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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-03-01

---Logopened Tue Mar 01 00:00:00 2011
00:00<chealer>Martee: if you never looked at .xsession-errors, it's always full of stuff, usually ignorable
00:00<chealer>bbl
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00:05<Martee>I checked if plasma desktop was installed and it was along with kde desktop so im unsure.
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00:07<k-man_>how do i tell if my system is using dependancy based booting or the old style sysv? (if thats what its called?)
00:09<amakusa>dondelelcaro: that worked great, thanks a lot
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00:09<dondelelcaro>amakusa: np
00:11<th_>k-man_, grep CONCURRENCY /etc/default/rcS
00:11<th_>if the output is CONCURRENCY=makefile
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00:12<th_>it's dependency based initscripts
00:12<k-man_>th_: thanks, i get nothing, so i guess i'm still on old style
00:13<th_>wait, i'll check some doc
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00:15<th_>sorry, i was wrong
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00:15<th_>as written in /usr/share/doc/insserv/README.Debian
00:16<th_>dependency based boot is the default now
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00:17<th_>CONCURRENCY=makefile is further enhancement to start scripts in parallel
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00:19<th_>more doc about dependency based booting: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#dependency-boot
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00:25<mehdi_>has anyone ever work with "cmdiag"?
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00:56<seeS>did xorg recently change? i can no longer see gears in glxgears
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01:06<streuner__>judd, versions mesa-utils
01:06<judd>Package mesa-utils on i386 -- lenny: 7.0.3-7; squeeze: 7.7.1-4; sid: 8.0.1-2; wheezy: 8.0.1-2
01:06<jm_>seeS: in sid? yes
01:06<seeS>yep
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01:07<seeS>i tried one other GL thing and it was blank too, but its flakey so no surprise really but glxgears is usually pretty reliable
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01:14<seeS>jm_: why is it being in sid significant?
01:15<jm_>seeS: http://blog.ikibiki.org/tags/debian/
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02:50<fanto666>Hello, what about volatile-sloppy? Will it be moved to squeeze-sloppy-updates or will backports take care of that?
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03:13<hvad>helo
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03:17<jagadish>Hi, when I boot in lenny, am getting: "/etc/init.d/rc: line 74: /etc/default/rcS: Permission denied"
03:18<jagadish>and it is asking for root password for maintenance
03:18<jagadish>I haven't modified permissions of any /* files/dirs
03:18<jagadish>how do I resolve this?
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03:19<jagadish>it is not starting any application, says can't start a pid
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03:19<jm_>what does this show: ls -l /etc/default/rcS
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03:20<jagadish>ls: cannot access /etc/default/rcS: Permission denied
03:21<jm_>did you run it as root?
03:21<jagadish>yes
03:21<jm_>ok so that's your problem, start with ls -ld /etc/default
03:22<hvad>helo
03:22<jagadish>got this: drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 640 Aug 7 2010 /etc/default
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03:22<jagadish>now I rebooted, it's rebooting
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03:23<eponymous>hi
03:23<jm_>maybe check kernel messages (dmesg), unless there's something fancier like SElinux
03:24<eponymous>I'm having trouble getting Compiz & Docky working in Gnome on Squeeze
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03:24<jagadish>now it boots to the login screen but it says "/etc/init.d/rc: line 74: /etc/default/rcS: Permission denied" again
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03:24<eponymous>Compiz doesn't seem to work any of its settings, though the installation doesn't through-up any errors.
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03:24<jagadish>error: `/etc/init.d/rc' exited outside the expected code flow
03:24<jagadish>.
03:25<eponymous>Docky installs but has a black border and asks for compositing to be enabled (via Compiz or via metacity).
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03:33<eponymous>what is a "software rasterizer" and how do I disable it?
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04:21<sentapho>Hi, does anyone have experience with a debian caching server ?
04:21<sentapho>What is a good caching server for a small LAN ?
04:22<sentapho>Good Night.
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04:24<berto>you can boot a debian CD image from a USB stick, but that's not what the installer page suggests: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/
04:24<berto>am I missing anything?
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04:25<ctaylor>berto: yes, you can boot from USB
04:25<berto>ctaylor: yeah, I know, but why doesn't the install page explain that?
04:26<berto>one might think that you need a different image
04:26<ctaylor>berto: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/apas02.html.en#howto-getting-images-usb
04:26<ctaylor>its in the installation howto, there is also a link to download the USB images on that squeeze d-i page
04:27<ctaylor>bottom right on the list of downloads
04:27<berto>yes, my question is why they are separate from the CD images
04:27<berto>since CD images appear to work just fine
04:27<berto>for USB drives
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04:29<ctaylor>berto: because that doesnt always work. You need to be able to boot the USB stick in order to mount the CD image from it typically
04:29<ctaylor>IE that's what the USB stick images are for IIRC
04:29<jm_>that's how it was before squeeze so maybe just a leftover
04:30<berto>jm_: that's my impression
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04:30<ctaylor>I haven't used the USB images since pre-sarge
04:30<berto>I'd appreciate a note on that page saying that "you can just use one of these images in your USB drive. if they don't work, then go here"
04:31<berto>or something like that
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04:31<berto>but maybe it's just me :)
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04:34<classical>hey guys i was playing to swapiness and set a value 0 then reboot and start a programs to utilize ram i was monitoring ram utulization via htop when it reached to 800 mb then information start moving to swap why ? 1 have 1 gig ram 4x256. i have found some wired thing: htop and System monitor a gui tool show me the same amount of ram been used but top and free -m show me a different
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04:34<classical>top and free -m says that all my ram is almost utilized
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04:35<classical>why is there incompatible between thous tools ?
04:35<elena>jh
04:35<elena>gh
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04:42<vagvaf>hello people, i need some help in setting up my wired network, i already changed the line managed=false to true in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf and restart and now it says that the wired network is disconnected
04:43<vagvaf>how do i proceed from here?
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04:46<amitz>vagvaf: have you plugged in the cable?
04:47<amitz>on both sides?
04:47<vagvaf>yeah:P
04:47<amitz>who knows ;-). anyway, I don't know for now.
04:47<amitz>sorry, is the device of the other end is up?
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04:50<vagvaf>basically i want to know if i have to contact my network admin
04:50<vagvaf>or if this is a problem on my os
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04:58<SynrG>vagvaf: what's in /etc/network/interfaces for eth0?
04:58<vagvaf>amitz, its a university's plug i don't know what is happening on the other end, i just connected the UTP wire to my ethernet port
04:58<SynrG>vagvaf: so, let me get this straight. you *don't* want NM managing it?
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05:16<nickzxcv>i'm looking at line 26 of /etc/init.d/hostname.sh and I'm wondering where $(hostname) comes from?
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05:17<nickzxcv>oh, nvm
05:17<nickzxcv>i get it now
05:17<nickzxcv>i think
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05:18<nickzxcv>but somehow hostname becomes (none) instead of localhost
05:19<nickzxcv>does that just come from the kernel?
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05:20<mkad>Hi
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05:21<mkad>I cannot install pidgin in sid
05:21<SynrG>nickzxcv: /etc/hostname
05:23<SynrG>or else it uses the 'hostname' command
05:23<streuner__>mkad: what kind of error do you get?
05:23<streuner__>judd, versions pidgin
05:23<judd>Package pidgin on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze1; sid: 2.7.9-2; wheezy: 2.7.9-2
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05:24<nickzxcv>SynrG: yeah, i think the hostname command gets it from /proc/sys/kernel/hostname
05:24<nickzxcv>but (none) isn't a valid argument to the hostname command
05:24<nickzxcv>so /etc/init.d/hostname.sh fails
05:25<SynrG>huh? argument?
05:25<SynrG>oh, at line 32
05:26<nickzxcv>root@(none):~# hostname "$HOSTNAME"
05:26<nickzxcv>hostname: the specified hostname is invalid
05:26<SynrG>and the intended localhost fallback never happens
05:26<nickzxcv>exactly
05:27<SynrG>so i guess it should test explicitly for
05:27<SynrG>"(none)"
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05:27<nickzxcv>or try again with localhost if setting whatever fails?
05:27<SynrG>hm, yeah
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05:28<nickzxcv>this is a xen domU and i'm not sure most kernels would have this default or if its a xen thing
05:28<nickzxcv>its the generic amd64 kernel from squeeze
05:29<SynrG>i'm sure i've seen (none) before
05:29<SynrG>and i've never touched xen
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05:36<nickzxcv>a hack way to do it is change line 32 to hostname "$HOSTNAME" || hostname localhost
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05:36<nickzxcv>what would be a better way?
05:38<mkad>streuner__, there is not error just apt-get removed pidgin
05:38<mkad>streuner__, pidgin : Depends: libpurple0 (>= 2.7.0) but it is not going to be installed
05:39<nickzxcv>i read another bug where somebody said there should be better input validation from /etc/hostname and the maintainer said that was stupid
05:39<mkad>streuner__, empathy : Depends: libgstfarsight0.10-0 (>= 0.0.1) but it is not going to be installed
05:39<nickzxcv>but this is something from the kernel instead
05:39<mkad>streuner__, so basicaly there is no gui instant messanger in sid now
05:39<streuner__>mkad: what does BTS say about?
05:40<mkad>streuner__, apt-listbugs did not inform me about anything
05:40<streuner__>mkad: strange, it works here
05:40<streuner__>mkad: Please show us your sources.list in a pastebin
05:41<mkad>streuner__, this is quite fresh installation :|
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05:42<mkad>streuner__, I use standard repositories for sid and experimental (for gtk3 only) and ftp.debian-multimedia.org sid for multimedia
05:44<mkad>streuner__, libgstreamer0.10-0 : Conflicts: gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad (< 0.10.20.2) but 0.10.19-2.1 is to be installed
05:44<mkad>streuner__, I guess there is a conflict of gstreamer bad plugins which got updated recently
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05:48<streuner__>judd, versions libgstreamer0.10-0
05:48<judd>Package libgstreamer0.10-0 on i386 -- lenny: 0.10.19-3; lenny-backports: 0.10.30-1~bpo50+1; sid: 0.10.30-1; squeeze: 0.10.30-1; wheezy: 0.10.30-1
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05:49<streuner__>mkad: as i said before, pidgin is installable in sid, if you using only sid sources
05:50<mkad>streuner__, well I just see what happened...
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05:55<streuner__>mkad: please keep the convo here, so are other people able to help
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05:56<streuner__>mkad: but anyway, if you are using experimental stuff you are out of luck in most cases
05:56<R33D3M33R>hello, I have debian squeeze 6.0 installed and my lan connection drops and then reestablishes after some time, there are no errors in dmesg. Any ideas?
05:56<mkad>streuner__, I am not using experimental stuff sorry for confusing You
05:57<streuner__>mkad: well, please show us your sources.list in a pastebin
05:57<mkad>streuner__, anyway experimental repository in source list does not install anything by default
05:58<mkad>streuner__, maintainers uploaded to sid package from experimental by accident, thats why there is problem, it is investigated now and is going to be solved..
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05:59<mkad>streuner__, my sources.lists is not a single file
05:59<mkad>streuner__, but does not matter now:) we know what was the problem, thanks for Your patience
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06:00<R33D3M33R>and btw: the daemon's logs also don't show any errors :(
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06:00<jm_>perhaps you should provide some more details - i.e. what kind of connection
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06:01<R33D3M33R>its a cable connection to a router
06:02<R33D3M33R>i used to have ubuntu installed and the connection didn't drop, so it might be a issue of this system
06:02<R33D3M33R>connection on other computers doesn't drop, but those don't have debian installed
06:03<jm_>how do you know it drops?
06:03<R33D3M33R>for example: webpages don't load and clementine-player stops playing radio stream
06:04<R33D3M33R>it's like 30 seconds and then it gets up again and it works
06:04<R33D3M33R>i wasn't on the irc at that moment, so i don't know if it will also drop
06:05<jm_>you would probably want to investigate this on the router
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06:07<R33D3M33R>hm, so i should check the logs or something like that on it?
06:07<jm_>what kind of router is it?
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06:08<R33D3M33R>it's an asus (something) connected to the adsl modem
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06:09<R33D3M33R>the modem is online for sure as the: Online time is 09:22:04s
06:09<jm_>that probably has limited options to investigate this
06:09<R33D3M33R>so it doesn't drop
06:09<R33D3M33R>i don't know why there is nothing in the logs
06:10<jm_>because it doesn't look like an error that would be logged
06:10<R33D3M33R>aha, that makes sense
06:10<jm_>is it PPP connection?
06:11<foray>hello!is russian here&
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06:11<jm_>!ru
06:11<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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06:11<R33D3M33R>i think it is, if PPP means ADSL
06:11<foray>#debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
06:12<jm_>right, in that case you can try some more things - 1. have ADSL modem do PPP if it can (some can do this), 2. have your Debian system do PPP
06:14<R33D3M33R>so, if i understood correctly i should connect directly to the modem and see if the connection drops?
06:14<jm_>yup, but option will only work if modem can do PPP&NAT
06:15<jm_>option 1.
06:16<R33D3M33R>i think it can
06:17<R33D3M33R>i will try this, thank you for your help
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06:17<jm_>right, I use siol and I use it that way
06:18<jm_>(option 2., but it can also do 1.)
06:18<R33D3M33R>aha, sinope :D
06:18<jm_>indeed
06:19<R33D3M33R>well, me too
06:21<th>hi, i've just run aptitude update. the package list now seems weird: the package count in installed package is now just 65 and it seems to be moved to obsolete and locally created packages (1323)
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06:23<R33D3M33R>cool, i have just found the router's IP, will try to see if something is there :)
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06:30<Max452>anyone know about win 2003?
06:30<seeS>that's funny!
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07:00<R33D3M33R>well, my connection just dropped as mentioned above, but i didn't get disconnected from IRC
07:01<jm_>so there's probably no point in testing other connection methods
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07:05<SynrG>various irc networks are more or less tolerant of drops to mitigate against annoying bouncing up and down of poor connections. so not getting dropped from irc doesn't necessarily prove anything
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07:06<R33D3M33R>that might be true, but i'm connected to 3 irc networks, msn and jabber(gtalk)
07:06<R33D3M33R>and none did drop (at least i didn't notice it)
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07:06<SynrG>did you test with ping?
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07:07<jm_>yeah can you ping yourself on irc when it happens?
07:07<jm_>my el cheapo router has some screen where it shows traffic, perhaps look if yours has that too
07:08<R33D3M33R>ok, will try that
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07:09<SynrG>and check uptime on your router. are you watching lights on it? 30 seconds sounds suspiciously like the amount of time it might take for a router to reboot itself
07:10<jm_>well in that case IRC connection would surely drop
07:10<R33D3M33R>in the info it says: (747256 secs since boot)
07:11<R33D3M33R>so uptime is ok
07:12<SynrG>doing anything that would place heavy demands on the network? torrent with high connection count?
07:12<R33D3M33R>and the same for modem:   Online time: 10:24:56s
07:12<R33D3M33R>torrent is running, but connections are limited at 130 maximum
07:13<jm_>does it also happens when torrents are not active?
07:13<R33D3M33R>i think it did happen, when ktorrent wasn't running, but i'm not sure
07:13<R33D3M33R>will try that
07:14<SynrG>in particular, limit upload bandwidth to some reasonable fraction of your available bandwidth
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07:14<SynrG>and if your router ha QoS features (that work) then you might look into tuning that
07:15<SynrG>has8
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07:15<SynrG>grr. has*
07:16<SynrG>(well, upload and download both, but upload is usually the most constrained resource)
07:16<R33D3M33R>bandwidth was about 100/100 KB/s, max is around ~500, not sure about upload
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07:58<Vivek>I am trying to install Skype on Debian Squeeze and Skype doest not start
07:59<Vivek>I am getting the following error: skype: error while loading shared libraries: libQtDBus.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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08:01<themill>Vivek: amd64 or i386?
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08:02<Vivek>amd64
08:02<Vivek>themill: amd64
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08:03<themill>you need the "ia32-libs-gtk" package, possible amongst other ia32-* packages. /msg dpkg apt-file
08:03<wietrzny>hello i'm looking for some advice in repairing damaged installation of debian
08:03<Vivek>themill: apt-cache search ia32-libs-gtk
08:03<Vivek>ia32-libs-gtk - GTK+ ia32 shared libraries
08:04<Vivek>themill: Is this the one you are talking about ?
08:04<wietrzny>i forced installer to run rescue mode on partitioned hard drive what should i install next?
08:04<themill>Vivek: yeah... and for some reason it also includes Qt4. That's about the quality standard for the ia32-* packages.
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08:05<Vivek>I am installing ia32-libs-gtk
08:05<Vivek>Do you want me to install any other package ?
08:05<R33D3M33R>ok, ktorrent is turned off now, but the connection still drops, ping reponse was 20 seconds
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08:06<R33D3M33R>only things runnig are: web-radio (clementine) and iceweasel, 3 sites without flash or anything
08:07<jm_>R33D3M33R: in that case it does make try to test this without router
08:07<jm_>make sense and
08:07<Vivek>themill: Thanks it works
08:07<themill>excellent
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08:10<R33D3M33R>ok, will try
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08:54<eponymous>anyone know where I can find a good tutorial/guide to installing eclipse 4.1 on Squeeze?
08:54<eponymous>I can't seem to get 3.5 to download the PDT from helios, so I thought I'd take the opportunity to upgrade the IDE completely.
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08:56<jpluscplusm>hey all
08:56<eponymous>hi jpluscplusm
08:57<jpluscplusm>how can I do a (netinst+preseed) install without pulling in all the standard packages?
08:57<jpluscplusm>i'm sure it used to be possible ...
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08:59<jpluscplusm>the FAQ says "If you do a default Debian installation all the packages of priority Standard or higher will be installed in your system", kind of implying there's a way to avoid that default behaviour ...
08:59<jpluscplusm>or to tweak it, at least :-)
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09:06<themill>jpluscplusm: there's not much in the standard task that you won't get installed anyway by the time you install any other non-trivial package. Any reason not to just install it?
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09:10<jpluscplusm>themill: ta. I'm trying to come up with a preseed config as a base for very small VMs
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09:12<jpluscplusm>themill: but i'm getting some cruft I definitely don't need (virtualbox-ose-guest stuff in my test env) and I'd like to see what the system looks like without the standard set
09:12<jpluscplusm>those are 2 seperate issues, tho - I know :-)
09:13<themill>the guest additions will be from the hardware detection bits of the installer
09:13<jpluscplusm>yeah, it's annoying 'cos i'm only using vbox as a dev env
09:13<jpluscplusm>which then screws my disk space calcs for production VMs
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09:16<SynrG>jpluscplusm: i believe that's due to the tasksel task 'standard'
09:16<SynrG>isn't that just a checkbox you can uncheck?
09:16<SynrG>(or preseed away)
09:17<jpluscplusm>SynrG: i'm preseeding, and I've tried to exclude as much as poss
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09:17<jpluscplusm>i /think/ the problem is the tasksel --new-install invocation that one doesn't seem to be able to avoid
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09:18<SynrG>jpluscplusm: really? read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en#preseed-pkgsel
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09:19<SynrG>in particular "You can also choose to install no tasks, and force the installation of a set of packages in some other way. We recommend always including the standard task."
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09:19<jpluscplusm>SynrG: I'm on a mobile device at the moment; can't really check that url
09:19<SynrG>afaik, --new-install only changes what's visible to the user. if you're preseeding everything, that's not relevant.
09:20<SynrG>jpluscplusm: as i've quoted the section, there is no need.
09:20<jpluscplusm>but see here for the preseed lines I'm using: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2011/03/msg00007.html
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09:20<jpluscplusm>SynrG: ah, cheers :-)
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09:21<SynrG>jpluscplusm: that sentence *states* there is a way, but gives no example :p
09:21<SynrG>jpluscplusm: so either there's a bug in the code here or a bug in the doc.
09:22<SynrG>(or both :)
09:22<jpluscplusm>the "trailing space" alluded to in my msg to deb-boot is only mentioned on lists
09:22<jpluscplusm>not really documented anywhere afaict
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09:24<Daniel7>Hi to all. My machine is configured as a bridge: http://paste.debian.net/109252/
09:24<Daniel7>Hi to all. My machine is configured as a bridge: http://paste.debian.net/109252/ . I use it with a Squid transparent proxy.
09:25<Daniel7>But since I removed network-manager, I cannot access to the Internet anymore
09:26<SynrG>do you have anything in /etc/network/interfaces to configure eth0?
09:26<SynrG>or is it all managed via this script?
09:27<jpluscplusm>SynrG: any idea what I should file a bug against to get someone in the know to provide that noop example?
09:27<Daniel7>SynrG: sorry, I forgot to mention that the paste is from /etc/rc.local
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09:27<Daniel7>I can ping the default gw from my machine, and the bridge is still on, as users on the inside network can access the Web.
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09:28<jpluscplusm>Daniel7: if you can ping the gateway, you're fine
09:28<SynrG>jpluscplusm: the source package name is installation-guide
09:28<Daniel7>file /etc/network/interfaces contains just the definition for the loopback interface
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09:29<zxd>dante-server removed from lenny
09:29<zxd>where can I read why
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09:29<Daniel7>Yes, that's what is weird. I can ping the default gw and I have a default route, however cannot go outside
09:29<Daniel7>but users on rthe inside network can
09:29<SynrG>no idea.
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09:29<jpluscplusm>Daniel7: do you have a particular need to manage it manually instead of jus re-installing netowkrmanager?
09:30<jpluscplusm>and can you ping something external? like 8.8.8.8?
09:31<jpluscplusm>SynrG: ta, I'll file this afternoon :-)
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09:32<Daniel7>jpluscplusm: I cannot ping anything outside the gw. My routing table (route -e) is at http://paste.debian.net/109254
09:34<Daniel7>I removed network-manager as it kept modifying my DNS settings, and I prefer to manage this by myself by editing the standard config files
09:34<jpluscplusm>yeah; it does that :-/
09:34<Daniel7>I found this annoying.
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09:37<Daniel7>What it is strange, is that I cannot even ping my outside DNS servers, but I can resolve names!
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09:38<mozepha>Hello
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09:38<Daniel7>Any way to tell Linux to use the bridge from my own machine -- as users of the inside network do?
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09:39<jpluscplusm>Daniel7: that'll be because your NS is reachable via layer 2, i.e. not routed
09:39<jpluscplusm>try this:
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09:39<jpluscplusm>ip r a 192.168.1.1 dev eth0
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09:39<jpluscplusm>adjust eth0 for your interface name
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09:40<jpluscplusm>and I'm assuming .1.1 is your g/w
09:40<R33D3M33R>hello again, i have found the possible cause of my network problem: it's iceweasel. I'm almost 100% that is it
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09:41<Daniel7>jpluscplusm: that's ip route add 192.168.1.1. dev eth0, right?
09:41<jpluscplusm>Daniel7: ip r s, same difference
09:41<jpluscplusm>ip r a
09:41<jpluscplusm>i mean
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09:42<Daniel7>jpluscplusm: Yes, 192.168.1.1 is my gw, 192.168.1.2 is my bridge. But the interface on the gw side is eth1, not eth0.
09:42<SynrG>R33D3M33R: iceweasel can freeze up for a long time when it writes its history file, particularly in the degenerate case of ext filesystem on a flash drive or SSD
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09:42<SynrG>ENICK
09:42<SynrG>oh, no, that was correct :)
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09:43<R33D3M33R>hm, but strangely: i have used firefox 3.6.(some number here) before and this didn't happen
09:43<SynrG>R33D3M33R: one thing that helps in that case is to disable iceweasel writing to the history db
09:43<jpluscplusm>Daniel7: use whichever physical interface you use to hit the g/w
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09:44<SynrG>R33D3M33R: running any flash in the browser? if so, try doing without it
09:44<R33D3M33R>no, nothing
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09:44<R33D3M33R>just loaded up the browser and tried to search with google bar
09:44<R33D3M33R>and then, connection drops for ~20-30 seconds
09:44<R33D3M33R>after that it works again
09:44<jpluscplusm>Daniel7: or failing that, just ip r a 192.168.1.1 br0
09:45<SynrG>when you say "connection drops" you now mean "iceweasel becomes unresponsive"?
09:45<R33D3M33R>no
09:45<R33D3M33R>all programs loose connection
09:45<jpluscplusm>Daniel7: sorry, dev br0 that is
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09:45<R33D3M33R>for example clementine-player and also if i ping myself on irc, it take 20 sec to respond
09:46<R33D3M33R>and also the torrent's stops
09:46<Daniel7>jpluscplusm: when I add the route to dev eth1, I have a message "RTNETLINK answers: file exists"
09:46<R33D3M33R>but atm, there are no torrent's running
09:46<Daniel7>jpluscplusm: when I add the route to dev eth0, no change
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09:47<R33D3M33R>there are also no error logs of the event and so on
09:47<Daniel7>when I add the route to dev br0, same message "RTNETLINK answers: file exists"
09:48<jpluscplusm>ah, I'd missed the large netmask on br0
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09:48<eponymous>I'm having trouble getting Compiz & Docky working in Gnome on Squeeze. Compiz doesn't seem to work any of its settings, though the installation doesn't through-up any errors. Docky installs but has a black border and asks for compositing to be enabled (via Compiz or via metacity).
09:48<eponymous>what is a "software rasterizer" and how do I disable it?
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09:49<Daniel7>jpluscplusm: Yes, it's a /20 subnet: 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.15.254
09:49<SynrG>R33D3M33R: while iceweasel triggers the problem, the actual cause is more likely at a lower level. crappy driver perhaps?
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09:50<R33D3M33R>you mean for wifi? i don't have that, i'm connected via cable
09:50<jpluscplusm>Daniel7: ok; pls pastie "ip a s; ip l l"
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09:51<SynrG>R33D3M33R: which chipset?
09:52<SynrG>R33D3M33R: wifi doesn't "own" all of the network driver problems ;)
09:52<R33D3M33R>Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP55 Ethernet (rev a2)
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09:52<R33D3M33R>could ipv6 be the cause?
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09:53<SynrG>lspci -nn
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09:53<jpluscplusm>Daniel7: you understood what I asked?
09:54<R33D3M33R> Bridge [0680]: nVidia Corporation MCP55 Ethernet [10de:0373] (rev a2)
09:54<Daniel7>jpluscplusm: yes :) http://paste.debian.net/109257
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09:55<SynrG>R33D3M33R: hm. i have that hardware and have never experienced this problem :/
09:55<SynrG>R33D3M33R: stock debian kernel?
09:55<R33D3M33R>yes, freshly installed squeeze
09:56<R33D3M33R>Linux debian 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 04:01:41 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
09:56<SynrG>can't say about ipv6
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09:56<gsimmons>zxd: See Debian bug #368322.
09:56<SynrG>seems somehow unlikely, but i don't really have the experience to pass judgement on that.
09:57<SynrG>R33D3M33R: any errors logged against the interface? (check ipconfig)
09:57<SynrG>ifconfig, obviously
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09:59<cmot>sieve question:
09:59<cmot>to store a mail in two folders: do I just use "fileinto" twice, or do I need the ":copy" extension for the first fileinto?
10:00<Daniel7>jpluscplusm: just to note, I am using external DNS: 208.67.222.222 and 220.220
10:00<jpluscplusm>sure about that? :-)
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10:01<R33D3M33R>RX packets:4982369 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
10:01<R33D3M33R>TX packets:3490025 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
10:01<jpluscplusm>dig jpluscplusm.com and check what NS dig tells you its using
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10:02<SynrG>R33D3M33R: i'm out of ideas :/
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10:02<R33D3M33R>thanks anyway
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10:02<SynrG>got another interface you can use instead?
10:02<R33D3M33R>no
10:03<SynrG>if you had a usb gadget or something ... you could see whether the problem is device-specific.
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10:03<R33D3M33R>no, i don't have another card :/
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10:04<SynrG>nor friends or coworkers who could help, hm?
10:04<R33D3M33R>i will use chromium for a while
10:04<R33D3M33R>maybe the connection won't drop
10:04<SynrG>it's certainly a strange one if only iceweasel triggers it :/
10:04<R33D3M33R>yes
10:04<R33D3M33R>funny
10:04<Daniel7>jpluscplusm: output at http://paste.debian.net/109259
10:05<R33D3M33R>because i used firefox before and it was fine, but that was another distro
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10:05<jpluscplusm>Daniel7: ok, i think *a* problem may be the screwy network setup. am i right to assume you're offering transparent proxying to the /20 inside, via ethX, and you're reaching the router via ethY?
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10:06<jpluscplusm>the problem may be that your gateway IP exists inside the /20 on the inside, logically, but you want to route packets to it via the external interfac
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10:08<jpluscplusm>Daniel7: I have to head off - see if you can set up a /32 to the gateway via the correct interface
10:08<jpluscplusm>the longer prefix may overide the /20 and mask the underlying problem
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10:08<kop>R33D3M33R: Just for grins you could try installing the user-agent-switcher firefox plugin into iceweasel and pretend to be another browser and see if that matters.
10:08<Daniel7>jpluscplusm: yes, you're right. Thanks a lot Jonathan :)
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10:09<SynrG>R33D3M33R: if i didn't know better, i'd tell you what you're experiencing is impossible ;)
10:09<R33D3M33R>ok, will try that
10:09<SynrG>good luck
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10:10<Daniel7>jpluscplusm: goodbye, and have a nice cockney evening :)
10:10<vane>alguien puede confirmarme si estoy conectada
10:11<R33D3M33R>thanks
10:11<Daniel7>vane: yes ;)
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10:12<vane>gracias.Me hace ilusion ,es la 1º vez ke chateo
10:12<kop>!br
10:12<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:12<Daniel7>!es
10:12<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:15<Daniel7>bye to all
10:16<vane>no se ke dice del canal ke no es en español
10:17<SynrG>!pt
10:17<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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10:22<tarzeau>did anyone try this? http://wiki.debian.org/Sparc64
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10:42<eponymous>anyone know how I can get eclipse to create a workspace within my webroot?
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10:42<eponymous>I keep getting permission issues whenever I try to move an existing project there
10:44<SynrG>not without details
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10:46<eponymous>SynrG, I have set up apache2 with a directory /home/www where I at present do my scripting
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10:47<eponymous>my work is getting a little more complex and the sites need better organisation, so I installed PDT for Eclipse
10:47<eponymous>but, having set that up, I need to give Eclipse a "workspace"
10:47<eponymous>I can't get eclipse to create that workspace within /home/www/whatever
10:48<eponymous>because it does not have root permissions.
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10:49<eponymous>I don't know if I can give permissions to eclipse using some chown/chmod command and I don't think it's wise to relax the permission level on the /home/www folder so that any user can write to it...
10:49<eponymous>so, my thinking is that I need to run eclipse as root.
10:49<eponymous>but, don't know how.
10:51<SynrG>you don't give permissions to applications
10:51<SynrG>you give permissions to directories ...
10:51<SynrG>and files
10:51<SynrG>i wouldn't run eclipse as root, no
10:51<SynrG>why *any* user?
10:52<eponymous>ok, so how would I go about making sure eclipse could access the directory?
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10:52<SynrG>you can add all developers working on /home/www to a group
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10:52<CaBa>hi
10:52<SynrG>and grant group read/write access on that directory tree
10:52<eponymous>ah
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10:53<eponymous>ok, I'll give that a go
10:53<CaBa>can someone recommend an alternative to egroupware? we actually only need a corporate calendar (shared), thats the only component we used in egroupware. authentication should be possible with ldap
10:53<SynrG>is the tree already owned by some group?
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10:53<SynrG>if so, you could just add yourself to that group.
10:53<eponymous>not sure, I created the directory as root
10:53<eponymous>and I think only root has read write access
10:53<eponymous>I haven't even given my user account access
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10:54<eponymous>(this is all for testing/development work for myself, not for a group of developers)
10:54<winnie_>hello everyone
10:54<SynrG>my preferred way to develop anything web-targetted is to use some small personal webserver in the workspace ...
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10:54<winnie_>stupid me went without thinking and bought a laptop battery from china
10:54<SynrG>and not have the main web server have any access to it.
10:55<SynrG>then have your makefile for the project have some target to publish to the real web server
10:55<winnie_>suprisingly, 10 days later i did get the battery, and even more suprisingly, i am on my 2nd and half hour without charging it as we speak
10:55<eponymous>ah
10:55<SynrG>during development, test everything with the personal web server only
10:55<SynrG>until you have it all working, then as root, publish
10:55<winnie_>my problem is that the battery came with a driver CD to be installed on windows
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10:55<winnie_>i've never heard of drivers for a laptop battery before
10:55<eponymous>hmm, I just test on the main webserver because at the end of the day it's nothing more than a testing environment
10:56<SynrG>eponymous: there are plenty of personal web servers. java has one called ... the name slips my mind ... i'm sure eclipse comes with something bundled tho
10:56<winnie_>it does work, but it doesnt update the percentage of it as long as i am running debian, but only when i restart...
10:56<eponymous>when my sites are ready, I upload to hosting sites online.
10:56<winnie_>google doesnt turn up anything
10:57<SynrG>eponymous: jetty
10:57<eponymous>hmm, well I'll look into that but right now I'm going to try creating a group and giving it read and write permission ...
10:57<cmot>CaBa: horde has a calendar module; there's kolab (not sure if the web frontend is in debian though)
10:57<sney>winnie_: is the cd really drivers or some kind of management software?
10:57<eponymous>SynrG, thank's for the informed help... as you can see, I'm still a total newbie to development within Debian.
10:57<winnie_>its not management software
10:57<SynrG>eponymous: np
10:58<winnie_>it seems to be some kind of bios patch?
10:58<cmot>CaBa: there's also citadel (never looked at it though)
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10:59<winnie_>i extracted the exe and got a .DAT file and another .exe
10:59<cmot>CaBa: then there are the "almost but not really open source" solutions (kerio, zimbra, scalix, openxchange, opengroupawre.org and sogo)
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11:00<cmot>CaBa: and there's also an egroupware fork that I always forget the name of. tuna? tine?
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11:00<winnie_>i know my question sounds very vague but i was just wondering if there is some kernel module with extra battery drivers if there even is such a thing
11:00<cmot>winnie_: batteries should all be supported by standard acpi drivers as far as I know
11:00<sney>there are a few kernel modules and sets of modules for specific weird laptop hardware acpi stuff
11:01<sney>i.e. toshiba
11:01<cmot>winnie_: was the old battery supported with that laptop?
11:01<winnie_>sney is that in the debian repos?
11:01<winnie_>yeah no probs but it was just dead as hell
11:01<sney>it's just included, you can find them in /lib/modules
11:02<winnie_>it does recognize the battery
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11:02<sney>but it probably doesn't include your device
11:02<winnie_>and it even gives the right watts
11:02<cmot>usually these modules should be autoloaded by udev at boot, not?
11:02<sney>yeah
11:02<winnie_>the laptop is a vaio so the acpi modules are already not exacly linux optimal
11:02<winnie_>but the original battery worked fine
11:03<winnie_>its the weird chinese one that doesnt update
11:03<cmot>hmm. do you have a dual boot windows or a 2nd vaio to check if the battery works as it should on windows?
11:03<winnie_>first it was stuck at 50%, then i rebooted for some other reason, and sudenly it showed 10% and 20 minutes time left
11:03<winnie_>that was an hour ago
11:03<winnie_>hell no i dont have windows :)
11:04<sney>oh, it's a vaio? ouch
11:04<winnie_>yeap...
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11:04<winnie_>i should've learned from my first vaio..
11:04<SynrG>you know gnome-power-manager makes predictions based on past performance ...
11:04<winnie_>aaaaaaaaaaah!
11:04<SynrG>if you're using that, initially you'll get strange values. after a while, it learns.
11:05<SynrG>have a look at its graphs
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11:05<winnie_>well that explains everything
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11:05<winnie_>yeah it only has a 2 hour old graph
11:05<winnie_>thats how long i've been using the new battery
11:05<SynrG>it even has graphs showing accuracy of its predictions at various charge levels
11:05<winnie_>but shouldnt the current percentange of charge be right?
11:05<SynrG>well, just use 'acpi -b' for that
11:06<SynrG>it has no concept of history, i think
11:06<sney>all it gets is a mAh reading though, right
11:06<winnie_>Battery 0: Discharging, 15%, 00:25:12 remaining
11:06<winnie_>it gives the identical value as gnome-power-manager
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11:06<jhutchins_lt>winnie_: It has a pretty good idea where full charge is, but no idea how far down the bottom is.
11:06<winnie_>ah alright
11:07<winnie_>so i should just give it some time and not fuck with it right now
11:07<winnie_>perfect
11:07<jhutchins_lt>winnie_: Laptop batteries tend to have a slow decay then an abrupt drop-off.
11:07<winnie_>alrighty then
11:07<winnie_>thnx for all the help
11:07<winnie_>god damn this irc live help thing is very very very spoiling
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11:11<CaBa>cmot: hm, i think horde is pretty bloated and probably dead, right?
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11:12<CaBa>cmot: i don't really need a webif, i'm probably fine with caldav... i just figured that an ldap support patch comes with the squeeze package of calendarserver, i'm looking into that i think...
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11:15<KOJIbKA>hello
11:15<sney>hi
11:15<dzakub>Hi
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11:16<KOJIbKA>for last 20 hours or so i'm playing with squeeze install. everything looks better than lenny. though my laptop synaptics touchpad behaves in a strange manner. coursor is moving but not able to tap an objects. installed 'gpointing-device-settings' package. it has option to disable tap. nevermind what is set - tapping on touchpad gives no result. any idea?
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11:16<sney>I remember something about that
11:16<SynrG>KOJIbKA: tap-to-click is disabled by default, as documented.
11:17<SynrG>KOJIbKA: you need to confirm you're actually using synaptics though ...
11:17<KOJIbKA>SynrG: How to enable it then?
11:17<SynrG>check Xorg.0.log
11:17<SynrG>well, first see if this command gives any results:
11:17<SynrG>synclient -l
11:18<SynrG>also, read http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad
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11:20<KOJIbKA>Here is output of Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/8VdMY2fq concerining synaptics
11:20<sney>references to 2.6.30 and no xorg.conf.d/, that wiki page needs updating
11:21<KOJIbKA>sorry i'm out for some time
11:21<SynrG>if sney no ...
11:21<SynrG>s/if//
11:21<SynrG>well, yes, it needs updating, but if you look carefully there is a section i added on squeeze :)
11:21<SynrG>should be promoted to the front
11:22<SynrG>(that was pre squeeze release, so i left the lenny-oriented material intact)
11:22<SynrG>KOJIbKA: i'd rather have seen the whole log ...
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11:24<SynrG>KOJIbKA: do you have anything in xorg.conf about input devices?
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11:25<SynrG>btw, i get the same "PreInit failed" in mine, yet it works fine for me.
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11:29<SynrG>my experience with gpointing-device-settings is that it is meant to work with gnome (or at least gconf) and does not work so well in other environments (e.g. LXDE) without the necessary daemons started
11:29<SynrG>so instead, i just made a synaptics.conf as per the wiki page cited above.
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11:35<amphi_>SynrG: is xinput no good to you?
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11:39<SynrG>amphi: does xinput support the full range of options as documented in synaptics(4)? i dunno. i've never tried it
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11:39<SynrG>amphi: i just find text conf files exceedingly easy and gui configurators frustratingly stupid and limited
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11:39<SynrG>(mind you, not all of them, but as a rule, generally ...)
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11:43<dzakub>Hmm... How can I run "Music on Console" player without physics soundcard?
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11:43<dzakub>Because I want to play sound but to virtual device
11:43<cahoot>dzakub: IIRC alsa offers a dummy device
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11:44<dzakub>Okay, I will check it
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11:54<lexi>hey I'm having an issue with some audio drivers
11:54<lexi>anyone here?
11:54<lexi>http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/XPSm1530
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11:54<lexi>that is my laptop
11:54<lexi>in the audio section it says to add a line to a file that does not exist
11:54<lexi>anyone know what I should do?
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11:57<arand>lexi: I'm using the same computer and hasn't had any issues with sound from what I can tell, but if the file doesn't exist, likely you'll have to create it..
11:57<lexi>oh ok did you ever use mumble?
11:57<lexi>I mean I can play sound
11:57<lexi>just mumble crashes everything
11:57<lexi>to do with sound
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11:59<arand>No never tried mumble, I have issues with concurrent sound, but I guessed that was just a matter of installing PA if I really get bothered by it.
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11:59<lexi>PA?
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12:01<arand>pulseaudio, hm, tohug it seems like mumble automatically installs it...
12:01<cahoot>lexi: create the file
12:01<lexi>yeah I created the file
12:01<lexi>and ran the init.d/module init thing
12:01<lexi>and mumble still dies
12:02<lexi>it eats up resources
12:02<lexi>and does nothing
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12:02<cahoot>what ' init.d/module init thing' ?
12:02<jhutchins_lt>,info mumble
12:03<judd>Package mumble (sound, optional) in squeeze/i386: Low latency VoIP client. Version: 1.2.2-6; Size: 2141.4k; Installed: 4024k; Homepage: http://mumble.sourceforge.net/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/mumble
12:03<vane>porke no entiendo nada?
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12:03<jhutchins_lt>!es
12:03<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:07<vane>#devia-es hispano
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12:09<retrospectacus>so close! / must be the first character
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12:11<amphi>SynrG: dunno about synaptics, I have no pad, but it does most if not all the options for my trackpoint
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12:24<arand>Is ftp.gb.debian.org working for anyone else, (trying to figure out if my isp blocks ftp or if it's just plain down)
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12:25<daemonkeeper>ftp.gb? What should that be? UK=
12:26<arand>main UK server, according to my squeeze, yea.
12:26<daemonkeeper>There is no such thing in the official mirror list. http://www.debian.org/mirror/list UK is http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/
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12:27<arand>ok... I wonder why my apt thinks it should be there then...
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12:27<cahoot>mint involved?
12:28<arand>Nope.
12:28<daemonkeeper>Isn't mint based on Ubuntu?
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12:29<arand>daemonkeeper: both, but anyways.
12:30<daemonkeeper>Yup
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12:30<A34CV5>Hello
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12:32<A34CV5>SO I'm guessing that people don't say much here.
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12:33<arand>Where are the data for the different repos kept anyways, which package?
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12:38<RD>any one around for a couple quick debian questions for a noob?
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12:38<Turquoise>!ask
12:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:39<RD>!ask minimum hardware
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12:39<daemonkeeper>*g* The bot is not /that/ smart
12:39<RD>lol
12:39<RD>i have same issue with me
12:40<thewanderer1>RD: this is all in the manual
12:40<RD>sweet, there is a manual?
12:40<daemonkeeper>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/
12:42<daemonkeeper>However, Debian might run on pretty much everything you can imagine and is a supported architecture.
12:42<RD>have an old server, about 10 years old, was going to try to install server only install on
12:43<daemonkeeper>Debian runs fine, you might encount some problems depending on the purpose
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12:44<RD>just a back up server, low volume storage and web
12:44<daemonkeeper>Well, find out
12:45<daemonkeeper>Should be fine. Memory could be a problem on run time.
12:45<RD>am firing it up right now, and yeah only 512 memory, so don;t have high hopes
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12:46<SynrG>512M is huge
12:46<thewanderer1>I used to run a server on P3, 128MB of RAM and it served me well as a home WWW/MySQL/PHP appliance
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12:47<daemonkeeper>Well, not huge but reasonably ok.
12:47<daemonkeeper>For moderate load this sould be seamless.
12:47<SynrG>for the intended purpose
12:47<daemonkeeper>Yeah
12:48<RD>is a dual processor, 550, don;t have high hopes, but am curious to how it will perform, am curious, am guessing it won;t see my raid config though?
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12:49<thewanderer1>you'd have to tell us what kind of "RAID" config it is
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12:49<RD>as in controller, or the way is configured?
12:49<thewanderer1>both won't hurt
12:50<RD>compaq 221 array controller, with 6 disks, in raid 0,1 for 3 disks total
12:50<RD>but the array was made in windows server
12:50<daemonkeeper>Well, that's a hardware RAID. That means it is transparent to the operating system.
12:51<daemonkeeper>The operating system will (most likely) see it as single device only
12:51<thewanderer1>you probably only need the chipset drivers for it as a controller
12:51<tharkun>What is the difference between lenny-backports and lenny-backports-sloppy ?
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12:52<rpetre>tharkun: -sloppy are for people who don't plan to upgrade to squeeze
12:52<rpetre>so packages there might be newer than squeeze stuff
12:53<rpetre>i think it's possible to upgrade from lenny + l-b-s to squeeze + s-b, but it's somewhere in the backports documentation
12:53<daemonkeeper>Sounds like a bad idea to me, this may break the system as soon as oldstable is dropped.
12:53<tharkun>Precisely i was thinking that
12:54<rpetre>!backports-sloppy
12:54<dpkg>stable-backports has packages from packages the current 'testing' release; you can upgrade from stable+backports to testing (or oldstable+backports to stable). Packages that were backported from 'testing' to 'oldstable' are in oldstable-backports-sloppy; if you use these packages, then you can upgrade from oldstable+backports+backports-sloppy to stable+backports. Sloppy means "relaxed rules" not "crap packages".
12:55<tharkun>rpetre: thanks for the information.
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12:55<brlancer>using apt pinning, I would think you *can* go from lenny+l-b-s to squeeze
12:56<rpetre>no problem. but i'd consider upgrading to squeeze rather than using -sloppy
12:56<valdyn>brlancer: using pinning thats not really going to squeeze
12:56<brlancer>and it will install older revs from squeeze
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12:56<valdyn>brlancer: and even though it might work, thats one unsupportable package combination
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12:56<brlancer>oh, I'm not suggesting it :)
12:56<rpetre>brlancer: adding squeeze-backports would be a lot less painful
12:57<brlancer>but I think it is doable
12:57<rpetre>brlancer: "just because you CAN, it doesn't mean you SHOULD" :)
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12:59<brlancer>totally agreed - I'm just trying to say that there are a few options
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13:00<tharkun>hmm gentlemen if i have postfix 2.8 from sid, which libraries for postgres would it be using? Also postgresql would be 9.0.3. What is the safest (securest) way to proceed compile them from source on a separate environment or directly import the binary packages?
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13:10<RD>am in luck it saw my array
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13:11<daemonkeeper>That's not about luck. Luck is, if you could /configure/ it.
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13:11<daemonkeeper>That is still a big issue for most hardware controller on Linux.
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13:12<RD>ahh, yes i have not got that far yet.
13:13<tchnkion-wrek-gar>having problems unzipping a gunzip file which has been archived into multiple parts http://paste.debian.net/109278/ -help
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13:15<RD>the configuration was made in windows, and seen on bios level, so has been picked up in linux, do you mean the configuration of future arrays once installed?
13:15<daemonkeeper>Yup
13:15<rpetre>tchnkion-wrek-gar: it depends on how the archive was split, gzip doesn't do that itself afaik
13:15<daemonkeeper>Or just detect a faulty RAID / disk
13:16<rpetre>try cat *tar.gz.??? | gunzip | tar -xf - -C target_dir/
13:16<RD>luckilly i don;t think i will have to do any more configurations, and have a dozen or so spare drives, so i can replace if they go bad, and now i see your faulty raid detection, will have to think on that. should have probably made them all singles.
13:17<jhutchins_lt>tchnkion-wrek-gar: Have you tried gunzipping the first file of the set?
13:17<tchnkion-wrek-gar>it's a single tar file split into multiple .gz parts - just need to know how to get it back to the single .tar file
13:17<amitz>for tunneling only purposes with key based authentication, what's the best adduser parameter? I'm thinking of adduser --disabled-password --no-create-home, but I need the home to store .ssh/authorized_key. Is there a way to get around the need to make user-home?
13:17<RD>only 3rd day really messing around with linux, did a couple ubuntu installs, and red hat once before turn of century, so most of this is very new to me
13:17<tchnkion-wrek-gar>the gzip site doesn't say how to do it - and no
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13:18<rpetre>tchnkion-wrek-gar: it depends how they split it. if it was very simply split with no extra headers, my pipeline should work
13:19<DrSampler>i think x-archiver will unpack this w/o any problems
13:19<DrSampler>just unpack it and then, pack it back
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13:20<tchnkion-wrek-gar>rpetre, explain - my pipeline?
13:20<tchnkion-wrek-gar>x-archiver won't work
13:20<rpetre>tchnkion-wrek-gar: 20:16 < rpetre> try cat *tar.gz.??? | gunzip | tar -xf - -C target_dir/
13:20<tchnkion-wrek-gar>rpetre, k
13:21<jhutchins_lt>tchnkion-wrek-gar: Try using a wildcard to include all of the segments.
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13:23<tchnkion-wrek-gar>rpetre, jhutchins_lt - it seems to be working - what exactly does - -C mean?
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13:24<rpetre>-C tells tar to uncompress in that directory instead of the current one
13:24<rpetre>and - means standard input
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13:24<daemonkeeper>RD: Well, you could always use software RAID. You get monitoring and fault detection for free.
13:25<tchnkion-wrek-gar>rpetre, was wondering why use cat?
13:25<rpetre>tchnkion-wrek-gar: to concatenate the files in the alphabetical order
13:25<rpetre>just dumps all their bits into gunzip
13:26<RD>had thuoght about that, but would have to reconfigure all drives to singles, at that point, would i lose hot swap campatibility using software raid?
13:26<rpetre>(it's one of the few cases where cat usage is justified in a pipeline ;) )
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13:26<daemonkeeper>RD: You can do all you can do with your hardware RAID by using a Linux software RAID.
13:27<tchnkion-wrek-gar>rpetre, when using *tar.gz.??? why use the ??? instead of ***
13:27<daemonkeeper>RD: When comparing with high-end enterprise controllers you have some performance penalties to use SW RAID, but I don't think this applies for your controller anyway.
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13:28<RD>i may have to look into that, did not know much about raid/ hotswap till a few weeks ago, and the idea is not nearly as cool as i thought it would be
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13:28<rpetre>tchnkion-wrek-gar: ??? means three characters. i used it to make sure cat sees only your archive parts, wasn't sure what else is there
13:28<rpetre>*** would be the same as *, means any number of characters
13:29<daemonkeeper>RD: Depends on your RAID. On the other hand, chances are your controller /is/ supported on Linux, including management and monitoring. Just find out by using your favorite search engine.
13:29<tchnkion-wrek-gar>would the same thing happen if wildcard was used?
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13:31<tchnkion-wrek-gar>rpetre, would the same thing happen if wildcard was used?
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13:31<rpetre>tchnkion-wrek-gar: probably, depending what else was in that directory
13:31<rpetre>also, ? is a wildcard too :)
13:32<tchnkion-wrek-gar>k
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13:32<RD>awesome, will do that, someone mentioned the other day that webmin was not very good to use? am using an install tutotial of sorts, which uses webmin, am on install of second comp, so getting more familiar with it.
13:32<tchnkion-wrek-gar>rpetre, so going i reverse if gzip was used to split a file 2G or more into multiple parts what would be the best way to do it via terminal?
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13:33<tchnkion-wrek-gar>*i = in
13:33<Arrowmaster>!webmin
13:33<dpkg>Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives.
13:33<rpetre>tchnkion-wrek-gar: there was an utility, i forgot what it's called
13:33<rpetre>tchnkion-wrek-gar: it's 'split' , go figure :)
13:34<tchnkion-wrek-gar>? gzip split?
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13:34<daemonkeeper>Oh, I want to appear on the hate list for webmin too!
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13:35<tchnkion-wrek-gar>rpetre, ?gzip split?
13:36<RD>i guess is a common opinion not to use it then, laughs. i took a look at the free whcp list, but was really greek to me on what to chose,
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13:36<daemonkeeper>RD: The best choice is "none".
13:36<rpetre>tchnkion-wrek-gar: no, you'd do a regular tar -czf output.tar.gz , then use /usr/bin/split on that file, see man split
13:37<RD>none would require all command prompt, right?
13:38<tchnkion-wrek-gar>k
13:38<daemonkeeper>RD: Right. You don't need it, you can do everything by hand. This requires a lot of time and invest to become familiar, but it is worth it, especially since /none/ of this tools is fairly complete or well integrated into the means of the distribution.
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13:39<daemonkeeper>RD: If you don't think you could do it by hand, in my opinion, you should not run a server. This should not disadvise you to use Webmin or alternatives, if you feel you would absolutely need it.
13:39<rpetre>RD: my experience with webmin and similar tools is that you'd have to be familiar with what the tools behind them do anyway (specific switches and config options), so in the end it becomes just an impediment of getting things done
13:40<daemonkeeper>rpetre: And a free root kit
13:40<rpetre>so you'd be better off doing them the "old-fashioned" way
13:40<rpetre>daemonkeeper: refreshed every month
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13:41<lostsoul1234>I'm trying to install debian 6.0 and keep failing at "select and install software"
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13:43<lostsoul1234>The install just says that it failed, but no details. How can I find out exactly what is failing?
13:43<lostsoul1234>Any debian guru out here today?
13:43<RD>i am more than willing to invest the time, and , no with my knowledge i probably "shouldn't" be trying to run a server. never mind a few of them. but i just can;t stop my wanting to. my last command line experience prior to yesterday, and what limited use i made of dos, was dare i say 1985 or so?
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13:45<flypiper>lostsoul1234, are you installing from a CD that has all of the software on it? or from the network?
13:46<retrospectacus>RD: I use Plesk - it is not free but I like that it provides a nice (though slow) frontend for the end users
13:46<lostsoul1234>flypiper - it is a network install
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13:46<flypiper>lostsoul1234, is your network connection working?
13:46<flypiper>lostsoul1234, wait... wired connection or wireless?
13:47<lostsoul1234>flypiper yeah, it seems pretty solid. wireless.
13:47<flypiper>lostsoul1234, are you getting an error or how is it "failing"?
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13:48<lostsoul1234>fly, it starts the "select and install software" phase, works for awhile, and then declares that the install failed.
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13:48<SynrG>alt-f4 (i think) to check any errors there
13:49<flypiper>SynrG, thanks ben
13:49<lostsoul1234>thanks synrg, I'll give that a try
13:49<daemonkeeper>RD: Doesn't matter, the DOS prompt is boring and limited, when compared to a Linux shell anyway ;)
13:51<SynrG>lostsoul1234: out of disk space?
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13:51<lostsoul1234>synrg, no plenty of disk and memory
13:52<RD>yeah i found that out the otherday when playing around in it, is a little cumbersome at first, but more comfortable now that i know a few commands. lots to learn ahead of me. i was excited to first play with windows server OS's, after a couple weeks of playing with them, the disks are noe beverage coasters
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13:52<lostsoul1234>synrg, no point in trying to troubleshoot until I get more info from the alt-f4... eventually
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14:00<SIDkisMETZZ>hi
14:00<lostsoul1234>SynrG and flypiper - thanks for your help, the alt-f4 is what I needed
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14:00<SynrG>lostsoul1234: found the issue?
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14:01<SIDkisMETZZ>i have a small problem. Any one has a suggestion on how to read a live pcap produced by some other utility with tcpdump or wireshark so that it auto refreshes and displays new packet..pretty much like tailing a file ?
14:02<ebest97>judd, versions xchat
14:02<judd>Package xchat on i386 -- lenny: 2.8.6-2.1; sid: 2.8.8-3; squeeze: 2.8.8-3; wheezy: 2.8.8-3
14:02<lostsoul1234>SynrG: no, it is going to take a while to figure out what is messing up the install, but at least I'm not flying blind now. I've got to simplify things now
14:03<flypiper>lostsoul1234, what is Alt-F4 tell you?
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14:04<lostsoul1234>flypiper, it shows what the install is doing when it fails
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14:04<flypiper>lostsoul1234, that is what I want to know????
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14:05<lostsoul1234>flypiper, well, at the moment, it seems to be hung up setting up "discover". If it doesn't get past there, I'll be able to look for information on the "discover" package
14:06<flypiper>lostsoul1234, thanks
14:06<lostsoul1234>thanks again
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14:07<SynrG>could be confusing some hardware while probing for it ... ?
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14:07*SynrG shrugs
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14:08<flypiper>SynrG, My money is on him being back wanting to know about the Discover package...
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14:30<RD>don;t think that could have gone any worse, i failed to remember my bios software, and array config was on array 0 before i formatted and installed.
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14:33<SynrG>count your fingers and toes. still got 'em all? it could've gone worse.
14:34*RD laughs
14:34<RD>so far, day is still early though
14:34<daemonkeeper>Oh, different time zone detected!
14:35<ompaul>RD: apt-get install jug of coffee
14:36<daemonkeeper>That's in emacs only.
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14:36<ompaul>daemonkeeper: do we trust em to open emacs?
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14:36<daemonkeeper>Of course not. The emacs operating system lacks a good text editor.
14:37<ompaul>apt-get install emacs23
14:37<RD>not sure the old compaq will work for me anyway, don;t think it will reboot istelf without human interence
14:38<ompaul>daemonkeeper: that seems to be worthy of QOTD
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14:39<ompaul>I installed in a channels topic on a different network - they can deal with things like that
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14:56<Eulenspiegel69>Hi, I am downloading updates (using aptitude) that are 500MB in size. Since the server is slow and it would take hours I would like to interrupt the process and edit servers in sources.list. I guess ^C is not the best idea, is it?
14:57<amphi>interrupting like that during download shouldn't cause any problem
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14:57<brlancer>it's just fetching packages - any completed ones won't be re-downloaded
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14:58<brlancer>when you re-start it, it should pick up on the new mirror where you left off
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14:58<Kiliman>Where can i go to get help installing debian on a cs407e diskstation from Synology?
14:59<Eulenspiegel69>amphi and brlancer: So interrupting with ^C is only bad when dpkg is installing?
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14:59<gfroxel>it can cause problems during install but if install hasnt started yet there arent any problems
15:00<brlancer>you are ok to interrupt the download
15:00<gfroxel>you can even clear the caches before starting over if you download from the wrong sources
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15:01<Eulenspiegel69>amphi, brlancer, gfroxel: thanks
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15:08<gfroxel>i have a strange problem with my wireless... when connecting to my university wireless network i have to bring the wireless interface up and down a few times before i can get an ip address. this only happens on my university network and only on my current laptop. no one else in my lab (all running debian) has that problem and my old laptop didnt have the problem either
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15:09<gfroxel>broadcom 4313 wireless controller
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15:23<gfroxel>nevermind, its a kernel issue
15:23<gfroxel>i found a patch
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15:23<cahoot>gfroxel: read logs/dmesg when it happens
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15:25<gfroxel>already did, its a known issue with the chip and got partially patched in 2.6.37 and fully patched in 2.6.38
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15:32<Eulenspiegel69>how can I find out to what binary a link (like "sauerbraten") points to?
15:32<seeS>ls -l blah
15:33<seeS>$ ls -l /usr/bin/vi
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15:33<seeS>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Nov 12 11:34 /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/vi
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15:33<seeS>so /usr/bin/vi points to /etc/alternatives/vi
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15:34<Eulenspiegel69>seeS: thanks
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15:36<Eulenspiegel69>if i would not know that "sauerbraten" points to "/usr/games/sauerbraten". How could I find out?
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15:39<seeS>you mean when you type it on the command line?
15:39<Eulenspiegel69>seeS: yes
15:39<seeS>which <filename>
15:39<Eulenspiegel69>seeS: thanks
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15:52<parker_chess_>I have a boot problem system boots to gok no keyboard or mouse recognized udevderror may be already running?
15:53<parker_chess_>I can not stop the boot process fast enough to read the actual error?
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15:55<parker_chess_>is there anyone who can help with a debian boot issue? Thank you in advance....
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16:00<dondelelcaro>parker_chess_: best to just ask your question
16:00<dondelelcaro>(ideally with as much detail as possible)
16:01<parker_chess_>Ok I think I asked before... Here it goes again... thank you....
16:01<parker_chess_>I have a boot problem system boots to gok no keyboard or mouse recognized udevderror may be already running?
16:01<parker_chess_>I can not stop the boot process fast enough to read the actual error?
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16:01<valdyn>parker_chess_: what is "gok" ?
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16:02<parker_chess_>It says somthing about udevderror and some process already running.
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16:02<parker_chess_>it is the on screen keyboard.
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16:02<parker_chess_>When I put the install disk back in my keyboard an mouse work.
16:03<parker_chess_>I know it is in the boot process somewhere.
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16:04<parker_chess_>I have attempted the rescue mode with no success.
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16:04<seeS>have you tried booting into single user mode
16:04<dondelelcaro>parker_chess_: hrm; what happens afterwards? does the machine finish booting?
16:05<dondelelcaro>and what kind of device is this?
16:05<parker_chess_>It will get to the sign in screen however I can not move my mouse arround to click on what I need to in gok gnome on screen keeyboard to log in?
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16:06<parker_chess_>Like I said when I attempted to fix it with the debian rescue in graphical mode both the keyboard and mouse were found and working.
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16:07<parker_chess_>I am the only user account, would single user mode make a difference.??
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16:08<parker_chess_>When I attempt to reinstall grub or rescue the boot process from the debain resuce nothing seems to help.
16:09<parker_chess_>I ment the debian rescue part of the cd installer.
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16:11<parker_chess_>It may also be something with hot plug events... Like I said the boot process goes so fast I can not see the error.
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16:11<parker_chess_>somthing about a process already running.
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16:13<parker_chess_>could it be that I have 2 conflicting events at start up?
16:13<kop>parker_chess_: You could try bootlogd.
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16:13<parker_chess_>Ok I will try bootlogd.... how do I do it?
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16:14<parker_chess_>I am typing from another computer next to the non-booting one.
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16:15<ompaul>you may be able to press scroll lock as the machine boots if it knows the keyboard is there it might pause (been years since I did that kind of thing)
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16:17<parker_chess_>Thank you ompaul scroll lock stoped the boot process so I can give you the error... let me write it down and I will be right back...
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16:21<scotd>I see that debian squeeze doesn't have CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE=y? Is this because it's trying to be suitable for both desktops and servers?
16:22<scotd>(Installing from CD #1)
16:23<parker_chess_>Ok so scroll lock stopped the boot process so I could write down the error exactly. It is long so I will type it one line at a time.
16:24<parker_chess_>udevd:bind failed Address already in use.
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16:24<ompaul>parker_chess_: type it in paste.debian.net
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16:25<parker_chess_>ok. one moment thank you.
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16:27<dondelelcaro>scotd: preempt voluntary is what is set, actually
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16:28<parker_chess_>Here is the boot error.
16:28<parker_chess_>udevd:bind failed Address already in use
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16:28<parker_chess_>udevd:error binding control socket seems udevd is already running cleaning ifupdown
16:28<parker_chess_>starting hotplug events dispatcher:udevd error binding control socket, seems udevd is already running.
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16:34<parker_chess_>sorry I just posted to the link sorry for pasting all 4 lines here.
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16:37<scotd>dondelelcaro: so the pre-emption only occurs if nothing else is being done? and therefore this is usually a non-issue for servers?
16:38<parker_chess_>ok I have posted the boot error under parker at http://paste.debian.net/109307/
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16:39<parker_chess_>I looks like the person helping me out may have gone...
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16:41<dondelelcaro>scotd: it shouldn't matter for servers; you can disable it at the boot command line if you want to find out, however.
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16:47<scotd>dondelelcaro: perfect! thanks for the pointer
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17:01<AnoNico>hi
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17:05<AnoNico>anyone there?
17:06<seeS>yes
17:06<seeS>lots of us are!
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17:09<AnoNico>:-)
17:10<AnoNico>I'm facing a pb with a web server
17:10<AnoNico>so I came here, hoping someone could help me
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17:10<jhutchins_lt>499 nicks, but a few of us are bots.
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17:11<AnoNico>hehe
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17:11<seeS>ok
17:11<AnoNico>maybe you're one
17:11<AnoNico>:p
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17:14<AnoNico>can I explain to you seeS my pb?
17:15<jhutchins_lt>AnoNico: Yes. Please include the release and architecture you're working on, what you expect to happen, and what happens instead.
17:15<jhutchins_lt>AnoNico: If it's more than a couple of lines, use a pastebin (see /topic).
17:15<AnoNico>yep ok, I'm preparing it
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17:17<AnoNico>I'm working on a dedicated box (Debian-50-lenny-64-LAMP 2.6.26-2-amd64), and we're using a webserver (lighttpd atm) for synchronising files between clients
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17:18<AnoNico>we're facing performance issues when more than 5 clients are synchronising. The download rate drops to 10 or 20 kB/s for some
17:19<AnoNico>(of course it's a 100 Mb line)
17:19<AnoNico>I cannot really point a bottleneck atm, maybe the hard drive, but not really sure
17:20<AnoNico>we've tried many tweaks on lighttpd, evgen switched to apache to see if it was software related, but nothing changed
17:20<jhutchins_lt>anoteng: I'm not sure how much load lighthttpd is optimized for, but you might need a real webserver.
17:20<jhutchins_lt>Er, AnoNico
17:20<AnoNico>yup that's why I tried apache
17:20<seeS>i was going to say the same thing
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17:21<jhutchins_lt>The iostats program can be useful to figure out where the bottleneck is.
17:21<AnoNico>but to be honest, I'm asking myself now if I should use some RAM caching
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17:21<seeS>debugging performance issues is hard
17:22<AnoNico>iostat : I'll use it on a loaded moment, to see if our HD is working too much (we have no RAID or SSD)
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17:22<AnoNico>you can see the data synchronised here : http://46.4.50.200/updater
17:23<AnoNico>there are a lot little files, some are heavy
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17:23<AnoNico>the data is a mod for a game based on a rolling release, so we're updateing the server once a week, and then clients update with a software that uses a hash table to determine what to download
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17:25<AnoNico>but I was asking myself : some hours after reboot, our RAM is entirely filled (8GB) by the system
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17:25<AnoNico>so there is some built-in caching in the kernel, right?
17:26<rpetre>AnoNico: the "buffers/cache" number is esentially free ram that's used for disk cache
17:26<rpetre>so ignore it
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17:27<AnoNico>if I understand well (I'm French sorry), the cache isn't used for caching frequently used files?
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17:28<rpetre>AnoNico: yes, just to make that idling ram do something
17:28<AnoNico>ok
17:29<rpetre>but it is available for application usage anytime
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17:29<AnoNico>hum so maybe I should use a pro active caching system?
17:29<AnoNico>because I suppose that my bottleneck is the HD
17:29<rpetre>if you can prefetch data, it always helps
17:30<AnoNico>bandwith is OK, config seems OK (no limit, some workers ready)
17:30<rpetre>it also helps if you have enough ram to fit the most used data in it (so the caches are primed all the time)
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17:30<AnoNico>so we if we're 10 updating, we should be filling the bandwith more than we are now
17:31<seeS>depends on the link
17:32<AnoNico>the link is OK, on a single file, single client, I fill my d/l capacity
17:32<AnoNico>but if we're 10, we're only using 10 or 15 Mbps for example
17:33<AnoNico>what do you recommand for caching most used files?
17:33<seeS>then it sounds like a server load issue
17:33<rpetre>AnoNico: are the most accessed files small enough to fit inside your ram? or can you add a bit more ram to make them fit?
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17:34<rpetre>in my experience, if you can fit your working data in ram, disk cache becomes your friend, not your enemy :)
17:34<AnoNico>hum well 10GB of data, 8GB of RAM
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17:34<Gurka>!6.0.1
17:34<dpkg>The first <point release> for Debian Squeeze (6.0.1) is scheduled for early March 2011. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/02/msg00003.html
17:34<Gurka>aha
17:34<rpetre>it might be worth adding another 4G of ram if possible
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17:35<AnoNico>hum won't be possible, the server is housed by a company
17:35<rpetre>oh
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17:35<AnoNico>and we've paid for the next 6 monthes
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17:36<rpetre>in that case, try to do some tricks like reading often the files you want to serve fast
17:36<AnoNico>is there an "automatic" caching possible? I mean, on 10GB, only 3 or 4 are regularly used
17:36<rpetre>so they are always in cache
17:37<AnoNico>how I should read these files? beacause when the webserver serves them, I suppose they are read, no?
17:37<rpetre>yeah, but if they're read often enough, they'll stay in disk cache always
17:38<rpetre>if it's simpler to add a ssd instead of ram, move those files on it, for shorter seek times
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17:39<AnoNico>ah ok that's the answer for : "if I understand well (I'm French sorry), the cache isn't used for caching frequently used files?" ----> Linux automatically fills RAM with frequently used files, so I should work better than it does now... Strange, because the server is not loaded
17:40<AnoNico>hardware change is not an option, sadly
17:41<rpetre>in top or vmstat, you usually see large values at %wa ?
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17:42<AnoNico>wa is 0 atm
17:42<lukasoft>Hello, I've recently updated to Squeeze and I have a few questions. I'll start with the easier one. Is apt-get autoremove always safe after an upgrade like this?
17:42<rpetre>then not i/o is your problem
17:42<AnoNico>yep it should
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17:43<AnoNico>autoremove only remove orphans packets
17:43<lukasoft>AnoNico: Thanks, That was the answer I was hoping for
17:43<devil>lukasoft: have a look if the output makes sense. i would not blindly hit 'yes'
17:43<AnoNico>lukasoft: no pb
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17:44<lukasoft>devil: it seems like its mostly libraries, I don't know anything about them, theres about 500mB after the upgrade
17:45<AnoNico>as devil said, take a look at it before hitting yes
17:45<rpetre>libraries should be fine, look for software you actively use
17:45<AnoNico>if you have a doubt, check the desc of the packet
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17:46<scotd>AnoNico: you can play with the swappiness setting, see http://lwn.net/Articles/83588/
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17:46<devil>lukasoft: i got burned firat time i used it long time ago, since then i warn people to at least look at the list to grasp stuff they know they want to keep.
17:47<lukasoft>Ok, thanks. Its all libraries and stuff it seems I don't need, I'll give it a try, and if Debian dies, oh well, fresh install it is haha
17:47<AnoNico>thanks scotd I'm reading it
17:47<parker_chess_>I have a problem with boot up on squeeze. I get an error involving udevd. I have posted the output of the boot up here. http://paste.debian.net/109307/
17:47<AnoNico>lukasoft: it won't die
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17:47<parker_chess_>Thank you for anyone that can help....
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17:47<AnoNico>just keep eth0 up, a console, that should respawn any zombie :p
17:48<lukasoft>AnoNico: I didn't think it would.
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17:48<AnoNico>is it a server or a desktop?
17:48<AnoNico>anyway, you should backup /home/
17:49<parker_chess_>AnoNico are you asking me?
17:49<AnoNico>no no answering lukasoft :)
17:49<lukasoft>Ok, my second question has to deal with sudo dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc. I was told during the install to run this, and because I made my own start up scripts this won't properly work. What do I need to add to my startup scripts for this to work?
17:49<parker_chess_>ok.
17:50<lukasoft>AnoNico: sorry i didn't know you were talking to me, yes its a server/desktop and everything was backed up before the start of the upgrade
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17:50<Gh057x>yo yo
17:50<lukasoft>AnoNico: thanks for the tip tho
17:51<AnoNico>parker_chess_: is your problem network related?
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17:51<parker_chess_>no
17:51<parker_chess_>It does not occur when using the debain rescue cd... it only occurs when I boot directly to the OS>
17:51<AnoNico>lukasoft: so you're fine :-) backup /etc/ too, and run!
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17:52<AnoNico>Udev : it handles the /dev directory and all user space actions when adding/removing devices, including firmware load
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17:53<AnoNico>parker_chess_: "udevd is already running cleaning ifupdown" ---> is it launched twice?
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17:54<parker_chess_>yes the keyboard does not work with hard drive boot. The mouse does not work with hd boot. Yes it is running 2x. I have posted the output at boot http://paste.debian.net/109307/
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17:54<AnoNico>I was citing your output :p
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17:54<parker_chess_>sorry.
17:54<AnoNico>have you checked startup scripts?
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17:55<parker_chess_>how would I do that from the command line? rescue part of the install cd?
17:55<AnoNico>rpetre: %wa means waiting for IO, so I should check this when on load
17:56<AnoNico>cd / ls / vi etc...
17:57<rpetre>AnoNico: yes, but it could mean network too. look at iostat as well if it's high
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17:57<AnoNico>yep iostat / vmstat -----> I'll do this, so I'll know of there's an IO pb
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17:58<AnoNico>I'm using htop / monitorix to check CPU, RAM, network load too
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18:00<rpetre>AnoNico: debugging performance bottlenecks is always a bit of a guesswork, try to understand a bit the internals of the OS to pinpoint better the hot spot
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18:01<AnoNico>IOSTAT : sda 10.23 677.62 1931.42 21437965 61105068
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18:02<AnoNico>rpetre: that's why I was asking about caching, I don't really know how it works
18:02<rpetre>AnoNico: iostat is supposed to run continuously, like iostat 1 , for a report every second
18:02<rpetre>the first report is not relevant, it's aggregated data
18:03<AnoNico>i suppose iowait is the one to monitor
18:03<rpetre>that's the %wa number
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18:03<AnoNico>yep ok
18:03<rpetre>i usually do iostat -x 1 and look at await and %util
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18:04<AnoNico>supposing that network is not the bottleneck, if I get wa ----> HD
18:04<rpetre>but try and find some material explaining linux i/o a bit better than i could, i'm no kernel expert :(
18:05<AnoNico>interesting. That will help me a lot
18:05<AnoNico>your knowledge is valuable
18:06<AnoNico>I'll try to seek for a way to push some data definitively in RAM
18:06<AnoNico>I mean, I can spend 4 GB of RAM for that
18:06<mobildorn>Have you tried tmpfs?
18:06<AnoNico>that's a good idea
18:06<AnoNico>with a symlink on the webserver, and voila!!!
18:06<AnoNico>always cached
18:07<rpetre>yup, just make sure that writes are made on real disk as well :)
18:08<AnoNico>hehehe
18:08<AnoNico>that's sort of read only data
18:08<mobildorn>May be possible in combination with eufs. Get reads from ram disk first and write to hard disk.
18:09<mobildorn>Haven't used it for a while, but it had some interesting aspects.
18:09<rpetre>mobildorn: whoa, i've been looking for something like this for years!
18:09<AnoNico>only written once a week. I'll just have to make sure that I write on HD, then flush tmpfs, refill tmpfs
18:09*rpetre goes to google
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18:10<mobildorn>There was some eufs-modules package. Let me see ...
18:10<mobildorn>Ah, sorry. It's name aufs.
18:11<AnoNico>loooooool
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18:11<AnoNico>I was looking for eufs ---> means eggs in french
18:11<AnoNico>I was telling myself : many noise on this query "eufs linux"
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18:12<mobildorn>Hm, I forgot to buy some today.
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18:12<mobildorn>Ah, aufs-tools, aufs-modules-<kernel version> etc.
18:13<jrabbit>IS there a way to check inf a machine has a graphics card?
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18:13<mobildorn>"funionfs" may be worth a look, too
18:13<jrabbit>I'm on a friends debian shell and cant recall
18:13<petemc_>lspci
18:13<mobildorn>jrabbit: If the system is a new one, lspci or lshw may help
18:13<jrabbit>petemc_: hmmm requires root maybe I should ask him :P
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18:13<mobildorn>But ISA cars won't show up this way
18:14<jrabbit>mobildorn: it ought ot be fairly new
18:14<AnoNico>"unite several directories into a single virtual filesystem. The member directory is called as a branch." ---> that sounds intersting to me
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18:14<mobildorn>lspci should be usable as user
18:14<jrabbit>lspci: Cannot find any working access method.
18:14<petemc_>mobildorn: how many isa graphics cards do you know of?
18:14<jrabbit>is what I get
18:14<jrabbit>also pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci
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18:15<AnoNico>RIP eggs : aufs is an alternative version of unionfs for Linux that is no longer maintained.
18:15<mobildorn>I have a large cardboard box full of ISA cards. Rough guess: 50% network, 30% graphics adapter
18:15<jrabbit>Oh well
18:15<mobildorn>AnoNico: Maybe I should upgrade to Squeeze ...
18:15<AnoNico>hehehehe
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18:16<AnoNico>well dudes, with swapiness, filesystems, and more diagnostic tool I'll make a step forward for sure. Got to go, it's late here
18:16<rpetre>mobildorn: watch for hidden token ring cards :)
18:17<AnoNico>I'll try to get back as soon as I have sth new
18:17<mobildorn>Maybe you should have a look on the different i/o scheduler in the kernel.
18:17<mobildorn>deadline, noop and cfq were the names
18:17<mobildorn>Can be changed on the fly somewhere in /sys/block
18:18<AnoNico>Oh well you know I'm not Facebook :p I'm only thinking that I can boost a little our server
18:18<AnoNico>but I take a note with that too
18:18<rpetre>AnoNico: deleting unneeded data is also a interesting solution ;)
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18:18<mobildorn>"deadline" works best for me on most of my systems.
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18:19<AnoNico>thanks mobildorn I'll try that. Just a write in /sys/ is esay
18:19<jrabbit>one last question is there a way to measure gpu load?
18:19<AnoNico>rpetre: there is nothinh unuseful here :p
18:19<jrabbit>On my local machine I'm curious if BOINC is actually using my gpu
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18:20<mobildorn>I have a hard disk which recently stopped delivering data. Another fine solution.
18:21<AnoNico>no more data, no more perf issue
18:21<AnoNico>that's a way to do it
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18:22<mobildorn>Look for something like /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler
18:23<AnoNico>noop anticipatory deadline [cfq] ----> so I should try deadline ?
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18:25<AnoNico>I really got to go, but anyway many thanks for your help
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18:25<AnoNico>"I'll be back" :p
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18:27<Eulenspiegel69>how do I make ls print the fully qualified path instead of the relative one?
18:28<AnoNico>good night / morning / after noon everyone ! ciao
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18:29<mobildorn>Eulenspiegel69: Why not use find?
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18:29<Eulenspiegel69>did not think of that option :) thanks
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18:36<sret>hi i just lost internet connection to my debian machine, any ideas? dhclient -r ; dhclient doesnt seem to work
18:36<Eulenspiegel69>how do I make find print the fully qualified path (when not searching on /)?
18:36<sret>ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 doesnt work eiither, /etc/init.td/networking restart doesnt do anything either
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18:39<sret>if i do a ifdown eth0, it sas interface eth0 not configured..
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18:39<rpetre>sret: any errors on ifup eth0?
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18:40<mobildorn>You could use ifconfig without parameters to see which interfaces are up
18:40<sret>no errors, just says ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
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18:40<sret>eth0 and lo
18:40<rpetre>your declaration if eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces is invalid
18:41<sret>why would it be all of a sudden invalid when the connection was working about an hr ago?
18:41<rpetre>sret: i don't know, what did you do? :)
18:41<sret>nothing, this is the second time its happened like this
18:41<mobildorn>Is there a config entry in /etc/network/interfaces? Was is brought up via ifup?
18:41<sret>last time i restarted, this time i wanted to figure out why befor ei restarted
18:42<sret>yes there is a config entry for /etc/network/interfaces
18:43<sret># the loopback network interface
18:43<sret>auto lo
18:43<sret>iface lo inet loopack
18:43<rpetre>hm, i've seen a while ago a similar case, it turned out that /etc/network/run/ifstate was bad
18:43<sret>my /ifstate just has lo=lo
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18:44<sret>i know it'll work if i restart
18:44<sret>and i suspect this has to do with dhcp lease
18:44<rpetre>eth0 is dhcp or static?
18:44<sret>static
18:44<sret>sorry dhcp
18:44<rpetre>any dhclient running?
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18:45<sret>erm like?
18:45<rpetre>"pidof dclient" says anything?
18:45<rpetre>dhclient, sorry
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18:45<sret>returns nothing
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18:46<steal>Hi all
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18:47<steal>can I install new debian with bsd kernel on an old pentium2?
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18:48<esdras>ola, aqui tem alguem que fala portugues do brasil?
18:48<sret>any ideas
18:48<rpetre>sret: if you run "dhclient -d eth0", does it get a lease?
18:48<rpetre>!br
18:48<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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18:49<sret>rpetre: yeah it says listening on LPF/eth0/ etc etc
18:49<rpetre>and? no lease?
18:49<sret>DHCPOFFER freom 192.168.0.1
18:50<sret>DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.* port 67
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18:50<sret>DHCPACK from 192.168.0.1
18:50<sret>bound to 192.168.0.8 -- renewal in 101506 seconds
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18:50<rpetre>aha, looks ok
18:51<rpetre>ctrl-c to kill dhclient and try to ifup eth0 again
18:51<esdras>dpkg entao me ajude la, por favor
18:51<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, esdras
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18:51<rpetre>esdras: go to #debian-br for portugues, dpkg is a program, not a person
18:52<sret>rpetre: ok
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18:52<Eulenspiegel69>how do I copy all files in a directory and all its subdirectories matching a pattern?
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18:52<esdras>ok, rpetre, tks
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18:52<sret>rpetre: i still get a ifdown: interface eth0 not configured
18:53<sret>and ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
18:53<rpetre>sret: do just ifup
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18:54<mobildorn>find $dir -name '*pat*tern*' -type f | xargs -0 cp --target-diretory=$foo could work
18:54<sret>rpetre: ignoring uknown interface eth0=eth0
18:54<rpetre>sret: ifconfig eth0 sees your interface?
18:55<sret>rpetre: yes i see my inet addrr: 192.168.0.8 now
18:55<rpetre>maybe it got renamed or someting
18:55<rpetre>oh
18:55<rpetre>there's still a dhclient running. kill it. ifconfig eth0 down, ifup eth0
18:56<rpetre>(i hope you're doing this on it's console, not through the network :) )
18:56<esdras>how to set keyboard for us_acentos in /etc/defalts/keyboard in line "XKBVARIANT=
18:56<esdras>?
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18:57<sret>yeah through console
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18:57<sret>if i do a ps aux |grep dhclient all i see is " root 1900 0.0 0.0 3300 740 pts/0 S+ 18:52 0:00 grep dhclient
18:58<sret>which means its not running is it
18:58<sret>pidof dhclient doesnt return anything either
18:58<jhutchins_lt>rpetre: Not good to mix ifconfig and ifup/ifdown
18:59<rpetre>jhutchins_lt: i'm trying to help him to unmix them :)
18:59<esdras>please help-me
18:59<sret>dhclient isnt runing from the looks of it
19:00<Eulenspiegel69>mobildorn: thanks a bunch. Solution was similar to yours: find $dir -name '*pat*tern*' -type f | xargs -d \\n cp --target-diretory=$foo
19:00<lukasoft>Hello, I was wondering if someone could help me. I can't seem to find out how to install drivers for the radeon x1300 in squeeze (I just updated)
19:00<themill>Eulenspiegel69: make sure you don't have spaces in your filenames with that. Or \n, for that matter.
19:00<sret>still keep getting those unknown interface if i do a "ifup eth0"
19:00<themill>dpkg: tell Eulenspiegel69 about using find
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19:01<Eulenspiegel69>themill: I hate spaces in filenames and don't have any
19:02<seeS>lukasoft: you could ask dpk about radeon
19:02<themill>Eulenspiegel69: you say that now... just wait until that bites you in the arse one day.
19:02<themill>(actually, if you're going to use the GNU --target-directory extension to cp, why not use the GNU extension to find of -exec {} +)
19:03<sret>rpetre: any ideas
19:03<rpetre>sret: ifconfig eth0 says it has an ip, but it's down?
19:04<sret>yeah i see an inet addrr: 192.168.0.8 for ifconfig eth0
19:04<sret>rpetre: wow weird
19:04<sret>there's connection
19:04<sret>but the icon shows as no connection
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19:05<sret>sweet it worked, thanks rpetre
19:05<sret>:D
19:05<sret>its that old gnome network manager icon
19:05<sret>i remember this issue the first time i installed squeeze
19:06<sret>ok so to renew dhcp dhclient -d eth0 and that should do it?
19:06<rpetre>sret: -d makes it stay in the foreground
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19:06<sret>rpetre: gotcha
19:06<rpetre>if you use nm, just restart it
19:07<rpetre>it must run it's own dhclient
19:07<sret>no im using the other one now
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19:07<lukasoft>seeS: I already have those packages installed (the ones dpkg recommends) but how do I check if they're being used
19:07<sret>babilen told me when i installed squeeze to ignore gnome's network manager as it had some kinda bug then
19:07<sret>i have the lil wired cable icon now
19:08<seeS>luka: glxinfo will tell you
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19:08<sret>the icon is gone though, i hit aactiveate auto eth0 and i got the regular wire cable icon
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19:08<sret>thanks rpetre :D
19:09<rpetre>sret: the icon can be restarted running the nm-applet
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19:09<lukasoft>seeS: this is the output http://pastebin.com/DYRCUCGw I don't know what it means?
19:09<seeS>lukasoft: also /var/log/Xorg.0.klog
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19:10<seeS>lukasoft: looks like no acceleration
19:12<lukasoft>/var/log/Xorg.0.klog says command not found. Could you possibly advise on what to do?
19:12<seeS>err .log not .klog
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19:15<lukasoft>seeS: It is very large, http://pastebin.com/GQK8Uh9d
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19:16<seeS>i can see the problem on line 400 but not sure why
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19:20<seeS>it seems your kernel is not the right version
19:20<Eulenspiegel69>find behaves very strange. It seems not to operate recursively on my machine: http://www.rifers.org/paste/show/1240
19:21<jhutchins_lt>lukasoft: Looks like you need a newer driver from nvidia.
19:21<seeS>lukasoft: also line 1047 shows glx not working
19:21<jhutchins_lt>Kernel version is NEWER than the xorg module, you need a different module, not kernel.
19:21<seeS>thats what the numbers implied, but the error message seem to be saying the other way around
19:21<mobildorn>Eulenspiegel69: I think find does not follows symlinks by default. Maybe aard is a symlink to some other place
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19:23<lukasoft>jhutchins_lt: but my card is ati? Is that ok?
19:23<jhutchins_lt>Um...
19:23<Eulenspiegel69>mobildorn: drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4.0K Mar 1 21:24 /usr/lib/games/sauerbraten/packages/aard/
19:24<jhutchins_lt>lukasoft: ati = radeon. Did I say nvidia? Sorry, newer xorg module from ATI.
19:24<jhutchins_lt>lukasoft: Or the free one.
19:24<jhutchins_lt>!radeon
19:24<dpkg>Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. See also <radeonhd>, <fglrx>.
19:24<mobildorn>Strange. But I had some recursion problems on an embedded device lately. It was some busybox find which had similar problems.
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19:25<jhutchins_lt>The error message suggests you are NOT using the debian module, if you are you need to update your system,
19:25<lukasoft>jhutchins_lt: how do I go about doing this? reinstall packages in package manager?
19:25<jhutchins_lt>lukasoft: Did you install a driver from ATI?
19:26<lukasoft>I believe I may have at one point in time, but I thought I deleted it
19:26<jhutchins_lt>lukasoft: Check the steps in the debian wiki above.
19:27<seeS>yeah, isnt the glx module wrong?
19:27<jhutchins_lt>lukasoft: I don't know the current state of your system, but generally aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade.
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19:27<seeS>(II) Module glx: vendor="FireGL - ATI Technologies Inc."
19:27<seeS>mine is (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
19:27<Habstinat>So it seems Debian isn't automatically mounting any of my devices
19:28<seeS>so it looks like xorg/radeon drivers with fglrx glx
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19:31<Habstinat>I don't know much about mounting from the terminal, but I tried "mount /dev/sdb" and a few other devices and it couldn't find any of them.
19:31<Habstinat>I went over dmesg and my computer is definitely recognizing it.
19:32<mobildorn>Habstinat: Try "fdisk -l" to see available partitions
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19:33<lukasoft>jhutchins_lt: I have done everything on the wiki page, is there a way to reset xorg?
19:34<seeS>lukasoft: you've got the wrong packages installed
19:35<lukasoft>seeS: how do I know what needs uninstalled?
19:36<seeS>look for packages with fglrx in the name
19:36<seeS>thats the non-free driver
19:36<Habstinat>mobildorn: I think it must be /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb1. I'll try running those (You don't need to run mount as root, right?)
19:36<lukasoft>seeS: Those have been uninstalled. At least it says so in synaptic package manager
19:37<Habstinat>mobildorn: Couldn't find any of those.
19:37<mobildorn>Habstinat: You'll have to mount as root unless there is an fstab entry with a user or users option for that device.
19:38<seeS>lukasoft: what does "dpkg -S /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so" say
19:39<mobildorn>Habstinat: Sounds somewhat like a fucked up udev.
19:39<Habstinat>mobildorn: Got the same error when mounting those two devices as root. Why wouldn't it be auto mounting anyways?
19:39<lukasoft>xserver-xorg-core: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
19:39<lukasoft>that doesn't look right...
19:40<mobildorn>You'd have to configure an automounter first to do any automounting. But I have no experience in this field
19:40<seeS>lukasoft: it is ok
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19:41<fantis>Hey
19:41<fantis>will shred delete things
19:41<fantis>good
19:41<fantis>the police are coming over
19:42<fantis>i am being prosecuted
19:42<mobildorn>fantis: You'll have to use "-u" to unlink the files after shredding.
19:42<fantis>or dban the disk
19:42<fantis>which is safer?
19:42<fantis>i use linux virtual disk encryption
19:42<mobildorn>Dunno
19:42<fantis>but i neve put up a truecrpy
19:42<fantis>well these are cops
19:43<fantis>alsop where does chromium and iceweasel put the history?
19:43<mobildorn>Should be in your home directory
19:43<fantis>shred -u -z -n 26
19:43<fantis>yeah
19:43<fantis>can i shred partitions
19:43<fantis>like /home
19:43<fantis>thats where it all is right?
19:43<fantis>shred -u -z -n 26 ~/*
19:43<mobildorn>You could overwrite them with /dev/(u)random
19:44<fantis>?
19:44<mobildorn>Try "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda bs=10M"
19:44<fantis>example?
19:44<fantis>is it effective
19:44<seeS>shred takes a while
19:44<mobildorn>Or maybe sda instead of hda, depending on your driver.
19:45<fantis>how many passes?
19:45<fantis>is 1 sufficient
19:45<seeS>depends how good they are
19:45<fantis>shred?
19:45<fantis>shred -u -z -n e
19:45<fantis>seriously
19:46<seeS>yeah shred will do it
19:46<seeS>its good enouigh for the government stuff
19:46<fantis>shred -u -z -n E
19:46<seeS>well, some of it :)
19:46<fantis>E
19:46<fantis>how many passes
19:46<seeS>doesnt -n tell you hjow many passes
19:46<fantis>how many should i have
19:47<seeS>defsult is 3
19:47<lukasoft>seeS: If it seems like i have the right packages, do I need to change settings in xorg?
19:47<fantis>lol
19:47<seeS>i have no settings in mine luka, so yes you need to make sure they are ok
19:48<fantis>ok
19:48<fantis>i need to get rid if /home part
19:48<mobildorn>lukasoft: You may have some old unpackaged stuff lying around. "cruft" may help you to find it out
19:49<rpetre>fantis: unless someone played you a bad joke and you really are in trouble with the police, you'll find they know how to obtain evidence from other places tan your hard disk, so you'd better make sure that's the only thing (and have a good lawyer)
19:49<fantis>no
19:49<fantis>i am
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19:49<fantis>from where?
19:49<fantis>my psu?
19:49<rpetre>also, what did you do? people are not really comfortable in helping a potential criminal
19:49<fantis>well, i am scared
19:50<fantis>i goto a forum that discusses certain things
19:50<fantis>and half of the content is pedophiles
19:50<fantis>all is legal in usa
19:50<fantis>however i am being charged with molestation
19:50<fantis>for whatever reason
19:50<fantis>which i am hsappily defending
19:50<fantis>i think they just want money
19:50<seeS>why not just google "shred disk"
19:50<rpetre>oh
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19:51<fantis>dban
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19:51<rpetre>in that case, i'd think you need a lawyer advice before looking guilty for destroying evidence
19:51<fantis>lol
19:51<fantis>looking guily
19:52<fantis>half of my computers sitting here have no hardrives
19:52<fantis>and there are dozens of hd's around
19:52<fantis>unless one of my clients with a corupt hd watched porn
19:52<fantis>or killed people
19:52<fantis>i am fine
19:52<rpetre>then just format the drive and swap it with another one
19:53<fantis>my sisters
19:53<fantis>i just got hers tonight ;p
19:53<rpetre>the one filled with random bits would look suspicious :)
19:54<rpetre>but really, seek legal counsel, we're not qualified to suggest secure destroying of data
19:54<fantis>dban
19:54<fantis>and a lake
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19:54<mobildorn>What about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite
19:54<mobildorn>Too late ...
19:55<rpetre>:)
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20:07<lukasoft>mobildorn: I do not know how to manage the output list of that command. It is very large
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20:09<mobildorn>I usually redirect it to a log file and pick out certain files that look suspicious.
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20:09<mobildorn>It's helping if you have some experience with the Debian package management and the FHS.
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20:43<hi0qw>havin' some problems installing truecrypt, thinks i need "FUSE library and tools" and "device mapper tools"... this doesn't seem to be the most clear description, any suggestions?
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20:46<mobildorn>I'd try the packages fuse-utils and dmsetup
20:47<hi0qw>already have both installed
20:47<mobildorn>But it's just a guess on the output of "apt-cache --names-only search fuse" and "apt-cache search mapper"
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20:47<mobildorn>They should pull in (or at least suggest) the necessary libs
20:49<mobildorn>So where's the problem? Any error messages?
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20:51<hi0qw>the first message that *seems* to indicate a problem is the two messages in quotes above inside a box that says "requirements for running truecrypt" then if you OK that box a new box appears that talks about uninstalling truecrypt
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20:52<mobildorn>Are you pulling it in via Debian(-ized) packages or some other type of installer?
20:52<hi0qw>OK to that box brings up an installation window that says "installing package... (gksudo:7108): Glib-CRITICAL **: g_str_has_prefix: assertion 'str != NULL' failed Press Enter to exit..."
20:52<mobildorn>Uh-oh.
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20:53<hi0qw>the installer off their website... it's the same one i used in lenny (installing in squeeze)
20:53<mobildorn>Looks like some version mismatch
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20:53<hi0qw>shucks
20:54<mobildorn>Maybe they haven't updated their stuff to match the latest Debian release yet
20:54<rpetre>hi0qw: i use the standalone version
20:55<mobildorn>As in "statically linked"? Worth a try if it is.
20:55<amphi>hi0qw: the assertion failure appears to be in gksudo - why not so the install as root?
20:55<amphi>s/so/do
20:55<amphi>or do it in some other way that obviates gtksudo
20:56<hi0qw>... static compile sound good to you?
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20:58<dondelelcaro>magyar: you mean what is run in which runlevel? or what?
20:58<mobildorn>It's bigger, but you won't have to worry about library dependencies.
20:58<dondelelcaro>ECHAN
20:58<mobildorn>But amphi should be right while I am drunk.
20:59<hi0qw>amphi: what do you mean by "s/so/do"?
20:59<mobildorn>And, furthermore, I have basically no experience with Gnome
21:00<amphi>that 'so' was a typo and should be [mentally] replaced with 'do'
21:00<mobildorn>Ever heard of "search and replace" or regex(7)
21:00<amphi>it would seem not
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21:01<mobildorn>It's a common syntax for search and replace: vi, sed, perl, ... do it this way
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21:02<mobildorn>In (g/m)awk it's gsub, but the parameters are the same
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21:02<hi0qw>ok, good to know
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21:05<mobildorn>But it's an easy case. In reality, you'll have to deal with some differences.
21:05<mobildorn>There are basic regexes, extended regexes, the perl regexes and perl compatible regexes (which differ in some points from perl regexes). Quite funny stuff.
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21:06<rpetre>.. but he actually meant "i meand do instead of so"
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21:06<rpetre>mobildorn: you're scaring the guy :)
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21:06<hi0qw>no, just confusing
21:07<hi0qw>ok, what's the command for building from source? i thought it was make... only built stuff in BSD before :-)
21:08<retrospectacus>it's confusing because he missed the trailing /
21:08<mobildorn>In some languages it's optional as long as you don't want to use flags. *g*
21:08<mobildorn>What do you want do build from source?
21:08<amphi>retrospectacus: ;)
21:08<retrospectacus>=P
21:09<hi0qw>truecrypt
21:09<mobildorn>If it's an Debian package, in most cases "apt-get source $foo; apt-get build-dep $foo" should do the preparation for you.
21:09<DrSampler>not always
21:10<mobildorn>Then, you could use "dpkg-buildpackage", "debuild" or "pdebuild" to build a Debian package.
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21:13<mobildorn>dpkg-buildpackage seems to be a good thing for beginners, because it's less strict and you'll get some easy results.
21:13<mobildorn>The other two are more strict and will help you to follow the Debian guidelines for packaging *g*
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21:14<hi0qw>dpkg-buildpackage doesn't appear in the standard repos
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21:14<DrSampler>if source include cmakelist file, it is usually build with cmake, then make
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21:15<mobildorn>It's not a package name.
21:15<hi0qw>that makes sense!
21:15<mobildorn>It's included in dpkg-dev.
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21:16<mobildorn>You shall need dpkg-dev, build-essential, a bunch of -dev libs ...
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21:17<mobildorn>At least if you want do build Debian packages.
21:17<mobildorn>On the other hand, you could do what DrSampler suggests and install to /usr/local.
21:17<mobildorn>If it's not cmake, it's usually ./configure; make; make install
21:18<DrSampler>if no cmakelist file inside unpacked *.tar, then it is done via
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21:18<hi0qw>i like the idea of making a package so in case it goes crazy i can kill the whole installation
21:18<DrSampler>autoreconf --install --force
21:18<DrSampler>then configure
21:18<DrSampler>then make
21:19<mobildorn>I'm not yet sure if cmake is my friend or foe
21:20<DrSampler>the project we working at switched to cmake install system recently
21:20<DrSampler>it is better
21:20<DrSampler>really better
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21:20<mobildorn>I'm trying to cross compile some stuff for a Blackfin processor at work and cmake seems to ignore the include path I configured via cmake -i.
21:21<hi0qw>dpkg-buildpackage failed "error: tail of debian/changelog gave error exit status 1"
21:21<mobildorn>It's about agx-extra-addons, some stuff for asterisk PBX.
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21:22<hi0qw>"tail: cannot open 'debian/changelog' for reading: No such file or directory"
21:22<mobildorn>Is there a file named changelo ... ok, sounds like the changelog is missing.
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21:22<dondelelcaro>if this is a Debian package, it has to have a debian/changelog
21:23<mobildorn>Maybe you're in the wrong directory.
21:23<mobildorn>Or it's seriously broken.
21:23<hi0qw>i'm in the source directory
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21:23<mobildorn>Or you're trying to compile from a pristine source which is not yet debianized.
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21:23<mobildorn>In the last case, "dh_make" could help you to create some templates.
21:24<hi0qw>this is generic source, supposed to work for macs as well an "linux"... guess it's not ready for debian? haven't had this trouble in the past :-(
21:24<mobildorn>Tough stuff, see the "new maintainers' guide"
21:25<mobildorn>The URL is http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
21:25<mobildorn>But you can get it as a package and browse it locally if you want
21:26<mobildorn>The first packages you build will be the hardest.
21:27<mobildorn>I began to create some at work a half year ago.
21:27<DrSampler>true
21:27<mobildorn>Yesterday, I looked at one. 'orrible.
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21:28<mobildorn>Re-build it. Used lintian. Have read the policy guide since. Now it's much better.
21:28<mobildorn>And I had to patch some bugs in the source to make it really nice.
21:30<DrSampler>i avoid recompiling. big project, it tooks about 4-5 hours on quad core xeon with a 8gig of ram
21:30<mobildorn>Especially because "make clean" didn't clean it. Left a lot of stuff which broke the next build with my favourite error message: "unrepresentable changes in source" or something like that.
21:31<mobildorn>Time it not that matter here. Most things get finished in less than one hour. And we have a build server which runs 24/7. Start it in a screen, go home, check the stuff next day.
21:32<DrSampler>sounds good
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21:32<mobildorn>But it get's quite late here. Or should I say "early"?
21:33<DrSampler>05:32 early morning here at moscow
21:33<DrSampler>i just woke up
21:33<mobildorn>Half past three here. I think I'll retire.
21:33<mobildorn>Germany, Ilmenau.
21:34<mobildorn>I believe you never heard of that town.
21:34<DrSampler>hmm
21:34<DrSampler>yeah)
21:34<DrSampler>i know frankfurt, berlin..
21:34<DrSampler>well
21:34<mobildorn>Not very big. About 25,000 to 30,000 inhabitants.
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21:35<mobildorn>I've been in Berlin last year. Attended the 27C3.
21:35<Nic>hello all, I am trying to install debian and get an error when i click "install the base system", can anyone help me with it?
21:35<DrSampler>my friends live at germany
21:36<mobildorn>There's an installer that allows you to click? Wow, I'm to much into debootstrap lately.
21:36<Nic>well select
21:37<Nic>using keyboard
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21:37<mobildorn>What's the error message?
21:38<Nic>it immediatly says "debootstrap error" "invalid release file: no entry for main/binary-i386/Packages, i hit continue and it says 'failed to install the base system' 'installation into /target/ failed
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21:40<hi0qw>did you verify that the disk contents are good?
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21:40<mobildorn>Is it an older installation disk? There was a new release last month.
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21:41<mobildorn>If it's older, some URLs etc. may have changed and cause some trouble
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21:41<Nic>i have downloded it twice, and burnt it twice, also i downloaded them both today
21:41<Nic>from here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/
21:42<hi0qw>what does the installer say about the disk contents? is it good or not?
21:42<mobildorn>daily? Sounds like unstable.
21:42<DrSampler>it is wheezy
21:42<DrSampler>try stable (squeeze) install
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21:42<Nic>it doesnt say anything about contents of cd
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21:43<Nic>ill try that.. also i just realized im not sure if this older pc is a p4... or amd something, what would it say if it were amd?
21:43<Nic>i dont know where i could check
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21:44<Nic>ouch nm, it says intel celeron on case
21:44<mobildorn>I've not yet upgraded to p4 likes.
21:44<DrSampler>most newever cpus from intel can also run amd64 debian
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21:44<DrSampler>so, no real point to use 32bit release
21:44<amphi>mobildorn: not another member of the deschutes mafia? ;)
21:44<amphi>DrSampler: he speaks of celery
21:45<hi0qw>got the dreaded "error: unrepresentable changes to source" myself
21:45<mobildorn>nm (1)? Are you trying to confuse me?
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21:45<Nic>which link should i download from http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable
21:46<amphi>mobildorn: there was a sinister group of diehard pentium ii users a while back, that were known as that
21:46<Nic>i was hoping to do the netinstall, to get just the basic system
21:46<mobildorn>In most cases it helps to "rm" the reported files in the "clean:" target of debian/rules (or better the Makefile, but via patch) and do "debuild clean" or "debian/rules clean" or something like that.
21:46<Nic>but when i look at the cd download, it says there are 42 cd's?
21:46<DrSampler>you only need 1st CD, nic
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21:46<Nic>why so many ><
21:46<mobildorn>My current machine at home is some Pentium III stuff.
21:46<Nic>but ok
21:47<DrSampler>then, if you have working internet connection, installation is a snap
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21:47<DrSampler>just download and burn 1st CD
21:47<mobildorn>But currently I'm here via some Pentium notebook.
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21:47<Nic>kk
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21:47<Nic>thank you, ill be back if things go awry ;p
21:48<DrSampler>pentium III
21:48<DrSampler>WoW)
21:48<amphi>Nic: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso (the link is the front page) looks good
21:48<mobildorn>For minimal setups if prefer something like: debootstrap --variant=minbase lenny (or squeeze) /mnt/target
21:48<mobildorn>Where "/mnt/target" is an already prepared disk with a mounted filesystem.
21:49<Nic>ill try that amphi
21:49<mobildorn>But my notebook is still running Lenny. Haven't the nerves yet to upgrade.
21:50<th>are there any differences installing debian via debootstrap or debian-installer?
21:50<mobildorn>Especially the locales package. It takes our to finish my few locales with 100MHz.
21:50<DrSampler>i am on stable and not planning change it
21:50<DrSampler>server is working, everything is fine, so no real point
21:50<mobildorn>th: A lot. debootstrap does no preparations and won't give you a kernel or boot loader by default.
21:51<mobildorn>If you want disk partitioning with debootstrap, you'll have to do it by hand before you run it.
21:51<mobildorn>If you want disk encryption, you'll have to do it by hand.
21:52<mobildorn>If you are not into "I just need a chroot to test something", you'll have to install a boot loader and a kernel to get the stuff running.
21:52<mobildorn>On the other hand, the "--variant=minbase" gives you a really small system to start with.
21:53<mobildorn>It won't have "less" until you install it -- to give you a picture.
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21:53<mobildorn>Contains just "essential" and "important" packages as far as I remember.
21:54<mobildorn>But, as I said before: I think I'll retire.
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21:54<th>i see. but suppose i install squeeze via debootstrap, installing the kernel and the bootloader, i'll get the same result as using d-i right?
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21:55<ganeshp>hello everyone, I need some help in improving the font rendering on my debian squeeze amd64 desktop. The current setup glares eyes and texts are very narrow and strains eyes.
21:55<mobildorn>And, BTW, have enough problems to type without a too high error rate.
21:55<mobildorn>th: Depends on the "--variant". But without the switch it's likely the same.
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21:55<mobildorn>But you'll still have to prepare the disk manually.
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21:56<mobildorn>The installer will guide you through those fdisk and encrytion stuff.
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21:57<th>thanks for the info, mobildorn. i have a very old laptop with broken cd-rom, no usb booting, basically i think the only way to go is by taking out the harddisk and use debootstrap to put debian inside the harddisk.
21:57<hi0qw>apparently i need the 'fuse' package but it isn't in the standard repository... sounds like i need to figure out which one it is referring to...
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21:58<th>so, fdisk, mkfs, mount, debootstrap, chroot, install kernel, install bootloader
21:59<mobildorn>hi0qw: libfuse2?
22:00<mobildorn>th: Yeah, and in most cases, there will be some "mount --bind /dev /mnt/target/dev; mount -t proc proc /mnt/target/proc" inbetween or your mkinitramfs will cry.
22:00<mobildorn>th: And don't forget some swap space.
22:00<mobildorn>And create an fstab.
22:00<mobildorn>Set a hostname.
22:00<mobildorn>Stuff like this.
22:00<mobildorn>Anyway, I'll leave now. Have fun.
22:01<mobildorn>And I'm sure the system will complain if you forgot a step.
22:01<th>thank you, mobildorn
22:01<th>have a nice day
22:02<mobildorn>It's rather a night, but thank you.
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22:04<hi0qw>well, this ain't working... time to try something else
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22:06<retrospectacus>!truecrypt
22:06<dpkg>TrueCrypt is a <non-free> (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. Not in Debian, ITP in bug #413070. http://forums.truecrypt.org/ http://www.truecrypt.org/
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22:11<hi0qw>i think it was in the install script file there was an alternate method that would give you another tar.gz containing /usr files to manually place in the filesystem... seems like it works so far by that method
22:12<doubledutch>I heard there's an ongoing issue regarding: "vlc : Depends: vlc-nox (= 1.1.3-1squeeze2) but it is not going to be installed" ...and that it possibly has to do with Repositories, is this true or did I get bunk info?
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22:13<doubledutch>To my knowledge, I hadn't uninstalled VLC and was shocked to find it missing - I then found the above dependency hell when I tried to reinstall it.
22:13<fantis>ok
22:13<fantis>so shit
22:13<fantis>what else should i shred?
22:13<fantis>i don't have anything to hide
22:13<fantis>but still
22:13<fantis>this is pretty fun.
22:14<retrospectacus>/dev/sda ?
22:14<fantis>sdb
22:14<fantis>1
22:14<retrospectacus>that would be a fun way to logout of irc..
22:14<fantis>find -type f -execdir shred -f -u -v -z '{}' \;
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22:41<ganeshp>hello all, need one help in dealing with selinux configuration
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22:42<ganeshp>I could install selinux on my home computer and it is running fine in permissive mode. But when I try to set enforcing mode I cant login to the system from next logon. When I enter user id and password I get only blank screen
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23:24<amitz>did someone named oojacobson or something like that used to hang around here? sorry oot
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23:50<Derfus>Hello
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23:50<amitz>hello
23:51-!-mode/#debian [+l 465] by debhelper
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23:51<DamonJr>Hello
23:52<MrFrood>!ask
23:52<DamonJr>I am trying to install Windows on this computer
23:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
23:52<DamonJr>but cannot find it via Software Center
23:52<sney>what
23:52*MrFrood huh?
23:53<DamonJr>Yes I cannot find Windows 7 via Software Center
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23:53<sney>well, it's not in there, because it isn't free software.
23:53<sney>among other reasons.
23:53<DamonJr>Really
23:53<DamonJr>but I selected non-free
23:53<sney>you'll have to see Microsoft for further non-troll responses
23:53<DamonJr>Still isn't there.
23:53<DamonJr>>:
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23:55<sney>that was a new one
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23:57<ctaylor>wow
23:57<fortify>Yes Hello
23:57<natureboy>\( *¯∇¯)ノ ☆FABULOUS~☆
23:58<fortify>I want to know if I can get XXX porn in software center?
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23:58<fortify>If so
23:58<fortify>what app?
23:58-!-Esteban_ [~Esteban@58-7-177-34.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:58<fortify>Also
23:58<fortify>Can I download Mac OS X
23:59<fortify>Via The Pirate Bay?
23:59<natureboy>Fortify: That Is Illegal.
23:59<fortify>really natureboy
23:59<natureboy>Yes.
23:59<fortify>I thought apple owned thepiratebay
23:59<fortify>and microsoft
23:59<fortify>seriously
23:59<fortify>wow
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