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---Logopened Tue Feb 22 00:00:08 2011
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00:02<Drayakir>The Input device for the keyboard: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "keyboard0" Driver "kbd" EndSection
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00:03<Drayakir>And now I got an error message saying no screens found
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00:06<retrospectacus>pastebin would be nice, I know you have no network though
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00:07<retrospectacus>keep digging, ask #debian-eeepc, maybe someone's awake
00:07<Drayakir>I don't suppose there's a rollback function of apt-get?
00:08<Drayakir>Where it just un-does the last apt-get upgrade
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00:08<retrospectacus>apt-get restore-from-backup
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00:09<Drayakir>Invalid operation restore-from-backup
00:09<retrospectacus>sorry I meant to say restore from backup
00:10<retrospectacus>err, no, there isn't
00:11<Drayakir>Figured. = (
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00:13<albert>wget -O ~/.irssi/certs/spi.pem
00:13<k-man>how do i get xterm to use the clipboard instead of primary?
00:14<albert>I do not know
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00:15<k-man>apparantly XTerm*selectToClipboard:true in Xdefaults is supposed to make it do that, but it doesn't seem to work for me
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00:15<k-man>i wonder if its a version issue or something
00:16<mercutio22>How can find out about which processor I have?
00:16<retrospectacus>mercutio22: cat /proc/cpuinfo
00:16<retrospectacus>ls -l /proc/cpuinfo
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00:17<mercutio22>resmo_: merci
00:17<albert>more /proc/cpuinfo
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00:27<hev>see ya everyone
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00:41<Drayakir>Okay, after some funky google-fu, I think I see what the problem is.
00:42<Drayakir>I did apt-get dist-upgrade, and supposedly that removes xorg.
00:42<Drayakir>Therefore, would I be able to just download the FULL xorg package to a flash drive in a tarball, and then manually install it?
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00:43<karrick>Drayakir: tarball or dpkg?
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00:44<Drayakir>Er, would there be a difference?
00:44<Drayakir>To be completely fair, I'm still not sure what the heck dpkg is used for- I use apt for my package management.
00:44<Drayakir>But I can't use it, because I don't have internet in the console.
00:44<karrick>Drayakir: The dpkg command installs an entire software suite *ready* for use on Debian, while a tarball is not necessarily customized for Debian.
00:45<Drayakir>Aha. But would I need internet for dpkg?
00:45<karrick>Drayakir: dpkg is the low-level workhorse for the apt system
00:45<Drayakir>So, apt uses dpkg, got it.
00:45<karrick>Drayakir: yes
00:46<Drayakir>So... I would need to manually go to a Debian repository, download ALL the xorg files, cd to the flash drive, and dpkg them?
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00:46<karrick>Drayakir: If you can download the dpkg and all the required packages, then dpkg will install. Why can you not access the internet through the console?
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00:46<Drayakir>Well, that's a whole other can of worms.
00:46<karrick>Drayakir: In other words, go to the console and type "aptitude install xyz"
00:46<rtz>networking channel?
00:46<Drayakir>Wlan0 won't let me enter the password to my network.
00:47<Drayakir>It gives me error 132
00:47<Drayakir>Which is odd, because prior to the dist-upgrade, it worked perfectly.
00:47<rtz> i have two ISP ie (first gateway) ( second gateway) and i have dhcp for my clients... i want half of my clients ( to go out thru 1st gateway and my second half (192.168.128/25) to go thru second gateway
00:48<Drayakir>And I would need to enter the key in hex, right?
00:48<karrick>Drayakir: I cannot help you with that, sorry.
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00:50<rtz>anyone has answer to my q?
00:51<Drayakir>Oh, thank you!
00:51<karrick>Drayakir: if you could d/l that package, put on flash drive, you could use dpkg command to install.
00:52<karrick>Drayakir: I'm not sure what architecture your machine in, so change accordingly.
00:53<Drayakir>It's only 31 kbs?
00:53<karrick>Drayakir: "dpkg -i package-name-here.deb"
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00:53<karrick>Drayakir: That doesn't seem correct. Perhaps that's the meta package, which means, it simply requires the litany of other packages and a network connection.
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00:54<karrick>rtz: Sorry, I cannot help you.
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00:55<karrick>Drayakir: do you have CDROM or DVD on your machine?
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00:56<Drayakir>Nah. Netbook.
00:56<karrick>Drayakir: If so, you could download the ISO on a different system, burn the iso to disc, then use that as the source of packages by adding the optical drive to your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
00:57<Drayakir>I mean, I'm thinking that if I do a recovery from the USB, if I create thing.
00:59<karrick>Some of those live images will fit on a usb flash drive
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00:59<Drayakir>Yeah, it looks like I might do that.
01:00<karrick>Good luck.
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01:08<mercutio22>How can I find out about how much ram I have and which frequency it has?
01:08<dondelelcaro>mercutio22: dmidecode
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01:09<mercutio22>dondelelcaro: is there another way? This package is not instaled by default and I will have to run a script calling it on many different machines
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01:11<vook>free will give mem of course - maybe dmesg
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01:13<EZmoney>infobash will give amount
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01:14<EZmoney>infobash -v gives more info
01:17<mercutio22>EZmoney: same problem.. infobash does not seem to be standard
01:17<EZmoney>yes it must be installed
01:19<EZmoney>lspci -v gives info but no speed for memory just pci devices
01:20<EZmoney>i forget what will show speed of ram
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01:23<EZmoney>Dmidecode :)
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01:26<cahoot>back to square one
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01:38<Drayakir>Would rm * just remove everything from the directory I'm currently in?
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01:39<thietanen>Drayakir: no, it wouldn't remove hidden files or anything from subdirectories
01:40<Drayakir>But then I could remove them with rm <filename> and <directory>
01:41<thietanen>well, rm <directory> works only if the directory is empty
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01:42<Drayakir>Well, rm -r <Directory> worked.
01:42<thietanen>yes, that does
01:43<Drayakir>Err. And how am I supposed to read the du output. It says 4 .
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01:45<thietanen>Drayakir: it means that the current directory (".") takes up 4 kilobytes
01:45<thietanen>Drayakir: it means the directory is empty
01:45<Drayakir>Ah. Okay. Wasn't sure what it was in.
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02:07<justin___>The LXDE irc won't help with this - WICD-applet keeps switching from the desktop to itslf
02:07<justin___>Can you guys help?
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02:50<nkadun>hi there, how can I participate in debian translation works?
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02:57<jillsmitt>hi there
02:58<jillsmitt>why i can not copy dvd disks
02:58<jillsmitt>brasero told me "it is not supported"
02:58<jillsmitt>"... insert supported dvd disk"
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02:58<jillsmitt>or something like this
02:59<cmot>nkadun: best ask on one of the mailing list. if you're interested in translating web stuff -> debian-www
02:59<cmot>nkadun: else ->
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03:00<nkadun>cmot: thx
03:00<cmot>nkadun: there are also lists per language, so join the list of your language:
03:00<nkadun>cmot: nice!!
03:00<cmot>jillsmitt: "... or something like this" is not good
03:00<cmot>jillsmitt: what application?
03:01<cmot>jillsmitt: what is the *exact* error, and when, exactly, does it come?
03:01<cmot>nkadun: hoping to see you around in Debian in future, then - additional people to do the work are always welcome! :-)
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03:04<nkadun>cmot: I'm from China and Chinese support is not enought in squeeze, so I want to make some improvement~
03:04<jillsmitt> cmot
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03:05<cmot>nkadun: way to go!
03:06<cmot>jillsmitt: and there is a disc in the drive. if you don't want to copy it, do you see the disc?
03:06<cmot>(just to use it)
03:06<jillsmitt>disk in the drive
03:06<jillsmitt>bad disk?
03:06<cmot>maybe bad disk
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03:06<cmot>maybe bad driver
03:06<jillsmitt>there is no physical damage on the surface
03:07<cmot>jillsmitt: again: can you read the disk with a filemanager or whatever?
03:07<jillsmitt>never mind, bad disk - bad chunks of disk
03:08<cmot>if you see loads of errors in syslog (or in dmesg output), might be an issue with the cdrom driver in the kernel too. I have lots of "bad sector" style of messages for perfectly fine discs on my computer at hoem
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03:08<cmot>since forever, with a practically new cdrom drive.
03:09<cmot>(but I only use cdrom about every 2 months, so I never cared enough to investigate.)
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03:09<nkadun>cmot: for a reward, i'd like to offer a Chinese nick for you -- DaShen, which means Big Boss~~~
03:10<cmot>nkadun: I've not really earned that, I guess... :-)
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03:11<nkadun>cmot: modest guy~~~
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03:44<s4br3>Hi, I have two pdf files where even.pdf contains all even numbered pages and odd.pdf all the odd numbered pages of an originally single document. Isthere any software in Debian Sid which could merge them? Thanks for any help or pointers!
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03:47<jm_>try pdftk
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03:49<s4br3>jm_: Excellent, thanks!
03:49<jm_>s4br3: looks like its "shuffle" operation does this
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03:51<s4br3>Unfortunately, not all pages are in perfect order for a pure script solution. But, still it is good to know.
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03:59<s4br3>gohan4748: I did try that.
04:03<s4br3>But, eventually I found "pdftk A=one.pdf B=two.pdf cat A1-7 B1-5 A8 output combined.pdf" !
04:03<s4br3>gohan4748: thanks!
04:04<jm_>sure, it's flexible enough with ranges
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04:11<juanfran>k hay people?
04:11<eleena>Jajajaja imbecuio tu
04:11<eleena>venga aced el tranajo
04:11<juanfran>para tu gay
04:12<eleena>recorta la foto
04:12<juanfran>no se
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04:12<eleena>JUANFRAN YA
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04:12<berto>PELAE eleena juanfran no estais chateando en un canal de clase
04:12<eleena>Y TU QUIEN ERES?
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04:13<juanfran>k hay
04:13<berto>eleena: te lo he dicho, no soy de vuestra clase
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04:13<juanfran>komo se recorta una imagen¿
04:14<eleena>de cual eres?
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04:14<juanfran>tu fea al cuadrado
04:14<eleena>QUE TE DEN.
04:14<berto>eleena: de ninguna, la mayor parte de la gente de aquí no lo es, estais hablando en un canal público de chat con gente de todo el mundo
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04:14<eleena>ostrasss jajajajjuajaj
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04:14<juanfran>kien eres¿?
04:14<eleena>puesw nosotros estamos en un colegio
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04:15<eleena>juanfran callate
04:15<berto>these guys are in some spanish high school and have their computers configured to join this irc by default
04:15<juanfran>kien soys¿?
04:15<berto>they don't even know where they are
04:15<eleena>si lo sabemos
04:15<juanfran>are you english
04:15<jm_>berto: just ignore them, they'll get bored in 5 minutes
04:15<eleena>en un chat
04:16<eleena>no te motives berto
04:16<juanfran>but i yes
04:16<eleena>que pajo eres hujo
04:16<juanfran>you are a bich
04:17<eleena>pelaeee q te de3n
04:17<juanfran>you are a bich
04:17<eleena>juanfran q significa?
04:17<hever>How do I get a list of processes with the number of their childs? Or the number of childs fo a special process?
04:17<eleena>pelae vete a la mierda
04:17<jm_>hever: try pstree
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04:18<eleena>oye una cosa esto del chat es de todoel mundo entero?
04:18<eleena>esta hablando gente de todo el mundo?
04:18<eleena>pelae paraaaaaaaaaaaaa
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04:18<eleena>yo me salgo
04:18<eleena>nos metenos en otro vale?
04:18<juanfran>callatee pjo de piiiiiiiiiiii
04:19<berto>eleena: sí, por favor
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04:19<zenny>I installed debian squeeze with btrfs, but it gives problems with checkroot with fsck.btrfs which does not exist. I softlinked btrfs with fsck.btrfs, but btrfs does not work as -a option is not available. Then I created a small shell script '#!/bin/sh\ /sbin/btrfsck $(echo $@ | sed -e “s/($1)\|(-a)//g”)", still the problem persists. any pointer?
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04:21<florencio>ola de nuevo
04:21<florencio>soy elena
04:21<florencio>q no sabemos como se saleee
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04:22<florencio>como se sale?
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04:22<berto>escribe /quit
04:22<berto>con la / antes
04:22<florencio>no como dice bertyo
04:22<florencio>de donde eres berto?
04:23<zenny>also I installed linux-patch-grsecurity2, but could not find anything to boot to the new kernel. I tried specifying security=grsecurity2 in the /etc/default/grub in line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT but without any effect. How can one use grsecurity-patched kernel using the existing grsecurity2 package?
04:23<PELAE>de donde eres berto
04:23<florencio>nos quereis echar?
04:23<florencio>imbeciles pues aora no me voy
04:23<PELAE>yo creo que no
04:24<florencio>pelayo vamso a acer el trabajo
04:24<florencio>y de vez en cuando hablkamso
04:25<florencio>de donde eress?
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04:25<florencio>adios pajooo
04:25<florencio>una cosaaaaa
04:26<florencio>que busces lo del cucigramaa
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04:26<zenny>@florencio, PELAE, berto: Tal vez usted no está enterado que usted está en sala de chat!? Esto es grave sala de chat sobre el sistema operativo Debian. Por favor, no estropear el medio ambiente relacionados con el chat aquí. Gracias por su comprensión!
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04:27<florencio>como? pero si ni siquiera estais hablando
04:27<florencio>no os motiveis
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04:27<berto>zenny: I'm perfectly aware, thanks :)
04:27<themill>!ubuntu-es florencio
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04:27<dpkg>florencio: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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04:28<PELAE>hola y adios a todos
04:28<zenny>berto: thanks for your understanding
04:29<berto>zenny: I'm trying to explain them where they are
04:29<zenny>thank you berto
04:29<berto>this happens every now and then, there's probably some high school in spain with ubuntu in its computers
04:29<berto>and xchat configured to join #debian by default
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04:30<zenny>berto: i see
04:30<themill>no, you'll find them running around trying to find their friends in every "default" channel on just about every server that xchat has listed. xchat does not connect to #debian automatically when you start it.
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04:31<berto>themill: yeah, might be, I haven't used xchat for long so I don't remember how it was
04:31<zenny> I installed debian squeeze with btrfs, but it gives problems with checkroot with fsck.btrfs which does not exist. I softlinked btrfs with fsck.btrfs, but btrfs does not work as -a option is not available. Then I created a small shell script '#!/bin/sh\ /sbin/btrfsck $(echo $@ | sed -e “s/($1)\|(-a)//g”)", still the problem persists. any pointer?
04:31<PELAE>marrano juanfran
04:31<PELAE>pedazo de cochino
04:32<zenny>Also I installed linux-patch-grsecurity2, but could not find anything to boot to the new kernel. I tried specifying security=grsecurity2 in the /etc/default/grub in line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT but without any effect. How can one use grsecurity-patched kernel using the existing grsecurity2 package?
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04:32<PELAE>los gases van fura ouerco
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04:39<slush>zenny: you probably need to read /usr/share/doc/linux-patch-grsecurity2/README.Debian
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04:43<s4br3>I just wish to thank you again, the resulting pdf file using the script above became exactly like I wanted. And, using rotation one of the pages made that readable too!
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05:16<soma>Anybody know where can I handling issues on new technology markets like Li ion batteries?
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05:18<petemc>li ion is new technology ?
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05:19<soma>new technology on li-ion battery
05:19<zenny>slush: the Readme.Debian of grsecurity patch asks to use make-kpkg (from kernel-package). What does the kernel-package means? the linux kernel source?
05:19<ladoga>hi, I have a problem with urxvt
05:20<slush>zenny: no, the actual package called 'kernel-package'
05:20<ladoga>basically it bitches about TERM variable whatever i do
05:21<ladoga>so i'm asking what is the recommended way to fix it?
05:22<ladoga>I'm running debian 'testing' and the problem arose after updating rxvt-unicode
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05:23<SynrG>make-kpkg is not the only, or even the best way to make your own kernel
05:23<zenny>slush: the kernel-package is installed, but I could not exactly follow what it means by "To apply automatically, set PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES before first running of
05:23<zenny>make-kpkg (from package: kernel-package) and "make-kpkg clean" to remove." in README.Debian
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05:23<jm_>ladoga: do you not have /usr/share/terminfo/r/rxvt-256color file?
05:24<ladoga>jm_: nope
05:24<zenny>slush: does this mean executing "PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES make-kpkg"?
05:24<jm_>ladoga: are you using debian?
05:25<ladoga>there's only /usr/share/terminfo/s/st and st-256color
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05:25<ladoga>jm_: yes, ladoga@x41:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
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05:26<jm_>ladoga: do you have ncurses-term package installed?
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05:26<slush>zenny: that might work, I don't have the package installed and thus dont have the readme file at hand, so I cant see how you should interper it
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05:26<ladoga>jm_: no, just ncurses-base
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05:27<jm_>ladoga: ok install it
05:27<zenny>SynrG: thanks for the link, but why rebuilding a kernel is so complicated? Could I patch the vanilla kernel with grsecurity in the vanilla way (I mean make mrproper, patch, make config, make and make modules_install)? What are the drawbacks?
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05:28<ladoga>jm_: seems to work now, thanks
05:28<SynrG>zenny: package management
05:29<jm_>zenny: it's up to you; you can avoid using kernel-package, I do it this way
05:29<jm_>ladoga: no worries
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05:29<SynrG>if you enjoy the benefits of having your kernel managed as a package (including possible interactions with other kernel-related packages) then you do it this way
05:29<SynrG>let's take, for instance, using -dkms packages
05:29<zenny>slush: the readme has a single line that is related "To apply automatically, set PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES before first running of make-kpkg (from package: kernel-package) and "make-kpkg clean" to remove."
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05:30<slush>zenny: there are more file in the same directory
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05:31<SynrG>zenny: hmm. actually, not sure about this, as i've not tried using a -dkms with a non-debian-packaged kernel build
05:31<SynrG>perhaps that is perfectly ok
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05:31<SynrG>anyway, i've always found having it in a package convenient
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05:33<zenny>seems like Debian makes me relearning ;-)
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05:35<zenny>what is a "top level linux kernel source directory tree"? I tried to make-kpkg and it states that I am not in that directory. Does this mean that I also need to install linux-source package?
05:36<jm_>or use one or ...
05:36<zenny>thank jm_
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05:38<zenny>jm_: If I use later kernel than 2.6..32 from, is there any chance that it may conflict with other debian packages?
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05:39<jm_>zenny: sometimes that happens, but rarely - I do this for years and only remember one or two problems
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05:40<zenny>jm_: I am particularly interested about whether there is any chance of any security breach by not going after the official debian kernel?
05:41<jm_>zenny: well that can of course happen both ways
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05:42<zenny>jm_ I installed the linux-source-2.6.32 package and it seemed to have installed using aptitude, but when I check /usr/src I only found the tar.bz2 file only, is that the right way?
05:44<zenny>I meant do I have to manually untar the pacakge? If so what did the aptitude did? Just wondering ;-)
05:44<jm_>zenny: yes
05:44<jm_>zenny: dpkg -L lists files in a package
05:45<jm_>(installed package that is)
05:45<zenny>Too much of croslinking ;-)
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05:48<zenny>I tried to use the prebuild grsecurity2 packages from but it could not boot, kept searching init img, though specified categorically in the grub.cfg :-(
05:49<nomeata>Hi. Nowadays with udev, do root partitions require something in /dev or can that be empty? If not, what tool creates a minimal /dev directory?
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05:51<th>i'm not sure if it's required with udev
05:51<th>but if you want to create it
05:51<th>install makedev package
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05:53<th>i installed squeeze using debootstrap by following this doc:
05:53<th>i created /dev using makedev
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05:54<th>if it's not required because of udev, at least it's harmless on my case
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05:57<evilmanu_>hi all
05:59<amitz>I'd like to confirm that in debian squeeze, the following 4 files are not dynamically created at boot tim by udev: /dev/console , /dev/initctl , /dev/null , /dev/zero
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06:00<th>i see
06:02<evilmanu_>I'm using Debian Squeeze ( - kernel) and have a problem with samba. I'm trying to connect with a remote PC with command: "smbmount //PC-IP/C$ /mnt/dev -o username=administrator". This command don't send any error, but when listed the dir /mnt/smb ... empty. on command "mount" write "//PC-IP/C$/ on /mnt/smb type cifs (rw,mand)". If want to mount "D$" done without problem and correctly mounted
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06:02<evilmanu_>smbclient and nautilus mount C$ correctly and can list inside
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06:06<zenny>Repost: I installed debian squeeze with btrfs, but it gives problems with checkroot with fsck.btrfs which does not exist. I softlinked btrfs with fsck.btrfs, but btrfs does not work as -a option is not available. Then I created a small shell script '#!/bin/sh\ /sbin/btrfsck $(echo $@ | sed -e “s/($1)\|(-a)//g”)", still the problem persists. any pointer?
06:07<jm_>zenny: try searching BTS
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06:25<zenny>jm_: BTS what is that for? btrfs?
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06:26<zenny>the problem with btrfs has been reported a bug here (, just wondering if there is someone here who might have solved the problem?!
06:27<jm_>!tell zenny -about bts
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06:28<jm_>right so you found it already
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06:28<zenny>Yeah, I found it before I dropped into this chat ;-)
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06:28<zenny>to figure out if there is some other way to fix it?
06:29<zenny>tried with my own bash script and softlinking, but got problem with -a flag
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06:33<zenny>jm_: are you from darmstatd?
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06:35<jm_>zenny: not really, I'm a "bit" south of that
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06:38<zenny>jm_: when you asked me to search for BTS, i thought it is 'booting sequence' ;-)
06:38<jm_>zenny: no, that's not what BTS means in #debian
06:38<zenny>jm_: silly me he he
06:38<jm_>!tell Guest2206 -about cn
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08:02<Kion>Hi/Bonjour ;)
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08:13<agentc>my TechniSAT pci card only switchs power to cable on when scanning channels, but i need to enable that constantly to use the SATfINDER hardware for antenna adjustment. how can i do that with the debian tools ?
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08:22<nomeata>Hmm, trying to clone a system onto a machine with no console access and then trying to figure out why it does not boot is, well, tricky.
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08:25<_Megaf>/dev/sda7 on / type btrfs (rw)
08:25<_Megaf>that wasnt a good idea
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08:32<Zathras>Hi. During upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze Mysql is removed quite soon in the process leaving packages depending on it a bit in the dark
08:32<Zathras>that is no problem: just apt-get install it
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08:33<Zathras>but then.... mysql-server-5.1 will not install atm due to system tables that cannot be installed for some reason
08:33<Zathras>plenty of diskspace
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08:33<Zathras>what can be the case please?
08:33<Zathras>and how to fix this?
08:34<Zathras>everything else upgraded fine.
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08:45<SynrG>Zathras: are there no upgrade docs? normally when such things are anticipated, the package itself gives instructions via /usr/share/doc/packagename/NEWS.Debian.gz
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08:45<bike>vlc is broken in testing wheezy
08:45<bike>it believes all files are broken
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08:46<Zathras>found the issue: comment out the 'skip-bdb' entry in /etc/mysql/my.cnf and reinstall mysql
08:47<SynrG>bike: "it believes"? "broken"? please be more precise
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08:47<bike>it wants to repair all avi files
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08:48<bike>going to try compiling the latest version but its odd
08:48<bike>perhaps i should run a disk check ?
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08:48<SynrG>or confirm the bug on a separate box?
08:49<bike>hm i could install in virtualbox a bit later on
08:49<SynrG>also verify you're using debian's vlc and multimedia libs and not some mix of debian + debian-multimedia
08:49<SynrG>or else if/when you file a buggy, someone's going to be pretty unhappy
08:50<bike>hm, could be that i screwed the pooch quite badly earlier, i was mucking about with some lib32 libs and accidentally copied them to libs
08:50<bike>had to remove ligblib and everything and reinstall them, went fine though, saved the apt-get remove output to a file and reverted it
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08:51<SynrG>instead of installing in virtualbox, consider just booting a live image
08:51<SynrG>nice piece of kit to have around for debugging
08:51<bike>i have to install form a usb, and i think the girlfriend went off with the stick ( uuhm :D )
08:52<SynrG>the live images are hybrid. you can simply dd these to USB
08:52<SynrG>but i can't help with retrieving your USB from your gf :)
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08:52<bike>yep, i noticed, i thought i had to much about with bootloaders for a while, i had set up something like this before with debian 32bit and hirens and some other stuff
08:52<SynrG>a "true" geek would have a pocketful anyway ;)
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08:53<bike>hehe , i keep loosing them
08:53<bike>a true geek uses sftp :D
08:53<bike>or that
08:54<bike>got a ubuntu box i could perhaps coax into something like that
08:54<SynrG>we have netboot live images too, then.
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08:55<SynrG>ignore the "building" instructions and just read the rest about using them
08:55<bike>ill check it out, anyway i can verify if ive broken various libraries with 32bit libs?
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08:56<SynrG>yeah. you could boot an amd64 live system, bringing up network ...
08:56<SynrG>apt-get update, install stuff ...
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08:56<SynrG>provides a nice controlled test environment
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08:58<SynrG>oh, we have dailies here (hmm, the dates suggest not-so-daily ;)
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08:58<SynrG>ah. probably does no good for you anyway
08:58<SynrG>looks like they haven't been moved forward to wheezy yet
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08:59<LotR>it is called amd64, but it works with intel cpus too?
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08:59<SynrG>amd64 came up with the idea. i think they deserve to have it named after them?
09:00<SynrG>intel later copied them and made it compatible
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09:02<zamyr>hola julian
09:02<zamyr>me puedes ayudar con algo
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09:02<SynrG>LotR: and particularly
09:02<w3asel>saludo Zaba
09:03<w3asel>saludo zamyr
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09:03<http>hi all
09:03<http>how are you
09:03<w3asel>hi all
09:03<http>fe mjal 7da ysa3dna
09:04<zamyr>men puedes ayudar con la instalacion de un programa
09:04<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
09:04<http>i need help
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09:09<zamyr>hola alguien sabe instalar sle2
09:09<zamyr>desde la terminal
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09:16<zamyr>hola alguien sabe instalar sle2 desde la terminal
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09:21<cthuluh>!tell zamyr -about es
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09:31<stripeypaint>hello there maybe someone can help
09:32<stripeypaint>im trying to remap caps_lock to F13
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09:32<stripeypaint>i edit the keymap in /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/uk.kmap.gz
09:33<stripeypaint>run install-keymap path/to/edited file
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09:34<stripeypaint>when i press caps_lock i get a beep and a ~
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09:46<CBRMND>How come most rooms are silent?
09:46<slush>to spook you
09:47<CBRMND>any suggestions for a security discussion room?
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09:48<slush>CBRMND: there are several irc channel search engines
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09:48<CBRMND>Yep, they lack the "suggestion" feature though :P
09:48<jespada>Hi, is possible to have in the same box kfreebsd kernel and linux kernel, i mean in the same host..and switch between them
09:49<_Alex__>jespanda: Maybie if you make another partition
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09:50<jespada>hmm good order to use the right glibc for each system
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10:09<Unknown99>hi everyone, i'm going crazy after a problem in squeeze after installing nvidiadrivers (either repo ones and nvidia), anyone eager to hand me some tip :)?
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10:16<Unknown99>is here always this silent or am i being just lucky ^^?
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10:17<petemc>best to ask a specific question rather than something like "can anyone help me"
10:17<amakusa>besides /var/cache/apt/archives, is there a way to tell aptitude in what folder I have .debs stored?
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10:18<Unknown99>well, mine was 'quite' specific, the whole story would have taken more than a line :)
10:18<petemc>if you say so
10:19<sney>what did you do, what did you expect, what happened specifically
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10:21<Unknown99>i'll try being more specific, fresh squeeze installation, default kernel, installed nvidia drivers following the debian wiki through repos, randomly X server doesn't start (1 put of 4/5 times), tried with nvidia original driver, and using a differen (liquorix kernel) but the issue is still here
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10:23<danilo>when using radeon driver, is it normal that aticonfig doesn't work?
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10:23<jillsmitt>how can i change gdm theme?
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10:24<petemc>Unknown99: anything in the x log?
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10:26<Unknown99>petemc: module 'nvidia' failed to load, check your kernel log for additional info, unfortunately being random i don't actually have the exact log
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10:41<petemc>Unknown99: sounds like you had a problem with the nvidia module loading, you should check the log after every problem to see if this is always the issue
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10:41<Blade2000>hi there!
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10:44<Blade2000>someone know how to remove a user from the connection window?
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10:44<Blade2000>this user is only use for ftp service.
10:45<petemc>whats a connection window?
10:45<Blade2000>and i don't want to use it to login to gnome
10:45<Blade2000>sry my english is not good
10:45<petemc> using gdm ?
10:45<Blade2000>i think it is gnome
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10:47<cire>hi, I have seen that in qemu 0.14 support for external qcow2 snapshots got introduced. Since our server runs on squeeze, and should not get "tainted" by testing packages I am wondering whether there's any hope to get 0.14 incorporated into stable. (as I understood, this will only happen when next testig gets stable, right?)
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10:48<petemc>Blade2000: google for gdm disable user list
10:48<petemc>cire: stable doesnt get new versions, it may be backported or you can attempt to backport it yourself
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10:49<Blade2000>i don't want to disable the user list, i just want to hide a user from this list
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10:51<cire>petemc: okay, this is what I suspected. I am not too familiar withz backporting, so waiting for next stable release seems to be the way to go ;(
10:51<petemc>you might be waiting a while
10:52<petemc>keep checking
10:52<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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10:53<petemc>Blade2000: good luck with that
10:54<cire>petemc: thank you for tha hint
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10:56<petemc>Blade2000: apparently gdm only lists users with a uid > 1000 , so perhaps giving your ftp user a lower uid will work
10:56<petemc>be careful, etc
10:56<cire>petemc: search for qemu on did not find any package. May this be added in future, since squeeze is relatively new?
10:57<cire>okay, thanks so far
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11:03<agentc>Is any1 here have experience to setup DVB-S video by PCI-card ? (dvb/pci driver works, but dunno how to handle the software for scan)
11:04<Blade2000>ok petemc, i ll try it
11:04<streuner>agentc: just try kaffeine
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11:06<agentc>streuner: i setted the antenna to somewhere in south where i get a signal by test-hardware (there are more then 1) i dunno what sat i'll receiving. kaffeine i have, but when i try a scan with a selected sat, then it says "no device found", but scan/wscan can connect to the driver.
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11:13<kop>I'm running lenny and trying to netboot debian-live. Where do I see tftp and nfs logs? I've got rsyslogd configured to log everything to /var/log/debug, but just don't see anything for either tftp or nsf. I think the tftp part works, it boots and gives me a bootloader menu. I choose live (686) and after "Creating /etc/resolv.conf" I get "connect: Connection timed out". How does it know what to mount? Perhaps my /etc/exports is wrong because I'm not using /srv?
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11:14<agentc>kaffeine shows DBV-S device in config, but when i try a scan it says "no avail device found". what that means ?
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11:19<DrSampler>hmm.. /var/log usually is a place for most logs
11:19<DrSampler>dunno for a tftp, however
11:20<kop>DrSampler: Or nfs for that matter. I've looked at the syslinux stuff and I definatly need to be exporting from /srv. Time for a softlink....
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11:21<Blade2000>i change the uid of the user below 1000 and i was hided from the login screen
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11:23<kop>I must not be understanding exportfs. I've changed /etc/exports and ran "exportfs -ra" (and restared nfs) and nothing changed in the "exportfs" output.
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11:27<kop>Perhaps nfs does not like exporting something symlinked?
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11:28<dominick>Hi! I'm missing my taskbar in kde (plasma). How do I get it back?
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11:31<agentc>dominick: try (F2) "kstart plasma-desktop" and "kstart kwin" , else go to channel #debian-kde
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11:32<dominick>agentc, I have widgets, just deleted the taskbar by accident. Those commands didn't work.
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11:34<agentc>dominick: i dunno
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11:36<dutchfish>good afternoon
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11:43<angrywolf>Schönen guten Tag zusammen
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11:44<angrywolf>Ich möchte gerne fragen auf welche weise ich mir am besten skype auf debian squeeze amd 64 installiere
11:44<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
11:45<jhutchins_lt>!tell angrywolf about skype
11:45<angrywolf>may be the english help will help me too ^^
11:46<angrywolf>at last i repeat my question in english. Howto install skype on a debian squeeze amd64 system?
11:47<angrywolf>i tried some medibuntu deb´s, but it couldn´t figure.
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11:49<dominick>Hi! Is there a tool to monitor my NIC activity?
11:50<petemc>lots of them
11:50<petemc>i use iftop
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11:50<dominick>I'm looking for one that creates a log of the NIC Activities.
11:50<dominick>so that I can process it in yet to be programmed IDS.
11:52<dominick>DrSampler, petemc, I'm looking for the one which logs every packet ever received and its details.
11:52<petemc>tcpdump can do that
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11:53<agentc>when i do w_scan to scan DVB-S channels in some configmodes it says xxxxx: ignored (no driver support) (skystar2 pci card). what does it means?
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11:53<petemc>there are lots of others as well, daemonlogger looks to be something like what you're after
11:53<angrywolf>what about my skype problem? (don´t wanne be rough here, just asking) :-)
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11:54<Painmaker>angrywolf, did you read the pm?
11:54<snama>have you checked the official skype website?
11:55<snama>they should have debs
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11:55<snama>they do for x86 at least
11:56<angrywolf>oops, sorry
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11:57<Painmaker>there's also a skype-ubuntu-intrepid_2.1.0.81-1_amd64.deb
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11:59<arand>^ That version is working for me on squeeze.
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11:59<dominick>petemc, I got three: tcpdump, wireshark, and daemonlogger. Which one should I try first?
12:00<Painmaker>tcpdump suits
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12:00<Painmaker>there's no fency gui, but it works
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12:05<ganeshp>hi all, I am using debian squeeze amd64 desktop. I have noticed one issue, that is after I load any java applet based web page in browser my cpu utilization shoots up to 100% by one process "java" and around 300 MB memory is consumed. This goes on even after I close the browser. After 10-15 minutes the "java" process exits gracefully. Is this an issue?
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12:06<K6ORJ>angrywolf: Skype has a repository
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12:06<K6ORJ>I installed it on my Debian x86 machine no problems works great!
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12:08<dominick>petemc, DrSampler, now here's a question. I detect an intrusion by processing these log files, how do I ask debian to blacklist a certain IP/MAC on the fly while still staying connected to the newtork?
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12:10<DrSampler>install a firewall, probably
12:11<meebey>gandalfn: sounds like the typical java experience to me
12:11<meebey>er ganeshp
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12:11<meebey>ganeshp: have you checked which java runtime it is? the sun and openjdk one work much better than the others
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12:13<ganeshp>meebey: I have installed openjdk 6 in my machine.
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12:14<jhutchins_lt>angrywolf: Did you get a message from dpkg?
12:14<tjfontaine>does anyone know |brubaker| ?
12:14<meebey>ganeshp: make sure thats the used java for applets, about:plugins should say
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12:15<ARERIANO>i,m spanish
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12:15<ARERIANO>ola burin
12:16<ganeshp>meebey: Thanks. As per the browser it is " IcedTea6 1.8.3 (6b18-1.8.3-2+squeeze1"
12:16<Burin>trebalo mi stoljeće da nadjem :(:(
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12:16<jhutchins_lt>!tell ARERIANO about es
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12:16<Burin>sorry, I guess I miss chat
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12:18<meebey>ganeshp: that is openjdk then, if that one doesnt work so good, you can try sun-java6-plugin (from non-free)
12:19<ganeshp>meebey: Thank you. I will try that today. Thanks again, you have a great day.
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12:20<meebey>hm, iftop is nice, would be even nicer with colors...
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12:22<tjfontaine>I use dstat it has an acceptable amount of color and coverage
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12:24<meebey>the bar mode of iftop makes it easy to spot the intensive streams
12:24<meebey>something I always missed
12:24<meebey>iptraf, dstat, etc are only good for overall stats
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12:28<agentc>.. can any1 help me with my sat-pci sys? card-driver are installed, but on scan : dunno i scan astra19.2 or not, but its adjusted to southside with signal present
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12:46<satish>can anybody tell me how to configure a ad hoc network for clients which are using debian???
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12:47<dpkg>Procedures for establishing a <WiFi> Ad-hoc network on Debian systems can be found at
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13:01<satish>hey thanks dkpg...
13:02<satish> "dpkg, thanks"
13:03<dpkg>dominick: no worries
13:03<DrSampler>i think dpkg is a bot
13:03<dpkg>my pleasure, satish
13:03<dominick>just screwing with him!
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13:04<satish>what the..
13:04<satish>alright enough screwin up with the newbie...
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13:04<dpkg>Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell.
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13:09<retrospectacus>!confuse satish
13:09<dpkg>Yes, where is our ferret tomorrow, satish? Pants of the Democracy of Micronesia with extra ham.
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13:11<satish>i know where this is goin now...
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13:12*dominick was wondering if wifi-adhocs had limited bandwidth!
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13:14<DrSampler>ad-hoc is just mode of operation of wifi net card
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13:14<DrSampler>it have the same bandwidth as normal wi-fi
13:14<dominick>DrSampler, can i get 300Mbps if my wireless card supports it?
13:15<DrSampler>if another net card you re connected to is also supports it
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13:15<DrSampler>but real speed will be much less... like.. 100-150mbps
13:15<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See".
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13:16<dominick>retrospectacus, me and satish are working on programming an IDS for manet. We'll surely be seeing.
13:17<dominick>and yeah, is there an easy way to configure laptops in manet?
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13:17<DrSampler>i forgot about wifi as soon as i get 1gigabit fiber optic internet uplink
13:18<DrSampler>wifi is slow nightmare
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13:18<DrSampler>do not use wifi at all, it sucks
13:18*dominick shakes his head and looks closely as he hears 1GB
13:19<DrSampler>i am on one gig uplink right now
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13:19<dominick>DrSampler, that's amazing... where are you from?
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13:19<Petrol>Hi all, i have problem when i'm instaling sid from debootstrap. It says: E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-amd64/Packages
13:19<dominick>that's awesum!
13:20<DrSampler>yes, i enjoy it, too
13:20<DrSampler>it is blazing fast connection
13:20<satish>thats really awesome..
13:20<dominick>I'd be running a few tens of servers...
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13:20<OdyX>Petrol: known problem. See recent mail on debian-devel-announce.,
13:20<DrSampler>so, when i see things like, hmm
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13:21<DrSampler>it is not even funny
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13:21<jaws84>is this a place for questions about aptitude?
13:21<dominick>One thing I miss about windows, is Counter Strike. Got it working in debian, but mouse accel spoils the fun.
13:21<DrSampler>jaws84, yes, what's your problem?
13:21<dominick>jaws84, it is. ask!
13:21<DrSampler>go ahead
13:21<OdyX>Petrol: a new debootstrap landed in sid, see #614315
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13:22<Petrol>ok i will thx OdyX
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13:23<jaws84>I performed a search with "aptitude search" and got a list of packages to install with some letters to the left. 'i', 'A' and 'p'
13:23<jaws84>What does those mean? (my guess is that 'i' is for installed)
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13:25<DrSampler>i means package is already installed
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13:26<DrSampler>i do not use aptitude, however, stick with Synaptic Package Manager
13:26<DrSampler>it is much better
13:27<jaws84>I'm interacting with a server via ssh. CLI is my only option
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13:31<jaws84>anybody have a list of the meaning of the letters to the left of a search result after 'aptitude search'
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13:32<bartm>jaws84, yes see "man aptitude"
13:33<danilo>gdm3 has not possiblity to setup gdm login screen? it seems it hasn't
13:33<kleptog>I havn't foud it on the website: how do I request to have a package built on a new architechture?
13:34<jaws84>bartm, thanks. turned out that I just needed to read more carefully
13:34<bartm>danilo, in the menu: System, Administration, Login Screen
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13:36<danilo>bartm, it is minimal like this:
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13:36<danilo>anyway, i've reinstalled gdm. I restart X
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13:38<Petrol>Thx, for yours help, now its working great :)
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13:39<l_l343>whois petrol
13:40<l_l343>i think u r deepansh???
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13:43<l_l343>does ny1 has idea abt key interchange???
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13:47<jaws84>I've just installed php5 on squeeze, but apache2 will not parse a php-block of code in my index.html. Any suggestions?
13:48<jaws84>and I've restarted Apache after installation of php5
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13:48<bartm>jaws84, in ~/public_html ?
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13:48<jaws84>sorry where?
13:48<themill>php doesnt parse .html files by default anyway
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13:49<jaws84>I've installed it using aptitude
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13:50<jaws84>it is listed as a common problem in
13:50<jaws84>but how to fix it?
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13:51<themill>jaws84: php scripts don't end in .html, they end in .php (unless you change the configuration, but you don't want to do that)
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13:52<jaws84>ahh.. got it
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13:54<chealer>jaws84: make files you want PHP to parse PHP files?
13:55<jaws84>much better. thanks.
13:56<jaws84>I'm a real noob at website development anyway
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14:32<Woet>I'm trying to get preseed to work, but whatever I do - it's not recognizing any of it and just asking all installer questions
14:32<Woet>my boot arguments are append auto=true priority=critical vga=normal initrd=debian/lenny/x86_64/initrd.gz preseed/file=debian/lenny/x86_64/preseed.cfg preseed/file/checksum=990473e604b94527f6373b0865640bb9 --
14:32<Woet>how would I debug this?
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14:34<dpkg>[preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See and . See also <debconf-set-selections>.
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14:36<Woet>thank you jhutchins_lt, I've already been there.
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14:37<jhutchins_lt>I've used kickstart (RH) but not preseed.
14:37<Woet>either way will be fine with me
14:37<jhutchins_lt>I guess I've only done five debian installs.
14:37<Woet>i just want to automate the installation :)
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14:41<Woet>do you have any info about that, jhutchins_lt?
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14:42<jhutchins_lt>No, as I said kickstart is RedHat's tool.
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15:33<planet8>Why doesn't "ifdown" and "ifup" work anymore on squeeze? ifconfig shows eht0 is in use, but "ifdown eth0" gives "interface eth0 not configured"
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15:33<valdyn>planet8: it works fine on squeeze
15:33<planet8>not on any of the machines I have tried it on
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15:34<planet8>not as it used to
15:34<valdyn>planet8: ifup / ifdown never were able to copy with what you did out of their scope
15:34<planet8>what are you talking about
15:35<vagvaf>hello people, occasionally when i log in the top and bottom panels are missing. any ideas? (debian testing here)
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15:35<planet8>on lenny it's possible to do a "ifdown eth0", and the card is down. On squeeze it doesn't work.
15:36<valdyn>planet8: ifdown eth0; ifconfig eth0 up; ifdown eth0; <- thats how i can easily reproduce your issue
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15:37<planet8>well, it was never needed to follow that command with ifconfig on lenny
15:37<planet8>like I said, it doesn't work like it used to
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15:37<valdyn>planet8: its not needed, its how i break ifup/down
15:37<valdyn>planet8: and its how i can always break ifup/down
15:38<planet8>valdyn, you're not making sense.. break? what are you talking about dude?
15:38<valdyn>planet8: break as in throw your abovementioned error
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15:39<adb>try "ifconfig shows eht0 is in use," ifdown eht0 ..
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15:39<planet8>valdyn, you're still not making sense. I said ifdown used to work in a particular way on lenny.. it's not on squeeze anymore.
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15:39<valdyn>planet8: yea, so youre *claiming* but i cannot reproduce that ifup/down is broken
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15:40<jhutchins_lt>I gather the "correct" tool to use is now ip
15:40<planet8>valdyn, so you're on a lenny system right now?
15:40<valdyn>planet8: i need to be on lenny to see the broken version?
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15:41<planet8>valdyn, you need to understand what the issue is about before you start talking!
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15:41<jhutchins_lt>ifup/ifdown never really caught on.
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15:41<valdyn>planet8: i know this very well
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15:41<valdyn>jhutchins_lt: uh?
15:41<planet8>valdyn, yes clearly I can see that!
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15:41<valdyn>jhutchins_lt: ifdown/up work as ever, nothing changed
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15:42<planet8>jhutchins_lt, I did too me :-), but I can see you're right! Thanks!
15:42<valdyn>planet8: you need to give us a clear sequence of commands thats broken
15:42<planet8>valdyn, stop talking, please!
15:42<valdyn>planet8: but what you showed us does not imply brokeness, it implies that you ran something in between
15:43<valdyn>jhutchins_lt: ifup/down is how you use whats in /etc/network/interfaces, the ip command is the lower layer
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15:46<jhutchins_lt>valdyn: i've always just used ifconfig myself.
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15:46<valdyn>jhutchins_lt: and you never use debians /etc/network/interfaces ?
15:46<jhutchins_lt>ifup/ifdown are debian specific.
15:47<jhutchins_lt>valdyn: Of course I do.
15:47<jhutchins_lt>ifconfig uses the settings from interfaces.
15:47<valdyn>jhutchins_lt: no
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15:47<jhutchins_lt>It must get the settings telepathically then.
15:47<valdyn>jhutchins_lt: read the manpage
15:48<valdyn>jhutchins_lt: ifconfig really only interfaces with the kernel directly, nothing else
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15:49<ramnet>ifconfig gets it's settings from /etc/network/interfaces on both lenny and squeeze
15:49<ramnet>it calls ip which interfaces with the kernel
15:50<valdyn>ramnet: "strace -eopen -f ifconfig"
15:51<ramnet>you can pass ifconfig long options specifying ip/netmask and it won't look in /etc/net/interfaces
15:52<valdyn>ramnet: in which case will it look at interfaces?
15:52<ramnet>if you only do something like "ifconfig eth0 up" then it looks in interfaces for ip address netmask gateway broadcast etc.
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15:53<valdyn>ramnet: i cant reproduce that, strace claims otherwise
15:53<ramnet>but something like ifconfig eth0 add and it won't look at interfaces it'll use the arguments provided
15:53<jhutchins_lt>I just did ifconfig eth0 down, ifconfig eth0 up and it got the correct settings. If it didn't get them from the interfaces file where did it get the settings?
15:53<valdyn>jhutchins_lt: theyre already set
15:54<jhutchins_lt>valdyn: I'm sorry but you're just plain wrong. This is how posix-standard linux works.
15:54<ramnet>it doesn't have to look at interfaces taking the interface down but it must check interfaces bringing the device up.
15:54<valdyn>jhutchins_lt: posix? this has nothing to do with posix, /etc/network/interfaces is debian, not posix
15:55<jhutchins_lt>Every distro I've run in the past twenty years uses ifconfig.
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15:55<valdyn>jhutchins_lt: theres unrelated
15:55<valdyn>jhutchins_lt: that's unrelated
15:55<ramnet>ifconfig on each distro reads it's config from whereever the distro stores it
15:55<jhutchins_lt>No, that's "you're wrong".
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15:55<valdyn>ramnet: why does strace not show it though?
15:55<ramnet>the command is the same but how it works behind the scenes varies
15:56<ramnet>on red hat ifconfig reads /etc/sysconfig/* stuff
15:56<ramnet>on debian it reads network/interfaces
15:56<valdyn>ramnet: probably, i dont know redht
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15:56<valdyn>ramnet: i cant get strace to show it ,can you?
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15:57<jhutchins_lt>I think ifup/ifdown are debian specific, but I don't have any non-debian systems left to check.
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16:00<valdyn>well, i was as far as verifying this and believing i had been wrong for 10 years, but in the end i believe what strace sais clearly
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16:00<planet8>I think I know what my original problem was. Apparently some damned network manager tool takes over and makes it impossible for ifup/ifdown to work.
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16:01<valdyn>planet8: right
16:01<planet8>valdyn, sorry dude!
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16:05<jhutchins_lt>planet8: Yeah, network manager can be a pain. Do you need it?
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16:06<ramnet>i just checked the sources and ifconfig doesn't touch etc/network/interfaces - only ifup/ifdown do.
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16:07<ramnet>ip replaces ifconfig
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16:07<planet8>jhutchins_lt, no it's gone. It got installed automatically when installing some kde app.
16:08<planet8>yeah, valdyn was right.
16:08<ramnet>i think as i recall "ifconfig eth0 up" is able to work if the interface was previously initialized with setting and taken down as the kernel remembers the previous settings.
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16:10<ramnet>"ip addr show" will show downed interfaces that were previously up whereas ifconfig won't
16:10<ferdinand>Hi Everyone!
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16:10<ramnet>hi :) you have a question?
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16:10<ferdinand>Is this the correct place to request packaging ?
16:11<ramnet>see #debian-mentors
16:11<valdyn>ferdinand: request what exactly?
16:11<ebest97>I'm angry with Squeeze
16:11<ebest97>You put the Ubuntu Software Center in there
16:11<ferdinand>I would like to request packaging of a GPL game called "Super Mario Wars"
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16:12<ferdinand>found at
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16:12<valdyn>ebest97: you should have filed an rc bug in time ;)
16:12<ebest97>It isn't a bug
16:12<ebest97>It's more like a disease
16:12<valdyn>ferdinand: thats done via bug reports in debian
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16:12<dpkg>Request For Package is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>.
16:13<valdyn>ferdinand: ^^
16:13<valdyn>ferdinand: but certainy lobbying might help
16:13<ferdinand>hehehehe. It has been a very long time since I used a IRC... :D
16:13<ferdinand>Lobby! Yeah!
16:14<ompaul>is kde-desktop on PowerPC the same as kde-desktop on i386 or should they be the same?
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16:14<valdyn>ompaul: should be the same across all supported architectures
16:14<ompaul>valdyn: thanks
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16:15<ferdinand>Thank you Valdyn and Ramnet
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16:20<ferdinand>OMG :( I wanna cry
16:20<ferdinand>This is my very first time visiting #debian-mentros
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16:20<ferdinand>but, i am already banned.
16:21<dpkg>somebody said mentors was the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. #debian-mentors on
16:21<ferdinand>I get: You are banned from the channel #debian-mentors
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16:23<ferdinand>I seem to have a bad luck. If there is such a thing as "luck"
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16:24<retrospectacus>ferdinand: if it wasn't actually you they banned you may get in if you change your nickname
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16:26<ferdinand>I hope so. Thank you Retrospectacus (interesting name BTW)
16:26<themill>ferdinand: mibbit is banned there. Try using a real irc client.
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16:27<ferdinand>That might be the reason. :D
16:27<ferdinand>Yet another space that I need to fill in my hard drive ><:
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16:29<ferdinand>Thank you guys.
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16:29<jhutchins_lt>,info mibbit
16:30<judd>No record of package 'mibbit' in squeeze/i386.
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16:36<ebest97>,info xchat
16:36<judd>Package xchat (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. Version: 2.8.8-3; Size: 309.6k; Installed: 832k; Homepage:
16:37<ebest97>ill be downloading that when i get home
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16:40<hero>for all
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16:55<regular>went hardcore
16:55<regular>turned off the gdm and currently using only console interface
16:55<regular>find it very comfortable
16:56*SynrG gives regular a cookie
16:56*regular devours a cookie via standard input
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16:56<ompaul>if you happen to have i686 squeeze I'm curious do you have mysql-server-core in there when you apt-cache policy
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16:58<regular>last time when I met a friend and told her I'm using Linux she asked me with horror in her eyes if there is a windowed interface to the system
16:58<regular>wish she saw me now
16:59<dondelelcaro>,versions mysql-server-core
16:59<judd>Sorry, no package named 'mysql-server-core' was found in i386.
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17:00<regular>night all
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17:00<dondelelcaro>,versions mysql-server-core-5.1
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17:00<judd>Package mysql-server-core-5.1 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; wheezy: 5.1.49-3; sid: 5.1.55-1
17:00<dondelelcaro>ompaul: see above.
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17:00<ompaul>dondelelcaro: thanks
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17:03<ompaul>dondelelcaro: worst typo all week so far so not doing too bad
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17:25<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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17:43<lexi>I'm planning on installing debian for the first time, have checked over hardware for support
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17:44<lexi>kinda worried I'm going to be up all night configuring it though
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17:48<jhutchins_lt>!tell lexi about install guide
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17:48<lexi>thanks :)
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17:58<jhutchins_lt>lexi: Good luck! We're here if you need us.
17:58<lexi>heh not really though
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17:59<lexi>have only one machine
17:59<lexi>but as soon as I get networking going
17:59<lexi>I will be back
17:59<lexi>the one thing I'm concerned with is
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17:59<lexi>I use truecrypt
17:59<lexi>on my windows
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18:00<lexi>not sure how that's gonna work
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18:01<jhutchins_lt>Google tells me it's a disk encryption system.
18:02<jhutchins_lt>Not available as a debian package though.
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18:02<jhutchins_lt>You should be able to install the linux version and read your windows drive with that.
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18:04<lexi>well I have no problem using whatever for encryption
18:04<lexi>as long as it's as strong or stronger than aes 256
18:04<daemonkeeper>Use LUKS then.
18:04<babilen>Any recommendation for a login manager? gdm and slim have been removed, gdm3 is not usable (#590534) and xdm looks, well, horrible.
18:04<retrospectacus>startx ;)
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18:05<babilen>retrospectacus: Yeah, I am using that right now, but don't quite see the point. Looks as if kdm is the only sensible choice right now. Strange situation :)
18:05<daemonkeeper>Nothing wrong to use kdm.
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18:07<babilen>daemonkeeper: It pulls in a plethora of qt/kde dependencies. I guess I have to accept that or use startx until gdm3 is not the complete clusterfuck it is right now. (but that might take a long time)
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18:07<retrospectacus>put "if [ $(tty) = /dev/tty1 ] ; then startx; fi" in .bashrc - that's what I did on my minimal lxde install
18:08<babilen>Thanks, I wasn't sure if I had not overlooked something. (comporable to slim)
18:08<daemonkeeper>As convinced KDE user I don't see any drawback to have KDE dependencies ;)
18:09<babilen>retrospectacus: It is not actually that typing "startx" is a problem, but I don't see the point of the open console and actually enjoy a graphical login manager. (visually)
18:09<babilen>daemonkeeper: I can understand that. :-D
18:10<babilen>meh, well. More important things to do. Just wanted to pick your brains after debtags and aptitude search didn't come up with anything else.
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18:17<retrospectacus>babilen, fair enough. sorry I was doing that thing, Answering the question I wanted you to ask, not what you actually asked :)
18:18<babilen>retrospectacus: I know how that happens, but no need to do that for me :)
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18:45<olimones>I have a problem installing asterisk-gui 2.0 on a ubuntu server. does anyone can help me here?
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18:47<themill>olimones: #ubuntu is on
18:47<olimones>thaks...they say they cannot help with asterisk
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18:48<babilen>olimones: Try #asterisk on freenode then. But #ubuntu should support their packages. Be that as it may, Ubuntu server is off-topic in #debian. Good luck!
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18:49<olimones>thanks anyway
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19:05<lexi>ok windows is almost backed up.. can't seem to find a definitive this is your architecture guide
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19:09<dondelelcaro>lexi: generally speaking, if it's a relatively newish machine, it's amd64
19:09<dondelelcaro>(or i386)
19:09<lexi>it's a T9300 core 2 duo
19:09<dondelelcaro>that means you can run amd64 or i386
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19:10<lexi>thanks.. I was thinking that i386 looked right
19:10<lexi>but... 64 bit windows didn't work
19:10<dondelelcaro>if you have more than about 2G of ram, or don't plan on running proprietary software, use amd64
19:10<lexi>why is it better?
19:11<daemonkeeper>(more than 3.2G, dondelelcaro)
19:11<dondelelcaro>lexi: it can use all of the memory for a single application, is often faster because of the increased number of registers
19:11<dondelelcaro>daemonkeeper: it's more complicated than that, actually
19:12<daemonkeeper>dondelelcaro: I know.
19:12<dondelelcaro>uh... then why give a number?
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19:14<daemonkeeper>Well, because 2G is a pure random choice, for < 3.2G you have at least a functional benefit, if you don't want to use PAE (you better don't).
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19:15<dondelelcaro>daemonkeeper: again, it depends on what you're doing, which is why I said "about 2G"; there's no advantage below 1G, and there starts to be an advantage above that depending on what you're doing
19:16<dondelelcaro>lexi: disadvantage is the need to (currently) use i386 chroots to handle proprietary applications, or wait on complete multiarch support (comming soon)
19:16<daemonkeeper>Actually it starts being a penalty for relatively low memory sizes, since page size is larger, which also implies a larger memory footprint (in general)
19:17<lexi>dondelelcaro: hmm... I don't think anything I use will be proprietary apart from a few of my hardware drivers
19:17<lexi>man this is a far cry from the last time I installed linux
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19:18<lexi>I just googled the name of the machine and the distro
19:18<lexi>and got the info I wanted
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19:25<k-man>how do i add one specific command to sudo, so i can execute it without a password?
19:26<k-man>i find the sudoers syntax very confusing
19:26<streuner>there are lots of examples
19:27<streuner>just google for it
19:27<k-man>can i just add a new line for my username? or do i have to modify the existing line for that user
19:27<k-man>yeah, i'm googling now
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19:29<streuner>root ALL=(ALL) ALL
19:29<streuner>backuppc ALL=NOPASSWD: /bin/tar
19:30<k-man>streuner: ah, thanks
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19:35<jhutchins_lt>k-man: Real linux admins use su -.
19:36<daemonkeeper>Real Linux admins use keys.
19:36<k-man>real linux admins directly edit the hdd in hex
19:37<daemonkeeper>What else? ;)
19:38<dvs>real linux admins do installs... with floppies.
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19:38<lexi>5.25" once?
19:39<lexi>where can I download the punch card install of debian?
19:39<jhutchins_lt>At least they modify the 8" floppies to be dual sided.
19:39<k-man>yeah 8" disks, those were the days
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19:39<streuner>maybe the ruby goldberg install helps :-P
19:39<jhutchins_lt>I used to be able to sight read punch tape.
19:39<streuner>dpkg, listkeys goldberg
19:39<dpkg>Factoid search of 'goldberg' by key (6): rube goldberg network ;; #debian rube goldberg ;; rube goldberg ;; rube goldberg install ;; #debian rube goldberg install ;; _default rube goldberg install.
19:39<streuner>dpkg, rube goldberg install
19:39<dpkg>"Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke."
19:39<k-man>lexi: i believe it can be delivered to your door, its about 10 truck loads of punch cards ;)
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19:49<bluenemo>can i somehow determine the hardware address of a remote host (not in the intranet)?
19:49<dondelelcaro>bluenemo: generally speaking, no.
19:49<dondelelcaro>and normally you wouldn't care
19:50<bluenemo>dondelelcaro, why not?
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19:50<bluenemo>(if you have the time to explain dondelelcaro :)
19:50<jhutchins_lt>bluenemo: That information usually doesn't go beyond the first switch.
19:50<dondelelcaro>bluenemo: because a MAC address is a physical layer thing
19:50<dondelelcaro>bluenemo: a machine may not even have a physical layer which uses MACs
19:51<dondelelcaro>gohan4748: /join #yourchannel
19:51<streuner>gohan4748: please dont spam us :-)
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19:52<bluenemo>hm ok dondelelcaro thx
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19:54<priyesh>running a local server, how come if I access it via its domain name things are slow, but via it's local ip all is fast
19:55<streuner>DNS sucks?
19:55<streuner>you dont have it in /etc/hosts?
19:56<priyesh>streuner: nope
19:56<priyesh>someone mentioned this to me
19:56<priyesh>but never explained why
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19:58<ctaylor>priyesh: are you getting the external IP through DNS? And when you connect directly are you using a local IP?
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19:59<yangsx>i've got a strange problem upgrading to latest unstable at one laptop
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19:59<priyesh>ctaylor: yes
20:00<priyesh>ctaylor: even if i use external ip directly (no dns) its slow
20:00<ctaylor>priyesh: that would be exactly why
20:00<yangsx>but not the other: ifd process consumes a lot of cpu and it becomes sluggish
20:00<yangsx>any hint ?
20:00<priyesh>ctaylor: not sure what you mean
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20:01<ctaylor>priyesh: with local IP you are connecting directly to the machine, when using the external IP you are most likely not
20:01<ctaylor>IE more hops
20:02<yangsx>both events and ifd processes, actually
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20:02<priyesh>ctaylor: it is slower than if I went to another connection in a different building and accessed the site
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20:03<ctaylor>hmm, odd
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20:04<priyesh>its alright because internally i just edit my hosts file and i know i'm not doing any harm
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20:04<retrospectacus>priyesh: your gateway is doing more work this way, multiple NATs and probably causing packet collisions too
20:04<retrospectacus>all unnecessary
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20:05<priyesh>i mean i use the local host name for the server
20:05<priyesh>so if I still went to the proper domain, it would work externally (and be slow)
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20:09<yangsx>any helpful pointers?
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20:09<retrospectacus>priyesh, you should just differentiate between internal vs. external DNS and use the internal URL at work and external URL from elsewhere
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20:10<priyesh>retrospectacus: that't what I've been doing recently - working good so far
20:10<yangsx>system becomes rather unusable
20:10<priyesh>thanks for the help
20:10<nevyn>retrospectacus: ewww.. no.
20:10<nevyn>views ftw.
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20:12<retrospectacus>nevyn: good call, perfect really but a little more advanced to configure
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20:27<justin__>I would like to use liquorix for Debian Squeeze
20:27<justin__>How would I do that>
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20:27<dpkg>Zen is :)(:, or a school of Mahayana Buddhism, or the Zen kernel: a variant of the Linux kernel optimized for desktop systems, including code not present in mainline. Liquorix kernel image packages ( are Zen-based and are not supported in #debian. . Not to be confused with <Xen>.
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20:29<justin__> is not loading
20:29<retrospectacus>justin__: I suppose you would install debian and then download that liquorix kernel and boot it. We cannot support this here though
20:29<justin__>Oh, kay
20:29<justin__>But, where is the official liquorix irc chat room?
20:30<retrospectacus>no idea.
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20:30<kristianpaul>Hi, i need a bit of help with cmake
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20:31<kristianpaul>But in fedora it works well...
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20:32<kristianpaul>Of course i already have installed gmp
20:32<justin__>Well, what is your favorite kernel
20:32<retrospectacus>justin__: the one that works, the one that came with debian. Why would I use a different one?
20:33<nevyn>so is there any way that there could be packages of oscam for debian or would d-l just squash that whole idea?
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20:34<justin__>What is your favorite WM or DE (besides GNOME)
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20:35<justin__>Oh yeah, I also have one problem with LXDE
20:35<justin__>Everyone on the #lxde channel is always idling, and can't help me
20:35<justin__>When I start up LXDE
20:35<justin__>It keeps switching from the desktop to wicd
20:35<justin__>It's like a mess - I can't even type.
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20:37<mercutio22>is it normal in debian that only root can execute ifconfig?
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20:38<retrospectacus>mercutio22 yes
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20:38<retrospectacus>user can run it like: /sbin/ifconfig
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20:53<mercutio22>How can I find information about total disk size? (not per partition)
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21:04<winsen>i have had probleme with wifi, then i removed network manager to config. network interfaces, now it works, good, but i wonder how should i do to connect in nomade? have got an answer please? can you tell me how to do in order to connect
21:05<winsen> i have had probleme with wifi, then i removed network manager to config. network interfaces, now it works, good, but i wonder how should i do to connect in nomade? have got an answer please?
21:06<justin__>Please say it correctly
21:06<justin__>Unless you are not a native english speaker
21:07<winsen>justin_>i am sorry my english is bad
21:07<justin__>It's fine
21:07<justin__>Ok, so you have problems with wifi
21:07-!-snama [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:07<justin__>But then you removed Network manager from Configuration Network interfaces
21:07<justin__>So, /etc/network/interfaces ?
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21:08<justin__>e.g., You commented out all lines? (#)
21:08<winsen>with laptop, now i resolved all that
21:08<ghosTM55>hi all , how to download a earlier version of debian ? say 5.0.2 ?
21:08<ghosTM55>where to find the iso file , thx
21:08<justin__>ghosTM55 :
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21:08<justin__>If that doesn't help, no-one knows, unless they have the 5.0.2 ISO with them.
21:08<gsimmons>dpkg: tell ghosTM55 -about cd archive
21:09<justin__>Wait, WHAT
21:09<justin__>They have 3.0 there!
21:09<winsen>simple question could i use my wifi in nomade, i mean when i am in 300km
21:10<justin__>What does that mean
21:10<winsen>someone mooving
21:10<justin__>Translate that into english
21:10<winsen>who move
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21:10<winsen>ok, i'll try
21:11<justin__>You're a nomad
21:11<ghosTM55>gsimmons , justin__ : thx
21:11<justin__>Ok, so when you're a nomad
21:11<justin__>And you want to use wifi
21:11<justin__>Yes, I know
21:11<justin__>So, you want to use wifi..
21:12<justin__>What is your problem again?
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21:14<winsen>yes , my wifi works perfectly, and i don't use network manager, but i wonder how to make this connection without ?
21:14<justin__>sudo aptitude install wicd
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21:15<winsen>you mean i should install wicd or nm to connect in nomad? is it?
21:15<justin__>No, not network-manager, install wicd
21:15<jsubl2>running squeeze gnome desktop. can not get the temperature to show up in the clock panel applet
21:15<justin__>Unless you have a WPA2 connection, wicd
21:16<justin__>jsubl2: It won't appear in the clock, you have to add it as an applet
21:16<winsen>ok, wicd, i should install it to make connection in nomad, and there's no other solution
21:16<jsubl2>thanks justin__
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21:18<Snorkasaurus>Is there a problem with WPA2 and wicd?
21:19<winsen>i mean is there another solution? except to install wicd
21:19<justin__>Kinda, due to the fact that wicd uses the /etc/network/interfaces
21:19<jsubl2>is compiz risky or pretty stable
21:19<justin__>And that file does not come with built-in wpa support
21:19<justin__>jsubl2 : Yes, it is stable, but I have no clue how to enable it
21:20<winsen><Snorkasaurus>the question is-it for me?
21:20<justin__>Because in squeeze - mostly anything is stable
21:20<jsubl2>justin__: yeah i got the instructions from the debian wiki.
21:20<Snorkasaurus>Sorry, no I was asking justin why not to use wicd and WPA2
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21:21<justin__>I have a wpa2 connection
21:21<jsubl2>not sure i am going to try.. just curious at others experiences.
21:21<justin__>For an appearant reason, Validation always fails for wpa/2
21:21<justin__>So, I tried installing wpa_supplicant
21:21<justin__>It works though
21:22<Snorkasaurus>Excellent, thanks for the answer. *tips hat*
21:22<justin__>No, doesn't work, lol
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21:23<justin__>That will help you.
21:23<justin__>Mostly, if anything is wrong - could help you
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21:24<justin__>Also, the reason why I hate network-manager on my side
21:25<justin__>When I first installed Debian (6.0.0) on my computer
21:25<justin__>I noticed that I could not connect to the network on the install - I just skipped that step
21:25<justin__>It was a pain in the ass to set up networking in debian
21:25<justin__>Because it was my first time
21:25<justin__>I did not know what to do.
21:26<justin__>I had asked for a lot of help on the IRC channel
21:26<justin__>but nothing availed
21:26<justin__>But, then, I noticed about the Debian packages website
21:26<justin__>I downloaded all needed packages for network-manager
21:26<justin__>And it worked.
21:26<justin__>But, after a few weeks
21:26<justin__>network-manager started to get annoying for me.
21:27<justin__>It had kept asking for my password every time I started up the computer.
21:27<justin__>Always asked.
21:27<justin__>When I made the switch to the KDE, it was even a bigger pain in the ass.
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21:27<justin__>I had set up KWallet - which was a bad idea
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21:28<jsubl2>the problem i have with kde is pulseaudio does a nice job with my stereo headset.. better than kde's phonon
21:28<justin__>Each, and every time I restarted my computer, it was a flurry of windows asking for KWallet Default Wallet, and I always had to retype in my WPA password.
21:28<jsubl2>so i am switching to gnome.
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21:28<justin__>I decided to uninstall network-manager-kde, and install wicd
21:29<justin__>Unfourtantely, I had another problem
21:29<justin__>It was about WPA connections
21:29<justin__>Never worked.
21:29<justin__>Then, wpa_supplicant was suggested
21:29<justin__>And now, I am here to this day, with KDE and wicd
21:29<justin__>Perfect machine.
21:30<justin__>But i'm thinking of switching back to GNOME
21:30<justin__>but I said no.
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21:30<jsubl2>cool. if it is perfect why switch
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21:30<justin__>This is why, if you read the IRC logs, I asked for "What is your favorite DE/WM"
21:31<jsubl2>I am not sure any of the desktops are "perfect". It is all about finding out what fits your taste and has the important things that you want
21:31<justin__>This is why I asked for favorites
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21:31<justin__>To see which one I should try first
21:31<justin__>And see which one is best to my liking.
21:32<jsubl2>i really like kde. but the audio was a big issue for me. so I have decided to adjust to gnome
21:32<justin__>Also - I love LXDE, but I have a giant problem that makes it unusable.
21:32<justin__>I won't talk about it, unless someone asks.
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21:34<justin__>So, what is your favorite DE/WM
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21:37<jsubl2>kde.. but i need better sound layer.. so workin on makin gnome my fav
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21:41<justin__>Also, So Se habla espa si ses habla
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21:59<jstein>hi, i am using nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-2.6 and want to switch to nouveau. I have no X now anymore and need some help. What is the best way to remove the NVIDIA stuff? Should i do aptitude purge on it?
22:00<jstein>or can it live next to nouveau?
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22:01<jsubl2>jstein: i have used this wiki page to install nvidia drivers. perhaps it will help you figure out how to reverse it and go to nouveau
22:01<gsimmons>jstein: You would at least need to purge nvidia-kernel-common to remove the nouveau blacklist, and adjust your X server configuration to no longer reference the "nvidia" driver.
22:03<jstein>the purge leads to conflicts:
22:03<jstein>The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
22:03<jstein>Remove the following packages:
22:03<jstein>1) nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx
22:03<jstein>2) nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-2.6.32-5-686
22:03<jstein>3) nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms
22:04<jstein> Leave the following dependencies unresolved:
22:04<jstein>4) libgl1-nvidia-legacy-173xx-glx recommends nvidia-kernel-173.14.27
22:04<jstein>5) nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-source recommends nvidia-kernel-common
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22:05<jstein>(sorry for flodding, i have no X and i am lucky about irssi as last resort :)
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22:05<amphi>irssi is the first resort ;)
22:06<gsimmons>jstein: If you want to retain these packages, comment line 8 of /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf instead of purging. Otherwise, remove the packages. You still need to adjust your X configuration in both respects.
22:06<jstein>i suppose i have to purge 4 and 5 after that manually?
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22:07<yangsx>it turns out my ether network card is malfunctioning, rmmod e1000e solves the sluggish problem
22:09<jstein>ok i have purged, then made comments in the blacklist file, now i try Xorg -configure but it fails:
22:09<jstein>(EE) [drm] No DRICreatePCIBusID symbol
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22:10<jstein>i did "rmmod nvidia" too
22:11<jstein>will i have to reboot first?
22:12<mosno>are there any plans to remove the non-free component of debian?
22:12<cthuluh>mosno: no
22:12<jstein>mosno: is any left?
22:12<mosno>cthuluh, good :)
22:12<jsubl2>do you need an initrd that has the nouveau driver in it
22:12<mosno>jstein, i seem to recall talk about this, recently
22:13<mosno>jstein, what do you mean? there's a bunch of stuff in non-free (which is the way i like it)
22:13<kop>!tell mosno about social contract
22:13<jstein>mosno: ah you meant the non-free repository.... sorry i was wrong.
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22:13<jstein>jsubl2: how can i gain that?
22:14<jsubl2>install the driver then mkinitrd the reboot and cross fingers.
22:14<kop>jstein: updateinitrd -u
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22:14<mosno>kop, i suppose this phrase in the social contract cements support for the non-free component: "although non-free works are not a part of Debian, we support their use and provide infrastructure for non-free packages"
22:15<mosno>ie. removal of the component would be a breach of the contract
22:15<kop>jstein: oops. update-initramfs -u
22:15<jstein>kop: i have no updateinitrd command
22:15<jstein>^^ ok
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22:16<kop>jstein: First install the driver and see if it works.
22:16<dondelelcaro>mosno: it'd require a GR, which would change the contract. we last had a vote on it in 2004
22:16<mosno>dondelelcaro, ah. i found the 2004 GR, but for some reason i thought there was something more recent. thanks for clarifying
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22:17<jstein>aptitude shows i A xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
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22:17<jsubl2>kop is the command update-initramfs
22:17<kop>jsubl2: Yes.
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22:18<jsubl2>sorry for givin out wrong info..
22:18<kop>jsubl2: Not really wrong.
22:18<jstein>jsubl2: mkinitrd is not known on my system
22:18<kop>jstein: IIRC it's not mkinitramfs
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22:19<jstein>by the way i have debian testing here if that matters...
22:19<jstein>how can i test the driver now?
22:21<dondelelcaro>mosno: there are other decisions related to what is non-free, but they don't address non-free itself.
22:21<kop>jstein: Stop and start X. Often this is done by stopping and starting the *dm, say,: /etc/init.d/gdm restart Of course this will kill your current X session.
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22:22<kop>jstein: You could use startx..... There's several ways. I'm not sure what's "best".
22:22<mosno>dondelelcaro, ah. so, besides the kernel firmware, was there any major recent discussion on this that you recall, ie. discussion that would affect what is found in the non-free component?
22:22<dondelelcaro>mosno: discussions or votes?
22:23<mosno>dondelelcaro, votes, or discussions which seem that they're about to lead to a vote
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22:23<jstein>ok i did /etc/init.d/kdm stop and then
22:23<jstein># Xorg -configure
22:23<jstein>but it failed again with
22:24<jstein>(EE) [drm] No DRICreatePCIBusID symbol
22:24<jstein>Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices. Configuration failed.
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22:24<kop>jstein: Do you have an xorg.conf? If so try moving it somewhere safe and let X do it's own config.
22:25<jstein>i thought Xorg -configure would generate its own new one Xorg.conf
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22:26<kop>jstein: I'm not clear. Surely it won't if it does not need one. Get rid of old cruft.
22:26<jstein>kop: it will always generate a new Xorg.con in /root/
22:27<dondelelcaro>mosno: all of the votes are listed on the right of; as far as discussions go, the best thing is to search google, unless you have a specific question about it that I can answer
22:27<kop>jstein: Ok. Anyway you could try starting X and seeing what's in the logs. You probably do not want a config file.
22:27<gsimmons>jstein: Without a xorg.conf file/snippet, Xorg should be able to detect your graphics device and use the nouveau driver.
22:27<jstein>i suppose i have to load the module or something like that
22:27<mosno>ok, thanks dondelelcaro
22:28<kop>jstein: Just installing the package should be enough. (Although if you've been messing with the proprietary stuff undoing that could be an issue.)
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22:28<mosno>dondelelcaro, ps. i think that URL is broken
22:28<mosno>dondelelcaro, ("page not found" message)
22:29<jstein>ok i will reboot now, perhaps that helps
22:30<jstein>brb and thank you so far. kop and gsimmons and jsubl2
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22:31<shrek>hi all
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22:39<stein>hi jstein is back
22:40<kop>stein: working?
22:40<stein>not well... during boot i got now a higher resolution then usual it looked nice
22:41<stein>then after text modus stage the tft went black and keyboard LEDs are off
22:41<stein>no key reacts
22:41<stein>i can even not connect via ssh
22:41<stein>i am sitting on another pc now
22:42<kop>stein: You'll have to boot into rescue mode (single user mode) from the boot menu and fix things there. You can "su - jstein" to become you for irc. (And, I think, the alt-Fn consoles are available for doing multiple things at once.)
22:43<stein>what can i press in grup to get runlevel without x?
22:43<kop>stein: There should be "rescue" line. Move the hilighted line with the arrow keys and press enter.
22:43<kop>stein: "rescue" means single user mode.
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22:45<stein>recovery mode is booting now
22:46<stein>last line of Textscreen is invisible. It is below the last line visible on TFT
22:47<stein>i have to type things blind now
22:47<kop>stein: Turn the tft off and on again and let it auto-adjust.
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22:47<kop>stein: (There's also a rescue mode in the install media that works well. fyi.)
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22:50<stein>ok i could login now. i will disable x now
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22:55<jstein>ok the system can start to textmode now and has high resolution text
22:55<jstein># Xorg -configure still fails
22:56<jstein># lsmod | grep nouv
22:56<jstein>nouveau 314892 1
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22:56<kop>jstein: Do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
22:56<jstein>and some more... so things could be worse
22:57<jstein>no xorg.conf here
22:57<jstein>i think its called XF86.... now right?
22:57<amphi>jstein: squeeze?
22:57<kop>jstein: No. That was the old name.
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22:57<jstein>no testing
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22:58<jstein>ah i see
22:58<amphi>that also will have no xorg.conf by default
22:58<kop>jstein: Uh, testing breaks. (Dunno what's broken just now, but...)
22:58<jstein>then i have no xorg.conf and X refuses to generate a new one
22:58<kop>jstein: X does not need one.
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22:59<kop>jstein: Try to start X and pastebin the log so we can look.
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23:00<stein>narf... i started X with plain 'X' on bash
23:00<stein>black screen, dead keyboard
23:00<stein>i try ssh
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23:01<stein>ssh is dead too :(
23:01<kop>stein: Possibly unplugging and replugging the keyboard will recover that. Then you can alt-Fn for consoles.
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23:02<kop>stein: You should at least have some sort of log. :)
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23:02<stein>kbd replug did not work =>> powercycle
23:02<kop>stein: A serial console is helpful in these cases.
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23:05<stein>do you know a script that pastes on console to paste.xy?
23:06<kop>!tell stein about pastebinit
23:06<amphi>or use w3m
23:06<kop>!tell stein about script
23:07<kop>stein: Humm. That last was not the right factoid.
23:07<kop>stein: script captures console/tty output.
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23:08<stein>!tell screen
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23:09<kop>stein: No. But I think screen may have a capture feature.
23:09<kop>!tell stein about selftell
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23:09<SynrG>pastebinit is correct. screen is something else again, and your bot syntax is broken. either no "tell" to get it to speak in channel, or "tell someone about factoid"
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23:10<SynrG>(if you just want to see it privately, open a query window to dpkg and ask it directly
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23:11<SynrG>bleah. sick with a temp of 38.8°C (that's down a half degree from before) and finding it hard to sleep
23:12<stein>-5 C here (Cologne)
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23:12<SynrG>stein: body temperature
23:12<kop>SynrG: See you in #debian-offtopic?
23:12<SynrG>i hope your body temp isn't -5°C :)
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23:13<stein>kop: can you see anything interesting in the log?
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23:19<stein>it seems the n. driver searches for wrong cards, right?
23:20<stein>i have a FX5500 but it tries many other modules....
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23:21<gsimmons>stein: /root/ is being sourced for Xorg configuration. Try not doing this.
23:21<stein>ok i rm it
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23:23<stein>do you think the resolution is to high?
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23:24<stein>the 24 TFT should be able for it, but the VGA perhaps not...
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23:25<stein>after the lines i pasted the system hangs again
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23:25<stein>ssh is dead, keyboard too
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23:27<kop>stein: Gee. Dunno. It died quick. It would not hurt at all to lower the resolution. (I've lost track of where that is.) (And given that you're on testing it would not hurt to check the bug tracking system, unless someone says otherwise.)
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23:29<jonnykwest100>hay does any body knows what is that mean in terminal "[any elf file] &"
23:29<SynrG>[] is metadata syntax saying "something goes here". elf is the standard format for binaries adopted by linux.
23:30<SynrG>and & is literal (background it)
23:30<kop>jonnykwest100: man bash Search for "background". (Read "man less" to find out how to search.)
23:31<jonnykwest100>thanks SynrG and kop
23:31<jonnykwest100>you are the best
23:31<kop>!tell jonnykwest100 about homework
23:32<arand>bug #611874 mentions "I see an upload for 0.16.2 is already pending" Where exactly is this "pending" and can it be viewed?
23:32<SynrG>well, that too
23:33<SynrG>arand: see
23:33<SynrG>in short, "no"
23:34<SynrG>uploads typically contain more than one thing. bugs that are fixed in the package work-in-progress are marked "pending" until an upload is actually ready to be made.
23:34<SynrG>(well, if the developer bothers to use that tag)
23:36<SynrG>or rather, i should say, preparing an upload is a multi-step process that can take some time to complete.
23:36<SynrG>that's when this tag comes in handy
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23:37<arand>Ok, dev sets status to pending since (s)he intends to fix it in near future, right...
23:37<SynrG>usually *has fixed it already* ...
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23:37<SynrG>but is not yet ready to upload
23:38<SynrG>it's to signal to people reading the bug "don't bother fixing this yourself, as i have fixed it and will upload when ready"
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23:39<arand>Ok, makes sense. I first though the other coment indicated that an upload had already been made.
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23:41<ayaka>msg dpkg asound
23:45<th>i have several old usb sticks, i'm thinking of using those as swap
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23:45<th>is there any precaution or tips in doing this with debian squeeze?
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23:50<kop>th: usb stick write performance is absymal.
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23:51<th>i see, i'm thinking of using several sticks at once with the same swap priority
23:51<kop>th: Write is at least 10x slower than read.
23:52<th>yes, i found some sticks are too slow
23:52<kop>th: (Although not so much for small bursts. But you're talking swap, which can need lots fast.)
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23:53<SynrG>swap is an awful solution to not having enough memory ...
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23:53<SynrG>you take a big performance hit
23:53<th>i ran dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=4096 to check which stick has an acceptable write speed
23:53<SynrG>granted, when you need swap it's better to have it than not at all ...
23:53<th>some sticks write under 1MB/s
23:54<SynrG>but given sufficient ram, i find i don't really need it.
23:54<th>but i've found 2 which has 10MB/s write speed with 4KB block size
23:54<SynrG>one place this came in handy was the eeepc model 4G, which had only a 4G ssd
23:54<SynrG>couldn't really afford swap
23:54<th>i see
23:54<SynrG>but the standard 512M was upgradable, so i put 2G in it
23:55<SynrG>pretty much rendering swap unnecessary
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23:59<sney>gohan4748: you really need to stop doing that.
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