this module: TransferLog to create a log file, LogFormat to set a custom format, and CustomLog to define a log file and format in one step. The TransferLog and CustomLog directives can be used multiple times in each server to cause each request to be logged to multiple files.
08:04<winnie_>that is under the mod_log_config doc
08:04<winnie_>somehow i trust the debian ppl more than the ubuntu ppl for server conf ;)
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08:06<ramnet>winnie_: - what debian ships with by default - should give you an idea how to setup a custom one
08:06<themill>winnie_: you want #ubuntu on
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08:07<winnie_>ah i seem to be on the right track now
08:07<winnie_>i'll figure it out with the documentation
08:07<winnie_>just pointing me to apache2.conf (which i already have edited in the past:)) helped alot
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08:08<winnie_>so what makes debian better than ubuntu :)
08:09<themill>!why debian
08:09<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also (archived at . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
08:09<ramnet>winnie_: debian is less bloated and far fewer bugs. much more stable and more flexible than ubuntu :)
08:10<ramnet>i like to think of debian vs ubuntu as being similar to centos vs fedora - one is a rock solid platform and the other shouldn't be used for anything important :)
08:11<ramnet>i have to admit ubuntu is pretty tho :P
08:11<winnie_>does that mean that ubuntu offers more and more recent packages?
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08:11<winnie_>pretty? you can make a *nix OS pretty regardless of distro
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08:12<lillecarl>ubuntu uses applications debian would call testing
08:12<lillecarl>kinda like that
08:12<ramnet>ubuntu pulls all it's packages from debian unstable without much of a second look if that's any idea to ubuntu's quality
08:12<lillecarl>and they bloat the os with eyecandy so ppl should love the look of it
08:12<winnie_>well it comes with minimal eyecandy
08:13<lillecarl>even the gnome terminal crashes on buntu :P
08:13<winnie_>its up to you if you want to enable the eyecandy or not
08:13<lillecarl>ubuntu comes with alot of eyecandy
08:13<winnie_>and gnome-terminal has never crashed on me
08:13<ramnet>well the new ubuntu switched from poo brown to purple haze :P
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08:13<SynrG>i think this is verging on, if not outright debian fanboi-ism :p
08:13<winnie_>define eyecandy
08:13<lillecarl>compare a clean buntu with clean squeeze ;D
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08:14<SynrG>don't get me wrong. i love debian as much as the next guy. but ubuntu has a different focus and different culture than debian.
08:14<ramnet>well this is #debian you're bound to get fanboys for debian here :)
08:14<SynrG>clearly it's something that a lot of people find attractive. personally, i don't.
08:14<SynrG>yes, ot. sorry :)
08:14<themill>Comparisons of distros might be better off in #linux
08:14<winnie_>well yeah but we can have a constructive dialog
08:14<SynrG>right. so, take it to #debian-offtopic
08:14<winnie_>i asked here cause maybe i was looking to be convinced to try out debian
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08:15<winnie_>fine. sit on your silent chat room then.
08:15<lillecarl>the only thing that i like more with buntu
08:15<ramnet>winnie_: just try it on a test system and report back if you have problems :)
08:15<themill>winnie_: this is a user support channel. Silent is good.
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08:15<winnie_>thnx for all the help though
08:15<lillecarl>is that it installed ati propiretary ( spelling Q_Q) from beginning
08:16<lillecarl>and i cant get that driver into my squeeze
08:16<lillecarl>so im kinda lost in multibooting XP ;)
08:16<SynrG>winnie_: no, i'm serious. i'm there now, and if you really want to hear more of what i think, i'd be happy to share there (redirectiong to #ot is not necessarily the end of a conversation)
08:16<winnie_>hehe ok i am comming
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08:16<winnie_>thnx for all the help guys again
08:17<winnie_>ot? or debian-offtopic
08:17<SynrG>yes, #debian-offtopic
08:17<SynrG>(frequently abbreviated #ot)
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08:42<Stemby>hi, I have a problem on wheezy:
08:42<Stemby>what can I try?
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08:46<Guest2021>hey, is there a channel about iptables?
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09:04<Quantumboredom>I'm installing squeeze and the installer is asking me which kernel to install, linux-image-2.6-amd64 or same with 2.6.32-5-amd64. What should I choose/what's the difference?
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09:06<cthuluh>if you install 2.6-amd64, then it could be automatically upgraded to a different version, say 2.6.37
09:07<cthuluh>*could*, because the 2.6.32 will remain the stable kernel for a while
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09:07<Quantumboredom>Ah, is that a general thing with packages also? Ones with specific versions in their names will not be updated?
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09:07<cthuluh>afaik, this is the only reason
09:08<Quantumboredom>Ok, thanks :)
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09:14<Guest2021>I'm trying to block all but TCP and UDP in iptables, but I can't find the syntax for logical and in iptables
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09:36<Stemby>how can I hel you for fixing this bug?
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09:37<winnie_>hello again
09:37<winnie_>i have a generall question about apache securtiy
09:37<winnie_>i have an index files locked down
09:38<winnie_>" AllowOverride AuthConfig"
09:38<winnie_>is on the specific page config file
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09:38<winnie_>i dont exacly remember what i did since i followed a no-brainers how to guide
09:39<winnie_>the password is quite weak
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09:39<themill>winnie_: you want #ubuntu on
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09:39<winnie_>i am sorry mill i was hoping i would get some help here anyway
09:39<winnie_>even if do use ubuntu :)
09:39<winnie_>i feel some hate vibes here
09:39<ramnet> that's a question for #apache really
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09:40<themill>winnie_: we have no idea how the ubuntu packages are different to the debian ones. #ubuntu does, however.
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09:40<mix22891>i have problem with my nvidia grfhic card - i can't see clearly the fonts
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09:41<mix22891>i don't want to go back to windows :(
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09:42<winnie_>that was a non ubuntu specific question, it was a generall apache security question
09:42<winnie_>but thnx anwyay
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09:43<ramnet>winnie_: #httpd on freenode is what you want then ;)
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09:44<themill>winnie_: people tell us that all the time... and that would make it a #httpd question in that case and still not on-topic for #debian. Alternatively, we quite often then spend a lot of time tracking down a change to the package or a bug that doesn't exist in the debian package. Please just take it to either #httpd or #ubuntu both of which are on
09:44<mix22891>can some1 help?
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09:50<pistolpete>mix22891: just ask your question, so whomever has an idea where you need help?
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09:52<felipe_abella>i have debian at my desktop and laptop. When i ping the laptop from the desktop, i receive "Destination Host Unreachable", but if i ping the desktop from the laptop, and then try pinging the laptop again, it works! The same problem occurs with ssh, for example. Is there any security option that may be causing that? I don't know if this is important, but the laptop is using a Wi-Fi connection.
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09:56<_Megaf>megaf@MacBookPro:~$ skype
09:56<_Megaf>skype: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory\
09:56<_Megaf>megaf@MacBookPro:~$ ls /usr/lib/
09:56<SynrG>felipe_abella: an ip# conflict maybe?
09:56<mix22891><pistolpete> i've asked
09:57<mix22891>i have problem with my nvidia grfhic card - i can't see clearly the fonts
09:57<SynrG>felipe_abella: or some over-aggressive power management on the laptop that powers down the interface?
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09:57<SynrG>i doubt if it's security-related
09:57<felipe_abella>SynrG: One ip is, the other I just double-checked it.
09:57<themill>_Megaf: can you pastebin the output of "ldd /usr/bin/skype; uname -r"
09:57<felipe_abella>SynrG: I will search about power management issues, thanks
09:57<SynrG>or just a buggy driver :P
09:57<felipe_abella>SynrG: I just updated the driver...
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09:58<SynrG>it didn't do this before the upgrade?
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09:58<felipe_abella>SynrG: It did before and after the upgrade.
09:58<pistolpete>mix22891: CLI, KDE, Gnome???
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10:01<felipe_abella>SynrG: I tried the command "iwconfig wlan0 power off", which disables power management. It worked. Thanks
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10:02<pistolpete>mix22891: had a problem with KDE, renamed my .kde and .Xauthority in my home directory and rebooted everything worked OK there after.
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10:04<themill>_Megaf: skype and 64 bit requires a little bit more persuasion. You probably need need some more of the 32bit compatability libraries installed, e.g. ia32-libs-gtk
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10:04<mix22891><pistolpete> i don't undrstand you
10:04<_Megaf>themill: oh, sure, I forgot, there are a great wiki article about that
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10:07<pistolpete>mix22891: everyone has a ~/**** (home) directory on the system, look in there for a file named .Xauthority and change it to ._Xauthouiry and reboot.
10:08<cahoot>why would that help with fonts?
10:09<pistolpete>mix22891: it may work or you might have to also change the .gnome file to see if the system will regenerate new GUI files.
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10:10<mix22891>i can't find the file you've asked
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10:10<mix22891>on the system files
10:10<pistolpete>there might be a bad pointer to the font files or something wrong with a configuration that could fix the problem.
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10:11<pistolpete>mix22891: what is your login name on the system you are on?
10:11<_Megaf>thanks themill, problem fixed.
10:12<pistolpete>then look in the /home/mix22891 directory.
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10:13<mix22891>no .Xauthority
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10:13<mix22891>again it
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10:13<mix22891>'s gnome
10:14<themill>_Megaf: excellent
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10:15<pistolpete>basically I don't think it makes a difference which desktop one uses I was under the impression that you had to have Xorg running to get a GUI up and running.
10:16<pistolpete>GUI as in Gnome or KDE.
10:17<mix22891>i'm little new to debian
10:17<mix22891>and my english is not so good
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10:18<pistolpete>we all started some time and I'm new also, English is good enough for getting help.
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10:20<mix22891><pistolpete> i can't find .Xauthority
10:21<pistolpete>mix22891: it sounds like something needs reconfigured in your graphic's setup.
10:21<mix22891> --- LINUX ---
10:21<_Megaf>any packager here? Id like to ask for two really important packages for MacBook and iPhone/iPod-Touch users.
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10:22<pistolpete>how did you install debian.
10:22<mix22891><pistolpete> i don't think that debian soppurt nVidia
10:22<themill>gdm3 doesn't create a ~/.Xauthority
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10:23<pistolpete>themill: thanks I was not aware of that, what does gnome use than?
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10:24<Arrowmaster>themill: and neither does KDM i think
10:25<themill>Arrowmaster: I have a ~/.Xauthority here with a datestamp from when I last logged in
10:25<cahoot>and the whole discussion about .Xauthority can hardly have any implications on the problem mix22891 has?
10:25<pistolpete>Arrowmaster: it does on my systems, squeeze stable and testing.
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10:26<Arrowmaster>i helped somebody the other week that did a fresh squeeze install of kde and in the installer did not set a root password
10:26<Arrowmaster>he couldnt launch any graphical apps with sudo
10:26<themill>cahoot: quite
10:26<pistolpete>cahoot: well speak up as to what you think might be effecting the font issue.
10:26<Arrowmaster>turned out he didnt have an ~/.Xauthority
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10:27<Arrowmaster>somebody else also using kde said they didnt have one either
10:27<K6ORJ1>mix22891: Debian supports nVidia without 3D acceleration. must load non-free drivers to get 3D acceloration.
10:27<cahoot>pistolpete: I haven't really understood his description
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10:27<abrotman>or pray nouveau supports your card
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10:28<mix22891><K6ORJ1> please tell me how i do this!
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10:28<pistolpete>I can in on the tailend, and just wanted to help if I could.
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10:28<Arrowmaster>also just got here
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10:29<mix22891>i'm gettin tired, i'm here from the morning
10:29<pistolpete>cahoot: I came in on the tail-end of the problem and was just trying to explain how I over came a problem I was experiencing.
10:30<mix22891>i need information
10:30<K6ORJ1>mix22891: Well I am working on reinstalling it right now with, dkms.
10:31<pistolpete>mix22891: don't give up, try googling debian and nvidia there is a lot of information there.
10:31<Arrowmaster>!nvidia dkms
10:31<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
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10:32<mix22891>pistolpete i've read the wiki and i don't understand noting
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10:32<K6ORJ1>I am confused by that turtorial for dpkg
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10:32<Arrowmaster>what part of it confuses you?
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10:32<K6ORJ1>Are you using Squeeze?
10:33<mix22891>what is that?
10:33<Arrowmaster>debian 6.0
10:33<K6ORJ1>Latest version of Debian yes Debian 6.0
10:33<mix22891>i'm v.6
10:33<mix22891>yes yes
10:34<K6ORJ1>Ok The wiki is good except for One major flaw!
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10:34<pistolpete>mix22891: what are you installing it on and what did you use CD, Net-install or what?
10:34<K6ORJ1>Give me a moment.
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10:35<mix22891>i use the CD
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10:35<mix22891>i don't know what is net-installer
10:36<Arrowmaster>hmm i dont see dkms mentioned on the wiki
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10:37<K6ORJ1>I don't see it either.
10:37<pistolpete>CD, did you also update your installation from a mirror or what.
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10:37<Arrowmaster>should probably be updated since dkms is now the least hassle way to do it
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10:39<themill>Arrowmaster: I'd like to see that page completely rewritten actually. It's worse than useless, horrendously over complicated and quite poorly constructed
10:40<themill>(the use of "rewritten" rather than "altered" or "edited" is deliberate, too)
10:40<abrotman>themill: isn't there a single person that is standing in the way of that?
10:40<themill>there are some who seek to act as gatekeepers to that page, yes.
10:41<abrotman>so why not delete it completely, and start from scratch ?
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10:41<K6ORJ1>mix22891: The first method of installing the non-free drivers should work unless you are on a pre-1995 system.
10:41<K6ORJ1>There is 1 problem in the 1st method "# m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source" I changed this to "# m-a a-i nvidia"
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10:42<themill>abrotman: without the appropriate hardware to actually test it on, I'm a little loathe to do so.
10:42<K6ORJ1>"# m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source" didn't work for me!
10:42<Arrowmaster>K6ORJ1: you really should use the dkms method instead of m-a
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10:42<SynrG>why do people instantly jump to the wiki for help and ignore www.d.o?
10:43<abrotman>SynrG: for what? Nvidia help?
10:43<mix22891><K6ORJ1> i did the free-drivers method and noting
10:43<SynrG>hmm. net-install
10:43<K6ORJ1>Arrowmaster: I am working on that now but am confused trying to understand how
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10:43<Arrowmaster>K6ORJ1: copy the entire command from /msg dpkg nvidia dkms and run it as root
10:43<mix22891>excuse me
10:44<Arrowmaster>dont run it with sudo
10:44<Arrowmaster>it wont work
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10:44<K6ORJ1>Yes but hold on before you go.
10:45<K6ORJ1>run as root in Debian. I don't think he has sudo installed in a fresh install of Debian
10:46<Arrowmaster>sudo is almost certainly installed if you are running X
10:46<Arrowmaster>if you are running gnome im 100% possitive its installed
10:46<ramnet>yup gksudo pulls in sudo i think
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10:47<Arrowmaster>but still, i said running the command normally with sudo will NOT work, you have to either su to root, run sudo -s, or wrap the command with sh -c before running it with sudo
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10:50<K6ORJ1>Arrowmaster: Yes but I have never set it up and a don't think he would have being a new user so he should probably su to root. I have just always used su. If I had mutable administrators on the system I guess I would see the need for sudo.
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10:57<luke_jrh>hi there
10:57<K6ORJ1>mix22891: Arrowmaster: Ok I just installed the non-free drivers via dkms it lets see what happens after reboot! Back in a moment I hope!
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10:59<luke_jrh>i don't know if this is the right place to ask (first time here).. i've a problem with acpi
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11:00<pistolpete>mix22891: looks like your on the right path to getting the help you were looking for! ;)
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11:01<luke_jrh>;) hello!
11:01<bartm>luke_jrh, no need to draw attention, just ask the real question
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11:01<K6ORJ>OK It worked and was easy!
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11:02<luke_jrh>mmm the problem is, the battery of my eeepc seems not to generate any event when charging/uncharging..
11:02<luke_jrh>i'd like to use acpi to gently shut off my laptop when the battery level is low
11:02<luke_jrh>i know the events are generated by the kernel..
11:03<luke_jrh>so, how do i force the kernel generate those events?
11:03<K6ORJ>Amorphous: were you the guy helping me with nVidia?
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11:04<K6ORJ>Lost the names after reboot?
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11:05<pistolpete>K6ORJ: I believe you were dealing with Arrowmaster and mix22591 on that.
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11:06<K6ORJ>pistolpete: Thank You I should have written the names down with my short memory. Going through the list trying to find them.
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11:06<pistolpete>No problem just glad to help.
11:06<K6ORJ>Arrowmaster: mix22591: Ok it worked rebooted and there was an nVidia logo on the boot now that wasn't there before.
11:07<Arrowmaster>im still not sure how the nvidia issue was related to the font issue though
11:08<K6ORJ>We were talking about installing the nVidia non-free drivers
11:09<K6ORJ>I could be confused?
11:09<pistolpete>Arrowmaster: I guilty, I thought that a possible mis-configured or crupt point to the font files might be fixed with the system regenerates the startup files.
11:10<pistolpete>I'm guilty. ;)
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11:10<K6ORJ>mix22591: Are you still there?
11:11<K6ORJ>Have the fix for your nVidia drivers!
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11:11<pistolpete>K6ORJ: his last post was a half hour ago!
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11:13<K6ORJ>Hope he didn't get lost trying to install those drivers. Well he is still in the list. LOL
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11:13<pistolpete>I'm here
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11:15<pistolpete>K6ORJ: he said he came from windows and didn't want to go back, that's why I got involved, I have an Ati card.
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11:16<K6ORJ>pistolpete: Oh he dosn't have a gui running in Debian? He probably needs to install all over going to be much too much problems for a newbe to get that working!
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11:18<K6ORJ>Pistolpete: I tried that once. Never got the thing running well. did eventually get the gui to run but never got the sound.
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11:20<pistolpete>K6ORJ: GUI under debian is a snap, try it with FreeBSD you have to configure xorg there or at least the last time I tried and I'm new to debian also.
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11:21<ompaul>pistolpete: K6ORJ: he was here about 6 hours ago and asked to get nvidiao card working - has no concept of su - was complaining of being tired took two hours to get to the point where he had mv xorg.conf out of the way wanted change in icons and resolution afick
11:21<ompaul>afaics even
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11:24<pistolpete>sometimes that's the problem with window's user's it does not happen fast enough at times and they quit before they actually begin.
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11:24<K6ORJ>pistolpete: LOL!
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11:26<priyesh>does anyone know of a good wget web interface
11:27<bartm>priyesh, "wget web interface" ?
11:27<priyesh>yes bartm
11:27<priyesh>something like this (but more advanced)
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11:29<abrotman>priyesh: there are tons of GUI download managers
11:29<priyesh>i need a web interface (ie. through a web browser) for wget
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11:30<ramnet>priyesh: rapidleech is a popular one
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11:31<mix22891><K6ORJ1><pistolpete> i'm here again
11:31<mix22891>K6ORJ1 i don't understand the non-free driver tutrial
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11:32<K6ORJ>Ok welcome back
11:32<pistolpete>mix22891: K60RJ1 has some information that might help you, it is going to take time but hang in there.
11:33<K6ORJ>mix22891: What video card do you have?
11:33<mix22891>nvidia -i don't know the virsion
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11:34<pistolpete>K6ORJ: mix22891 good luck in solving the vidio issue, I'm going to take my ATi card and get out of this conversation.
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11:35<mix22891>ok-c'ya pistolpete
11:35<K6ORJ>run this command "lspci -nn|grep -i vga"
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11:36<mix22891>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210] [10de:0a65] (rev a2)
11:36<K6ORJ>Yes mix22891 I am only helping you now so if I forget to put your name on it is for you.
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11:37<mix22891>my mom what to use linux too
11:37<K6ORJ>mix22891: I think that is an old card hold on let me look
11:37<mix22891>ok K60RJ
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11:39<Kvant>not very old? introduced oct 09?
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11:39<mix22891>i'ts new card
11:39<mix22891>i buy it in the last 2months
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11:39<mix22891>maybe later
11:39<ompaul>mix22891: he means how long it is in the market
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11:40<mothermcfucker> /nick hudafuk_aaaaaaaar_yu
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11:41<ompaul>I am me
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11:41<cahoot>another one for /ignore
11:42<pistolpete>cahoot: don't you just love em!
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11:43<hudafuk_ar_yoo>While I am being ignored due to the chosen nom-de-plume, Has anyone here successfully built firefox 4 on a powerpc system and then used it as a backend to iceweasel?
11:43<K6ORJ>mix 22891: Yes that card is VERY OLD! That will need legacy drivers with dmks.
11:43<K6ORJ>anybody know about installing nVidia legacy drivers with dmks?
11:44<hudafuk_ar_yoo>Also, what is the best way to allow multiple instances of apt which would give a build environment as flexible as the freebsd ports?
11:44<gsimmons>K6ORJ: How did you come to that conclusion? The GT218 was released in 2009, the legacy drivers are for GPUs older than the GeForce 6xxx series.
11:44<blinky>I'm unable to play any soundfiles
11:44<blinky>I get Playback Error, Configured audiosink bin1 is not working.
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11:45<pistolpete>K6ORJ: listening to the conversation flow, he might need to provide information on everything in his system if the vidio card is that old.
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11:46<K6ORJ>gsimmons: Ok then It will work. was looking at the numbers and was unable to find it starting with the 200's not 6000 and a bove. thee was something that I read saying the numbers below 6000 were legacy!
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11:48<mothermcfucker>Has anyone here succesfully built firefox4 on a ppc based system and used it as a backend to icewease?
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11:50<K6ORJ>mix22891 are you root now in your terminal window? #= root $=regular user
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11:53<K6ORJ>mix22891: Are you root now in your terminal window? #= root $=regular user
11:53<mothermcfucker>I'll assume that the debian users are not intelligent enough to answer that question
11:54<K6ORJ>He is new. I am trying not to miss anything!
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11:55<valdyn>mothermcfucker: how does your question make sense?
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11:55<K6ORJ>mix22891: Are you root now in your terminal window? #= root $=regular user
11:56<mothermcfucker>Firefox is the backend for iceweasel
11:56<valdyn>mothermcfucker: no
11:56<mothermcfucker>the newer firefox4 does not build for ppc systems
11:56<mix22891>i've made wallpaper
11:56<mothermcfucker>you can build unbranded then add your own
11:56<mix22891>for linux
11:56<mothermcfucker>debian is linux
11:57<mothermcfucker>the jit jaegermonkey has too many x86 dependencies
11:57<Tiff>might be FreeBSD!
11:57<mothermcfucker>it won't build completely on ppc
11:57<mix22891><K6ORJ> yes, i'm the root
11:58<mothermcfucker>no one on the iceweasel debian-mozilla team seems to have any idea of how to work around this problem
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11:58<K6ORJ>mix22891: Are you talking to me on your windows system?
11:58<valdyn>mothermcfucker: how would you know?
11:58<mothermcfucker>It doesn't matter what nick I choose
11:58<mothermcfucker>because I have tried
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11:58<mix22891><K6ORJ> what?
11:58<mothermcfucker>and none have replied back
11:58<valdyn>mothermcfucker: so you have tried -> they have no idea, seems logical
11:59<valdyn>mothermcfucker: except that it does not
11:59<mothermcfucker>you would assume if they were given a link to the online results it would get a reply
11:59<zaikxtox>hello. i'm trying to install hplip 3.11.1 in a debian 6.0 clean installation and keeps giving me Missing REQUIRED dependency: cups-devel no matter how many -dev packages i tried
12:00<mix22891><K6ORJ> ?
12:00<zaikxtox>googled about but seems that 6.0 is so new that there are no previous references solving this
12:00<mix22891><K6ORJ> i'm the root on the terminal
12:00<mothermcfucker>valdyn: even the mozilla developers do not know how to solve the problem
12:00<K6ORJ>cut ant paste the following command in your linux system:
12:00<K6ORJ>aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
12:00<zaikxtox>some ideas? someone solved thad before?
12:01<mothermcfucker>valdyn: the only project for such is 10-4 fox and that developer does not know how to solve the problem
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12:01<mothermcfucker>valdyn: the highest source build is at 1.9.1 for the mozilla suite
12:02<bartm>zaikxtox, installing from "experimental" may result in such problems
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12:02<K6ORJ>mix22891: Are you running a gui on the linux system? does it look similar to microsoft windows or is the screen just text?
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12:02<mix22891>i don't know what is gui
12:02<bartm>zaikxtox, why not use 3.10.6-2 ?
12:02<mothermcfucker>valdyn: does that answer you inquiry and alleviate your possible sarcasm
12:02<zaikxtox>bartm, experimental? no no... I just downloaded the .bin package from hplip site
12:03<acu>mothermcfucker: your question makes no sense - that is why you get no answer - sorry to use vulgar words - but you ask a question - of how can I f**ck myself ? I think you need to refined and clear your objectives -and strategies - about inteligent people here - it is possible that 95% of people in this chat are more inteligent than you - instead of making useless statements - ask your question again
12:03<bartm>zaikxtox, why not use the package in debian ?
12:03<mix22891>i'm using debian v6.0
12:03<zaikxtox>bartm, and 3.10.6 seems not to be scanning with my hp 1212nf other than b&w
12:03<K6ORJ>Gui looks sorta like microsoft windows there are icons that you can move and stuff like microsoft windows
12:03<K6ORJ>Ok yess Gnome!
12:03<mix22891><K6ORJ> to restart the computer?
12:03<valdyn>mothermcfucker: not really, just tells me that you figured out that ff4 was not ported to ppc yet, duh, no surprise
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12:03<mothermcfucker>acu: When the question was posted twice today and many times before without an answer from anyone, what would I expect?
12:04<zaikxtox>bartm, it works as printer, but fails in the scanner feature set completeness
12:04<abrotman>maybe stop feeding the troll ?
12:04<mothermcfucker>acu: There wasn't even an 'I don't know." Too much attention was paid to the nick and not to the questions.
12:04<K6ORJ>mix22891 just cut and paste the long command that I gave you in a terminal window!
12:04<acu>mothermcfucker, means the question was not put right - no clarity of what you want - and strategy -
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12:04<mix22891>i did it
12:04<mix22891>i did the command
12:04<paisa>so ive been through all the steps that should configure squeeze to spanish local, but only _some_ of the applicactions are in spanish. menus for example are in spanish, but gnome-terminal is in english
12:05<K6ORJ>and it finished up. gamve you a #_
12:05<mix22891>its finished
12:05<bartm>paisa, not all packages are translated to all languages. Maybe that's the problem here
12:05<K6ORJ>Good reboot the system!
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12:05<mothermcfucker>acu: What someone considers right is a question of reason and perception. What is considered "properly stated" is another thing. That- the latter- is what you meant.
12:06<paisa>bartm: yes, but ive the package i want in spanish are in spanish in another debian install
12:06<paisa>and on this machine no
12:06<bartm>paisa, I suggest to try this : dpkg-reconfigure locales
12:06<mothermcfucker>acu: I stated it properly according to my understanding, not yours or anyone else's.
12:06<abrotman>mothermcfucker: knock it off .. arguing wiht acu won't get you any help
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12:06<paisa>bartm: yes i did that a few times, as well as look in /etc/default/locale
12:07<mothermcfucker>abrotman: Then scroll through the dialogue and anser the questions I posted, or at least give me an "I don't know how to solve such."
12:07<abrotman>mothermcfucker: quit whining
12:08<mothermcfucker>abrotman: I'm not. Have you tried building firefox 4 on a ppc system with debian? And you can include that the no branded option was used.
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12:08<abrotman>i wouldn't care enough to care .. yes i have a PPC machine .. i have zero interset in helping you
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12:09<abrotman>uhm .. I wouldn't care enough to try :)
12:09<mothermcfucker>abrotman: Thanks for the honest reply
12:10<abrotman>mothermcfucker: and since you keep picking fights, you're going to find many people unwilling to help you
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12:10<K6ORJ>abrotman: THANK YOU!
12:11<bartm>hehe *sigh*
12:11<abrotman>wow .. i thouhgt he'd keep going
12:11<bartm>he'll be back with another creative nick I guess
12:12<abrotman>he's been using that one for awhile
12:12<K6ORJ>There wasn't much though in that one!
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12:13<pistolpete>Sometimes the "IGNORE" button makes a big difference!
12:13<singularity>can someone please suggest me a good forum to join.
12:13<K6ORJ>For Debian?
12:14<singularity>with universal geek topics
12:14<singularity>programming . web dev . networking etc //.
12:14<cahoot> #geeks?
12:14<pistolpete>scan the channel list
12:14<K6ORJ>Well this one is for Debian, anyone else have any ideas?
12:14<singularity>no i mean not the channels
12:14<MrFrood>singularity: on freenode ##linux
12:14<singularity>on irc, i meant discussion forums on the internet
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12:17<MrFrood>singularity: freebode also has #debian-offtopic - I have not checked to see if oftc has one
12:17<bartm>MrFrood, it does
12:17<dpkg>[forums] , ,
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12:18<MrFrood>bartm: good to know but I'm already in too many channels :-|
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12:29<blinky>I still can't get audio to work
12:30<blinky>Playback Error, Configured audiosink bin1 is not working.
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12:36<sahko>can someone tell me why this is happening? i have libcpcslite1 installed required by wpasupplicant. today a new version of the lib entered testing, while trying to upgrade all the packages, the lib wants to pull its suggested package pcscd as a dependency. i have added APT::Install-Suggests "0"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf but that doesnt seem to have any affect. i thought suggests dont get installed/pulled by default?
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12:38<Quantumboredom>Anyone have a general idea of how often/quicly the non-free AMD/ATI fglrx driver will get ported to squeeze? I.e. would I be better off on wheezy if I need an up to date fglrx?
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12:39<valdyn>Quantumboredom: no, ati release a deb package builder
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12:40<Quantumboredom>But fglrx is in the repositories, is using it straight from AMD just as good?
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12:43<gsimmons>sahko: libpcsclite1 in unstable now depends (not suggests) on pcscd, as the library is not useful without it. See also Debian bug #612715.
12:43<daemonkeeper>There are advantages to use Debian packages, as they integrate better to your system. However it is your machine - feel free to use any upstream source you want if you prefer that. For Squeeze /no/ changes will be ported during its life time.
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12:45<Quantumboredom>Well I did see that a somewhat updated (10.4 I think) fglrx is to be found in lenny-backports
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12:46<daemonkeeper>Backports are another thing though
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12:47<onat>i guess 2.6.37 kernel is buggy
12:49<sahko>gsimmons: ah indeed, aptitude show libpcsclite1=1.6.6-2 reveals that
12:49<sahko>thank you
12:49<onat>i can't use the iphone ethernet driver
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12:51<onat>same thing on arch linux
12:51<onat>the previous kernel worked
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12:59<costas>Quantumboredom, I've used the proprietary AMD drivers on lenny but I'm know test-riding the debian driver...
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12:59<costas>it all depends on you, try them both and choose what works for you best...
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13:00<costas>bb people busy night !beer to all
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13:04<algorist>please how can I convert ogg to mp3?
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13:05<jhutchins_lt>It looks to me like most odd-numbered kernels in debian are buggy.
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13:06<jhutchins_lt>algorist: Lots of ways, lots of interfaces.
13:07<winnie_>hellooo everyone
13:07<winnie_>so here i am trying out debian, coming from several years of ubuntu desktop use
13:07<algorist>I've got audex
13:07<_44Kbps_>Anyone witch Debian Squeeze and MacBook?
13:08<_44Kbps_>I have trouble with touchpad, I can not use in the same sensibility on the de mac os x
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13:08<jhutchins_lt>algorist: google ogg to mp3 linux
13:08<algorist>jhutchins_lt: tx
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13:09<K6ORJ>algorist: command line you can try:
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13:09<_44Kbps_>I see that I can add xorg.conf configuration but I not found any config same sensibility as mac os x
13:09<delemi>Just a quick question how do I find the mount path for a USB external drive
13:10<delemi>I have tried dmesg
13:10<bartm>delemi, when it's already mounted, try "mount"
13:10<badaim>fdisk -l
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13:10<K6ORJ>apt-get install sox
13:10<K6ORJ>then follow the commands on
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13:10<delemi>bartm It auto mounts but I think the mount permissions are wrong
13:11<delemi>bart I have used umount to unmount it
13:11<winnie_>i am a bit confused with the repos: i added deb squeeze contrib non-free, does debian come with flash support out of the box?
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13:11<bartm>winnie_, install "flashplugin-nonfree"
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13:11<K6ORJ>algorist: command line you can try:
13:11<K6ORJ>apt-get install sox
13:11<K6ORJ>then follow the commands on
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13:12<winnie_>thats what confuses me, i installed chrome through a deb package and flash was already working
13:12<delemi>bartm: now I would like to remount it using sudo mount -t ntfs /mount/Point /Media/delemi
13:12<bartm>winnie_, what deb package?
13:13<winnie_>is there a package like ubuntus restricted extras that installs everything
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13:13<winnie_>some deb package from googles website that you download (not though apt-get)
13:13<winnie_>it said it would add the google repo automatically but it didnt as far as i cant tell
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13:16<delemi>I am assuming it is /sdc dmesg tell me the following "[ 321.442513] sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0
13:16<delemi>[ 321.443326] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] 1953525168 512-byte logical blocks: (1.00 TB/931 GiB)
13:16<delemi>[ 321.443825] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off
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13:16<K6ORJ>winnie: I belive as most web-browsers look in your /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins folder for plugins!
13:17<jhutchins_lt>winnie_: No such package I know of. Debian expects a little more knowledge and involvement from it's users.
13:17<winnie_>is it considered *bad* to add ubuntu repos to debian? :)
13:17<ramnet>winnie_: pick what you need. it's in non-free
13:17<bartm>winnie_, unwise :)
13:17<ramnet>don't mix and match
13:17<jhutchins_lt>winnie_: Only if you want to use the computer.
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13:17<winnie_>the one i already added then
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13:18<winnie_>what about gnome-panel-control command
13:18<winnie_>is there anyway to get that working on debian?
13:18<jhutchins_lt>!tell winnie_ about dmm
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13:18<ramnet>winnie_: gnome-control-center
13:19<winnie_>ah thank you
13:19<winnie_>both for the repo and the control center
13:19<K6ORJ>winnie_: I belive as most web-browsers look in your /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins folder for plugins!
13:19<delemi>I am assuming the mount point is going to be sdc, here is the output from dmesg.
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13:20<winnie_>eh? gnome-control-center
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13:21<winnie_>ramnet: can you be abit more specific?
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13:22<K6ORJ>winnie_: Ubuntu is not Debian! Some generic deb files from lets say google will work on both, but stuff in either repository shouldn't be used across from one to the other.
13:22<winnie_>under ubuntu gnome-panel can use different gnome-panel-control commands, like the command with show menu flag, to show the menu, but it doesnt seem present in gnome-panel from debian
13:22<jhutchins_lt>delemi: sdc is a device name, not a mount point.
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13:22<winnie_>yes i get that now K6 thnx, no mixing
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13:23<jhutchins_lt>winnie_: If you mix software from debian and ubuntu, sooner or later you will be re-installing the system.
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13:23<ramnet>winnie_: you can either run that cmd in terminal or find it under the gnome menu under system -> control center
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13:24<jhutchins_lt>delemi: You can now use fdisk to list the partitions: fdisk -l /dev/sdc
13:24<jhutchins_lt>delemi: If it's just sdc, you can mount /dev/sdc on /mnt or wherever you choose.
13:24<K6ORJ>winnie_: Are they using a newer version of Gnome than Debian.
13:24<winnie_>ok peopel i wont be adding ubuntu repos! thats why i asked! :)
13:24<delemi>jhutchins_lt: would sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sdc /Media/delemi be appropriate?
13:25<jhutchins_lt>delemi: That would probably be read-only except for root.
13:25<winnie_>the gnome-panel-control command has been around in the ubnuntu gnome for ages
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13:25<jhutchins_lt>delemi: Actually, given -t ntfs it would be read only for all.
13:25<winnie_>ramnet i got how to run control center but that was not what i was looking for
13:26<bilbo>hi all!
13:26<winnie_>i am looking for a command that makes the gnome-main menu show up
13:26<jhutchins_lt>delemi: If you need r/w you need ntfs-3g
13:26<dpkg>[ntfs] Windows NT File System. There are 3 drivers in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and <FUSE> drivers providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <ntfsck>, <label>. FAQ: . #ntfs on
13:26<delemi>jhutchins_lt: I am having input/output errors trying to delete a dir. I was told to umount the drive and remount using mount -r ntfs
13:27<delemi>jhutchins_lt: I will try ntfs-3g
13:27<jhutchins_lt>delemi: i/o errors may indicate hardware problems.
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13:28<jhutchins_lt>delemi: Deleting requires write access.
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13:28<delemi>jhutchins_lt: I am just having the problem with one dir, other than that I can read and write
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13:29<delemi>I tried to delete the dir using rm -r /media/Delemi/Dir/Name
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13:30<delemi>jhutchins_lt: and that is when I get the input/output errors
13:31<jhutchins_lt>delemi: fsck
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13:31<jhutchins_lt>delemi: Fairly common for corruption on ntfs to prevent deletion.
13:31<winnie_>is there some way to use the add-apt-repository command on debian?
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13:31<delemi>thank you....
13:32<winnie_>i mean is there any way to add ppa repos in debian..
13:33<Nemoder>winnie_: you can add any repository to your /etc/apt/sources.list but if the packages aren't designed for debian they likely wont work
13:33<jhutchins_lt>winnie_: No, and no.
13:33<jhutchins_lt>ppa repos are ubuntu software, not debian software.
13:33<winnie_>oh ok, thnx for clarifying
13:33<winnie_>i thought it was an apt thing
13:34<jhutchins_lt>debian apt is not ubuntu apt.
13:34<winnie_>like all packages i presume?
13:34<winnie_>i am learning the differnces are bigger than i though
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13:35<MrFrood>winnie_: it's generly easier to build from source
13:35<jhutchins_lt>We usually just do echo "deb lenny/updates main contrib non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
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13:35<winnie_>how do you add keys then?
13:36<jhutchins_lt>winnie_: Usually aptitude update, or install the keyring package.
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13:36<jhutchins_lt>winnie_: Most authorized debian repos are on the debian keyring package, external sites will have instructions for adding the key.
13:36<bilbo>(Hi again) I have an issue, it seems, with x-window-manager (couldn't find a better culprit). I have just updated from Lenny to Squeeze, I have a 2.6.32 kernel of type amd64. At the end of the procedure it asked me to reboot which I did and everything seems fine except that after logging in I just get a mouse on a (light-debian-)blue background, and nothing seems to respond
13:36<winnie_>The Release.gpg check has been rewritten to use gpgv, the same
13:36<winnie_>method as used by apt and debian-installer. As a side effect the
13:36<winnie_>keyring file has been changed to ~/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg.
13:36<winnie_>Existing setups must copy their pubring.gpg to trustedkeys.gpg or
13:36<winnie_>import the relevant keys there. This allows to only have the
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13:37<winnie_>oh i am sorry
13:37<bilbo>(I haven't found any error mentioned in any log file that I could think of)
13:37<ompaul>kurumin: we see you, and so far we have no reason to react other than to say, have you a specific debian question
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13:37<jhutchins_lt>bilbo: Console still working?
13:37<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:37<Daskreech>can anyone see ?
13:38<jhutchins_lt>bilbo: /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be the first place to look.
13:38<winnie_>trying to add the debian multimedia repo and i dont know what to make of that thing i copy pasted
13:38<ompaul>Daskreech: happy jboss
13:38<winnie_>sorry for my ignorance over the publickeys, can you point me to the right direction?
13:38<jhutchins_lt>bilbo: It sounds like you're running just X without any WM or DE.
13:38<Daskreech>thanks ompaul
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13:39<bilbo>jhutchins_lt: I did look in Xorg.0.log
13:39<bilbo>no error mentioned
13:39<jhutchins_lt>winnie_: The instructions for the key are on the web site.
13:39<jhutchins_lt>bilbo: Gnome? KDE? XFCE?
13:39<algorist>K6ORJ: sox didn't work
13:40<winnie_>isnt it that i copy pasted?
13:40<algorist>K6ORJ: sox FAIL formats: no handler for file extension `mp3'
13:40<bilbo>jhutchins_lt: gnome
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13:40<jhutchins_lt>bilbo: See if gdm is running I suppose.
13:40<jhutchins_lt>bilbo: I'll let someone who knows gnome help you.
13:41<jhutchins_lt>bilbo: You could try aptitude -f install
13:41<bilbo>jhutchins_lt: yes gdm is running
13:41<bilbo>jhutchins_lt: I tried dpkg-reconfigure gdm but same
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13:41<algorist>K6ORJ: there's no mp3 support in sox
13:41<jhutchins_lt>!tell winnie_ about dmm squeeze
13:42<K6ORJ>Do you have lame installed?
13:42<jhutchins_lt>algorist: Some of the tools other than mplayer may need codecs from <dmm>.
13:42<K6ORJ>algorist:most all programs require lame to do the mp3 sonversion
13:43<winnie_>ah there we were thank you!
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13:44<ramnet>winnie:_: install the debian-multimedia-keyring package. it'll warn you it's untrusted (obviously) but after apt-get update it'll have the keys you need
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13:45<ne0>i have installed debian on a core2due laptop and it seems to drag
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13:45<winnie_>yes thx ramnet that friendly bot told me already
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13:46<ramnet>outdone by a bot....must be getting slow :)
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13:50<K6ORJ>algorist: I am not sure if you need lame but go to and add the appropriate repository and then you can install the lame package.
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13:50<winnie_>well in ur defence the bot did get help from hutchins
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13:54<R33D3M33R>hello, some questions: if i leave the root passwd empty at install, the root user is disabled? If this is true, why does clicking a item (that requires root privileges) in the menu ask for the root password? Shouldn't It ask for the password for the first created user?
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13:55<bartm>R33D3M33R, maybe the empty password is the root password ?
13:55<R33D3M33R>no, it isn't i tried that
13:55<R33D3M33R>i entered my password, and empty one
13:55<R33D3M33R>doesn't work
13:55<DrSampler>root password cant be empty
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13:55<bartm>so now you have a system without root access?
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13:55<R33D3M33R>but at install it said i can leave it empty
13:56<sney>iirc, when you don't set a root password, sudo is installed & enabled
13:56<R33D3M33R>and the first created user will have sudo access
13:56<bartm>R33D3M33R, hit control-alt-f1 and try to login as root
13:56<R33D3M33R>@sney: correct
13:56<lelamal>R33D3M33R: I had your same problem, opened a topic in the forum, see if that helps:
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13:57<fernandotcl>hi, anyone else noticed that the DSO linking changes landed in sid?
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13:58<lillecarl>Question, when i try to enable the ati prop driver i have to open a virtual terminal and close the gnome session, then when i try to unload the radeon drive its still in use.... debian squeeze
13:59<ramnet>R33D3M33R: sudo bash
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14:00<mix22891>your command fck my computer
14:00<K6ORJ>I hope it worked for you?
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14:00<mix22891>my computer stuck and i reinstall debian
14:00<K6ORJ>Stuck where?
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14:01<lillecarl>in the middle of the night ;D
14:01<K6ORJ>Ok that command locked up when you rebooted?
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14:02<R33D3M33R>sudo passwd works, but that's the same as typing the root user password when installing
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14:05<ramnet>R33D3M33R: having a root password unset isn't traditionally how debian works. better to have a root password set
14:05<R33D3M33R>if i set the password for root the same as the first user, will it work?
14:06<R33D3M33R>ok, will try that
14:06<devil>R33D3M33R: i dont think that makes much sense though
14:06<ramnet>or you could use the solution in that bug report is you really want root-less system
14:07<K6ORJ>mix22891: Did you get any errors when you ran the command?
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14:08<mix22891>no errors
14:08<mix22891>just black screen
14:09<mix22891>after reboot
14:09<gring>to vincent: hi
14:09<mix22891>i just reinstall debian now
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14:12<K6ORJ>When you ran the command that you cut and pasted in were there errors?
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14:14<K6ORJ>mix22891: When you ran the command that you cut and pasted in were there errors? Not on the reboot?
14:16<mix22891>no errors
14:16<mix22891>just black screen
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14:16<mix22891>the computer not respond
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14:21<K6ORJ>mix22891: We would need to have some errors posted to see what went wrong?
14:22<DMBoyCloud>I have a problem with my Debian Testing, 2 days ago I installed some upgrades and every think gone well then it request a system reboot, after rebooting I noticed my monitor blinking, I thought it was a refresh problem but in gnome, meny system, preferences, monitors seys that the refresh is 60 gz, what else can do.
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14:24<ramnet>don't use testing :) have you checked your logs for anything unusual?
14:24<DMBoyCloud>Yes I did.
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14:25<mix22891>K60RJ i tell you, no errors
14:25<ramnet>using a non-free video driver?
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14:26<DMBoyCloud>ramnet, I use the vga driver
14:26<mix22891>i can't use this command again
14:26<sney>Testing is in its very early stages right now so you'd be wise to research before upgrading
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14:26<bartm>or only install some carefully selected packages from testing
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14:27<sney>yeah, I suppose at this point you could get away with mixing squeeze and wheezy, though I wouldn't do it
14:28<ompaul>mix22891: have you access to a separate machine, if so I suggest you get and burn a live CD of debian and that should give you the ability to see what the working system looks like
14:28<ompaul>mix22891: and it would give you a backup xorg.conf
14:29<DMBoyCloud>But what can I do to solve this problem.
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14:30<DrSampler>DMBoyCloud: whats your video hardware? Nvidia chip?
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14:31<mix22891>K60RJ there is another option?
14:32<DMBoyCloud>DrSampler, It is Ati, RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series]
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14:32<mix22891>im so tiered
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14:32<winnie_>does anyone use compiz?
14:32<sney>DMBoyCloud: do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed? it's required for that radeon to work properly
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14:32<DMBoyCloud>I have thexserver-xorg-video-radeon driver installed.
14:32<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
14:33<winnie_>ah alrighty then
14:33<mix22891>c'ya tommorow
14:33<winnie_>where is the expo plugin on compiz on the debian built
14:33<sney>DMBoyCloud: for the x1200 you need firmware-linux-nonfree and xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
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14:33<winnie_>but that sounds so inpolite :/
14:33<DMBoyCloud>I have the firmware-linux-nonfree installed.
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14:34<sney>dvs: all the radeon microcodes are in firmware-linux-nonfree, there isn't a special separate package for them.
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14:34<DMBoyCloud>I have installed xserver-xorg-video-radeon not the hd else I cant the hd in repositories
14:34<dvs>oh, NOW you tell me. ;-)
14:34<winnie_>comparing my questions to other ppls questions in this channel it would seem like i dont have any real problems :)
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14:35<sney>judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
14:35<judd>Package xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.1-2; squeeze: 1.3.0-3; experimental: 1.3.0-4
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14:35<sney>oh, it's not in wheezy? weird
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14:35<DMBoyCloud>I use a 64 bits system.
14:35<abrotman>sney: not in sid either
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14:36<sney>maybe it got bundled back into radeon
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14:36<DMBoyCloud>It is an amd atlon processor.
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14:37<sney>judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd --arch amd64
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14:37<judd>Package xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd on amd64 -- lenny: 1.2.1-2; squeeze: 1.3.0-3; experimental: 1.3.0-4
14:37<sney>same answer, anyway
14:37<archpollux>hi all
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14:37<DMBoyCloud>Is the xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd in the testing 64 bits system?
14:37<K6ORJ>mix22891: These are the steps that I did to install the non-free drivers the 1st time. It worked for me but this method means that you must re-compile them every time a new kernel is downloaded and installed.
14:37<K6ORJ># apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common
14:37<K6ORJ># m-a a-i nvidia
14:37<K6ORJ># apt-get install nvidia-xconfig
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14:37<gsimmons>dpkg: dbugs 612190
14:37<dpkg>DONE:#612190:N[] RM: xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd -- ROM; unmaintained (); Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:06:12 UTC []
14:38<DrSampler>i've bump into this 60hz problem myself, too, and i am on amd64 debian, too
14:38<archpollux>forgot what the configureation is called, but i have set my KDE4 desktop to display the KDE menu items with a search and a toolbar above where I can keep my favourites. I just don't remember how to go back to the normal desktop
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14:38<DrSampler>seems my geforce fx5200 cant properly detect monitor, just connect another tft panel and now its works fine
14:39<DMBoyCloud>Is there any posibility to solve my problem?
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14:39<DrSampler>connect another monitor
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14:40<sney>to rule out a hardware problem?
14:40<DrSampler>driver failed to detect monitor capabilites via DDC channel
14:40<DrSampler>it happens, sometimes
14:40<DMBoyCloud>It is not a monitor problem, I tasted it with a live cd distro and the problem does not exist out of Debian.
14:40<mdimitr>I'm wondering what is the best and easiest way to compile and run unstable package (from sid) in stable environment I am focused on user-mode-linux now but am I correct .. is it better to use something like openvz?
14:41<sney>ahh, so radeon has caught up to radeonhd, and radeonhd is no longer needed. still, I wish sometimes they were more verbose about these things
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14:43<DMBoyCloud>It is annoyin blinkin every 30m seconds.
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14:43<mdimitr>... I need to compile myself a unstable software (a single application) that will need X, but I can use the xorg server from the stable installation (this is what I want)
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14:44<sney>mdimitr: look at backports and/or ssb
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14:47<mdimitr>backport isn't it for specific packages only (I need to compile it by myself) .. what is ssb?
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14:48<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
14:49<sney>it's a way to build sid packages on your stable system while staying within the dpkg/apt methods.
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14:53<DrSampler>is it possible to have two different gcc versions installed? i need 4.4 and 4.3, both of them
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14:54<algorist>DrSampler: yes
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14:54<DrSampler>cant figure out myself
14:54<algorist>install with apt-get gcc
14:55<algorist>then use update-alternatives
14:56<mdimitr>thanks for the tips
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15:03<gsimmons>K6ORJ: mix22891's earlier issue was probably caused by referencing nouveau and drm in /etc/modules (per NvidiaGraphicsDrivers' nouveau procedure before revision 166), which overrides the nouveau blacklist provided by nvidia-kernel-common.
15:03<lapfrog>damn highlight keywords
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15:04<K6ORJ>gsimmons: OK
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15:05<K6ORJ>gsimmons: This must have been solved when I installed the nVidia driver the first time using the older method.
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15:09<devil>gohan4748: are you now spamming in here?
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15:10<K6ORJ>gsimmons: What could have been done to prevent this?
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15:12<gsimmons>K6ORJ: Not blindly running "printf "nouveau\ndrm\n" >> /etc/modules".
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15:13<K6ORJ>gsimmons: the only things listed in mine is: firewire-sbp2 and loop
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15:13<DrSampler>it is at the /etc/mdprobe.d/, actually
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15:14<DrSampler>oh, modprobe
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15:15<K6ORJ>I don't have /etc/mdprobe.d or modprobe
15:16<K6ORJ>Wait yes I do it is a folder
15:16<DrSampler>weird, different debian core, possbily
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15:16<bighornram>I setup a vpn and used iptables to route a uid owner to route though it. all others should stay routing though the default interface. how can i verify that the traffice is using the vpn interface? from cli
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15:19<clocker>usb drive on Squeeze mounting: /dev/sde1 on /media/? Any idea how to fix that? It's repeatable
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15:21<K6ORJ>DrSampler: gsimmons: Ok I see it in etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf
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15:24<DrSampler>K6ORJ: this file, if exists, prevent to load nuovo drivers
15:24<DrSampler>so, if you have it, you must be using non-free, native drivers instead
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15:25<K6ORJ>DrSampler Yes, The free drivers suck!!!!!!
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15:25<DrSampler>i dont care
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15:26<DrSampler>no way i'll use debian box for a 3d games) this is ridiculios
15:26<K6ORJ>If you can even get google earth to run on the free drivers it is choppy without 3D Acceleration!
15:26<sney>#debian is for support, not opinions. if you want to rant, get a blog
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15:28<K6ORJ>And Flash is sluggish on webpages. Trust me I am not a gammer but getting Google earth running was important.
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15:29<DrSampler>on a slow PC, maybe
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15:30<DrSampler>on a quad-core xeon, it is blazing fast
15:30<sney>nouveau is a brand new project, anyway. I'm still surprised it was allowed into the stable release. eventually it may be as good as the f/oss radeon drivers, which handle 3d accel pretty well
15:31<DrSampler>well, sounds good
15:31<sney>flash is deprecated technology anyway, html5 is quicker and more widely supported. in a couple years we'll all say, "haha, remember flash?"
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15:31<DrSampler>useless for me, however, i only use debian as a WoW server
15:31<DrSampler>no need for a fast 3d card
15:32<K6ORJ>Yes My kids do lots of Flash stuff on the web. and this is not the newest computer Old P4 so some of the stuff was dragging a bit. Switched to Gnome from KDE was a big help also KDE is becoming bloated.
15:32<K6ORJ>There new desktop is horrible.
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15:33<sney>I started using xfce on my little netbook to keep resource usage down over gnome/kde, and soon was using it on everything
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15:35<K6ORJ>DrSampler I agree with you on nouveau. I was also surprised to see it in the stable release. but looking forward to seeing improvements to it, I know it will get there!
15:35<DrSampler>highly efficient use of cpu/network resources, thats debian
15:36<DrSampler>i am on 1 gigabit fiber-optic internet uplink right now, but windows never give me so much download speed as debian
15:37<DrSampler>very good system
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15:37<bighornram>How can I look at traffic on an interface (ppp0) from commandline?
15:38<K6ORJ>DrSampler: Poor windows was probably asking what in the @#$! are you trying to do to me with such a fat pipe!
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15:39<DrSampler>speed never go much better than 300mbps on windows, even on 1gig uplink
15:40<DrSampler>i test it several times
15:41<DrSampler>on debian, it is around 600-700mbps when you're connected to a gigabit machine
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15:41<sney>I've seen high transfer speeds on windows but only on mid to high end server hardware running server OSes, never a desktop
15:41<DrSampler>sney, probably
15:42<DrSampler>but i've test a filezilla ftp server
15:42<sney>I'm sure there's a good reason for it but I'm not an engineer
15:42<DrSampler>never go beyond 300mbps
15:42<DrSampler>trust me\
15:42<sney>I'm not arguing with you buddy, just talking
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15:43<DrSampler>another q
15:43<DrSampler>is there are any internet radio broadcast (streaming) programs for a debian?
15:44<DrSampler>so far, i cant find any
15:44<sney>like icecast?
15:44<freewilly>can someone tell me what happend with good old RADEON driver... when I do glxinfo i can se that direct renderer is now Gallium 0.4 and everything is much slower now. BTW I use unstable
15:44<DrSampler>yes, but i have icecast server only for a windows box
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15:45<sney>freewilly: well, you're on unstable, so something changed. read the mailing lists
15:45<sney>judd: versions icecast
15:45<judd>Sorry, no package named 'icecast' was found in i386.
15:45<K6ORJ>Wow with 700 mbps My ADD self might not forget what I was downloading when it got in my computer! LOL
15:45<sney>oh, there it is.
15:45<sney>judd: versions icecast2
15:45<judd>Package icecast2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.3.2-2; lenny-backports: 2.3.2-5~bpo50+1; sid: 2.3.2-6; squeeze: 2.3.2-6; wheezy: 2.3.2-6
15:45<sney>DrSampler: ^
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15:45<DrSampler>i see
15:46<sney>so many things you can find with aptitude search :P
15:46<DrSampler>under windows, i use JetCast server, but it is very buggy
15:46<devil>and even before graphical search tools even started :)
15:46<DrSampler>never tried to use unix for that, so far
15:46<sney>icecast was derived from shoutcast iirc, though that was a loooong time ago and the source is probably completely different by now
15:47<sney>shoutcast being the winamp one.
15:47<DrSampler>they are all derived from a winamp plugin
15:47<DrSampler>i see you know what we are talking about, man)
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15:53<justin__>Ok, so, I added the sid repo to debian
15:54<justin__>Now, I have dist-upgraded - is this fine or bad?
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15:55<justin__>whois justin
15:55<ompaul>justin__: a bit late to ask ;-) it should be ok as long as you take care when you D-U (dist upgrade) and make sure you don't just let it kick your xserver away or something else as important unless it is putting in the same again, so it should ok
15:55<justin__>Sorry, lol
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15:55<ompaul>justin__: you are you
15:56<justin__>I know, there was a person who has a registered nick under justin, lol
15:56<ompaul>Long answer I was answering this [20:54:10] <justin__> Now, I have dist-upgraded - is this fine or bad? :: short one, I was replying to whois
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15:57<sney>though the thing is, if you're upgrading to sid and you have to ask if it's fine or bad, it's probably bad
15:57<sney>good luck though
15:57<justin__>Yeah, I should have added the wheezy repo instead
15:57<sney>sometimes the best way to learn is to jump in headfirst. you can always back up /home and then reinstall
15:57<justin__>Damn it.
15:57<justin__>I have to reinstall..
15:58<justin__>So, I can't just change from sid to wheezy?
15:58<sney>if things seem to be working, you don't *have* to
15:58<sney>you can't downgrade, no
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15:58<devil>justin__: you can go back to testing, yes
15:58<devil>sney: ?
15:58<dpkg>[downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
15:59<devil>sney: it technicaly works. you may keep the pieces if it breaks
15:59<sney>you can put wheezy repos in sources.list, but all that will do is freeze you at whatever current sid versions you're at, until they eventually wander into testing and then get upgraded
15:59<justin__>So, if it works after restart, i'm fine?
15:59<sney>it may actually result in a usable system, but strictly speaking it's not actually a downgrade.
16:00<sney>justin__: yep
16:00<sney>just keep your eyes peeled.
16:00<justin__>I just What.
16:00<K6ORJ>Backup home which should be in its own partition anyway and reinstall!
16:00<sney>pay attention. don't do any more big apt upgrades without reading up first
16:00<justin__>I really What so hard.
16:00<ompaul>krillin: what?
16:00<sney>but there's no harm in playing around, so long as you've got your data in a safe place
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16:01<justin__>No, I do not have to partition, lol
16:01<sney>ompaul: it's the same guy who keeps coming back with Dragonball character names, I think he types out so he can click on it
16:01<justin__>I have it all saved online, in a dropbox
16:01<ompaul>sney: ok
16:01<justin__>sney: WHAT THE HELL
16:01<sney>justin__: ?
16:01<justin__>sney: So, he can't just type it in the address bar?
16:02<sney>he is probably lazy
16:02<sney>I know people in other irc channels who do that too
16:02<justin__>sney: I had What again.
16:02<ompaul>justin__: relax there are ~500 others here not just us noisy ones :)
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16:02<justin__>I know, I know.
16:02<ompaul>justin__: do your sources back down to wheezy, and take your time :)
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16:03<ompaul>justin__: then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
16:03<ompaul>and keep on rocking
16:03<justin__>So, the thing will still work? YAY
16:03<sney>and if everything breaks you can always install wheezy directly from
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16:03<sney>justin__: well, that's just the thing. we don't know. nobody will know until you reboot and try it
16:03<justin__>Again, I What.
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16:03<sney>sid is called unstable for a reason. sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't!
16:03<justin__>Mostly, i'm fine, at least for now.
16:04<justin__>I have all the packages I need on a usb drive
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16:04<justin__>I have the debian installer (squeeze) on a usb drive
16:04<justin__>I'm kinda alright here.
16:04<ompaul>justin__: more or less - look you moved off stable ... so all bets are off but you should be ok ... I just won't bet on your horse, now if I was in that boat I'd be comfortable so don't worry, after a few hours/days/weeks you'll start to see changes again ime
16:04<justin__>ompaul: What does ime mean
16:05<ompaul>in my estimation
16:05<justin__>That - and I kinda meant to upgrade to a different version of debian
16:05<K6ORJ>UNSTABLE: The thrill of always being on the ragged edge of a major crash!
16:05<justin__>But I really didn't mean to unstable
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16:05<justin__>So, all I do is wait
16:05<ompaul>K6ORJ: I've been on SID for a couple of years and not really upset by same :)
16:05<justin__>Then, after that is done, I *wait for it*
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16:05<justin__>go back down to wheezy?
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16:06<ompaul>K6ORJ: then again I make my own special mistakes now and again ;-)
16:06<justin__>Or, as someone noted before, my version of sid will freeze until sid becomes testing
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16:06<ompaul>justin__: your machine will freeze versions of software until what you have filters down, that is correct
16:06<ompaul>justin__: so just change your stuff now and get that apt-get update out of the way
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16:07<justin__>But, i'm still installing stuff
16:07<justin__>It's not even done
16:07<sney>oh, the dist-upgrade is still going?
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16:07<sney>well, wait for it to finish, then change to wheezy, then reboot and cross your fingers
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16:08<justin__>So, after upgrading to sid from stable, and (trying) to downgrade from sid to testing
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16:08<justin__>I just cross my fingers, and see if it works?
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16:08<justin__>Anyways, if it doesn't, doesn't the debian squeeze installer have a repair part in it?
16:08<ompaul>justin__: can you do anything else? no, so yes?
16:08<sney>justin__: yes. exactly. see if it works.
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16:09<ompaul>justin__: just do it and stop having a debate with yourself in public :)
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16:09<bigdissaved>I have a question, and a small bug for debian 6.0.0 (Running on sparc)
16:09<devil>justin__: then keep on dist-upgrading and some day you will be tracking testing
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16:09<K6ORJ>ompaul: Ya I know I ran it for a while and it wasn't that bad. just sometimes difficult if you are trying to fix something like getting video drivers to work and stuff like that.
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16:10<sney>bigdissaved: ask your question, maybe someone will know
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16:10<ompaul>bigdissaved: I was not around on the day they did telepathy in school, ;-)
16:10<bigdissaved>the bug, when the install scrip for the networking runns, it creats the interface file, it does not pur a next line from the comment lie
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16:11<bigdissaved>so, the eth0 line is on the comment line, and thus, te interface does not come up
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16:11<justin__>Remove the pound from /etc/network/interfaces
16:11<justin__>that is on the eth0 line
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16:11<bigdissaved>I did, it works now
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16:12<bigdissaved>just letting the devs know about this
16:12<bigdissaved>the question, is
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16:12<dondus>Hello everyone.
16:12<ompaul>bigdissaved: so did you stick it on the bug tracker?
16:12<justin__>All you have to do - remove the pount.
16:12<justin__>If this is a bug
16:12<justin__>As ompaul said, put it in the bug tracker
16:13<bigdissaved>in gnome, it keeps running "starting File Ma" and it keeps opening it,
16:13<sney>bigdissaved: yeah, there are no devs in #debian usually, so take the bug to
16:13<bigdissaved>I will log a bug report
16:13<bigdissaved>it does not stop... it can have like 10 of them "starting"
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16:13<justin__>Do you know perfect english?
16:14<bigdissaved>I was never good at english
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16:14<justin__>Well, if it keeps running File Manager, what are you opening?
16:15<justin__>Are you using network-manager?
16:15<bigdissaved>it is from login
16:15<bigdissaved>network-manager is running...
16:15<justin__>Does it keep asking for a password or something else?
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16:15<justin__>If it keeps asking for a password, please, either
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16:16<justin__>One - comment out EVERYTHING in /etc/network/interfaces
16:16<justin__>The reason for this, is because network-manager does not like it
16:16<justin__>Two - Install wicd
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16:17<justin__>The reason for this - network-manager-* usually requires a password.
16:17<justin__>It is extra annoying, and if you have to keep typing in your password -
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16:18<justin__>You're better off installing wicd/wpa_supplicant for the interfaces file
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16:18<bigdissaved>it does not ask for a passward
16:18<justin__>Then what does happen?
16:18<justin__>Will it work, or not work?
16:18<bigdissaved>just an eathernet
16:18<justin__>As I said before
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16:19<justin__>Ok, so, here is what you do
16:19<bigdissaved>I just installed it today, with getting update from the mirror.
16:19<justin__>Say "sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces"
16:19<justin__>In your terminal
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16:19<justin__>Add a "#", or a "pound" to every line that is not blank.
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16:20<justin__>Press CTRL + X (^X) to save it.
16:20<justin__>Press Y if it asks you to save it
16:20<justin__>Press enter if it asks you for a file name (DO NOT SAVE IT AS SOMETHING ELSE)
16:20<justin__>Restart the computer (it had to end everything)
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16:20<justin__>Log in
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16:21<justin__>Click the network name (if it has a password, type it in)
16:21<justin__>Profit man, profit.
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16:21<bigdissaved>it is in the garage, ill be back in a min
16:21<K6ORJ>Anyone fimilar with using http://localhost:901/ to setup samba?
16:22<justin__>Now, I need to wait until my sid update (i could cry if my computer doesnt work) is done.
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16:31<ompaul>justin__: and that is very profitable
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16:33<bigdissaved>I am back
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16:33<bigdissaved>I did that, commented everything out in interfaces, and it is doing the same thing...
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16:36<that>ifconfig destroy interface && ifconfig create interface according to dmesg
16:36<doubledutch>I've installed kernel 2.6.37-1-686 from Sid (currently running 2.6.35-5-486) and upon boot I can choose either in GRUB. 2.6.35 works fine but when I boot into 2.6.37, tty7 is flashing and tty1 presents me with a logon in large screen resolution and says that my password is incorrect.
16:36<sney>!broken in sid
16:36<dpkg>Well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. See <sid>, <break>.
16:36<doubledutch>...I don't know why my password would be incorrect, though I do know that the failure to start XORG etc would be caused by me not having nVidia drivers for 2.6.37.
16:36<that>there is documentation on saving a password
16:37<that>and creating one
16:37<mikko>Greetins everyone.
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16:37<sney>it is probably a keymap failure, try creating a new user with a weak password like "hello" and see if you can log in as them when you're running 2.6.37
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16:37<mikko>Is there any software for distribute software installation from one machine to many machines?
16:38<doubledutch>sney; I am running Wheezy and was advised to update sources.list and install 2.6.37 from Sid then just update it back to Wheezy.
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16:38<that>you would need to set the mirror to the ip of the machine with the software
16:38<sney>doubledutch: ... ok, you didn't need to use sid sources to do that, but still - you're running a kernel from unstable.
16:40<sney>so, it's going to be a bit wobbly, at least. anyway, try the weak password user to see if the keymap is what's giving you an incorrect pw error
16:40<mikko>That, ok, but is there software which allows me to chose from one machine that install application X on 10 workstations.
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16:40<mikko>Without me having to install the application manually to 10 machines.
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16:42<that>I, myself, am not aware others may be
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16:42<that>you need to do it physically/manually whether from the server or clients
16:42<justin__>Well, hopefully, sid works on my machine
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16:44<doubledutch>sney; created new user with password of 1 alphabetic character, still cannot log in as either user due to "Wrong password."
16:45<doubledutch>It is one thing that I've noticed - after being prompted by Google searches - is that keyboard NumLock, CapsLock, ScrollLock are not responding with toggle lights --- interesting because I CAN type out the username at the logon prompt.
16:46<mikko>That, thanks. I haven't found anything by googling.
16:46<mikko>It seems scripting is the only way.
16:46<doubledutch>...when I choose the 2.6.32-5 kernel at boot, I get to the graphical logon and have toggle lights before xorg is even initialized.
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16:47<justin__>Why did you switch to 2.6.37 then if you have debian wheezy?
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16:48<doubledutch>justin__; Found a bug in 2.6.32-5 when plugging in my USB Flash Drive (was unformatted) to any of my 4 USB ports... was told that upgrading Kernel would 99%-likely resolve this issue.
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16:48<doubledutch>lsusb showed the drive, but dmesg revealed presence of a bug when USB plugged in.
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16:54<justin__>Ima cross my fingers
16:54<justin__>And hope that my computer works.
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16:55<ceipha>amphi, you will laugh...
16:56<ceipha>.xsession-errors is full again, although it is symlinked to /dev/null. I give up.
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16:57<ceipha>That's just fucking impossible.
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17:03<sney>doubledutch: compare the configurations of 2.6.32 and 2.6.37 side by side, maybe that will help you find where the problem lies.
17:04<zylt>are you people banning connection via tor all of a sudden?
17:04<sney>not that I've noticed
17:04<sney>though I don't see either of the argentine secret agents so it is possible. ask in #oftc
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17:05<zylt>sney: it's just this channel, when connected to the hidden server it says i'm banned
17:05<sney>huh, indeed, *!*@* is banned
17:05<sney>themill did it
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17:06<sney>there was probably a troll flood or something, unfortunately tor isn't always used by the good guys
17:06<zylt>sney: or it's an act of solidarity with ghaddafi?
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17:07<sney>ha! unlikely
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17:07<zylt>anyways, i'm trying to figure out how to get the newest version of pidgin to install on squeeze in a painless way
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17:08<sney>judd: versions pidgin
17:08<judd>Package pidgin on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze1; sid: 2.7.9-2; wheezy: 2.7.9-2
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17:08<sney>if the sid version is new enough, your best bet is probably ssb
17:08<zylt>squeeze is still stuck on 2.7.3 as you see
17:09<zylt>yeah, 2.7.9 is ok
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17:09<sney>and if the ssb works well, you can see about submitting it to backports, to give others the option
17:10<zylt>i'm new to debian packaging...what is ssb?
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17:10<justin__>And yes, i'm back.
17:10<justin__>It works.
17:10<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
17:11<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>.
17:11<sney>justin__: to prevent spamming the channel with dpkg factoids, try /msg dpkg
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17:12<zylt>sney: this is the place to look for the howto?
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17:13<justin__>So, if I want to install a package
17:13<sney>zylt: well,
17:14<justin__>I do "sudo apt-get -t squeeze-backports "pkg name""?
17:14<justin__>Oh, sorry, I forgot the install in that
17:14<justin__>So, that is what I do?
17:14<sney>zylt: but there isn't much in squeeze-backports yet, which is why I suggested ssb. dpkg's instructions up there cover the whole thing
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17:14<sney>justin__: backports has a super low priority by default, so you don't need to manage it with -t
17:15<justin__>I can't just regularly do "sudo aptitude install "pkg-nme""?
17:15<sney>you can do that.
17:15<justin__>But, this is why I said that
17:15<sney>unless they changed it
17:15<justin__>Because, I can't install most packages
17:15<justin__>Unless it is on backports, or I do ssb
17:15<sney>oh, I guess it does want you to use -t now.
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17:16<sney>justin__: well, heh, you created that situation. #debian can't support accidental squeeze/sid blends
17:16<rolnikov>hi, has anyone encountered a problem with ctrl+C while booting debian after last update ?
17:16<sney>er, wheezy/sid
17:16<sney>rolnikov: in squeeze?
17:16<justin__>No, squeeze/sid
17:16<rolnikov>sney, yes
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17:17<sney>testing now... nope, ^C works normally to interrupt ping, at least
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17:17<SynrG>wait, ctrl-C *while* booting why?
17:18<rolnikov>yeah, it works normally, but not while booting
17:18<rolnikov>SynrG, yep
17:18<SynrG>it depends on context.
17:18<rolnikov>and i'm not the only one who has that problem
17:18<zylt>sney: hm, tried this but it says pidgin is already newest version
17:18<rolnikov>SynrG, espessialy while dhclient is trying to get IP
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17:19<sney>zylt: ...yes, there is no pidgin in squeeze-backports yet. you need to follow the instructions to build it yourself from the sid sources.
17:19<justin__>So, now, if I want to go back to wheezy
17:19<justin__>Install Squeeze, then change source to Wheezy
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17:19<zylt>sney: aha...
17:19<sney>justin__: no, just install wheezy.
17:20<justin__>But, my wireless-card requires firmware
17:20<rolnikov>has anyone any idea ?
17:20<SynrG>rolnikov: it would send a SIGINT. it's not guaranteed to interrupt
17:20<SynrG>it might be caught and discarded
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17:20<sney>justin__: keep scrolling down
17:20<justin__>I know that already.
17:20<rolnikov>ok, but it was working until last update ;p
17:21<justin__>But, this requires me to redownload 600+ mb now, again
17:21<justin__>Damn it, I will wait then.
17:21<SynrG>rolnikov: by "working" you mean "doing what you want it to do". i wouldn't say it's a problem that it doesn't do what you want it to do if it's an undocumented behaviour
17:21<justin__>Ok, so, where is CD Image One
17:21<SynrG>what is the real problem?
17:21<zylt>zylt: instructions to be found where exactly? also, when i googled it suggested pinning instead
17:22<SynrG>if you don't want network to come up at boot, don't configure it to come up at boot
17:22<SynrG>bring it up some other way
17:22<unyes>I'm having trouble mounting a partition labelled as "linux_raid_member". I tried "mdadm --assemble --scan", but that doesn't start the array I'm trying to mount.
17:22<sney>zylt: the instructions listed by dpkg previously, and now sent to you
17:22<unyes>Can anyone help me with that problem?
17:22<justin__>Is there a CD-Image 1 that has GNOME?
17:22<SynrG>maybe you want to use NetworkManager or so if the presence of a working network at boot is not reliable
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17:23<sney>justin__: the default cd1 has gnome
17:23<justin__>Where is it?
17:23<justin__>There is nothing related to a CD1 in the Wheezy install page?
17:23<SynrG>rolnikov: but using ^C to interrupt it is a hack at best
17:23<rolnikov>SynrG, that was my 2nd question - does starting network at boot process is criticaly some way? Or I can run it from any place - autostart of kde/fluxbox ?
17:24<SynrG>rolnikov: for a laptop, it is quite normal to not have 'auto eth0' or 'auto wlan0' in /etc/network/interfaces ...
17:24<SynrG>rolnikov: in fact, it's quite normal not to have anything there at all
17:24<justin__>Sney, thank you.
17:24<sney>justin__: I don't know why those aren't linked on the d-i devel page, so be warned, they may be broken. netinst would be safer.
17:25<SynrG>rolnikov: you could just use network-manager-kde or wicd or whatever and have it manage the network for you
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17:25<justin__>Yes, but, I cannot connect to the network at ALL.
17:25<justin__>I have no ethernet cable
17:25<justin__>I only have a router, and my computer to connect to the internet
17:25<rolnikov>SynrG, hmm you are right ... i'll change it and test.
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17:26<justin__>I can connect, on my computer, but after installing things.
17:26<SynrG>rolnikov: the ifupdown process guarantees that any network start actions that are needed get triggered by the network coming up
17:26<rolnikov>i dont use any network manageers ;p
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17:26<SynrG>by means of hooks
17:26<justin__>On the debian install - I cannot connect to anything.
17:27<sney>justin__: did you try including the firmware?
17:27<justin__>I did.
17:27<justin__>It cannot scan any networks.
17:27<justin__>During the installation of any Debian system (Debian-based is fine though)
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17:27<sney>mine needs firwmare as well, it couldn't scan for my network but when I gave it the essid it associated and worked from there on out
17:27<justin__>It will not do that.
17:28<justin__>Also, I forgot to tell you, my network is wpa secured.
17:28<sney>yeah, that can get in the way of things
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17:28<SynrG>justin__: try for a wired install then
17:28<sney>well, the weekly build might be fine
17:28<justin__>I have no wired install
17:28<SynrG>justin__: or an install with no network
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17:28<SynrG>you can fix up the network afterwards.
17:28<justin__>SynrG - I can't do that with netinst
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17:28<SynrG>sure you can
17:28<sney>he's got a busted sid thing right now, SynrG, because he's done that before - but he wants to reinstall straight to wheezy
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17:29<justin__>I only end up with a console - and I could configure it manually
17:29<SynrG>netinst includes a base system
17:29<justin__>But it would take a day.
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17:29<justin__>And I don't have that kind of time on my hands.
17:29<SynrG>then you're using the wrong install image
17:29<SynrG>wpa support is a goal for wheezy
17:29<justin__>That is why I asked for the link to wheezy CD1
17:29<rolnikov>Ok, the 2nd problem are "lags" of bash ... when I for example erase whole comand holding backspace, and immedetly after that start to write something, I have to wait about2-3 seconds to bash print it. Its not problem with emulator (Konsole) - i tried also xterm, and nothing changed.
17:29<SynrG>(during install)
17:29<SynrG>justin__: right. that would work.
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17:30<justin__>So after installing wheezy, I could configure everything again
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17:30<justin__>Get a bit more stable version of Debian
17:30<justin__>And, after doing that
17:30<SynrG>i'm not sure what the status of wheezy images is
17:30<justin__>...well, I do what I normally do, I do stuff.
17:31<justin__>Sid is working fine - the problem is, the packages
17:31<SynrG> anyway
17:31<sney>netinst works, apparently, but the weeklies are a mystery
17:31<justin__>I hate how I have to recompile almost everything just to install packages
17:31<SynrG>dunno what images are there ...
17:31<justin__>If they are not on debian-backports
17:31<rolnikov>Sometimes, also when I "scroll" up and down last commands, few firts letter dont refresh, and i can not erese it until i press enter and get a new line
17:31<SynrG>i don't think they start building full sets until later
17:32<SynrG>it's kinda early in the wheezy development cycle
17:32<justin__>Be right back.
17:33<justin__>I'll come back later.
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17:35<justin__>Now then, back to the thing about cdimages
17:35<justin__>Ok, so, you guys are saying I shoudn't download it, but I could try it?
17:35<justin__>I would rather just install squeeze then change the repo to wheezy
17:35<sney>yeah, you know, maybe at this point it would be better to do that
17:35<justin__>So, I can
17:35<justin__>Reinstall squeeze
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17:35<SynrG>ah, jigdo ...
17:36<justin__>Change repo to wheezy
17:36<SynrG> seems to have images
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17:36<SynrG>Official jigdo files for the testing distribution
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17:36<sney>justin__: yep, and don't forget to install apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs
17:36<justin__>Ok then
17:36<justin__>But before that
17:36<justin__>*a little bathroom break*
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17:39<SynrG>rolnikov: as for the lag and the letters not refreshing, dunno. strange.
17:39<SynrG>use 'top' and check for out of control processes?
17:40<SynrG>check /var/log/syslog and look for errors?
17:40-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
17:40-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*@*] by themill
17:40-!-mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill
17:41<sney>themill: flood control, right?
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17:43<rolnikov>SynrG, thanks for advices. I have this problem for a long time, and have never noticed any strange entries in syslog or top
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17:43<rolnikov>when i run dash from bash it works normally
17:43<justin__>Now, i'm back.
17:43<justin__>Ok, so remember this
17:44<justin__>When I go back on a different computer
17:44<justin__>A. I might just need a little help
17:44<justin__>that's all
17:44<justin__>Ok, signing off now, wish me luck.
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17:49<rolnikov>Ok, that seems to have something common with xset r rate :)
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17:52<justin__>Now, i'm back
17:52<justin__>I'm not done yet though
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17:52<justin__>So, should I install wpa_supplicant after installing debian 6.0.0?
17:53<amphi>ceipha: hahaha
17:55<ceipha>amphi, you laugh, I am going crazy, I always thought it was a joke, about filled up /dev/null. Maybe I did something wrong. I'm going to sleep.
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17:55<streuner_>justin__: better read wireless howto use at
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17:56<justin__>I have to go now.
17:56<amphi>ceipha: I think you must have… what does ls -l ~/.xsession-errors say?
17:56<streuner_>good luck
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17:57<ceipha>Actually, it says "-rw-r--r-- 1 staspika staspika 27G Feb 20 23:56 /home/staspika/.xsession-errors" now, after I have restarted the machine. That's what I was saying, the file is surely being initialized on restart.
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17:58<Alphawolf>hi there
17:59<ceipha>amphi, so it seems to be a more difficult case for me: how to prevent the system to fully re-write the file and its node.
18:00<ceipha>amphi, I did symlinked it before restart, and I saw it was symlinked.
18:00<ramnet>ceipha: chattr +i
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18:01<ceipha>ramnet, god point, thanks!
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18:01<ceipha>amphi, have you made a hard or a symbolic link?
18:02<Alphawolf>is there a way to get the latest thunderbird build as icedove into my squeeze? :)
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18:03<ceipha>amphi, same here. Ok, I'll give it another try tomorrow. Will tell how it went, if I don't forget. amphi, ramnet, thanks.
18:03<amphi>ceipha: good luck
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18:05<Alphawolf>ping? o.o
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18:09<Alphawolf>see ya later :
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18:12<ComradeHaz`>Hi all, whenever initramfs updates I get the error "W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw for module r8169". Have done for months. Doesn't seem to stack exactly with reports such as
18:12<ComradeHaz`>Can anyone advise/
18:12<ComradeHaz`>Running 'unstable' by the way :)
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18:13<mc68040>ComradeHaz`: its in package firmware-realtek (non-free)
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18:14<ComradeHaz`>thanks mc68040
18:14<ComradeHaz`>ooi, what should I have searched for (google wise) to establish that?!
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18:15<themill>apt-file is your friend
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18:16<ramnet>i've been getting that for ages but everything seems to still work so :) you have to see if you're actually missing anything or not
18:16<ComradeHaz`>o.O How so, themill?
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18:16<justin__>So, all I have to do in sources.list
18:16<justin__>Is add this line : "deb http://*url* wheezy main contrib non-free
18:16<justin__>Is that all I have to do?
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18:16<ComradeHaz`>ramnet: yeah, no apparent issues, just annoying!
18:16<themill>apt-file search /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw
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18:17<ramnet>if all the devices you use are working i'd just disregard it instead of installing non-free extra stuff you don't need :)
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18:17<ComradeHaz`>hmm, thanks themill that looks useful.
18:17<themill>ComradeHaz`: there's a good chance that your hardware doesn't need that firmware. All the checking script does is look to see if the modules you currently have loaded *can* use firmware
18:18<themill>dpkg: tell ComradeHaz` about apt-file
18:18<ComradeHaz`>Cheers :)
18:18<themill>happy hunting
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18:20<justin__>So, I just add deb wheezy main to sources.list?
18:21<themill>dpkg: tell justin__ about squeeze->wheezy
18:21<edbian>My system does not seem to have vol_id in it. What package provides vol_id
18:23<themill>edbian: that used to be part of udev but is no longer
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18:24<justin__>Well, when should it be good to upgrade to wheezy?
18:24<SynrG>apt-file search is good for that
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18:24<SynrG>edbian: ^^
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18:26<themill>justin__: you might want to leave it until you really understand debian packages and are wanting to participate in the development process. Perhaps wait a year or so.
18:26<justin__>As in...
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18:26<edbian>For those who are curious, it's in fai-setup-storage
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18:27<themill>edbian: that's unlikely to be what you really want
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18:27<SynrG>edbian: well, that's a partial match only
18:27<SynrG>edbian: is that actually the same tool?
18:27<edbian>that's the only thing that apt-file found
18:28<SynrG>so apparently it's gone (which is what someone else said anyway ... i was just pointing out how to answer this question on your own)
18:28<edbian>So how can I find out the UUIDs of my partitions?
18:29<dpkg>[uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire.
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18:29<edbian>well that was easy :)
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18:31<edbian>thanks for the help
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18:32<ethan>why doesnt google earth load on my linux
18:32<justin__>Wait, I want to track stable, so I don
18:32<justin__>Well, so, do I change all my lines that say "squeeze" to "stable"?
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18:33<sney>no, use the codename
18:33<sney>I mean, for the time being it doesn't matter
18:33<sney>but once wheezy is released, if your sources.list had 'stable' in it, you'd be automatically thrust into wheezy, whether that was a good idea or not.
18:33<sney>having 'stable' in a lenny sources.list on the squeeze release date would have resulted in a broken OS, for instance.
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18:34<justin__>So, e.g., when wheezy comes out
18:34<justin__>I can just replace ALL of the names that say "squeeze"
18:34<justin__>With "wheezy"
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18:35<edbian>Why was he kicked?
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18:35<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
18:36<justin__>Wow, that is very strange. No-wonder why I got kicked.
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18:36<justin__>Be right back.
18:36<sney>when wheezy comes out there will likely be easy upgrade instructions for you to follow, but yes, it will follow some form of changing sources.list and doing dist-upgrade
18:36<that>Who programs dpkg?
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18:37<sney>that: I'm not sure who maintains the bot, but anyone can make/edit responses
18:37<themill>dpkg, what are you
18:38<dpkg>I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>.
18:38<that>is dpkg stable?
18:38<sney>not usually
18:38<themill>that: no, dpkg is crazed psychopath.
18:38<sney>predictable, though.
18:38<that>dpkg: How many lines of code in the NetBSD generic kernel?
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18:38<dpkg>i haven't a clue, that
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18:39<that>dpkg: Why is mozilla not supporting PPC?
18:39<dpkg>that: what are you talking about?
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18:39<dpkg>Please stop fondling my database in public! I have some degree of modesty, you know. If you want to look for factoids, ask me in a /msg, for example, /msg dpkg bot help
18:40<that>My favorite dpkg command is dpkg -i *.deb, dpkg
18:40<sney>dpkg -i brain
18:40*dpkg installs brain into sney's head with a bone saw and a few screws
18:40<cthuluh>it shouldn't
18:41<sney>thanks, I needed that
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18:42<that>On a serious note: has there been a project similar to vinux for debian
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18:43<dpkg>Vinux is a Live CD distribution for visually impaired users, based on Debian Lenny (as of version 2.0). It is supplied with non-free software (multimedia codecs, wireless LAN device firmware) and has the Debian Multimedia, Backports and Proposed Updates repositories enabled by default. It is not supported in #debian. See also <based on Debian>.
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18:46<gudnplenny>is there a program that will convert ogg to mp3? ive seen a bunch that go the other way... trying to push music onto an audio player
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18:53<sney>gudnplenny: convert ogg -> wav -> mp3 should be easier to find
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18:54<abrotman>wtf .. why?
18:55<argkde4>is there a way to determine the date of the *previous* apt-get update?
18:55<gudnplenny>sney: type that in synaptic's search?
18:55<abrotman>argkde4: there are logs in /var/log/
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18:57<gudnplenny>thanks for the suggestion sney
18:57<gudnplenny>will try
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18:58<argkde4>abrotman: hmm. var/log/dpkg* i guess?
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19:00<abrotman>good start
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19:02<argkde4>seems to only contain info about package changes, i'm looking for the date the list of available packages was updated
19:02<abrotman>oh /var/lib/apt/lists/ or something like that perhaps?
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19:05<argkde4>i guess maybe the dates on the files in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial
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19:08<argkde4>abrotman: thanks
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19:41<PovAddict>how do I get a Debian system to assign itself a link-local address?
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19:46<jhutchins_lt>PovAddict: You mean the ipv6 thing?
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19:46<jhutchins_lt>PovAddict: Or the Microsoft fake networking?
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19:54<K6ORJ>Anyone know where the icons are located for nautilus?
19:54<zylt>hm, when i installed the auctex package emacs decided to start a root process that's not eating up 50% of my cpu and won't is up with that? i feel like i'm using windows
19:55<zylt>not -> noW
19:55<sney>/usr/share/pixmaps ?
19:55<zylt>ok, now i lost it...still, what was up with that?
19:56<K6ORJ>KDE made it too easy in Gnome you have to know where things are!
19:57<abrotman>you do?
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20:02<arand>Trying to make a deb which simply moves files, I need to unzip one of these, how could I do that in debian/rules?
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20:02<SynrG>arand: see #debian-mentors
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20:08<K6ORJ>are there other locations for icons The "File Browser" icon is not in /usr/share/pixmaps The one for nautilus it ugly!
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20:11<arand>SynrG: Seems mibbit and tor are banned from #debian-mentors/oftc, and my dear university blocks 6667 :(
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20:17<trench>arand: If you use SSL to connect to our network (ports 6697 and 9999)
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20:21<arand>trench: As far as I know those ports are blocked as well, how would I tell for sure?
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20:24<abrotman>arand: telnet?
20:24<K6ORJ>is true and yes interchangeable in samba or is true the old way of saying yes or does it matter? And most important why did they need to change it?
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20:25<K6ORJ>Darn flash lockup!
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20:25<K6ORJ>restart pandora!
20:26<cinix2>When I try to run vlc I get vlc: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. I'm using the latest security release of vlc, but I also tried to downgrade to the last version that I thought worked and the problem persists. That file exists in no debian package I can find, how do I know if the problem is really linked to vlc, or if that's a symptom?
20:26<arand>abrotman: So just "telnet 6697"?
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20:28<cinix2>I know I can type ldd /usr/bin/vlc to see the shared dependencies, does that mean it occurred during compiling though? Or could I have broke it somewhere else.
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20:29<ramnet>arand: don't telnet to irc unless you know exactly what you're doing :)
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20:31<abrotman>ramnet: considering he would have to negotiate the ssl by hand .. i don't think he'll get very far
20:32<arand>I get "telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out" this indicative of it being blocked off?
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20:35<ckbachman>is there really any difference between iceweasel and firefox?
20:38<cinix2>ckbachman: as far as browsing the web I have not noticed a difference. As far as stability and security,I'm not sure
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20:38<ckbachman>cinix2: I haven't noticed anything different either, was just curious.
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20:39<cthuluh>dpkg: tell ckbachman -about why iceweasel
20:39<cinix2>I wondered the same thing about google chrome and chromium
20:40<ckbachman>cinix2: not that big of a fan of either to be honest.
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20:41<ckbachman>thanks cthuluh
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20:44<ckbachman>not much activity going on the as of lately I guess people are taking a break?
20:45<trench>arand - test?
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20:46<trench>or talk to an admin to open a port on a ircd?
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20:50<arand_>trench: I'm alive
20:50<arand_>trench: seems 7000 works, so I'm happy.
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21:06<winsen>hello everybody, please, can you tell me if " wpa (TKIP+AES) = WPA2 or WPA ? "
21:07<fredrick>can i install debian like wubi?
21:07<fredrick>through wubi**
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21:09<winsen>hello everybody, please, can you tell me if " wpa (TKIP+AES) = WPA2 or WPA ? "
21:10<fredrick>I'm pretty sure we all heard you the first time, winsen :s
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21:11<winsen><fredrick>hello man, i hope thanks
21:12<winsen><fredrick>maybe you get the answer?
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21:59<dEhiN>Hi, I'm wondering where I can get security updates for stable? I'm in canada, and using deb stable/updates main contrib non-free
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22:00<dEhiN>But I'm getting an error: Release file expired
22:00<dEhiN>What other apt source can I use to get stable security updates?
22:01<sid__>you can also use e.g for DE mirror; many universitys does also privide mirrors
22:01<sid__>or de2
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22:10<rakhin>hi can anyone help me
22:10<dondelelcaro>rakhin: ask your questoin
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22:16<rakhin>i downloaded backtrack 4 r2 and ir does not detect my wireless card..
22:16<rakhin>what do i do
22:17<sney>start by actually going to the backtrack4 channel.
22:17<rakhin>ok cool..
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22:17<sney>he's probably using it in a vm anyway
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22:19<montyboy>sney, for some reason your response made me lol
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22:20<sney>dEhiN: my local university mirror did the Release file expired error as well; I switched to which I believe dynamically picks a mirror based on ping response
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22:21<abrotman>not quite ..
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22:22<abrotman>!geo sources.list
22:22<dpkg>To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from An example line for your sources.list is "deb squeeze main". See for more information, or ask me about <sources.list>. Don't use this with Google DNS or similar.
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22:22<sney>abrotman: well, sometimes it gives me and sometimes it gives me
22:22<abrotman>it's geo-ip .. those both sound close :)
22:23<sney>they're about 1500 miles apart, roughly
22:23<sney>possibly more
22:23<abrotman>but where are you ?
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22:24<ramnet>canada i suspect
22:24<sney>calgary. I vastly prefer the ucalgary mirror since it consistently gives me full speed apt downloads, but sometimes I may ping better to ontario
22:24<abrotman>i go tthat part :)
22:24<ramnet>that's why network wise they'd be close
22:24<abrotman>i already knew he was in cannuckistan
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22:25<ramnet>international links are fewer than domestic links every time - geo-wise it doesn't matter if there is no network line there
22:26<abrotman>sney: the 'ping
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22:26<abrotman>sney: the 'ping' theory doesn' treally make sense
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22:30<sortadi>hi there
22:31<sortadi>I have a AMD Phenom X4 965 PC, with 4 MB of DDR2 RAM, should I install i386 or AMD64?
22:31<syndicate>debian fits in 4MB?
22:32<sney>either one will work, but only amd64 will recognize all of your RAM
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22:32<syndicate>yes, use amd64
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22:32<sid__>x4 is amd64
22:32<sney>if only all the questions we get were that easy
22:32<dpkg>For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, if you have a <x86-64> processor, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need bigmem.
22:33<sortadi>4 GB
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22:33<montyboy>sortadi, OR depending on what you wish to do, use i386 and get a PAE kern
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22:33<sney>ah yes, bigmem... but amd64 is plenty stable these days, with usage figures fast approaching those of i386
22:34<sortadi>thanks guys
22:34<abrotman>if i were making a workstation and were intending to use binary-only software, i'd still go i386
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22:34<nevyn>PAE is horrific
22:34<abrotman>it still exists
22:34<sortadi>abrotman, that's one of my issues
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22:34<sortadi>what's PAE?
22:34<montyboy>sney, but items like adobe air, pandora, skype - desktop stuff is still more easily accomplished on i386
22:34<dpkg>Physical Address Extension (PAE) refers to a feature of x86 and x86-64 processors that allows more than 4 gibibytes (GiB) of physical memory to be used in 32-bit systems, given appropriate operating system support. The Linux kernel supports PAE starting from 2.6.x. It has full PAE support, enabling access of up to 64 GiB of memory on 32-bit machines. Ask me about <bigmem>.
22:35<sortadi>abrotman, I'm between performance and package availabilyt there
22:35*abrotman thought pandora was in flash
22:35<montyboy>bigmem is PAE
22:35<montyboy>abrotman, Pandora One*
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22:36<sortadi>sid__, would gentoo be a much better option, then?
22:37<sney>you'd have the same issues re: proprietary software compatibility
22:37<syndicate>amd64 is a safe bet
22:37<syndicate>you can still run i386 software
22:37<nevyn>syndicate: not if you want proprietary applications.
22:37<nevyn>syndicate: try running something like skype on amd64 it's horrible.
22:37<sney>though, I have amd64 on my desktop and I haven't run into any "oh darn, I can't run that" situations
22:37<syndicate>i see
22:37<nevyn>sney: I have it on my laptop and have.
22:38<sid__>sortadi, its a great OS; but unless you know exactly what you are using and you have time, it is no option
22:38<syndicate>so ia32-libs can't handle something like skype?
22:38<sortadi>sid__, no time at all, atm
22:38<sortadi>so the thing is
22:38<nevyn>syndicate: I havn't yet got it working I keep hitting problems with
22:39<sortadi>1.- i386 has "better" application scope, but needes bigmem thing to handle more than 3 GBs
22:39<syndicate>i must be lucky to be able to live only with free software
22:39<sid__>sortadi, and you get paid for it :-)
22:39<sortadi>2.- AMD64 handles the 4GBS with no hazzle, but has lesser app space
22:39<nevyn>sortadi: these points only really apply to proprietary apps.
22:40<nevyn>all the free stuff works great.
22:40<sney>and yes, 64-bit binary size is *slightly* bigger, but it's not a size difference you will notice in the real world
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22:40<sortadi>nevyn, In this case I won't be needing critical propietary apps, just some emulation through Wine
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22:41<sney>then amd64 is your ticket. wine works very well and has 32-bit compat packages
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22:41<nevyn>sney: binary size srsly anyone cares about that anymore?
22:41<sney>well, he referred to it in his second point, so I wanted to clarify
22:41<sortadi>I would be emulating a propietary app, Corel Draw 12
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22:41<sortadi>and I think MS Office 2007
22:41<sortadi>(user needs)
22:41<sortadi>and Wine handles them quite well
22:41<sortadi>but on i386
22:42<sney> has good compatibility with MS Office formats anyway (except anything Outlook related)
22:42<sortadi>sney, publisher is the issue
22:42<sney>I keep forgetting that's considered part of the Office suite
22:42<sortadi>sney, they are a graphics design house and some people handles stuff done in publisher
22:42<sney>fair enough
22:43<sortadi>they want linux for the stability
22:43<sortadi>but still keep those clients
22:43<sortadi>but you tell me wine is doing good on MAMD64
22:44<sney>anyway, wine on amd64 + ia32 compat stuff is functionally identical to wine on i386
22:44<sortadi>oh lord
22:44<syndicate>well, thanks for the info, nevyn. i'll keep this in mind if i'm in such situation
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22:45<sortadi>sney, and the actual sensation of smoothness between a 32-bit distro and a 54-bit one running on a 64-bit Hardware with 4 GBs of ram is sensible?
22:46<dondelelcaro>depends on what you're doing
22:46<sortadi>dondelelcaro, some really basic graphics design
22:46<sney>yes, it's better without the memory paging, but at only 4GB you likely won't encounter that anyway since it's only a difference of a couple hundred MB
22:47<sortadi>sney, elaborate a little bit more on that, please
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22:47<tator>hello room
22:47<dEhiN>hello tator
22:47<sortadi>sney, memory paging is worse in 64-bit than in 32-bit distros?
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22:47<dondelelcaro>when you're trying to access 12G in a single process, 64bit is the only way to go
22:47<sney>memory paging is worse with PAE than it is with native addressing
22:47<sortadi>sney, because I think I experienced that once
22:47<sney>sortadi: you had it backwards.
22:47<sortadi>I see
22:47<dEhiN>sortadi: I would think the other way - 32-bit is worse
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22:48<sortadi>sney, I got this situation once. I have an AMD sempron 64 laptop with 1 GB RAM, and I had it running AMD64 for a while
22:49<kop>dEhiN: No matter what you do you'll have to copy it into a lv, so it really does not matter. Those are the traditional partitions and exist that way for a reason (see <fhs>) so there's no reason not to have cooresponding lvs.
22:49<kop>dEhiN: (vis, yesterday's question.)
22:49<sortadi>sney, the performance was evidently not satisfactory
22:49<sortadi>sney, I'm now using i386 and it goes a lot better
22:50<dEhiN>kop: thanks, but I ended up deleting the vm and reinstalling fresh using the lvm and manually partitioning during the install
22:50<sney>that's probably due to something else
22:50<sortadi>sney, for some rason memory paging was big under 64-bit
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22:50<sortadi>sney, and I got to check that with htop
22:50<dEhiN>sortadi: could it be because you only had 1GB ram? maybe 64-bit oses work better with more mem?
22:51<sortadi>dEhiN, I think so
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22:51<DrSampler>i run amd64 kernel, and have only 768mb of ram
22:52<DrSampler>system works perfectly
22:52<sortadi>DrSampler, on which procesor?
22:52<DrSampler>amd athlon64 3000+
22:52<DrSampler>its single-core
22:52<sortadi>DrSampler, hmm
22:52<dEhiN>hmm, then @sortadi maybe it was another issue
22:53<sortadi>what do you guys think it could be?
22:53<sortadi>It was Debian AMD64
22:53<DrSampler>whats your problem sortadi
22:53<DrSampler>tell us
22:53<dEhiN>did any of the physical hardware change b/w installing amd64 and i386?
22:53<sortadi>dEhiN, not at all
22:54<dEhiN>so when you say performance not satisfactory, explain
22:54<sortadi>DrSampler, well my actual problem is that I just got this AMD Phenom X4 965 with 4 GBs of RAM PC, and I'm trying to figure out which version of Debian to install
22:54<dEhiN>go with amd64
22:54<sortadi>dEhiN, it was taking swap space with no evident reason
22:55<sortadi>it had around 512 MBs of SWAP
22:55<dEhiN>maybe rogue process?
22:55<sortadi>and the 1 GB of physical
22:55<sortadi>dEhiN, what's rogue?
22:55<dEhiN>how much activity were you doing? multiple users?
22:55<sortadi>dEhiN, nope, but mutiple tasks
22:55<dEhiN>a process that was taking more mem than it should have (due to bad code, etc.)
22:55<sortadi>it could be
22:56<sortadi>Google Chrome
22:56<sortadi>Flash stuff
22:56<dEhiN>unless the flash stuff was caching a lot
22:56<sortadi>and that's still being an issue with the i386, but not that much as when AMD64
22:56<dEhiN>so the overall system is slow when you run chrome and flash?
22:56<sortadi>in both cases
22:57<sortadi>but much more when it was under 64 bit
22:57<dEhiN>then it's an issue with chrome/flash combo
22:57<dEhiN>that's probably not an os thing, but an app thing
22:57<sortadi>well that's just to mention some of the stuff that got cluttered
22:57<sortadi>including Firefox/Iceweasel
22:57<sortadi>dEhiN, fair enough
22:57<dEhiN>hmm, weird though
22:58<dEhiN>did it only seem to slow down when running a browser?
22:58<sortadi>Firefox/Iceweasel/Chrome when operating with lots of tabs and some flash stuff
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22:58<sortadi>dEhiN, and whrn running, for example, for one or two straight days
22:59<dEhiN>I think it was somehow a software issue above the os level
22:59<sortadi>dEhiN, sometines this laptop has been on for 3 days, and it gets laggy
22:59<sortadi>and I have to restart
22:59<dEhiN>hard to say
22:59<sortadi>maybe the hardware its not that good
22:59<sortadi>it's a compaq presario F700
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22:59<sortadi>effective but not that sophisticated hardware
23:00<dEhiN>next time your system slows down after running straight days, try killing/quitting uneccessary apps
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23:00<dEhiN>so you just have the basic core processes running
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23:00<dEhiN>then try running one or two simple processes
23:00<syndicate>that sort of thing happens to me too. i have an amd64 cpu with 4GB RAM with debian amd64 and vanilla linux 2.6.37. whenever i start a vm in virtualbox (with only 512 MB mem), it will start swapping like hell and i can see numerous 'page allocation failure' message in dmesg
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23:01<syndicate>for now, i just disable the swap
23:01<dEhiN>sydicate: do you have a dynamic or fixed vdi?
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23:01<syndicate>the page allocation failure message still appears
23:01<syndicate>but with no swap, no thrashing happens
23:01<syndicate>fixed vdi
23:01<sortadi>on that matter
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23:01<sortadi>it's dynamic better than fixed?
23:02<sortadi>when using VBox?
23:02<dEhiN>depends...I find fixed better
23:02<sortadi>dEhiN, on which sense?
23:02<sortadi>I see
23:02<sortadi>i use VBox a lot
23:02<sortadi>I forgot to say
23:03<sortadi>and I have sort of that issue that syndicate is talking about
23:03<dEhiN>I'm having much better performance on a fixed vdi on a usb drive than a dynamic on an internal ide!
23:03<dEhiN>swap thrashing?
23:03<dEhiN>@sortadi @syndicate what is your host os?
23:03<sortadi>well, dunno what swap thrashing actually means, but Virtual memory levels on HTOP go cvrazy
23:04<syndicate>host os is debian squeeze
23:04<sortadi>dEhiN, in my case Windows XP
23:04<syndicate>does't matter what guest os i'm using
23:04<sortadi>syndicate, same here
23:04<sortadi>of course
23:05<sortadi>If I'm running a VM hosting Debian Squeeze with just rhe base system it's not that evidenyt
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23:05<sortadi>the base system
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23:06<dEhiN>and both of you are running the latest Virtual Box?
23:06<syndicate>perhaps i should try adjusting /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
23:06<montyboy>syndicate, exactly
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23:07<sortadi>kop, thanks, hahaha that describes me in some way
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23:07<dEhiN>syndicate, I don't have any exp running vbox on a linux host
23:07<syndicate>i see
23:07<syndicate>but i think it's kind of weird that if i disable swap
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23:08<syndicate>i still get page allocation failure msgs
23:08<dEhiN>you disble swap in host or vm?
23:08<syndicate>in the host
23:08<sortadi>syndicate, have you tested your RAM modules?
23:08<dEhiN>I mean guest
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23:08<syndicate>memtest find nothing at all
23:08<sortadi>oh sorry
23:08<sortadi>I said my host was WinXP
23:09<sortadi>that's my guest
23:09<sortadi>host is Debian Sid/Experimental
23:09<syndicate>that's my vbox version
23:10<sortadi>I have 4.0.0
23:10<sortadi>haven't uograded yet
23:10<sortadi>of course, it's not OSE
23:10<sortadi>it's the Oracle one
23:10<dEhiN>could it be an issue with vbxo on a linux host?
23:10<dEhiN>that seems to be the only common thing b/w both of you
23:11<syndicate>sortadi, what kernel version do you use?
23:11<sortadi>Linux yuca 2.6.37-1-686 #1 SMP Tue Feb 15 18:21:50 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
23:11<syndicate>i think this happens since i use 2.6.36
23:12<kop>sortadi: If it's not ose then it's not supported here, although someone may be able to help with the Debian side of things. But if your running sid, well, sid breaks and is not supported here either. (You may be interested in for ways to run newer stuff on stable.)
23:12<syndicate>i have not tried using the squeeze 2.6.32
23:12<sortadi>syndicate, in my case it happens since some time ago
23:12<dEhiN>join #vbox on
23:12<syndicate>i see
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23:12<sortadi>kop, take it easy man, where just debating here
23:12<dEhiN>syndicate and sortadi, discuss your issues on the vbox channel; they'll know more
23:13<dEhiN>I'd help if I could, but I run vbox on win hosts
23:13<dEhiN>kop: what's OSE?
23:13<kop>dEhiN: That's the Free version.
23:13<sortadi>dEhiN, open source edition
23:14<dEhiN>I see
23:14<dEhiN>then sortadi, the oracle one is ose, essentially
23:14<dEhiN>the code is available
23:14<dEhiN>and it's free
23:14<kop>sortadi: Thing is, if you're not on topic sooner or later an op will kick you. (Of course you'll probably get fair warning, so I figured I'd warn.)
23:15<sortadi>kop, ok, thanks
23:15<kop>dEhiN: No. One has licenses suitable for inclusion in debian, the ose version, and the other does not.
23:15<sortadi>kop, you're a good cop
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23:16<sortadi>KOP = Kicking OP
23:16<sortadi>but you warn
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23:16<dEhiN>doesn't vbox have a package in debian?
23:16<sortadi>the oSE one
23:16<kop>sortadi: Nope. I'm a minion.
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23:17<dEhiN>sortadi so the ose deb pkg is different from the one you d/l from
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23:17<sortadi>dEhiN, yes
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23:17<dEhiN>o didn't know
23:17<sortadi>dEhiN, one os done by Debian and the other by Oracle
23:18<dEhiN>quick question: how I figure out what runlevel I'm in?
23:18<dEhiN>*how do I
23:18<sortadi>dEhiN, guess it
23:18<sortadi>dEhiN, runlevel
23:18<dEhiN>lol, thanks
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23:20<pthomas>what package is ifconfig in?
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23:21<kop>pthomas: dpkg -S /sbin/ifconfig, or use apt-file.
23:21<kop>!tell pthomas about search
23:21<sortadi>pthomas, aptitude install apt-file && spt-file update && apt-file search ifconfig
23:21<sortadi>!tell me about search
23:22<kop>!tell sortadi about selftell
23:22<sortadi>kop, hehe ok
23:22<sortadi>kop, why is it active then?
23:23<dEhiN>!tell dEhiN about selftell
23:23<kop>sortadi: So people can query it themselves, or update it, or use it to display factoids for others. Mostly the latter.
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23:23<dpkg>Please visit to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>.
23:24<sortadi>gotta love Debian
23:24<kop>!nice bot
23:24<dpkg>Thanks! Meet me in #debian-offtopic where I can pat _your_ tush?
23:24<sortadi>what's "pat your tush"?
23:24<sortadi>sorry, I'm not native speaker
23:24<dEhiN>kop: can't that msg be given upon #debian channel join?
23:25<dEhiN>or butt
23:25<kop>sortadi: Noun 1.
23:25<pthomas>really? ok I'll boot up a proper debian system and figure this out. this isn't easily searchable in google, and I don't have a proper debian system at my fingertips, so ifconfig isn't even installed, and I'm not going to install the other stuff on this system
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23:26<pthomas>kop, yeah I'm there, is there a search bar I'm missing, nothing jumps out in the network group
23:27<kop>pthomas: There's a search for packages contining...
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23:27<kop>pthomas: Search the contents of packages
23:28<pthomas>there is no word 'search' on this page
23:28<dEhiN>what's the difference between /srv and /var?
23:28<kop>pthomas: Just, the last search box.
23:28<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or, or "man hier".
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23:29<kop>dEhiN: Basically /srv is for your "big stuff". I put a directory for other boxes backups there, etc.
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23:30<dEhiN>so when I eventually set up my web server w/ joomla and mysql, I would put the data for that in /var?
23:30<pthomas>yeh, freebsd-net-tools
23:30<kop>dEhiN: I tend to put it in /srv and softlink it to /var/www/... YMMV.
23:31<pthomas>no just net-tools
23:31<dEhiN>kop: only issue is I have /srv in my / partition which is 10GB (didn't think I'd need a sep part for /srv), and /var on a sep part of 20GB
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23:32<dEhiN>that's one thing I find with *nix systems - there's more than one way to accomplish something and no way is necessarily more efficient
23:32<kop>dEhiN: Ah, but now it's all lvm, so you can frob the sizes. :) Really, it does not matter. Some like /srv because you can put everything there, with say, softlinks back to /usr/local or /var and have one thing to back up that's "yours".
23:33<dEhiN>kop: true...what's frob?
23:33<kop>dEhiN: What you want is *nix best practices.
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23:33<dEhiN>kop: where would I find such a thing?
23:33<sortadi>kop, where are those best practices?
23:34<kop>dEhiN: frob, twiddle, tweak, in increasing order of precision
23:35<kop>sortadi, dEhiN : A little hard to say. Perhaps "the Linux system administration manual". Which has roots back to the 1970's... Lemme look.
23:36<dEhiN>kop: is frob an actual word? or is it still mainly jargon (meaing used in only specific settings)?
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23:38<kop>dEhiN: Dunno. What's a word? Folks use tweak, some use twiddle, fewer frob.
23:38<kop> I've not actually read it myself, but it's "the classic."
23:39<kop>dEhiN: The roots are from the MIT model railroad club. Frobbing is big turns of the knob.
23:39<dEhiN>kop: thanks...I just learned a new word!
23:39<dEhiN>frobbing sounds like throbbing
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23:42<DrSampler>any1 knows good IP-TV player (internet streaming video) for a debian?
23:43<sortadi>DrSampler, VLC
23:44<DrSampler>i used to think only windows-port of VLC exist
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23:44<kop>!tell DrSampler about overview
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23:51<kop>LostDakota: Houdy. You've a quesiton?
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23:51<LostDakota>I'm trying to install debian on an old gateway that lacks a network card. What are my options?
23:51<LostDakota>It loads the Installer, but chokes at network
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23:52<ramnet>skip network config if you must
23:52<kop>LostDakota: See the install guide. You can use cd, but you may need expert mode.
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23:52<LostDakota>I've tried expert mode, but it fails as well.
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23:53<ramnet>define "chokes"
23:53<LostDakota>Well, it will let me past it, to say users, but always comes back to network.
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23:54<pthomas>LostDakota, ethernet network?
23:54<pthomas>I mean put in an ethernet card
23:55<LostDakota>Nope. Nothing. There's two phone ports. That's how old this thing is. I don't have a spare NIC laying around.
23:55<kop>LostDakota: When does it "come back"? It may want to, e.g. install security updates. Just keep choosing the next choice and eventually it'll be installed.
23:55<kop>LostDakota: right?
23:56<LostDakota>So just configure the system and each time it comes back to network, press on forward?
23:56<kop>LostDakota: (You may want to file a bug report when you're done....)
23:56<kop>LostDakota: Yes. Just keep going.
23:57<LostDakota>Alright. I'm trying to prove to a friend that linux can run on anything. Even this pos. FYI the machine is so bad, the installer drops to low memory mode in the install.
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23:58<kop>LostDakota: I ran Lenny with lxde on a box with 48M ram. It took about 5 minutes to boot. (And wasn't worth the trouble. :)
23:58<kop>!tell LostDakota about emdebian
23:59<DrSampler>why not consider buying a network adapter for your laptop
23:59<LostDakota>Yeah. I have almost no use for the thing. Just a little hobby.
23:59<DrSampler>like, pcmcia card should work fine
23:59<kop>DrSampler: Sounds like a science project.
23:59<LostDakota>Sort of.
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23:59<DrSampler>a computer without ethernet card is useless =)
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