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---Logopened Wed Mar 09 00:00:15 2011
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00:00<loser777>After installing firmware-linux-nonfree and rebooting mplayer still refuses to play video and now all of my flash video is black and white or crashes
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00:02<kop>loser777: Do you have an xorg.conf? You probably should not. Anyway, pastebin the X log.
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00:02<ayaka>excuse I want to how to install debian by pxe
00:03<kop>ayaka: The install guide has instructions if you've another debian (or linux) box.
00:03<ayaka>kop,in M$
00:03<kop>ayaka: We can't really help setup a boot enviroment because we don't know the OS.
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00:04<ayaka>kop, just tell which as the boot img
00:04<kop>ayaka: pxelinux.0 is the boot loader. (In the tarball iirc it's a symlink.)
00:05<ayaka>kop, thank you
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00:12<flamingspinach>can someone help me with booting the debian installer from a USB stick?
00:13<kop>flamingspinach: If you tell us your problem. Have you tried following the installation guide instructions?
00:13<kop>!usb install
00:13<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
00:13<flamingspinach>After running `cat mini.iso > /dev/sdb`, syincing, etc., and transferring the stick to the target computer, the target refuses to boot
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00:13<flamingspinach>kop: indeed I have
00:13<flamingspinach>I suppose I can try the alternative methods listed there, but I want to know why just copying the ISO is not working for me
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00:14<flamingspinach>in fact, after `cat mini.iso > /dev/sdb` I can't even mount the USB stick naturally on a working debian system (`mount` asks me to specify the filesystem)
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00:14<flamingspinach>I've tried both the file at and the file at dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso on a debian mirror
00:15<kop>flamingspinach: I don't know. I have had similar problems trying to put a new parition table on a stick.
00:15<flamingspinach>does mini.iso contain the partition table, or am I supposed to set it up manually?
00:15<kop>flamingspinach: I suspect the stick is remapping the blocks and that somehow screws the boot.
00:16<flamingspinach>hmm, I see. Well, I'll try a different method then, I guess...
00:16<kop>flamingspinach: I don't know enough about the hybrid iso stuff. You could try #debian-boot. That's where the installer people hang out. I don't know if they support users or just write code. They may ask you to file a bug report, or may help.
00:16<kop>flamingspinach: I know there have been reports of problems.
00:17<flamingspinach>maybe I'll try that later :) for now I need to get this done quickly (got a flight in a couple hours) so I think I'll just download and burn an ISO for the road, haha
00:17<flamingspinach>thanks for the help though :)
00:17<kop>flamingspinach: And some usb sticks are stranger than others in the paritioning that they come with.
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00:21<kendall>why is there no md5 checksum for the netinst cd? :(
00:22<kendall>does it not matter for the net install cd?
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00:24<kendall>gvinkce: why is there no md5 checksum for the netinst cd? :(
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00:27<kendall>oh its just not linked on that page
00:27<kendall>thats gay
00:27<retrospectacus>kendall: 9cbe24e810acebc1753426f8ba6eb935 debian-6.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso
00:28<kendall>ty retro
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00:29<ayaka>I try to install from pxe,but it said unable to locate config file
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00:31<ayaka>well,what is the config file?
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00:33<kop>ayaka: pxelinux.cfg It's all in the tarball. You have that? There's a whole pile of config stuff that winds up included via some sort of file inclusion and you need the whole file structure in place.
00:34<kop>ayaka: Right.
00:34<ayaka>I have this,unpack it?
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00:35<kop>ayaka: Right. In the directory served by the tftp server.
00:36<ayaka>ok,I shall off line,to try,thank you
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00:50<siput>hi, can anyone give me the lxde debian 5(lenny) ISO CD images link?
00:51<dpkg>Lenny is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15 and superseded by Squeeze as of 2011-02-06: . Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>, <lenny release notes>, <install lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.8>.
00:52<kop>siput: You really want lenny?
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00:52<siput>@kop..yup..for my project..
00:53<kop>siput: Humm. There's something that tells you what cd a particular package is on, but I don't know what it is.
00:55<siput> there any direct link for me to download?
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00:55<kop>siput: Check the oldstable page reachable from where it says available versions of debian.
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00:55<kop>!install lenny
00:55<dpkg>Links to Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 ("Lenny") installation images are provided at . Note that Lenny has been superseded by Squeeze, ask me about <install squeeze>. See also <errata lenny> and <lenny install guide>.
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00:58<siput>@kop.. there are a lot of iso(full packages), what im looking for is only 1 iso contain lxde/xfce..:P
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01:02<gsimmons>siput: You can install XFCE using the CD-1, netinst or businesscard images using an installer boot option (/msg dpkg install xfce). If you really need the xfce+lxde CD image, you'll need to use jigdo to acquire, as this is no longer present in the 5.0.8 archives.
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01:04<siput>owh..ok thanks gsimmons
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01:19<mysidux>hi all. whats this problem?
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01:21<mysidux>hi all. whats this problem?
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01:21<retrospectacus>mysidux: you have a malformed user:pass@ part - you should take it out
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01:23<mysidux>retrospectacus: after copy 200mg i see this problem.
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01:24*retrospectacus shrug.. some problem or other, try again
01:25<mysidux>retrospectacus: resume or retry not successfull.
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01:42<flaccid>wetard: we don't care.
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01:45<mysidux>retrospectacus: > smb:// yes, work
01:47<mysidux>retrospectacus: i'm could not copy larg file via network now
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02:25<dominick>Hi! I have a strange problem. I have a connoi tablet PC, preinstalled with Win7 OEM, and I freed up a partition to install debian in it. Debian works find, but everytime I boot into Windows and restart, GRUB doesn't load. Luckily, I have also installed grub to a usb drive. What do I do to fix this?
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02:26<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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02:27<flaccid>where is the official doc on installing a DE such as gnome or kde?
02:27<dominick>jm_: thanks, but I need to do that everytime I boot into windows... So is there an alternative?
02:27<jm_>dominick: well find out why windows does this
02:28<dominick>jm_: what I am assuming is windows changes something in MBR (It's OEM version). I was wondering if there's a way in grub that can stop windows from doing that!
02:28<jm_>dominick: no, how could it?
02:28<dominick>jm_: do I have any other alternative apart from grub?
02:29<jm_>dominick: sure, but if windows overwrites MBR changing boot loader won't help
02:29<jm_>!install gnome
02:29<dpkg>To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>.
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02:29<flaccid>jm_: thanks. this isn't in the doc though from what i can see...
02:30<flaccid>!install kde
02:30<dpkg>From squeeze onwards, the 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". See also <KDE>.
02:30<dominick>jm_: is there a way to discover exactly what changed in grub after I booted into windows?
02:30<jm_>dominick: inspect the MBR
02:30<dominick>jm_: how do I go about it?
02:31<flaccid>hmm gnome-desktop-environment and kde-standard - inconsistent pkg naming
02:31<jm_>dominick: dd if=/dev/sda count=1 | xxd
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03:20<mehdi_>can some1 tell me about enlightment desktop?
03:21<simonrvn>they have a web site
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03:27<mehdi_>@simonrvn i know is it sth like GNOME?
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03:29<simonrvn>mehdi_: yes and no
03:29<simonrvn>visit their site
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03:32<mehdi_>y no?
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03:55<ayaka>hello,I have a problem about PXE install debian,I unpacked the netboot.tar.gz but can't boot
03:56<ayaka>kop,I still have problem
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04:16<eponymous>Anyone here having problems with their mouse freezing up (for 4-7 seconds) sporadically?
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04:17<amitz>have you change your mouse?
04:17<eponymous>I think it started for me yesterday. coinciding with a huge database trawl that banshee was (and still is) carrying out. all other parts of the desktop function, I can still switch desktops using Ctrl+Alt and <- or -> keys, but the mouse just locks up for a bit.
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04:18<eponymous>amitz, nope, it's the same 2.4ghz wireless mouse and keyboard I've been using for a while now.
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04:19<eponymous>Logitech Cordless Desktop Pro 2400
04:19<eponymous>(incidentally, I've been looking for a way to map the extra function keys on this keyboard, to make them useful)
04:20<eponymous>amitz, have you had any mouse freeze instances?
04:20<eponymous>I think it's something in the desktop, rather than the mouse/usb controller.
04:20<amitz>what does dmesg or /var/log/syslog say when it happens
04:21<amitz>i did, but i can't recall the fix.
04:21<eponymous>amitz, I'm a newbie so could you explain how I would use dmesg?
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04:21<eponymous>I can use Terminal fairly well, but never had to do a dmesg command.
04:22<amitz>as root,just type dmesg. see if it taalks about usb connecting/disconnecting
04:22<amitz>after it happens
04:22<eponymous>ah, so it's some sort of error report repository? (like Window's admin's error logs)?
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04:23<amitz>but i suspect that's not it, but no harm to try
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04:23<amitz>more like normal system log.
04:24<eponymous>wow, quite a list of errors. gonna take a moment to check them.
04:24<amitz>also: cat /var/log/syslog
04:24<amitz>just see the lastt few pages
04:24<eponymous>thanks for the suggestion amitz, I'll be back after I've read through the output.
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04:28<eponymous>nothing mouse/usb related
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04:28<eponymous>a tonne of operapluginwrap errors
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04:28<eponymous>but that's mostly because I'm using an unstable version of Opera, I think.
04:29<jm_>that's because flash crap is crashing
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04:29<eponymous>I have found a few instances of Flashplugin errors. I think that might also be playing a part.
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04:29<eponymous>yeah jm_
04:29<eponymous>I don't get why Flash is so unstable now.
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04:29<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
04:29<eponymous>it used to work fairly well a few years back, 2008-9.
04:30<eponymous>hi geemyx
04:30<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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04:31<eponymous>would I be correct in thinking that a "segfault at ..." in relation to a volume is warning of a bad sector/drive?
04:31<eponymous>scratch that, my misreading of the error
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04:31<eponymous>it's also to do with Operaplugin :|
04:32<eponymous>I think I might just have to go back to iceweasel.
04:32<eponymous>I so prefer Opera, best browser going, imo.
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04:33<eponymous>so... anyone else having sporadic mouse lock-ups/freezes lasting roughly 4-7seconds?
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04:37<jm_>try seeing if it happens during heavy IO workloads
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04:41<eponymous>jm_, I have a huge playlist import going on in the background - banshee's importing the database from rhythmbox - and a 720p HD movie playing in vlc, plus 2 terminal instances, this xirc and opera with 5 tabs. All running fairly well on an old athlon x2.
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04:42<eponymous>I'm managing to type and code pages (learning c at the moment, as well as doing some work in php/mysql), watch movies and surf without the load slowing or freezing anything else.
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04:43<eponymous>just the mouse. even the seconds on the clock tick along, while the mouse freezes up.
04:43<eponymous>I'm going to downgrade my Flash back to, I installed a preview version (10.3...) alongside Opera.
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05:32<dupondje>Somebody knows if its possible to convert a running system from 1 disk to a RAID1 with 2 disks ?
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05:38<cthuluh>dupondje: yes it is
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05:40<dupondje>cthuluh: I tried manual on , but it seems like rebooting after updating grub.cfg seems to fail
05:40<dupondje>sadly I can't see the screen of the server where it goes wrong (dedicated server)
05:41<dupondje>you see anything wrong/missing in the manual?
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05:43<heinvd>I need help
05:43<heinvd>Debian Lenny Setting up Postfix with SASL Authentication using Dovecot
05:44<eponymous>anyone know of a good(ish) vector graphics programme in Linux? I'm trying to wean myself off Adobe, as they're the last and only reason I dip into my Vista system.
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05:45<dupondje>eponymous: GIMP doesn't do vectors ?
05:46<heinvd>Thanks Duponje...
05:46<cthuluh>eponymous: inkscape, karbon
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05:46<heinvd>what about Xara eponymous?
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05:46<eponymous>dupondje, I find Gimp a little trying for doing anything more than bitmaps. I'm learning how to do things the Gimp-way (unlearning a lot of photoshop) but, I don't feel brave enough to try using gimp for proper illustrator stuff.
05:46<cthuluh>eponymous: I don't, but I don't have enough time to read the whole article
05:47<eponymous>cthuluh, I've tried Inkscape, but I'll give Karbon a go.
05:47<cthuluh>my GF uses inkscape and is happy with it
05:47<eponymous>heinvd, Xara? as in the Coreldraw people? cool, might be good, totally forgot about them. I'll download that.
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05:49<cthuluh>eponymous: sorry, one of my sentences was addressed to dupondje
05:49<eponymous>cthuluh, Inkscape does seem capable, just feels a little too alien to me still. was wondering if there might be other programmes that do the job better (or perhaps, mimic the Illustrator way and so are more familiar).
05:50<dupondje>cthuluh: heh ok :)
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06:05<broucaries1>try to link a fortran lib with -Wl,--no-undefined -Wl,--no-allow-shlib-undefined and it fail with
06:05<broucaries1>/lib/ undefined reference to `_dl_argv@GLIBC_PRIVATE'
06:05<broucaries1>/lib/ undefined reference to `_rtld_global_ro@GLIBC_PRIVATE'
06:05<broucaries1>/lib/ undefined reference to `__tls_get_addr@GLIBC_2.3'
06:05<broucaries1>/lib/ undefined reference to `_rtld_global@GLIBC_PRIVATE'
06:05<broucaries1>/lib/ undefined reference to `__libc_enable_secure@GLIBC_PRIVATE'
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06:11<winnie_>are there any tools that offer additional debugging for scripts that the cmd?
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06:11<winnie_>***something that offers more debugging information than the cmd
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06:15<babilen>winnie_: than which command? what are you trying to debug?
06:15<winnie_>i was just trying out a script that automatically uploads files to an ftp server
06:15<winnie_>but i am asking for general purpuses
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06:16<winnie_>the cmd debugging is very good, i was just wondering really
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06:16<babilen>most debugging techniques are language specific. You would debug a C program differently than one written in Python for example.
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06:17<winnie_>of course, that i understand
06:17<winnie_>so i was looking for a bash scripting specific debug tool
06:17<jm_>winnie_: yes, there is bash debugger
06:17<petemc>add -x to the shebang line
06:17<broucaries1>hi anybody with knowledge of ld ?
06:17<jm_>or use set -x
06:18<babilen>Ah, ok. I found that including "set -x" after the shebang (#!/bin/bash) line helps a lot
06:18<broucaries1>I try to build some fortran lib with -Wl,--no-allow-shlib-undefined
06:18<winnie_>so: #!/bin/bash -x
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06:18<broucaries1>and I get /lib/ undefined reference to `_dl_argv@GLIBC_PRIVATE'
06:19<babilen>winnie_: Rather: "#!/bin/bash\nset -x" (\n == new line)
06:19<winnie_>awesome, thank you
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06:19<babilen>no problem
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06:20<winnie_>ah that was exacly what i was looking for even if i didnt know it
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06:20<babilen>winnie_: hehe :)
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06:24<nisse>how do I change the keyboard language on squeeze? tried dpkg-reconfigure console-data without the result I was hoping for :(
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06:24<dpkg>Lenny users: To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" (use loadkeys for once-only/temporary adjustments). To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" and ask me about <xorg config lenny>; gnome-control-center and kcontrol can also be used. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. Squeeze users: run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" for both console and X.
06:25<babilen>we might want to change the order in that factoid. (squeeze first, then lenny)
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06:33<nisse>jm_: for some reason none of the commands worked.. had to use the graphical console.. wtf :(
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06:35<babilen>nisse: What hasn't worked exactly?
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06:35<babilen>nisse: What did you expect to happen and what is the "graphical console"?
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06:38<nisse>babilen: the reconfigure commands seemed to work, located and selected the language I wanted, didn't get any errors, but the language didn't change.. when selecting language from the x start menu -> System -> ... the language changed..
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06:40<dupondje>When does grub2 write its config to the MBR ? As I guess when root device changes, it needs to write that to the mbr? update-grub only updates grub.cfg? Or also the MBR ?
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06:41<jm_>dupondje: grub doesn't write its config to MBR
06:41<babilen>nisse: That configuration was probably shadowed by gnome-settings-daemon which used its own configuration and not the system default. Not entirely sure about that though.
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06:42<dupondje>jm_: how it finds the /boot device then ?
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06:44<jm_>dupondje: it reads the config file - that's why it has fs drivers in stage2
06:45<nisse>babilen: that sounds likely.. as long as it works :)
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06:46<dupondje>jm_: but how it knows what drive to check for the config file ? :)
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06:46<markus_>ask your friendly mbr ...
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06:47<heinvd>dupondje, i referred to the link you supplied.... no luck
06:47<jm_>dupondje: default is the boot drive
06:47<dupondje>heinvd: should work, using quite a similar setup here :)
06:47<dupondje>jm_: ok :) Cause i'm trying to migrate a running system from single hdd to raid1 (mdadm)
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06:48<dupondje>but seems to fail to boot every time somehow
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06:48<heinvd>I can send mail from php, that works fine
06:48<heinvd>when I want to set up a mail account in outlook , does not work.... keeps on getting authentication failed message...
06:48<jm_>dupondje: as in /boot is in raid too?
06:48<dupondje>heinvd: inbound does work ?
06:49<dupondje>jm_: yep
06:49<dupondje>jm_: grub2 got mdadm support and ext4 ? so should quite work no ?
06:49<jm_>dupondje: not sure about ext4, as for raid - some stuff is there
06:50<jm_>I typically exclude /boot from raid
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06:50<jm_>dupondje: but yes, grub1 did write config file location to MBR IIRC
06:50<dupondje>jm_: used
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06:51<dupondje>but after changing grub2 to use the raid devices as boot disks, it seems to fail to boot :s
06:52<jm_>how did you install grub?
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06:53<dupondje>jm_: mount md devices to /mnt, then chroot to /mnt, and update-grub
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06:53<dupondje>then it generates (I think correct) grub.cfg
06:53<jm_>dupondje: you mean grub-install?
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06:53<babilen>jm_: I guess that is the part that was missing ;)
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06:54<dupondje>jm_: is grub-install needed? as grub2 is already in the mbr no ?
06:55<jm_>dupondje: does it finds its modules?
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06:56<heinvd>dupondje, when im on the server, I can send mail to external addresses. when i send to an address on my server from outside, i don't get it on the server
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06:57<heinvd>(i am a noob to linux, setup apache, php5, mysql etc. but for the past 2 days battling with this mail issue....
06:57<dupondje>jm_: prolly it missed indeed the raid module in the mbr ... :p
06:58<jm_>dupondje: hmm no, modules are loaded from /boot/grub dir
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06:59<dupondje>jm_: but some modules need to be in the mbr ofc
06:59<dupondje>cause it can't load modules from /boot/grub if it can't mount /boot ;)
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07:01<jm_>dupondje: that's what stage1 is for
07:01<jm_>but I think this is no longer proper terminology for grub2
07:02<dupondje>modules are put in the mbr
07:02<dupondje>with grub-install
07:02<jm_>no, they can't be in MBR :)
07:03<dupondje>but grub-install install modules ... :p
07:03<jm_>rightm it creates core image and embeds it in empty space I think, so if it's missing raid stuff there it would explain why it doesn't work
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07:05<jm_>this one: /boot/grub/core.img
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07:09<heinvd>quick question.... mail.log tells me that postfix connect to private/auth failed, no such file or directory.
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07:09<heinvd>what should that file contain?
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07:10<heinvd>sorry... got it....
07:10<heinvd>its in the dovecot.conf file
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07:11<heinvd>does anybody know of a easier way to get your mail server to work?
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07:16<dupondje>jm_: woot :D it rebooted fine now
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07:16<dupondje>thanks for pointing me to grub-install :)
07:16<winnie_>alrighty then, so i got this script to upload files to an ftp server and modified it to download. My plan is to make a script that automatically downloads the pictures from my android via ftp. Everything works now. My question is:
07:17<winnie_>when declaring a variable like this localdir="/home/guest/desktop"
07:17<winnie_>is there a way to pass the current date into there?
07:17<winnie_>so that the pictures from my phone end up in "/home/guest/pictuers/***TODAYS DATE***
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07:23<vadimfonov>Hello gays. somebody speaks russian? I need help
07:23<jm_>dupondje: cool
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07:23<jm_>dupondje: so grub2 is indeed different in this respect - I was deeply familiar with grub1, but stopped following its development lately
07:23<dupondje>jm_: now I want to add old /dev/sda2 to the raid, but it gives device in use ... any idea? its not mounted :s
07:24<jm_>dupondje: what says that?
07:24<amphi>!tell vadimfonov -about ru
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07:25<dupondje>lsof /dev/sda2 should give output when its in use no ?
07:25<vadimfonov>amphi thx ;)
07:25<amphi>you're welcome
07:25<vadimfonov>!tell vadimfonov -about ru
07:25<vadimfonov>-about ru
07:25<amphi>!tell vadimfonov -about selftell
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07:26<winnie_>i found this on another site filename="db_daily_"`eval date +%Y%m%d`".tgz" but i cant get it to work :/
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07:26<amphi>vadimfonov: do /msg dpkg ru
07:27<alu>Can loop iso mount path can be integrated in aptitude/synaptic source paths (to avoid DVD changes...) ?
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07:27<vadimfonov>Ouh... amphi, i can't join to server just!!
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07:28<jm_>alu: what are you trying to do?
07:28<amphi>vadimfonov: why not? /connect
07:29<heinvd>dupondje... your a star...! I can now connect via outlook, send email to myself and other users on my server....
07:29<heinvd>I can not send email outside my network - relay access denied..... how can I fix that?
07:30<vadimfonov>amphi, not work
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07:30<dupondje>heinvd: that are postfix settings
07:31<dupondje>you should allow to relay when sasl_auth'ed
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07:31<dupondje>I have: smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated reject_unauth_destination
07:31<amphi>vadimfonov: or /server (that will disconnect you from here)
07:31<vadimfonov>amphi: i try to connect over 6667 port, thats correct?
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07:32<heinvd>that I check in the file
07:32<vadimfonov>amphi: its commands dont work in my client, its smuxi on ubuntu
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07:32<amphi>vadimfonov: then you should ask in #ubuntu
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07:33<vadimfonov>amphi: there is silence and 4 body ;(
07:34<alu>jm_: I'm trying to include debian iso DVD contents into synaptic package manager to avoid physical DVD changes.
07:34<vadimfonov>amphi: server write to me "15:32 -!- Connection to port 6667 has failed (attempt 1), retrying in 120 seconds..."
07:35<jm_>alu: ok, but what does loop have t do with it?
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07:35<alu>jm_: I dunno "mount -o loop" is supposed to be used in this case ?...
07:36<vadimfonov>amphi: wow, i has found my error, just my proxy in banlist ;(((
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07:36<jm_>alu: you copied DVD contents on disk or what?
07:38<alu>jm_: Yes, though I downloaded them as is : iso...
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07:39<alu>jm_: Actually I'm downloading from 5 to 8 amd64 binaries...
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07:39<alu>jm_: yes !
07:40<alu>jm_: I thought 8 DVDs for a single DVD reader is much too much...
07:42<jm_>alu: check if apt options for CDROM can help you with this (Acquire -> cdrom)
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07:43<jm_>alu: you can certainly achieve it, via fstab if nothing else
07:43<alu>jm_: Okay, If the DVDs were already mounted as loop iso and registered in some way in package managers, it could save much time in my installs...
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07:48<winnie_>ok, using ncftpget, can i download all files from a remote directory to a specified local without copying the tree?
07:48<winnie_>i.e: i want all the files in the 100MEDIA folder, but i dont want the 100MEDIA folder on my local tree
07:48<winnie_>i am on the man page but i cant find anything
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07:54<alu>winnie_: Can't you get them all together in 100MEDIA and move them afterward ?
07:54<winnie_>thats what i decided to do
07:54<winnie_>plus i get to seperate the jpg from the 3gp now :D:D
07:55<alu>eh, nice. (find)
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08:05<winnie_>erhm using ncftpget, can i set a parameter so that it doesnt re-download and overwrite existing flags?
08:05<winnie_>i swear i AM looking at the man page!
08:06<jm_>why are you insisting on using ncftpget?
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08:07<winnie_>well i got a ready script of google
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08:07<winnie_>at this point its so modified that it doesnt even resemble the original..
08:08<alu>winnie_: -T ?
08:08<winnie_>so i guess i dont have to
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08:08<winnie_>The downside to using TAR is that it forces downloading of the whole directory, even if you had previously downloaded a portion of it earlier, so you may want to use this option if you want to resume downloading of a directory.
08:09<winnie_>jm_: whats ur suggestion?
08:09<jm_>winnie_: lftp
08:09<winnie_>alirghty then
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08:11<winnie_>so mget -c?
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08:11<winnie_>lftp seems to have a much better man page i'll figure it out, thnx jm
08:12<jm_>winnie_: mget -c yes
08:13<jm_>winnie_: to only download updated files use "mirror"
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08:36<jo>what is it?
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08:58<muchosoft>hola, alguien puede ayudarme a instalar los drivers privativos de nvidia?
08:59<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
08:59<babilen>muchosoft: Or speak English in here :)
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08:59<babilen>!tell muchosoft -about nvidia
08:59<dpkg>Install either <nouveau> (no 3D support) or the appropriate proprietary driver package for your card. For GeForce 6xxx through to some GeForce 400 series, ask me about <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>; for older series, ask about <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. For oldstable, see <nvidia lenny>. packages are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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09:00<muchosoft>nobody answered me in Spanish channel ='(
09:00<SynrG>try the best you can here in english, then
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09:01<abcd82>If i want to make system path, like /myoptdir and install my compiled applications there, i need to add that path to /etc/profile, lib path in /etc/*.conf and edit man path in /etc/manpath.config correct? Nothing missing?
09:01<muchosoft>my English is bad. I'm using the google translator to speak :p
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09:01<muchosoft>the graphics card I have is a Nvidia 8500 GT
09:02<abcd82>so that applications behave as "normal ones"
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09:02<SynrG>abcd82: why is /usr/local not suitable for you?
09:04<muchosoft>nvidia-installer --uninstall
09:04<muchosoft>bash: nvidia-installer: no se encontró la orden
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09:04<abcd82>im learning and want to make my own sandbox, that if something goes wrong i can delete all contents of /myoptdir without risking system stability :)
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09:06<abcd82>im not normal in that way, before doing something i think about how to undo it first :)
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09:07<SynrG>abcd82: no debian package should ever include /usr/local material anyway, so this is already the case
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09:11<abcd82>i use /usr/local for packages which i created with checkinstall and dpkg-deb, but i wanted to make "dirty" directory where i could simply do make instal
09:12<masterJ>anybody still use windowmaker?
09:12<fnmueller>chances are high
09:13<masterJ>does it play nicely with gnome?
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09:16<SynrG>abcd82: removal of the whole thing sounds messy. you could make /opt/whatever per package that you want to keep "isolated". that is what /opt is for ... then you could drop symlinks in /usr/local/bin per executable that you want ... as for "polluting" /etc/ with that, i'm not sure i'd do that (if the material is really that questionable) and likewise my manpath. i'd just deal with those things on a case-by-case basis (maybe a ...
09:16<SynrG>... wrapper script to set the load path correctly? unsure about the manpath ... maybe stuff could be symlinked to the material in /opt as per the binary?)
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09:17<SynrG>for the few things i've installed this way (e.g. netbeans) i've not had to worry about man pages, nor load path.
09:18<SynrG>as generally it is packaged by upstream in a way that makes it possible to deploy in an all-in-one-dir arrangement under /opt quite nicely.
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09:18<SynrG>oh. one more thing to consider is /usr/share/applications for .desktop files.
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09:21<winnie_>i really dont get how to use lftp in a script
09:22<winnie_>what command do i use to pass my user and pass to lftp and then call the script using -f ?
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09:24<abcd82>SynrG: problem with symlinks etc. it thats not a fact i'l remember tomorrow what i did today, so in time mess is a guarantee :) ok how about path in user home dir, how to deal with man path and lib path, red something about LD_LIBRARY_PATH
09:25<SynrG>winnie_: passing credentials plaintext from a script like that is a bad idea. i'd see if i could set up my transfer using a public key and scp/sftp instead.
09:25<winnie_>it's only going to be used in the LAN network is it really still an issue?
09:25<SynrG>abcd82: if your administration of your system is really so ad-hoc, you have bigger problems.
09:26<winnie_>synrg did you test deleting that lock file btw?
09:26<SynrG>abcd82: you're as likely to forget all the places you grafted in your special directory as not be able to figure out what to do with dangling symlinks into /opt/whatever (due to having removed /opt/whatever later)
09:26<SynrG>winnie_: yes. works like a charm. thanks again
09:27<winnie_>hehe no problem, glad i can help for once
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09:30<SynrG>winnie_: yes, if you care about the security of your LAN, you really should pay attention to such things. supposing there is a zero-day exploit that leaks some private details through an account that otherwise has no privileges. the attacker might escalate by slurping up the credentials now visible via the commandline. now the attacker has access to *two* systems instead of just one.
09:31<abcd82>SynrG: well its only two files modified plus one added, instead of lots of symlinks, to me looks cleaner way
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09:31<SynrG>winnie_: or, well, two accounts
09:31<SynrG>(two systems if the ftp server is on a different system)
09:31<SynrG>win 2
09:32<abcd82>SynrG: i mean i'm home user not on server or something :)
09:32<winnie_>in this case its an ftp started from an android just under the time its going to be used for a couple of minutes, the user and pass are guest and 123456, its nothing i normally use to log into anything else anyway, so anyone having access to my script will get 0 usefull information, but i do get your point
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09:33<SynrG>abcd82: well, the thing that looks really ugly to me is lumping all the "dirty" stuff together in one directory, so you can't disentangle it when something goes wrong. my approach is more surgical.
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09:33<SynrG>abcd82: anyway, as i said, pay attention to your .desktop files. you didn't consider that
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09:33<SynrG>abcd82: those are used to populate your menu
09:34<SynrG>winnie_: it only takes a fraction of a second to get hacked :p
09:34<winnie_>i guess if you were my boss you should fire me now :P
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09:35<winnie_>luckily i dont work with networks
09:35<SynrG>why isn't scp suitable here?
09:35<SynrG>surely android is ssh-capable ...
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09:36<SynrG>it's a much better solution and very easy to deploy
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09:37<winnie_>well i just wasted 1 hour writing a script using ncftp before realizing ncftp sucks so right now i just want to get it done.
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09:38<winnie_>i struggle with much simpler things than you do so "easy to deploy" means x10 the time it takes you
09:38<SynrG>hm. well ... ime, ftp is nothing but a world of hurt
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09:38<winnie_>i've learned that if you are a complete perfectionist you end up not finishing anything
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09:40<SynrG>but i've learned that going with what everyone else recommends/uses often saves a lot of time and grief. just saying ...
09:40<SynrG>but if you want to go ahead with lftp, good luck. the answer is probably lurking in the doc there somewhere ...
09:40<winnie_>i got lftp recomended from here
09:40<SynrG>i'm not spending any more time trying to help you shoot yourself in the foot though :)
09:41<SynrG>oh, for sure, lftp is much nicer than ncftp.
09:41<winnie_>so your suggestion is to use sftp through ssh?
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09:41<SynrG>well, scp probably. sftp is something you'd tend to use interactively.
09:41<weasel>or rsync
09:41<amitz>scp <source> <target>, rsync <source> <target>, as simple as that.
09:41<winnie_>rsync won't do the job because i neet to move a folder remotely
09:42<winnie_>i already have an rsync script for something else
09:42<weasel>whatever you say.
09:42<winnie_>now i want to copy all the pictures of the cellphone, put them in a folder named after the current date, and move the folder on the cellphone within the cellphone
09:42<weasel>maybe you should familiarize yourself with the tools some more
09:43<fnmueller>typical case of rtfm dyslexia? ;-)
09:43<winnie_>i already have a working script using ncftp, but i cant get it to do that last step
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09:43<winnie_>i have 2 manuals open that i've almost completely read.
09:44<babilen>winnie_: just fyi: rsync works fine for transfers to/from remote hosts
09:44<winnie_>whatever i'll figure it out, thnx for all the help
09:44<winnie_>i know, but it wont move the folder in the remote machine
09:44<winnie_>right now lftp mirror works great too
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09:44<winnie_>i am just trying to make it move a folder on the remote machine
09:44<weasel>ssh $fooo mv
09:45<amitz>or in general, ssh <targethost> <command>, you're set to go.
09:45<winnie_>the "machine" is an android cellphone
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09:45<weasel>so installing an sshd should be possible.
09:47<abcd82>SynrG: .desktop files are less important, always can run with alt+F2 or in terminal. anyway, i get your point and its valid, will need to think about this, thank you
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09:47<winnie_>phone needs to be rooted
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09:51<winnie_>so i can't get any help with lftp here?
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09:52<amitz>fewer people know lftp so you need to be more patient.
09:52<amitz>you can read the manual while waiting ;-)
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09:52<winnie_>i am :)
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09:54<amitz>or a trivial visit to #android can solve your problem instanly?
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09:55<winnie_>thank you
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09:56<winnie_>i seem to be getting some success anyway
09:56<sylock>I have a problem with a python software that need xpath. With Lenny, I used to install python-xml. But that package is not available in squeeze anymore.
09:56<sylock>how can I resolve that?
10:00<winnie_>python-xmltv - allows Python applications to access XMLTV data
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10:05<SynrG>!dbugs 540475
10:05<dpkg>DONE:#540475:N[] RM: python-xml (); Sat, 08 Aug 2009 10:30:05 UTC []
10:05<SynrG>sylock: ^^ it is claimed in this bug that core python includes the newer version
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10:18<sylock>SynrG, Ok. But why my application claimed it can't load the module? I installed python 2.6. Should I install the 2.5?
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10:19<SynrG>i doubt it
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10:21<babilen>sylock: Which module is that?
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10:22<sylock>SynrG, babilen : here is the output :
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10:24<SynrG>sounds like the application needs to be fixed to solve this a different way
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10:24<SynrG>recommending to install an obsolete and buggy package is not good
10:25<babilen>sylock: And you get that from the version of openerp-server in Squeeze?
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10:26<sylock>no. this is a pretty old openerp version, customized for a client. We need to change the server so I'm trying to make it working on a squeeze.
10:26<SynrG>the fact that openerp in squeeze is maintained by the QA group is *not* a good sign :(
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10:26<sylock>this is not the packaged version
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10:27<SynrG>sylock: it may be less work to run such old stuff on lenny ...
10:27<babilen>sylock: Well, that is most likely your problem. I agree with SynrG that maintainence by the QA team is also not a great sign. (But that does not necessarily mean that it is not well maintained, just that there is no real maintainer now)
10:28<heinvd>Hi Everyone.
10:28<SynrG>meanwhile, i'd say it's time to explore the possibility of moving the software forward to a newer openerp release.
10:28<babilen>sylock: Can't you upgrade to a more recent openerp version? (i.e. the one shipped with squeeze)
10:28<heinvd>I need a bit of help setting up a debian lenny mail server
10:28*babilen hands heinvd a packet of help
10:29<sylock>SynrG, babilen : I'll ask to the devs. But it's not so easy. The application is in production. And my collegues developped customized modules.
10:29<sylock>customized openerp modules
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10:29<SynrG>sylock: believe me, i feel your pain. i develop software on OpenVMS/Alpha for a living ...
10:30<heinvd>thanks babilen.....
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10:30<heinvd>i set up postfix
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10:30<babilen>sylock: Well, you can't develop against an old version forever. That is a trap a lot of companies/groups fall into. Most commonly seen from PHP devels in the wild :)
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10:31<SynrG>sylock: you might be able to get away with running it in a VM of an older release running on top of squeeze for a little while, for instance, but eventually you need to take the leap forward.
10:31<babilen>sylock: I know that this doesn't help much. Sure you can install an older version of Python, but I would deem that only a solution for as long as it takes you to port your application to a recent supported version.
10:32<babilen>sylock: I feel your pain though :)
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10:32<babilen>heinvd: Why postfix and not exim4?
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10:36<SgrA>Can I deny a particular user access to the network? If so, how?
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10:37<babilen>SgrA: How is do you identify the user?
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10:37*spieva wita
10:37<binar>SgrA: iptables has a module called owner, you can use that to prevent a local user from accessing the network
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10:38<babilen>That won't work if the user uses his/her own system
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10:38<SgrA>binar: Ah, it is a local user, if I forgot to mention. (Just me testing some things, actually :)
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10:39<vanhein22>Hi Everyone....
10:40<vanhein22>Please can anyone assist me with debian postfix dovecot setup
10:40<babilen>SgrA: Yeah, use iptables to not route packets from that user. (ipt_owner et al)
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10:41<babilen>vanhein22: Sure, but that just smells like "I followed a particular tutorial and now it is not working as expected" which tutorial is that? Why postfix and not exim4?
10:41<vanhein22>babilen... your right...
10:41<babilen>SgrA: --uid-owner USERNAME -j DROP IIRC
10:42<babilen>vanhein22: I also know nothing about postfix (as opposed to #postfix on freenode)
10:42<SgrA>babilen/binar: thanks
10:42<vanhein22>I setup a web server with apache2, mysql, phpmyadmin, etc...
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10:42<babilen>SgrA: Have fun -- You might want to ask about this in ##netfilfter on freenode, they might know better ways.
10:43<vanhein22>i can send mail from the server externally
10:43<babilen>vanhein22: ugh, well, you have fun. Just ask your question (as precise as possible) and maybe someone helps you. You might also want to link to the particular tutorial you followed.
10:43<vanhein22>can receive mail in outlook sent from outside....
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10:44<vanhein22>but i can't send mail from outlook to my server at all (local or external)....
10:44<winnie_>lftp -e "mirror -c $remotedir $localdir;mkdir /DCIM/$DATE; mv /DCIM/100MEDIA/*.jpg /DCIM/$DATE/; quit" -u $user,$pass -p $port -d $adress
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10:44<vanhein22>(Thanks babilen.)
10:44<winnie_>this works up untill the mv /DCIM/100MEDIA part since it tries to move the local files, any suggestions to make it move the remote files?
10:45<babilen>vanhein22: Logs on the server? Error from the client? But as I said, /me knows nothing about postfix, dislikes mysql, is appaled by phpmyadmin and a happy user of dovecot :)
10:45<vanhein22>The Error: none of the authentication methods supported by this client are supported by your server...
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10:45<babilen>vanhein22: Well, that is a perfect error to work with. You probably want to make sure that your server speaks TLS
10:46<babilen>vanhein22: Assuming that Outlook supports that
10:46<vanhein22>babilen, outlook does..
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10:47<vanhein22>TLS, do i set that up in the dovecot side, or on postfix?
10:47<babilen>I thought you have problems to sent mails to the MTA, wasn't that so?
10:48<vanhein22>MTA, meaning Dovecot?
10:48<vanhein22>(easy on me.... im a noob...)
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10:49<jhutchins_lt>vanhein22: postfix.
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10:50<babilen>MTA == Mail Transfer Agent == Postfix (in this case)
10:51<vanhein22>ah ok.. Thanks guys.... That I should have known, but been battling for over 48 hours with this issue, everthing that made sense confused me all over again... lmao
10:52*babilen would recommend exim4 -- much easier configuration than postfix. I can't tell you how to enable/configure TLS in postfix.
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10:53<vanhein22>not a problem... i think what I will do is to remove postfix and dovecot and go with exim4.
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10:54<babilen>You probably still want dovecot as IMAP/POP3 server .. (if you desire that)
10:54<babilen>I have to go, may you succeed in your endeavour!
10:54<vanhein22>so exim4 is a MTA...., right?
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10:54<vanhein22>Thanks Babilen...
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10:55<abcd82>SynrG: i want to torment you a little more :)
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10:57<cthuluh> /away
10:57<cthuluh>oops :)
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10:58<sylock>babilen, SynrG : just to get you in touch. I succeed to make this old openerp version running on squeeze. I installed the xml package from sources ( and then need to modify the code because there are variables "as" that became keywords
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11:00<abcd82>SynrG: the point of /myoptdir is that it 99% time will be empty, its like a temporary directory, while playing around with ./configure options and quick way to make install , when done with that, files either will be deleted either wild be packed in *.deb package
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11:01<SynrG>abcd82: i see
11:01<SynrG>sylock: ah. so ... success?
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11:03<sylock>SynrG, yeah ;)
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11:04<SynrG>sylock: glad to hear!
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11:06<abcd82>SynrG: so is that reasonable or there is better ways?
11:07<kop>!tell abcd82 about stow
11:08<SynrG>cool. i did not know about stow
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11:10<abcd82>great! thanks kop
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11:10<kop>abcd82: In general opt sucks. See also the <fhs> factoid.
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11:16<winnie_>jm_: finally, thnx for pointing me to lftp
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11:17<babilen>!tell abcd82 about stow usage
11:17<sret>and so the saga continues
11:18<sret>i managed to compile glib on this old machine i had
11:18<babilen>abcd82: It might help to have a little "command skeleton" to make sense of the stow documentation. :)
11:18<sret>compiling glib is painful, takes like 30 mins or so
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11:30<abcd82>babilen: haven't downloaded it yet, but if it does what dpkg tells thats good news :), because if make install directly in /usr/local its hard to follow what, where was installed, and each time do "DESTDIR=/tmp/111" then manualy remove files from /usr/local its slow way to do this, im sorry my_english=not_very_good_english
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11:33<sney>stow is awesome
11:35<babilen>abcd82: That is exactly what it does and I also share sney's sentiment. It eases local installation and in particular removals tremendously.
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11:36<abcd82>thanks all again
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11:40<babilen>abcd82: o/
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11:50<abcd82>babilen: so the idea it that stow is monitoring /usr/local/stow/ directory and logs all changes to its own database, because i don't call it directly, instead use --prefix=/usr/local/stow/"program"-"version" right?
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11:51<babilen>abcd82: You *do* call it directly. "stow program-version" is a direct call to stow and will create the necessary symlinks. It does not monitor anything, just creates suitable symlinks, so packages can be installed to /usr/local/foo_bar_baz/the_application-version (or /usr/local/stow/the_application-version)
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11:52<kop>abcd82: My guess would be that the ./configure has the install go in a place from which your invocation of stow then "actually installs". That way stow knows whats what.
11:53<abcd82>!stow usage
11:53<dpkg>A quick intro to <stow>: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version && make && make install; cd /usr/local/stow/ ; stow program-version. Use stow -D to remove. See also <usrlocal>.
11:53<satish>hey dominick!!!
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11:54<abcd82>i see, ..... ; stow program-version
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11:59<dominick>hey! #acharya
11:59<satish>oh k...
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12:04<kop>!tell abcd82 about selftell
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12:05<abcd82>sorry :)
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12:06<stderr>Is it all USB keyboards or just my USB keyboard that isn't supported by isolinux? I couldn't get the installer started until I found an _old_ PS/2 keyboard. As soon as the installer is started, the USB keyboard works again, so no problem there.
12:06<guillaume>Hi all, I have any trouble with multipath-tools, someone can help me ?
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12:07<guillaume>of courses, multipath-tools running under debian..
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12:09<Mads>I am having some problems with ssh/sftp..
12:10<petemc>just ask your question
12:10<Mads>When I comment out that subsystem line in sshd_config i can still connect after a reboot
12:10<Mads>to sftp that is
12:11<Mads>i want to disable it :)
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12:11<thewanderer1>stderr: all USB keyboards - you need USB->PS/2 emulation in BIOS, cheap BIOSes often don't have that
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12:13<guillaume>If i have to device comming from iscsi target, sdb and sdc for example, can I add this two device under one multipath ?
12:14<guillaume>(sorry for my english :( )
12:14<stderr>thewanderer1: The weird thing is that the keyboard works in the BIOS, so it should be emulated, right?
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12:15<kop>Mads: Maybe the default is to have it enabled and you need to manually disable it?
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12:16<thewanderer1>stderr: not really, I've seen one Intel BIOS (and I don't own that much hardware) that only emulates this in BIOS setup tool, but totally screws up for GRUB etc.
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12:17<kop>thewanderer1: Wow. PCs are so lame.
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12:17<Mads>kop: I thought about that but I couldn't find anything about it. Google says to comment it out. And I wouldn't know how to do it..
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12:18<stderr>thewanderer1: Hmm, ok... Guess I'll see if I can find a small USB->PS/2 hardware converter.
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12:18<thewanderer1>stderr: I usually work around these issues with PXE booting where applicable... or you can boot a default frugal install and then use kexec(), but that would actually require you to write some code
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12:19<stderr>thewanderer1: I'm not afraid of using a compiler... :-)
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12:19<thewanderer1>well, you could try putting together a boot process that uses Linux as a bootloader
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12:19<stderr>And it's actually my PXE server I'm reinstalling, so... :-/
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12:20<stderr>I'm going to order some more hard disks soon anyway, so if a converter doesn't cost way too much, I might as well get one.
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12:21<thewanderer1>heh, they're usually like $3
12:21<stderr>Right now, I'll just use an old PS/2 keyboard.
12:21<stderr>$3! Insane!!! :-)
12:21<kop>Mads: Did you consider reading the sshd_config man page?
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12:24<jhutchins_lt>Mads: Remember, google will find not only correct answers, but incorrect ones as well.
12:24<stderr>LOL! Belkin USB PS/2 converter: 150 danish kr. Targus USB Optical mouse with PS/2 converter: 139 danish kr. Guess I need a new mouse... Or need to find a cheaper shop, 139 dk kr. is "a bit" more than $3.
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12:26<kop>stderr: That's crazy. Those things are little dongles that shuffle the wires around to a different connector.
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12:28<jhutchins_lt>That's just barely enough cost to cover distribution, let alone manufacturing.
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12:30<Mads>kop: Yeah. it said "By default no subsystems are defined." hmm
12:30<abcd82>kop: babilen Wow stow truly is AMAZING, just tried out with transmission 2.22, simple, fast, what could you wish more, thx guys! For small apps i will even not bother making *deb's anymore, this tool is just great!!!
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12:30<babilen>abcd82: yay!! :)
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12:32<heinvd>howzit babilen.... can you direct me to a resource on how to install exim
12:33<Black_Prince>Anyone here used live cd's ?
12:33<babilen>heinvd: "aptitude install exim4" should do the trick?
12:33<heinvd>i removed postfix from my server now.... ready to give exim a try
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12:33<babilen>Black_Prince: Why? A lot of people probably?
12:34<Black_Prince>Because I tried gnome live cd
12:34<JesperKP>Good evening gentlemen. I have tried to figure out how to not have to rely on the sendmailconf but am so far not able to do that (well - except not install debian)... Are there any standard way to tell debian not to use sendmailconf? (no - dont have to suggest that I use postfix and so forth)
12:34<Black_Prince>And when I want to reboot from live cd, it only reloads the kernel, does not shut down the computer and start it again
12:34<Black_Prince>Same with kde live cd which my friend tried
12:35<heinvd>Thanks Babilen... its installed.... (that was quick).... how do I configure it? lol
12:35<babilen>heinvd: "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" is a reasonable course of action
12:35<babilen>!tell heinvd -about exim4
12:35<Black_Prince>!tell me about live cd
12:36<SynrG>abcd82: glad i took the effort to question the sanity of your previous approach, then :)
12:36<heinvd>!tell what is that...?
12:36<babilen>!tell heinvd -about msg the bot
12:37<SynrG>abcd82: and i'll definitely have to check out stow myself, now, because ... well ... to tell the truth, things have gotten a little messy over the years.
12:37<babilen>heinvd: It is a way to have the bot (dpkg) send private messages to selected users
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12:37<SynrG>the primary home system having been installed in 1995 or so and upgraded ever since.
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12:38<babilen>heinvd, Black_Prince: You can achieve the same thing by asking the bot directly with "/msg dpkg FACTOID" where FACTOID is the stuff in "<" and ">" that frequently appear in its information... "... ask me about <exim4>"
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12:38<Black_Prince>ok thanks
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12:38<heinvd>ah, thanks babilen... that is so cool
12:39<babilen>dpkg: you are cool
12:39<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
12:39<Black_Prince>dpkg: can I kiss you?
12:39<dpkg>Black_Prince: are you smoking crack?
12:40<babilen>But please don't abuse the bot :)
12:40<Black_Prince>well ...
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12:40<Black_Prince>Yeah, I already know that
12:40<jeroen__>dpkg: fetch!
12:40<dpkg>jeroen__: I don't know, could you explain it?
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12:41<SynrG>abuse? i'm sure the bot doesn't care one way or the other, but the others here might get annoyed
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12:41<abcd82>SynrG: yep thats right, no more need for /myoptdir anymore. :) and it even has "-d DIR, --dir=DIR Set stow dir to DIR (default is current dir)" so i can use any prefix i want, thats too good to be true
12:41<babilen>Ok, we all had our fun now. IIRC Black_Prince had a problem with the live CDs ... What do you (i.e. Black_Prince) mean by "it just reloads the kernel" ? It should reboot properly and start all over again IMHO
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12:41<SynrG>abcd82: lovely
12:42<SynrG>live CD?
12:42*SynrG perks
12:42<KOJIbKA>!live CD
12:42<dpkg>An operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own Live CD (, ask me about <debian live>.
12:42<babilen>SynrG: hehe, I know you'll come in handy :)
12:42<SynrG>ah. that's kexec
12:42<babilen>It must have been ... so you use kexec on the live cds? thats just marvellous :)
12:43<navneeth>what is debian
12:43<SynrG>well, i don't think it's intentional :p
12:43<babilen>!tell navneeth -about debian
12:43<babilen>SynrG: haha
12:43<Black_Prince>Well, the problem is when I click reboot in gnome desktop it starts shutting down, but instead turning off the computer and turning up again, it just starts loading system from the beggining (that's what I meant by reloading the kernel) ... No bios post message, nor boot prompt
12:43<navneeth>i am new to debian
12:43<Black_Prince>turning on*
12:43<babilen>navneeth: Welcome! Do you need help with anything?
12:44<SynrG>!dbugs 612330
12:44<dpkg>#612330:N[live-build] please disable kexec-tools on default desktop images (pending); Mon, 07 Feb 2011 19:45:01 UTC []
12:44<SynrG>Black_Prince: ^^ your problem
12:44<Black_Prince>what's kexec?
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12:44<Black_Prince>I downloaded debian live cd from
12:45<navneeth>i dont know any think about linux
12:45<navneeth>what can i do now
12:46<KOJIbKA>For me it was a big surprise to find out that Synaptics touchpad is disabled by default during Squeeze install. Most of postinstall procedures should direct to DebianWiki though.
12:46<SynrG>Black_Prince: it's a shortcut to reboot the system without enduring re-POSTing the BIOS ...
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12:47<SynrG>Black_Prince: this is normally a good thing! but not what is desired in this case
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12:47<Black_Prince>Oh yes, now I get it
12:47<jeroen__>@navneeth: what is it you WANT to do now?
12:47<Black_Prince>So Live Installer installs that package too?
12:47<dpkg> -- newbies check it out! Veterans too, so you can contribute! :)
12:47<jeroen__>we can help you get started
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12:48<SynrG>Black_Prince: to be precise, as dba states in the irc log snippet in the bug ... debian-installer-launcher Recommends kexec-tools ...
12:48<SynrG>this was an experiment that we forgot to remove :(
12:49<Black_Prince>Ahh, so that's the problem
12:49<SynrG>and dba says it should be taken out. i don't know what the status is ... i'll ask
12:49<Black_Prince>Thank you very much SynrG and babilen
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12:51<heinvd>Babilen: I done the setup of exim4 as well as the config. very nice indeed.
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12:51<babilen>navneeth: is a wonderful resource to learn about Debian
12:51<babilen>heinvd: wonderful :)
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12:53<heinvd>babilen: I can't still send email though... lol what is the default authentication method that exim4 uses?
12:53<Mads>ok. thanks for the help.. I didn't figure it out, but I ended up just configuring a chroot dir.
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12:53<heinvd>is sa-exim.conf the correct config file to check?
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12:54<heinvd>sorry. my bad.. that is for spam assassin..
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12:55<babilen>navneeth: You might also enjoy reading the newbiedoc (linked earlier) and maybe a book like: might come in handy. There are a bunch of other good books too ..
12:55<SynrG>Black_Prince: apparently fixed and pending upload. actually, it seems a change to live-build corrects the issue
12:56<fugit_>Looking for recomendations or best practices for braking up the nodes.pp file. Currently there are 50 nodes but soon to triple. I would like to keep it flat files. Thanks
12:56<Black_Prince>So, it is fixed, but not uploaded yet?
12:56<babilen>heinvd: You typically want TLS -- Read 2.2.2. Enabling TLS support for Exim as server in /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.Debian.gz
12:56<fugit_>fugit_: wrong channel :)
12:57<babilen>heinvd: Don't forget to connect on port 465 if you use that
12:57<heinvd>Thanks Babilen!... your a master!
12:57*babilen bows
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12:59<navneeth>thank you for your help
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12:59<navneeth>i will go through it and come back
13:00<Black_Prince>SynrG I just checked now the debian-live-6.0.0-i386-gnome-desktop.iso.packages from the Debian Live and it still has kexec-tools
13:00<SynrG>babilen: it's fixed in the 2.x branch locally in the developer's clone which is targetted at the upcoming 6.0.1 release. it will be pushed tonight and, if all goes well, will go into the release ...
13:00<SynrG>so you shouldn't expect to see it fixed until 6.0.1 images appear
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13:01<SynrG>(and in any case, even if somehow live-build misses the release, i would hope the fixed version would be used to build the 6.0.1 images for the release)
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13:01<babilen>SynrG: together with the planned point release?
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13:02<babilen>great. Good to know, I wasn't aware of that bug so it is good it is fixed. Although kexec is a wonderful technology ...
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13:02<SynrG>yes. it's quite slick
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13:43<dpkg>The first <point release> for Debian Squeeze (6.0.1) is scheduled for March 19th, 2011. Cherry USB keyboards are usable during Debian installation (Debian bug #584973), issues with Ethernet bonding are corrected (Debian bugs #610838, #616058) and support for VIA VT6656 wireless LAN devices is introduced.
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13:50<EmleyMoor>Are there any tools available that will allow me to alter BIOS settings on a box running Debian? I'd do it locally but don't have a usable monitor near the machine
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13:56<babilen>heinvd: How is it going?
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13:59<heinvd>eish babilen... no luck as yet...
14:00<heinvd>i've been going to 36 hours... so gonna give it a rest till tomorrow
14:00<heinvd>thanks for your help in the mean time...
14:00<babilen>heinvd: Ok. Ping if you need help, or better, just ask he general public :)
14:01<heinvd>ill shout! thanks
14:01<babilen>It is amazing how easy certain tasks are after some hours of sleep.
14:01<heinvd>i agree...
14:01<babilen>heinvd: Have a good night!
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14:14<abcd82>SynrG: babilen: kop: well there are some flaws with stow i noticed, looks like if want to keep package longer *.deb>stow, but its still great for temporary usage
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14:17<EmleyMoor>I find xstow good for managing my non-deb stuff
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14:20<abcd82>example lets say there is /usr/local/stow/transmission-2.22/share/locale/an/LC_MESSAGES/ while /usr/local/share/locale/an don't exist instead creating an/LC_MESSAGES/ it creates link named "an" to usr/local/stow/transmission-2.22/share/locale/an directory
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14:22<abcd82>now what will happen when install * deb which actually contains file in /usr/local/share/locale/an
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14:22<kop>abcd82: Debian packages are prohibited from installing anything into /usr/local.
14:22<abcd82>that file will be created in /usr/local/stow/transmission-2.22/share/locale/an
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14:23<abcd82>personal/local deb
14:23<abcd82>self made
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14:24<kop>abcd82: Don't have your self-made debs install into /usr/local. There's no need because you've got apt to keep track of things.
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14:24<EmleyMoor>abcd82: /usr/local is not a place any .deb should install anything
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14:25<ShARpSh00TeR>yo I hava a question :)
14:25<kop>!tell ShARpSh00TeR about ask
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14:25<abcd82>i always instaled them in /usr/local....
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14:26<ShARpSh00TeR>my processor type is Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo which distribution I need ia64 or amd64 ?
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14:27<Black_Prince>ia64 is for Intel Itanium Processors
14:27<ShARpSh00TeR>I have installed the amd64 ver but the system is realy unstable
14:28<ShARpSh00TeR>producing a lot of errors
14:28<Black_Prince>Errors like?
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14:29<ShARpSh00TeR>while booting for example the sistem hangs
14:29<babilen>ShARpSh00TeR: Also, which version of Debian did you install?
14:30<ShARpSh00TeR>I have to restart a couple of times for successful booting
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14:31<ShARpSh00TeR>babilen squeeze I download it yesterday
14:31<ShARpSh00TeR>1st CD
14:32<ShARpSh00TeR>also the wireless connection is not working properly
14:32<babilen>Ok, what errors do you get? Where does it hang?
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14:33<stderr>ShARpSh00TeR: Have you tried running a memtest and/or badblock check?
14:33<SynrG>abcd82: you may have always done it that way. doesn't make it a good idea :P
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14:34<ShARpSh00TeR>stderr no, but win is working just fine
14:35<SynrG>abcd82: since you just pinged out, you probably missed:
14:35<babilen>ShARpSh00TeR: And yes, intermittent errors like this are indicative of hardware problems. But it is hard to help you without more details. Where does it hang during the boot? What do you mean by "the wireless is not working properly" ? And so on.
14:35<abcd82>the only reason i brought this is up, is to notify you about this issue, not crucial, probably stow will show/stop at conflicts, so it s still great tool for me :)
14:35<stderr>ShARpSh00TeR: Sorry, but that statement doesn't make sense in my world...
14:35<SynrG>abcd82: you may have always done it that way. doesn't make it a good idea :P
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14:36<abcd82>SynrG: i got this already by responses :d
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14:37<abcd82>SynrG: that this was a bad idea
14:37<shiznatix>Hi. I just installed Squeeze and for some reason I can not mount an external HD that is formatted NTFS. I have a internal Windows partition that is NTFS that mounts just fine but when I try to mount the external one from Nautilus I get a permission error. How can I mount this properly?
14:38<SynrG>abcd82: ya. just didn't know if that had sunk in :)
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14:38<dominick>shiznatix: mount as root.
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14:38<babilen>!tell shiznatix -about user accessible ntfs
14:38<babilen>!tell shiznatix -about user accessible ntfs-3g
14:39<dominick>hi HIRAN
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14:39<babilen>shiznatix: Good luck. I have never touched NTFS and can't really help you with it. Other might know more about it though.
14:39<HIRAN>helo dominick!
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14:39<dominick>!welcome HIRAN
14:40<ShARpSh00TeR>babilen it hangs not at specific row while loading components etc.
14:40<jhutchins_lt>babilen: Basically he just needs to mount as user, that's fuse isn't it?
14:40<dpkg>hello, dominick
14:40<shiznatix>dominick, I am trying to mount this without command line (like I did in Lenny). How do I make it so that it just prompts for the password (which it did when I went to mount the internal Windows partitions)
14:40<Black_Prince>shiznatix look at your /etc/fstab and look for a line that starts with UUID or /dev/sdxy that your external drive has and comment it out.
14:40<babilen>jhutchins_lt: The "user accessible ntfs" specifies UID and GID for the mount and also d/fmask ...
14:41<dominick>shiznatix: you can't do that unless there's an entry in /etc/fstab
14:41<babilen>But I better shut up because I have no idea about the ways of the NTFS
14:41<jhutchins_lt>babilen: So that's for root to mount it user accessible, we need user mount here I think.
14:41<dpkg>FUSE is a userspace filesystem framework, enabling mounting of various exotic filesystems like <ntfs-3g>, Samba shares, tar files, FTP sites etc. Included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.14. For a FUSE filesystem list, see . ##fuse on
14:41<shiznatix>Black_Prince, That worked! Ha, thanks
14:41<Black_Prince>you welcome
14:41<jhutchins_lt>Or not.
14:41<shiznatix>I guess the problem was that I had the HD plugged in when I did the debian install so it put something in fstab which I don't want
14:42<SynrG>humm. this is because the installer detects the drive and thinks it's to be moutned?
14:42<SynrG>ah, which is what you concluded. i typed too slowly :)
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14:42*babilen invites SynrG to a round of gtypist speed-drills
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14:43<SynrG>babilen: gtypist! do you know that this was my first package?
14:43<SynrG>babilen: it was my motivation for becoming a DD
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14:43<babilen>SynrG: Really? Thanks for packaging it! I spend a couple of days with it ages ago :)
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14:44<SynrG>in fact, i was just minding my own business, hanging out here, noting that linux didn't seem to have a typing tutor ... found 'typist' on sunsite, whacked at the Makefile until it worked ... and then netgod shanghaied me :)
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14:44<SynrG>said "fine then, you got it working, why don't you package it and upload it?"
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14:44<SynrG>(1997, btw)
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14:45<babilen>SynrG: I think I used it around '98 or '99 ...
14:45<babilen>anyway, this is getting off-topic. thanks again! /me hugs SynrG
14:45<SynrG>hehe. yeah. you're welcome :)
14:46<babilen>A most wonderful program. Not bloated at all and exactly what is needed.
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15:08<mehdi_>what is this error? Cannot find X11/extensions/shape.h. Make sure your CFLAGS environment variable contains include lines for the location of this file
15:08<henry1>about to stand up my first debian server and have a couple questions - any reason to run amd64 vs i386 for dual core w/ max 2GB RAM?
15:09<stderr>mehdi_: Install libxext-dev and everything should be fine.
15:10<henry1>2. is it sane to install on different hardware and swap the hdd, or better to do USB / net install
15:11<fnmueller>henry1: I'd prefer to to a netinstal
15:11<henry1>ok thanks
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15:16<henry1>currently have 2 sata hdd's, dual booting windows and ubuntu. Repurposing ubuntu hdd for debian server. is it reasonable to use a livecd (parted magic) to resize my ntfs partition, create ext4 partition, and use dd to copy my Ubuntu install over?
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15:18<fnmueller>henry1: if you want a debian server, you can throw away your ubuntu install ? I don't really get the question.
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15:18<henry1>debian's going onto new hardware, using ubuntu on workstation as dev system
15:19<henry1>for now at least
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15:19<retrospectacus>henry1: you can do that, sure.. you will need to reconfig ubuntu to boot/run properly with the new partition setup
15:19<henry1>yeah, reading up on grub now
15:20<henry1>(previous nix experience in virtual environments only)
15:20<retrospectacus>you may move the ubuntu partition with partedmagic - no need for dd
15:20<jhutchins_lt>henry1: squeeze uses grub2.
15:20<obedience>hi guys. I had win-7 on my laptop. After that I've installed Debian-6, and GRUB does not know anything about my Win-7 right now. Win-7 partition is alive, I've accessed it from the debian OS, data is there. But how do I teach GRUB seeing Win-7 ??
15:21<henry1>jhutchins: ok, retro: thanks
15:21<fnmueller>henry1: well, if you create partitions that differ from the ones on the disk ubunu is on, just rsync the data over and don't use dd
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15:22<sney`>obedience: just run update-grub, it should detect it automatically
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15:23<obedience>sney' - god, thank you.
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15:23<cahoot>obedience: os-prober installed?
15:23<obedience>cahoot - what's that ?
15:24<cahoot>might be pulled in by grub2 automagically though
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15:24<obedience>I must say that Ubuntu did "update-grub" automatically )
15:24<jhutchins_lt>obedience: This is a well known "feature" of squeeze.
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15:25<henry1>fnmueller: ok, thanks
15:25<obedience>jhutchins_lt, you mean BLIND for windows partitions ?
15:25<jhutchins_lt>For some reason it only sets up the current install in grub. Maybe it's just easier to reboot and test the install that way.
15:25<jhutchins_lt>obedience: No, just on the initial install. Once you run update-grub it detects everything just fine.
15:25<jhutchins_lt>obedience: Did the same thing for me on a multi-distro install.
15:26<obedience>jhutchins_lt, That's why they recommend use ubuntu for beginners... though
15:26<jhutchins_lt>obedience: I'm not entirely sure it isn't deliberate.
15:27<jhutchins_lt>Cannonical makes a lot more decisions for you than Debian.
15:27*AgentC grub-install /dev/brain1
15:27*AgentC awakes .... ;)
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15:29<AgentC>hi bab
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15:32<retrospectacus>what's the command to apt-get purge [packages which have been removed but not purged] ?
15:32<retrospectacus>note that I do not have aptitude
15:34<babilen>Hmm, I am not aware of such search-fu for apt-get. And I also never had the need to come up with a different solution because I always have aptitude. How come you don't have it?
15:34<retrospectacus>not enough space
15:34<retrospectacus>hence the question
15:34<babilen>retrospectacus: Right now, I am thinking: dpkg -l, grep specific flags, cut + apt-get purge
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15:35<retrospectacus>hmm could be done
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15:35<babilen>retrospectacus: I don't have that one-liner ready though, but you are welcome to join in the quest to find it :)
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15:36<retrospectacus>dpkg -l | grep ^rc |awk '{print $2}' | xargs apt-get purge
15:36<dpkg>ii | grep ^rc |awk '{print $2}' | xargs apt-get purge 1.4-12.3 retrospectacus's private gamp collection
15:36<retrospectacus>!lart dpkg
15:36*dpkg steals retrospectacus's mojo
15:36<babilen>retrospectacus: dpkg -l|grep -u "^rc"|cut -f3 -d" "
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15:36<AgentC>babilen: can you explain me what PCI-bridge in case of extended pci means?
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15:36<obedience>I can not connect to any wi-fi networks on my Debian-6 laptop. GUI on GNOME just says that there aren't any networks. Whether iwconfig perfectly sees wlan0 interface... What's the problem ?
15:37<babilen>retrospectacus: Ah, wonderful. I actually prefer your solution. :)
15:37<retrospectacus>I usually prefer awk to cut. Cut can be very annoying
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15:38<babilen>yeah, and awk is nice. It's just that I always think cut first when faced with column-based extraction problems :)
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15:39<AgentC>babilen: why i am on ignore ?
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15:40<retrospectacus>unfortunately when I run this I get
15:40<babilen>AgentC: You are not. I answered your question with a "no" :)
15:40<retrospectacus>sorry for the incorrect syntax highlighting
15:40<babilen>retrospectacus: Could you use a different pastebin, that one is not working properly for me (something is downloaded)
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15:41<AgentC>babilen: sorry. :( feeling lonely in my crazy situation. do not mind about
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15:42<AgentC>babilen: take a look to dpkg for anaphylaxy , then delete the bots entry
15:43<babilen>retrospectacus: Hmm, I guess you see the same behaviour if you just run "apt-get purge PKG" with one of the packages from that list? What about "dpkg --purge" ?
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15:43<retrospectacus>yes. 1sec
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15:43<babilen>AgentC: done
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15:43<retrospectacus>babilen: ah nice this should work
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15:44<AgentC>babilen: that is what i had last saturday, wonder about that i still alive
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15:44*AgentC sorry for offtopic
15:44<babilen>retrospectacus: What kind of machine are you working on? No aptitude due to space constraints is quite, well, restricted :)
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15:45<babilen>AgentC: Hope you are better now. That doesn't sound pleasant. But yes, quite ot
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15:45<retrospectacus>it's a remote server. I don't know much about it except it has only 1.4G / partition
15:46<retrospectacus>that purge freed up a whopping 2M :(
15:46<babilen>retrospectacus: that *is* small, but not too small to be useless.
15:46<retrospectacus>oh well. Hopefully 34M free space will last forever :D
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15:47<retrospectacus>thankfully /var is a terabyte
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15:47<babilen>retrospectacus: you might want to remove /var/cache/apt/archives/* that might free a little bit as well. localepurge comes to mind, as does bleachbit
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15:48*jhutchins_lt sends retrospectacus a bunch of videos in email
15:48<AgentC>babilen: cant forget that, was level 3 (of 4=death), sorry, i quit that topic now, but remember under what conditions i'm doing my job
15:48<babilen>retrospectacus: var is a terrabyte? Who configured that system?
15:48<babilen>retrospectacus: That does, unfortunately, also mean that the removal of .deb from ../archives/ does not help.
15:48<retrospectacus>the TB drive was added later
15:48<babilen>retrospectacus: And no LVM?
15:49<retrospectacus>and it's 6000 miles away
15:49<jhutchins_lt>Should've jus tmoved the whole thing over.
15:49<babilen>retrospectacus: might be just around my corner then (assuming you are in the US)
15:49<retrospectacus>I am in Whitehorse, Canada - the server is in Miami, FL
15:50<babilen>retrospectacus: Ah, wrong direction. (UK here)
15:50<babilen>raviolicode: welcome
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15:51<babilen>shoei: welcome to #debian, care for a tea? beer? coffee? debian support?
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15:51<raviolicode>hi shoei
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15:52<babilen>raviolicode: shoei is gone. Can we do something for you?
15:52<AgentC>tried to put a medion tv-tuner card in pci slot on my debian server, after all soundinterface does not work anymore. dunno why, im triing to fix that, but why all dvb cards does confuse the rest of my server-hardware or does not work on system!? i also compiled my own kernel (2.6.37-2)
15:52<raviolicode>babilen, yes, thank you :)
15:52<raviolicode>I'm looking for any reason why the /var/log/wmtp is not in my system
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15:53<babilen>raviolicode: Why should it?
15:54<EmleyMoor>Are you sure you're spelling it correctly?
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15:54<EmleyMoor>What should be in it?
15:54<raviolicode>I also did a find,
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15:56<raviolicode> find / | grep wtmp, and I only found the man page (maybe I'm looking for it the wrong way?)
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15:57<EmleyMoor>Well, you spelled it correctly there... not before though
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15:57<Revan199>When NVIDIA propietary driver will be ready at sid or experimental?
15:57<retrospectacus>raviolicode: why are you interested in this directory
15:57<EmleyMoor>Try find / -name wtmp -print
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15:57<retrospectacus>raviolicode: no debian package provides that directory
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15:58<Revan199>nvidia-glx have got depencity error: xserver-xorg-core (< 2:1.7.7) but 2: is installed and it is kept back.
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15:58<raviolicode>EmleyMoor: it returns nothing
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15:58<EmleyMoor>raviolicode: What is your interest in it?
15:58<raviolicode>retrospectacus, EmleyMoor: that may be the cause, then
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15:59<retrospectacus>raviolicode, the cause of what?
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15:59<obedience>How do I install my ATI drivers on my laptop(DEbian-6)?
15:59<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
15:59<dpkg>Install either <nouveau> (no 3D support) or the appropriate proprietary driver package for your card. For GeForce 6xxx through to some GeForce 400 series, ask me about <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>; for older series, ask about <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. For oldstable, see <nvidia lenny>. packages are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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16:00<Revan199>nothing about nvidia-glx and xserver-xorg-core (< 2:1.7.7) but 2: is installed and it is kept back.
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16:00<raviolicode>retrospectacus, EmleyMoor: I just wanted to check I didn't have something misconfigured. acct apparently needs it, for example.
16:00<EmleyMoor>Revan199: If you're on sid, you will find things break from time to time - it is largely up to you to fix it
16:01<dpkg>( The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! )
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16:01<Revan199>EmleyMoor: anyway, Wheezy have got to old driver
16:02<raviolicode>In debian, where should I look (apart from /var/log/auth.log) to find last logins from each user?
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16:02<fsdqtrcbn>I added lenny backports, did apt-get update, but when I (I am on squeeze stable fresh installed) apt-get -t lenny-backports install "flashplugin-nonfree" it won't find anything
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16:03<EmleyMoor>fsdqtrcbn: Why do you want that backport if you are on squeeze?
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16:03<Revan199>fsdqtrcbn: contrib non-free included?
16:03<will>Revan199: You should ask to nVidia for support on proprietary drivers.
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16:04<Revan199>will: NVIDIA Debian Maintainers?
16:04<babilen>raviolicode: "man lastlog" might be what you are looking for
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16:04<raviolicode>babilen: the problem is that I don't have lastlog either
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16:05<babilen>fsdqtrcbn: Just make sure you have "contrib" (and optionally, but not needed "non-free") enabled and run "aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree" No need for backports from lenny if you are running squeeze (the backports are from squeeze)
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16:05<fsdqtrcbn>how do I add contrib?
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16:05<raviolicode>babilen: or /var/log/lastlog. Is this normal too?
16:05<babilen>!tell fsdqtrcbn -about contrib
16:05<babilen>!tell fsdqtrcbn -about non-free
16:06<will>Revan199: nVidia developers if it concerns the nVidia driver, the Debian maintainer for the debian package
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16:06<rxvik>fsdqtrcbn: Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and add "contrib" (no quotes) after "main" on each line
16:06<babilen>fsdqtrcbn: Essentially: Make sure all your "deb" and "deb-src" lines end in "main contrib non-free"
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16:06<Darth_Revan>will: no problem with the driver =)
16:06<babilen>fsdqtrcbn: in /etc/apt/sources.list, but I guess you patched that information together :)
16:06<will>Revan199: Do not expect any bug fix from the Debian package maintainer
16:07<Darth_Revan>will: I'm using it from
16:07<rxvik>fsdqtrcbn: You'll have to edit as root though. From a terminal: su -c "nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
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16:07<fsdqtrcbn>ok already saved
16:07<will>Darth_Revan: Well so you actually found the right way for using proprietary drivers
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16:08<Darth_Revan>will: without DKMS >_<
16:08<fsdqtrcbn>it worked, thanks everyone
16:08<babilen>raviolicode: You should have /var/log/lastlog ... it comes with the "login" package
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16:08<babilen>Darth_Revan: The drivers from nvidia are not supported in here. I would recommend to use dkms
16:08<Darth_Revan>babilen: ?
16:08<babilen>!tell Darth_Revan -about nvidia
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16:09<EmleyMoor>babilen: That's what he wants to do - but it won't work in sid right now
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16:09<babilen>Darth_Revan: The factoids mentioned in there give you a one-liner to install the nvidia drivers. You'll have to get rid of your manual install first though. Or ask for help in #nvidia over at freenode
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16:10<babilen>EmleyMoor: Ah, I won't interfere. Keep up with the good work :)
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16:11<Darth_Revan>there is no problem in driver installer from exept: no DKMS, ugly uninstalling, ugly and manual updating
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16:11<babilen>Darth_Revan: I would consider those problems :)
16:12<sney`>!why nvidia installer sucks
16:12<dpkg>nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated -- the nvidia driver will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. We recommend against using it based on extensive experience. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia>.
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16:12<Darth_Revan>dpkg: why you tell me what I know and want to do?
16:12<dpkg>Darth_Revan: I give up, what is it?
16:12<will>sney: proprietary drivers sucks, that's all
16:13<Darth_Revan>dpkg: debian packages in wheezy old, in sid and experimental don't work
16:13<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, Darth_Revan
16:13<babilen>will: not necessarily (except your mindset is "proprietary == suck")
16:13<babilen>Darth_Revan: dpkg is a bot
16:14<Darth_Revan>babilen: :-D
16:14<raviolicode>babilen, retrospectacus, EmleyMoor: I finally did a touch /var/log/lastlog, and I finally see the info from lastlog :) thanks
16:14<will>I think in proprietary things only the upstream can make something useful for Debian (or not)
16:14<babilen>Darth_Revan: sney` invoked that factoid, just before it was mentioned by dpkg
16:14<Darth_Revan>address all to sney`
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16:14<babilen>raviolicode: wonderful :) I wonder why that was necessary though
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16:15<AgentC>is there a way to format a NTFS partition under debian ?
16:15<Revan199>AgentC: ntfs-progs
16:15<EmleyMoor>Not That FileSystem <g>
16:16<Revan199>+ GParted
16:16<Revan199>or something else
16:16<babilen>AgentC: ntfsprogs ships mkntfs, but honestly: I would do that in windows.
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16:16<daemonkeeper>Didn't they declare NTFS support stable (whatever that means for a reverse engineered file system)
16:16<babilen>Microsoft Windows that is
16:17<AgentC>babilen: i know but not possible without dvd drive. have to create partition and copy a backup to it, before i have to create a bootsector/mbr-loader
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16:17<jhutchins_lt>daemonkeeper: Been stable for years.
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16:17<daemonkeeper>jhutchins_lt: writing, and even more, formatting I mean.
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16:18<jhutchins_lt>daemonkeeper: Yeah, there's been a lot of superstition about it.
16:18<babilen>AgentC: Well try it then.
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16:18<sney`>Revan199: why is "old" a problem? is your gpu too new for the package in wheezy?
16:18<Revan199> sney`: yes, it is
16:19<sney`>I wonder if the nvidia package could be disassembled for some kind of uupdate/ssb
16:19<AgentC>babilen: i made a systeminstall for a friend last days, that overall-backup i going to install to another client for saving working hours... ;-)
16:19<sney`>I seem to remember being able to do that, but that was back in 2003 or so and I have no idea if it's even still made the same way
16:19<AgentC>babilen: and of course a 2nd partition for another debian :)
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16:20<babilen>sney`: hehe, that is the problem with informatics. Not all knowledge acquired 5 years ago (let alone 7) is applicable today :)
16:20<babilen>sney`: Or rather: system administration + specific implementations
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16:21<sney`>babilen: indeed
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16:23<rxvik>Can I use badblocks to test any filesystem, or does it have to be ext{2,3,4}?
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16:24<babilen>rxvik: It is independent of the filesystem
16:25<retrospectacus>rxvik: you would find out much faster by reading or just trying it, than asking here
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16:25<babilen>and that :)
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16:25<rxvik>I was afraid I'd corrupt it :) Guess I could have passed -n though
16:25<babilen>well, our response time is (sometimes) hard to beat :)
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16:26<daemonkeeper>isn't reading the answer some kind of "finding out"? As long as one is fed with information at least.
16:27<babilen>I don't have a problem with questions like this. Under the condition that the person is not disappointed if referred to a manpage/manual
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16:34<AgentC>to decrunsh a tgz to a dir : tar -xvzf archive.tgz /destdir .... is that right ?
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16:35<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: No.
16:35<fnmueller>well... IRC is just a google frontend with more insults
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16:35<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: That will try to extract /destdir from archive.tgz
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16:36<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: ups ;) can you tell me the right syntax ?
16:37<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: Well, I usually create the dir, change to it, extract /path/to/archive.tgz and that does it. There is the -C parameter to change directory before an operation, but I often trip over it so I just do it the hard way.
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16:38<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: so tar -xvzf /bla/archive.tgz ??
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16:39<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: when in target directory ?
16:39<jhutchins_lt>fnmueller: Just stole that for freenode btw.
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16:39<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: That should work.
16:39<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: thanx, ill try
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16:40<babilen>jhutchins_lt: It's an old quote. might be or something else.
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16:40<fnmueller>jhutchins_lt: I thought that was well known...
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16:41<babilen>fnmueller: It should be :)
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16:42<abcd82>aptitude has equal to apt-get source?
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16:43<babilen>no, use apt-get source
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16:44<babilen>abcd82: or dget, but you probably don't want/need that
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16:46<ballison>i can't remember the name of the network performance testing tool. nperf ?
16:47<s_i_m>ping :)
16:47<ballison>ha! i tried mtr (my traceroute first)
16:47<ballison>but i need something stronger. i can't remember the name of the tool... someting perf
16:47<obedience>I can not connect to my wi-fi network. Deiban 6. Seems that I haven't got wi-fi drivers installed. What should I do ?
16:47<babilen>,info netperf
16:47<judd>Package netperf (non-free/net, optional) in squeeze/i386: Network performance benchmark. Version: 2.4.4-6.1; Size: 444.9k; Installed: 840k; Homepage:
16:48<ballison>that's it! netperf
16:48<babilen>ballison: ^^^ maybe?
16:48<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: works, is it enough to install a grub on mbr and a mswinxp bootsector into partition to let it run ? some old dos-versions got there systemfiles not by filename-ref but by direct sector number burned into bootsector. is that on xp so ?
16:48<ballison>i was close - nperf. :)
16:48<abcd82>not that i can program, but i want to download stow source and look at it with sad, condemning look... why creating ling to another directory is good idea, that way stow reserves usr/local by it self, instead of creating missing directories, then adding link to actual files, on stow -D remove symlinks and if directory is empty remove it, then it played well with raw make install, *.deb files etc....
16:48<babilen>ballison: I've seen that. You might want to learn about searching with aptitude and/or apt-cache :)
16:48<rxvik>obedience: You really need kernel support -- which isn't easy to add. You could try using some Windows drivers with ndiswrapper
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16:49<obedience>rxvik, how do I get convicted that I do not have drivers ?
16:49<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: i know, xp saves config in files instead of realtime-check on boot, so it may cause problems to use that install-backup on another machine, but would save much time if it works
16:49<babilen>abcd82: "apt-get source stow" in the directory where you want to have it. (I would create a distinct directory and cd into it before running that command)
16:50<obedience>rxvik, how do I get convinced that I do not have driver?
16:50<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: Grub replaces the nt bootsector loader and will load the windows image from the partition.
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16:50<rxvik>obedience: Like, how do you check to see that the system isn't seeing your network card?
16:50<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: If you move that partition you could possibly have problems, been too long since I messed with windows to know.
16:50<babilen>obedience, rxvik: You already checked support for the wifi adaptor? (lspci -nn|grep -i network)
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16:51<obedience>rxvik ifconfig does not see, iwconfig see. GUI network managers does not list any wireless networks, though I know that there are.. Manual type-in of mine network results in nothing.
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16:52<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: i know, i want to install both, xp and debian on my lab-system (im currently creating), logicly i have to exchange drivers in the xp backup installation, dunno how to do that without a dvd rom on target system. i copy the data on my server to that harddisk.
16:52<obedience>02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation WiFi Link 5100 [8086:4232]
16:52<rxvik>obedience: oooh. Out of curiousity, run "iwlist wlan0 scan" and tell me what you get
16:53*AgentC is drunken by medical : morphin 30mg
16:53<obedience>rxvik, wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
16:53<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: Yeah, your question is less than clear.
16:53<babilen>,pciid 8086:4232
16:53<judd>[8086:4232] is 'WiFi Link 5100' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'iwlagn' in squeeze. See also
16:53<rxvik>obedience: Are you on a laptop? Do you have any physical switches or function keys that enable/disable your wireless card? Also, try "ifconfig wlan0 up"
16:53<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: Usual procedure is 1) partition, 2) install xp, 3) install debian, overwriting mbr.
16:54<babilen>!tell obedience about iwlagn
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16:54<babilen>obedience: That adaptor should be well supported, but you need to install firmware.
16:54<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
16:54<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: would be nice to have another system for electronic works, but how can i install a grub on that hdd (cur. in my serv)
16:54<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: grub-install /dev/hda ??
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16:54<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: Yup,
16:55<rxvik>obedience: listen to babilen ;)
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16:56<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: no error reported ;) i think, now i have to install xp-bootsector by rescue-console and install debian squeeze by netinstall cd without dvd-rom drive ? ;-))))
16:56<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: is there a way to do that before i place the hdd into that target computer ?
16:57<babilen>!tell obedience about iwlagn firmware
16:58<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: Why not just install debian?
16:58<obedience>rxvik, laptop. It's in ON mode ofc)
16:58<obedience>rxvik, ifconfig wlan0 ip ->>> SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory
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16:58<babilen>obedience: Just enable non-free -- /msg dpkg non-free -- /msg dpkg contrib -- And run "aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". You might also want to read the wiki page.
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16:58<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: On reboot, run update-grub and it will enable xp.
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16:58<obedience>babilen, thx
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16:59<babilen>obedience: If you have already installed the firmware, run "modprobe -r iwlagn ; modprobe iwlagn ; dmesg|tail -23" and paste the result. Also run "ifconfig -a" and "ifconfig wlan0 up"
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17:00<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: for understanding: it's fresh partitioned and formatted, theres nothing installed only the backup of another computers xp installation on fresh ntfs-partition. so bootsectors are missing also on that partition with backup recovery. i need xp for some apps, they dont run in a vbox.
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17:01<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: Shouldn't be a problem. Install linux, it will find the xp installation and boot to it.
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17:01<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: You do not need to recover the windows bootloader, it will be over-written by grub anyway.
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17:02<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: i did a grub-install /dev/hda ... seems to be ok, but when i put the hdd into target system, i have no netinstall cd (missing dvd/cd-drive) how can i install without cd-drive ?
17:03<sney`>you can use a usb key
17:03<sney`>the netinstall iso can be written directly to a usb key or other hd-media and it will just work that way
17:04<babilen>or boot from from the network assuming that you have a PXE capable NIC and a tftp/dhcp server ready
17:04<jhutchins_lt>!tell AgentC about ig
17:04<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: Many options.
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17:05<babilen>you could also use butterflies or magnets, but that are quite advanced techniques. (/me is taking a break now, after giving such "unsound" advice)
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17:06<jhutchins_lt>babilen: No, I like the butterflies and magnets...
17:06*jhutchins_lt suspects it's a hangover from that earlier 2hr session.
17:06<AgentC>ok, i read installguide shortly, but usb just a description, so it is really enough to copy the contents of netinstall-cd to a stick ?
17:07<AgentC>or need it a bootsector ?
17:07<sney`>AgentC: just write it straight to the stick. it's a hybrid image.
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17:07<sney`>that is, dd if=debian-netinst.iso of=/dev/hdc
17:07<sney`>copying the contents would not work.
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17:09<AgentC>sney: ok, i'll try this, so /dev/hdc in your example means the device of usbstick hm?
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17:12*AgentC likes PleaseWait XP ;-)))))
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17:14<AgentC>hey dd that worked ! 8=))
17:15<sney`>it's pretty cool isn't it
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17:15<AgentC>so, i shutdown server for hdd replace to new system, then server up again and try to install by usb ... if that works, it is pretty nice :)
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17:16<sney`>AgentC: make sure you sync
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17:18<AgentC>i saw, ubb is device name ubb1 is mounted as vfat, but nothing changed on that stick, so something went wrong
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17:20<AgentC>do i have to of=device or partition ? i did device , no error reported, but device is empty in case of "df"
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17:22<dpkg>Yes, agentc, you are online.
17:22<AgentC>;=) <smile>
17:22<babilen_>AgentC: It is detailed in the installation guide (just use cat + sync, don't forget about firmware if needed (also detailed in the installation guide) put it on the second partition)
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17:24<AgentC>babilen_: i did dd to put the iso to USB-stick, but the stick is empty after dd (without err), so i wonder, was it really written to the stick ?
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17:25<AgentC>i try ubb1 instead of devicename ubb
17:25<babilen_>You dd'ed to /dev/??? and not, for example, /dev/sdb1 (i.e. a specific partition) ... just follow the installation guide, the commands are given therein
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17:27<AgentC>babilen_: hm, the stick is mounted as /dev/ubb1 (vfat) , when i dd! it says 198 MB copied, but DF says, stick is empty
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17:27<AgentC>babilen_: only two prv. textfiles on that vfat directory left
17:28<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: flush the cache.
17:28<AgentC>sync? i did
17:28<AgentC>maybe the prob is cause the stick is mounted ? maybe?
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17:30<sney`>yeah, try with it unmounted
17:30<AgentC>i do
17:30<AgentC>shall i use ubb or ubb1 for of= ?
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17:31<AgentC>i assume /dev/ubb
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17:31<AgentC>ok, stick' led is blinking
17:32<babilen_>yes, /dev/ubb
17:32<babilen_>and no need for dd (doesn't really hurt as well though)
17:32<AgentC>yepp, now it works, dd cant write while stick is mounted
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17:33<AgentC>ok, thanx, i'll try, that will take a while ...
17:34<sney`>I always use dd, I don't know why, I guess it's just habit at this point
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17:38<AgentC>moment, i'll report when i triied, have to manage the hardware before can try
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17:53*AgentC now connecting system to peripherials for a boot/install up try
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17:56<psycholabks>any1 no where to get a good word list
17:56<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
17:56<CyL>psycholabks: what kind of word list?
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17:56<CyL>!ops possible hackerism on channel
17:56<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: cyl complains about: possible hackerism on channel
17:57<peterS>word list? maybe /usr/share/dict/words ?
17:57<mentor>CyL: That's a tad premature, I feel
17:57<fnmueller>hmm, a I too trigger happy? sorry!
17:57<mentor>Anyway, Debian ships with many dictionaries
17:57<psycholabks>wordlist for hacking
17:57-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
17:57<mentor>psycholabks: Go away.
17:57-!-psycholabks was kicked from #debian by weasel [bye]
17:57<fnmueller>apparently, I am not
17:57-!-mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel
17:57<CyL>mentor: sorry about arning earlier, just would like to avoid the worst
17:58<peterS>I wonder what a "word list for hacking" even is
17:58<CyL>peterS: password cracking
17:58<fnmueller>like a dictionary attack peterS
17:58<peterS>oh. should have pointed him at 'apt-cache show john'
17:58<mentor>Probably a dictionary sorted by frequency
17:58<CyL>Well, didn't even get the time to ask, now I'm interrupted, must go, sorry
17:58<mentor>for passwords
17:58<peterS>why bother making your own lists, use debian-packaged software instead
17:59<mentor>I'd imagine that unless your per-operation rate is completely unlimited, sorting by likelihood would be an important optimisation
18:00<peterS>yeah, but using someone else's tool, like john, would be an even better optimisation
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18:01<fnmueller>why are we talking about this again`?
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18:01<peterS>fnmueller: someone asked about word lists, and I think it's the wrong question, the right question is about password cracking software in debian
18:01<mentor>peterS: I believe John uses a word list anyway?
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18:02<peterS>mentor: probably. I'm guessing it works better than whatever manual list you or I would be able to data-mine, though
18:02<fnmueller>peterS: well, if you are really into it, you probably know where to get "it", compile "it" and use the cluster?
18:02<babilen_>CyL, weasel: wordlists come in handy for natural language processing (among a million of other things) as well fwiw (or did i miss something?)
18:02<peterS>mostly because I think Solar Designer is smarter than me
18:03<babilen_>CyL, weasel: Ah I did, disregard that.
18:03<AgentC>SOLALA, i connected hardware, when usb trying to boot, it says bootsector OK, then PC-speaker gives really crazy sounds out, and nothing more is happening (hangs)
18:03<mentor>peterS: It positively needs a wordlist; it cannot operate without one.
18:03<fnmueller>peterS: buying amazon calculating power is even cheaper then buying botnets nowadays ;-)
18:03<peterS>fnmueller: ha. maybe.
18:03<AgentC>PC-speaker sounds repeats always, no bios signals, i say : really crazy sounds
18:04<mentor>It's just it going round and round the ringbuffer
18:04<AgentC>when i mount usb stick, i can see contents of debian install iso, but on target system, happens as i told
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18:06<nasuta-work>hi devil
18:06<AgentC>babilen_: what went wrong on my usb bootup ?
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18:07<AgentC>devil: me too :)
18:08<sney`>AgentC: does the md5sum of the usb stick match the one of the iso?
18:08<AgentC>devil: joky, :) smile
18:08<AgentC>sney: how can i check it?
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18:08<AgentC>sney: hm, moment, im going to put the stick back to my server
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18:10<AgentC>sney: so i can mount /dev/ubb /mnt3 , directory is listed correctly.
18:10<AgentC>sney: but no partition in that case, its written directly to the device-block
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18:11<sney`>yeah, it's not supposed to be in a partition
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18:12<AgentC>hm, dunno where i done the mistake
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18:14<sney`>can you compare the checksums of the usb key and the iso to make sure it was written completely?
18:14<AgentC>sney: how to do ? (cmd?)
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18:15*AgentC is learning from you. sometimes others learning from me. :-) they learning what you teach me
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18:15<sney`>just 'md5sum /path/to/file'
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18:16<sney`>do it for both, and compare the big alphanumeric string it gives you
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18:18<AgentC>moment, its calculating
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18:18<AgentC>takes a while on usb-stick (iso-check was fast)
18:19<sney`>yeah, wikipedia can explain how it works but it has to read the whole thing
18:20<AgentC>okay, in that case 198mb
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18:20<AgentC>i did md5sum /dev/ubb , is that ok ? cause it takes so long time
18:21<AgentC>pleasewait 6.0
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18:21<AgentC>okay, its finished
18:21<AgentC>values are different
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18:23<sney`>so it didn't write to the usb stick properly, or there is something wrong with the usb stick
18:23*jhutchins_lt2 wonders what ehe actually wrote to? never seen a /dev/ub* before.
18:23<AgentC>usb stick is really correct (4gb, new)
18:24<sney`>jhutchins_lt2: I just figured it was an unusual controlelr
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18:24<jhutchins_lt2>sney`: I thought the current standard was that storage devices were /dev/s*
18:25<AgentC>when i put stick in with gnone it is mounted by HAL, and devicename is /dev/ubb ; thats where i wrote to, by dd ... dunno
18:25<will>for usb devices?
18:25<sney`>it is, usually, but I always account for the possibility of weird hardware
18:26<sney`>or maybe he's not doing this from a debian system
18:26<sney`>but that doesn't matter since it's the install we're supporting, right
18:26<AgentC>sney: i also have a netboot iso , shall i try with it and check bios for correct usb-boot ?
18:27*jhutchins_lt2 plugs in his usb key...
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18:27<sney`>AgentC: oh, do you think it maybe didn't try booting from the usb key?
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18:28<jhutchins_lt2>/dev/sdb1 on /media/usb0
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18:28<jhutchins_lt2>squeeze on intel.
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18:28<AgentC>sney: it boots, says searching for bootrecord : OK .... and then only crazy speakersounds (beep's) unordered
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18:29<sney`>AgentC: and you're sure that's the usb key and not something left over on the hard drive
18:29*AgentC triing again dd if=/askdh/archive.iso of=/dev/ubb
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18:29<sney`>AgentC: also, maybe try a different usb port.
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18:30<AgentC>sney: diff. usbport? can try... currently md5sum after rewrite by dd .. takes a while
18:30*AgentC was infineon programmer in 2001
18:31*AgentC was chipcard relative programmer
18:31<sney`>infineon? hm
18:32<AgentC>sney: as i sad, after dd i am waiting for md5sum for check it is different from iso and specially from the latest md5sum result of the stick
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18:34<AgentC>ok, checksum after dd is same as before, but different from iso image
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18:34<themill>!check iso image
18:34<dpkg>To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the iso image on the mirror.
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18:34<AgentC>sney: infineon, yes, daugther company of infineon. (sci-worx)
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18:35<themill>you probably need to do a similar thing to that to check a usb image (only check the right length of image) but I've never done so to tell you precisely what should be done
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18:36<sney`>I remember seeing their name on all sorts of dram. also, themill is correct and I'm a fool. you need just the md5sum of the part of the usb stick occupied by the image
18:36<sney`>the syntax for checking a cd should translate directly
18:36<themill>sney`: I would assume so, yes.
18:37<AgentC>hm, moment, i check with another bootup iso to proofe bios is working correctly
18:37<AgentC>just a moment
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18:43<jhutchins_lt>I've always just done md5sum /dev/cdrom
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18:44<themill>jhutchins_lt: yeah, I've seen that both work and fail. It seems hardware dependent (possibly kernel/driver dependent too... nfc)
18:44<AgentC>hm, i tried with a netboot.iso / netboot.usb, but same prob just without pcspeaker sound. bios says searching for bootrecord RMD-FDD : OK and then nothing happens anymore
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18:48<AgentC>ah, forget it, i remove my server-DVD rom to the target and try to install by DVD-ROM disk... to complex to solve the usb problem tonight... :)
18:48<Edy_>how can i install wine in debian wheezy
18:48<AgentC>but beware: im still here
18:48<Edy_>the best kind of wine install for debian wheezy
18:48<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: There's something odd about your system. First, never seen /dev/ub*. second, it sounds like you're not successfully writing to the correct device.
18:48<AgentC>aptitude install wine
18:48<Edy_>someone know
18:49<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: You could try unetbootin. It worked great for me.
18:49<jhutchins_lt>Edy_: Why are you running wheezy?
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18:49<Edy_>because is testing version
18:49<Edy_>i dont known
18:49<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: /dev/ubb depends to my HP/COMPAQ server... dunno is unnormal or not, but works in normal mode. aehm, btw what i have to do to make the usb stick works normally in vfat ?
18:50<streuner>judd, versions wine
18:50<judd>Package wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3.1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.0.1-3.1; experimental: 1.1.24-2
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18:50<sney`>yes, Wine in Debian is pretty old, but it works very well for most things. a version is just a number.
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18:51<streuner>Edy_: according to judd, wine should be installable in testing, why do you ask?
18:51<sney`>it's probably the upstream version discrepancy.
18:51<AgentC>Edy_: why using wine ? use vbox, then you have a hole windows system without errors
18:51<Edy_>yes but i cannt rune or install some exe games
18:51<sney`>vbox doesn't translate stuff like video hardware very well
18:51<Edy_>wine donnt load this games
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18:52<sney`>sometimes it just won't work no matter what, it's a good idea to check the compatibility database at
18:52<AgentC>Edy_: for games, wine does not work correctly, then you have to use VirtualBox (see oracle)
18:52<themill>that's fairly typical for wine, but newer wine may well help, yes
18:52<AgentC>!tell Edy_ about vbox
18:52<will>if you have a legal Windows license why not using it?
18:52<sney`>AgentC: your backwards suggestion is making my brain hurt.
18:53<jhutchins_lt>Edy_: Codeweavers keeps a list of programs that do and don't work in wine and crossover.
18:53<jhutchins_lt>Edy_: It is not unusual for games to fail.
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18:53<sney`>agentc: unless you have a way of making full use of 3d acceleration under virtualbox, in which case, please tell me more
18:54<Tiff>thought virtualbox supports 3d acceleration now.
18:54<daemonkeeper>/some/ support
18:54<AgentC>_/sbin/mkmind sney` --reduce-hurt=1 --without-windows
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18:55<sney`>Tiff: last I checked it's pretty minimal and cpu dependent.
18:55<sney`>because it simply can't access the host's hardware directly.
18:55<Tiff>sney`: okay. not tried it personally, just saw the option.
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18:57<sney`>yeah. I did too, and I got all excited, but it turned out to be a pretty big letdown. :(
18:57<AgentC>in any case wine does not work for games or complex windows software, most software crashs cause they cannot access to a correct registry, also directx cant work correctly
18:57<sney`>AgentC: my on and off World of Warcraft habit, supported through the use of Wine, begs to differ
18:57<AgentC>Edy_: either use VirtualBox (vbox) or install a windows on another client
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18:58<AgentC>sney: dunno warcraft, heart about, really works ?
18:58<sney`>generally any game that can muster an OpenGL renderer can be made to work, as well as a host of other applications, so long as they don't make too many windows api shortcuts. but this is venturing into off topic territory
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18:58<will>Is DirectX free without any Windows license?
18:58<daemonkeeper>Nothing coming from Microsoft is free.
18:59<sney`>AgentC: runs better than it did on winxp, even. though I suspect that's mostly due to linux memory management
18:59<will>I know the .NET Framework is not
18:59<themill>not true on both counts
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19:00<AgentC>sney: i know, memory man on linux is FLAT-mem , windows using segment tables
19:01<AgentC>daemonkeeper: microsoft and free ? why not? some years later, windows cant hold status on power of linux, so it is just a question of time until they give up
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19:02<streuner>oh, you dream of white christmas, do you? :-)
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19:03<daemonkeeper>This is rather off topic here, but I don't see the reason why Microsoft's business model wouldn't succeed (can't speak about Microsoft in general which seems to be on a dead track as of today in its big picture)
19:03<will>Whenever Microsoft say something is free you must buy Windows first.
19:03<AgentC>streuner: no, i saw red bill's ... ;-)) <smile>
19:03<AgentC>daemonkeeper: no no, the coders of ms are no lamers, but the system-model is shit
19:04<AgentC>daemonkeeper: right ? :-)
19:04<streuner>well, free is for me what RMS told us.
19:04<AgentC>streuner: RMS? RedMondSucker ?
19:05*AgentC gets crazy
19:05<will>RMS said Debian is not free do you believe him?
19:05<streuner>dpkg, rms
19:05<dpkg>somebody said rms was a hacker name of Richard Stallman, founder of Free Software Foundation (fsf), (co)author of the GNU General Public licence(s), and GNU philosophy in general.
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19:05<daemonkeeper>I meant: Microsoft's products didn't evolve since a decade. This makes me cast some doubt about Microsofts future, I don't see why a Microsoft like business model shouldn't succeed, there are a lot of other companies that do.
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19:08<streuner>will: when did he say this? :-P
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19:09<daemonkeeper>Well, you can find a lot of stupid things. Linus says stupid things as well, from time to time.
19:09<AgentC>in any case, i like the GUI of ms win , but it crashs too much, so unclean programming
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19:10<streuner>daemonkeeper: there were always lots of strong persons who fight for free software, it causes sometimes headaches...
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19:11<AgentC>yeah, i mind about what would happen if microsoft building airplanes ;-)
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19:13<daemonkeeper>I don't see why we should troll about Windows on a #debian support channel. Honestly Windows is not that bad, and not even more or less stable than Linux. It is not my choice, but this makes Windows not a worse operating system.
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19:14<nasuta-work>win or linux, its like religion and both ot, so...
19:14<daemonkeeper>... let's flame about the best desktop environment ;)
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19:15<nasuta-work>and my debian more stable then win :-p
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19:15<will>daemonkeeper: Windows is well supported by bugs and virus. Does it make a good system?
19:16<AgentC>daemonkeeper: no, i see the same, windows is not as bad, have many bugs, but it's use-able
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19:16<AgentC>daemonkeeper: ok, is a support channel ;) but late in the evening here on this site on the planet... ;=)
19:16<streuner>thats not the question
19:17<streuner>its a question if its free software or not
19:17<daemonkeeper>will: That is because Windows is more popular, not because it is less secure. It is just no one cares about Linux viruses and worms, since it is not worth the effort. Do you really think the first malware programs were running on Windows?
19:17*AgentC rm /channel/debian/users/brain/deepsynapses windows*
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19:17*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
19:17<streuner>good call
19:18<nasuta-work>!tell nasuta ot
19:18<streuner>nasuta-work: /msg dpkg ot
19:18<daemonkeeper>(+ selftell)
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19:18<streuner>daemonkeeper: argh
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19:21<AgentC>btw: in case of operationsystem, if found this :
19:21<dpkg>rumour has it, mos is Mouse OS, specially in BED useable. ;-)
19:21<AgentC>useable :)
19:21<will>daemonkeeper: I think Windows developers knows their systems have bugs but have no interest in fixing them quickly since Windows users don't even care about virus included with warez
19:21<themill>so... back to debian user support ...
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19:23<AgentC>brain-os> synaptic2/neuron184781/delete-shit-discussion --force
19:24<nasuta-work>okay, good idea
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19:24<AgentC>little bit fun must be :)
19:24<nasuta-work>i use squeeze with xfce on a tablet, is there a way for right-click?
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19:26<Wargreen>hi guys !
19:26<will>look at debian about the free definition according to the FSF
19:26<will>founded by RMS
19:27<AgentC>nasuta-work: dunno, xfce is not in my dpkg-list, never heart about that desktopsystem, would nice too see, but i cant get it by aptitude install xfce
19:27<abcd82>will: the problem is not software/bugs/virus etc, must agree that linux has better security model, the problem is users what installs every app they see and press yes everywhere, if put that kind of user under linux it will install with sudo same crap veriefied repo or not
19:28<nasuta-work>AgentC, sorry, xfce4
19:28<will>abcd82: at least with debian they could update their system instead of running an unpatched system
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19:28<Wargreen>I run actualy ubuntu in liveusb, but i want also install LiveDebian on the same key. I found "multiboot liveusb" on google. Do you thing if it's suitable ?
19:29<Wargreen>(sorry for my english ^^)
19:29<AgentC>nasuta-work: hey :) triing to install it, just for see what it is ! :-)
19:29<daemonkeeper>abcd82: There is Windows Update as well. However, themill is right pointing our discussion to off-topic (same for you, abcd82).
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19:30<daemonkeeper>Well, that RE does not work, but ...
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19:31<jhutchins_lt>Wargreen: It's a pain in the neck to configure. Sure, it can be done, but a second USB stick is cheap.
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19:31<nasuta-work>i belive i am the only man, who use debian on a tablet
19:32<streuner>sorry, but ruby goldberg install come to mind for me
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19:32<AgentC>anyone have experience with the webcam tool "motion" ?
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19:34<jhutchins_lt>nasuta-work: Nah, I know people who've had debian tablets for years.
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19:34<Wargreen>jhutchins_lt > if I have some money, y buy on ide hard drive for my actual computer
19:34<Wargreen>I buy, sorry
19:35<daemonkeeper>Are you sure?
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19:35<Wargreen>yes, it's a P4 ^^
19:35<jhutchins_lt>Wargreen: 4G (big enough for Debian) $7 USD.
19:35<jhutchins_lt>Wargreen: Shipping might add up for you though...
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19:35<nasuta-work>but i dont find a way for get mouse rightbutton :-(
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19:36<Wargreen>Right, but i have 16Go Corsair, and i like challenge
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19:37<nasuta-work>grub2 can boot iso too
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19:37<retrospectacus>nasuta-work: I believe you can use some accessibility feature to enable right-click upon holding down the button (your finger)
19:37<streuner>Wargreen: what kind of machine do you use now?
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19:38<nasuta-work>retrospectacus, how long? nothing happen
19:38<Wargreen>streuner > an intel P4 2.8Ghz w/ 512Mo ram
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19:38<streuner>Wargreen: well, thats good enough for a Debian install :-P
19:38<Wargreen>and a verry old school HD
19:38<retrospectacus>nasuta-work: you need to configure it. It's in gnome-mouse-properties
19:39<nasuta-work>retrospectacus, i use xfce4
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19:39<streuner>512MB RAM and a 2.8Ghz? very strange
19:39<retrospectacus>nasuta-work: there may be a similar tool for xfce or you may be able to install gnome-control-center
19:40<Wargreen>it's was free ^^
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19:41<streuner>Wargreen: we just use Debian on our machines, just feel free to install it too ;-)
19:41<nasuta-work>that will instal the whole gnome..
19:41<Wargreen>i have a quad-core beside, but the graphics is dead
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19:41<streuner>there is always VESA
19:42<streuner>even if a driver doesnt work...
19:42<will>with a dead GPU?
19:42<daemonkeeper>Not always
19:42<daemonkeeper>I had the only GPU which had absolutely no Linux support once.
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19:42<nasuta-work>i try it, retrospectacus, its an chance, thx
19:42<daemonkeeper>Well, maybe virtually the only.
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19:43<retrospectacus>nasuta-work: np, gl
19:44<streuner>well, there is always an option for not supported hardware, just sell it and buy something which is supported...
19:44<will>daemonkeeper: what is your GPU?
19:45<Wargreen>so, what you think about "liveusb multiboot" (
19:45<daemonkeeper>will: These days I have some flavors of Nvidia accross systems. But I was referring to an ATI card I had back in the early 2000s where not even VESA did work.
19:45<streuner>dpkg, gpu
19:45<dpkg>rumour has it, gpu is Graphical Processing Unit. The CPU of the video card =)
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19:48<will>daemonkeeper: have you ever tried Debian 6 with your old ATI card?
19:49<daemonkeeper>heh, that card does not exist anymore since 2000 or so. It was some voodoo with a dual ATI Rage 128 chip, it was not even supported in Windows NT/2000, only 98/Me
19:50<streuner>well, i know ati 128 too
19:50<daemonkeeper>Yeah, that card had two ATI 128 chips on a single card
19:50<will>voodoo was a 3Dfx card not ATI
19:50<streuner>it was only useful if you installed unusual drivers years ago in Debian
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19:51<daemonkeeper>voodoo is more than that will :)
19:51<streuner>will: but why do you searching for errors in Debian all the time?
19:51-!-AgentC is now known as RalfDonalds_hungry
19:52<streuner>who cares about ati rage 128 at all? they are like stone-ages :-)
19:52-!-RalfDonalds_hungry is now known as AgentC
19:53<daemonkeeper>To conclude: One ATI 128 was complicated enough, but two on a single card were nothing but no support at all. Remember, this was a decade before SLI and whatever was invented.
19:55<will>how can I use my voodoo 5?
19:56<daemonkeeper>judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-tdfx
19:56<judd>Package xserver-xorg-video-tdfx on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.4.0-1; squeeze: 1:1.4.3-2; wheezy: 1:1.4.3-2; sid: 1:1.4.3-4
19:56<daemonkeeper>here you are :p
19:56<streuner>dpkg, info xserver-xorg-video-tdfx
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19:57<dpkg>xserver-xorg-video-tdfx: (X.Org X server -- tdfx display driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:1.4.3-4 (sid), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 144 kB
19:57<streuner>omg, voodoo, is it not that old vs. 128? ;-)
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19:58<daemonkeeper>No, actually a lot newer.
19:59*streuner remember only, that voodoo was not good supported at all
19:59<will>daemonkeeper: I guess you own a Rage Fury MAXX
20:00<daemonkeeper>Indeed, but as said, I do not own that card anymore since roughly ten years ;)
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20:01<daemonkeeper>I believe I switched to a Geforce II afterwards :D
20:01<streuner>well, /me has a ATI Rage 128 here :-P
20:02<streuner>no fun ;-)
20:02<daemonkeeper>These days it should be supported by the ATI driver though, I'd claim
20:02*streuner needs to get rid of some crap...
20:02<sney`>I think this laptop I'm using Squeeze on right now has a geforce2 in it.
20:02<streuner>daemonkeeper: :-)
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20:04<daemonkeeper>Today life is much easier, as there are only two and a half vendor left.
20:05<sney`>who's the half? intel?
20:05<sney`>it's a big half.
20:05<daemonkeeper>As of my understanding
20:05<sney`>iirc they still dominate desktop video
20:06<daemonkeeper>Well, for on board devices, sure.
20:06<bones_was_here_>intel has more marketshare with their "gpus" than ati and nvidia combined lol
20:06<daemonkeeper>Since everyone gets one for free literally
20:06<daemonkeeper>AMD by the way, bones_was_here_
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20:12<AgentC>!give beer to sney`
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20:12<tharkun>!beer sney`
20:12*dpkg pours a pint of Delirium Tremens for sney`
20:13<daemonkeeper>Now he's drunk.
20:13<ayaka>I try to install debian from PXE,I unpacked the netboot.tar.gz,but the guest stop in GATEWAY IP
20:13<sney`>Im still at work
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20:13<sney`>for another hour
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20:14<tharkun>sney`: $date ?
20:14*AgentC hicks
20:14<retrospectacus>!champagne AgentC
20:14*dpkg puts on a black catsuit and showers AgentC in the finest Cliquot champagne.
20:15<sney`>robot wearing a catsuit
20:15<sney`>maybe I am drunk
20:15<sney`>good thing I'm not driving
20:15<jhutchins_lt>DT is an excelent strong belgian-style ale.
20:15<AgentC>!beer sney`
20:15*dpkg pulls out an excellent Dogfishhead 90min IPA for sney`
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20:15<retrospectacus>!beer _julian_
20:15*dpkg pulls out a fine Bornem Tripple for _julian_
20:15<sney`>careful, you're spilling your offtopic
20:16<retrospectacus>there is no beer robot in -ot :(
20:16<streuner>beer over TCP would be interesting :-P
20:16<AgentC>yea, just for fun, but not too much, he's right
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20:17<jhutchins_lt>In the ethernet there is no beer....
20:17<daemonkeeper>If you can order coffee over TCP, why not beer?
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20:17<streuner>its possible
20:18<streuner>but, unfortunatly not over TCP ;-)
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20:18<AgentC>maybe by teleport ?
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20:20<sney`>you can order lots of things over tcp, the problem is delivery
20:21<AgentC>sney`: so when teleporter are possible, you only have to go to ... ;-)
20:22<AgentC>sney`: directly transfered to your stomach ;-) <smile>
20:22<daemonkeeper>But not for every order form there is its own application layer procotol, sney,
20:22<sney`>but that eliminates the fun part.
20:22<jhutchins_lt>Delivery of alcohol is severely regulated here in the Puritanical States of America.
20:22<retrospectacus>AgentC: transferred into his mouth, of course
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20:23<streuner>jhutchins_lt: hehe
20:23<sney`>good thing I live in canada.
20:23<jhutchins_lt>The states have gotten themselves in quite a snit over buying wine over the 'net.
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20:23<streuner>jhutchins_lt: you already mention the fine difference, "Puritanical" ;-)
20:24<AgentC>retrospectacus: for alcoholics better directly intravenous ... ;-) <smile>
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20:25<streuner>jhutchins_lt: its a nighmare, for most europeans...
20:25<retrospectacus>u need hard liquor for that. Intravenous beer would likely kill you...
20:26<AgentC>retrospectacus. even if you drink it, just a question of time
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20:27<retrospectacus>hehe... enough with the propaganda
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20:28<retrospectacus>everyone knows beer actually makes you live longer
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20:28<retrospectacus>(taken non-intravenously)
20:29<doubledutch>!beer doubledutch
20:29*dpkg deftly decants a fine Delirium Tremens for doubledutch
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20:29<doubledutch>!slap himself
20:29*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across himself's face
20:29<dpkg>< guruman> is there some way to make ls list all entries starting with a digit, i mean like 'ls [0-9]*' or similar instead of doing 'ls 1* && ls 2* ...' < furrywolf> guruman: ls [0-9]* :P < guruman> furrywolf it says "[0-9]" is not a directory or file ... < guruman> furrywolf ls [a-z]* seems to work but not 0-9 ... strange < guruman> furrywolf lol .. ofc it works its just me that doesnt have any files beginning with 0-9 in
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20:32<AgentC>!forget beer
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20:32<AgentC>oha : <dpkg> will not delete 'beer', count > limit (513 > 100) use 'no, ' instead.
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20:39<AgentC>god gaves men bigger brains then dogs that they do not fall womans on the legs on parties. ;-)
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20:40<retrospectacus>AgentC: ot
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21:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:15<AgentC>:: i had put my dvdromdrive to my target-install system and installing from netinstall disk. usb is crazy cause it does not work as expected (even like docu does not work)
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21:21<AgentC>i try to install by netinstall disk, but when i arrive the point "software select and install" , the installer brings up an error message and returns to menu without installing something. i checked, ethernet is available!
21:21<AgentC>on another machine (for a friend) i had also problems with that 6.0 installer. whats wrong, i think it should be stable !? hm ?
21:22<AgentC>!give beer to agentc
21:22*dpkg gives beer to agentc
21:23<AgentC>dpkg: thank you
21:23<dpkg>AgentC: de nada
21:23<AgentC>!give beer to dpkg
21:23*dpkg gives beer to dpkg
21:23<AgentC>!dpkg is drunken
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21:25<NTU>how do you run make xconfig on a kernel with debian sid? i have qt4-dev-tools and qt3-dev-tools installed and ran ldconfig several times, logged in and out, rebooted, etc but no luck
21:25<NTU>scripts/kconfig/qconf.moc:13:34: fatal error: private/qucomextra_p.h: No such file or directory
21:26*AgentC would like to help but dunno
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21:27<NTU>i know in arch linux you run export QTDIR=/opt/qt but debian installs it somewhere else
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21:28<AgentC>IRC-chat-clients should have the possiblity to let play sound-alert by remote (from irc) to wake up all the sleeping rest ;-) <smile> when they could read/listen this while sleeping they would kill me for this idea ;=) hehe :)
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21:30<NTU>i think 2.6.37 kernels ask for QT4 if avaliable
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21:35<th_>i have just tried running make xconfig on linux kernel source
21:35<NTU>with qt4 and qt3 dev tools?
21:35<NTU>btw did it work?
21:36<th_>yes, it works. no, i don't have qt3-dev-tools nor qt4-dev-tools installed
21:36<th_>libqt4-dev is installed
21:37<th_>libqt3-dev is not installed
21:37<NTU>ok im going to remove qt3-dev-tools and libqt3-dev then
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21:38<NTU>Heyyyy!! it works!
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21:39<AgentC>me not
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21:39<AgentC>NTU: but congratulation. i sucked at debian 6 install on another machine
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21:40<NTU>sudo apt-get purge libqt3-dev qt3-dev-tools && sudo ldconfig && make mrproper && make xconfig
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22:07<GhostlyDeath>Hello, with my new laptop (Intel i3) with the squeeze kernel the system boots fine, however when using the sid or experimental kernel the system freezes at "Waiting for /dev to be populated". Passing acpi=off is needed to boot with the newer kernel however the squeeze kernel works fine without it
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22:10<Neo>to com dificuldades de achar o compilador do C++ no linux alguem pode me ajudar
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22:12<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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22:20<sney>GhostlyDeath: the newer kernels are host to a bunch of unpredictable issues which is why testing is also still on 2.6.32.
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22:22<bones_was_here_>there's no perfect kernel, most of them seem to break on certain machines
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22:23<GhostlyDeath>On this machine however, the kernel works fine
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22:24<bones_was_here>you probably have the quiet flag in your kernel arguments, if you remove that you might get more info on why the newer kernel won't boot
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22:26<GhostlyDeath>Tried that, there wasn't much to see
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22:27<GhostlyDeath>Eventually reached a point where it accepted no keyboard input
22:27<GhostlyDeath>However, pressing Ctrl+Alt+Del did reboot the system after about 5 seconds
22:28<GhostlyDeath>Maybe it's something related to setting the screen font?
22:30<bones_was_here>are you using the latest packaged udev?
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22:31<bones_was_here>if it reboots at ctrl+alt+del it is running, rather than hung, but sounds like its waiting for something...
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22:42<bones_was_here>actually iirc i had a similar issue when i tried rc1 of 2.6.37 (boot stalled at about the same stage) but didn't pursue it (i7, X58)
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22:42<bones_was_here>2.6.37 official releases (i'm using vanilla source) work fine
22:43<bones_was_here>have not tried debian's build of it
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22:46<rxvikAway>if I changed my sources.list file from squeeze to wheezy, and ran aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade; shouldn't I be on Kernel 2.6.37?
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22:49<rxvik>bones_was_here: ah, thanks. i guess it's right where it needs to be
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22:51<GhostlyDeath>bones_was_here: I waited an hour on one boot and it never went anywhere
22:52<GhostlyDeath>I'm thinking of building the kernel myself as I'll need it for the videocard (evergreen)
22:53<rxvik>wow.. chromium seems crazy old on Debian.
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23:09<ayaka>I try to install from PXE,but it said NO default or UI config directive found,what is the problem?
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23:12<bones_was_here>ayaka: does the bootloader run, and start the kernel? never seen that error, so no idea when it might appear
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23:13<ayaka>bones_was_here, it only show boot:
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23:13<ayaka>a line before NO ~~ is Trying to load :pxelinux.cfg/defualt OK
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23:14<ayaka>bones_was_here, and how to start bootloader and kernel?
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23:15<bones_was_here>ayaka: it should automatically start the installer menu, with options like install/expert install, similar to what you see when booting the install CD
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23:16<bones_was_here>it'll start a kernel when one of those options is selected
23:17<bones_was_here>ayaka: how is your dhcp server configured?
23:18<prem>is there any place i can found the list of whole contributors to debian..
23:18<prem>may be region wise..?
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23:21<ayaka>bones_was_here, in fact,I use M$,and my software is for ghost
23:22<bones_was_here>ah, i've only done it using free software
23:24<ayaka>bones_was_here, I don't use ghost,the software just for the ghost
23:24<bones_was_here>but you need these two things for it to work: a DHCP server configured to pass the "filename" option, and a tftp server hosting the appropriate files
23:25<ayaka>bones_was_here, ok,I will search ,but the software is very normal to as a dhcp and tftp before
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23:25<bones_was_here>there's lots of ways of configuring the two services, but "filename" is all i've ever needed to configure using ISC DHCPD
23:27<ayaka>bones_was_here, ISC DHCPD is free and can use in M$?
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23:28<ayaka>well,M$ is too hard to use,even I want to set a PXE server,but unluckly,I don't have a linux in school
23:28<nevyn>ayaka: ms dhcp isn't that bad.
23:29<bones_was_here>ISC DHCPD is free software but i dont know about using it on windows, however you need to be careful putting dhcp servers on someone else's network
23:31<nevyn>rouge dhcp servers are the sort of thing that people get fired over.
23:31<nevyn>at least here.
23:31<ayaka>bones_was_here, I will use tftp
23:31<ayaka>bones_was_here, I will use tftp32 to do this
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23:45<bones_was_here>ayaka: pretty much any dhcp server (including microsoft) will work if configured correctly, but its quite some years since i've used microsoft DHCP
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23:45<bones_was_here>when running a DHCP server, you may want to directly connect your machines rather than using the local network, to avoid causing problems for other network users
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23:49<ayaka>bones_was_here, I know what is the problem,pxelinux.0 is a line,but I don't know which is line to which
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23:54<ayaka>bones_was_here, thank you all the same,I will try to USB Mass,pxe is hard
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