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---Logopened Thu Mar 10 00:00:16 2011
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00:12<mister_m>do I have to add a special repo for security updates?
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00:38<AgentC>i am triing with the util motion (webcam-motion-screenshoter/hosting), local it works but can anyone say me, it works from WAN outside ? please try and give me a report
00:39<AgentC>just for let me know it works for videobroadcast or not
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00:40<AgentC>ok, that means, when anybody is awake at this time ;)
00:40<dpkg>Yes, agentc, you are online.
00:40<AgentC>!seen nasutix_
00:40<dpkg>i haven't seen 'nasutix_', AgentC
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00:41<PERCEVAL>i'm capital
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00:41<PERCEVAL>not now, John
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00:42<naxuta>Sysinfo for 'dienstag': Linux 2.6.37-ck2nasutix-07 running KDE Development Platform 4.4.5 (KDE 4.4.5), CPU: Dual-Core AMD Opteron 2220 SE at 1000 MHz (1999 bogomips), HD: 626/1368GB, RAM: 16026/16085MB, 149 proc's, 12.24h up
00:42<naxuta>wrong chan, srry
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00:44<AgentC>naxuta: does that mean you are an artifical intelligence ?
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00:45<DrSampler>AgentC: it works for me. i see some wall with posters
00:45<naxuta>maybe, AgentC
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00:45<solidrock>guys, i've upgrade my debian 5 to 6 server. problem is the network. how do i enable my network interface
00:45<DrSampler>however picture is so tiny, and red colored, so it is hard to say about details
00:46<AgentC>naxuta: ;=) okay you're awake at this time, may i ask you to check my home-webserver page for see my webcam-video or not ? (testing is working or not) ?
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00:46<PERCEVAL>try with ndiswrapper or madwifi
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00:47<nasuta>yes, it works
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00:48<PERCEVAL>i've fixed many features with it
00:48<AgentC>DrSampler: ah, i overread your answer, OK, and quality is ok ?
00:48<naxuta>cp /boot/config-`uname -r` ./.config
00:48<PERCEVAL>on my sony-vaio
00:48<naxuta>damn touchpad!!!
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00:48<DrSampler>AgentC: quality is pretty bad =)
00:49<solidrock>i need to activate my network interface ? how do i do that after upgrading my debian 5 server
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00:49<DrSampler>but it may be my opera browser and/or nvidia driver not showing it the way it meant to be
00:49<AgentC>DrSampler: 352x288 :-( seems to be a little buggy hardware
00:49<DrSampler>heh too small
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00:51<DrSampler>solidtock: ifup will bring up eth0, ifdown stops the network
00:51<AgentC>DrSampler: no no, that depends on the hardware. on opera you can zoom it to 400% then is ok, but lo-res , need to buy a better cam, i only wanted to know the software-stream works or not. and it does its job ?
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00:51<DrSampler>AgentC: Streaming works, digits in lower coner changes. So, broadcasting really works
00:51<DrSampler>not a still picture
00:52<AgentC>DrSampler: i sit down to the chair, take a look again, then you see a drunken ex-infineon programmer while creating a cigarette ;-))))
00:52<DrSampler>i just hope it is normal cig, and not a weed)
00:53<DrSampler>yeah i see ya)
00:53<DrSampler>you're drinking
00:54<AgentC>:=) no weed
00:55<nasuta>poor AgentC
00:55<DrSampler>but i can say, it is updates pretty slowly
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00:55<AgentC>hm, "motion" is the name of the util.
00:55<DrSampler>like, 5-6 fps
00:55<DrSampler>and, considering, i am on 100megabit fiber uplink, thats weird
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00:56<AgentC>sometimes someone breaks into my flat with a re-created key and manipulate private things here, so i want to get a videocapture, and this tool can shot jpegs when motion is detected.
00:56<AgentC>but that webcam suxx
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00:57<DrSampler>for your purposes, i think it will do the job
00:57<DrSampler>hold on, i will post a picture how's it is looks like at browser
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00:59<AgentC>DrSampler: i think it does, i dont want to provide parts of my private, it's just for scanning the entrance door who's coming in ... (when it is configured correctly)
01:00<AgentC>so, portnumber will change when it is setup'ed correctly.
01:00<AgentC>and portscan not possible through dynamic IP
01:01<AgentC>that means : f*ck that stalkers done all that shit to me !
01:01<DrSampler>how's it looks like at chromium
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01:03<AgentC>hm, small like on my machines, dont know how to resize the image before broadcast, didnt found any config-entry for this purpose. is a little bit too small....
01:03<DrSampler>consider buying a better camera
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01:04<AgentC>but when i setup to 640x480 then video-errors coming up (cam can , software makes errors on that res.)
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01:04<AgentC>ok, i try again.
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01:06<AgentC>hm, now it gives picture with 640x480, but size on browser is unchanged, just a little bit more slow
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01:09<DrSampler>i remember a lots of questions about webcams with debian
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01:10<DrSampler>many ppl run on problems with it, too
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01:11<AgentC>yea, on some apps this webcam comes to BGR instead of RGB, so red/blue is exchanged
01:11<AgentC>also "skype" sometimes have probs to recognise the device, sometimes it works
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01:13<AgentC>DrSampler: take a look now, is that better in case of quality ?
01:13<DrSampler>hold a sec
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01:14<DrSampler>the same small size
01:14<DrSampler>i see a hand)
01:14<DrSampler>dunno if the quality improves or no
01:15<DrSampler>dunno, seems a little bit brigther.. probably
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01:16<AgentC>miau ;) hm, im working on optimal configuration , in some cases it results into vertical=50% interlace just when i set qualityfactor to 100%, but 95% not, crazy!
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01:17<DrSampler>what program do you use to broadcast sygnal?
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01:17<DrSampler>may be it worth switching to try another software
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01:20<mehdi_>how can i install these packages ? No package 'ecore' found,No package 'ecore-ipc' found,No package 'eet' found,No package 'eina' found
01:21<AgentC>DrSampler: the tool is called "motion" and provides its own mini-http server on that page. port 8080 would be a config-page, but isnt givn free on my router.
01:21<AgentC>DrSampler: try a look again, i think video-motion (framerate) is now faster, isnt it ?
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01:23<DrSampler>wait a minute
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01:24<DrSampler>i see motion detector works
01:24<DrSampler>but frame-rate is still awful
01:24<DrSampler>like 4-5fps
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01:26<AgentC>DrSampler: on normal apps the cam produce only 25 fps, but network is fast enough for that stream, ok my uplink only have 50kb/s but also in 100mbit intranet it is also as slow
01:27<DrSampler>that's strange
01:28<AgentC>let me try to modify configfile
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01:28<DrSampler>it must work at full 25fps on 100mb link
01:28<DrSampler>i think something wrong with your software
01:29<AgentC>and hardware.... i could try to reduce resoltion but thinking that's not the prob (usb 2.0)
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01:31<DrSampler>yeah usb20 is fast enough to handly anything
01:31<DrSampler>well, i have to go.. hope you'll fix your cam.. bbl
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01:55<GhostlyDeath>Hello, is there a way to choose with ALSA which mixer element the media keys adjust via the command line?
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02:02<jm_>GhostlyDeath: that's more related to whatever handles the audio keys, don't you think?
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02:09<jm_>so if you can change then it certainly is possible
02:09<jm_>for me it uses PCM mixer
02:10<GhostlyDeath>Pressing it does cause events and whatnot but it changes nothing
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03:00<obedience>How to become a hacker ?
03:00<Torsten_W>become farmer
03:00<Torsten_W>then you can hack around the farm
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03:31<ayaka>I install debian for usb-cdrom,I cancel search mirror server,but it stop in it,what shall I do
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03:32<mehdi_>which lib should i install for this? checking whether lua_newstate() is in liblua... checking for lua_newstate in -llua... no
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03:38<jmm_>hello !
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03:38<jm_>mehdi_: you need one of the liblua*-dev packages
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03:39<jmm_>I made a custom debian install CD, but the iso is 750mb there something special to do to burn it on a dvd instead of a CD ? I tried it in virtualbox it boot fine, but some other user can't boot it on a real computer.
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03:40<jm_>jmm_: no
03:40<jww>I guess the problem is between chair and keyboard so. thanks.
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03:43<jm_>jww: sometimes with DVD-R you need to use -dvd-compat switch with growisofs, or the unit might have trouble with some rw disc
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03:45<jww>I think the user is on window$. but I'll take not of it.
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03:45<sylar>I upgraded yesterday, and had an unexpected powerdown in the middle, and now gnome doesn't run, what should I do now?
03:45<jww>I get it now, nice information !
03:45<jm_>that was a bit lousy statement - those are two separate things to watch out for
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03:50<Slavius>Hi all
03:50<Slavius>anyone here who understands inner kernel workings?
03:51<Slavius>i need help with module compiling problem (actually the problem is at the module insertion)
03:52<jm_>could you be more vague?
03:52<Slavius>of course
03:53<Slavius>we're working on a embedded ARM board by our supplier, who does not want to tell us his know-how
03:53<mehdi_>packages for this? No package 'dbus-1' found No package 'edbus' found No package 'ehal' found
03:53<Slavius>it's running ARM 2.6.30 kernel and we're trying to cross compile kernel module for it
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03:54<Slavius>i've managed to get pegasus USB->Ethernet module to compile, insert and working perfect
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03:54<obengdako>help guys i kind of broke my system i no longer gets my Huawei modem E153 recognised in modem mode by network manager, this happened after i installed wader-core and betavine connection manager but uninstalling them does not solve the situation , any help
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03:56<Slavius>but when I compile usbnet.ko which i need to make another USB->Ethernet module to work and try to modprobe it it says "Unknown symbol warn_slowpath_null"
03:57<Slavius>i've found it in kernel/panic.c which is dependant on define __WARN, does anyone know how to compile kernel without this?
03:58<Slavius>note: I suspect the ARM board is running vanilla kernel
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04:00<jm_>Slavius: sometimes you need to use a newly built kernel image after enablign some options - did you do try this?
04:00<Slavius>i did make clean and then make
04:01<Slavius>no change
04:01<Slavius>theirs kernel has no in-kernel .config support
04:02<Slavius>i tried to configure it as smiliar as I was able to read messages from dmesg output
04:02<jmcoca>i've got a problem with apache server, need help
04:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
04:03<Slavius>any idea, please?
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04:04<jmcoca>I cannot upload file on my debian squeeze server using php script, but the same script work fine on other server
04:04<jm_>make clean and make does not mean the new kernel becomes a running kernel - you need to reboot with it
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04:06<alec1>jmcoca: make sure the apache user has write permission to the temp upload folder
04:06<jm_>anyway, I need to run now
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04:07<alec1>jmcoca: it is also a good idea to read the log right after you have tried to make an upload
04:07<jmcoca>hi alceJ, thanks, the permission are the same on both server (644 on files, 755 on dir)
04:08<jmcoca>i think the problem is about de permission too, but im no sure how to resolve
04:09<alec1>jmcoca: remeber that there are tow upload folder where to need write permission the temporary folder and the folder where you permanently save you file
04:09<jmcoca>please, would you try: (i think you will access a simple web )
04:09<Slavius>jm_: i'm not running that kernel, the ARM boar is, i'm compiling kernel for that board. The kernel does not change
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04:11<alec1>jmcoca: I am not sure me makeing and atempt to upload a file will solve your problem
04:13<jmcoca>sorry its about phpinfo, its ok?
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04:16<jmcoca>i was checking your are right the permission on tmp folder are root root
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04:23<cmot>Hmm. Can I tell pam_cracklib (or some other component in pam) to disallow username == password
04:24<jmcoca>i have changed permisions o tmp folder but not work
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04:28<alec1>jmcoca: what does the log-file say?
04:29<jmcoca>the log file about php, says error = 0 (no error) ???
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04:31<jmcoca>i trying editing php.ini no to use default dir por temporal files...
04:31<gsimmons>cmot: The pam_cracklib 'reject_username' option should do what you want.
04:31<cmot>gsimmons: arrgh!
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04:31<cmot>seems to be not in lenny
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04:32<gsimmons>cmot: Hmm? Working for me here.
04:32<cmot>gsimmons: is it merely undocumented? it's not in man pam_cracklib
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04:33<alec1>jmcoca: not php log file, but the apache log file
04:33<cmot>it's documentd in squeeze at least.
04:33*cmot goes check if it works.
04:33<gsimmons>cmot: Right, np.
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04:35<jmcoca>ok i see
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04:43<gsimmons>cmot: Sorry, reject_username is indeed treated as an unknown option on Lenny. Stock use of pam_cracklib is catching password == username attempts here though.
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04:43<cmot>Perhaps the univention frontend doesn't go via pam but does its own stuff.
04:43<cmot>I'll have to keep digging then
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04:50<jm_>Slavius: yes, but you can't compile a module for another kernel without knowing its config etc.
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04:54<jmcoca> move_uploaded_file(): Unable to move '/tmp/php6n10xI' to 'Imagenes/caracol.jpg' in /var/www/web2/s$
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04:55<alec1>there you go
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04:58<alec1>apache cant move the file to the specifies folder
04:58<alec1>does it excist? is the absolute path correct? do apache have write permission the the folder?
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04:59<jmcoca>ok, i've edited php.ini so trying chage tmp dir but althought i have chaged to /var/www/tmp dir, php.ini says "no value"
05:00<jmcoca>yes de /tmp exits, but the owner is root, and group its root
05:01<alec1>it is not the tmp folder which is the problem
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05:04<alec1>so there is no need to fix a problem which does not excist
05:04<jmcoca>do you mean /var/www/web2/s$
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05:04<alec1>that is a refernce to the php file
05:04<jmcoca>i really don't know what's de s$ at the end of the line
05:05<alec1>not important
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05:06<jmcoca>that's the question, this script works fine on a comercial server, but not at my home server....
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05:06<sylar>I did apt-get autoremvoe, and it is stuck for hours
05:07<sylar>the process seem to be suspended
05:07<sylar>(in htop there is an S on it)
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05:07<sylar>how do I find out if it is working really slowly, or stuck?
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05:07<alec1>jmcoca: does the apache user have write permission two the catalog "Imagenes"?
05:08<jmcoca>i see
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05:09<jm_>sylar: check its child processes
05:09<jmcoca>drwxr-xr-x 3 jmcoca www-data 4096 mar 10 01:26
05:10<sylar>jm_, it had a dpkg child process, but now it doesn't have any children
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05:10<jm_>sylar: then you can check its stacktrace
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05:11<sylar>never did that
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05:11<sylar>how is that done?
05:11<jm_>gdb -p pid and in gdb: thread apply all bt
05:11<alec1>jmcoca: no write permission
05:11<alec1>jmcoca: chmod g+w
05:12<sylar>jm_, do you think that apt-get has debuging capabilities compiled in to it?
05:12<jm_>sylar: it does have some options yes
05:12<sylar>i;ll try
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05:12<jm_>sylar: ahh I see what you mean - you don't need it to be built with -g to see its stack trace
05:13<jmcoca> done
05:14<sylar>jm_, seems like i don't have gdb on that system
05:14<Liyan_oz>i have problem with my debian
05:15<sylar>jm_, and since apt-get locks the databases, I can't install it
05:15<jmcoca>so it works,
05:15<babilen>Liyan_oz: Please provide as much information about it as you can. :)
05:15<jm_>sylar: which database?
05:15<jmcoca>many thanks
05:15<sylar>jm_, the installation database, or directory
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05:15<Liyan_oz>i cant install app with apt-get
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05:15<jmcoca>i have to study a little more about permissions...
05:15<Liyan_oz>Reading package lists... Done
05:15<Liyan_oz>Building dependency tree
05:15<Liyan_oz>Reading state information... Done
05:15<Liyan_oz>Package squid is not available, but is referred to by another package.
05:15<Liyan_oz>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
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05:16<jmcoca>alec1 thanks from spain...
05:16<jm_>sylar: well there is also dpkg lock
05:16<sylar>maybe that is what I meant
05:17<jm_>so depending on which one is locked a different problem is causing it
05:17<sylar>should I try installing gdb?
05:17<jm_>but since you said dpkg exited - I would expect it would unlock its own lockfile
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05:19<sylar>jm_, apt-get doesn't want to work
05:20<sylar>jm_, saying stuff are locked
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05:20<jm_>sylar: which stuff?
05:21<sylar>jm_, archives
05:22<sylar>jm_, cant lock the download directory
05:22<SynrG>is the blocked process now completely gone?
05:22<SynrG>or is it still running?
05:22<sylar> /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
05:23<SynrG>yes, i know where the lockfile is. does the process it belongs to exist?
05:23<sylar>SynrG, it appears in htop but has S for suspended
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05:24<sylar>SynrG, it being apt-get. I am not sure if it has the lock, but I suspect so
05:24<SynrG>i've seen this happen when apt runs some postinst that attempts to iterate over all mounted filesystems and one of the filesystems (a network filesystem, cifs to be precise) was badly behaved and not responding properly
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05:24<SynrG>or, i should say when dpkg runs some postinst
05:25<sylar>SynrG, I rand 'apt-get autoremove'
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05:25<HyperHoRse>what does it mean when it says it need to repair
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05:25<HyperHoRse>in software centre
05:25<HyperHoRse>whats wrong
05:25<sylar>... but what can I do about it?
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05:25<HyperHoRse>ubuntus having a cry
05:26<SynrG>sylar: in my case i killed the process, located and unmounted the misbehaving filesystem and tried again
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05:26<sylar>SynrG, did it work?
05:26<jm_>sylar: right that's because apt-get hasn't quit yet
05:26<SynrG>sylar: generally package installs and removals are designed to be robust in the face of failure so that if you rerun them after aborting them they should work.
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05:26<SynrG>sylar: yes. it worked for me.
05:26<HyperHoRse>ubuntu software centre will not repair
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05:27<jm_>!tell HyperHoRse -about ubuntu
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05:27<sylar>SynrG, my gnome stoped working after the upgrade
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05:28<SynrG>sylar: 'the upgrade'? have we changed topics?
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05:28<SynrG>you were talking about apt-get autoremove ...
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05:29<jm_>HyperHoRse: this is not about ubuntu, read what dpkg told you
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05:36<HyperHoRse>so software centre is broken?
05:36<HyperHoRse>how did i manage do brake software centre
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05:39<babilen>HyperHoRse: Are you using Ubuntu?
05:39<sylar>SynrG, I stoped apt-get, and did it again, seems like it think that it has completed the mission
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05:39<sylar>SynrG, I now 'apt-get install gnome' seem like autoremove removed it
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05:40<babilen>HyperHoRse: This is a channel for Debian support. Ubuntu has a support channel on named #ubuntu. Please ask in there as Ubuntu is not supported in here.
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05:40<sylar>SynrG, I hope this will fix everything, when it is done
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05:40<sylar>I don't get why autoremove removed gnome
05:40<sylar>how does autoremove select what to remove?
05:41<babilen>!tell sylar -about unmarkauto
05:43<babilen>sylar: You typically want to install one of the smaller metapackages and unmarkauto whatever you want to keep that is going to be removed after that. A command to unmarkauto all dependencies of gnome is: aptitude unmarkauto '?reverse-depends(^gnome$) -- but that might not necessarily what you want.
05:43<babilen>!tell sylar -about install gnome
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05:48<k10>hiiiiiiiiiiii alll
05:49<k10>i m having problem setting up my broadband connection on backtrack4r2
05:49<jm_>!tell k10 -about bt4
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05:50<k10>i cant connect to the internet
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05:50<k10>tell me how to setup dsl modem connection
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05:50*jm_ must be imagining things
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05:50<jm_>seeing people on irc that can't connect ...
05:50<seeS>he's on the dubya dubya dubya instead
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05:51<k10>actually m using my mobile phone ryt now to connect to irc
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05:51<seeS>oh thats what bt4 is
05:52<k10>hey jm got me?
05:52<k10>will u hep me now
05:52<HyperHoRse>Software Centre Sucks
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05:52<babilen>k10: Please read the message dpkg send you. This channel does not support backtrack4, try #backtrack-linux on
05:52<seeS>i love it! "probably falls short of Debian's standards"
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05:54<babilen>!tell k10 about u
05:54<babilen>!tell k10 about bt4 magic
05:54<k10>ohk sorry but i was defaultly logged in to this room
05:54<babilen>k10: No problem, may you have a nice day.
05:54<k10>thank u
05:55<seeS>who writes that dpkg stuff :)
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05:56<babilen>seeS: The #d collective.
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05:56<seeS>not the cabal though, thankfully
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05:57<jm_>or lolcat
05:57<babilen>seeS: You might be interested in "/msg dpkg factinfo FACTOID", so for example, "/msg dpkg factinfo bt4"
05:57<seeS>im just surprised how much is in dpkg
05:58<babilen>seeS: Gathered and refined over the years by all of us.
05:58<HyperHoRse>mess with debian and it goes out of control
05:59<seeS>babilen: i can see some of times must of been very weary, hence the bt4 magic quote
05:59<babilen>HyperHoRse: You are *not* using Debian. Don't think you do and make assumptions about Debian based on your Ubuntu system.
05:59<babilen>seeS: Hehe, yeah. :)
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06:15<botmind>I'm using exim4
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06:18<Black_Prince>Hi all
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06:48<dominick>Hi! Where's dpkg?
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06:50<dominick>I was looking for free project management alternatives. I found taskjuggler in the repos. Are there any others which I can try?
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06:57<Black_Prince>* dpkg has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
06:57<Black_Prince>RIP dpkg :(
06:58<babilen>dominick: redmine, trac?
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07:06<dominick>taskjuggler seems too complicated for me. especially since I'm new to software development and this being the first time I'm using such a program.
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07:08<babilen>dominick: might come in handy.
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07:10<iSpam>support's here? if yes, I got a problem with hibernation...
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07:12<dominick>thanks babilen! I'm checking it out.
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07:13<iSpam>my problem is, when I resume from hibernation, the system takes the first process I interact with its GUI
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07:13<babilen>dominick: trac is a good choice, not sure if it fits your needs though
07:13<iSpam>then a few seconds later, takes the entire X environment
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07:14<dominick>babilen: from the sound of it, it seems only like an issue tracking system.
07:16<iSpam>so I'm wondering if it's a hardware issue with my old PC, or an hibernation glitch...
07:16<dpkg>hello, dominick
07:16<dpkg>Thank you, dominick.
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07:28<dominick>babilen: how do I access trac?
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07:29<cthuluh>aptitude search trac
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07:35<SynrG>iSpam: what hardware? and what do you mean by "the system takes ..."?
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07:36<SynrG>iSpam: also, are you running squeeze? are you up-to-date?
07:37<SynrG>!suspend troubleshooting
07:37<dpkg>A guide for troubleshooting suspend-to-RAM and suspend-to-disk problems is at and . The tools it talks about are available in the Debian <uswsusp> package. See also
07:38<SynrG>oh, ugh ... that factoid needs updating.
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07:38<SynrG>uswsusp was poorly maintained and buggy, and has been removed from squeeze.
07:39<jm_>ehh? it relies on kernel to do the job
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07:42<CyL>Is there a way to force lvm to ignore the settings in lvm.conf?
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08:03<dpkg>The first <point release> for Debian Squeeze (6.0.1) is scheduled for March 19th, 2011. Cherry USB keyboards are usable during Debian installation (Debian bug #584973), issues with Ethernet bonding are corrected (Debian bugs #610838, #616058) and support for VIA VT6656 wireless LAN devices is introduced.
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08:24<SynrG>jm_: uswsusp was doing some funny stuff that would screw up resume. nobody bothered to fix it and as you say, the kernel does the job anyway (pm-hibernate will just frob the appropriate kernel thing in /sys to hibernate) ... so i think the suspend troubleshooting factoid, which references the now-removed uswusp package needs updating ...
08:24<SynrG>problem is, i don't know how. are the guides it refers to still any good without uswsusp?
08:27<jm_>SynrG: no, I meant that uswsusp reiles on the kernel
08:27<SynrG>and considering it's not only out of date, but also opensuse-centric ...
08:27<SynrG>jm_: be that as it may, it's no longer a relevant factoid
08:27<jm_>two days ago uswsusp 1.0 was released, final version it seems - I wonder what the future tool to replace it will be
08:28<SynrG>well, pm-utils is fine. but this article refers to that as the "old kernelspace method"
08:29<SynrG>which is superceded by the "new userspace method"
08:29<SynrG>i don't buy that.
08:29<jm_>it is - kernel suspend does not support compression for example
08:29<SynrG>not even through pm-utils hooks?
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08:30<jm_>not sure, checkig out pm-utils now cause maybe I'll have to switch over someday
08:31<SynrG>i don't see why pm-utils couldn't be enhanced to support it. it seems back in 2008 there were patches proposed to do this very thing ... i'm checking some more, too.
08:31<iSpam>any known hibernation glitches in 6.0.0?
08:31<iSpam>after resuming, the first open app I interact with crashes
08:31<SynrG>iSpam: it's highly dependent on your hardware, which is why i asked what you have.
08:31<iSpam>then X crashes some seconds later
08:31<iSpam>yeah, I think it's acting up
08:32<iSpam>got an unexplained freeze while browsing software center once
08:32<babilen>jm_: I have been using pm-utils for some time now and never had any problems or even needed to configure it. Not surprisingly given that this is a T60 though, YMMV
08:32<iSpam>also got a kernel oops while installing a package
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08:32<jm_>babilen: do you know if it can compress hibernation image?
08:32<SynrG>iSpam: this may indicate general flakiness of your hardware, then, and not a problem specifically relating to hibernation.
08:32<babilen>jm_: I typically just suspend but IIRC it compresses the images, yes.
08:33<SynrG>iSpam: operate the system without hibernation for a while and if it still behaves this way, consider fixing/upgrading your hardware.
08:33<jm_>good, it also seems hal is optional, so maybe my switch will be simple
08:33<jm_>iSpam: it may also be worth trying to suspend without X, or in single-user mode and test if that works
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08:35<babilen>jm_: Given #612715 hal is unfortunately not really optional right now.
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08:36<babilen>jm_: Ah, wonderful. It has been fixed in 0.7.3-1 -- Good news indeed. :)
08:37<babilen>bye bye hal :)
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08:38<jm_>babilen: none of that is installed on my systems
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08:38<babilen>jm_: Well, I need wpasupplicant on my laptop.
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08:39<jm_>babilen: ahh, I use it on my desktop
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08:40<jm_>it looks like it still needs s2disk if I want to compress the image
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08:52<Hansenn>hey men
08:52<Hansenn>what`s up here ha
08:52<thegodlikehobo>y helo thar
08:53<Hansenn>its mey first time here....what you do here
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08:54<Hansenn>I think I will do nothing like you
08:54<Hansenn>don`t understant paull
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08:56<devil>paul1: this is 1.) debian support, and 2.) its english only
08:57<paul1>sure and i was only answering... so what
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08:57<devil>paul1: if you have debian relate questions in deutshc, please see
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08:57<paul1>i have no question
08:57<jm_>I think you're telling the wrong person
08:57<devil>ups, sorry. right message, wrong person :)
08:58<daemonkeeper>And the right left.
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09:00<devil>poor me.
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09:15<jww>I have a small problem with setting up an alias for my network works fine when I try on command line, but not on is my /etc/network/interfaces
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09:16<jww>on startup eth0 receive his dhcp address, while eth0:1 is not up.
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09:34<SynrG>jww: perhaps it is due to you mixing allow-hotplug and auto?
09:35<SynrG>my understanding is that allow-hotplug would be set up later ...
09:35<SynrG>i'm fuzzy on the details though. but it is something you might experiment with.
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09:41<jww>SynrG: thanks synrG, I'll try it.
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09:47<babilen>jww: Does the interface come up when you bring it up with "ifup" ? What about "ifup -a" ? (ifdown it prior to the ifup -a )
09:49<babilen>jww: And yes, you want "auto eth0" in there as well, not allow-hotplug ..
09:50<jww>babilen: the computer is rebooting I'll try ifup -a soon.
09:50<jww>I just removed that allow-hotplug.
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09:51<babilen>jww: "ifup -a" is what is executed during the boot and should bring up all interfaces that have a "auto IFACE" stanza
09:52<jww> when I made the change first, I restarted networking, but eth0 could not get a ip for an unknown reason,
09:52<jww>that why I'm restarting it.
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09:59<jww>okay sound like it's not getting network on restart :\
09:59<jww>I gotta phone a guy to reboot it lol.
10:00<babilen>jww: Please run the tests I mentioned earlier and paste the result along with your /e/n/i to -- And take your time :)
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10:13<si907>hi need some help
10:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:15<abcd82>SynrG: y-day you said that *deb packages need to go to /usr !/usr/local, but my packages differ from debian's, debian packages are divided in lib,doc,dev while my contains all in one, not that i keep double packages in system, but does that cannot lead to problems? also to lazy to write dependency, conflict info
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10:15<si907>!ask i cant see some pages in my chrome or iceweasel
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10:16<SynrG>si907: i think you've misunderstood. "!ask" is just my instruction to the bot to tell you how to ask a question properly, and is not something you need to type :)
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10:16<si907>sorry it is 7 year when i used irc last time :P
10:16<SynrG>si907: you will have to work harder to describe your problem. maybe at least tell us precisely what "some pages" means?
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10:17<si907>SynrG: for example i can't see
10:18<SynrG>abcd82: i still think /opt/packagename is the right place to put such material. or else why are you worried about conflicts of material provided in /usr/local?
10:18<SynrG>abcd82: i'm afraid i've lost the thread of what you're trying to accomplish here :)
10:18<SynrG>si907: what happens instead?
10:19<SynrG>si907: can you see most web pages fine?
10:21<si907>SynrG: chrome is sending request ..... and Opss .....
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10:22<si907>SynrG: Google Chrome could not find
10:22<SynrG>so, if both web browsers have the same problem, i guess DNS is messed up for you
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10:23<si907>but its only on linux
10:23<SynrG>this could be due to a local configuration problem or else a failure of DNS at your ISP
10:23<si907>Mac and Win works fine
10:23<SynrG>if other machines on the same net (or the same machine booted to a different OS) works fine, it's probably a local configuration problem then.
10:23<SynrG>are you using DHCP to configure or do you have a static configuration?
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10:24<SynrG>do you run a local nameserver or do you use one on the network?
10:24<si907>nope i'm directly connected to router
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10:25<SynrG>i don't know what you mean by that.
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10:26<si907> has address
10:26<si907>its our server
10:27<SynrG>it's accessible fine from here
10:27<SynrG>is it pingable?
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10:28<SynrG>is it on the local network? if so, is the box NATed?
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10:28<si907> has address
10:28<si907>upps sorry
10:28<si907>64 bytes from icmp_req=1 ttl=57 time=24.1 ms
10:28<SynrG>if the box is NATed, you probably want split-horizon DNS
10:28<si907>64 bytes from icmp_req=1 ttl=57 time=24.1 ms
10:29<SynrG>yes, but we haven't proven the identity of the responding box.
10:29<SynrG>if it's NATed, you may just be seeing the router answering you back
10:29<si907>my linux box or the ip server ???
10:30<SynrG>the server.
10:30<si907>server is in another city works fine with everybody else just not with by linux laptop
10:30<SynrG>ah. how strange
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10:31<SynrG>browser proxy setup issue? don't know ...
10:31<SynrG>i have run out of ideas.
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10:36<si907>SynrG: i have even add to host file this subdomain but same thing happens
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10:37<SynrG>si907: right. i no longer suspect DNS.
10:38<DrSampler>whats your problem, si907?
10:40<si907>DrSampler: can't access this website from under debian
10:41<abcd82>si907: i had similar issue under slackware some time ago and one particular www page that don't exist anymore, even with fresh install, while rebooting same machine to xp partition all worked nice, to bad but mystery ended unresolved
10:41<si907>chrome or other linux browser
10:41<SynrG>si907: you could try a simple telnet test
10:41<SynrG>as per:
10:42<si907>1 sec
10:42<DrSampler>si907: all other sites opened ok, or only this one particular site?
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10:42<max2a>Hello, I have installed Lenny and I have a problem with some php functions. For example file_put_contents doesn't work and tell me: failed to open stream: Permission denied in /home/administrator/public_html . Can you tell me how to fix this issue please?
10:44<si907>only this particular or some ip based whm panels ;]
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10:46<si907>SynrG: simon@toshiba:~$ telnet 80
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10:48<si907>SynrG: telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out
10:49<DrSampler>copy-paste a trace to this host from your box
10:49<abcd82>si907: try though proxy
10:50<si907>ok 1 sec
10:50<DrSampler>type: traceroute
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10:51<si907>traceroute to (, 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
10:51<si907> 1 dsldevice.lan ( 71.400 ms 70.956 ms 70.413 ms
10:51<si907> 2 ( 25.181 ms 47.344 ms 51.143 ms
10:51<si907> 3 ( 33.962 ms 36.510 ms 36.542 ms
10:51<si907> 4 ( 39.880 ms 39.887 ms 40.844 ms
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10:52<si907>forgot irc rules :P
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10:55<SynrG>si907: um, that should have been "telnet 80" by the way :)
10:55<SynrG>and then you give it a valid HTTP request as per the instructions i linked to
10:55<DrSampler>he can't telnet to it
10:56<SynrG>oh, i missed that line
10:56<SynrG>never mind
10:57<SynrG>so this is good news. this now rules out the browser as being the problem.
10:57<SynrG>maybe your network uses a proxy?
10:57<SynrG>and denies you access because you're not set up to use it ...
10:57<DrSampler>i think there are some firewall/proxy/nat somewhere
10:58<SynrG>but the mac/other boxes are
10:58<DrSampler>that blocks http requests (or use some filtering rules)
10:58<DrSampler>he should use external http or socks proxy
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10:59<SynrG>out for lunch now. later
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11:00<si907>DrSampler: so what i have to do :)
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11:00<DrSampler>si907: configure your browser to use any free external proxy, preferably socks4 or socks5
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11:01<SynrG>or for that matter, if your local network has its own proxy, then get the details from your net admin and set it up to use that
11:02<DrSampler>that even better
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11:02<si907>ok will try now
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11:07<mehdi_>does anyone encounter this error while installing enlightment by any chance? error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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11:14<abcd82>mehdi_: sudo aptitude install libedje1
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11:39<satish>hey can anyone help me with installation of debian using pen drive?
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11:42<knoppix_>8544845 please
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11:42<jww>babilen: it tooks ages but I the server has been restarted.
11:42<jww>babilen: I tried ifup -a, it bring my eth0:1 up.
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11:45<babilen>jww: It should come up during boot as well as "ifup -a" is exactly the command that is executed by /etc/init.d/networking
11:45<jww>it's strange.
11:45<jww>( note I checked it was not up after boot )
11:46<jww>I'll try one more reload.
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11:48<babilen>jww: Yes, please do that. I am not sure what exactly is causing this behaviour, but /etc/init.d/networking just calls "ifup -a" to bring up the interfaces.
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11:52<jww>okay I rebooted the computer, but I don't know how many time it will take.
11:52<jww>since it's in dhcp, and last time ip changed.
11:52<jww>( sic ).
11:53<SynrG>satish: there's nothing to it. our images are now ISO hybrid and can be dd'd directly to a pen drive
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11:53<satish>SynrG i hav already tried that its not workin..
11:54<SynrG>!usb install
11:54<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
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11:54<satish>i have a squeeze cd image..
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11:54<SynrG>some BIOSes are unhappy with iso images. it doesn't happen often, but it happens.
11:54<SynrG>i mean, hybrid images
11:55<SynrG>anyway, the links above give alternatives.
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11:56<satish>k i ll just check those... but i have already tried the wiki.debian page for installin from pen drive and it didnt work...
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11:57<satish>thanks SynrG
11:57<SynrG>satish: so you've tried both dding the hybrid image and boot.img.gz + iso?
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11:57<SynrG>it's the netinst image you have?
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11:58<satish>no the normal image...
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11:58<jww>babilen: looks like the ip changed again, I 'll have to continue tomorow.
11:58<SynrG>ah, boot.img.gz works *only* with netinst or businesscard images, as the doc says.
11:58<satish>i hav not tried the latter option...
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11:59<babilen>jww: Why don't you tell your DHCP server to assign the same IP to that MAC or conifgure it statically?
11:59<SynrG>satish: that's the method described in the first URL
11:59<satish>k so i hav a regular image so which option wud work?
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11:59*babilen hands satish a fine selection of vowels
11:59<SynrG>by "regular" image, you mean the first CD of the set?
11:59<satish>then the link is of no use to me..
11:59<jww>babilen: I'm not admin of the network the computer is into.
11:59<babilen>jww: Ah, ok :)
11:59<jww>I'd shot myself if it was the case.
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12:00<SynrG>satish: that URL still describes under "the flexible way" a way to use that image
12:00<satish>debian-6.0.0-i386-CD-1.iso the sqeeze version...
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12:01<SynrG>right. just follow the second set of instructions, then. as footnote 8 states, the full CD image works with that method
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12:07<silner>What's the difference between this channel and the one on Freenode? Descriptions are quite similar?
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12:07<satish>SynrG i hav already tried a similiar method at this link
12:07<dpkg>OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>.
12:08<valdyn>!oftc move
12:08<dpkg> moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also
12:08<valdyn>silner: ^^
12:08<alecjw>hi, anyone recommend any good command line mail clients? i had a look at mutt but apparently it can only receive emails?
12:08<SynrG>satish: so maybe the problem isn't the method you use but something else? what happens when you try to boot from the USB?
12:08<valdyn>alecjw: mutt can do anything
12:09<SynrG>satish: some BIOSes are not at all obvious to configure for correct boot order. and if possible, what i do is press whatever key brings up the "device manager" (if your bios supports that) to select the device to boot from instead..
12:09<satish>i hav set the bios options but it never boots from pen drive...
12:10<satish>i hav set the boot priority properly to boot from pen drive first..
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12:10<SynrG>satish: other BIOSes that lack a device manager, you often find the USB device can only be configured to boot if it's plugged in, and then it appears as a second drive
12:10<silner>So it's not mirrored just duplicated - thanks valdyn
12:10<SynrG>satish: are you certain? i've seen BIOSes where "removable devices" is *not* what you set in the boot order
12:10<alecjw>valdyn: can you recommend a good guide to getting started? like setting up my POP account etc?
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12:11<satish>i hav formatted the pen drive put fat16 file system and copied the contents of image and used lilo is there somethin else i hav not done?
12:11<SynrG>and this is very confusing to the user
12:11<satish>no i am certain i hav set it..
12:11<SynrG>have you ever booted from USB on this system before?
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12:12<satish>i hav no experience of booting from pen drive..
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12:12<valdyn>alecjw: thats for gmail, but whatever you use should work similar
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12:12<SynrG>satish: what does the BIOS actually say? does it exactly identify the device to boot from?
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12:13<alecjw>valdyn: thanks, i'll give it a look :)
12:13<valdyn>alecjw: mutt is a traditional unix tool in that it does mostly not try to do what specialised tools do better
12:13<SynrG>satish: and does your BIOS provide a device manager of some kind? that makes it so much easier if it does
12:13<satish>yes it says the removable media or usb media...
12:13<valdyn>alecjw: contrary to outlook or thunderbird, which try to be the kitchen sink and more
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12:13<SynrG>satish: for example, on an eeepc you would press 'esc' and it would show devices to boot from
12:14<satish>no i dnt think i hav a device manager, or i hav not checked it yet...
12:14<SynrG>that would tell you for sure that at least it's trying the device you asked for.
12:14<satish>yeah i hav a section in bios which says boot device
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12:15<satish>yes i am pretty sure it tries coz i see black screen for a little longer than usual..
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12:15<valdyn>alecjw: but appearantly mutt also has its own facilities to get mail, so you can use that url i posted, or google for the internal feature
12:15<SynrG>then if that fails, we can proceed to figuring out why your image hasn't been written properly. but i'll need to know exactly what you've tried. are you writing the image from a linux system, for instance? or something else?
12:15<satish>i think its not able to find some files from pen drive..
12:15<SynrG>does it show error messages or just ... nothing?
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12:15<valdyn>alecjw: like:
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12:16<satish>nothing, just tries booting(i knw that coz of the prolonged black screen) and then continues with debian..
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12:18<babilen>satish: (could you do me a favour and use proper spelling, it hurts my eyes to read your "coz" "knw" and "hav" -- thank you)
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12:19<allu2>Hello i'm trying to setup webdav server on my debian squeeze server and i'm stuck at point having supposingly apache configured correctly and restarted but still clients cannot connect to it :S
12:20<alecjw>valdyn: wait, so is mutt's main purpose to send or receive mail? because i want something to do both really. i just don't want all the crap in evolution like a calendar and a memo block etc
12:20<satish>i am sorry for ur eyes, i ll keep that in mind next time babilen.
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12:20<allu2>alecjw: alpine?
12:21<babilen>satish: Thank you. :)
12:21<valdyn>alecjw: mutt can do it all, but in the URL i showed you he is using seperate tools for recieving
12:22<satish>babilen: you are welcome :)
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12:22<babilen>alecjw: There are a lot of mail user agents out there. You might be interested in claws. Please note that mutt typically uses external tools for receiving and sending emails. (like getmail and msmtp)
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12:24<JesperKP>might even be better off with just Sylpheed (claws is the extended sylpheed). I do run claws myself and have so for a few years now. Its very stabile and get the job done without munching away all your system resources.
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12:25<babilen>JesperKP: Exactly the reason why i recommend it. I personally use mutt, but claws would probably be my GUI choice. Haven't tried it in some time though.
12:25<valdyn>I prefer sylpheed over claws, its neater
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12:26<alecjw>valdyn, allu2, babilen: i think i'll give alpine or claws a try then, thanks! mutt sounds too specific for me, i just want a general purpose mail client
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12:26<valdyn>alecjw: actually, mutt might have most features and be most general purpose, but its also hardest to configure
12:27<allu2>alecjw: text based or gui?
12:27<alecjw>allu2: text based. i'm trying to scrap the GUI as much as i can because it's so clumsy and cumbersome
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12:27<allu2>ok :)
12:27<babilen>alecjw: You might also want to follow valdyn's suggestion and try sylpheed (on which claws is based) which is supposedly "neater" :)
12:28<SynrG>satish: so ... sorry, i'm a bit busy at work ... it appears somehow you've written the image incorrectly. can you describe precisely what you've tried?
12:28<valdyn>babilen: i really cant describe it better, since all i can complain about claws is that it never felt right
12:28<SynrG>satish: or ... maybe your USB key is just giving you trouble? is it one of those with "U3" software on it?
12:29<satish>no no software i have formatted it with cfdisk
12:29<babilen>alecjw: Ah, you want to text based MUA? mutt or gnus are your only choice in that case IMHO. The choice pretty much depends on your choice of editor. If you are a follower of the cult of vim you want mutt and gnus if you are an acolyte of the church of emacs.
12:29<SynrG>i've taken my U3 key (a sandisk cruzer contour) and run the u3 uninstaller
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12:29<satish>and set bootable flag too...
12:29<SynrG>satish: that doesn't matter. with u3 keys the software is stored in a special place that can't be overwritten
12:29<valdyn>or alpine, but i never tried that one
12:29<alecjw>babilen: i'm a shameless nano user :P
12:29<babilen>valdyn: I know what you mean :)
12:29<SynrG>satish: unless you run special software to remove it.
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12:29<alecjw>i'm too thick to learn to use either vim or emacs
12:29<valdyn>alecjw: then GUI is better for you
12:29<SynrG>satish: which model of USB stick?
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12:30<satish>i have a transcend so it does not have any problems..
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12:30<allu2>babilen: alpine isn't an option for you? :P
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12:30<alecjw>valdyn: hmm, i see
12:31<alecjw>i'm trying out alpine at the moment though, it seems quite easy to set up
12:31<satish>what is hd-media? the image that i have?
12:31<babilen>alecjw: haha, a sheep without a herd. Run "vimtutor" and learn the power of vim! Or run "emacs" and type CTRL-h t
12:31<babilen>allu2: *shrug* never tried or used it.
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12:32<ganeshp>hi all, I wanted to know which adobe flash player to be used on my debian squeeze amd64 desktop - flashplugin-nonfree or 64 bit adobe square player. am using 64 bit adobe square flash player on my desktop.
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12:32<ganeshp>hi all, I wanted to know which adobe flash player to be used on my debian squeeze amd64 desktop - flashplugin-nonfree or 64 bit adobe square player.
12:32<allu2>alecjw: personally i like its interface and that after little learning its quite easy to use, if you try set it up with gmail google helps a lot :)
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12:32<babilen>ganeshp: just install flashplugin-nonfree -- you get exactly the same wrapped in a debian package. Don't forget to run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" once in a while to update it.
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12:33<SynrG>satish: what is the 'hd-media' directory containing installer image material? it is a set of files useful for preparing a USB key
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12:33<SynrG>satish: but not containing the image itself. you get that from a different place
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12:33<SynrG>satish: in hd-media you'll find boot.img.gz. that's used in "the flexible way" at the URL i first cited.
12:34<ganeshp>babilen: thank you. So does this mean the package flashplugin-nonfree will install 64 bit square version on my desktop?
12:34<SynrG>satish: and if just using 'dd' isn't working for you, that's what i'd recommend.
12:34<satish>so i have to get those two files vmlinuz or linux (kernel binary)
12:34<satish> initrd.gz (initial ramdisk image)
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12:34<alecjw>babilen: i'm installing emacs now, gonna give that a try :P all i've ever used emacs for before is M-x dunnet :)
12:34<babilen>ganeshp: yes (see
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12:34<babilen>ganeshp: s/(see//
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12:35<babilen>alecjw: NOOO! try vim! :)
12:35<SynrG>satish: oops, sorry, yes ... "the flexible way" needs vmlinuz and initrd.gz from there, just as the doc says.
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12:35<SynrG>satish: (boot.img.gz is only if you have a netboot or businesscard image, so ignore that)
12:35<ganeshp>thank you babilen.
12:36<satish>k i get it now..
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12:36<satish>and when do i have to mount and unmount?
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12:36<satish>thats a little confusing for me too...
12:37<satish>i mean when i copy these two files surely i have to mount but after copyin do i unmount or keep them mounted?
12:37<SynrG>satish: it's all there in " Adding the installer image"
12:38<SynrG>mount at the beginning of that step and unmount after
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12:38<SynrG>it says so at the end of that section ...
12:38<SynrG>maybe you overlooked it?
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12:39<satish>The partition must not be mounted when starting syslinux.
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12:40<satish>so i have to unmount and format the pen drive or mount it and then format?
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12:41<jhutchins_lt>satish: Until you format it there is no filesystem to mount.
12:41<abcd82>these mutt/claws/sylpheed how well they play along with multiple accounts? also can they support having multiple separated inbox/send folders per account not all in one?
12:41<satish>i have a pre-existing fat-32 partition..
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12:42<SynrG>satish: if your desktop automounts it, yeah, that can be annoying. you'll want to unmount it any time you're dealing with non-filesystem stuff
12:43<SynrG>and this may have screwed up the dd method if that's what you started with
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12:43<satish>oh k!!! my desktop does automount it so i ll unmount it, format it...
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12:44<satish>then again unmount set syslinux
12:44<satish>and then follow
12:44<satish>am i right?
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12:47<aardzhanov>dpkg squeeze
12:47<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.
12:47<babilen>!tell aardzhanov -about msg the bot
12:48<SynrG>satish: well, maybe you want to try the dd method again?
12:48<SynrG>satish: that's by *far* simpler!
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12:52<SynrG>satish: i should have asked the obvious first, but your pen drive is large enough for the image size? :)
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13:09<kruz>^_^ Hello everyone. I'm not sure if I'm asking this question correctly, but I'm trying to find out if Debian (Squeeze) x64 still utilizes /etc/asound.conf
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13:12<kruz>To explain the reason I'm asking, I'm using USB speakers, and I also have a USB headset (teamspeak). When I first installed the OS, I didn't have sound so I assumed the onboard audio was being used and after some searching on the internet I was under the impression that the Logitec USB speakers weren't being detected properly and didn't work under Debian. yesterday when I booted up, my sound was working perfectly, so I assumed it was just
13:12<kruz>that Alsa was using the wrong device.
13:13<cahoot>not alsa - your sound app(s)
13:14<kruz>I went through the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf and changed the index=-2 for the usb audio to 0 so that my USB could get the 0 index, but my headset is taking over as 0. I tried adding the Speaker as the default device under /etc/asound.conf and it is not being used as default
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13:14<babilen>kruz: As far as I understand you: The underlying problem is probably that USB soundcards are not allowed to grab the "0" (i.e. default) index. (See /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf)
13:14<babilen>kruz: Ah, you already found that. :)
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13:15<cahoot>both are snd-usb-audio
13:15<kruz>Yeah I did, and I have now under cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [Headset] 1[Speaker]
13:15<SynrG>and yes, debian does use /etc/asound.conf
13:15<SynrG>but if you have ~/.asoundrc ... that would override the system-wide values, i think
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13:15<kruz>So I added the Speaker to /etc/asound.conf as per the Alsa FAQs but it still doesn't grab the speaker as 0, it grabs the headset
13:15<babilen>kruz: yes, /etc/asound.conf can be used to set the default card (as can ~/.asoundrc) -- The alsa wiki has a long discussion on how to do that.
13:15<SynrG>do you have ~/.asoundrc?
13:16<kruz>I do not have a ~/.asoundrc
13:16<babilen>kruz: I guess I just let you finish talking as you seem to have done all that already ;)
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13:16<kruz>lol, I do my research before asking, I like to be thorough (:
13:16<babilen>kruz: A rare thing these days but much appreciated :)
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13:17<babilen>kruz: So, do you have a ~/.asoundrc in addition to /etc/asound.conf?
13:17<kruz>I felt embarrassed once when I asked a question and it was in the FAQ >.< After that, I look around and see if I can't find the answers myself
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13:17<kruz>No, I do not have an ~/.asoundrc I didn't want to make any conflicts and if I login as a different user, I wanted to make sure the settings were the same system wide
13:18<kruz>is there a syntax checker or anything for the /etc/asound.conf to make sure I didn't make a simple typo or am forgetting a semi colon or something like that?
13:19<babilen>kruz: Do you have a stanza for the headset in /etc/asound.conf?
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13:19<babilen>kruz: I am not aware of that, but #alsa (on freenode) might know about that :-\
13:20<kruz>babilen, I do not. I ignored the headset all together. I just added the "default" speaker that I wanted to be the default. If I unplug the headset to use on my laptop or anything, I didn't want to cause an error. I never unplug the USB speaker. it's too hard to get to the back of the system
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13:20<babilen>kruz: Could you paste "cat /proc/asound/cards" and your /etc/asound.conf to We might be able to spot something.
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13:21<cahoot>since both are snd-usb-audio - the index won't be of much help
13:21<babilen>kruz: But honestly: apart from a misconfiguration I can not think of anything more. I am not really an ALSA guru and you might want to consider asking this in the alsa channel too. :)
13:22<SynrG>oh, there are two usb devices here? that makes it fun
13:22<babilen>SynrG: yeah :)
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13:22<babilen>SynrG: This is "alsa problem debugging 211"
13:23<babilen>kruz: thank you
13:23<cahoot>I suspect pulse audio would be the simplest solution
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13:23<kruz>eewww pulse audio q=
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13:23<kruz>I still have a bad taste in my mouth from when I tried Ubuntu (: pulse was not for me
13:23<SynrG>pulseaudio is a solution that, but for the early rollout by a distro that shall remain nameless before they had worked out the kinks, might not now have a bad name
13:23<kruz>I don't think I've tried jackd.
13:24<SynrG>oh no. you named it :)
13:24<SynrG>that was the botched delivery of an otherwise good idea.
13:24<kruz>Honestly, the simplest solution would be to unplug my headset during boot, but that's kind of silly. I wanted something a little more elegant
13:24<babilen>kruz: Just for completeness: Output of: too
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13:25<babilen>kruz: Understandable
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13:25<cahoot>kruz: qjackctl would allow you to direct to any connected outputdevice
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13:25<cahoot>(and vice versa for inputs)
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13:26<babilen>kruz: I don't spot a mistake so far.
13:27<jhutchins_lt>SynrG: Mandriva did far worse with pulseaudio than Ubuntu did.
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13:28<SynrG>jhutchins_lt: i would say something here about other distros' release policies, but will refrain.
13:28<kruz>Yeah, I used Mandrake a long time ago, and it was pretty easy to install, but I didn't enjoy using it. My favorite distro at the time was slackware and it continued to be until version 8.1, after that... I didn't like the way it was working.
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13:30<babilen>kruz: Nope, I don't see the problem. Please ask in #alsa on freenode, they might have an idea. I would have configured it in exactly the same way and would expect "Speaker" to grab index 0
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13:30<cahoot>babilen: it's the module that gets the index, both devices use the same module
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13:31<kruz>sounds good, thanks for trying guys. Worse case scenario, I just unplug my headset on boot... unfortunately I made the mistake of using a system which had a "software raid" posing as hardware which is not readable by GNU /: so I need windows to get to my TB of backed up data.
13:32<kruz>cahoot, but I defined the one I want in /etc/asound.conf so it should be first
13:32<kruz>I'm not sure how this new version of xchat works, but if it boots me, I'll be back
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13:33<cahoot>kruz: how is alsa to decide which usb device it should set as default if both use snd-usb-audio?
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13:33<babilen>cahoot: "Speaker" vs "Headset"
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13:34<cahoot>in .asoundrc?
13:34<kruz>according to the FAQ on Alsa's wiki site, I should be able to define the card I want it to use by the label in /etc/asound.conf
13:34<cahoot>ok might do
13:34<babilen> → "Note by mschiff"
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13:35<babilen>kruz: Well, I am lurking in the alsa channel and curious what they come up with. May you find the solution soon and good luck!
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13:36<babilen>kruz: You might want to give them the link to the alsa-info script output
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13:37<kruz>i was copying it (:
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13:37<kruz>Thanks again
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13:44<mehdi_>anybody knows how can i make recursive-install with make?
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13:58<kruz>mehdi_, I've never created a recursive makefile myself, but there's an example I found:
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13:59<mehdi_>@kruz have u ever installed enlightenment?
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14:00<Guest108>hi guys, i run debian 6.0. I need that only left button can works (to middle, no right button). I tryt to disable them in /etc/X11/xorg.conf gut I failed.
14:00<Guest108>How the hell i can disable them in xofg.conf?
14:00<babilen>mehdi_: "aptitude install e16" ? (Or backport e17 from sid -- /msg dpkg ssb)
14:00<kruz>mehdi_, I tried, but I didn't really have any luck. I was trying to use it on ArchLinux on my laptop, but Arch Linux was causing some problems. I've never tried on Debian
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14:01<jhutchins_lt>Guest108: Why?
14:02<Guest108>jhujhiti, because i am preparing a wmaker station to run ONLY one application and it must disable right/middle button to avoid pepple modify the configuraton of wmaker
14:02<mehdi_>@babilen i got files from and try to use ./configure after those files were done(libs) i try to make install but it gives error try to make recursive
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14:03<Guest108>to play in wkaker configuratio in not enoug to disable right mous acrivity at 100%
14:03<deximat>Hey friends, I am having problems with DNS look up delay... :( I was searching the net.. but nothing helps... It is slow as hell when I request a page... but then it loads for a sec.... I hope someone will help... thanks guys
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14:03<babilen>mehdi_: Ask the enligtenment people -- Or backports the plethora of e17 packages from sid. Or just install E16, or use a different window manager.
14:03<babilen>mehdi_: There is also little we can do without seeing said error.
14:04<allure>Hi. All emails for my domain are being rejected. The postconf is here: , the mail.log is here: and the error I get back is here: . Could you guys give me a hand?
14:04<mehdi_>@babilen how am i supposed to install E16? and wat about not seeing error but done the job?
14:05<kruz>Guest108, can you paste your xorg.conf to
14:06<Guest108>no, i am running on live distro now. anyway I alreadi tried to do Option "ButtonMapping" "1 1 1" or "1 9 8 7 6 " but no success.
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14:06<mehdi_>and is the channel for enlightenment isn #e?
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14:07<kruz>Guest108, that's where I was going with that.
14:07<jhutchins_lt>mehdi_: Your error is not a debian error. People often use the initial letter of an obvious channel name.
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14:07<mehdi_>well xchat is alittle bit complicated to me :D
14:07<Guest108>well, Option "ButtonMapping" "1 1 1" or "1 9 8 7 6 " works in X 7.3 (debian 5) but not in X 7.5 (debian 6)
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14:07<jhutchins_lt>Guest108: I believe in the configuration for windowmaker you can set the mouse button actions, so you can disable the configuration there.
14:08<Guest108>jhutchins_lt, yes, but when you go on the dok or on the clip, the right mouse STILL works, hat is the problem.
14:08<Guest108>that is the problem.
14:09<Guest108>btw, I solved creating a dock icon that run a command thati disable mouse at boot of Wmaker, btu i prefere to work in xorg.conf.
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14:09<allure>Hi. All emails for my domain are being rejected. The postconf is here: , the mail.log is here: and the error I get back is here: . Could you guys give me a hand?
14:09<Guest108>in xorg.conf the solution is final.
14:10<Guest108>more elegant
14:11<amphi>Guest108: perhaps you can use xinput for this
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14:12<Guest108>i user command xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2" inside an iconr that run at boot ow wmaker... it works, but is not elegant as to configure a parameter inside xorg.conf
14:13<mehdi_>@jhutchins_lt seems nobody there in senlightenment channel
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14:17<allure>This one should be easy... All emails for my domain are being rejected. The postconf is here: , the mail.log is here: and the error I get back is here: . Could you guys give me a hand?
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14:19<jhutchins_lt>allure: Patience.
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14:19<jhutchins_lt>allure: At least wait for your original question to scroll off-screen.
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14:22<babilen>mehdi_: e16 can be easily installed with "aptitude install e16" but I guess that you really want to use e17 if you want to use enlightenment. E17 is only available in sid and not in squeeze. You can backport it though.
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14:25<jhutchins_lt>mehdi_: It would probably be better to stick with the stable packages if you're not familiar with compiling and fixing source problems.
14:27<mehdi_>@babilen im usin ubuntu and it seems i dont have aptitude and how can i install it?
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14:28<retrospectacus>!sudosmite mehdi_
14:28*dpkg takes a lump of 2x4 to mehdi_ and yells "This is not #ubuntu!!!1!"
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14:29<mehdi_>@retrospectacus i send it in both channel and got answer from here dont get mad
14:30<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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14:32<_44Kbps_>hi people
14:33<_44Kbps_>I have just a question: What FS do you remonendme for a server?
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14:33<_44Kbps_>I try ext4 but I have problems with openvz
14:33<sney`>I guess you mean recommend? I always use JFS. it's never let me down
14:33<sney`>I don't know what kind of requirements openvz has, though.
14:35<_44Kbps_>What advantages have jfs as ext
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14:35<babilen>_44Kbps_: ext4 is a sane choice (jsut like ext3 or jfs) -- you might want to investigate those openvz problems rather than switching filesystems though. (unless openvz really doesn't work with ext4, but then you might want to look at another VM solution)
14:36<dpkg>[jfs] Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Fast and very reliable. Performance has improved significantly since initial release(s). Give it a try!
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14:38<_44Kbps_>ok, thanks
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14:42<kop>_44Kbps_: JFS is good for big files. Especially when it comes to deleting. (But fix your problem, don't work-around it.)
14:44<_44Kbps_>It will be a server with several VM on openvz: mediawiki, testing distros, paquets.....
14:44<_44Kbps_>not for big files
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14:45<_44Kbps_>I think the best now the best option is ext3
14:45<_44Kbps_>and when it supported I can go to ext4
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14:59<allure>jhutchins_lt: is now ok? hehehe =)
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15:01<mehdi_>imlib2 wat is the package for this?
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15:01<jhutchins_lt>allure: How did you configure postfix?
15:02<allure>jhutchins_lt: what do you mean?
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15:02<allure>jhutchins_lt: I followed a guide I found
15:02<allure>jhutchins_lt: this one:
15:02<cthuluh>mehdi_: aptitude search imlib2
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15:03<kop>cthuluh: He's using ubuntu. If you want you can go help him in #ubuntu.
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15:04<cthuluh>oh. funny
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15:07<jhutchins_lt>allure: Possibly line 11 doesn't contain the domain portion of the address you are sending to.
15:07<jhutchins_lt>allure: I think that's it. Try adding just
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15:16<allure>jhutchins_lt: isnt it supposed to be just in the sql db?
15:17<allure>jhutchins_lt: I'll try anyway
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15:19<allure>jhutchins_lt: nope, same error..
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15:20<allure>jhutchins_lt: mail.warn -> Mar 10 17:19:12 gluttony postfix/trivial-rewrite[17285]: warning: do not list domain in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains
15:20<jhutchins_lt>allure: Then I would guess that it's refusing the connection from the relay server for some reason.
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15:21<allure>jhutchins_lt: the connection is made, I can see it in the lgos
15:21<allure>jhutchins_lt: logs*, sorry
15:22<mehdi_>guys wat happed after i done ./configure - make - make install
15:22<sney`>mehdi_: you had a flash of inspiration and realized you needed to ask these questions in #ubuntu
15:22<babilen>mehdi_: Please ask in #ubuntu
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15:22<sney`>because ubuntu is not debian, so even if we did help you, there's a good chance we would be wrong about some things.
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15:23<babilen>As exemplified earlier
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15:24<mehdi_>nobody answer me there it sux
15:25<mehdi_>debian channel rox
15:25<mehdi_>dats y i ak here
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15:26<kruz>mehdi_, it's not the same operating system... it's similar but it's like the difference between 2 different versions of Windows or Mac OS X, the same rules don't apply to all of the OSes
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15:27<mehdi_>well for windows all version is the same and ufortunately i never work with mac
15:27<babilen>mehdi_: Install Debian and enjoy support in here then.
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15:27<babilen>!tell mehdi_ -about ig
15:27<babilen>!tell mehdi_ -about netinstall
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15:28<kruz>net install is so great (:
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15:29<mehdi_>plus debian doesnt have good design :d
15:29<mehdi_>and i think its for pros
15:30<kruz>mehdi_, have you ever tried installing it? the latest GUI installer was just as easy to install
15:30<babilen>mehdi_: Note that E17 is *not* available in Squeeze (Debian stable) -- It is however available in maverick (apt-get install e17) -- May you have a nice day. Install and use Debian before you want support in here again. Thanks.
15:30<babilen>mehdi_: And design basically boils down to your configuration.
15:30<mehdi_>sound im gonna be banned from this channel and i onl c the lxfce live
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15:32<dpkg>1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 10 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. 6) #debian supports only Debian (see <based on debian>)
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15:42<dEhiN>how can I figure out how much ram I should give a vm running debian?
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15:43<dEhiN>I have 2 vms - 1 is a regular installation running x-server
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15:43<dEhiN>the other is a web/database server installation that doesn't run an x-server or graphical environment
15:43<mehdi_>is debian 17DVD?
15:44<devil>mehdi_: google knows.
15:45<daemonkeeper>Depends on the architecure.
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15:45<daemonkeeper>AMD64 is 8 DVDs, but you don't need all of them.
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15:48<sney`>dEhiN: it's tough to estimate but I'd err on the side of more for the db server
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15:49<antonito_elcani>ay al guien de espña
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15:49<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
15:49<antonito_elcani>ese antonio
15:49<antonito_elcani>el soploa poolllas
15:50<gutifarra>tu puta madre la warra esa
15:50<sney`>hais comprado netbooks nuevos?!
15:50<antonito_elcani> yt
15:50<gutifarra>hijo de puta
15:50<sney`>netbooks nuevos con ubuntu, no?
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15:50<antonito_elcani>tus muelas
15:50<sney`>!ops tenemos some lost spaniards again
15:50<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney` complains about: tenemos some lost spaniards again
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16:00<dEhiN>sney`: if my client box has a 6GB swap, do you think 512MB of ram would be enough? For now, I'm the only user; also for my servr, I'm using a 10GB swap, so I'm thinking 384MB of ram would be enough
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16:01<sney`>dEhiN: 6GB of swap is way too big for a single user desktop. for the server it really depends on how big the database(s) are
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16:01<sney`>those amounts of physical memory will probably be ok, but it will depend heavily on what you're doing with them.
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16:02<SynrG>sizing the ram to the swap sounds ... odd
16:02<sney`>yeah, usually it's the other way
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16:03<sney`>I can't really imagine a situation where you'd actually be using 10GB of swap
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16:03<sney`>because in the enterprise applications where you might need that much free memory, you'd have more than enough physical as a matter of course
16:03<dEhiN>sney`: I plan to give more ram eventually but I have to upgrade my host ram first...I have 4GB total for a win7 host and I'm running 2 debian linux guests and a win server 2k8 guest
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16:04<SynrG>the thing to look at is not how much swap it has, but how much it is swapping with the current amount of ram in it ...
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16:04<SynrG>and choose your ram upgrade accordingly
16:04<dEhiN>SynrG: that's true
16:04<sney`>if it were me, I'd probably do 384 for the desktop and 512 for the web/db server
16:05<sney`>but again, that assumes a largeish database, and for all I know you're just running a local install of Wordpress.
16:05<dEhiN>hmm, I guess that makes sense - I'm the only user for the desktop
16:05<SynrG>ideally you size the ram so that the system never, or only very rarely, uses swap
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16:06<dEhiN>well I don't have anything installed on the server yet,but the plan is to put on apache, mysql, and run joomla cms and perhaps wordpress as well
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16:06<dEhiN>for now as I'm setting things up 512mb ram should be enough I think
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16:07<dEhiN>SynrG: that's true, and that's what I want eventually too, but I have the HD space so I just rounded up (a lot!) when sizing my swap partitions
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16:07<dEhiN>6gb and 10gb are probably way too much, but better safe than sorry
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16:09<dEhiN>my win server is going to be my dns server
16:09<dEhiN>so 512mb should be enough for win 2k8 as well
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16:09<dEhiN>so i can probably give my desktop 384mb
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16:19<heinvd>Good evening Everyone
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16:19<heinvd>I hope someone can help me with email authentication on a box im busy setting up
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16:21<heinvd>I am running sendmail and dovecot
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16:41<heinvd>help please....
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16:42<heinvd>setting up ssl/tls encryption when sending emails
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16:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:58<fnmueller>I run a current squeeze installation. To update the system automatically, I have a command in a script that is run daily by cron. It contains the line: (apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade) > /dev/null . If I run the script manually, te system is updated a s wanted. If cron runs the scipt, new packages are downloaded, but they are not installed. I have no idea what generates this behavior. So what am I doing wrong?
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16:59<streuner_>fnmueller: basically you should run updates manually
16:59<streuner_>you have better control then
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17:00<babilen>,info auto-apt
17:00<judd>Package auto-apt (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: package search by file and on-demand package installation tool. Version: 0.3.22; Size: 48.0k; Installed: 232k
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17:00<babilen>might be worth a look ^^^^
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17:00<streuner_>its another issue if you have many other machines
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17:01<fnmueller>streuner_: well, I have a couple of boxes. And so far, I never had trouble with automatic updates. It's not like I use cracy sources. Also, I am interested in why the script works generally , but not if run by cron
17:01<babilen>no, I wasn't thinking about auto-apt ....
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17:02<babilen>,info unattended-upgrades
17:02<judd>Package unattended-upgrades (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: automatic installation of security upgrades. Version: 0.62.2; Size: 28.0k; Installed: 280k
17:02<fnmueller>I can't make any sense of this
17:02<babilen>that's the one :)
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17:03<fnmueller>babilen: as I said, first, I would like to know what my problem is whith this script / the command. I even tried putting the command in crontab directly and it had the same behavior of not installing updates
17:04<babilen>fnmueller: I understand. Just wanted to show an alternative.
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17:44<fnmueller> grrr
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17:48<chomwitt>in debian squeeze trying to install mariadb 5.2(not in official repositories) i get a conflict with mysql-core used by aconandi. what can i do?
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17:55<chomwitt>i've done that.. :-)
17:58<dpkg>MariaDB is a fork of <MySQL>, intended to be a backward compatible drop-in replacement. Not in Debian, RFP in bug #565308; third-party packages are not supported in #debian. #maria on
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20:18<dpkg><Shadowwulf> note to self - note to learn the difference between 8 megs and 8 gig <Shadowwulf> i musta somehow thought i could install debian on 8 meg
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22:20<CyL>Hi folks, I plan on deploying LVM on a bunch of loopback files, so I'd like to know how much extra space to add in each file to keep storage losts at a minimum, due to metadata overhead, and last PE misalignement. I have made some experimentation, and found that reserving extra 512K on each file would allow me to only lose those aditional 512K, is that a magic number or does it varies between different setups?
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22:24<Aleric>My website stopped working... cause seems to be that the mysql database can't be accessed anymore.
22:24<Aleric>It has been so long ago that I did anything with that that I'm clueless on how to trouble shoot this :/
22:25<Aleric>Do I need to have some daemon running in order for mysql used by a php script to work?
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23:01<Aleric>I actually fucking believe that debian deleted my databases :/
23:01<Aleric>It's just gone - mysqld was gone (due to my last upgrade??)... I reinstalled it.. new tables, needed new password... nothing. It's all gone?!
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23:07<ayaka>I put source mirrors in /etc/apt/source.list.d/ but aptitube can't find it
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23:10<ayaka>can't put in /etc/apt/source.list.d/ ?
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23:16<ayaka>can I put source.list in /etc/apt/source.list.d/ ?
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---Logclosed Fri Mar 11 00:00:17 2011