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---Logopened Tue Mar 08 00:00:16 2011
00:02<luis>i don't have the option to choose browser in openoffice
00:03<luis>that's why i haven't been able to put iceweasel and it keeps using koqueror
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00:13<careet>Should I designate my 880KB boot partition as "neweorld boot partition" or just let yaboot deal with it itself?
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00:47<r0ger>what are the chances of recovering a raid 0 if i went through about 0.2% of the way through recreating the array as raid5 on accident before mdadm -S and recreating as raid0?
00:50-!-mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
00:51<bones_was_here>you've probably wiped out all the filesystem metadata, journal etc and at least the first few hundred mb, in which case you've lost data whatever happens
00:52<r0ger>that's what i was afraid of
00:52<bones_was_here>some data will be recoverable, but you've probably got a huge job getting at any of it
00:52<amitz>depending on your fs
00:53<bones_was_here>amitz: if it is an fs (rather than eg LVM)
00:53<r0ger>iirc it's ext4
00:54<amitz>bones_was_here: ah, good point. since i also don't know the kind of encapsulation lvm does.
00:54<amitz>for ext4, given no lvm, the loss parts are more likely to beyond recovery.
00:55<r0ger>the owner of the machine was prepared to lose all the data but i was trying to recover the array so that he could backup the data offsite
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00:55<r0ger>but i'd never messed with raid before
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00:56<bones_was_here>i've recovered some seriously broken md arrays but they were parity arrays and had not been overwritten with anything, really have no idea where you'd even start with this
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00:56<r0ger>and while googling i missed changing the -l to 0 when typing out a command that someone recovering a raid5 was using
00:57<bones_was_here>you should lecture the machine owner about the evils of raid0 (it doesn't even count as raid anyway)
00:57<r0ger>yeah they actually use at least raid1 on most of their stuff
00:57<sney>yeah, just aid (no r)
00:57<r0ger>this was an old setup
00:57<r0ger>i learned a good bit at least ;)
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00:58<bones_was_here>what went wrong with the raid0?
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01:00<r0ger>sdc lost it's partition table and superblock
01:01<r0ger>we think it's a hd failure but the datacenter technicians want the harddrive to be on fire before they'll replace it
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01:05<bones_was_here>haha incompetence
01:05<bones_was_here>hdds should be considered consumable parts, at least, if the data is of any value
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01:12<jspiros>I'm running wheezy/sid, and vlc-nox + the dmm ffmpeg packages doesn't allow me to transcode to mp2v with vlc (this is documented and known)
01:12<nevyn>r0ger: what does smart say?
01:12<jspiros>Is there any way for me to build vlc and ffmpeg as packages in a way that it works?
01:13<jspiros>I tried apt-get build-dep and apt-get source for both vlc and ffmpeg, built packages (fakeroot debian/rules binary?), installed them, and that did not help
01:13<jspiros>That said, I'm not very experienced with building packages from source, and I'm not really sure where to find more information on whether I need to pass arguments to stop the mpeg 2 encoder from being excluded
01:13<r0ger>nevyn: i don't have access to the server at the moment.. the datacenter put the box in "intervention" mode and the owner went offline
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01:21<clark_kent>anyone still around? having a problem with removing a package on a new squeeze upgrade
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01:23<amitz>clark_kent: was it on squeeze before?
01:24<clark_kent>amitz: no, lenny
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01:26<clark_kent>the package is libgl1-nvidia-alternatives-ia32, part of a botched attempt to upgrade my graphics ccard driver pt
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01:30<amitz>clark_kent: did you use aptitude ui, which gives you option of rsolutions?
01:30<clark_kent>no, as per the instructions I used apt-get
01:30<clark_kent>when upgrading, that is
01:31<clark_kent>squeeze upgrade is all but complete, but the driver issue remains unresolved
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01:31<clark_kent>amitz: do you recommend I try to resolve with aptitude?
01:32<amitz>the official instruction suggest aptitude fwiw. anyway, try aptitude i guess, assuming the upgrade is somewhat complete.
01:32<jm_>perhaps you should mention what the actual problem is
01:32<amitz>just make sure apt-get and aptitude are upgraded, *shrug*
01:33<clark_kent>jm_: actual problem is that dpkg complains:
01:34<clark_kent>"dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/lib32/' with different file `/usr/lib32/nvidia/diversions/', not allowed"
01:35<jm_>clark_kent: which driver are you using?
01:35<clark_kent>wanted to install the nvidia driver in the debian fashoin
01:36<clark_kent>currently using an onboard intel
01:36<clark_kent>my laptop has a hw switch to enable one vs teh other
01:36<jm_>no I mean nvidia driver version etc.
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01:38<clark_kent>jm_: latest from squeeze. nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64 (195.36.31-6
01:42<jm_>clark_kent: what does this return? careful, no pasting here -- dpkg-divert --list | grep -i gl
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01:44<clark_kent>jm_: returns diversion of /usr/lib32/ and to /usr/lib32/nvidia/diversions/<same>
01:46<jm_>clark_kent: are you sure it actually says the same filename, and not something like
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01:47<clark_kent>jm_: yes, same file name for both
01:47<jm_>clark_kent: hmm I don't have squeeze here to test yet, but this sounds wrong
01:49<clark_kent>jm_: /usr/lib32/nvidia/diversions only contains a link from to
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01:50<clark_kent>can you recommend a safe way to wipe this so I can re-install now that the upgrade is complete?
01:51<jm_>clark_kent: well make a backup of /var/lib/dpkg/diversions and edit the file
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01:53<clark_kent>jm_: ok, I see two blocks of three lines each corresponding to the pkg
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01:54<clark_kent>jm_: do you think deleting these & rerunning apt-get remove will do the trick?
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01:55<Liyan_oz>excuse me
01:55<Liyan_oz>iam from indonesia
01:56<Liyan_oz>i need to be debian development
01:56<Liyan_oz>what must i do ?
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01:56<clark_kent>Liyan_oz: try joining #debian-devel ?
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01:57<amitz>Liyan_oz: debian is merit (performance) based, where you are is irrelevant.
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01:58<Liyan_oz>amitz : thanks , i like debian and i use debian start from 2008
01:59<Liyan_oz>i need to build best debian in indonesia
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02:00<amitz>there had been similar effort in ubuntu iirc.
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02:02<Liyan_oz>i am on debian,, can you tell me what must i do ??
02:02<Liyan_oz>last time i test the ubuntu server
02:02<Liyan_oz>and maverick
02:02<mosno>Liyan_oz, before you bother #debian-devel, you need to read
02:03<Liyan_oz>thanks brother,, nice info
02:03<amitz>yeah, it's scary reading ;-)
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02:03<mosno>Liyan_oz, and just in case you missed it,
02:04<jm_>clark_kent: yeah, but question is what added them there :)
02:04<clark_kent>jm_: not sure exactly, but almost by me inadvertently
02:05<Liyan_oz>you can believe
02:05<Liyan_oz>i have more access in indonesia
02:05<jm_>clark_kent: I doubt you ran dpkg-divert by hand
02:05<clark_kent>jm_: tried to do it myself via a script posted by a fellow user of the same sony laptop
02:05<jm_>clark_kent: so you did run these commands by hand?
02:05<clark_kent>jm_: no
02:06<jm_>clark_kent: right, so probably not your fault
02:06<clark_kent>jm_: though I'm pretty sure I installed libgl1-nvidia-alternatives-ia32 via synaptic
02:07<Liyan_oz>well can i join to be debian development in indonesia ??
02:07<Liyan_oz>go Linux
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02:08<jm_>clark_kent: right, this is needed with this version AFAIK
02:08<amitz>are you tring to build a local version of debian or are you trying to be a debian developer?
02:08<Liyan_oz>yes .. now i test the kernel
02:08<Liyan_oz>i start debian from scratch
02:09<clark_kent>jm_: don't follow you, what is needed exactly?
02:09<jm_>clark_kent: the package
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02:10<Liyan_oz>indonesian now go open souurce
02:10<Liyan_oz>and Linux is evolution in indonesia
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02:10<clark_kent>jm_: ah, yes.
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02:11<mosno>Liyan_oz, your question has already been addressed
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02:20<Liyan_oz>ok thank you mosno
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02:22<Liyan_oz>mail me if you have info
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02:27<clark_kent>jm_: ahjm_: thanks for the help, I'll try to re-install strictly via synaptic
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02:28<jm_>clark_kent: sure and ask here for help if you need it
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02:30<alu>Why are there so many DVDs ? What's their order : From more "useful" (DVD1) to entirely "useless" (DVD8) ? - Debian 6.0.0 DVDs question -
02:32<amitz>for practical purposes, yes
02:32<jm_>!cd contents
02:32<dpkg>To find out what is on what disk, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at (e.g.
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02:34<alu>jm_: I saw this thanks. Hum, any names others than DVD No 1, 2, 3, 4 (I mean more verbose than 1=mandatory, 2 almost mandatory ... etc...
02:35<mehdi_>how can i get my mac address?
02:35<jm_>alu: you probably don't even need the dvd1 - it all depends on which packages you want
02:35<jm_>mehdi_: ifconfig
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02:37<mehdi_>@jm_ whichi one is it? there is only a hex code in eth is that it?
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02:38<alu>jm_: DVD1 is bootable for install no ? Others are too ?
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02:39<alu>mehdi: HWaddr
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02:41<amitz>dvd1 is bootable for install
02:41<alu>amitz: ah!
02:41<jm_>mehdi_: yes, hwaddr field
02:44<alu>Nevermind, I'm gonna burn half for both i386 and amd64, thanks.
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02:45<mehdi_>@jm_ is it work for a wireless too?
02:45<amitz>alu: are you going to have reliable internet connection? you can burn the smaller iso instead, called netinst.
02:46<jm_>mehdi_: I have no idea how it works there
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02:47<amitz>yes, for wireless too.
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03:31<Sowron>Äîáðûé äåíü. Âñåõ æåíùèí ñ ïðàçäíèêîì!!!
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03:34<Sowron>Íàðîä, ïîäñêàæèòå èç-çà ÷åãî ïîñëå íàñòðîéêè firewall íà Debian ïðè ïîäêëþ÷åíèè ê SSH ëèáî MySQL èä¸ò çàäåðæêà=29ñåêóíä???
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03:36<ssb>!tell Sowron about ru
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03:37<nisse>jm_: valgrind did the trick yeasterday.. missing defines in two of our libs (_DEBUG).. one of the worst bugs I've ever had to track down..
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03:39<jm_>nisse: valgrind++ :))
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03:40<dutchfish>why isnt clamav (latest volatile) in repo squeeze-updates? if i am right (i hope not) there aren't even any volatile updates for squeeze?
03:42<dutchfish>or is the link archives not working?
03:42<jmm_>hello guys.
03:43<dutchfish>as i understand there is no volatile.d-o anymore for squeeze?
03:44<dutchfish>see also:
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03:50<Sowron>Good day! Tell me who knows. Why, after the inclusion of firewall settings and had time delay = 29 seconds when connecting to the server via SSH and MySQL? Normally connects via HTTP ...
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03:51<Armaxis>hi guys
03:51<Armaxis>i have a problem "setenv: command not found"
03:52<Armaxis>but it seems that c-shell is installed correctly
03:52<nevyn>Sowron: did you allow dns ?
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03:53<Liyan_oz>give the screenshot for this problem
03:53<Armaxis>hm.. just tried "dpkg --list c-shell"
03:53<Armaxis>and it showed prefix "un"
03:53<Armaxis>seems like i need to unpack it :D
03:53<jm_>surely you mean tcsh or somesuch
03:53<nevyn>Sowron: test on your server host <ip of host you're sshing from>
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03:55<Liyan_oz>check your host bro
03:55<cthuluh>Armaxis: you mean, to install it
03:55<Armaxis>but in aptitude it shows "i"
03:56<cthuluh>Armaxis: don't use directly dpkg, use one of its front-ends
03:56<cthuluh>fine. then launch 'csh'
03:56<Armaxis>what next?
03:57<cthuluh>try 'setenv'
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03:57<cthuluh>but... c-shell is a meta-package...
03:57<Liyan_oz>ssh or csh ?
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03:58<Liyan_oz>owh s-shell
03:58<Liyan_oz>c-shellok ok
03:59<cthuluh>Armaxis: a meta-package can't be 'installed'. you need to install tcsh or csh, that provide the C shell functionality
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03:59<bschneider>I have a problem, after a upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze my mysql server don't want to start again
04:00<bschneider>dpkg say that it's a dependency problem
04:00<dpkg>that it's a dependency problem
04:00<bschneider>dpkg: yes
04:00<dpkg>really??? wohoo!
04:01<bschneider>any idear ?
04:01<Armaxis>Cthuluh: i have both tsch and csh installed
04:02<cthuluh>Armaxis: then launch 'csh' or 'tcsh' and you're done
04:02<cthuluh>bschneider: paste the relevant informations on a pastebin (errors, logs, etc)
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04:03<bschneider>cthuluh: it's in frensh
04:03<cthuluh>bschneider: then either put the error message in english, by using : LC_ALL=C ./your-command-that-produces-logs
04:03<cthuluh>or ask #debian-fr
04:04<Armaxis>thanks, oh great Catholooo!
04:04<Armaxis>now i understand why in my manual I have "%" symbol before setenv command :D
04:05<bschneider>cthuluh: thanks I make a pasbin ;)
04:05<Armaxis>aya, Dagon!
04:06<cthuluh>Armaxis: what I don't understand is why you need the C shell...
04:06<Armaxis>oh, I'm just configuring Globus Toolkit
04:07<bschneider>I have no log ...
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04:07<cthuluh>the problem is mysql-server-5.1. did you do a 'apt-get install -f'?
04:08<bschneider>cthuluh: non
04:08<cthuluh>then do it
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04:09<bschneider>cthuluh: same problem but end with: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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04:11<cthuluh>bschneider: then read the mysql-server-5.1 postinstall script to see what went wrong
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04:12<vitor>Hi, somebody can help me ? i want to make one Ftp with Vsftpd, but my problems is when i connect i cant stay, i have a problem with iptables, What can i Do ?
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04:13<cthuluh>vitor: start with reading why ftp and firewalls don't mix up very well
04:13<cthuluh>!ftp must die
04:13<dpkg>FTP MUST DIE! . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP:
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04:15<vitor>cthuluh, who can i open all doors?
04:17<cthuluh>with netfilter? simply use the default debian configuration : no firewall configuration
04:17<vitor>yes becouse i dont now all doors i need to make my pasv work.
04:19<cthuluh>all I know is that you run debian and vsftpd, you didn't describe your problem ("when i connect i cant stay") is not a description
04:19<cthuluh>s/)//; s/$/)/
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04:20<vitor>ok ..
04:20<vitor>R] Data Socket Error: Connection timed out
04:20<vitor>[R] List Error
04:20<vitor>[R] PASV mode failed, trying PORT mode.
04:20<vitor>[R] Listening on PORT: 60597, Waiting for connection.
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04:21<vitor>sorry ..
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04:22<vitor>[R] List Error
04:22<vitor>[R] PASV mode failed, trying PORT mode.
04:22<vitor>[R] Listening on PORT: 60597, Waiting for connection.
04:22<vitor>[R] PORT 213,163,64,71,236,181
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04:23<cthuluh>vitor: *plonk*
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04:25<vitor>cthuluh, do u understand my problem?
04:25<Lethalman>vitor, you have any firewall?
04:27<vitor>no ... only iptables.
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04:31<Lethalman>vitor, you have any port blocked then?
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04:32<vitor>i think so ... how can i find my configs of iptables?
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04:40<SynrG>vitor: the iptables package does not, itself, provide any configs that I recall
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04:42<dpkg>[iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see . #netfilter on See also <lartc>, <masq>.
04:43<jmm_>is there some place where I can get latest lenny netinstall CD ?
04:43<themill>dpkg: tell jmm_ about install lenny
04:43<jmm_>thanks a lot themill .
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04:59<EmleyMoor>What's the correct demonym for someone from Goole?
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05:10<SynrG>EmleyMoor: surely you must not fail to see the irony of asking this here instead of, say, googling for the answer?
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05:12<EmleyMoor>It's not Googleable as it's too close to Google
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05:14<SynrG>eh. you fail at googling then. i found it fairly quickly :)
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06:00<fixl>hi guys. where can i find good references on how to set up e.g. an svn server on debian?
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06:02<CaBa>fixl: read the svn book... there are plenty of things to think about when setting up an svn server, there are different ways and they are all well explained in the book
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06:10<dpkg>[lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager ( Resources:, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>,, IRC: #lvm on
06:11<duyetpc>co ai nguoi viet nam ko
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06:12<dEhiN>is there a non-us package repository for amd64?
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06:13<babilen>fixl: You might also want to consider a DVCS, but that is entirely up to you
06:13<gsimmons>dEhiN: Not for some time ; /msg dpkg non-us
06:14<bschneider>hi again
06:14<dEhiN>gsimmons: Thanks, wasn't aware of the changes
06:14<bschneider>after a upgrade from lenny to squeeze, I can't access to cacti, I think it's a apache-ssl problem
06:15<bschneider>did anyone have a problem like that ?
06:16<dEhiN>how do I figure out my partition and lvm info? I want to note it down in a text file I'm creating of the info of all my machines but I forget the sizes I set when installing debian
06:16<jmm_>I've got a problem with a custom debian install CD I made, install was working fine before, but now while in 'installing software' it just hang, looking at the log I see some .debs aren't certified and I must say yes to ignore the warning. note it's not interactive, I can't write yes .
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06:17<babilen>!tell jmm_ -about 5% error
06:18<jmm_>thanks babilen.
06:18<gsimmons>dEhiN: You can use fdisk/sfdisk/parted to list partition information, lvs/lvdisplay for logical volume sizes.
06:18<jmm_>it happend to me a 8% trough.
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06:18<dEhiN>gsimmons: ok, thanks
06:19<babilen>jmm_: Well :)
06:19<jmm_>lemme try this fix.
06:19<babilen>jmm_: You probably want to sign your packages and get your key in the archive keyring though
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06:21<jmm_>do you have any documentation on how I can do that for the CD ?
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06:24<fixl>CaBa: I'll have a read at it ... but i thought more in terms of, when i have the domain "" and want an my repo to be available at say "" for example
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06:24<fixl>where should i start looking?
06:25<themill>fixl: you need to ask what protocol you are talking about first. Then look at the documentation for serving the repo via that particular protocol.
06:26<fixl>babilen: dvcs ... git?
06:26<babilen>jmm_: Not off hand.
06:26<babilen>fixl: Yes, something like git (hg, bzr, darcs, ...)
06:26<jmm_>babilen: I'll manage to fix that, thanks again.
06:26<babilen>jmm_: You could ask in #debian-custom and/or #debian-cd
06:26<dEhiN>another issue that has been bugging me is whenever I start my debian linux box, I see this line at the end of the init verbose (right above the login on tty1:
06:27<dEhiN>startpar: service(s) returned failure: ctdb vboxadd-service ... failed! (vbox because my linux box is running as a vm using VirtualBox
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06:27<dEhiN>any ideas how to figure out why these services are failing and fix it?
06:27<jmm_>babilen: roger.
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06:29<fixl>themill: can you give me a push in the right direction?
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06:33<themill>fixl: well, you need to decide if you want to configure this for https://svn.example... in which case you'll configure apache, or if you want svn://svn.example... in which case you'll need to configure svnserve, or if you want to configure svn+ssh://svn.example.... in which case you'll need to configure ssh (and perhaps svnserve). There are advantages and disadvantages in all three methods, the redbean book talks about that in detail.
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06:44<fixl>themill: think you very much. i'll have a look into it
06:44<jm_>dEhiN: start by checking what they do, see if they log anything etc.
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06:46<dEhiN>jm_: well the vboxadd-service would probably be starting the vbox-service to allow for the guest additions (things like seamless integration, etc.)
06:46<dEhiN>jm_: I'm not sure about ctdb
06:46<dEhiN>how would I start them manually?
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06:51<jm_>dEhiN: man invoke-rc.d
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06:57<babilen>dEhiN: and "man service" -- invoke-rc.d is apparently not meant to be used by users
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07:02<amitz>babilen: oh? the man of invoke-rc.d doesn't say that
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07:05<prem>is there a way to dynamically resize my running debian parition..?
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07:05<prem>without using any other live cds or booting into other partitions..?
07:05<Tiff>If it's in an LVM, maybe.
07:06<prem>Tiff, no its a normal install.,is it possible..?
07:07<dEhiN>prem: what type of partition is it?
07:08<prem>dEhiN, its ext3 partition
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07:11<Tiff>is it the root partition or another partition that is unmountable?
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07:12<dEhiN>prem: are you trying to increase the size?
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07:17<KOJIbKA>i'm trying to adjust Synaptics Touchpad output from . if you look here can you tell weather module is successfully loaded or not. Re: last line in code
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07:36<mercutio22>I made a mistake, crashed my window manager. How can I run a command in a tty and export it to DISPLAY where gnome is? I can't recall
07:37<jm_>DISPLAY=:0.0 foo
07:38<mercutio22>jm_: yeah... now I remember. Thanks
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07:42<babilen>amitz: Ah, disregard that. I was thinking of update-rc.d -- /me gets more coffee. Still, 'service' seems to crystalize as the preferred service management front-end.
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07:45<amitz>babilen: but I reemmber sysctl can only be invoked by update-rc.d fwiw
07:45<antonio>hello! anyone can help me with a driver of sis 671/771
07:46<dEhiN>is there any command to undo an aptitude removal/uninstall of various packages?
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07:46<dEhiN>or if I reinstall said packages, will the settings files still exist?
07:47<jm_>depends on how you uninstalled it
07:47<antonio>any help?
07:47<babilen>amitz: I am referring to
07:47<babilen>dEhiN: remove or purge?
07:48<dEhiN>jm_: I deselected the packages in aptitude and ran the (u)date command
07:48<jm_>dEhiN: well aptitude has - and _
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07:49<amitz>babilen: ah
07:49<dEhiN>I deselected using -
07:50<jm_>that's remove so you should have config files still left
07:50<babilen>dEhiN: If you purged them the configuration files (and your modifactions *if any*) have been removed. That doesn't really matter if you haven't made any changes. If you've removed them the configuration files are still there. Regardless of purge/remove a "aptitude install PKG1 ... PKGN" will install the packages again.
07:50<dEhiN>jm_: what does _ do?
07:50<jm_>dEhiN: purge
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07:50<dEhiN>I see...well I removed them since up until now I never knew I could purge packages
07:51<prem>dEhiN, sorry for the late reply..yes am trying to increase the size of the parition
07:51<prem>is it possible..?
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07:52<babilen>!tell prem -about resize2fs
07:52<dpkg>resize2fs is a filesystem resize utility for <ext2>/<ext3>/<ext4>, provided by the e2fsprogs package: man 8 resize2fs. Growing ext3/ext4 while online requires the resize_inode filesystem feature to be set (only possible during filesystem creation).
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07:53<babilen>prem: I would recommend to use gparted (preferrably their live cd)
07:53<dEhiN>gparted has a live cd??
07:53<prem>babilen, yeah.,i know about gparted.,but say if the parition is a running under a vmware
07:54<babilen>Any other live cd can also be used. My choice is grml, but your needs might be different.
07:54<prem>and has got only terminal access.,and no other extra partitions..
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07:54<dEhiN>prem: what do you mean the partition is running under a vmware?
07:54<dEhiN>do you mean the partition is part of a guest os?
07:54<babilen>prem: resize2fs will grow the filesystem, you'll have to resize the partition prior to this. fdisk can do that, but gparted is probably easier to handle
07:54<prem>dEhiN, yes
07:55<prem>dEhiN, is a resize possible in such condition..?
07:55<babilen>prem: You can typically specify the size of the partitions for the Guest OS. Just increase that size in using whatever VM management tool is appropriate and resize2fs the filesystem
07:55<prem>babilen, and this can be applied in a running mounted partition..?
07:55<dEhiN>prem: your virtual machine should have a cd drive attached to it (unless you didn't attach one in the vm settings), so you can insert the live cd and attach it through the vm cd drive
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07:56<babilen>prem: Note the last sentence in the private message dpkg send you
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07:56<dEhiN>babilen: in this case, prem needs to resize the partition in debian, not use the vm management tool
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07:56<dEhiN>unless the virtual disk needs to be resized as well
07:57<babilen>dEhiN: Which is probably the case, but yes, thanks for the clarification
07:57<bschneider>I have a php problem on a upgrated debian from lenny to squeeze
07:57<prem>dEhiN, yeah actually the virtual disk size is 20gb but the installed parition takes only 1Gb
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07:57<prem>and the rest 19gb is left as free space..
07:57<bschneider>cacti make error:
07:58<bschneider>I think it's a apache configuration problem
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07:58<bschneider>but I don't know how to fixe it
07:58<bschneider>any idear ?
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07:59<zy>Hi everyone, Does order of the forwards for type forward zones in bind9 configuration matter? If I want to specify one main upstream, and a backup upstream which is only queried when the main one failed, what should I do ?
07:59<dEhiN>prem: so then you don't have to resize the virtual disk...use fdisk or gparted or some partition resizing utility to grow your partition in debian, then use resize2fs (or whatever the command is) to resize the file system
08:00<dEhiN>you might want to create a snapshot of the vm first just in case
08:01<babilen>dEhiN: prem is gone. I was just about to recommend parted, but meh ...
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08:01<alvin>Where can the CPU temperature be read? /proc/acpi/thermal_zone is empty
08:02<dEhiN>babilen: thanks for letting me know, my brain automatically filters out / skips the server messages
08:03<jm_>alvin: depends on interface and kernel version, new ones have it in /sys/class/hwmon for lmsensors
08:03<babilen>dEhiN: No problem. :)
08:04<dEhiN>i need some partition planning help; i'm going to set up a new debian box specifically to be a web, database, print and perhaps file server
08:05<dEhiN>I know I won't need a separate /home partition, as apart from root I'll only have one other user
08:05<dEhiN>I don't think I'll need a separate /usr partition, but should I have one?
08:05<dEhiN>and what else should I have a separate partitions - /tmp, /opt, and /var?
08:05<sret>how to check the size of the terminal window?
08:06<babilen>dEhiN: You probably want a large and seperate /var ... The rest is just a matter of personal preferences. I would use LVM which lets you fiddle with the partition sizes easily later on.
08:06<dEhiN>babilen: I plan to use lvm
08:06<babilen>dEhiN: I don't see why you would need /opt ... /srv might come in handy as the place where you store all the files the fileserver should serve
08:08<dEhiN>babilen: well I plan to use my external hard drive(s) for said files, and if I eventually create a file server, have it access those external drives
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08:08<alvin>jm_: thanks. That dir is empty, but now I know where to search
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08:08<babilen>dEhiN: Ok. I just wanted to make you aware of /srv
08:09<jm_>alvin: are any modules loaded?
08:09<babilen>dEhiN: The database(s) typically live in /var hence the need for a sufficiently large /var
08:09<sret>anyone on how i can check what my terminal window size is?
08:09<alvin>jm_: I remember letting lm-sensors look for modules, but not finding any (Tried it last week)
08:09<jm_>sret: no, not anyone knows
08:09<dEhiN>babilen: so I don't need to worry about a big /opt?
08:10<jm_>alvin: sensors-detect script?
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08:10<sret>jm_: im googling but i cant get it
08:10<alvin>jm_: Yes, that one. I'll retry
08:10<sret>im not trying to be difficult am i
08:10<@Ganneff>echo $COLUMNS
08:10<babilen>dEhiN: A seperate /var also guards against excessive logging eating up all the space. A seperate /usr would have the advantage that you could mount it read-only (and automatically have it remounted rw when you install packages)
08:10<jm_>sret: stty -a will tell you
08:10<jm_>alvin: which CPU?
08:10<babilen>dEhiN: What do you want to use /opt for?
08:10<sret>thakns Ganneff jm_
08:10<alvin>Intel i5 with Intel mobo
08:11<er2>hello i just install debian 6 squeeze and when i move any windows it moves very slow can anyone solve it?
08:11<jm_>right, you might need a newer kernel if coretemp moduel doesn't find it
08:11<devil>er2: what gfx card?
08:11<alvin>jm_: Probably. This is what I get: "Note: there is no driver for Nuvoton W83677HG-I Super IO Sensors yet."
08:11<dEhiN>babilen: what goes in /opt? I thought it was runtime temp files used by webservers and/or databases
08:12<er2>devil: ati radeon hd 2600
08:12<@Ganneff>nothing goes in /opt on any sane system
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08:12<dEhiN>so why have /opt?
08:12<devil>er2: is firmware-linux-nonfree installed?
08:12<babilen>dEhiN: No, those typically live in /var -- /var/lib/postgresql for PostgreSQL for example. (The only sane choice btw ;-þ)
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08:12<er2>devil: no , how can i install it?
08:13<jm_>alvin: ahh
08:13<dEhiN>babilen: well I plan to set up joomla for my own site, and i believe it only works with MySQL
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08:13<devil>er2: you need to add 'contrib nonfree' to the debian repo line in your sources
08:13<sret>what is the recommended terminal window size?
08:13<alvin>jm_: lol. Thanks. That looks fairly recent
08:13<sret>ive got 80 columns now
08:14<sret>speed is 38400 baud
08:14<@Ganneff>sret: "whatever fits the user"
08:14<babilen>dEhiN: I am asking you, why you think you need /opt. See + for a thorough discussion of that
08:15<babilen>dEhiN: Use MySQL if you need it. I just prefer psql ...
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08:15<dEhiN>babilen: ok, I'll take a look at those for why I mentioned why, and since what I thought goes in /opt doesn't, then I can live with /opt on my / partition
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08:16<dEhiN>will lvm allow me to runtime add more space to a logical partition?
08:16<sret>Ganneff: ok
08:16<babilen>dEhiN: It is not created by default. Some "optional add-on application packages" (think, for example, upstream firefox or an oracle db) live there ...
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08:18<er2>devil: i have the non free repo and its =
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08:20<gsimmons>dEhiN: (re LVM) Yes, if there are enough free physical extents available.
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08:20<babilen>dEhiN: Huh? If you use LVM you typically think in terms of "Physical Volumes (PV)" (think harddisks/partitions) and "Logical Volumes (LVs)" (think / /var /home) -- A bunch of others exist. Read a good LVM tutorial
08:21<winnie_>hello everyone
08:21<winnie_>what is considered normal bootup time for debian - gnome?
08:21<er2>hello i just install debian 6 squeeze and when i move any windows it moves very slow can anyone solve it?
08:22<devil>er2: did you install what i said?
08:22<SynrG>winnie_: highly variable depending on hardware, so it's pointless to talk about "normal"
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08:22<er2>devil: yes
08:22<winnie_>sorry in a modern laptop with sata II and intel core 2 duo
08:22<babilen>winnie_: And the services you have installed
08:22<dEhiN>babilen: sorry I meant logical volume; gsimmons: yes, I was assuming that I would have, or I would add as need be
08:23<devil>er2: did you restart X to make it work?
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08:23<winnie_>very basic i just have compiz, and its at 1 min 15 secs
08:23<devil>er2: and it does not work
08:23<Torsten_W>er2, check /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf
08:23<babilen>dEhiN: Yes, they are easily resizable. Note that you need sufficient free space (or PEs physical extents) to grow them :)
08:23<Torsten_W>er2, also paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a pastebin
08:23<SynrG>winnie_: still highly variable because it doesn't factor in things like BIOS slowness, etc. look, it's a complicated topic, so all i can advise is: measure carefully, examine how long each thing takes, and then optimize (if you're concerned you're going too slow)
08:24<er2>devil: only displays options radeon modeset=1
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08:24<devil>er2: who displays what?
08:24<winnie_>is there a good tool that logs how long each things takes to load?
08:24<er2>devil: /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf
08:24<devil>er2: i didnt ask for that.
08:24<SynrG>winnie_: you may find useful
08:25<devil>er2: i asked if you installed firmware-linux-nonfree
08:25<SynrG>winnie_: yes. bootchart. it's mentioned on that page.
08:25<winnie_>thank you i'll check the site out
08:25<babilen>winnie_: How often do you boot your system? A tool to measure this is, for example bootchart or bootchart2
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08:26<winnie_>another thing have a nfs share on my local network which mounted automatically without any problems by adding:
08:26<er2>devil: wait im installing it
08:26<er2>devil: installed
08:26<winnie_> /home/server nfs in my fstab
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08:26<devil>er2: restart X#
08:27<winnie_>but after being away from my home network for 5 days it wont mount automatically at boot
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08:27<er2>devil: doesn´t find the command :S
08:28<winnie_>sorry this is my fstab: /home/server nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr
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08:29<devil>er2: maybe reboot is easiest for you.
08:29<er2>devil: oks 1 sec
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08:30<winnie_>i justed swiched my default shell to dash will that have an impact on scripts i use on my system=
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08:31<babilen>winnie_: Just those that rely on the assumption that /bin/sh == /bin/bash
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08:31<winnie_>and i should change all my scripts to /bin/dash then=
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08:31<babilen>winnie_: (and contain bashisms) -- You might want to run "checkbashisms" on your scripts
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08:32<er2>devil: rebooted and its =
08:32<babilen>winnie_: No, change them to /bin/bash if they use bash specific syntax/functionality
08:32<devil>what is =?
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08:32<devil>er2: dpkg -l | grep firmware-linux-nonfree
08:32<babilen>winnie_: The "checkbashisms" script is part of the devscripts package.
08:32<winnie_>sorry it was meant as a questionmark :) stupid swedish keyboard
08:33<er2>devil: ii firmware-linux-nonfree 0.28 Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel
08:33<devil>er2: should work*
08:33<winnie_>will that checkbashisms change all my script automatically?
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08:34<babilen>winnie_: No, which scripts are we talking about? Do you have a plethora of scripts written for BASH that have "/bin/sh" in the shebang line?
08:34<winnie_>at least 10
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08:35<winnie_>personalized scripts i've written that i find extremly usefull
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08:35<babilen>winnie_: Thats not a lot. Just edit them and replace /bin/sh with /bin/bash (which is correct as you actually want bash not just any POSIX compliant shell)
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08:36<winnie_>ok so /bash will work
08:36<babilen>winnie_: Or port them to dash -- checkbashisms will tell you what is bash specific about them.
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08:36<babilen>winnie_: Sure
08:36<winnie_>alrighty then
08:36<babilen>winnie_: I am just talking about those scripts that have "#!/bin/sh" but are actually bash scripts and therefore need "#!/bin/bash" instead
08:37<winnie_>any ideas about my nfs share?
08:37<winnie_>i am sorry but i really dont have the technical knowledge behind scripting
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08:38<mrc>hi! i added wheezy repository along squeeze's one but I cannot configure pinning
08:38<mrc>Package: *
08:38<mrc>Pin: release n=wheezy
08:38<mrc>Pin-Priority: 200
08:38<mrc>but apt-policy gave my priority 900 to wheezy packages
08:39<mrc>apt-cache policy*
08:39<winnie_>thnx for all the help guys i'll be rebooting
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08:41<SynrG>mrc: perhaps you have some other policy that overrides it? something leftover (from before the squeeze release) for 'testing' perhaps?
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08:42<SynrG>check both /etc/apt/preferences and /etc/apt/preferences.d/
08:42<mrc>SynrG: where they could be? in /etc/apt/preferences.d/?
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08:42<mrc>i will
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08:42<babilen>mrc: You might also want to consider just setting the default release. Also running a mixed stable+testing system is not really recommended. You can use backports or backport selected packages yourself.
08:43<babilen>!tell mrc -about default release
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08:43<mrc>SynrG: /etc/apt/preferences.d/ is empty while in /etc/apt/preferences there the three line I pasted before
08:43<babilen>mrc: /msg dpkg ssb + /msg dpkg bdo
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08:45<mrc>babilen: thank you, default-release was setup to testing, now everything works
08:46<babilen>mrc: Still: Running a mixed system is not recommended. Using stable + bdo + ssb OR just running testing/sid is a much better choice.
08:47<mrc>what are bdo and ssb? I just need a small packages update with no dependencies (virtualenvwrapper)
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08:57<SynrG>mrc: did you ask dpkg bot as babilen suggested? it will explain those topics
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09:05<praecom>hi, has anyone squeeze with bonding interfaces in use? i have the problem, that the squeeze server doesn't start, when i activate bonding interfaces.
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09:08<dpkg>bonding is probably configuring two NICs with same IP address, increasing throughput and providing failover. For setup instructions, see . See also . Older information at
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09:10<babilen>praecom: Do you get any errors? It surely just fails to turn on, but encounters a problem during the boot. It might help to know what that is.
09:11<praecom>on lenny it works for years perfect. only if i update the lenny server to squeeze, it doesn't boot. on - Tom says: "... that module-init-tools package ist buggy..."
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09:14<SynrG>praecom: it is generally unhelpful to say "foo is buggy, don't use it" and then not link to the bug# :(
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09:15<SynrG>praecom: considering that bug is from *April* of last year, ...
09:15<SynrG>one would hope there would be progress on it (whatever it was ... Tom seems to think we all should be able to figure it out on our own) between that time and the Squeeze release.
09:16<babilen>I don't see a bonding related bug for module-init-tools
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09:17<SynrG>and if he thought it was buggy and didn't file a bug at all, shame on him
09:17<SynrG>he gets what he deserves if it's still broken now :p
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09:18<praecom>SynrG: sorry - yes, but i still can't find any actuall information about that problem.
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09:19<SynrG>right. so assume a local problem, and debug it as such until you can prove otherwise. first, you need any error output that may be occurring.
09:19<SynrG>basically, you can ignore tom's report as irrelevant, since he gives no details
09:20<rootmos>is there a netinstaller that support wpa?
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09:20<SynrG>rootmos: it's being worked on for wheezy. i don't know the status. but squeeze doesn't support it.
09:20<gsimmons>rootmos: No.
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09:20<rootmos>ok, thanks.
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09:21<winnie_>alright i managed to knock off 15 seconds of my boot time to 1 minute
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09:21<SynrG>winnie_: is that from a cold start, or from the boot prompt?
09:21<winnie_>obviously i've done quite a lot of things to this install that i no longer remember
09:21<winnie_>cold start
09:22<winnie_>my question is: is one minute normal for debian or should i do a clean install that i dont **** up
09:22<SynrG>i said before and i'll say it again, there is no "normal" value. it's meaningless to talk about that.
09:22<winnie_>alright :)
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09:22<SynrG>did you measure time from cold start to boot prompt? and have you set the timeout on the boot prompt as low as you can?
09:23<winnie_>completely cold start
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09:23<SynrG>some BIOSes can be assisted by accelerators of some kind ...
09:23<winnie_>i know, mine doesnt
09:23<winnie_>but its on 3-4 secs anyway
09:23<winnie_>but ok this is not even a problem
09:23<winnie_>i can live with one minute
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09:24<winnie_>i just like to tweak my installs so really it isnt an issue
09:24<winnie_>thnx for all the help though it did knock off 10 secs
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09:24<SynrG>faster boots are definitely possible.
09:24<SynrG>booting from an SSD will help greatly
09:24<winnie_>i do have a 4200 rpm hard drive though :)
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09:24<SynrG>booting from my vertex 2 to an autologged-in desktop takes 15 seconds.
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09:25<winnie_>yeah sony vaio with nvidia 9thousand something intel core 2 duo 4 gb ram, two years old, and they go and put in a 4200 rpm hard drive
09:25<winnie_>go figure
09:25<SynrG>that's without herculean efforts to optimize it
09:25<winnie_>i am really really tempted into buying a hybrid hd, one with ssd and a normal hard drive
09:25<winnie_>those go on about 150 american dollars
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09:26<SynrG>i ruled that out for reliability. i don't want a spinning drive at all in the netbook
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09:27<winnie_>ah, but this is my primarly computer
09:27<SynrG>i'd hate to sink money in a hybrid only to have it fail prematurely due to getting knocked around
09:27<SynrG>right. makes sense then
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09:27<winnie_>i ruled out an atom because of browsing >> flash
09:27<SynrG>really? nahh. modern atoms are fine.
09:27<winnie_>i havent tried the dual core
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09:27<SynrG>anyway, rather OT and should be continued on #debian-offtopic if at all :)
09:28<winnie_>i tend to loose track
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09:28<winnie_>i dont want to ask the same question 3 times but maybe you guys missed it?
09:28<winnie_>about my nfs share?
09:29<SynrG>yeah. if you find a solution, let me know :)
09:29<SynrG>same problem with my media system up in the livingroom :p
09:29<SynrG>i did a bit of searching but found no answer. sorry.
09:29<winnie_>what?! you can have a computer problem too? i wouldn't think so
09:29<SynrG>all i can point you at is the responsible script ...
09:30<winnie_>you mean writing a script that mounts it on request?
09:30<SynrG>no, i mean the one that's already on your system
09:30<SynrG>that takes care of this when your interfaces come up
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09:30<winnie_>ah i see
09:30<SynrG>or is supposed to, and fails for both you and me
09:30<winnie_>the weird thing was that it did work FINE
09:31<winnie_>untill i left with my laptop for a week....
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09:32<xianze>hi ! =)
09:32<babilen>xianze: ni hao
09:32<Karburator>Thinking about to put my Debian on JFS formated partition, is this a wise choice?
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09:33<abcd82>im only one having issue with evince_2.30.3-3_i386? open any pdf then press C+i to invert colors, evince crashes, rolled back to evince_2.30.3-2_i386 works fine
09:33<babilen>Karburator: It is a sane choice. Others exist, but this is one and you certainly have your reasons for it.
09:33<Karburator>I am just experimenting
09:33<babilen>,versions evince
09:33<judd>Package evince on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.2-4~lenny1; squeeze: 2.30.3-2; sid: 2.30.3-3; wheezy: 2.30.3-3
09:33<xianze>just joined to say that i love debian =) ^^ altough the PXE-boot on one of my servers was abit tricky it finally worked =)
09:34<xianze>(pxe install..)
09:34<babilen>abcd82: I have no problems with 2.30.3-3 on amd64
09:34<abcd82>judd: im on testing, used debs from stable
09:35<abcd82>guess will need to pin 3-2 for a while
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09:36<SynrG>xianze: it's nice to be loved :)
09:36<babilen>abcd82: You might want to check the changelog for 3-2 → 3-3 for something that might cause this error. I don't see it, but you might want to report a bug if this is reproducible with multiple documents.
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09:37<babilen>abcd82: But note that I am running sid and have not encountered that problem (on amd64 with ati graphics and probably a trillion of other differences with your system)
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09:43<dpkg>#540291:I[initscripts] initscripts: fails to mount NFS shares at boot (); Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:12:01 UTC []
09:44<abcd82>babilen: red changelog , but it contains nothing useful, at least nothing useful to me, will try to upgrade one more time
09:44<SynrG>bah. winnie's gone. ah well, will play with this myself.
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09:49<ballison>i went to install Debian (lenny) off a netboot install disk yesterday and the installer just hung on me.
09:49<ballison>it let me go through the selection of what i wanted to install (web server, dns server, desktop, base... etc) but then on the next screen hung
09:49<xianze>SynrG: ;)
09:50<ballison>is that because lenny is no longer the stable version?
09:50<ballison>and if so, how do you make the netboot install disk install lenny?
09:51<SynrG>no. should be fine. check alt-f4 for errors
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09:51<abcd82>babilen: narrowed problem to libevince2_2.30.3-3_i386.deb when upgrading this package bug shows up
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09:52<babilen>abcd82: Great. You might want to file a bug. Not sure if that is not only due to you running wheezy which is still in great flux ...
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09:53<babilen>abcd82: Does this happen with *all* PDFs or just a particular subset? Could you provide a link to one of the problematic ones?
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09:53<SynrG>ballison: you're talking about 5.0.8, right? hmm, does say "some of these installation images ... may no longer work" so i dunno
09:54<abcd82>babilen: i tried 20 or so
09:54<SynrG>still, i'd start with looking for errors in alt-f4
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09:55<babilen>abcd82: And all show that problem? I just would like to reproduce that problem. Could you link one of the problematic PDFs?
09:55<abcd82>babilen: Applications/System\ Tools\Reportbug? never done that before
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10:00<abcd82>babilen: tried first 5 of them
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10:02<abcd82>babilen: evince: /build/buildd-cairo_1.8.10-6-i386-6jOwL1/cairo-1.8.10/src/cairo-misc.c:380: _cairo_operator_bounded_by_source: Assertion `NOT_REACHED' failed. Aborted; this shows in console
10:03<babilen>abcd82: no problem here
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10:19<winnie_>SynrG: Still there? :D :D :D
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10:22<SynrG>winnie_: yeah. found a relevant bug for the nfs issue ...
10:22<SynrG>!dbugs 540291
10:22<dpkg>#540291:I[initscripts] initscripts: fails to mount NFS shares at boot (); Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:12:01 UTC []
10:22<jerryclunsford>Where can I find out about hardware compatibility?
10:22<winnie_>after searching around there seemed to be many different solutions that worked for different ppl but none for me
10:23<winnie_>i decided to check my /var/log/messages
10:23<jerryclunsford>that would be with debian Lenny
10:23<winnie_>if-up.d/mountnfs[wlan0]: if-up.d/mountnfs[wlan0]: lock /var/run/network/mountnfs exist, not mounting
10:23<winnie_>so i went ahead and deleted the /var/run/network/mountfs directory
10:23<winnie_>and it worked!
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10:24<SynrG>hm. yeah, i saw mention made of that somewhere. but shouldn't that be cleaned up at shutdown?
10:24<SynrG>and isn't it recreated?
10:24<winnie_>it didnt recreate
10:25<SynrG>ah, apparently not ... mine is dated Aug 7.
10:25<winnie_>did i just help you?
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10:26<SynrG>probably. i have two affected systems and they both have this directory, both dating back to august
10:26<winnie_>well try it out then
10:26<winnie_>:D :D :D
10:26<SynrG>i can't reboot either of them right now. will schedule a reboot for the first possible convenience. thanks.
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10:27<winnie_>for me this is a big moment
10:27<babilen>!tell jerryclunsford -about hcl
10:27<babilen>jerryclunsford: It typically boils down to the kernel
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11:06<ballison>when I ask a question on #debian - i'm told to go to #debian-mentors. when I ask a question on #debian-mentors, I'm told to go to #debian... ....
11:06<OdyX>ballison: Lenny is "oldstable", there is usually no point in installing it.
11:07<ballison>OdyX: except that's what our code was QA'ed on, so that's all I'm allowed to install
11:07<OdyX>ballison: It is maybe possible to install it using lenny netinst images and expert mode.
11:07<ballison>so I need to install lenny
11:07<ballison>OdyX: Is that documented somewhere?
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11:07<OdyX>ballison: let me google that for you…
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11:08<ballison>OdyX: good luck. I've been googling and all I find are the old ways to isntall lenny. Back when lenny was stable.
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11:08<ballison>Which of course fails now.
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11:09<ballison>found it
11:09<ballison>the keyword needed was "oldstable"
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11:09<ballison>which basically says the only option is to make a full install CD of lenny
11:10<mobildorn>Should be fairly simple as long it is not archived.
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11:10<mobildorn>I'd give debootstrap I try. Boot from some Knoppix or grml CD, partition the destination drive, create your filesystems and finally say something like:
11:11<mobildorn>debootstrap /mnt/target lenny
11:11<mobildorn>Afterwards, don't forget to setup a kernel and a bootloader -- and that's it.
11:13<ballison>mobiledorn: THat was my mistake yesterday when I tried. The installer hung after I selected "base install" , so I dropped into shell, killed aptitude, and did an apt-get of openssh-server and such, but forgot to install grub and a kernel (doh!)
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11:16<ballison>mobildorn: Did you mean: debootstrap lenny /mnt/target
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11:19<ballison>i'm not sure what that actually does.
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11:20<ballison>is there an install guide that walks you through installing lenny via a netinstall now that lenny is "oldstable" ?
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11:20<sney>I think the best way to install lenny now would just be to find lenny cd1
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11:24<ballison>argh! they don't have an iso ???
11:24<ballison> no iso
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11:25<sney>ballison: bittorrent would be the way I'd go.
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11:26<ansgar>ballison: The full images seem to be still there.
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11:27<sney>ah, indeed they are
11:28<ballison>also found them here - >
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11:28<ballison>but 5 DVD iso's is a lot. is there a base system iso? I just need enough to get up and online for apt-get'ing the rest
11:28<ansgar>ballison: The first CD should be enough (less to download than a DVD).
11:29<ballison> is all I need? just one??
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11:30<sney>that's plenty to get you a working system with Gnome, even
11:30<ansgar>ballison: Yes, it's enough for the base system. The other CDs/DVDs include *all* other packages available from Debian's repository.
11:30<sney>the rest of the discs are just all of the available packages.
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11:30<ballison>sney: I just need 1)grub 2) a kernel 3) working network drivers (broadcom "non-free" kernel module)
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11:31<sney>ballison: then you should have almost all of that, though you may need to sneakernet the broadcom stuff.
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11:32<sney>the installer will let you choose how much or how little you want installed, as usual. it behaves exactly like the netinst, it just doesn't pull packages from the internet unless you tell it to.
11:33<cahoot>ballison: modlue and/or firmware? re broadcom
11:33<sney>broadcom are seriously the worst nic provider, I swear
11:34<ballison>the module i need is in "firmware-bnx2"
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11:34<sney>yeah, so that'll be in non-free and/or contrib, and you'll just need to download the deb(s) individually to a usb key or something and move them over, it's annoying, it's all broadcom's fault
11:34<sney>but it's pretty easy.
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11:35<ballison>cahoot: the "firmware" package installs the bnx2 kernel module
11:36<ballison>sney: Here's a page talking about how to get the kernel module into the lenny image ->
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11:36<sney>yeah, you can do that, but if you're installing from cd1 then you don't need network working until the install is done
11:36<sney>so you might as well wait and then install it with dpkg
11:37<sney>I mean unless you want to overcomplicate things for your own personal education, I guess
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11:37<cahoot>ballison: really - seems to only include the firmware to me - but I might be wrong
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11:37<sney>maybe it has a depend
11:38<ballison>I have a lenny netboot image with the bnx2 driver already in the netboot image so it can come up and online , but the destination of the packages has moved.
11:39<ballison>would it be possible to drop into shell, and chroot /mnt/target, and then change the apt/sources.list to download from lenny?
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11:39<ballison>and then manually install the grub/kernel/
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11:41<ballison>oh nevermind - this box I'm working on does not have a broadcom card in it (yay!)
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11:42<ballison>actually it does have a broadcom card (according to dmidecode) but it's not using the bnx2 driver.
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11:43<ballison>is there a way i can see which driver the ethernet card is using?
11:43<cahoot>lspci -k
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11:43<ballison>cahoot: SCORE!
11:44<ballison>it's using the tg3 driver
11:45<ballison>so i'm good then. all i need is the cd-rom image and i should have all i need for a base image install (replacing a bad disk)
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11:45<ZykoticK9>Is there a method to get Chromium or Iceweasel to use Pulse for their audio output?
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11:46<valdyn>ZykoticK9: they dont have audio output
11:47<valdyn>ZykoticK9: you are referring to the plugins i guess, the browsers have nothing to do with it
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11:47<valdyn>ZykoticK9: or just referring to adobe flash i guess
11:47<ZykoticK9>valdyn, yes flash - sorry my bad
11:47<valdyn>ZykoticK9: no you cant, but you can direct alsa to pulse
11:48<valdyn>ZykoticK9: that is my ~/.asoundrc
11:49<valdyn>ZykoticK9: libasound2-plugins needs to be installed
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11:49<ZykoticK9>valdyn, thanks!
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11:52<ZykoticK9>valdyn, working - perfect. Thanks again, exactly what I was looking for.
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11:53<ballison>slow download 50k/s 4 more hours remaining. Maybe I should have bit torrent instead
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12:41<cmot>since the latest xorg update in sid (I think), kde has become dead slow: typing mail, characters appear ca. @ 1 per .5s, making the coursor lag several words behind on a long sentence
12:41<cmot>this is kde 4.5 on a mostly-squeeze-with-some-sid-bits
12:41<sret>how do you check for security updates
12:42<sret>using the bot
12:42<cmot>not sure anybody else has seen this...
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12:42<cmot>sret: you can always /msg dpkg help
12:43<cmot>or are there other bots?
12:46<jhutchins_lt>cmot: There are several.
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12:46<sret>cmot: use gnomeee
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12:47*sret hasnt touched kde at all, always used gnome as the default as it came with debian
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12:47<sret>but thats just me
12:47<jhutchins_lt>sret: As far as I know none of the bots tracks security updates. There is a mailing list that announces them
12:47<sret>jhutchins_lt: oh ok
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12:54<broucaries>do you know a means to compile unit test with automake only after installing the package ?
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12:59<ballison>I'm trying to burn the .iso of debian to a disk, but i can't seem to find the disk drive's /dev name
12:59<ballison>how do i ask the OS for it? i looked in dmidecode, dmesg, and /var/log/message, and /etc/fstab
12:59<ballison>nothing about CD/DVD drive in any of those.
13:01<petemc>you dont have a /dev/cdrom ?
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13:01<ballison>"sudo eject /dev/cdrom" worked
13:01<ballison>but how do i find the model/info on it?
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13:02<valdyn>ballison: hdparm -i /dev/cdrom
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13:02<ballison> HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Bad address
13:03<valdyn>ballison: but.. why would you care about model?
13:03<ballison>cause i want to see if it's a burner or just a reader.
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13:05<ballison>Can write CD-R: 0
13:05<ballison>that's what i needed . Thanks.
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13:11<jablko>my package sponsor reported that an upload was successful, but i can't find mention of it on incoming.d.o or buildd.d.o or packages.d.o
13:11<jablko>how can i get some more information, like the upload was successful and is in a queue,
13:11<jablko>or the upload failed for some reason?
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13:12<jablko>the package is libapache2-mod-gnutls
13:12<jablko>version 0.5.9-1
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13:13<bartm>jablko, well, I don't know whether your package is visible there :)
13:13*jablko is looking...
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13:17<jablko>hmm - don't see libapache2-mod-gnutls listed,
13:17<bartm>me neither
13:18<jablko>are there logs of uploads and whether the upload succeeded or failed?
13:18<jablko>(in this case it seems like it failed, but neither of us knows why...)
13:18<bartm>I guess so but maybe not public
13:18<bartm>i'm sure the ftpmasters can verify
13:19<bartm>anyway, I think that this matter is offtopic here, better on #debian-mentors
13:20<jablko>bartm: ok, thanks for your help, i'll ask there
13:21<sret>how do you change the GLIB path
13:21<sret>so the new version is picked up?
13:21<sret>without removing the old one
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13:36<ballison> no iso/who *
13:36<ballison> no isosorry
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13:36<sney`>ballison: didn't someone give you the right url a few hours ago?
13:36<ballison>sorry if I just posted some mess. lost connection.
13:36<sney`>oh, ok.
13:37<ballison>sney: up arrow doom! :)
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13:38<ballison>is there a way in Debian to tell is a harddrive is SCSI, IDE, SATA or Ultra-SCSI?
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13:38<ballison>I looked in dmidecode, and dmesg, and /var/log/messages - no luck
13:38<sney`>dmesg will at least give you model numbers you can google
13:40<sney`>so will lshal |grep scsi
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13:41<ballison>dumb question time (excuse me I'm a mac person) but is "ata2" the same as IDE ?
13:41<sney`>I mean, generally yes, but sometimes the kernel is vague
13:42<jhutchins_lt>ballison: They specify different parts of the same interface.
13:42<ballison>here's what i'm seeing:
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13:43<sney`>the fact that it's saying UDMA/133 is telling me IDE.
13:43<jhutchins_lt>ballison: What about it?
13:43<sney`>because that's an IDE mode.
13:43<ballison>I see "SATA" link stuff first, which makes me think the drive is SATA, but then later I see SCSI. I'm trying to tell if it's SATA, SCSI or Ultra-SCSI (or IDE)... so confused.
13:43<sney`>jhutchins_lt: man, would it kill you to scroll up sometimes
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13:44<HaCkeR-Iq>why I cant install back track 4 beta with vmare player
13:44<sney`>ballison: also, I have a WD800JD and it's a SATA.
13:44<tharkun>!tell HaCkeR-Iq about backtrack
13:44<retrospectacus>WD800JD is a 80GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA drive
13:45<themill>HaCkeR-Iq: bt4 support is in #backtrack-linux on
13:45<sney`>HaCkeR-Iq: I don't know, maybe you didn't read the manual. but this isn't the backtrack channel, so you probalby have problems with reading in general.
13:45<ballison>sney: ok... it's confusing because it sais "scsi" at the beginning of that line.
13:45<sney`>ballison: with a modern kernel, everything is considered to be scsi
13:46<HaCkeR-Iq>I new on back track
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13:46<ballison>sney: so all the "SATA" lines before it are telling me it's sata then. Am I to presume the DVD-ROM is sata as wellthen? because again it says , "Attached scsi CD-ROM..."
13:46<retrospectacus>HaCkeR-Iq: go away. we do not know or care anything about backtrack.
13:47<retrospectacus>you're very welcome
13:47<HaCkeR-Iq>thnx man
13:48<retrospectacus>!bt4 magic
13:48<dpkg>BackTrack is just an operating system. It does not magically turn you into a hacker. It is also offtopic in #debian. Please fulfill your fantasies in #backtrack-linux on
13:48<sney`>I can't tell if he's an idiot or just has really terrible english
13:48<ballison>sney: btw- thanks for your help today. Even though (as you can see) I don't have a CD/DVD burner in this box, I was about to bit-torrent down the correct Debian iso for lenny, and am putting Ubuntu on a laptop with a burner in it, so I can have a self contained CD-ROM disk of lenny to install (for older machines that i'm not allowed to upgrade).
13:49<sney`>ballison: word, sounds wise
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13:49<retrospectacus>I don't see how having really terrible English would cause you to write your own name in the channel randomly..
13:50<tharkun>Does anyone have a statistic on how much of debian is downloaded through bittorrent and how much is downloaded directly from the servers?
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13:50<sney`>retrospectacus: sometimes different language irc cultures have odd practices
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13:53<tharkun>sney`: what you would call odd. I am sure it is totally accepted for them :D
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13:53<sney`>tharkun: that's exactly what I mean
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13:54<tharkun>sney`: I know and there are some cultures think that amaercian practices are extremely odd
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13:55<HaCkeR-Iq>Iam Back
13:56<sney`>I wish my wifi didn't drop so often. ah, unreliable hardware
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13:56<tharkun>sney`: hijacking your neighbours wifi?
13:56<HaCkeR-Iq>I hope to learn how i can install it
13:56<sney`>tharkun: no, the unreliable hardware is at my end.
13:57<sney`>HaCkeR-Iq: well, how about try installing debian instead? it's not MADE FOR HACKERS but it's much more flexible and you can do anything if you learn it right
13:57<themill>HaCkeR-Iq: you're still in the wrong place. You should connect to, register with nickserv (/msg nickserv help register) and then join #backtrack-linux over there.
13:57<sney`>and then you can maybe actually be a hacker, instead of just a kid using a silly livecd in vmware because it has trogdor on it.
13:58<SynrG>though when you choose your nick on that network you might try for something that isn't the irc equivalent of a big "kick me" sign pasted to your back.
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13:58<tharkun>HaCkeR-Iq: that is a polite way of people telling you to behave and get your butt out of here ;P
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13:59<valdyn>tharkun: certainly not
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14:00<HaCkeR-Iq>I had the honor to meet you
14:00<sney`>tharkun: anyway, I always thought it was a lenny-related issue, but it's stuck around after my squeeze upgrade, so I think this nic might just be bad.
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14:00<sney`>ath5k is usually pretty solid but this one just barfs all over the console and drops randomly multiple times a day
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14:00<tharkun>sney`: discrete or integrated antena?
14:00<SynrG>well, for my part, i think i'm being kind. i truly think with that nick, you're not going to get good attention on irc. google lame-o-nickometer and punch it in
14:01<sney`>tharkun: discrete, of the d-link pcmcia variety
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14:01<sney`>!lameometer HaCkeR-Iq
14:01<dpkg>'HaCkeR-Iq' is 19.000% lame, sney`
14:01<sney`>hmm, only 19%?
14:01<tharkun>sney`: try to lend, steal borrow a new antena. It might be just that
14:01<valdyn>!lameometer sney
14:01<dpkg>'sney' is 0.000% lame, valdyn
14:02<sney`>I know a guy who goes as PEPPERONI purely because of the lameometer result
14:02<themill>(add the ` onto the end....)
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14:02<valdyn>!literal lameometer
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14:02<SynrG>only 19%! hah. well, clearly the algorithm needs tweaking :)
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14:02<valdyn>!lameometer sney`
14:02<dpkg>'sney`' is 14.000% lame, valdyn
14:03<valdyn>SynrG: or its just random
14:03<tharkun>Gentlemen i think that is enough ot before Mr. themill puts his badge on and sends us all to #d-ot
14:03<sun>hi my aptitude is showing alot of packages that are old, so i want to full-upgrade. however there's not enough diskspace, so i found 2 packages that i want to purge. but when i type aptitude purge p1 p2, then it wants to resolve a bunch of dependencies. how do i get aptitude to just purge the 2 packages for now, to free up space, then go ahead with the full-upgrade later?
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14:05<valdyn>sun: use "dpkg --purge" instead
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14:05<valdyn>sun: but that's not saying that it will help you towards your goal
14:05<valdyn>sun: apt-get clean
14:05<sney`>hey SynrG, do you remember offhand the syntax to control screen brightness via /sys
14:06<SynrG>cat /sys ... something
14:06<sney`>haha that's as much as I've got too
14:06<SynrG>er, echo something > /sys... something i mean
14:07<sney`>google helpfully expands the search term 'sys' to 'system', which is making this annoying
14:07<SynrG>you can say +sys
14:07<SynrG>or "/sys"
14:08<valdyn>and the first google hit claims /sys/class/backlight
14:08<sney`>oh, I may have found it
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14:09<sney`>or maybe not. hrmm
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14:10<sun>valdyn thanks. that helped, now im at 91% full so i think it should be ok.
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14:10<tharkun>Gentlemen how do i downgrade from gdm3 on squeeze to gdm. I know it is not standart procedure but gdm3 is too buggy to have on this particular machine?
14:10<valdyn>tharkun: thats not a downgrade, that is just a different package to install
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14:11<tharkun>valdyn: :D so purging gdm3 and installing gdm will work
14:11<tharkun>valdyn: I would kiss you if you weren't on the other side of the world
14:11<sun>is there some tool that shows you your packages along with their disk footprint, and you could "sort by" footprint?
14:12<valdyn>sun: dpigs
14:13<valdyn>sun: or thats the program, not the package
14:13<SynrG>sun: grep-status (from the dctrl-tools package)
14:13<themill>!sort by size
14:13<dpkg>i heard sort by size is aptitude search ~i -O installsize -F"%p %I", or see <sort by size sarge>
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14:13<SynrG>it does this and *much* more (see the man page, search for "size")
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14:15<ballison>I need to get a good book that explains using aptitude and building debian packages (not source code management, but one off packages)
14:16<SynrG>huh. there are discrepancies between aptitude's output and grep-status!
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14:17<sun>thanks valdyn, synrG, and themill.
14:18<tharkun>shutdown -h 0; exit
14:18<tharkun>ups sorry wrong window
14:18<SynrG>aptitude lies!
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14:18<SynrG>aptitude tells you how much it *would* occupy if you were up-to-date
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14:18<SynrG>this grep-status recipe tells you what *is* occupied by the current version:
14:19<SynrG>grep-status -FStatus -sInstalled-Size,Package -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " \n" | sort -n
14:19<SynrG>now. is there an aptitude recipe that actually works? :) if so, update the factoid
14:20<themill>?installed?version(CURRENT)' probably....
14:20<themill>but without the ability to check this
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14:21<themill>aptitude sorts things quite strangely too... I don't understand what it's doing there.
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14:22<SynrG>i'm mildly allergic to aptitude (though i'm warming up to it in the few places where it actually does what i want it to :)
14:22<sney`>I like its conflict resolution
14:22<themill>SynrG: your grep-status line doesn't work, btw.
14:23<SynrG>!doesn't work
14:23<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
14:23<themill>!spank SynrG
14:23*dpkg bends SynrG over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK*
14:23<sney`>and now you know what it is to be owned.
14:24<themill>SynrG: halfway through the output
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14:27<SynrG>themill: what? that's just ... strange
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14:27<themill>It chokes on locally installed packages
14:27<SynrG>works flawlessly for me and always has
14:27<SynrG>locally installed or not
14:28<SynrG>maybe some *broken* package?
14:28<SynrG>(missing Installed-Size control field?)
14:29<SynrG>damn you google and your evil disregard for size
14:30<SynrG>we know you're swimming in disk space. you don't have to rub our noses in it.
14:30<themill>that's a package made by googleearth-package
14:30<SynrG>ah. so not google's fault, per se.
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14:33<SynrG>themill: wouldn't be the first control file badness ... see #606310
14:34<themill>yeah, I get the impression it's a package in not-very-good condition. I think it was actually removed from squeeze at one stage and then made it back in at the last minute
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14:36<SynrG>you're a user. want to file the bug on Installed-Size? :)
14:37<AzaToth>hmm, WHY do I get an upgrade conflict on /etc/sudoers?
14:37<SynrG>be more precise?
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14:38<AzaToth>SynrG: doing an upgrade, and it queries me what to do with sudoers, as it want to install the "package maintainers" version
14:38<themill>SynrG: currently typing it out...
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14:38<bartm>AzaToth, that's not a conflict. Be happy it asks you what you want. :)
14:38<AzaToth>imo sudoers isn't a file that should be touched by dpkg at all
14:39<SynrG>it has boilerplate comments in it, likely
14:39<bartm>AzaToth, then you know what to answer to the question
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14:39<AzaToth>bartm: true, but imo it would be like dpkg ask if /etc/shadow should be reset
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14:39<SynrG>AzaToth: the default is "N". you're only going to screw this one up if you lack clues.
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14:40<themill>AzaToth: I've seen that question too ("Your system doesn't have the standard groups in /etc/passwd ...")
14:41<sney`>AzaToth: you can always just hit d if you're unsure
14:41<AzaToth>themill: oh
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14:41<sney`>I usually hit d just to make sure, or see if there's any new interesting comments added
14:41<AzaToth>sney`: do mr not_an_linux_guru hit n or y?
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14:42<SynrG>they hit "y", but they only do it once
14:42<SynrG>see? debian teaches you! this must be a good thing
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14:43<AzaToth>imo questions that when hitting Y will certanly destroy the system for normal folks, should not update file at all unless it can migrate automatically
14:43<themill>(there's the addition of sudoers.d and the sudoers group to the default /etc/sudoers.)
14:43<SynrG>but seriously, has anyone ever handled a "my sudo is broken after upgrading!" complaint here?
14:43<SynrG>it has been this way since time eternal
14:43<AzaToth>SynrG: I've never gotten an sudoers conflict before, and my computer is 7 years old
14:43<themill>SynrG: yeah we had a guy ranting about that a few weeks ago. He ended up +b after he started yelling and swearing at everyone.
14:44<themill>!dbugs 617420
14:44<dpkg>#617420:W[googleearth-package] googleearth-package: Please specify an Installed-Size field in the created googleearth package (); Tue, 08 Mar 2011 19:42:05 UTC []
14:44<themill>SynrG: ^^ :)
14:44<AzaToth>I'm not ranting, I just felt it was rather strange/fishy/dangerous
14:44<SynrG>themill: yay :)
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14:45<SynrG>AzaToth: still not sure it justifies a special case, but i do see your point.
14:45<SynrG>feel free to be the one that files the wishlist ;)
14:45<AzaToth>SynrG: hehe
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15:00<ballison>sney: i downloaded debian-508-i386-CD-1.iso
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15:00<ballison>sney: and did a md5sum on it to make sure i got it all, and burnt it to CD and then tried to use it, and i get an error that it can not copy components.
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15:01<sney`>how far into the install did you get?
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15:06<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
15:06<ballison>sney: back rebooting it, to see
15:06<ballison>sney: it bombed pretty early
15:07<ballison>sney: I've got on remote KVM, so i can screenshotit
15:07<ballison>screenshot it
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15:08<sney`>better than that guy who tried to get help with his boot problem by linking a video he took with his phone
15:08<ballison>sney: it boots the kernel off the CD, lets me pick English, USA, Keymap, and then detects hardware CD-ROM, loads usb-storage, scans the CD-ROM , loads additional compoents, detects hardware.. wait.. it's working this time.
15:10<sney`>you may find yourself replacing that cd drive in the near future
15:10<ballison>last time it bombed on "Load installer components from CD" step
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15:10<ballison>this time it zipped right through it. weird.
15:11<ballison>i know the disk in this server is bad... so maybe it failed because the disk couldn't copy components.
15:11<sney`>intermittent problems, the mantra of hardware support
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15:23<tuxcrafter>how do i purge that package from my system
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15:27<tuxcrafter>how do i ignore missing files
15:27<tuxcrafter>with apt dpkg or aptitude
15:27<arand>tuxcrafter: That dir doesn't exist?
15:27<tuxcrafter>nope its gone
15:27<tuxcrafter>i rm it
15:27<jackjack>with a pipe ?
15:27<arand>tuxcrafter: Try creating it empty?
15:28<tuxcrafter>arand: did that then the error in the pastebin happens
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15:33<tuxcrafter>i fixed it by removing the the dpkg prerm files
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15:40<tuxcrafter>ah die cups
15:41<tuxcrafter>still "Unable to write print data: Broken pipe"
15:41<tuxcrafter>with bigger pdfs
15:41<tuxcrafter>small pds print fine
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15:41<tuxcrafter>pxlcolor driver
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15:47<tuxcrafter>Set job-printer-state-message to "Unable to write print data: Broken pipe", current level=ERROR
15:47<jhutchins_lt>tuxcrafter: You might try hplip
15:48<jhutchins_lt>tuxcrafter: dpkg getting a Permission Denied error suggests filesystem problems.
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15:50<tuxcrafter>cups debug log
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16:01<sney`>this spontaneously fluctuating backlight is playing havoc with my eyes @_@
16:02<dondelelcaro>sney`: time to replace it, the inverter, or the monitor...
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16:02<sney`>not my hardware
16:03<dondelelcaro>even better
16:03<sney`>it's behaving like a power disconnect auto-dim, but the power is still connected, and it doesn't brighten back up if I do unplug/re-plug
16:03<sney`>and it only started happening after my squeeze upgrade!
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16:08<tuxcrafter>well pringing my own color pdf created from openoffice goes fine
16:08<tuxcrafter>printing a google maps print makes gs crash or something like that
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16:09<sney`>non-compliant pdf that sounds like
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16:22<jhutchins_lt>tuxcrafter: You might try hplip.
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16:38<deux>hi guys
16:38<sney`>hi deux
16:38<deux>can anyone tell me if debian supports dual GPU?
16:38<deux>(one of them being ATI)
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16:39<jhutchins_lt>deux: Generally yes.
16:39<sney`>X does, yes. sometimes it is a pain to configure
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16:40<deux>so - not out of the box with the switching?
16:40<sney`>sometimes. it depends. if both gpus are supported by the same driver, chances are better that it'll work right away
16:41<sney`>it's really a try it and see thing, especially with the tricky nature of proprietary video drivers
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16:41<deux>fair enough
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17:08<sney`>hmm interesting
17:08<sney`>if I close my screen and open it, I go to full brightness for a few seconds
17:08<sney`>and then it dims again
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17:09<sney`>dmesg has nouveau changing dpms modes, I wonder.
17:09<sney`>I'm not even in X, though.
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17:15<DestroyerZBR>Good night friends
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17:22<jeroen__>hi @ all
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17:24<edbian>I'm trying to set up a ssh tunnel. I'm doing something of the form: ssh -fND localhost:2000 The packets in the tunnel are getting filtered somewhere on the Internet. Any ideas?
17:25<sney`>use a much higher port number
17:25<edbian>sney`, ok
17:25<sney`>5 digits at least
17:25<gosko>hi, since updating to squeeze it seems $HOSTNAME is not defined any more in cron's environment, is there some reason for that? should I change scripts that used to use $HOSTNAME to do `hostname --fqdn` or something instead?
17:25<sney`>they tend to be less scrutinized
17:25<edbian>sney`, Is that why it's getting filtered?
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17:26<sney`>hi bonny, if you're here you must still be banned from the ubuntu channel
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17:26<sney`>what are you going to whine to us about today
17:26<edbian>same problem
17:27<bonny>edbian ur banned from ubuntu too
17:27<edbian>I tried 20,000
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17:27<bonny>sney is there anyway at all i can get back to ubuntu channel
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17:27<ansgar>edbian: Can you connect to the target from the remote host? And is port forwarding enabled there?
17:27<sney`>edbian: can you just get a ssh shell?
17:28<edbian>ansgar, I can ssh to the remote host and that works fine
17:28<edbian>sney`, yes
17:28<edbian>regular ssh is working fine
17:28<ansgar>edbian: The port doesn't matter as it's just used on localhost.
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17:29<sney`>bonny: your ban will probably expire automatically after a few days. why not relax, read some of the documentation, and learn things on your own rather than needing people on IRC to hold your hand
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17:29<bonny>np sney
17:30<bonny>just one question before i go
17:30<Mazze>Brasero always fails to burn on my laptop and destroys the empty CDs. What other GTK-based Program could be suggested to try out?
17:30<sney`>Mazze: xfburn, maybe
17:31<sney`>Mazze: or just give it a shot with wodim
17:31<edbian>ansgar, I thought maybe only low port numbers would be filtered
17:31<Mazze>sney` with wodim, I got it to work when I turned down the speed to 8x ...
17:31<edbian>ansgar, Oooo, but duh. It's only here so it shouldn't matter.
17:31<sney`>Mazze: maybe there's something wrong with your burner, or it's really cheap media
17:32<edbian>How can they filter my ssh tunnel but not a normal ssh connection? There must not be any discernable difference
17:32<sney`>edbian: there probably isn't, so it is most likely something else
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17:33<Mazze>sney` and brasero does not seem to provide any option to only do a dry-run . Where is xcdroast anyway?
17:33<edbian>sney`, With the tunnel up if I pink (e.g. my router) I get: From icmp_seq=1 Packet filtered
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17:34<ansgar>edbian: Huh? ping over SOCKS-Proxy?
17:34<dpkg>X-CD-Roast is yet another <cdrecord> frontend for the X Window System. Not part of Squeeze due to Debian bug #517411.
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17:34<edbian>ansgar, It's just a normal ping when the tunnel is up.
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17:35<edbian>ansgar, Put I"m pinging an address that is local for the proxy (not sure if that makes a difference)
17:35<ansgar>edbian: ssh -D is a SOCKS proxy. No way to use ICMP over that.
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17:35<edbian>ansgar, Ahh, thank you
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17:36<ansgar>edbian: And it's only usable for programs configured to use it. (tsocks may help for others.)
17:36<Mazze>sney` thanks for the info, will try xfburn some other time ...
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17:36<edbian>ansgar, Well I really don't care about ping running over the proxy. I care about firefox using the proxy.
17:37<ansgar>edbian: That should work. I used it quite often in the past.
17:37<edbian>The ultimate goal is to configure my router remotely. So I set up an ssh tunnel to a machine behind this router and proxy firefox through that machine so I can get to the web interface of the router.
17:38<gosko>has anyone else noticed $HOSTNAME missing in cron's environment after updating to squeeze? I'm wondering if that's a known change in squeeze or if our installs are goofy somehow.
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17:38<jeroen__>@edbian: you're router doesnt't support remote admin?
17:38<edbian>ansgar, If I set up the proxy using that command firefox is unable to load any website through it. (DNS appears to go through) but nothing is loaded on the page.
17:38<edbian>jeroen__, It does but it's not configured that way right now and I'm far away from it
17:39<jeroen__>@edbian:it's the asiest way to go (on the long run anyways)
17:40<edbian>jeroen__, sure, but less secure. And it doesn't matter right now cause I can't configure the router in the first place to turn on remote web administration.
17:41<jeroen__>@edbian: ok, sry, was only trying to help. For remote webadministration (if you have Apache) you ca use SWAT over port 80 and https...forgot the port..4..something i thought
17:42<edbian>jeroen__, Thanks for the suggestion
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17:43<jeroen__>@edbian..sry SWAT is for SAMBA'
17:43<jeroen__>got it mixed up
17:43<edbian>Ugh... tried to install iceweasel on the server and just x forward over the ssh connection. The server does not have an X server (for some reason iceweasel is allowed to install without it) but iceweasel the command simply runs and shows no gui
17:43<bonny>i was installing skype using lxterminal and i said package skype has no installation candidate
17:43<edbian>jeroen__, No worries, the effort is appreciated
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17:45<sney`>bonny even with ubuntu you have to get skype from
17:45<bonny>oh ok
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17:45<sney`>and they will even tell you how to install it on the website!
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17:47<edbian>Any other suggestions
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17:48<sney`>edbian: well, depending on how badly you need it to be secure, what about a vnc server?
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17:49<Elmo_nl>hey'd have to enable port 5900 RDP
17:49<Elmo_nl>on the router
17:49<edbian>yep, which I cannot do in the first place
17:49<sney`>vnc servers can just bind to whatever port you want
17:49<sney`>I think anyway
17:50<edbian>sney`, I'm sure it can be configured
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17:50<Elmo_nl>take a port +>10.000
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17:51<edbian>Elmo_nl, I cannot open new ports because I cannot configure the router remotely. That is the problem.
17:51<Elmo_nl>can you get to the box whee you install vnc on?
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17:52<Elmo_nl>if so, then get vnc to bind on a port => 10.000
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17:53<edbian>Elmo_nl, I don't think you're understanding me. I can ssh into the box. I can install VNC (and therefore an X server) on my server. I can tell VNC to bind to port 10,000. It won't matter because I can't forward port 10,000 on the router.
17:53<edbian>Because I am remote
17:54<edbian>and I can't get into the router
17:54<Elmo_nl>then you have to get to the router (access to its config) in order to proceed
17:54<sney`>it's too bad there isn't a port already forwarded that you had intended for something else
17:54<sney`>like a gaming port or something.
17:54<edbian>sney`, there is, port 22 Why does this matter?
17:54<Tiff>Time to enable SSH on the router, imo.
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17:55<edbian>Tiff, I cannot enable ssh on the router because I am remote and I cannot configure the router. Again. This is the original problem
17:55<sney`>I meant some unpriv port that you could just commandeer, some 27015 or something
17:55<Tiff>So what do you want us to do, travel there and configure it for you?
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17:56<sney`>you've placed yourself in an interesting catch-22
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17:56<Elmo_nl>(access to its config) is key then, unless you have some sort of access to a box behind it that can open a port/connection for you somehow
17:56<edbian>sney`, Yes. I used to be able to open the tunnel but that isn't true anymore
17:57<sney`>is it a upnp router? I wonder if you could use gupnp-tools to convince it to forward a port
17:57<Neop>Alguem ai sabe me dizer qual o melhor se é o Debian ou o Big Linux ?
17:57<edbian>sney`, Clever idea. I didn't know something like that was possible. I"ll read up. It's a linksys wrt54g. Don't know if it's upnp
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17:58<soloflyer>edbian: wrt54g supports upnp if you have it turned on
17:58<Elmo_nl>My 5 year old 30 doller router is out-of-thebox configured lik that so it sould be
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18:00<rynActual>Could you install links on the server, use it to access your router's config, reconfig the router, and then forward the ports that you want?
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18:00<edbian>Just got iceweasel to X forward from the machine inside the network!
18:00<edbian>I just had to wait long enough
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18:00<sney`>oh, it was just really slow? haha
18:00<soloflyer>edbian: why dont you just port forward via ssh?
18:01<edbian>sney`, it is super slow
18:01<Elmo_nl>and get a better antenna :P
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18:01<bonny>yay!!! i got skype
18:02<sney`>bonny good maybe now you can harass someone else
18:03<sney`>instead of coming back here all the time.
18:03<Elmo_nl>go and claim the world via SKype, it's yours!
18:03<bonny>lol its not signing in so im sticking with u guys lol
18:04<sney`>you're just going to get banned here too
18:04<bonny>what did i do though
18:05<sney`>you kept coming back to a debian channel for help with your ubuntu even though we've told you repeatedly that it's the wrong place, and now it seems you're just here to chat, and it's the wrong place for that too
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18:05<edbian>Thanks for all the help! :) Just got it fixed
18:05*Elmo_nl feels tensions growing, or is it spring comming soon...?
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18:05<bonny>well i cant join ubuntu cuz im banned can u just tell when the ban expoires
18:05<sney`>There are lots of places on irc that are just to chat! but #debian is a help channel, so it has strict rules to keep it sane, and you don't seem to care that you're breaking them
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18:06<bonny>im sorry sney wont ever come back here
18:06<sney`>bonny: I have no idea when your ban expires. Why don't you go to the other server and ask someone in ##linux how long it takes.
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18:07<Elmo_nl>:) @tleast you were polite, and it just left
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18:07<sney`>it didn't stick the last two times, he'll probably just come back again
18:07<Elmo_nl>I'm new to this but i seem to like IRC, want to help ppl get on the Linux wagon
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18:08<sney`>yeah, we can always use more volunteer helpers
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18:08<Elmo_nl>I can provide Dutch / UK help btw
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18:09<sney`>this channel is english only but I think there are dutch channels too
18:09<bonny>yes i logged into skype it just take long thankyou for the help sney i will never disturb u again
18:09<soloflyer>sney`: english only?
18:09<sney`>soloflyer: english and bad english
18:10<Elmo_nl>lol..2/2 solutions today imply: w8 a bit'll be fine :)
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18:11<sney`>well I fixed my own backlight problem, maybe I can fix my wifi problem too
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18:12<soloflyer>sney`: whats wrong with your wirless?
18:12<Elmo_nl>i8f it's hardware we cant rly help
18:13<sney`>the nic resets
18:13<sney`>and that disassociates it from the AP
18:13<sney`>happens unpredictably, maybe 4-5 times a day
18:13<Elmo_nl>OS/laptop or PC?
18:14<sney`>squeeze, laptop, i686
18:14<soloflyer>what kind of card/module
18:14<sney`>pcmcia, ath5k
18:14<Elmo_nl>check your power saving options..most laptops allow nic to go to powersave = dc
18:14<soloflyer>did it used to work under lenny?
18:15<sney`>I have a script that fixes it, and since the reset causes it to show different blinkenlights, I can usually fix it before I ping out
18:15<sney`>no, same problem under lenny. I thought maybe upgrading to squeeze would fix it, but it didn't
18:16<sney`>the only power saving I have is cpufreq and basic acpi stuff, neither of which has any pc card shutoff
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18:16<Elmo_nl>does it happen when on AC power too?
18:16<sney`>I'm only running wmaker as it's an older laptop and I don't want to waste resources using a heavier wm/de
18:16<soloflyer>sney`: there is/was a bug related to idle scaning on that card i think
18:16<sney`>yep. I'm always on ac power really, the battery doesn't last long
18:17<soloflyer>sney`: problem didnt exist in lenny
18:17<Elmo_nl>checked you BIOS for any weird settings?
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18:17<Elmo_nl>to do with Wifi i mean
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18:18<sney`>soloflyer: well, I was using a 2.6.32 bpo kernel in lenny, since ath5k wasn't functional in 2.6.26.
18:18<soloflyer>sney`: do you have calibration errors in dmesg?
18:18<sney`>Elmo_nl: this laptop never had built in wifi, so there's nothing to do with wifi in the bios, just the option to disable pcmica
18:18<Elmo_nl>try a differnt IRQ in your BIOS if it's haring any @ the mment
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18:19<Elmo_nl>*sharing moment
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18:21<sney`>soloflyer: I used to see that message sometimes under lenny, but it didn't happen at the same time as the disassociate, and it's gone after the upgrade
18:22<soloflyer>sney`: i was using madwifi in lenny which worked great
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18:22<soloflyer>sney`: my experience with ath5k has been pretty patchy since i upgraded that laptop to squeeze
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18:22<sney`>I have another machine at home that also has ath5k and squeeze, and no trouble at all on that one
18:23<sney`>the only notable thing in dmesg now is:
18:23<sney`>[250240.133007] wlan0: deauthenticated from 00:13:10:77:8e:d3 (Reason: 7)
18:23<soloflyer>unfortunatley the ath5k laptop isnt mine so i havent had much of a chance to debug it
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18:25<sney`>yeah, I've poked around that, not much useful
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18:30<Elmo_nl>solution could be at the bottom..nn all
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18:46<zimba>I've just installed squeeze
18:47<zimba>but now when use cfdisk I get the following error message
18:47<zimba>FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 2: Partition ends in the final partial cylin
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19:04<kirbuchi>Hi, I'm trying to fix an issue because my /proc/cpuinfo is only showing one cpu on my dual core laptop, has anyone encountered a similar problem?
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19:17<Stereo>kirbuchi: that rings a bell
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19:17<Stereo>kirbuchi: actually, a couple of years back you needed a special smp kernel. You're using the most recent kernel, aren't you? What does uname -a say?
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19:18<sney`>squeeze's kernel supports smp out of the box
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19:19<Stereo>yeah, it was a separate kernel in etch if not earlier
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19:20<ShARpSh00TeR>lenny's getting older, isn't it ?
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19:20<sney`>yeah, it's officially 'oldstable' though it'll still have security updates for a year or s
19:20<gsimmons>Stereo: ITYM sarge (WRT x86).
19:20<sney`>or so
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19:22<kirbuchi>Stereo: it says Linux debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP, It's the latest I think
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19:22<Stereo>yeah, that's recent enough
19:22<sney`>kirbuchi: is your computer particularly new?
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19:23<kirbuchi>sney: yes, its a toshiba A500 with i5 processor, its pretty new
19:24<Stereo>ShARpSh00TeR: there's cool stuff in squeeze, it boots faster and can install security updates automatically quite easily, for example
19:24<sney`>i5 has been around for a while though so it should be fully supported
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19:24<kirbuchi>I've read on the arch forums someone had a similar problem and enabled acpi on kernel boot, i'm currently running with the acpi=off option
19:24<kirbuchi>problem is whenever I enable acpi my pc wont boot at all
19:25<Stereo>maybe something less blunt than acpi=off would work
19:25<ShARpSh00TeR>I'm interested in graphical things like compiz. Is it compatible with squeeze ?
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19:25<sney`>ShARpSh00TeR: yeah, you can do compiz
19:26<Stereo>ShARpSh00TeR: yes, version 0.8.4-4
19:26<sney`>the better the gpu the better it'll work, and it's best supported under gnome and I think kde
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19:27<ShARpSh00TeR>oh, official package :)
19:27<kirbuchi>Stereo: you mean I should try different options for the acpi parameter? any recommendation?
19:28<dpkg>Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at . #compiz on
19:28<sney`>maybe acpi_osi="Linux" I hear that fixes some oddball acpi issues, though I don't know if it'll give you your other core back
19:29<sney`>ShARpSh00TeR: most things are available as official packages. when you're using a debian system, 'aptitude search' is your friend
19:29<Stereo>kirbuchi: no recommendations, but I had a dell server once where disabling one little thing made it bootable
19:30<ShARpSh00TeR>I've read that I need additional drivers for the GPU ?
19:30<Stereo>oh, could be a missing firmware
19:31<sney`>ShARpSh00TeR: depending on the gpu, sometimes, but even then there's a way to handle it through the debian packaging system, which makes it much easier to control and manage upgrades, etc
19:31<sney`>it's all in the release notes, wiki, manuals, readmes, and you can always come here for assistance if it's confusing
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19:31<Stereo>kirbuchi: try installng firmware-linux-nonfree ?
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19:32<ShARpSh00TeR>yeah, thanks for the help ;)
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19:32<kirbuchi>Stereo: Ok I'll give it a try
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19:36<kirbuchi>I'll reboot and give it a try thanks Stereo and sney` for your help
19:36<ShARpSh00TeR>they are so cute :D
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19:46<maxb>Can anyone recommend a local DNS proxy package which can forward to different upstream servers based on the domain?
19:47<maxb>(being resolved)
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19:52<petemc>maxb: im not aware of any that have that functionality - why would you want it?
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19:54<maxb>petemc: To deal with braindead corporate VPN systems
19:55<petemc>can you not achieve that without having to forward on queries?
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19:57<maxb>Not if I want queries for the outside world to go to the outside world, but queries for * to be resolved by a DNS server behind a VPN
19:57<petemc>erm, you can
19:58<petemc>well, i assume you can, if you can host the zone files for sillycord yourself
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20:02<petemc>maxb: or you can route queries from sillycorps subnet to an alternative server
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20:08<careet>Hey, thanks for the help with the formatting yesterday folks. I successfully installed Debian 6 longside OS X Tiger on my old school blue and white PowerMac G3. I can boot into OS X just fine, but when I press L to go into Debian, it loads a bit, and then throws a blank screen at me. It's been doing this since what was supposed to be the "first boot". Anyone have any ideas? I'm lost.
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20:14<retrospectacus>test failed
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20:42<dharc>hey men
20:43*dgw isn't a man
20:43<dharc>sorry hausdhuahsduhasd
20:43<dharc>there are still some packages being made to Squeeze?
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20:43<petemc>dharc: not new packages, no
20:44<dpkg>[stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>).
20:44<dharc>sorry, badly formulated question
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20:45<dharc>for example kFreeBSD doesn't have wine, but Linux has
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20:46<petemc>i know nothing of the kfreebsd port, but i would imagine the same rules apply
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20:47<dharc>but kfree is Squeeze and doesn't have a lot of packages
20:48<dharc>dont exist ntfs-3g for kfree, for example
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20:48<tensorpudding>when you download a package from the git repos it has the .git directory in it
20:48<tensorpudding>which gets in the way if you want to actually build the package
20:48<tensorpudding>what do people usually do?
20:49<arand>tensorpudding: One way is to use git-buildpackage
20:49<tensorpudding>what's that?
20:49<dharc>i dont know make package
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20:50<arand>tensorpudding: a git wrapper for debuild, iirc, addiditonal options like --git-upstream-branch= are available
20:50<tensorpudding>ah, neato
20:51<dharc>just wanted to know if they are still packing packages of Linux for kFree
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20:52<arand>dharc: I would assume most new ones would go into wheezy.
20:53<tensorpudding>also what's the right way to contribute to a package you don't maintain?
20:54<tensorpudding>do you send your patches to the maintainer
20:54<arand>tensorpudding: I would guess report a bug and atttach a patch.
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20:54<tensorpudding>a month ago i found a bug, with a report already filed, and a patch included, that was several years old
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20:55<tensorpudding>but the report wasn't noticed, so i bumped it by testing out the patch
20:56<tensorpudding>someone who had write access to the repo committed to the git the patch, but the maintainer reverted the commit for reasons that aren't entirely evident
20:57<dondelelcaro>tensorpudding: file a bug with a patch; talk to the maintainer directly if there are questions
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20:58<dondelelcaro>tensorpudding: if it gets reverted, then it may have just been by accident; best to ask (politely), assuming that the maintainer either did it accidentally, or has a good reason for doing it that they just haven't communicated
20:58<tensorpudding>i shouldn't say the reasons are entirely mysterious
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20:58<tensorpudding>the commit tag was "revert non-discussed intrusive hijack commit" or something
21:00<tensorpudding>well, i'll email the maintainer
21:00<Liyan_oz>follow me LiyanXphoenix
21:01<dondelelcaro>tensorpudding: which bug is this?
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21:07<dondelelcaro>tensorpudding: ah, that looks like all of the changes by one person were removed; the actual patch itself is probably fine
21:07<dondelelcaro>tensorpudding: probably worth asking to figure out what is going on there
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21:21<katsrc>iceweasel in backports?
21:21<katsrc>iceweasel 4?
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22:06<kendall> what is a rescue CD for debian? anyone know? there's choices for the different desktop environments and standard, then there's rescue.
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22:10<gsimmons>kendall: The Debian Live "rescue" text console flavor contains more packages (than the standard flavor) which are useful for recovering a broken system.
22:12<kendall>oh ty
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22:17<bonny>well i doubt anyone gonna be askin question now
22:17<bonny>so wats up
22:18<bonny>help me bot
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22:38<kendall>can you use a standard live cd then install a desktop environment after?
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22:44<amitz>kendall: I mean, that can be made. Not sure if debian's live cd can do that.
22:44<amitz>kendall: ubuntu does that, usually that means debian can be made like that, or it's already like that.
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22:49<kendall>hmm. I think i better go with the netinstall then
22:49<sney>installer functionality was planned for debian-live, at least. I don't know if it was added for squeeze or what
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22:49<sney>netinstall is a smaller initial download anyway
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22:51<sney>hmm, the colour is all wonky in youtube videos now
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23:08<loser777>Does anyone have experience with mplayer?
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23:09<rxvik>Does aptitude have a pretend option?
23:11<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
23:12<rxvik>what a bot
23:12<sney>rxvik: as for your question, does man aptitude not say?
23:12*rxvik is install xfce4 slim and iceweasel. What else do you need?
23:13<rxvik>sney: didn't see it. i'll browse over it again.
23:13<sney>xfce4-goodies is a good package to grab along with xfce4, as it depends on a lot of assorted stuff that comes in handy
23:13<rxvik>sney: Coming from Gentoo, so I have this pretend mentality. Aptitude does always ask if you want to proceed though, which is nice
23:14<sney>gentoo, I knew the pretend option sounded familiar
23:16<rxvik>sney: I guess -P is like pretend, it's prompt in APT
23:16<rxvik>er.. aptitude
23:16<sney>yeah, fair enough, so it prompts even if you only told it to install one thing
23:16<rxvik>yup. I do really like aptitude. I may mess around with "installing without recommends"
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23:17<rxvik>I noticed with xorg, if I explicity isntall my video card driver (aptitude install xorg xserver-xorg-video-intel) it doesn't install the other graphics card drivers. I wonder if theres a way to make that functionality more clear
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23:18<sney>what do you mean?
23:18<rxvik>like.. how do you know that if some packages are installed, others won't be needed entirely?
23:18<rxvik>er.. needed == automatically isntalled
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23:20<sney>stuff that's needed is handled through dependencies, but if it's only needed sometimes it'll go into recommends or suggests
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23:20<sney>and it'll just give you feedback, like hey, you might want/need this later
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23:21<rxvik>Doesn't aptitude install recommends automatically? I didn't think so, but I saw the flag to "not install recommends" in the man page
23:21<rxvik>-R I think
23:21<sney>I think it's off by default in squeeze, though that's changed a few times and I haven't been keeping up
23:22<rxvik>one last, dumb question. Does the {a} that shows up on package prompts signify a recommend, or a dependency?
23:23<sney>it signifies that it's being installed automatically
23:23<rxvik>which is why it's 'a'. Makes sense :p
23:23<rxvik>sney: I appreciate all the help
23:23<sney>the man page for apt-mark explains the flag in more detail
23:24<sney>oh no problem, that's what we're here for
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23:29<loser777>Could mplayer have a compatibility issue with a PCI Radeon 9250?
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23:30<sney>loser777: it's pretty unlikely, a card that old should be fully supported
23:30<sney>what's the issue?
23:31<loser777>I installed mplayer with apt-get and extracted the codecs to /usr/local/lib/codecs/ but no video is displayed
23:33<loser777>running mplayer from console gives me "s3fb: Not enough video memory to play this movie. Try at a lower resolution"
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23:33<sney>s3fb? I thought you had a radeon
23:34<loser777>yeah I don't get it either... it's a PCI card if that means anything
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23:35<sney>do you have the firmware package installed? under squeeze, if you have a radeon, you need firmware-linux-nonfree in order for the card to work fully
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23:38<loser777>how would I install firmware-linux-nonfree (complete newbie)
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23:39<sney>same as you installed mplayer
23:39<loser777>I don't think I have backports in sources
23:39<sney>it's not in backports, but you will need to add 'contrib non-free' to the end of the primary entry in your sources.list
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23:41<sney>you can also download it directly from since it has no dependencies
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23:41<loser777>I'll try changing sources first as I think it's more automated
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23:43<calwig>does anyone know if the new Pads out there will support Open Source?
23:45<loser777>I would doubt it... given Apple's current attitude to Open Source
23:46<loser777>Installing the firmware doesn't resolve the issue... is a restart needed?
23:47<dgw>after you change your sources.list you should do apt-get update in root terminal
23:48<loser777>I did apt-get update... and install firmware-linux-nonfree but it hasn't been fixed
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23:49<kop>loser777: Did you restart X?
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23:49<loser777>not yet
23:49<calwig>loser777: right, we gotta encourage it somehow then
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23:55<loser777>I'm going to see if restarting does anything after installing firmware-linux-nonfree
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