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00:18<amakusa>let's say I hace a lua script I wanna test, anyone know of something like appletviewer but for lua that I can use to test it on?
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00:26<retrospectacus>,versions glob2
00:26<judd>Package glob2 on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.3-2; sid:
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00:27<John_Martin>eh, hello, i have a question about Debian regarding DNS
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00:28<Tiff>John_Martin: shame no-one here knows what the question is, or someone might be able to answer it.
00:29<John_Martin>hold on, i'm typing it
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00:29<ender_>hehehehe the response to that has gotten even better from the last time i was here
00:29<John_Martin>when debian makes a DNS request, which is forwarded from my router to my DNS server, debian seems to reject the response it receives from my DNS server
00:30<John_Martin>is this normal behavior?
00:30<astronut>can you be more specific?
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00:30<John_Martin>okay, i'm drawing a flowchart
00:30<astronut>i meant about the rejection not the setup
00:30<retrospectacus>John_Martin why do you think it does hat?
00:30<John_Martin>i'm not sure
00:31<John_Martin>nslookup gave me a clue
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00:31<retrospectacus>I mean, how do you know it does that?
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00:31<John_Martin> "reply from unexpected source:, expected"
00:31<Noturno99>somebody help me about two equals NIC?
00:31<Noturno99>on debian...
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00:31<Noturno99>i'd like to configure a server..
00:31<John_Martin>where .200 is my DNS server, and .1 is my router
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00:32<John_Martin>but when i set the DNS server on the router to a dns server on WAN (e.g. it works fine
00:33<Noturno99>i have two same NIC and i would like to know how can I resolv this?
00:33<astronut>Noturno99: what's wrong with having 2 nics?
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00:33<Noturno99>a conflict: invalid mac address
00:34<astronut>Noturno99: well, that's a violation of sspec
00:34<Noturno99>and just one of them is working
00:34<astronut>i thought you meant two of the same brand
00:34<Noturno99>the same ethernet
00:34<astronut>they're never supposed to be able to have the same mac address, that's supposed to be globaly unique
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00:34<ender_>thank you whoever wrote Debootstrap
00:34<Noturno99>two same network card
00:34<Noturno99>understand me?
00:35<astronut>ender_: ajt
00:35<Noturno99>just one works
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00:35<retrospectacus>Noturno99: put "ifconfig -a " in a pastebin, please
00:35<John_Martin>do you have any other NICs you can use to test?
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00:35<Noturno99>eth0 Link encap:Ethernet Endereço de HW 00:08:54:10:60:32
00:35<Noturno99> inet end.: Bcast: Masc:
00:35<Noturno99> endereço inet6: fe80::208:54ff:fe10:6032/64 Escopo:Link
00:35<Noturno99> UP BROADCASTRUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Métrica:1
00:35<Noturno99> RX packets:15347 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
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00:36<retrospectacus>!tell Noturno99 about paste
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00:37<astronut>ok, i see one
00:37<retrospectacus>it says you have one NIC
00:37<Noturno99>the other interface: eth1, doesn't work fine
00:37<astronut>what kind of hardware is it?
00:37<Noturno99>via rhine III
00:37<astronut>Noturno99: what's your native language?
00:38<Noturno99>sorry my english
00:38<retrospectacus>Noturno99: can you pastebin "lspci -nn"
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00:38<astronut>Noturno99: debian has support channels in a variety of different languages, we're happy to help you here but it may be more efficient to try one for your native language
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00:39<astronut>Noturno99: try (as root) "modprobe via-rhine"
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00:39<astronut>nevermind then
00:40<astronut>did you ever override the mac addresses on those cards?
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00:40<ender_>ok question: once upon a time i disklessly booted debian xeb boxes. now a days i only boot freebsd boxes disklessly. I would like to bootup a new debian squeeze box. The question is, is pxelinux still the best route? Because it kinda sucks that i have to put the kernel on the NFS side with pxelinux. (with bsd for example i only put 1 file on the nfs server side pxeboot and everything else is done in dhcp.conf)
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00:40<Noturno99>and now?
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00:41<Noturno99>modprobe via-rhine... and?
00:41<sney>you know, according to the spec it's one mac address per 'device' not necessarily per NIC.
00:42<Noturno99>the problem is my other board doesn't correctly recognized
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00:43<astronut>Noturno99: is it recognized when the first one isn't in there?
00:43<retrospectacus>Noturno99: and you have seen this error "duplicate HW ADDR " some place?
00:44<Noturno99>where can I find the log file to pastebin for you?
00:44<astronut>where di you see the error?
00:44<retrospectacus>what was the error you mentioned before?
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00:44<astronut>sney: what? no...
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00:45<Noturno99>i saw on start
00:45<retrospectacus>21:33 < Noturno99> a conflict: invalid mac address
00:45<Noturno99>when the system is loading
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00:46<retrospectacus>check in /var/log/syslog or in "dmesg" output
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00:47<astronut>sney: "The recommended approach is for each device associated with a distinct point of attachment to a LAN to
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00:47<astronut>have its own unique MAC address. Typically, therefore, a LAN adapter card (or, e.g., an equivalent chip or
00:47<astronut>set of chips on a motherboard) should have one unique MAC address for each LAN attachment that it can
00:47<astronut>support at a given time.
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00:47<astronut>"each LAN attachment" = each NIC
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00:48<astronut>IEEE 802-2001 9.2.3 (page 22)
00:48<astronut>Noturno99: also /var/log/messages
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00:51<Noturno99>somebody help me?
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00:53<John_Martin>okay so here's a flowchart of my issue:
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00:53<John_Martin>see the problem is that debian doesn't like it when my DNS cache responds directly
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00:54<John_Martin>but when the router NATs the response from the public DNS server debian is okay with that
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00:55<John_Martin>is debian supposed to behave like this?
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00:56<John_Martin>is it some security measure?
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00:59<John_Martin>i'm running debian v6 btw
01:00<John_Martin>probably should have specified that
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01:02<retrospectacus>John_Martin: did you say the response from 0.200 went directly to the debian? If that seems to me an odd behaviour that is perhaps some dns feature debian may disable by default or not support
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01:02<astronut>John_Martin: how are you telling your router to use that?
01:02<astronut>and how are you telling debian to use your router?
01:02<astronut>is the router caching the response or just handing it out via DHCP?
01:02<John_Martin>the router is the DHCP server
01:03<astronut>that's not always the case
01:03<John_Martin>okay, let me eleborate
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01:03<John_Martin>router is DHCP
01:03<John_Martin>debian uses DHCP from the router
01:03<astronut>then debian should be talking directly to your server
01:03<astronut>the router just says "Here's where the dns server is" it doesn't actually handle traffic
01:04<astronut>what does /etc/resolv.conf say? (pastebin)
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01:04<John_Martin>the router specifies that machines should use for DNS
01:04<astronut>that's wrong though
01:04<John_Martin>resolv just has
01:04<astronut>the router generally can't service dns requests
01:04<astronut>that's probably the problem
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01:05<astronut>the DHCP server should pass .200 back to the client
01:05<sney>a lot of off-the-shelf routers have the capacity to proxy dns requests
01:05<astronut>the DNS traffic shouldn't actually go to the router
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01:05<astronut>sney: yes, but he doesn't want to do that with his setup
01:05<John_Martin>sney is correct
01:05<astronut>if he's running a local cache, that's extremely redundant
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01:05<John_Martin>my router proxys responses when they come from WAN
01:05<astronut>and will add ~20-40ms of rtt to each request
01:06<astronut>John_Martin: at the IP level or the DNS level?
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01:06<astronut>sney is talking about the latter
01:06<astronut>that's a seperate issue
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01:06<astronut>a lot of routers can actually do some basic dns caching
01:06<astronut>but they're generally very bad at it
01:06<astronut>because hardware manufacturers suck at writing software
01:06<John_Martin>i'm pretty sure my router doesn't
01:06<astronut>anyway, set your router to hand out .200 on the dhcp lease
01:06<astronut>and you'll be fine
01:06<John_Martin>mm, see that's the problem
01:06<astronut>then the client computers will talk directly to the local cache
01:07<John_Martin>it's a D-Link, and it always hands out as the DNS server
01:07<John_Martin>you cannot change it
01:07<astronut>what's the model number?
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01:08<John_Martin>it really sucks, but i'm not in a position to replace it at the moment
01:08<John_Martin>so yeah, it NATs DNS responses from WAN
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01:08<John_Martin>but not from LAN
01:09<John_Martin>and debian doesn't like it when it receives a response from another server that it didn't ask
01:09<astronut>i think i have a 642 at home
01:09<astronut>let me check
01:09<astronut>it's one of the dlinks
01:09<astronut>should be similar enough
01:09<astronut>home being my parents house
01:09<astronut>hang on
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01:10<John_Martin>so i'm thinking that debian has a security feature to reject responses when they come from the wrong DNS server
01:10<John_Martin>which would make sense, but i need to disable that in my LAN
01:11<astronut>it's not debian per se
01:11<Noturno99>the error: address space colision
01:11<astronut>you should never get that response in the first place
01:11<Noturno99>my network card
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01:11<astronut>anyway, just override the dhcp lease in /etc/dhclient.conf
01:11<astronut>my -524 doesn't have it
01:12<John_Martin>okay i'll take a look
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01:12<John_Martin>oh, it seems i don't have dhclient.conf
01:13<astronut>option domain-name-servers
01:13<astronut>it's in /etc/dhcp3
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01:13<John_Martin>ah k
01:14<ender_>does anyone know where the latest vmlinuz- file that comes with squeez is here:
01:14<John_Martin>found it
01:14<ender_>non-xen that is
01:14<John_Martin>so your suggesting that i manually override the nameserver?
01:14<astronut>John_Martin: ya
01:15<astronut>well, not just override it but override the lease
01:15<astronut>if you change /etc/resolv.conf it'll work, but whenever you refresh your dhcp it'll get overwritten
01:15<astronut>hence the changes where i suggested them
01:15<astronut>i forget the exact syntex
01:15<John_Martin>i see
01:15<astronut>man dhclient.conf is probably smart
01:16<John_Martin>so resolv is written automatically on each lease?
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01:18<John_Martin>i'm not sure specifing the DNS server address in dhclient.conf is really the solution i'm looking for
01:20<astronut>i find it highly unlikely you can convince libc to ignore the source address in dns responses
01:20<astronut>since that's where the code is
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01:20<John_Martin>mm, that's kinda what i want to do
01:21<astronut>not going to happen
01:21<astronut>unless you want to patch the source yourself and nstall your own libc
01:21<Rees>Make sense
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01:22<John_Martin>sure it's not a setting somewhere?
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01:23<astronut>i'm trying to find it in the source, but i highly highly doubt it
01:24<astronut>that's just in violation of so many specs and common sense and a huge security risk that i'm sure it's hardcoded
01:24<John_Martin>lol, windows doesn't have a problem with it
01:24<John_Martin>hah, what could you expect
01:25<John_Martin>so what is this 'libc'?
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01:26<John_Martin>excuse me if i should know - i've been using debian since friday, so still not very knowledgable about linux
01:27<dpkg>from memory, libc is the C runtime library, Linux universe knows glibc (GNU libc) as libc, too. Ask me about <glibc>, <eglibc>. Or, a whopping big collection of libraries that you need if you're going to do anything on your system beyond <init>.
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01:27<sney>there's not really a good human biology analogy for it, but it's really important to the system
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01:28<John_Martin>okay, i understand
01:29<astronut>the check is at the line "/* Are we still talking to whom we want to talk to? */"
01:29<John_Martin>oh nice find
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01:30<astronut>trust me, you do not want to mess around with libc unless you have years and years of linux system programming under your belt
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01:31<John_Martin>yeah that is one hell of an if statement
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01:32<John_Martin>well, thanks for your help guys!
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01:33<ender_>what is the easiest way to get an initrd from an "installed" system, without having an installed system. Aka from an ftp or such. When i disklessly boot the initrd.gz file from*/* they load up into an installer, and debootstrap failed to run the 2nd stage
01:34<ender_>i have no friends with debian :)
01:34<ender_>think cross-arch system install
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01:39<astronut>ender_: you have a debootstrapped system?
01:40<astronut>update-initramfs should generate one
01:40<ender_>i tried to debootstrapped into a folder from freebsd, but i failed on mounting /proc so it wouldnt do second-stage
01:40<ender_>so i did --foreign
01:41<ender_>right now im disklessly booting a debian box but its dropping me into the install screen
01:41<astronut>not amazingly familiar w/ debootstrap/cdebootstrap, sorry
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01:41<ender_>i just swapped out the cdrom initid.gz file with the netboot one
01:41<astronut>that's still the installation one
01:41<ender_>my biggest problem astronut is i dont have a running debian box anywhere haha
01:41<astronut>afaik the initramfs are pretty much system specific
01:41<astronut>since they have a lot of config in them
01:41<ender_>i think i might end up having to install it in vmware and upload the files over my slow home connection
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01:41<astronut>fstabs, paths, etc
01:42<astronut>what are you trying to do?
01:42<astronut>like, end goal?
01:42<ender_>boot a "installed" debian squeeze system, over nfs
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01:42<ender_>if i had a running system on the network i would just cp -Rp / /somewhere else and drop it into the nfs boot dir
01:42<ender_>running squeeze system that is
01:43<astronut>won't the initramfs be specific to your network booting setup anyway?
01:43<ender_>to be honest i dont even know what initramfs is, i assume its the debian stage2 boot code, before booted to the final system stage
01:43<dpkg>initramfs is, like, the new <initrd>. See for Sarge and Etch kernel differences (forward looking as we know it prior to etch's release), or ask me about <initramfs debug>. See also <targeted>.
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01:44<DrSampler>any1 here have experinece with Liquorix kernels?
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01:45<dpkg>Zen is :)(:, or a school of Mahayana Buddhism, or the Zen kernel: a variant of the Linux kernel optimized for desktop systems, including code not present in mainline. Liquorix kernel image packages ( are Zen-based and are not supported in #debian. . Not to be confused with <Xen>.
01:45<ender_>astronut, you motivated me into an idea, im going to just "install" this squeeze onto the 1 harddrive this box happens to have, disklessly, (i have a remote KVM plugged into it) then il just copy the files after my install back to the NFS server, and nuke the local drive
01:45<DrSampler>i compile and install Liquorix 2.6.37-amd64, it generally works but refuses to recognize my usb mouse and keyboard
01:45<DrSampler>no matter what i do
01:45<sney>DrSampler: as dpkg said, liquorix kernels are not supported here. ask the liquorix people.
01:45<dpkg>[initrd] Initial ramdisk, or god's way of punishing you for using a pre-built kernel image... and you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem, see <can't mount root>. A great system for those who understand modules or need/want root in LVM and/or md RAID. . See also <initramfs>, <kp mantra>.
01:46<astronut>John_Martin: by the way, what'd you do that flow chart in?
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01:47<astronut>ender_: initrd is like "the bare minimum of / and /usr to get / and /usr mounted"
01:47<John_Martin>wait, was that some sort of private message you sent me?
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01:47<astronut>no, i jsut said your name
01:47<astronut>so most clients highlight you
01:47<John_Martin>oh i see
01:47<John_Martin>so i can do this:
01:48<astronut>well, yes, if you could spell
01:48<John_Martin>i mean
01:48<astronut>there's no u in my nick
01:48<astronut>no a*
01:50<astronut>ender_: so for example, i run an encrypted filesystem on software raid - both software raid and the encrypted stuff requires libraries beyond what grub can load, they're in that image
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01:50<astronut>it also has my fstab and crypttab so it knows what to mount to get my filesystems, etc, etc
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01:51<ender_>what stage knows enough about the crytpo to ask you for the password and unlock the rest of /*/*
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01:51<astronut>the stuff in the initramfs
01:51<ender_>ah i see
01:51<astronut>as far as i understand it anyway
01:52<astronut>it generally just works(tm) and i don't have to mess with it
01:52<astronut>but for example, you'd probably have an initramfs that points at your nfs server
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01:52<ender_>do you know by chance if shit like ls and vi are in initramfs
01:52<astronut>and has all the networking drivers and stuff to get onto the network (dhclient, etc)
01:53<ender_>because if that was the case in theory with a kernel + initramfs you should have a shell on a booted system that you could do shit with
01:53<astronut>by default, i'd think not - it's mostly boot stuff - but you can put anything you want in it
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01:53<astronut>that's waht the installer image is
01:53<ender_>ooo ok, sweet busybox
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01:55<astronut>ender_: The initramfs is a gzipped cpio archive. At boot time, the kernel unpacks that archive into RAM disk, mounts and uses it as initial root file system. All finding of the root device happens in this early userspace.
01:56<astronut>the stuff to create one is in the initramfs-tools package
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01:56<kendall>The installation guide says: "When the USB stick is inserted, it will be mapped to a device named /dev/sdX, where the “X” is
01:56<kendall>a letter in the range a-z." I'm pretty sure mine is media/GS Drive. Can the installation guide be wrong? (By the way this is part of trying to write a debian live iso image onto the thumb flash drive.)
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01:57<astronut>kendall: /dev/sd* is the block device, media/ is the mount point where the filesystem is exposed
01:57<astronut>ender_: you're probably going to need a custom one, there's a MODULES=netboot option that looks promising
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01:58<ender_>intresting, very intresting
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02:03<astronut>also, i need to stop overcommitting to people in #debian
02:03<astronut>so far i went and read through an IEEE spec to prove a side point about mac addressing and dug into the eglibc source code
02:03<astronut>me thinks it's bedtime
02:04<kendall>ty for tip
02:04<astronut>kendall: run the command 'mount' in a console and look at the output
02:04<astronut>it'll tell you which /dev/sdX is mapped to /media/GS Drive
02:05<astronut>unmount it and write your image to whichever one it said
02:05<jm_>or look in /proc/partitions etc.
02:05<kendall>yeah i did dmesg and couldnt really find it
02:05<astronut>run mount
02:05<astronut>you should se /dev/sdX1 on /media/GS Drive
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02:06<kendall>/dev/sdf1 on /media/GS Drive
02:06<astronut>so /dev/sdf is your usb key
02:07<astronut>umount it and you should be good to keep following the directions
02:07<kendall>k ty
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02:15<kendall>umount was meant to be unmount I take it
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02:20<sney>kendall: 'umount' is the actual command
02:21<kendall>lol glad i thought outloud on that one
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02:33<kendall>and ignore the 1 in dev/sdf1 I assume
02:34<jm_>not for umount no
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02:36<kendall>enough being told im wrong for a night
02:36<kendall>my ego cant take it
02:37<kendall>gnight and ty for the help all
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03:45<Sydney>I am trying to do apt-pinning, but while I understood apt.conf details, I have some problems in understanding the preferences.conf, and, in particular, the PIN numbers...I mean, I read the hierarchy, but I really do not get the point in their practical application...
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04:03<vook>so after a recent dist-upgrade, my gnome desktop now contains the entire contents of $home rather than $home/desktop. ??
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04:16<leonardo_>Buenas noches
04:16<leonardo_>tengo una pregunta para Debian Lenny
04:16<leonardo_>tengo instalado dos placas del mismo modelo que
04:17<leonardo_>obiamente utilizan el mismo modulo
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04:18<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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05:03<seigan>Hi. I have moved mail server to another IP and now it uses only SSL encrypted ports. Server name remains the same (mail.domain.tld). Unfortunatelly Outlooks/Thunderbirds try to download all mails kept on server again. So every mail is duplicated. Is there a way to avoid it? Some people have >4GB mailboxes :(
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05:17<TIBS01>anyone know how to do apache directory listing
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05:30<amitz>G3n3Rall: let's keep the fconversation public
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05:34<ov3rmind>morning :)
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05:39<daemonkeeper>TIBS01: Unless the server is yours, you can't
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06:00<TIBS01>it is my server
06:01<Myon>options +Indexes
06:01<TIBS01>wheres that
06:01<TIBS01>i only wanna list that folder
06:02<Myon>.htaccess, or <Directory> / <Location>
06:02<jm_>it can be set for one directory only if you want
06:02<TIBS01>thats fine
06:03<TIBS01>jm_ how do u make it accessable for one folder
06:03<jm_>TIBS01: see above URL
06:04<TIBS01>file access
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06:04<TIBS01>yeah but i still dont understand how todo it
06:05<TIBS01>someone told me a command before
06:05<TIBS01>to set the folder permissions
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06:08<TIBS01>no one know ?
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06:13<daemonkeeper>TIBS01: Several people pointed you to resources. You still need to read them though.
06:14<TIBS01>ive done it
06:14<TIBS01>dont worry
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06:20<mihkel>Hi. Is there a way to find out how much power my latop uses atm
06:21<jm_>so the answer is : maybe
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06:22<mihkel>I tried powertopo, but I can't see wattage anywhere
06:26<winnie_>hello everyone
06:26<winnie_>for use in a bash script, when wanting to pass a variable to variable say uhm... $var4, what do i need to type if i have say x=4, to use that x as a part of the name?
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06:26<winnie_>$var$x doesnt work
06:26<winnie_>for use in a while loop, alternatives are welcome!
06:27<jm_>winnie_: eval
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06:28<themill>winnie_: #bash on or on this network
06:30<jww>I'm trying to setup a fiber channel connection to a NAS,do you guys have some docs about it ?
06:30<jww>it's to use with debian lenny btw.
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06:42<willemb>Hi. I have bind9 pinned to our internal repository in /etc/apt/preferences. However, apt-cache policy libbind9-50 says it will install the lenny version in stead of ours. The same goes for a couple of other packages. Do I have to pin them all individually?
06:43<willemb>(all of these 'couple' are dependencies for bind9, it seems)
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06:52<Vivek>I have purchased a Microsoft LX 3000 USB head set. I am using Debian Testing. I am not able to make it work.
06:53<if_else>hi guys,I install debian in my wireless is Broadcom Corporation BCM4313
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06:53<nevyn>Vivek: it's just a usb UAC1 class audio device.
06:54<Vivek>nevyn: ok, so how do I get it to work ?
06:54<nevyn>Vivek: plug it in.
06:54<if_else>today I upgrade to sid ,I have loaded the kernel mode b43.
06:54<Vivek>I have already did that.
06:54<if_else>but I don't know how to do next
06:54<nevyn>select it as the output device in pulseaudio or reconfigure alsa to support it.
06:55<jm_>!tell if_else -about bcm4313
06:55<Vivek>nevyn: Can you guide me how to do it via GUI.
06:55<Vivek>nevyn: I am using GNOME.
06:55<nevyn>are you running pulseaudio?
06:55<nevyn>ok. you may need to do some commandline things to diagnose it.
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06:56<Vivek>nevyn: ok
06:56<nevyn>doing things via gui is usually not terribly effective when describing things over IRC
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06:57<jm_>Vivek: check /proc/asound/cards
06:57<nevyn>so first thing first with the headset plugged in run cat /proc/asound/cards
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06:58<Vivek>nevyn,jm_ : ok
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06:58<Vivek>root@zion:~# cat /proc/asound/cards
06:58<Vivek> 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
06:58<Vivek> HDA Intel at 0xdf300000 irq 22
06:58<Vivek> 1 [default ]: USB-Audio - Microsoft LifeChat LX-3000
06:58<Vivek> Microsoft LifeChat LX-3000 at usb-0000:00:1a.7-3.1, full speed
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06:59<nevyn>ok so it works.
06:59<Vivek>Sorry for that.
06:59<nevyn>you didn't need to be root to do that.
07:00<Vivek>But when I turn on Youtube, I get voice from my Laptop speakers and not my headset.
07:00<nevyn>so alsa knows about it.
07:01<Vivek>Now I want the audio output and microphone input to go via my new USB headset, Microphone.
07:02<nevyn>so are you using pulseaudio?
07:02<Vivek>How do I check that ?
07:03<Vivek>lspci ?
07:03<nevyn>open the volume control.
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07:04<nevyn>under ouput devices can you see the headset?
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07:04<nevyn>you probably want to tick it as the default
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07:05<Vivek>ok, I did that.
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07:06<nevyn>do you have a /etc/asound.conf file?
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07:07<Vivek>Disabled the internal audio and chose the Microsoft_Lifechat_LX-3000 as the Audio device.
07:08<nevyn>that won't help
07:08<Vivek>nevyn: There is no /etc/asound.conf file.
07:08<nevyn>because flash audio is special it uses pcm.!default so you need an asound.conf or .asoundrc to make pulse the default pcm.
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07:10<Vivek>nevyn: Can I do that via the alsamixer ?
07:10<nevyn>make your asound.conf like that one.
07:10<Vivek>Using alsamixer I can choose the microsoft one as the default.
07:10<Vivek>After choosing the F6 option.
07:11<nevyn>whatever works for you.
07:11<nevyn>you should make pulse the default audio device.
07:12<Vivek>Will the alsamixer thing work or should I use your conf file ?
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07:13<Vivek>I have already created the /etc/asound.conf file.
07:13<nevyn>making the headset the default pcm device..
07:13<nevyn>will mean no sound in flash if you don't have the headphones plugged in.
07:14<nevyn>pulse will handle changing things over when you plugin and remove the headset
07:14<Vivek>I still have not understood the falsh part a pointer or URL will help.
07:15<Vivek>root@zion:~# ls -l /etc/asound.conf
07:15<Vivek>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 123 Mar 14 16:43 /etc/asound.conf
07:15<Vivek>I hope the ownership and permissions are correct on the file.
07:15<nevyn>that's fine.
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07:16<Vivek>Should I reboot now ?
07:16<nevyn>you will need to restart firefox/iceweasel
07:16<nevyn>you shouldn't need to reboot tho.
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07:17<jm_>don't newer version of flash use pulseaudio properly nowadays?
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07:18<Vivek>I am not getting any audio at all
07:18<nevyn>jm_: not if it's not your default pcm.
07:18<Vivek>In my headset
07:18<nevyn>using pulseaudio correctly for apps just means using alsa correctly
07:19<Vivek>But when I remove my USB headset,I am getting sound.
07:19<jm_>nevyn: ahh
07:19<Vivek>But no sound in the headset yet.
07:19<jm_>need to try this pulse crap to see if I can get sound from flash turd
07:19*nevyn has a resonably essoteric sound config.
07:20<nevyn>3 soundcards (internal, logitech headset, M-Audio Fast track Ultra)
07:20<Vivek>nevyn: What should I do now ?
07:20<nevyn>jack and pulse.
07:20<Vivek>Should I reboot and check ?
07:21<nevyn>Vivek: that shouldn't be nesseccary but won't hurt.
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07:26<Vivek>nevyn: I have rebooted my machine.
07:28<nevyn>and no change?
07:28<Vivek>nevyn: no
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07:28<Vivek>I think I am using alsa and not pulse audio.
07:29<nevyn>so you should see when playing a flash video the playback stream appears in volume control
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07:29<nevyn>waitaminute... have you EVER got audio playing out of your headset
07:29<nevyn>in linux.
07:29<Vivek>I have with non usb headsets.
07:30<nevyn>ok.. "your headset" refers to the usb one
07:30<nevyn>analog stuff isn't a soundcard.
07:30<Vivek>This current headset is a usb one.
07:30<nevyn>yeah a soundcard.
07:30<nevyn>like I said.
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07:31<nevyn>thats why it shows up in /proc/asound/cards
07:31<Vivek>The former one had 2 input pins for output and input.
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07:31<Vivek>What should I do now ?
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07:31<nevyn>Vivek: not a soundcard... plugs into a soundcard.
07:32<nevyn>Vivek: check the volume on the usb headset
07:32<nevyn>use something like alsamixer -c 1
07:32<nevyn>so microsoft name their usb headset "default" unhelpfully.
07:33<nevyn>this is not the same thing as pcm.!default
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07:34<nevyn>tho the names of cards are usually unhelpful.
07:35<nevyn>so if you were to type aplay -d plughw:default /usr/share/sound/* you should hear stuff..
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07:39<Vivek>nevyn: It works now.
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07:39<Vivek>nevyn: alsamixer -c 1 made it work.
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07:40<nevyn>stupid minimum volume defaults.
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07:42<nevyn>Vivek: here's the cards in my laptop
07:43<Vivek>Vivek: ok
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07:49<nevyn>so apparently it's now "normal" in debian that if you want working sound that isn't vanilla alsa (which you want if you've got a couple of cards etc)
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07:50<nevyn>you have to write asound.conf
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07:51<petemc>I had to do a lot of fucking around to get passthru working to my amp
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07:52<nevyn>petemc: the tricky bit was unmuting the IEC954
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07:56<Vivek>nevyn: ok
07:56<Vivek>nevyn: Thanks for your help.
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07:57<nevyn>Vivek: all working?
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08:56<Meesh>hey guys, i've got a problem with setting up my X resolution, mainly because 'gdm3 stop' doesn't work
08:56<Meesh>i get a "Failed to acquire org.gnome.DisplayManager"
08:56<Meesh>anyone know what could be causing this?
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08:57<Meesh>running squeeze by the way...
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08:58<tuxcrafter>hi all
08:58<tuxcrafter>i am searching the path to a usb scanner i attached
08:58<tuxcrafter>to change the grp to scanner
08:59<tuxcrafter>i cant find it in /proc/bus/usb or /dev/usb
08:59<tuxcrafter>what is the path?
08:59<tuxcrafter>Bus 002 Device 002: ID 04c5:11a2 Fujitsu, Ltd
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09:02<jthm> nothin in /proc/bus/usb/002/002?
09:03<tuxcrafter>my /proc/bus/usb is empty
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09:03<jthm>anyway my guess is you want to look at the relevant udev rule
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09:04<tuxcrafter>i tried mount -f usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb it is still empty
09:04<tuxcrafter>it used to work i just forgot the path
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09:06*tuxcrafter is confused
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09:08<tuxcrafter># Fujitsu ScanSnap S1500 | Fujitsu ScanSnap S1500M
09:08<tuxcrafter>ATTRS{idVendor}=="04c5", ATTRS{idProduct}=="11a2", MODE="0664", GROUP="scanner", ENV{libsane_matched}="yes"
09:09<jthm>so it already is group scanner
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09:09<tuxcrafter>hmm i think it works
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09:10<tuxcrafter>debian update changed it
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09:10<tuxcrafter>only scanadf options changed
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09:15<tuxcrafter>its scanning :D
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09:20<themill>!ubuntu-es buques
09:20<dpkg>buques: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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09:30<flosas>awesome XD
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09:31<signis>neeei thunderrd
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09:50<th>does netdev group have another purpose other than for wicd and network manager?
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09:53<SynrG>th: not that i know of
09:54<SynrG>i suppose you could set up wpa_supplicant to make the control socket belong to netdev
09:54<SynrG>that would make it consistent with those other two
09:54<SynrG>(i don't think that's the default though)
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09:58<SynrG>th: wpasupplicant's README.Debian suggests using netdev (but no default conf is provided. you'd have to set that up yourself)
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10:09<th_>SynrG, thanks for the info
10:10<th_>i'll remove myself from netdev group since i don't have wifi, nm, nor wicd
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10:12<tuxcrafter>is there a way to start debian x64 live cd
10:12<tuxcrafter>with ssh enabled
10:12<tuxcrafter>i dont have a keyboard or monitor on this system
10:12<tuxcrafter>i just want to get ssh
10:13<tuxcrafter>i do have serial console
10:14<tuxcrafter>something like ssh=1 sshpassword=debian at the init options?
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10:23<CyL>what is the typical size of a debian installation?
10:23<tuxcrafter>depends on what you install
10:23<tuxcrafter>i can get them at 700MB
10:23<tuxcrafter>with debootstrap
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10:26<CyL>i'w installing it on a vps to be used as an ssh server, and would like to know how much space to reserve for the root directory
10:26<tuxcrafter>CyL: well it depends on what you are going to do with the vps
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10:27<tuxcrafter>you may start at 5G voor root
10:27<CyL>nothing much more complex than this
10:27<tuxcrafter>CyL: logfiles, backups, website data
10:27<tuxcrafter>it all counts
10:28<CyL>the base debian install takes 5G/q
10:28<tuxcrafter>you can check the recommended harddisk sizes
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10:30<SynrG>tuxcrafter: you can verify contents of our prebuilt images by looking at their .packages files to see if they have what you need.
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10:31<SynrG>tuxcrafter: live-config does have a hook, 119-openssh-server, for server setup ... haven't read it yet, so i don't know what it does
10:31<SynrG>tuxcrafter: this question might be more appropriate for #debian-live
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10:32<tuxcrafter>SynrG: ack!
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11:54<leonardo_>Buens dias
11:54<kop>leonardo_: Hello
11:55<kop>leonardo_: If you have a question just ask.
11:55<leonardo_>hace una hora termine de compilar mi kernel en debian lenny y descubro que me olvide de compilar el modulo loopback
11:55<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:56<kop>leonardo_: No worries.
11:56<kop>leonardo_: The default kernel should have the loopback module, if that's what you're asking.
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11:58<leonardo_>what happens is that I compile the kernel and forgot to compile that module
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11:59<leonardo_>and now can not compile that module.
11:59<leonardo_>sorry if you do not understand what I am translating from google translator
12:00<kop>leonardo_: You'll have to tell us what the errors are so we know more.
12:00<kop>leonardo_: You know about make-kpkg?
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12:01<leonardo_>if you use make-kpkg
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12:02<leonardo_>the option to compile the module was
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12:02<leonardo_>make SUBDIRS=/drivers/block/loopback
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12:03<leonardo_>make SUBDIRS=/drivers/block/loop
12:04<leonardo_>scripts/ /drivers/block/loop/Makefile: No existe el fichero o el directorio
12:04<leonardo_>make[1]: *** No hay ninguna regla para construir el objetivo `/drivers/block/loop/Makefile'. Alto.
12:04<leonardo_>make: *** [_module_/drivers/block/loop] Error 2
12:05<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
12:05<leonardo_>this is the error
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12:06<kop>leonardo_: I'm not up on this sort of problem. Sounds like maybe you need to do a "make clean" or some such before it will make.
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12:08<kop>leonardo_: I'd say you need to change the configuration and rebuild the whole kernel. I don't know but I'd bet that make-kpkg can't rebuild just a single module like that.
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12:08<leonardo_>if that's what I first
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12:10<leonardo_>error of make clean
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12:12<jthm>seems he's in the kernel-headers dir - not kernel-src
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12:33<kejope>Hi! :)
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12:33<kejope>Was surprised to not be inundated with chatter upon login. Thought something might be wrong. :>
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12:35<kejope>I am setting up Squeeze in VirtualBox; collecting .debs for stuff I want installed. Starting to research how to put those onto my Squeeze dvd..
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12:45<rudi_s>kejope: Setup netwrok in virtualbox and only use the netinstall cd.
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12:51<kejope>Thanks rudi_s, but I have already gone a long ways along the process, with the standard dvd. Ideally, I want to have a dvd that I can use on multiple computers, without having to redownload lots of .debs.
12:52<rudi_s>Sorry, can't help there, I only use netinstalls.
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12:53<kejope>I just saw that I have 966mb of .debs of stuff that I want in my standard install. I don't think I can fit that onto the standard dvd without digging around to delete stuff I don't want. Maybe I will just use a separate dvd to hold my .debs. :>
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12:54<Flavio>Boa tarde pessoal
12:54<Flavio>alguem entende bem de linux????
12:54<kejope>I don't know about that, but BoA is a cool singer. :)
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12:55<babilen>kejope: You could also consider using a caching daemon for packages, such as apt-cacher-ng, apt-proxy or approx
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12:56<kejope>Thanks, babilen. I did briefly consider some proxy option, which would work very well for all of my computers, but then not so well if I go to someone else's computer.
12:56<babilen>kejope: That helps if the hosts in question are on the same network.
12:56<kejope>Yup. :)
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12:57<babilen>kejope: yeah, exactly. I wasn't aware of your needs, but wanted to mention these tools in case you were unaware of their existence. :)
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12:57<kejope>Yes, I should have mentioned that proxies were out when I spoke up.
12:59<kejope>So far, I think it seems simplest just to have a second dvd with my own .debs. That just means that I will copy them into the target /var/cache/apt/archives after the first boot. I have a script that does the actual installation and tweaking of them.
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13:09<Flavio>I´m problem in dansguardin, I need help
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13:12<retrospectacus>!tell Flavio about ask
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13:13<kejope>"!tell" means "don't tell" right? :>
13:13<retrospectacus>it means pm
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13:15<kejope>Just kidding. A little lame C programmer humor. :)
13:15<retrospectacus>ahhh I just got it
13:15*retrospectacus uses ! for that all the time
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13:25<retrospectacus>I guess it did mean "don't tell" :\
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13:26<daemonkeeper>don't ask, don't tell!
13:27<sney>they repealed that
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13:36<kenon>Can anybody please name a PCI Dual Head graphics card that just works?
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13:37<tux0>kenon have you looked at matrox?
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13:38<sney>kenon: nvidia nvs 200 series
13:38<kenon>I used to use one but I seem to remember it failing when xrandr came out. Of course, that machine was probably running unstable.
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13:38<sney>I can't remember which one is pci, maybe nvs 260?
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13:39<sney>also, any of the pci geforce series will work for dualhead provided they have 2 outputs
13:39<kenon>Okay, thanks, I'll look that one up. Do you know if anybody actually uses it with squeeze?
13:39<kenon>Sney, Thats with the Free driver, right?
13:40<sney>with nouveau? yes, I believe so. you just don't get 3d (but with the NVS series you don't get 3d anyway)
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13:41<sney>it needs a dualhead dongle
13:41<sney>there's a guy who hangs out in here sometimes who uses one, afaik it works fine, he just gripes about the no 3d thing
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13:42<kenon>Well, no 3D is fine for me, thanks.
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13:44<tux0>I think the 'nv' driver supports dual-head to a degree
13:44*jeremyb is trying and failing to grok <>: `cd /etc/apt/sources.list.d && sed -i "s#lenny#squeeze#g" > debian.list`. that will complain about not having input files, right?
13:44<jeremyb>(better place to ask? no public DSA channel, right?)
13:45<sney>I didn't know lenny ever had sources.list.d
13:45<sney>I thought it was always a monolithic sources.list until now (and even still by default)
13:45<sney>that howto seems weird
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13:46<jeremyb>well the sources.list.d could have been created earlier in the page
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13:46<sney>I suppose.
13:46<jeremyb>e.g. during the puppet run
13:46<kenon>jeremyb, That sed command doesn't have input files...
13:46<jeremyb>$ sed -i 's#foo#bar#g' > /dev/null
13:46<jeremyb>sed: no input files
13:46<jeremyb>what are you saying?
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13:47<kejope>kenon: Graphics card that just works for me: nVidia GeForce 8400 GS (rev a1)
13:47<sney>jeremyb: check your messages, that upgrade method is well-tested and works
13:47<kenon>If you specify -i then it needs input files (it'd listen to stdin otherwise - though you probably don't want that here either)
13:47<jeremyb>sney: huh?
13:47<sney>you have a new message from dpkg, our factoid bot.
13:48<jeremyb>sney: i'm not actually trying to upgrade, was just trying to understand the procedure
13:48<kenon>If the file you wish to modify is 'debian.list' then you could remove the '>'
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13:49<sney>jeremyb: well, it's still outdated and could leave you with a broken system, so that sed line isn't the only thing that needs proofreading
13:49<jeremyb>kenon: yes, i know i could remove >. i was trying to give the docs the benefit of the doubt that someone had tried it and it worked
13:49<jeremyb>sney: not if i don't use it! :-)
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13:49<kenon>kejope, I don't think that comes in PCI (not PCI-E)?
13:49<sney>indeed. but if you're checking it over anyway, might as well bundle all of the issues together
13:49<jeremyb>(to be clear I have no plan to do any lenny -> squeeze transitions in the forseeable future)
13:50<kejope>Sorry, that is right, PCI-E. I just did lspci without thinking. :/
13:50<jeremyb>sney: sure. but i wanted to understand it first before submitting corrections
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13:51<kejope>Lenny has source.list.d, which I use. Squeeze also.
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13:51<user_>ad yg singel gag nie??hehe..
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13:52<sney>would the regular sources.list override sources.list.d?
13:52<sney>user_: english here please
13:52<dominick>Hi! I wanted to confirm one thing before downloading the debian CD-1 image. Does it install gnome?
13:52<sney>dominick: yes
13:52<dominick>sney: thanks, because the testing didn't show the option.
13:52<sney>dominick: unless you download one of the CD1 images labelled for a different DE, anyway
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13:53<daemonkeeper>jeremyb: What sney and kenon tell you is, that, when using the -i switch in sed you need to specify a file name to operate on. That said sed -i 's/whate/ever/' is an incomplete command, read the man page. So yes, the wiki is wrong.
13:53<kenon>While I'm in here: this machine drops me into busybox every boot, where I need to manually 'mdadm --assemble --scan; lvm lvchange -ay whatever'. Can anybody think why that might be?
13:53<dominick>sney: I'm downloading debian-6.0.0-i386-CD-1.iso, I guess it's right.
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13:53<sney>dominick: it is, yep!
13:54<jeremyb>daemonkeeper: I'm fairly certain I fully understood that before I raised the question
13:54<kejope>sney: I don't think it is a matter of overriding. I think it is a matter of collecting all versions available from each repository listed, then making available the most recent package version available.
13:55<kejope>Someone more informed may correct my statement.. :>
13:55<sney>kejope: fair enough, but it seems dangerous to have mixed releases available to apt. what if you tried to install something that had been removed for squeeze, and you still had lenny in a sources.list somewhere
13:56<sney>though I suppose the dsa docs are targeted at people who Know What They're Doing (tm)
13:56<kejope>sney: Oh, I agree that releases should not be mixed. That causes headaches. (I know from experimenting)
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13:59<kejope>sney: But mixing releases, strictly speaking, does not break things. The issue is that when you mix releases, apt gets confused about which versions are available to satisfy dependencies. The reasons I say this is that I have on occasion used an unofficial repository for an older system version, because it was all that was available for that one package.
14:00<kejope>sney: Again, in general, mixing releases causes headaches. But I can imagine some individual cases where it is an option that is useful. :)
14:00<sney>kejope: yeah, though even in those cases I prefer to just download the .deb individually and dpkg -i
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14:02*jeremyb hasn't read all of the above, but can't you just do apt pinning? (sney, kejope)
14:03<sney>yeah, so long as you're not going to use synaptic
14:03<kejope>sney: That .deb may still have the dependency issues. It is, after all, the same file available via apt. I agree with you, in that I would usually prefer just to deal with the individual .deb. This is stepping deeper into dependency agony, either way. hehe
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14:04<kejope>jeremyb: Yes, I believe so. I only found out about pinning a few days ago, from a necessity. I hadn't really considered how much I could use it for this kind of situation.
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14:04<jeremyb>huh, synaptic doesn't pin?!
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14:05<SynrG>that's craziness. i was certain it did ...
14:06<kejope>I don't know about synaptic; I use aptitude. I would imagine that synaptic would have to be aware of it at some level, because .... I found out about pinning because I wanted to enable backports. Well, there's the information I have. Whatever little it may mean. :>
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14:08<sney>jeremyb, SynrG it's known to pick and choose which apt.conf directives it will pay attention to
14:08<sney>for instance, default-release goes completely ignored
14:09<SynrG>!dbugs 276655
14:09<dpkg>#276655:M[synaptic] pinning/holding does not work (); Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:03:02 UTC []
14:09<sney>apparently it expects you to set it with a gui option. similar to n-m not wanting to cooperate with interfaces, I suppose
14:09<SynrG>hm. i don't think i can ever recommend synaptic again, now :p
14:10<SynrG>at least not to people who will switch between synaptic and command-line (which is almost unavoidable)
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14:11<kejope>Seems synaptic used to pay attention to apt pinning, but maintainer changed to avoid confusion. Apparently, there is a symlink workaround. Here is the link, but I don't have any personal use for synaptic..
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14:12*jeremyb subscribes to that bug
14:12<jeremyb>weird bug
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14:14<SynrG>jeremyb: and weird idea by the developer as to what the best solution would be :P
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14:15*kejope nods.
14:15<SynrG>"it broke and people were filing bugs against the wrong thing, so I broke it in a way that at least would draw bugs against the right package"
14:15<jeremyb>SynrG: yeah... i'm assuming he's upstream not just the maintainer
14:16<jeremyb>anyway, i'm not planning to loose sleep over it anytime soon!
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14:18<mrcl>hey, I have encountered problem with dns nameserver -bind9. Bellow this link ( ) I have explained whats wrong and how does config files look like. Could anyone give me any adwise how to fix it? thanks :)
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14:33<sney>wow, an apt download slower than 500K/s. something must be wrong with my connection
14:33<abcd82>was reading above, so whats general differences between aptitude hold and pinning in /etc/apt/preferences? result wise looks like same thing
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14:37<abcd82>pinning is more flexible, more options possible, while hold is simple hold, asked a questing and then started to think, sorry :)
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14:56<chugun>hello, i have some problem with /etc/security/limits.conf. i add lines ejabberd hard nofile 65000 and ejabberd soft nofile 60000, and after reboot ulimit -n for ejabberd dont change from default 1024.
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14:56<chugun>how to change limits for ejabberd ?
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15:05<thewanderer1>chugun: maybe it's not using the pam_limits module?
15:06<thewanderer1>btw. it needs to be under ejabberd user, are you sure it runs as the correct user? for example, to bind to certain ports it needs root, so if it starts as root, it doesn't respect these settings (probably)
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15:07<chugun>when i do ulimit -n 60000 ejabberd from root it's work fine
15:07<chugun>and yes ejabberd work under ejabberd user
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15:08<@weasel>chugun: edit /etc/defaults/ejabberd (if sourced) or /etc/init.d/ejabberd?
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15:09<chugun>wasel: i think there is more standart method for change limits for services....
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15:10<chugun>i think it's don't use /etc/pam.d/login. but i dont know wich config it's use...
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15:11<chugun>in /etc/pam.d/login and su i have session required
15:12<chugun>but i think it's use other config...
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15:15<TIBS01>how do i get a free linode
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15:16<sney>make friends with a reseller
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15:17<TIBS01>im joking
15:17<TIBS01>i got my own servers
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15:23<@weasel>chugun: there is not.
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15:30<BoTtLaB>hi all
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15:32<BoTtLaB>I have a problem on my debian and maybe someone could help me =X
15:32<chugun>weasel, there is no standart method for change limits for services?
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15:32<sney>BoTtLaB: you're in the right place, what's the problem
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15:32<BoTtLaB>apt doesn't work after a dist-upgrade, lenny to squeeze
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15:32<BoTtLaB>i have the message "apt:command not found"
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15:33<sney>there is no command 'apt', just apt-get/apt-cache or aptitude
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15:33<BoTtLaB>yes i know, of course i talk about apt-get
15:34<@weasel>chugun: correct.
15:34<@weasel>chugun: well, apart from modifying the init script (or whatever files it includes)
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15:36<BoTtLaB>i tried to install it with dpkg -i but the system doesn't have the dependencies
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15:36<BoTtLaB>i don't know how to fix it
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15:39<ompaul>BoTtLaB: apt-get update are you saying that command does not work?
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15:39<r4co0n>yesterday i decided to give my squeeze/gnome some cool dark theme, provided by default. It looks really nice rn, the only problem i have is some websites with "inferior" css that have e.g. only text-color defined for a textbox, making all i enter illegible. Is there some way of saying iceweasel to not use the os-theme, that would solve the problem...
15:40<BoTtLaB>yes it seems apt-get had been "remove" during the dist-upgrade
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15:40<parabola>how can i install a package with all the ms windows fonts on debian?
15:40<ompaul>BoTtLaB: aptitude upgrade does that work?
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15:41<BoTtLaB>i already tried it =X
15:41<ompaul>parabola: ttf-mscorefonts-installer
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15:41<sney>BoTtLaB: what happens when you try? what's the error?
15:41<BoTtLaB>-su: aptitude: command not found
15:41<r4co0n>aptitude relies on apt, i thought...
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15:41<ompaul>eh BoTtLaB you are running these commands as root?
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15:42<BoTtLaB>yes i use the root environment with su -
15:42<parabola>ompaul: i'm a newbie @ linux, could you hit me up with the entire command?
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15:42<r4co0n>bottlab, do u got a backup u can revert to?
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15:43<ompaul>parabola: aptitude update && aptitude install ttf-mscorefonts-installer
15:43<ompaul>BoTtLaB: did you by any chance stop the upgrade?
15:44<r4co0n>bottlab, if it was only apt being removed u might try downloading the package by hand and installing it via dpkg...
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15:44<parabola>should it work with apt-get?
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15:44<BoTtLaB>@ompaul : no the dist-upgrade finnished very well
15:44<r4co0n>parabola, just as well, yes
15:44<ompaul>parabola: yes apt-get update && apt-get install ttf-mscorefonts-installer
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15:45<ompaul>parabola: have you non free repos enabled?
15:45<BoTtLaB>@r4coon : i tried to install apt-get with dpkg -i but the system needs dependencies
15:45<r4co0n>bottlab, many?
15:45<parabola>Package ttf-mscorefonts-installer is not available, but is referred to by another package.
15:45<ompaul>BoTtLaB: sounds like you got a well broken box
15:45<BoTtLaB>like libstdc++6
15:45<r4co0n>bottlab, dont like saying that, but it seems u broke ur system...
15:45<parabola>ompaul: as i said i have no clue, just tell me how to check it and i will
15:46<ompaul>parabola: what version of debian are you running?
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15:46<r4co0n>bottlab, u can try adding a cd repo to your sources.list and by that satisfy the dependencies, maybe by hand, i never removed apt, dont know...
15:47<ompaul>parabola: please paste the output of this file into cat /etc/apt/sources.list
15:47<ompaul>parabola: the last two commands print it on your screen
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15:47<BoTtLaB>ok i'll try thx
15:47<ompaul>parabola: in a terminal
15:48<parabola>i know, gimme a sec
15:48<r4co0n>sry for repost, but i think this got lost due to the many reconnects: yesterday i decided to give my squeeze/gnome some cool dark theme, provided by default. It looks really nice rn, the only problem i have is some websites with "inferior" css that have e.g. only text-color defined for a textbox, making all i enter illegible. Is there some way of saying iceweasel to not use the os-theme, that would solve the problem...
15:48<parabola>here you are
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15:49<ompaul>parabola: you need to add two words to that line if you want the MS packages so each line should now have "contrib non-free" on the end
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15:49<ompaul>parabola: then you will apt-get update etc ... I did ask you had you the non-free repos enabled that was what I meant
15:49<parabola>kk, tell me
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15:50<Txt-file>is there a way to dual boot windows and debian on a GPT/EFI hard drive?
15:50<ompaul>parabola: use nano as root to edit that file so "su -" and then "nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
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15:51<r4co0n>parabola, u could choose that when installing, think u said "only free software". or u did this self-maintaining install...
15:51<ompaul>parabola: after that:: apt-get update && apt-get install ttf-mscorefonts-installer
15:51<chugun>weasel, maybe limits for services sets in /etc/pam.d/common-session or common-session-noninteractive ?
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15:51<parabola>ompaul: i'm confused, what should i add to sources.list?
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15:52<parabola>you said i must add 2 new lines to it but you havent told me em yet
15:52<ompaul>parabola: I'll stick it in a pastebin in one go for you give me a min
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15:52<ompaul>parabola: no two words at the end of each line please hang on a min
15:52<@weasel>chugun: no.
15:52<parabola>ompaul: can i simply open it by navigating to its folder and edit it with a text edtor as instead?
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15:53<Mixxit>how do i add klogd to automatic startup
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15:54<r4co0n>Txt-file, grub2 seems to support gpt, but there seem to be some people encountering errors and asking for help, google is your friend...
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15:55<ompaul>parabola: yes and no but there you go nano is a text editor
15:55<Txt-file>r4co0n: google isn't my friend because i can't find any info. thats why i ask here
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15:56<parabola>ompaul: k
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15:56<ompaul>parabola: hope it is obvious do that as root
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15:57<Txt-file>and there is a package called grub-efi even after a update-grub2 && grub-install it doesn't boot
15:57<r4co0n>txt-file, train your google foo, maybe this helps?
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15:57<BoTtLaB>ok i fix it downloading all the dependencies needed and install them manually
15:57<parabola>ompaul: can you tell me the nano command again? irssi dont let me scroll up
15:58<ompaul>parabola: do this as root command is in there
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15:58<parabola>ah ok, sorry, i havent noticed the "nano" atthe beggin
15:59<Txt-file>r4co0n: my M$ IE tries to download this file.
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16:00<ompaul>get firefox or something else it works in other browsers
16:00<Txt-file>so i have to use opera
16:00<r4co0n>txt-file, are u using ie5?
16:00<parabola>ompaul: it is asking me to select dos format, mac format, append or bla bla
16:00<parabola>what should i do?
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16:01<BoTtLaB>thx all ! bye
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16:01<Txt-file>r4co0n: win7 with IE8 ... still the same old problems ;)
16:01<ompaul>parabola: you edit that file - you add on the two mystery words (contrib non-free) then you save with CTRL X and so on and so forth
16:02<r4co0n>txt-file, just checked, this page has a doctype, ie is really fail...
16:02<Txt-file>i know
16:02<r4co0n>download it, doesnt matter, no pictures
16:02<kenon>r4co0n, Interesting. IE8 does too. Firefox/Chrome works for me
16:02<parabola>ompaul: i did
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16:02<parabola>ompaul: at the end of it all it is asking me what i said
16:03<r4co0n>i gotta check that myself, switching to winbox
16:03<parabola>ill paste it here, sec
16:03<parabola>File Name to Write: /etc/apt/sources.list
16:03<parabola>^G Get Help M-D DOS Format M-A Append M-B Backup File
16:03<parabola>^C Cancel M-M Mac Format M-P Prepend
16:03<ompaul>parabola: no pastebin
16:03<parabola>a sorry
16:03<kenon>It seems that its a bug: IE doesn't like application/xhtml+xml mime type.
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16:03<parabola>oh mvm
16:04<parabola>just had to hit enter
16:04<Txt-file>kenon: don't debug IE8 ... there are enough linux bugs ;)
16:04<r4co0n>kenon, u r right...
16:04<parabola>ompaul: its downloading, thank you sir
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16:05<parabola>ompaul: do you know anything related to gfx drivers?
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16:05<ompaul>parabola: it is not fair to ask any person directly in a channel you should ask a channel - I do and I don't like them ;-)
16:05<ompaul>parabola: I could be the world expert on sources.list and no nothing about gfx
16:06<parabola>i got an radeon hd 5670 on this computer, however how i am supposed to know if the driver is installed or not on it?
16:06<r4co0n>is there some world expert on iceweasel/firefox online?
16:07<r4co0n>parabola, if u know the package name, do "dpkg -s <package_name/>"
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16:07<ompaul>!tell parabola about radeon
16:07<ompaul>parabola: see the message from the channel bot
16:08<kenon>I hope I'm allowed to repeat this: this machine drops me into busybox every boot, where I need to manually 'mdadm --assemble --scan; lvm lvchange -ay whatever'. Is there some way to make it automatically do that?
16:08<parabola>can't see anything
16:08<parabola>is the bot messed up or?
16:08<ompaul>no you need to alt F2 or alt F3 cos you are using irssi
16:08<ompaul>now I have to go away for a bit
16:09<r4co0n>kenon, i think u should try to get the machine boot up properly, not making ur life with busybox easier...
16:09<kenon>I've tried recreating init. The machine is all up to date squeeze but is formerly lenny.
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16:10<kenon>Well, yes, I meant is there some way to assemble the raid/lvm without dropping to busybox :-P
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16:10<zeromon>my favorite tex editor, Kile, doesn't start properly and show kile(14480)/kdecore (KLibrary) findLibraryInternal: plugins should not have a 'lib' prefix: ""
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16:10<zeromon>how can I fix it?
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16:11<kenon>I've also tried dpkg --reconfigure on mdadm (I think) and tried setting it to 'all' devices required at boot as well as with specific devices.
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16:14<r4co0n>kenon, i werent here when u posted the original problem, maybe try on with a detailed polite report of ur problem, u dont have to subscribe, just write a plaintext(!)-mail to aforementioned address and check out regularily for follow-ups on your topic. One last advice: Choose ur topic carefully... Maybe we will meet there.
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16:20<r4co0n>zeromon, u have used this instance of the editor for a while? or is it a fresh install
16:22<r4co0n>zeromon, u can try by: doing a backup, purging kile and then install it again...
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16:23<r4co0n>zeromon, the backup is for the case of the problem reoccuring. u will loose all ur kile config if u follow my advice...
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16:26<bthylafh>Hi, I'm having a problem with Samba since I upgraded from Debian 5.0 to 6.0. About once a week (usually over the weekend) the shares lose the group permissions. A share will be owned by a numeric group ID instead of by the name assigned. Same thing with ACLs. This is a WinServ '03R2 Active Directory environment.
16:27<bthylafh>Didn't have this problem at all when I was still on 5.0.
16:27<shipship>Hi. is there a way for using truecrypt without being a sudoer?
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16:30<mehdi_>guys if i installed cd 1 of debian does it play mp3 by default or i have to download the plugin?
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17:16<kop>!tell mehdi_ about overview
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17:17<sdfnosf>Hi. I just switched from 'the other distro' and I was wandering could someone help me to get multitouch running on eeepc.
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17:18<kop>sdfnosf: Try the wiki. I think I recall people being referred there. (A lot of people get help with that. If nobody helps now try again later.)
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17:18<sdfnosf>kop, will do that, thanks
17:20<retrospectacus>sdfnosf: there is also a channel here #debian-eeepc. They will probably tell you also to read the wiki
17:20<sdfnosf>retrospectacus, that may help. Thank you.
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17:26<danber>ai alguien
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17:27<danber>me cago en vuestra puta madre
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17:29<PaulP>write on english, а то я по-русски буду писать))
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17:33<Seppoz>whats the propper way of installing tomcat? do i have to install java first?
17:34<streuner__>dpkg, tomcat
17:34<dpkg>Apache Tomcat is a reference implementation of the Java Servlet and JavaServer Pages technologies. Packaged for Debian as tomcat5.5 in Lenny and tomcat6 in Squeeze. #tomcat on See also <mod_jk>.
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17:44<locsmif>Hi all. What would be a good audio/video streaming/hosting server for Debian... is there a popular FOSS suite for this?
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17:45<cusco_>not sure if icecast does video
17:45<OdyX>locsmif: icecast ?
17:45<cusco_>seems that it does
17:45<locsmif>cusco_, OdyX, will have a look :)
17:45<OdyX>otherwise, use youtube /me hidz.
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17:46<OdyX>locsmif: otherwise, plain http...
17:46<cusco_>there is also red5, a java streaming server usinng rtmp, but I would not recommend it unless you *really* need rtmp
17:46<OdyX>locsmif: see as real-world use-case.
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17:47<locsmif>Cool =)
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17:49<locsmif>cusco, you said it seems that icecast supports video, but I don't get that impression from the docs... am I missing something?
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17:51<cusco_>locsmif: I googled 'icecast video'
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17:52<locsmif>cusco_, lol, sorry, touché
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18:00<sexygirl> .-''-''-.
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18:01<sexygirl> : `.( )\ _L__ /( ) |
18:01<sexygirl> \ \( )\\__//( ) |
18:01<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
18:01<sexygirl> \ \ ):`'':( / \
18:01<sexygirl> -_ -.- .'-'` ` . |
18:01<sney>!ops spam.
18:01<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney complains about: spam.
18:01<sexygirl> `. : . ' :
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18:01<sney>beaten to the punch
18:01<RichiH>sney: thanks
18:01<retrospectacus>LoRez indeed
18:01<sney>haha it seems I'm always triggering that
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18:02<cusco_>and I thought I was gonna get some sex.. :p
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18:07<retrospectacus>cusco_, no you didn't :P
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18:07<mercutio22>I recently installed and configured bind9 here. I am getting lots of unkown host messages at my browser. Also, I can ping but not traceroute a destination. Any clues?
18:07<cusco_>can you ping the IP or the dns ?
18:07<cusco_>domain name?
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18:08<mercutio22>I can ping the ip and the domain names
18:09<locsmif>not being able to traceroute seems more like a firewall problem, some kind of ICMP filtering that only allows ping and not TTL exceeded or so.
18:09<mercutio22>locsmif: but I don't even hit the home router
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18:10<mercutio22>I am not using a firewall
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18:10<locsmif>You've run a sniffer at the home router?
18:11<mercutio22>locsmif: no... I am not that versed in networking. What do you proporse?
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18:11<mercutio22>locsmif: something like wireshark?
18:12<locsmif>The machine where you say you can't traceroute, I would pastebin the output of several iptables commands
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18:12<mercutio22>locsmif: I don't have iptables on it
18:12<locsmif>iptables -L -v -n -t filter; iptables -L -v -n -t nat; iptables -L -v -n -t mangle
18:12<locsmif>How do you know?
18:13<locsmif>Maybe I'm outdated
18:13<mercutio22>locsmif: I never installed and configured it.
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18:14<mercutio22>locsmif: I mean I know because I never installed iptables
18:14<locsmif>mercutio22, try opening a console, and trying it
18:14<locsmif>It may be already there.
18:15<mercutio22>locsmif: oh shit yeah I have it
18:15<mercutio22>locsmif: does it come by default?
18:15<locsmif>The command I listed above will generate some output, you could paste that into a pastebin
18:15<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
18:15<locsmif>mercutio22, I don't recall
18:16<locsmif>I think so.
18:16<devil>uh, its a locsmif :)
18:16<locsmif>hi devil :)
18:16<devil>hi locsmif
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18:17<locsmif>devil, I'll join you-know-where so as not to burden this channel with OT =)
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18:19<fjshdfk>I have problem with xorg.conf. As I try X -conf it fails due to some problems with synaptics device I guess (that's what I remember).
18:19<fjshdfk>Any suggestions?
18:19<locsmif>mercutio22, well, that rules out any possible netfilter (firewall) interference.
18:19<locsmif>What do you see when you run traceroute on a host?
18:19<locsmif>Can you do it on an IP?
18:19<mercutio22>locsmif: alright.. I thought I never set a firewall up.
18:20<sney>fjshdfk: sure, go back and get more details
18:21<fjshdfk>sney just as I thought : ) will the output be saved in /var/log/xorg... if I will interrupt the proces with c-c?
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18:21<sney>usually. even if you don't.
18:21<fjshdfk>ok. brb
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18:22<norbert_>hi, Debian stable appears to have a gcalctool as its calculator and the HEX button is not available
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18:23<norbert_>this problem appears to also exist in Ubuntu
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18:27<sney>norbert_: it's fixed in the next version, which is in experimental and can probably be backported.
18:27<locsmif>mercutio22, what kind of gateway is the local gateway?
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18:28<norbert_>sney: ok, thanks; I'm currently compiling 5.30.2 myself, to see if that will fix the problem
18:28<mercutio22>locsmif: its a wireless ap.
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18:29<locsmif>mercutio22, something seems fishy
18:30<sney>!dbugs 578187
18:30<dpkg>DONE:#578187:N[gcalctool] Regression: Hex/dec/bin/oct not accessible via buttons (); Sat, 17 Apr 2010 18:09:01 UTC []
18:30<locsmif>As if the AP is blocking traceroute traffic
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18:30<mercutio22>locsmif: yea..
18:30<mercutio22>locsmif: I probably screwed up
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18:30<mercutio22>when setting up the DNS
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18:32<locsmif>mercutio22, but you set up DNS on the host you're on now, not the AP, correct?
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18:33<locsmif>You may consider saving the Access Point's configuration, downloading it and storing it somewhere, read up on how to restore it to default in case of difficulty, then start experimenting with bridge mode
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18:34<locsmif>Well, if the AP is also your modem, that is
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18:34<locsmif>It's a bit drastic, but it's one way of narrowing down the problem
18:35<locsmif>Get your modem out of router mode and hook up the Debian machine to the net directly
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18:35<locsmif>Because, I can do a successful traceroute for the same host you couldn.
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18:37<melbogia>i have a machine with multiple nics and I am trying to use preseed with " priority=critical interface=auto.." but it doesn't seem to find the nic with the link
18:37<melbogia>anybody know why?
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18:38<rm>I use debian wheezy, and have a third-party repo in my sources.list. That repo provides a number of packages which are already in Debian, but built specifically for my CPU/machine
18:39<rm>thing is, versions in there are older than versions in debian
18:39<rm>how do I set up that for those packages the third-party repo is still preferred?
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18:55<Tiff>dpkg: tell rm about pinning
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18:58<rm>yeah, what I was looking for is pin by origin
18:58<rm>didn't know that existed
19:01<Tiff>rm: there are many ways to pin all documented in: man apt_preferences
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19:23<prahal>hi . How could I run i686 programs on i486 ? I tried qemu-i386 usermode emulation though it fails on fork ... and I cannot register qemu-i386 in binfmt as it is the host architecture
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19:23<abrotman>is it really a 486?
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19:24<prahal>ie I got an panelpc vortex86dx
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19:24<prahal>and ends up with illegal instruction from proprietary programs (thus programs I cannot simply compile for the arch)
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19:26<prahal>by the way is there a mean to detect which instruction is missing ?
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19:29<retrospectacus>sounds crazy. try strace?
19:30<abrotman>not sure it will matter in the end .. a 486 CPU is not a 686
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19:31<prahal>strace show the error illegal instruction @ 0 (0)
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19:31<prahal>after a successful close
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19:31<locsmif>Well, that says nothing
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19:32<locsmif>Depending on how far you want to go, you may want analyze in a debugger
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19:33<prahal>gdb I tried . I did not disasm though
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19:34<prahal>cmovne :) thank you
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19:35<locsmif>But what now?
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19:35<locsmif>You can't get Qemu to run
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19:37<locsmif>And that will probably not be the only instruction that exceeds the 486 instruction set..
19:37<locsmif>You're not going to try to patch all of it by hand, are you? :P
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19:41<prahal>in fact it looks like it is 586 (I thought it could but had doubt since on ubuntu kernel install it told about it behing 486 and not supporting 586) . A bug report telling about this cmovne shows that it is 586 that is not supported and then it is adobe air that is only compatible with 686
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19:42<prahal>not that it changes much . Though as the developer is a AS3 one switching to something else than adobe air might turn out tricky
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19:46<gfroxel>im looking to compile a custom kernel specifically for my netbook but want to test it in a virtual box first. my netbook doesnt isnt powerful enough to run a virtual machine inside of it. is there a way i can set up a virtual machine that will for all purposes work as if its running on different hardware than the host machine?
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19:47<tux0>gfroxel qemu/kvm?
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19:48<gfroxel>tux0: thanks, ill check that out
19:49<jhutchins_lt>gfroxel: Why not just boot the kernel on the laptop? No need for a virtual machine. If you don't like it, boot back to the stock kernel.
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19:51<gfroxel>jhutchins_lt: habit of playing it safe when making big changes
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19:52<jhutchins_lt>That's why new kernels install instead of upgrading.
19:52<juliuspringles>Hi, how do i restart X in squeeze? Firefox/iceweasel periodically freezes my system (mouse still works, nothing else). Alt-sysrq-k takes me to a black screen with the mouse still moving but nothing else. Thanks :)
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19:53<cthuluh>juliuspringles: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace isn't enough?
19:54<juliuspringles>cthuluh, i enabled ctrl-alt-backspace and it gives me the same black screen with a mouse
19:54<gfroxel>juliussprigles: ctrl+alt+f1, 'sudo /etc/init.d/<whatever your display manager is gdm/xdm/icewm...> restart'
19:54<juliuspringles>gfroxel, alright i'll give that a try next time, thanks
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19:55<Vivek>06:54 < Vivek> I have already did that.
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19:56<gfroxel>juliusprigles: although you should probably use top first to check that you dont have a process with a memory leak or something like that
19:56<juliuspringles>gfroxel, yeah that was the first thing i did, nothing out of the ordinary :\
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20:16<Stryker>how do i make my computer recognize the onboard soundcard
20:16<hpvincent>hi all, what is more likely to keep being supported, vserver or openvz ?
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20:23<leandro>hi... I need help configuring my wireless connection
20:24<Stryker>there are 3x as many people in #ubuntu, which is bacically the same, just use freenode
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20:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
20:27<themill>asking a better question will always get a better answer
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20:28<leandro>my card is rtl8187se, but the driver is unstable
20:29<leandro>i tried installing the windows driver with ndiswrapper
20:29<leandro>but it crash with networkmanager
20:29<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8187SE is a 802.11b/g single-chip PCI-E WLAN IC. The vendor driver (rtl8187se, renamed to r8187se at Linux 2.6.33) is included as a staging driver in mainline Linux kernels as of 2.6.29, see
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20:30<leandro>but the connection keeps droping
20:30<grummund_>Hi, can anyone tell me what this means in a Bind zone file:
20:30<grummund_>@ IN NS host
20:30<grummund_> IN MX 0 host
20:31<themill>leandro: that looks like the sort of driver were the newer the kernel is, then better it works.
20:32<cthuluh>grummund_: it declares an authoritative name server and a mail server for a zone
20:32<cthuluh>see the bind admin manual, or whatever it is called
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20:32<abrotman>Bind ARM
20:32<abrotman>leandro: which version of Debian are you using?
20:32<leandro>well... i have a newer separate kernel, but the ndiswrapper does not work there
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20:33<leandro>abrotman: 6.0, with testing repos
20:33<abrotman>6.0 is not testing
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20:34<leandro>oh, yeah... I forgot... 6.0 is the stable
20:34<grummund_>cthuluh: i get the auth ns part, but the mx record looks strange with just a 'blank' where the hostname would normally go
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20:35<bones_was_here>in bind if you leave that blank, it uses whatever the previous line used
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20:35<grummund_>so would be clearer to write "@ IN MX 0 host"
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20:36<bones_was_here>grummund_: yes, and in that case the order of the records doesn't matter
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20:36<grummund_>bones_was_here: thank you. ;)
20:37<leandro>when I scan with iwlist I get some strange output in the terminal
20:37<bones_was_here>grummund_: i tend to take advantage of the 'blank line = ditto' feature (idk what its properly called) just because it forces me to write neater zone files :)
20:38<Stryker>alsamixer gives me this message:cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
20:38<grummund_>bones_was_here: in actuality i wrote this zone file too... but it was some time ago :P
20:38<cthuluh>!tell Stryker -about alsa checklist
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20:54<juliuspringles>alright, so firefox froze my system again. restarting gdm3 gave me the same black screen w/ mouse. nothing strange in htop, cpu and memory usage both low, tried sudo killall xorg & sudo startx, same black screen with mouse
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20:56<dabor_> /server add -4 -auto -ircnet debian
20:57<cthuluh>irssi user spotted!
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21:10<retrospectacus>AgentC, hello
21:11<AgentC>retrospectacus: hi
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21:13<AgentC>retrospectacus: is it allowed to setup a web-irc client for this channel for customers, for free support on linux ?
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21:14<retrospectacus>AgentC: no idea. certainly not if they don't have debian. You could ask #oftc or cthuluh might have something to say about that
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21:14<jadoe>how much disk space does a minimal squeeze installation need?
21:15<retrospectacus>jadoe: about 250M
21:15<jadoe>hm, installation on a 300mb partition failed
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21:15<retrospectacus>hmm. with nothing picked in tasksel?
21:16<jadoe>y, during "installing base system"
21:16<cthuluh>AgentC: if you have customers, *you* should provide them support. that's why they pay you, right?
21:16<jadoe>df said disk was 100% full
21:16<retrospectacus>jadoe: well then, more than 300M
21:16<cthuluh>AgentC: I don't think that the debian community has to help your client in order for you to earn money. unless you give a part of it to SPI, of course...
21:17<AgentC>cthuluh: not that, just to make a link for debian users on my site, even for non-customers
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21:17<cthuluh>only your customers would go to your site....
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21:17<retrospectacus>AgentC: in any case, you cannot *guarantee* support here
21:17<AgentC>cthuluh: but i see, that php chatter suxx ;)
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21:18<AgentC>cthuluh: dunno, there are also free offers by me on my site
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21:18<AgentC>retrospectacus: i know
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21:20<AgentC>cthuluh: i created an irc server specially for internal customer support -> see, but i see, it would be better even to give a textlink like or so... hm?
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21:20<AgentC>cthuluh: in case of debian probs, if they have some
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21:21<cthuluh>dunno. have you read this?
21:21<abrotman>maybe they should call their admin ?
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21:22<retrospectacus>AgentC: it's up to you. Your customers may not like to be sent to this strange place where they get smited and told to RTFM
21:23*abrotman would never send clients to IRC .. they should call me first .. that's what they pay for .. right ?
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21:24<AgentC>cthuluh: i read it now, i understand.
21:25*AgentC forgot webirc for debian channel
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21:27<AgentC>retrospectacus: was just an uncommercial idea... forget it, wouldnt be a good idea
21:27<retrospectacus>!fruitsmite AgentC
21:27*dpkg smites AgentC with a basketful of pineapples
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21:28<AgentC>hmpf ;)
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21:29*AgentC gives a beer to retrospectacus
21:30<retrospectacus>why thank you! I will enjoy this right now.
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21:34<AgentC>what is as dangerous on php system() calls by "sudo /dir/scriptname < /passwordtextfile" ? i saw in apache log massive warnings, so i think there is a risk, but dunno how to solve a XMail password change from webuser on another way then calling /var/MailRoot/bin/CtrlClnt ....
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21:37<AgentC>my current php-mailpwchange gives parameters (user, domain, oldpw, newpw) to bashscipt after check, the script (not reachable by apache-user) calls CtrlClnt with root permission and root pw first for auth users old pw , then change to users new pw if success. is something risk on it ?
21:38<retrospectacus>why does it need root to make that change?
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21:39<AgentC>i found no other way to start the bashscript from php without sudo. i tried to put it in cgi-bin , but failed to start. (unknown cmd scriptname)
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22:20<kop>AgentC: The safe way to do that sort of stuff is with incron. The webserver drops a file and the incron job parses it and makes sure it's good and then does stuff and you get complete isolation. (But it is asychronous, to some degree or another.)
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22:35<bones_was_here>AgentC: as retrospectacus points out, you don't need to run the password change as root (giving apache root via sudo is indeed quite dangerous)
22:36<bones_was_here>kop's suggestion is the safest, but if you must have the change immediately, collect the user's current password as well as their new one on the web form
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22:36<bones_was_here>that way you have enough info to run passwd as eg www-data, without sudo, and can still change the password
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22:37<kop>bones_was_here: Incron is almost immediate, and can leave breadcrumbs behind to notify when it's done.
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22:38<bones_was_here>kop: yes (imo) that's the best method
22:39<kop>bones_was_here: I've even coded a wait loop into the web app to check for done-ness.
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22:40<kop>bones_was_here: (There's probably a way to handle it with a signal, which would be better.)
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22:42<bones_was_here>kop: i've been procrastinating about writing something like that for some time, it'd be very nice, but not essential, and non-essential stuff goes on a kind of timeless 'todo one day' list :P
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23:00<flaccid>hmm so i browse to
23:01<flaccid>click on 'amd64' and goes to
23:01<flaccid>without clicking further, there is no image in this page
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23:02<flaccid>i click 'netboot' and it goes to and i see mini.iso - this doesn't seem like netinst
23:03<flaccid>would be good to fix up the website, though for now i just need netinst for amd64
23:03<kiaas>is the PowerPC G3 still supported? trying to install 6.0 and my little iBook is just flashing a white screen every so often... OS X 10.4 starts the installer, so I have reason to believe it isn't my hardware.
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23:04<kop>kiaas: Should be. There's a #debian-ppc channel (I can't recall whether it's here or on freenode.) (You should also try following the instructions in the install guide if you're not already doing so.)
23:05<kiaas>Ah, I was trying #ppc and #powerpc to no avail when I first connected. thanks
23:06<flaccid>woops network boot is network boot, i'm after netinst but its not really listed on the damn site
23:06<kop>kiaas: I theory you should be able to get help here, but the ppc folks know the answers.
23:06<flaccid>i guess thats the small cd
23:07<flaccid>ok so partial usability issue, mainly flaccid error :)
23:07<kop>flaccid: Yeah, from the front page netinstall link those are the classic netinstall.
23:08<flaccid>so small and smaller is the ones. any reason to use this business card one instead of the 'small' netinst?
23:08<kop>flaccid: There's a new image that does both i386 and amd64, but why download twice as much if you know what you want.
23:08<flaccid>kop: where is that?
23:08<kop>flaccid: Not really. You'll need to download what's on the small netinst anyway.
23:08<kop>flaccid: IIRC upper right corner of the main debian page.
23:09<flaccid>well seems to be what i need. thanks very much
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23:15<PovAddict>hi all
23:15<PovAddict>how do I format a USB pendrive?
23:15<sney>with mkfs
23:16<PovAddict>I think I dd'd a Haiku image into this one or something... so it might not even have a sane partition table
23:16<sney>you can create a partition table, if you need one, with cfdisk. or just mkfs a filesystem onto the whole device. up to you.
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23:17<PovAddict>um, what's the command to create a FAT filesystem? I don't see a mkfs.fat
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23:17<PovAddict>"To run 'mkfs.vfat' please ask your administrator to install the package 'dosfstools'" now that explains everything >-<
23:18<sney>nice of it to let you know that much
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23:19<amitz>it's pretty demeaning that all fats are considered part of dos :-p
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23:19<PovAddict>it still thinks the pendrive label is "bootimg", where is that stored?
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23:20<PovAddict>oh, it also thinks it's a BeOS partition >_< cfdisk time
23:20<sney>amitz: well, not necessarily msdos
23:21<amitz>mtools packages
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23:21<amitz>i see, I guess some DOSes use fat32.
23:24<PovAddict>what's the correct partition type for a pendrive? :/
23:25<sney>you know, I don't think I've used a partiton table on my pendrive
23:25<PovAddict>just vfat in /dev/sdX?
23:25<kiaas>whatever you want it to be
23:26<sney>PovAddict: exactly
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23:26<sney>I don't think they're big enough to really justify partitions.
23:27<kiaas>Most thumbdrives are vfat, nothing stopping you from making it ZFS
23:27<amitz>or XFS :-p
23:27<PovAddict>well yea, I don't see the point of having multiple partitions
23:27<PovAddict>but I thought a partition table was required
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23:29<amitz>PovAddict: I know that partition table is not required for thumbdisk. But I don't know how generalizable thatis.
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23:43<PovAddict>that seemed to work
23:43<PovAddict>I created vfat in /dev/sdg directly, mounted it, wrote files into it, and they were readable from MS Windows
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23:48<bawnio>would btrfs be stable enough to use on enterprise server arrays?
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23:54<kendall>Why don't you want a device to be mounted when you write a new filesystem image onto it?
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23:58<Stryker>kendall, so it is not used by other programs accessing it
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