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00:03<gdey>Hello all.
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00:07<gdey>The Unionfs site did not seem to indicate as such.
00:08<gdey>hi tonofpcs
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00:13<gdey>I'm trying this on squeeze.
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00:22<gdey>okay after much searching it seems that AuFS is the replacement?
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01:06<Lantizia>Lo the old lenny netinst would list on tasksel things like Standard and Desktop and a few more... the squeeze netinst just lists "SSH Server" and "Standard system utilities"... any reason why?
01:07<sney>yours only shows those two? that's weird. I did a netinst a few weeks ago and it showed the desktop environment, web server, sql server, laptop, etc
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01:08<Lantizia>sney, well the last beta installer for squeeze showed them all too - this is the first time i've used the netinst disc
01:08<Lantizia>so was it the netinst you used or the installer iso?
01:09<sney>it was the netinst
01:10<gsimmons>Lantizia: You would want to confirm your system is configured to access a Debian mirror.
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01:11<Lantizia>gsimmons, well it failed to (i put the wrong gateway in).. so i went back to the network setup bit and fixed it.. then it claimed it could access the mirror
01:11<Lantizia>so maybe this is an error that occurs only if you go back then forward again?
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01:24<EmleyMoor>I can't view my horde3 framework using iceweasel on my desktop any more - can use Epiphany, or iceweasel on my laptop, but iceweasel on the desktop displays nothing for it.
01:25<retrospectacus>EmleyMoor: clear cache, cookies, disable plugins and addons until it works?
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01:26<EmleyMoor>retrospectacus: Well, nothing has changed on the plugins and addons - and I tried the rest already. I will investigate further
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01:28<EmleyMoor>It is a malfunctioning addon
01:28<EmleyMoor>Works now I've bounced it
01:28<dpkg>it has been said that woo is woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot!
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01:33<loungin>What files can I check for bootup type of logs? Fresh squeeze install hangs after some messages fly's by. Mounted / in rescue mode from USB stick.
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01:33<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
01:34<loungin>derp. gracias.
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01:53<samael>what are you up to huh
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02:15<RainbowW>trying to boot a gigabyte x58a-ud3r with a usb stick. it gets stuck at syslinux. where do i go to troubleshoot this?
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02:19<jm_>RainbowW: try another bootloader
02:20<RainbowW>jm_, i'm using the netinst install image. how?
02:21<jm_>RainbowW: i would test with grml-small which has grub and syslinux available as boot method
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02:31<bluenemo>hi guys. i want to combine several hdd's (like with lvm2) to then have one virtual hdd. anyhow, i dont want all hdd's to spin up when i access the lvm (or sth), only those on which actually the data is saved.. (i put my hdd's to sleep with hdparm -S 240) do you get what i mean?
02:33<Lantizia>hey can i set noninteractive frontend in the conf files?
02:35<jm_>Lantizia: yes
02:36<Lantizia>jm_, i've been looking online to find what that setting is, any ideas?
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02:38<jm_>Lantizia: dpkg-reconfigure debconf
02:38<Lantizia>no I want to put the configuration in to a file... not run a program to do that for me
02:38<Lantizia>i presume this is a change to dpkg not apt?
02:39<Lantizia>maybe /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg?
02:39<brutus>Hey guys. Why would I be denied the permission to login when I _know_ the password and username are correct and I just went through a very manual installation of Debian?
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02:40<jm_>it writes it to config.dat, you should not edit that by hand
02:40<brutus>Automatic installation of the base system failed, so I had to go to a tty and debootstrap, aptitude install grub linux-image-amd64, etc.
02:42<brutus>Before the Debian installer reached the step where the base system is supposed to install, everything went fine including setting up users and passwords. I made double sure I typed the correct password.
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02:43<cmot>brutus: boot from whatever, chroot into the installed system, set the password again
02:45<brutus>How? Sorry. I don't normally set up user accounts outside installers.
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02:48<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
02:48<jm_>that has the steps, ign roe the grub stuff
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03:03<ilya80>Hi All! Looking for advice on ext3 commit mount option. Basically I put it into fstab for my root filesystem, and its being ignored...
03:03<cmot>how do you mean "it's being ignored"?
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03:04<cmot>it doesn't show in "mount" output? or in /proc/mounts?
03:04<ilya80>Well, when i reboot and do grep ext3 /proc/mounts its back to 5 sec
03:04<jm_>ilya80: yeah I noticed the same - it looks like it gets ignored, perhaps try mount -o remount
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03:05<ilya80>well i`d have to do it everytime i boot? hoped to put it into fstab and be done with it. i`m on testing
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03:06<ilya80>maybe i`m missing something basic
03:06<ilya80>here's the line from fstab: /dev/md1 / ext3 commit=150,errors=remount-ro,noatime,norelatime 0 1
03:08<ilya80>jm_, think its worth filing a bug report? I`d rather not bother people with something that could just turn out a lack of knowledge :D
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03:10<jm_>ilya80: well with Debian kernel one can do it with rootflags
03:12<ilya80>you mean pass options to kernel @boot time?
03:13<brutus>I can't seem to mount my hard drive within the console of the Debian live installer.
03:13<brutus>It gets mounted sometime after partitioning, but I _don't_ want to partition.
03:13<cmot>brutus: "can't mount": do you have an error message or something?
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03:14<brutus>Yeah, it simply doesn't see it.
03:14<brutus>Like it doesn't exist.
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03:15<cmot>look in /dev/disk/by-uuid or other /dev/disk directories: is the device thee?
03:15<brutus>I'll see. I can just mount it with the file name in there right?
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03:17<ilya80>jm_, thanks! I`ll check it .. brb
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03:20<brutus>cmot, ls -h isn't displaying the sizes of the files in /dev/disk/by-uuid
03:20<brutus>How do I know which one is my hard drive?
03:20<cmot>brutus: they're just device files
03:20<cmot>call fdisk -l <device>, shows the partitioning
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03:21<brutus>Thank you again.
03:21<cmot>(but of course, for those device files that actually are partitions and not full drives, this will show useless crap!)
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03:22<cmot>but ls -l should show you where the by-uuid devices are really pointing to: they're symlinks
03:22<cmot>(at least on installed system. not sure about the installer enviroment)
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03:25<jm_>brutus: cat /proc/partitions
03:25<ilya80_1>hmm, according to man rootflags "Currently the only effect of these flags is to force the kernel to mount the root filesystem in readonly mode if flags is non-zero."
03:26<jm_>kernel docs say: rootflags= [KNL] Set root filesystem mount option string
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03:27<ilya80_1>ugh, i guess trying it out is the only way :D
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03:27<ilya80_1>by the way is it something i can set in grub during boot?
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03:28<Sarper>ilya80_1, what?
03:28<jm_>either that or initramfs options - man initramfs-tools
03:28<Sarper>sp jm
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03:28<ilya80_1>hey Sarper :P
03:29<Sarper>been awhile since I have been here.
03:29<Sarper>too long
03:30<ilya80_1>okies another reboot, brb. thanks jm_ !
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03:31<Sarper>been in Afghanistan for 2 years
03:32<Sarper>glad I am back
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03:34<Sarper>I'm back in #ati for AMDATI troubleshooting and support, msg me if you need me.
03:35<ilya80>cheers :)
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03:35<ilya80>no luck... edited corresponding line in grub during boot to have commit=600 noatime and its still back to 5 sec after boot
03:35<ilya80>i`ll try to remount root to see if it has any effect
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03:39<ilya80>interesting thing here
03:40<ilya80>its as if something adds commit=0 to options despite whats in fstab
03:40<cmot>ilya80: cd /etc; grep -r commit= .
03:41<cmot>then fire up reportbug, I guess
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03:43<ilya80>guess i`ll need to fill in the bug
03:44<cmot>udev rules are in /usr/share/whatever? perhaps worth having look there?
03:44<ilya80>it can have something to do with udev rules?
03:44<cmot>not sure
03:44<cmot>but udev is guilty by default ;-)
03:45<cmot>it could of course also be something in initrd
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03:46<cmot> /usr/share/initramfs-tools$ grep -r commit= . comes up empty though
03:46<ilya80>me too
03:47<ilya80>ok one last lame question... how do i remount root fs on a running system?
03:47<ilya80>please :)
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03:47<cmot>mount -o remount,... /
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03:48<cmot>or do you mean mount into a different rootfs?
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03:48<cmot>the latter is pretty much impossible since no process may have the old rootfs open
03:48<ilya80>i meant the first thanks
03:49<ilya80>if i pass it commit=150 and its ignored again, i`ll go for bug report
03:49<ilya80>hmm it did the trick
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03:50<cmot>I think you may want to report a bug anyway if you've got some time for further diagnosis. options in /etc/fstab shouldn't be ignored
03:50<ilya80>thats what i think
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03:51<ilya80>and weird... kjournald still writes to disk every 5 sec
03:51<ilya80>i need to go back to squeeze lol
03:51<cmot>not sure what to report against, though. perhaps just package general and let some other developer decide, maybe better than blindly guess which package to blame
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03:53<ilya80>could you please drop me a link where i should fill the bug?
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03:55<ilya80>ok think its
03:55<Sarper>email it to
03:55<cmot>Sarper: no, submit@bugs.d.o is the correct address. just include "Package: general" as the first line of your email
03:55<cmot>(in this specific case. Usually you shouldn't use general.)
03:56<Sarper>oh, it changed
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03:56<cmot>Sarper: Hmmm. No change for the last 5 years IIRC... ;-)
03:56<cmot>or if there's a working /usr/sbin/sendmail on the system: the reportbug command is very helpful
03:56<cmot>(there's also a GUI variant, I think)
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03:57<ilya80>i dropped sendmail since it was causing pauses during boot. I think i could setup domain name, etc correctly but oh well
03:57<ilya80>well guys thanks for guidance
03:57<ilya80>i`ll file the report sometime today
03:57<cmot>ilya80: note that /usb/sbin/sendmail is the standard mail sending interface. exim and postfix also have it
03:58<ilya80>yeah that might have been exim :D
03:58<jm_>it should no longer cause issues with parallel init i guess
03:58*cmot would never go closer than about 20m to a sendmail installation :-)
03:58<cmot>oh wait, my desk here is in that zone.
03:58<Sarper>exim was simple as long as the client didnt split the configs
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03:59<cmot>exim????? *shudder*
03:59<Sarper>and the thunder rolls
04:00<cmot>I actually tried to use exim4 as provided in squeeze when I recently switched my private servers to a new hardware & reinstalled anyway
04:00<Sarper>cmot, could be worse, could be configuring asterisk with multiple sips
04:00<cmot>because exim has a few very nice ideas.
04:00<cmot>but I gave up because I didn't fancy to read the whole exim spec
04:01<Sarper>I read it 4 days
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04:01*Sarper facepalms
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04:02<Sarper>bugs@b.d.o seems to still work, I must have been sending to a redirect all these years LMAO
04:02*Sarper fail
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04:03<Sarper>ok, on topic
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04:05<Sarper>I have been working very hard to modify the fglrx drivers to work with Dell-branded ATI cards and chipsets, I should have the new package over to AMD for approval soon, however Dell is having fits about it so it may take longer.
04:06<cmot>Ah, have never known about bugs@b.d.o, oh well...
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04:07<cmot>Dell becomes less and less relevant... (I know quite a few people who have used Dell stuff and have switched to HP in the last few years)
04:07<cmot>not only Linux users
04:07<Sarper>jm_, do you know who is in charge of the acpi packaging now?
04:09<Sarper>I had a client complain because the acpi support was insufficient on their Dell Dimension E510 running Squeeze, after looking at the system it wasn't a common libsmbios problem, it was a lack of probe support in acpi
04:10<Sarper>thermal zones were missing as well as fans
04:10<Sarper>smbios had the proper addresses, acpi didnt
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04:12<Sarper>cmot, hp may be for the common end-user, but the government has 90% Dell contracts
04:12<Sarper>army and marines are moving to toughbooks now
04:13<Sarper>the rest of the 10% is a mixed bag of crap to gold
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04:16<jm_>Sarper: isn't that up to kernel?
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04:16<Sarper>jm_ it is a kernel module at last look
04:17<Sarper>I was wondering if there was somebody maintaining the module
04:17<Sarper>if not, ok
04:17<jm_>Sarper: yes, and userland tools only work with files in /proc or /sys
04:17<jm_>yeah you need to talk to lkml
04:18<Sarper>ok, thx jm_
04:18<Sarper>dpkg, what is verbose
04:18<dpkg>hmm... verbose is a common debugging tool built into most sane programs, common forms of invocation are <command> -v or <command> --verbose
04:18<Sarper>much better
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04:22<Sarper>looks like Chris Wilson is in charge of it
04:22<Sarper>I remember him for a conference in California
04:23<jm_>for acpi? naah
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04:26<Sarper>nvm, he is the guy I am working with on fglrx, lol
04:26<kva>hello, all, I need just an explanation how to set up apache to show a simple page. apache is already installed but from /var/www I get 403 forbidden. where to move index.html?
04:27<Sarper>my brain is stressed
04:27<jm_>really? he is doing lots of i915 work
04:27<Sarper>kva, sudo apt-get install apache2
04:27<kva>already done
04:27<kva>port is open
04:27<Sarper>looks like Len Brown has acpi
04:27<jm_>check apache logs
04:27<kva>good idea, but where you'll put it?
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04:28<Sarper>kva, /var/log/apache
04:28<Sarper>or /var/log/apache2
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04:29<Sarper>depending on install method
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04:29<Sarper>web page goes in /var/www
04:29<kva>oooh. full of errors. I don't have index.cgi index.php, only index.html
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04:31<Sarper>kva look at
04:31<Sarper>it will walk you through it
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04:32<kva>well, if I couldn't google I won't come here? all what explained has been done. the error is too stupid to be noticed
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04:33<jm_>so maybe it doesn't use index.html as a default
04:33<kva>well, but how to name it?
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04:35*kva is used to name start page as index.html :-(
04:35<Sarper>kva, /etc/apache2/apache2.conf <-- Tells apache how to load and run
04:35<kva>it tells /var/www as home directory. maybe I can place it otherwise like in home directory of a user
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04:36<Sarper>Check for the following line in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf file: DirectoryIndex, needs to say: index.html index.cgi index.php index.xhtml index.shtml
04:36<kva>I chowned it to 666 but it stills says 403 forbidden
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04:36<kva>ty, checking
04:37<Sarper>kva, chmod -R 775 /var/www
04:37<Sarper>then look
04:37<dpkg>Xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, allowing several guest operating systems to execute concurrently on the same system. Provides paravirtualization (requiring guest OSs to be modified/ported) and hardware-assisted virtualization (for running guests unmodified). For detailed help, see . #debian-xen on See also <virtualization>.
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04:39<kva>nope. directory index is in order and 775 gives 403
04:39<jm_>how did you configure apache?
04:40<kva>well, apt-get and vi to check
04:40<Sarper>kva, chmod -R www-data:www-data /var/www
04:40<jm_>you should use a2enable
04:40<kva>chmod and not chown?
04:40<kva>what's that?
04:40<Sarper>then /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
04:40<jm_>a2ensite even
04:41<Sarper>kva, yes chown, sorry
04:41<Sarper>long month
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04:42<kva>well, still same
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04:43<kva>someone wants to try?
04:43<cmot>kva: you said apache error log "full of errors" above.
04:44<cmot>are all errors dealt with?
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04:44<kva>yes. not found, index.cgi not found. index.php not found. index.html not found...
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04:44<kva>easy to deal with, I need html
04:45<Sarper>cmot, wanna walk him through /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default
04:45<kva>others were never existent
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04:45<kva>it's by default. index.html is in /var/www
04:46<cmot>index.html not found ???
04:46<kva>never touched it from the installation
04:46<kva>yup. index.html
04:46<cmot>if it's 403, it shouldn't be not found
04:46<cmot>something's fishy
04:46<kva>well, that's why I am here
04:47<cmot>remove and purge all apache-related things and reinstall?
04:47<Sarper>cmot, iirc index is in a sub-directory of /var/www as specified in 000-default
04:47<kva>ls finds it, but apache isn't
04:49<kva>so well, no way to move it to home directory of some user?
04:50<cmot>kva: read apache documentation. set DocumentRoot to whatever you want. don't forget the <Directory> to allow apache to access it
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04:50<Sarper>thank you cmot
04:50<kva>well, it's 777 already...
04:50<cmot>kva, /var/www should work by default, so the fact that it doesn't in your case means something strange is going on, hard to tell without my crystal ball
04:51<jm_>for users usermod needs to be enabled - man a2enmod
04:51<kva>well, I have a proposition for you...
04:51<kva>ssh is working :-) want to figure it out?
04:51<kva>something is really strange
04:51<Sarper>kva, apache looks to the files in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ for locations of the files, /etc/apache2/apache2.conf is a fallback location if the other directories fail to exist
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04:52<kva>well, /var/www should be working
04:52<jm_>Sarper: no, a2ensite takes care of that
04:53<Sarper>modify /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default to point to /var/www istead of /var/www/apache2
04:53<kva> DocumentRoot /var/www
04:53<kva> <Directory />
04:53<kva> Options FollowSymLinks
04:53<kva> AllowOverride None
04:53<kva> </Directory>
04:53<kva> <Directory /var/www/>
04:53<kva> Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews
04:53<kva> AllowOverride None
04:53<kva> Order allow,deny
04:53<kva> allow from all
04:53<kva> </Directory>
04:53<kva>it's by default to /var/www
04:53<Sarper>ok ls -l /var/www
04:53<jm_>please don't paste here
04:54<Sarper>use pastebin
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04:54<Sarper>or msg me
04:54<kva>root@zippy:/etc/apache2# ls /var/www
04:54<kva> index.html index.html.1
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04:54<Sarper>ls -l /var/www
04:54<kva>just 3 lines. index is there
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04:55<kva>all www-data...
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04:56<kva>and index is in there, I am really stunned
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04:56<Sarper>kva, ps U www-data
04:57<kva>no process
04:57<Sarper>apache process is not running as www-data
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04:57<kva>root@zippy:/etc/apache2# /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
04:57<kva>Restarting web server: apache2apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName
04:57<kva>apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName
04:57<kva>(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80
04:58<kva>hehe, and what took port 80?
04:58<Sarper>killall apache2
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04:58<kva>root@zippy:/etc/apache2# ps ax | grep apache
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04:58<kva> 3014 pts/2 S+ 0:00 grep apache
04:58<kva>nope, nothing to kill
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04:59<Sarper>killall apache
04:59<kva>look above? I looked for apache
04:59<Sarper>just a sec
05:00<kva>ty for you help, but it's really bizzare
05:00<Sarper>look at DONT PASTE lsof -i
05:00<DrSampler>where is folder that contains alsamixer program??
05:00<petemc_>`lsof -i :80
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05:01<Sarper>DrSampler, I think it is /usr/bin
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05:01<kva>well. I will paste in prv
05:02<kva>it's strangely short
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05:02<DrSampler>Sarper: thanks, it is really there
05:02<DrSampler>thanks a lot
05:03<babilen>DrSampler: 'which alsamixer' + 'whereis alsamixer'
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05:05<kva>alsamixer is usually in /usr/bin
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05:07<dpkg>methinks alsamixer is usually in /usr/bin and controls the aspects of your soundcards from the command-line
05:07<petemc_>oddly specific
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05:08<Sarper>i am pissed they took out alsaconf
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05:33<kva>well. alsaconf were too texmodesn for testes of new generation :-)
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05:37<kva>and texstmodern, but I liked it. while my friend didn't installed windows over old good redhat
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05:45<pgimeno>I am using Debian Lenny and I've run into a weird error. When I type "apt-cache show lightning" I get the following output: and then an error in stderr: "E: Handler silently failed". I was wondering if I have corrupt files or if someone else can reproduce this problem.
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05:48<edgar>Hi everyone! I just dist-upgraded from lenny to squeeze. Now I fear the reboot, since even aptitude failed to install, any pointer? (I know I will probably need to give more info, but I'm not sure what.)
05:49<babilen>edgar: How did you upgrade?
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05:51<edgar>I changed my sources from lenny to squeeze, then used apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade
05:51<brutus>How do I find out why conky is in contrib?
05:52<babilen>!tell edgar -about release notes
05:52<edgar>I checked out this document:
05:52<babilen>edgar: So, you followed the method outlined in the release notes?
05:52<babilen>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
05:52<dpkg>Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <squeeze release notes>.
05:52<edgar>ugh doesn't sound apealing, babilen
05:52<babilen>edgar: Essentially that ^^^ ?
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05:53<edgar>i tried, but obviously I failed miserably
05:53<babilen>edgar: One problem with the upgrade is that you have to update the kernel and udev together and reboot directly afterwards. All that before you dist-upgrade
05:53<edgar>&8-( I neglected to remove volatile & backports
05:53<ravenbird>Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
05:53<babilen>edgar: So, at which stage in the process are you?
05:54<babilen>edgar: You can still remove/update them
05:54<themill>.oO( it's easier to read the release notes before the fact rather than after )
05:54<edgar>I checked about the kernel and udev, seems Im running the proper ones
05:54<babilen>edgar: So, you performed the kernel/udev update, rebooted and dist-upgraded afterwards?
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05:55<Sarper>themill, only if the release notes load before ;)
05:55<edgar>apt-get just finished, but obviously my installation is messed up if I dont have and cant install aptitude
05:56<babilen>edgar: Could you show us the output of such a failed run on -- I have to let you know though that i'll have to leave soon :-\
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05:57<Sarper>/msg themill Error: User 'bots' doesn't exist.
05:57<edgar>ok, no worries, im on a bus almost at my destination, so i dont have long either
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05:57<edgar>ill paste the output afaic
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06:02<edgar>babilen: that paste is the end of the apt-get output after my dist-upgrade
06:03<Amiine>Hey !!
06:03<jm_>a workaround for that should be trivial
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06:04<devil> /usr/bin/python: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
06:05<devil>edgar: i guess, apt-get -f install does not solve it?
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06:06<edgar>devil: thx, i removed volatile from my sources, updated and am running 'sudo apt-get -f upgrade'
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06:07<devil>apt-get -f upgrade?
06:07<devil>never heard of that one.
06:07<edgar>sorry, from your question I get that that's stupid of me
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06:07<devil>apt-get -f install does not hurt, i wonder if it can fix it
06:08<edgar>trying, hope you're right
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06:08<devil>edgar: i am right in that it cannot hurt.
06:08<edgar>yep, you are most certainly
06:09<devil>edgar: the output in a pastebin could bring us closer to the real prob as well
06:09<edgar>i guess...
06:09<edgar>but I was hoping it might help &8-D
06:09<edgar>yep, coming up
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06:12<edgar>thats the output of the 'apt-get -f install'
06:13<devil>edgar: what does: which python say?
06:14<edgar>im sorry, i dont understand your question
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06:14<babilen>devil: run 'which python' and give us the output
06:15<devil>edgar: put 'which python' in your terminal and hit enter
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06:15<babilen>edgar: Do you have a local installation of Python?
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06:16<edgar>there's no output, devil, which is very scary
06:16<devil>edgar: that is strange, yes, and the clue to your problem
06:16<babilen>edgar: hei, have to go. good luck, i'll be back later but i'm confident that you and devil figure it out in the meantime :)
06:17<devil>apt says it installed python 2.6 though
06:17<edgar>thx babilen!
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06:17<edgar>have a great day/night
06:17<devil>edgar: please pastebin: dpkg -l |grep python*
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06:20<Sarper>devil, edgar tried doing dist-upgrades without following prerequisites, ensure sources are changed back to lenny before apt usage
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06:26<devil>Sarper: what prerequisites exactly?
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06:28<Sarper>he did dist-upgrade while backports lenny was still up, most of the installations failed and he is trying to repair his now crippled system, he cannot even logoff
06:29<Sarper>he said he lost aptitude as well
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06:30<Sarper>he is currently on a lenny system with squeeze sources
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06:31<Sarper>good luck
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06:32<devil>Sarper: argh, backpors lenny is bad news.
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06:34<JoelR>hi, i have one problem trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze it says: debian-archive-keyring E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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06:34<JoelR>i do: dpkg -r --force-depends debian-archive-keyring and then debian uninstalls it. After that, i do apt-get dist-upgrade and the same happens
06:36<pgimeno>I found something that could explain my problem, but I don't know how I got into that situation. dselect reported version 1.1-2.1 as current (but purged !?!? ) and 1.2-5 as new. Installing and uninstalling it fixed it. I got rid of 1.1-2.1, Inst.ver shows <none> as expected and now apt-cache correctly stops after showing the package info with no error output.
06:38<pgimeno>Any idea of how did I have that "Installed version" 1.1-2.1 of lightning, with a purged package? Maybe due to cancelling an installation in the middle, or something? I remember long ago to have been interested in it and perhaps I tried to install it.
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07:34<JoelR>Hi, i'm having this problem trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze:
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07:36<Witwe>openoffice + abiword kill screen on start. Squeeze stable up-to-date. No matter whether kde or xfce. Graphics: radeon9600. Presume gtk-bug. Any hints?
07:36<Witwe>lenny unstable + opensuse11.4 no probs
07:37<babilen>JoelR: There is typically no need to ask in both channels
07:38<igorkliks>anyone experiences slow name resolving with squeeze?
07:38<amitz>run those from an opened console within gui using an app called screen. see any error message.
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07:39<amitz>unless you mean they kill the app named "screen".
07:39<bubak>igorkliks: contents of /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf?
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07:40<igorkliks>bubak: nothing there, just README
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07:42<crashbox>hi all
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07:45<bubak>igorkliks: any ipv6 addresses and running Java programs?
07:45<bubak>igorkliks: if not, running any DNS caches (dnsmasq, pdnsd, ...)?
07:46<igorkliks>bubak: nope
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07:46<igorkliks>bubak: actually eth0 has ipv6 set
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07:48<bubak>igorkliks: if you do not use it, you may try: 'ip -6 addr del <ip6addr> dev eth0' and try resolve
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07:48<bubak>igorkliks: last idea here is to use: strace <program> and see what happens (where the wait really is)
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07:48<igorkliks>bubak: tried that, and it stalls at getaddrinfo
07:50<jm_>it should show what getaddrinfo is doing
07:50<bubak>igorkliks: well, you may try to set different nameservers (/etc/resolv.conf), but probably no more ideas. using IP directly is fine and fast?
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07:52<igorkliks>bubak: setting different dns helps
07:52<igorkliks>bubak: when I set it to google dns it works
07:52<igorkliks>bubak: but I still wonder why it's not working with default one
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07:53<mike_>Hi! Please, help me to remove drweb-daemon.. I've installed Parallels Plesk, then I remove it but now I can't remove drweb. The error is: configured to not write apport reports
07:53<mike_> update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/drwebd: file does not exist
07:53<mike_>/var/lib/dpkg/info/drweb-daemon.postinst: 4: /etc/init.d/drwebd: not found
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07:54<igorkliks>bubak: tnx for hints
07:54<jm_>mike_: where is drweb from?
07:54<mike_>Parallels Plesk package
07:54<jm_>so not a package from debian?
07:55<jm_>then you need to talk to them about this bug
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07:56<bubak>igorkliks: that is why i use local DNS cache for some time now (pdnsd) -- it works quite good and DNS resolv is fast almost everywhere, but i had problems with default pdnsd config on debian, using dnsmasq may be better idea, dependeing on what you need with DNS
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07:57<mike_>ok, but may I just remove it by aptitude?
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07:57<igorkliks>bubak: i was checking the dnsmasq, but only briefly
07:57<jm_>just run "touch /etc/init.d/drwebd" and see if it fixes it
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07:57<igorkliks>bubak: i'll have to get back to it obviously
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07:58<mike_>empty output....
07:59<mike_>a part of drweb's packages aptitude removed. Just drweb-daemon still present
07:59<mike_>maybe it can help:dpkg -l | grep drweb
08:00<mike_>ri drweb-daemon 5.0.1-0plesk DrWeb Antivirus Daemon
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08:07<marcus>Does anyone know a good way to get started contributing to Debian? Preferably helping with bugs, but also wouldn't mind doing some crap work DDs don't wanna do. Checked out the "New maintainers guide", but it seems to be about becoming maintainer for a specific package which I don't feel really applies.
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08:08<johnfg>hi folks
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08:08<SynrG>marcus: depends on where your skills/interests are
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08:08<johnfg>I should know this, but what's the name of the file where System/Preferences/About Me keeps its data?
08:08<SynrG>marcus: have you read ?
08:08<jm_>marcus: for bugs maybe this is starting point
08:10<SynrG>oh, i guess you start here: (links to /newmaint)
08:10<marcus>My interests are mainly programming, but I wouldn't mind updating documentation and stuff if that's needed
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08:11<marcus>I have some education in C++, java and ada. ^^ The problem with the newmain is, it seems to assume I have some specific package I want to maintain.
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08:13<cmot>marcus: starting with newmaint is the wrong place to start in my opinion
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08:13<SynrG>right. you don't need to be a DM or DD to contribute. both links above include suggestions as to other activities.
08:14<marcus>Allright :)
08:14<cmot>marcus: what you do is, just get started. where do you want to help Debian? what do yuo think could be improved?
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08:14<cmot>marcus: for example: go to
08:14<johnfg>I asked about the personal info so I can copy it from my lenny machine.
08:14<cmot>look at all the open bug reports, work on these if you can
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08:15<marcus>Allright! And info about proper patch procedures and stuff are in the newmaint guide?
08:15<cmot>marcus: not really...
08:16<cmot>marcus: if you want to start working on bug reports, in the beginning you'd just write your findings to the bug report
08:16<marcus>Ah allright
08:16<cmot>learn how to build Debian packages from source (this is in the newmaint guide, I guess)
08:16<cmot>then you can submit patches
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08:18<cmot>marcus: important urls: (obviously; also has links to lots of instructions on how, exactly, the bug tracker works, how to deal with package versions and all this.)
08:18<marcus>Awesome. I'll try diving right in to the bug reports then! Thanks for the tips :)
08:18<marcus>Ah, nice :)
08:18<cmot>marcus: then, -- lots, lots, lots of useful material linked from there
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08:19<marcus>When it comes to documentation on the debian wiki, is "general guides" allright to put in there?
08:19<marcus>I wouldn't mind sharing how I got my multiseat up and running on Debian squeeze there
08:20<cmot>Hmm. I guess you could create a page on the wiki. a page linked from perhaps?
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08:22<jm_>or perhaps put it in X section
08:22<cmot>marcus: also has some more general suggestions what you could do if you don't have a specific idea what to contribute
08:22<babilen>yeah, /me would rather look in the X section than the SystemAdministration one
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08:24<marcus>Yeah sounds good. There's just not as much info on multiseat as one would like, at least not on the places you'd like ^^
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08:26<j0sfg>my Logitech TrackMan Marble+ wheelmouse works great under windows. the mousewheel doesn't work on a minimal install of debian testing. do i need any specific packages or configs? pls help
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08:27<j0sfg>it is a ps/2 mouse, and left/right buttons work, but not the scroll wheel or wheel click.
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08:28<j0sfg>sorry the wheel click works, but the wheel scroll does not work
08:29<jm_>wheel in X?
08:29<j0sfg>yes i am using X
08:30<jm_>does xev report any events for wheel?
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08:31<j0sfg>haven't used xev. is that a package i need to install and is it straightforward?
08:32<JoelR>babilen, now it looks like it is working. thank you very much
08:32<jm_>it's a binary, and yes, easy to use - just move pointer into it and press buttons etc
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08:32<jm_>x11-utils: /usr/bin/xev
08:32<babilen>JoelR: No problem, you are welcome. Good you've cleaned your /usr/local a bit :)
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08:34<j0sfg>xev seems to be a part of x11-utils, which is not installed on my system. i will install and then try it. i haven't needed that package yet, and i have no other problems
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08:35<jm_>also do: grep Buttons /var/log/Xorg.*.log
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08:37<j0sfg>wow, x11-utils wants to pull in cpp and 5 other dependencies. do i really need it?
08:39<j0sfg>grep -i Buttons /var/log/Xorg.*.log gives me "PS/2 Mouse: Found 3 mouse buttons" and "PS/2 Mouse: YAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5", apart from my "touchpad: buttons:" events
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08:41<jm_>YAxisMapping, maybe that's why
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08:42<j0sfg>what does that mean? am i also supposed to have an XAxisMapping and a ZAxisMapping too?
08:42<jm_>I have only ever seen ZAxisMapping
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08:45<j0sfg>that is most interesting... i have just checked again. it definitely says "YAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5". no mention of ZAxisMapping
08:45<jm_>yeah maybe that's normal with two devices, I never tried that
08:47<j0sfg>is that what could be? but windows seems to accept these two devices simultaneously. should i go into the bios, disable touchpad, and retry with the external mouse only?
08:48<j0sfg>even if that works, i don't really want to keep changing bios settings frequently, as i don't use the external mouse all the time.
08:48<jm_>well you could try by editing xorg.conf and have it handle trackball only
08:50<jm_>start by reading through xorg log to see which devices it uses
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08:50<jm_>i'll need to run soon
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08:51<j0sfg>how can i add specific entry into my xorg.conf for this external trackball mouse with config for scrollwheel? can you pls refer me to some link?
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08:51<babilen>!tell j0sfg -about xorg.conf.d
08:52<jm_>well like I said, first check what it uses now, then see if reversing order of input devices help, just an idea
08:54<j0sfg>jm_: really appreciate your efforts and time. i have tried adding specific entry for my trackball with Option "Device" "/dev/input/mouse0" in my xorg.conf with Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
08:54<jm_>j0sfg: I would first try to tell it to use only this device, it probably uses evdev driver now with both devices
08:54<SynrG>i don't think hardwiring device names is so good
08:54<j0sfg>but that never worked and i took that off to let autodetect work, which does the same whether i add another entry into xorg.conf or not
08:55<SynrG>maybe use one of the Match* keywords
08:56<SynrG>InputClass ... MatchProduct ... or something
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08:56<jm_>anyway, bye for now
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08:57<j0sfg>SynrG: how do you say i use Match* keyword in this case
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08:57<SynrG>j0sfg: see xorg.conf man page
08:58<SynrG>this allows you to hone your section specifically for the hardware in question
08:58<SynrG>without hardwiring a device node (which is not necessarily guaranteed to be the same hardware every time)
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09:00<j0sfg>"grep -i wheel /var/log/Xorg.0.log" gives me "(**) PS/2 Mouse: EmulateWheelButton: 4, EmulateWheelInertia: 10, EmulateWheelTimeout: 200". does this mean it has detected mousewheel? scroll doesn't work, but mousewheel click does
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09:01<j0sfg>lsmod lists a psmouse. is it supposed to find an imps/2 or something like that?
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09:04<cmot>"telnet -4 somehost imap" is fast. "telnet somehost imap" is slow. host does not have an AAAA record, localhost (squeeze) has ipv6 disabled (meaning: no interface has an ipv6 address)
09:04<j0sfg>SynrG: if i use "Device" "/dev/psaux", am i still hardwiring? sorry, i am a bit confused?
09:05<cmot>during the delay, the telnet process hangs in a poll() system call on the dns filedescriptor. tcpdump shows the dns request made twice.
09:05<cmot>"host somehost" is quick and shows the ipv4 address. "host -t aaaa somehost" is fast, too, and gives "has no aaa record"
09:06<SynrG>i don't think we use /dev/psaux anymore ... and yes, that's hardwiring the device name
09:06<SynrG>as for ImPS/2 vs PS/2. dunno
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09:19<Witwe>amitz: sry, was busy. What does ^^ mean? kill Screen meant: the windows etc are still there, it reacts on input, but there is nothing recognizable, let alone readable
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09:21<Witwe>amitz: so, there are no readable error messages. ok could pipe them to a file and read it after restart. now not practicable
09:24<amitz>Witwe: ^^ means see above. there is an app named screen. If you run the screen, you can spawn "consoles" that can be recalled from other console. So you run those apps under a say gnome-terminal running screen that run those apps, your Xsession crashes, restart Xsession, then call back the previous screen session and see the error messages
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09:25<Witwe>amitz: thx. I'll be back
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09:25<amitz>"I'll be back" <- using terminator's voice ;-)
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09:26<Witwe>amitz: i am the guy with the austrian accent
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09:27<amitz>I thought that's just the way he speaks. So that's austrian accent...
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09:36<Witwe>amitz: yep. that's the reason he isn't president. "You haf to tchanche sat"
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09:40<amitz>col (chucklingout loud) :-p
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09:43<konsument>Hi - is it possible to boot a Debian Live ISO residing on HDD by using a grub2 command?
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09:44<konsument>whenevery I tried it (different distros) it hung at the line "mounting root.." or similar
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09:48<chgtg>has anyone the experience for the thinkpad bluetooth laser mouse under bluez 4.87-2? ( kernel is 2.6.37-2 under wheezy/sid)
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09:50<chgtg>I always lost my connection after successing hidd --server and hidd --search.
09:51<SynrG>konsument: interesting problem. anything in help?
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09:52<Sarper>Ganneff, dpkg's bugs plugin is messed up again
09:53<Sarper>so, smack your bot, lol
09:53<@Ganneff>why do you think its my bot?
09:54<dpkg>dondelelcaro owns me
09:54<Sarper>I suppose it may be themill's
09:54<konsument>SynrG: thx I will try that
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09:57<themill>Sarper: specifics would be better than vague statements about how it doesn't work
09:58<dpkg>error: could not parse
09:58<Sarper>no pebbcat
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09:58<Sarper>prob exists between bot code and terminal
09:59<SynrG>!help bugs
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10:00<SynrG>hm. not collecting rc bug counts yet?
10:01<petemc>!dbugs 497100
10:02<Sarper>told you I wasnt
10:02<petemc>it does work
10:02<petemc>tho it didnt that time...
10:02<themill>the "dbugs" command not working is rather different to the "bugs" command not working.
10:03<SynrG>11:03 <dpkg> exceeded allowed forked count (shm 229377): Debian, DebianExtra
10:03<Sarper>dbugs isnt listed in his loaded modules
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10:04<themill>that would be because "dbugs" isn't a module.
10:05<Sarper>you built it into his core?
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10:07<Sarper>holy hell, dpkg is using 18MB of mem, drop the flatfile sqlite factoid DB and go with mysql
10:07<Sarper>our bots never run over 1MB mem
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10:12<Sarper>!what is Microsoft Windows
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10:15<Zathras>Hi. yesterday I installed Squeeze in a new VM. To my surprise the installer did not recognize the cursorkeys. I had to use the numerickeypad. After the installation a dpkg-reconfigure of console-data and console-setup did not provide a solution for this keyboard issue.
10:15<Zathras>Any suggestions?
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10:22<SynrG>Zathras: which VM? connecting to it how? i've seen some unusual key mapping problems with VirtualBox that i've had to workaround with various x11vnc options
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10:22<Zathras>VM: vmware ESX4i
10:22<Zathras>never had this problem before
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10:23<Zathras>also an other Squeeze ran fine there. But this was installed before Squeeze was released as stable so it was installed with an older installer
10:23<SynrG>the particular combination was running a WinXP instance on my desktop and accessing it via remmina from home connected to my work desktop via x11vnc
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10:25<SynrG>parentheses stopped working until i told x11vnc to ignore certain keycodes (turns out double keycodes were being seen by x11vnc for some odd reason)
10:25<SynrG>don't know if there's any relation at all to your issue though.
10:27<Zathras>most unlikely but extra info is always a good thing. ty
10:27<SynrG>you might pull out xev and see if it tells you anything for the missing keypresses
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10:29<SynrG>(or, hm 'showkey' if console-only?)
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10:33<Zathras>console only. I used showkey. ctrl is also failing (both)
10:33<Zathras>but showkey detects them all
10:33<Zathras>so the mapping just stinks
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10:36<Zathras>maybe installing keymapper helps
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10:50<Zathras>nope it does not
10:50<themill>Sarper: please stop filling dpkg's database with crap. There's enough in there already that we're trying to get rid of... we don't need more.
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10:51<dpkg>Since Thu Mar 3 12:05:03 2011, there have been 5 modifications, 47 questions, 13 dunnos, 0 morons and 65 commands. I have been awake for 3h 46m 37s this session, and currently reference 39388 factoids. I'm using about 18052 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 10.97/0.99 child 0/0
10:52<Arrowmaster>meh, purl has 177k factoids
10:52<tharkun>themill: need help prunning factoids of dpkg?
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11:18<will>anyone succeeded on remapping a key using the xmodmap utility?
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11:19<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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11:20<will>the problem is I can't remap the BackSpace key to the Left key
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11:21<will>it makes my keyboard bugging with the e becoming a currency mark
11:22<cahoot>will: the simple answer is yes, but I believe there's a new mechanism to use (don't ask me how)
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11:32<will>cahoot: so your wiki link should be about remapping a key?
11:32<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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11:39<Corin>Hey, I seem to be having an issue with flash. When I click certain youtube links, the screen is covered by segmented red/blue lines and the background turns black. When this happens, I'm unable to really do much of anything, although the video still seems to play. I'm using Debian 6.0 amd64
11:40<Corin>Has anyone heard of such an issue? I tried asking on freenode but to no avail.
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11:42<will>Corin: are you using Gnash or a proprietary plugin?
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11:43<Corin>The latter. Adobe Flash.
11:43<Corin>Don't shoot.
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11:44<will>you got your answer
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11:44<Corin>It's just Flash then?
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11:44<will>we support Debian which includes only libre software
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11:45<will>non-free softwares do not belong to the Debian distribution
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11:46<Corin>Well, if you could direct me to a fully-functional libre Flash player, by all means. :)
11:46<will>Gnash is the default plugin with Iceweasel
11:46<will>it's low but functional
11:46<themill>fsvo "default"
11:47<kop>Corin: It's abit hard to support somebody else's stuff. But we do help you run it, if we can.
11:47<will>you could download your stream then play it with any video player
11:47<kop>Corin: There's also ytubedl (iirc.)
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11:47<kpkarl>vlc also supports youtube links too
11:47<will>flash playback is too slow to be useful with free softwares
11:48<kop>will: I don't watch flash, but what do you mean?
11:48<will>that's why I prefer to download the video file instead of playing the stream online
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11:48<Corin>I would prefer to only use free software, although it makes it a bit difficult in a couple of areas, you know? :/
11:49<will>kop: I'm talking about flash embedded players
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11:49<will>Corin: Try Gnash, it's free and the default plugin in Iceweasel
11:49<cahoot>will: one of the last links on the page is this, explains a bit
11:49<kop>will: ? So your net connection is too slow?
11:49<Corin>will: I know. Gnash didn't work for many things.
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11:50<will>kop: it's not about the connection speed but the cpu speed for playing full hd streams
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11:51<will>I have no problem using Totem instead of using Gnash for playing HD videos
11:52<kop>will: So you're saying the adobe player on Linux sucks cpu in ways it does not suck on other platforms?
11:52<ripero>Hi, I think I am having problems with one of my hard drives (the one with the / partition), and I am a little lost
11:53<will>kop: Nop. Usually the Adobe player works fine but it's proprietary
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11:53<kop>will: So the free players eat cpu. Ok.
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11:54<will>Corin: What doesn't work with Gnash?
11:54<ripero>The /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog files seem to be corrupted, also
11:54<kop>ripero: Better explain the problem if you want help.
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11:54<kop>ripero: (Although if you've a failing hard drive the first thing to do is back it up.)
11:55<tharkun>Gentlemen i need to download netinst for squeeze. I planned on using bittorrent to avoid load on servers? Is it a recomended way to do it
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11:55<ripero>kop: sure, that's the first thing I did
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11:55<kop>tharkun: The neinstall is small enough it does not matter much. Whatever you like.
11:55<will>Corin: If you configure Gnash to save the stream in a file then you play it back with Totem I see no problem even with a cheap CPU like I own
11:56<ripero>In the copy I got some errors, I thought they might be related with the error
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11:56<tharkun>kop: ok thanks
11:56<kop>ripero: How do you know you have a problem?
11:56<ripero>the system suddenly freezes
11:56<ripero>and some output is sent to the terminals concerning ata1.0
11:56<Corin>will: I could likely do the same with various media players, I'm hoping. :P
11:57<kop>ripero: Is there something in the "dmesg" output? What is the exact error you get on the console?
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11:57<will>VLC could dump the stream even recompress it on the fly
11:58<kop>will: Why would the streaming players be so sucky compared to something that plays off disk?
11:58<will>it's like comparing script with binary executables
11:58<kop>will: Why is it like that?
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11:59<fnmueller>kop: flash and gnash both have to render the graphics inside the cpu instead of using the gpu. The flash api does not provide for gpu rendering in linux
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11:59<kop>fnmueller: I see.
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12:02*AgentC thinks gring (friend) logs on soon :-)
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12:02<AgentC>!tell agentc about alsa
12:03<kop>!tell AgentC about selftell
12:04<tharkun>!tell kop about beer
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12:06<ripero>kop: I have copied the output of dmesg in , I think problems start around line 734
12:07<will>fnmueller: Are you sure the Flash player doesn't use the GPU because I'm remembering using the overlay function with the nVidia driver
12:07<ripero>looks like there are read failures
12:07<ripero>sometimes I hear the hard drive stop and start spinning again
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12:08<will>in fact I think it's more about scripted object with Flash rather than hardcoded UI
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12:09<will>this problem should be resolved with the adoption of HTML 5
12:09<ripero>(sorry, I got disconnected)
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12:10<SynrG>there's a guy with adobe who blogs about such things. i'm pretty sure in one article he talked about the addition of GPU accel and in another he talked about flash having an inherently longer video pipeline
12:10<ByteCrusher>What would be the simplest way to build a kernel modules (part of debian-kernel-source) with some change configuration?
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12:11<ByteCrusher>E.g. I would like aufs.ko with NFS_EXPORT=y.
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12:11<kop>ripero: Yes, it looks like your hard drive is going bad. You could boot a live cd and run badblocks if you wanted to, but I don't think that will tell you more. (I'm no expert, but can read "media failure" as well as anybody.)
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12:11<kop>ripero: There's also the smartmontools packge for drive self-diagnostics.
12:12<SynrG>will: the pipeline article i was remembering:
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12:13<marcus>About the flash thing, I'm pretty sure the new "Square" supports flash on 32bit linux through VDPAU. Think it's still beta though,
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12:14<ByteCrusher>jhutchins_lt That is great for extra modules but those are part of the kernel tree it is not.
12:14<kop>ripero: There's also the remote possiblity of PSU failure or overloading that's causing a drive failure but I wouldn't bet on it.
12:15<ripero>kop: thanks for the advice
12:15<kop>!tell ByteCrusher about make-kpkg
12:15<kop>ByteCrusher: But I don't know that that's the best way to fiddle with just one module.
12:15<ByteCrusher>kop: make-kpkg rebuilds the whole kaboodle. Takes a long time.
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12:17<jhutchins_lt>ByteCrusher: The source for the standard modules should be in the kernel source.
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12:18<jhutchins_lt>ByteCrusher: Theoretically you can modify one module and just build that, but I'm not sure of the exact steps in Debian.
12:18<jhutchins_lt>ByteCrusher: There might be someone in #debian-mentors who could help.
12:18<ByteCrusher>jhutchins_lt: Yes- they are, the question is how to build them individually or with the least overhead.
12:18<kop>ripero: smartmontools can warn you before a drive fails and lvm can migrate the data on a live system so you have minimal downtime. (But you have to use lvm ahead of time.)
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12:20<ripero>kop: ok, thanks
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12:22<will>SynrG: the blog is very funny
12:22<SynrG>well, hopelessly biased
12:23<SynrG>i think it might have been titled "Reasons why flash must die" :P
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12:24<SynrG>he gets an E for effort though
12:24<ripero>kop: is there any way to know if it only affects one of the partitions of the hard drive?
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12:25<jhutchins_lt>ripero: Not with smart
12:26<ripero>jhutchins_lt: maybe with another utility?
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12:26<ByteCrusher>Thanks jhutchins_lt I'll check with #debian-mentors
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12:44<jhutchins_lt>Or not...
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12:45<Bendezium>hi there. anyone got a minute to help me out with some boot problems?
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12:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:49<SynrG>jhutchins_lt: fsvo 'right'? :)
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12:52<Bendezium>I'm having a problem booting into grub
12:52<AgentC>how check DMA-channels on debian ?
12:52<Bendezium>... I think
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12:55<jhutchins_lt>Bendezium: I'm having trouble motivating myself to re-write the web analysis configuration for a site I mange.
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12:56<SynrG>I'm having trouble with how long winter is taking.
12:56<SynrG>what a sorry bunch we are
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12:59<ByteCrusher>jhutchins_lt: No luck with #debian-mentors - any suggestion where to ask with build and package issues?
13:00<SynrG>write the debian-mentors mailing list in that case.
13:01<themill>recompiling a kernel module isn't really a "build and packaging issue" though
13:01<ByteCrusher>for me it is ;-)
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13:02<jhutchins_lt>themill: Not strictly on-topic but a possible place to find someone who can point to an answer.
13:03<ByteCrusher>Hey - I'll try. How much bigger can that headache get?
13:03<themill>not really. Either #debian or the debian-user mailing list would be the best places to ask
13:03<jhutchins_lt>ByteCrusher: Looks like "recompile debian kernel module" would be a productive google search.
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13:04<AgentC>HOW TO configure ALSA correctly when sound is stottering ?
13:04<cire>Hi, I am still stuck with dovecot+postfix. Dovecot still tries to store mails as system user, which can't work because I want to store everything under /var/mail%u having usermail:usermail as uid:gid. here is my dovecot -n:
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13:04<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: First try removing pulseaudio if installed.
13:04<cire>2011-03-03 19:00:04 deliver(user): Error: stat(/var/mail/user/tmp) failed: Permission denied (euid=1000(user) egid=1000(user) missing +x perm: /var/mail/user
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13:04<cire>is the error I get
13:05<cire>perms for /var/mail/user is drwx------ 5 usermail usermai
13:05<cire>I just can't understand why it is euid=1000(user) instead of 5000(usermail)
13:07<cire>Does anyone have a hint for me?
13:07<cire>Searched the web for days now
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13:07<cire>found some hints, butr nothing seems to be wrong
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13:08<ByteCrusher>jhutchins_lt: Google was a start, few hours ago.
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13:10<SynrG>cire: well, I guess that's the effective uid/gid of the *process*, not the uid/gid of the file/directory then
13:10<SynrG>as for specifics beyond that, no clue.
13:10<retrospectacus>cire, "deliver" is being run by user. Check your (x)inetd config file if you are using that, or other configs
13:10<ByteCrusher>cire: I guess your permissions need to allow for user and usermail to access the folder.
13:11<AgentC>jhujhiti: pulseaudio is deinstalled. problem is going on. seems like DMA/IRQ probs, but dunno cause it runs before some days ago
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13:12<cahoot>AgentC: remove possible confounding factors like any ~/.asoundrc*
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13:14<SynrG>AgentC: stuttering always, or stuttering running certain applications?
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13:15<SynrG>AgentC: stuttering on all file types, or only particular file types?
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13:15<AgentC>SynrG: always with diffent time-delays and "overdrives"
13:16<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: What release?
13:16<AgentC>AgentC: Im asking for one i have on telefon, he's using squeeze
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13:17<AgentC>SynrG: gring is the one who have that prob
13:17<gring>hi :-)
13:17<gring>my sound is "disturbed" --> ghost voices come out from the loudspeakers...
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13:18<gring>how can I fix it?
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13:19<jhutchins_lt>gring: Is the system properly grounded?
13:19<gring>it is a normal pc
13:19<jhutchins_lt>gring: Is the system properly grounded?
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13:19<gring>and the sound system was working fine until yesterday
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13:20<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: what means "grounded" ? GND?
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13:20<stderr_dk>"Go to your room and stay there"?
13:21<gring>the pc is connected via normal wall jack... so it is grounded as there are 3 wires in it...
13:21<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: i heart the output, definitly prob before the NF-output-plug, so either soundcard or driver-config
13:22<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: but i also dunno how to solve that.
13:22<jhutchins_lt>gring: It might be a good idea to check the outlet and make sure the "ground" lead is actually grounded. Some surge protectors will automatically test that.
13:23<jhutchins_lt>My phone system is NOT properly grounded and picks up radio stations, which used to be heard through the modem speaker when I had one.
13:23<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: GND is all connect ok, sound is stottering like DMA-transfer probs with unwanted noise-factors
13:23<jhutchins_lt>Sound cards can pick up RFI from inside the case. It helps to mute/zero any channels you're not using.
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13:33<cire>When using virtual users in dovecot, Do I have to set up virtual domains also?
13:33<cire>(virtual domains in postfix=
13:33<cire>I just want to have a central maildir for all users, and my users in a passwd-file
13:33<cire>I do not need virtual domains
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13:43<hide>Hello. Any ideas how to balance one IRQ over all (or at least a few) CPUs? I thought something like echo f > /proc/irq/XX/smp_affinity might do the trick but it doesn't.
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13:46<cahoot>you don't think that's best left to the kernel?
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13:49<gring>how to get list of "conflicting IRQs" etc?
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13:49<valdyn>gring: no such thing
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13:50<valdyn>gring: unless you have 15+ years old hardware
13:50<valdyn>gring: you can read /proc/interrupts, but that doesnt show you conflicts at all
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13:53<jhutchins_lt>There are shared irq's...
13:53<jhutchins_lt>Conflict between soundcards and NICs is still not unknown.
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13:56<valdyn>if youre talking about interference, thats something else
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14:06<abcd82>samba usershares support create mask/directory mask and force user options individually per share, not in smb.conf?
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14:07<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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14:08<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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14:11<AgentC>what to do when ALSA/SDL plays KHZ/2 only in use with mplayer ?
14:11<AgentC>so, playback too slow ?
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14:14<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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14:15<bartm>how to specify the network interfaces to listen on for dhcp3-server ? It used to be "dpkg-reconfigure dhcp3-server" but since squeeze this doesn't show the dialog anymore
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14:16<SynrG>AgentC: not sure. don't play HD files on non-HD-capable hardware?
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14:16<valdyn>bartm: try isc-dhcp-server
14:16<retrospectacus>no wonder I see so much spam from zombies in Italy
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14:18<bartm>valdyn, thanks!
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14:22<AgentC>SynrG: how to start ALSA-configuration ?
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14:41<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: You mean like dpkg-reconfigure alsa?
14:42<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: dunno, somewhere was a setup for default device-settings and global config
14:43<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: wasnt?
14:43<gring>dpkg-reconfigure alsa brings error
14:43<gring>saying "alsa not installed"
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14:44<selofi>que tal?
14:44<gring>jhutchins_lt: my sound seems to play only with half speed (ghost voice...)
14:45<AgentC>gring: apt-get dist-upgrade ;=)
14:45<selofi>este xat es en ingles o español?
14:45<gring>so agentc and i tried to fix but it's still not fixed... :-(
14:45<gring>AgentC: :-)
14:45<AgentC>gring: you are on squeeze, so a complete re-upgrade shouldnt take long time.
14:46<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:46<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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14:46<selofi>como ingreso ahi?
14:46<gring>AgentC: agentc: how "complete re-upgrade" ?
14:46<AgentC>gring: apt-get dist-upgrade
14:47<selofi> /join #debian-es
14:47<AgentC>gring: when errorless success, then reboot
14:47<AgentC>selofi: no space in front of / (slash)
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14:48<BrainCOM>_/sbin/mkmind BrainCOM AgentC
14:48<gring>agentc: the system is otherwise ok, only the sound system is broken...
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14:49<AgentC>gring: i know, but dunno where the prob is, on a dist-upgrade you'll get all reinstall with your prv-selection of packages
14:49<AgentC>gring: try, nothing to loose
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14:50<AgentC>gring: i call you in 10-20 minutes again, needs to stabilize my nervous-system
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14:52<selofi>well my english isnt good but im going to try... ;)
14:52<selofi>anyone of you know if debian has software that make like ubuntu that search driverns automatic?
14:52<tarzeau>selofi: what drivers?
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14:52<tarzeau>selofi: binary drivers?
14:52<selofi>for example wifi drivers, tvcard,etc..
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14:53<tarzeau>linux has all drivers already. just the binary-only ones not
14:53<tarzeau>and that's a few you can count on one hand
14:53<AgentC>!tell selofi about v4l
14:53<tarzeau>do a few google queries and you're done
14:54<gring>selofi: yes
14:55<gring>selofi: for example USB-WLAN-stick... will normally autom. installed if support for the device is built in in the system...
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14:59<gring>agentc: I've removed "gnusound" and now (re-)installing it again...
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15:01*AgentC 's nervous system currently doing a aptitude reinstall synaptic-tools ;-) <smile>
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15:02<kva> hello all, someone can help me with apache again? now it's can't open index.php
15:03<AgentC>kva: tell, make paste on your apache.conf
15:03<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
15:04<AgentC>kva: apache2 , right ?
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15:05<kva>sure apache2
15:06<kva>index.html is working, but hello world in php isn't
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15:06<AgentC>paste the index.php too, maybe a php-prog/install error
15:07<selofi>well anyone from here speak spanish? the spanish chanel is ko... :)
15:07<kva>root@zippy:/var/www# cat index.php
15:07<kva> <?php
15:07<kva> Print "Hello, World!";
15:07<kva> ?>
15:07<kva> <?php
15:07<kva> Echo "Hello, World!";
15:07<kva> ?>
15:08<kva>well, I am russian, so spanish won't work :-)
15:08<kva>french is better
15:08<AgentC>wait a moment
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15:09<AgentC>create for test a phptest.php with contents : <?php phpinfo(); ?>
15:09<AgentC>and try this
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15:10<AgentC>kva: if you give me your URL/domain, i can check configuration for you
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15:11<AgentC>kva: phptest.php created ?
15:11<kva>The requested URL /phptest.php was not found on this server.
15:12<kva>yup in /var/www
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15:12<kva>index.html opens as you see
15:13<g4MAC>I just installed debian 6.0 PPC on a g4 MDD macintosh...everything works great except the graphics card is not detected
15:13<g4MAC>it is running in low color mode
15:13<AgentC>kva: you shall create a file phptest.php , type into it : <?php phpinfo(); ?>
15:14<AgentC>kva: that's for getting configuration status
15:14<kva>well, done it...
15:15<AgentC>kva: phptest.php not found
15:15<kva>root@zippy:/var/www# ls -l phptest.php
15:15<kva>-rw-r--r-- 1 www-data www-data 20 Mar 3 21:10 phptest.php
15:15<kva>root@zippy:/var/www# cat phptest.php
15:15<kva><?php phpinfo(); ?>
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15:16<AgentC>The requested URL /phptest.php was not found on this server.
15:16<AgentC>Apache/2.2.16 (Debian) Server at Port 80
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15:16<AgentC>kva: did you use standard-DPKG of squeeze ?
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15:17<AgentC>kva: maybe you have to go to compile apache2 and PHP for your own to get PHP support
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15:18<kva>compile? are you kidding? since when I have to compile when problem is in configs?
15:18<jhutchins_lt>You do have to enable mod-php
15:18<AgentC>see : Apache/2.2.16 (Debian) Server at Port 80
15:18<valdyn>kva: "a2enmod php5"
15:19<AgentC>kva : is there a message inside that there is PHP support ?
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15:19<jhutchins_lt>You could enable & check server-status
15:19<AgentC>kva: to use PHP in apache, you need to recompile it. it's not a big job, i can send you compile-scripts which are used also by me, but that takes a while
15:20<valdyn>kva: however i wonder how you disabled support for .php files ( beyond just them not executing )
15:20<valdyn>AgentC: that is nonsense
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15:20<AgentC>valdyn: in normal apache2 std php is disabled cause there is module which of php which is not present in standard- apache package.
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15:21<valdyn>AgentC: but this is *debian*, not "normal"
15:21<valdyn>AgentC: and debian supports php out of the box, provided you install the php mod
15:21<kva>well, I won't go for gentoo, I prefer binary packages
15:21<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: No, you seriously do NOT need to recompile Debian's Apache to run PHP.
15:22<valdyn>kva: but your problem is *also* that the php file isnt found at all, it should at least show uninterpreted as plain code
15:22<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: maybe on squeeze, on lenny there was no php support with php-support, maybe that changed
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15:22<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: I have been running webservers for more than ten years and have never had to recompile it over four different distributions.
15:22<valdyn>AgentC: please, debian supported php before lenny
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15:22<kva>well, I am sure not on lenny
15:22<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: Been running Debian since etch.
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15:23<valdyn>kva: doesnt matter, debian has supported php forever
15:23<kva>it's squeeze
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15:23<jhutchins_lt>kva: Sorry for the confusing diversion.
15:23<valdyn>judd: versions php5
15:23<kva>well, why I can't open it?
15:23<judd>Package php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; sid: 5.3.3-7; squeeze: 5.3.3-7; wheezy: 5.3.3-7; sid: 5.3.5-1
15:23<valdyn>judd: versions php4
15:23<judd>Sorry, no package named 'php4' was found in i386.
15:23<kva>it's amd64...
15:23<valdyn>kva: how did you modify your configuration?
15:24<kva>valdyn: somewhere it's what comes with debian
15:24<valdyn>kva: did you successfully "a2enmod php5" ?
15:24<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: i had to recompile by --with-php --with-blowfish etc...
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15:25<valdyn>AgentC: instead of just install the php5 mod.. thats not efficient
15:25<jhutchins_lt>,versions libapache2-mod-php5
15:25<judd>Package libapache2-mod-php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; squeeze: 5.3.3-7; wheezy: 5.3.3-7; sid: 5.3.5-1
15:25<kva>root@zippy:/var/www# a2enmod php5
15:25<kva>Module php5 already enabled
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15:26<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: Not if you were running debian you didn't.
15:26<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: You may have done so out of ignorance, but you didn't need to.
15:26<ompaul>AgentC: did you ever think of aptitude cache search foo where you put what you are starting to think about typing make for into the machine first?
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15:27<valdyn>kva: i tend to believe that you are not really accessing the same site that you think you are accessing
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15:27<valdyn>kva: can you "wget http://localhost/phptest.php" ?
15:28<kva>sure I can
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15:28<ompaul>AgentC: typos aside on my part even but you get my drift (apt-cache search or aptitude search ) aptitude search php5 | grep mod and use power to make your life easy
15:28<jhutchins_lt>kva: I missed which directory you put the php file in, and whether you have enabled executable scripts for that directory.
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15:29<kva>404. and file is in /var/www
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15:29<AgentC>no typo! i configed my php with : './configure' '--prefix=/sw/php' '--with-apxs2=/sw/httpd/bin/apxs' '--enable-shared' '--enable-safe-mode' '--with-mysql' '--with-mysqli' '--with-mcrypt' '--with-zlib' '--enable-bcmath' '--enable-calendar' '--with-curl' '--with-mysql-sock' '--enable-sockets' '--with-gettext' '--with-mhash' '--without-sqlite3' '--without-pdo-sqlite' '--with-imap' '--with-imap-ssl' '--with-kerberos'
15:29<retrospectacus>jhutchins_lt> AgentC: You may have done so out of ignorance, but you didn't need to.
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15:29<retrospectacus>those are all apt-gettable modules
15:30<ompaul>AgentC: the point is that the typo was mine
15:30<valdyn>do php files need to be +x ?
15:30<kva>tried it...
15:30<valdyn>i think we saw that his is not, and I do not remember
15:31<kva>well for wget they are all normal
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15:31<kva>wget won't try to execute them
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15:32<jhutchins_lt>kva: So you don't have +exec enabled for www.
15:33<kva>well, shall I try 777?
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15:33<valdyn>kva: no
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15:33<jhutchins_lt>kva: Just a shot in the dark here, but if you have /var/www/cgi-bin you could try putting it there and see if it executes.
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15:33<kva>I don't think so... really
15:34<gring>agentc: maybe the other guy uses apache from the debian archive...
15:34<valdyn>or /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ rather
15:34<kva>php in cgi? you should be kidding
15:34<valdyn>kva: i cant see anythin special in my config and php works.
15:35<kva>and I won't touch /usr/lib for getting working apache
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15:35<jhutchins_lt>kva: is that the right place for /cgi-bin? My webserver started out on RedHat and has lots of legacy stuff.
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15:36<AgentC>there is a apache2-dir/modules/ is neccessary is only provided when recompiling php, to enable that feature to apache2, i had to recompile it too with special make-options. that was on me, even if triid before to just install php5 and apache, also the recompiled version of apache2 do not need as much RAM as the lenny-installed version (saves 200 MB RAM) and that was necc.
15:36<jhutchins_lt>kva: It's just that debian will have exec enabled for that directory by default. Nothing to do with CGI, and PHP counts as CGI. Or you can change the Allow settings for /www.
15:36<valdyn>AgentC: NO, please stop it
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15:36<valdyn>AgentC: this is *all* packaged
15:36<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: No, you didn't have to.
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15:36<valdyn>AgentC: and that ram saving sounds like pure superstition too
15:37<kva>let's try something less dramatic? that's nor redhat neither gentoo
15:37<valdyn>kva: maybe apache is logging this
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15:37<ompaul>AgentC: you are not on debian you took a debian base system and have done everything you can to make it not work as debian - you will not get upgrades from a security perspective - you are now in charge of all breaking software you made - your delta loves you and will consume your time
15:37<valdyn>kva: so... check the logs
15:38<ompaul>AgentC: what of upgrades from debian packages if they break your deps ...
15:38<kva>maybe it's logging, I can check. but I am quite sure to see 404 again
15:38<AgentC>valdyn: stdlenny was in need of 240MB RAM, prob was 384 only avail. after selfcompile it saves 200MB
15:38<ompaul>AgentC: you should have done as we said weeks ago reinstall and use apt-get or else move to a build it all
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15:38<kva>well, it's squeeze
15:39<gring>agentc: a very useful command is: hwinfo
15:39<valdyn>AgentC: my apache is at ~30mb
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15:39<AgentC>ompaul: on my VPS i only can use lenny out of kernel reasons....
15:39<kva>AgentC: you shall try LFS :-)
15:40<kva>on my notebook I can't run sid. also of kernel reasons
15:41<ompaul>kva: ;-)
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15:45<AgentC>kva: "Hello, World! Hello, World!"
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15:48<AgentC>kva: index.php
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15:49<kva>well, nothing done but result shows :-)
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15:52<kva>AgentC: and no compiling needed :-) ty
15:52<gring>what is the probability that my on-board sound system has been damaged?
15:52<Ampere360>_/sbin/voltageadjust AgentC
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15:53<gring>it plays but the sound is slow, "ghosty"...
15:53<AgentC>gring: no, thats config playing in half of required samplefrequency
15:53<AgentC>gring: that is no hardware prob
15:53<gring>AgentC: where to change it? :-)
15:54<AgentC>gring: just record the sound with a tapedeck and playback it with doublespeed ;-) smile
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15:55<AgentC>gring: try to google for ALSA / sound driver playback frequency
15:55<AgentC>gring: for example.
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15:56<AgentC>gring: moment, i take a look
15:56<gring>AgentC: now i've to start the driver manually after each reboot... by issuing "modprobe snd_via82xx" (got this from hwinfo output)...
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15:57<gring>AgentC: but still the ghosty sound...
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15:59<gring>AgentC: previously the sound device was assigned IRQ 22, now it is IRQ 15... dunno if that matters...
15:59<AgentC>gring: first edit /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf and change audio ao to use first alsa,sdl then the rest
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16:00<gring>AgentC: the other devices have "IRQ xx: (yy events)", but this one has "IRQ: 15 (no events)"...
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16:00<AgentC>gring: phonecall ?
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16:06<ibbo>I'm trying to use notify-send with lenny, but when I do "notify-send test test" nothing happens
16:06<ibbo>any ideas?
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16:12<alassiter>I seem to have duplicate groups and users. how do I clean that up?
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16:12<valdyn>alassiter: what do you mean exactly?
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16:13<jhutchins_lt>ibbo: what is "notify-send"?
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16:13<alassiter>well, if I try to add a user to a group, it says I have two groups and need to fix with pwck or grpck
16:14<alassiter>when I run those, it starts listing all of my duplicat group names, almost all of my groups are duplicated
16:14<alassiter>Im just not sure how to safely clean it up
16:14<jhutchins_lt>alassiter: How did you end up with this situation?
16:14<ibbo>jhutchins_lt: it's from the package libnotify-bin for creating notifications within scripts. I have some long running scripts, and I want to get a desktop notification when they complete
16:14<valdyn>alassiter: restore your /etc/passwd and your /etc/group from backup
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16:15<alassiter>jhutchins_lt: I"m not sure when it happened.
16:15<alassiter>valdyn: This is a new server, so I don't think I have any backups yet
16:15<jhutchins_lt>alassiter: Well, you can go through and manually delete the duplicates.
16:16<fnmueller>ibbo: I use xmessage
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16:16<jhutchins_lt>alassiter: In that case you might want to go back to the clean install.
16:16<alassiter>jhutchins_lt: yes, but how can I make sure I don't delete the wrong group. Geez. It's new, but I have doen a lot of configuring
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16:16<valdyn>alassiter: it doesnt really matter if you first delete the wrong group
16:17<alassiter>valdyn: That's what I was wondering, if it mattered if I deleted the wrong group
16:17<valdyn>alassiter: *but* you should not install or remove packages till you verified this
16:17<alassiter>valdyn: ok
16:17<valdyn>alassiter: now when you find files owned by a numeric code instead of a name, then you know theres a file that had its user / group deleted
16:18<ibbo>fnmueller: thanks, not very pretty but it'll work
16:18<alassiter>what is the command to find files by numeric code?
16:18<alassiter>valdyn: that will help me
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16:19<coreGrl>hello, I'm trying to use openvpn with a client that is connected via wifi, I've not so good signal strenght (60%) but I can work correctly with ssh, but with openvpn after a while it hangs.. any hint on how to fix this?
16:19<valdyn>alassiter: you could do this 100% and write regular expressions for this and a script or more scripts but
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16:19<valdyn>alassiter: ls -l /var/log and a quick look gets quite a few users and groups
16:19<valdyn>alassiter: the same is valid for ls -l /home/ to check your real users
16:19<fnmueller>ibbo: well, it's basic and comes with X. At least that probabaly makes it a really easy use case as people who want to have a gui mostly run X
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16:20<valdyn>alassiter: you cant have alot of users or groups, so this should not be hard
16:20<alassiter>valdyn: finding users is not hard, how do I know which number belongs to a given home dir?
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16:21<valdyn>alassiter: ls -ln
16:21<alassiter>valdyn: thx! that's a new one for me
16:21<valdyn>alassiter: maybe your duplicates have the same id values anyway
16:21<alassiter>valdyn: no, they have different numbers
16:22<valdyn>alassiter: theres also a policy what kind of users have to be in which numerical range
16:22<fnmueller>alassiter: try deleting the higher ones first
16:23<valdyn>alassiter: you can find that in /etc/adduser.conf
16:23<alassiter>fnmueller: that's my plan
16:23<alassiter>valdyn: thx again
16:23<ibbo>fnmueller: is there some way of positioning the window, the man page only mentions -center
16:24<fnmueller>ibbo: I don't know. Never tried that
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16:27<kva>sorry for interuppting, but maybe cleaning /etc/passwd and /home could help?
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16:30<alassiter>kva: was that for me? That's my plan to clean it. I was getting advice on how to be careful which group and user dups i delete
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16:34<fnmueller>does rcconf have any effect in debian when using concurrency mode for booting?
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16:34<ompaul>sysv-rc-conf ime
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16:43<ibbo>fnmueller: xmessage -geometry -1+1 "test" puts the message in the top right corner of the screen which is what I was looking for
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16:44<fnmueller>ibbo: great, thanks for the feedback. Maybe on day I need this knowledge
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16:54<mevon>hi someone could help me? I have a black screen with squeeze loading gdm3 on my laptop, thing is if I plug in a VGA screen it boots ok..
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16:59<mevon>anyone can help?
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17:02<mevon>ok so nobody home?
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17:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:05<ompaul>mevon: more info like video cards and the like
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17:08<mevon>ati rage fury on a Dell latitude C600
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17:09<ompaul>mevon: given it's age I am kind of surprised it is still looking
17:09<ompaul>s/looking/working at all
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17:10<mevon>it works when I plug in a VGA screen though
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17:11<ompaul>and does the bios come up on the monitor
17:11<ompaul>the laptop monitor
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17:12<mevon>before the BIOS upgrade, all was shown on the VGA monitor... after, I see all the loading msg in the LCD
17:13<ompaul>you updated bios and blame the o/s sweet
17:13<ompaul>no that is not what you said ...
17:13<mevon>take it easy dude its been 2weeks Im on this
17:13<valdyn>mevon: your bios could be configured to use the lcd first now
17:14<valdyn>mevon: or vice versa
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17:14<mevon>maybe but there are no options in the bios except docking hardware
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17:14<mevon>I'm not on a dockstation
17:15<valdyn>mevon: ok, see what xrandr can do
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17:15<mevon>my point is whats the difference between booting with a monitor on the vga output and booting without
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17:15<mevon>Ill see that
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17:16<valdyn>mevon: the difference is that the monitor is detected and you probably have no idea of telling which display will be primary
17:16<mevon>so it goes in a default mode / autodetection I suppose
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17:18<valdyn>mevon: anyway, see what you can do with xrandr, and whatever the fix there is can be applied to xorg.conf
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17:19<valdyn>mevon: and ideally with the external display plugged off and a remote login
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17:22<mevon>valdyn, ssh?
17:22<valdyn>mevon: sure
17:25<mevon>ok how do you use xrandr?
17:27<valdyn>mevon: i dont use it, read the docs or find someone else.. i cant really help you with it
17:27<ompaul>mevon: have a quick look at this and then run it
17:27<valdyn>mevon: i only have some knowledge about what it can do
17:28<mevon>ok so it says xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
17:28<retrospectacus>simply running xrandr should tell you the connected outputs and available resolutions
17:28<valdyn>mevon: how? are you in via ssh?
17:28<retrospectacus>"man xrandr" for enabling/disabling/positioning/set resolution etc.
17:29<mevon>no in root terminal
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17:29<valdyn>mevon: the root terminal has no X access if you are in X as user
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17:30<ompaul>mevon: type man xrandr it is full of really useful info - think like when you first got that lappy and you had to config it by hand
17:30<mevon>ok so I'll chek what setting it has when the loading does't work
17:31<mevon>I wounder if ssh even works at that point
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17:37<mevon>(EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
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17:37<mevon>in the
17:38<valdyn>mevon: that should probably not be fatal
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17:40<mevon>(II) R128(0): VESA VBE DDC Level 2
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17:41<mevon>(II) R128(0): VESA VBE DDC Level none
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17:44<lukasoft>Hello, I have tried to install drivers for my ati radeon in squeeze using firmware-linux-nonfree but I'm not sure what to do next
17:44<mevon>(EE) R128(0): Idle timed out, resetting engine...
17:44<lukasoft>if someone could help me it would be much appreciated
17:44<mevon>whats that VESA VBE DDC Level?
17:45<devil>lukasoft: all done
17:46<mevon>how do I force Level 2?
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17:47<mevon>valdyn, you know about VESA VBW DDC Level?
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17:49<mevon>it seems the vesa module crashes when the monitor is not plugged in
17:49<lukasoft>devil: how do I know if it has come into effect?
17:50<devil>lukasoft: what do you expect?
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17:50<devil>lukasoft: are you missing something?
17:51<lukasoft>Well I made the assumption that I would be able to run multiple monitors, but I guess I was wrong
17:51<seeS>lukasoft: did you fix the problem where you had both fglrx and free files?
17:52<devil>lukasoft: with radeon, you for sure can run multiple monitora
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17:53<lukasoft>fglrx is now uninstalled. I can see my second monitor, but it only allows me to mirror it. When I try to use both it says "The selected configuration for displays could not be applied"
17:53<lukasoft>which was the same thing that happened before I installed the new drivers
17:54<mugetsu>klk m aide
17:54<mugetsu>je parle francais
17:54<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
17:55<mevon>!help sticky
17:55<mevon>I need the link to post file outputs
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17:57<mevon>tell me the first part, no layout found, how can I fix that?
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17:58<mevon>I guess this is so basic, I'm too noob to figure it out
17:59<devil>mevon: nomodset?
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17:59<mevon>yeah I tried it but didn't do much
18:00<devil>mevon: afaik radeon does not work with KMS disabled anymore
18:00<mevon>even without, GRUB loaded the same: desktop works with a monitor plugged in
18:00<devil>well, its nomodeset. not nomodset afaik
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18:01<lexi>I recently installed debina
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18:01<lexi>and /tmp /home /var and root are all in the same partition
18:02<lexi>I also installed luks
18:02<lexi>are we talking more than an hour to figure out how to do that
18:02<lexi>*how to fix that
18:02<lexi>cause if so I'd rather just reinstall and figure it out some other time
18:03<mevon>devil, do you know how to configure my Layout Section?
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18:03<devil>mevon: this card is very old, i cant say anything on it
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18:03<devil>mevon: i never had an ATI card in 25 years of computing :)
18:04<devil>lexi: fix what?
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18:04<lexi>devil: well I'm told that /var /tmp /home and /root should be on different partitions
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18:05<mevon>ok but xorg works on both.. maybe nvidia configures those settings... now anyone can help?
18:05<lexi>devil: cause the /tmp and /home partitions shouldn't have setuid enabled
18:05<lexi>and the /tmp folder can fill up and doesn't kill the hard drive
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18:06<devil>lexi: for a normal desktop system they are fine on one partition.
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18:06<mevon>is KMS really needed?
18:06<lexi>devil: kk I'll leave it till I next wipe then
18:06<devil>mevon: i think it was backported to 2.6.32, but i use sid, not squeeze.
18:07<kva>mevon, can you try live cd of latest ubuntu?
18:07<mevon>nop cannot boot on usb :P
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18:07<mevon>dont have the cd drive neither
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18:07<mevon>I installed this on PXE
18:07<mevon>harcore shit
18:08<devil>lexi: debian is meant to be installed once and upgeade to the next release, not to be wiped.
18:08<kva>well? if you could stick cd in usb, that all is possible :-)
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18:09<lexi>devil: ok, I need to learn how to secure it so I'm not worried about random bits of malware hitting it
18:09<devil>lexi: secure it? malware?
18:09<mevon>can someone help me with line 17 to 23?
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18:10<lexi>devil: and the way I have confidence in my machine is that I wipe it and then unless it's managed to somehow install itself into the bios then I'm fine
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18:11<devil>mevon: that is perfectly fine and says that you use no xorg.conf but let udev do the job
18:11<lexi>devil: yes... linux is about as secure as your knowledge of security or so I here
18:12<devil>lexi: yes, and if you sit behind a router, you are mostly ok. given you do not run any services like apache or others from that box.
18:12<kva>mevon, all is not normal what did you tried to do? looks like your X not configured at all
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18:12<lexi>devil: how about if you download any files
18:12<devil>kva: lines 17 - 23 are perfectly fine.
18:13<devil>lexi: define files
18:13<lexi>devil: propietary software
18:13<kva>well for me first 173 lines are clear
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18:14<devil>lexi: the download is not gonna hurt
18:14<k-man>i want to use monit to monitor a java program to see if its running, but afaict, the program does not produce a PID file, any ideas how i can monitor it?
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18:14<lexi>heh yes but the running of the files might
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18:14<lexi>particularly if they are run as root but they might not need to run as root to cause havoc
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18:15<devil>lexi: as long as you do not run X itself as root…
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18:16<lexi>devil: lol I'm new but not that new
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18:16<mevon>kva I didn't do nothing actually, just trying to make it work
18:17<devil>gotta run, its late.
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18:17<mevon>my desktop won't load unless a monitor is plugged in
18:17<mevon>Im on a dell latitude C600
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18:18<mevon>how do you configure xorg?
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18:35<mevon>anyone can help me with Xorg configurations?
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18:38<ZykoticK9>mevon, perhaps. but you need to ask a more specific question, or give more details on what you're trying to do. for instance, if it's an ati card... i'm no help at all. good luck.
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18:44<dpkg><troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol
18:45<mevon>ZykoticK9, lol ok look at I need to fix the problem of line 17 to 22
18:45<mevon>I can't find my Xorg.conf at all..
18:46<ZykoticK9>mevon, sorry, my problem is on line 47 = ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility, so i'm no help. best of luck. sorry.
18:47<mevon>ok you don
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18:47<mevon>ZykoticK9, ok you dont know anything about X11?
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18:54<mevon>can someone tell me where X11 gets Xorg.conf.d
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18:56<retrospectacus>mevon: squeeze? I think it's in /usr/share/X11 now
18:56<retrospectacus>I think it will also look in /etc/X11 too
18:57<retrospectacus>and it's xorg.conf.d not Xorg.conf.d
18:57<mevon>yeah got it its a dir
18:57<mevon>full of scripts..
18:57<retrospectacus>most indeededly
18:57<mevon>3 actually
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18:58<retrospectacus>they are configs, not scripts
18:58<mevon>they must be compiled right?
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18:59<mevon>retrospectacus, can you take a look at my xorg.0.log
19:00<mevon>line 17 is whats bugging me
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19:00<mevon>seems like I need to set those and not autodetect
19:01<retrospectacus>I looked at it before; it looks fine to me up to line 464
19:01<retrospectacus>but I don't really know about ATI stuff
19:01<retrospectacus>yes you can set those in the configs
19:01<mevon>I dont think its ATI specific, seen troubles with intel and nvidia too
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19:03<mevon>thing is, when a monitor is plug on my laptop, it works fine, and I get something different on line 215
19:04<mevon>I get Level 2 insteed of None
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19:04<mevon>and the desktop loads fine
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19:05<mevon>because VESA VBE DDC read success
19:05<marko>I got some firewire related errors when trying to install Squeeze 6.0. They disappeared from the screen so I couldn't take any notes...I wonder what they were.
19:05<mevon>not like on line 217
19:06<mevon>I think the vbemodule is at fault here and dosn't recongnise my laptop screen
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19:12<mevon>thanks for nothing... brb
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20:10<Stereo>I remember reading about an utility that showed running programs that used a previous version of a library, which was useful after a security upgrade. Now I can't remember what it was, and can't find googlable terms. Does this ring a bell for anyone?
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20:12<kva>Stereo? ps?
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20:19<kop>Stereo: lsof?
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20:28<Stereo>neither ps nor top nor lsof
20:28<Stereo>(sorry, got distracted irl)
20:28<Stereo>did I just dream this up?
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20:31<geshp>cat /var/run/*.pid :D
20:31<kva>well. try to guess from top
20:32<cthuluh>Stereo: checkrestart
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20:44<careet>Does anyone have a bit of time to help a relative GNU/Linux noob with installing Debian 6 PPC on an old PowerMac G3? Just salvaged the rig, runs OS X fine, but nothing seems to be working as far as the install goes.
20:46<amphi>careet: there is a debian-ppc channel I believe
20:46<careet>Ah, awesome. Thanks.
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20:56<Stereo>cthuluh: THAT'S THE ONE
20:56<Stereo>all hail cthuluh
20:57<dpkg>Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
20:57<Stereo>that was odd
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20:58<Stereo>oh, :e is the cthuluh emoticon?
20:59<cthuluh>looks like. I would have said :E , but... :)
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21:03<Stereo>it's a shame there's no -q flag to checkrestart to be able to cron it after unattended-upgrades
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21:43<trisquel>hey help please!!!!
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21:43<trisquel>anyone here ?
21:43<trisquel>hi micove
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21:45<JeremyS>Does grub2 have support for UDF filesystems?
21:45<JeremyS>there seems to be an insmod udf
21:46<JeremyS>but when I loopback the ISO, I get the README file saying that I need UDF support.
21:47<kop>JeremyS: You might be able to see docs at, iirc, I think grub is hosted there.
21:48<JeremyS>I tried the google, but it seems to turn up only changelogs
21:48<kop>JeremyS: Really, this sort of thing should be covered in the install guide, right?
21:49<JeremyS>Well, no, because it is uncommon, I would think
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21:49<JeremyS>It's not normal to do a loopback UDF boot.
21:50<kop>JeremyS: You could always use syslinux. I think that would work.
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21:51<kop>JeremyS: That's also the sort of thing that the debian-live project would know about.
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21:51<JeremyS>Hmm... the grub manual specifically says it supports UDF
21:52<JeremyS>on the other hand, there is no documentation for the "loopback" option.
21:52<JeremyS>And no mention of how to "force" a certain filesystem.
21:53<JeremyS>My bet is that my UDF filesystem also doubles as an ISO filesystem, with just the TXT file in it.
21:53<kop>JeremyS: I think all the installer images are such hybrid filesystems.
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21:54<mevon>hi I need help with wifi settings
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21:54<kop>JeremyS: But that's only my impression. I don't know for sure.
21:55<mevon>I always have the "wireless is disabled" in Network Manager
21:55<JeremyS>kop: it's actually a proprietary ISO.
21:55<JeremyS>mevon: try sudo iwconfig
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21:55<mevon>but I can ifconfig wlan0 up
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21:56<th>rfkill list
21:56<mevon>JeremyS, iwconfig shows no ip assigned to wlan0
21:56<mevon>whats rfkill
21:56<JeremyS>mevon: wait, are you able to get any network connectivity at all?
21:57<mevon>on eth0 only
21:57<mevon>well Auto eth0
21:58<mevon>Access Point: Not-Associated
21:58<JeremyS>do you want to connect to a public network or a password-protected one?
21:58<mevon>public no key of any sort
21:58<JeremyS>mevon: okay
21:59<JeremyS>From the command line, try "iwconfig wlan0 essid linksys"
21:59<JeremyS>or, your wifi name
21:59<JeremyS>you need to sudo it.
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21:59<JeremyS>*your wifi network name instead of linksys
21:59<mevon>Im on squeeze and the NetworkManager says it is disable
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22:00<JeremyS>I'm trying to see if your wireless is working. We can get the GUI later.
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22:00<mevon>seems to be working now with the ESSID
22:00<JeremyS>do you know the network name you are trying to connect to?
22:01<mevon>yes it is connected now I guess
22:01<mevon>iwconfig shows IEEE 802.11b ESSID:"wlan1"
22:01<JeremyS>Okay, so you are sure it is?
22:02<JeremyS>maybe try "sudo dhclient -v wlan0"
22:02<JeremyS>just so we can be sure.
22:02<JeremyS>The essid there doesn't necessarily mean it is connected.
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22:11<amphi>micove: it will say 'not associated' if it isn't
22:12<kop>JeremyS: You might want to ask in a grub channel. Seems more on-topic there.
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22:41<micove>oh wrong nick
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22:52<arand>I get this crash when launching G-A-J: And it only started happening recently, which leads me to beleive that something whent wrong, but I can't figure out what... would the fault be G-A-J itself? dbus? python?
22:55<arand>hmm, the issue is localised to one user...
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22:56<sney>most likely some profile wonkiness then
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22:56<mick_laptop>hi everyone, what happened to debaday?
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22:57<sney>whoever was doing it stopped. unofficial volunteer projects sometimes just go away
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23:01<arand>sney: Hmm, seems like simply the dtabases of gaj were corrupted, wellthen, reportbug time I guess..
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23:26<blarson_>In icewesel, (squeeze and sid versions) how do I clear cookies? (per site or all)
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23:26<blarson_>dengx: try /quit
23:27<vrkalak>hey, guys
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23:48<henson119>Is there a way to install xorg, without all the xf86-video-* drivers that I don't need?
23:49<acu>guys = why creative commons is not used in software ?
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23:49<henson119>acu: you just broke my brain
23:49<hardbop200>hi! I've screwed up wicd and deleted the init.d script that starts it; is there any way to reinstall a package in such a way that apt will put back all of the default config files?
23:50<henson119>hardbop200: maybe aptitude purge <package>, then re-install?
23:50<acu>henson119, I doubt it - your parents may have more to do with that
23:51<hardbop200>henson119: I'll try it, thank you :)
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23:51<dpkg>debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>.
23:51<henson119>acu: isn't there just some way to mask or mark packages not to install?
23:51<stderr_dk>henson119: Find out what video driver and what input driver you need, then install those two at the same time. That should work.
23:52<henson119>stderr_dk: cool, thanks
23:52<acu>henson119: yes - I guess during installation if you choose expert mode - but I never went meticulosly through that -
23:52<acu>! expert mode
23:53<acu>!expert mode
23:53<acu>no bot :)
23:53<dpkg>an expert is someone who knows at least 1% more about a subject than youself. an "ex"-- someone who *used* to know what he was talking about, and "spurt", a big drip...well, perhaps an ex is someone who lives in Texas
23:53<stderr_dk>Can't remember if you have to turn of installation of recommendations first. I usually do that as soon as possible.
23:53<henson119>stderr_dk: nope, it worked. i'm throwing on just intel (integrated), evdev, and synaptics (laptop)
23:53<henson119>along with xorg of course
23:54<henson119>stderr_dk: that's really neat. Apt is crazy smart
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23:55<stderr_dk>Yeah. Now I just need a way to install gnome without the 16MB gweather package... :-/
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