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00:12<doubledutch>!qotd0
00:12<dpkg>qotd80 is probably <streuner_> icebrain: qotd's arent helpful. <reisio> there's probably a qotd that says that
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00:16<IronWhat>hi, for some reason after i did `sudo apt-get install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5`
00:17<IronWhat>i wrote php5 and it said no program exist. Same thing for php4
00:17<IronWhat>when i looked at a php website i untar on my server, i get a blank page
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00:18<IronWhat>i have no idea how to start debugging this. It looks like php isnt installed and it appears it is to apt-get install
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00:18<IronWhat>i am using debian 6
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00:20<IronWhat>do i need php as well as php5?
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00:31<chealer>IronWhat: php5 is the current version of PHP
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00:47<taylorjonl>Anyone alive?
00:48<doubledutch>!ask
00:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
00:48<doubledutch>!anyone
00:48<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
00:49<taylorjonl>How do I get an unstable iso
00:50<gsimmons>taylorjonl: They are not produced: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#unstable-images
00:52<taylorjonl>Alright, thanks. I figured that was the answer because most my google results were from <2008, just wanted confirmation.
00:52<doubledutch>taylorjonl; They say that you shouldn't even download a testing ISO unless you're using it for testing purposes. The recommended way to do it is to download stable (Debian Squeeze 6.0) and then after installing, change your sources.list and dist-upgrade to testing or unstable.
00:54<taylorjonl>My main goal is to try testing out Samba4 which is only available in unstable, I tried adding the sid sources to my sources.list and just installing it but the apt-get failed
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00:56<taylorjonl>It complained of broken packages, I was hoping to confirm if I was doing something wrong.
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01:19<taylorjonl>Is there a way to get apt-get to give me for details on a failure? All I get is this: http://pastebin.com/FEur4ytk
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01:23<jm_>try apt-get install libdcerpc0
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01:24<taylorjonl>fails also, new dependency list but same "broken packages" error
01:24<taylorjonl>apt-get install live-build works
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01:24<loserbar>Hi everyone.
01:25<peterS>I generally solve such problems by running aptitude interactively. but you might also try aptitude's command line interface: 'aptitude install samba4'
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01:26<taylorjonl>looks like one package is missing, http://pastebin.com/rWdriDBy
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01:29<jm_>yeah I too use aptitude because it's better in such situations
01:30<taylorjonl>It seems to find a lot more information but still won't install it
01:30<taylorjonl>Seems my problem is the libldb0 package
01:30<taylorjonl>it can't be found
01:31<jm_>does it need a particular version?
01:32<taylorjonl>no, it seems that package doesn't exist
01:32<jm_>it does
01:32<taylorjonl>seems to be replaced by libldb1
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01:33<taylorjonl>E: Package 'libldb0' has no installation candidate
01:33<jm_>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libldb0&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
01:33<taylorjonl>So I guess in sid that this package is replaced by libldb1 but not all packages that rely on it were updated
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01:34<taylorjonl>I understand that the package exists but it isn't in the sid repository according to apt-get
01:34<jm_>right, in sid it's mixed
01:34<taylorjonl>what does that mean?
01:34<taylorjonl>sorta a newb
01:35<jm_>it exists only for some architectures - kinda weird that rmadison mentions them all, but p.d.o only a few - usually it's reverse
01:36<jm_>or not, it's clearly too early for me - rmadison agrees with the list too, oh well
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01:40<taylorjonl>So the samba4 package was built with a reference to the libldb0 package because of the arch it was built on?
01:41<jm_>well no, it's probably some transition going on
01:41<jm_>but some architecture lag behind with builds so that's why it still exists there
01:42<jm_>or there are build issues on them
01:42<taylorjonl>Is this something I should report?
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01:44<jm_>no, you should wait for a while
01:45<taylorjonl>Could it be that my mirror is in the middle of a sync?
01:46<taylorjonl>Maybe hit ftp.debian.org
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01:51<jm_>naah, samba4 package need updating if I interprete this correctly
01:52<taylorjonl>ya, looks like from the changelog samba4 was uploaded in 2009 and this lib was updated on 2/12/11
01:52<taylorjonl>* Add breaks/conflicts for libldb0.
01:52<jm_>so jus sit back, relax and wait
01:53<taylorjonl>well, been 12 days so not sure it is going to be for a while
01:53<taylorjonl>I just wanted to experiment with sid
01:53<taylorjonl>I guess I will just build my own samba4 from source
01:55<taylorjonl>looks like the next version of samba4 will be released in a few weeks so I will try out the .deb later but compiling from sources isn't too big a deal
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04:03<wierd0{}>has debian by chance received an updated kernel or can anyone verify whether a certain sound chipset is working ?
04:03<wierd0{}>its a CM8738
04:03<wierd0{}>i really want to use debian
04:05<jm_>8738 is old
04:05<DrSampler>it works
04:05<DrSampler>if you're mean c-media 8738
04:07<wierd0{}>i do mean c-media
04:07<wierd0{}>can i install gnome with dvd #1 ?
04:07<wierd0{}>of squeeze
04:08<wierd0{}>thank you
04:08<DrSampler>i think yes
04:08<jm_>does your mom allow you to do it?
04:08<DrSampler>but you need internet connection
04:08<wierd0{}>i've got that
04:08<DrSampler>i setup debian from a single CD #1, all the other stuff get downloaded from a debian FTP mirrors during install
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04:18<cmot>anybody can just tell me without looking up: find ... -print0 | while read ...; do ...
04:18<cmot>what game do I need to play here?
04:19<cmot>IFS=... or something?
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04:19*cmot hates people who use spaces in file names...
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04:21<jm_>cmot: can't you use xargs instead?
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04:21<cmot>Hmmm
04:22<cmot>what does xargs use to expand into the argument?
04:23<weasel>if you use -0 it works nicely with -print0
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04:23<cmot>ah
04:23<cmot>{}
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04:23<weasel>or you could use -exec to find
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04:24<cmot>yeah, xargs -0n 1works nicely, forgot for a moment...
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04:33<themill>cmot: if you're using find already, then "find ... -exec {} \;" or "find ... -exec {} +" usually supplant the need to use xargs.
04:34<cmot>themill: yes, since I'm using "-n 1" in this specific case. Usually I'll not use -n 1, so -exec would start tons of processes while xargs won't...
04:35<themill>cmot: the ; and + syntaxes for find's -exec are different
04:36<themill>(or rather, they have different meanings in the context of forking tons of processes)
04:36<cmot>ah
04:36<cmot>didn't know about +
04:36<themill>!using find
04:36<dpkg>somebody said using find was http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind or "man find"
04:37<themill>cmot: it's a recent-ish gnu extension. It's yet another reason why gnu userspace is nice to use and going back to some of my crappy irix boxes around here is very very painful indeed.
04:37<cmot>gnu stuff compiles on irix, doesn't it?
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04:39<themill>cmot: yeah, but I'd rather spend the time writing a grant application to get the money to replace these boxes entirely than continue to limp them along
04:39<cmot>:-)
04:39<dreamer>hi all, I'm trying to run a 32 bit program on a 64 bit system. I get error while loading shared libraries: libgobject-2.0.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64. so how can I also have the 32 bit version of this library?
04:40<cmot>dreamer: install ia32-libs-gtk
04:40<jm_>dreamer: install ia32-libs-gtk (on lenny anyway_
04:40<themill>dreamer: I can't see an ia32-* package with that in it for squeeze
04:40<jm_>yeah squeeze has this totally revampled, haven't upgraded yet
04:40<cmot>jm_: it's in squeeze/wheezy/sid as well
04:40<dreamer>hm
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04:40<cmot>(the ia32-libs-gtk package, I mean)
04:41<themill>,file lib32/libgobject-2.0.so* --arch amd64
04:41<planet8>At home I have set one pc up with squeeze as a multimedia station and has plugged in the TV set. Now, I can't get it to stop screen blanking. I have disabled and removed all screensavers and have disabled power savings from BIOS. Where do I put "xset" to work automatically? .xinitrc doesn't work.
04:41<judd>lib32/libgobject-2.0.so* in squeeze/amd64: ia32-libs-gtk: usr/lib32/libgobject-2.0.so.0, usr/lib32/libgobject-2.0.so.0.2400.2
04:41<themill>I lie... there it is
04:41*themill failed at using his own bot ;(
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04:41<dreamer>sweet, it worked :)
04:41<jm_>cmot: ahh ok, I know some other packages have changed for 32bit stuff
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04:45<cmot>themill: judds 'help' output is not all that useful. is there a list of what it can do?
04:45<themill>!judd
04:45<dpkg>judd is probably a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI-Id and kernel config information. To get a list of commands, "/msg judd list Judd" "/msg judd list Piccy" and for usage information, "/msg judd help commandname". See also <source judd> <judd-packages> <judd-hardware>.
04:46<cmot>ok. /msg judd help was the logical thing for me... oh well
04:46<themill>cmot: yeah, I might try overriding that default help some day...
04:46<cmot>cute
04:46<themill>cmot: I have some half-written docs for judd that I need to finish off and stick up on wiki.d.o or something
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04:47<k-man>in the daemontools-run package, what does the update-service command do? (i have read the man page and I still don't quite understand it)
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04:47<k-man>do i need to provide it a script to install that tells it how to run the program i want to monitor?
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04:49<dreamer>now to figure out how to get my library export to stick .. (the prog searches in the wrong path)
04:50<themill>cmot: the reason that doc isn't on wiki.d.o already is mainly that the moin syntax was too limited to format the example commands and output for me in an acceptable fashion. At that point the effort stalled.
04:54*cmot is still looking for decent wiki with restructured text syntax
04:54<cmot>haven't looked very hard yet, perhaps there is one
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04:54<cmot>preferably based or similar to what python sphinx does for stuff that like toc and links between pages
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05:27<IronWhat>!popcon
05:27<dpkg>rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package
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05:27<Magic>would anyone believe me if i said i needed to input each step of solving 5^(2+t) = e^(2t) into the debian installer in order for it to continue?
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05:31<weasel>probably
05:32<Magic>anyone in this irc currently*
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05:36<babilen>Magic: Those are random user checks. Captchas didn't cut it anymore, so we had to go for something a bit more involved.
05:37<weasel>one of the questions is "prove or disprove P!=NP"?
05:37<cmot>weasel: crowdsourcing math research now?
05:38<Magic>babilen: it seems as if you would be in a position to help me with this then... would you mind writing the steps out here, seeing as you may have helped implement this 'revolutionary' system?
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05:38<Magic>(ps, why does an installer need captcha)
05:39<weasel>(pps, what are you smoking and where do I get some of it?)
05:40<Magic>(p^3+s) pseudoephedrine
05:41<Magic>i really do need help with this, if anyone would mind helping me i would appreciate it. it seems that OT doesnt bother anybody.
05:42<weasel>Magic: probably the answer to your question is "no". nobody does believe you when you say you need to answer this for installing debian.
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05:45<Magic>weasel: why you paranoid psychotic raving mad schizophrenic loony hebephrenic; you're the one who implemented it are you not?
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05:48<cmot>hebephrenic ??? whazzat?
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05:49<cmot>wow. nice word
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05:56<Magic>cmot; will you or will you not help me install debian
05:57<babilen>Magic: Do you actually have a Debian related question?
05:57<Magic>babilen: i just wanted math help, and thought it was a clever way of asking a OT question. I'll leave.
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05:58<babilen>Magic: There is #math on freenode. You question is off-topic in here ...
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05:58<babilen>*shrug*
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06:44<k-man>how do you remove a an item frm rc.d if you are using dependency based boot sequencing?
06:45<babilen>k-man: insserv -r, rcconf, update-rc.d, sysv-rc-conf, ...
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06:48<k-man>thanks babilen
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06:56<k-man>i'm trying to get daemon tools to monitor myth-backend
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06:56<k-man>svinfo reports that the service is up, but mythbackend is not running
06:56<k-man>any idea how i can diagnose?
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07:14<dandersson>On Sid: when trying to install Audacity, I get http://pastebin.com/ahvfvk2f (conflict in versions of libsoundtouch). Should I report it so some maintainer (Audacity? Pidgin? libsoundtouch?) or is it just a common artefact using Sid?
07:16<daemonkeeper>Not common, but this is what you can expect from time to time. I'd say Audacities dependencies need to be updated to resolve the conflict.
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07:23<florian_>hello
07:24<dEhiN>hello florian_
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07:24<florian_>i'm wondering thy debian is still called 'GNU Debian\Linux' on the http://www.debian,org website
07:24<florian_>I think it isn't correct anymore because kFreeBSD isn't Linux.
07:25<petemc>but linux is linux
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07:25<florian_>Debian uses the Linux kernel (the core of an operating system), but most of the basic OS tools come from the GNU project; hence the name GNU/Linux.
07:26<florian_>this sentence isn't correct anymore because debian is officially available for FreeBSD and Linux.
07:26<dEhiN>but debian freebsd is called Debian GNU/kFreeBSD
07:26<dEhiN>and debian hurd is called Debian GNU/Hurd
07:27<dEhiN>think of Debian as a similar company to Microsoft of Apple
07:27<dEhiN>and the kernel is either Linux, FreeBSD, Hurd, etc.
07:27<dEhiN>and GNU as the tools used for the core system on top of the kernel
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07:27<weasel>florian_: probably because nobody changed it yet
07:27<weasel>I think we should be calling it just 'Debian'
07:27<dEhiN>weasel: what is there to change?
07:28<florian_>that's my opinion, too.
07:28<dEhiN>but that's confusing
07:28<dEhiN>unlike Microsoft which only creates Windows and can be synonymous, Debian doesn't just deal with Linux
07:28<florian_>and the imagination that Debian is a similiar company to Microsoft and Apple is horrible
07:29<dEhiN>lol, in terms of analogous terms
07:29<florian_>dEhiN, well. That's why they should change the website.
07:29<dEhiN>you mean like have different sites for Debian Linux, Debian kFreeBSD, etc?
07:29<florian_>The default website still provides the information that Debian is just a Linux distribution.
07:29<dEhiN>o, I get what you're saying
07:30<dEhiN>I suppose it's because the most stable os Debian produces is Debian Linux
07:30<dEhiN>so unless you like trying out experimental sofware, why would you want to know about Debian BSD or Debian Hurd?
07:30<florian_>So why is kFreeBSD also listed as stable?
07:31<florian_>http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/index.en.html
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07:31<dEhiN>it is and it isn't...I've installed it and recently submitted a bug report for gnome on kFreeBSD
07:32<florian_>I had an interessant experience, too.
07:32<dEhiN>plus if you ask in the #debian-kbsd channel, they'll tell you that there are still many packages not ported over
07:32<dEhiN>what happened in your experience?
07:32<florian_>Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1
07:32<florian_>WARNING: TMPFS is considered to be a highly experimental feature in FreeBSD.
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07:32<dEhiN>o yeah, I get that too
07:32<florian_>highly experimental features in debian? :)
07:33<dEhiN>because tmpfs hasn't fully been tried out on top of the freebsd kernel
07:33<dEhiN>and I guess FreeBSD (the OS) doesn't use tmpfs as they have their own core utilites
07:35<florian_>but why does debian release this "highly experimental" stuff? they could have replaced tmpfs by something more freebsd like
07:35<dEhiN>has anyone tried Synergy (http://synergy-foss.org/) with Debian and any other OS? I stumbled upon it this morning and am curious to try it out with my win7 and debian machines
07:35<petemc>dEhiN: ive used synergy in the past, it works
07:35<dEhiN>maybe they have different licenses?
07:35<jm_>dEhiN" my bro also used it
07:36<bones_was_here>i use it between os x and debian
07:36<dEhiN>petemc: why'd you stop using it?
07:36<weasel>it's quite picky about running the same version on all nodes
07:36<bones_was_here>and have used it across os x, windows and debian
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07:36<petemc>switched machines, didnt bother reinstalling it
07:36<dEhiN>bones_was_here: did you use the gui wrapper synergykvm in debian? or just set up synergy on the command-lin
07:36<bones_was_here>the os x version is not as complete as linux/X11 and windows versions
07:36<bones_was_here>dEhiN: only used gui on windows, cli on osx & debian
07:37<bones_was_here>just added it to X startup on debian
07:37<dEhiN>because I'm not sure how to set up synergy in debian - installed it using dpkg and now not sure how to set it up as a client
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07:37<dEhiN>which - synergy or synergyc?
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07:37<bones_was_here>synergyc is the client
07:37<bones_was_here>just pass it the dns name or ip of the server
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07:38<dEhiN>how do I add it to X startup then?
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07:39<florian_>there isn't a tool to use one computer with two keyboards, two mices and two screens as two "virtual" computers, right?
07:39<petemc>there is, its called synergy
07:39<petemc>oh, wait, no
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07:39<dEhiN>florian_: do you mean with two oses installed or one?
07:40<petemc>florian_: you can use x with multiple keyboards and mice
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07:40<florian_>two independent gnome seessions would be enough :P
07:40<dEhiN>petemc: you can?! didn't know that
07:40<petemc>multiseat
07:40<dEhiN>petemc:3rd-party app?
07:41<petemc>evdev driver
07:41<bones_was_here>dEhiN: like it says here http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/autostart.html
07:41<dEhiN>bones_was_here:thanks for the help...how do I add synergyc to X startup?
07:41<dEhiN>nvm
07:41<bones_was_here>;)
07:42<dEhiN>petemc: ??
07:42<florian_>multiseat sounds funny :)
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07:42<petemc>dEhiN: apt-cache show xserver-xorg-input-evdev
07:43<bones_was_here>i suppose ideally debian would add synergy or synergyc (at the user's option) to /etc/X11/Xsession.d
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07:44<dEhiN>bones_was_here:so synergy is the server part and synergyc the client part?
07:44<dEhiN>petemc:thanks, good to know for future
07:44<dEhiN>petemc:actually think I'll install it now jit
07:44<bones_was_here>dEhiN: yes, the synergy package contains both
07:44<dEhiN>*jic
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07:45<dEhiN>apparently evdev is already installed!
07:45<bones_was_here>wait err
07:45<bones_was_here>synergys is the server
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07:56<snoke>hello, need set mem range 0xd0000-0xeffff reserved, but how i exactly tell that to kernel not to use it? memmap=?????
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08:08<eightyeight>my newly updated squeeze box will spawn hundreds of apache instances all of the sudden, causing the kernel to run oom killer
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08:09<eightyeight>which then takes down my box. it's completely unresponsive. ram is filled and swap is filled
08:09<eightyeight>this wasn't a problem on lenny
08:09<eightyeight>what can i do?
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08:10<mercutio22>is there a metapackage that allows me to purge KDE entirely?
08:10<jm_>!remove kde
08:10<dpkg>To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
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08:10<mercutio22>jm_: thanks
08:10<jm_>mercutio22: no worries
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08:16<dEhiN>how do I restart the x server?
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08:16<jm_>what starts it?
08:16<dEhiN>I've tried ctrl+alt+backspace to kill the server but it doesn't seem to work
08:17<dEhiN>system startup
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08:17<jm_>restart your dm
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08:17<dEhiN>I'm using kdm, not sure how to do that
08:17<jm_>invoke-rc.d kdm restart but it will close your apps ...
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08:18<jm_>best to logout and run it from tty
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08:26<eightyeight>anyone know why my apache server is spawing hundreds of pids, causing the kernel to run oom killer? this is on squeeze, but wasn't a problem before the update from lenny
08:26<dEhiN>did you perform any changes to the apache server config?
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08:43<eightyeight>dEhiN: no
08:43<eightyeight>dEhiN: the update didn't notify me of any changes, and i certainly haven't made any manually
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08:47*SynrG hugs dpkg (proxied my dad's question by phone to dpkg bot and fixed it :)
08:48<dEhiN>then I"m not too sure...haven't used apache on linux...try going through the apache docs and config files...if you can somehow strip away all unnecessary startup modules in apache except the very base module and then add back each module one by one you can probably figure out which module is spawning the pids
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08:50<eightyeight>problem is, it could be hours or days before it spawns them
08:50<eightyeight>it seems entirely arbitrary
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08:51<eightyeight>i've seen it as short as 6 hours between spats, and as long as 3 days
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08:51<eightyeight>i'm guessing a reinstall will likely need to be done, which is fine. the data is backed up, and it's trivial to restore for me
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09:21<fgh>whats the best way to get a fresh testing install? upgrade from a newly installed debian 6.0 or would it be better to find a testing iso?
09:23<babilen>!install wheezy
09:23<dpkg>The easiest way to install wheezy is to install squeeze and then upgrade to wheezy. Ask me about <squeeze->wheezy>, but given that users of "testing" are in for a rough ride right after a release, if you don't know how to do this already, you probably shouldn't. Also ask me about <testing>, <apt-listchanges>, <d-d-a>.
09:24<fgh>thank you babilen
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09:35<phaidros>may sound strange, but what besides a jre pkg is needed to get iceweasel doing java?
09:35<phaidros>cant get it running .. *shrug*
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09:35<themill>dpkg: tell phaidros about install java
09:35<themill>phaidros: it's not actually a jre you need (not directly, at least), it's a plugin package.
09:35<phaidros>themill: thx, searching the apt doesnt help if one doesnt know the names :)
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09:38<babilen>eightyeight: There has just been a post about that problem on debian-user -- you might want to watch that as well
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09:38<gotnone>Does cups source files in /etc/cups/cups.d/ or does it ignore them?
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09:46<gotnone>ok, looking at the log file, I must have had cups from ~2006 on my machine, because 1.2.1-3 reverted from cups.d/ to monolithic /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
09:46<gotnone>changelog file that is
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09:49<amarin>Popeye went a little crazy later in life.
09:50<amarin>Looks…Foamy…
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09:52<ihernandez>hi. I have bought a removable usb hard drive and it comes with fat32 filesystem. Which is the best filesystem for removable media? ext3? ext4? some suggestions on what it's best to use for only linux desktops?
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09:53<petemc>ihernandez: ext3 or ext4 work well
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09:54<ihernandez>thanks. can i get rid of the lost+found dir that mkfs.ext4 creates or it's better to have it there?
09:58<daemonkeeper>That is automatically created.
09:58<daemonkeeper>ext based file system will move there lost and found (wohoo!) blocks after a e2fsck
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10:02<bschneider>Hi
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10:04<ihernandez>thanks then. i will not fight against it!
10:04<hide>Hello everyone. Any ideas what solution should I choose: software RAID0 or LVM (all physical volumes in one group, one logical volume, raid0 equivalent)? I'm interested in advantages/disadvantages of both...
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10:08<ihernandez>hide, I used software raid for redundancy from debian etch and always worked fine for me. but lvm should be more powerful tool allowing you to later repartition your disks as you need
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10:09<hide>ihernandez: assuming I won't need any moving, repartitioning, resizing, adding new disks... Any ideas which one should I choose?
10:10<ihernandez>well... then it's up to performance
10:10<ihernandez>i think raid0 is more simple
10:10<ihernandez>and will perform better
10:10<ihernandez>because there is a very simple physical representation of it
10:12<bschneider>I have a question, I need to clone a debian, who is a production server
10:12<bschneider>how can I do ?
10:13<bschneider>and I need the version of packages will be the same
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10:13<bschneider>any idear ?
10:13<babilen>!aptitude clone
10:13<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>.
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10:13<babilen>bschneider: That ^^^^ is one method
10:14<babilen>bschneider: But I guess that by "clone" you mean you really want to replicate everyhting (including the configuration) ?
10:14<bschneider>babilen: yes replicate everything
10:14<bschneider>less is no funny :p
10:15<hide>ihernandez: thanks. Although a quick google says the preformance between those two is really, really similar. I'm confused now of which one should I choose...
10:15<babilen>bschneider: The method outlined by dpkg just makes sure, that you have the same set of packages installed.
10:15<bschneider>babilen: ok, but I will have a version problem
10:16<bschneider>babilen: I want to check if a update can solve some problem
10:16<babilen>bschneider: I would just use rsync/unison to transfer all files over.
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10:17<bschneider>babilen: ok I will think of that, but I'm afraid that the production server will not appresiate ...
10:18<bschneider>sorry for my english
10:18<ihernandez>hide, lvm is a more flexible and powerful tool. but I would really think that in your particular case raid0 is faster
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10:19<ihernandez>but unless you are doing very requiring performance disk operations will be the same
10:20<babilen>bschneider: One could use LVM snaphots (or dd the disk if it is the same hardware) -- A completely different approach would be to implement your configuration in puppet/cfengine for both servers. That would even allow you to setup your server easily.
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10:20<babilen>bschneider: You English is fine, but which language would you be most comfortable with?
10:21<bschneider>babilen: oki thanks, I cant use dd :( I will see for puppet I eard about it
10:21<bschneider>babilen: I'm french ;)
10:21<ihernandez>bschneider, almost no one here speaks english as first language. we all are used to understand each other :)
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10:22<bschneider>ihernandez: :)
10:22<ihernandez>francaiçe et english plus similar sont
10:22<babilen>ihernandez: what? ;)
10:22<bschneider>it's a google transaltion ?
10:22<SynrG>awful franglais
10:22<ihernandez>babilen, je. like spanglish but with french
10:23<bschneider>lol
10:23<babilen>bschneider: There is, however, #debian-fr if you want to speak french. But I don't see why that is necessary. You might prefer it though :)
10:23<fnmueller>word salad
10:23<ihernandez>bschneider, oh . no . i speak spannish so i mixed english and french
10:23<SynrG>there's a book "Parlez Vous Franglais?" I think, with more of that ... if you're amused by it
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10:23<bschneider>babilen: I'm connected on debian-fr but nobody answer ...
10:24<bschneider>ihernandez: :p
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10:24*babilen had a rough time already to understand "Singlish" (and other asian/chinese english mixes) -- I'm not going to pick up another bastardisation, but focus on my mandarin, english and russian :)
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10:24<babilen>bschneider: yeah, the more specific the channel is the less people hang out there.
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10:25<bschneider>babilen: true ...
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10:26<bschneider>but the englis chanel is cool ;) people look like friend ;)
10:26<bschneider>like in the same Debian Family :p
10:26<SynrG>ahh ... a column, actually, compiled into a series of books: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franglais
10:27<babilen>SynrG: Yeah, I like those creole languages
10:27<SynrG>my province, nova scotia, is home to some of the worst bastardized french in the world (acadian french)
10:27<ihernandez>and now it has become more friendly. i remember back in 99 was painful. looked like a bunch of gentoo 313373 kiddies trying to show that you have to RTFM the whole docs... without realizing that people where not being able to find the docs!
10:28<bschneider>between a 2.2.9-10+lenny4 package and a 2.2.9-10+lenny9 theyhave only security correction ?
10:29<babilen>bschneider: most likely (that is one of the important parts of Debian stable) -- you could check the changelog of the package in questions for details
10:29<bschneider>babilen: ok thanks
10:29<SynrG>babilen: sadly, my school system failed me ... by grade 11 they were recommending me to honours french for grade 12, but i felt i was so very far from "bilangue" that it was pointless to continue further and dropped it to make room for other courses :p
10:30<ihernandez>bschneider, unless there are special outstanding bugs that compromise system stability only security patches are merged into stable distributions.
10:30<weasel>http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2011/02/16/sarkozy-admits-french-language-a-hoax-after-wikileaks-expose/
10:30<SynrG>i'm afraid without an immersion program, it's very hard to really learn a language in school :p
10:30<bschneider>ihernandez: oki
10:30<SynrG></OT> ;)
10:30<babilen>weasel: hahaha
10:31<fnmueller>SynrG: hmm, I once took an AP test in french - it was pretty much a joke, just a little reading, recalling and some discussion with a teacher
10:31<SynrG>weasel: hehe
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10:31<bschneider>It can explain why a wordpress works well under a last upgrade lenny but no under a oldest one (Lenny) ?
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10:32<babilen>bschneider: your wordpress stopped working after you've upgraded to 2.2.9-10+lenny9 ?
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10:33<bschneider>babilen: no, On a client server who is the "old" lenny wordpresse didn't work the better hi can
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10:33<bschneider>but under a fresh install he work like a charme
10:33<babilen>bschneider: "the better hi can" ? (i don't understand that - is it franglaise? frenglish?)
10:34<bschneider>babilen: sorry, I want to say, he work but some part didn't
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10:35<babilen>bschneider: I would upgrade the server in question and try it with the most recent versions in lenny. The upgrade should only give you security (or other grave bug) fixes ..
10:35<babilen>bschneider: I guess that you are aware of the fact that Debian released squeeze as stable and that lenny is indeed oldstable now?
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10:37<bschneider>babilen: what is squeeze ? :p juste a joke, I know, but at my job they are a little late with that ...
10:37<bschneider>babilen: I juste arrive I my new job and I think I have many think to change here ...
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10:48<cmot>Arrgh
10:48<cmot>anyobdy knows about GNU arch / tla? All I want to do is get at the data
10:48<cmot>so I can finally kill it
10:48<cmot>"tla categories ..." shows me that there is a category.
10:48<kop>cmot: I did that. It wasn't hard. There are some tools....
10:48<cmot>How do I arrive at the correct "tla get" invocation?
10:48<cmot>from there?
10:49<kop>cmot: I used a non-tla tool that converted. Hang on.
10:49<cmot>non-tla tool sounds promising already :-)
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10:51<kop>cmot: Humm. I think I used arch2darcs. But I recall a bunch of tools, including a generic one that is sorta anything to anything. I think I was looking around the darcs wiki and found it.
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10:51<cmot>kop: Hmm. Google just told me that there is git-archimport, so I have something else to try as well.
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10:52*cmot is not keen to learn darcs as well just to get rid of tla
10:52<cmot>since I don't use darcs
10:52<cmot>still, thanks
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10:52<kop>cmot: The best approch would be to ask the folks who are using the tool you want to migrate to.
10:52<kop>cmot: I like darcs a lot. Very straightforward.
10:52*cmot has never looked at it.
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10:53<kop>cmot: I think the darcswiki listed the generic tool.
10:53<cmot>I'm familiar with svn and am learning hg and git.
10:53<kop>cmot: git seems clunky, but everybody's using it.
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10:54<sney>git seems annoying because the syntax *looks* like it's the same as svn, but isn't, and they use the same terms for different stuff (i.e. checkout)
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10:54<cmot>I've always disliked git so far because some not too uncommon operations involving branches always seem uber-complicated
10:55<babilen>sney: https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitSvnComparison
10:55<cmot>but the docs got a lot better in the recent years
10:55*kop thinks anything's better than svn, which is just a cvs that actually works.
10:55<ansgar>cmot: I am sure they are much more complicated in SVN?
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10:56<cmot>ansgar: no they're not.
10:57<cmot>ansgar: but you're hitting the end of the world sooner with svn: some stuff you just can't do reasonably, like repeatedly merge between some branches
10:57<cmot>(who would want to do that anyway....)
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10:59<bschneider>bye and thanks ;)
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10:59<cmot>wheee!
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11:00<cmot>tla register-archive. then tla categores <archive>. then tla branches -A <archive> <category>. then tla versions -A <archive> <branch>. then I can tla get -A <archive> <version>
11:01<cmot>then it's horribly slow
11:01<cmot>but I can get at the data!
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11:37<danilo>i have about 140 FPS in glxgears; also compiz is very slow, after an upgrade to squeeze. Any hint to solve that? my video card is ati radeon v370 (it worked good on D5)
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11:37<danilo>please, help me! my xorg.conf is this: http://paste.debian.net/108847/
11:37<Quantum>Anyone know cron for Debian?
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11:38<daemonkeeper>"cron for Debian"?
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11:38<amphi>danilo: do you have the radeon firmware installed?
11:39<Quantum>daemonkeeper: y. Seems to be different.
11:39<daemonkeeper>How different?
11:39<amphi>danilo: if not, install firmware-linux-nonfree & see if that helps
11:39<Quantum>You're supposed to create user crons in /var/spool, FCS.
11:39<daemonkeeper>Why do you care? use crontab -e
11:39<Quantum>User nothings belong in /var/spool...
11:40<daemonkeeper>This is, what crontab is for.
11:40<danilo>it is installed http://paste.debian.net/108849/ (i have to do something else after installed?)
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11:40<Quantum>So I'm trying to make a cron script run weekly and put it in /etc/cron.weekly.
11:40<danilo>maybe a purge and a reinstall?
11:40<daemonkeeper>That's ok as well
11:40<Quantum>It always runs on Friday though, no matter how I set crontab. This is the problem.
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11:41<Quantum>00 10 * * 2 root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.weekly )
11:41<daemonkeeper>Quantum: the /etc/cron.X directories are a Debian improvement, they're controlled by the system crontab in /etc/crontab
11:41<Quantum>Sure.
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11:42<Quantum>No matter how I set crontab, it's ignored.
11:42<daemonkeeper>Do you have anacron installed?
11:42<Quantum>The weekly jobs always start 8:13 am on Friday.
11:43<Quantum>Y.
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11:43<Quantum>It's screwed up...
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11:44<daemonkeeper>The only thing I could image is your local time being screwed up
11:44<Quantum>And I'm sure not putting crons in /var/spool... nonsensical.
11:44<daemonkeeper>What's wrong with those?
11:44<Quantum>date shows it completely correct.
11:45<fnmueller>what about pasting crontab -l ?
11:45<Quantum>... even if cron used the hardware clock it should vary when I change the day.
11:45<daemonkeeper>crontab -l gives the user local crontab only.
11:46<Quantum>"no crontab for root" Apparently it's looking in /var/spool.
11:46<daemonkeeper>Sure it is.
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11:46<Quantum>cron seems to be using a crontab other than the one in /etc.
11:46<daemonkeeper>There are user local crontabs in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ and the system wide crontab in /etc/crontab
11:46<fnmueller> for user in $(cut -f1 -d: /etc/passwd); do echo $user; crontab -u $user -l; done
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11:48<Quantum>fnmueller: a whole list of "no crontab for "*
11:48<Quantum>It's busted...
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11:49<fnmueller>hmm, well, were the crontabs created using crontab -e ?
11:49<Gateway`>hello everybody. I have a gateway with iptables and squid/squidguard installed on the same server hp proliant ML360. Everything was fine until a couple of days, I meet a problem that appears from time to time
11:49<Quantum>Never created using crontab command. I just dropped the script in /etc/cron.weekly.
11:50<Gateway`>the interface connected the LAN doesn't answer
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11:50<Quantum>I object to putting -anything- user in /var/spool. It's ridiculous.
11:50<jjp>Quantum: what about /var/spool/mail ?
11:50<fnmueller>Quantum: well, that probably is the problem, I never created a crontab by copying old files, I always used a script utilizing crontab
11:50<daemonkeeper>You mean /var/spool directly? Not /var/spool/cron/crontabs/$user?
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11:51<Gateway`>is there a way to know where the problem comes from... ?
11:51<Quantum>I/ve never put anything in /var/spool for the user.
11:52<Quantum>The /etc/crontab should work, but it's busted.
11:52<jjp>Gateway: does netstat -i tells you something usefull ?
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11:53<fnmueller>Quantum: I believe daemonkeeper want to point out, that crontabs are organized by user in ebian ;-)
11:53<Quantum>They belong in /home/{user}/.cron then...
11:53<fnmueller>Quantum: so, all you probably want to do is to put the cron file in the correct folder
11:54<jjp>Quantum: how would cron then deal when /home/{user} is encrypted with user's key ?
11:54<Quantum>Understand what he meant by /var/spool/cron/crontabs/$user, but I'm making a more general statement. User files do not belong in /var/spool, I think.
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11:55<jjp>Quantum: print jobs both belong to user and printer spool queue
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11:56<Quantum>Well, so maybe I have to capitulate. But no one knows why /etc/cron.weekly does not use /etc/crontab?
11:56<daemonkeeper>Quantum: Why? mail dirs/files are filed there as well.
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11:57<fnmueller>Quantum: well, actually, I believe cron files are in var/spool/cron/crontabs/ as it is a spool file. It makes sense to me. But maybe you could file a bug report with an explanation of why it should not be there. This could give you a better exlpanation.
11:58<jjp>Quantum: because it's the other way out: /etc/crontab uses /etc/cron.weekly; follows an exerpt from my /etc/crontab
11:58<jjp>47 6 * * 7 root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.weekly )
11:59<danilo>always for my problem with compiz slow on squeeze :) I've noted that if I open nautilus compiz works well, not if I open for example "terminal" or "google chrome". why?
11:59<Quantum>Well, though, setting the day of the week in /etc/crontab, as well as the time, simply does not work.
11:59<jjp>fnmueller: I wouldn't even try to file an apparently legitimate bug report on cron to Paul Vixie
11:59<Quantum>My /etc/crontab settings are ignored, and I'll bet yours are too..
11:59<danilo>sorry, also Chrome is fast... so it's a terminal problem...
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11:59<danilo>what's pkg terminal's name ?
12:00<Gateway`>jjp, thanks for your answer. Do you want to say something like an error message ?
12:00<daemonkeeper>jjp: Debian uses anacron, not Vixie cron
12:00<Gateway`>because netstat -i doesn't return any error
12:00<jjp>Gateway: Yes: collisions as an instance
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12:00<jjp>daemonkeeper: right, mistook with one of my other system
12:01<Gateway`>jjp, which one of these refers to collisions ? Iface MTU Met RX-OK RX-ERR RX-DRP RX-OVR TX-OK TX-ERR TX-DRP TX-OVR Flg
12:01<Gateway`>RX-ERR ?
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12:03<jjp>Gateway: sorry, I keep mistaking with according commands and arguments on netbsd. netstat -i on linux apparently won't return collisions count. Yet, TX-ERR and RX-ERR (transmission and receive errors respectively) may prove interesting date
12:03<jjp>data
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12:04<Gateway`>jjp, you shouldn't be :) the problem is that the interface doesn't answer all the time
12:05<Gateway`>and everything was working fine before
12:05<Quantum>Is there an IRC for cron?
12:05<jjp>Gateway: if the interface itself is failing, you should have kernel messages: dmesg
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12:06<jjp>Quantum: I think the opening of one was scheduled by cron
12:06<Quantum>{hehe}
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12:09<Quantum>... big help ...
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12:10<Gateway`>jjp, dmesg | grep eth1 doesn't return anything wrong
12:12<jjp>Gateway: how do you actually appreciate the issue ? I mean, how the fact the interface doesn't answer is perceived ?
12:13<Gateway`>it's doesn't answer a couple of seconds when I ping the address of the interface
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12:13<Gateway`>it could be a problem on the computer which I am connected from ?
12:13<jjp>Gateway: do you have a icmp smurf dampening mechanism
12:14<Gateway`>jjp, do you want to say a mechanism that keep all icmp errors ?
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12:15<jjp>Gateway: no, mechanisms exist to limit rates of ICMP answers
12:15<jjp>Gateway: however, more probably, your issue should be link related. You should also try mii-tool
12:16<Gateway`>jjp, yes
12:16<Gateway`>I have that mechanism
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12:17<Gateway`>jjp, would you like me to paste the line of it ?
12:17<jjp>yeah, send
12:17<Gateway`>iptables -A FORWARD -p icmp --icmp-type echo-request -m limit --limit 1/s -j ACCEPT
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12:18<jjp>Ok then, it says it should answer 1 echo per second.
12:18<Gateway`>yes exactly
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12:19<ballison>is there an easy way to write a simple .deb package that just runs a script
12:19<ballison>in other words, i have a script, and i want that script to become a package
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12:20<Gateway`>but the problem is not only the ping, because I ping the interface in order to find out where the problem comes from
12:20<ballison>i've read the how to build debian packages page and it's _way_ complicated... assumes source code and compiling binaryes. i've got none of those. i just have a simple shell script i want to run with you apt-get install the package (it's a config package)
12:20<Gateway`>is it an internet connection problem from the ISP or from the LAN
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12:22<bartm>ballison, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/
12:22<jjp>Gateway: is ur gateway providing a service ? If so, is-it available at full speed ?
12:23<babilen>ballison: You want to install that "script" (what is it?) ? Check dh_make and/or checkinstall ...
12:23<jjp>Gateway: you need to tell more about how the issue is experienced.
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12:25<austinium>hi, i have a laptop whose display is dying, i need to clone it's HDD before sending it over for repairs. the laptop has winVista installed iam going to use CloneZilla to clone the HDD, i noticed that there are two partitions the first one is of unknown type(it says EISA or something) and the second is NTFS(C drive), the question i have is what are the chances of this first partition getting messed up in the clone-restore process?
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12:26<valdyn>austinium: the first partition on vista and windows 7 is its boot manager
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12:26<austinium>it's 9.3 GB
12:26<Tiff>i don't think vista created separate boot.
12:26<valdyn>austinium: ok, thats something else then
12:26<Tiff>just w7
12:26<Gateway`>jjp, I know it's hard to understand what I say, because you are not the one having this problem, and my english is not good to say what I want to say correctly
12:27<valdyn>Tiff: true, i guess
12:27<austinium>i'll have to double check that (9.3GB), i have the machine hooked up to an external display
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12:27<valdyn>austinium: that could be the restore partition from the laptop vendor
12:27<austinium>its Window Vista (some service pack)
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12:27<austinium>if i were to use clonezilla to clone the entire HDD(not single partitions)
12:28<austinium>that should clone both partitions, and if i were to restore the cloned image
12:28<valdyn>austinium: i dont see clonezilla in debian
12:28<Gateway`>jjp, thank you very much for your help I really apperciate... I'll verify more and make some tests. Thank you :))
12:28<austinium>i agree
12:28<austinium>valdyn
12:28<ballison>bartm: way too complicated. I just want to take a script and turn it into a package.
12:28<austinium>but i use debian all day
12:28<jjp>Gateway: what's ur nationality ?
12:28<austinium>this laptop belongs to my father
12:29<austinium>so i didnt any place else to turn to forl help
12:29<austinium>:)
12:29<valdyn>austinium: but youre asking us to clone non-debian with non-debian software
12:29<Gateway`>jjp, I'm moroccan
12:29<jjp>Ok, I'm french :-)
12:29<valdyn>austinium: it doesnt get any more off topic
12:29<fnmueller>austinium: just dd or use partimage.
12:29<austinium>ok, i see your point valdyn
12:29<Gateway`>jjp, good it would be better to talk in french :))
12:29<austinium>fnmueller
12:30<austinium>i try that
12:30<Gateway`>but not here :s
12:30<lillecarl>Q: My microphone does not work in Debian Squeeze :(
12:30<jjp>Gateway: anyway, I have to go. My WE starts here. Wish you well on your issue.
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12:30<lillecarl>Anyone had same problem and solved it? :P
12:30<valdyn>!anyone
12:30<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
12:30<Gateway`>jjp, OK thank you again for your help :)
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12:31<valdyn>!tell lillecarl -about smart questions
12:31<jjp>lillecarl: yeah, I plugged my microphone in the right port and then it worked :-)
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12:31<lillecarl>jjp, well mine does not, its in the front jack on a dell E520 :P
12:32<lillecarl>ive like read on forums for 2 days now and not found anything xD
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12:32<bartm>ballison, not so complex, in my opinion
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12:32<jjp>lillecarl: sorry, just kidding. However, try also on back jack. My HP desktop have an issue between back and front jacks
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12:33<lillecarl>hmm
12:33<lillecarl>okay :P
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12:38<ballison>bartm: is there like a simple .deb package I can use as a template? something i can dpkg-deb -x ____ ___; dpkg-deb -e _____ _____
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12:49<Arrowmaster>ballison: have you tried dh_make?
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12:55<daemonkeeper>ballison: Arrowmaster's suggestion is fine if you intend to make a (serious) Debian package, if you just want to have an atomic installation (i.e. cleanly install / remove a "make install" target) use checkinstall
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13:11<Modular>This isn't a debian specific question but i figured you may know of it. I heard a podcast talking about a 10.5 meg OS total. I forgot the name though anyone have any ideas?
13:14<koollman>could you be even less specific ? :)
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13:17<bartm>Modular, minix :)
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13:19<Modular>bartm: Thank You. I knew someone here would know what i was talking about
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13:25<Cristo>Hello!
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13:31<cz-david>Hi, I have a problem with Wheezy installation ... At the part when it loads debootstrap it crashes with "Invalid release file. no entry for main/binary-amd64/packages." It's a netinst from usb flash disk. Got it there using unetbootin. can anyone help?
13:31<ballison>I have a bash / scripting question: is there a better way to get an host's IP address via the command line than "host www.foo.com | sed -n '/has address/{s/.*has address //; p}' ?
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13:33<ballison>is there no "getip" command line binary?
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13:33<bartm>ballison, maybe "dig"
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13:34<asdfgh>When I shutdown computer it displays Killing all remaining processes [fail]. It shutdowns normally but it delays it.
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13:39<asfaf>hello, please i tryed to install the cross toolchain under ubuntu as explained in the wiki, but i end up with warning: libc.so, needed by /usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnueabi/4.4.5/libgcc_s.so.1, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link), any ideas plz
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13:40<bartm>asfaf, this is not #ubuntu but #debian
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13:41<Tiff>dpkg: tell asfaf about ubuntu
13:41<asdfgh>When I shutdown computer it displays Killing all remaining processes [fail]. It shutdowns normally but it delays it.
13:41<asdfgh>Can anybody help me?
13:42<bartm>asdfgh, can you figure out which process it fails to kill?
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13:42<asdfgh>bartm, How?
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13:44<littlegirl>I got this from a web page: Look in /var/log/syslog for messages about which processes are failing to die.
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13:45<asdfgh>littlegirl, I was doing it in first place, but I'm not searched anything.
13:46<littlegirl>asdfgh: It would probably be near or at the bottom of the file.
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13:48<asdfgh>littlegirl, Exactly. You're right. But anything I can see is: udevd[340]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules:15 kernel: Kernel logging (proc) stopped.
13:48<bartm>asdfgh, look for "Currently running processes" the logging
13:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 496] by debhelper
13:49<asdfgh>bartm, I can't see anything like this.
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13:51<littlegirl>asdfgh: Hmmm, pasting that into Google doesn't turn up anything useful. When it says, "Killing all remaining processes [fail]" does it say anything else immediately afterward?
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13:54<asdfgh>littlegirl, Backward it says Asking all remaining processes to terminate [OK]. Afterward it says something like Now will halt.
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14:05<littlegirl>asdfgh: Did you make sure and close everything before shutting down?
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14:09<asdfgh>littlegirl, Yes but it don't make difference.
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14:10<littlegirl>asdfgh: I wish I could help. I can't think of anything else. Hopefully someone else will join in and come up with a good idea.
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14:10<gohan4748>#fun
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14:10<asdfgh>littlegirl, Ok, thank for help.
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14:10<dEhiN>asdfgh: what linux flavour are you getting this error on?
14:11<asdfgh>dEhiN, Ubuntu 10.10
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14:12<bartm>asdfgh, this is #debian, not #ubuntu
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14:12<ompaul>!ubuntu
14:12<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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14:13<dEhiN>asdfgh: ask on the #ubuntu channel as well since it could be spefically ubuntu related...but i was getting the same issue on either my debian-linux or debian-kfreebsd box..my assumption is that it's a process that won't shutdown fully when the os gives the shutdown signal
14:14<dEhiN>it happens in all oses sometimes, and as long as you don't notice anything unsual as a result (ie, computer hangs completely, or messed up files/processes on restart), it's usually harmless
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14:15<asdfgh>I know that this is #debian channel but google shows that it is also on Debian. I asked on #ubuntu but they can't help me.
14:15<asdfgh>dEhiN, How you solved this?
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14:16<ruslan>hello
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14:16<jhutchins_lt>asdfgh: Again, "Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. "
14:16<ruslan>doe's anyone similar with proxmox ve?
14:17<jhutchins_lt>asdfgh: What we can suggest here is that you install Debian, and if you still have the same problem we'll help you solve it.
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14:17<jhutchins_lt>!ru
14:17<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
14:17<dEhiN>jhutchins_it: 's ok, I took the discussion private
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14:19<ruslan>proxmox is a custom debian distribution for openvz and kvm virtualization. I've some troubles with openvz venet =(
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14:19<ruslan>i hope, anybody can help me
14:19<jhutchins_lt>!based on debian
14:19<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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14:20<BleK>hello guys
14:20<doubledutch>Hjallo BleK
14:20<BleK>someone can help me?
14:20<BleK>:D
14:20<doubledutch>!anyone
14:20<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
14:20<doubledutch>!ask
14:20<doubledutch>!ask
14:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:20<BleK>i want install debian 6.0
14:20<BleK>on raid 1
14:21<Tiff>Good for you.
14:21<BleK>raid hardware, but debian dont see one disk but 2 disk
14:21<ompaul>BleK: that is how hardware raid works
14:21<ompaul>ahh
14:21<BleK>raid 1 is mirroring
14:21<ballison>Blek: Did you mean to say, debian sees the 2 disks as 1 disk ?
14:22<doubledutch>RAID 1 and RAID 0 are both mirroring.
14:22<BleK>no debian sees 2 disk as 2 disk
14:22<ruslan>!ask Does anyone similar with proxmox ve? I don't know, hot to set up NAT for port forwarding between external network and guest machine.
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14:22<BleK>but raid 1 is 2 disk as 1 disk
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14:22<ompaul>BleK: basically you need to tell your hardware to make it raid and when you boot up it makes the second disk invisible to debian - else it is not set up correctly
14:22<ruslan>BleK: it depends on RAID controller
14:23<jhutchins_lt>ruslan: promox is not supported here.
14:23<BleK>i have tried with 3 raid controller
14:23<ballison>Blek: This is all setup in the raid controller
14:23<BleK>integrated on motherboard
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14:23<BleK>intel ich10
14:23<BleK>LSI MEGARAID 8204
14:23<BleK>and onother one
14:24<ruslan>jhutchins_lt: please, tell me where I need to go
14:24<ompaul>BleK: you have to work that out as the box boots you will be told to CTRL S or some such and you drive that process, it is not for #debian to do
14:24<jhutchins_lt>ruslan: I don't know. Perhaps they have web site? Perhaps there are mailing lists?
14:24<asdfgh>And BTW what client do you use?
14:24<BleK>ok tnz :)
14:24<BleK>i must go... bye bye
14:24<BleK>and tnx :*
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14:25<ruslan>jhutchins_lt: yes, they have. But the IRC got a faster response.
14:25<jhutchins_lt>ruslan: It isn't debian, so faster doesn't mean anything. We don't know promox, and it's off-topic here.
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14:26<ruslan>jhutchins_lt: thanks!
14:26<eightyeight>babilen: yes. that post was from me
14:26<eightyeight>(from your reply 5 hours ago)
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14:35<dEhiN>is there any debian or gnu command to reconfigure the base system?
14:36-!-jmbsvicetto [~jmbsvicet@lantean.jmbsvicetto.org] has joined #debian
14:37<jmbsvicetto>Hi. Where can I ask about URLs for packages files hosted on alioth.debian.org ?
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14:37<jhutchins_lt2>dEhiN: dpkg-reconfigure -a
14:38<jmbsvicetto>I'm updating the source for the man-pages-de package on Gentoo and was trying to find a cleaner URL than https://alioth.debian.org/frs/download.php/3463/manpages-de-0.7.tar.bz2
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14:38<newb>what'sd the kde channel of debian?
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14:38<bartm>newb, is there a separate channel? I don't think so
14:39<littlegirl>#debian-kde
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14:39<newb>thanks! And yes, there is another channel :)
14:40<littlegirl>Yep, I'm in it, too. (:
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14:43<chealer>dEhiN: what do you mean by the base system?
14:43<newb>how can I upgrade my KDE packages from testing o experimental-snapshots? aptitude do not do this for me here in my actual config. And I don't know about how to make this work
14:43<newb>I just want update this time
14:44<kop>dEhiN: Perhaps you're thinking of "tasksel"?
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14:46<newb>lol, found, it's easy: aptitude -t experimental-snapshots safe-upgrade
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14:47<dEhiN>kop: not too sure, but I think dpkg-reconfigure might be what I need
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14:52<kkk63>ciao
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14:54<MTecknology>so... how do I get flash and java to work? I tried installing it from their downloads but that didn't seem to actually work
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14:54<bartm>MTecknology, for flash just do : apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
14:55<MTecknology>E: Package 'flashplugin-nonfree' has no installation candidate
14:55<dondelelcaro>!non-free
14:55<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
14:56<bartm>MTecknology, add "contrib" to the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
14:56<bartm>dondelelcaro, flashplugin-nonfree is in contrib :)
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14:57<MTecknology>what about java?
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14:57<MTecknology>flash seems to work now
14:57<bartm>great
14:58<Hydroxide>MTecknology: if you want Oracle's (formerly Sun's) official proprietary JDK or JRE, you need non-free enabled, where you can install it from most Debian mirror servers
14:58<Hydroxide>MTecknology: the packages are sun-java6-* (see which ones you want)
14:58<Hydroxide>MTecknology: or, you can use OpenJDK which is in Debian proper (i.e. main)
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14:59<mevon>nice hello everyon
14:59<MTecknology>I'll try openjdk
14:59<Hydroxide>MTecknology: those are openjdk-6-* plus also icedtea-gcjwebplugin if you want a browser plugin
15:00<mevon>I'm having troubles with isc-dhcp-server not starting up
15:00<mevon>anyone could help?
15:00<MTecknology>yay :D
15:00<MTecknology>Hydroxide: bartm: Thanks :D
15:00<Hydroxide>MTecknology: sorry, seems to be icedtea6-plugin in the most current versions (squeeze and later), not icedtea-gcjwebplugin
15:01<MTecknology>yup- i foudn that :)
15:01<kop>mevon: tail -f /var/log/daemon is your friend.
15:01<dEhiN>Hydroxide: what's the diff b/w Oracle's Java and OpenJDK
15:01<dEhiN>?
15:02<Hydroxide>dEhiN: very little. OpenJDK is the code which Oracle bases their official Java on
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15:03<Hydroxide>dEhiN: and it's developed by them. not every bit of Java was freed by Sun, though, so some bits have been replaced in OpenJDK. I think some versions of OpenJDK have successfully passed the Java TCK and can officially be called Java
15:03<dEhiN>does openjdk install as part of the base system? or would I have to intentionally install it?
15:03<Hydroxide>dEhiN: you'd have to intentionally install it
15:03<dEhiN>ok
15:03<Hydroxide>dEhiN: but it's free in both senses and in Debian
15:03<dEhiN>sounds good
15:04<Nemoder>it might get installed as a dependancy if you installed an app that requires it
15:04<Hydroxide>Nemoder: that's possible, yes, though some apps might have a natively compiled version in the archive and pull in the gcj stack instead
15:04<Hydroxide>which is also cool to have as an option :)
15:04<mevon>kop: the server won't start
15:05<kop>mevon: Talk to the channel. (It's daemon.log)
15:05<mevon>ok
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15:07<mevon>kop got nothing going on there only copyrights and link printed 3x
15:08<kop>!tell mevon about errors
15:08<kop>mevon: Sorry about the tell's but it's faster.
15:08<mevon>ok thanks
15:09<mevon>tell me how to check my syslog
15:09<bartm>mevon, less /var/log/syslog
15:10<mevon>ok thanks
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15:10<kop>mevon: You also might find /var/log/messages handy. (and "man less" -- which will give you tools to read man pages as well.)
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15:10<kop>mevon: Seeing as how you seem new to this -- fyi:
15:10<kop>!tell mevon about overview
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15:11<mevon>ifconfig tells me that I have no ip
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15:13<borg0>hello, where is the flashplugin-nonfree package when i type >aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree< i am informed that it dosent exist??????
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15:13<borg0>i am using squeeze
15:13<devil>borg0: its in contrib
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15:13<bartm>borg0, add "contrib" to the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
15:13<borg0>ah
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15:14<kop>!tell borg0 about overview
15:14<mevon>i ma using squeeze too without desktop
15:14<dEhiN>bye
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15:15<kop>mevon: What do you type? What is the error message? Tell the channel.
15:15<kop>!tell mevon about paste
15:16<mevon>error goes like so in syslog: No subnet declaration for eth0 (192.168.2.10)
15:16<mevon>Not configured to listen on any interface!
15:17<mevon>now 192.168.2.10 is a static ip I had on my other LAN, which I'm not on right now because it has a router already
15:18<mevon>I tried ton configure another subnet on another router which has DHCP disabled
15:18<kop>mevon: You're trying to setup a dhcp client or a server?
15:18<mevon>server
15:18<kop>mevon: And your nic is configured, right?
15:19<kop>mevon: You're on the network?
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15:19<mevon>yeah INTERFACE="eth0 eth0:0" in the default
15:19<newb>Somebody can update me about sun-jdk and openjdk? What is not possible with openjdk today?
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15:20<kop>mevon: I mean, your nic works. You can ping, ssh, etc. Right?
15:20<mevon>yes it does
15:20<davi>Why I get Error 404 on volatile?
15:20<davi> Err http://volatile.debian.org squeeze/volatile/main amd64 Packages
15:20<davi> 404 Not Found [IP: 130.89.149.227 80]
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15:20<gsimmons>dpkg: tell davi -about squeeze volatile
15:20<kop>mevon: Pastebin your dhcpd.conf.
15:20<mevon>ssh works
15:20<davi>thanks gsimmons
15:21<kop>!tell mevon about pastebinit
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15:23<mevon>ok anyone can help setting up a dhcp server
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15:23<mevon>with isc-dhcp-server
15:23<mevon>my eth0 is still bound to a subnet that no longer exists
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15:24<mevon>and my dhcp server won't start
15:24<borg0>another question: why does xchat not show when i type aptitude search irc
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15:26<Nemoder>borg0: that only searches the names of packages not descriptions. try apt-cache search
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15:26<mevon>anyone knows another chan to post troubles ?
15:26<mevon>need network admin skills
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15:39<kop>mevon: Do what I said. Pastebin the config.
15:39<mevon>kop got the dhcp running
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15:39<mevon>changed the subnet to 192.168.2.0
15:39<mevon>now i need to route my tftp server
15:40<mevon>I need to PXE boot a bricked laptop
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15:42<mevon>now for the pastbin part ...
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15:45<mevon>tricky onssh
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15:49<kop>mevon: use pastebinit I sent you the factoid
15:49<mevon>http://paste.debian.net/108871/
15:49<mevon>think its good but i left out the commented parts
15:50<kop>mevon: If it runs what do you want looked at? (gotta go)
15:50<mevon>tftp server
15:51<mevon>dosent route to it when a specific client dhcp
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16:03<babilen>eightyeight: I almost suspected that, but wasn't sure if that was you and thought i'll mention it in case you were not :)
16:03<Guest2644>hi
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16:11<mevon>anyone knows tftp servers?
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16:13<weasel>apt does
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16:16<eightyeight>babilen: no worries
16:16<asfaf>how can i fix this:
16:16<asfaf>locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
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16:16<eightyeight>i've purged all apache2 configs, removed all traces of the software, and reinstalled apache cleanly. we'll see what happens
16:16<eightyeight>might be a bug that needs reporting
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16:20<asfaf>what version is debian sid?
16:20<babilen>eightyeight: yeah
16:20<babilen>asfaf: unstable
16:21<asfaf>is there a rason why i cant install emdebian-tools? i cant seem to get emsetup
16:21<babilen>asfaf: sid is sid is sid and will never be released if that is what you are asking. It is used as a "staging ground" for testing (currently wheezy which will be Debian 7.0)
16:22<asfaf>babilen: ok thanks, so how would i install emsetup on it=
16:22<babilen>,file emsetup --release sid
16:22<judd>No packages were found with that file.
16:22<babilen>,versions emdebian-tools
16:22<judd>Package emdebian-tools on i386 -- lenny: 1.4.3
16:23<SynrG>removed from squeeze/unstable
16:23<asfaf>what does that mean?
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16:23<asfaf>yay
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16:23<SynrG>see #540333
16:23<babilen>!dbugs #540333
16:23<dpkg>DONE:#540333:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: emdebian-tools -- ROM; superceded by emdebian-crush (); Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:54:01 UTC []
16:24<babilen>,info emdebian-crush
16:24<judd>Package emdebian-crush (utils, extra) in squeeze/i386: emdebian crossbuilding helpers. Version: 2.2.5.1; Size: 41.7k; Installed: 168k; Homepage: http://www.emdebian.org/crush/
16:24<SynrG>retitle 540333 RM: emdebian-tools -- ROM; superceded by emdebian-crush
16:24<SynrG>yeah
16:24*babilen stops playing on the bots :)
16:24<SynrG>faster than me :)
16:24*SynrG tries to remember this dbugs thing
16:24<asfaf>well crush doesnt seem to provide emsetup
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16:24<babilen>asfaf: That file is not provided by any package in sid
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16:25<SynrG>so read the doc? maybe there is some new tool that replaces emsetup
16:25<babilen>quite likely
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16:25<asfaf>hmm
16:25<asfaf>where would i start to read about that? in crush?
16:25<babilen>asfaf: You might want to ask in #emdebian -- they are likely to know much more about emdebian
16:26<SynrG>yup. i'd be solving it from first principles. don't know emdebian well, really
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16:26<asfaf>ok thanks
16:27<babilen>asfaf: /usr/share/doc/emdebian-crush/README might be a place to start (i have not looked at it)
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16:27<babilen>#emdebian
16:27<babilen>!emdebian
16:27<dpkg>Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net.
16:28<babilen>There might also be docs on the wiki and their website. But you could also stay for a beer in #emdebian - I'm sure they are happy when you drop in :)
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16:30<mevon>anyone here can help me setup my tftp server?
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16:32<babilen>consider it done
16:32<katsrc>is firefox 4 beta 11 accessible from any debian backports?
16:32<katsrc>or third party debian repositories?
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16:32<babilen>katsrc: No, but it is easy to download. You can just place it somewhere (in your home or, for example, in /usr/local /opt) and adjust your PATH
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16:33<katsrc>babilen: i know, but the one from mozilla isn't compiled with all the libraries that debian has in iceweasel
16:33<katsrc>:/
16:33<babilen>katsrc: Compile it yourself then. It is not available as deb AFAIK
16:34<babilen>katsrc: What is missing in their built?
16:34<katsrc>babilen: the dependencies are too much, i have to break the system to experimental packages
16:34<katsrc>mainly libcario
16:34<katsrc>that makes rendering smoother
16:34<katsrc>some other minor stuff
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16:36<babilen>compile it in a chroot (can use cowbuilder for example)
16:37<katsrc>babilen: hmm.. thanks, i'll take a look at it
16:37<babilen>sorry, not much else comes to mind. I am happily using their built (hence my question about the missing parts)
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16:54<sznitzeln>hi! i've made a live usb and created a partition with gparted to transfer files from a windows computer, but my partition is not visible in windows
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16:54<sznitzeln>any ideas why this might be?
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16:55<ratboy>sznitzeln: what filesystem did you create ?
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16:59<sznitzeln>ratboy, i tried both fat32 and ntfs
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17:01<sznitzeln>only the debian-live partition and a pre-existing partition that came with the usb
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17:05<ratboy>sznitzeln: on which drive are you creating the partition ?
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17:06<cusco>hi
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17:16<SynrG>sznitzeln: you formatted it with mkdosfs?
17:17<SynrG>(for fat32, at least)
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17:22<jhutchins_lt2>sznitzeln: Does it have a partition on it?
17:23<ballison>does anyone know how I can find the RFC for how the /etc/hosts names should be defined
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17:23<daemonkeeper>hosts(5)?
17:23<ballison>I just showed my box that if you put the wrong (short name) for a host after 127.0.0.1 and run hostname --long it returns the wrong thing.
17:24<ballison>and he said to show him to rfc where that was defined
17:24<daemonkeeper>hostname is not affiliated with /etc/hosts but /etc/hostname
17:24<ballison>daemonkeeper: incorrect
17:24<ballison>daemonkeeper: hostname --long reads /etc/hosts
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17:25<ballison>where do i find the RFC that defines how the hostsnames should be set in the /etc/hosts file?
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17:25<ballison>because longname should always come before shortname in the /etc/hosts file
17:25<daemonkeeper>You're right. Anyway hosts(5) is what you're looking for.
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17:27<jhutchins_lt2>ballison: I'm not sure there is one. MIT used to have an RFC repository, but hosts is used by multiple OSs and the usage isn't consistent.
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17:27<babilen>hell, even windows uses it :)
17:28<babilen>C:\SYSTEM\...\etc\hosts (or whatever)
17:28<ballison>jhutchins: well i use "hostname --long" in all my scripts and my boss just told me that that's not a standard or supported flag
17:28<daemonkeeper>Well, since Windows used the FreeBSD TCP stack this is not /such/ a surprise
17:28<daemonkeeper>Or was it NetBSD?
17:30<ballison>so I wanted to show him the RFC that showed if you put the hostnames correctly in the /etc/host file (long name first) that you can use hostname --long reliably.
17:30<ballison>daemonkeeper: what is "hosts(5)"? is that just a man page?
17:30<daemonkeeper>Yes, section 5.
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17:33<daemonkeeper>Oh, that man page also references the RFC you're looking for
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17:37<ballison>daemonkeeper: Yead I saw that - thanks. Although reading the RFC told me nothing about the order of the names in the /etc/hosts file :(
17:38<daemonkeeper>Right, because you confuse specification with implementation
17:38<daemonkeeper>For the implementation hosts(5) is significant.
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17:44<steve_>hey- how do i write a shell script when i can change the output on a line- like you know how aptitude will output words on a line and then output something else on that same line?
17:44<steve_>yanowhadidmean?
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17:45<daemonkeeper>awk/sed? Just guessing - unsure what you mean
17:45<LALALALASAS>;ALAL
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17:46<steve_>naw- this is a bad example, but say i wrote a dictionary attack script
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17:46<steve_>and i want to show just the word being tried
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17:46<steve_>and not output a bajillion lines
17:46<steve_>kinda like aptitude
17:47<daemonkeeper>A gaphical output?
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17:47<steve_>no
17:47<steve_>text
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17:47<steve_>like $aptitude install bitchx
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17:48<steve_>or wget- the like how the it shows completion
17:48<daemonkeeper>You mean the output which is not scrolling but replacing a line?
17:48<steve_>YES
17:49<daemonkeeper>Ah, well, this is programming language dependent. Generally you might want to try a carriage return instead of a full newline
17:50<steve_>how can i do that in python? or bash?
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17:51<daemonkeeper>Print a \r
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17:52<gohan4748>#fun
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17:58<gohan4748>#linode
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18:03-!-mode/#debian [+b gohan4748@*!*@*] by themill
18:03-!-mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill
18:03*themill glares at broken scripts
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18:05<tharkun>Gentlemen which C library do you recomend to handle large precision numbers?
18:05-!-mode/#debian [-b gohan4748@*!*@*] by themill
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18:05<daemonkeeper>What's wrong with GMP?
18:06-!-mode/#debian [+b gohan4748!*@*] by themill
18:06<daemonkeeper>That is, however, off-topic here.
18:06-!-mode/#debian [-b gohan4748@*!*@*] by themill
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18:07<tharkun>daemonkeeper: nothing wrong, but i am more used to crypto libraries which on this particular case are an overkill
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18:09<daemonkeeper>In C everything messing up with arbitrary precision data types is overkill
18:09<tharkun>lol . I stated that to the client and he still wants 1000 digit precision on his db
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18:10<daemonkeeper>But really, this is off-topic here, I guess themill is close to eat us.
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18:11<tharkun>daemonkeeper: point the bar and i'll join
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18:12<daemonkeeper>#debian-offtopic or any C programming language channel on Freenode. I'm on neither choice though :)
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18:12<tharkun>daemonkeeper: then there would be no use joining. </ot>
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18:14<tharkun>cat /usr/share/doc/libgmp3c2/README.Debian gives this link Please see http://www.swox.com/gmp/#DOC for the documentation. which in turn gives a 404
18:15<tharkun>Is that debian related or should i be prepared to part this channel asap ;P
18:15<daemonkeeper>haha, I think that's fine :o)
18:16<daemonkeeper>http://gmplib.org hosts the documentation, maybe this is a documentation bug for your problem.
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18:17<tharkun>daemonkeeper: thanks i'll download from that page
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18:23<jaleks>watch -n 20 sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/kmem bs=128 count=1 seek=$RANDOM
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18:25<daemonkeeper>If he did, what he indicated, no wonder he quits.
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19:17<wierd0{}>this is freenode ?
19:17<Tiff>does it say freenode?
19:17<wierd0{}>no
19:17<wierd0{}>you didn't answer my question
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19:19<babilen>wierd0{}: it is not. you are on OFTC
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19:20<meatymousse>anybody have any knowledge about the "twinkle" package? does it support encrypted file transfers or is it just audio? haven't seen much information specific to file transfers
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19:24<xguru>i installed debian testing via net install from a flash drive. At the end it asked to install grub and i installed it on a flash drive and not the MBR? Debian installed on the hard drive, but it seems it needs the flash drive to boot?
19:24<xguru>do i need to just install grub?
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19:29<wierd0{}>thank you babilen
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19:34<hpvincent>hi all, I get the following while trying to install python-simplejson : http://pastebin.com/eUq3L7N8 should I worry ?
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19:35<DrSampler>no
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19:36<DrSampler>hardly you need a -dev packed installed on your system, unless you're developer
19:36<themill>hpvincent: looks like you need to do an "aptitude safe-upgrade"
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19:37<hpvincent>themill, I am on testing, is testing still squeezy ?
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19:37<xguru>easy fix... 'grub-install /dev/sda' <---fix to question I asked earlier
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19:38<themill>hpvincent: the packages you have for python are older than the ones in squeeze. Are you sure you want to be running testing?
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19:40<hpvincent>themill, I do not understand what you mean, my python packages are marked squeeze
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19:41<themill>hpvincent: they are not what is currently in squeeze, however.
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19:41<hpvincent>themill, ok, I didn't update my system in about 2 months indeed
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19:41<themill>hpvincent: given that you are evidently not comfortable with debian package management, you really should think twice about running testing. Straight after a release is a really bad time to be running testing.
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19:42<themill>Your life might be much more peaceful if you stick with squeeze for a while.
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19:42<hpvincent>themill, ok so squeeze is stable ?
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19:43<daemonkeeper>It is
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19:43<hpvincent>my problem is that when I installed this system, squeeze was testing I believe
19:43<hpvincent>so I guess I should change my apt sources to go to stable ?
19:44<themill>yes. If you just make sure you have "squeeze" in your sources.list and not "testing" or "stable", you'll end up with squeeze, if you've not upgraded for a ocuple of months
19:44<daemonkeeper>If you are sure you didn't upgrade since it was released this works.
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19:44<hpvincent>ok thanks
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19:46<debiannn>here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s01.html.en at 2.1.1 it says debian support ELEVEN major distributions but if you count the left column there are ten
19:46<themill>hpvincent: not "stable", "squeeze".
19:46<themill>!stable sources.list
19:46*themill kicks dpkg
19:46<dpkg>Despite the fact previous installers, countless websites and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list will tell you to do this, do *not* use "stable" in your sources.list; use the release code name instead (e.g. "lenny" or "squeeze"). Upgrading between releases is no longer trivial; make sure you read the <release notes> and ask me about <etch->lenny>, <lenny->squeeze>, <testing sources.list>.
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19:47<hpvincent>ok, much better, thanks themill and daemonkeeper , it's now working
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20:02<sn1persx>whats good program to change pryies?
20:02<sn1persx>*proxies
20:03<winsen>hello everybody
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20:03<sn1persx>hallo
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20:03<winsen>please, how can i see youtube in debian?
20:03<winsen>thank you
20:04<winsen>are there someone?
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20:05<sn1persx>nope i suck at this in new
20:06<sn1persx>bye got to go
20:06<BlakBat>hello
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20:16<babilen>winsen: I guess that you want to install 'flashplugin-nonfree' -- see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
20:16<babilen>!non-free
20:16<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
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20:16<babilen>!contrib
20:16<dpkg>[contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compatible software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>.
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20:17<babilen>winsen: You also want to enable "contrib" in order to be able to install it. "aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree" should get you the flash plugin then
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20:18<winsen><babilen>thanks for answer, yes i did , thank you its ok, now i can not lister music to deezer
20:18<babilen>wonderful -- so you solved it on your own?
20:18<winsen>can you help me?
20:18<babilen>ah .. what is the problem?
20:19<winsen>i can not listen musin in deezer
20:19<babilen>what is deezer?
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20:20<winsen>it remùaind fixed
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20:21<babilen>what?
20:21<winsen>deezer doesn't work
20:21<Khaatio>it remained fixed
20:21<winsen><Khaatio>thank you
20:21<Khaatio>no thank you
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20:22<Khaatio>i can't english
20:22<babilen>Khaatio: yes, i still don't understand the combination of "deezer doesn't work" and "it remained fixed" (fixed as in working)
20:22<babilen>I am also not sure what "deezer" is
20:22<Khaatio>i'm trying to install lenny on qemu 0.11
20:22<daemonkeeper>Looks like yalastfmclone
20:23<Khaatio>it doesn't work with kqemu
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20:23<Khaatio>without kqemu, it works welll
20:23<Khaatio>but very slow
20:24<babilen>daemonkeeper: yes, i've finally searched for it. well, I have no idea what it takes to make it work.
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20:24<Khaatio>babilen doesn't work
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20:24<Khaatio>because he has no job
20:25<babilen>Khaatio: You might want to take a look at kvm and/or virtualbox
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20:25<daemonkeeper>babilen: If Flash is working at all, iceweasel sometimes screws up the audio output configuration, e.g. see /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc
20:26<winsen>may somebody has solution?
20:26<daemonkeeper>winsen: We are not entirely sure about your problem
20:26<babilen>daemonkeeper: I will not start working on that now. Have a good night an see you tomorrow :)
20:27<daemonkeeper>Good night :)
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20:28<winsen><daemonkeeper>hello, my problem is , deezr doesn't work , can you help to make it works?
20:29<winsen>deezer
20:29<daemonkeeper>winsen: So far we understood. However it is not entirely clear to us, what you mean by "doesn't work". You asked about the flash plugin before which seems to work now?
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20:31<winsen>yes exact, i asked for flash plugin to make it work, i hope so
20:31<daemonkeeper>Now what? Flash works or not?
20:31<winsen>no
20:32<daemonkeeper>Did you follow babilen's instructions?
20:32<winsen>i doesn't
20:32<winsen>you mean for youtube?
20:32<winsen>yes i did
20:32<daemonkeeper>No, scroll up. babilen told you how to install the package flashplugin-nonfree
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20:33<winsen>i did it
20:34<daemonkeeper>You installed the package flashplugin-nonfree successfully?
20:34<winsen>i said, i can see flv in youtube, but i can not listning music in deezer
20:34<winsen>yes i did
20:34<daemonkeeper>Well, do you hear sound in general?
20:35<winsen>yes
20:35<winsen>yes i do
20:35<daemonkeeper>Even for Youtube?
20:35<winsen>yes i do
20:35<daemonkeeper>So only Deezer does not work?
20:36<winsen>but i don't in deezer
20:36<daemonkeeper>Tried to unmute the Deezer player then %-)
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20:36<winsen>sorry didn't understand, how can i do it?
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20:37<daemonkeeper>Did you make sure, the audio is not muted on the channel?
20:39<daemonkeeper>Also neither I do hear anything on Deezer, but the site is reloading all the time. I don't know about Deezer though, so I don't know how this is /supposed/ to work, seems to be screwed up right now. Maybe someone can confirm?
20:40<winsen>i am listning right now for youtube, it works perfectly
20:41<daemonkeeper>Yes, as said, I believe the site is broken right now, you want to hear.
20:43<cthuluh>winsen: given that right now, everything goes perfectly, would you mind answering the questions I asked you in /query?
20:43<winsen>no, it works perfectly in winxp right now
20:43<cthuluh>really, really cool
20:44<winsen>yes but i am in debian squeeze
20:44<cthuluh>it doesn't change anything to what I've said earlier
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20:46<winsen><cthuluh>sorry, i d'dn't se
20:47<winsen>you're speaking about what ?
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20:47<cthuluh>winsen: I asked you questions, using private messages
20:48<winsen>well
20:48<cthuluh>winsen: you should have a window opened in your irc client
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20:52<Chrono>hello guys! Did anyone know how to change from arm to armel using apt?
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21:07<Khaatio>debian should enrich the document written in japanese
21:08<Khaatio>the document written in english is too difficult for me
21:08<Khaatio>muzukasii yo!
21:08<daemonkeeper>Debian is a community based distribution
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21:09<daemonkeeper>This means, every documentation is written by voluntary users
21:09<daemonkeeper>So ask your fellows for help
21:10<Khaatio>then the volunteers should translate
21:10<daemonkeeper>Of course :)
21:10<daemonkeeper>!jp
21:10<dpkg>somebody said jp was Japan
21:10<daemonkeeper>gna, no japanese channel?
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21:10<sney>www.kmuto.jp is the japanese debian headquarters, afaik
21:10<daemonkeeper>You see, a lot of work for you :)
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21:11<Khaatio>ok ill go there
21:12<daemonkeeper>sney: You mean Kenshi _is_ the Japanese community? ;)
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21:12<sney>he's the most vocal part of it, anyway. and the only japanese Notable Debian Developer to the best of my knowledge
21:13<daemonkeeper>Can't tell another honestly.
21:15<Chrono>guys, when i do apt-get update it searches for a arm architecture. how to say dpkg for searchinf for armel instead?
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21:17<sney>Chrono: you should probably ask in #debian-arm
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21:40<Gh057x>jhg
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22:29<reklipz>Hey folks! I
22:29<sney>dropped your keyboard?
22:29<reklipz>pinky slip
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22:30<sney>that or the reptoids got you
22:30<reklipz>I'm trying to push to a gitosis hosted git repository via a remote machine. Gitosis requires public key auth. I don't trust the remote machine. Would it be wise for me to create a new public key pair for this machine to use for the gitosis access?
22:31<sney>definitely paranoid, but probably wise
22:31<reklipz>That is, I'm ssh'd to a remote (untrusted) machine, and I want to git push from that machine.
22:31<reklipz>(to some other host)
22:32<reklipz>I could use ssh agent forwarding, but the remote isn't configured to allow that (and I don't know how to enable it, easily).
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22:32<reklipz>I could create a key pair on the remote, and use that for access, but then I don't know how secure that machine is, so lets assume root will take my private key.
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22:33<reklipz>If I passphrase the key pair, is that providing the security I need?
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22:37<reklipz>nevermind, got ssh agent forwarding to work...
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22:57<richiefrich>yo yo
22:57<richiefrich>im trying to install debian squeeze from the netinstaller and i get that the mirror doesnt support it
22:57<sney>try a different mirror
22:57<richiefrich>i did
22:57<richiefrich> wget -q http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release -O - | grep -E '(Suite|Codename)'
22:57<richiefrich>its running this command
22:58<richiefrich>and when i run it
22:58<richiefrich>Suite: stable
22:58<richiefrich>Codename: squeeze
22:58<richiefrich>i get tyhat but it fails from the installer
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