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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-03-05

---Logopened Sat Mar 05 00:00:08 2011
00:00<kop>Newbumz: What's your pciid shown by lspci -nn?
00:00<kop>missiletoe: You've not "updated"?
00:01<missiletoe>kop, would you like me to pastebin it?
00:02<missiletoe>oops, sorry
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00:04<missiletoe>guess that was it
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00:07<Newbumz>I am not really looking to bitch about neuveau I am just trying to figure out if I want to turf it for the old depricated nvidia driver. I love the squeeze install and neuveau works awesome for just watching movies... But I have yet to get it to run a game since squeeze went alpha.
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00:13<nebja2>so, i think i screwed up my /etc/network/interfaces file... when i boot and get dhcp info my /etc/resolv.conf says "#Generated by NetworkManager" and that's it, i can manually fix resolv.conf but it's reset each time i reboot
00:13<nebja2>am i right or did i just screw something else up that i don't know?
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00:20<wolf>hi,can someone give a suggestion on irc client for me ?
00:20<wolf>the xchat-irc (debian wheezy) sucks
00:20<Newbumz>xchat
00:20<nebja2>what are you looking for?
00:20<nebja2>xchat works
00:20<wolf>the irc client ,
00:21<nebja2>what are you looking for in an irc client??
00:21<wolf>but xchat-irc here cannot display all the text
00:21<nebja2>what do you mean?
00:21<wolf>can you look at the screenshot here ?
00:21<wolf>wait a moment
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00:22<wolf>http://hi.csdn.net/attachment/201103/5/404701_1299295262kKzK.png
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00:23<wolf>the last line "...work without a ker" , it should be "...work without a kernel", but the xchat cannot show the word "kernel" wholly
00:24<nebja2>i can see your "...work without a kernel" fine and am using xchat.... don't know why you had the problem
00:24<wolf>can you see the screenshot ?
00:26<wolf>it occurred often , so I cannot understand others' meaning ('cause it lost some words)
00:26<nebja2>can you repeat the error?
00:26<kva>error is clear, but it's really strange
00:26<wolf>ok , nebjia2
00:27<kva>,version xchat
00:27<nebja2>kva, what does the error appear to be?
00:27<wolf>when I use xchat-irc, it cannot show the complete words (in the right place , like the screenshot i give)
00:27<kva>well, cuts words in a middle of a phrase
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00:28<nebja2>kva, ok, thought you knew the cause
00:28<wolf>kva: xchat 2.8.8
00:28<wolf>nebjia2: kva's right
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00:28<kva>looks like at 80 letters
00:28<Arrowmaster>xchat works fine here
00:29<wolf>so I have to look for a new irc client ,
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00:29<wolf>Arrowmaster: mine sucks
00:29<kva>well, pidgin, chatzilla are your friends
00:29<magnifico>vente_pa_ka
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00:30<wolf>ok , I'll have a try, thanks all . but I really wonder why xchat sucks .
00:30<kva>but xchat needs to be dealed with, file a bug
00:30<wolf>it happend in my Squeeze ,wheezy box
00:31<wolf>kva: yes, but you guys' seem ok ,
00:31<kva>it should be fine, so well, try another irc client while they find where the reason is
00:31<kva>I am using chatzilla right now
00:31<nebja2>what's the most secure irc client?
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00:32<kva>anything quite really :-)
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00:32<nebja2>good to know
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00:32<nebja2>...so, i think i screwed up my /etc/network/interfaces file... when i boot and get dhcp info my /etc/resolv.conf says "#Generated by NetworkManager" and that's it, i can manually fix resolv.conf but it's reset each time i reboot
00:32<nebja2>am i right or did i just screw something else up that i don't know?
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00:33<kva>sure you can fix it manually, paste it to pastebin or in my private
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00:34<nebja2>paste the /etc/network/interfaces?
00:34<kva>yup
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00:35<hdb2>hi - is it possible to scan for available wireless networks using just cli tools with an intel card? iwlist tells me it has no information about networks... :/
00:35<wolf>hey,all,
00:36<wolf>it seems the fonts that matter .
00:36<kva>hdb iwlist scan
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00:37<nebja2>http://pastebin.com/2aghuKE6
00:37<nebja2>good to know worlf
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00:37<nebja2>xchat survives another day
00:38<wolf>nebja2: i change the font , it's ok now
00:38<kva>nebja2: you configured eth0 on allow-hotplug and eth1 on static. it's intended?
00:39<nebja2>yeah, it was intended, perhaps if eth1 isn't plugged in it'll throw the network manager off?
00:39<kva>if you're using only eth1 then you don't need eth0 at all
00:40<nebja2>i'm often only using eth0
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00:41<kva>well, you get connection from eth0 if you can configure it on static too then
00:41<kva>you get resolv.conf from eth0 and connection from eth1
00:42<nebja2>if i boot with eth0 plugged but eth1 not what should happen?
00:42<kva>automatic dns from where you're plugged in
00:43<nebja2>ok, that's not happening
00:43<kva>what dhclient says?
00:43<nebja2>the router's dns is set so that's not the problem... dhclient says nothing... checking
00:44<nebja2>yup, nothing
00:44<kva>sudo dhclient -V
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00:44<kva>-v, sorry
00:45<kva>well, your eth1 dns is set to 127.0.0.1 you have dns server installed and configured?
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00:46<kva>what's your upstream dns is tuned on?
00:49<nebja2>http://pastebin.com/CyPWu0Pq
00:50<nebja2>my upstream dns is configured properly and works
00:50<kva>check lines 27 and 29 of that file
00:52<kva>you're getting dhcpoffer from eth0
00:52<kva>you're lucky because eth1 alone should't be working
00:52<nebja2>http://pastebin.com/TdCBbF0G
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00:54<kva>27 and 29 where added by you?
00:54<nebja2>nope
00:54<d-b>sysv-rc-conf network-managerl off
00:54<kva>you can use eth1 right now?
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00:55<nebja2>well, i edited them in the post to emphasize the line numbers... on pastebin it does it for you
00:55<nebja2>no, eth1 is not plugged in, hasn't been this boot
00:55<kva>ty, so errors were added by you
00:55<nebja2>not manually or deliberately
00:56<kva>strange, so why dhclient misses semicolons?
00:57<nebja2>i'll say, try to remove lines 26, 27 and see if that helps
00:58<kva>well, that's won't help, this is temporary file
00:58<kva>try to comment eth1 and restart network
00:58<nebja2>dhclient -v says "line 27: semicolon expected" and then "line 27: unterminated lease declaration" after removing lines 26, 27 from pastebin version
00:59<kva>sorry, that's strange for me, seems that I can't help
00:59<nebja2>comment in /etc/network/interfaces, right?
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01:00<nebja2>i'll try it, tinker on my own for a bit, thanks for the direction kva
01:00<kva>yes, if it's not plugged in that's not needed
01:00<nebja2>ok bye
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01:02<kva>well, that's not that difficult as a guy who set up bonding of eth0 and eth1 and vpn over it and wondering why he's losing arp packets :-)
01:02<kva>only correct response was "why you did that?"
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01:09<wolf>kva:does the Monospace font family has a kind of font called monospace ?
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01:11<vyler>I'm having issues with squeeze. This happens with netinst and businesscard. When I am at the Install menu and I select install or graphical install I get some green text at the top of the screen saying "Undefined video something 314, video mode number 314 or 319 not sure and then press space to continue. I never had this problem with the lenny install. And if I can't go about installing this
01:11<vyler>way, does anybody have a url with instructions for upgrading via aptitude?
01:11<kva>wolf: try bitstream fonts if you can. monospace is monospace, you can find it in almost all families of fonts
01:12<kva>vyler. you could go with apt too simple
01:12<sney>vyler: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze will give you the upgrade instructions in short form. essentially, upgrade kernel and udev, then upgrade everything else
01:13<kva>sney, I am not sure, I have some problems with new kernels too
01:13<sney>? in order to upgrade from lenny to squeeze, you *need* 2.6.32 running
01:14<dominick>kva, one other way of doing it is upgrade the kernel and from backports, then do a normal upgrade. that'll go smoothly.
01:14<kva>2.6.32 is fine, but newer isn't working
01:14<dominick>kernel and backports.
01:14<dominick>kernel and udev... sorry.
01:14<kva>apt-get update && and apt-get dist upgrade?
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01:15<sney>yeah, the backport kernel works just as well
01:15<sney>running newer kernels than 2.6.32 right now is a hairy situation as they all seem to be unstable one way or the other
01:15<kva>try both, you shall be safe
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01:16<kva>sure, but upgrading to squeeze should be fine
01:16<nebja2>is there a problem with this dhcp lease? http://pastebin.com/n2dSLEpM
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01:17<kva>nebja2, looks fine :-) and if you're here it works
01:17<hesham>hello i have tried all wireless driver for my b4312 card and nothing is working
01:18<hesham>the STA driver was working fine on ubuntu
01:18<wolf>kva:i get more confused now , I should review somthing about fonts now , see you for a moment .
01:18<hesham>the b43 was detecting networks but can't connect to anything
01:18<hesham>on debian i can't get any driver to detect wireless networks
01:19<hesham>anyone has any advice?
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01:19<sney>hesham: you probably need the firmware package
01:19<dominick>hesham: have you tried the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package in squeeze contrib?
01:20<hesham>yup
01:20<dominick>!bcm4312
01:20<dpkg>Broadcom BCM4312-based wireless LAN devices are supported by the <b43> driver. The BCM4312 low-power PHY (PCI-ID 14e4:4315) is supported as of Linux 2.6.32, install device firmware-b43-lpphy-installer (contrib) in Squeeze. Lenny users, ask me about <bdo kernel lenny> and <b43-lpphy manual> to install a Linux 2.6.32 kernel and firmware respectively. For BCM4312 LP-PHY support in earlier kernels, ask me about <wl>.
01:20<hesham>not detecting wireless networks too
01:20<nebja2>funny thing: my resolv.conf is still empty but dhclient -v doesn't complain
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01:20<dominick>hesham: is your wlan interface managed or unmanaged?
01:21<dominick>hesham: can you post the output of "cat /etc/network/interfaces"
01:21<hesham># The loopback network interface
01:21<hesham>auto lo
01:21<hesham>iface lo inet loopback
01:21<hesham># The primary network interface
01:21<hesham>allow-hotplug eth0
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01:22<hesham>sorry i am new here
01:22<dominick>!paste
01:22<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
01:22<nebja2>apparently i don't need anything in /etc/resolv.conf for dns to work
01:23<hesham>i tried to install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer but still not working
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01:25<hesham>is there anything else i should try?
01:26<dominick>hesham: wifi howto
01:26<dominick>!wifi howto
01:26<dpkg>The Linux Wireless LAN HOWTO is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux . Additional resources and links to related information/websites is also available. See also http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi and http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse . Related: <wireless-tools>, <adhoc>, <hostapd>, <rfkill>.
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01:29<hesham>iwlist still showing no networks
01:30<hesham>i tried all this
01:30<hesham>what could be the problem? as it was working fine on ubuntu
01:31<hesham>i even tried the ubuntu broadcom sta package
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01:37<oak_>what's a good editor to use for developing source code (has line numbers and syntax highlighting and maybe other useful features?)
01:38<sney>genie is alright
01:38<sney>geany*
01:38<oak_>thanks
01:39<oak_>also, what browsers are available that are more secure than firefox?
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01:39<oak_>i figure lynx is probably more secure but i don't know for sure and besides i like the GUI browsers better
01:40<sney>don't know about security, but epiphany is likely the least exploited since its use isn't very widespread
01:40<sney>that or midori
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01:41<oak_>is midori in the repository?
01:45<sney>yes
01:45<oak_>(couldn't find it... trying others)
01:45<sney>judd: versions midori
01:45<judd>Package midori on i386 -- squeeze: 0.2.4-3; wheezy: 0.3.0-1.3; sid: 0.3.2-0.1
01:46<sney>so, you must be using lenny
01:46<oak_>nope, squeezey
01:47<sney>check your spelling then. :P (and your sources.list - if you installed with no network connection, it may be wonky)
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01:49<oak_>founded it
01:49<fixl>i can install zend and drupal next to each other ... can somebody give me a hint why that is? :(
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01:50<sney>doesn't drupal recommend having zend installed?
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01:50<sney>I seem to remember that from the drupal docs, though it's been about 6mo since I last looked at it
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01:53<fixl>hm ... i added the zend repos to my sources.list. but after installing zend-server-ce, installing drupal6 will remove zend :/
01:53<fixl>i'm using debian testing btw
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01:54<sney>careful adding 3rd party repos, they create weird behaviour
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03:05<beefcube>is there a way to easily toggle which os grub chooses prior to reboot?
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03:07<cahoot>beefcube: looked into /etc/default/grub?
03:08<beefcube>cahoot: no, i'm just too lazy to fiddle with the technical details, i'd rather just be spoonfed a tool or command
03:08<cahoot>beefcube: look into /etc/default/grub
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03:09<cahoot> IIRC GRUB_DEFAULT is the one
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03:10<beefcube>alright
03:10<cahoot>also ... read the top line
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03:28<fata1>priv
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03:31<digifor>Using squeeze with fluxbox. Installed cairo-dock. How do I get rid of black rectangle?
03:39<fata1>russkie est? :D
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03:47<timon>digifor: paint over it
03:48<timon>digifor: or describe the situation in more detail
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03:50<ml|>http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110304
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03:53<digifor>timon, seems similar to this guy. http://glx-dock.org/bg_topic.php?t=483
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03:54<tiz2>how the heck do i move selected pixels in gimp?
03:56<tiz2>the "move" button doesn't readily move pixels, just moves the damn select box
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04:08<LiohAu>hi, does anybody know the difference between jail.local and jail.conf ?
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04:19<gsimmons>LiohAu: Is this with respect to Fail2Ban?
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04:20<LiohAu>yes sry ^^
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04:22<gsimmons>LiohAu: The former overrides jail declarations defined in the latter. Your settings should be placed in jail.local.
04:23<LiohAu>ok, then my second question, when i'm doing "aptitude install fail2ban" on squeeze i don't have any /etc/fail2ban/jail.local, (i had one with debian lenny), should i create it?
04:23<gsimmons>Yes.
04:23<LiohAu>now i only have a jail.conf
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04:24<LiohAu>ok, lot of packages are different, is it because i'm using another version of debian? or is it the package which changed between my last install and today ?
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04:33<gsimmons>LiohAu: TTBOMK, Debian's fail2ban package does not supply a /etc/fail2ban/jail.local configuration file (WRT Etch, Lenny and Squeeze). The default SSH jail is defined in jail.conf, which you can override locally.
04:33<LiohAu>ok but it changed
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04:34<root786>need some help on backtrack, can anyone help
04:34<LiohAu>i followed the same howto 1year ago, and i didn't have to create the file jail.local, it was already there :)
04:34<rigved>root786: this is the channel for Debian, not Backtrac
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04:37<LiohAu>another question, i had a old script .sh, when i used update-rc on it, i had the error about LSB Tags, i added a correct header in the script, and now i get : "update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing" is it normal ?
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05:19<valdyn>LiohAu: yes
05:19<valdyn>LiohAu: except that you dont need to use update-rc.d
05:20<valdyn>LiohAu: "insserv" will take care of everything
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05:24<lancelot_of>babilen, good morning, sorry for yesterday but i had to leave...so...my troubles using conky to count new mails in hotmail Inbox...
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05:28<jfaassen>Is this the right chan for questions about using debian-live /w xen ?
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05:29<jfaassen>it builds, it boots, but can't get a console: xenconsole: Could not read tty from store: No such file or directory
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06:12<LiohAu>valdyn: what do you mean by "insserv" will take care of everything ?
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06:12<tl>hello
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06:13<LiohAu>i just have to put a script in /etc/init.d/ and i don't have to use update-rc.d ?
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06:14<valdyn>LiohAu: thats right
06:14<valdyn>LiohAu: use just "insserv" instead
06:14<tl>ia have install bind9, all is ok, but i have thise in syslogs : named[2238]: built with '--prefix=/usr' '--build=i486-linux-gnu' '--host=i486-linux-gnu' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--sysconfdir=/etc/bind' '--localstatedir=/var/run/bind' '--enable-threads' '--enable-largefile' '--with-libtool' '--enable-shared' '--enable-static' '--with-openssl=/usr' '--with-gssapi=/usr' '--with-gnu-ld' '--with-dlz-postgres=no' '--wit
06:14<LiohAu>oh it's a directory crawler which read the file headers ?
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06:15<valdyn>!insserv
06:15<dpkg>insserv is a dependency-based <init> system that is compatible with <sysvinit> and is the default from squeeze onwards. To use insserv, your init scripts need to have tags at the top of them that describe what they depend on, to permit the correct ordering of the init scripts; ask me about <missing lsb tags>.
06:15<tl>is it normal? if i dont want thise an mys logs, what's the way?
06:15<valdyn>tl: why do you care?
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06:15<LiohAu>ok, that's why i hadn't the problem on Lenny
06:16<tl>i want just to understand
06:16<tl>i m under lenny
06:16<valdyn>tl: bind logs this, its not a problem
06:16<tl>i havn t thise an etch
06:16<tl>ok but is there any way to remove thise?
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06:34<hypnotech>I have a quick question about Vbox. I have to use a downgraded kernel because my video card isn't supported and I can't get it to work in straight debian 5.0. I don't mind using an old kernel, but I can't get virtualbox working when I'm under a kernel other than 3.6.32-5
06:34<hypnotech>Can I downgrade, remove the newer kernel and get Vbox to work?
06:35<hypnotech>The reason it's a problem is that without header fuckery, I can't make Vbox work.
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06:40<hypnotech>So, I've this pos video card - ATI Technologies Inc RS482 [Radeon Xpress 200M]
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06:45<hypnotech>All I want is to use vbox. The 3.6.32-5 kernel won't boot - I get a blank screen. So, can't I just set up virual box to work with an earlier kernel?
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06:47<hypnotech>Whatever c:\format -mbr *.* && install Debian.
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07:29<grummund_># /etc/init.d/bind9 stop
07:29<grummund_>Stopping domain name service...: bind9rndc: connection to remote host closed
07:29<grummund_>Hi, can anyone help me with the above error?
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07:37<kva>you're sure that's an error?
07:38<kva>you're stopping bind and it closes remote connection
07:38<grummund_>yes. the error is from rndc
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07:39<grummund_>/etc/init.d/bind9 uses rndc to stop or reload, and it is rndc that fails
07:39<ompaul>grummund_: and rndc is what exactly? http://oreilly.com/linux/command-directory/cmd.csp?path=r/rndc
07:40<ompaul>when bind stops how does the box know who it is?
07:40<grummund_>rndc: connection to remote host closed
07:40<grummund_>This may indicate that
07:40<grummund_>* the remote server is using an older version of the command protocol,
07:40<grummund_>* this host is not authorized to connect,
07:41<grummund_>* the clocks are not synchronized, or
07:41<grummund_>* the key is invalid.
07:41<ompaul>and can you now ssh in?
07:41<grummund_>i do not get this error on any other server when stopping or reloading bind
07:41<grummund_>ssh is not reliant on bind (or rndc)
07:42<ompaul>I asked can you get into the same box now - the fact that I indicated ssh as a connection method might indicate that I am thinking about ssh config saying you know what ... I don't know you any more because bind shut down and I know nothing any more
07:43<grummund_>ompaul: i'm logged in via ssh, and execute rndc locally
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07:44<grummund_>i think it's some problem with the rndc key, but i don't know how that works
07:44<ompaul>and what does the /etc/init.d/bind9 restart does
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07:46<grummund_>on a good box, it does this :-
07:46<grummund_># /etc/init.d/bind9 restart
07:46<grummund_>Stopping domain name service...: bind9 waiting for pid 16124 to die.
07:46<grummund_>Starting domain name service...: bind9.
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07:47<grummund_>on the problem box i get the same error as above, but bind does then start.
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07:47<grummund_>eg.
07:47<grummund_># /etc/init.d/bind9 restart
07:47<grummund_>Stopping domain name service...: bind9rndc: connection to remote host closed
07:48<grummund_>etc...
07:50<ompaul>please paste the result of this apt-cache policy bind9 into paste.debian.net along with uname -a and lsb_release -a
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07:51<grummund_>named[17441]: 05-Mar-2011 12:51:37.487 general: error: invalid command from 127.0.0.1#45505: bad auth
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07:52<grummund_>found that in the log... suggests some sort of problem with the key
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07:52<ompaul>ok play it your way and don't answer the questions asked I'm off
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07:54<grummund_>whatever... (i was in fact doing just what you asked)
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08:10<grummund_>http://paste.debian.net/109631/
08:10<Seppoz>hello, whats the best way to add a script to autostart in emdebian?
08:11<Seppoz>/debian
08:11<kva>seppoz: what exactly do you want to do?
08:12<Seppoz>i need to start a programm in the last runlevel
08:12<Seppoz>or better execute a script
08:12<Seppoz>do i have to make a script for rc.d?
08:12<Seppoz>and use update-rc.d?
08:13<Seppoz>and how do i do that by hand?
08:13<kva>well, it's may be not the best way, but I would try to add command launching the script into one of already running scrips in /etc/init.d
08:13<Seppoz>ahh yea
08:13<Seppoz>thats an idea
08:13<Seppoz>thans
08:13<Seppoz>*thanks
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08:14<kva>well, I would like to know a better way but that should work
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08:21<vizor>hi guys, I'm trying to install slapd (Open LDAP server) but have error like this (see pastebin) http://pastebin.com/5igj48EB
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08:21<vizor>does anyone know how to fix this?
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08:22<kva>oups. try installing older version maybe?
08:22<kva>purge new package first
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08:25<vizor>kva: same version in testing and stable
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08:28<hugo>hello
08:28<hugo>i have a problem
08:29<hugo>can anyone hellp me
08:29<hugo>??
08:29<hugo>squezze 6.0
08:29<hugo>what is that
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08:31<Juhis>newest debian versio
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08:48<mekt>for weekly build images, jigdo-lite prompts with "The jigdo file also refers to the Non-US section of the Debian archive." Is this still relevant?
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09:02<Ela>Hello all :) Anybody here ? I need a help as for LVM - wanna install debian 6. Thankx.
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09:11<Ela>I have such question: reading this tutorial - http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/02/16/manual-lvm-configuration-guide-for-debian-6/3/ where is mentioned LVM but o whole disk. I have 2 primary partitions, which are each 50 GB and are free to use. And then I have a extended with more logical partitions inside. I need to know, how to start if I wanna have one boot
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09:11<nutnut>Hello, I have installed Squeeze onto my old laptop, when I try to bring up wlan0 I get the following error "Error for wireless request "Set Frequency" (8B04) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid Arguement. The Wifi access point is on channel 13, I only seem to be able to set between 1 and 11. Can anyone please assist?
09:12<Ela>as in the turorial and what to do with those 2 PM partiotions so I would like to have yet LVM + encrypted;
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09:14<Ela>AFAIK and i am told, other partions or moun points will be created in the LVM (like /var, /tmp, ,/etc and /home which I wanna have separated too) but I need to know, when I choose LVM for those 2 PM, if the LVM manager (in Debian 6) won't erasure the data in the extended & those logical partitions :-(
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09:14<Ela>Can anybody help, pls?? :O Thanks in advance...
09:15<kva>ela: maybe try live cd first?
09:16<Ela>kva: hello and if having live cd, what to do ? Because I have a live cd where is a gparted so I could play with gparted but I need to know what exactly to do ;)
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09:17<kva>well, that's an original question. you can try gparted from live cd too but how to save your data I have no idea
09:17<DrSampler>wifi channel 13 is not allowed at all countries
09:17<Ela>kva: do u know what I mean what I need to know ? I could create a primary, called / so it'd be use (erasing those 2 PM) and creating 1 primary where I'd like to have set the LVM...
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09:17<Ela>But I ma just afraid if the LVM (in Debian 6 install) won't hurt my extended with some logical partitions...
09:17<evilmaniac>D: a bunch of evil mean looking icons have surrounded my mouse cursor
09:17<evilmaniac>and are threatening to pounce and eat it :c
09:17<evilmaniac>what do I do ?
09:18<DrSampler>you need to change channels regional settings
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09:18<nutnut>DrSampler how do you do that?
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09:19<DrSampler>sorry, i have no experince with wifi on debian
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09:19<DrSampler>only at windows
09:20<mihkel>Hi. These messages ( http://paste.debian.net/109635/ ) keep appearing in my kern.log when my computer is supposed to be idle.
09:20<DrSampler>try to find wi-fi driver settings, and if it says USA somewhere, set it to Europe or Japan
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09:20<DrSampler>this will unlock channels beyond ch.11
09:20<mihkel>But the fans are spinning like wild and log files keep growing
09:20<Ela>kva: now I have a 2 primary p. and 1 extended. 2 Primary p. could be used for Debian so I'd delete them, created 1 primary called / and this would be / for Debian 6. The other partition which I'd create would be primary too which I wanna use for LVM. But the question is: doesn't LVM process install won't hurt my extended partition on the disk ??
09:20<mihkel>debian sid
09:21<nutnut>DrSampler I think I found something, need to nip out thanks for taking time to reply
09:21<mihkel>should I report a bug?
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09:21<DrSampler>kk
09:21<Ela>Can someone help, pls ? :O
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09:24<Ela>Hello, can someone help, pls ? :O
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09:24<kva>Ela, try livecd and gparted
09:24<Ela>kva: ok, I can try it. But can u answer my q., pls ?
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09:25<kva>well, if you can delete 2 partitions then I can't understand your problem really
09:26<ompaul>Ela: you have to tell lvm to live in which partition you want it - your question is next to impossible to parse. It will live in the partition you put it in.
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09:26<Ela>kva: now I have a 2 primary partition and 1 extended. 2 Primary p. could be used for Debian so I'd delete them, creating 1 primary p., called / and this would be / for Debian 6. The other partition which I'd create would be primary too which I wanna use for LVM. But the question is: doesn't LVM process install won't hurt my extended partition on the disk ?
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09:27<Ela>Because I have 1 extended partition with some logical in it with data. So I don't want to lose the extended...
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09:29<mekt>evilmaniac: killall oneko
09:29<kva>Ela, try to keep it straight please. your question is really strange
09:29<Ela>Why strange :O
09:29<ompaul>mekt: maybe remove windows ;-)
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09:31<Ela>A picture (of my current disk): | primary p. | primary p. | {Extended [logical p. 1 | logical p. 2 | etc.
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09:32<Ela>I can play with those first 2 primary partitions by gparted like delete them and create new 2 primary p., 1 just large only 500 MB and called / and 2nd primary would be used for LVM when installing Debian.
09:32<Ela>I just don't have touched/demaged the extended ...
09:33<Ela>So I ask if the LVM install process (due I have never created it in Debian 6 installing process) won't hurt the rest -> the extended with those logical in it...?
09:33<kva>why you want lvm?
09:34<Ela>I want use encrypting+LVM...
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09:35<Ela>I have downloaded and brned the 1st 4.4 GB iso - Debian 6...
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09:36<Ela>Is this - my situation clear what I'd like to ? ;)
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09:37<kva>surely not. first try to booting from livecd and check if you can mount your encrypted partition
09:37<mekt>i think he does not have one yet.
09:37<mekt>but I'm not sure.
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09:38<kva>well, two primary, one logical and some of them is encrypted as I understood
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09:39<Ela>kva: I have no encrypted partition. I just would like to erase those fisrt 2 partions (as showed on the picture above) and would like to have Debian 6 Squeeze instaled but with encrypting+LVM. I just don't want to lose data in my extended/logical partiitions ;)
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09:41<Ela>A picture (of my current disk): | primary p. | primary p. | {Extended [logical p. 1 | logical p. 2 | etc. And I'd like to have installed Debian 6 but with not loosing data in my extended/logical partitions. Just those fist 2 primary partitions can be deleted or whatever...
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09:42<Ela>A picture (of my current disk): [ primary p.1 ] [ primary p. 2] { Extended [logical p. 1] [ logical p. 2 ] etc.
09:43<Ela>And would like to have: [ / ] <LVM> { Extended [logicals... and in the LVM I'd arrange it then to have yet /var, /tmp, /boot
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09:45<Ela>The install process of Debian 6 said, that the changes would be written and cannot be undone. But I just selected a guided suggestion but I stopped the install due I wasn't sure if my extended p. won't be erased... :-|
09:45<kva>you'll need a swap too at least
09:45<Ela>Is it clear what I'd like to ? :)
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09:46<Ela>I have swap in the extended due it was used in other distros so I could point to that, right ?
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09:46<mrdesk>I just installed debian 6.0 from netinstall via usb. xserver isn't working: when the log on screen should come up, i get black background with a mouse and an unblinking cursor. i checked the x log and it said something about can't find a shared object for the nouveaux driver, my card is a geforce 3, im guessing this error is the problem, it was the only error in the x log.
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09:47<mrdesk>i did copy the x error into a file if you want it exact
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09:48<DrSampler>if nouveau driver is not working, try vesa or nv
09:48<mrdesk>how do you tell the xserver what driver to use, just dig around in xorg.conf?
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09:48<DrSampler>usually, yes
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09:49<Ela>kva: I have watched this tutorial: http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/02/16/manual-lvm-configuration-guide-for-debian-6/ But there is mentioned scenariou for one whole empty disk. I can play just with my first 2 primary partitions but I need to have my extended untouched, except that I can point the swap to existing swap in the extended ...
09:49<DrSampler>if you dont have non-free (nvidia.com) drivers installed, edit xorg.conf and set driver to vesa or nv
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09:49<mrdesk>ok. and after I change the config, what is the command to restart xserver? is it like /etc/init.d/xsomething restart?
09:49<mrdesk>or would i restart gdm
09:50<DrSampler>i usually do full reboot
09:50<DrSampler>just in case
09:50<mrdesk>true might as well
09:50<mrdesk>thanks
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09:51<kva>mrdesk: you can add nvidia drivers and do full restart too
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09:53<mrdesk>i went to go change xorg.conf but ... there is none. hah. i noticed ubuntu does this too, why is that?
09:53<Ela>kva: can I with gparted to erausre those 2 primary p. and then after reboot and started Debian installer just point installer to set installer all to the new free space ?? Will my extended remain untouched ?
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09:54<kva>Ela: I am not sure, maybe someone else could help?
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09:55<DrSampler>if you dont even have xorg.conf file, probably you have very basic debian install, and it is long story
09:55<DrSampler>first thing to do, create xorg.conf
09:56<Ela>okay, I'll try ask another way: Iif I point debian installer to one concrete primary partition andould point it that there I want to have LVM, will rest of the disk untouched ?
09:56<mrdesk>yeah im pretty sure my install is basic, but i did ask it to install a graphical environment.
09:56<mrdesk>and i noticed in modern ubuntu installations there IS no xorg.conf. i was thinking it might have picked up that habbit from debian. does debian typically generate xorg.conf on installation?
09:57<DrSampler>check out http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers it may help
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09:57<DrSampler>first thing to do, you must create valid xorg.conf
09:57<mrdesk>oh and my system has both gdm and gdm3 ... what is the deal there?
09:57<ansgar>mrdesk: No, it does not create a xorg.conf by default as it is usually not necessary to do so.
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09:58<DrSampler>if x server cant find xorg.conf it rolls back to autodetect, and usually use VESA driver
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10:00<mrdesk>ansgar: what is the new way it works? i've been wondering how it works without a config file
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10:00<ansgar>mrdesk: autoconfiguration.
10:00<mrdesk>er oh i missed your last message Dr.
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10:01<mrdesk>that's kind of interesting that after all these years of a static config file autoconfig is now prefered.
10:01<DrSampler>about multiple display manager, well, i delete all except gdm3
10:01<mrdesk>what is gdm3 compared to gdm? is it the newest iteration
10:02<DrSampler>no real point to have installed more than one
10:02<ompaul>Ela: why do you assume that it would be touch a partition you are pointing at. It will if you do something wrong, it won't if you don't but you would be better to do this. |primary swap| primary LVM or ext | primary LVM or ext | and don't touch your extended .. why if you do something stupid later trying to find swap will be easy personal disk layout is (not in work that is) |8Gigs dead zone| swap | working partition | now when i do something stupid
10:02<ompaul>because of the hour of the clock and tiredness cat /dev/zero > sdZZZ whatever won't do damage if I CTRL C fast enough :) || however all this comes with one caveat, which is, formatting is the best way to break your computer, because if you make a mistake you 93.7% won't recover. :) The thinking is real Disaster Recovery, you just had a disaster and you think you are going to get lucky. (btw LVM in the setup you describe is totally crazy but hey what would I
10:02<ompaul>know)
10:02<mrdesk>yeah i think i got a second one because I did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
10:02<DrSampler>good
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10:04<DrSampler>i am, being unlucky owner of GeForce FX5200, pass thru all these nvidia configuration crap like month ago
10:04<DrSampler>it take almost day, but now it works perfectly
10:05<mrdesk>oh lord
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10:05<Ela>ompaul: so shall i just erase those 2 primary so a new free space will be created and then run the debian installer and let it use that free space for installation?
10:05<mrdesk>im not even going to go for hardware acceleration
10:05<mrdesk>i just want a desktop :D
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10:05<DrSampler>that's easy
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10:06<DrSampler>real nightmare starts when you want 3D)
10:06<ompaul>Ela: erase them yes, however to do what you want you need to do a manual partition don't you think!
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10:07<mrdesk>i wish the new nvidia driver could have been named something else
10:07<mrdesk>I can't spell it.
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10:09<mrdesk>(ee) NV:kernel modesetting driver in use, refusing to load
10:09<mrdesk>(ee) no devices detected.
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10:09<mrdesk>:(
10:09<Ela>ompaul: ok, but the debian installer wonæt let me create in the new free space the points like it is in this tutorial on pictures ? http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/02/16/manual-lvm-configuration-guide-for-debian-6/ Just that tutorial is about scenariou where all the disk is empty...
10:09<towo`>mrdesk, rmmod nouveau
10:09<mrdesk>oh ok
10:10<ompaul>Ela: why would I look at a guide, I have done LVM ext2 ext3 ext4 - let the installer do it and custom ....
10:10<towo`>mrdesk, echo blacklist nouveau >> /etc/modprobe.d/nv-blacklist.conf
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10:11<ompaul>Ela: at the end of the day do whatever you want, for someone who already has two partitions on a drive you sure ask a lot of questions
10:12<mrdesk>its saying module nouveau is use
10:12<Ela>ompaul: i mentioned in that tutorial due you could imagine what I mean and laso as an answer to yours - "however to do what you want you need to do a manual partition don't you think!"...
10:12<towo`>mrdesk, because you have running x?
10:12<mrdesk>ah i dont think i am
10:13<mrdesk>i did ps -aux and couldn't find it in there
10:13<towo`>mrdesk, do echo blacklist nouveau >> /etc/modprobe.d/nv-blacklist.conf
10:13<towo`>mmrreboot
10:13<towo`>grr
10:13<mrdesk>hehe
10:13<mrdesk>brb
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10:16<mrdesk>thanks guys im on lxde now.
10:17<mrdesk>so heres a fun question: anybody on here run kde3 on debian 6?
10:17<ompaul>mrdesk: you'd be mad to do so
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10:18<mrdesk>i have a hard time living without konqueror and amarok. the old versions.
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10:19<mrdesk>ive been using a funky ubuntu deriv that has kde3.5 and im just sick of the glitches... though i kinda think its becasue its kde3
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10:20<DrSampler>i am on gdm3, and get used to gnome already
10:20<DrSampler>grats on starting x server, btw
10:20<ompaul>DrSampler: that wouldn't be KDE 4 then ;-)
10:21<ompaul>mrdesk: KDE4 as currently in 6 is not glitchy ime
10:21<mrdesk>thanks Doc
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10:21<mrdesk>ah kde4
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10:21<mrdesk>i havent used it for a long time but last time i checked i still hated it
10:22<mrdesk>im installing it now to see if the amarok from kde4 is usable yet
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10:22<mrdesk>a couple years ago i installed ubuntu with kde4 and they decided to rewrite everything for the new QT and as a result all the stuff I liked was gone
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10:23<mrdesk>the kde people i mean. i could no longer use amarok to sync with my ipod and creative player. i was like, wait what?
10:23<Takfin>hello eveybody
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10:23<ompaul>I'll grant you the initial kde 4 was not great - but hey and I don't have an ipod or creative don't care about that
10:24<ompaul>just right click on the K and choose classic menu and smile
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10:24<Takfin>someone can tell witch version server is good and stable in part od of debian squeeze? thank you
10:24<mrdesk>i can't say if its great or not because for others it might be, but i really like konqueror ... you can do a norton commander style layout and built in ftp, sshfs, samba etc etc
10:24<Ela>.
10:25<mrdesk>and i grew to like the package manager but i think that was a kubuntu package not kde3
10:25<ompaul>Takfin: what?
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10:25<mrdesk>my problem is im picky
10:25<ompaul>mrdesk: debian != kubuntu / ubuntu
10:25<mrdesk>sure i know that
10:26<mrdesk>thats why im using debian now :)
10:26<ompaul>mrdesk: get with the program or use LFS and make it how you want it
10:26<mrdesk>i want my cake and to eat it too :D
10:27<mrdesk>you know it didnt occur to me to give LFS a try
10:27<mrdesk>i might still
10:27<mrdesk>for now I'm gonna see what debian has to offer
10:27<Takfin>ompaul_>hello, i am asking for distrib is stable in part of debian squeeze,
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10:27<linith>hy
10:28<ompaul>mrdesk: I'm sure some networks will teach you how to do philosophy so you can deal with your cake issues (all cakes are lies) but this is #debian so unless you want to yabber in #debian-ot can we keep it to support ;-)
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10:28<ompaul>Takfin: Squeeze or Debian 6.0 is the current stable release. Your question is hard to understand.
10:28<mrdesk>lol sure no problem. thanks again for the help folks
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10:29<ompaul>mrdesk: #debian-offtopic that is
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10:31<phani>hy
10:31<mrdesk>anyone aware of a modern file manager that does split window norton commander style? and I don't mean mc :)
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10:33<ompaul>mrdesk: apt-cache search file | grep manager
10:33<ompaul>go find a screen shot for them and then test to see if you like
10:34<DrSampler>i've seen several nc style managers, like ndn
10:34<DrSampler>but mc is better
10:35<DrSampler>and you can compile FAR from a sources, ofc)
10:36<ompaul>compiling things on Debian is like bringing your gf\wife's apple pie to your mother and saying ... I like this better
10:36<phani>ham
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10:36<cahoot>mrdesk: what defines 'modern' wrt filemanager?
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10:36<mrdesk>ah well i guess konqueror would be outdated ...
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10:37<mrdesk>anything thats supported and graphical that can do split pane like mc
10:37<DrSampler>ompaul: far manager is not on free license, and not available in *.deb
10:37<DrSampler>only sources
10:37<cahoot>graphical==pictures?
10:38<ompaul>DrSampler: then you are stuck with the problems of upstream if they stop supporting you - delta's from debian make me uncomfortable
10:38<mrdesk>i mean gui
10:39<mrdesk>mc is great when your working on the cli but sometimes drag and drop is nice
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10:41<abcd82>Double Commander is not bad http://doublecmd.sourceforge.net/
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10:43<mrdesk>double commander looks interesting
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10:44<bb>..
10:44<abcd82>+ dont need to compile already in deb
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10:45<mrdesk>its available for doze too, interesing
10:46<mrdesk>abcd82: thanks man this is a cool file manager
10:47<mrdesk>its got tabs. might replace konqueror for me
10:47<abcd82>mrdesk: np
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10:50<mrdesk>anybody favor one gui email client over another?
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10:51<Duber>mrdesk I like icedove/thunderbird
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10:53<mrdesk>yeah thats the one I normally use just because its cross platform
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10:53<Duber>kmail is nice if you use kde but I couldn't get to work properly any tray notifier
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10:54<Duber>at the moment I use icedove with minimize-to-tray and lightining(calendar) plugins
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10:54<Duber>*lightning
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10:58<abcd82>question about evolution, when run first time after reboot it asks to enter keyring password, but after closing it it don't asks anymore, how to set up to prompt keyring password every time when evolution is opened?
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11:02<Takfin><ompaul>i am sorry, my english is not well, witvh distrib can you advise me for server in part of debian squeeze?
11:03<ompaul>Takfin: just use Debian Squeeze
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11:03<Takfin><ompaul>what do you think about freebsd?
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11:04<ompaul>Takfin: I've used it, I use Debian now, so there you go.
11:04<Takfin><ompaul>ok, thanks for answer
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11:04<mrdesk>has anybody played around with the debian w/ freebsd kernel?
11:05<knightstalker>oO
11:05<ompaul>!anybody
11:05<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
11:05<ompaul>!anyone
11:05<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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11:05*ompaul curses lag
11:05<cahoot>!tell ompaul about tell
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11:09<dbe>anyone knows how to fix this error with mplayer? libx264 mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libx264.so.104: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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11:13<mrdesk>whats the difference between using aptitude and apt-get? i can see how aptitude is handy but does it matter which you use just to simply install a say vlc ?
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11:13<sney>!why aptitude
11:13<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful.
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11:14<mrdesk>why thanks sney
11:14<mrdesk>thats sums it up
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11:14<sney>indeed
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11:28<scotd>what is the difference between "linux-headers-2.6.x-*" and "linux-headers-2.6.x-all-*" ?
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11:29<scotd>the plain version is much bigger than the "all" version
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11:31<ta2>Hi, I am in the process of formatting a RAID5 array of 4x2TB drives. It's been stuck on "Creating ext4 file system"... stage for about an hour, is this normal?
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11:33<scotd>ta2, what is the status of your array? is it software raid?
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11:33<ta2>yup software RAID
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11:34<scotd>if you do "cat /proc/mdstat" does it say the array is online?
11:35<ta2>I'm installing the OS so I don't have a terminal
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11:35<ta2>and there is no cancel button
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11:36<sney>scotd: -all is a metapackage that depends on all of the relevant header packages for your arch
11:37<scotd>ta2: can you press alt-f2 to get to a terminal during the install process?
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11:37<scotd>sney: so -all would include the plain version, once installed?
11:38<gato>hola
11:38<ta2>nope it's completely unresponsive to keyboard, but the mouse is still working
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11:38<sney>yeah, it probably pulls whan you call the plain version, and -common
11:38<scotd>ta2: oh, your doing a graphical install... sorry i don't know about how to get to a terminal from there
11:38<sney>actually, I just checked
11:38<gato>alguien en español
11:38<sney>it pulls all the vserver, xen, etc ones as well
11:38<sney>!es
11:38<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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11:41<scotd>ta2: just a guess, how about "shift-alt-f2"?
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11:47<priyesh_>i've got a headless debian server. how do I get it to output video when I plug an LCD display into it
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11:47<scotd>sney: oh! i was looking at unstable which doesn't pull in vserver, xen, etc... now it all makes sense :-)
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11:48<scotd>do you have a keyboard attached?
11:48<priyesh>yes
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11:49<priyesh>scotd: yes
11:50<scotd>priyesh: so you press spacebar and no video is coming out of vga port?
11:50<priyesh>scotd: I press spacebar and no video out of the dvi port
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11:51<priyesh>scotd: i know it definitely works -have used it when I first set the server up
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11:51<scotd>priyesh: i'm not sure you'd get video out of dvi port unless you are running X11... is X running?
11:51<priyesh>how do i check
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11:52<priyesh>scotd: how do i check, htop?
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11:53<scotd>priyesh: yes, htop would work, or you can type 'runlevel'
11:54<priyesh>scotd: runlevel: N 2
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11:54<cahoot>pgrep X
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11:56<R33D3M33R>hi all, i'm wondering if iceweasel 4.0 will eventually show up in squeeze-backports
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11:59<scotd>priyesh: pgrep X
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12:20<gring>hi everybody, just an observation I made while compiling the 2.6.37.2 kernel: "NSA Selinux" is no more listed in make menuconfig/Security, and also there are no entries anymore in the resulting .config file. I found no info on the net, so has kernel.org silently dropped selinux from the kernel?
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12:23<cahoot>gring grep -i selin /boot/config-$(uname -r): CONFIG_DEFAULT_SECURITY="selinux"
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12:23<cahoot> (2.6.37)
12:26<tech13>Attempting to install Squeeze guest in vmware server 2.0.2 on a Squeeze host. I can get to the guest's bios, and the enter key appears to work, but on the installer, it doesn't acknowledge the keyboard. suggestions?
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12:31<rigved>tech13: are you able to select the keyboard type? this is generally selected before you are asked to enter anything
12:31<gring>cahoot: CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX is not set
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12:31<cahoot>so it's an option
12:31<gring>yes, it is (was) an option, but in make menuconfig selinux is no more listed...
12:32<cahoot>hit / and search?
12:32<gring>i mean in old kernel versions it was listed, in the last version it no more is...
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12:32<cahoot>hit / and search in menuconfig - still not found?
12:33<tech13>rigved, I'm not able to select "install"
12:33<gring>will try...
12:34<jhutchins_lt>gring: grep -i selinux /boot/config-2.6.32-5-686 returns 8 lines
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12:35<jhutchins_lt>Ah, I see you're not looking at the production kernels.
12:35<cahoot>it's still there in debians 2.6.37
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12:36<gring>but not in 2.6.37.2 I think... I'm verifying again...
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12:39<gring>cahoot: yes, searching shows entries... but under the menu entry "Security options" it is not listed...
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12:39<cahoot>maybe you need enable some earlier option then
12:39<tech13>weird. I can select 'install' on the 32 bit version of squeeze netinstall in a vm. (2nd question being "select a language") but I can't get this far with 64 bit squeeze netinstall.
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12:43<DreX>can any1 help me witth backtrack ???
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12:44<DreX>when i type /etc/init.d/networking start it says no such device
12:44<DreX>why ???
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12:45<nabla>How do I install the Ciel theme in squeeze?
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12:46<themill>dpkg: tell DreX about bt4
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12:47<nabla>dpkg: tell nabla about ciel
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12:55<will>DreX: We can't help you since you don't use Debian.
12:56<nabla>why is the ciel theme not packaged?
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12:57<towo`>nabla, because no one want it?
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12:57<nabla>people are fickle
12:57<tech13>guess it is just the 64-bit netinstall, Looks like xfce cd1 is allowing me to select 'install' in the vm.
12:58<tech13>er. nevermind. it only allowed my to select xfce, it froze at 'install'
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12:59<nabla>I can't believe space-fun
12:59<tech13>my bad. said I'm using the wrong type. Must of created a 32 bit vm for my 64 bit iso.
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13:02<rigved>tech13: check the log terminal. when you click on install and it doesn't work, click on Atl+Ctrl+F4
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13:04<marina>ola
13:04<marina>ola?¿
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13:04<marina>olaaa
13:04<marina>ola
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13:04<marina>ola
13:04<marina>k es esooo
13:05<marina>k es esto
13:05<ompaul>!es
13:05<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:05<chron_>where can i get the scripts used to install debian lenny as in the install cd? netinst
13:05<marina>ammm ok
13:05<marina>y k tengo k acer
13:05<chron_>i want to use the script during or after using debootstrap
13:06<marina>a mi no me ables en ingles
13:06<bartm>marina, english please, or /join #debian-es
13:07<marina>didn't speak english
13:07<themill>!ubuntu-es marina
13:07<dpkg>marina: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
13:07<marina>hello
13:08<marina>adios
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13:21<Guest3667>Hi, I converted mbr to gpt and installed grub-efi but system is not booting do You know how to fix it?
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13:35<rizer46>hi
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13:35<rizer46># sabily
13:36<rizer46>how to join #sabily
13:36<rizer46>?
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13:36<rizer46>it's in irc.freenode.net
13:36<rizer46>how to join 'em?
13:36<jhutchins_kc>Guest3667: http://grub.enbug.org/TestingOnEFI
13:37<lloeki>Hello folks! I'm upgrading my NSLU2 to squeeze. Did minimal upgrade, updated kernel and udev, and now I should reboot before dist-upgrade. Yet I noticed that 'apex-env printenv cmdline' has no 'root=$UUID'.
13:37<lloeki>is that worrysome?
13:37<rizer46>i am using crunchbang 10 statler
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13:37<rizer46>debian is great :) thanksd
13:38<jhutchins_kc>!crunchbang
13:38<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on Debian>.
13:38<rizer46>yes lloeki it would may chagnge what you use to have to none
13:38<rizer46>#/
13:38<rizer46>#!
13:39<rizer46>still got some keyboard prob need to change to us qwerty insted of uk
13:39<lloeki>so rizer46 you mean that squeeze does not need the root kernel parameter anymore?
13:39<jhutchins_kc>rizer46: Should you eventually install Debian we would be glad to help.
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13:39<rizer46>it ios debian squeeze
13:40<rizer46>all right find umarzuki mochlis to help
13:40<rizer46>to install debian squeeze heck they have this party in kl to celebrate the release
13:41<rizer46>eventually
13:41<priyesh> how would I get specific commands to run when a debian system boots (run as a specific user)
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13:42<rizer46>#crunchbang
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13:43<lloeki>priyesh: hack-ish: in /etc/rc.local have some 'su - $username -c "command and args"
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13:44<priyesh>lloeki: thanks - will try
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13:50<mib_pwh9oz>this didn't work: su - user -c "screen -S irc irssi"
13:51<ompaul>mib_pwh9oz: user is a username
13:51<mib_pwh9oz>i did this: su - david -c "screen -S irc irssi"
13:51<mib_pwh9oz>does it need to be in quotes
13:51<ompaul>back ticks look better
13:51<ompaul>`
13:52<ompaul>backl in a mo
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13:55<mib_pwh9oz>`su - david -c "screen -S irc irssi"`
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13:56<ompaul>that works
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13:56<stderr_dk>I have su poho -c 'screen -dmS stderrbot irssi' in one of my init.d scrips.
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13:57<ompaul>mib_pwh9oz: that works
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14:06<tharkun>Gentlemen when i want to exclude a dir from rsync i need to use the following syntax --exclude=/dir/sub_dir/
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14:09<ompaul>tharkun: that is correct according to my understanding
14:09<ompaul>tharkun: sorry what are you using the = for ;-)
14:10<stderr_dk>--exclude dir should be enough.
14:10<ompaul>tharkun: syntax 1) --exclude /path/for/one/dir
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14:11<sret>so i got access to a linux Z/OS
14:11<ompaul>tharkun: syntax 2) --exclude=/first/ /second
14:11<sret>this thing doesnt even have a pkg manager
14:11<sret>:D
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14:11<stderr_dk>ompaul: In the 2 case, /second isn't excluded.
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14:13<ompaul>drat I am thinking of something else
14:13<Lord>hi
14:13<Lord>all
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14:14<Lord>what are you doing?
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14:15<ompaul>tharkun: if you want multiple you put single line entries in a file which is then stuck in like this --exclude-from '/home/backup/exclude.txt'
14:15<Lord>can anybody
14:15<Lord>hear me?
14:15<stderr_dk>Lord: No.
14:15<geshp>sure can Lord
14:16<Lord>OKe
14:16<Lord>bye
14:16<Lord>I'm going to eat cake ;)
14:16<Lord>I only try xchat
14:16<stderr_dk>My speech-to-sound module ain't working.
14:17<stderr_dk>I mean text-to-sound... D'oh...
14:17<ompaul>stderr_dk: but you have speech to sound? ;-)
14:18<stderr_dk>Yeah.. :-)
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14:21<jhutchins_lt>,versions lyx
14:21<judd>Package lyx on i386 -- lenny: 1.5.5-1; lenny-backports: 1.6.7-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.6.7-1; sid: 2.0.0~beta4-1; wheezy: 2.0.0~beta4-1
14:21<geshp>when is lenny going to be end-of-lifed anyhow?
14:21<jhutchins_lt>geshp: Feb 2012.
14:22<geshp>thanks
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14:29<tharkun>ompaul: thanks it does work that way when you inp
14:29<tharkun>input the correct path ;P
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14:30<tharkun>Gentlemen is there any known bug on gdm3 where if a user mistypes the password it will freeze?
14:31<bartm>tharkun, check the bts
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14:32<Takfin>bonsoir à tous
14:32<bartm>!fr
14:32<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
14:32<sret>3whats the way to check if a particular /dir exists
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14:32<Takfin>sorry, hello everybody
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14:32<tharkun>bartm: thanks by the size of it i would expect it to be common knowledge. If i have to look at the bts then it is not
14:33<sret>like say /etc/sysconfig/foo/systemid
14:33<variable>sret: [ -e "$dir" ] && command
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14:33<variable>or if you want to know if its a dir use [ -d
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14:34<sret>variable: so [ -e "$/etc/sysconfig/foo/systemid" ] && command?
14:35<will>tharkun: the search engine can be useful sometimes ;-)
14:35<variable>sret: $ == variable to [ -e "/etc/....." ] && command
14:35<bartm>sret, I guess without the $ sign
14:35<sret>oh right
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14:36<engywuck>I've got to support some oldstable (Lenny) systems at work
14:36<sret>outputs nothing
14:36<engywuck>all are members of an ActiveDirectory
14:36<engywuck>Recently a DFS got installed in that AD, which I tried to acces using the lenny machines
14:37<engywuck>unfortunately mount.cifs seemd to mount correctly but gave some "error 11" when trying to access the "linked" sub"folders" of DFS
14:37<engywuck>anyone having a link to some howto or something for DFS under lenny?
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14:38<engywuck>all I can find on the web are ages old discussions (2007 or earlier) and/or how to make a DFS with samba (but not how to access an AD-integrated one)
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14:41<tharkun>will: :D
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14:46<who>yuh
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14:59<willma>hello. Just a quick question, thats bothering me. I've just installed Squeeze from a CD. source.list still has the the cdrom as a source. Is there a prefered way of removing that without resorting to a vi, sed or using some GUI (it's a server)?
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15:04<devil>willma: editor of your choice :)
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15:04<will>willma: you can use synaptic if you need a gui
15:04<willma>I want to do it in some automated way.
15:04<willma>I could do a sed -e in place
15:05<willma>but I've heard of Debian Pure Blends that seemed to infer common config should be able to be done via debconf or similar?
15:05<willma>Otherwise, I'm heading down the cfengine/puppet/chef route, I guess
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15:08<will>willma: I missunderstood, sed is ok for your server
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15:09<will>why looking for things complicated when you can do easily?
15:09<willma>Sure, but I was lead to believe that most debian packages should have configuration of the software? So, but logical extension apt would have some stuff for debconf to mange the file
15:09<willma>Because I have to do it repeatedly and often in the structured manner
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15:09<willma>Others will have to follow it too
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15:10<will>then write a portable sed script
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15:11<willma>yes, yes. But I think my question has been answered - debian doesn't provide consistant configuration for it's packages
15:11<willma>that's fine
15:11<willma>Thanks for the answers
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15:12<will>debian is just a linux distribution
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15:13<willma>sure, but packages do configuration
15:13<willma>I just wonder if there was an api for apt
15:13<engywuck>well, there *could* have been some sort of dpkg-reconfigure apt-sources or so
15:13<will>a kind of apt-config
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15:14<willma>sure, debconf or something similar
15:14<willma>Whether that is a good thing or not is open to question I guess
15:14<willma>So where does this Pure Blend thing come in to Debian?
15:15<engywuck>but I'm not aware of some sort of recommended packages-reconfigure except by editor or sed
15:15<engywuck>eh... sources-reconfigure
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15:18<kva>gm. willma, why don't you get a standart sources.list?
15:19<willma>What do you mean kva? Have one I just copy into place?
15:19<engywuck>the standard-sources.list after installation is *with* CD-entries.
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15:19<engywuck>so you need to either just replace this manually, doo some sed-job or manually edit this file
15:20<engywuck>(if you don't want to enter the CD everytime you need new packages, that is)
15:20<kva>nope
15:20<kva>wait a minute
15:20<engywuck>if I understand willma correctly he/she expected some sort of dpkg-reconfigre sources.list --no-cd-entries or sth like that
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15:21<willma>Yes, something like that
15:22<kva>willlma: http://pastebin.com/1WeYMJj2
15:22<kva>that should do, cd is commented out
15:23<kva>I don't know the way to do it without editing that file
15:23<willma>I did sed -i.old -e 's/^deb cd/#deb cd/' /etc/apt/sources.list for now
15:23<willma>I think I need an automation tool for what I want
15:24<kva>if you master sed you can do it with cat from mine :-)
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15:25<kva>and then apt-get update and apt-get upgrade but it will work at least in gnome automatically
15:25<will>kva: he's got a server
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15:25<willma>sure.
15:25<kva>well, but sources are needed...
15:26<willma>It's a headless machine. Actually a VM atm, but will be on ARM devices
15:26<willma>sources will need to be adjusted depending on the user's location
15:26<willma>Kind of like the installer.... That's a point. How does the installer do it?
15:26<will>kva: I say that because you talked about Gnome
15:26<kva>sorry, don't know much of arm. mine are for amd64
15:27<kva>but well, as it's not mentioned you could at least try
15:27<kva>add those too, maybe not french, but it's up to you to choose your mirror
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15:28<kva>at least it shouldn't hurt
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15:32<willma>thanks kva
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15:34<stderr_dk>willma: Have you tried installing from the businesscard CD? Then the sources list will be without a CD entry.
15:35<willma>It's not a huge issue - evenually the image will probably be in flash or on SD card
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15:35<willma>I just wondered what the interfaces were like for apt at the moment
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15:35<kva>well. cd installer lets you to choose you preferred mirror normally. but not for ARM I think
15:35<kva>willma: ifconfig?
15:36<willma>no, as in API
15:36<kva>how?
15:36<kva>it's well below api
15:36<willma>eg. dpkg-reconfigure apt -> shows curses dialoge to adjust apt sources
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15:37<willma>I don't _need_ that but it is easily that changing files in place using sed
15:37<willma>is all
15:37<kva>well, can you choose your mirror there?
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15:38<kva>sure sed isn't best editor around there :-)
15:38<willma>better than ed :)
15:38<willma>(and emacs ;) )
15:39<kva>you could try vi :-)
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15:39<kva>that's sed with a proper shell :-)
15:39<kva>not to mention vim, gvim and others
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15:41<willma>I use vi mostly
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15:42<kva>so you can edit a file for sure :-) that's better then cat and sed :-)
15:42<engywuck><willma> sources will need to be adjusted depending on the user's location <--- http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/netselect-apt
15:43<engywuck>perhaps that's a starting pint?
15:43<kva>ty, engywuck
15:43<engywuck>*point
15:45<sney`>using cdn.debian.net is also a good (lazy) way of adjusting apt mirror based on location
15:45<willma>ooh. Thanks engywuck
15:46<kva>well, someone using sed to edit files isn't looking for lazy ways :-)
15:46<willma>hell, sed is quicker than vi :)
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15:46<kva>sure it is :-)
15:47<engywuck>awk ftw :)
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15:47<engywuck>but yes, sed is great
15:47<engywuck>I even once had a sed-script that emulated bc :D
15:47<jhutchins_lt>willma: The installer uses a URL that does geolocation distributed referrals.
15:48<jhutchins_lt>willma: ftp.debian.org will resolve differently depending on where you are.
15:48<willma>engywuck, that is some form of masochism :)
15:48<engywuck>for the one writing it, yes
15:48<willma>Ah, ok. What about already local hosts. E.g. ftp.de.debian. Would that direct to a host in that country?
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15:50<jhutchins_lt>willma: Right.
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15:51<willma>ok, great. That also means that I needn't feel bad about selecting the default mirrors :)
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15:51<jhutchins_lt>However, physical distance isn't the same as network distance, and netselect lets you select by what's fast today.
15:51<kva>yup. that should do, you can try it in browser
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15:52<jhutchins_lt>This system gets 130.89.149.226 for ftp.debian.org
15:52<kva>anyway you can select any mirror on net, if you want to get rid of cd :-) there are plenty of them
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15:53<jhutchins_lt>I get five different responses for ftp.us.debian.org
15:53<kva>some are faster, some are slower but most of them work
15:53<jhutchins_lt>Since I switched to debian I have yet to experience a server bottleneck.
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15:54<SynrG>you know about cdn.debian.net?
15:54<sney`>cdn.debian.net is great though its idea of geographical proximity is a bit... vague
15:55<sney`>from calgary, it resolves to a university mirror more than 1500 miles away :P
15:55<SynrG>then give feedback to the admins
15:55<SynrG>they are quite responsive
15:55<sney`>it's ok, I still saturate my connection to uwaterloo
15:55<jhutchins_lt>sney`: Like I said, physical geograpy != network geography.
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15:56<jhutchins_lt>To reach some servers in this city I get routed through Boston.
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15:57<stderr_dk>Isn't cdn an anycast address?
15:57<jhutchins_lt>That's 2000 km each way.
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15:58<kva>well, I've seen worse, to reach some servers in paris from paris I was routed by russia and japan and usa, but that was worst case
15:59<SynrG>!geo sources.list
15:59<dpkg>To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from cdn.debian.net. An example line for your sources.list is "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main". See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror for more information, or ask me about <sources.list>. Don't use this with Google DNS or similar.
15:59<jhutchins_lt>There was that little incident where most of the US east coast was routed through China.
16:00<stderr_dk>Wasn't there some talk about an anycast address for mirrors at some point? Or was that just a weird dream of mine?
16:00<sney`>it seems in my case either the cdn admins don't know about the ucalgary mirror, or choose not to include it for some reason
16:01<jhutchins_lt>sney`: It might be interesting to compare a traceroute to ucalgary with the one cdn gives you.
16:01<sney`>I just did that, which is what lead me to the above hypothesis
16:01<Tiff>netselect-apt
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16:02<sney`>brb, stderr broke my irssi screen
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16:02<stderr_dk>Sorry... :-/
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16:03<sney`>just bringing the final lenny system up to squeeze.
16:03<Tiff>bit early
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16:03<stderr_dk>sney`: stderr as in me or file descriptor 2?
16:03<Tiff>lenny has like 11 months support left!
16:04<sney`>as in, a few apt warnings dislodged the borders of my irssi window
16:04<stderr_dk>Ah, ok.
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16:14<gamakichi>Having some 'fun' right now - just installed debian squeeze and am switching to testing (testing CDs kept going FUBAR during install)... I was updating packages, and I walk away... come back, move the mouse / enter password since the screensaver's up... Synaptic and the 'Applying Changes' window are both totally blank, and unresponsive. Debian is regarding
16:14<gamakichi>them as 'not responding' and giving a force quit option
16:14<gamakichi>wat do.
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16:15<gamakichi>(and before anyone asks why I'n using mibbit... I can't install irssi when Synaptic is sitting there dead in the water. :P)
16:15<Tiff>you were dist-upgrading.... with synaptic?
16:15<sney`>gamakichi: can you ctrl-alt-backspace to get out of X?
16:15<sney`>yes, and Tiff's question.
16:15<gamakichi>never had issues with synaptic before, didn't realize it was a bad idea (tm) until five minutes ago, and facepalmed.
16:16<sney`>well, at least it's a clean install, so if you really broke something you can just start again. can you get out of X?
16:18<gamakichi>Er, I can, but I'm more worried about what'd happen if I nuked synaptic mid-install, since I've heard some horror stories about killing apt. >>;
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16:18<Tiff>is the HDD still being written to?
16:18<gamakichi>also, ctrl-alt-backspace was disabled-by-default a bit ago, just a heads-up. >>;
16:18<Tiff>alt+sysrq+k will accomplish near same thing
16:19<sney`>if synaptic uses aptitude as the backend, it should be able to recover.
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16:20<gamakichi>it uses apt-get. >>;
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16:21<sney`>well, in either case it seems your options are pretty limited.
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16:21<sney`>unless you have some feedback telling you that apt is still working and it's just the frontend that's frozen, anyway
16:21<Tiff>options: 1) If HDD is still being written to visible, leave it for awhile. 2) Kill X and try recover.
16:22<Tiff>either which way you don't have much to lose as its a fresh install, as sney said.
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16:23<gamakichi>uh, how do I tell if the HD is being written to aside from looking at the LED and guessing? I was thinking system monitor, but it doesn't have any HD activity info that I can tell. >>;
16:23<Tiff>i recommend not using synaptic to dist-upgrade.. use preferred cli tool in tty1 or something
16:24<Tiff>if the thing is frozen, the LED is the basic option.
16:24<sney`>the led is a pretty good indicator
16:24<sney`>also hard drive thinky noises
16:24<gamakichi>it's blinking, but not staying on / rapidly blinking.
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16:25<jhutchins_lt>The Release Notes recommends using apt-get to upgrade to squeeze.
16:25<gamakichi>yeah, I'm learning that. bit of a linux n00b. been dabbling w/ it on and off since the 90s, been trying to switch to it full-time for the past year and a half, was using ubuntu until now since Canonical is turning into FOSS Apple. >>;
16:25<gamakichi>learning not to use synaptic to dist-upgrade I mean. :P
16:25<gamakichi>that took too long to type
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16:25<sney`>you can also open a terminal and try to run some apt tool, if synaptic is still running then it'll tell you you can't run apt while you run apt
16:25<sney`>(dawg)
16:25<jhutchins_lt>synaptic is a really bad idea and indicates somebody didn't check release notes or install guide or anything before upgrading. Probably didn't make a backup either.
16:26<sney`>jhutchins_lt: he's going squeeze-wheezy on a fresh install
16:26<Tiff>why would you backup a fresh install
16:26<gamakichi>^qft
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16:26<jhutchins_lt>!squeeze-wheezy
16:26<jhutchins_lt>Tiff: To be able to return to a working system when wheezy breaks.
16:26<gamakichi>...I'd've used a testing disc, but they keep bombing on installing base system. :P
16:27<jhutchins_lt>Tiff: If he's using synaptic for that it's something he really shouldn't be doing at all.
16:27<gamakichi>...okay now you're just being an ass. it is literally a fresh system. installed LAST NIGHT.
16:27<gamakichi>:P
16:27<sney`>again, the factoid of "if you have to ask how, you shouldn't do it" does not really apply on a clean install for a non-production screwing around system.
16:27<jhutchins_lt>dpkg: squeeze->wheezy?
16:27<dpkg>Want to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? We've only just had a release and users of testing are in for a bumpy ride... if you have to ask how to do this, you shouldn't do it. (in the 12 hours after squeeze released, 2184 packages where changed in wheezy. That's about 14% of the archive changing.) Good luck... you're going to need it.
16:27<Tiff>jhutchins: we've been saying that from the moment he asked the question.
16:27<Tiff>i think he gets the message
16:27<Tiff>:P
16:28<gamakichi>also there's the factoid of 'the quickest way to learn how to use something is to have to fix it.'
16:28<gamakichi>:P
16:28<jhutchins_lt>BUT THE VERSION NUMBERS ARE B*I*G*G*E*R!!!
16:28<sney`>and the mascot this time looks kinda like tux
16:28<Tiff>learning through experience isn't a bad thing, I agree.... as long as it isn't a production server. >_>
16:28<gamakichi>...actually jhutchins, I just want it for the rolling release, and have beta tested in the past. I'm not just looking for 'LOL BIG NUMBERS'
16:28<sney`>hey, at least he's not trying to run sid and insisting it's perfectly fine for his company's web server
16:29<Tiff>but reading the release notes as jhutchins suggested allows you to learn without the time investment of reinstalling things. :)
16:29<gamakichi>true, but I'm just saying - at this point he's forcing the issue, AND being demeaning.
16:29<sney`>we have some grumpy old unix beards in #debian, just take it in stride
16:30<gamakichi>in any case, I'm doing this on a non-production system, know not to log in as root, and am the only 18y/o I know that knows how to use a bash terminal without breaking something.
16:30<gamakichi>so there's three things I'm doing right overall
16:30<gamakichi>:P
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16:31<Tiff>gamakichi: the reason is that you're doing something which most experienced people would consider stupid and rash. Documentation points to the correct tools to use. So, you can expect responses like that for that reason.
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16:31<Tiff>as i said, i'm sure you get that by now tho. :)
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16:32<gamakichi>it's not like I didn't try looking anything up at all and just mashed buttons, anyway. just the info I was reading was incomplete and nonspecific in some places.
16:32<gamakichi>>>;
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16:33<gamakichi>yep - I'm in for some fun.
16:33<gamakichi>E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
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16:34<gamakichi>screw it, I think I broke X earlier anyway because ATI cards don't seem to play well with Linux. I'm gonna reinstall. >>;
16:34<devil>gamakichi: give synaptic the boot
16:34<sney`>ati cards are supported pretty well these days, though the documentation is a little sparse
16:35<gamakichi>yeah, and that's why I ran into the framebuffer issue when configuring x, and had to ssh into the thing from my iphone to read the output.
16:35<gamakichi>>>;
16:35<sney`>much less of a pain than getting 3d on a nvidia card from a new squeeze install, anyway
16:35<gamakichi>...^
16:36<jhutchins_lt>gamakichi: Well, that's resourceful at least.
16:36<sney`>you kids and your gadget phones
16:36<sney`>bah
16:36<jhutchins_lt>gamakichi: Testing is not intended to be a rolling release.
16:36<jhutchins_lt>gamakichi: Have you ever tried gentoo?
16:37<gamakichi>oh, and word to the wise - if you have a RAT-series mouse from MadCatz/Cyborg, any support for official ATI tools go out the window - CCC chokes whenever it sees an InputClass section in xorg.conf
16:37<devil>and sid is more usable than testing mostly anyways :)
16:37<sney`>devil: no matter how occasionally true that may be, please try to refrain from saying it in a place where noobs might hear you. >_>
16:37<devil>gamakichi: squeeze has no xorg.conf
16:37<jhutchins_lt>devil: Not at all recommended for people still using synaptic.
16:38<gamakichi>...devil - you have to use xorg.conf to get the mouse to work at all.
16:38<gamakichi>:P
16:38<jhutchins_lt>devil: It does for ATI.
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16:38<sney`>yeah, the proprietary 3d drivers tend to require that kind of stone age tech
16:38<devil>sney: so, you would rather have him use testing
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16:38<devil>jhutchins_lt: for fglrx?
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16:39<gamakichi>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-mouse/+bug/615892 - this explains in short detail why I've come to love/hate xorg.conf
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16:39<sney`>devil: so long as it means we're not constantly explaining to the high school linux club why we don't support sid in #debian
16:39<gamakichi>...I take offense to that. >>;
16:40<sney`>no, it's "hey, I resemble that remark"
16:40<Tiff>using an inputclass in xorg.conf.d for that isn't a bad thing, if it works.
16:40<devil>sney`: i would not support it here
16:40<jhutchins_lt>gamakichi: Seriously, I wonder if you've tried gentoo, and why it doesn't meet your needs.
16:40<Tiff>since hal is deprecated and udev x11.options ENVs aren't honored
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16:40<sney`>probably not instant enough. in the world of facebook, twitter, and people born in the 90s, there's no time to wait for X to compile from source
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16:42<gamakichi>...because most of my experience is on debian-based systems, and I'm more comfortable with getting software from apt than farting around with tarballs? >>;
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16:43<chatzillaNow>ok after boot is done my keyboard and mouse dont work unplugging usb mouse then plugging back in makes mouse work but kb is pstwo and wont work do you know what to look for
16:43<sney`>anyway, testing can be usable enough if you're comfortable with digging yourself out of occasional holes, and it's neat to watch the OS grow to the next version, so why not
16:44<chatzillaNow>typing via character map
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16:44<gamakichi>overall, I've worked with unstable stuff in the past, and it's the closest debian has to a rolling release, so I figure why the hell not. And I'm not gonna even touch Sid with a ten-foot pole.
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16:46<Tiff>it's worth keeping in mind the testing/sid repos are a bit erratic atm post-stable release
16:46<amakusa>hey all, I found a conky config for clock rings written in lua, the thing is that in my debian unstable partition it works great, but I can't figure out why it doesn't show the clock hands in my stable partition, anyone has a any clue??
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16:47<sney`>well, I would have guessed feature too new for the version of conky in stable, but they're the same version, so
16:48<gamakichi>but yeah - I'll try gentoo, but I might as well go Arch in that case - the only reason I haven't set up an Arch Linux install is because it uses pacman instead of apt-get.
16:48<Tiff>pff
16:48<Tiff>Slackware
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16:49<sney`>slackware peaked in 2003
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16:49<Tiff>* 1993
16:49<Tiff>nah, love Slackware.
16:49<gamakichi>Point me to the development branch of Google Chrome on pacman or portage though and I'll take it more seriously.
16:50<gamakichi>:P
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16:50<chatzillaNow>my kb doesnt work can someone help please
16:51<sney`>chatzillaNow: did it ever work before?
16:51<Tiff>I compiled Chromium on Slackware last night on an old box. It took many hours. Kids want everything straight away these days.
16:51<Tiff>>_>
16:51<sney`>chat foul, I made that same joke like 5 minutes ago
16:51<gamakichi>...the development branch of Chrome. you know, the rolling-release one? :P
16:51<gamakichi>two versions ahead of stable?
16:52<gamakichi>only supported on debian and ubuntu? unpacking the deb /might/ work, support on other distros /planned/?
16:52<sney`>google-chrome-unstable? the one that sometimes forgets how to have scrollbars? you do play dangerously
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16:52<gamakichi>and two versions isn't that much with google's versioning system for chrome. so yeah.
16:53<gamakichi>...I'm a beta tester for Chrome OS, and I like to have the same version of stuff on all my systems.
16:53<gamakichi>:P
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16:53<gamakichi>it's annoying when something I can do on my Cr-48 doesn't work on Chrome
16:54<gamakichi>so I run unstable.
16:54<kva>that's why you're playing as kamikadze? :-) compile from sources getting them from cvs
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16:55<toru>if i upgrade to testing do i need to keep the security repository?
16:55<gamakichi>...I'm not gonna get into the difference between chrome and chromium, but eh.
16:56<toru>or is that just there for stable?
16:56<gamakichi>...am I the only one laughing at the irony here? we're talking about how I botched a transition from squeeze to testing, and a dude comes in asking how to do it.
16:56<chatzillaNow>sney yes this morning... i can type my encrypted lvm key at boot start but in gnome it wont work
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16:56<toru>uh oh
16:57<gamakichi>nah, toru, it's cool, I just did something stupid
16:57<gamakichi>testing isn't what broke it, I broke it.
16:57<gamakichi>:P
16:57<toru>hehe that's good.
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16:57<gamakichi>...
16:58<gamakichi>holy crap I just ran 'ps aux | grep synaptic' and...
16:58<gamakichi>holy crap
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16:58<gamakichi>root 16922 0.0 0.2 18068 9208 pts/1 Ss+ 12:50 0:00 /usr/bin/dpkg --status-fd 34 --configure tzdata-java libc6-i386 tasksel tasksel-data libmtp8 libdbus-1-3 libck-connector0 libpcre3 libglib2.0-0 libxdmcp6 libxcb1 libx11-data libx11-6 dbus dbus-x11 libudev0 udev consolekit foomatic-db libavahi-common-data [this goes on for a while...]
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17:00<gamakichi>that goes on for 33 lines on a 132x43 terminal.
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17:00<gamakichi>yeah, I can see why I derped by using synaptic. :P
17:01<toru>still wondering what to put in the sources list for security under testing if anything.
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17:02<chatzillaNow>dmesg says lots of "end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0" and "Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0"
17:02<sney`>toru: you don't need security for testing, as you guessed it's only for stable
17:02<toru>ok cool. thanks.
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17:03<sney`>hooray, I am fully updated to stable!
17:04<gamakichi>http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ - all the info you need is here, toru
17:04<gamakichi>:P
17:04<Tiff>irony
17:04<toru>yeah i read that, i was just a tad bit confused on the security part.
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17:11<gamakichi>I'm off to reinstall debian. wish me luck, I guess.
17:12<toru>good luck. hope i wont be joining you.
17:12<jhutchins_lt>toru: No security updates for testing, it's one of the reasons we recommend not using it.
17:12<_Alex__>Good luck, we all hope for the best
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17:12<gamakichi>haha, just don't be an idiot and use synaptic like I did when you make the switch.
17:13<toru>done
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17:13<chatzillaNow>it shouldnt try to access floppy... anyway how can i tell debian to reinitialize the kb
17:13<toru>not using synaptic
17:13<jhutchins_lt>gamakichi: Your irony is noted. Happens all the time though.
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17:13<jhutchins_lt>!tell toru about squeeze->wheezy
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17:15<gamakichi>also, I'm so used to shutdown and all that being on upper-right in ubuntu that I just clicked the debian window selector.
17:15<gamakichi>>>;
17:15<sney`>stop making that face
17:15<devil>chatzillaNow: did you try dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
17:15<chatzillaNow>no
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17:17<chatzillaNow>cant use mouse to do it though
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17:17<devil>does keyboard work outside X?
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17:19<chatzillaNow>i can type my encrypted lvm key at boot start but in gnome it wont work... does that count
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17:19<devil>chatzillaNow: boot to init one or any other init outside X and run the command in a terminal
17:20<Karburator>chatzillaNow: try to boot in single user mode
17:20<Karburator>into*
17:20<chatzillaNow>how
17:20<Karburator>chatzillaNow When GRUB menu appears, select Debian GNU/Linux (Recovery Mode)
17:21<chatzillaNow>dont think grub is installed
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17:22<devil>it is
17:22<devil>its what you boot with
17:22<chatzillaNow>ok
17:22<devil>unless you installed something else
17:22<kva>I remember holding something like left shift helps to summon grub menu
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17:23<arand>In order to "force" the installation of a .deb I'd like to edit it's control file before installing, I am able to unpack it, but how do I use ar to get it back togeather again?
17:23<Karburator>I didn't saw, did you mention what debian version are you using chatzillaNow?
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17:23<chatzillaNow>no, stable
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17:24<Karburator>Did you upgrade to it, or you did a fresh install?
17:24<ry60003333>I just upgraded to Debian 6, and now I am having a problem where PHP cannot read a font file from a CIFS mount, its the same thing described here: http://www.phpfreaks.com/forums/index.php?topic=301772.0
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17:26<chatzillaNow>fresh and its been fine several days, will try, bye
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17:30<ry60003333>Anyone have any idea why updating to 6 broke that? :P
17:31<sney`>did anything unusual happen with php or samba during the upgrade
17:31<stderr_dk>arand: As far as I remember, it's r.
17:31<ry60003333>i actually reformatted the entire computer with 6, and i'm using the same script to mount the volumes
17:32<ry60003333>i used is_readable and php returned a 1
17:32<sney`>can you navigate to the share manually
17:32<ry60003333>yep, and i can read the file as www-data
17:33<sney`>hmm
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17:33<ry60003333>heres some pics: http://grab.by/9jjs , http://grab.by/9jjt
17:34<sney`>maybe it has something to do with going from php 5.2.6 to php 5.3.3, I know there are some api changes though not being a web developer I'm not familiar with the details
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17:38<ry60003333>it must be, because this wasn't a problem on lenny. the other problem is since my entire site is mounted, this breaks the captchas on all my smf forums :P
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17:41<DebianN00b>Hi, first time using IRC.
17:41<sney`>hi
17:43<DebianN00b>I have a question related to a basic Debian installation in VirtualBox, with a 64-bit VM (on a Win7-64/Intel i7 proc). Is it ok to post it here?
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17:43<jhutchins_lt>DebianN00b: sure.
17:43-!-negro-jei [~negro-jei@186.43.19.169] has joined #debian
17:43<jhutchins_lt>DebianN00b: We have a few vbox people.
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17:44<DebianN00b>Basically, I've downloaded the netinstall-iso (64-bit), and installation goes fine 'till "selecting and isntall software". Installation step failed.
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17:45<diederik>DebianN00b: did it say why it failed?
17:45<DebianN00b>I've tried graphical and non graphical UI for installation. And I wanted to install Desktop, SSH
17:46<diederik>and where did you download the netinstall-iso from (including filename)
17:46<DebianN00b>no explanation, just that I can try the failing item again, but that's a loop.
17:46<DebianN00b>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso
17:46<DebianN00b>installation using ftp.nl.debian.org
17:47<diederik>ok, that's a solid/stable one
17:47<diederik>did you specify a proxy during install?
17:47<DebianN00b>should I try a different package-server? or the 'big' debain installation iso?
17:48<diederik>no, no need for it
17:48<DebianN00b>no proxy
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17:48<diederik>you could try mirrors.nl.kernel.org instead of ftp.nl.debian.org (that's what I have now)
17:48<ladoga>seems like wicd depends on hal in testing :/
17:48<diederik>it's also on the list of selectable mirrors iirc
17:49<DebianN00b>ok i'll try that other mirror
17:49<diederik>and can you try the 'select and install software' step again and when it fails do right-ctl key + F2 to get to the second terminal window
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17:50<diederik>normally in linux it's Ctl+Alt+F2, but that doesn't work in vbox
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17:51<diederik>right-ctl is configured as the host key on my vbox install
17:51<ry60003333>sney` the nounix mount option triggers the bug
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17:52<diederik>btw which version of virtualbox are you using?
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17:53<DebianN00b>latest. Just downloaded it.
17:53<DebianN00b>I'm re-installing debian now
17:53<DebianN00b>selected other mirror @ kernel.org
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17:54<DebianN00b>everything's basic, except for /home as separate partition
17:54<diederik>solid choice :)
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17:55<jhutchins_lt>DebianN00b: Is this over wifi?
17:55<DebianN00b>selected installation: desktop, file server, ssh, standard system utils
17:55<DebianN00b>nope
17:55<DebianN00b>LAN
17:56<diederik>with DHCP? Did that step succeed during the install?
17:56<DebianN00b>it fails right after downloading all the packages, as soon as it's supposed to install.
17:57<diederik>ok, do ctl+F2
17:57<DebianN00b>(it's downloading right now, 7 min. to go)
17:57<diederik>you should see a new terminal (DOS) window
17:57<diederik>so, it hasn't failed yet?
17:58<DebianN00b>no, this is as far as I got the last two times. I'm curios what happens when it's done downloading and starts installing
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18:00<DebianN00b>I've been using ubuntu since 9.04, and i've loved it. I'm using windows for Adobe's software I need, and games, but otherwise it's ubuntu everywhere.
18:01-!-mode/#debian [+l 509] by debhelper
18:01<DebianN00b>now I want to see how it works with Debian.
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18:02<DebianN00b>1 min 40 sec remaining
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18:04<DebianN00b>I'd expect more chattering with 492 users in a channel %|
18:05<ompaul>DebianN00b: the thing to remember is that Debian is not Ubuntu and Ubuntu is not Debian, so what you might do to "enhance" Ubuntu may be similar or different, so best to search www.debian.org first ;-)
18:05<sney`>or ask in here
18:05<sney`>it's more busy during the work week
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18:05<ompaul>sney`: well given that the user is here already I thought that was a given ;-)
18:05<DebianN00b>Now it's installing, 37%
18:05*ompaul hides
18:05<DebianN00b>:D
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18:06<sney`>more progress this time? good
18:06<DebianN00b>nope. failes at 44%
18:06<DebianN00b>same thin %|
18:06<diederik>ok, now do right-ctl+F2
18:06<diederik>if right-clt is defined as your host key
18:07<DebianN00b>I'm in terminal
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18:07<diederik>if you see a new terminal window, type "dmesg | tail" <Enter>
18:08<DebianN00b>is there a way to paste a screenshot?
18:08<DebianN00b>basically it's repeating Microsoft Joliet Leverl 3
18:08<DebianN00b>RRIP_1991A
18:09<diederik>not on this channel, use image hosting services and paste url here
18:09<DebianN00b>two lines, repeated 5 times (10 lines total, same message)
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18:09<diederik>maybe the image wasn't burned correctly
18:10<diederik>or did you mount the iso file directly?
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18:11<chatzillaNow>kb works fine in single user mode not in gnome
18:11<DebianN00b>? How can that be? It's an "internet isntall" iso, the whole installation goes fine, except from the moment it's downloading additional packages and tries to install them
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18:11<DebianN00b>what image host can I use?
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18:11<sney`>imgur
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18:12<diederik>did you verify the iso you downloaded with the checksum on page http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/ ?
18:13<diederik>the error "Joliet" indicates something is wrong with a CD
18:13<Karburator>chatzillaNow do you know basic terminal commands?
18:14<diederik>and the base components are on the cd and maybe sth is broken in there, thereby failing to install additional packages
18:14<chatzillaNow>yes
18:14<DebianN00b>i'll check MD5SH now
18:15<Karburator>chatzillaNow Can you somehow pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file from singe user mode?
18:16<diederik>!tell DebianN00b about dpkg pastebin
18:16<DebianN00b>http://imgur.com/Zhf3W
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18:17<chatzillaNow>i dont think so if its short enough il lcopy it
18:18<Karburator>Tell me, how did you got on irc?
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18:19<chatzillaNow>charmap and chatzilla try it
18:19<diederik>DebianN00b: did you burn the iso and use the CD as installation source? Or did you select the iso file in vbox?
18:19<Karburator>On what system?
18:20<diederik>the latter is faster/'better'
18:20<chatzillaNow>?
18:20<Karburator>You say your keyboard do not work in gnome, so how did you get on irc? using other computer or other operating system on the same machine?
18:20<Karburator>does*
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18:22<chatzillaNow>same system using charmap and chatzilla try it
18:22<chatzillaNow>tedious
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18:23<DebianN00b>MD5 hashes are identical, so ISO is ok
18:23<DebianN00b>I selected iso as installsource
18:24<Karburator>chatzillaNow check if you have xserver-xorg-input-evdev package installed by typing dpkg -l | grep evdev
18:24<diederik>then it's quite weird to get the Joliet errors ...
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18:24<diederik>can you paste screenshot of the settings of your vbox image?
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18:25<chatzillaNow>ii xserver-xorg-input-evdev 1:2.3.2-6 X.Org X server -- evdev input driver
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18:26<Karburator>dpkg -l | grep input-mouse
18:26<dpkg>ii | grep input-mouse 2.8-4 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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18:26<Karburator>err
18:27<Karburator>chatzillaNow check if there are any old keyboard and mouse drivers by typing dpkg -l | grep input-mouse and dpkg -l |grep input-kbd
18:27<DebianN00b>http://imgur.com/v4SiF
18:29<chatzillaNow>http://pastebin.com/fcrpjirr
18:30<diederik>DebianN00b: seems to be ok, maybe increase video memory, but I doubt it'll make a difference
18:30<r0ger>will /etc/init.d/iptables restart load all the rules that are currently in effect?
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18:30<Takfin>hello, has anyone know why apt-get install xchat doesn't work on madriva?
18:31<sney`>!mandriva
18:31<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, mandriva is the new name (2005.04) of the merged Mandrake Linux and <Conectiva> Linux companies, or a stupid name, or a way of giving untested and pre-released software to newbies. http://www.mandriva.com/ #mandriva on irc.freenode.net.
18:31<Takfin>in Vbox
18:31<sney`>ask the mandriva people
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18:31<chatzillaNow>dpkg -l | grep input-mouse says nothing
18:31<dpkg>No packages found matching | grep input-mouse says nothing
18:32<DebianN00b>ok, I'll download the full version then, see if that helps. but what's the ISO 9660 Extentions?
18:33<chatzillaNow>dpkg -l |grep input-kbd says nothing
18:33<dpkg>No packages found matching |grep input-kbd says nothing
18:33<diederik>DebianN00b: that's the standard for CDs
18:33<DebianN00b>by the way, my system has no CD-rom at all, might be a vbox bug?
18:33<diederik>what about only selecting Desktop task (and install the others later)
18:34<DebianN00b>will do.
18:34<diederik>to be sure: it fails during the installation, but not the downloading part. Right?
18:34<DebianN00b>right
18:35<Karburator>chatzillaNow you can try installing xserver-xorg-input-kbd package
18:35<diederik>oh and also select "Basic System" (last option). That the most important one (afaik)
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18:37<flaccid>squeeze rules :)
18:37<chatzillaNow>xserver-xorg-input-kbd not in repo
18:38<Karburator>!info xserver-xorg-input-kbd
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18:39<thewanderer1>,info xserver-xorg-input-kbd
18:39<judd>Package xserver-xorg-input-kbd (x11, optional) in squeeze/i386: X.Org X server -- keyboard input driver. Version: 1:1.4.0-2; Size: 30.2k; Installed: 120k
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18:39<Karburator>It is there
18:39<dpkg>xserver-xorg-input-kbd: (X.Org X server -- keyboard input driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:1.5.99.901-1 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 120 kB
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18:40<DebianN00b>Only graphical desktop enviro & standard system utils selected.
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18:40<diederik>ok
18:41<diederik>you didn't select any of the advanced options in the first (?) screen, did you?
18:41<DebianN00b>again downloading for 8 min.
18:41<flaccid>this is a bit of a noob question, but just looking for best practice adding a user to the sudo group. use usermod or some group add command?
18:41<flaccid>or even adduser?
18:41<DebianN00b>none. simple standard installation.
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18:41<diederik>ok
18:41<flaccid>i guess i need to do useradd -g, but retaining existing groups?
18:42<Karburator>adduser username group
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18:43<flaccid>ah yep does retain the groups, thanks very much Karburator
18:43<diederik>usermod -aG group username
18:43<flaccid>adduser flaccid sudo seems to be do the trick without screwing up current groups
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18:44<flaccid>hmm can't i run newgrp to refersh groups in an already open shell?
18:44<flaccid>i know there is some method to save having to logout of x and back in..
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18:47<chatzillaNow>ok apt giving me grief got it
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18:48<Karburator>reload xorg or reboot
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18:48<flaccid>hmm i swear you could do it
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18:49<flaccid>ah you have to specify the group with newgrp. so newgrp sudo does the trick
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18:50<DebianN00b>failed...
18:51-!-mode/#debian [+l 503] by debhelper
18:51<diederik>Joliet errors again?
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18:51<DebianN00b>yep, same thing
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18:52<DebianN00b>i'll try the 32-bit netinstaller iso tomorrow
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18:52<chatzillaNow>got driver now reboot?
18:52<diederik>or try the businesscard one
18:53<diederik>I really doubt 64bit is giving problems
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18:53<DebianN00b>if that fails, I'll just download the full iso, so I can just boot from USB-stick and try the live version. Might be a vbox-thing.
18:54<DebianN00b>thanks/bedankt diederik.
18:54<diederik>graag gedaan.
18:54<Karburator>yes chatzillaNow
18:54<DebianN00b>;) geen bedtijd voor je?
18:54<diederik>Ben nog wat (met vbox) aan het experimenteren
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18:55<DebianN00b>ok, suc6. cu
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19:05<flaccid>anyone know how to partition a disk in linux non interactively?
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19:07<chatzillaNow>doesnt work
19:07<retrospectacus>flaccid: sfdisk
19:08<flaccid>retrospectacus: let me check it out
19:08<flaccid>retrospectacus: which package is that in?
19:09<chatzillaNow>this is a mouse problem too mouse is easier to temporarily fix
19:09<retrospectacus>let me see
19:09<flaccid>util-linux?
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19:09<flaccid>sweet
19:10<retrospectacus>yes
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19:12*flaccid gets excited
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19:21<diederik>I found out why DebianN00b's install failed (in case he comes back and I'm not here):
19:22<diederik> dpkg: failed to write status database record about 'libdrm-radeon1' to '/var/lib/dpkg/status': No space left on device
19:22<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, diederik
19:23<diederik>in other words: 8Gb is not sufficient to install Desktop task (??)
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19:24<diederik>ah: if you select the guided step in the installer and choose seperate /home, in that case / only has 2.4 Gb
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19:26<chatzillaNow>what could cause the keyboard and mouse to not be used after boot
19:28<sret>can you believe this shit
19:28<sret>ive got me z/OS working:D
19:28<sret>sadly they dont run debian:/
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19:37<chatzillaNow> running /etc/init.d/keyboard-setup restart doesnt help
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19:43<rcc>hi guys, any idea why I can't set a specific mode for a monitor? when x starts, it just picks another one, it's on an nvidia card
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19:44<Karburator>chatzillaNow?
19:44<rcc>the mode I'm looking for doesn't show up in the resolutions list in NVIDIA X Server Settings, but I know it's supported because it works just fine on windows
19:44<rcc>and if I try to manually set it in xorg.conf I end up with a random resolution
19:45<rcc>any suggestions? is there a way to force a specific resolution / refresh rate no matter what the driver or whatever makes that decision thinks?
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19:48<chatzillaNow>yes?
19:48<Karburator>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=567756#96
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19:49<Karburator>There it explains: If using hal, keyboard works fine. If using udev without the basic xorg.conf, won't work. If using udev with the basic xorg.conf provided there, it works
19:49<Karburator>You can try that
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19:52<chatzillaNow>how to tell if using udev
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19:53<retrospectacus>dmesg|grep udev
19:54<chealer>rcc: which X video driver do you use?
19:54<rcc>the nvidia one
19:54<rcc>from their website
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19:55<chealer>rcc: if you used nvidia-installer, it's not supported here
19:55<chealer>!nvidia-installer
19:55<dpkg>i heard nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). More specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel-related packages are upgraded or removed. Ask me about <nvidia-graphics-drivers> instead. See also <why nvidia-installer sucks>.
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19:55<rcc>well, I did try to install the one in the repository
19:55<rcc>but that ended in a black screen
19:55<rcc>that I couldn't get out of
19:55<chatzillaNow>udev starts twice is that ok
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19:56<retrospectacus>chatzillaNow: I think so, mine does too
19:57<rcc>!why nvidia-installer sucks
19:57<dpkg>nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated -- the nvidia driver will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. We recommend against using it based on extensive experience. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia>.
19:58<rcc>yeah... well if those packages would work fine people would use them, but they don't, I couldn't start X with the driver in the repository
20:00<Karburator>chatzillaNow try installing hal
20:00<diederik>rcc: what card (model) do you have and which version of debian are you using?
20:01<rcc>using squeeze
20:01<rcc>installed it a few days ago
20:01<diederik>ok, and which card do you have?
20:01<rcc>and I'm running two cards a 7600GS and a 8400GT
20:01<rcc>with 3 monitors
20:02<rcc>the wide one is the one with the issue
20:03<diederik>oh, I don't have experience with multi-monitor setups
20:03<rcc>pretty sure it would be the same really
20:04<chatzillaNow>is xorg.conf supposed to be at /etc/X11?
20:04<rcc>yeah
20:04<diederik>except for the configuration of xorg.conf and that's the relevant one
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20:05<toru>is it possible to upgrade all of the libraries to testing, but still use stable?
20:06<chatzillaNow>ok then mines missing
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20:06<rcc>gonna uninstall the nvidia drivers and try again with the ones from the repo
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20:09<chatzillaNow>got it rebooting
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20:17<rcc>!nvidia
20:17<dpkg>Install either <nouveau> (no 3D support) or the appropriate proprietary driver package for your card. For GeForce 6xxx through to some GeForce 400 series, ask me about <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>; for older series, ask about <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. For oldstable, see <nvidia lenny>. nvidia.com packages are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
20:18<diederik>rcc: you want the dkms package
20:19<rcc>thanks
20:19<rcc>!nvidia dkms
20:19<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
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20:31<chatzillaNow>same problems
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20:49<rcc>ok, installed those drivers, can't seem to enable Xinerama (I get a black screen with a cursor when I do that) and I have the same problem with the resolution
20:50<diederik>rcc: does your xorg.conf look like the one from the README?
20:50<chatzillaNow>the bugs listed above appear to be for kb only
20:50<diederik>or what you got back from dkpg?
20:50<rcc>I generated it with the NVIDIA X Server Settings
20:51<diederik>can you pastebin your xorg.conf?
20:51<rcc>where should the README file be? I can't find it
20:52<rcc>sure
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20:53<diederik>the contents of the README is about equivalent with what you got with "!nvidia dkms"
20:53<rcc>http://pastebin.com/Qz04diQT
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20:56<diederik>As far as I can judge it, it seems ok
20:57<rcc>yeah, it's the one that works, but it's not what I want
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20:57<diederik>because Monitor2 isn't working?
20:58<diederik>(the wide one, 220SW)
20:58<rcc>the problem with Monitor 3 is that it's not accepting 1280x768
20:58<rcc>sorry, monitor 2
20:58<rcc>and then there's the xinerama problem, can't enable it when more than 1 monitor is active
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20:59<diederik>iirc there are other ppl with multiple monitors having problems with xinerama
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20:59<diederik>I think your best bet would be to ask on nvidia channel on freenode, this is outside my knowledge area
21:00<rcc>ok, thanks tho
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21:02<diederik>if that doesn't work, try sending a msg to pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org
21:02<rcc>thanks
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21:07<chatzillaNow>still confused on what is causing gnome to reject mouse and kb after boot
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21:07<sney>is it just gnome or any window manager?
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21:08<wissem>hello
21:09<sney>hi
21:09<wissem>does anyone here knows a nintendo nes emlator that works on debian?
21:10<sney>nestra
21:10<chatzillaNow>gnome is the only one installed
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21:10<ZykoticK9>wissem, mednafen is in the default repo
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21:11<wissem>oh great ! thanks
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21:12<xplicit>hi there guys, I've got a question that I could use some help with if someone could spare a few minutes
21:13<chatzillaNow>before fresh install i tried installing kde but couldnt figure out how to boot kde
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21:15<diederik>chatzillaNow: installed a window manager (gdm/kdm)?
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21:16<diederik>xplicit: just ask your question
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21:17<chatzillaNow>have gdm3
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21:18<xplicit>I have gone into single user mode to add my user to sudo user group. I consulted a friend that had me do something that gave syntax error, so I did the second best thing and consulted google. Now everytime I try to save sudoers file it tells me there is still a syntex error and doesn't write what i've changed
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21:18<xplicit>syntax error near line 17: root ALL=(ALL) ALL <- line 17
21:18<th>can't find nestra, must be i386 only
21:18<kva>xplicit: can you state your error?
21:18<diederik>when you see gdm, you should be able to select which session type you want, so select kde
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21:19<xplicit>/etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 17 <<< though im sure that's of no help
21:19<ZykoticK9>xplicit, to add a user to the sudo group, as root "usermod -G sudo USERNAME_YOU_WANT_TO_ADD"
21:19<kva>xplicit: : is missing after root as it seems
21:19<diederik>i don't have gdm, so don't know how to do that, but it shouldn't be hard
21:19<xplicit>Hmm lemme try
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21:20<diederik>xplicit: don't run that command!
21:20<xplicit>kva: so it should be root: ALL=(ALL) ALL?
21:21<diederik>do "usermod -aG sudo USERNAME_YOU_WANT_TO_ADD" (note the a)
21:21<kva>xplicit: well, that's a strange idea to add root to a sudoers
21:21<ZykoticK9>diederik, what does the "append" do exactly?
21:21<xplicit>kva: that was the default
21:21<kva>anyway error where shown
21:22<diederik>without the 'a' you'll loose the groups you were in
21:22<kva>yup, root: ALL=(ALL) ALL
21:22<ZykoticK9>diederik, oh! sorry xplicit! diederik thanks.
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21:22<xplicit>kva: that didn't work at all =/ imma paste bin what is in that file, and the error
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21:23<chatzillaNow>all right i give up will reinstall
21:24<chatzillaNow>im outta my league hopefully wont happen again
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21:28<xplicit>http://pastebin.com/ab1DmZAR
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21:31<diederik>xplicit: what does the 'id' command return?
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21:33<xplicit>diederik: uid=0(root) groups=0(root) #I will add im in single user mode as root right now
21:33<diederik>why are you trying to add root to sudo? root can already do anything
21:34<xplicit>I understand that, but it was in that file by default
21:34<diederik>oh ok
21:34<xplicit>so I didn't want to change any of the defaults as silly as it seemed
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21:37<xplicit>so this may be something stupid and silly but it always asks me to save as .tmp and I take the .tmp away because I want to overwrite the file with what I've fixed. Might that be my issue?
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21:38<heino>hello
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21:40<diederik>xplicit: have you looked at http://wiki.debian.org/sudo ?
21:42<diederik>I have no experience with sudo, so (probably) won't be able to help you further
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21:43<xplicit>it's ok, at this point it seems my system just is laughing at me for being new lol. I am trying various resources to get answers, and I greatly appriciate all of your inputs
21:44<xplicit>I think you helped getting my user sudo, I just don't want to leave this file with a syntax error as is
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22:08<rcc>just came to report that I fixed both of my issues
22:09<diederik>that's great :)
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22:10<rcc>what I learned: I learned to add a new mode to a display and I also learned that the free drivers don't play nice with xinerama, they only do when you have one video card enabled
22:10<rcc>if you enable the other one, they fail
22:11<rcc>so I'd like to correct that statement that "legacy nvidia drivers suck" cuz they don't, they're actually the only ones that work the way they should
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22:16<yem5>www.fnannsat,com
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22:25<ganeshp>hello everyone, I wanted to know how to exclude mysqld from startup of my debian amd64 home desktop. I have disabled the mysql startup using sysv-rc-conf. But I can still mysql running during boot.
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22:27<retrospectacus>ganeshp: sounds like you are using dependency-based booting, so insserv -r mysql
22:28<ganeshp>retrospectacus: thank you. I will run "insserv -r mysql" as root at console
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23:08<TheOne123>hi
23:08<TheOne123>i try to convert a phpbb2 forum to phpbb3 on my debian server
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23:09<TheOne123>but the conversion or install routines are not included in the debian phpbb packages
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23:09<TheOne123>whats the reason for that?
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23:11<sney>maybe there's a licensing issue
23:11<ZykoticK9>While using the Chromium version from the Debian repo, I'm missing scrollbars on Gmail's site - this appears to be due to a Chrome/Chromium bug from around 2009. Is there a "fix" other then simply updating/downgrading to Google Chrome?
23:12<sney>you could backport the one in sid
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23:13<sney>ZykoticK9: /msg dpkg ssb for instructions on DIY backports
23:13<gsimmons>TheOne123: From UPGRADING.Debian in phpbb3 3.0.7-PL1-4: "Upgrades from phpBB version 2 are not supported, however, for some hints concerning a manual update from phpBB2 (etch), see http://bugs.debian.org/550321#25".
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23:20<tdelv>Hi Debian.
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23:20<sney>hi tdelv
23:20<tdelv>How's it going?
23:21<retrospectacus>AWESOME
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23:22<TheOne1234>gsimmons: ok that helps me, but why debian does not offer that install directory in general?
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23:23<TheOne1234>also the squeeze package does not include it
23:23<gsimmons>TheOne1234: I don't know what you mean by "install directory". The phpbb2 -> phpbb3 process appears non-trivial.
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23:24<TheOne1234>yeah that is maybe tricky, but in general phpbb offers an directory that provide 2 functions, first install and secondly forum conversion
23:25<TheOne1234>and i think forum conversion is quit useful to a lot of people
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23:27<TheOne1234>ok what ever, i need to get the official package to do the job and hopefuly than can export the forum to import it in the debian phpbb3 install
23:27<TheOne1234>bye, thanks for your help
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