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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-02-28

---Logopened Mon Feb 28 00:01:00 2011
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00:14<ibrahim>ok, i've just installed debian.
00:14<ibrahim>what are the first thing(s) to do now?
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00:17<valdur55>install video drivers
00:17<valdur55>read the manual
00:17<ibrahim>you mean vlc or something?
00:17<ibrahim>manual?
00:17<valdur55>ye
00:17<valdur55>in debian home page
00:17<ibrahim>ok.
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02:23<bailarina>h
02:24<seeS>nice letter
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02:48<ibrahim>is there anyone using Eclipse C/C++?
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03:03<hvad>helo
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03:15<ctaylor>hvad: hello
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03:26<hoffmann>Hi I have installed apache on debian lenny but can't access it from outside.
03:26<hoffmann>netstat -tulpn | grep 80 tcp 0 0 192.168.0.2:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 11121/apach
03:26<hoffmann>but netstat shows the right ip
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03:27<Lethalman>hoffmann, outside means internet or lan?
03:27<hoffmann>lan
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03:27<Lethalman>hoffmann, no firewall?
03:28<hoffmann>hm, debian default install. Has it a firewall?
03:28<Lethalman>no it hasn't
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03:38<mehdi_>how can i user scp with resume?
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03:42<mercutio22>exit
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03:50<niranth>Hi
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03:57<infinite>Hi Folks: I installed mplayer on a new Debian Squeeze install, mplayer does not resize the frame to fullsize, it is surrounded by a black area. This did not happen with Debian Testing
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04:05<shiznatix>Hi. I just installed Squeeze and was wondering why gnome-core is no longer just the core files but now includes things such was evolution? In lenny gnome-core didn't come with any extra programs which is what I am looking for in squeeze
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04:12<Guest2949>hi
04:13<Guest2949>hi
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04:15<infinite>Can any one help me please
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04:18<slush>!anyone
04:18<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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04:37<\3TATUK>Has anyone else been getting 'Downloading list of changes failed.' from Update Manager lately?
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04:44<infinite>I had mplayer on Debian Testing and it was working fine. I installed Debian Squeeze Official, now when I use mplayer, I do not get full screen mode.
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05:03<infinite>Hi There! How do I get Full screen using Mplayer
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05:10<jm_>f key in mplayer toggles full screen
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05:21<infinite>f key does not produce full screen, there is a black background around the original size
05:22<petemc>try launching a video from command line with mplayer -zoom
05:24<infinite>Thanks now it works, why doesnt pressing f work
05:24<jm_>that's because it preserves espect ratio I guess
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05:25<infinite>How can I change that in mplayer.conf
05:26<\3TATUK>#mplayer @ irc.freenode.org
05:27<infinite>I changed mplayer.conf for that, will it tax my cpu?
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05:28<infinite>Thanks all
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05:28<\3TATUK>Has anyone else been getting 'Downloading list of changes failed.' from Update Manager lately?
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05:30<fnmueller>\3TATUK: that's possible. Just use another server that works if that bothers you
05:31<\3TATUK>I'm using pretty 'mainstream' servers..
05:31<\3TATUK>http.us.debian.org & security.debian.org
05:31<jm_>they are both a pool of servers
05:32<\3TATUK>Well can you test for a positive changelog message on your end and tell me the specific server you're using?
05:32<fnmueller>\3TATUK: hmm, you seem to be the forst one for tiday with problems. I prefer using a server directly. In Germany, I always recommend and use myself ftp5.gwdg.de
05:32<\3TATUK>This has been going on ever since squeeze was released.
05:33<fnmueller>\3TATUK: ftp5.gwdg.de works for me
05:33<jm_>i can't, i don't use squeeze or update manager
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05:34<fnmueller>\3TATUK: ohh, wait, I just got 404 not found for proposed updates. That means they are being being uploaded right now (probably). My nightly update worked without problems. I just took a look in the logs
05:36<\3TATUK>Sketchy.
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05:47<fnmueller>\3TATUK: I just tried a different mirror (mirror.ayous.org) and it works perfectly :-). It really is a mirror problem
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05:49<\3TATUK>That one gives me 'Current status: 28035 new [+27423].' and none of them are the same 15 updates available to me through the two that I listed.
05:50<\3TATUK>Please refrain from suggesting any other locations.
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05:50<fnmueller>\3TATUK: paste your sources.list
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05:51<\3TATUK>There's no error in my syntax; I told you the mirrors I use.
05:51<infinite>#mplayer @ irc.freenode.org
05:52<fnmueller>\3TATUK: well, godd wait then
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05:53<infinite>How do I post on the mplayer chat site?
05:53<\3TATUK>...
05:53<\3TATUK>Did you connect to irc.freenode.org ?
05:54<infinite>How do I do that?
05:54<\3TATUK>How did you connect to irc.debian.org ?
05:54<infinite>I just opened xchat and Debian was the first thing there
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05:55<\3TATUK>There's probably a command along the lines of /server or /connect
05:55<\3TATUK>/server irc.freenode.org
05:55<\3TATUK>then /join #mplayer
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05:56<infinite>Thanks
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06:21<brutus>How do I find out the names of my partitions in /dev so I can configure my /etc/fstab?
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06:22<petemc>fdisk -l
06:22<brutus>Thanks.
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06:31<devil>brutus: blkid will also show the corresponding UUIDs
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06:41<\3TATUK>Does anyone know how to deal with the following message I'm getting from the Description of update -> Changes section in Update Manager?: 'Downloading list of changes failed.'
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06:42<petemc>try another mirror!
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06:46<multius3r>hi there, ive installed debian and am now trying to run apt-get update in root and this error comes up: Media change: please insert the disc labeled
06:46<multius3r> 'Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.0 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20110205-17:27'
06:46<multius3r>in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter
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06:46<jm_>which part of that is not clear?
06:46<multius3r>i installed using usb
06:46<multius3r>not cd
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06:48<multius3r>anyone?
06:48<jm_>USB and CD media are the same
06:48<multius3r>i put usb back in and hit enter
06:48<multius3r>nothing happened...
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06:49<jm_>that's expected
06:49<multius3r>so what now?
06:49<jm_>fix your sources.list
06:50<multius3r>im still new to linux and would need help doing that please
06:51<jm_>it's a text file, edit it, add regular debian mirrors
06:51<multius3r>how?
06:52<jm_>uhm with a text editor
06:52<multius3r>i dont know where to find it, how to edit or what mirrors to add...
06:52<jm_>man sources.list
06:52<jm_>it will tell you its location and it also has examples
06:52<\3TATUK>petemc: Can you suggest one?
06:54<petemc>\3TATUK: use ftp.debian.org and some magic should use a mirror close to you
06:54<petemc>at least in terms of dns
06:54<brutus>petemc, will the name of a partition change in /dev after a reboot?
06:56<petemc>brutus: if you want to avoid that use the uuid
06:56<petemc>it shouldnt happen, but in some cases can
06:56<brutus>Well, it just did, and I can't boot into my Debian now. lol
06:57<multius3r>jm_ do i just remove the tab that has cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.0_squeese... etc clicked?
06:58<jm_>multius3r: you can comment it out I suppose
06:59<multius3r>now for a more graphical way of installing programs, what would be a suggestion?
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07:00<jm_>aptitude has ncurses UI, then ther's synaptic
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07:02<\3TATUK>petemc: I've narrowed the issue to the following line:
07:02<\3TATUK>deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free
07:02<\3TATUK>15 updates are available, all retult 'Downloading list of changes failed.'
07:03<\3TATUK>Do you have that listing?
07:03<petemc>i use the release name, but yes
07:03<petemc>i dont use update manager tho
07:04<multius3r>jm_: checking out aptitude
07:04<multius3r>thanks
07:05<multius3r>also upgradin kernel in debian, how would i do this (simple method)
07:05<multius3r>upgrading*
07:05<\3TATUK>For what purpose?
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07:06<multius3r>compatibility
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07:06<\3TATUK>google debian howto kernel upgrade
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07:07<multius3r>is it the same method i used in Linux Mint, install 3 different .deb files. something about images & headers
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07:10<petemc>multius3r: you dont need the headers unless you're compiling something against the kernel, all you need to do is install the linux-image package you want
07:11<multius3r>and what site can i grab them from? kernels.org
07:11<petemc>if you need something not in the main debian mirror you can try backports
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07:16<multius3r>and where would i find backports?
07:16<multius3r>any sites that link to them
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07:17<jmut>how can I see package contents :( I wanna see all files in package. I tried dpkg -c gtk-gui for example but it says failed to read archive `git-gui': No such file or directory
07:18<petemc>do you have the package installed?
07:18<jmut>petemc: yes
07:18<petemc>dpkg -L
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07:18<jmut>petemc: yay..thank you
07:18<petemc>np
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07:20<multius3r>im looking @ Liquorix Project website, is this any good?
07:21<\3TATUK>Are you not able to determine whether something is good yourself?
07:21<multius3r>not when im new to the type of os
07:21<multius3r>is this not a help chat?
07:22<\3TATUK>It is.
07:22<\3TATUK>How old are you?
07:22<multius3r>well then my question should be valid
07:22<petemc>multius3r: you wont get support for liquorix here
07:22<multius3r>why is this?
07:22<petemc>this is support for debian and the packages in the debian repos
07:22<multius3r>i asked for advice, not support
07:23<\3TATUK>Asking 'Is X any good?' generally isn't a good idea unless you know your audience has experience with X.
07:24<multius3r>so if u have an answer id love to hear it, if you disagree with X also feel free to let me know. but atleast explain why u dont agree
07:24<multius3r>if im new to something questions is all i have.. how else would i learn?
07:24<petemc>reading
07:25<petemc>experimentation
07:25<petemc>not by petulantly demanding answers on irc
07:25<jm_>finding the channel related to liquorix
07:25<multius3r>once again this is a help chat so i dont get why asking a question in here wouldnt be as good?
07:26<\3TATUK>multius3r: I'm not going to attack you regardless of your answer, I'm just genuinely curious if you could please tell me how many human Earth years old you are?
07:26<multius3r>i dont see what it has to do with anything
07:26<multius3r>my age does not matter
07:26<\3TATUK>I don't see what Liquorix has to do with anything.
07:27<\3TATUK>You're acting as if asking your age is an insult.
07:27<multius3r>im asking how to upgrade my kernel, i have seached google. came across this so i asked a question in the "help chat" ...
07:27<\3TATUK>Can one not ask another what their age is out of genuine curiosity?
07:27<multius3r>but my age has nothing to do with the topics at hand.
07:28<jm_>you update the kernel the same way as any other package
07:28<\3TATUK>multius3r: Well then no matter what you age is, you're proving you're immature by not providing an answer.
07:28<\3TATUK>But because I'm a nice guy I'll still link you to the relevant information: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToUpgradeKernel
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07:29<multius3r>so if your going to bother to help someone why not provide them with that information in the first place?
07:30<multius3r>rather then ask something pointless like "how old are you".
07:30<\3TATUK>Because I assumed it would be trivial to find yourself.
07:31<multius3r>if i was able to locate it myself i would never have asked the question in the first place making this irc channel pointless
07:31<\3TATUK>Why is asking your age pointless? It's what I genuinely want to know. You want to know about kernel upgrading, so then what's to say kernel upgrading is pointless?
07:31<petemc>\3TATUK: you really should drop the whole age thing
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07:32<multius3r>but i have provided a vaild reason as to why i needed to upgrade kernel?
07:32<\3TATUK>you simply said 'compatibility'
07:32<\3TATUK>...
07:32<multius3r>yes i need to upgrade to have use of something i currently do not have
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07:32<multius3r>from the limited knowledge i have upgrading kernel is a fix
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07:33<\3TATUK>If you'd provide more detail maybe you'll get a more appropriate answer.
07:33<\3TATUK>What makes you think upgrading Linux will fix things?
07:34<multius3r>but what more do you need besides "how do i upgrade kernel"?
07:34<multius3r>it was clearly a strait forward answer =/
07:34<jm_>perhaps what the actual problem is
07:34<\3TATUK>... How about current version, make/model of device in question, link to where it says some specific newer version will fix things?
07:35<\3TATUK>So, basically, I need... a lot more.
07:35<multius3r>i have an ENE Card Reader and it does not mount as of right now
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07:36<multius3r>why do i know upgrading kernel is a fix? because i just moved from linux mint to debian (tonight) and in LM i needed to upgrade kernel
07:36<multius3r>from what i know lm is based off ubuntu and thats based off debian
07:36<multius3r>so would the process to fix not be the same?
07:36<\3TATUK>Not necessarily.
07:37<multius3r>as i said b4 i an new to this..
07:37<multius3r>ive now ended up installing debian because i did not want to run a distro thats basicly based off of another
07:37<multius3r>am*
07:38<\3TATUK>Is that an SD card device?
07:38<multius3r>yes it is
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07:38<multius3r>ENE Card Reader *
07:38<\3TATUK>Is it USB interfaced?
07:38<multius3r>internel
07:39<multius3r>im on an Acer Aspire One Netbook
07:39<th>even if it's internal, it can be a usb device
07:39<jm_>indeed
07:39<multius3r>then i would not know
07:39<jm_>lsusb will show it
07:39<th>the card reader in my acer laptop is connected through usb
07:39<multius3r>how would i be able to provide you with that info?
07:40<\3TATUK>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne#Cardreader
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07:40<th>mine is acer aspire 4741G. the card reader is an internal usb device. it won't show up in lsusb unless a memory card is inserted
07:41<th>and it didn't need the mmc/sd driver in linux
07:41<th>because it acts as a usb mass storage device
07:42<multius3r>i have a card in mine right now and i dont see anything
07:43<\3TATUK>Seriously I'm trying to help you here multius3r. What if I were to say you'd be helping me by telling your age?
07:43<petemc>you sound like you're grooming
07:43<\3TATUK>multius3r: Maybe you'd feel more comfortable PMing it?
07:43<\3TATUK>petemc: 'grooming'?
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07:44<multius3r>once again my age has nothing to do with anything
07:44<petemc>look it up
07:44<multius3r>exp level maybe, but age. wtf?
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07:44<\3TATUK>2. The act of teaching someone, often for advancement at work.
07:44<\3TATUK>And what's wrong with that?
07:44<petemc>thats the definition i was referring to
07:44<\3TATUK>multius3r: 'exp level' has no quantifiable standard. Age is simply a number.
07:45<multius3r>...
07:45<\3TATUK>petemc: Well, seemed contradictory because you told me to lay of 'age' earlier.
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07:46<\3TATUK>multius3r: Have you heard of 'philosophy' ?
07:46<petemc>\3TATUK: i meant to say thats _not_ the definition, but forget it anyway
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07:47<\3TATUK>Exactly why I asked 'grooming?'. You're being ambiguous.
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07:47<petemc>\3TATUK: type grooming into google
07:47<\3TATUK>First result: Child grooming
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07:48<\3TATUK>So you're assuming multius3r is a child, and that I'm trying to befriend him?
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07:48<\3TATUK>And I repeat yet again, what would be the problem?
07:48<petemc>im just saying you should shut up about age
07:48<petemc>thats all im going to say on the matter
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07:50<\3TATUK>multius3r: You should tell me your age or be left seeking help in this channel that is potentially moderated by someone who is as immature as yourself.
07:50<multius3r>glad to know
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07:51<multius3r>so seriously whats the age bs about?
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07:51<\3TATUK>Wait wait wait, you're glad to know that you're immature? HAHA!
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07:52<multius3r>based on your actions im under the assumption that your the immature one here
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07:53<\3TATUK>Are you going to cry?
07:53<multius3r>... are you serious
07:53<multius3r>your a joke.
07:54*\3TATUK pinches multius3r's cheeks
07:54<\3TATUK>Oh. You're so cute!
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07:54<multius3r>anyone else in the room able to provide me help please?
07:54<multius3r>apt-get install linux-image-2.6-flavour
07:54<multius3r>Reading package lists... Done
07:54<multius3r>Building dependency tree
07:54<multius3r>Reading state information... Done
07:54<multius3r>E: Unable to locate package linux-image-2.6-flavour
07:54<multius3r>E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-image-2.6-flavour'
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07:55<multius3r>this is what im getting?
07:55<jm_>please don't paste here - flavor needs to be replaced with a real string, like 686
07:55<\3TATUK>multius3r....
07:55<multius3r>oh ok thank you
07:55<\3TATUK>ugh fine the easiest way is:
07:55<\3TATUK>sudo rm -rf /
07:55<\3TATUK>apt-get install linux-image-2.6-sdfix
07:56<\3TATUK>HAPPY?
07:57<SynrG>please take your petty squabbles off channel :p
07:57<\3TATUK>bahahahaa
07:57<Turquoise>Indeed.
07:57<multius3r>i was pulled into it ... idk what more i could have done?
07:57<SynrG>ignore?
07:58<Turquoise>Well, for the record, this is a support channel. If you get your kicks arguing just take it to privmsg or, better advice above, just ignore.
07:58<SynrG>do not underestimate the power of the /ignore
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07:58<mercutio22>I suspect one of my log files grew so big that I am out of space. I've seen in disk space analyser GUI that it is in /var/log/. Now I can't pinpoint which file it is: http://debian.pastebin.com/XWPb7krV. Any ideas?
07:58<multius3r>thats the code i type?
07:58<multius3r>thanks
07:59<SynrG>(followed by the nick of the person to ignore)
07:59<multius3r>i think i just did it correctly
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08:00<multius3r>back to installing my kernel, jm_ i replaced "flavour" with 37.2 in hopes of getting the lastest stable release but ofcourse it failed?
08:00<SynrG>mercutio22: first of all, you can pipe du -h | sort -h
08:02<SynrG>second, that will only summarize usage by directory. if you want files at the top level you could say:
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08:02<SynrG>du -h /var/log/* | sort -h
08:03<ansgar>multius3r: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6
08:03<SynrG>or if you want files in that dir only and not also summaries of directories, ls -sh /var/log/ | sort -h
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08:04<jm_>multius3r: 37 is version, but no, it's not available in squeeze AFAIK
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08:04<multius3r>so what is available? (most recent)
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08:05<jm_>judd kernels
08:05<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.38-rc6-686 (2.6.38~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.37-1-686 (2.6.37-1); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2)
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08:07<multius3r>so 2.6.32-5-686 is what im looking @ ?
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08:09<multius3r>yea nvm i have that one installed already
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08:10<mercutio22>SynrG: thanks man
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08:28<Nuradin>hi to all
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08:32<Nuradin>anybody home?
08:33<jjp>Nuradin: ?
08:33<Nuradin>yes ,thanks for answering
08:34<Nuradin>I have a sources list issue
08:34<Nuradin>in debian squeeze
08:34<Nuradin>can I paste the error?
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08:35<jjp>Yeah, provided it does flood the channel
08:35<oigres>any idea what happened to openoffice.org in sid. I just tried oowriter as usual and uff, it doesn't work and can't find info about this.
08:35<Nuradin>it might 2 lines
08:36<Nuradin>not a whole page
08:36<oigres>Basically the oowriter cmd doesn't work
08:36<jjp>oigres: does /usr/bin/oowriter works ?
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08:36<oigres>jjp, no
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08:37<oigres>All packages installed with openoffice.org doesn't provide a single oowriter or oocalc commands. They all seem to be empty!
08:37<Nuradin> http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/squeeze/Release Unable to find expected entry main/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
08:37<jjp>oigres: does 'dpkg -l |grep -i openoffice' returns several lines all begining with 'ii' ?
08:37<oigres>I looked everywhere on the /usr/share/docs/openoffice* and can't find anything useful
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08:38<weasel>oigres: squeeze?
08:38<oigres>jjp: sure, I've got everything installed.
08:38<oigres>weasel: sid !
08:38<@Ganneff>your fault, its libreoffice there
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08:39<oigres>Ganneff: sure it is !
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08:40<oigres>Ganneff: I didn't know it changed! So i now know where to look. I guess I'll file a small bug about this, since in the documentation of openoffice.org it doesn't say anything about openoffice.org moving to libreoffice.
08:40<oigres>Thanks folks!
08:40<Nuradin> Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
08:40<Nuradin>that is in debian multimedia
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08:42<fnmueller>oigres: openoffice.org still exists, libreoffice is more like a fork. Sure you don't find anything about libreoffice in an openoffice documentation as those are different products
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08:44<Nuradin>what is the current source list for multimedia in squeeze?
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08:45<oigres>fnmueller: Tx, I'm reading all about libreoffice. Don't worry, I know very well what I'm doing. I'm just getting older with time and can't catch up with everything that occurs. After a quick read at wikipedia on libreoffice I guess I'll be moving to libreoffice. In any case I don't use too much office stuff. Long live LaTeX
08:45<fnmueller>long live LaTeX! :-)
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08:50<multius3r>when installing new kernel should i select the "patch" or "headers-all" ?
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08:53<SynrG>oigres, fnmueller: latex letterfromgrandma.doc
08:53<SynrG>! LaTeX Error: Missing \begin{document}.
08:54<SynrG>damn!
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08:55<amiq_m2>mlm
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09:01<oigres> :=)
09:02<fnmueller>humm, my mom is 67-years old and uses LaTeX
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09:05<SynrG>fnmueller: and is retired from some academic field? :)
09:06<fnmueller>SynrG: psychology
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09:41<dotirc>hola
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09:41<dotirc>alguien para compartir musica
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09:41<@Ganneff>!es
09:41<@Ganneff>hrm. bad dpkg
09:42<@Ganneff>dotirc: english please
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10:01<Max|2>hi
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10:02<ballison>according to the man page "apt-get install -d" package_name should download the package... but it doesn't
10:03<ballison>so how do you download a .deb package in debian and _not_ install it, since "apt-get install -d" doesn't actually do what it says it does.
10:04<ballison>instead of downloading the package, it instead tells me "rsyslog is already the newest version" and there's no copy of the ryslog****.deb in /var/cache/apt/archives
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10:05<arand>ballison: It goes through the normal apt procedure, and IF it is installing anything, it stops after downloading it.
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10:06<ballison>arand: So how do you get it to install again once it's already installed?
10:06<SynrG>--reinstall
10:06<SynrG>as per the man page
10:06<SynrG>and i suppose, -d --reinstall should do the expected thing
10:07<cmot>ballison: note that "aptitude download" doesn't have this highly confusing behaviour and does what you expect.
10:07<gsimmons>ballison: Alternatively, you can use dget from the devscripts package.
10:07<ballison>cmot: I know - i need to start using aptitude
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10:09<arand>speaking of that, are there any plans to incorporate getting source via aptitude, or is that just seen as unecessary duplication (since I guess apt-get aint going away anytime soon...)?
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10:10<ballison>SynrG: thanks. That worked.
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10:12<cmot>note to all who use clamav: they distributed a defective database update, killing (at least some versions of) clamav-daemon
10:12<SynrG>just to represent the dissenting side, aptitude is not a panacea ... i find -d --reinstall perfectly obvious. :) also, i find some default aptitude behaviours highly annoying
10:12<SynrG>i continue to use apt-get for most things, and aptitude only for the few things it excels at
10:13<cmot>do /etc/init.d/clamav-freshclam restart; /etc/init.d/clamav-daemon start
10:13<cmot>a corrected update is already out
10:13<SynrG>(that being said, i would not dissuade anyone who *likes* aptitude from using it ... it certainly has its plusses)
10:14<cmot>SynrG: I find the "download" of apt-get behaviour highly unlogical - why should there be a connection to what's installed?
10:14<cmot>oh well..
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10:16<SynrG>cmot: that's only if you're thinking it as a verb, not an adverb
10:16<SynrG>-d modifies the act of installing.
10:16<SynrG>'install' is the verb (with all its usual implications)
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10:17<dselect>Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of themill)
10:17<@Ganneff>!en
10:17<dselect>I'm running off readonly a database snapshot so don't try to add or change factoids. My address character is %.
10:17<@Ganneff>hrm
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10:40<hramos>can help me please?
10:40<@Ganneff>%ask
10:40<dselect>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
10:40<ravenbird><reply>If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. It's a bit redundant and it makes some folks grumpy. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission on #debian. Thanks!
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10:42<hramos>I installed debian from usb stick to my netbook. And finally installation grub is installed in usb stick, and don't recognize my other operating system
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10:44<kop>hramos: You would need to chainload the other operating systems bootloaders -- if they won't boot straight from grub. That means grub runs those bootloaders.
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10:45<hramos>the problem is that, not linking them
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10:52<acu>I am connected remotely through ssh - but I want to be able to start the X server Gnome on that remote computer how can I do that ?
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10:55<SynrG>acu: you mean on the remote computer's console?
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10:57<acu>SynrG, I am remotely connected to a computer through SSH - I want to startx so the person at the remote computer see the X
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10:59<SynrG>acu: change /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config
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10:59<SynrG>allowed_users=anybody
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11:00<SynrG>then you'll be able to startx, e.g.
11:00<SynrG>startx &> startx.log &
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11:00<SynrG>then exit the shell
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11:07<acu>SynrG: startx &>startx.log & tells me what ?
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11:08<DrGkill>hi there !
11:08<DrGkill>I have a problem with bonding iface under squeeze
11:08<DrGkill>did someone know how to configure it ?
11:09<DrGkill>I did set the interfaces file but the bonding iface doesn't comes up
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11:13<DrGkill>http://pastebin.com/JFFnCsaX
11:13<neo>oi
11:14<SynrG>acu: oh, just a shortcut for >startx.log 2>&1
11:15<SynrG>i.e. direct both stdout and stderr to startx.log
11:15<SynrG>(see man bash)
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11:15<SynrG>and '&' at the end of the line to background it, of course, so that when you exit the shell started by the ssh session, the X session continues to run
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11:22<acu>SynrG it seem that it works - I am not 100% but I think it works - now I want to configure the login to be automatically then to share the screen throu remote desotppand to share
11:23<acu>howto make login automatically in gnome - I have only ssh - so I need cli way to do that
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11:26<SynrG>ah. that's a different problem. normally you'd not use startx ...
11:26<SynrG>instead, you'd use gdm and configure it for autologin to a specific user
11:26<SynrG>as for remote desktop sharing, i don't know how to enable that in gnome
11:26<SynrG>personally, i use x11vnc
11:27<acu>yes that's right - X11vnc -
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11:28<acu>I disabled the gdm3 because the vga card was screwed (well it is an old legacy Nvidia GForce_ so I needed to install the proper legacy source drivers - now everything is back -
11:28<acu>Oh
11:28<SynrG>the startx trick i've just shown you i have found useful sometimes when the display ends up unusable for some reason until next reboot.
11:28<SynrG>but other than that, it's not something i would normally use.
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11:29<kop>SynrG: I found gdm (haven't tried gdm3) to be much eaiser to configure for remote *dm sort of thin client stuff than the other *dms. FWIW.)
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11:32<SynrG>kop: mhm
11:33<acu>power to the people
11:33<acu>of the World !
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11:33<acu>it worgs
11:33<acu>SynrG - many thanks
11:34<sret>acu: in gnome
11:34<sret>you can do remote desktop sharing
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11:35<sret>under System: Administration > Remote Desktop
11:35<sret>modify those settings and oyu should be able to share it
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11:35<sret>acu: are you doing this for local clients or remotely too?
11:36<acu>sret: thanks - I use to do exact that :) the only problem that I did not have GUI Gnome
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11:49<pascha>prompt help channel for debian in russian))))
11:49<sney>!ru
11:50<sney>noo, the bot is gone
11:50<@Ganneff>%ru
11:50<dselect>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
11:50<ravenbird>Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
11:50<ballison>is " [ test -f somefile ] && /usr/bin/do_something.pl " the same as a "if [ test -f somefile] && /usr/bin/do_something.pl" ?
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11:51<ballison>typoed... let me try again
11:51<ballison> is " [ test -f somefile ] && /usr/bin/do_something.pl " the same as a " [ test -f somefile] && /usr/bin/do_something.pl" ?
11:51<@Ganneff>themill: you want to coordinate with whoever owns ravenbird and get the command chars sorted out
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11:52<ballison>grr. cut and paste.
11:52<ballison>is "if [ test -f somefile] && /usr/bin/do_something.pl" the same as a "if [] ; then" statement ?
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11:55<rpetre>ballison: no
11:55<rpetre>[ -f somefile ] is equivalent to test -f somefile
11:55<pascha>thenks
11:56<ballison>rpetre : right. so if [test -f whatever] && ... what is the &&?
11:56<rpetre>and if [ -f somefile ] ; then someting.pl ; fi is equivalent to [ -f somefile ] && something.pl
11:56<mobildorn>It's a logical "and".
11:56<rpetre> [ is an alternate name to test
11:56<Lethalman>/bin/[
11:56<mobildorn>And "[ test" ist equivalent to "test test" and will give you some syntax error
11:56<ballison>so the answer is yes then.
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11:57<rpetre>ballison: if you use [ make sure to remember the spaces
11:57<ballison>oh
11:57<ballison>ok
11:58<mobildorn>&& is the shell's way to make the execution of the second command dependent on the exit status of the first one.
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11:58<mobildorn>If the first one exits successfully (returns 0), the second one will be called.
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11:59<mobildorn>You may use "||" to do the opposite.
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12:01<mobildorn>"&&" can be a shorthand for "if foo; then bar; fi", but only for those simple case.
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12:01<mobildorn>If it's "if foo; then bar; else baz; fi", you cannot simply use "foo && bar || baz", because baz will run when bar exits non-zero, too.
12:03<ballison>good stuff! thanks!
12:03<rpetre>i suggest sticking to the if/fi syntax, it is clearer
12:03<thewanderer1>mobildorn: according to what my bash returns, your other example with if... else doesn't quite work as you said
12:03<thewanderer1>unless I missed a part of it
12:03<SynrG>well. if/fi can get *very* cluttery
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12:03<SynrG>if you do a lot of it
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12:04<thewanderer1>try `echo 1 && echo 2 || echo 3` - returns 1 and 2 only
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12:05<cire>hi, I am trying to install postfix+dovecot for receiving/accessing mails. I have a userdb at /var/mail/passwd (containing lines as "user::5000:5000::/var/mail/user") and a passwd-file at /var/mail/shadow. Auth seems to work, but when I try to receive a mail, I always get permission denied errors for /var/mail/user/tmp in my dovecot log. Rights are set correctly (user is mailuser:mailuser for ALL accounts). The problem seems to be, that dovecot
12:05<cire>wants to access the folders as "user" (from user@domain) instead of my maildir-user "mailuser". Does anybody have a hint?
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12:07<cire>you can find my dovecot -n here: http://pastebin.com/U99S5i6S
12:09<thewanderer1>cire: dovecot is delivering as "mail_uid: 5000"
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12:09<cire>thewanderer1: yeah, but look at the error: Error: stat(/var/mail/user/tmp) failed: Permission denied (euid=1000(user) egid=1000(user) missing +x perm: /var/mail/user)
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12:10<cire>i JUST DO NOT KNOW WHY IT SHOULD USE 1000 INSTEAD OF 5000
12:10<cire>sorry
12:10<cire>caps not intended
12:12<cire>and the bounced mails I receive have: </var/mail/user/@domain> (expanded from <user@domain>): unknown user: /var/mail/user
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12:13<thewanderer1>huh... it's not resolving username somehow
12:14<cire>I am still wondering why it does Permission denied (euid=1000(user) egid=1000(user)
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12:14<cire>user has uid 1000 on this machine. Perhaps it cannot be found in userdb and then falls back to /etc/passwd?
12:14<thewanderer1>cire: use userdb static to have it all delivered as one single UID
12:15<thewanderer1>if you use a passwd-like file, it will take UID from there
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12:15<cire>thewanderer1: but I want to have different passes for each user. Can this still be done in my /var/mail/shadow when using static?
12:15<thewanderer1>userdb is different from authdb
12:16<cire>I have passdb and userdb
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12:16<thewanderer1>oh right, passwd
12:16<thewanderer1>passdb
12:16<cire>okay
12:16<cire>wait, I will change it to static
12:19<cire>thewanderer1: I still get failed: Permission denied (euid=1000(user) egid=1000(user)
12:19<thewanderer1>well, have you restarted dovecot and postfix?
12:19<cire>jupp
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12:20<cire>sorry, meant yes
12:20<thewanderer1>then you must've misconfigured this somewhere
12:21<thewanderer1>userdb static will always use the UID you've specified as static
12:21<mobildorn>thewanderer1: I talked about the exit status. In your echo case, it should be always zero. The output to the console doesn't matter for your shell.
12:22<thewanderer1>mobildorn: oh, ok
12:23<mobildorn>You could try it again with simple scripts: A good one like "echo ok; exit 0" and a bad one like "echo not ok; exit 1".
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12:23<mobildorn>Then, try something like "true && good || bad" and again with false instead of true.
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12:24<AgentC>where is dpkg !?
12:24<mobildorn>BTW: That's another issue of the "&&" syntax. While it's easy to put multiple commands in a then branch, it's not so easy with "&&"
12:25<mobildorn>$ which dpkg
12:25<mobildorn>/usr/bin/dpkg
12:25<AgentC>i mean the bot
12:26<sney>dselect ate him
12:26<dselect>i haven't a clue, sney
12:26<sney>and absorbed his personality
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12:28<mobildorn>Maybe someone should invoke tasksel?!
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12:31<sret>how do i upgrade flash? its at 10.1 now. get it from backports?
12:32<sret>i just want to upgrade to 10.2 thought not 10.3 as the debian wiki link suggests
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12:33<jhutchins_lt>sret: How did you originally install it?
12:33<sret>jhutchins_lt: it came with squeeze
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12:34<sret>the thing is this chess server i play on requires flash, 10.1 works but seems to disconnect me from the server a lot, epiphany using 10.1 seems to not, so want to see if i upgraded flash to 10.2 will it work for iceweasel
12:34<jhutchins_lt>sret: That would be rather unusual. Do you not know what is installed?
12:34<sret>jhutchins_lt: 10.1 is installed
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12:35<jhutchins_lt>sret: The flashplugin-nonfree script has an updater available.
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12:35<jhutchins_lt>sret: I don't know if 10.2 is available for your architecture.
12:35<themill>Ganneff: ack.
12:36<sret>jhutchins_lt: oh okay
12:36<sret>im on i386
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12:47<sh4r3m4n>hello
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12:47<sh4r3m4n>do somebody how to edit the linux kernel?
12:47-!-amphi [~amphi@78.145.199.130] has joined #debian
12:48<sney>sh4r3m4n: do you mean change the configuration, or actually edit the source?
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12:48<sh4r3m4n>edit the source
12:48<retrospectacus>either way, yes, somebody knows.
12:48<sney>www.kernel.org it's all there, in neatly organized text files
12:48<sh4r3m4n>thanks
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12:49<mobildorn>The Debian way should be: Get the source package, add you changes as one or more patches, and build a new package.
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12:50<cthuluh>so that very few can install it?
12:51<sney>it's a friend of mine's job to make special edits to the linux kernel
12:52<rpetre>sney: mr. /usr/bin/patch ?
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12:53<sney>nah a weird italian dude who got recruited by google
12:53<rpetre>heh, i have a friend that does kernel work at google too, maybe they're colleagues :)
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12:54<sney>possibly
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12:57<sh4r3man>hi, do someone know how to activate, if i can, a function to when i pressionate alt+a number it shows the ascii of this numbre?
12:57<sh4r3man>sorry about the english, i speak spanish xD
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12:58<sney>!es
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12:58<sney>%es
12:58<dselect>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:01<sret>just wondering
13:01<sret>can someone actually flood you via the browser?
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13:02<rpetre>sret: depending on the definition of "flood", yes
13:02<jhutchins_lt>,info ascii
13:02<judd>Package ascii (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: interactive ASCII name and synonym chart. Version: 3.8-4; Size: 15.7k; Installed: 72k; Homepage: http://www.catb.org/~esr/ascii/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/ascii
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13:03<sh4r3man>thanks
13:03<sret>well i dont know how to put it like this but unless somoene played chess not sure how to explain it
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13:03<fnmueller>I am trying to find out how to set the UUID od an encrypted luks device. Any ideas on that?
13:03<sret>iceweasel seemss to disconnect just for that server, else it works fine, they recommend not using 10.3 flash and i have 10.1 running but that causes a lot of disconnecttions to the server
13:04<jhutchins_lt>sret: Sounds like bad code to me
13:04<sret>so im wondering if its their problem or iceweasel is being flooded by some prankster on their server, how do i find out though
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13:04<sh4r3man>and how do i use it?
13:04<jhutchins_lt>sret: You could use a tool like wireshark to look at the traffic.
13:04<sret>the only other way to find out is one of the debian users comes there and checks it out on iceweasel
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13:05<sret>jhutchins_lt: well ive got tcpdump
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13:05<rpetre>sret: install firebug (a firefox extension) and look at the requests
13:06<sret>rpetre: that works for iceweasel?
13:06<rpetre>yes
13:06<sret>ok will do thanks brb
13:06<rpetre>sret: apart from the name and icon, iceweasel is pretty much identical to firefox, there's no need to double-check :)
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13:07<aitiba>join #android-co
13:07<aitiba>sorry
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13:08<sret>rpetre: yeah i figured that:D
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13:10<sret>rpetre: where do i lookup these requests?
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13:11<rpetre>click on the firebug icon in the status bar, then the 'net' panel, then refresh the page
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13:14<sret>rpetre: i see 37 requests, what should i be looking for though?
13:14<rpetre>the one that takes a lot, i don't know
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13:15<sret>the time or the size?
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13:16<rpetre>what did you say the symptom was?
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13:17<sret>well it disconnects to the server constantly
13:17<sret>the server is entirely based on flash too
13:17<rpetre>what it is, some sort of streaming video?
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13:17<sret>and their only working version for glash at the moment is 10.1 and 10.2, i have 10.1 running but iceweasel still disconnects a lot
13:17<sret>rpetre: no its a chess server
13:18<sret>glash= flash
13:18<rpetre>as long as it communicates over http. you should see the requests in the firebug panel
13:18<rpetre>however the flash client could talk some other protocol, i'm not sure it would appear there
13:19<sret>i see what its communicationg against but these requests keep incrementing
13:19<sret>its at 60 now and i got disconnected again
13:19<rpetre>just see if you can correlate the graphs in firebug to the disconnect, maybe it's some sort of request that times out
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13:20<rpetre>sret: maybe te server is overloaded and it doesn't respond timely to your requests
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13:23<sret>i cant make sense of it but something is definitely wrong
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13:29<jhutchins_lt>sret: I would recommend a different server if I knew one. Bet google can find one for you.
13:30<sret>well i see like 4 instances of globalstats and it keeps increasing
13:31<sret>wheni disconnect thats the only thing i notice that popups up again
13:31<sret>and i cant seem to stop that request from loading
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13:32<sret>jhutchins_lt: yeah i play on 2 servers, this one is pretty decent
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13:34<Action>Hello all
13:34<sney>hi
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13:35<Action>What channel would be better for non-technical questions?
13:35<Action>Something kinda of general topic or so, not wich computers/Linux, gotta ask and get answer
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13:37<Action>sorry, goodbye
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13:41<sret>iceweasel lags like crazy there weird
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13:41<DrSampler>try midori
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13:41<DrSampler>it is pretty fast
13:42<sret>iceweasel is fast enough, its just not one one particular site im on
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13:42<sret>this site works faster on windows for some odd reason lol
13:42<sret>im going to see if it disconnects like crazy on opera in windows
13:42<ebest97>sret, try Chromium
13:42<ebest97>lol Opera
13:43<sret>why chrome? icweasel should be fine for it, its their stupid fscking server thats the issue
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13:43<ebest97>sret, Gecko is ancient
13:43<ebest97>WebKit is great
13:43<sret>yeah opera connected faster than icweasel
13:43<sret>just for that site i mean
13:43<ebest97>Dude
13:43<ebest97>I'm not kidding
13:43<ebest97>Gecko sucks
13:44<sret>maybe it does, but it works just fine for the site im on
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13:53<sret>ok lets see if it disconnects in chromium, then i can scale it down to what the problem might be
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13:53<SIDkisMETZZ>Hi
13:53<sney>hi
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13:54<SIDkisMETZZ>i am using kismet in debian squeeze and it is generating a live capture. Is there any option to "tail" the pcap file
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13:55*sret prays its not an iceweasel issue
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13:56*jhutchins_lt suspects it's a bad webcoder issue.
13:59<SIDkisMETZZ>tail equivalent of file like with tcpdump or any other tool for pcap file
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14:09<Takfin>hello everybody
14:10<Takfin>is there command to repair network and system in debian squeeze? thank you
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14:11<ompaul>Takfin: most likely, is there a kind of network that used to work and now doesnt?
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14:13<Takfin><ompaul>hello, how are you?
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14:15<ompaul>Takfin: great, you have to tell people what kind of network it was that failed, there are several things that may need be done or maybe not
14:16<SIDkisMETZZ>Takfin: In other words ,wired,wireless ,3g ? not getting ip ? not going online ?
14:17<ompaul>or was it simple dialup
14:17<Takfin>wireless
14:17<ompaul>and did it used to work?
14:17<ompaul>or has it never worked?
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14:19<Takfin>it worked but not perfectly, and it doesn't working now
14:20<ompaul>Takfin: what changed?
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14:21<retrospectacus>!tell Takfin -about ask
14:22<Takfin>nothing about configuration, but it doesn't work
14:22<SIDkisMETZZ>can you put the output of iwconfig /ifconfig on pastebin.debian.com
14:23<retrospectacus>no dpkg today :(
14:23<sney>retrospectacus: dselect is the backup, trigger with % instead of !
14:23<Takfin>i have to change computer, and then i 'll past it then
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14:24<SIDkisMETZZ>ok do you see the signal of the network when you click on the network icon ?
14:25<Takfin>no
14:25<SIDkisMETZZ>can you connect to a different nw ?
14:25<SIDkisMETZZ>do u see any other signals that u used to see ?
14:26<Takfin>no, but i can see another network in iwlist
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14:28<winsen><SIDkisMETZZ> aok, i am here now
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14:31<winsen>SIDkisMETZZ>is any command to repair that network sys as default
14:31<winsen>??
14:32<Takfin>are you there?
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14:37<winsen>hello are there anybody there?
14:37<SIDkisMETZZ_>Hi winsen: I did not get you ; got disconnected and missed some part
14:37<SIDkisMETZZ_>of conversation
14:37<winsen>ok sorry
14:37<winsen>cause i changed computer
14:38<winsen>as i said to you
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14:38<SIDkisMETZZ_>ok
14:38<winsen>so, tell me is there any command to repair that?
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14:39<SIDkisMETZZ_>are u able to connect to your wireless from a different machine or device ?
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14:40<winsen>yes, i can with ubuntu and didn't work with debian,
14:40<winsen>i can also with win.
14:41<SIDkisMETZZ_>have you tried creating a wireless profile with correct settings
14:42<winsen>yes manytimes
14:42<SIDkisMETZZ_>ok can you paste the output in pastebin for iwconfig /ifconfig in pastebin and provide a link
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14:44<SIDkisMETZZ_>also cat /var/log/messages
14:44<sret>jhutchins_lt: guess what chromium hasnt dc yet
14:44<winsen>i think it doesn't mater , but anyway, i am pasting you that
14:44<sret>im not sure if its an iceweasel issue but chromium is running just fine and dandy there
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14:46<winsen>http://pastebin.fr/10601
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14:47<SIDkisMETZZ_>you have same ip address assigned for wired as well as wireless
14:47<SIDkisMETZZ_>??
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14:50<winsen>cat /var/log/message=http://pastebin.fr/10602
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14:50<SIDkisMETZZ_>winsen: same ip is assigned to wired and wireless adapters
14:51<winsen>no it's not the same
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14:51<winsen>26 and 27
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14:52<SIDkisMETZZ_>both are 26 as in output
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14:52<winsen>for wired yes
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14:52<SIDkisMETZZ_>for wireless
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14:52<winsen>no wireless 27
14:52<SIDkisMETZZ_>wlan0 is wireless interface
14:53<winsen>yes 27
14:53<ompaul>wireless inet adr:192.168.0.26 eth inet adr:192.168.0.26
14:53<ballison>how come when i do a "dpkg-deb --build mypackage" it creates a "mypackage.deb" file but does not put the version in the name ??
14:53<ompaul>that is what the pastebin said
14:53<SIDkisMETZZ_>yes
14:53<SIDkisMETZZ_>it will not work with same ip
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14:54<winsen><SIDkisMETZZ>sorry i didn't see that , i am changing it now
14:54<SIDkisMETZZ_>ok
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14:54<SIDkisMETZZ_>good luck and bye :-)
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14:55<winsen><SIDkisMETZZ>you 're leaving already
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14:56<SynrG>ballison: dpkg-deb is not an end-user tool for creating debs ...
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14:57<SynrG>ballison: i mean, yes, it's theoretically possible to use it, but nobody in their right mind does :)
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14:57<ainhoa>-ola
14:58<ainhoa>aios no te conozco
14:58<ainhoa>adios
14:58<ompaul>!es
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14:58<ompaul>%es
14:58<dselect>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:59<LuisV>hello, good afternoon
14:59<heru>hello LuisV
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15:01<pasquale>ciao
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15:03<LuisV>I have a acer pc, with debian 6.0 installed, and sometimes, the screen goes blanck and the keyboard becomes unoperative, so I have to manually, shutdown the computer
15:04<sney>how long does it work before it freezes like that?
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15:05<LuisV>sney: no specific time, sometimes just after log in, others when the screen saver is activate, and sometimes while I use the computer
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15:08<pasek>witam
15:08<pasek>mam maly problem moze ktos pomoc
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15:08<bartm>pasek, english please
15:08<pasek>w sprawie konfiguracji srodowiska programowania javy
15:09<jhutchins>!pl
15:09<pasek>classpath
15:09<pasek>for java
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15:09<pasek>help
15:09<pasek>;p
15:09<jhutchins>pasek: I think there's a #debian-pl here.
15:09<pasek>ok tthanks
15:11<ompaul>%pl
15:11<dselect>somebody said pl was polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
15:11<daemonkeeper>New trigger character?
15:11<sney>backup bot
15:11<sney>dpkg is awol
15:11<daemonkeeper>Oh, I see
15:12<ompaul>jhutchins: the % brings on dselect as dpkg has gone in search of a segfault or something
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15:13<jhutchins>ompaul: Thanks. Anybody know how to reach dpkg's handler?
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15:13<sney>I think themill went off in search earlier
15:14<ompaul>themill: did you get anywhere?
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15:15<ballison>SynrG: well i used dpkg-deb --build :)
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15:15<ballison>if i recreate a package _but_ the name of the package did not change (exmaple, foo.deb) do I still need to rebuild the packages.gz file ?
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15:16<ballison> i did make edits to the control file, that's all.
15:16<ompaul>%mentors
15:16<dselect>hmm... mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org.
15:16<ompaul>ballison: ^^ you really need to go there
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15:17<LuisV>sney: how long debian lenny will be supported?
15:18<sney>about a year, I think
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15:19<LuisV>sney: ok thanks
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15:22<jhutchins>pasek: Did you see that #debian-pl is actually on irc.freenode.org?
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15:24<KOJIbKA>Hi all!
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15:25<homie>hmmm
15:25<homie>why is oftc so empty ?
15:25<sret>jhutchins: chromium runs fine on the server
15:25<jhutchins>sret: I saw. Less sensitive to bad code.
15:26<sret>jhutchins: ahh
15:26<sret>jhutchins: what do you think could be the issue
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15:26<jhutchins>sret: Bad code written by a windows developer.
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15:26<sret>you mean the server code?
15:26<sret>or maybe its not tuned well for epiphany and iceweasel?
15:27<sret>but if things run well on firefox == iceweasel, thne it should on iceweasel too right
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15:28<jhutchins>sret: Should be no difference between firefox and iceweasel, although it does send iceweasel in the browser string.
15:28<jhutchins>sret: That's the only functional difference.
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15:29<sret>yeah whcih is whati dont get, firefox works well for most of their users, i asked their support team, nobody had a darn clue about iceweasel or epiphany
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15:29<sret>so what could trigger iceweasel to disconnect and not firefox?
15:29<jhutchins>sret: Usually it's a sign that the page contains sloppy code produced by one of the windows development tools, where the developer never actually looks at the code that's written. You get things like a full screen of nothing but empty <font></font> tags.
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15:30<sret>yeah the thing is entierely done in flash
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15:30<KOJIbKA>Just a moment back I installed Squeeze. From the beginning network connection was present now it's dead. How to bring it back? It's all that nasty network-manager
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15:30<jhutchins>sret: I doubt the difference is firefox/iceweasel, it's probably windows/linux or different versions of plugins.
15:30<sret>jhutchins: ah so plugins that firefox has iceweasel doesnt?
15:30<sret>flash plugins
15:31<jhutchins>sret: Flash is tough to debug and very opaque. Also prone to abuse.
15:31<Guest3014>iceweasel awesome
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15:31<sret>jhutchins: ok
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15:31<sret>abuse in the sense?
15:31<jhutchins>sret: No, the plugins are the same, it's just that different people on different distros/os's may have different versions.
15:31<jhutchins>sret: This is really getting way off topic for Debian support.
15:31<sret>ok
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15:32<sret>im talking about iceweasel though
15:32<Guest3014>kanotix solves everything but install for me
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15:33<KOJIbKA>Managed to fix it by restoring Network Properties DNS address:)
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15:34<KOJIbKA>But why it should change the settings by itself?
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15:37<themill>!wb
15:37<dpkg>thanks, themill. It's good to be back.
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15:39<KOJIbKA>Help, my GRUB loader omits Win partition by default. How to include Vista?
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15:40<jhutchins>themill: Thanks!
15:41<jhutchins>KOJIbKA: Run update-grub, it should find it.
15:41<jhutchins>KOJIbKA: For some reason the squeeze installer tends to only configure it's own installation.
15:41<themill>(not my work; I just brought in dselect as a backup)
15:42<jhutchins>themill: We have ravenbird as well (%).
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15:43<KOJIbKA>jhutchins: thanks. I suppose that to be done from terminal, right?
15:43<themill>jhutchins: yes; will sort that out later.
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15:45<jhutchins>KOJIbKA: Yes, as root.
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15:46<KOJIbKA>jhutchins: thanks a lot. Done. Rebooting
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15:47<KOJIbKA>:-D
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15:50<KOJIbKA>Squeeze rulez. But still a lot of confusion with Network Manager. Now it's not 'able to manage network interface' though i'm online and running
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15:51<rss>KOJIbKA: does your /etc/network/interfaces contain a stanze for the interface? if so you should be able to remove it and use network manager for all interfaces
15:52<amarc>so provider added private network betwen my 2 vps servers, they said I can bring up eth1 on both servers with 192.168.1.x but question is how do I route these so they can talk to each other ?
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15:53<KOJIbKA>rss: just give me a second to look it in
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15:56<KOJIbKA>rss: yes it does. Right after comment # The primary network interface
15:57<KOJIbKA>What to comment off?
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15:58<rss>KOJIbKA,: You should be able to comment out the primary network interface rules in their entirety. Comment them out and ifup/ifdown will no longer work but network manager should be able to manage the interfaces
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15:59<KOJIbKA>Trying that
15:59<rss>KOJIbKA: # sign at the beginning of a script means it is a comment. Do you have a iface ethX inet static or inet ethX dhcp?
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16:01<KOJIbKA>Static. Manually set. I'm behind router
16:02<KOJIbKA>Commented primary i-face till the end of file
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16:02<rss>KOJIbKA: Network manager will not manage any interfaces that are configured in /etc/network/interfaces.
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16:02<KOJIbKA>rss: only loopback is remaining
16:03<rss>KOJIbKA: This is to prevent breaking a manually configured network
16:03<rss>KOJIbKA: What does network manager say now?
16:04<KOJIbKA>Same 'device is not managed'
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16:04<rss>KOJIbKA: Maybe restarting network manager will do the job
16:04<KOJIbKA>How?
16:04<rss>KOJIbKA: Be aware you may lose connection if you do
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16:05<KOJIbKA>I'm chatting from a tablet pc. I cannot loose you:)
16:06<rss>KOJIbKA: I do not use network manager myself. A reboot will certainly work. Is there a /etc/init.d/networkmanager script?
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16:06<rss>KOJIbKA: does your nework support DHCP?
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16:07<KOJIbKA>1-st yes. 2-nd no
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16:08<rss>KOJIbKA: OKay, then as root: /etc/init.d/networkmanager restart<enter> should work
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16:09<jhutchins>KOJIbKA: Network manager is intended for roaming systems that need to connect to multiple networks.
16:09<jhutchins>KOJIbKA: Doesn't server any purpose on a static/wired connection.
16:09<rss>KOJIbKA: The network manager should then say the ethX interface is now managed and you will need to configure it
16:10<KOJIbKA>rss:OK
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16:10<rss>KOJIbKA: jhutchins is correct. if it is a fixed machine static config with /etc/network/interfaces is more stable
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16:13<KOJIbKA>Should i uncomment edited ?
16:14<rss>KOJIbKA: If the machne is fixed an does not roam, I see no advantage to configuring the network interface with network manager.
16:15<rss>KOJIbKA: If you want to try it by all means do, But, without DHCP why would you need network manager?
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16:16<rss>KOJIbKA: Unless you insist con fonfiguring with a GUI, manual with a config file works just as well. It is also less likely to break, after all you have console access and editing a text file is easy
16:16<KOJIbKA>It is roaming. It's a laptop
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16:17<rss>KOJIbKA: Then maybe network manager could be useful
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16:18<rss>KOJIbKA: Why not try network manager, and if it does not work for you then uncomment the eht eth if in /etc/network/interface
16:18<KOJIbKA>Trying
16:18<rss>KOJIbKA: my typing is really going downhill right now sorry
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16:19<KOJIbKA>Don't be. You're very helpful anyway:)
16:19<homie>i thought this channel is gonna get merged with the freenode one
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16:22<rss>KOJIbKA: No worries. I'm more angry with myself. especially when trying to show command lines. Typos are a problem then.
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16:23<rss>KOJIbKA: You might also need to remove the ethX from the auto line in /etc/network/interfaces
16:24<KOJIbKA>Upon restarting network manager connection got lost...
16:24<rss>homie: ?
16:24<rss>KOJIbKA: Networkmanager does no longer work?
16:25<seeS>network manager keeps clobbering my dns settings
16:25<KOJIbKA>But now it shows Auto eth0 which is lost
16:25<KOJIbKA>Before it was missing
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16:26<KOJIbKA>I forgot parameters!
16:26<rss>KOJIbKA: remove all references to eth0 from /etc/network/interfaces
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16:26<KOJIbKA>rss: done, commented out
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16:27<rss>KOJIbKA: try networkmanager restart again
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16:27<rss>KOJIbKA: also remember to retain references to lo (loopback)
16:27<jhutchins>KOJIbKA: You want NO entry for any interfaces that network manager will manage.
16:28<KOJIbKA>Do i have to change settings for network first?
16:28<valdyn>KOJIbKA: this is nicely documented in /usr/share/doc/network-manager/
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16:28<jhutchins>KOJIbKA: My wired connection is only ever connected to one network, although the wifi roams, so I have eth0 configured as allow-hotplug and it works great. Network manager doesn't bug me about it at all.
16:28<rss>KOJIbKA: no, you don. Just reconfigure after it is managed
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16:29<jhutchins>(Actually, I have a working static config for wifi commented out just in case.)
16:30<rss>jhutchins: that is exactly what I do for wireless. for wired i ifconfig ehtX:1 manually
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16:31<edgar>i am upgrading lenny to squeeze, it asks me to check if the linux command line in /etc/default/grub is correct, but it shows me an empty line, anyone know what it should say?
16:32<rss>KOJIbKA: You still the?
16:32<edgar>this for the menu.lst file, for legacy, i think
16:33<KOJIbKA>rss: now it cuts off connection
16:33<rss>KOJIbKA: oops You still there?
16:33<seeS>mine is "" but then my grub install is completely hosed so im not a good one to ask
16:34<rss>KOJIbKA: Since you do not use DHCP that network manager should be able to manage the eth0. What does networkmanager say?
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16:35<KOJIbKA>I've set network manually . It went off. So i removed connection settings from n-m
16:35<rss>KOJIbKA: ?????
16:35<KOJIbKA>Now it's not seeing any wired network
16:37<rss>KOJIbKA: Without reference to eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces then network manager should be able to recognise that an interface is manageable. jhutchins, feel free to assist.
16:37<KOJIbKA>Should i comment out loopback interface in /e/n/i?
16:37<rss>KOJIbKA: NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
16:38<KOJIbKA>Ok
16:38<jhutchins>Not necessarily disasterous, but not good.
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16:38<rss>KOJIbKA: How did you set network manually?
16:38<jhutchins>KOJIbKA: So commenting out all eth0 references, then rebooting, NM doesn't show the wired interface?
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16:39<rss>KOJIbKA: If it does what jhutchins says then that should not happen.
16:40<seeS>i had to make nm aware of eth0 otherwise certain programs like pidgin would not work
16:40<KOJIbKA>As soon as have no DHCP i have to assign IP, Mask and Gateway manually in n-m preferencies
16:41<rss>KOJIbKA: that sounds right, It should work then.
16:41<KOJIbKA>Rebooting at the moment
16:42<rss>KOJIbKA: apply all static settings from /e/n/i in the n-m prefs
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16:43<rss>KOJIbKA: rebooting PC or only restarting NM
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16:43<KOJIbKA>Doing that
16:44<rss>KOJIbKA: Doing what? PC or NM?
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16:44<KOJIbKA>NM
16:45<rss>KOJIbKA, OK, NM only
16:45<KOJIbKA>:)Online
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16:45<rss>KOJIbKA: With NM?
16:46<KOJIbKA>Reboot saves all
16:46<KOJIbKA>Yes NM
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16:47<rss>KOJIbKA: OK. Good! I use both wired and wireless in roaming situations. That means I often reconfigure the interfaces manually. If the managed interfaces do not work for me I use a subinterface ie. eth0:1 or eth1:1
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16:48<KOJIbKA>SuppoSe i have to move laptop to other router. Is it enough to edit those static properties for the same Connection i've created?
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16:50<rss>KOJIbKA: That is why network manager can be helpful as it gives you a GUI to managed the interface. I often use console only machines an then a manual edit of /e/n/i is not really a problem
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16:51<rss>KOJIbKA: Short answer, Yes editing properties with NM should work
16:51<KOJIbKA>I'm shifting Pidgin chat to lappy as soon as it's installed there...
16:51<KOJIbKA>:)And thanks rss!
16:52<rss>KOJIbKA: As far as I am aware NM allows you to make multiple profiles per interface. jhutchins, feel free to correct me if I am wrong
16:52<rss>KOJIbKA: Glad to be of service
16:54<rss>KOJIbKA: Gld to hear it's working. jhutchins thanks for the assist.
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16:56<jhutchins>I think this is one case where rebooting is useful as it restarts all the different layers in the correct order. With the move of network control into userspace it's no longer clear everything that needs to be flipped and in what order.
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16:58<rss>jhutchins: It is why I use wicd in userspace on my laptop and manually configure in kernel space with subinterfaces when I need to. On a machine with fixed wired I always config in kernelspace
16:59<jhutchins>wicd doesn't see my NIC.
17:00<rss>jhutchins: same as with network manager it must not be managed in /e/n/i
17:00<jhutchins>NM did not play nice when I installed squeeze either, had to rip everything out and re-install, but eventually got it working.
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17:00<jhutchins>rss: NM works now, wicd didn't ever see the card.
17:00<jhutchins>rss: I understand that there are chipsets it doesn't get along with.
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17:02<rss>jhutchins: OK, I'm happy with wicd myself, and yes likely there are wireless chipsets it does not like. the ipw2200 I use with wext driver works perfectly for me. What I really like is the ability with wicd that allows me to manually configure wired subinterface and bring up wireless without loss of subinterface connectivity
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17:04<rss>jhutchins: what i mean is say you only have one laptop. I manually with ifconfig eth0:1 (wired) interface and I can bounce wireless eth1 and wired eth0 with wicd at will and still retain eth0:1 connectivity on a different or even the same subnet
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17:10<rss>jhutchins: wicd also insists on your wpa_supplicant config be empty
17:10<rss>jhutchins: yes mine is still ther with everyting commented out
17:10<tuzok>hi, how do I make my shine new squeeze grub loader make "remember" the last selection? GRUB_DEFAULT=saved in /etc/default/grub doesn't work
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17:11<Tiff>tuzok: it does work but you need an additional parameter in addition to it.
17:11<Tiff>tuzok: its in the manual.
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17:12<tuzok>tiff: in manual for grub or a debian reference?
17:12<Tiff>tuzok: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Simple-configuration
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17:12<rss>Tiff: your comment is not helpfull. Yes it can be done but rtfm is not nice!
17:12<devil_>tuzok: and you need to do: update-grub
17:13<Tiff>rss: if you have the knowledge and will to post a more comprehensive response, feel free to do so. Referring someone to a location that has the solution isn't a bad thing.
17:13<tuzok>devil_: thanks, but update-grub was the first step I've done when it didn't work right away...
17:13<Tiff>tuzok: please read my link.
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17:14<rss>Tiff: I stand corrected
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17:15<tuzok>tiff: Thanks, that would be the step I missed :)
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17:18<lukasoft>Hello, I was wondering if someone could help me install drivers for my ATI radeon x1300, I cant seem to get any installation to work
17:18<retrospectacus>%radeon
17:18<rss>lukasoft: which radeon driver are you attempting to use?
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17:19<retrospectacus>!radeon
17:19<dpkg>Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. See also <radeonhd>, <fglrx>.
17:19<lukasoft>fglrx
17:19<towo`>fglrx does not work for this card
17:19<lukasoft>that explains it. What do I need to do?
17:19<towo`>and btw, fglrx would not maky many sense
17:20<towo`>use radeon
17:20<towo`>it works realy good
17:20<rss>lukasoft: AMD decided not to support fglrx on an card earlier than the r500 series
17:20<lukasoft>can I just use synaptic package manager to install it? Or is there a better way?
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17:21<towo`>radeon is installed
17:21<rss>lukasoft: try xserver-xorg-video-radeon
17:21<towo`>you only need to install firmware-linux-nonfree
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17:21<towo`>and edit /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf
17:22<towo`>for 3d you also need libgl1-mesa-glx
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17:23<lukasoft>ok, I already have xserver-xorg-video-radeon, but firmware-linux-nonfree isn't found in the package manager
17:23<lukasoft>I have lenny btw
17:23<rss>lukasoft: add non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.list
17:24<towo`>lenny does not have this package
17:24<towo`>and radeon in lenny is very old
17:24<winsen>hello everybody, how can i remove lock in .opera? thannk you
17:24<towo`>fglrx in lenny works for this card
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17:25<lukasoft>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free <- is that it?
17:25<towo`>opera is not in debian
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17:25<rss>winsen: where is the lockfile?
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17:25<rss>winsen: opera should tell you
17:25<towo`>lukasoft, in lenny, there is no firmware-linux-nonfree
17:25<lukasoft>towo: so I need to use fglrx?
17:25<towo`>no, you can even use radeon
17:25<winsen>yes but i tried rm lock, but it still here
17:26<towo`>but i would update to squeeze
17:26<towo`>purge opera
17:26<rss>winsen: also with all opera instances closed?
17:26<towo`>use a browser from debian
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17:26<lukasoft>towo`:which should I do first?
17:26<towo`>i would update to squeeze
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17:27<lukasoft>ok, thanks, I'll do that
17:27<towo`>and then be lucky with the radeon driver
17:27<towo`>radeon is way better as the fglrx crap
17:27<winsen>i closed opera, and when i run it again , message appears
17:27<tuzok>on my squeeze, radeon driver is not working well though for HD 5770 card...getting blank screen only...
17:27<winsen>how can i do to remove it definitly?
17:28<rss>winsen: Yes I know that close all opera instances. check in a terminal with : ps |grep opera
17:28<towo`>tuzok, no one speaks about your hd5xxx card
17:28<winsen>rss>ok i am trying
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17:28<rss>winsen: everytime opera is started it will make a lock file. normal opera suhtdown should remove it
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17:30<winsen>rss>what do you mean, ?
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17:31<tuzok>winsen: he meant that you have probably some opera instance still running, that's why the lock is here...
17:31<rss>winsen: the lock file is created by opera when it starts. This is so that a second opera can see that it is already open. Close all opera windows
17:31<rss>tuzok, winsen: yes that is what i meant
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17:32<winsen>and now with the command "ps |grep opera" it removed it or not?
17:33<rss>winsen: no the command will list all opera instances if there is more that the grep opera line, then more that one opera was already running
17:33<winsen>rss>i did that, i closed all opera windows +rm lock +ps |grep opera
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17:34<rss>winsen: with all opera closed what does ps | grep opera say?
17:34<winsen>i hope it's difinitly removed
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17:34<winsen>ps |grep opera says nothing
17:35<rss>winsen: good that means there are no opera running. Now remove the lock file
17:35<winsen>ok
17:35<tuzok>unless rm lock reported error, your lock file was deleted...until another opera crash...
17:35<rss>winsen: if I remember correctly for you that would be /home/am/.opera/lock Correct?
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17:38<winsen>i can not access to opera by cd???
17:38<winsen>this is fyunny
17:39<rss>winsen: cd /home/am/.opera
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17:39<tuzok>why not? ".opera" is hidden because of the dot as a first character
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17:39<winsen>yes it's ok now
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17:40<winsen>you think it's definitly removed, do you?
17:40<rss>winsen: rm -f lock That means remove the file called lock and force
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17:41<winsen>how can i be sure it's realy removed?
17:41<rss>winsen: after rm -rf lock is is definatly removed. Only whan you start opera it will create a new one
17:41<rss>winsen: oops rm -f lock not -rf lockl
17:41<winsen>ok than, it's not definitly removed!!
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17:43<rss>winsen: when you are in /home/am/.opera (which is directory on your system) without opera running and typing ls you should not see a lock file
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17:43<fnmueller>can someone please recommend a ram-savong login-manager to me?
17:44<fnmueller>I thought about nodm, but that one is for autologin, which I don't want to do
17:44<rss>winsen: as I said evertime you start opera that file _will_ be created. when opera closed normally it will remove the file.
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17:44<winsen>yes this is not here now, but you said , only when i start opera it create a new one
17:44<winsen>but i use always opera
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17:45<rss>winsen: yes start opera and look in /home/am/.opera you should see a lock file
17:45<tuzok>fnmueller: I'd try wdm
17:45<sney>fnmueller: or slim
17:45<fnmueller>thanks guys :-)
17:46<sney>(or skip the login manager entirely and just have your users startx)
17:46<rss>winsen: if opera crashes it cannot clean the lock so a new start of opera will give you a warning
17:46<winsen>yes it's here, shiiiiit
17:46<rss>winsen: this is not shit. close opera
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17:46<winsen>i like use opera
17:46<fnmueller>sney: hmm, I believe that is too complicated (for the user)
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17:47<winsen>rss>sorry
17:47<rss>winsen: with opera closed look at /home/am/.opera there should _not_ be a lockfile now
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17:48<winsen>it's here yet
17:48<tuzok>after closing opera?
17:48<winsen>however, i closed opera
17:49<tuzok>it's supposed to be there only as long as opera is running
17:49<rss>winsen: if with opera closed the lock file is still there that means opera is crashing when you close it. Opera should remove the lock file when you close it.
17:50<mobildorn>You could try to run it from a terminal and see if there is output while it runs/when you close it
17:50<winsen>rss>this not crashing
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17:51<rss>winsen: mobildorn's suggestino is a good one. If the lockfile remains after opera close then opera _is_ crashing it should remove the file. If it does not is _is_ crashing
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17:51<tuzok>winsen: what's your IRC client? don't tell us you're chatting from opera...
17:52<winsen>no
17:52<winsen>xchat
17:52<tuzok>then I bet your opera is crashing, run it from terminal to see it's output
17:53<rss>winsen: When opera closes it should remove the file. If it does not then something is wrong.
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17:54<rss>winsen: again what mobildorn said open terminal. type opera. close opera. if it crashe you will get messages to that effect in the terminal.
17:54<mobildorn>You could even try: "strace -fe opera" (if strace is installed)
17:54<amphi>it should unlink it straight away, then it would not be left behind when it crashed
17:54<winsen>may be the command "rm -f lock not -rf lockl"
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17:54<mobildorn>But you should have some C experience to interpret the output
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17:55<rss>winsen: if opera has closed nicely, then there should not be a lock file left. If there is the opera is _*CRASHING*_
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17:56<mobildorn>Or buggy.
17:56<rss>winsen: Do I need to add man !!!!! symbols to make this clear?
17:56<winsen>opera doesn't crashing
17:56<amphi>winsen: how do you know?
17:56<rss>winsen: if the lock fil is ther it is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
17:56<amphi>run it under gdb
17:57<winsen>rss>don't be angry man
17:57*amphi runs away
17:58<winsen>when i type ls -l, i see lock file
17:58<rss>winsen: I am not angry. I am trying to make it clear that a normal opera close _should_ never leave the lock file. If it does, then something _is_ wrong
17:58<winsen>rss>i trust you but why?
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17:59<winsen>or what is something wrong?
17:59<mobildorn>Try to find out what happens to get a hint what it's wrong.
17:59<mobildorn>As we told you, you may run it from a terminal, via strace oder gdb.
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18:00<themill>winsen: Since opera isn't free software and not part of debian, there's only so much we can do here. Perhaps #opera on irc.opera.com would be a better place to be asking.
18:00<rss>winsen: when opera starts it created the file. when opera closes it should remove the file. it is a way that a new opera can see whether it is alread running or a previous one crashed. A clean close should _never_ leave the file. Why opera is crshing on close I do not know. I only know that it is, or that the version you are using has a bug.
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18:01<winsen>rss>XChat 2.8.8
18:01<winsen>Client IRC multiplateformes
18:01<winsen>Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64 [x86_64/800.50MHz/SMP]
18:01<winsen>Charset: UTF-8 Renderer: Pango
18:01<winsen>Compiled: Oct 7 2010
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18:02<rss>Gahhhhh help I am trying to be patient
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18:02<mobildorn>Maybe try camomile tea?
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18:03<rss>mobildorn: good suggestion. Hmmmm, a whiskey sound better
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18:04<mobildorn>What about Whisky? I'd prefer an Edradour.
18:04<rss>mobildorn: port ellen?
18:04-!-seeS [~csmall@2001:44b8:61::43] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
18:04<mobildorn>Seems he stays away ...
18:05<mobildorn>Nice one.
18:05<mobildorn>But rare.
18:05<rss>mobildorn: grin a laphroaig is good too
18:05<mobildorn>Reminds me that my Talisker bottle is nearly empty.
18:05<rss>mobildorn, port ellen, very it closed 25 or more years ago
18:06<rss>mobildorn: almost empty. groan!
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18:08<winsen>sorry, i was dc
18:08<rss>winsen: pasting in this channel is not allowed ust pastebin for that
18:08<winsen>i had another problem
18:08<themill>dpkg: tell winsen about paste
18:08<winsen>about what?please
18:09<rss>!paste
18:09<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
18:09<winsen>ok
18:09<themill>winsen: (a) don't paste into irc channels, (b) please take your opera problems to #opera on irc.opera.com
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18:10<rss>guys the opera channel will not explain to him what a lock file is for
18:10<mobildorn>rss: 28 years. But, as you may know, Whisky has to endure at least 3 years in the barrel before it is sold.
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18:11<rss>mobildorn: still have 3 bottles of port ellen
18:11<winsen>thermil>hello, do you mean i am not welcome here?
18:11<mobildorn>Wow. I only had 2 or 3 glasses in my life.
18:11<rss>winsen: yes you are welcome here
18:11<winsen>rss>thank you
18:12<rss>mobildorn: went to edinborough in 1996 an bough 6 bottles after tasting. expensive but worth it
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18:13<sward>1~1~c
18:13<rss>winsen: what themill meant is that for opera maybe the opera channel could be more helpfull.
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18:14<themill>there's only so much #debian can do for software that isn't in Debian because it is not Free software...
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18:15<winsen>rss>i prefer you answer, it's better polite
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18:16<rss>winsen: us old gray hairs sometimes lose our perspective. I do my best to be polit. I do not always succeed.
18:17<winsen>well, i had another problem with my wifi, i 'd like to connect in one of "iwlist network, can you help me please? thanks
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18:17<winsen>rss>thank you man
18:18<rss>winsen: networkmanager should pick that up for you automatically.
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18:19<rss>all: itś almost 00:20 here. time for bed. CUL8R
18:19<winsen>i tested that, but removed NM cause i had problem with wifi, that's why i am searching for command to connect by konsole, do you have any idea?
18:20<mobildorn>rss: Here too. Strange. Have time zones be deprecated?
18:20<dondelelcaro>winsen: if the network isn't using WPA, you can just connect using iwconfig et al.
18:20<rss>winsen: for myself not tonight I need to sleep and cuddle my SO. mobildorn: CEST is my timezone
18:20<mobildorn>winsen: If it's a WPA secured network, try wpa_supplicant. Else iwconfig
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18:21<winsen><mobildorn>i did wpa_supplicant
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18:23<amphi>winsen: wicd-curses works well for me (console network interface controller)
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18:23<winsen>my question is how can i connect on one of iwlist
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18:24<winsen>amphi>did wicd-curses works by Konsole?
18:24<amphi>winsen: yes
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18:25<winsen>can you guive the link please?
18:25<amphi>winsen: aptitude install wicd-curses
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18:26<winsen>do you think , i'll ha probleme with wpa-gui in the same machine?
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18:27<winsen>amphi>are you there?
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18:27<amphi>I am here
18:27<amphi>I don't know
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18:28<amphi>wicd-curses deals with wpa ok, at least it has for me, so it might obviate the need for wpa gui
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18:28<winsen>and can
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18:29<winsen>sorry, i didn't understand what you mean
18:29<winsen>it might obviate the need for wpa gui
18:30<winsen>ok ,i see
18:30<amphi>you may not need wpa-gui at all if you use wicd-curses to configure your network connections
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18:31<winsen>i had already configure my network connections, just want to access for another network on my iwlist,
18:32<winsen>when i am far from my area
18:33<amphi>wicd-curses is easy to use; otherwise you must learn to use the wireless tools & ifconfig/dhclient
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18:35<winsen>do you mean i have to change my configuration in network interfaces...etc?
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18:36<winsen>amphi>can you answer to me?
18:37<amphi>winsen: not necessarily, that's up to you
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18:38<mobildorn>I'm using the following lines in /etc/network/interfaces: http://paste.debian.net/109196/
18:38<mobildorn>And put all my (WPA) networks in the mentioned config file as documented.
18:39<ml|>winsen: should help... http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi and http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wicd
18:39<Mike632T>Hi I just went to update my system (apt-get update) and noticed I now get the following error message 'W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <ftpmaster@debian.org>' - I guess something has expired but how do I fix it?
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18:40<mobildorn>The archive signing key changed a few days ago.
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18:40<winsen>can wicd conect automaticly to my stick usb?
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18:41<mobildorn>Mike632T: See http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110209
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18:42<mobildorn>You may import the new key via "gpg --recv-key 473041FA", export it into a text file and use "apt-key add textfile" to use it
18:42<mobildorn>The last one should be executed as root.
18:42<winsen>i am in debian squeeze, not wheezy
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18:42<mobildorn>But normally, you should have it already on your system via the normal updates.
18:42<Mike632T>OK I kind of guessed that much (I'd found the news) - but how to I get/load the new one - or it is just a question of waiting for the repositories to catch up at the next point release..?
18:43<ml|>!apt-key 473041FA
18:43<dpkg>gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 473041FA ; gpg --export 473041FA | sudo apt-key add -
18:43<mobildorn>winsen: I'm still using Lenny on most of my systems. Maybe something changed in the wifi subsystem.
18:44<winsen><mobildorn>just to know if i have to do another configuration , i mean about network-interfaces i did...
18:45<ml|>mobildorn: what you have is fine, but using wicd is easier/better IMHO
18:45<winsen>yes i 'd like to know if i 've to change all what i did, and put in wicd-cures
18:46<winsen>but almost says that it doesn't reconnize usb stick automaticly? is it?
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18:46<mobildorn>Hehe. I never configured sudo to allow me to run apt-key as root. *g*
18:46<Seppoz>please how to eompty the wastebin in emdebian?
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18:49<jhutchins_lt>video ram?
18:50<Seppoz>where is the wastebin located?
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18:52<winsen>ok thank you
18:52<winsen>good night
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18:57<Magicka>Hey
18:57<Magicka>Does anyone know how to setup IRCD on Debian?
18:58<unlisted>what is that?
18:58<Magicka>irc server
18:58<unlisted>thanks, what I was guessing
18:59<Magicka>Anyone know?
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19:00<Magicka>Some on someone must know
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19:00<Magicka>Ganneff, Do you know how to setup IRCD on Debian
19:01<mobildorn>Maybe those "someone" wrote documentation and it got packaged with the daemon or in a separate -doc package.
19:01<Mike632T>Ok I've got my new key using 'gpg --recv-key 473041FA --keyserver keyring.debian.org', then exported it using ' gpg --output key.cert --export 473041FA' before adding it using ' apt-key add key.cert' - it says OK but I'm still getting an error with apt-update..
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19:08<Mike632T>Ok I've got my new key using 'gpg --recv-key 473041FA --keyserver keyring.debian.org', then exported it using ' gpg --output key.cert --export 473041FA' before adding it using ' apt-key add key.cert' - it says OK but I'm still getting an error with apt-update..
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19:12<mobildorn>Do you mean "apt-get update"?
19:12<Mike632T>Oops - yes!
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19:14<mobildorn>Is it still the same message as above or a new one?
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19:15<Arrowmaster>cant you just update the debian-archive-keyring package?
19:15<Mike632T>Looks the same 'W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <ftpmaster@debian.org>' - did I export it correctly?
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19:17<Mike632T>Arrowmaster: already tried that (--reinstall)
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19:19<Arrowmaster>Mike632T: you were running those commands as root right?
19:19<littlecharly>good night
19:19<littlecharly>good night
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19:19<lukasoft>Hello, I'm currently updating to squeeze and already have the 2.6.26-2-amd64 kernel. Should I update that before I continue with the distro update?
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19:20<Mike632T>Yes (root terminal in gnome)
19:20<Arrowmaster>lukasoft: you need to update your kernel and udev first
19:20<Arrowmaster>dpkg: tell lukasoft about lenny->squeeze
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19:21<lukasoft>so 2.6.32 is the newest supported by debian it seems?
19:21<dvs>lukasoft: 2.6.32 is the official kernel of squeeze
19:21<Arrowmaster>Mike632T: run `apt-key list` and see if 4096R/473041FA is listed
19:21<lukasoft>dvs: thank yo
19:21<lukasoft>]you*
19:21<dvs>mp
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19:21<dvs>bp
19:21<dvs>ah, screw it!
19:22<lukasoft>haha
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19:22<themill>it's BADSIG not NOSIG; they key is known
19:22<mobildorn>Arrowmaster: Maybe you got a bad mirror? It works for me when I do it manually: http://paste.debian.net/109199/
19:22<Mike632T>I get 'pub 4096R/473041FA 2010-08-27 [expires: 2018-03-05]'
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19:23<mobildorn>Ah, sorry. Meant Mike632T
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19:27<Mike632T>Think the problem is a mismatch between 'lenny/updates Release' and the new key..?
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19:30<lukasoft>eehh, I just updated the kernel and tried to use udev and got this error http://pastebin.com/Tu4jynYV now I don't know what to do?
19:30<Monteskew>'lo
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19:30<Mike632T>Think the problem is a mismatch between 'lenny/updates Release' and the new key..?
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19:32<lukasoft>Mike632T: This is my first time updating, so I don't know how to fix that
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19:33<mobildorn>Mike632T: Yeah, seems to be the problem. But I've no idea how to fix it as it works fine for me
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19:33<lukasoft>oh sorry i thought that was for me
19:33<Mike632T>lukasoft: my response was intended for mobildorn: (different problem !)
19:33<mobildorn>lukasoft: Did you remove all obsolete packages and disabled apt pinning beforehand?
19:34<lukasoft>no I didn't
19:34<Mike632T>mobildorn: Thanks - at least I'm not going totally mad - think it is time to sleep on it for a bit...
19:35<Mike632T>(and dream of VAXEN)
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19:35<mobildorn>lukasoft: Do you need the libraries? Maybe you could just remove them while you upgrade and install the newer versions later.
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19:36<lukasoft>i can try that
19:36<mobildorn>I believe you have some 64 bit system, right?
19:37<lukasoft>that is correct
19:37<mobildorn>Then the 32 bit libs may be somewhat optional.
19:37<catsup>does anyone know, what is the smallest 'vi' implementation in debian?
19:37<catsup>i mean on-disk size
19:37<mobildorn>catsup: Not sure, but could be nvi
19:37<catsup>yeah i'm looking at nvi
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19:39<mobildorn>At a quick glance on apt-cache search vi | grep "\<vi\>", elvis-tiny seems to be smaller
19:39<catsup>yeah i was just looking at that
19:40<catsup>elvis is mentioend on the first page for google smallest vi clone
19:40<lukasoft>mobildorn: it seems when I ran apt-get remove on the first on the list, a lot of other things were updated/removed as well
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19:40<catsup>oh wow
19:40<lukasoft>so I tried apt-get udev and it seemed to finish without error. Is it safe to restart?
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19:40<catsup>elvis-tiny with all libraries is under 2MB
19:40<catsup>while nvi is 8MB
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19:41*catsup is putting elvis-tiny on initrd
19:41<mobildorn>lukasoft: This can be normal if the lib is a relevant depency. Maybe you should try aptitude. It writes a nice logfile and re-installation after update will be easier with a nice package list.
19:41<mobildorn>catsup: I just found "levee".
19:41<mobildorn>It says: Installed-Size: 92
19:42<catsup>um
19:42<catsup>i don't have that package
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19:42<mobildorn>My lenny believes to know it.
19:43<catsup>removed in squeeze?
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19:43<catsup>http://packages.debian.org/stable/editors/levee <-- not available
19:43<mobildorn>Looks like it. According to packages.debian.org, it exists in lenny and sid.
19:43<catsup>http://packages.debian.org/unstable/editors/levee <-- still there
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19:45<catsup>well elvis-tiny is small enough so i'm going with it
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19:46<mobildorn>Ah, currently not in stable because of compile problems.
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19:51<mobildorn>Time to go home. See you later!
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19:52<wissem>hi
19:52<wissem>i just tried this command echo powersave | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu{0,1}/cpufreq/scaling_governor
19:52<wissem>any idea how to undo it ??
19:55<tharkun>wissem: do the samething with the proper command to scaling_governor you might as well put it ondemand
19:56<wissem>"echo ondemand | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu{0,1}/cpufreq/scaling_governor" ??
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19:57<wissem>beacause i noticed some process is heating faster after i did that command
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20:25<Kket>Hi, I'm trying to get some help for my dad. He says he's got a fresh install of squeeze. The screen goes black during boot, but he says he can log into root. GeForce 6150LE.
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20:30<jsubl2>Kket: might see if this pages helps. http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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20:33<Kket>jsubl2: Thanks, I'm relaying the info and will see if anything works.
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20:33<jsubl2>Kket: did he have to login as root to console or X
20:34<Kket>jsubl2: He says console.
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20:34<jsubl2>so X is not workin likely
20:35<jsubl2>Kket: my work machine has nvidia and that doc helped me out.
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20:36<Kket>jsubl2: I appreciate it, there are some promising things in there.
20:36<scotd>is there a good place to get 2.6.37 kernel for squeeze?
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20:37<sney>judd: kernels
20:37<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.38-rc6-686 (2.6.38~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.37-1-686 (2.6.37-1); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2)
20:37<sney>well, it's not in backports or testing, and I keep hearing about how wonky it is
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20:38<sney>you *might* be able to just dpkg -i the deb from sid
20:39<scotd>it's for a production server that needs a kernel module update... maybe i should just rebuild the module?
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20:39<sney>yeah, that'd be safer
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20:40<scotd>but... how would i know if the new module source required newer kernel machinery? it just wouldn't build?
20:41<sney>or it would build with errors and not load
20:41<sney>it would let you know, most likely
20:41<sney>2.6.38 *might* be more usable than .37, but it's too early to tell at this point
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20:42<sney>I guess the server's got some shiny new hardware that just had support added to the kernel?
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20:42<scotd>mpt2sas... supposed to work, but freezes intermittently. works in fedora 14
20:43<scotd>everyone just says to upgrade... easy for them to say :-)
20:43<sney>word
20:43<chealer>scotd: unstable
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20:44<sney>we've been over that, chealer. are you recommending a sid kernel for production? :)
20:44<scotd>i was thinking about that... it's going to be a vm host so it doesn't need much... but it makes me nervous still
20:44<sney>well, you can always just try
20:45<sney>the system will let you have as many kernels installed as you want, you just pick it at boot
20:46<chealer>sney: I was just answering. it depends on the kind of production
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20:47<scotd>In needs to not crash or corrupt data... but it's only going to be running kvm, md, and lvm
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20:49<scotd>sney have you heard good things about .35?
20:50<sney>I've heard nothing about .35
20:51<scotd>so .38 might be the most stable since .32?
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20:51<sney>yeah, but it's still all guesswork at this point
20:51<sney>we'll know once something new makes it into testing
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20:52<scotd>cool, thx
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21:19<infinite>Hi Folks:
21:20<infinite>Please help me configure xserver
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21:20<infinite>I am unable to use "nv" video drivers
21:20<sney>what video card?
21:22<infinite>NVIDIA TNT RIVA
21:22<sney>ok, that is the correct one, what do you mean "unable"? what have you tried?
21:23<infinite>I upgraded Debian Testing to Debian Squeeze, earlier "nv" drivers were working, Nouveau was not, people here asked me to uinstall xserver-xorg-video-nouveau drivers and automatically nv drivers would be used.
21:24<sney>yes, that should work, or just list 'nouveau' in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
21:24<infinite>I just want to use "nv" iin xorg.conf, like the old Debian, It just hangs now if I use xorg.conf with "nv" drivers
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21:29<infinite>Why doesnt xorg.conf with "nv" drivers work, why does it hang on restart
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21:30<infinite>Hi sney can you help me please
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21:33<infinite>Using google it states that to use nomodeset on the kernel command line in the bootloader
21:35<infinite>I will get back to you soon, I am trying to use xorg.conf
21:35<infinite>Thanks
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21:53<_44kbps_>is here someone from asterisk debian packaging team?
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21:54<sney>probably not
21:54<sney>most developers and maintainers stay in contact via the mailing lists
21:54<_44kbps_>I'm on #asterisk but only one away person
21:54<_44kbps_>I'm on the right channel?
21:55<_44kbps_>Ok I'm going...
21:56<_44kbps_>thanks
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22:13<_44kbps_>good night from catalonia (4:13 AM) :)
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22:21<goodell>Greetings. I have many business and personal appointments that I would like to organize, and I dislike the idea of outsourcing my calendaring to a third party such as Google (both for business and personal reasons, surprise!). What are my options for icalendar/caldav calendar servers packaged for Debian?
22:22<sney>the search function on packages.debian.org can answer that a lot better than any one person in here
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22:23<goodell>sney: actually I was specifically hoping for a human response, after noticing chandler which seems to be broken.
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22:24<goodell>(looks like the search for 'caldav' and 'icalendar' only yields 'prospective' packages. Maybe there is a search term that I am missing?)
22:24<sney>apple's calendarserver is packaged for debian
22:24<sney>just search 'calendar' and skim the list
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22:26<goodell>ah, I see: calendarserver. Looks promising, I will check it out. Thanks
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22:30<free_the_node26>how can I access the files installed with "propaganda-debian"?
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23:43<amakusa>what's the syntax to have a command delayed?? like for eg, have conky start after 30 secs the command has been entered
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23:44<amitz>sleep
23:44<dondelelcaro>amakusa: sleep 30s; foocmd;
23:46<Martee>Hi all I recently install squeeze on my laptop with KDE and when I login I get a Black screen with the mouse being visible. did an install with ALT+F2 and logging in via terminal using aptitude and then restarted but still black screen... Any solution to this?
23:47<sney>on some computers it will take up to a minute to generate all of the ~/.kde/ stuff, how long did you wait
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23:47<Martee>20 minutes
23:48<sney>hmm, most likely not that then
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23:50<Martee>i also tried kquitapp plasma-desktop
23:50<Martee>and its telling me it could not be found using service org.kde....."
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23:53<Martee>i dont know what else to do about it.
23:53<chealer>Martee: did you check logs, in particular ~/.xsession-errors ?
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23:59<Martee>chealer: anything key to this? "kded(2632) /kdecore (KLibrary) kde4factory: The library "/usr/lib/kde4/solid_hal_power.so" does not offer a qt_plugin_instance function."
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23:59<chealer>Martee: I never saw that message but just that doesn't sound too bad
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