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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-02-21

---Logopened Mon Feb 21 00:00:28 2011
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00:00<LostDakota>Not for a three year old.... Just an example.
00:01<kop>LostDakota: That's exactly what my 48M ram box was for. I think it was a 180MHz P5. And the 2 year old liked it.
00:02<pthomas>32MB works fine for me
00:02<LostDakota>My basement looks like an "Antiquated Technology Museum." This is the only one I've not found a use for.
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00:03<DrSampler>wow, VLC works! flawlessly
00:03<DrSampler>debian is awesome
00:04<ramnet>:)
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00:07<LostDakota>Well, thanks guys. Appreciate it.
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00:15<mix22891>good morning!
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00:17<mix22891>i still have a problem with my nVidia grafic card -i can't see clearly the fonts
00:18<DrSampler>whats your video hardware?
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00:19<mix22891>sorry?
00:21<DrSampler>lol, do you understand plain english? what's the model of your video card, mix22891?
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00:26<kop>mix22891: The easy way is to type "lspci -nn" and give us the pciid, which looks like [1234:5678].
00:29<mix22891>i don't remember DrSampler
00:29<kop>mix22891: pciid?
00:30<mix22891>there is a lots of lines
00:30<mix22891>Kop
00:30<nevyn>mix22891: try lspci -nn|grep VGA
00:30<kop>mix22891: lscpi -nn will display all your pci devices. You want the one that says "video" and nVidia.
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00:31<kop>mix22891: Ah, nevyn knows better than I.
00:31<DrSampler>it is usually at the end of list, and have words Nvidia in it
00:31<DrSampler>in my case, it says VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] [10de:0322] (rev a1)
00:31<mix22891>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210] [10de:0a65] (rev a2)
00:32<mix22891>this 1 ?
00:32<DrSampler>yes
00:32<mix22891>ok
00:32<kop>,pciid [10de:0a65]
00:32<judd>[10de:0a65] is 'GT218 [GeForce 210]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0a65 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
00:32<mix22891>sorry it's 6am here
00:32<DrSampler>good card
00:32<mix22891>my?
00:32<DrSampler>yes
00:33<kop>mix22891: It says you can use the 'nouveau' or nvidiafb' drivers.
00:33<mix22891>i'm happy
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00:33<mix22891>i don't know kop
00:33<mix22891>i'm so sad
00:34<mix22891>i don't want to go back to windows
00:34<kop>mix22891: "aptitude search ~ivideo" should tell you what drivers are installed. If the driver you want isn't isntalled, search for it with "aptitude search nouveau", say, and then install it.
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00:34<DrSampler>what kind of drivers you have installed, mix22891?
00:34<DrSampler>non-free (nvidia) or nouveau??
00:34<kop>mix22891: I've no clue if non-free firmware is required....
00:34<mix22891>i don't know
00:34<DrSampler>LOL
00:35<kop>mix22891: You could try my instructions above.
00:36<mix22891>i A libdrm-nouveau1 - Userspace interface to nouveau-specific ke
00:36<mix22891>p libdrm-nouveau1-dbg - Userspace interface to nouveau-specific ke
00:36<mix22891>i A xserver-xorg-video-nouveau - X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver (
00:36<mix22891>p xserver-xorg-video-nouveau-dbg - X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver (
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00:36<DrSampler>he use nouveau
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00:37<kop>DrSampler: Does it need non-free firmware?
00:37<gsimmons>kop: (re novueau) There is no firmware from userspace requirement, as all components are open source.
00:37<kop>Then I guess we'll have to ask him to paste his Xlog.
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00:38<mix22891>sorry
00:38<mix22891>kop
00:38<mix22891>how do i install the missing drivers?
00:38<DrSampler>kop: nouveau works well with all nvidia chip
00:38<DrSampler>so, i doubt it is hardware problem
00:39<DrSampler>probably some fonts are missing, or localization problem
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00:39<mix22891>i have fonts problem
00:39<mix22891>i can't see them clearly
00:42<DrSampler>hmmm
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00:43<DrSampler>give me a screenshot of your desktop
00:43<DrSampler>print screen
00:44<mix22891>ok
00:44<DrSampler>upload it somewere, and put a link in a channel, so i can figure out your problem
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00:46<mix22891>http://img690.imageshack.us/i/34636431.png/
00:47<DrSampler>i see
00:47<mix22891>please see it in full screen
00:48<DrSampler>have you tried to change video resolution?
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00:48<mix22891>no
00:48<DrSampler>like, to a lower res, 1024x768 or 800x600
00:48<DrSampler>change it
00:48<mix22891>how please
00:48<mix22891>?
00:48<DrSampler>LOOOL
00:48<DrSampler>gnome: System-Preferences-Monitor
00:49<DrSampler>if you're using GNOME
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00:53<kop>-+
00:53<kop>--
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00:55<mix22891>DrSampler U R GNUIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
00:55<mix22891>gingus
00:56<mix22891>sorry about my english
00:56<DrSampler>heh
00:56<mix22891>:))))))))))))))))))
00:56<mix22891>cool
00:57<DrSampler>hope you're happy now) and i am not genius, just experienced
00:57<mix22891>many people try to sloved this problem
00:57<DrSampler>it is not a problem at all
00:57<mix22891>haha
00:58<DrSampler>i recommend you to change nouveau drivers, however
00:58<DrSampler>because you wont get 3D acceleration out of your card if using nouveau
00:59<mix22891>how do i do it?
00:59<kop>DrSampler: But he will, on the other hand, get painless upgrades and his system won't break on upgrade if he sticks with the neuveau driver. Of course that may not happen, and it's his choice.
01:00<DrSampler>kop: sure
01:00<kop>DrSampler: (And he may or may not "need" 3d effects.)
01:00<DrSampler>it depends on what he's planning to do with debian
01:00<mix22891>lil games
01:01<mix22891>some times
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01:01<DrSampler>you need non-free Nvidia drivers, then
01:01<mix22891>i tryed to read the wiki with no luck
01:02<DrSampler>http://web.archive.org/web/20060221211858/http://www.gmpf.de/index.php/NVidia:Basic_Installation
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01:03<DrSampler>installing non-free drivers is little bit complex
01:03<DrSampler>for a beginners
01:04<sney>dkms made it a little better
01:05<mix22891>what is Gentoo Linux ?
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01:06<mix22891>to run this command: emerge -av nvidia-glx ?
01:06<sney>it's a different distribution. it's targeted at people who want a very specific configuration, that only they know
01:06<sney>gentoo and emerge have nothing to do with installing the non-free Nvidia drivers on Debian
01:07<sney>!nvidia dkms
01:07<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
01:07<sney>^ this is what you want. the long section between the quotes can be copied and pasted.
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01:09<mix22891>lest time that i've press that command, my computer frizze
01:09<mix22891>i got black screen
01:09<mix22891>after reboot
01:09<sney>it must not have detected it properly. which nvidia card do you have?
01:10<gsimmons>mix22891: That was because you previously added 'nouveau' and 'drm' to /etc/modules, which overrides nvidia-kernel-common's nouveau blacklist.
01:10<mix22891>i don't know
01:10<zem>hmmm... i have nvidia-kernel-dkms yet no /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d :/
01:10<mix22891>i'm little new to linux
01:11<sney>zem: sometimes it Just Works without the extra 20-nvidia.conf
01:11<sney>the conf file makes sure
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01:20<mix22891><DrSampler> ?
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01:23<mix22891>DrSampler
01:23<mix22891>?
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01:30<mix22891>my english is not so good
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01:34<hever>How can I listen on a port an forward all traffic on this port transparently to another server?
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01:34<jm_>xinetd can do that as well as other tools
01:35<kop>hever: nc (aka netcat) socat.
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01:35<hever>I thought about iptables?!
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01:37<cs0846> i had a problem in php,anyone here can help?
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01:37<hever>ok it's too late I'm just doing port forwaring, sry
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01:42<cs0846>?
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01:42<mix22891>i do good when i run sh Downloads/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-260.19.36.run ?
01:43<mix22891>"sh Downloads/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-260.19.36.run"
01:44<mix22891>i Run nvidia-installer
01:45<mix22891>i've download the installer from nVidia website
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01:46<mix22891>i'm getting in trobole
01:47<mix22891>my english is not so good
01:47<nevyn>!nvidia-install
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01:48<Yoda-BZH>dpkg tell mix22891 about nvidia
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01:50<jm_>mix22891: using nvidia installer is not supported here
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02:29<mix22891>hi
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02:36<mix22891>i didn't slove my grafic card problem
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02:36<cafe>Where can i find the doc about the release file? I want to know the role of the item inside, such as suite,codename,origin,etc.
02:36<cafe>thanks
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02:51<mix22891>PLEASE HELP!
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02:51<akbar>Hi
02:51<mix22891>it's about 2days that i'm trying to slove the Grafic card problem
02:52<akbar>how to creat vpn connection in back track 4
02:52<mix22891>i have nVidia video card
02:52<akbar>pleas help me
02:53<mix22891>where i can get the drivers?
02:53<mix22891>i've tryed to read the wiki with no luck
02:53<jm_>!bt4
02:53<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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02:54<akbar>tanks
02:55<akbar>thanks
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02:58<hever>I don't get my simple simple port forwarding running: "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 143 -j DNAT --to x.x.x.x:143" and "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW --dport -i eth0 -j ACCEPT" should really do it but it does not work what means the port gets opened but I can't connect...
02:58<mix22891>can some1 help me with "NVidia:Basic Installation - Linux 3D" Steps?
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02:59<mix22891>PLEASE HELP!!
02:59<mix22891>PLEASE!
02:59<jm_>mix22891: you were given enough help to have it working by now
03:00<mix22891>i'm trying to understand the tutrial
03:00<Arrowmaster>!nvidia dkms
03:00<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
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03:01<mix22891>and now i'm getting nervius
03:01<hever>jm_, any idea?
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03:02<jm_>hever: find out which rule blocks it, my guess is your forwarding chain is blocking it
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03:02<hever>hm? I'm sorry.
03:03<hever>I flushed all tables before...
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03:04<hever>jm_, If I try for example nc -l -p 143 -c "nc 78.47.218.107 143" it stops after a connect...
03:04<jm_>hever: you also allow only NEW in INPUT, how about further packets, i.e. ESTABLISHED.RELATED?
03:04<jm_>plus, flushing doesn't help much if default policy is to block
03:06<hever>jm_ how do I allow all ?
03:07<hever>jm_, it comes from http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/73
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03:10<shm>iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
03:10<jm_>hever: see comments on that page about FORWARD table, just as I guessed
03:11<shm>iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT
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03:13<hever>shm, jm_ I can't get it working... I do understand what I do with this: "iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 143 -j DNAT --to x.x.x.x:143" and it opens the port.
03:13<hever>But what must I do else? Allow that connections are forwarded?
03:14<shm>echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
03:14<shm>?
03:14<hever>yes I did that
03:14<hever>just this one line should do the portforwarding (my one) ?
03:14<shm>yes
03:15<hever>hmmm
03:15<jm_>hever: you need to allow forwarding it - like I said, try to find out which rule blocks it
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03:16<hever>jm_, "iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i eth0 -d 78.47.218.107 --dport 143 -j ACCEPT" this one ?
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03:17<mix22891>i'm stuck!
03:17<shm>is --to short of --to-destination ?
03:17<mix22891>i can't understand the tutrial
03:17<shm>short for i mean
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03:18<jm_>mix22891: no-one will help you if you will ask/make generic questions./comments like your last one
03:19<mix22891>i'm here:: http://www.basicconfig.com/linuxtips/how_to_install_nvidia_driver_slackware_linux
03:19<mix22891>i can't
03:19<mix22891>understand
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03:19<hever>what are the other solutions? nc stops at each connect...
03:19<jm_>I have already told you - you will not get support for installing nvidia driver using the .run file in this channel
03:20<mix22891>ok
03:20<mix22891>any other solotion?
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03:20<jm_>see what dpkg said about 'nvidia dkms'
03:21<mix22891>PLESE! i don't want windows!
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03:22<mix22891>nvidia dkm
03:23<mix22891>dpkg nvidia dkm
03:23<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, mix22891
03:23<jm_>!tell mix22891 -about nvidia dkms
03:23<mix22891>dpkg nvidia
03:23<dpkg>Install either <nouveau> (no 3D support) or the appropriate proprietary driver package for your card. For GeForce 6xxx through to some GeForce 400 series, ask me about <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>; for older series, ask about <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. For oldstable, see <nvidia lenny>. nvidia.com packages are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
03:23<mix22891>but my english
03:23<mix22891>not so good to read that
03:23<jm_>you don't need to read much, just edit sources.list and run the commands
03:24<mix22891>i swer
03:24<mix22891>ok
03:25<mix22891>to edit Third-Party Software?
03:25<jm_>and if I remember correctly, you were told to blacklist nouveau
03:25<mix22891>i don't know what is it
03:25<jm_>no, you need to add non-free
03:26<mix22891>it's software source?
03:27<jm_>man sources.list has an example of where/how to add non-free
03:28<mix22891>i'm trying to understand you
03:28<mix22891>it's tuff
03:28<jm_>in your shell run "man sources.list" and compare their "deb http" line with yours
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03:29<hever>ok I did it with xinted...
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03:30<mix22891>jm_ please be more spcific
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03:31<mix22891>where is the shell? it's terminal?
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03:34<mix22891>jm_ ?
03:35<jm_>mix22891: yes, please don't use your enter key too much
03:35<mix22891>ok
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03:39<mix22891>hello?
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03:41<mix22891>last time that i enter this code: aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" i've got black screen
03:41<pyro>ooo
03:42<mix22891>after reboot
03:42<pyro>grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
03:42<pyro>i am so feed up with backtrack
03:43<mix22891>lol
03:43<mix22891>what you mean
03:43<pyro>i cant get my wifi to work for the life of me
03:43<slush>!bt4
03:43<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
03:43<jm_>!tell pyro -about bt4
03:43<jm_>gah sorry
03:44<slush>ghe :)
03:44<mix22891>gah ghe
03:44<pyro>i have done it lot of times on ubountu
03:44<pyro>its not the same tho lol
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03:45<pyro>grrrrrrrrrrrrr
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03:47<mix22891>jm_ ?
03:47<mix22891>help me
03:48<jm_>mix22891: sorry but I don't take orders
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03:48<pyro>help?
03:48<pyro>help with what and for what lol
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03:49<mix22891>nVidia grafic card
03:49<mix22891>i'm here two days
03:49<pyro>what with it?
03:50<mix22891>the fonts
03:50<pyro>whats wrong with it?
03:50<mix22891>fonts
03:50<pyro>what os are you using?
03:50<mix22891>gnome
03:50<pyro>cant help you there lol
03:50<mix22891>i've lower the screen resulution
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03:51<pyro>what is you computer
03:51<pyro>nvidia is having a big recall
03:51<mix22891>foxconn
03:51<mix22891>new
03:51<pyro>ever heard of it
03:52<mix22891>new computer
03:52<pyro>desktop or laptop?
03:52<mix22891>desk
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03:52<pyro>ooo cool
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03:53<pyro>but sorry i cant help you with that
03:53<JesperCheetah>I've noticed that after a lenny->squeeze upgrade /mnt has disappeared. Is that intentional, and what is the reason for it?
03:53<pyro>i have my own problems tol
03:53<slush>JesperCheetah: /media is used now
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03:54<mix22891>im so tired
03:54<mix22891>of this
03:54<mix22891>i can't slove it
03:54<JesperCheetah>slush: Alright, I thought so too. Thanks
03:56<JesperCheetah>mix22891: You haven't really described the problem yet though. You've mentioned that you have an nvidia card and something is wrong with the fonts. But what exactly is wrong with them?
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03:57<mix22891>in high resulusion, i can't see clearly the fonts
03:58<mix22891>and now i set the screen resulution to low
03:58<mix22891>to 1024 x 768
03:58<tu>hi
03:58<mix22891>two levels low
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03:59<mix22891>JesperCheetah ok?
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04:01<mix22891>debian support nVidia at all ?
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04:03<JesperCheetah>mix22891: I may have the solution for that. If you look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf you should have a Section "Device" followed by Driver "nvidia". Within that section, add this: Option "FlatPanelProperties" "Dithering = Disabled"
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04:03<JesperCheetah>mix22891: And yes, Debian does have quite good nvidia support, though it can be a bit tricky to get it right
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04:05<mix22891>how do i look at "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
04:05<mix22891>?
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04:08<mehdi_>can some tell me how can i mount usb in virtualbox using winxp?
04:09<jm_>mehdi_: I suspect you're in a wrong channel
04:09<JesperCheetah>mix22891: Just open it in your preferred text editor
04:09<mix22891>ok
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04:10<mehdi_>well i donno wich channel i should be in
04:10<jm_>!virtualbox
04:10<dpkg>VirtualBox is a virtual machine solution. To install, ask me about <vbox-install squeeze> or <vbox-install lenny>. http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox manual>, <vbox guest-utils>, <vbox-ose vs vbox>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>.
04:10<jm_>try that one
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04:11<mix22891>JesperCheetah , no xorg.conf file
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04:15<JesperCheetah>mix22891: Then I guess you're running a very basic default configuration. I'm sorry, but I don't have time to explain all the details. I suggest you look here, if you haven't already done so: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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04:15<lillecarl>could anyone help me with the installation of fglrx driver squeeze? :)
04:15<lillecarl>i got ati radeon x1300 :)
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04:17<Torsten_W>lillecarl, you can't use fglrx with this card
04:17<lillecarl>oh :O
04:17<Torsten_W>and btw, this card runs fine with xorgs radeon
04:17<lillecarl>but hey
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04:18<lillecarl>ubuntu works better with my gfx, how could it be like that?
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04:18<lillecarl>well i got 6 fps in wow ;D
04:18<lillecarl>thats not fine in my eyes :P
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04:19<Torsten_W>lillecarl, you have iunstalled all needed packages?
04:19<Torsten_W>lillecarl, you have installed firmware-linux-nonfree?
04:19<lillecarl>not on this installation no :P
04:19<lillecarl>or wait 1 sec
04:20<lillecarl>http://pastebin.com/N0pW2tun
04:20<Torsten_W>lillecarl, you need at least firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx
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04:20<mix22891>ok
04:20<lillecarl>thats my sources.list
04:20<lillecarl>;D
04:20<mix22891>thank u
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04:21<Torsten_W>lillecarl, why you use ubunt-repos?
04:21<Torsten_W>+u
04:21<lillecarl>because i didnt find that packages in debi ;D
04:21<Torsten_W>you are a hero
04:22<lillecarl>hahah i know
04:22<Torsten_W>your install is b0rked!
04:22<lillecarl>why? :p
04:22<Torsten_W>because of using ubuntu packages
04:22<Torsten_W>and again
04:22<Torsten_W>[10:20] <Torsten_W> lillecarl, you need at least firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx
04:23<lillecarl>yeah well i jsut installed em :P
04:23<lillecarl>shall i reboot or something? :P
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04:25<lillecarl>Torsten_W?
04:26<lillecarl>and that ubuntu packages was not available on debians package servers :P
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04:28<nicolas>Hi, for a few days, when I use aptitude (I use the GUI in ncurses), when I upgrade a package marked as automatic, it becomes marked as manual. Is there a way to revert to the old behaviour ?
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04:29<Torsten_W>lillecarl, have you ever read any debian docu?
04:29<Torsten_W>lillecarl, you know, there is contrib and non-free, which are not enabled by default?
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04:30<lillecarl>yeah
04:30<lillecarl>i know that. P
04:30<Torsten_W>lillecarl, but so, i'm not willing to support a system with a mix of debian and ubuntu packages
04:30<themill>(I think you'll struggle to find anyone who is willing to do so)
04:31<lillecarl>well if the package aint available on debians package servers then?
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04:31<lillecarl>because i really looked after dockbarx for debian :P
04:31<lillecarl>didnt find :P
04:31<Torsten_W>dockbarx? use cairo-dock
04:32<lillecarl>well
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04:32<lillecarl>dockbarx is kinda like the default "window manager"?
04:32<lillecarl>or well
04:32<lillecarl>its like win7's a bit :P
04:32<Torsten_W>who cares
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04:33<Torsten_W>you will not get support fur your system, eod
04:33<Torsten_W>s/u/o
04:34<lillecarl>http://oi53.tinypic.com/2em315j.jpg
04:34<lillecarl>just olook at it ;D
04:34<lillecarl>and isnt it kinda silly that just because i got like 2 packages installed from another source you wint wanna help me out?
04:35<lillecarl>how much "freedom" is it in that?
04:36<themill>lillecarl: you have the freedom to break your machine in any way you like. We have the freedom to get the popcorn and laugh at you while you do so.
04:36<jm_>how much freedom is it for helpers if they can't decide when to help and when not to help?
04:36<jm_>so you see, you're not the only one to whom freedom applies
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04:36<lillecarl>ture ^^, jm_ you won ;P
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04:37<lillecarl>themill, since ive been using it for a week or 2 now its working like a charm :D
04:37<lillecarl>not even a single lag with it
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04:37<amitz>can resize2fs shrinks a file which is an image of ext3? or it can only shrink device?
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04:38<lillecarl>your talking about truecrypt?
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04:39<lillecarl>amitz are you talking about truecrypt?
04:39<amitz>no, normal ext3 iimage lillecarl
04:39<lillecarl>hmm
04:39<lillecarl>then idk :P
04:39<valdyn>amitz: it would shrink the filesystem in that file, but not the file
04:39<lillecarl>sry ;)
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04:41<valdyn>amitz: and similar to what you would do with a partition you could truncate the file after shrinking the fs
04:41<amitz>valdyn: which makes dd-ing that image to a hd with a single partition safe? assuming the file size overflows the partition size but the fs is still smaller than the partition size?
04:42<valdyn>amitz: isnt it an image of a partition?
04:42<valdyn>amitz: you wouldnt dd to hd but to a partition
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04:42<valdyn>amitz: but other than that detail, yes
04:42<amitz>it's an iimage of /dev/sda1 of a hd, to be dd to another hd /dev/sda1. single partition in both cases.
04:43<valdyn>amitz: sda1 is a partition, not a hd
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04:43<amitz>i have made the temporary raw immage from the first sda1.
04:43<amitz>ah, okay.
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04:43<valdyn>amitz: even thinking of sda as harddisk is misleading and confusing
04:44<valdyn>amitz: and that confusion is why you even ask your questions
04:44<amitz>problem is, it seems the second hd has smaller actual size. so dd from the image to /dev/sda1 of the new harddrive says "not enough disk space"
04:45<amitz>oh? let me reread everything.
04:46<amitz>/dev/sda is not a hd? i agree /dev/sda1 is a partition.
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04:46<valdyn>amitz: its coincidantally a hd, but its primarly a block device, which is accessible like any file
04:46<valdyn>amitz: same as sda1
04:47<valdyn>amitz: which means you can treat it like a file and you can treat a file like a sda1
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04:49<amitz>hmm i guess my question is about the overflow behavior of hd as a block device. i can resize the image of /dev/sda1 and dd it to an hd's /dev/sda1 then, assuming there is only a single partition on that hd?
04:49<valdyn>amitz: makes no difference
04:49<amitz>s/resize/shrink/
04:50<valdyn>amitz: you cant overflow a partition when writing to a partition, dd will abort
04:51<amitz>valdyn: ah, nice feature then!
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05:02<mix22891>please help
05:03<mix22891>i don't want go back to windows
05:04<mix22891>some1 please help me with NvidiaGraphicsDrivers steps
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05:05<mix22891>setp 1: 0. Make sure APT has non-free and contrib sources
05:05<mix22891>what is that?
05:06<mix22891>i'm lil new to linux
05:06<vagvaf>mix22891, check your software sources (system -> administration -> software sources)
05:07<vagvaf>are the first 3 boxes checked? if not, check them
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05:09<mix22891>1. Determine which version of the drivers should be installed. ?
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05:14<vagvaf>mix22891, there are more detailed instructions a bit further down
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05:15<mix22891>please
05:15<mix22891>i can't understand it
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05:15<mix22891>i'm new to linux
05:17<lillecarl>mix22891, if your new to linux i would recommend ubuntu
05:18<mix22891>but my nVidia card will work there?
05:18<mix22891>perfect?
05:18<mix22891>i'm not so new
05:18<vagvaf>mine did
05:18<mix22891>i know linux little
05:18<lillecarl>well still
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05:19<lillecarl>your free to choose :P
05:19<lillecarl>my old card worked bett3er in ubuntu, but i dislike the os itself so im stuck wtih debian ;p
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05:20<lillecarl>im gonna make a CLEAN INSTALL again since Torsten_W is a whiner ;)
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05:22<put_put>Linux Mint Debian might provide an alternative
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05:22<put_put>do they include proprietary drivers?
05:23<bzed>lillecarl: you're recommending ubuntu in #debian? something is wrong here.
05:23<lillecarl>well
05:23<lillecarl>basicly i ment it might work better for him
05:23<lillecarl>and he should be 100% free to choose
05:24<lillecarl>im just telling him that there is other distors that might be easier for him to use
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05:24<lillecarl>anything else you wanna whine about bzed ?
05:24<lillecarl>:D'
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05:26<vagvaf>today i ruined my Mint LMDE. i added the debian experimental repository and then did a dist-upgrade and i had a power cut in the middle. now i can only log from the terminal.
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05:26<put_put>yikes
05:27<lillecarl>vagvaf, thast not so smart :p
05:27<vagvaf>lillecarl, i now, i was just experimenting:P now i want to find a way to solve it without having to make a clean install again
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05:28<lillecarl>well.....
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05:28<put_put>vagvaf, what file system do you use? ext2?
05:28<lillecarl>i think that could be kinda hard....
05:28<lillecarl>try
05:28<lillecarl>to remove the window manager etc..
05:28<lillecarl>gnome or wtf its using
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05:28<lillecarl>and then install it again
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05:29<lillecarl>when i ran ubuntu once i managed to remove "ubuntu desktop"
05:29<put_put>because I had a similar issue with my netbook some time ago, power cut while installing updates
05:29<vagvaf>i have first to connect to my wireless because we don't have a wired connection here:)
05:29<lillecarl>and 99% of all system things depends on that package xD
05:29<themill>vagvaf: you want #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org
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05:30<utrrrongeeb>I tried a Squeeze LiveCD with an i810-class graphics chipset, and there was no 3D hardware-acceleration. Would this be resolved by installing it, or might it not be?
05:30<vagvaf>themill, thanks:)
05:30<put_put>lillecarl, but isn't ubuntu-desktop just a meta-package?
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05:30<themill>vagvaf: no worries ... mint is not debian; #debian is for debian support. (We normally wouldn't support people with "experimental" either... /msg dpkg experimental)
05:30<gsimmons>dpkg: tell utrrrongeeb -about intel-gfx shadow
05:30<lillecarl>not sure but i didnt have no ngome afterwards :P
05:30<themill>put_put, lillecarl: perhaps you wanted #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net for this discussion
05:31<lillecarl>hey
05:31<lillecarl>im alreday in there, but just for a quick talk why change channel? do we disturb you?
05:31<put_put>sorry themill
05:31<lillecarl>lovley wannabe mod
05:31<lillecarl><3
05:32<themill>lillecarl: there is no possible way that the details of the ubuntu-desktop package are on-topic for #debian.
05:32<utrrrongeeb>gsimmons: Thanks!
05:32<lillecarl>so you force me to stick to the topic?
05:32-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@90.142.147.37] by ChanServ
05:32<themill>lillecarl: yes. please take a break from #debian and be more signal and less noise in the future.
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05:43<put_put>I'm looking for the channel #debian-women on this server
05:43<put_put>http://women.debian.org/contact/ says there should be one, but then again, I don't know how up-to-date this is
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05:46<SynrG>put_put: yes, it exists.
05:47<put_put>SynrG: huh, you're right
05:47<put_put>that's weird, it doesn't appear in my List of channels
05:50<SynrG>it's +s. cuts down on spam
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05:51<put_put>ah, that makes things clearer for me. Thank you :)
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06:01<noodleking>hi, I'm having a weird issue with the sound on squeeze.
06:02<noodleking>previously my audio card was working perfectly, I had the sound outputting from the back-port of the audio card
06:02<noodleking>both for web videos and for mp3s/avis
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06:03<noodleking>today though, my audio for avis/mp3s only works from the front-port, whereas the audio for streaming/webvideo works from the back
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06:03<noodleking>anyone got any ideas why this weird glitch is happening?
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06:19<Kaerius>подскажите как поставить приложение локально черз консоль и aptitude
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06:20<jm_>!ru
06:20<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
06:20<DrSampler>they do not understand russian )
06:20<DrSampler>используй транслит
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06:24<noodleking>hello?
06:25<noodleking>anyone know why debian squeeze might change the sound-output port for mp3s and avis?
06:26<noodleking>I can't figure out why the sound is coming out the front ports rather than the back (direct from the on-board soundchip)
06:26<noodleking>what's even more weird is that, streaming audio/video still works from the back
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06:29<DrSampler>so? what's the problem
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06:31<noodleking>the sound is coming out of two different ports, depending on the filetype
06:31<noodleking>this wasn't the case yesterday
06:32<noodleking>it seems to be a glitch
06:32<noodleking>when I play streaming media, the sound comes out of the back (where it should).
06:32<noodleking>when I play movies/mp3s from my hd, the sound is only available from the front.
06:33<SynrG>different applications?
06:33<noodleking>dunno, I've not reconfigured the sound at all.
06:33<noodleking>and previously it was all working perfectly, from the back-port.
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06:33<SynrG>yes, you do know. are you using different applications (programs) to play each?
06:34<noodleking>oh
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06:34<noodleking>yes
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06:34<noodleking>streaming media via web browser
06:34<noodleking>and videos/mp3s via vlc/media player/banshee etc
06:35<SynrG>when you say "back" and "front", what do you mean? same sound card, different outputs? or different sound cards?
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06:36<noodleking>same soundchip I think, there's an internal connector from the motherboard to the front panel
06:37<noodleking>I don't have a separate soundcard, just using the onboard soundchip
06:37<noodleking>RealTek '97 or whatever
06:37<SynrG>i have to run. bus to catch. hopefully someone else can pick it up from here
06:38<noodleking>k
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06:38<Guest1762>i think SynrG was onto something there
06:38<Guest1762>bah
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06:43<mrcl>Hey, Ive got two sound cards, one is integrated with motherboard, another one is plugged by PCI socket. Sound is steamed "randomly" sometimes by one, sometimes by other card. How can I set which sound card is default ?
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06:45<jm_>mrcl: are they using different drivers?
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06:46<mrcl>i think yes, One is Xfi.
06:48<mrcl>and i have already installed drivers for it. But from time to time (depends on dont know what) when I boot debian, this Xfi is working, all other times this integrated one is passing the sound.
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06:49<noodleking>how do I find out what sound drivers are in use?
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06:49<noodleking>I can't understand why debian would be sending mp3s/avis to the front-panel and others to the back
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06:49<mrcl>speaker-test
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06:50<noodleking>general windows/button-press sounds are working from the back (directly from the ports)
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06:50<noodleking>but when I play an mp3 or avi, the sound only comes out of the front panel
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06:51<noodleking>there must be a configuration somewhere..
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06:55<jm_>mrcl: set index=0 for the desired driver
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06:55<mrcl>where?
06:55<jm_>for me: ~$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/local
06:55<jm_>options snd_hda_intel index=1
06:56<mrcl>/etc/modprobe.d/sound?
06:56<mrcl>ok
06:56<jm_>i've done the reverse - set index 1
06:56<webmind_org>asound
06:56<mrcl>i dont have "local" file, nor "sound"
06:56<jm_>create it ...
06:57<mrcl>local or sound, because I have already created sound, is that ok? what process should i restart to see changes?
06:58<jm_>both should be ok, just make sure it doesn't clash with what packages might put there; you need to reload sound modules
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07:00<mrcl>/etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart ?
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07:01<jm_>naah you'll need to do it manually
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07:02<mrcl>you mean reboot debian?
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07:03<jm_>well that's not needed, but if it doesn't bother you is probably the simplest option
07:03<lancelot_of>hi all
07:03<mrcl>well i dont know any other so :) lemme check this one. brb.
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07:04<lancelot_of>is there any menu for debian launchable with a command (apart from dmenu and pdmenu)?I should need it for tiling wm
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07:04<manitou>Good day! I have a strange problem. We have a Intel Server Board S34200GP with a Intel RAID controller SRCSASRB (6 drives in RAID5). When I installed a new Debian Squeeze on it and tried to `dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null` where sda - raid drive, I got avg 380MB/s transfer rate, but then I installed Ubuntu 10.10 and tried to repeat this test again, and got avg 520MB/s transfer rate. I was repeating this test for five to ten attempts on each OS and every time w
07:04<manitou>as getting same results. What may be a reason of that great transfer rate difference? Any suggests?
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07:07<mrcl>jm_ ... it did not help... sound is streamed by this integrated card
07:08<jm_>mrcl: check the order of the cards in /proc/asound/cards
07:08<lillecarl>f
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07:08<mrcl>Intel is still first (index =0)
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07:09<mrcl>Intel is still first (index =0)
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07:10<jm_>well which one did you specify index option for?
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07:10<lancelot_of>maybe my question is ill-posed?
07:11<mrcl>jm_ http://justpaste.it/8nu
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07:11<jm_>mrcl: you need to specify module name, just like I showed
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07:12<mrcl>and where to get those module names?
07:12<jm_>lsmod|grep snd_
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07:20<mrcl>Ok, jm_ all is fixed now! Thanks a lot, you are great!
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07:22<jm_>mrcl: no worries
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07:25<fredison>start lkl
07:26<fredison>in ubuntu
07:26<fredison>?
07:27<lillecarl>"No talk about other distros here"
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07:39<mix22891>אישמל טםו
07:39<mix22891>thank you
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07:47<qualla3stfiqui>what happens here
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07:49<lancelot_of>is there any menu for debian launchable with a command (apart from dmenu and pdmenu)?I should need it for tiling wm
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08:16<classical>hello ppl :)) I'm going to build dedicated backup server i have two Sata hdd there will be only backup nothing more so what Raid type is bes for me ? im planning to use raid 1 am is it good decision ? an what file system should i use for best performance ? there will be continuous file writing/copping process so im afraid of hight load/io
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08:19<cthuluh>classical: yes, and xfs/ext4 are my preferred choices
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08:30<classical>cthuluh, i think xfs is not safe for backup server
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08:35<amitz>xfs may be slow for backup server cthuluh
08:36<amitz>unless you tar the backup files into a few files.
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08:39<feldmaus_>Hi, ich suche eine Wlan Karte(PCI oder MiniPCI) für meinen MiniITX Server
08:40<feldmaus_>Von Unex und TP-Link mit Atheros chipsatz hatte ich mir schon einiges raußgesucht.
08:40<jm_>!de
08:40<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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08:41<feldmaus_>WPA2 und master mode sind mir wichtig und natürlich die Treiber-Unterstützung unter Linux.
08:41<feldmaus_>upps
08:42<agentc>what to do when DVB-card message comes /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 not found ? some days ago that was work. b2c2_flexcop_pci and stv0299 is loaded.
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08:43<devil>check if frontend0 is there, if not, check dmesg
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08:45<agentc>devil: dmesg | grep b2c2 gives output : chip loaded success
08:47<agentc>devil: /dev/dvb not present
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08:47<devil>agentc: dmesg should have caught that
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08:48<agentc>devil: dmesg | grep dvb -> no output
08:48<devil>try grep -i dvb
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08:52<agentc>devil: no output
08:52<devil>strange
08:52<devil>is that reproducable?
08:53<qualla3stfiqui>guess i'll stick around til i find out
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08:56<agentc>devil: is that neccarry to create that directory by hand ? in /etc/modules i added b2c2_flexcop_pci and stv0299 ; that works once, since my reboot not anymore
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08:58<devil>i use the same Terratec dvb adapter for 5 years now, and it has not let me down a single day. and no, you normaly do not mknod the directory
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09:00<cthuluh>amitz: as a general rule, xfs is slower than ext4, yes, but faster than ext3, and I've heard much complains about ext4 (failings, etc)
09:00<cthuluh>amitz: I didn't have problems with ext4, personnally
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09:02<amitz>cthuluh: xfs consumes lots of processing power, especially with small files. quite unfortunate -_-
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09:03<amitz>i usually stay with ext3 for the highest recoverability chance.
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09:07<mercutio22>I can't use magnet links with the epiphany browser. Is anyone able to?
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09:10<Blade2000>hi!
09:10<ErSandro>hi there
09:10<Blade2000>just a little question
09:11<Blade2000>i would like to install a debian and i have a intel 64 computer
09:11<Blade2000>which distribution i must choose?
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09:12<petemc>Blade2000: which processor do you have exactly?
09:12<Blade2000>my boss said me : dual core
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09:13<ErSandro>amd64 will do
09:13<Blade2000>and i think it is intel
09:13<petemc>if you want to use 64bit debian, use amd64 otherwise i386
09:13<OdyX>!ia64
09:13<dpkg>[ia64] Intel Architecture-64 (IA-64) is a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as <Itanium> and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>.
09:13<OdyX>Blade2000: ^
09:14<Blade2000>ok thx for the answer, and i can choose a i386, it is work on 64 bit computer?
09:14<ErSandro>yes
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09:14<Blade2000>nice :)
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09:38<darius>hi, what free virtualization could you recommend for installing linux and winblows guests on debian host without GUI
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09:39<berto>darius: qemu/kvm
09:40<darius>thanks berto
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09:48<jony_>how can I make Xchat connect me to certain chat room at every start ?
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10:04<worS>?
10:04<worS>keiner schreibt was
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10:07<bremner>is there a java profiler in debian?
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10:12<amphi>!tell worS -about de
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10:20<K6ORJ>Anybody know what might be the problem i can't access /home/public from Xp. Xp says "The network path was not found." Running Samba 3.5.6 on Debian. All firewalls are off on XP home Sp 3. I can access Xp from linux, I can print from Xp to linux.
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10:21<jjp>K60RJ: there can be many explanations. What's ur share config looks like in smb.conf ?
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10:22<K6ORJ>jjp: how do I post it?
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10:25<K6ORJ>jjp: Hold on looking for a place to post it so you can see it.
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10:35<K6ORJ>jjp: Sorry I don't know how to post the file without getting kicked off here?
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10:36<bremner>K6ORJ: paste.debian.net
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10:38<K6ORJ>http://paste.debian.net/108392
10:38<K6ORJ>bremner: Thank You
10:39<K6ORJ>jjp: I have the file posted. http://paste.debian.net/108392
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10:52<mib_wiiezq>hello
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10:52<K6ORJ>hello
10:52<mib_wiiezq>Just curious why the new debian installation's console doesn't use bold font anymore
10:53<mib_wiiezq>is there any way I can change the console font size to bold?
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10:55<K6ORJ>mib_wiiezq: I would and did assume it was so the screen didn't fly by so darn fast that you couldn't read it!
10:56<anna>hi all, I am using debian squeeze amd64 desktop. I have whenever I load java applet based website and close the browser, the process by name "java" consumes high cpu cycle and huge memory around 300M. Is this a issue?
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10:56<anna>I have installed openjdk 6.0 software on my desktop
10:56<mib_wiiezq>K6ORJ: could I change it back to bold?
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10:57<K6ORJ>mib_wiiezq: I don't know!
10:57<mib_wiiezq>thanks
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10:57<K6ORJ>mib_wiiezq: I make everything Bold with glasses. LOL
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11:09<winnie_>hellohello
11:10<winnie_>i prefer not to have a dm so i went ahead and removed gdm3 which removed the gnome-desktop package, so now everytime i use apt-get it tells me that alll the gnome-desktop packages arent needed and i should remove them using autoremove
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11:10<winnie_>some way to fix that?
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11:11<winnie_>noone?
11:12<cmot>winnie_: aptitude install gnome-desktop ?
11:12<cmot>or is gdm3 a depends and not only a recommends of g-d?
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11:13<cmot>is there a gnome-desktop?
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11:14<winnie_>well i guess gnome-desktop depends on gdm3
11:14<cmot>ah, sorry, yes, g-d-environment does depend
11:14<winnie_>hmm
11:14<winnie_>i guess i can just install gnome-desktop and select no dm as default?
11:14<SynrG>winnie_: mark all the deps of gnome-desktop noauto
11:14<cmot>so just aptitude unmarkauto all the packages that g-d-environment installs (so that that they're not auto-deinstalled.)
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11:15<K6ORJ>Anybody know what might be the problem i can't access /home/public from Xp. Xp says "The network path was not found." Running Samba 3.5.6 on Debian. All firewalls are off on XP home Sp 3. I can access Xp from linux, I can print from Xp to linux. http://paste.debian.net/plain/108393
11:15<winnie_>how do i do that?
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11:15<SynrG>well, it's tedious, but see aptitude man page
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11:15<cmot>winnie_: either apt-cache show g-d to see the dependencies, then "aptitude unmarkauto ...." the whole list.
11:15<cmot>or use the UI and "m" on all these packages
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11:16<SynrG>and has the downside that if the maintainers update gnome-desktop-environment ...
11:16<cmot>(you can do this from the gnome desktop package view)
11:16<SynrG>you don't benefit from the changes
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11:16<winnie_>well as said removing gdm3 removed gnome-desktop so i dont have that package any more..
11:16<cmot>yes, IMO metapackages like this shold recommend most stuff and not depend...
11:16<cmot>oh well
11:16<winnie_>yeah i guess right now that is my opinion too :)
11:16<winnie_>haha
11:16<SynrG>winnie_: then just iterate over all the things that it says are candidates for autoremoval ...
11:17<SynrG>and mark them all noauto
11:17<winnie_>iterate?
11:17<SynrG>lather, rinse, repeat
11:17<winnie_>ah ok
11:17<winnie_>so aptitude noauto package1 2 3?
11:17<winnie_>unmarkauto**
11:17<SynrG>unmarkauto, yeah
11:18<cmot>eys
11:18<cmot>yes
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11:18<SynrG>cmot: regarding recommends vs depends, file a bug? :)
11:19<cmot>SynrG: a wishlist bug? why not.
11:19*cmot won't do it, since I don't use gnome
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11:21<winnie_>ah
11:21<winnie_>thank you guys!
11:21<winnie_>i can file the bug
11:21<winnie_>since i am the one affected and all
11:21<SynrG>check for an existing one first
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11:21<winnie_>will do
11:22<K6ORJ>winnie_: You know about samba? I have googled this one to death and can't find any answers?
11:22<SynrG>i think in the recent history of gnome metapackages, reports relating to changing them to suit people's preferences have been met with a lukewarm reception
11:22<SynrG>so tread carefully. this one needs to be sold as of general applicability to everyone, and not just specific to your preferences.
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11:23<winnie_>i've only used samba through nautilus in gnome
11:23<winnie_>which is point and click
11:24<SynrG>for example #613423 :p
11:24<winnie_>maybe you could try that instead?
11:24<winnie_>well its not a preference thing really
11:24<SynrG>maybe worth looking at archived bugs too
11:24<K6ORJ>Everything works except the path to linux folders from XP
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11:25<winnie_>in the current there is one important bug and one wishlist bug
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11:26<SynrG>i'll have to think about it. not a big gnome user myself. mostly lxde ...
11:26<SynrG>but a few family members use it
11:26<winnie_>think about if its worth filing a bug report?
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11:28<SynrG>think about filing it myself
11:28<SynrG>my brief survey of it indicates the most likely response would be something along the lines of the response Joss gave to #613423
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11:29<SynrG>and it may be that among the archived bugs is a closed bug for the same issue. not sure if i want to butt heads over it if they've already decided against it (though i'm really curious as to their reasons if they have)
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11:31<jillsmitt>hi
11:32<jillsmitt>my rhythmbox visualisation does not work properly
11:32<jillsmitt>can you help me to fix it?
11:32<winnie_>i guess you're right if empathy dependend so should gdm..
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11:35<SynrG>!errors
11:35<dpkg>If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>.
11:35<SynrG>jillsmitt: ^^
11:35<winnie_>oh synrg it's you
11:36<winnie_>hey i am using debian now and so far i am quite liking it :)
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11:36<SynrG>winnie_: super :)
11:36<winnie_>the bumps in the changing process were extremly few
11:36<SynrG>glad to hear
11:36<winnie_>and since i went from gnome to gnome just coping conf files went really painless
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11:37<winnie_>its too early to tell but i guess i have a much more stable system now
11:37<jillsmitt>okay, my problem in visualisations, i guess there is no messages but i will try to run it in terminal emulator
11:37<amphi>'gnome to gnome'…
11:37<winnie_>why is that funny amphi
11:37<amphi>you can't be told; it probably isn't, anyway. Pay no mind
11:38<SynrG>jillsmitt: then just give as precise a picture in words as you can (or use a screenshot)
11:38<jillsmitt>okay
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11:40<jillsmitt>SynrG, http://itmages.ru/image/view/131308/572a776a
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11:40<jillsmitt>there is no any errors with visualisation
11:40<jillsmitt>but with jack
11:41<Psycho_Mario>can anyone tell me where i can get the default debian 6.0 kernel config file?
11:41<SynrG>jack relates to sound
11:41<SynrG>so i doubt if it has any relevance
11:41<jillsmitt>SynrG, is it nessesary to run visualisation?
11:41<SynrG>so you try running GOOM and then what?
11:41<jillsmitt>always the same
11:42<jillsmitt>doesnt work
11:42<SynrG>no window appears?
11:42<SynrG>"doesn't work" is non-specific
11:42<SynrG>i need to know what you expected to happen and what happened instead.
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11:43<DrSampler>asura 360, good psy ambient album
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11:43<DrSampler>jillsmitt, use another MP3 player for a debian
11:44<jillsmitt>i expect some visualisation SynrG, and i can not enable it and all ^(
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11:47<jillsmitt>DrSampler, what playser?
11:47<amphi>jillsmitt: do you want to use jack?
11:48<jillsmitt>player* sorry
11:48<jillsmitt>nope
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11:48<DrSampler>i can recommend Audacious, it is very stable
11:48<jillsmitt>okay
11:48<amphi>jillsmitt: how odd, then, that it tries to use it
11:48<DrSampler>however, no visualizations
11:48<amphi>jillsmitt: someone else had this not long back
11:48<DrSampler>Clementine is less stable, but have some nice Visualizations
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11:49<amphi>jillsmitt: have a look at the programs output options, and see if you can choose 'alsa' rather than 'jack'
11:49<SynrG>jillsmitt: hmm. works for me. what version of rhythmbox?
11:49<jillsmitt>lets see
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11:50<jillsmitt>0.12.8
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11:50<amphi>jillsmitt: you use gnome?
11:50<jillsmitt>yea
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11:51<amphi>jillsmitt: I would check rythmbox's output settings, and also gnome's audio settings - if you find jack mentioned anywhere, try to select alsa instead
11:51<amphi>I don't use gnome, so I'm a bit vague about it
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11:52<danilo>sorry for noob question: I have to install fglrx-* from my ati radeon rv370? X seems a little bit slow and that pkgs are not installed. dpkg -l|grep fglrx returns 0 rows
11:52<danilo>*for my ati
11:52<amphi>!ati
11:52<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net).
11:52<kisda>join #debian.de
11:52<amphi>!fglrx
11:52<dpkg>fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>, <fglrx pre-built> or see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . #ati on irc.freenode.net.
11:53<danilo>thanks
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11:53<SynrG>jillsmitt: and version of rhythmbox-plugins?
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11:55<jillsmitt>SynrG, the same
11:55<jillsmitt>with rhythmbox package
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11:56<SynrG>oh, hmm. there is no separate rhythmbox-plugins package?
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11:57<SynrG>oh, duh. i just removed it during my testing. ignore that comment :)
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11:59<jillsmitt>i dont know what i do
11:59<jillsmitt>but now it works
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12:00<amphi>heh
12:00<jillsmitt>ah
12:01<jillsmitt>it is exaile installation
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12:02<pistolpete>K6ORJ: were you able to get the nVidia problem resolved yesterday?
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12:10<lillecarl>Hey i kinda need help, my when i scroll with my mouse (anywhere on the screen) the volume changes and gnome hungs up so i need to ctrl alt f1 and killall -9 gnome-panel
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12:11<lillecarl>im ising squeeze by the way :)
12:11<lillecarl>using*
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12:12<jjp>K6ORJ: are you sure the shared fs is actually mounted on /mnt/home/public ? You said you could not access to /home/public, while your smb.conf states /mnt/home/public...
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12:14<K6ORJ>jjp: /mnt/home/public was incorrect I changed it to /home/public and it worked!
12:14<jillsmitt>hmm if i want to remove rhythmbox, gnome must be removed too?
12:14<amitz>I dd-ed /dev/sda1 to img.img, shrink img.img using resize2fs, then dd-ed from img.img to /dev/sdb1. But the df somehow yields to inconsistent result between 1K-blocks, used, and available (1Kblocks-used>available). How to fix this?
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12:15<amitz>or at least what keywords I need to google?
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12:16<lillecarl>Hey i kinda need help, my when i scroll with my mouse (anywhere on the screen) the volume changes and gnome hungs up so i need to ctrl alt f1 and killall -9 gnome-panel
12:17<SynrG>stuck modifier key?
12:17<lillecarl>nop :P
12:17<psychon>hi, can someone help me closing a bug? #552208 is fixed since upstream version v3.4.3
12:17<SynrG>(i don't know gnome very well ... don't know if there's supposed to be a global keymapping here or not)
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12:17<psychon>what would be the correct command for the BTS?
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12:18<pistolpete>K6ORJ: did you get the nVidia issue fixed yesterday?
12:18<lillecarl>SynrG, well ive like removed all keybindings already to see if it workedd :P
12:18<lillecarl>worked*
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12:19<jillsmitt>so how can i remove rhythmbox without removing gnome?
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12:20<SynrG>lillecarl: i guess it's gnome-volume-control that's responsible?
12:20<SynrG>(from gnome-media)
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12:21<lillecarl>Probably :S
12:21<lillecarl>hmm
12:21<jillsmitt>omg :(
12:21<lillecarl>might try to kill it :D
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12:21<jillsmitt>i just want to delete one program :(
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12:22<lillecarl>jillsmitt, gnome depends on rythmbox
12:22<K6ORJ>jjp: Yes nVidia is working in my computer now but I don't think the guy in Africa got his problems worked out. Baring any hardware issues I am good till wheezy is released!
12:23<lillecarl>Another Q instead, im mad at gnome now
12:23<lillecarl>if i wanna isntall lxde
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12:23<lillecarl>is it just to install and choose on the login screen?
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12:24<pistolpete>K6ORJ: thanks, I had little hope he would get everything in order as he was having major problems with su - and sudo to start with.
12:24<arand>jillsmitt: But isn't it so that if you remove it you only remove the gnome-destop metapackage?
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12:24<jillsmitt>so difficult
12:24<jillsmitt>broken software as base of desktop, how can it be?
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12:25<SynrG>jillsmitt: broken? seems to be working the way it was intended.
12:25<arand>difficult? If rhythmbox if broken, report a bug ;)
12:25<K6ORJ>pistolpete: This stuff takes time to get down.
12:26<jillsmitt>visualisation in exaile works fine, but rhythmbox cant enable it or it will be freezed
12:26<jillsmitt>i want to fix it or delete player
12:26<SynrG>ah. dunno, then. it works for me.
12:26<jillsmitt>lucky
12:26<SynrG>and that's on a crappy intel 865G chipset, too
12:26<jillsmitt>i want it work for me too
12:27<SynrG>so, file a bug.
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12:27<jillsmitt>there is no error messages
12:27<jillsmitt>i dont know what to write
12:27<richard1>Hello. Is anyone able to help me with keyboard/xorg problems after upgrading to squeeze? Been trying all afternoon and can't diagnose it on my own. Noob - please be kind. Rich
12:27<SynrG>jillsmitt: just describe precisely the steps you take, what you expect to happen, and what happens instead.
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12:28<amphi>richard1: what keyboard problems?
12:28<jillsmitt>it works again, damn!
12:28<jillsmitt>chaotic visualisation :(
12:28<amphi>richard1: X keycodes have changed, so if you have an old ~/.Xmodmap being used, that may be breaking things
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12:29<SynrG>jillsmitt: is it just GOOM or all visualizations?
12:29<lillecarl>Okay, still when i scroll with my mouse the volume changes and gnome huns up
12:29<arand>jillsmitt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/534553 this your bug? try crossfade as a workaround?
12:29<jillsmitt>it is all visualisations, and if i install exaile - works, removing exaile - doesn not works
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12:30<danilo>is it normal segmentation fault for glxinfo? (yes, I have problem with my radeon rv370, after a dist-upgrade)
12:30<SynrG>arand: from the screenshot jillsmitt provided, i would say no: http://itmages.ru/image/view/131308/572a776a
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12:31<SynrG>arand: visualization is toggled on, nothing appears in the window while song is playing.
12:31<sney>danilo: segvs are not normal. fglrx has its own -info script, as I recall, but for an rv370 you'd be using 'radeon' anyway
12:31<arand>Ah, might be unrelated then...
12:31<richard1>thanks amphi, I'll have a look at that, sounds likely.
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12:32<danilo>sney, i'm using that driver but it seems slow, compiz doens't work with that, and glxinfo goes to seg fault :/
12:32<amphi>richard1: if that's the case, you can use xev to get the new keycodes to adjust your ~/.Xmodmap, if you still need/want it
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12:32<SynrG>jillsmitt: wait, installing exaile makes visualizations work in rhythmbox?
12:32<sney>danilo: do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed? radeons need a microcode from that package otherwise they don't work properly
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12:33<pistolpete>K6ORJ: again thanks for trying to help him as I have an ATi card and my hands were tied. :(
12:33<jillsmitt>SynrG, yea, exacly
12:33<danilo>sney, i've installed that too... I have to reboot?
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12:34*jillsmitt become debian user in search of stable system, damn rhythmbox and my hardware...
12:34<sney>danilo: does glxgears work? what fps does it report?
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12:35<danilo>sney, also glxgears goes to segmentation fault
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12:35<sney>right away? hmm
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12:36<danilo>http://paste.debian.net/108402/
12:36<danilo>maybe I have to remove one of that?
12:37<sney>no, it should be ok to have both present on your system
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12:37<SynrG>jillsmitt: it sounds as if perhaps there is some dependency issue here, but i don't know.
12:37<sney>first try 'aptitude reinstall mesa-utils' on the off-chance it got corrupted somehow
12:37<SynrG>jillsmitt: when you install/remove exaile, is it also removing other packages than exaile?
12:38<jillsmitt>first installation of exaile was with additional packs
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12:38<jillsmitt>but now when i remove it - removes only exaile package
12:38<danilo>re-installed. glxgears always gets seg fault
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12:39<jillsmitt>SynrG, this is not critical, but very poor feeling on debian
12:39<SynrG>jillsmitt: do you have any third-party software installed on this box? and/or have you ever used "--force-*" options to try to resolve an install issue?
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12:40<jillsmitt>i never used force and i have archivers, drivers and something else from third-party
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12:40<SynrG>just trying to understand how exaile would have anything to do with it, as rhythmbox shouldn't care if exaile is there or not unless something is somehow corrupt on your system
12:40<danilo>I would like to ask: after installed firmware-nonfree I have to restart machine?
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12:40<SynrG>filesystem errors of any kind?
12:41<sney>danilo: it couldn't hurt.
12:41<sney>danilo: at least restart X
12:41<jillsmitt>SynrG, okay i'll try to understand where problem is
12:41<SynrG>debsums -c show anything wrong in any of the packages related to this problem?
12:41<jillsmitt>tomorrow
12:41<SynrG>ok
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12:41<jillsmitt>SynrG, give a simple string with debsums please
12:41<jillsmitt>for example
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12:43<SynrG>jillsmitt: see debsums man page. -c gives no output unless there is a problem.
12:43<SynrG>(though there may be some false hits)
12:43<jillsmitt>understood
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12:44<jillsmitt>okay, good night people or have a nice day, depends of time
12:44<SynrG>night
12:44<jillsmitt>yea, night
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12:44*jillsmitt wrote it
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12:45<SynrG>oh, i meant "night" (contraction of "goodnight" :)
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12:47<danilo>i've restard the whole machine but obviously it doesn't work
12:47<danilo>maybe I have to reinstall D6
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12:48<lillecarl>my scroll controlls my volume! -.-'
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12:50<cheche>Is here the right place to ask about partman and preseed.cfg files?
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12:50<themill>dpkg remove rhythmbox is <reply>To remove rhythmbox without removing the rest of gnome, mark the dependencies of gnome as being manually installed (see <unmarkauto>). The gnome <metapackage> will still be uninstalled. aptitude unmarkauto '~R^gnome$' '~RRecommends:^gnome$'; aptitude remove rhythmbox
12:50<dpkg>okay, themill
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12:50<amphi>lillecarl: perhaps you accidentally set a binding for buttons 4 & 5 / wheel to the volume control
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12:51<lillecarl>amphi, i just checked my keyboard shortcuts, but is happened after a restart...
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12:51<amphi>lillecarl: it's a 'mouse shortcut', or maybe even a gesture?
12:51<lillecarl_>hmm
12:51<lillecarl_>well i trought it where generalised :P
12:52<SynrG>the normal behaviour of gnome-volume-control-applet seems to be if the applet has keyboard focus, scrollwheel will control volume
12:52<amphi>perhaps it is
12:52<lillecarl_>where can i find that crap then? :P
12:52<amphi>SynrG: ah, thanks
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12:52<SynrG>also ...
12:52<SynrG>if you click the applet, a slider will appear
12:52<lillecarl>yeah
12:52<SynrG>then it will continue to have focus ...
12:52<lillecarl>well i havent even clicked the applet xD
12:52<SynrG>until you click it again until the slider disappears
12:52<lillecarl>thats the funyn
12:53<SynrG>and then it should no longer have focus
12:53<amphi>the word 'applet' makes my skin crawl
12:53<SynrG>only by hovering mouse over the applet again does it regain focus
12:53<lillecarl>and its some "volume control" that goes in the middle
12:53<SynrG>amphi: at least this one is done sanely as a notification area thing
12:53<lillecarl>so basicly if i remove the "volume applet" its cool? :P
12:53<SynrG>so i am able to test this in a non-gnome desktop (LXDE) in lxpanel's notification area
12:53<SynrG>that's a step up from DE-specific applets
12:54<amphi>SynrG: don't mind me ;)
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12:54<SynrG>lillecarl: well, ideally we would find out why it's getting focus. could indicate some more general problem
12:54<SynrG>so by making the applet go away you would just be hiding the problem and solving nothing :p
12:55<lillecarl>SynrG, well i removed the applet and killed gnome panel
12:55<lillecarl>and hey, still same thing xd?
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12:55<lillecarl>stupid gnome
12:55<lillecarl>dwarf is better :P
12:55<SynrG>so maybe something strange in your X config?
12:55<lillecarl>well
12:55<SynrG>have you messed with xorg.conf?
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12:55<lillecarl>my installation is kinda fresh... :p
12:55<lillecarl>nop :P
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12:56<SynrG>have you imported settings from some other system? copied over the contents of /home from a non-debian system? stuff like that?
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12:56<lillecarl>nop :P
12:56<SynrG>i'm stumped.
12:56<lillecarl>yeah
12:56<lillecarl>the only thing ive done
12:56<lillecarl>is
12:56<lillecarl>wait a sec
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12:57<lillecarl>http://pastebin.com/gSYh6nYt
12:57<lillecarl>so ive installed 2 apps outside the debian repo
12:57<lillecarl>dockbarx
12:57<lillecarl>and swiftfox
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12:58<SynrG>lillecarl: and yet that repo provides *tons* of things
12:58<lillecarl>hey can LXDE use same "applets" as gnome?
12:58<sney>no
12:58<SynrG>any one of which may have "tainted" your system
12:59<lillecarl>what you mean?
12:59<lillecarl>ive just installed 2 applications? :O
12:59<lillecarl>outside :P
12:59<SynrG>did you set a policy to ensure nothing *but* those apps are installed from that repo?
12:59<lillecarl>?
12:59<sney>when you install an application sometimes it depends on other software packages, and brings them along from the same repository if you're not careful
13:00<lillecarl>ah i see what you mean
13:00<lillecarl>well, no i didnt xD im no pr0 here :P
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13:00<sney>when you need to install oddball stuff from 3rd party sources, it is MUCH MUCH safer to download the .deb individually and install with dpkg -i
13:00<lillecarl>but still, it worked fine before this reboot into the devil :P
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13:00<lillecarl>yeh i know, but it takes shitloads of time :P
13:01<lillecarl>comparet to my loved apt-get
13:01<lillecarl>xD
13:01<SynrG>at this point the 3rd-party repo being present in your apt sources is suspect. do a review of your packages to see what non-debian stuff you actually have installed ...
13:01<SynrG>synaptic package manager allows you to easily filter ...
13:01-!-zibi [~zibi@BC24575A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #debian
13:01<SynrG>or if you don't like that, grep-status can too
13:01<SynrG>(command-line tool)
13:01<lillecarl> /somehelpnao :P
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13:01<SynrG>the gui way or the command-line way? :)
13:01<zibi>re
13:02<lillecarl>commandline is easier :P
13:02<lillecarl>to guide in :P
13:02<sney>often there are equivalent dependencies also present in debian's repositories, so aptitude safe-upgrade will fix something you installed with dpkg that's missing deps
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13:02<SynrG>install dctrl-tools
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13:02<lillecarl>sney aptitude safe-upgrade
13:02<lillecarl>didnt give anything
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13:03<lillecarl>okay ive installed dctrl-tools
13:03<K6ORJ>lillecarl: I havent read all the conversation but you are linking to the unstable repository by chance did it update your volume control from unstable?
13:03<danilo>someone can help me with this: http://paste.debian.net/108404/
13:03<lillecarl>K6ORJ, i didnt update anything :P
13:03<K6ORJ>Ok
13:03<zibi>I have a beginner question. I want install a program, but i want to know wich files are installed and wich files are modified. How can I do that easily?
13:03<lillecarl>just installed 1 app from a 3rdparty repo :)
13:03<lillecarl>SynrG, its installed
13:04<K6ORJ>Did that get any files from unstable when it did it?
13:04<arand>zibi: you can use dpkg -c to list the contents of the package
13:04<lillecarl>idk, thats what we are about to check atm i think :)
13:04<jhutchins>zibi: dpkg -L <package>
13:04<lillecarl>SynrG, is kinda like guiding me in howto see what this shit did ;P?
13:04<zibi>arand, jhutchins: thnx
13:05<lillecarl>but he went afk now :P
13:05<zibi>and if it is a soure?
13:05<SynrG>lillecarl: ah, then just follow this :) http://raphaelhertzog.com/tag/cleanup/
13:05<kop>zibi: You use apt-get to download and unpack the source. Then look.
13:06<sney>danilo: is there 'radeon' and radeon-related stuff showing in lsmod?
13:06<kop>zibi: What do you mean "modified"? patched?
13:06<SynrG>lillecarl: sorry, went looking for a recipe for this. i know it's theoretically possible with grep-status but don't know the exact cmd (personally i just use synaptic for this, as raphael indicates in this guide)
13:06<jhutchins>sney: Actually, to FIX a system, aptitude -f install
13:06<jhutchins>sney: That way you don't upgrade anything you didn't mean to.
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13:06<sney>jhutchins: yeah, I always forget that one
13:06<zibi>kop: yes
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13:07<zibi>kop: this is not available in deb :( (wine)
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13:07<danilo>sney, lsmod|grep radeon displays no rows
13:07<kop>zibi: The debian patches are in the source package.
13:07<sney>danilo: 'modprobe radeon' then
13:07<sney>and try to start X again
13:07<SynrG>lillecarl: humm. the previous article might be the place to start ...
13:07<zibi>kop: i know but wine in Debian too old :(
13:07<SynrG>lillecarl: on third party pkgs
13:07<kop>zibi: There might be something in the NEWS.Debian file that comes with each package. See the policy manual.
13:08<lillecarl>yeah?
13:08<zibi>kop: so need original source
13:08<danilo>sney, thanks. restart X
13:08<kop>!tell zibi about ssb
13:08<sney>the unofficial Lamaresh wine repository is not supported here, but in my own experience it works with no trouble
13:08<lillecarl>when i ran the command debsums the entire pc is like checked for something? :P
13:08<kop>!versions wine
13:09<K6ORJ>lillecarl: I would pound out at least the unstable entry unless you really need it for something.
13:09<SynrG>lillecarl: yes. every file in every package. it sums them up
13:09<kop>lillecarl: (Excepting some config files.)
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13:09<lillecarl>K6ORJ, well i really want that one package
13:09<SynrG>lillecarl: aha. this one http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/02/14/debian-cleanup-tip-3-get-rid-of-third-party-packages/
13:09<zibi>sney: works, yes. but old too :(
13:10<SynrG>contains some commands for locating nonstandard stuff
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13:10<zibi>!versions wine
13:10<sney>zibi: iirc the reason for no wine upgrade is that it won't build on amd64
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13:10<sney>judd: versions wine
13:10<judd>Package wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3.1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.0.1-3.1; experimental: 1.1.24-2
13:11<zibi>kop: ?
13:11<lillecarl>i dockbarx - icon-based taskbar (experimental version)
13:11<lillecarl>i dockbarx-themes-extra - DockBarX themes
13:11<lillecarl>i swiftfox-prescott - lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
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13:11<sney>dockbarx sounds like something that could play havoc with volume control
13:11<lillecarl>thats the only packages thats not in the debian repo
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13:12<kop>zibi: The suggestion is to backport yourself the wine from sid. (If that's new enough, dunno.)
13:12<danilo>it seems better, even if glxinfo goes crash
13:12<amphi>richard1: was that it?
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13:12<lillecarl>sney, dockbarx is just a window navigator
13:12<danilo>anyway, i've commented row in /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kvm.conf
13:12<lillecarl>sney, an alternative to the gnome applet "window list" :P
13:12<zibi>kop: thnx. currently stable wine is 1.2.2 :(
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13:13<kop>zibi: Dunno if there's any info about self backport on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware. Do you think there should be?
13:13<sney>zibi: you *could* try bringing the sid source up to the current upstream with uupdate
13:14<lillecarl>SynrG, have i given you enough info about my non debian packages now? :S
13:14<zibi>kop: yes, check it
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13:14<zibi>thnx for help
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13:15<danilo>ctrl+alt+F8 is display 0 or 1? I think I'm on display 1 (dunno wahy, eh) and so this is way glxinfo crashes
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13:16<kop>danilo: Generally ctrl-alt-f7 is 0.
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13:18<danilo>confirm that X loads on display 1. Display 0 is blank. Any hint on how to make display 0 defualt display?
13:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 524] by debhelper
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13:20<sney>it should default to the lowest available number. do you have something else hogging :0, like a vnc server?
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13:20<kop>danilo: Look at /var/log/Xlog*. It may mean you're running a *dm or 0 that's not starting for some reason and then running another. Dunno. I have a gdm on :1/ctrl-alt-f8 because I'm using the box as a thin client so there's a regular gdm and one that puts me on my remote box.
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13:22<danilo>Xlog is Xorg.0 so it is display 0. it is strange, anyway, that ctrl+alt+f7 shows a blank dark screen. GDM is on ctrl+alt+f8
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13:23<danilo>only (EE) in xorg.conf is (EE) GLX error: Can not get required symbols.
13:24<danilo>can I remove GLX loading from xorg.conf?
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13:25<kop>danilo: Does "ps ax" say there's anything on tty7?
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13:26<sney>danilo: you can, but you'd be dropped to 2d only
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13:27<gotnone>how do i show packages which are held back using apt or dpkg?
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13:27<jhutchins>danilo: What's your actuall chipset?
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13:30<kop>gotnone: With aptitude it's "aptitude search '~ahold'", but IIRC apt-get has a different hold mechanisim. I could be wrong.
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13:30<gotnone>ok i think I have aptitude installed
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13:31<gotnone>thanks kop
13:31<kop>gotnone: That's only for stuff you've put on hold.
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13:31<kop>gotnone: If you wnat to see what will update that's "aptitude update; aptitude search '~U'".
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13:34<un214>how to change console font to something readable?
13:34<un214>I'm sshed in as root right now
13:35<abrotman>dpkg-reconfigure console-data
13:35<abrotman>dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
13:35<abrotman>not the first one
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13:35<kop>un214: What version of Debian? Is the text teeny? (I had that problem with squeeze and couldn't immediately fix it.)
13:35<un214>kop: that's right
13:35<kop>un214: Try what abrotman says. I thought I tried it, but....
13:36<danilo>kop, http://paste.debian.net/108406/
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13:37<kop>danilo: Just "ps ax" no -.
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13:38<un214>abrotman: thanks that did it
13:38<abrotman>any better?
13:38<abrotman>stuff it eh?
13:38<un214>about irc as root
13:38<abrotman>:)
13:38<un214>when system is broken that's obnoxious
13:38<abrotman>we used to have a lot more people doing it .. and they were using bitchx .. and that has known vulns
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13:39<abrotman>we used to have a bot announce it when people joined as root
13:39<danilo>kop, http://paste.debian.net/108407/
13:39<abrotman>dpkg: root
13:39<dpkg>It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306
13:39<abrotman>oh .. darn it
13:39<un214>it gets banned before the bot announce gets through
13:39<abrotman>on freenode it is not
13:40<sney>danilo: so you have another X running at tty8
13:40<danilo>sney, yes. How to solve?
13:40<un214>kill it?
13:40<un214>how do I turn *off* usb.
13:41<kop>danilo: So I don't see anything on tty7, at least not now....
13:41<un214>it's hardware broken
13:41<un214>and spews messages
13:41<danilo>how to solve *definitively*
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13:41<sney>un214: modprobe -r usbcore ?
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13:42<un214>can't
13:42<un214>module is in use
13:42<Drayakir>Hey everyone. I have a question. I recently update ~1k packages via apt. Now, my keyboard and mouse aren't working.
13:42<un214>let's see if blacklist & reboot works
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13:42<kidconcept>hey all, i'm a bit at ends on solving this one. i'm trying to install php5-gd on my lenny server, but i've got all manner of unmet dependencies. php5-gd is only showing two lines, and i'm not sure what they mean. http://paste.debian.net/108408/
13:43<Drayakir>I'm running squeeze, on a 1005ha Asus EEE netbook,
13:43<Drayakir>For some odd reason, I don't have a xorg.conf file, and I can't figure out what's my keyboard driver (lsmod doesn't list one).
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13:44<sney>Squeeze has no xorg.conf by default. everything is (or should be) autodetected
13:45<themill>kidconcept: don't mix lenny and squeeze and dotdeb... you've got a lovely mess there!
13:45<Drayakir>Uh-huh. Well, it's not. They keyboard itself works (I'm currently under single-user mode), so I can type into the console.
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13:45<cahoot>http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide
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13:46<kidconcept>themill: thanks, is it just the dotdeb repository i need to nix? i'm pretty newb so i'm not sure what to do.
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13:47<Drayakir>So, it's just not detecting it?
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13:48<Drayakir>Hmm. How can I check whether /etc/default/keyboard is correct?
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13:49<jhutchins>Drayakir: How/why did you update 1000 packages? Are you tracking testing or something?
13:49<kop>!tell kidconcept about overview
13:49<Drayakir>On a side note, when the login screen comes up, the "FN" keys (increasing brightness and so on) work.
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13:50<Drayakir>Well, I updated 1000 packages because I didn't update for a while, because I still have the mindset that updates=bad.
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13:50<kidconcept>kop: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-basic_defs.en.html ?
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13:51<un214>blacklist doesn't work on usbcore
13:51<kidconcept>kop: or http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/tools.html ?
13:51<un214>neither does alias usbcore off
13:51<sney>you could blacklist uhci and ohci
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13:53<Drayakir>So, the problem seems to arise when gdm is started. What if I just install KDE? Might that work?
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13:54<sney>or remove gdm
13:54-!-rik_ [~rik@d54C5D66D.access.telenet.be] has joined #debian
13:54<sney>use xinit instead of a *dm
13:54<Drayakir>So, I would need to tell init to load xinit instead of gdm?
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13:55<sney>no, tell init to not load gdm at all. 'use xinit' is just shorthand for logging in at the cli and starting X manually
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13:55<jhutchins>sney: He's not running debian, those options might not be available.
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13:55<sney>oh? then why are we helping him
13:56<Drayakir>Yes I am.?
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13:57<un214>sney: that worked
13:57<un214>also needed usb_storage
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13:58<sney>Drayakir: disregard jhutchins then, and tell init not to load gdm
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13:58<Drayakir>Got it. Doing it now
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14:02<jhutchins>Drayakir: My sincere apologies, someone else was messing with antiX, got you mixed up.
14:03<Drayakir>No worries.
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14:03<Drayakir>Nope. Didn't work.
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14:04<Drayakir>I did update-rc.d -f remove gdm
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14:17<user01>hi my friend wants to know how to get 3d functionality with his NVIDIA - GeForce 4 Go 420 32MB card
14:17<user01>is there a non-free package he can install?
14:17<sney>there is!
14:17<sney>it would be one of the legacy nvidia packages
14:18<user01>sney: oh, is there a wiki page for which one?
14:18<bartm>!nvidia
14:18<dpkg>Install either <nouveau> (no 3D support) or the appropriate proprietary driver package for your card. For GeForce 6xxx through to some GeForce 400 series, ask me about <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>; for older series, ask about <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. For oldstable, see <nvidia lenny>. nvidia.com packages are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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14:18<user01>bartm: thanks
14:18<jhutchins>fLoo: iptables only works with ips.
14:18<sney>I think it would be the 96xx
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14:19<Talon>mine was 173xx i believe? i originally tried 96xx and i got all kinda display issues and segmentation faults lol I found mine with package.debian.org i believe for the proper nvidia-glx-legacy package
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14:20<Talon>woops its packages.debian.org
14:22<sney>geforce 4 go is a geforce 2 card, so its really old tech. I think the chip is NV18 or so
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14:22<Talon>http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx
14:23<Talon>should see if your cards listed on that
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14:23<Talon>theres a link for similar packages on the right if its not in that one
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14:24<Drayakir2>Hypothetically speaking, there is a way to restore funcitonality with a netinst boot USB, right?
14:24<Drayakir2>Without deleting all my files and such.
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14:35<seifulla>et' rus?
14:36<seifulla>kto
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14:38<jhutchins>!ru
14:38<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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14:39<jhutchins>Drakevr: Theoretically.
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14:39<seifulla>tnx
14:39<jhutchins>Drakevr: After all, it usually gives you a menu for "expert" and such.
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14:42<Drakevr>jhutchins: /ws 34
14:42<Drakevr>damn damn damn ~_~
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14:43<Drakevr>also ahm jhutchins that was a wrong highlight and sorry for the(still wrong) highlight ~_~
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14:49<fLoo>jhujhiti : is there an alternative which works using dns ?
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14:51<jhutchins>fLoo: route
14:51<jhutchins>fLoo: Actually, no, route uses IPs too.
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14:53<jhutchins>fLoo: What are you really trying to do and why?
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15:06<mehdi_>does anyone knows how can i setup windows VPN connection in ubuntu?
15:06<sney>I bet #ubuntu would know.
15:06<sney>open up your server list, actually look at it this time
15:07<sney>there will be an option called either "freenode" or "ubuntu servers". either one of them will take you to the right place
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15:13<fLoo>jhutchins : i am trying to get internal ip-routing based on dns-queries
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15:13<fLoo>means: i have 1 public ip (internet) and 20 internet ips
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15:13<fLoo>and i would like to route all SSH-Queries to my public ip to internal ips
15:13<fLoo>dependend on what dns you access
15:14<fLoo>like ssh1.domain.tld -> 192.168.0.1 | ssh2.domain.tld -> 192.168.0.2
15:15<valdyn>fLoo: that cant work
15:16<seifulla>!ru
15:16<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
15:16<fLoo>valdyn : any workaround available or known ?
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15:16<valdyn>fLoo: you can use specific ports
15:17<valdyn>fLoo: but why make this complicyted when you can just do a 2-step login
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15:20<valdyn>fLoo: "ssh user@public ip publicip ssh user@privateip" : one command, 2-step login
15:20<valdyn>fLoo: "ssh user@publicip ssh user@privateip" : one command, 2-step login
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15:21<fLoo>well that would work
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15:21<fLoo>but i thought it might be a pretty good idea to automate the task to just have 1-step login at this point
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15:25<valdyn>fLoo: when you log in somewhere with ssh, then the login target cannot know which name you used to look it up
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15:26<iron>hi
15:27<iron>what is a good pim for debian?
15:28<iron>i am a single user with a debian server. i want to have email with an adressbook. the only problem is: i am changing my computers quite often.
15:29<iron>i read about groupware, but i think this is just too big for me.
15:29<streuner>dpkg, pim
15:29<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, pim is Personal Information Management
15:30<fLoo>valdyn: a good start would be to somehow retrieve these informations
15:30<iron>currently i am using a imap server with openldap, but i hate how i have to update my adressbook over phpldapadmin
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15:55<plisman>All pictures of Shakira and Pique's dinner on Sunday, published by a group of fans to blow the exclusive Shakira ... http://tinyurl.com/4pfu6hn
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15:57<twanny796>debhelper: which kernel has support for pata_it821x ?
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16:02<darius>qemu is very slow (my laptop does not support kvm) what could be alternative? installing winblows guest in debian host without gui?
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16:04<spleen>is there a irc for backtrack?
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16:04<streuner>dpkg, backtrack
16:04<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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16:13<spleen>has anyone here used AP Hopper before
16:13<gsimmons>twanny796: Any Debian kernel since linux-2.6 2.6.32-10 (e.g. Squeeze) ; /msg judd kconfig CONFIG_PATA_IT821X
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16:33<tlamer>hi
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16:33<tlamer>i need to set up monitoring software for single server machine
16:33<tlamer>any suggestions?
16:34<tlamer>nagios seems too complex to me...
16:35<tlamer>i need to monitor cpu load, memory usage, it would be nice to do some integrity checks on some chosen files...
16:35<valdyn>tlamer: it is not
16:35<tlamer>it sould do email or jabber notifications...
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16:35<tlamer>valdyn: and what abou zabbix?
16:35<valdyn>tlamer: nagios is not complex to set up
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16:36<tlamer>valdyn: do you think that it is suitable for my needs?
16:37<valdyn>tlamer: certainly, i use icinga though
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16:42<tlamer>valdyn: thanks
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17:02<jhutchins>valdyn: I'd like to see something you consider IS complex to set up.
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17:03<sney>sendmail ? :)
17:03<valdyn>jhutchins: whenever you need to custimise a debian provided package heavily
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17:05<jhutchins>sney: When I built my first mailserver I couldn't find good documentation on m4 and I didn't understand it, so I just wrote the sendmail configuration from scratch.
17:05<valdyn>wow
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17:06<sney>that could have been yesterday, there is no good documentation on m4 even to this date
17:06<sney>but, still, holy crap
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17:17<kop>sney: m4 is documented, but not sendmail's m4 stuff. (I like m4.)
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17:19<kop>I am copying data off a drive that failed and had it's pcb board replaced for temporary recesitation. I gave dd a bs=512, and the copy is taking hours, like 3+ so far. Does specifying a bs slow it down or are we just looking at slow drives? The source drive is 400G. There's no errors on the console.
17:19<mc68040>sney: and sendmail macros are most documented in /usr/share/doc/sendmail-cf/cf.READMe.gz
17:19<kop>mc68040: For some value of "documented".
17:19<kop>If bs does slow it down, why would that be?
17:20<mc68040>kop: well, for me it was always enough :)
17:20<retrospectacus>too much BS will slow down any process
17:20<kop>mc68040: Yes, I did get it to work. (And am now _so_ must happier with postfix!)
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17:21<mc68040>kop: well, me too, at least the newer postfix versions
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17:22<valdyn>kop: 400GB at 10MB/sec makes like 40000 sec, which gives more than 10 hours, do you maths..
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17:24<valdyn>kop: i would use a tool that gives you progress reports though, faulty disks can take years or more for this
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17:24<kop>valdyn: Hum, yes. I guess I have no idea what the sustained data transfer rate of these things are. I could actually start by paying attention.
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17:24<kop>valdyn: So long even with no messages on the console?
17:24<valdyn>kop: faulty disk should spam dmesg iirc
17:24<Guest2158>ok
17:25<kop>valdyn: Ok. Thanks. I already had a spate of those before trying to fix the disk.
17:25<Guest2158>bye
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17:27<zamyr>hola alguin me puede decir como se instala sle-2.0-4.i386.rpm
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17:27<sney>man, I didn't even have enough time to !es
17:27<micove>!es
17:27<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:28<sney>he is already gone, micove.
17:28<micove>oh I was just curious
17:28<kop>!tell micove about msg the bot
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18:10<edy_>how can i upgrade squeeeze to wheezy
18:10<edy_>?
18:10<edy_>pls
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18:10<themill>edy_: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy
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18:24<jhutchins>edy_: Why?
18:24<rudi_s>edy_: If you have to ask, better don't.
18:25<streuner>edy_: testing sucks these days...
18:25<jhutchins>edy_: Wheezy just started testing, if you don't already know how to upgrade you're probably in for a very rough time.
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18:27<user01_>can i get 3d support on ati x300 radeon in squeeze? i thought it was dropped in lenny
18:28<abrotman>probably with the radeon or radeonhd .. fglrx probably doesn't work on it
18:28<sney>yeah, with radeon
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18:28<sney>I'm sitting on an x1300 in squeeze right now, 3d works
18:29<doubledutch>When I sudo apt-get upgrade I get: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key
18:29<doubledutch>Debian-Archive-Keyring is up to date and installed.
18:29<doubledutch>Is this a common issue/break for everybody?
18:30<sney>try a different mirror
18:31<themill>doubledutch: Ganneff ^^ is that bad-sig stuff part of your current work or a different problem?
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18:31<Ganneff>badsig shouldnt happen due to that, no
18:32<user01_>sney, x300 not x1300
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18:32<themill>Ganneff: hmm.. there's been a lot of that going around tonight though.
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18:32<sney>user01_: yeah, but the method should be identical, since they're both too old for fglrx. xserver-xorg-video-radeon and firmware-linux-nonfree are the packages you need, then it Just Works (tm)
18:33<user01_>sney, ah ok
18:33<Ganneff>themill: yes, but badsig means trouble with the gpg part of it, and THAT i didnt touch
18:33<user01_>sney, yep its too old for it i think
18:34<Ganneff>themill: i did touch the checksum part of the release file, and there i had a bug it seems (push with fix went out some minutes ago), but that shouldnt say BADSIG then
18:34<jhutchins>doubledutch: It's starting to look like something broken.
18:34<user01_>sney, i havent upgrade from lenny yet cause i wasnt sure about 3d
18:34<krono>Ganneff: I'm here because of a badsig problem… its popping up around me.
18:34<user01_>sney, lenny was the last time fglrx was supporting that card
18:34<sney>ah
18:34<themill>Ganneff: ack. I wasn't sure if the signatures weren't being updated at the moment after the exchange on d-devel earlier today.
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18:35<krono>Ganneff: tried reimporting the mentioned key, didn't help
18:35<krono>Ganneff: can I help tracking down the problem/
18:35<Ganneff>oh. wow. now i can reproduce it. hrm.
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18:36<user01_>are there any backports to get more recent versions of texlive?
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18:36<abrotman>user01_: why not just upgrade to squeeze?
18:36<sney>Ganneff: just saw a report of the same error for security.d.o in the other #debian
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18:36<themill>user01_: texlive 2009 is your one and only choice.
18:37<user>lapai te
18:37<user>kura
18:37<user>golem
18:37<user01_>themill, yeah i know, i think they are on texlive 2011 now though
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18:37<Guest2162>nalapai go
18:37<user01_>themill, and pgf/tikz has advanced a lot since then
18:37<Guest2162>got e
18:37<Guest2162>s kosmi
18:37<Guest2162>eee
18:38<themill>Guest2162: english here... and #ubuntu is on irc.freenode.net
18:39<user01_>stealing my name :P
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18:39<Ganneff>wtf. its GOODSIG on ftp-master host
18:40<krono>Ganneff: that is, the sigs differ?
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18:40<Ganneff>ah. at least the mirror i used to test has a old file. check your mirror to see which Date: it has in the release file. the working one is from 23:15 UTC
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18:41<doubledutch>You all are awesome - keep up the good work! Debian is the best Distro in the world.
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18:41<doubledutch>!qotd0
18:41<dpkg><azeroth> i am looking for a tool to see all computers in my lan <azeroth> like winows <azeroth> do i need the ip for it? <tarzeau> azeroth: no you need a clue <azeroth> whats a clue?
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18:43<krono>Ganneff: as of ftp2.de.debian.org: Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 12:29:37 UTC
18:43<Ganneff>krono: no, thats stable. you want to check testing
18:43<krono>Ganneff: kk
18:43<krono>Ganneff: then, its Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 20:58:22 UTC
18:44<Ganneff>thats the old and broken one
18:44<Ganneff>push i srunning, looks like it takes a little right now to distribute the fix
18:44<krono>kk thanks anyways :)
18:44<Ganneff>worst case its fixed tomorrow morning (UTC) :D
18:45<krono>Ganneff: ;P apticron will pollute my inbox
18:45<Ganneff>you know, cron can be turned off :)
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18:46<krono>I know, but its not worth the effort for 7 Servers for one night
18:46<krono>However. Thanks for fixing
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18:51<user_>FUCK OF ALL
18:52<user_>OK
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18:52<streuner>hehe
18:52*Kung_Fu_Cracka uses the fist-of-fried-chicken
18:52<themill>user_: please go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
18:53<streuner>why ubuntu?
18:53<streuner>themill: are you able to read mind? ;-)
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18:54<abrotman>streuner: have a problem with that?
18:54-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
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18:54<streuner>abrotman: iam glad you arent able to :-P
18:55*abrotman can read streuner's mind .. "More JD and more The Wire .. That's a good night"
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19:02<Noobie>Hey guys
19:02<Noobie>I need some advice
19:02<sney>ask away, Noobie
19:02<Noobie>When I type 'airodump-ng -w wep -c 11 --bssid (NUMBER) mon0'
19:02<Noobie>it Collects no packets
19:03<sney>well, maybe you should read the airodump-ng documentation, and the specs on your nic
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19:03<Noobie>Sounds interesting, I will look into this.
19:04<sney>also, are you using backtrack by any chance
19:04<Noobie>Because I know my hardware is compatible im just unsure
19:04<Noobie>Yes backtrack R2 final
19:04<sney>another thing you should do is be careful about where you go for support
19:04<hev>:O hey, i also need some advice guys.. i have to install php.. but i can't solve the GCC dependency (even tough my system says it's installed) and if I use aptitude it says that it can't find some file
19:05<sney>for instance, you're using backtrack, but this place is called #debian. you want #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net.
19:05<Noobie>Ahhh
19:05<Noobie>I new to all of this
19:05<abrotman>hev: put your sources.list in a pastebin .. and the full output of the command you're trying to use
19:05<sney>hev: details? care to put the whole error on paste.debian.net and show us?
19:05<themill>hev: please pastebin a real error not a summary of it
19:05<sney>Noobie: always read, and read some more.
19:05<hev>okei sorry
19:05<Noobie>Thanks sney
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19:06<hev>will do that on a minute, thx guys
19:06<hev>but first.. how can i do a pastebin .. sorry for my noobish
19:06<hev>?
19:06-!-nardev [~nardev@109.175.94.194] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
19:06<themill>!paste
19:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
19:07<Noobie>Damn nobody logged in there -_-
19:07-!-mentor [~mentor@92.39.205.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:07<hev>thx
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19:07<sney>Noobie: read the whole thing. I said, irc.freenode.net. that's a different server. read this, too: http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html
19:07<devil>Noobie: its a different network, freenode, this is oftc
19:08<sney>there are currently 183 people in #backtrack-linux, a far cry from nobody
19:08<Noobie>Must be doing something wrong then lol
19:08<sney>start with /server irc.freenode.net
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19:09<Noobie>inside here I type that I guess
19:09<sney>yes
19:09<Noobie>thanks mate
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19:10<hev>here guys.. i did a pastebin.. this is the error..
19:10<hev>http://paste.debian.net/108436/
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19:10<hev>is a dependency issue, but i can't solve it
19:11<themill>hev: why don't you just install the debian packages? "aptitude install php5"
19:11<hev>that's the other problem here see
19:11<abrotman>it is?
19:11<themill>no, I can't... until you pastebin it.
19:12*abrotman asked for the sources.list ..
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19:12<hev>thx guys.. it seems aptitude did it.. i followed the instructions on a web that said to use apt-get install php* and that caused me an error
19:12<hev>sorry xd
19:13<hev>fell kinda dumb now xd
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19:13<themill>dpkg: tell hev about lamp
19:13<devil>hev: apt-get install should also work
19:13<retrospectacus>probably means you are supposed to put your desired version of php (4 or 5) in there instead of *
19:13<hev>yeah, that seems to be the case
19:14<themill>retrospectacus: which probably tells us how well maintained and up to date the documentation is...
19:14<hev>but anyway.. thx guys.. i'm gonna try to attach it to apache now
19:14<abrotman>hev: libapache2-mod-php5
19:14<retrospectacus>no way!, everyone keeps their docs up to date don't they? :P
19:14<themill>or maybe they're just getting ready for php6 ....
19:15<hev>u say it's better to use lamp?
19:15<streuner>dpkg, lamp
19:15<dpkg>LAMP: Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server. Ask me about <install debian><install apache2><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?), or "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql". http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp
19:15<themill>streuner: yes... that's exactly what dpkg just told him...
19:15<streuner>oh
19:16<streuner>themill: sounds like he didnt read it then? ;-)
19:17<hev>?
19:17<streuner>themill: but to be fair, i didnt read your message above...
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19:18<streuner>hev: themill told you about <lamp>, read the factoid
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19:18<hev>yes he did
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19:19<hev>and that's why i asked he if it was better to do that (libaapa...) than php5
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19:20<hev>thx ;)
19:20<hev>i'm beginning to see the forest now
19:20<retrospectacus>it really all depends what you are wanting to do, you probably want <lamp>
19:21<hev>yes actually, lamp is the way to go
19:21<streuner>!karma retrospectacus++
19:21<dpkg>retrospectacus++ has neutral karma
19:21<streuner>!retrospectacus++
19:22<hev>thx for the advice guys
19:22-!-freex [~user@93-82-80-165.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:22<themill>hev: just installing php5 will most likely have already done some of that for you. Just keep going.
19:22<retrospectacus>sweet sweet karma
19:22<hev>yes.. will keep going.. can't give up now you know jaja
19:22<streuner>retrospectacus: send pizzas :-P
19:24<streuner>dpkg, karma retrospectacus
19:24<dpkg>retrospectacus has karma of 1
19:24<streuner>hm
19:25-!-winsen [~winsen@pas75-4-88-176-17-102.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
19:26<streuner>well, iam more than 10 years here and i have only a karma of 3 :-)
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19:27<abrotman>i have -12
19:27-!-awoodland [~woodalan@81.187.233.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:27<streuner>retrospectacus: so dont unterestimate karma...
19:27<streuner>-12?
19:28<streuner>dpkg, karma abrotman
19:28<dpkg>abrotman has karma of 48
19:28<streuner>haha
19:28<abrotman>close ..
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19:30<retrospectacus>!karma themill
19:30<dpkg>themill has karma of 13
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19:32<streuner>the tric is prolly, to help people in an unusual way, who are able to know about dpkg :-)
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19:32<timon>streuner: just remember, balanced karma is the way to nirvana
19:32<streuner>timon: hehe :-)
19:33<timon>too much off 0 in either direction and you're up to a reconnect
19:33<krono>timon: which is, actually, inexistance ;)
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19:41<krono>Ganneff: the ftp2.de.debian.org mirror is clean now
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19:49<karrick>first time debian user, question regarding periodic dropping of 'Auto eth0' wired ethernet connection.
19:49<karrick>(running squeeze amd64 on Intel core i3 hardware)
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19:50<streuner>so you have a problem to use wireless?
19:51<sney>karrick: sometimes if your router resets for whatever reason, the OS will not automatically bring it back up again.
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19:51<d12>Hello guys. How can I install Qt 4.7 in Squeeze? I tried "aptitude install -t experimental libqtcore4", and it tries to remove entire KDE O_O
19:51<streuner>just dont use experimental at all
19:52<amphi>that is mighty obliging of it ;)
19:52<d12>Qt 4.7 is only in experimental
19:52<d12>not in testing
19:52<streuner>sure, but it causes headaches...
19:52<sney>it conflicts with the version of qt in squeeze, so installing it removes that qt, which removes the rest of kde due to dependency
19:53<karrick>I'm a convert from fedora since fedora 11. Never had this symptom, but it uses network manager as well.
19:53<kop>How can I install the diff package while running the installer? (I want to test that my dd worked with cmp.) rescue mode seems unhelpful because there's no /fs available. (Just /boot.)
19:54<kop>!tell d12 about overview
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19:54<kop>Basically, I've a random disk in there, and a blank one, and I've pxebooted into the installer. dd is there, but not cmp.
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19:55<karrick>I've read README.Debian on the changes to Network Manager for Squeeze. Read man page for /e/n/i. Is there a better place to post my question, some sort of network group?
19:55<d12>sney> it's impossible, because every Qt update in testing should remove KDE, this is not happening
19:56<abrotman>karrick: you have to ask an actual question :)
19:56-!-winsen [~winsen@pas75-4-88-176-17-102.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
19:56<d12>because aptitude knows that it just upgrades a library, not removing it completely
19:56<karrick>abrotman: Thanks. How do I prevent Network Manager from killing my wired ethernet connection?
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19:57<abrotman>killing when ?
19:57<d12>kop: I know
19:58<karrick>Whenever I leave my computer for a few hours, I come back and the network connection is severed.
19:58<d12>So, how to upgrade to Qt 4.7 from experimental?
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19:59<maher>d12: why not make a chroot and play with it in there?
19:59<kop>d12: You either run experimenal, realizing that it's unsupported and breaks. Or you try to backport it yourself. The latter sounds complicated for something like qt.
19:59<streuner>d12: experimental is a playground of DD's...
19:59<kop>!tell d12 about ssb
20:00<streuner>d12: why do you need QT 4,7 at all, btw?
20:00<d12>I need a qtmobility library, it depends on Qt 4.7
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20:01<streuner>what for?
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20:01<d12>kop: there is no Qt 4.7 in backports
20:02<streuner>sure
20:02<streuner>just tell us, why do you need a qtmobility lib
20:02<kop>d12: You said it was in sid. The factoid tells you how to make your own backport of what's in sid. (Something with so many depenencies sounds hard to backport.)
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20:02<winsen>hello
20:03<jadew>hi guys, any idea where menu.lst go? for grub
20:03<d12>kop: No, I didn't say that
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20:03<streuner>d12: you need to know what you are doing, otherwise its insane to use experimental...
20:03<maher>d12: i'm currently trying to build the meego stuff, so I just made a chroot and i have stuff i'm playing with in there...
20:04<streuner>see
20:04<d12>streuner: I am using iceweasel from experimental, it is ok. I Believe Qt 4.7 is rather stable
20:04<streuner>d12: sure, sometimes, but most times its a mess...
20:05<d12>maher: chroot is a last chance I will try
20:05<jadew>guys, any idea how to configure grub? the menu.lst file is not present anymore
20:06<jadew>also, is there anything I can do about this fonts? they're killing me, if I lower the resolution and restart X the fonts get smaller too
20:06<jadew>I have to use binoculars to read what I'm saying
20:06<retrospectacus>!dpi
20:06<dpkg>[dpi] Your Dots Per Inch setting affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_millimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, ask me about <xorg config>. http://scanline.ca/dpi/
20:07<kop>jadew: Isn't there dpkg-reconfigure console-settings (or console-* some package)?
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20:08<jadew>kop, there is, but it doesn't give you a choice to remove items or reorder them
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20:08<jadew>ah, you mean for the fonts
20:08<kop>jadew: I'm just recalling something from the squeeze release notes vis the console fonts and X fonts.
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20:09<_44Kbps_>hi
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20:09<kop>Shucks. No way to get 'cmp' into a pxeboot environment without having a fs on a drive somewhere to work with?
20:10<kop>_44Kbps_: Hi. If you've a question just ask.
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20:10<_44Kbps_>I like to give you the right question, It's about my nickname?
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20:12<_44Kbps_>Ok, I see my bad english first
20:12<_44Kbps_>:)
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20:13<kop>_44Kbps_: What language do you speak? There's support for Debian in other languages in other channels.
20:13<_44Kbps_>Catalan
20:13<_44Kbps_>But I like to practice my english
20:13<karrick>To where can I go for help troubleshooting my network connection?
20:13<kop>karrick: For debian? Ask here.
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20:14<_44Kbps_>I'm working on my debian squeeze home server
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20:14<maher>karrick: have you looked in /var/log/daemon.log - does it say anything useful?
20:14<karrick>Debian Squeeze fresh install amd64: network connection drops every time I walk away from my computer for a few hours.
20:15<karrick>maher: checking /var/log/daemon.log...
20:15<_44Kbps_>It's an old laptop. The question: (I have no X) when the battery are so low the debian will show down? (halt properly)
20:15<maher>karrick: it might be that nm is logging you out of the network when it thinks you're logged out - try setting the auto eth0 to available to all users
20:15<_44Kbps_>I want to use the laptop battery as a UPS
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20:17<_44Kbps_>sorry show down=shut down
20:18<karrick>maher: I read about that in man pages. As far as I know, the connection is available to all users. I've also conducted an experiment where I stay logged in and just lock the screen.
20:18<maher>karrick: it should say something about what its doing in daemon.log
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20:19<karrick>maher: Reviewed the logs. Connection aquired this morning when I reset, nothing about the connection dropping, then connection aquired again when I got home from work and manually reset.
20:19<karrick>maher: Feb 21 07:40:08 iron dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 192.168.1.1 port 67
20:19<karrick>Feb 21 07:40:08 iron dhclient: DHCPACK from 192.168.1.1
20:19<karrick>Feb 21 07:40:08 iron dhclient: bound to 192.168.1.2 -- renewal in 37619 seconds.
20:19<karrick>Feb 21 07:40:08 iron NetworkManager[1690]: <info> (eth0): DHCPv4 state changed reboot -> renew
20:19<karrick>Feb 21 07:40:08 iron NetworkManager[1690]: <info> address 192.168.1.2
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20:21<karrick>maher: sorry, tried to paste from one emacs buffer into irc mode, and got kicked out.
20:21<maher>karrick: use pastebin
20:21<karrick>maher: nothing in log to explain disconnect.
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20:24<maher>karrick: nm has some sort of debug mode you can run it in for verbose reporting
20:25<karrick>maher: okay, checking man page for nm to turn on debug mode...
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20:28<karrick>maher: Resetting network manager with logging set to debug. I may drop out.
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20:29<krsna>how come that manpages are displayed with the pager "less" if they are formatted only with "groff -mandoc" according to /etc/manpath.config, which does produce a postscript output?
20:30<sortadi>krsna, goura hare
20:30<abrotman>english ?
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20:32<krsna>abrotman you mean me?
20:32<karrick>maher: I just restarted nm with debug logging. Thanks for your help. I'm going to keep an eye on it until next failure. Appreciate your time.
20:32<karrick>maher: I'm a convert from Fedora | RHEL, so your pointers have been helpful.
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20:33<maher>karrick: nm is a bit tricky - it tends to fail intermittently and then its much harder to debug - good luck
20:36<karrick>maher: thanks.
20:36<krsna>abrotman, ah, yes. thanks :)
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20:37<karrick>maher: found this in daemon.log.1 (archived): "NetworkManager[1690]: <warn> (pid 1848) unhandled DHCP event for interface eth0"
20:38<karrick>maher: "NetworkManager[1690]: <error> [1298192020.333154] [nm-system.c:1229] check_one_route(): (eth0): error -34 returned from rtnl_route_del(): Netlink Error (errno = Numerical result out of range)"
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20:40<maher>karrick: that seems to be a problem - i have no idea what the means though
20:40<karrick>maher: it makes sense to me. Looking further in the logs, it happens when my DHCP expires.
20:41<karrick>maher: perhaps DHCP expires, nm looks for new IP address, (which is statically mapped by my router based on server MAC address), and the function that deletes old routes is returning an invalid response code...
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20:43<karrick>maher: okay, I'm going to poke at this some more. I appreciate your debian pointers!
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20:50<sortadi>FTP Vs. Webdav for managing a web project remotely
20:50<sortadi>what do you guys recommend?
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20:51<cthuluh>sftp
20:51<karrick>sortadi: rsync via ssh
20:51<sortadi>karrick, you see, I'm using Quanta freezed from Lenny
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20:51<sortadi>karrick, and to do ssh I need some kio-slave which is no more available
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20:52<sortadi>karrick, so I have only three possibilities to handle the Web project with Quanta to a server: ftp, webdav, webdavs
20:52<sortadi>cthuluh, recommend me some good ftp server
20:53<cthuluh>openssh ;)
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20:53<cthuluh>or vsftpd is you want to experience pain with ftp
20:53<cthuluh>!ftp must die
20:53<dpkg>FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html
20:53<sortadi>cthuluh, same reason I have karrick
20:53<cthuluh>sortadi: I can read, don't worry ;)
20:53<sortadi>I gave, sorry
20:53<sortadi>cthuluh, but what about WebDAV?
20:54<cthuluh>I don't use it much often, but it seems more complex than sftp, imho
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20:57<lu>so... later debian ftp master would be debian http master?
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21:02<_44Kbps_>Is there someone using mldonkey? What is the best look like IU?
21:02<_44Kbps_>UI
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21:18<snowrichard>hello
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21:20<snowrichard>i need to build mit-scheme from source as its not available in the repositories i have set. what packages give me make and the compilers and such
21:20<snowrichard>i think its c
21:20<cthuluh>build-essential
21:20<cthuluh>and apt-get build-dep mit-scheme
21:20<snowrichard>can't find that in synaptic
21:20<cthuluh>then you have a problem
21:21<snowrichard>i'm on debian 6
21:21<snowrichard>freshly installed pretty much
21:21<cthuluh>me too. and I have a package called build-essential installed
21:22<snowrichard>let me check the sources
21:22<cthuluh>so did you update your apt repos?
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21:23<th>just checked aptitude. found mit-scheme-doc, but no mit-scheme
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21:25<snowrichard>ok i just updated the package lists with dselect and found build-essential i don't know if mit-scheme is there or not
21:26<snowrichard>but i have the source
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21:26<jillsmitt>hello everybody
21:27<cozminsky>hi jillsmitt
21:29<cthuluh>snowrichard: you don't need the original source. just apt-get source mit-scheme
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21:30<snowrichard>ok still doing some updates
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21:37<snowrichard>ok i did apt-get source mit-scheme what's the command to build it?
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21:40<snowrichard>never mind i tried apt-get install and there is a binary package after all
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21:40<cthuluh>8)
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21:43<snowrichard>ok thanks it fires up
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21:43<snowrichard>i don't know emacs that will take a bit
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21:53<th>mit-scheme package is only available for i386
21:54<cthuluh>he's out
21:54<retrospectacus>went to learn emacs
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21:55<th>oh
21:55<th>anyone uses fluxbox?
21:57<retrospectacus>yes
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21:58<th>after a few hours of use, especially if i open/close many windows, the taskbar seems to be drawing so slow
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21:58<th>i can see every task flicker one by one from left to right
21:58<th>it goes away if i restart fluxbox
21:59<th>i wonder if it's just me or everyone else too
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22:05<jillsmitt>i have a problems with suspend mode
22:05<jillsmitt>my notebook does not wake up after suspend
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22:05<th>the screen stays blank?
22:05<jillsmitt>my swap space is only 270 Mb and RAM size is 4Gb
22:05<jillsmitt>yes
22:06<jillsmitt>sreen stays blank
22:06<th>is this a suspend of hibernate?
22:06<th>is this a suspend or hibernate?
22:06<jillsmitt>suspend
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22:07<th>is it an nvidia video adapter?
22:07<ramnet>you would need to increase your swap space to at least the size of your physical memory for hibernate to work
22:07<jillsmitt>yes, it is nvidia gpu
22:07<th>it could be the cause
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22:08<jillsmitt>hmm
22:08<th>my previous laptop has an nvidia gpu and still has the same problem as yours
22:08<jillsmitt>nvidia was good a couple of years i thought
22:08<th>still can't get it to work till now
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22:10<retrospectacus>my laptop is nvidia and has problems with hibernate but suspend works
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22:16<Drayakir>Is xkb the standard keyboard driver?
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22:17<sney>I believe so
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22:25<Drayakir>So, if lsmod doesn't show me either xkb, or keyboard, or anything like that, does that mean there's no driver loaded?
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22:28<retrospectacus>lsmod |egrep -i 'kb|key' returns nothing for me either and my keyboard is fine
22:29<Drayakir>So, that's no the issue.
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22:31<retrospectacus>http://paste.debian.net/108442/ that is part of my /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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22:33<Drayakir>I'm just frickin' trying to make my stupid keyboard work. I'm not even sure WHY it's not working.
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22:35<retrospectacus>have you got Debian installed? Can you use the keyboard during boot? What kind of keyboard is it?
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22:42<Drayakir>It's a netbook keyboard, 1005ha, it works great in console and boot
22:43<Drayakir>From what I can tell, it stopped working after I updated about 1000 packages yesterday
22:43<sney>SynrG would normally be the expert on eeepc issues, but he's been afk most of the day
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22:51<retrospectacus>there is a #debian-eeepc channel here
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22:52<retrospectacus>Drayakir: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and dmesg for errors
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22:58<k-man>is there an apt getable version of chrome?
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22:59<k-man>oh, nm, found it- you have to search for chromium not chrome
22:59<retrospectacus>yup
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22:59<Lantizia>Is there any standard (with like a highlight mode for text editors or a dedicated editor) for things like NFO or Readme files? I need to make loads of readme files but don't just wanna type in a box, want to know if theres any kind of standard.
23:00<retrospectacus>searching for chrome should still find chromium-browser tho..
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23:00<gohan4748>#fun
23:01<sney>!tell gohan4748 about irc tutorial
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23:01<gohan4748>wat
23:02<sney>you seem confused about the purpose of this place. do some reading and you'll understand better.
23:02<Drayakir>Hrrrm. Doesn't say anything about keyboards. Or my usb mouse.
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23:03<gohan4748>#fun
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23:04<Drayakir>The Xorg.0.log has these three interesting things: (WW) AllowEmptyInput is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', 'mouse' or 'vmmouse' will be disabled. (WW) Disablin Mouse0 and (WW) Disabling Keyboard0.
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23:05<retrospectacus>Drayakir: hold up, let me check my eeepc - I have that first line but not sure about those next 2
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23:07<Drayakir>Thanks so much.
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23:09<sney>I gave my eeepc to the wife
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23:10<retrospectacus>it's a 701 and it doesn't have anyo of those messages...
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23:11<Drayakir>Huh. Well. That might be the issue.
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23:13<sney>Drayakir: seems to me you could put a file in xorg.conf.d explicitly setting AllowEmptyInput to off
23:13<retrospectacus>yeah I know I had that first line about AllowEmptyInput before, I must have fixed it.
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23:17<retrospectacus>I think I reinstalled xorg and lxde-core
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23:17<Drayakir>Hmm. Let's try it.
23:18<retrospectacus>Drayakir: you shouldn't have to do anything so drastic...
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23:20<Drayakir>What I don't understand hypothetically, is why xorg, which seems to be related to graphics, deals with mice and keyboards...
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23:20<Drayakir>And, is it normal for the xorg.conf.d to be in /usr/share?
23:21<sney>whaaa
23:21<sney>no.
23:21<retrospectacus>you can try what sney said, or try reconfiguring some packages,
23:21<sney>it's supposed to be in /etc/xorg
23:21<ramnet>xorg is a desktop windowing framework. it intercepts the console graphics the keyboard and the mouse
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23:22<sney>Drayakir: also, for more wisdom, http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/unix-haters/x-windows/disaster.html <- outdated in many respects, but enlightening, and very funny
23:22<Drayakir>Okay. Now I'm confused. So, if it's not in /etc/xorg, could it be it?
23:23<retrospectacus>I don't have any xorg.conf or xorg.conf.d/ on my eeepc Drayakir
23:23<retrospectacus>and they are supposed to be in /etc/X11/
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23:23<Drayakir>And I can't do anything with packages, other than remove 'em, 'cause I seem to lack internet. And xorg.conf isn't in /etc/X11 either
23:23<sney>xorg.conf does not exist by default
23:24<karrick>Drayakir: "man xorg.conf" shows that it might be in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
23:24<kindastuck>Hello people. Does anyone know where I can get the lenny netinstall iso? I can only find the squeeze ISO's
23:24<sney>autodetecting everything is *supposed* to work
23:24<Drayakir>So... why did it disappear?
23:24<Drayakir>This is why I don't do updates.
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23:24<Drayakir>ARRRGH. It worked fine. But noooo...
23:24<sney>you can always generate one by running X -configure (when X is not running)
23:25<Drayakir>Yeah, it puts it into /root/home
23:25<Drayakir>But it still doesn't work.
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23:25<Drayakir>I tried mv xorg.conf to /etc/X11 and it still doesn't work.
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23:26<retrospectacus>!tell kindastuck -about install lenny
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23:27<gohan4748>#fun
23:27<sney>Drayakir: well, you still have to edit the relevant part (probably the Input section) to set AllowEmptyInptu to off
23:27<kindastuck>thanks retrospectacus, found the archive :)
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23:28<retrospectacus>kindastuck, no worries
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23:29<gohan4748>#fun
23:30<Drayakir>I'm trying to find it. Also, starting X -configure /root/home/xorg.conf.new made it freeze.
23:30<sney>:/
23:31<retrospectacus>:\
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23:32<retrospectacus>dare I ask why /root/home/ exists? X -configure is run by itself
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23:33<Drayakir>Because I'm running it from the single-user console.
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23:35<Drayakir>UGH. Would just apt-get remove xorg, and then re-installing it from a flash drive work?
23:36<gohan4748>www.google.com
23:37<retrospectacus>apt-get remove xorg would remove a lot more things
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23:38<Drayakir>Honestly? At this point I just want something that works
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23:40<retrospectacus>what desktop env. did you have before?
23:40<Drayakir>Gnome
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23:42<Drayakir>Is it a reasonable guess that if the keyboard works in console, it's functional- it's that either xorg or gdm makes it non-functional.
23:43<retrospectacus>did you run X -configure?
23:43<Drayakir>Yeah
23:44<retrospectacus>yeah reasonable
23:44<Drayakir>When I do X -configure, it works, but, when I run
23:46<Drayakir>Required argument to -config not specified
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23:47<gohan4748>www.youtube.com
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23:49<retrospectacus>"X -configure" created an xorg.conf you can try using as an argument to "X -config"
23:49<Drayakir>Er, nevermind
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23:50<Drayakir>It worked. xorg.conf file is /root/xorg/conf.new. To test the server, run 'X -config /root/xorg.conf.new'
23:50<Drayakir>But when I try it, it just freezes.
23:51<retrospectacus>cp that file to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and run invoke-rc.d gdm start
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23:51<retrospectacus>if that doesn't work you may try editing the /etc/X11/xorg.conf and disabling AllowEmptyInput
23:53<Drayakir>Didn't work. Now gonna try editing.
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23:53<retrospectacus>you could check Xorg.0.log again to see if that is still the error
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23:56<Drayakir>Yep. Same thing
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23:57<Drayakir>If it doesn't have that entry, do I just add it? "AllowEmptyInput"=0
23:58<retrospectacus>should go in the section called "inputDevice" corresponding to the Kekeyboard... "AllowEmptyInput" 0 is probably the synta
23:58<retrospectacus>x
23:59<retrospectacus>s/Kek/k/
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