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---Logopened Sat Mar 12 00:00:18 2011
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00:01<kendall>"# cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX" am i supposed to type debian.iso or debian-6.0.0-i386-netinst.iso ?
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00:02<rigved>kendall: what are you trying to achieve? mount?
00:02<kendall>write the live cd on my flash drive
00:03<kendall>i copied the wrong name its supposed to be debian gnome desktop 6 iso or something.... not that that matters
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00:43<jiltdil>m new on bactrack where is the software centre in it?
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00:56<HiTTY>wow 4 hours to get enough installed JUST To get kv irc working
00:56*HiTTY sucks
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01:03<HiTTY>there we go ubuntu repos added gnome-shell installed
01:03<HiTTY>mm maby I am not as rusty as I thought
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01:33<vook>anyone know off hand of a one line command to convert flac 2 ogg ? seems like there should be a way to pipe flac output to oggenc, but everything I'm finding is sort of an excessive script
01:37<vook>eh well, I guess 'flac -d * && oggenc *.wav && rm *.wav works.
01:38<gsimmons>vook: 'oggenc *flac' is usually sufficient.
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01:46<regular>Hello
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01:47<regular>Seems that the polish package.debian.org is down (ftp.pl.debian.org)
01:47<regular>I mean the polish mirror
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01:55<mallards>?
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01:56<mallards>oops
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02:15<mysidux> i dont see Kontact eny window, but before restart x-server i can see it.
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02:21<mysidux> i dont see Kontact eny window, but before restart x-server i can see it.
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03:18<deux>hi everyone
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03:19<deux>could someone explain to me the updates system in debian (as in - is it possible for debian to get new kernels?, new X.org?)
03:19<dEhiN>yest
03:19<dEhiN>*yes
03:19<dEhiN>there is a repository stored on various mirror servers
03:20<dEhiN>and debian uses apt to access these official debian repositories
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03:20<deux>so is there a way to know whether a kernel is coming or not in an update?
03:20<dEhiN>and these repositories will have various updates, depending upon which branches you select
03:20<deux>to the stable branch
03:20<deux>sorry i didn't mention that
03:21<dEhiN>the best way is probably use aptitude - the graphical ui to apt
03:21<dEhiN>either run apt-get update and then aptitude, or aptitude and then hit u to update
03:21<deux>is there a way to know when diff stuff are coming down to stable?
03:22<deux>cause i saw the latest stable kernel is 2.6.37
03:22<deux>could i expect it to come to stable as an update?
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03:22<dEhiN>um, probably via the various mailing lists...you'd want to be on some of the dev or bug mailing lists though, not the regular user lists
03:23<dEhiN>what's the current kernel in stable now?
03:23<deux>2.6.32
03:23<dEhiN>probably, not sure how quickly it will be added in, but if you've got your apt sources set to get stable updates, you'll get it
03:24<gsimmons>deux: Your questions are largely addressed in http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware . Also ask dpkg about overview and squeeze-updates (e.g. /msg dpkg overview).
03:24<dEhiN>are you just asking or is a specific reason you want the 2.6.37 kernel?
03:24<deux>drivers
03:25<dEhiN>if you know the latest kernel has updated drivers that your system needs, you can wait it out, or try getting the kernel sources and compiling and installing it yourself
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03:25<dEhiN>apt will add it to your local repository cache
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03:26<dEhiN>and I believe will also check the kernel version of your compiled kernel against the one through the debian repository
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03:29<deux>thank you
03:29<deux>see ya later
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03:39<AhiTTy>ok now I am on to installing games I ran into a issue with compiz so I found a script to disable it when the a game is running
03:39<AhiTTy>works great but when I try to create a launcher to run the command and the game I get could not create child process in terminal
03:39<AhiTTy>even tho it runs fine when I type it out
03:40<AhiTTy>sail command is "$game ./Apps/UrbanTerror/ioq3-urt"
03:40<AhiTTy>said*
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03:47<bqin>hi all how can I special myself's Sources file when I use apt-rdends?
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03:52<Sydney>hi, everyone
03:52<Sydney>just a silly question...anyone knows about possible corrupt testing images on debian servers?
03:53<Sydney>I mean, I downloaded two different times, with two different means (http and jigdo) the amd64 testing image dvd1...
03:53<Sydney>I burned it 4 times, even with different burners...
03:54<Sydney>and when installing I always get a packages.gz corruption error when installing the base system...
03:54<AhiTTy>I got the same issue
03:54<AhiTTy>I thought it was my burner flaking out
03:54<AhiTTy>shsums match and everything
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03:55<AhiTTy>somthing is bork
03:55<bqin>this is a known bug
03:55<Sydney>well, I tried 2 different burners, but with the same result
03:55<bqin>may be fixed latter
03:55<AhiTTy>grrr why the fk can't the launcher use my $game script
03:55<bqin>you can download stable version
03:55<cahoot>just use a stable netinst and go from there?
03:55<Sydney>ok, I see...so I will get the same error even with the CD version instead of the dvd
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03:57<Sydney>ok, just a question then...if I install a stable release, how might I then switch to the testing...I mean, I suppose it won't be just a matter of changing sources.list
03:58<AhiTTy>I did that
03:58<AhiTTy>I even got k2.6.38rc7 running
03:58<AhiTTy>no fglrx tho
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03:59<AhiTTy>funny I can install a new kernal but I can't make this launcher work right
03:59*AhiTTy fails
03:59<Sydney>the last time I tried to do something like that I ended up with a mess (my fault)...so I would like to know how to do it properly before trying it again...
04:00<AhiTTy>all I did was add the srcs
04:00<AhiTTy>and then updated everything by hand
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04:00<AhiTTy>got gnome-shell 3 from the git even and compiled it
04:01<Sydney>so, you added the sources, then apt-get update...
04:01<AhiTTy>buggy as fuck without fglrx tho
04:01<Sydney>and then in aptitude you manually selected each package? or what?
04:01<AhiTTy>y
04:01<AhiTTy>just updated the ones I was gonna use
04:02<AhiTTy>unstable version is unstable eh
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04:02<Sydney>well, I didn't wanted unstable, I would be happy with testing itself :)
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04:03<zsz>cfgh df
04:03<zsz>gh hgf
04:03<zsz>re yh r rtyrery
04:03<cahoot>Sydney: why would a change och sources; aptitude update/upgrade do?
04:04<cahoot>s/why/why not/
04:04<cahoot>sorry for the typos
04:04<zsz>rt zasrf h
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04:05<Sydney>cahoot, the only time I tried it was a year ago, I had just turned to debian, but the mess I did burn me, so never tried it again :) so, as far as I've understood, it is a matter of changing the sources to testing and then aptitude update and aptitude upgrade
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04:07<cahoot>in principle yes - but I don't know anything about the present state of 'testing'
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04:08<AhiTTy>wow
04:08<AhiTTy>http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/ubundows+8?content=138931
04:08<AhiTTy>read the decript
04:08<AhiTTy>LO
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04:08<AhiTTy>the engrish it burns
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04:09<a_bui>jo
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04:09<Sydney>ok, thanks a lot cahoot...I will start with stable then...precious help, really...
04:09<d_klein>hello
04:09<a_bui>k
04:09<a_bui>ok
04:09<d_klein>lol
04:09<d_klein>lol
04:09<d_klein>lol
04:09<d_klein>lo
04:09<d_klein>l
04:09<d_klein>ol
04:10<d_klein>o
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04:10<a_bui>lets go
04:10<a_bui>hello everybody here ?
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04:11<a_bui>jo
04:11<d_klein>hey
04:11<h_niesse>hey
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04:12<a_bui>jojojojojojojojojo
04:12<a_bui>boringgggg
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04:14<Sydney>ok, thanks again for the help...I'll go try with stable...bye!
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05:46<linux_user>Hi, Sorry if my question was being asked before,.. I've installed linux on my usb,. and I managed to make about 3GB storage for saving my files.. now I've downloaded a driver installer.. and every time I'm trying to install it it says "the free space is 0"
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05:47<SynrG>debian? and what do you mean by a "driver installer"?
05:48<SynrG>bbiaf, making coffee
05:48<linux_user>I meant and a driver for my ATI-Graphics card
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05:55<linux_user>anything,..
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05:57<s_i_m>linux_user, that linux you installed, was it Debian at least?
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05:58<priyesh>is there a way to prioritise network traffic on a debian server? ie. prioritise irssi process over a wget process
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05:59<linux_user>no, but I believe it has been built on debian. I saw debians on the source, as well as there are some deb files there
06:00<s_i_m>priyesh, yes, there are ways to do that. it is called traffic shaping.
06:00<priyesh>s_i_m: any ideas on how to get started with it
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06:00<SynrG>linux_user: you should seek support from the maker of the distro, then.
06:00<linux_user>thanks
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06:01<s_i_m>priyesh, check this site http://lartc.org/
06:02<TIBS01>anyone in japan
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06:02<TIBS01>feel the earthquake
06:03<cahoot>quite a few did I expect
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06:05<TIBS01>hmmmm
06:05<TIBS01>yer
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06:22<GheRivero>Hi! Is there any tool/script/whatever to reconfigure a debian system after being cloned? (I mean, reconfigure hostname, networks, networks devices under udev, regenerate ssh keys,...)
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06:24<SynrG>you mean some way to deploy multiple systems from a single image, automating customization of their identities? i think such things exist ...
06:24<SynrG>maybe FAI?
06:24<SynrG>!tell GheRivero about fai
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06:25<SynrG>i'm not very current on such things, as it's not a problem i've had to solve myself.
06:25<SynrG>so i don't know of any alternatives
06:28<GheRivero>i'll take a look to fai, but it's much more than i need, the cloning issue is already solved, but not the post-reconfiguration
06:30<SynrG>what are you using to clone?
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06:32<SynrG>hmm. there's puppet, maybe?
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06:33<SynrG>http://projects.puppetlabs.com/projects/puppet
06:33<GheRivero>i'm using vmware ui & dd, depending on the environment
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06:35<SynrG>well, just see if someone more skilled has answers. as i said, not really my area :/
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06:36<SynrG>might be a good topic for debian-administration.org or so
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06:41<feriki>algun hispanis
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06:42<GheRivero>sip
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06:48<feriki>ole
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06:50<nevyn>GheRivero: don't clone systems?
06:51<feriki>GheRivero, vmware o virtualbox
06:52<feriki>what is the best?
06:52<GheRivero>desktop: virtualbox
06:53<GheRivero>for servers, vmware
06:53<GheRivero>but looking closely to kvm for next deployment
06:53<nevyn>meh io through vmware's hypervisor still sucks.
06:53<feriki>well thank you
06:54<GheRivero>i totally agree nevyn
06:54<SynrG>lxc?
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06:55<SynrG>depends on what you need :)
06:55<SynrG>for linux-on-linux, lxc is lower overhead.
06:56<nevyn>lower overhead usually also involves less strong encapsulation
06:56<SynrG>yes
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07:16<welbster>Good morning.
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07:39<oxan>am I correct that the binary packages lists are missing from the sid release files ?
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08:00<yhlfh>hello
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08:00<yhlfh>is there anybody know how can i get usb tethering work?
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08:02<yhlfh>i plug in my android device, but i cannot see usb0 with ifconfig -a
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08:03<cahoot>told the android to act as such?
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08:04<cahoot>also.. what version of android IIRC 2.2 is proveds the simple way
08:04<cahoot>meh ... android IIRC 2.2 provides the simple way
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08:05<yhlfh>cahoot: android version is 2.2. already ticked usb tethering on my android device
08:06<cahoot>no signs of recognition in dmesg when you connect the phone?
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08:08<yhlfh>usbcore: registered new interface driver cdc_ether
08:08<yhlfh>usbcore: registered new interface driver rndis_host
08:08<yhlfh>this is what i found in dmesg
08:09<yhlfh>cahoot: does it mean the device is recognised?
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08:11<cahoot>that's seems to be the case here
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08:13<yhlfh>cahoot: what case?
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08:13<cahoot>i e that's the sequence of events in demsg here when connecting the android
08:13<cahoot>dmesg
08:14<yhlfh>so?
08:14<cahoot>hangon I also get: usbcore: registered new interface driver rndis_wlan
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08:16<yhlfh>i didn't get rndis_wlan
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08:19<cahoot>using a debian kernel?
08:20<yhlfh>of course debian kernel
08:20<yhlfh>2.6.32-5-amd64
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08:32<yhlfh>cahoot: how?
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08:45<Mari>hola
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08:50<mal>There's nothing easy about linux is there. Could someone tell me how you access a linux mint 10 help site though this thang I'm using to write this. Thanks.
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08:53<abcd82>!tell mal about mint
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09:29<secreto>HOLA
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09:38<TobiX>Seems the Release file of sid is truncated... InRelease is ok...
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09:40<petemc>it was mentioned in another channel that theres a known issue with the mirrors being worked on
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09:42<TobiX>So it's a known issue. Good to hear :)
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09:48<orjan>I want to setup exim to redirect admin mail to my usermail ( imap/smtp at my isp ). There is an exim setup but I'm not sure which alternative to chose? Hints, docs?
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09:52<babilen>orjan: /etc/aliases
09:52<babilen>orjan: http://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch22.html (for example)
09:52<orjan>hmm that's for redirect?
09:53<orjan>I looked at the exim docs but I think they don't cover the setup that I guess is debian one
09:53<babilen>orjan: something like "root: root@anotherhost.org" works just fine.
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09:54<orjan>ok, but then I guess I have to setup to send to smarthost too?
09:55<orjan>my exin is unconfigured right now
09:56<babilen>orjan: You don't necessarily need a smarthost, but exim needs to be able to send mail in order to send mail, yes. ;)
09:56<orjan>I tried reading the exim docs but there is a lot...
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09:57<orjan>When to use smarthote and when not?
09:57<babilen>orjan: It might be as easy as "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" → Smarthost → Fill in the information + "$EDITOR /etc/aliases" → change "root:" to "root: your_user@whatever_isp.tld"
09:57<orjan>ok will try
09:57<orjan>thanks
09:57<babilen>orjan: Do you have a FQDN, MX record and a static address?
09:58<orjan>no
09:58<babilen>Well, you want a smarthost then :)
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09:59<orjan>ok, thanks
10:00<babilen>no problem, have a nice day
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10:02<orjan>same to you
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10:08<rtra>i can't get the package index for sid_main_bynary-amd64 from http.us.debian.org nor any local mirror. hash sum mismatch. anyone else having this problem?
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10:11<babilen_>rtra: Known problem, the administrators have been depatched and will soon arrive at a mirror near you.
10:11<babilen_>*dispatched :-\
10:12<mkad>Hi
10:12<mkad>are mirrors broken?
10:12<babilen_>yes
10:12<rtra>oh thanks. i got a few hdd error before, i was suspecting the system.
10:12<mkad>rtra, yes I tried couple of mirrors and I cannot download anything
10:12<babilen_>mkad: If you are running sid that is.
10:12<Black_Prince>Ba mirror is also broken
10:13<babilen_>The dinstall run went wrong.
10:13<babilen_> BROKEN: dinstall (unstable+experimental Release files contain only alpha entries) -- be patient
10:13<mkad>babilen, yes I do... sid is best for laptop(desktop)
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10:13<mkad>babilen, especially if You compile something that needs up to date libraries
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10:46<dustball>hy there. i've got a little big problem. i want to install a specific wifi driver. it tries to call "/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build" which apparently doesnt exist (its squeeze). any ideas?
10:47<ompaul>!tell dustball about wifi
10:47<babilen>Which driver is that? (lspci -nn|grep -i network" would be helpful as well)
10:47<ompaul>dustball: is that the way you are trying tin install it?
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10:48<dustball>its a "broadcom BCM43225", that thing has a driverpackage on its website which i would only have to compile but the compilation fails at said command
10:49<babilen>!BCM43225
10:49<dpkg>The Broadcom BCM43225 (PCI-ID 14e4:4357, incorrectly identified as BCM4357 by wlc_hybrid) is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset. For support on Debian systems, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>.
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10:49<heinvd>Good evening Everyone!
10:49<dustball>!brcm80211
10:49<dpkg>brcm80211 is an open source mac80211 driver released by Broadcom, supporting the <BCM4313>, <BCM43224> and <BCM43225> PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. Included as a staging driver in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images for x86. Firmware is required (bcm43xx-0.fw, bcm43xx_hdr-0.fw), ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-brcm80211 package to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211
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10:49<heinvd>a Big Thank you to those who assisted me with getting my mail working on the server....
10:49<babilen>heinvd: Everything done? \o/
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10:50<heinvd>hi babilen, yes, it is all working great, thanks
10:50<babilen>!wl
10:50<dpkg>[wl] Broadcom's <non-free> wireless LAN driver (x86, x86-64 only). Supports BCM4312 LP-PHY (802.11g) and BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) chipsets. Does not support monitor mode. To install, see http://wiki.debian.org/wl . For support of all other Broadcom PCI(-E) chipsets, ask me about <b43>. The BCM4312 is supported by b43 as of Linux 2.6.32, see <bcm4312>. See also <brcm80211>.
10:50<babilen>heinvd: Congratulations :)
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10:51<heinvd>;) Thanks!
10:51<heinvd>My next headache is to get my server PCI Compliant....
10:51<heinvd>im busy patching security now
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10:52<heinvd>I came across something called nuked-klan...
10:52<heinvd>im trying to figure out what it is and why it is on my server... I never installed that...
10:52<babilen>dustball: Please follow the instructions on: http://wiki.debian.org/wl
10:52<dustball>yeah just doing that ^^
10:52<dustball>thaks
10:52<dustball>thanks*
10:53<babilen>dustball: No problem. Ask if you run into problems :)
10:53<heinvd>apparantly it is something to do with cross site scripting...
10:53<dustball>hope not... i'm halfway experienced but mostly with rolling distros, so debian is quite a change for me
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10:54<heinvd>any ideas on how to get it off...
10:54<heinvd>(ill be right back... someone at the door....)
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10:54<babilen>heinvd: http://www.nuked-klan.org/ looks like some kind of CMS
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10:55<babilen>dustball: There are "testing" and "sid" -- But I wouldn't recommend that if you are not fairly skilled with Debian packaging and fixing problems.
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10:59<dustball>okay worked, interface shows up.
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11:00<babilen>dustball: Wonderful. Can you take it from here or do you need some advice/recommendations on how to configure/manage it? (/me recommends wicd)
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11:01<johfel>babilen: If one want to get skilled with Debian packaging and fixing problems, he should run sid - not the other way round... ;-)
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11:02<babilen>johfel: Yes, there is a certain truth in that. Like installing LSF to learn about linux installations. I still wouldn't recommend it to an unskilled person who is not willing to deal with the breakage and who is willing to learn what it takes to deal with it. You also should be comfortable to accept defeat and try again after you've restored from your backups. :)
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11:03<babilen>LFS that is fwiw
11:03<Black_Prince>I installed LFS many times
11:03<Black_Prince>I am doing it right now
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11:19<priyesh>how to I change the line feeds from windows format to debian quickly/
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11:21<gsimmons>dpkg: tell priyesh -about dos2unix
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11:22<babilen>:tell priyesh -about dos2unix
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11:22<babilen>ECHAN :-\
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11:27<jhutchins_lt>LFS gets you into setting compile time options and other stuff we package junkies take for granted.
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11:28<babilen>jhutchins_lt: I can think of other distros that encourage this funroll-loops-mindset
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11:29<jhutchins_lt>Gentoo has the option of tweaking stuff, but it's more of a set-it-and-forget-it scheme.
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11:44<rhys>hi
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11:52<KOJIbKA>How to report bugs in Evolution mail client?
11:53<KOJIbKA>!evolution
11:53<dpkg>Evolution (formerly Ximian Evolution) is an email client and personal information manager for <GNOME>, an <Outlook> clone. Specify "hostname:port" for the SMTP server if using a port other than TCP 25. http://live.gnome.org/Evolution/FAQ http://projects.gnome.org/evolution/ #evolution on irc.gimp.org.
11:54<heinvd>!xss
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12:10<Mixxit>hey guys, which debian releases currently have a maintained security update apt repository?
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12:11<ansgar>Mixxit: stable and oldstable.
12:11<Mixxit>thanks!
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12:16<babilen>Mixxit: (i.e. lenny and squeeze)
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12:30<ff>how to join in a channel
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12:31<ff>can you tell how to join a channel bcs i am young heere
12:31<heinvd>\/
12:31<heinvd>lol
12:32<babilen>!tell ff -about irc tutorial
12:32<heinvd>a forwardslash join #channelname
12:32<babilen>ff: You are looking for "/join #channel" (replace channel with the actual name)
12:32<ff>like this join#aircrack-ng ???
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12:33<heinvd>slash and spaces dude
12:33<heinvd>"/join #aircrack-ng
12:33<heinvd>(without ")
12:33<ff>and about a channel hacking stuff
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12:34<heinvd>study irc first
12:34<heinvd>lol
12:34<babilen>ff: channel hacking stuff?
12:34<ff>yess
12:34<babilen>What do you mean?
12:34<ff>fb passwords man
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12:35<heinvd>kick him admin kick him....
12:35<themill>ff: you're definitely in the wrong place and probably even the wrong network.
12:35<ff>ok ok my mistake
12:35<SynrG>heinvd: btw, you don't need to go to such great lengths to avoid / at the beginning of what you say: just say:
12:35<SynrG>/say /join #blah
12:36<babilen>or use a space as first char?
12:36<heinvd>ah thanks synrg
12:36<ff>and about backtrack whats about
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12:36<babilen>!tell ff -about bt4
12:36<babilen>!tell ff -about bt4 magic
12:36<ff>who knows about it
12:37<heinvd>space does not work
12:37<heinvd>just tried it
12:37<heinvd>lol
12:37<babilen>heinvd: works here™
12:37<ff>who knows about backtrack
12:38<ompaul>ff: the bot dpkg told you about it
12:38<heinvd>wierd...
12:38<ff>pls
12:38<ompaul>ff: you have been told go look at the message from dpkg and then kindly go away when you discover it has nothing to do with here.
12:39<heinvd>Babilen... Happy to report, I have only 43 vulnerabilities on my server.....
12:39<babilen>heinvd: Aren't that like 43 too many?
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12:39<heinvd>(that is according to McAfee Security Scan...
12:39<chomwitt>is there a wheezy iso with kde ?
12:39<dEhiN>lol
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12:40<heinvd>babilen: i need to have it zero before the end of the evening....
12:40<ompaul>heinvd: well happy working on that then
12:40<dEhiN>heinvd: what are the vulnerabilities? ports open and such?
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12:41<SynrG>chomwitt: for that, you just need a wheezy netinst and boot with desktop=kde or some such
12:41<babilen>chomwitt: Sure, there are CD1 images that come with KDE. Note that you can easily install kde regardless of the installation medium you use. It is rather the definition of the "Desktop Task" and the set of packages that is contained on the CDs that make a difference.
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12:41<SynrG>babilen: for wheezy?
12:41<babilen>wheezy!!!
12:41<babilen>no
12:41<SynrG>babilen: i didn't think they prepared those until closer to release time
12:41<heinvd>dEhiN: yes... one that is cracking my head is the Nuked-klan vulnerability
12:41<SynrG>pay attention to the question :)
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12:42<heinvd>I dont find where it is.....
12:42<babilen>SynrG: Sorry, that was a complete brainfuck-autocorrect reply. You are, of course, correct. :)
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12:42<SynrG>babilen: and the exact boot parameter? did i get it right? :)
12:42<sney`>chomwitt: also, wheezy is not really installable right now, or so I've heard. better to install squeeze and upgrade, if you're really set on going to testing this early in the development cycle
12:42<ompaul>chomwitt: you could look here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/
12:42<dEhiN>heinvd: if it's open ports, check out https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2
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12:43<dEhiN>you can scan specific ports as well as the most common service ports
12:43<chomwitt>ompaul: thanks!
12:43<SynrG>ompaul: ah. there's a confusing lack of direct link to those from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
12:43<dEhiN>and any you find open you can then close up
12:43<ompaul>chomwitt: however working and SID are not always the best of friends :) I run SID but then I can get myself out of a hole if I end up in one and if I can't I know some people who can help me ...
12:43<SynrG>leading one to conclude they probably don't exist :p
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12:44<sney`>SynrG: they're automatically generated, right? my conclusion was that they probably don't work
12:45<chomwitt>i was looking in http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ but there was no kde version. (i mean that in the installation startup there was no option for kde , and gnome was installed)
12:45<SynrG>sney`: why single them out for non-inclusion?
12:45<SynrG>sney`: are they any less likely to work than the other wheezy images listed there?
12:45<heinvd>Thanks dEhiN
12:46<chomwitt>SynrG: i'll try also the desktop=kde . thanks
12:46<dEhiN>heinvd: you're welcome
12:46<sney`>SynrG: well, I suppose not. that was just what I took away from that
12:46<SynrG>i'll take this to #debian-boot to inquire, then, and offer to fix it
12:47<ompaul>chomwitt: there is a kde install disk one there ... what other facilities do you need?
12:47<chomwitt>babilen: thanks also for the insight. so i guess by passing early 'dektop=kde' in the installer the 'Desktop task' will change. :-)
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12:49<babilen>chomwitt: yes, exactly. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#pkgsel
12:49<babilen>chomwitt: I would, however, just install a basic system and install kde and the rest afterwards. -- /msg dpkg install kde -- for details.
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12:51<chomwitt>ompaul: where ? (what do you mean by facilities?_
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12:52<chomwitt>babilen: anyway it could be more user frienldy (like i remember from previous installation of mine) to have a installer menu at the start to choose my desktop .
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12:55<kendall>why does one have to use commands to put a live cd image on a flash drive? why cant you just drag and drop?
12:55<babilen>chomwitt: If you take a look at the installation guide I linked, you can see that the businesscard, netinst and DVD images allow you to do just that. (advanced options→alternative desktop environments) -- If you download a CD1 of a certain flavour, such as KDE, LXDE, you are assumed to have taken that decision already.
12:55<sney`>because drag and drop assumes a filesystem operation
12:55<sney`>it'd be pretty neat if you could right-click the image file and tell it to "write to media" though.
12:56<babilen>kendall: That would copy the image *file* to the USB, not write the contents of the image to the USB stick.
12:57<babilen>sney`: Some fancy desktop-magic-environment might even have that implemented already :)
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12:57<sney`>or maybe hold meta as you drag it over the usb stick or something like that. but in any case, it's a job for the DE developers
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12:57<sney`>babilen: I wouldn't be surprised but in my narrow world of xfce and sometimes wmaker, it's still science fiction
12:57<kendall>I see. I knew that for cd's didnt know it help true for flash drives. thank you. :)
12:57<kendall>held* true
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12:58<chomwitt>babilen: i tried the multi-arch netinst , where i a recall corectly there was no that choice.
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13:01<babilen>chomwitt: expert install?
13:01<welbster_>sney, :P
13:02<sney`>welbster_: ?
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13:02<chomwitt>babilen: i'll check again, but i think in expert install there was no such option.
13:03<sney`>it's not at the tasksel screen, is it? it's in the main menu somewhere and you have to look for it
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13:04<sney`>welbster_: if you have a debian question please keep it to the channel. if you want to chat please go somewhere else.
13:05<welbster_>sney, ok
13:05<kendall>how much less buggy is debian compared to ubuntu and linux mint?
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13:07<sney`>kendall: in the case of debian stable, significantly less due to a very anal focus on bug squashing
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13:07<kendall>thank you.
13:07<chomwitt>babilen: i just rechecked in a virtual machine. in multiarch testing image, booting displays a menu with Advance option submenu but that submenu has only leaf choices. Among them expert install.
13:08<marto>hey guys any1 have any idea why i cant Alt+tab
13:08<marto>on my linux
13:09<sney`>marto: please go back to your server list and select "ubuntu servers", then join #ubuntu
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13:14<babilen>chomwitt: Yes, choose expert install and take it from there.
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13:15<babilen>chomwitt: I haven't tried this personally though, but it used to work and is still documented. So, go figure it out :)
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13:17<chomwitt>babilen: sorry.. i am in expert install now..
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13:19<sylar>any one know if liquorix is good/safe?
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13:19<devil>sylar: i would not put money on it
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13:20<jhutchins_lt>!liquorix
13:20<dpkg>Zen is :)(:, or a school of Mahayana Buddhism, or the Zen kernel: a variant of the Linux kernel optimized for desktop systems, including code not present in mainline. Liquorix kernel image packages (http://liquorix.net/) are Zen-based and are not supported in #debian. http://zen-kernel.org/about http://zen-kernel.org/faq-folder/what_is_zen . Not to be confused with <Xen>.
13:20<sney`>sylar: ymmv but I haven't heard any thing specifically bad. I don't know why you'd bother with a 3rd party kernel anyway
13:20<chomwitt>babilen: from the link you gave me unless i pass the desktop=kde option i should not proceed cause in tasksel i cant choose desktop
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13:21<sylar>sney, I had some issues with the current kernel
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13:21<winnie_>hello everyone
13:22<winnie_>i wrote up a bash script that is the longest i've even written before, a bit more than 100 lines
13:22<winnie_>it works as i want it and such, i was wondering if anyone can take a look at it and give me feedback on more effective ways...
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13:23<sylar>sney, and i need undervolting -> phc -> i have 3rd party in anyway :/
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13:23<sylar>I wonder if phc is safe
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13:36<abcd82>winnie_: probably you'l get better luck at #bash channel in irc.freenode.net, there's all about bash, scripts etc.
13:37<winnie_>ah i searched and found it already
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13:37<winnie_>i seem to have gotten one response at least
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13:38<chomwitt>babilen: you're rigth about the netinst and bussiness card. they do have the alt destkop choice in startup. thanks!
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13:42<KOJIbKA>!ocr
13:42<dpkg>ocr is probably (Optical Character Recognition) This is the technology that allows computers to "read" the text from physical objects. It requires a graphical representation of text to interpret. This usually comes from a scanned image. see http://jocr.sourceforge.net/ and http://www.gnu.org/software/ocrad/ocrad.html
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14:00<morou>hi
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14:01<morou>Im trying tochange grub2 to grub but when I installing grub ...os installing gryb2 and i dont know why? I used this tutorial http://www.ubuntu-pomoc.org/grub2-downgrade-do-grub/
14:02<morou>can you help me?? I would like to have grub without any files from grub2
14:02<jhutchins_lt>morou: What release are you running?
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14:03<morou>squeeze stable
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14:03<jhutchins_lt>:grub
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14:04<edbian>I'm looking for a package in the repos that will automatically remove .<program> folders from my home that I don't need anymore. (Specifically folders that correspond to packages that are not installed)
14:04<jhutchins_lt>morou: You shouldn't be following a ubuntu procedure, ubuntu _is_ different. I think what you want is grub-legacy.
14:04<morou>jhutchins_lt:how check it?
14:04<jhutchins_lt>,versions grub-legacy
14:04<judd>Package grub-legacy on i386 -- sid: 0.97-64; squeeze: 0.97-64; wheezy: 0.97-64
14:05<jhutchins_lt>edbian: Does aptitude purge not do that?
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14:05<morou>hmm i will try...one moment
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14:05<edbian>jhutchins_lt, I do not believe so. Lemme check
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14:06<morou>aptitude purge grub2 dont remove it
14:06<morou>nothink remove
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14:07<babilen>morou: grub-legacy should conflict with grub-pc (i.e. grub2) -- Just install it and the grub2 package will be removed. May I ask why you want to perform this?
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14:07<daemonkeeper>jhutchins_lt: It doesn't. I guess edbian means ~/.program folders that applications use to store user specific configuration.
14:07<edbian>daemonkeeper, jhutchins_lt That is exactly what I'm talking about.
14:07<babilen>uh, actually it doesn't. :)
14:07<daemonkeeper>(Luckily)
14:07<morou>babilen: becouse grub-legancy is simplier ... and file are not in few places
14:08<jhutchins_lt>ravenbird: pl?
14:08<babilen>morou: What do you want to achieve?
14:08<ravenbird>Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
14:08<daemonkeeper>I can't think of a program that would cleanup those, edbian. This is way to indeterministic to do it reliable. Therefore you have to do it manually.
14:08<babilen>morou: Basically the only file you should concern yourself with is /etc/default/grub
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14:09<babilen>morou: See info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration for documentation. But go ahead, I'm not forcing you to do anything, but was just curious.
14:09<edbian>daemonkeeper, mmm, yeah, that's a pain too. Sometimes it's really hard to figure out what program a folder might be for. Thanks anyway
14:09<babilen>morou: info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'
14:10<morou>babilen:? i its the command? "info -f grub -n 'simple configuratio'"?
14:10<babilen>morou: yes, exactly
14:10<babilen>morou: err
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14:10<daemonkeeper>edbian: That's exactly the reason why no program tracks those. However you could use atime to determine which folders are orphaned.
14:10<babilen>morou: "info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'"
14:10<edbian>daemonkeeper, How can atime see that? It might just be that the folder hasn't been accessed in a very long time
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14:11<morou>will try...one moment
14:11<daemonkeeper>edbian: right. That should be an indication it is not used anymore, isn't it? ;)
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14:11<babilen>morou: sure, but i'll leave now. Good luck in whatever you decide to do :)
14:11<edbian>daemonkeeper, Better than guessing I suppose. Thanks for the help.
14:11*babilen waves
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14:12<morou>babilen: thaks:)
14:12<daemonkeeper>He left
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14:20<morou>I have one question.... howto in simple way install in debina sqeeze the desktop efects in gnome? I installed fglx driver and xorg-server-video-ati and compiz... but still don have desktop effects after restart... in ubuntu fedora and suse dont have any problem with that
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14:23<edbian>morou, compiz --replace&
14:24<edbian>morou, :)
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14:27<morou>edbian: thats all? I read thah I must manual edit xorg
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14:27<daemonkeeper>These days it should not be necessary even to have a xorg.conf for most use cases.
14:27<dorlan__>buenas
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14:28<sney`>daemonkeeper: yeah, at most a few sections in xorg.conf.d for pesky hardware
14:28<morou>root@navarra:/home/morou# compiz --replac&
14:28<morou>[1] 4537
14:28<morou>root@navarra:/home/morou# compiz (core) - Warn: Unknown option '--replac'
14:28<morou>compiz (core) - Warn: SmcOpenConnection failed: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported
14:28<morou>No protocol specified
14:28-!-morou was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
14:28<dorlan__>como andan por aca
14:28<daemonkeeper>!es
14:28<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:29<morou>sorry
14:29<sney`>morou: you missed the 'e' at the end of replace
14:29<mase>morou 'e' is missing
14:29<mase>arg
14:30<morou>oh ok
14:30<morou>i will try again:)
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14:31<morou>http://paste.debian.net/110499/
14:31<morou>still have error
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14:33<mase>morou running as "normal" loged in userß
14:33<mase>-ß +?
14:33<morou>do it as normal user? ok
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14:35<morou>http://paste.debian.net/110500/
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14:36<mase>morou ok, seems you don't have hardware acceleration yet.
14:36<morou>but was installed ati...... .run
14:37<morou>from ati web and fglx... driver
14:37<mase>morou can you paste your xorg.conf?
14:37<morou>momento:)
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14:38<sney`>morou: you probably need firmware-linux-nonfree as it has some binaries required by all ATI video cards
14:39<mase>morou btw.: you can check if direct rendering is working with "glxinfo" command in the mesa-utils package
14:39<mase>sney` firmware for ati graphics cards? never seen that...
14:39<morou>ehh i dont hace xorg.conf cant find it
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14:40<towo`>xorg.conf is depricated
14:40<towo`>for free drivers not needed
14:40<mase>morou then you can check the xorg log file to see what driver got loaded
14:41-!-mode/#debian [+l 495] by debhelper
14:41<morou>give me a moment i will check
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14:41<towo`>and installing fglrx with the ati-installer is the wrong way
14:43<morou>" No input driver/identifier specified " so how i shoudl installl ati drivers?
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14:43<towo`>input is not the graphicscard
14:44<jhutchins_lt>dpkg: pl
14:44<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
14:44<mase>morou " No input driver/identifier specified " can be ignored i think if keyboard & mouse is working
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14:45<morou>mase: keyb and mouse are working
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14:45<mase>morou what graohics driver got loaded? can you find it in the log?
14:45<morou>im trying now
14:45<jhutchins_lt>!ATI
14:45<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net).
14:45<towo`>the system will never use fglrx, withot a xorg.conf stanza
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14:46<mase>morou seems you need to create an xorg.conf by yourself ;)
14:46<morou>mase: great :/
14:46<towo`>no xorg.conf needed
14:47<morou>uff
14:47<towo`>only a little file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
14:47<morou>what file?
14:47<towo`>and then only the section device for the driver
14:47<towo`>what you want, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-ati.conf for example
14:48<morou>why 20?
14:48<morou>is this importing?
14:48<towo`>no
14:48<morou>:)
14:48<morou>ok how to this section of ati should look like in this file?
14:49<morou>i never do this... in other distro even ubuntu is automaticly
14:49<morou>sorry for my english:)
14:50<towo`>http://paste.debian.net/110501/ <== like this
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14:50<towo`>and you have to prevent radeon from loading, so blacklist the module
14:51<towo`>fglrx will not work, if radeon is loaded by the kernel
14:51<morou>towo: ok i will try...one moment please:)
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14:52<mase>morou what version of debian are you running again?
14:52<morou>6.0
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14:53<mase>ok
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14:53<morou>hmm dont have xor.conf.d in /etc/X11 ...should create this folder?
14:53<towo`>sure
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14:57<morou>towo: ok i done... what next?
14:57<towo`>echo blacklist radeon /etc/modprobe.d/atiblacklist.conf
14:57<towo`>reboot and hope
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14:58<dvs>echo blacklist radeon >> /etc/modprobe.d/atiblacklist.conf
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15:01<mase>whats the better choice for laptop power managing; laptop-mode-tools or pm-utils? (they contradict)
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15:28<mase>since morou never showed up again i guess he completely broke his xorg configuration :D
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15:30<delch>hello everybody, some Russian there ?
15:30<towo`>!ru
15:30<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
15:31<delch>thx
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15:48<amit>hi
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15:48<tux0>amit hello
15:48<Guest411>hello tux
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15:49<Guest411>how you all guys doing here
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15:52<amit1>hi craigevil
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16:18<eva_>heeeeeey
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16:20<mom>where do i find the meaning of the signums?
16:21<tux0>?
16:21<mom>signal numbers
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16:22<davetoo>kill -l
16:22<mom>davetoo: ah ok thanks
16:22<davetoo>/usr/include/signal.h, too
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16:22<davetoo>well
16:23<cthuluh>davetoo: you're davenull's bro, right? :)
16:23<davetoo>heh
16:23<davetoo>no,
16:23<davetoo>I'm a Dave, Too on some BBS I joined a decade ago
16:24<cthuluh>:)
16:24<davetoo>mom: I often get this one wrong at first :) The important header file is actually /usr/include/asm/signal.h
16:24<cthuluh>mom: also, man 7 signal
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16:26<mom>what does the kill command do by default if you dont specify a signal number?
16:26<mom>15?
16:26<mom>cthuluh: thanks
16:26<davetoo>that's what the manpage says, yeah
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16:27<mom>ive just alway done kill -9 when kill didnt work but i never knew why
16:27<mom>makes sense
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16:27<davetoo>That won't always work either :)
16:28<mom>davetoo: oh . . . why, causes memory leaks?
16:28<davetoo>no, if the process is in an uninterruptible sleep (like a hung NFS mount) it won't get/respond to the signal.
16:28<davetoo>I don't know the exact mechanics.
16:29<davetoo>I think :)
16:29<mom>davetoo: oh, what kill command would you use then?
16:29<davetoo>reboot :)
16:29<cthuluh>mom: never use -9
16:30<mom>cthuluh: why not? regular kill didnt work
16:30<davetoo>I may be full of crap, too... it's been a while
16:30<cthuluh>mom: with -9, the process has *no* way to terminate properly
16:30<cthuluh>mom: so it could leave crappy data, files, and so on, behind him
16:30<mom>cthuluh: what should you do after a -15
16:30<cthuluh>it*
16:30<cthuluh>try -1, -2, etc
16:30<davetoo>yeah, but if it's killing your cpu...
16:31<davetoo>sometimes it's the last step before a hardware reset :)
16:31<cthuluh>the only situation when a signal can't kill a process is when this process is in a D state
16:31<cthuluh>in this state, it doesn't consume CPU
16:31<davetoo>Solaris has a way to force a kill but...
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16:32<mom>well i had a gnome media player that froze and there was no bar in top to click on to close so i tried kill normal and then -9 and -9 worked
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16:34<cthuluh>with something like gnome apps, that play a lot with cached data, config files, and such, I'd really never use -9
16:34<mom>cthuluh: so basically you try kill -15 (kill default) kill -1, -2, -3, -4, -5, -6, -7, -8, and then -9
16:35<cthuluh>well, read the description of those signals, but -1 -2 and -3 are enough usually
16:35<Myon>eh, that's not increasing levels of deadlyness, or something
16:35<cthuluh>*if* your process is not in D state
16:35<cthuluh>Myon: right, funny :)
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16:36<cthuluh>mom: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/690415/in-what-order-should-i-send-signals-to-gracefully-shutdown-processes/690631#690631
16:36<mom>well it goes -15,-1,-2,-3,-9
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16:36<mom>then
16:36<mom>ok thanks
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16:39<mom>cthuluh: one guy says to use sigkill one person says not to
16:39<mom>cthuluh: Typically you'd send SIGTERM, the default of kill. It's the default for a reason. Only if a program does not shutdown in a reasonable amount of time should you resort to SIGKILL.
16:40<mom>cthuluh: person 2: Don't send SIGKILL. Ever.
16:40<cthuluh>mom: follow person 2 (lhunath, iirc)
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16:41<sney`>I've been kill -9ing things for years, but only ever on my own personal non-production systems where I was prepared to dig myself out if something broke
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18:03<NV>heiyas all
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18:06<NV>had a bit of fun testing out squeeze in a VM installing on a zfs root, did expert install, all ran well up until installing grub - the installer kindly noted that the grub install failed. a quick reboot afterwards revealed that the grub config wasn't generated. manually mounting and chrooting into the zpool revealed that the /etc/grub.d/10_kfreebsd script was failing, commenting out set -e at the start fixed that particular issue (although a real fix is probably bett
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18:08<NV>i also noted that it installed straight to the zpool, without any sub filesystems created (ie, like zpool/debian - to make snapshotting easier when other data is on the zpool) - and no filesystems for /usr /var and home were made nor did i see an easy way to create additional zfs filesystems within the main zpool - only partitions - although granted i didn't look -that- hard
18:08<NV>anyone else given zfs root a shot on debian6/kfreebsd?
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18:09<adama>dpkg: thanks for the fish
18:09<dpkg>adama: sure thing
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18:17<retrospectacus>mount
18:17<retrospectacus>oops
18:18<retrospectacus>wrong keyboard
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18:33<dharc>hey guys, how can i use gnash?
18:34<retrospectacus>!gnash
18:34<dpkg>Gnash is the GNU <Flash> movie player, developed from GPLFlash and part of the GNU project. The project aims to create a free software player and browser plugin. The browser plugins are packaged for Debian as mozilla-plugin-gnash and konqueror-plugin-gnash. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ #gnash on irc.freenode.net.
18:35<retrospectacus>dharc: install mozilla-plugin-gnash. are you having trouble using gnash?
18:35<dharc>yes, but youtube videos don't run
18:36<dharc>and flash-player is closing my iceweasel every time
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18:37<dharc>sorry guys
18:38<craigevil>dharc: do you have the NoScript extension or AdblockPlus installed? they are known to cause issues with youtube
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18:38<craigevil>might give Minitube a try, no need to use a browser that way
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18:39<retrospectacus>I've never tried it but I think gnash does not work so well with youtube. I use chromium-broswer or youtube-dl which is unfortunately only available for sid atm
18:39<dharc>no, i just have personas and downthemall
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18:48<dharc>and empathy crashes when i try see my friends from webcam
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18:49<induz>hello
18:52<induz>no one here
18:52<induz>Drupal5 or Drupal6 ??? and how
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19:01<jhutchins_lt>!tell induz about ig
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19:02<xerxex>Hi, anyone know how I can mmv a sequence of files?
19:02<jhutchins_lt>dharc: What release are you on?
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19:03<timo>hi
19:04<dharc>squeeze
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19:05<xerxex>I have files ranging between file_{001..999} but I just want to mass move (mmv) files between {001..499}.
19:06<Seppoz>where can i read how to make my own deb package=
19:06<Seppoz>*?
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19:07<jhutchins_lt>dharc: 64?
19:08<dharc>no
19:08<dharc>86
19:08<induz>what is ig??
19:08<dharc>ig?
19:08<retrospectacus>!ig
19:08<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>.
19:08<induz>Drupal5 or Drupal6 ??? and how
19:09<induz>how can i install drupal on Kubuntu
19:09<dharc>i don't know
19:10<retrospectacus>!tell induz about search
19:10<retrospectacus>xerxex: mv file_[0-4]* destination/
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19:10<retrospectacus>!tell induz about kubuntu
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19:13<xerxex>thanks retroscpectacus...you are the man. mmv "file_[001-499]*" folder/ did the trick!
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19:18<retrospectacus>xerxex: you're welcome
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19:22<jhutchins_lt>induz: Sorry, I mixed up Debian and Drupal.
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19:22<jhutchins_lt>induz: Not five unless you specifically need it, 7 is out and they're working on 8.
19:23<jhutchins_lt>induz: You can install the debian packages, or you can just un-tar the files from Drupal. I do the latter and use their update management systems.
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19:31<pranith>hi, i just installed debian squeeze. When i open the Downloads folder it shows a "Personal File Sharing", launch preferences dialog
19:31<pranith>how do I get rid of it?
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22:16<acu>I did not realize that ssh file transfer is 10 times faster than ftp (just a comment)
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22:20<amitz>depends on transfer content, ssh may be compressed.
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23:00<tux0>what is the point of mmv when you have a shell?
23:00<tux0>am I missing something? just read the description about it
23:01<sney>the second sentence would seem to explain it
23:01<sney>I suppose you could script that behaviour but is it really worth it when a tool exists
23:01<sney>also, a lot of people (me) have really bad memories and can't do a lot of scripting without constantly checking the reference
23:02<tux0>well e.g. mmv file.[1-7] is mv file.{1..7} using 'shell scripting'
23:02<tux0>so
23:03<tux0>for something like that it seems rediculous
23:03<sney>This multiple action is performed safely, i.e. without any
23:03<sney> unexpected deletion of files due to collisions of target names with existing filenames or with other target names.
23:03<tux0>is that not what mv -i and maybe other switches/options are for?
23:04<tux0>maybe if you wanted to automate that and not have it be interactive I could understand maybe (never read the entire manpage for mv)
23:04<sney>maybe it handles it without having to ask every time. I've never used it, that's just what it says
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23:07<bigalaska>Quick question about .mov files
23:08<bigalaska>Using Squeeze - mplayer wont play it, xine wont play it, vlc won't play it. All i get is sound when opening a .mov. It's a SVQ-3 codec.
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23:08<Arrowmaster>whats an SVQ-3
23:09<tux0>you might need non-free codecs for that to work (not sure)
23:09<bigalaska>sorenson 3 codec
23:09<bigalaska>yes, i've downloaded w32codecs from multimedia repo
23:09<bigalaska>still doesnt play
23:09<tux0>do you know about debian multimedia?
23:10<bigalaska>what do you mean, the repo?
23:10<tux0>yes
23:10<Arrowmaster>well if you arent using i386, w32codecs doesnt have very much
23:10<tux0>unofficial debian packages
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23:10<bigalaska>yes. i just said i downloaded codecs from there
23:10<bigalaska>and im on a p3
23:11<tux0>are you using their version of mplayer?
23:11<bigalaska>not sure
23:12<tux0>if you want I could try playing the file here if it's a small transfer or you have a clip or something...
23:12<bigalaska>it's a lynda.com tutorial
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23:12<bigalaska>i assume any of the free ones on their site use the same wrapper and codec
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23:13<tux0>ok
23:14<bigalaska>whats the argument to pass to apt in order for it to use the multimedia repository? or is it easier to just remove mplayer, comment out free repo, and install it again?
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23:19<tux0>think it's apt-get --target-release
23:19<tux0>that's fromt he man page
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23:19<bigalaska>Yeah, seems like it's going to use both repos
23:19<tux0>add the repository apt-get update then apt-cache show mplayer
23:19<bigalaska>to install mplayer
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23:20<tux0>to find the --target-release
23:20<sney>iirc debian-multimedia is given a higher priority when you have it enabled, so you should just be able to do a regular update/upgrade and it'll pull in the dmm one instead
23:20<tux0>bigalaska where are those samples the ones on the 'homepage' seem to be in flash
23:20<bigalaska>you recall correctly, sir
23:21-!-mode/#debian [+l 456] by debhelper
23:21<bigalaska>it's a flash player that plays the same .mov files
23:21<tux0>ok
23:21<bigalaska>why the hell does mplayer require mysql-common
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23:23<tux0>heh
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23:23<tux0>feature creep?
23:23<bigalaska>i dunno about this new debian release.
23:23<bigalaska>even on a minimal install, it's a bit bloated
23:24<tux0>apt-get source and customize it :)
23:24<bigalaska>wish i could - not enough experience for that
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23:24<sney>!source recompile
23:24<sney>err.
23:24<sney>!package recompile
23:24<dpkg>1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <apt-get source>.
23:25<sney>and if you screw something up you can always just try again.
23:26<bigalaska>might as well just download and make everything from source
23:26<tux0>shouldn't be too bad since apt-get should take care of all the dependencies for you and most likely all the 'customization' would involve configure options
23:26<bigalaska>thanks for that though, i'll give it a try on my server reinstall
23:27<sney>doing it through dpkg/apt makes it easier to dig yourself out if/when you break something, unless you use something like 'stow' but even then you have to manage your own dependencies
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23:27<tux0>since the package is already made for you which is most of the effort
23:27<bigalaska>OK, reinstalled mplayer and VLC from the multimedia non-free repo.
23:28<bigalaska>Still have the same thing going on - No video, but sound is fine.
23:29<bigalaska>I can transfer a ~12mb file to you tux0 if you want. my upload is kind of slow though
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23:30<aranyerme>anyone know how to specify which volume is affexted by the function keys (dell inspiron)
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23:32<tux0>bigalaska not playing here for me
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23:32<aranyerme>I want to change it so that it affecjts the headphones rather than the master
23:32<bigalaska>yeah screw it
23:33<bigalaska>looks like this laptop is going back to command line only duty.
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23:33<bigalaska>thanks for trying though. i might upload one of the videos to my server box but that's sort of copyright violation shit
23:33<tux0>what does file <file.mov> say?
23:35<bigalaska>ISO media
23:35<bigalaska>quicktime movie.
23:35<tux0>hrm
23:35<bigalaska>but that's just the 'wrapper'
23:35<bigalaska>the real codec is SVQ-3
23:35<tux0>mplayer -really-quiet -ao null -vo null -frames 0 -identify <file.mov>
23:35<bigalaska>strangely enough, it plays fine on whatever i choose in Ubuntu
23:35<tux0>I must have a different file here
23:36<tux0>mplayer says it's h264
23:36<bigalaska>? what file
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23:37<bigalaska>did you download it from the lynda.com site?
23:37<tux0>used the flash file from the homepage on the site for 3dsmax chapter 1 Ithink
23:37<tux0>yes
23:37<bigalaska>yeah they use different codecs sometimes.
23:37<bigalaska>this one's the php/mysql essential training
23:38<bigalaska>im gonna try it with totem
23:38<bigalaska>holy shit, 180MB wtf
23:39<tux0>php with mysql essential training?
23:39<bigalaska>yeah that's the one.
23:39<bigalaska>Why is totem 180mb in packages
23:40<v1rati>How does one get Debian to show Japanese characters?
23:40<bigalaska>ok, i think i found the problem
23:41<bigalaska>There are 2 video streams - one is svq3, and the other is "Codec: png"
23:41<bigalaska>is 'png' what i think it is? just a static image?
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23:43<tux0>website is a little slow on my computer
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23:45<bigalaska>tux0: http://mike.ipfreelytech.net/video/15_01_useraccess.mov it's 2mb
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23:46<tux0>trying
23:46<tux0>999MHz cpu 256MB pc100 ram
23:46<bigalaska>hey im on a p3 700 with 128mb of pcSLowAsShit ram
23:47<bigalaska>and my upload is capped
23:47<agent1>anyone able capture video on vlc debian SQ 6
23:48<agent1>or any alternative way to capture video on debian
23:48<bigalaska>what are you capturing from?
23:48<agent1>just from website
23:49<bigalaska>so a web stream?
23:49<agent1>yes sir thanks
23:49<bigalaska>Do you mean download the file that plays in your browser, or something like a live feed?
23:52<agent1>what i have a presentation odp and i wanna add a video on the presentation i wanna capture that video and make it run with the remote
23:52<agent1>yes i like to download it first
23:53<agent1>i try desktop recorder but kind of buggy
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23:57<tux0>bigalaska ok I will try that file
23:57<tux0>totem requires gnome/gtk files most likely gnomevfs all that needs gtk libs etc.
23:58<bigalaska>ffmpeg apparently has ffdec_svq3 which SHOULD be letting me play this stuff
23:58<tux0>however if mplayer/vlc/xine do not work totem will not it uses those as backends
23:58<bigalaska>yet, latest version, not playing
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23:58<bigalaska>yeah i figured that as much
23:59<tux0>getting the file now
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