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00:04<soloflyer>does hey doubledutch! can i ask you if anyone uses debian?
00:06<AgentC>can ask me too
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00:08<soloflyer>lol, i was going to ask what i can install it on... but im thinking that asking what i cant install it on is probably more interesting :P
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00:13<sney>can't: toasters, other home appliances, pets, motor vehicles not already equipped with computers
00:14<soloflyer>pets! :P
00:14<sney>can: pretty much anything with a processor, memory, storage medium... though you'll have the easiest success with run of the mill consumer PC hardware
00:15<soloflyer>lol that sums it up nicely :)
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00:19<sney>if in doubt, try the livecd
00:19<soloflyer>LOL :)
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00:22<soloflyer>i can now install debian in my eyes !!!
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00:35<TheUrias7>alguem ai?
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00:36<TheUrias7>pode me ajudar com o kurumin 7?
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02:23<snan>hi, is there a good way to figure out which xserver-xorg-video- package to install?
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02:24<kop>snan: what's the pciid of your video card?
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02:29<leocade>hello guys. I run chown through root terminal to try and change a directory ownership to non-root but it says "operation not permitted"
02:29<soloflyer>are you sure that your root?
02:29<leocade>the command I'm using is "chown [user] [folder]"
02:30<leocade>soloflyer i logged in as non root but ran terminal and changed to root with su
02:30<soloflyer>what does whoami say?
02:31<snan>kop: is that the left-most number in the output of lspci? if so, 00:02 I guess
02:31<soloflyer>where is there folder that you are trying to change?
02:32<leocade>everything in that directory is owned by the user except this folder
02:32<soloflyer>its not a mount is it?
02:32<leocade>oh yeah it is
02:32<soloflyer>tada :)
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02:33<leocade>that leads to some other issues I'm having. I mounted my windows drive and I believe linux made everything on the drive read only
02:33<soloflyer>why do you belive that?
02:33<leocade>although i can change most things, some things i have to run through cmd under administrator privilages
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02:34<leocade>whenever i change from read only it changes back to read only as soon as i close the window
02:34<soloflyer>in linux or in windows
02:34<leocade>I believe it has something to do with using VMWARE
02:34<leocade>i used VMWARE and i tried to access raw disks and i think it might have currupted some data and linux was tryign to protect it
02:35<leocade>as many of my desktop settings in linux changed itself
02:35<leocade>do you think linux would have made my windows drive read-only?
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02:36<soloflyer>linux might mount the file system readonly... or if its ntfs it might have set the file system to require a fsck
02:36<leocade>i see
02:37<soloflyer>in which case you might need to do a fsck in windows...
02:37<soloflyer>by which i mean chkdisk
02:37<leocade>right around that time windows was telling me to do a chkdsk
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02:37<jm_>snan: no, it's in [abcd:efgh] format, lspci -nn
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02:37<gsimmons>snan: That is the slot value, use "lspci -nn | grep VGA" to display the PCI ID (e.g. [10de:0193]). Installing the xserver-xorg-video-all package will bring in all available output drivers.
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02:38<leocade>soloflyer when everything on my desktop went to read-only
02:38<leocade>soloflyer okay i had another question
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02:39<snan>it turned out to be 8086:2a02
02:39<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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02:39<leocade>another thing about VMware and linux. the reason for me asking about changing ownership. When i try to share a folder in vmare through the workstation is properly sets up the folder and i placed it in a mounted location, i try to copy the folder to this shared folder but it tells me that i need permission from 1 0 1 1 or some such
02:40<leocade>soloflyer which im assuming is linux requiring the guest os to have permission?
02:40<leocade>the guest os im using is windows
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02:41<soloflyer>i dont know or use vmware... sorry
02:41<leocade>okay. is there a way to change ownership of a mounted location?
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02:42<soloflyer>leocade: you need to change the ownership of the mounted filesystem
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02:43<leocade>soloflyer would you be able to point me in the direction?
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02:43<soloflyer>leocade: but im thinking that you could probably more easily make a folder in the mount point and change the ownership permissions of that
02:44<soloflyer>as you probably dont want to give all the required permissions for mounting a file system just so that the guest can store files there
02:44<snan>leocade: you can also mount things as the user, either by using pmount or by having user in the right place in /etc/fstab
02:44<leocade>where should it be located in the fstab?
02:45<snan>among the options
02:45<snan>for example, here I have for my cd rom:
02:45<snan>/dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
02:45<leocade>i have somethign similar
02:45<leocade>should it be in place of user?
02:45<snan>it should be user
02:46<leocade>that is what i have in fstab
02:46<snan>do you have it on the line for the mount point that you're discussing now?
02:46<leocade>/dev/sdb2 /home/leocade/shared vfat users,defaults,umask=000 0 0
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02:46<snan>oh so you can mount it as user I guess?
02:46<soloflyer>user not users
02:47<snan>good catch!
02:47<leocade>thanks a lot guys I'll see if this works. might explain why
02:47<leocade>ill reboot and see how it works
02:47<soloflyer>just unmount and remount.... ?
02:48<snan>soloflyer: if it's the home directory they probably can't easily unmount it
02:48<snan>ah it's only *in* the home directory. sorry
02:48<soloflyer>snan: its... yeah :)
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02:51<soloflyer>snan: btw why is there a space in "udf,iso9660 user,noauto"
02:51<leocade>okay i just did umount /dev/sdb2 then mount /dev/sdb2 /home/leocade/shared
02:51<snan>to separate file systems from options
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02:52<leocade>and i tried chown shared leocade (while in the directory) under root in terminal
02:52<soloflyer>snan: thats the stupidest question i have asked all day...
02:52<leocade>and it still comes up with operation not permitted
02:52*soloflyer hits head on desk
02:52<soloflyer>leocade: ls -l /home/leocade/shared
02:53<soloflyer>wait no
02:53<leocade>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 16384 Feb 7 17:53
02:53<soloflyer>yeah thats what i wanted :)
02:53<snan>ls -ld
02:53<soloflyer>snan: thats the one :)
02:54<leocade>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 16384 Feb 7 17:53
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02:54<leocade>oops sorry drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 16384 Dec 31 1969 /home/leocade/shared
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02:55<snan>after installing xserver-xorg-video-all I can startx at half resolution, but xrandr, which I (pre the squeeze upgrade) used to set my resolution, can't find my outputs
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02:55<soloflyer>snan: what video driver?
02:56<snan>that's what I'm trying to figure out
02:56<snan>I don't remember what I had; after I rebooted from the squeeze upgrade, xdm didn't start
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02:56<snan>I'm not good at X stuff
02:57<snan>I used to not have a xorg.conf file and just let it figure things out by itself
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02:58<soloflyer>snan: so what does xrandr say?
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03:00<snan>hmm, let's se
03:00<snan>xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
03:00<snan>Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 800 x 600, maximum 800 x 600
03:00<snan>default connected 800x600+0+0 0mm x 0mm
03:00<snan> 800x600 61.0*
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03:02<snan>it says this:
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03:04<snan>(updated it to add the stderr stuff)
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03:04<soloflyer>glxinfo ?
03:05<soloflyer>maybe the xsession log?
03:05<soloflyer>your not running the binary nvidia drivers are you?
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03:05<snan>no, I'm not
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03:08<jm_>!which driver
03:08<dpkg>To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into . To determine the driver currently associated with an Ethernet interface, ask me about <which ethernet module>. To show the video driver used by your X server: grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log . See also <oot>, <nodriver>, <judd-hardware>.
03:09<soloflyer>jm_: handy :)
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03:09<snan>jm_: that's awesome
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03:13<jm_>snan: for you that grep command shall do
03:14<snan>that kmuto thing was really awesome, though! Unrelated to my X woes, I've been planning to get an 802.11 usb thingie but it seems I already have it on PCI
03:18<snan>kmuto suggests these drivers (related to graphics): intel-agp, i915 and intel. i915 was already loaded and modprobe gives me module not found on the other two
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03:19<soloflyer>and what does grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log say
03:19<snan>Grepping the logs for load (good idea!) only gave me intel, vesa and fbdev, which hasn't worked so well so far.
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03:22<soloflyer>intel is the driver you want anyway
03:22<snan>the only one that seems to have started to day is vesa
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03:23<jm_>that might suggest driver 'intel" doesn't handle your hardware
03:23<soloflyer>well the vesa one would explain why your having problesm
03:23<jm_>vesa explains low resolution
03:23<jm_>which driver version? which hardware?
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03:24<soloflyer>dpkg -l xorg
03:24<dpkg>No packages found matching xorg
03:25<snan>I just did apt-get dist-upgrade to squeeze yesterday so it's "Version: 2:2.14.0-4+exp1" and lspci lists the hardware as "Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960"
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03:26<soloflyer>what happens when you tell xorg to use the intel driver?
03:26<jm_>that's old stuff I believe
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03:26<jm_>btw, squeeze has 2.13, not 2.14
03:26<gsimmons>Old stuff? That driver is from experimental.
03:27<jm_>no I meant the hardware, not the driver
03:27<anton>is there any ways making Broadcom Net Extrem II from IBM server 3400?
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03:27<anton>i had problems, make it's modul
03:28<snan>ah I have experimental! I should remove that and go back to squeeze maybe?
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03:28<snan>I get (EE) No devices detected.
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03:30<soloflyer>am i missing somethingwhat is that the driver version for?
03:30<snan>I forgot about that experimental thing. but going back to the squeeze version didn't do any difference
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03:30<snan>it's the version of the package xserver-xorg-video-intel. Now I have "2:2.13.0-5"
03:31<soloflyer>snan: riiight :) i was wondering what version of xorg that was :P
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03:32<jm_>does "man intel" mention this hardware?
03:33<snan>man intel lists it under "supported hardware"
03:33<snan>xorg-server 2:1.7.7-11
03:34<th>anton, what module do you need? is it tg3?
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03:36<snan>that's with vesa removed
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03:42<Torsten_W>snan, can you show a dmesg | grep -i drm?
03:43<snan>[ 6.951306] [drm] Initialized drm 1.1.0 20060810
03:43<snan>[ 7.126336] [drm] Initialized i915 1.6.0 20080730 for 0000:00:02.0 on minor 0
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03:45<Torsten_W>snan, can you paste the contents of /etc/modprobe.d/?
03:47<soloflyer>and i915-kms.conf
03:48<Torsten_W>snan, cat /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf
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03:49<Torsten_W>i bet, modesetting is deactivated
03:49<snan>you were right
03:49<Torsten_W>then, it can't work, since intel depends on modesetting
03:49<Torsten_W>snan, rm /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf
03:50<snan>thank you!
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03:50<soloflyer>the funny thing is :) that is disabled to work around another bug :P
03:51<soloflyer>specifically this one
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03:52<soloflyer>howd it go?
03:52<gsimmons>Torsten_W: Uh, no. That needs to be set to modeset=1 to enable KMS.
03:53<snan>I'll try it again with gsimmons' change
03:53<soloflyer>snan which kernel version?
03:53<snan>2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP
03:54<snan>brb, I'll reboot again
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03:58<soloflyer>i have this bad feeling he isnt coming back due to black screen bug.. caused by kms
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03:59<snan>ok, some changes happened
03:59<soloflyer>i spoke too soon
03:59<soloflyer>black screen?
03:59<snan>no, it seemed to work
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03:59<snan>this is from the console, though. (which now is strangly high-res, slow and flickery)
04:00<soloflyer>i see
04:00<jm_>the joys of the best graphics driver in linux :)
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04:01<snan> xrandr has some now outputs
04:01<snan>it has my current screen listed as VGA1
04:02<snan>I used to be able to run it 1600x1200
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04:04<soloflyer>snan: got an xorg log?
04:04<Torsten_W>gsimmons, modsetting is enabled by default
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04:05<snan>the screen went black for a while and I was so scared
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04:05<wickedchicken>hey guys
04:05<wickedchicken>I updated from lenny -> squeeze with limited HDD space
04:05<snan>Torsten_W: I guess not because it didn't start to act this way until I restored the file with it set to 1
04:05<wickedchicken>everything seemed to go OK (I had to restart the apt-get process a few times)
04:06<wickedchicken>but when I reboot, it seems udev doesn't recognize my second hard drive
04:06<wickedchicken>I also don't have any network access now, perhaps because I had wireless and I have to work on that...
04:07<wickedchicken>seems to be the same problem as here:
04:07<Torsten_W>if it would not, then the file in /etc/modprobe.d would be useseless with e setting to 0
04:07<jm_>wickedchicken: cat /proc/partitions
04:08<wickedchicken>both sda and sdb are there
04:08<jm_>so it finds both
04:08<wickedchicken>kernel sees it in dmesg
04:08<wickedchicken>if I do ls /dev/sd* I get nothing
04:08<wickedchicken>obviously /dev/sda is loaded up by GRUB'
04:08<snan>without the file, I got "no screens detected" instead of "no devices detected". with it set to 1 I got this which is 1024 as far as I can tell
04:08<wickedchicken>"cannot access /dev/sd*: No such file or directory"
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04:09<wickedchicken>now, I was running a custom kernel under lenny, would that be a problem?
04:09<jm_>no, unless you are still using that
04:09<wickedchicken>yes, I am still using the same kernel
04:09<jm_>is it compiled with the right options for udev?
04:10<wickedchicken>how would I be able to tell?
04:10<snan>Torsten_W: I agree though, it makes sense that there would be a default that's either 0 or 1
04:10<gsimmons>Torsten_W: No, it's disabled at run time in Debian kernel images by default. WRT intel, the default modprobe configuration file (xserver-xorg-video-intel) enables it.
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04:10<wickedchicken>jm_: the source is on the hard drive I can't access right now (sdb), is there a warning message I can look for?
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04:11<soloflyer>wickedchicken: do you have access to /boot/config-blah
04:11<jm_>wickedchicken: yeah udev does mention it, one needs to disable CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED
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04:11<wickedchicken>I don't have a /boot/config for the kernel I'm running
04:12<wickedchicken>and it looks like the other one I have access to has SYSFS_DEPRECATED enabled
04:12<wickedchicken>so I imagine this is my problem?
04:12<jm_>could be yes
04:12<soloflyer>wickedchicken: if you were using this custom kernel with lenny i would say that it would also have it enabled
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04:13<wickedchicken>honestly, part of me feels like wiping and doing a fresh install of squeeze
04:13<jm_>that's so windows like
04:13<wickedchicken>I grew up on slackware
04:14<wickedchicken>so all the configuration stuff with debian is both cool and foreign
04:14<wickedchicken>so whenever something breaks I just assume it's irrecoverable :)
04:14<snan>(II) intel(0): Output VGA1 has no monitor section
04:14<soloflyer>if you have lots of custom mods its sometimes makes sense to start from scratch
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04:15<wickedchicken>although I recently discovered checkinstall which makes installing custom software play much nicer
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04:16<soloflyer>i keep thinking that i should have multiple layover unionfs file systems for my modifications :P
04:16<wickedchicken>soloflyer: revision control for your OS
04:17<soloflyer>wickedchicken: exactly
04:17<wickedchicken>the funny part is that most of my custom stuff is probably in squeeze anyway
04:17<soloflyer>ditto :)
04:18<wickedchicken>ugh, it'll be annoying reinstalling since this is a netbook
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04:18<soloflyer>wickedchicken: checkinstall is cool but i really just want a version controlled file system for my config files
04:18<wickedchicken>so all installs have to be done via USB stick
04:19<soloflyer>wickedchicken: squeeze makes that alot easier with the new hybrid iso's
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04:19<wickedchicken>soloflyer: what's that
04:19<soloflyer>download iso; dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdX
04:19<soloflyer>you dont need to download the bootable hdd image
04:19<soloflyer>or any of that
04:20<soloflyer>very :)
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04:21<wickedchicken>see, I'm really conflicted. I love the debian approach to everything *except* the release cycle. but as far as I can tell, 'debian with a shorter release cycle' is ubuntu...
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04:21<soloflyer>wickedchicken: lol hardly
04:21<wickedchicken>should I just stick my repo at testing then?
04:22<soloflyer>wickedchicken: wait for CUT
04:22<soloflyer>or use testing as a rolling release
04:22<soloflyer>Constantly usable testing
04:22<soloflyer>proposed at the last debconf
04:22<wickedchicken>soloflyer: so what you're telling me is debian is building exactly what I want
04:23<wickedchicken>god damn.
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04:24<wickedchicken>soloflyer: stuff like that makes me want to be a contributor. maybe I'll get around to it sometime
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04:24<jjp>soloflyer: is there an agenda for CUT ?
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04:26<snan>considering the problems I've had today I'm kinda glad it only happens once a year
04:26<soloflyer>snan: lol
04:27<wickedchicken>sweet, well thanks for your time soloflyer and jm_
04:27<wickedchicken>think I'm gonna wipe and put fresh squeeze on there, then look on the horizon for this CUT thing
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04:28<lac_>how do I remove adobe acrobat reader 8.0 from my system?
04:29<jm_>lac_: how did you install it?
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04:30<lac_>jm_: no idea. I inherited this machine and it was already here, and broken. I want to get rid of it so I can install a fresh one
04:30<jm_>lac_: where is it installed in? "which acroread" in shell
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04:31<jm_>then it's likely packaged - dpkg -S /usr/bin/acroread
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04:33<lac_>I get a screen full of files that contain acroread.
04:33<lac_>so I can use dpkg to remove them one by one?
04:33<dEhiN>does anyone know if debian had a precompiled package for mozilla firefox?
04:33<jm_>uhm you get a screenfull when you run dpkg -S /usr/bin/acroread?
04:34<lillecarl>dEhiN, IceWeasel
04:34<dEhiN>ok, thanks
04:34<lillecarl>np :)
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04:34<lillecarl>its installed by default :P
04:34<soloflyer>default? when did that happen...?
04:35<twb>Regarding apache2: I have set up a number of SSL name-based vhosts, but I want default-ssl to be the first one in the list, so it is, you know, the default.
04:35<lac_>jm_: yes.
04:35<twb>It seems that a2ensite treats the site "default" specially, prepending 000- to ensure it really is the default.
04:35<twb>Is there any way to get this for default-ssl, too?
04:36<twb>(Other than making the symlink myself, obviously.)
04:36<jm_>lac_: no no no, dpkg -S /usr/bin/acroread, not dpkg -S acroread, but yes, remove adobereader-enu to start with
04:36<snan>don't remove the others they have just the icon
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04:36<snan>don't kill them just for having a little icon that's harsh
04:37<twb>snan: some gods specifically forbid icons!
04:37<lac_>jm_: sorry. yes that only says adobereader-enu: /usr/bin/acroread
04:37<jm_>lac_: yup, remove this one with apt I guess
04:37<twb>So they *must* be bad, like sodomy and chocolate cake!
04:37<soloflyer>twb and what about printers?
04:37<snan>twb: they can be forgiven for this one sin
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04:39<snan>twb: even if some packages did a little sodomy I wouldn't mind. just as long as it's DFSG compliant
04:39<snan>sorry all
04:39<jjp>twb: I think a2ensite only establishes links from /etc/apache2/sites-available to /etc/apache2/sites-enabled, these are then loaded in the (alphanumeric ?) order of the links names
04:39<twb>jjp: right
04:40<soloflyer>snan: lol
04:40<jjp>twb: so u should be able to order things by establishing links yourself
04:40<twb>jjp: yeah, that was plan B
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04:51<snan>hello party people! I guess I overthunk the xrandr problem; my outputs had changed their names but I still needed to explicitly turn off the ones I didn't use. so now it works
04:52<bluenemo>hi guys, do you think this item will work with debian?
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04:54<prem>hi all.,by default in my debian "grep" works in case-insensitive mode
04:54<twb>Sure; it's just a URL
04:54<prem>how to make it recognize as case sensitive
04:55<twb>prem: what does "alias grep" report?
04:55<jm_>prem: find out what shell really executes
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04:56<twb>prem: what does "echo $GREP_OPTIONS" report?
04:56<prem>jm_, it is bash only i think
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04:56<jm_>prem: yes, but you should find out which arguments does it execute grep with
04:56<prem>twb, it throws nothing
04:57<prem>and alias grep shows it is not listed twb
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04:57<twb>What does "locale" report on the right-hand-side of all the options?
04:58<prem>twb, en_US.utf8 for all options
04:58<twb>I dunno then
04:58<prem>twb, does that matter
04:58<snan>thank you all for your help. Torsten_W and gsimmons, you guys cracked the puzzle!
04:58<prem>if i change it to somethign else will ti work?
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04:59<prem>jm_, am not passing any argument actually
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05:00<prem>jm_, twb echo "debian" | grep [a-z] and echo "debian" | grep [A-Z] return the same
05:00<twb>prem: [x-y] should be quoted
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05:01<prem>twb, putting quotes in all possible places didnt help
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05:14<SynrG>prem: curious. works with -P
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05:15<prem>SynrG, god thanks man..have been breaking head for such a long time
05:15<SynrG>that's not a solution. just an observation
05:15<prem>anyway [:digit:] [:lower:] are also not workign properly with grep
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05:16<prem>well yes -P is give for perl expressions..
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05:20<SynrG>prem: but since this version of grep migrated to squeeze april 24, 2010 ... it seems somehow unlikely it would remain broken the way we think it's broken for this long. there's something about your test that i think we're not understanding
05:20<prem>SynrG, hmm worst condition
05:20<twb>SynrG: just send him to #bash
05:21<twb>The problem has become boring :P
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05:24<snan>it was weird about that /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf thing since running dpkg -L xserver-xorg-video-intel claims that it would’ve fixed it. but it didn’t.
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05:25<jm_>snan: dpkg -L fix anything? I highly doubt that
05:25<twb>snan: does your .conf do modeset=1 ?
05:25<snan>now it does
05:26<twb>snan: what's the problem?
05:26<snan>jm_: I mean dpkg -L reports that it’s a file that xserver-xorg-video-intel installs
05:26<snan>there’s no problem any more
05:26<snan>everything works super fine
05:26<snan>I’m just curious as to how this happened in the first place
05:26<jm_>snan: but it's also a config file so special handling is used
05:27<snan>so I probably set it manually to modeset=0 three years ago and forgot about it
05:27<snan>and it didn’t alert me during the upgrade
05:27<twb>snan: if you have etckeeper installed, it'll tell you
05:27<twb>That is, if it *was* installed three years ago
05:27<snan>it wasn’t
05:28<twb>Install it now, then, for next time
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05:29<snan>it’s weird because I explicitly installed this particular package by itself, using apt-get today. it used to be that debian showed me these weird messages like »do you want to keep your version, show the difference or what have you?
05:29<snan>I love debian, don’t get me wrong
05:29<snan>I’m just trying to figure out what happened in case someone else gets the same problem
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05:30<jm_>not sure what happens on downgrades,s ince that's what you did
05:30<jm_>if it's relevant that is
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05:32<snan>ah, I guess what I did might count as a downgrade
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05:33<SynrG>prem: not sure about the [:lower:] and [:upper:] classes, but as per grep man page, [a-z] and [A-Z] forms are sensitive to locale. so this should give the correct result:
05:33<SynrG>echo "debian" | LC_ALL=C grep "[A-Z]" ; echo "debian" | LC_ALL=C grep "[a-z]"
05:33<SynrG>will echo debian only once
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05:34<SynrG>prem: yeah, this is ok too:
05:34<SynrG>echo "debian" | LC_ALL=C grep "[[:lower:]]" ; echo "debian" | LC_ALL=C grep "[[:upper:]]"
05:35<prem>SynrG, yeas you are right .,in my system "LC_ALL" was not set till now
05:35<prem>it was just empty
05:35<eBittin|2>Somone knows of any Calender program that has a Debian PPC package?
05:36<SynrG>oh, and [[:lower:]] and [[:upper:]] don't depend on locale
05:36<prem>after settign it to "C" .,now echo "debian" | grep "[A-Z]" and echo "debian" | grep "[a-z]" works proper
05:36<prem>good thanks SynrG it really helped
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06:15<bluenemo>if you want to laugh check this out
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06:28<locklace>bind falls over yet again
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06:35<Hydroxide>locklace: meh. already patched, only a couple versions vulnerable, has a workaround for some use cases, no remote code execution ... I'm not going to complain :) that said, I'm sure Debian will release an official stable security update soon like most responsible vendors. the secure version is already in unstable though I have no idea if it installs properly on stable.
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06:36<locklace>i'm just surprised anyone still uses it. it's the swiss cheese of dns servers
06:37<Hydroxide>it's also the swiss army knife of dns servers :)
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06:37<Hydroxide>maybe it's jut the switzerland of dns servers :)
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06:41<navis>hi all
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06:41<navis>I installed gnome-shell from experimental, but get an error when I start it:
06:41<navis>GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.gnome.desktop.interface' does not contain a key named 'accessibility'
06:42<navis>and indeed, there seems to be a problem in my dconf shemas, since dconf-editor crashes when I clik on gnome.desktop.interface
06:42<Hydroxide>navis: two points: (1) if you're using stuff from experimental, be sure you're also using unstable/sid, since it isn't designed to go together with anything else or stand alone; (2) there is a reason it's called experimental :)
06:42<navis>has anyone tried gnome-shell recently ?
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06:43<navis>Hydroxide: yes I know, I'm usually on sid, but wanted to try the latest gnome shell to see how it evolves
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06:43<navis>Hydroxide: and my normal desktop still works fine
06:44<navis>Hydroxide: it's just that if anyone else solved that error, I'd be glad for a clue :-)
06:45<Hydroxide>navis: cool, feel free to stick around in case a gnome-shell user (not me) answers, even though experimental issues are mostly beyond the scope of #debian user support. regardless, I'm sure the Debian gnome team would appreciate the additional bug reports in the bug tracking system, or additional feedback on any relevant existing ones, or additional assistance working on gnome-shell.
06:45<navis>Hydroxide: is it good practice to report bugs against experimental versions of packages ?
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06:51<Hydroxide>navis: sure. the bug tracking system is version-aware.
06:51<navis>Hydroxide: ok let's go, thanks :-)
06:51<Hydroxide>navis: just either use reportbug or otherwise be sure to make sure your bug report includes version info
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07:11<sret>how do i keep iceweasel running in the background even if i llogout
07:11<sret>once i logout it seems to always shut off itself
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07:16<jm_>sret: it needs to talk to X server; you can use tools like vnc, freenx, xmx, guievict or even xmove
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07:30<sret>jm_: ok
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07:31<sret>jm_: ive got vino-serv runing here though
07:33<DrSampler>is there any way to automount ntfs (ms windows) partitions each time debian boots?
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07:33<jm_>sret: is that like vnc?
07:33<jm_>DrSampler: yes
07:34<jm_>I use fstab
07:34<sret>jm_: yep
07:34<DrSampler>hmm thx, i'll have a look
07:34<jm_>sret: ok in that case it's because when you log out, a child processes are typically killed
07:34<sret>jm_: after i upgraded it seems to be the new vnc server for squeeze
07:35<sret>jm_: ok so how do i not kill vnc while logging out?
07:35<sret>or X rather
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07:37<jm_>sret: well you need to have vnc server running
07:38<jm_>sret: and then you attach to it, start things there, and then simply quit the client
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07:38<sret>ok will try that, thanks
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08:06<angrywolf>gday all. I have a little problem with my virtualbox and usb connection. In fact i know i have to add myself to the group vboxusers. But this group doesn´t exist. What can i do now? Adding vbox to a group by creating this new one? or finding out wich group vbox is added? How to do?
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08:07<angrywolf>by the way... i use debian squeeze 64 bit and have installed version 4.0.4 of vbox
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08:10<gsimmons>angrywolf: The vboxusers group is not required/used since virtualbox-ose 3.0.8-dfsg-1.
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08:11<angrywolf>and wich group is the one i have to add myself?
08:11<angrywolf>my usb hardware is added in grey. not active
08:12<angrywolf>i know how to add myself temporaly in the folder proc, but with a restart it is ereased of course
08:12<adb>virtualbox-ose has no usb
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08:13<angrywolf>usb works fine... it is there
08:13<angrywolf>but i wanna add myself permanently in the vbox group
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08:17<angrywolf>sudo chmod -R go+w /proc/bus/usb/ with this string my usb devices are added, until a restart
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08:18<jm_>angrywolf: where did you install virtualbox package from?
08:21<angrywolf>this orders works for me... usb is added now. But this is no solution. I installed it from the virtualbox net.
08:24<angrywolf>root@debian:/home/angrywolf# chmod -R go+w /proc/bus/usb/ - root@debian:/home/angrywolf# chmod -R go+w /dev/bus/usb/ this is from ubuntuusers wiki
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08:26<jm_>angrywolf: we don't support oracle's virtualbox packages here
08:27<sam_>umm does neone know a program to manage iphone muic
08:27<jm_>try #vbox on
08:27<angrywolf>hmmm... the support is for debian in my opinion. I have to ask different. How to add any program to a group in debian 6.0?
08:28<angrywolf>vlc player may work, right?
08:29<jm_>you don't add programs to a group, users are members of a group
08:29<angrywolf>ty jim
08:29<angrywolf>ok, thank you
08:29<sam_>can ne one help me
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08:30<alice>sam_: got this from google
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08:30<sam_>thank you
08:31<lexi>no worries
08:32<sam_>and these would work on ubuntu
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08:32<sam_>as it is debian based
08:32<lexi>well if you did like I did
08:32<lexi>and google
08:32<lexi>debian iphone
08:32<lexi>except replace debian with ubuntu
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08:33<lexi>that should give you the answer you want
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08:33<lexi>apparently that gives better linux results
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08:35<ira>hello all, I would like to ask you how can i change my default umask for the system?
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08:36<DrSampler>that's interesting... i wonder, is it possible to execute precompiled 32bit binary in ELF format on amd64 debian system?
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08:36<DrSampler>have to check it out
08:36<berto>DrSampler: yes
08:36<DrSampler>hold on a sec, i will try
08:37<DrSampler>thx anyway
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08:38<ira>hello, may I ask please how can I change the default system umask so that to be able to create files with group write-enabled permissions?
08:39<jm_>DrSampler: sure, but you may need the libs, some are available, some not
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08:39<lexi>ira: I had no idea what a umask was.. and that never occured to me
08:40<DrSampler>i test it, program run flawlessly, without need to install any additional 32bit libs
08:40<DrSampler>thats good
08:40<jmm__>ira: depending if you it for just your user, then put umask xxx in ~/.bashrc,
08:40<lexi>ira: however this might work
08:40<SynrG>ira: see UMASK in /etc/login.defs
08:40<jmm__>or if for all users in /etc/profile.d .
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08:41<ira>SynrG: I've changed it in login.defs but I couldn't find how to do it in profile.d
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08:42<lexi>why on earth are umasks subtracted
08:43<jmm__>ira: just see how others files in /etc/profile.d are made, then make your own with umask xxx into.
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08:43<SynrG>ira: dunno. i'm just going by the comment in /etc/profile that says pam_umask handles it now via the value in /etc/login.defs
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08:44<ira>SynrG: that's right I've changed it in login.defs to 0027, rebooted but no luck
08:44<lexi>that should mean it masks to 750 yes?
08:44<lexi>why can't you just write 750... that would be so much simpler...
08:45<SynrG>lexi: um? because a mask is a *mask*?
08:45<lexi>SynrG: and a tautology is a tautology
08:45<SynrG>this is a historical unix concept. your quibble is with the designers of Unix, not Debian :)
08:46<lexi>how does it help that it's 0027 rather than 750
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08:47<SynrG>yes. inquiring minds want to know :)
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08:47<SynrG>0027 is more restrictive, not less
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08:48<ira>SynrG: in order to have enabled write permissions for group users shall I use 0002 or 0027?
08:48<lexi>I'm confused though, I mean if you were able to specify permissions as read+write+execute and then the umask was applied to what you specified that you make sense
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08:48<lexi>but it seems to be applied to 777 each time
08:49<lexi>so why have a mask at all
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08:49<Zathras>hi. After upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze I no longer can use SSL in IceApe. Other browsers (ff, chrome) work fine. How can I fix this please?
08:49<jmm__>mask will allow differents users from differents groups to have differents access to a file with the same permissions. for example.
08:50<SynrG>ira: 0027 means you've masked off read, write and execute bits for "other", and masked off the write bit for "group":
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08:50<SynrG>so 0002 is correct if you don't want to mask any bits for group
08:50<SynrG>leaving "other" at the default (mask off write bit)
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08:52<SynrG>lexi: if you explicitly specify permissions (e.g. chmod) then umask is not applied. umask affects the *default* permissions (i.e. where none are specified)
08:53<lexi>yes I know
08:53<lexi>however why isn't there a DefaultPerms
08:53<ira>I'll try again and let you know then....
08:53<lexi>rather than a umask
08:53<SynrG>because umask is subtractive
08:54<SynrG>mkdir would by default create a dir with different bits than touch would
08:54<lexi>I know that it is subtractive, however I'm trying to find out why it is
08:54<SynrG>only a mask is appropriate for saying what bits are *not* set by default
08:54<SynrG>it doesn't work the other way around
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08:55<SynrG>just think about it for a few minutes :)
08:55<lexi>ok that makes sense
08:55<lexi>so a program could say
08:56<lexi>wait.. no
08:56<lexi>only if the default would be 777
08:56<SynrG>(and again we've veered OT ... from debian support to basic unix/shell 101 :)
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08:56<lexi>ok I'll read wikipedia
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08:57<lexi>so basically it restricts programs from giving permissions
08:58<SynrG>-> #debian-offtopic :)
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09:07<sret>ok sweet works
09:07<sret>jmm__: thanks
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09:09<jmm__>sret: np ( really, I'm not jm_ ).
09:09<Zathras>nm. fixed it
09:09<sret>oh ok
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09:12<thewanderer>hi. any clue why `ps -Af` (and `ps aux`) display the names of some users, but skip the names of others, like I get "root" and "1000" in the UID field?
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09:13<weasel>because some names are longer than 8 characters and others aren't
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09:14<thewanderer>can I make it always display the username?
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09:26<onur_>Hi. I have a question. I have a cron job. It is running in ~30mins. But in this time I have another jobs. Is this 30min job make a problem for another jobs? Can cron run jobs simultaneously or is it wait previous job to run another? (sorry for my english)
09:27<petemc>assuming the programs themselves dont conflict, cron should have no problem
09:28<onur_>yes they dont have any conflict
09:28<onur_>ok thanks
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09:31<lexi>onur_: you can also run renice to reduce the amount of cpu resources the cron gets
09:32<lexi>or run nice in the first place..
09:32<lexi>I think you write it as nice <your command>
09:33<onur_>actually my command doesn't use alot of cpu it's just sleeping for adsl link
09:34<onur_>thanks to my crappy isp my link is becoming ready in 30mins
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09:42<dpkg>Put "deb squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>.
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09:47<Zathras>after upgrading from Lenny->Squeeze I have tmp issues: overflow 1.0M 1008K 16K 99% /tmp
09:47<Zathras>1m is a bit .... tight
09:47<Zathras>any advice please?
09:47<thewanderer>hm... you've run out of disk space?
09:48<Zathras>no. there is diskspace
09:48<Zathras>there is also no mounting of /tmp
09:48<Zathras>so I guess it is in RAM ?
09:48<thewanderer>overflow usually means there is no space left somewhere
09:48<Zathras>tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0
09:49<Zathras>tmpfs /lib/init/rw tmpfs rw,nosuid,mode=0755 0 0
09:49<Zathras>are both in /etc/mtab
09:49<thewanderer>do you have mtab symlinked to /proc/mounts?
09:50<Zathras>yes. And with 1m in size I am not surprised. However I have no idea why /tmp became so small after the upgrade nor I have an idea where it is mounted/using diskspace
09:50<Zathras>huh? /etc/mtab is a textfile normally
09:50<thewanderer>yes, or a symlink
09:50<Zathras>it's a file
09:51<Zathras>(in this case)
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09:51<thewanderer>overflow seems to be a tmpfs, yes
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09:51<Eleth>Hi guys, I'm looking for a 64bit LENNY live cd. Anyone know where I can find one? Mirrors only seem to have Squeeze
09:52<thewanderer>have you checked with `df -h` if you're not short of space on any of your filesystems?
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09:52<Zathras>cat /proc/mounts reviles: overflow /tmp tmpfs rw,relatime,size=1024k 0 0
09:52<thewanderer>Zathras: you can try to umount this if you don't need it
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09:53<Zathras>uhm... Well, /tmp is used by all kinds of stuff so one always needs a /tmp somehow
09:54<Zathras>some of my disks are filling up up to 97% but these are datadisks. Still 1.2G free or something
09:54<Zathras>not root
09:54<Eleth>Thank you very much gsimmons :)
09:54<Zathras>root: 32G 29G 1.9G 94% /
09:55<Zathras>other disks have over 1 G free too. And I already adjusted the threshold for these to 0
09:55<thewanderer>Zathras: yes, but it's only an overlay filesystem... try umounting this anyway
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09:57<Zathras>what should I do/try after I have unmounted?
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09:58<thewanderer>umm... it should be working as usual
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10:00<Zathras>gnome, chrome, samba, gdm, gnash, apache, iceape, terminals and a couple of others have open files on it
10:00<Zathras>as expected: umount: /tmp: device is busy.
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10:01<thewanderer>so close them all and umount then
10:01<thewanderer>runlevel 1 might be appropriate for it
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10:02<Zathras>yes, but then what? No more X, no more services like apache etc? ---> it is not clear to me how a single time unmounting can resolve this issue permanently as no change to the config is made?
10:02<lexi>hmm something I've googled but.. google isn't good at answering these sort of questions
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10:03<lexi>I want to set up a skype like thing
10:03<lexi>only using FOSS
10:03<lexi>multiplatform etc
10:03<Zathras>a softphone?
10:03*lexi googles softphone
10:04<Zathras>ekiga for instance
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10:05<lexi>hmm interesting.. ok so in order to use something like that
10:05<Zathras>thewanderer, can you please elaborate?
10:05<lexi>do I have to set up a server?
10:05<Zathras>lexi, no, you have to connect to a VOIPserver
10:05<Zathras>assuming you have an account (like you can have a paid skype account)
10:05<Zathras>or you can look into asterisk
10:06<Zathras>that is a full blown server but I think you will still need a phone number
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10:06<Zathras>alternatively if you just want to chat checkout jabber or miranda or something in these lines (IM)
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10:07<Zathras>oh. and btw: irc is also available on all kinds of platforms. Even the same client: xchat ;-)
10:07<lexi>yeah I already use jabber
10:08<lexi>or kvirc, pidgin, et al
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10:14<MikeyB>Anyone use dvtm at all?
10:15<MikeyB>Looks like anice alternative to screen, but I can't figure out what the 'mod' key is in the debian build of it.
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10:17<MikeyB>I have tried to set it when running using 'dvtm -m ^w', but the doesn't seem to work.
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10:38<babilen>MikeyB: I don't know as I have never used it, but the mod key is typically either left alt or the "windows" key
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10:39<jet>Can any help with debhelper?
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10:40<f8l>jet: Just say what's the problem. ;-) You may also want to ask about debhelper in #debian-mentors.
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10:47<MikeyB>Cheers babilen
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10:47<aubrey616>Anyone in here using the driver ath9k w. Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) ?
10:48<aubrey616>I have some problems with connect and throughput.
10:48<aubrey616>i.e performance
10:48<MikeyB>It would be just my luck to be the windows key as I have a windows workstation and connect to a linux dev box, just because I have to develop for IE6 :(
10:48<dvs>aubrey616: yup
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10:49<aubrey616>dvs i have quite severe problems, have you experienced anything like that ?
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10:50<dvs>aubrey616: I compiled the myself and I'm having close to zero problems now.
10:50<aubrey616>dvs, Ok, i can download kernel source and install it myelf without breaking anything on my Squeeze system ?
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10:51<aubrey616>dvs, not that used to debian, (sorry)
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10:51<dvs>aubrey616: It's running on my squeeze laptop fine.
10:51<aubrey616>dvs, great news, thanks for help !
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10:52<aubrey616>dvs, ever found firmware or prop. drivers on the net for that card ?
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10:53<dvs>aubrey616: That chipset does not need firmware.
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10:53<aubrey616>dvs, aha
10:53<aubrey616>thats good news too
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10:54<aubrey616>lsmod says ath9k ath9k_hw though
10:54<aubrey616>thought hw was hardware
10:55<dvs>that's hardware, not firmware
10:55<aubrey616>err, lol
10:55<aubrey616>i am tired :)
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10:56<aubrey616>ok, getting kernel source now.
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10:56<aubrey616>any smart debian tricks to compile using old config ?
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10:57<dvs>cp /boot/config-2.6.32-5 .config
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10:57<aubrey616>ok, using the 2.6.36-2.dmz.5-liquorix-amd64 now
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10:57<jhutchins_lt>aubrey616: That's not debian.
10:57<aubrey616>and its there in /boot ahh great
10:57<dpkg>Zen is :)(:, or a school of Mahayana Buddhism, or the Zen kernel: a variant of the Linux kernel optimized for desktop systems, including code not present in mainline. Liquorix kernel image packages ( are Zen-based and are not supported in #debian. . Not to be confused with <Xen>.
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10:58<aubrey616>jhujhiti, yeah, i nerded some there
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10:58<aubrey616>i "think" my pc is faster now
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10:59<jhutchins_lt>aubrey616: It's possible the problem is at the host layer as well.
11:00<aubrey616>jhutchins, nah, its a brand new 11n wireless router, its good for every other system in the house
11:00<aubrey616>but of course, perhaps i can tweak it some
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11:12<sret>how do i check for lag?
11:12<sret>using dig
11:13<petemc>dig is a tool for querying dns
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11:13<petemc>smokeping can measure latency over a period
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11:15<sret>sorry not dig, there was another way to check for it
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11:16<sret>i didnt have to install anything, just had to do it from the temrinal, forgot the command
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11:18<sret>ok works alright, thanks anyhow
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11:19<thewanderer>maybe ping :P
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11:20<unixabg>Greetings, I have a debconf question if postrm for case remove, but I want to skip that prompt when calling purge. How do I test on remove case if purge was actually called?
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11:21<unixabg>Since it appears that remove is called when purge is requested.
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11:26<sney>jj: it's /server
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11:27<sret>yeah traceroute:D
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11:32<sret>are there any new security updates?
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11:55<andreiberceanu>hi guys, i have recently installed debian squezze and i see that the swap partition is not working..
11:55<andreiberceanu>if i type free i get swap: 0 0 0
11:57<andreiberceanu>how can i activate it?
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11:58<SynrG>andreiberceanu: you created a swap partition during the install?
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11:59<andreiberceanu>yes, sure. i mean, there was one already left over from ubuntu, but i did mount it as swap, yes
11:59<jhutchins_lt>andreiberceanu: See what top says (or iostats).
12:00<SynrG>andreiberceanu: grep swap /etc/fstab to verify it knows about it
12:01<andreiberceanu># swap was on /dev/sda5 during installation
12:01<andreiberceanu>UUID=20032b99-a03b-42dc-a6ca-fceca537f1cf none swap sw
12:01<andreiberceanu>thats from /etc/fstab
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12:01<SynrG>ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
12:02<SynrG>does that point to where you think swap is?
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12:02<SynrG>'swapon -a' (normally run at boot time) should enable all swap correclty defined in /etc/fstab
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12:03<andreiberceanu>swapon -a: swapon: cannot find the device for UUID=..
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12:04<SynrG>right. hence my tip for you to check /dev/disk/by-uuid
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12:04<SynrG>did you reformat this device? maybe the uuid changed?
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12:04<andreiberceanu>well the UUID for /dev/sda seems to be different
12:05<SynrG>it's not sda we're interested in, but sda5, right?
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12:05<andreiberceanu>i mean sda5 sorry
12:05<SynrG>update /etc/fstab with the correct UUID
12:05<SynrG>then do swapon -a again
12:06<SynrG>what made it change, i wonder?
12:06<SynrG>do you recall explicitly making a change?
12:06<andreiberceanu>no idea, i dont recall changing it
12:06<andreiberceanu>i dont even know how to!
12:06<SynrG>i'm not sure how sharing swap between OSes plays out. i've never done it before.
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12:07<SynrG>well, normally swap would be formatted with 'mkswap'. that's a detail that the installer would take care of for you
12:08<kop>SynrG: There's several factors. Linux requires swap be initialized, so as to be marked. If another OS has a different marking then they won't share without re-initialzation.
12:08<cahoot>could even share swap with win AFAIK
12:08<andreiberceanu>i did mark it for reformatting during install tho
12:08<SynrG>kop: so this would lead to an unstable UUID?
12:08<andreiberceanu>and its not shared, i wiped out ubuntu when installing debian
12:08<andreiberceanu>anyway, this seems to work now, thanks a lot!
12:08<kop>SynrG: The other factor is some sort of suspend-to-disk related something, where swap is used to store machine state for speedy reboot.
12:08<SynrG>if it's not shared, i don't see that it would be a problem, then.
12:09<SynrG>kop: would that make UUID unstable?
12:09<jhutchins_lt>linux swap is linux swap, distro doesn't matter
12:09<kop>SynrG: Uuids could be a factor -- but you could always script something to re-initialize with the same uuid (although that sorta defeats the point of uuids.)
12:09<SynrG>well, unsolved mystery ...
12:10<kop>SynrG: In other words, nothing really wrong with sharing swap but you may have to think about it depending on which OSs are involved.
12:10<kop>(Likewise for, e.g., /tmp.)
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12:12<andreiberceanu>ok so i really dont get how this came about
12:12<andreiberceanu>it would help if i wouldve checked swap immediatly after installing debian, but i didnt
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12:13<andreiberceanu>i only noticed it today, when one of my scripts got slaughtered by the kernel for running out of memory
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12:14<kop>andreiberceanu: You can always swap out of a file if you can't re-partition. (Lvm is _so_ handy. I'm migrating about 10 partitions from one hd to another right now.)
12:15<andreiberceanu>kop: yeah, sure, but it seems that (at least for now) changing the UUID in fstab did the trick
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12:15<andreiberceanu>if it stays constant after reboot the it should work long-term also
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12:17<jhutchins_lt>UUID should be assigned at config/format time, not on reboot.
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12:19<andreiberceanu>jhutchins_lt: no prob then
12:19<andreiberceanu>tnx again guys
12:19<dpkg>The <Realtek> RTL-8139 10/100 PCI NIC uses either the 8139too or 8139cp (RTL-8139C+ series) drivers for device support in Linux, *not* ne2k-pci. See also <rtl81x9.c>.
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12:46<dominick>chetan isn't here.
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12:47<Suraj>wat now? ra
12:47<satish_>we ll tell him wait...
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12:47<satish_>call up chetan and tell him to quit the channel...
12:47<cirvin>i have an ATi mobile hd video chip, identifies as AMD RS780 that for some reason doesnt want to display any 3d accelerated graphics. running glxgears, the program seems to work fine, it reports framerates and the unit seems to heat up, the window where the gears are supposed to be even shows up, but no gears can be seen. i have the default radeon driver running, and it used to work, any ideas on how to get 3d rendering to properly sh
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12:48<satish_>just wait for a sec dominick...
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12:49<retrospectacus>did it just get stupider in here?
12:49<dominick>retrospectacus, lol!
12:49<sret>retrospectacus: you're working on your way up
12:49<a1234567890>odfcit223 desk221iiia2313dikcia113-3#<-
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12:52<retrospectacus>!tell cirvin -about radeon
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12:52<retrospectacus>he left
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12:53<chethan_>where s he
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12:53<Suraj>hes back i gues
12:53<chethan_>so wat next
12:53*dominick looks around the room in confusion!
12:53<jhutchins_lt>Did someone have a debian support question?
12:54<satish>k so its done...
12:54<satish>i just closed my window..
12:54<retrospectacus>yeah please chat aimlessly elsewhere
12:54<dominick>okay, you can join #acharya now.
12:54<chethan_>quit this
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12:55<themill>dominick, chethan_, Suraj, satish: perhaps you wanted #moocows or your own private channel.
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12:55<retrospectacus>dominick is cool
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12:59<cirvin>jhutchins_lt: i did, im attempting to reinstall the mesa dri package
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13:03<cirvin>reinstalling the mesa dri package fixed the problem, thank you!
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13:03<cirvin>now my battery is dead -.-
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13:07<jhutchins_lt>so it goes...
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13:47<fgh>why would i want to use the bsd kernel with debian?
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13:50<perryors>Hi, is there a help channel?
13:50<amphi>it is here
13:51<perryors>Its a pretty newb question but
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13:51<perryors>Iam trying to install debian in a box with win7 and ubuntu already installed
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13:51<perryors>and want the debian install to be encrypted
13:51<perryors>Can anyone help me to do it'
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13:52<perryors>googled it and saw nuffing
13:53<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>.
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14:01<s4br3>Hi, when I tried to update Debian Sid with aptitude safe-upgrade I got: "open: 457; closed: 607; defer: 150; conflict: 79" which seems related to the Debian 6.0 release. Do I need to wait it out or can I upgrade parts of it?
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14:05<danilo>is ooorg buggy in squeeze? it crashes at least one time a day :(
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14:06<costas>hello all
14:06<bartm>danilo, can you reproduce the crash repeatedly? then it might be worth submitting a bug report
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14:07<danilo>bartm, no. it's random
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14:09<fgh>is there any easy way to startup a debian install from a running debian system? i have not cd-reader and im pretty sure lan and usb-boot isnt supported by BIOS
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14:10<bartm>fgh, usb stick maybe?
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14:11<fgh>bartm: cant boot usb-sticks
14:12<bartm>fgh, there's a way to start the installer from hard disk
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14:18<danilo>a good screenrecorder?
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14:19<ompaul>danilo: istanbul
14:20<danilo>ompaul, thanks!
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14:21<ompaul>danilo: your welcome
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14:25<R33D3M33R>hello, can somebody advise me on this: i wan't to install a *.deb package with dpkg -i name.deb, but it doesn't download and install the dependencies itself. What must i use to be able to install the package name.deb with all depends?
14:25<bartm>R33D3M33R, where do you want to download that .deb from ? Maybe the download site supports apt-get
14:26<R33D3M33R>i download it from google-code
14:26<ompaul>R33D3M33R: why doesn't it, is it that the package is not supported by debian?
14:26<petemc>R33D3M33R: if you run aptitude -f install after dpkg -i , it should try to get the deps
14:27<R33D3M33R>it works, but is there a better way?
14:27<valdyn>R33D3M33R: better? whats wrong with that way?
14:27<R33D3M33R>i'm not sure how gdebi does this
14:27<R33D3M33R>i don't know, it might also do something i don't want :)
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14:28<R33D3M33R>oh, ok, i see i can automate it with the -y switch
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14:29<ompaul>R33D3M33R: if you take something from outside of debian and you are wondering what it is doing then perhaps you need to break the package down and read the install and post scripts and work out what goes one - using automatic when you are nervous about the ability of the code to run indicates you should not have root :-)
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14:30<R33D3M33R>don't worry, i'm yet testing it in virtualbox, what could possibly go wrong? :D
14:31<ompaul>the real world exists outside of virtual box
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14:33<R33D3M33R>yeah, i know, everything works fine in VB, but on real machine at least something will go wrong -> already experienced this, a foolproof autoinstall gone very wrong :)
14:34<ompaul>you know what they say about fool proof?
14:34<ompaul>make it fool proof and they will make a better fool
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14:34<MeglaW>its #OT but, STS-133 is launching in 2hours, last time discovery launches.
14:34<ompaul>woops I am ot for here too - wrong channel
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14:38<R33D3M33R>ok, thanks for the solution, bye all
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14:49<smaster>Не знаю английского. Кто-нить может помочь на русском?
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14:50<bartm>smaster, english please
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14:50<smaster>I'm russian
14:50<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
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14:51<tedp11>how do I find out my exact driver for sound? then how can I save the driver in my usb so I can use it later?
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14:52<cahoot>tedp11: usually the 'driver' aka module comes with the kernel
14:53<cahoot>tedp11: cat /proc/aspund/modules to see which
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14:54<tedp11>cannot access /proc/aspund/modules: No such file or directory
14:55<cahoot>tedp11: cat /proc/asound/modules
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14:55<tedp11>result: /proc/aspund/modules
14:55<tedp11>result: 0 snd_hda_intel
14:56<P4C0>hello, is there any place where I can get the net install of debian etch? (I know it is really old...)
14:56<cahoot>ther's you 'driver'
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14:57<tedp11>file /proc/aspund/modules is 0 size.
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14:59<cahoot>tedp11: aspund was an unfortunate typo for asound as indicated above
15:01<tedp11>ok. the result is 0 snd_hda_intel. now how do i try to save it to my usb so i can install in another system?
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15:01<retrospectacus>!tell P4C0 -about etch iso
15:02<retrospectacus>!confuse wwspider
15:02<dpkg>No, them was my badger today, wwspider? Pants of the Monarchy of Mongolia with extra cream.
15:02<FreeSense>Hey all, on Squeeze I would like to have my first X window to run on the 3rd (ALT+F3) console instead the default 7th (ALT+F7). I remember Lenny expert install allowed this to configure. How can I do it in squeeze?
15:02<P4C0>retrospectacus: thanks!
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15:03<kop>!tell P4C0 about
15:03<kop>P4C0: Why?
15:03<wissem>!dpkg update
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15:04<cahoot>tedp11: that module comes with the kernel (at least debian kernels)
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15:05<cahoot>tedp11: there's no need 'moving' it to another system
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15:07<P4C0>kop: ?
15:07<P4C0>kop: thanks :)
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15:08<tedp11>in windows all i had to do is copy the driver files and install it in another windows unit. in linux i have to make sure the kernel is correct? so i would have to compile into another kernel?
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15:10<cahoot>tedp11: since you hardl can use the system without a kernel the problem is a moot point
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15:12<tedp11>well the thing is the next kernel which is newer version does not work with my existing internal sound card because i hear no sound on it.
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15:12<XayOn>tedp11: You're making assumptions out of nowhere.
15:12<cahoot>tedp11: why do you think that's caused by the module?
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15:13<tedp11>i'm not sure. if i goto a utube site i should here audio there.
15:13<tedp11>like i did in previous kernel
15:13<tedp11>i didn't have to manually do any settings
15:14<XayOn>"the next kernel (...) does not work with my existing internal sound card" "because I hear no sound on it"... First of all, I doubt it's a module-related stuff. Second, youtube is not a good source to test it. Have in account that youtube uses flash, wich may be the cause. Also, have you unmuted everything?
15:14<cahoot>tedp11: are you running the sound deprived kernel atm?
15:14<tedp11>i'm running the good sound unit atm
15:15<tedp11>it's working perfect
15:15<cahoot>well that's fine but won't help troubleshooting
15:15<tedp11>now if upgrade to a newer system/kernel i don't get the sound
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15:16<cahoot>tedp11: is this even a debian system?
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15:17<tedp11>XayOnn: the newer kernel i installed flash just like i did in this kernel. i see video but no sound there.
15:17<ompaul>tedp11: paste the output of "uname -a" here please
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15:18<tedp11>iLinux bt #1 SMP Tue Dec 1 21:51:08 EST 2009 i686 GNU/Linux. it's debian because i can install a .deb package by running "dpkg -i"
15:19<cahoot>so go there
15:19<dpkg>methinks bt is Bhutan, or <bluetooth>, or British Telecom, or <bittorrent>, or <BackTrack>.
15:19<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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15:20<tedp11><based on debian>
15:21<tedp11>how do i ask <based on debian>
15:21<ompaul>tedp11: you may msg the bot with /msg dpkg <no braces on outsides?
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15:21<cahoot>!tel tedp11 about based on debian
15:21<cahoot>!tell tedp11 about based on debian
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15:24<daniel_>hey, anyone german here for help ?
15:24<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
15:24<tedp11>i don't know why its not debian when i can install .deb package. It has Konqueror and stuff
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15:27<tedp11>is there a general linux irc I can join to ask my question? No one is there on #backtrack-linux
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15:28<petemc>tedp11: ##linux on freenode
15:28<tedp11>ok thanks
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15:55<fgh>on a default debian desktop gnome install is it gnome-core or gnome-desktop-environment installed?
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15:56<`oC|msdy>isnt it going to install core as a depdendancy?
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16:06<ballison>I'm trying to log into a box via SINGLE USER MODE by appending the word "Single" to the kernel line in grub
16:06<ballison>i did that and it still loaded up networking and then prompted me for a password... so it didnt' work
16:06<ballison>do you have to do something special to make debian boot single user mode?
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16:08<retrospectacus>isn't there a "recovery mode" option in grub ballison
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16:09<Gathond>single user mode in debian DOES ask for the root password
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16:09<Gathond>if you want to avoid that set init=/bin/bash
16:09<Gathond>that will drop you directly into a bash shell
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16:10<ompaul>thats a bug ;-)
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16:18<ballison>Gathond: I did init=/bin/bash and got a shell BUT / is mounted read only
16:18<ballison>i need to reIP this box remotely (without giving out the root password)
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16:19<ompaul>ballison: you can't try "mount -a"
16:19<Tiff>mount -orw,remount /
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16:22<Tiff>(err or not passwd if that's not what you're doing actually. :P)
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16:28<ballison>Thanks Tiff
16:28<ballison>I just found a webpage saying to either remount / or the /dev/sda
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16:29<Gathond>ballison: then remount it ro
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16:29<Gathond>sorry rw
16:30<ballison>well i want to remount it rw, make my change and then reboot
16:30<ballison>there was no "recovery mode" option
16:30<ballison>and appending "Single" did not work, and appending "single" did not work.
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16:31<ballison>so what's the _correct_ way to boot single user mode in debian (next I would try appending 1 )
16:31<ballison>i'm appending these to the kernel line in grub.
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16:33<Gathond>ballison: it is appending single
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16:33<Gathond>however debian still asks for a password
16:34<ballison>Gathond : when I appended single it tried to run all the networking init scripts (ntp... iptables...)
16:34<Gathond>which is what the bin/bash thing goes around
16:34<ompaul>ballison: looks like someone locked the box down for you to have a hard time trying what you are doing if the init=/bin/bash does not work I guess is not going to help in which case you might like to use a live cd
16:34<Gathond>however that does not actually run init, so you have to manually remount / rw and mount any other drives
16:34<ballison>ompaul : init=/bin/bash worked.
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16:35<ompaul>ballison: then try "mount -a" or one of the other mount commands
16:35<ompaul>one step at a time ;-)
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16:35<denisesball>i'm trying to move a custom kerneled sarge box to a new machine with a stock kernel, but i'm failing during my initrd creation. i think hda switches to sda?
16:36<ballison>ompaul: yeah - it's just different from what i'm used to. I'm from the redhat world. In redhat you can append '1' or 'single' to the kernel line and it boots single user mode (no password) and it mounts / rw so you can fix the password
16:36<Tiff>ballison: i gave the appropriate command to remount / as read/write after running init=/bin/bash 10 minutes ago.
16:37<ballison>was trying to find if debian has the same mode. but looks like it doesn't. you have to 1- either know the root password or 2- init=/bin/bash and then remount the partitions manually.
16:37<ballison>Tiff: yes and I said thanks. :)
16:38<Gathond>ballison: it does not, debians single user mode still asks for a password
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16:50<bighornram>what do I have to change in exim config so my messages will be accepted by all mail servers? I sometimes get error because i am user@machinename without my domain listed. Will changing my System mail name from the "machine name" to fix this?
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16:51<petemc>bighornram: whats the output of hostname -f ?
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16:53<lexi>so apparently putty is available for debian
16:53<petemc>you'll probably want to fix that, then check the output of exim -bP qualify_domain
16:53<lexi>anyone use other ssh clients and find them better?
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16:53<petemc>lexi: has been for years
16:53<bighornram>petemc: DIMENSION is what is in the FQDN box when I run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
16:53<lexi>I installed debian yesterday for the first time
16:54<petemc>bighornram: thats not a fqdm
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16:55<bighornram>petemc: I know, if I change it to with this solve the problem. I don't want to receive mail from with this machine, only send
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16:55<bighornram>petemc: I'm following
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16:56<petemc>bighornram: you dont appear to have followed it too closely, if you had edited /etc/hosts as they suggest you would have a valid fqdn
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16:57<EmleyMoor>What does network-manager need in order to be able to manage DUN over bluetooth?
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16:57<Mixcy>Newbie here: Have some old machines that I plan to donate to a school
16:57<petemc>bighornram: ideally whatever you would use would match the reverse dns of your ip as well
16:57<Mixcy>1GHz celeron, 256 MB Ram
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16:58<Mixcy>Can someone recommend a suitable distro for this config ...
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16:58<Mixcy>the machines will mostly beused for browsing
16:58<bighornram>petemc: So register this machine in the hosts file as described in that howto. will this affect how this machine routes?
16:58<bighornram>other than sending the emails?
16:59<petemc>bighornram: it will affect how exim announces itself to other mailservers and how it qualifies emails you send
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16:59<bighornram>I didn't change that as i thought it would affect the machine on my local network
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16:59<petemc>Mixcy: debian woudl work, as would ubuntu tho more ram would be better, browsing can be memory hungry
17:00<bighornram>petemc: so then change DIMENSION to in the fqdn line and add the /etc/hosts edit?
17:00<bighornram>thank you.
17:01<Mixcy>@peternc: RAM is the issue here ... since the systems are old, it is quite difficullt to find any in the market
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17:01<Mixcy>that is why i thought of linux ...
17:02<Mixcy>sad that most of the new distros are such memory hogs!
17:02<petemc>you can use something like xfce which uses less resources than gnome
17:02<dvs>Mixcy: it's not the distros, it's the browsers and content.
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17:04<Mixcy>@dvs: the minimum hardware requirement of ubuntu / fedora etc seem to be on the 'high' side
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17:16<jhutchins_lt>Today's web is pretty hardware intensive.
17:16<bighornram>petemc: thanks that solved it. :)
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17:17<lexi>is there anything on debian/gnome that does that OSX/Windows thing where you bring up a text box and type the first few letters of an application
17:17<lexi>and it finds it for you
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17:18<jhutchins_lt>lexi: Try alt-f2
17:18<lexi>great thanks
17:18<lexi>lol I typed in firefox and it gave me ice weasel perfect
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17:46<kindastuck>Hello everyone. I am setting up a file server, I have been testing the speed of the network and I am only getting about 400Mb inbound, and get about 720Mb outbound. Does anybody know how to speed up inbound traffic?
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17:57<lexi>having a problem where I can't secure delete a file cause it has hard links
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17:59<lexi>thanks ao2
18:00<lexi>hmm that is the page I was looking at earlier
18:00<ao2>lexi, first result on google for "find hard links of a file" BTW
18:00<lexi>yeah I know I was looking at that
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18:01<lexi>but it didn't work cause I typed in the command wrong
18:01*lexi facepalm
18:02<lexi>nope it apparently has sym links
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18:02<lexi>*hard links
18:03<lexi>it can't find them
18:03<lexi>even when I type the command correctly
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18:16<dyens>hi all
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19:08<SynrG>!ops user gohan4748 has done nothing but paste links and other garbage into the channel for days. he was requested to stop and has not.
19:08<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: synrg complains about: user gohan4748 has done nothing but paste links and other garbage into the channel for days. he was requested to stop and has not.
19:09<hoffmann>Hi I need to reorder the ethX device names based on the mac address on lenny. does lenny still use /etc/iftab or do I have to use udev?
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19:10<themill>gohan4748: perhaps you wanted #ubuntu on for your ubuntu questions
19:11<themill>SynrG: thanks.
19:12<retrospectacus>that guy still 'tarding it up? I /ignored him a while ago
19:12<soloflyer>hoffmann: edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
19:13<kindastuck>Hello everyone. I am setting up a file server, I have been testing the speed of the network and I am only getting about 400Mb inbound, and get about 720Mb outbound. Does anybody know how to speed up inbound traffic??
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19:14<soloflyer>kindastuck: pci card?
19:14<kindastuck>sorry, it actually is built into the mobo.. HP server. Intel network card
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19:15<soloflyer>kindastuck: most of the problems ive had with network performance seem to come down to a saturated bus
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19:18<soloflyer>kindastuck: although you wouldnt expect too many problems with an onboard device in a server class system
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19:18<hoffmann>soloflyer: ok it has my 4 network cards, will the edits stay persistent or is ther some script generating this rules?
19:18<kindastuck>soloflyer: would different chipsets cause any issues?
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19:19<soloflyer>hoffmann: new cards etc will be add by a script but it wont mess with whats already there
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19:19<hoffmann>soloflyer: thank you!
19:21<soloflyer>kindastuck: maybe what kind of bus is the internal card connected via?
19:21<kindastuck>I think i remember seeing something the bios with PCI when playing around with network settings
19:22<soloflyer>kindastuck: a single gigabit card will easily saturate a PCI bus
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19:23<kindastuck>soloflyer: looking for specs now
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19:27<kindastuck>soloflyer: will try with a PCIX adapter i have laying around, only problem is that it's half height and server needs a full heigh card..
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20:42<ghostbar>anyone using urxvt on sid? I don't see the console-cursor now
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20:47<lexi>trying to configure openvpn
20:47<lexi>using kvpnc and getting "Got no greeting within 3 seconds"
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20:48<lexi>error: OpenvpnManagementHandler: Got no greeting within 3 seconds from management interface, retrying.[openvpn] Fri Feb 25 01:46:59 2011 WARNING: No server certificate verification method has been enabled. See for more info.[openvpn] Fri Feb 25 01:46:59 2011 NOTE: the current --script-security setting may allow this configuration to call user-defined scripts[openvpn]
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20:51<lexi>on the server side I'm getting TLS Error: TLS handshake failed
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22:28<lexi>ok I have gotten my openvpn client to connect
22:28<lexi>but the part I'm stuck on
22:28<lexi>is the redirect traffic
22:29<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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22:30<lexi>ok, sorry, so the problem is that my client is not able to resolve any domains...
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22:30<lexi>or connect to them, browse to their websites, so I'm thinking that the issue is that the DNS isn't set up, do I have to set up my own DNS server?
22:30<tharkun>lexi: fix your /etc/resolv.conf according to your vpn config
22:32<lexi>I don't understand what you mean by that
22:32<lexi>do you mean repoint the DNS in the vpn config to the DNS used in my resolv.conf?
22:32<tharkun>lexi: the other way around
22:33<lexi>but surely if the DNS for the vpn was working then everything else would be too
22:33<tharkun>Check it. Make a fact do not speculate on the subject
22:34<lexi>I don't understand what you are saying, so I'm asking questions in the hope that you will further clarify
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22:36<tharkun>lexi: I do not know the right answer because i am not in front of your computer. Explore the possibilities of your own conclusions.
22:37<tharkun>If you do not have access to any dns then you should fix it. And you know how to do that
22:38<tharkun>lexi: I am sure you know how to ping other machines inside the vpn and you have the correct route and all needed stuf going.
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22:44<lexi>and I can ping some things
22:44<lexi>the server I'm connected to
22:44<lexi>ok and it's not just dns cause I can't ping the IP address of google
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22:52<tharkun>missing routing tables route -n and check them
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23:01<lexi>yeah there is no dest
23:01<lexi>for the openvpn IP addresses... would just man route but, not sure what the interface name for openvpn is
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23:03<beastie>how is yall people doin?
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23:04<lexi>hmm no when I start up the openvpn-server then it adds the a route for the vpn ip addreses
23:04<lexi>I'm doing ok and yourself?
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23:08<lexi>getting an openvpn dns redirect as well, so the dns doesn't work and even if it did I wouldn't be able to route to the IP
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23:17*w3asel is away: Estoy en alguna parte del universo conocido, pero te garantizo que no esoy sentado frente a mi pc en este momento!!!!
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23:24<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
23:24<dpkg><jm_> twb: it's microsoft software <twb> Ha! <twb> AngryDrake: OK, step one is to unbuckle your belt, remove your trousers and bend over. A microsoft technician will be along shortly.
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23:53<dpkg><bobesponja> I'm running sid, not debian
23:53<dpkg><concac> hey people, how come my password root is concac1113 and if i type su and concac it will accept the root password
23:54<dpkg><sylarrr> why cant I change /proc/cmdline in busybox? <sylarrr> I have chmod it 777 <sylarrr> and when I write to it it doesn't save the changes
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