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---Logopened Fri Mar 04 00:00:03 2011
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00:26<arand>Are the reports generated by reportbug stored anywhere after being submitted, where?
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00:37<mevon>goodeven is there someone to help me with wlan settings on a laptop?
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00:39<seeS>ill try
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00:40<mevon>my wireless isnt working on squeeze manager says "is disabled"
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00:41<seeS>is it defined in /etc/network/interfaces?
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00:42<mevon>seeS no I think its commented
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00:43<mevon>how do I enable it?
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00:44<mevon>says: #NetworkManager#iface eth0 inet dhcp
00:44<mevon>me its on eth1
00:44<mevon>got an wlan0 also
00:44<seeS>wlan0 would be it
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00:45<mevon>eth1 says radio off
00:45<mevon>with iwconfig
00:45<seeS>what has changed or is it a new install?
00:45<mevon>no its its a revived laptop and I installed with both
00:46<mevon>eth1 is my onboard wlan
00:46<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20110303, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.38-rc7-git1, mainline 2.6: 2.6.38-rc7, stable 2.6.37: , stable 2.6.36: , longterm 2.6.35: , stable 2.6.35: , longterm 2.6.34: , stable 2.6.34: , longterm 2.6.32: , stable 2.6.32: , longterm 2.6.27: , stable 2.6.27: , stable 2.4.37:
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00:46<seeS>what is wlan0 then?
00:46<mevon>wlan0 is a pcmcia card
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00:46<seeS>ah ok
00:46<cthuluh>dpkg: tell poppop about self tell
00:46<mevon>or some kind of laptop wifi card
00:46<mevon>I want to try out eth1
00:47<cthuluh>so you don't know whether it's pcmcia or not ?
00:47<seeS>/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf should have managed=true under the [ifupdown] line
00:47<mevon>cthuluh its a laptop card
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00:48<cthuluh>mevon: output of lspci -nn, please
00:48<cthuluh>(on a pastebin)
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00:51<mevon>do I restart the NetworkManager once changed?
00:51<cthuluh>so you have an intel card
00:51<cthuluh>did you follow the instructions at ?
00:52<mevon>and a ADMtek ADM8211 802.11b Wireless Interface
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00:52<mevon>cthuluh yeah installed with the non-free firmware.tar.gz
00:53<cthuluh>you shouldn't install from a tar.gz
00:53<cthuluh>but from the debian package
00:53<mevon>yeah I extracted it sorry for my sloppyness
00:53<mevon>on a fat32 usb stick
00:54<cthuluh>the admtek one should be supported, afaik
00:54<mevon>adm8211 is supposedly already in the kernel...
00:54<mevon>but the manager doesnt manage nothing :(
00:55<cthuluh>so, assuming that both cards are ok
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00:55<cthuluh>(I'd prefer you to paste the output of iwconfig, but...)
00:56<cthuluh>did you follow seeS' recommandation?
00:57<cthuluh>(now I'm waiting for the output of iwconfig)
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00:58<cthuluh>isn't the output truncated?
00:58<cthuluh>anyway, looks fine
00:58<mevon>cthuluh yes
00:58<retrospectacus>mevon: are you sure there's not a physical switch that is switched off?
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00:59<mevon>rettrospectacus nop no switch
00:59<cthuluh>well, iirc nm won't do anything to the interfaces managed in /etc/network/interfaces
00:59<cthuluh>unless you tell it to do so
01:00<mevon>cthuluh I did the changes but do I need to restart the manager?
01:00<cthuluh>I have no idea, I didn't run nm for a long time
01:00<cthuluh>but I guess so...
01:01<seeS>the documents say you dont have to
01:01<seeS>but then they say you might like to
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01:04<mevon>is this one ok?
01:04<mevon>thats interfaces
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01:05<cthuluh>and no, you shouldn't need that
01:06<cthuluh>unless you want nm to drive your eth0 interface
01:06<cthuluh>so either comment both lines speaking about eth0
01:06<cthuluh>or none
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01:06<mevon>how do I add eth1 and wlan1 ?
01:07<cthuluh>you shouldn't
01:07<cthuluh>nm should deal with them automatically
01:07<cthuluh>is your account in the netdev group?
01:07<cthuluh>type 'id' at the command prompt
01:07<mevon>I uktimatly want to be on two seperate networks
01:08<mevon>uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
01:08<cthuluh>not as root, as your user account
01:10<mevon>Ive used the ADM8211 before and it works
01:10<cthuluh>on debian?
01:10<mevon>I had to go with iwconfig and set the essid
01:11<mevon>yes squeeze
01:11<cthuluh>damn nm...
01:11<mevon>netinstall to be precise
01:13<cthuluh>well... try other methods then.
01:15<mevon>ok thank you very much
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01:18<mevon>nop wireless is not enable
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01:20<mevon>someone knows how to enable Wireless Network ?
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01:25<acu>mevon: what linux do you use ?
01:25<mevon>with gdm3
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01:28<cthuluh>mevon: 07:13 < cthuluh> well... try other methods then.
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02:26<test>who use debian in xface ?
02:27<redpriest>who is there
02:27<cthuluh>who am I?
02:27<redpriest>u tell me
02:29<cthuluh>test: not me
02:29<cthuluh>redpriest: I just found your question a bit... weird ;)
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02:30<redpriest>new in here.... still getting to know it
02:31<test>new in here too.
02:31<test>from china beijing .
02:32<test>I don't know how to use this .
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03:04<zare>hello everyone
03:04<zare>i have a question regarding sarge;
03:05<zare>yup sarge
03:05<zare>it's an old server we had to virtualize
03:05<zare>now i'm having problems due to difference in devices
03:05<zare>initrd won't mount my root
03:05<zare>so, without going into details
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03:06<zare>how does initrd see devices? as i can see, there are static files in /dev
03:06<zare>so i can't mount my root, which is sda1
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03:07<zare>eg. i modified linuxrc script to drop me a shell
03:07<zare>so i can work manually inside initrd
03:07<zare>mount and pivot root and continue into init
03:07<zare>however, i can't mount root
03:07<sney>I think that's exactly it, static /dev. especially in sarge's case. if you know the major and minor numbers of the disk you need, you can create the /dev file for it
03:07<zare>it's sata drive, ext3 fs, all modules are loaded.
03:07<weedeater64>I purged iceweasel, and installed FF, everything is in /home/me/external/firefox
03:07<zare>how do i do that?
03:08<sney>well, assuming the initrd environment has mknod: the major and minor for /dev/sda1 on my system are 8,1. and our disk is a block device
03:08<sney>so we do /sbin/mknod /dev/sda1 b 8 1
03:09<sney>er, mknod appears to be in /bin actually
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03:09<zare>ok, mknod gives no error
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03:09<zare>but i still can't mount my sda1
03:09<sney>that usually means it worked, do you see sda1 under /dev
03:09<zare>thank you for your replies, yes i see sda1 but i've seen it before
03:09<zare>sda1,2 and sdb1,2
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03:09<zare>in reality it should be sda1,2,3,4
03:10<zare>how can i find out about disk numbering
03:10<weedeater64>couldn't open links in terminal by right clicking, so I set a custom preffered app in control center (gnome), now it opens FF, but not to the link, it goes to my homepage which is google
03:10<zare>maybe mine is different
03:10<weedeater64>How can I sort this out?
03:11<weedeater64>I see no reference to browser in .bashrc or .profile
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03:11<sney>zare: google around. also check how sarge's kernel (2.6.18? earlier?) handles disks, it might be seeing something else as a sd* and that's what's throwing everything off
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03:12<sney>weedeater64: browser is handled typically by update-alternatives, then all the default links are passed to x-www-browser or gnome-www-browser
03:12<zare>yup, i see the scheme
03:12<zare>it should be 8,1
03:12<zare>8 - SCSI drive, 1 - first partition (16 * 0 + partition (1))
03:13<zare>nope, sarge sees drives as sd(x)
03:13<weedeater64>where is update-alternatives?
03:13<zare>it's all ok there
03:14<weedeater64>Oh, as root?
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03:23<zare>@sney, i think that biggest problem is that procfs doesnt register my partitions inside initrd
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03:24<zare>eg. after mounting proc the /proc/partitions is empty
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03:32<chealer>sney: sarge had 2.6.8 at best :-)
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03:59<mansi>hello friends i am trying to install debian lenny on a disk already having some lvms in the previous centos installation
03:59<mansi>i am unable to remove thos
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04:00<mansi>how can i?
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04:00<marcus>Hmm why Lenny? Squeeze is the current stable
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04:02<vtts>mansi, are you using manual partitioning? any errors?
04:02<mansi>yeah....this is for running our application which we developed on lenny
04:03<mansi><vtts> actually i am in a client site now :)
04:03<mansi><vtts> now i resolved it
04:03<mansi>there was an option on top
04:03<mansi>that was not visible during default page
04:04<mansi>when pressed up arrow, that option came visible
04:04<vtts>ok then
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04:05<vtts>are you sure this application doesn't work on squeeze?
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04:05<vtts>in long term it would be easier to maintain the system
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04:06<mansi>vtts: actually we are in the process of migration and haven't fully tested on squeeze now :)
04:06<vtts>good :)
04:06<mansi>thanks ;)
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04:54<Zhad_>Does anyone know which release of debian started with modprobe ignoring files in modprobe.d without the .conf suffix?
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04:55*Zhad_ has a machine that's still running 5.0.4 that ignored the bonding file that was in there.
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04:56<SynrG>it could've been lenny. dunno. long enough ago that i don't recall
04:56<Zhad_>It worked on 5.0.3 (version that was around when it was originally installed, a few weeks ago).
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04:58<SynrG>it's not obvious to me looking at the changelog ...
04:59*Zhad_ assumed it was only on squeeze
04:59<Zhad_>of course there could be another reason why it didn't load, dmesg doesn't give any hints
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05:01<th>hi, i'm using debian squeeze. i have installed popularity-contest but i got an email to my first user account something about unable to send mail to the server. this is my /etc/popularity-contest.conf content: . what config should i use to submit via http?
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05:11<Zhad_>okay, adding .conf didn't fix anything
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05:12<SynrG>th: see the README in the doc, i guess?
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05:14<th>ok, i'm reading it now
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05:21<th>it works now by adding SUBMITURLS=""
05:21<EmleyMoor>What's the way to download and patch a source package, so as to install patched packages?
05:22<EmleyMoor>Also, how, in aptitude, can I find all "transitional" packages?
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05:29<SynrG>EmleyMoor: make sure there are deb-src lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list
05:29<SynrG>apt-get source packagename
05:29<SynrG>patch the package, ensure all build deps are installed, and use dpkg-buildpackage or debuild to build the package
05:30<SynrG>you can use 'apt-get build-dep packagename' to install build dependencies
05:30<SynrG>you may wish to 'dch -i' to increment the package version# prior to building to differentiate your version from the original.
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05:31<themill>EmleyMoor: transitional packages aren't marked in any special way other than what's in their description -- "aptitude search ~i~dtransitional" will give you a reasonable list. (deborphan or debfoster will try various things to find them too)
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05:34<SynrG>humm, or rather than all that, i should just check dpkg first :)
05:34<SynrG>!package recompile
05:34<dpkg>1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <apt-get source>.
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05:36<themill>(yes, dpkg knows all!)
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05:42*EmleyMoor wishes the patch to fix UK caller ID would be added to asterisk proper
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05:48<mAniAk->running debian 6 with bonded interfaces with vlans and primary slave eth0, when i shut down switch interface going to eth0 it fails over properly to eth1 with GARP packets, but when i turn on the switch interface for eth0 it fails over but it doesnt send out any GARP resulting in a 15sec or so gap in connectivity, any ideas? config pretty much the same as this except vlans and ip addresses
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06:23<Nemoder>after a recent update to testing adobe's flash is crashing my iceweasel with 'GLXBadContext'. and yet it works fine in chromium
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06:31<babilen>Nemoder: The complete error might be of interest. Please start iceweasel from a terminal and paste it to
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06:32<mAniAk->running debian 6 with bonded interfaces with vlans and primary slave eth0, when i shut down switch interface going to eth0 it fails over properly to eth1 with GARP packets, but when i turn on the switch interface for eth0 it fails over but it doesnt send out any GARP resulting in a 15sec or so gap in connectivity, any ideas? config pretty much the same as this except vlans and ip addresses
06:32<babilen>Nemoder: Also, do you have a nvidia card?
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06:32<Nemoder>babilen: yes nvidia
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06:36<babilen>Nemoder: Seems to be an issue a couple of nvidia users run into. You'll see some discussions when you google for it. What is the output of 'glxinfo' ?
06:37<babilen>Nemoder: And the error you pasted is the *complete* output you get from iceweasel?
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06:39<jm_>Nemoder: aren't you using iceweasel 3.6?
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06:39<babilen>Nemoder: I can't really tell you what is wrong there. A couple of users had problems with YT videos in the last days (red tilt, etc) Which version of iceweasel and/or flash (about:plugins) are you using?
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06:40<Nemoder>jm_: 3.5.16 is latest in Testing afaik
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06:40<babilen>Nemoder: Also, does this apply for *all* flash content or just a specific subset (such as yt videos)
06:40<Nemoder>babilen: Shockwave Flash 10.3 d162
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06:41<jm_>Nemoder: ahh a month ago one could simply take it from experimental, perhaps see if that's still the case
06:41<Nemoder>babilen: seems to be pretty much any youtube video
06:41<babilen>jm_: 4.0b12 is in experimental
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06:41<babilen>Nemoder: But not other flash content?
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06:41<Nemoder>not sure what else to test
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06:43<babilen>Nemoder: This seems to be a bug in the way flash and nvidia work together. I don't see this problem on ATI hardware. Does this also happen with gnash? Given that the flash plugin is closed source, there is not much we can do about it. The same applies for the nvidia drivers :-\
06:43<babilen>,versions iceweasel
06:43<judd>Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-4; wheezy: 3.5.16-4; sid: 3.5.17-1; experimental: 4.0~b12-1
06:44<Nemoder>babilen: haven't tried gnash, I juts find it odd that flash works fine in chromium
06:45<babilen>Nemoder: Honestly, I am not sure where this bug comes from. It is probably one of: iceweasel (in this particular version or all of them), nvidia drivers or flash
06:45<jm_>I have nvidia and think I also flash 162 at home and haven't noticed issues, will try again today
06:45<mobildorn>Maybe it has to do something with those new hardware accelaration in Firefox?
06:45<jm_>but I have 3.6 so it wouldn't crash the browser
06:45<jm_>mobildorn: not available in linux
06:45<Nemoder>jm_: yeah it was working fine before so it must have been something that updated in the last week or so
06:45<babilen>jm_: yeah
06:45<jm_>plus that 4.x only
06:46<babilen>Nemoder: You are running wheezy?
06:46<Nemoder>babilen: ya
06:46<babilen>Nemoder: (Apart from this being not a good idea) You could try the version from experimental and check if you can reproduce the error in there.
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06:47<Nemoder>babilen: i may try that, but i need to back up all my configuration first
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06:48<babilen>Nemoder: cp -r ~/.mozilla{,_bkp}
06:48<babilen>Nemoder: or restrict it to ~/.mozilla/firefox/ :)
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06:50<babilen>Nemoder: And the videos (or all of YT) work perfectly in chromium? Or is it just that the browser itself does not crash?
06:50<Nemoder>they all play fine as far as i can tlel
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06:51<babilen>ok, that somehow hints that it is an iceweasel problem
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06:53<babilen>I would try 4.0b12 from experimental and report a bug against iceweasel .... It is easy to change the package the bug applies to or close the bug. Problematic here is that we can't fix bugs in either nvidia or flash though :-\
06:53<kva>well, may be you could try firefox to test?
06:53<Nemoder>babilen: opera seems to work fine too
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06:53<babilen>kva: That really shouldn't make a difference (but one might want to verify that regardless)
06:53<kva>well, if firefox will work it's surely not nvidia nor flash problem
06:53<Nemoder>i dont think they offer amd64 binaries
06:54<kva>they do, I have amd64
06:54<babilen>Nemoder: Could you try iceweasel from experimental and 3.6/4.0b12 from upstream (i.e. directly from mozilla). FF is easily "installed" (just download, unpack and run the binary)
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06:55<babilen>Nemoder: (but try the version from experimental first -- Don't forget to set the default release if you also include sid in your sources.list)
06:55<micha-->hi, i just tried reporting a bug: the mail was rejected because of being malware (rule MBL_144360.UNOFFICIAL). my mail to was rejected for the same reason. according to google false positives from this rule are a known problem. is there a way to get this fixed?
06:56<babilen>Nemoder: After you've done that it would be marvellous if you could file a bug against iceweasel that reports your findings. Your help is much appreciated.
06:56<babilen>micha--: Talk to #debian-bugs
06:56<Nemoder>babilen: ok, looking for the linux installer..
06:56<micha-->babilen, thanks, will do
06:57<babilen>Nemoder: You don't need an "installer" just download the tar.gz, unpack it and run the "firefox" binary in there
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06:57<babilen>Nemoder: Ugh, I gave you the wrong link
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06:58<babilen>Nemoder: (4.0b13)
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06:59*babilen can't find a x86-64 release for 3.6* :-\
06:59<babilen>,versions iceweasel
06:59<judd>Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-4; wheezy: 3.5.16-4; sid: 3.5.17-1; experimental: 4.0~b12-1
07:00<babilen>,versions iceweasel --release amd64
07:00<judd>Sorry, no package named 'iceweasel' was found in i386.
07:00<babilen>,versions iceweasel --arch amd64
07:00<judd>Package iceweasel on amd64 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-4; wheezy: 3.5.16-4; sid: 3.5.17-1; experimental: 4.0~b12-1
07:01<babilen>Nemoder: Well, you could try the 32bit version in addition. But I would start with the versions in Debian (wheezy, sid, experimental) -- There might be a 3.6 floating around on snapshots
07:01<Nemoder>babilen: installed that 4.0, it's working fine so far
07:02<babilen>Nemoder: Which 4.0? The one from experimental or FF from the mozilla ftp?
07:02<Nemoder>from the ftp
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07:02<Nemoder>i ran it as a different user though, let me see if the testing one dies as a different user to be sure
07:02<babilen>Ok, try the one from experimental and please report a bug against iceweasel afterwards :)
07:02<babilen>Nemoder: Yeah, that is an important check
07:03<babilen>Nemoder: Also try 3.5 as the different user
07:03<mAniAk->running debian 6 with bonded interfaces with vlans and primary slave eth0, when i shut down switch interface going to eth0 it fails over properly to eth1 with GARP packets, but when i turn on the switch interface for eth0 it fails over but it doesnt send out any GARP resulting in a 15sec or so gap in connectivity, any ideas? config pretty much the same as this except vlans and ip addresses
07:03<Nemoder>hmmm iceweasel 3.5 working as other user.. so it must be a config or add-on messin with it
07:03*babilen is stopping to enumerate permutations now :)
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07:04<babilen>Nemoder: Wonderful :)
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07:04<babilen>So please don't report a bug ;)
07:04<kva>lol, so now we can abort permutations for sure
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07:06<Nemoder>babilen: aye, sorry about all this apparently it was flashblock crashing it >.>
07:06<Nemoder>I had disabled it first thing but it still crashed, crashes only stopped when I uninstalled it
07:07<kva>well, flashblock isn't really friendly to flash :-)
07:07<Nemoder>most flash isn't friendly to me, I will miss that if i can't get it working
07:08<Nemoder>ahh dangit crashed again even without flashblock
07:08<Nemoder>ok i'm just going to bed and looking into this more tomorrow
07:08<mobildorn>I got rid of all flash issues by removing the flash plugin.
07:08<jm_>Nemoder: noscript can also block it, I use that instead now
07:08<mobildorn>Works for me
07:09<kva>well, adblock is useful for cutting flash ads and works for youtube
07:10<mobildorn>Does anybody know how to build a package with a architecture specific patch? The package is using quilt right now.
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07:11<mobildorn>(with dpatch it would be easy, but I don't want to convert everything)
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07:15<kva>well, why don't build it in /usr/local from sources?
07:16<mobildorn>I want to cross compile it for an embedded device. This target device has no compiler etc. installed.
07:17<mobildorn>But, as I'll have to build packages from the source for i368 too, it would be nice to simple give a target architecture without changing the package's metadata further.
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07:18<mobildorn>Um, the manpage mentions some quilt.pdf -- I'll have a look there.
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07:25<mobildorn>Section 5.8 looks promising. Should be possible to create a series file for each architecture and call quilt setup in debian/rules.
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07:27<babilen>!tell mobildorn -about mentors
07:28<babilen>mobildorn: #emdebian might also have expertise with your use case
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07:30<mobildorn>Could be. I'll try that if my "quilt setup" approach fails.
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07:43<uin302269>Åñòü êòî èç Ðîññèè?
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07:44<kva>? that was intended to be russian?
07:45<uin302269>Ïîêà ïðîñòî èíòåðåñóþñü
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07:47<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
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08:21<SynrG>lihuai: ask your question (in english)
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08:28<lihuai>can anyone speak chinese
08:29<dpkg>i guess cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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08:30<Bleupomme>hello. I'm behind a proxy but wget as well as curl work. There seems to be a global proxy setting that has already been configured. Where can I find it?
08:31<E0x>echo $HTTP_PROXY
08:31<lihuai>it seems difficult
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08:33<Bleupomme>E0x: Yes that was set for the normal user. But what I find curious is that the webserver seems to be also affected
08:33<lihuai>how to speak "他" in chinese
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08:34<imganquan>lihuai: you have spell the word correctly
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08:34<Bleupomme>E0x: It's for instance empty for root but curl still works fine
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08:35<E0x>Bleupomme: maybe the proxy is set in transparent mode
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08:36<Bleupomme>E0x: It is not because I can also access https addresses. Already did a grep and did not find anything
08:36<E0x>a grep to what ?
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08:37<E0x>transparent mode can bet setup to allow https traffic
08:37<E0x>well iptables
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08:37<Bleupomme>A grep with the proxy as search string
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08:39<Bleupomme>E0x: no iptables rules. I am going to ask the firewall guys
08:39<E0x>Bleupomme: in console proxy is set with the variable http_proxy , if is not set there is there 2 posibility #1 a transparent mode proxy , #2 direct internet access via gateway
08:40<Bleupomme>E0x: ok thanks for the info
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08:41<hans>hello, please give me a hint what to install:apt-cacher, apt-cacher-ng or approx ? what is easiest to configure ?
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08:43<mAniAk->running debian 6 with bonded interfaces with vlans and primary slave eth0, when i shut down switch interface going to eth0 it fails over properly to eth1 with GARP packets, but when i turn on the switch interface for eth0 it fails over but it doesnt send out any GARP resulting in a 15sec or so gap in connectivity, any ideas? config pretty much the same as this except vlans and ip addresses
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08:46<mbruins>hi, is there a wat to disable "Places > Recent documents" in the gnome menu? (i installed squeeze)
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08:57<Guest3515>ça m'a l'air compliqué tout cela
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09:01<kop>mAniAk-: 802.3ad? (Just curious, I've no clue about your problem.)
09:02<mAniAk->kop: its an active-backup setup that fails over if the active link goes down
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09:02<kop>mAniAk-: Ah. What's the procotol for that?
09:02<mAniAk->kop: since theyre connected to different switches and theyre not stacked theres no link aggregation protocol going on
09:03<kop>mAniAk-: I see.
09:04<mAniAk->kop: you can setup lacp with round robin to use more links for bandwidth, but only to the same switch or if theyre stacked
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09:05<kop>mAniAk-: Right. So your problem is more related to the vlan-ness of things, right?
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09:05<mAniAk->kop: no, i want to prefer a slave interface over the other, but its not doing proper failover to it when it comes back up
09:06<kop>mAniAk-: Why would GARP be needed for that? I'd have thought that link would be enough.
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09:06<mAniAk->kop: garp is used to announce that the mac has changed place
09:07<mAniAk->kop: like "eth0 to sw1 is down, better tell everyone im on sw2 now"
09:07<kop>mAniAk-: I see. This keeps the configuration away from the switches and centralized on the box.
09:08<kop>mAniAk-: But why can't packets still come back through the standby interface for a while until the arp times out?
09:08<mAniAk->kop: its to provide alternate failover paths, in case of a nic, link or switch failure, and since i cant stack the switches
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09:10<kop>mAniAk-: Paths should not have to be symmeteric.
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09:12<kop>mAniAk-: You only "need" a GARP when the primary comes back up if at the same time the secondary loses connectivity (or does not accept packets sent to the MAC). Right?
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09:14<kop>mAniAk-: Just an idea. What happens if you physically unplug the primary, wait 15 seconds, then plug it back in and unplug the secondary quickly? Do you lose connectivity? Maybe manually bringing the interfaces up and down is not a good test.
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09:16<kop>mAniAk-: (Or maybe manually bringing the interfaces up and down has a bug, but it works under real failure conditions. You could file a bug.)
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09:22<mAniAk->kop: im shutting the switch interface
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09:24<mAniAk->kop: problem is thats in not garping when it switches back to the preferred slave
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09:25<lexi>for some reason I read groping instead of garping
09:25<lexi>which totally alters the meaning of that sentence
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09:28<SynrG>that was a sentence? i totally failed to parse it
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09:50<barti>how can i install flash in debian 6?
09:51<dvs>barti: Add nonfree to your sources.list
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09:53<barti>i did it via the package sources
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09:58<mAniAk->running debian 6 with bonded interfaces with vlans and primary slave eth0, when i shut down switch interface going to eth0 it fails over properly to eth1 with GARP packets, but when i turn on the switch interface for eth0 it fails over but it doesnt send out any GARP resulting in a 15sec or so gap in connectivity, any ideas? config pretty much the same as this except vlans and ip addresses
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09:59<cthuluh>mAniAk-: your message was truncated after ""
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10:10<nutnut>Hello, I am using an old laptop for a project which currently has Etch installed on it. I'd like to get Squeeze on it, however it doesn't support boot from USB and the CD rom drive broke ages ago. Other than tftp is there another way to get a clean install? thanks
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10:12<dvs>nutnut: Looks like a bootstrap for you.
10:12<nutnut>bootstrap bill? ;] hmm, lets see
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10:16<nutnut>so if I place the netinst somewhere on this laptop, then use grub/lilo I can somehow boot and install it that way?
10:16<petemc>just follow the guide
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10:20<nutnut>currently I have Linux paris 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP would I install the amd64 or the i386 version? this laptop is a old pentium 4
10:20<nutnut>thank you
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10:23<mAniAk->running debian 6 with bonded interfaces with vlans and primary slave eth0, when i shut down switch interface going to eth0 it fails over properly to eth1 with GARP packets, but when i turn on the switch interface for eth0 it fails over but it doesnt send out any GARP resulting in a 15sec or so gap in connectivity, any ideas? config pretty much the same as this except vlans and ip addresses
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10:36<tharkun>Gentlemen how do you call an action that is runned every time a program like mutt quits? It have some isues but i don't know what to google for
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10:41<jhutchins_lt>tharkun: You call the program (mutt) with a wrapper script that executes your action when mutt exitss.
10:41<Myon>16:40 <Myon> tharkun: set move=ask-yes
10:42<tharkun>Myon: Thanks
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11:21<evilmaniac>echo # > /sys/class/backlight/mbp_backlight/brightness will change brightness of the backlight
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11:21<evilmaniac>this wont work in X
11:21<evilmaniac>:C wai !!
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11:28<Edy_>can i run wine games with open source radeon driver? pls
11:28-!-mode/#debian [-q *!*@] by FloodServ
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11:30<Edy_>someone know?
11:31<towo`>yes, you can
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11:32<Edy_>i try tu run call of duty demo
11:32<Edy_>and i run game with bad picture and no fonts
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11:33<SynrG>probably a wine issue, not a driver issue
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11:34<dpkg>Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: . The beta Wine packages from are not supported in #debian. #winehq on See also <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries.
11:34<evilmaniac>:3 now its my turn D: !! halp T_T
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11:35<SynrG>evilmaniac: don't know about your particular problem. i know in general, brightness management is a messy business :p
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11:35<evilmaniac>it works if i switch out of X and into console D:
11:35<aquafina>hey is this the same network as freenode?
11:36<evilmaniac>otherwise its being mean ._. and stuborn
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11:38<Edy_>i have build my wine from source
11:38<SynrG>evilmaniac: i just remember something ... vaguely ... maybe at a debconf10 talk ... about brightness being handled differently by different hardware and being a real pain to deal with in X
11:38<SynrG>and that's the sum total of my knowledge of the problem :p
11:39<evilmaniac>well >:C i have taken 3 muffins hostage
11:39<SynrG>(wishing i had paid more attention now ;)
11:39<evilmaniac>I plan on eating 1 muffin every hour
11:39<evilmaniac>until this problem is resolved
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12:11<s4br3>Hi, when I set up postgresql and pgadmin I cannot see the "catalog" with pgAgent. I guess I may have set it up wrong, but does anyone know if there is a Debian specific tutorial for 9.0?
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12:14<tharkun>,versions postgresql
12:14<judd>Package postgresql on i386 -- lenny: 8.3.13-0lenny1; lenny-security: 8.3.14-0lenny1; squeeze: 8.4.5-0squeeze2; sid: 8.4.5-1; lenny-backports: 8.4.5-2~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 8.4.7-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 8.4.7-0squeeze2; sid: 8.4.7-1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.0.1-1~bpo50+1; sid: 9.0.1-1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.0.3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze-backports: 9.0.3-1~bpo60+1; sid:
12:14<judd>9.0.3-1; wheezy: 9.0.3-1
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12:17<s4br3>I saw the versions. I use Sid, so it is all pgsl 9.0.
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12:20<lancelot_of>hi all
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12:21<lancelot_of> i'm still not able to use conky in order to read incoming mail with hotmail.someone last time suggested me to have imap access to hotmail but it seems hotmail doesn't support to solve?please help, on #conky in freenode none seems to be wake... ;)
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12:31<SynrG>lancelot_of: don't use hotmail? gmail offers imap.
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12:33<lancelot_of>SynrG, why do not use hotmail?conky does have pop3 support but it seems to not account is on hotmail and up to now i can't drift all contacts to a new gmail account...
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12:33*SynrG shrugs
12:33<SynrG>just saying what works for me. i neither use conky nor hotmail, so otherwise have no comment.
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12:34<lancelot_of>SynrG, ok thank you anyway
12:35<babilen>lancelot_of: And just to clarify: What would do you actually mean by conky reading your mail?
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12:36<SynrG>you can use any agent at all to actually fetch your mail (e.g. 'fetchmail' or whatever's popular these days)
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12:38<stinkyfax>hey guys. i ran an update form lenny to squeeze and it upgraded mysql from 5.0 to 5.1, but now it appears all my procedures are bugged by known bug in 5.1
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12:38<stinkyfax>how can i downgrade it to 5.0 or upgrade to 5.2 or higher
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12:39<SynrG>babilen: ah, good point (i suppose, having looked over conky now, he means getting a 'new mail count')
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12:40<babilen>SynrG: I assumed that, but I have no idea how to do that. I just download my mail and have conky (or whatever) report the number of new mails in my maildir
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12:40<babilen>SynrG: I wasn't 100% percent sure that "reading mail" wouldn't be something like "show me the subjects of new mails" or whatever :)
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12:41<lancelot_of>babilen, that's what i mean, sorry for my previous bad explanation.i was referring to mail count in server Inbox dir
12:41<morena17>nos cuesta buscar otro xat
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12:41<babilen>!es-social morena17, rubia
12:41<dpkg>morena17, rubia: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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12:42<rubia>quien abla español?????
12:42<babilen>rubia: Stop messaging people in private and please stop it.
12:43<lancelot_of>i must go see you next time
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12:44<SynrG>stinkyfax: downgrading is generally not supported in debian, though you can try. i don't see any 5.2 in debian. if this relates to a specific debian bug# it may help us to know what bug you're talking about
12:44<dpkg>[downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
12:44<sret>anyone in minnesota?
12:44<jhutchins_lt>,versions mysql-server
12:44<judd>Package mysql-server on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; wheezy: 5.1.49-3; sid: 5.1.54-2; sid: 5.1.55-1
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12:47<stinkyfax>SynrG: i get mysql server-core conflict. can i install for example 5.5 taken out of or it's too hard
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12:50<SynrG>no idea.
12:50<jhutchins_lt>!tel stinkyfax about de
12:50<jhutchins_lt>!tell stinkyfax about de
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12:53<DebianUser>hello guys
12:54<DebianUser>can someone please help me?
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12:57<DebianUser>+ban lexi
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12:58<lexi>why did I do?
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12:58<MeglaW>tron sux
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12:59<DebianUser>nothing lexi, just joking
12:59<DebianUser>btw i need help with something
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13:00<lexi>DebianUser: I figured... given the heheheh, if I actually thought you were going to ban me i'd be angry rather than sad..
13:00<lexi>DebianUser: but I was curious as to what brought me to your attention
13:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:01<luser>Quickie - I've completely forgotten my MySQL root password - is there some way I can reset it, or create a new account with equal privilege?
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13:03<luser>I can probably dictionary attack it with about 100000 combinations, but I don't want to have to try that
13:03<gsimmons>dpkg: tell luser -about forgot mysql root password
13:03<luser>I love this channel
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13:12<DebianUser>i want to know why my screensavers are really slow when i have the monitor set to 1680x1050 in DVI Mode @60Hz
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13:12<nutnut>hi guys I am trying to boot from Etch to a new Squeeze net install, I have added it to grub (copied linux to /boot/newinstall/vmlinuz and copied initrd /boot/newinstall/initrd.gz however when I try to boot I get a Error 15 file not found, must be something simple
13:12<DebianUser>can someone help me fix that?
13:12<luser>gsimmons - while typing that sequene I had one last attempt to guess it, and I got it right. Thanks anyway, it's good to know there's an easy method if I fuck up again!
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13:13<luser>DebianUser - are these GL screensavers?
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13:14<lluke>with logwatch I have seen that it's possible to receive email...but if i want to use a remote account I need a mail server?
13:14<DebianUser>luser - yes
13:15<luser>DebianUser - have you run any GL benchmarks that aren't screensavers (there's the historical engine one, I forget what it's called)
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13:16<DebianUser>luser, i have an old ATI Radeon 9600 pro 256MB 8X AGP VGA Card
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13:16<monster>can you help me
13:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
13:17<monster>can you help with backtrack
13:17<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
13:17<nutnut>monster I know a bit about backtrack
13:17<monster>and about navyn os
13:18<DebianUser>nutnut please take this backtrack stuff to the debian off topic channel
13:18<monster>does anyone knows anything about navyn os pls
13:18<nutnut>sure DebianUser no problems
13:18<kop>monster, nutnut: If you want to discuss backtrack/navyn you should go to the channel dedicated to that.
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13:19<DebianUser>i never heard of navyn os
13:19<PnvP>me too
13:19<DebianUser>and monster, please go to the debian off topic channel
13:19<monster>but how
13:20<DebianUser>what irc client are you using monster?
13:21<DebianUser>just type /join #debian-offtopic
13:22<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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13:23<monster>where to dwnl navyn os pls
13:23<DebianUser>monster, i don't have the foggiest idea what navyn od is
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13:24<monster>is a rare linux but i dont know were to dwnload it
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13:24<DebianUser>why dl a rare linux?
13:24<SynrG>and you've been directed politely elsewhere for off-topic chat. you're risking a less-polite response by continuing
13:25<DebianUser>monster, please direct any comments about off-topic subjects to #debian-offtopic
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13:26<nutnut>hi guys I am trying to boot from Etch to a new Squeeze net install, I have added it to grub (copied linux to /boot/newinstall/vmlinuz and copied initrd /boot/newinstall/initrd.gz however when I try to boot I get a Error 15 file not found
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13:27<DebianUser>i still need help with my screensavers
13:27<DebianUser>and opengl
13:27<jhutchins_lt>nutnut: How is grub supposed to know to look in newinstall?
13:27<DebianUser>i guess i'm not important
13:27<nutnut>I followed a guide (well I thought I did) that someone kindly linked me in here
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13:29<DebianUser>i know it sounds like i am repeating myself but, i need help with my OpenGL Speed
13:30<nutnut>jhutchins_lt I addedd the following to menu.lst title omgbbq root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/newinstall/vmlinuz root=/dev/mapper/paris ro initrd /boot/newinstall/initrd.gz
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13:30<SynrG>DebianUser: glxinfo, maybe
13:30<lluke>someone can help me? i want to write a secure rule for iptables that lets me to receive remote emails from logwatcg
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13:31<lluke>the rule iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT is ok for you?
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13:32<monster>navyn os is a rare linux where to download it
13:33<SynrG>!ops monster has been politely directed to #debian-offtopic but seems not to get it.
13:33<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: synrg complains about: monster has been politely directed to #debian-offtopic but seems not to get it.
13:34<SynrG>nutnut: root=/dev/mapper/paris <- whut?
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13:35<SynrG>nutnut: also, please don't paste multiline things here and mangle them. it makes it really quite impossible to follow
13:35<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
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13:36<monster>pls help me
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13:36<jhutchins_lt>monster: No.
13:36<jhutchins_lt>monster: Do you not have access to google?
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13:36<nutnut>SynrG yes from my menu.lst (grub related)
13:36<jhutchins_lt>monster: You've been told, this is a Debian support channel, you are off topic.
13:36<nutnut>I'm typing from another laptop I can't copy and paste
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13:37<nutnut>think I might have come closer to solving my own problem
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13:39<tharkun>Gentlemen i fubared my openldap server. No big deal since it was for learning and testing purposes. I did some bug tracking just to be sure and found this bug #598361 where can i get aditional information. I doubt i triggered the bug. But for the tone of this bug the debian package should be avoided on squeeze.
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13:43<babilen>!dbugs #598361
13:44<dpkg>#598361:N[slapd] slapd: slapcat gives "unclean shutdown detected; attempting recovery" after squeeze upgrade (); Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:51:01 UTC []
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13:50<nutnut>I think I got it to work, I'd like to thank all the guys who helped earlier
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13:50<DebianUser>hey guys i need help finding out something
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13:51<DebianUser>I installed the ati driver installer for linux from ATI and it looks like it went through find, but i need to know what i need to do next
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13:51<DebianUser>version 9.3
13:52<towo`>if you have squeeze, forget it
13:52<DebianUser>i have 6.0.0
13:52<towo`>that's squueze
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13:52<towo`>and if you want 9.0, you don't need this crappy fglrx
13:52<DebianUser>why does it matter if it's squeeze?
13:53<towo`>use the radeon driver
13:53<towo`>it runs fine
13:53<DebianUser>my opengl is so slow
13:53<towo`>because you have not installed firmware-linux-nonfree?
13:53<babilen>DebianUser: And installing the ATI driver directly from ATi is not supported in here. and yes, use radeon
13:54<babilen>!tell DebianUser about ati
13:54<babilen>!tell DebianUser about radeon
13:54<babilen>!tell DebianUser about radeon firmware
13:54<towo`>because you have not installed libgl1-mesa-glx?
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13:54<SynrG>tharkun, babilen: huh. after reading #598361, i'm surprised it's still priority 'normal' :p
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13:55<tharkun>SynrG: Are you raising the priority of that bug?
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13:56<DebianUser>i already have the libgl1-mesa-dri package
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13:56<frogmella>About gdm3, what was supposed to fix the xauthority path obfuscation?
13:56<towo`>DebianUser, and how about firmware-linux-nonfree?
13:57<DebianUser>where is that?
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13:57<frogmella>DebianUser: dri is supposed to be slow but usable with ati.
13:57<DebianUser>in the synaptic pkg man
13:57<towo`>DebianUser, then, what is in /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf?
13:57<DebianUser>hold on...
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13:57<babilen>DebianUser: Read the messages dpkg send you ;:)
13:57<babilen>ugh, two pairs of eyes
13:57<SynrG>tharkun: it was a long read. maybe i missed something ... was upgrading the only action taken that caused data corruption?
13:58<DebianUser>options radeon modeset=1
13:58<DebianUser>is in that file
13:58<SynrG>grave "... or causes data loss"
13:58<encoded>is there anything i can do about that?
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13:59<tharkun>SynrG: thanks for the link lots of things to know about the debian project still
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13:59<SynrG>tharkun: since you're experiencing the bug, and it continues to be a problem after the squeeze release, i suggest you raise the priority yourself and add your comments.
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13:59<DebianUser>towo`, options radeon modeset=1
13:59<DebianUser> is in the /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf file
13:59<SynrG>tharkun: that is, assuming *just* upgrading the package causes the problem
13:59<towo`>DebianUser, i have it seen
13:59<towo`>DebianUser, i#m waiting about your status of firmware-linux-nonfree
14:00<SynrG>tharkun: there was some discussion about a daemon needing to be shutdown when running some maintenance procedure ... it wasn't clear to me if that was a factor or not.
14:00<tharkun>SynrG: I didn't run into the bug. I fubared my slapd all by myself i thought i had run into a bug
14:00<DebianUser>is that found in the synaptic package manager?
14:00<Duber>Hello there
14:00<towo`>DebianUser, dpkg -l | grep firmware-linux
14:00<SynrG>i can't rule out some user error here, so wouldn't feel comfortable about raising the priority myself.
14:00<frogmella>DebianUser: Do you have the non-free component?
14:01<Duber>Anyone else getting his screen turned off when playing youtube videos recently ?
14:01<DebianUser>towo`, i typed that command and nothing came back as an output
14:01<towo`>then install that firmware
14:01<SynrG>Duber: there have been reports of nvidia users with video strangeness using adobe flashplayer with youtube videos recently.
14:02<tharkun>SynrG: Be sure that on this case it was surely a user mistake but on this link it states some interesting information
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14:02<PnvP>DebianUser: sudo aptitude install firmware-linux
14:02<DebianUser>towo`, done.
14:03<DebianUser>i installed the firmware
14:03<Duber>SynrG I use ATI, but I'll check it out
14:03<Duber>SynrG where are those reports may I ask ?
14:03<frogmella>DebianUser: firmware-linux or firmware-linux-nonfree?
14:03<DebianUser>PnvP: i already did that
14:04<DebianUser>frogmella, i did the firmware-linux-nonfree
14:04<PnvP>frogmella: firmware-linux is a metapackage
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14:04<SynrG>tharkun: i'm not a big fan of hardcoded waits to deal with such problems, but yeah ... later comments talk about waiting until a request succeeds. that sounds sane.
14:04<frogmella>DebianUser: That should be enough.
14:04<DebianUser>now what do i do?
14:05<SynrG>tharkun: the lack of response by the debian maintainers on this since november is rather appalling :p
14:05<DebianUser>do i reinstall the radeon driver?
14:05<frogmella>DebianUser: Restart your session?
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14:05<frogmella>DebianUser: Logout.
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14:05<frogmella>DebianUser: Wait.
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14:05<tharkun>SynrG: it seems ubuntu allready corrected the isuse
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14:06<SynrG>tharkun: if you have a URL with a solution to add to that bug report, please feel free.
14:06<SynrG>tharkun: and a link back to the upstream report you just gave is useful as well
14:06<frogmella>DebianUser: You should check your log whether DRI is enabled (eg, /var/log/Xorg.0.log) after the restart.
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14:08<DebianUser>i'm back
14:08<DebianUser>and it's still slow
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14:08<DebianUser>i think i forgot to install the radeon driver from debian
14:08<tharkun>SynrG: well it seems that restarting a service upon boot is far simpler than restoring corrupt data. And well i am not good at reporting bugs or adding comments to them.
14:09<nutnut>someone said you should check your logs to see if DRI is enabled eg /var/log/Xorg.o.log) after the restart
14:09<nutnut>yes thats the one
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14:09<frogmella>DebianUser: The driver from debian won't give you better speed.
14:10<frogmella>DebianUser: It's free, that's the point.
14:10<babilen>If your card is slow it is slow :)
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14:11<DebianUser>frogmella, do you want me to pastebin the contents of that log?
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14:12<bighornram>I'm using current squeeze release on amd64. Synaptic is showing a large list in the "Not Installed (residual config)" category. Is it safe to remove all of these?
14:12<frogmella>DebianUser: glxinfo works too.
14:12<PnvP>DebianUser: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep radeon
14:12<gnome>bighornram, yes.
14:12<bighornram>gnome: thanks
14:13<frogmella>DebianUser: glxinfo |grep "direct rendering"
14:13<gnome>Don't delete the package 'rat-is-rat' though.
14:13<gnome>that is important.
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14:15<DebianUser>frogmella : do you want me th pastebin the contents of glxinfo?
14:15<frogmella>DebianUser: glxinfo |grep "direct rendering"
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14:16<user>hi all
14:16<frogmella>DebianUser: It should say "yes".
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14:16<DebianUser>frogmella :
14:16<user>i would have a question
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14:16<frogmella>DebianUser: Ok, it works.
14:17<Guest3548>can i download debian lenny dvd1 iso file?
14:17<Guest3548>i just cant find it
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14:17<SynrG>tharkun: just email the with your additional comments. simple.
14:17<DebianUser>forgmella : it said "yes"
14:17<SynrG>tharkun: you were quite articulate about it here. :)
14:18<nutnut>Guest3548: Do you want 32bit or 64bit
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14:18<tharkun>SynrG: Thanks for the vote of confidence but my e-mail writing skills are not that good. Having instant feedback is a great helper when you are not a native English speaker.
14:19<DebianUser>frogmella : what do i do to make it faster?
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14:20<frogmella>DebianUser: Just to be sure, pastebin this command:
14:20<frogmella>DebianUser: LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo
14:20<SynrG>tharkun: well, you went to the bother of looking up those two URLs. even just saying: "Here are two links I found while investigating this problem that may be helpful:" and link link
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14:22<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Guest3548 -about lenny iso
14:22<DebianUser>frogmella :
14:22<nutnut>Guest3548: I seem to have the same problem as you if I try to locatt debian-5.0.0-i386-DVD-1.iso I can find regular CD images
14:23<towo`>DebianUser, OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer <== that's your problem
14:23<frogmella>DebianUser: You aren't using the radeon stuff. Pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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14:24<Guest3548>under regular u mean squeeze?
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14:24<nutnut>no I found 5.0.0 cds
14:25<Guest3548>its okay
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14:25<Guest3548>only matters:lenny, but no live
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14:25<Guest3548>i hope what u found isnt live
14:26<nutnut>Guest3548 is this helpful ?
14:26<DebianUser>frogmella :
14:26<jhutchins_lt>tharkun: Your technical english is better than many native speakers.
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14:26<LiohAu>i had a HOW-TO that i used to install a server using lenny, and i tried to follow the same howto with squeeze but i ran into somes problems can i get help here for that ?
14:27<tharkun>jhutchins_lt: Thanks, one more praise to my English and I will endup feeling like Shakespeare.
14:30<PnvP>LiohAu: yes, you can
14:31<LiohAu>well, i the how-to gave me a "firewall" script, but when i use "update-rc.d firewall defaults" i get these errors : "insserv: warning: script 'K01firewall' missing LSB tags and overrides
14:31<LiohAu>insserv: warning: script 'firewall' missing LSB tags and overrides"
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14:32<LiohAu>and i know really know what does it means :x
14:33<Guest3548>yea i found debian-508-i386-DVD-1.iso
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14:33<DebianUser>frogmella : ?
14:33<Guest3548>thanks for help guys
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14:34<DebianUser>towo` : ?
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14:36<\3TATUK>Does anyone know how to deal with the following message I'm getting from the Description of update -> Changes section in Update Manager?: 'Downloading list of changes failed.'
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14:39<LiohAu>i read that it is because of insserv, does anybody know how can i fix this ?
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14:44<frogmella>DebianUser: Pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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14:45<towo`>frogmella, he has no xorg.conf
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14:47<DebianUser>frogmella : i don't have that file
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14:47<DebianUser>towo` : you are right , i don't have that file
14:48<towo`>and you don't need such file
14:48<linith>ai meu Deus
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14:48<devil>linith: do you have a debian related problem?
14:49<linith>and you?
14:49<frogmella>DebianUser: Your startup fails at "584. (II) RADEON(0): GPU accel disabled or not working, using shadowfb for KMS"
14:49<DebianUser>frogmella : how do i fix that?
14:50<frogmella>DebianUser: But your chip is supported (success story:
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14:50<DebianUser>frogmella : i'm not running ubuntu
14:50<DebianUser>although i could if i wanted to
14:51<frogmella>DebianUser: It works in a linux distribution, it works in Debian.
14:51<devil>DebianUser: not worth it, you'd need to change your nickname ;)
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14:51<DebianUser>devil : wtf?
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14:52<devil>DebianUser: using ubuntu, you cant be using DebianUser as nickname.
14:52<devil>just a joke.
14:52<frogmella>DebianUser: When it comes to drivers, I need physical access to the machine.
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14:52<mikelj>I've got a question about a samba share that disappeared to my windows 7 box
14:52<frogmella>DebianUser: I suggest you file a bug report.
14:53<linith>which the parents of you?
14:53<linith>I did not call me
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14:54<frogmella>DebianUser: Use reportbug
14:54<DebianUser>frogmella : i want you to pm me
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14:58<linith>hy my name is stephani i I'm Brazilian
14:58<SLot>linith, /j #debian-br
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15:01<frogmella>DebianUser: Open a terminal, and use reportbug.
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15:01<linith>gotta go
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15:01<JeremyS>How would I move an ext filesystem on an unpartitioned disk?
15:02<JeremyS>Or, alternately, how would I partition a disk while preserving the ext filesystem on it?
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15:03<Lethalman>JeremyS, create a partition a little larger than the original, then use dd, not sure it will work straightforward though, it's a thought :)
15:03<\3TATUK>Does anyone know how to deal with the following message I'm getting from the Description of update -> Changes section in Update Manager?: 'Downloading list of changes failed.'
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15:03<Lethalman>JeremyS, otherwise you have to copy everything with cp -a
15:03<Lethalman>dd should be way faster
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15:04<DebianUser>frogmella : what do i say for the bugreport?
15:04<devil>\3TATUK: you should mention, what program throws this at you
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15:05<frogmella>DebianUser: Copy the irc log.
15:06<frogmella>DebianUser: The Xorg.0.log link...
15:06<JeremyS>Lethalman: so creating a partition table will not overwrite the beginning of the filesystem
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15:06<frogmella>DebianUser: And my suggested diagnosis.
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15:07<Lethalman>JeremyS, I don't know, that's why I wasn't certain ;)
15:07<frogmella>DebianUser: The maintainers may know a better way to help you.
15:07<\3TATUK>devil: update-manager
15:07<sret>just wondering
15:07<sret>how do you sniff anetwork using telnet?
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15:08<DebianUser>frogmella : okay smart@$$ then get me in touch with one of the maintainers please
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15:09<kirbuchi>can anyone help me with the Realtek rtl8192se wireless drivers?
15:10<sret>wrong channel
15:10<devil>\3TATUK: never heard of…
15:10<DebianUser>forget it
15:11<kirbuchi>@sret you can't sniff a network using telnet, u need something like wireshark
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15:11<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8192SE is a PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipset (PCI-IDs 10ec:8173, 10ec:8174). Not supported by the mainline Linux kernel at this time. Vendor driver (rtl8192se) is available from . See also <rtl8191se>, <rtl8192e>.
15:11<babilen>kirbuchi: but let me check .38 first
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15:12<kirbuchi>I know, I already compiled and installed the latest version from realtek site
15:12<gsimmons>babilen: The mac80211-based driver has not yet been submitted.
15:12<kirbuchi>the problem is with the latest drivers my system wont boot unless I boot with irqpoll option
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15:13<babilen>gsimmons: thanks
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15:14<srtu>no response means, bot got no info's ?
15:14<nutnut>thats a good point, how do I check theres drivers for my wifi in Debian?
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15:15<kirbuchi>#babilen any luck with the drivers from the site you gave me in squeeze?
15:17<nutnut>im using a Realtek RTL8187 card is that supported?
15:18<nutnut>I searched the wiki seems to show as supported :)
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15:19<babilen>!tell nutnut about rtl8187
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15:20<nutnut>thank you babilen I looked at
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15:22<kirbuchi>Wiki says you have to install the firmware package prior to the driver, I'll look if that helps
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15:25<\3TATUK>Does anyone know how to deal with the following message I'm getting from the Description of update -> Changes section in Update Manager?: 'Downloading list of changes failed.'
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15:27<babilen>\3TATUK: you might want to run "aptitude update" as root in a terminal and paste the output. (or the complete log from synaptic, but a bunch of people in here never user that tool, so our experience might be limited)
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15:38<gnome>dpkg-reconfigure locales
15:38<gnome>i want french, which one do i select?
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15:39<\3TATUK>fr_FR.UTF-8 UTF-8
15:39<gnome>Why not ISO?
15:40<gnome>kidding ;p
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15:41<gnome>How do I make gnome in french now?
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15:47<gnome>Can i display more than one langauge/
15:47<gnome>Like french and japanese?
15:48<E0x>display yes
15:48<\3TATUK>You might be able to change the language selection through the GDM login screen.
15:48<E0x>you mean like read file in japanese ?
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15:48<gnome>I did
15:49<gnome>but i mean to have for example
15:49<gnome>Systeme (japanese)
15:49<gnome>I agree
15:49<gnome>But i need both
15:49<gnome>it is possible, so ... where in the source/
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15:49<gnome>i agree however
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15:50<gnome>debian does hack gnome doesn't it?
15:50<gnome>i mean patch
15:50<\3TATUK>There are probably mutually contributing developers.
15:51<gnome>Why is it that my browser does not render french correctly
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15:51<gnome>gnome is screwed
15:51<gnome>i mean chrome
15:51<gnome>and firefox
15:51<gnome>gnome's browser does display correct though
15:52<\3TATUK>Yeah, Debian has good system integration.
15:52<\3TATUK>Did you install Firefox manually, or iceweasel?
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15:53<gnome>iceweasel you know
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15:53<gnome>ok chrome sucks
15:53<gnome>iceweasel works
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15:55<valdyn>gnome: you might want to try the "chromium-browser" package
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16:06<nutnut>can grub find a usb hard drive then boot from it (if its not nfts)
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16:09<\3TATUK>#grub on
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16:12<thewanderer1>,info ufoai
16:12<judd>No record of package 'ufoai' in squeeze/i386.
16:13<thewanderer1>what happened to ufo:ai game in Debian?
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16:14<gsimmons>dpkg: dbugs 244582
16:14<dpkg>#244582:W[wnpp] RFP: ufoai -- UFO: Alien Invasion - build your team and stop the aliens (); Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:48:02 UTC []
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16:17<thewanderer1>oh, ok. :P
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16:45<\3TATUK>Does anyone know how to deal with the following message I'm getting from the Description of update -> Changes section in Update Manager?: 'Downloading list of changes failed.'
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16:57<hogren>hello world
16:58<amphi>core dumped
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17:02<hogren>I lost many entries of administration menu (on gnome panel)
17:02<hogren>I have now, only four entries
17:02<hogren>I want to regenerate default menu
17:03<hogren>anybody for help me?
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17:12<\3TATUK>System>Preferences>Main Menu>Revert
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17:38<hogren>thx \3TATUK but I already tested
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18:04<ryanakca>Any suggestions on how to get the bell working? The "beep" command doesn't work, and ^G doesn't give me anything in tty1. Volume's on full blast and the pcspkr module is loaded.
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18:20<ivoscc>hi, has anyone figured out how to get the toshiba laptop special keys detected? xev is not responding at all.
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18:59<thawkth>Hello I was wondering if somebody could help me with an install issue I'm having? I'm having trouble loading the firmware for my network card on a Lenny install. I've tried everything from downloading the exact firmware from the lenny repos and extracting the firmware file from it to downloading the unofficial firmware-included netinstall image
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18:59<thawkth>Any help would be very appreciated ;)
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19:07<jhutchins_lt>ivo_: hotkeys -t toshiba
19:07<jhutchins_lt>tharkun: Have you read the install Guide?
19:07<jhutchins_lt>Er, of course you have.
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19:12<grummund_>Hi, is there a neat way to revert a system to minimal with apt-get purge ?
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19:24<tharkun>grummund_: well you might feel a little inventive and get rid of whatever ?dm you installed and see what happens. Although i feel doing a fresh install might be faster.
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19:27<jimpop>you could try installing apt-rdepends and build a list of what packages you need, then diff that list with the output of "dpkg --list" to build a list of pkgs to purge
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19:32<babilen>grummund_: just purge everyhting that is not priority essential, required or important (\!~prequired \!~pimportant \!~pstandard)
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19:33<babilen>ah, standard is good too, but you might want to add important to that as well :)
19:35<babilen>grummund_: '-s' to simulate first ... you want to tune those search terms to your needs
19:35<grummund_>tharkun: what's a ?dm ?
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19:35<tharkun>? is bash substitution for whatever letter you want :D
19:35<tharkun>gdm, kdm, xdm ...
19:36<grummund_>oh right. but now i don't get your point
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19:36<tharkun>grummund_: Do you have non trivial programs installed on your machine?
19:37<tharkun>i don't know smtp server, dhcp dns slapd or stuff like that?
19:37<grummund_>installed, yes. wanted, no.
19:37<grummund_>ok. nv.
19:37*grummund_ follows babilen's suggestion...
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19:38<grummund_>tharkun: btw, i'm not using X, if that's what you meant.
19:38<\3TATUK>Does anyone know how to deal with the following message I'm getting from the Description of update -> Changes section in Update Manager?: 'Downloading list of changes failed.'
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19:38<tharkun>grummund_: nvm starting fresh might be a better option. But babilen's suggestions is a good one
19:38<tharkun>worth noting down
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19:40<babilen>\3TATUK: As before: Run "aptitude update" in a console and/or give the complete output (from that aptitude run and from synaptic)
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19:43<babilen>looks fine
19:43<grummund_>does a minimal install include 'standard' ?
19:43<babilen>no (it is a task you typically select/install though)
19:44<jimpop>how does debsums know what installed pkg files to check?
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19:44<\3TATUK>babilen: Yeah so I'm not understanding why the 21 available updates all say 'Downloading list of changes failed.' :/
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19:45<grummund_>babilen: aptitude purge '(!~prequired !~pimportant)'
19:45<grummund_>does that look okay?
19:47<babilen>without the paranthesis ... I would through a ~i (only installed) in there too ... you might want to "aptitude search PATTERN" first and verify that its ok. I would recommend to keep standard packages as well
19:49<grummund_>i'm happy to lose standard packages if they would not have been there with debian-minimal
19:50<babilen>they are typically installed
19:51<grummund_>thanks for that
19:52<babilen>no roblem
19:52<grummund_>are you sure the parenthesis no required?
19:52<babilen>problem even
19:53<grummund_>without them it seems to result in "I am aware that this is a very bad idea"
19:53<grummund_>aptitude purge '(!~prequired !~pimportant !~pstandard)'
19:53<grummund_>it is happy with that
19:54<babilen>ok, /me is a bit tired. sorry, for that
19:54<grummund_>no worries
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19:57<grummund_>and ~i means only bother purging the package if it's installed already, right?
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19:59<grummund_>thank you
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21:18<william>alguien de habla hispana
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21:42<m4gnus>Hello everyone
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21:43<poppop>hey m4gnus
21:44<m4gnus>how goes it?
21:44<poppop>Pretty good! Running Debian for my 2nd day now. It's been years since I've used the distro. I like the way it's progressed
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21:46<poppop>m4gnus: yourself?
21:47<m4gnus>oh good deal
21:47<m4gnus>im testing it out myself right out
21:47<m4gnus>loading KDE into the debian install i made in VB
21:47<m4gnus>what did you use up 'til 2 days ago?
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21:48<poppop>m4gnus: i've been jumping between distros a lot. Ran arch a while back, then gentoo, tried the LXDE spin of fedora
21:49<poppop>debian seems to be a good mix of flexability and ease-of-use
21:49<m4gnus>yeah it does. im thinking about switching to debian kde from ubuntu
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21:50<m4gnus>i tried arch out it was cool. slightly sadistic install though, i couldnt get the nvidia driver going
21:50<poppop>m4gnus: yeah, ubuntu's getting a lot of bad press lately. there may be a max exedous with this new version
21:50<m4gnus>maybe, i still like it
21:50<poppop>m4gnus: it's crazy! i had to recompile kernel just for suspend support in arch.
21:51<poppop>m4gnus: well, even with bad press, it's still most popular distro by far :)
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21:51<m4gnus>poppop, yep!
21:51<m4gnus>got my feet wet with it about 4 years ago, so i'm rather partial to it
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21:58<m4gnus>hey poppop, how was LXDE on Fedora?
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22:33<raylu>i'm on testing but for some reason -dev packages aren't showing up when i do "aptitude search libtagc", for example
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22:35<raylu>oh wait.. something screwed up when i ran an update. they're back now
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22:43<Ipsi>I'm not being able to make make an ntfs drive bootable by normal users via fstab
22:44<Ipsi>any ideas? I think I used to solve this by using ntfs configuration tools. But those tools aren't working.
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22:45<kop>Ipsi: Isn't that what the plugdev group is for?
22:46<kop>Ipsi: Oh, wait. What do you mean "bootable by ordinary users"? There are no users at boot time. There's only a giant finger pressing the power on button.
22:46<Ipsi>wrong term
22:46<Ipsi>i meant mountable
22:46<Ipsi>I'm sorry.
22:47<kop>Ipsi: No worries. Did you put the users in plugdev?
22:47<Ipsi><- new. I've never heard of plugdev.
22:49<Ipsi>ugh.. not the terminal :P
22:50<kop>Ipsi: Humm. The bot seems gone.
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22:51<Ipsi>my user seems to be in the plugdev group
22:52<Ipsi>*to have always been
22:53<Ipsi>i.e. I still can't mount my ntfs drives without accessing with root
22:53<kop>Ipsi: Drat. I can't recall where it's documented. You'll have to: zgrep -lr plugdev /usr/share/doc/
22:53<kop>Ipsi: You have "user" (iirc, man fstab) in the line in /etc/fstab?
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23:02<Ipsi>only root can mount /dev/sdb5 on /media/blabla
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23:03<teage>Hi, i am currently using ubuntu but i would like to try debian, what version would give me the latest software available?
23:04<kop>teage: If you're new to debian install stable (squeeze). Then read the overview for how to get newer stuff.
23:04<dpkg>Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See . Ask me about <security>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <squeeze-updates>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>.
23:05<teage>is stable squeeze what im looking at on the site for the ISO's (debian-6.0.0)?
23:05<Ipsi>teage, there are three "versions" and each is potentially less stable while having usually newer releases
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23:05<Ipsi>Use stable until you NEED a package, and then you can put some testing in there.
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23:06<teage>thank you for the much help
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23:07<kop>teage, Ipsi : Mixing releases is sure to break your system.
23:08<Ipsi>hm, I guess I was misinformed. I was told that a while ago when I was unhappy with stable. (Lenny)
23:08<kop>Ipsi: You can upgrade to testing at any point, but you can't mix. If you want newer stuff see the solutions on the wiki page referenced.
23:09<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>.
23:09<kop>Ipsi: Some find testing stable enough and there are reports that it is more stable than many other distros, but I want my box to work when I want to do work and not spend all my time playing around fixing things.
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23:10<Ipsi>Well, I found stable Lenny to be very limited in terms of the software i was looking for
23:10<Ipsi>So i went with testing
23:10<Ipsi>(I reinstalled in the end)
23:11<Ipsi>lack of hardware acceleration in video players, etc
23:12<kop>Ipsi: You probably just needed a newer kernel from backports.
23:12<kop>Ipsi: Or maybe not. It all depends on your hardware.
23:12<Ipsi>My hardware wasn't at issue. The problem was that there was no software that had Hardware acceleration implemented at the time
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23:13<kop>Ipsi: In X?
23:14<kop>Ipsi: X does not backport, so yes. You needed testing.
23:14<Ipsi>I haven't checked current repos, so I don't know if that changed. The last time it was for sure in the multimedia repositories
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23:15<kop>Ipsi: Some hate the multimedia repos. See the wiki page for an alternative approach.
23:15<Ipsi>I will, after I sort this ntfs problem
23:16<Ipsi>it wouldn't be an issue if it was with external drives, but it's all my internal drives hehe
23:16<Ipsi>and there are quite a few.
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23:40<Tenacious>Hey yall
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23:47<Newbumz>Good <insert time of day>
23:48<Newbumz>So any wiz bang l33t awesome tech support types online?
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23:50<Newbumz>I have debian squeeze installed now and just can't seem to get Rift running under it. It runs fine under lenny with Nvidia drivers. My g-card is a Nvidia 7600 GTX, is neuveau for sucking ass in the wine department?
23:53<Newbumz>Or should I roll back to lenny or turf it all and install windows?
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23:59<missiletoe>i'm trying to reinstall a .deb through synaptic and it keeps saying that the program is not authenticated... this is from the main stable repository which should be using the squeeze key, why am i getting the error?
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