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00:12<retrospectacus>k linux-headers
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00:22<dEhiN>how can I lock my terminal?
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00:26<dEhiN>sney: that logs me off
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00:27<dEhiN>but I want to know if I can lock the terminal so I only have to enter my password to unlock, as oppose to entering my username and pwd
00:28<ayaka>I let Nautilus keep my network(samba)password,but I think it's wrong,how to change it?
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00:54<sortadi>a good gnome tool like smb4k to browse SAMBA shares in a local network?
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01:52<SingAlong>is there any doc that has instructions for installing ubuntu on a tablet? I got this chinese tablet from a friend with VIA8505 processor (ARM and I would like to get debian working on it).
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01:57<SingAlong>sorry my bad. wasn't concentrating when I typed that line. Should have been asking about debian install. (no i dont need ubuntu since that comes with wayland, utiny and other stuff. need something simple)
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02:08<willwh>wups ;]
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02:08<SingAlong>anyone tried running debian on a tablet with via8505?
02:08<willwh>SingAlong: I can't say I have :]
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02:09<SingAlong>willwh: lol
02:09<SingAlong>willwh: just incase... did you actually mean that you tried to get it running?
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02:10<willwh>no, I didn't, apologies if it seemed like that
02:10<sney>SingAlong: try in #debian-arm
02:11<SingAlong>sney: ya waiting there for a reply :)
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02:13<flaccid>can anyone fill me in on what an 'Automated install' is from the boot menu of the netinst cd?
02:13<sney>SingAlong: patience, a lot of debian-related channels are at their most active during business hours in north america/western europe
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02:13<twb>When bootstrapping, I get "Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)".
02:14<twb>Can I suppress this (e.g. by telling dpkg/apt to log directly to a file)? I don't want to mount /dev/pts inside the bootstrap.
02:14<SingAlong>sney: ya which is why I'm waiting :) I'm just going to hang on even it is until tomorrow :)
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02:17<sney>twb: sney's hacky workaround solution would be 'touch /dev/pts'
02:18<sney>oh, but it's a directory
02:18<twb>I kinda doubt that will DTRT
02:18<sney>well, translate as necessary
02:18<gsimmons>flaccid: It adds boot parameters useful for preseeding (specifically, auto=true and priority=critical). These are explained in the Installation Guide.
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02:18<twb>It's probably trying to open /dev/pts/N to find out where the tty is, to write to it directly. Instead, I want it to e.g. just write to /dev/stderr
02:18<flaccid>gsimmons: ok thank you kindly
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02:19<twb>I think this is not a behaviour you can workaround by touching files; more setting some option in apt.conf or dpkg.cfg
02:19<flaccid>i'm getting some crazy errors about fd0 from the kernel and its preventing install :(
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02:20<sney>disable your floppy controller in bios, maybe.
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02:20<jm_>twb: does it help if you do TERM=dumb?
02:21<jm_>twb: btw, you have already asked this question once :)
02:21<twb>Good question
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02:21<twb>Bah, that breaks my pretty PS4
02:22<twb>And it doesn't help
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02:25<twb>apt-get -q does, though
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02:26<\3TATUK>Can someone please link me to the page where you can submit new package inclusion suggestions?
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02:27<dpkg>For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at (refinable list at Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help.
02:27<jm_>so yes, someone can
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02:28<twb>No, no it doesn't help
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02:40<Kevin1a>I'm making the switch from Ubuntu to Debian here. I have a little bit of knowledge, but not a ton. I'm wondering if it's better to set a password for root, or just leave it empty and let those permissions go to the admin. I assume in that case, it would run kind of like sudo did in ubuntu?
02:41<arand>Kevin1a: Yes it would setup sudo similar to ubu. As to which is "better"...
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02:42<Kevin1a>I'm willing to to make changes if the other solution will offer me better security or some other advantage. What would make su better? I assume that's what I would have to do, is become su before issuing root commands, am I right?
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02:44<jm_>Kevin1a: you can also configure sudo for some common commands - up to you really
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02:49<Kevin1a>One more question, and thanks for the help by the way. Is there a way to encrypt the home partition in the graphical installer? I installed to a virtual machine using text installer just to test things out. I think I'm ready to make the switch, but I'm kind of paroniod about security and I like to encrypt at the least my home partition.
02:52<jm_>Kevin1a: installation manual says encryption is possible
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02:58<Kevin1a>Yep, I'm reading through it right now, but it's a little over my head. I may just have to do without for now. As an ubu user, I never developed the skills to do this sort of thing without a wizard to follow. :D Thanks for the help.
02:59<jm_>well why not try it - I'm pretty sure installer will have dialogs to do it if it supports that
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02:59<jm_>worse that can happen is that you go back to rpevious choice and proceed without encryption
03:00<Kevin1a>OK, I don't mind installing twice if I mess things up. I'll try it, and if your still online, I'll let you know how it went. I'm probably going to be on at least another 3 hours (this is my other computer)
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03:23<jcress>trying to get gnome-shell back on my laptop (which was working when squeeze was in testing). Installed squeeze (stable), then realized gnome-shell wasn't in the stable repos. After dist-upgrade, aptitude search gnome-shell still doesn't find gnome-shell.
03:24<jcress>following instructions to 'build it yourself' from, i face the following dependency problem:
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03:24<jcress> libpango1.0-dev: Depends: libpango1.0-0 (= 1.28.3-1+squeeze1) but 1.28.3-1+squeeze2 is installed
03:24<jcress> libpango1.0-dev: Depends: libpango1.0-0 (= 1.28.3-1+squeeze1) but 1.28.3-1+squeeze2 is installed.
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03:25<jm_>gnome-shell is only in experimental
03:25<jcress>k. is there a way to resolve the libpango problem to build?
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03:27<jm_>you seem to have libpango1.0-0 from squeeze-p-u, but not libpango1.0-dev
03:28<jm_>so install libpango1.0-dev from squeeze-p-u I guess
03:28<jcress>installing libpango1.0-dev fails
03:28<jm_>I just explained why, it seems it's picking up wrong version - see what apt-cache policy libpango1.0-dev says
03:30<jcress>typo in sources.list i think
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03:31<jm_>check if you have squeeze proposed updates there
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03:35<jcress>jm_ squeeze or wheezy?
03:36<jm_>jcress: your versions say 1.28.3-1+squeeze1
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03:36<jcress>yah, i just dist-upgrade to wheezy
03:37<jcress>so, i guess i did something wrong
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03:37<jm_>well that package is still the same version
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03:37<jcress>is there a reconfigure to restore sources.list to before i messed it up
03:37<jm_>so that explains why it can't find it in wheezy - the squeeze2 version is not in wheezy yet :)
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03:38<jm_>just grab it from squeeze-security for now
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03:38<el> mij
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03:46<jcress>jm_ huh. all i had to do ( i found by accident ) was let aptitude propose a few solutions, until finally it suggested downgrading the offending package. Thanks for your help.
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03:47<jm_>jcress: well that's an option too yes
03:48<mrniceguy>please i need help i am trying to get my LAMP server set
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03:50<jm_>do debian 2.6.37 kernels enable CONFIG_DEVTMPFS* ?
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04:11<MAXmark>how to install simple compiz settings on debian?
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04:31<sander_m>Hi. I have a question about Will this go into Squeeze? Because Iceweasel is now broken in Squeeze with iceweasel-vimperator, and it used to work.
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04:56<Kevin1a>jm: I got it working. Encrypted /home and swap. The debian installer was possibly the easiest I've used, even easier than Ubuntu (though it took longer) I'm feeling really good about this transition. Hopefully in a month or two I'll be the knowledgable user sitting in the IRC answering newbies question. Thanks for the help.
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04:56<jm_>Kevin1a: sure, no worries
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05:03<ansgar>sander_m: Regressions introduced by security updates certainly should be fixed. I just pinged the security team to make sure they are aware of this problem.
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05:05<sander_m>ansgar: Thanks!
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05:06<Kevin1a>I just installed Debian on an eeePC1000HEB and I don't seem to be getting a wireless connection. I can't see any networks. Ubuntu automatically recognized the wireless card. Do I have to add it myself in Debian, or am I overlooking something else.
05:09<Kevin1a>I think the wireless card is the: Ath9k
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05:10<dpkg>[ath9k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11n PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets. Included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bdo kernel lenny> to install a later kernel containing this driver. AR9287 and AR2427 are supported in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. For USB 802.11n device support, see <ar9170>, <ath9k_htc>.
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05:14<Kevin1a>So it should be built in? I'm running squeeze, so I don't know what the issue is. Sorry, this is my first experience with Debian.
05:15<jm_>go here and follow instructions
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05:20<jww>I have some troubles with setting up a fiber channel disk, the driver seems ok, but the device doesn't appears in /dev/sd* . can somebody help please ?
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05:25<Kevin1a>jm: modprobe: command not found
05:26<jm_>Kevin1a: you need to do it as root
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05:29<Kevin1a>jm: OK, I'm connected. Browser successfully loaded debian homepage, it's only the network manager applet that doesn't show any networks it just shows the disconnected icon. Any idea why this might happen?
05:30<jm_>Kevin1a: maybe it's not managed by NM
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05:45<maxillusionist>anybody here used snow leopard on a pc not on a macbook
05:46<maxillusionist>the hackintosh
05:47<maxillusionist>yeah with hackintosh you can run mac on a pc
05:47<petemc>yes, its off topic here
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05:48<maxillusionist>what debian uses unix kernel so do mac LOL well long ago in history
05:48<maxillusionist>i leave it for now
05:49<maxillusionist>shell scripting ,petemc do you like
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05:53<Kevin1a>jm: I think you're right. The nm applet says "device not managed" under wireless. Is there a way I can change it so it is managing the card. In my previous distro (debian based), the card was managed by the nm applet in gnome
05:54<jm_>Kevin1a: did you check /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian? possibly if it's mentioned in the interfaces file, but not sure on this as I don't do WLAN
05:55<jm_>or n-m
05:55<prem>Kevin1a, do you have any entries under /etc/network/interfaces ..?
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06:02<Kevin1a>primary network interface: allow-hotplug wlan0 iface wlan0 inet dhcp #wireless.* options are implemented by the wireless-tools package wireless-mode managed wireless-essid monster
06:03<jm_>that explains it I believe
06:03<prem>will debian support LG E 2040T LED nmonitor..?
06:05<Kevin1a>that readme file you recommended had a fix. I ran sudo service network-manager restart
06:05<Kevin1a>I wonder if it'll hold, or if I'm going to have to find a permanant solution
06:05<jm_>prem: should work fine I guess
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06:06<prem>jm_, no i tried connecting with that .,but the screen is not detected..
06:06<prem>snice there is no xorg.conf file also .,am not sure where to go and edit foe screen resolution settings
06:06<jm_>prem: do you have multiple monitors attached?
06:06<prem>jm_, no
06:07<prem>only that LED monitor
06:07<jm_>prem: i remember my bro had to use some options in xorg.conf with intel driver so it would detect a monitor on DVI port
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06:07<jm_>but it's no longer needed in squeeze (that was with lenny)
06:08<prem>jm_, thats what even i belive
06:08<prem>but its not detecting
06:08<prem>thats why am shocked.,and dont know where to edit
06:08<jm_>did you check xorg logfile?
06:08<Kevin1a>solution appears to be permanant after restart. Thanks jm and prem. I haven't recieved this level of help from any other community. I really genuinely do appreciate it.
06:09<joel>i had lenny and when tried to upgrade to squeeze i got an error when installer tried to migrate my slapd to the new "system" that squeeze uses (based in directories), actually it's a debian bug #603544 but i don't see any fix there, any solution?
06:09<prem>jm_, am not able to see anything
06:09<prem>monitor is not detected and no option to see also.,
06:10<prem>it simply throws "monitor not detected" error and goes black
06:10<jm_>I don't get it - do you see any picture on this monitor?
06:11<prem>jm_, no.,the screen goes black once connected
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06:11<jm_>prem: so you don't see even a BIOS screen or boot loader screen?
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06:12<prem>jm_, i can see till grub..but nothing after that
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06:12<jm_>prem: maybe check what kernel says if KMS is used
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06:13<prem>jm_, u mean enabling or disabling KMS in bootin..?
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06:14<jm_>prem: well I would try with both
06:14<prem>jm_, okey will try that and come back
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08:29<jcress>install of xulrunner-2.0 fails for want newer libcairo2 (1.10) and libnss3-1d (3.12). Advice? i'd like to get it installed so i can build gjs, and gnome-shell
08:29<jcress>(from experimental)
08:31<Myon>you probably need to grab them from experimental as well
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08:31<Myon>or unstable
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08:32<Myon>jcress: but seriously, you shouldn't be using experimental packages if you didn't know that
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08:35<jcress>myon: experimental doesnt seem to have them, is why i asked
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08:35<jm_>jcress: see comment about experimental from above - it does not have all the packages, some can be found in sid
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08:36<jcress>jm_ k.
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08:36<themill>jcress: experimental is not a complete distribution, it's designed to be mixed with sid. And mixing other releases (squeeze with sid etc) is going to lead to tears...
08:36<jm_>jcress: install rmadison and investigating this will be easier
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08:37<houms>anyone know whats going on with deb multimedia?
08:37<jcress>themill: sure, just trying to build gnome-shell. if it doesnt work, oh well
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09:16<Kevin1a>Can anyone tell me where the "gnome alternative" iconset is stored. It was installed with Gnome. I checked ~\.icons\
09:17<th>/usr/share/icons/ perhaps?
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09:18<jm_>Kevin1a: do you know package name?
09:18<jm_>Kevin1a: btw, don't ask yes/no questions
09:19<Kevin1a>sorry, no I'm not sure. They're just one of the default icon sets. Titled "gnome alternative"
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09:22<jm_>try dpkg -l|grep icon
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09:30<Kevin1a>Search didn't bring up anything useful, but I figured out more exactly what I'm looking for. The folder icons are part of the "unity" theme. Basically, I keep images and photo albums in seperate folders but want both to have a picture of a camera on the folder
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09:31<Kevin1a>theme is located at usr/share/themes/unity
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09:44<tuxcrafter>,kernel --release experimental
09:44<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.38-rc8-686 (2.6.38~rc8-1~experimental.1)
09:44<tuxcrafter>,kernel --release sid
09:44<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.37-2-686 (2.6.37-2)
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10:29<tone>I could use some help making a debian boot disk on a thumb drive.
10:29<tone>I'm not "getting" the tutorial right or something
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10:31<Chefe>hi, I have some trouble with the squeeze install on raid 1 ...
10:31<sidh>I've installed Openbox yesterday on a fresh testing debian release with nvidia legacy drivers (with debian packages), the problem is that after a while, say 2 hours, I lose control of the keyboard in X, it's not responding anymore, but i can ctrl + alt + Fn to get a console prompt
10:31<sidh>do you have an idea / tracks where it could come from ? openbox related ? X related ? nvidia related ?
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10:33<Chefe>openbox i think....
10:34<Chefe>or X
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10:35<SynrG>sidh: display power management?
10:35<SynrG>oh, keyboard only, hm?
10:35<SynrG>trying to think of things that kick in after a while on their own
10:36<SynrG>still, power mgmt might kick in and cause something to tank
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10:36<SynrG>sidh: instead of nvidia legacy, try falling back to default ...
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10:37<SynrG>does it still have the problem? if so, i'm not sure what we can do here :/
10:37<SynrG>you're in particularly a bad way because nvidia legacy is not only non-free, but also probably disowned by nvidia upstream :p
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10:37<sidh>SynrG: i use the same xorg.conf since ubuntu 10.04 is out without any problem, but maybe the binary version of nvidia drivier (not package ) are use in ubuntu, i don't know
10:38<SynrG>(well, speculation on my part, based on past behaviour ... maybe it's not so bad these days?)
10:38<SynrG>sidh: well, precisely same upstream nvidia driver revision#?
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10:39<sidh>SynrG: I mount the ubuntu hdd in usb, where can I find which version of nvidia drivia were used ?
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10:39<sidh>driver sorry
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10:42<sidh>SynrG: find /usb_mount -name '*nvidia*' , tells me its 195.36.24 version
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10:42<SynrG>compared to the working 10.04 version?
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10:44<sidh>in debian it seems it is 195.36.31
10:44<SynrG>oh, i see, you gave me the 10.04 version first
10:45<sidh>yes , but on ubuntu is seems it was a nvidia-glx-XXX.deb package
10:45<sidh>it was NOT
10:46<sidh>where as it is a .deb on debian
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10:46<sidh>is there a way to see if on the ubuntu it was the original .run binary that has been installed ?
10:47<SynrG>that's not a question for this channel :/ anyway, i'm not sure if it would prove anything
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10:48<john>hi everyone
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10:48<SynrG>you know there are multiple legacy packages in squeeze and none matches 196.36.31 ...
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10:49<sidh>SynrG: sorry for disturbing with my quieston
10:49<john>i've been looking around - is there a doc that explains (to noobs) how to move from stable to testing?
10:49<sidh>john: in your sources.list , replace squeeze or stable with wheezy or testing
10:50<SynrG>sidh: that particular version is the non-legacy one
10:50<john>just replace the words?
10:50<sidh>and apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
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10:50<john>that's it?
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10:50<sidh>watch out , it is not reversible so easyly, so first if you want to do that for having recent pkg, try backport first
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10:51<madadam1>Hi, why when I do apt-get update the system asks me to insert the installation cd?
10:52<SynrG>sidh: grep "NVIDIA GLX" /var/log/Xorg.0.log
10:52<Chefe>does anyone know, if its right, that partman wont install on a raid 1 system? he always say, that the raid drive is read only and he shows me the other 2 drives, who are in the raid 1 ....
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10:52<sidh>SynrG: you mean I didn't install a proprietary driver ?
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10:54<sidh>SynrG: I got the entry, with (II) in the line (as i can not copy paste with middle click from the tty console, i don't rewrite it)
10:55<melbogia>i have a machine with multiple nics and I am trying to use preseed with " priority=critical interface=auto.." but it doesn't seem to find the nic with the link. dmesg shows all nics with "no link"
10:55<melbogia>However dropping to a debug shell , I can get dhcp lease with 'udhcpc -i eth4'
10:55<babilen>dpkg: tell john about squeeze->wheezy
10:56<sidh>madadam1: you don't have "network/internet entries in you source list, so as you performed the installation only with CD/DVD, it debian knows only this device to get apps
10:56<jthm>madam1 your /etc/apt/spurces.list still includes cdom
10:56<babilen>dpkg: tell john about wheezy
10:56<melbogia>anybody know how to get netcfg working?
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10:56<babilen>john: Oh man, sorry for the spam. Those were not really the factoids I was hoping for.
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10:56<sidh>madadam1: add some deb http/ftp entries in your sources.list and apt-get update as root
10:56<SynrG>sidh: i mean, do that grep ... what version is it actually using? you said "legacy" ...
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10:56<SynrG>and then gave me version# for the non-legacy one
10:57<madadam1>sidh, done. solved
10:57<SynrG>sidh: the rest of the line is not relevant. just the version# will ddo
10:57<madadam1>there was a repository that linked to the cd
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10:57<sidh>SynrG: sorry English is not my mother tongue language, I thought legacy meant proprietary , as oppsoed to "nv" and "nouveau"
10:58<SynrG>sidh: ah, this is not an english issue :)
10:58<babilen>john: Be that as it may, upgrading to wheezy is probably not a wise choice if you don't know enough about Debian already to be aware of how to do this. It basically boils down to adding wheezy sources to your sources.list and removing all Squeeze/stable specific repos, such as as prop-updates and bdo.
10:58<SynrG>sidh: yes, i would consider in some sense the proprietary to be "legacy" (old stuff we want to replace with nouveau) ...
10:59<SynrG>sidh: but in this particular case, there are multiple "legacy" (older) upstream versions of nvidia proprietary driver available in debian
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10:59<SynrG>well, more properly speaking, in non-free
10:59<SynrG>which is mostly to support older hardware.
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11:00<SynrG>sidh: since debian's version is actually more recent than what you've been using in 10.04, maybe there is a regression upstream? i don't know ...
11:01<sidh>SynrG: the grep says : 195.36.31
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11:02<sidh>SynrG: As I dont use 3D fx and so on, (very lightweigh desktop) but having triple head settings, maybe i could use nouveau
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11:03<SynrG>it's worth a try, if only to see if the problem you reported goes away
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11:03<SynrG>even if you don't stick with it. that would at least give you some basis for troubleshooting if you wanted to continue to use the non-free driver
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11:03<sidh>do we need to uninstall nvidia-glx, or just replace the "Driver "nvidia"" with nouveau in xorg.conf is enough ?
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11:03<SynrG>i believe it's now managed through the alternatives system
11:04<sidh>"alternatives" ?
11:04<dpkg>well, alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. Have a look at the galternatives package or ask me about <update-alternatives> <java alternatives>.
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11:05<SynrG>so you would be able to install the standard glx, replacing the nvidia glx ...
11:05<SynrG>and just remove the Driver "nvidia" stuff
11:05<SynrG>it should default to nouveau
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11:05<SynrG>(X autoprobes)
11:05<SynrG>this would allow you to switch easily back and forth
11:06<sney>it has to load the nouveau kernel module too though and that conflicts with nvidia
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11:07<sidh>oh ok I see, thanks for your information
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11:09<SynrG>sidh: i have not done this myself, but the whole point of managing glx via alternatives was to be able to switch back and forth ... i believe just that plus changes to xorg.conf is all you need. but i could be wrong.
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11:11<sidh>SynrG: so in order, remove nvidia-glx, install standard glx, and removing the nvidia entry in xorg.conf should be enough ?
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11:11<SynrG>sidh: no, like i said, the alternatives system allows both glxes to be installed at once
11:12<SynrG>and manages which one you're currently using
11:12<dpkg>hmm... update-alternatives is a tool for creating, removing, maintaining and displaying information about the symbolic links comprising the Debian <alternatives> system.
11:12<Emery>What is the new testing branch called ?
11:12<SynrG>Emery: wheezy
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11:12<Emery>Has much work been done to wheezy ?
11:13<SynrG>kind of hard to give a meaningful response there :)
11:13<SynrG>we've not just been twiddling our thumbs since the squeeze release, as you'll probably gather :)
11:13<Emery>Well seen as though squeeze is now stable
11:13<Emery>Which kernel comes with testinfg?
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11:14<sney>judd: kernels
11:14<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.38-rc8-686 (2.6.38~rc8-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.37-2-686 (2.6.37-2); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2)
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11:14<sney>still same as squeeze, for now
11:14<SynrG>and likely to remain that way until 2.6.38 i suspect
11:15<SynrG>there are enough quirky things about 2.6.37
11:15<sney>indeed, or maybe even later
11:15<Emery>Is sid that much more unstable that wheezy ?
11:15<kop>Emery: Yes.
11:15<Emery>I mean can it be used
11:15<Emery>Without killing my box :P
11:15<SynrG>you need a basic understanding of what "unstable" really means ...
11:15<kop>Emery: What are you trying to do?
11:15<kop>!tell Emery about overview
11:15<sney>if you know what your're doing, you can use it, but it's not recommended for any systems that are important
11:15<Emery>Just wanted to test either wheezy or sid
11:16<SynrG>!tell emery about unstable
11:16<Emery>Ah well i use this for day-to-day
11:16<sney>stick with stable for now then
11:16<sney>testing will quiet down in a few months as well
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11:16<Emery>I wanted to give the .38 or .37 kernel a go
11:17<Emery>The one travolds was boasting about
11:17<SynrG>that being said, i generally find it ok to test kernels from sid/experimental (but i'm a developer, not an avg. user)
11:17<SynrG>sometimes they do what i want. sometimes not. so long as i can fall back ...
11:17<Emery>And does sid cause many problems for you ?
11:17<SynrG>well, over the years i've become desensitized. i eat problems for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
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11:18<SynrG>so i would honestly say "no", from my perspective (an admittedly highly warped one)
11:18<SynrG>this is not to be construed as an endorsement of use of unstable for daily things :)
11:18<Emery>I understand.
11:18<Emery>Well i might aswell give it a bash
11:18<kop>Emery: Get newer kernels from backports for stable. See the link in <overview> for more info on newer stuff for stable.
11:18<Emery>Always got my squeeze CD on standby
11:20<Emery>Don't suppose it's the end of the world if i ruin my Debian install
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11:24<ua>hello every body
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11:24<ua>need help please
11:24<ua>apt-get install virtualbox-4.0.0
11:24<ua>Reading package lists... Done
11:24<ua>Building dependency tree
11:24<ua>Reading state information... Done
11:24<ua>E: Unable to locate package virtualbox-4.0.0
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11:26<sney>ua: ubuntu isn't supported here
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11:27<ua>please, i am susing ubuntu server
11:27<sney>so you need to go to #ubuntu
11:27<ua>sney>ok, thank you
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11:30<tone>i've been trying to get a debian boot disk set up and installed via a usb thumb drive and am looking for some help after eight hours of trying
11:31<jhutchins_lt>!usb install
11:31<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
11:32<babilen>tone: Have you tried the method outlined in the installation guide?
11:32<tone>babilen: yes
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11:33<tone>babilen: I'm must be missing something though
11:33<babilen>tone: Please tell us more about your findings than. What did you do (exactly)? What behaviour did you expect and what did actually happen? (and so on)
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11:34<babilen>argh! THEN! (sorry)
11:34<tone>babilen: I eiether get a "this floppy is not bootable"... or
11:34<tone>"missing operating system.
11:35<tone>thats what the message says, i'm actually using a usb thumb drive
11:35<babilen>You missed the "what did you do (exactly)?" part ;)
11:35<tone>babilen: ok, let me gather my notes, i've done many things, lol
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11:36<tone>I downloaded a business card iso image
11:36<SynrG>i would also like to know if you've ever booted any other image successfully from USB on this system (failure to do so may indicate you haven't gotten the hang of BIOS settings yet, and that's not covered so well in the doc, i think)
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11:37<tone>did #cat debian.whatever.iso > /dev/sdc1
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11:38<tone>SynrG: not on this system, but I'm like 106% sure I'm good with the bios settings
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11:38<babilen>tone: That should be /dev/sdc not /dev/sdb1, but pray continue
11:39<babilen>/dev/sdc1 (gnarg)
11:39<tone>babilen: so i try to boot the OTHER machine with this drive and get a "missing operating system"
11:40<babilen>tone: If you look at the installation guide it says: cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX -- You want the block device itself not a partition
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11:40<tone>looking back through my bash log, I've used /dev/sdc1 ... maybe that's my problem, or one of them
11:41<tone>thanks I'll fix that
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11:42<babilen>tone: Good luck!
11:43<tone>babilen: thank you sincerely. I hope not to be back, lol.
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11:45<tone>babilen: awesome, i got the installer.
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11:47<babilen>tone: Wonderful! \o/ Attention to details is important. Hence my "what have you done (exactly!)" question :)
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11:53<Guest754>quien habla spañol
11:54<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:04<Vulcan>Running Debian 6 now, but can't find the configuration screen for GDM (which is sitting at gdm3 now).
12:04<Vulcan>ie. The one that would allow me to configure remote X logins, etc.
12:04<Vulcan>Any ideas?
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12:07<rudi_s>Vulcan: I don't use GDM, is something in /etc/gdm* and /usr/share/doc/gdm3/?
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12:08<Vulcan>rudi_s: yeah config files etc are there, but I'm looking for the GUI config for the login manager that was present in earlier versions of gdm.
12:08<rudi_s>No idea, sorry.
12:08<Vulcan>rudi_s: Where you could just click "configure login manager"
12:08<Vulcan>hmm. I'll keep googling and respond back once I've got an answer.
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12:13<Vulcan>rudi_s: By the looks of things the GUI configuration may be been stripped out of gdm3
12:13<rudi_s>Hm. Then you'll have to do it by hand I suppose.
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12:20<Vulcan>rudi_s: gonna try going back to gdm with `apt-get -s install --reinstall gdm`
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12:20<Vulcan>as per the advice on this thread
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12:21<Vulcan>Fingers crossed, the dependancy list for gdm3 is massive
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12:31<madadam1>ragazzi come posso trasferire un file sulla cartella /var/www del mio server tramite ftp? cioè come devo configurare il server ftp affinché abbia i permessi per scrivere su quella cartella?
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12:32<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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12:38<sidh>for those who were helping me hour ago for my triple head setting with nouveau driver, it works
12:38<sidh>thank you
12:38<madadam1>Hi! how could I access the remote folder /var/www on my server by proftpd?
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12:39<sidh>madadam1: proftpd is a ftp dameon
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12:39<sidh>so you have to configure it to deliver acces to the foler you want
12:39<madadam1>sidh, yes, I've installed it on my server
12:39<madadam1>sidh, I would just know how to config it
12:40<sidh>man proftpd or ls /usr/share/doc/proftd/* shoud give you information on how to use it
12:40<madadam1>sidh, :) thank'
12:40<sidh>madadam1: there is a thousand way to configure it
12:41<sidh>just read (sorry for the disguised RTFM) the documentation , you have to carefully read and know what you are doing when you set up such services as ftp
12:42*sidh has replaced ftp by sftp with scp years ago
12:43<sidh>one apps, one port to rule them all
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12:44<retrospectacus>madadam1: create a system user with home=/var/www, simplest way
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12:45<madadam1>retrospectacus, if I change permission to the folder, avoiding the creation of a new user? could it work?
12:45<retrospectacus>it could
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12:45<madadam1>retrospectacus, I try
12:45<retrospectacus>but how would the user cd to /var/www after loggin into /home/usern
12:46<madadam1>using ftp?
12:46<retrospectacus>the answer is, again, "they could" but this is what reading the docs to confugre it is for
12:46<madadam1>my client allow me to do it easily
12:46<sney`>provide a symlink in their home dir to /var/www
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12:46<madadam1>good idea
12:47<sney`>it's what I do on my hacky development web servers but it is not exactly Secure (tm) and there's probably a better way
12:47<sney`>actually, the better way likely starts with discarding ftp and using sftp instead
12:47<madadam1>should I use chmod to change permission? I've used always ubuntu, and without sudo I'm in trouble
12:47<madadam1>now I'm root
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12:48<madadam1>how could I change permission for w and r for the other user I use for ftp?
12:49<madadam1>I'm reading the doc, sorry
12:49<sney`>group ownership would probably be the way to do it
12:49<sney`>look at chmod and also chown
12:52<sney`>madadam1: also, if you're more comfortable with sudo, you could always install it ...
12:52<madadam1>sney, ok
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13:03<knoppixtommy>ay alguien por aca_
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13:13<dpkg>The first <point release> for Debian Squeeze (6.0.1) is scheduled for March 19th, 2011. Cherry USB keyboards are usable during Debian installation (Debian bug #584973), issues with Ethernet bonding are corrected (Debian bugs #610838, #616058) and additional hardware support is introduced.
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13:39<AgentC>would anyone does a try for me on my php-programming on my website in case of quality check ?? user: testuser password: test ... some sms are free for test-purpose. :-)
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13:47<ml|>!ops micro spam
13:47<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ml| complains about: micro spam
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13:48<mentor>ml|: The bot has it, I think :)
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13:48<ml|>mentor: ok, sorry for the noise :)
13:48<mentor>No, thanks for the headsup?
13:49<ml|>no problem
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13:55<mwalling>ml|: stuff like that can go to #oftc too
13:56<mwalling>(stupid bot, you dont spam netops)
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14:15<ballison>i have a dumb webserver question. If I'm seeing an extremely high number of status code = 304's in my access_log what does that mean? that the apache webserver is just serving up a cached version of the page?
14:16<dpkg>Apache HTTPD is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server. Ask me about <apache2>, <install apache2>, <apache manual>. See also <cnrd>, <userdir>. #httpd on
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14:19<ballison> weird - i went to #httpd on to ask my question and it says "*** #httpd Cannot send to channel" whenever i try to type anything to the channel. :/
14:20<retrospectacus>means you need to register your nickname
14:21<retrospectacus>try /msg NickServ help
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14:26<retrospectacus>ballison, anyways, yes 304 is "not modified" so the browser uses its cache
14:27<retrospectacus>it's a good thing :) saves you bandwidth, disk, cpu
14:27<ballison>retrospectacus: thanks. what about 204's?
14:27<SynrG>freenode can autoauthenticate you by specifying the nickserv password as your server password, btw.
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14:27<SynrG>much nicer than auto-identify scripting it
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14:28<retrospectacus>ballison: what about it? It means "no content" and is used for ajax updates usually
14:29<ballison>retro: I'm seeing high number of 304's (good), 204's , 401's and 403's
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14:29<retrospectacus>ballison: cool story. Is there a problem we can help you with?
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14:31<comm2k>hoi hoi, I'm trying to find out whether a system has been compromised or not: there is a user named "festival" which seems to have been created some time ago but never logged in (acc. to last)
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14:31<dpkg>hmm... festival is a multi-lingual speech synthesis system with various APIs, as well as an environment for development and research of speech synthesis techniques, or free software as of version 1.4.0, or
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14:31<ballison>retro: well they are not 200's so I was trying to figure out if any of those were "bad"
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14:32<comm2k>yeah I figured that out and I remember I once installed some speech synthesis packages - espeak I definately remember - but festival I'm not sure... anyway does festival create a dedicated user?
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14:33<retrospectacus>ballison: well 403 is "forbidden" and 401 is "unauthorized" which are sort of "bad" in that someone failed to login or could indicate incorrect file permissions.
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14:37<retrospectacus>comm2k: you can see if you have festival installed by running "dpkg -l festival" and if it says "ii festival <version#> etc" they yes it is installed
14:37<retrospectacus>whether it makes a user I have no idea
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14:38<comm2k>ok I don't have it installed anymore
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14:41<comm2k>AHHH.. ok I've just installed festival in a virtual machine and see that it creates the user (why? I have no clue)...
14:42<ballison>retro: In my access_log, about once a day, I'm getting a response code = 500. The web server is responding to the same request all day and usually with a 200, then once a day, randomly it responds with a 500....
14:42<comm2k>and aptitude remove festival does not remove that user... *piece of mind restored*
14:43<retrospectacus>ballison: 500 is internal server error. Check /var/log/apache2/error_log
14:43<retrospectacus>or wherever the error logs go for that site/file which is erroring
14:44<retrospectacus>comm2k: perhaps aptitude purge festival
14:44<retrospectacus>that may be bug report material
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14:45<ballison>retro: But I'm seeing that in the access log. What is looks like in the access is two requests concatinated together. Like the end of one request "OBJECT_ID=39393993+whatever POST /cgi/" all together as a single request followed by the server code 500
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14:45<ballison>what would cause two request to cross into one like that?
14:46<comm2k>retrospectacus - good idea will try now
14:48<comm2k>nope purge doesn't get rid of that user either
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14:50<retrospectacus>ballison: not sure. I don't see anything like that in my logs
14:50<retrospectacus>they are all IP - - [timestamp] "GET url HTTP/1.1" 200 size "referrer" "useragent"\n
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14:56<retrospectacus>ballison: anyways, if there is a 500 response something should have gone in the error_log, probably (depending on your configuration)
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15:00<comm2k>thanks everybody who helped track this down - I'm off
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15:04<oddtod>Hello i installed debian from a dvd but now want to get software from the network mirrors. What is the main repo for lenny?
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15:04<petemc>!lenny sources.list
15:04<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> and "man sources.list".
15:05<themill>oddtod: lenny or squeeze? squeeze is the current stable release.
15:05<sney`>(aka 5.0 or 6.0)
15:05<oddtod>lenny i had a disk laying around
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15:07<sney`>oddtod: ok, follow dpkg's instructions above
15:07<sney`>and maybe consider updating to squeeze in the future
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15:12<oddtod>sney`: I may upgrade this is just a virtual machine for vpn'ing home.
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15:16<hstrutz>hi. I would like to use the find command to find all directories that contain ogg-files - and then move all these directories to one single "OGG"-directory (where the old directorys containing ogg filed are in intact) How could I do that in the most simple way? :-)
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15:18<ioria>does anybody know the compilation process of Qt 3.3 ?
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15:24<oddtod>if i installed an adapter after installation how would i add the device?
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15:26<petemc>hstrutz: find . -iname *.ogg | while read ; do dirname "$REPLY" ; done | uniq | while read ; do rsync -avz "$REPLY" /some/other/dir/ ; done
15:26<petemc>probably far better ways to do it, but im a one trick pony
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15:27<hstrutz>petemc, awesome, thanks.
15:27<sney`>hstrutz: if you get an A, make sure to cite your sources :P
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15:28<hstrutz>sney, sure would do, but I am not in computer class. :-)
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15:30<pkrzywicki>hi guys
15:30<pkrzywicki>have a quick one
15:31<pkrzywicki>any ideas why my ssh keys are working in gnome i.e.
15:31<pkrzywicki>but they do not work in xfce
15:31<pkrzywicki>what I am doing wrong or what should I change
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15:31<pkrzywicki>my eys aresecured by pass phrase
15:32<EmleyMoor>How are they not working? Are you being prompted for the passphlase at login?
15:32<retrospectacus>pkrzywicki, ssh has nothing to do with desktop env.
15:32<EmleyMoor>(this keyboard layout promotes r and l swaps!)
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15:32<pkrzywicki>retrospectacus, yeah sure this s what I thought
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15:33<pkrzywicki>ok my keys are secured by passphrase
15:33<pkrzywicki>which normally I have to enter when I am logged into my desktop/laptop
15:33<pkrzywicki>but for some reason this is not appearing on my screen when I am using xfce
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15:34<pkrzywicki>so my question is what should I do to make this pass window to appear again in xfce
15:34<sney`>something to do with gnome-keyring I bet
15:34<EmleyMoor>pkrzywicki: I have never used xfce but you obviously need to set up something to add the key, and therefore prompt for the passphrase. Sorry I can't be specific
15:34<hstrutz>petemc, btw, is there any way of actually moving all the ogg files instead of copying them?
15:35<ioria>does anybody know the compilation process of Qt 3.3 ?
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15:36<pkrzywicki>sney, EmleyMoor thx a lot will try to figure it out something
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15:36<babilen>ioria: I bet plenty of the people who hang out in #qt over at freenode :)
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15:36<ioria>thanks ... :-(
15:37<themill>ioria: you might start finding it hard to find people who know about qt3 given that it's been deprecated for 4 (5, 6?) years now.
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15:38<ioria>ya... but i 'm still loooking at my screen after 8 hours waiting for the compiling ???
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15:39<ioria>i'm going down ...
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15:40<nasuta-work>hello comrades
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15:40<babilen>ioria: I wouldn't be concerned about it, just let it do its job. Bet you never used gentoo ;) -- Just curious, but what do you need it for?
15:40<Flakk>Hi people I have a question which is not debian-specific but maybe someone would be willing to help. I have a WEB perso page from my ISP (not in my computer but in theirs. I want to protect it. The server whioch they use is Apache 2. So I created .htacess, .htpasswd, and loaded it where it should be. And nothing works and the error message is "internal server error". There is a pop-up asking for the password, but when I enter the login and pa
15:40<Flakk>ss, ut says "internal server error. Ant help?
15:41<ioria>i want to read .chm file ... (i know is stupid)
15:41<ioria>and i need Kviewer...
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15:42<themill>ioria: there's qt3 in debian already and debian also has several chm viewers.
15:42<ioria>no ... is on my second computer
15:42<themill>,info kchmviewer
15:42<judd>Package kchmviewer (kde, optional) in squeeze/i386: CHM viewer for KDE. Version: 5.1-1+b1; Size: 224.5k; Installed: 724k; Homepage:; Screenshot:
15:42<ioria>with slackware
15:43*themill sends ioria to ##slackware on
15:44<ioria>version 10.0
15:44<babilen>ioria: Wouldn't be surprised if they have some chm viewers that don't require you to go through this. Good luck and happy reading.
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15:45<oddtod>I built a debian vm without a nic i then added a nic but it doesn't have it in the ifconfig listing. How can I add this device?
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15:46<rindzm>hi, isnt there an easy way of creating an usb key with the debian installer? other distros provide a downloadable iso which you just dd to the usb key
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15:48<oddtod>rindzm: debian also provides iso's
15:48<babilen>!tell rindzm -about usb install
15:49<babilen>rindzm: Essentially "cat image.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync"
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15:49<rindzm>ah, so it works with those isos as well
15:49<babilen>rindzm: (you can use dd if you are so inclined)
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15:49<rindzm>ya ;)
15:49<babilen>rindzm: Have fun! :)
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15:56<tylerlm>I noticed portmap and rpc.statd are running after a bare netinst install of debian 6 - what is the rationale for including them that early, what are they supporting?
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15:57<retrospectacus>tylerlm: aptitude why portmap
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15:59<tylerlm>retrospectacus: thank you!
15:59<sney`>must come in with the gnome stuff
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16:00<retrospectacus>turns out mount recommends nfs-common which requires portmap
16:00<retrospectacus>good ol' "recommends installed by default"
16:00<sney`>ah, that makes sense
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16:03<tylerlm>i see... i read this in a config file a while ago - seems that behaviour is disabled in apt.conf.d or apt preferences but not during install - i guess this is intentional then. thanks for the help! apt-get remove for you.
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17:11<melbogia>stupid question, can one chroot from a 64 bit to a 32 bit environment?
17:11<babilen>I might read the yes
17:12<babilen>or even say it :-\ : Yes
17:12<melbogia>i know i can't go from 32 to 64
17:12<ansgar>melbogia: You can go from 32 to 64 too as long as you use a 64bit kernel.
17:13<melbogia>Oh i see
17:13<babilen>which is easily installed on a i386 system
17:13<melbogia>nice, thanks guys
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17:14<melbogia>speaking of installing a 64bit kernel on an i386, how does that differ from a 64 bit installation? I.e. if i have a i386 system and i install a 64 bit kernel, that is not the same as if i had originally instealled a 64 bit OS, is it?
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17:15<ansgar>melbogia: The userland will still be 32bit.
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17:16<melbogia>oh i see
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17:20<tuxcrafter>,kernel --release experimental
17:20<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.38-rc8-686 (2.6.38~rc8-1~experimental.1)
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17:24<home>hai guys
17:24<home>amd or nvidia graphic cards?
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17:25<Hercolubus>mmmm ilike Nvidia
17:26<wissem>dpkg: cpufreq
17:26<dpkg>The Linux kernel CPUfreq subsystem supports frequency scaling on mobile (and some desktop) x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) for throttling processor speed to save power when the system is idle. . See also <power saving>.
17:27<wissem>sorry but it is just my acer laptop being noisy :þ
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17:28<manishe>dpkg, dpkg
17:28<dpkg>it has been said that dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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17:29<manishe>dpkg, debian
17:29<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, debian is See
17:29<retrospectacus>!tell manishe about msg the bot
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17:30<home>cpufreq is awsome
17:30<home>I i dle at 30-38 celcius
17:30<home>amd latest gfx card or nvidia... which should I buy?
17:31*Black_Prince checks wiki about cpufreq
17:32<Black_Prince>damn, I need to recompile kernel
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17:32<Hercolubus>what is the problem ?
17:32<Black_Prince>no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU
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17:34<wissem>Black_Prince: I need to know if the driver is on the kernel before changing the governor ?
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17:34<Black_Prince>No it is not
17:34<wissem>I am welling to switch into conservative
17:35<Black_Prince>I compiled custom kernel toda
17:35<wissem>so ?
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17:35<wissem>oh i see
17:35<kendall>which program in debian can you use IRC?
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17:35<Black_Prince>kendall I use xchat
17:36<kendall>any that come in the default install?
17:36<Hercolubus>kendall, i use chat to
17:36<wissem>Black_Prince: I need no driver what so ever then ?
17:36<kendall>cuz it might be bad to not have IRC to ask questions :(
17:36<wissem>I ll just change the governor
17:36<Black_Prince>I don't know ... I think I just compiled default governor
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17:37<Black_Prince>Which is userspace
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17:39<Black_Prince>Err, does it mather if cpufreq governors are compiled staticaly into kernel or as modules?
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17:43<retrospectacus>one of my servers's clock goes way off all the time. It is running ntp daemon, and restarting the daemon fixes the time. Why would it be doing this?
17:44<retrospectacus>yesterday it was wrong by 12.5 hours. I restarted ntp and it fixed it. Today it was 2.5 hours off
17:44<Black_Prince>Did you set your clock to UTC?
17:44<retrospectacus>yes it's all UTC
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17:45<Black_Prince>Do /etc/default/rcS and /etc/localtime point to UTC?
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17:47<Syloq>I recently dist-upgraded from lenny to squeeze while everything appears to be working correctly my monitors are backwards. My main monitor (Monitor 1) is only letting me access my right monitor by going off the screen to the left. Is there some gotcha that I'm missing in the xorg.conf config thats changed?
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17:47<retrospectacus>Black_Prince: /etc/default/rcS says UTC=yes
17:48<retrospectacus>Black_Prince: how do I read /etc/localtime
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17:48<Black_Prince>dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
17:48<Black_Prince>and just cancel it ...
17:48<retrospectacus>[root@axel ~]# file /etc/localtime
17:48<retrospectacus>/etc/localtime: timezone data, old version, 1 gmt time flag, 1 std time flag, no leap seconds, no transition times, 1 abbreviation char
17:48<jthm>would utc or not utc make half hour difference?
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17:49<retrospectacus>it does not appear to ever be any specific interval wrong, it just drifts very quickly
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17:50<jthm>hence the question if has anything at ll to do with utc
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17:50<retrospectacus>Black_Prince: yes tzdata says Current default time zone: 'Etc/UTC'
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17:52<Kevin1a>I cannot open System>Network Connections on my Debian install. My primary interface is wlan0, and it took a little finagling to get it to work. What could I have done to make network connections unopenable (after all, it's just the program, the indicator applet and connection itself work fine.
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17:54<jthm>retrospectacus I'd check the logs for complaints about the hw clock
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18:08<Black_Prince>I can't even see cpufreq-info output
18:08<Black_Prince>Just complaining about missing driver
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18:10<SalmonK>use the salmon command
18:10<SalmonK>salmonk -u
18:11<Black_Prince>yeah, sure
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18:19<retrospectacus>so assuming the hwclock is dying or whatever :\ how can I make ntp work better (properly)?
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18:21<EZmoney>some routers support it
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18:22<Emery>Should there be any problems with using the .32 kernel under sid ?
18:23<Emery>the .37 doesnt work for some reason gives me a black screen when GDM loads.
18:23<retrospectacus>the machine has it running. It is supposed to talk to {0..3} according to /etc/ntp.conf
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18:24<retrospectacus>Emery: it's probably your video driver. check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
18:24<babilen>Emery: try .38 from exp
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18:24<Emery>from where ? Sorry i'm not familiar with exp
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18:24<Emery>retrospectacus, i don't doubt that it's the nvidia 173xx
18:24<retrospectacus>EZmoney: this machine is in a data center 6000 miles away. There is no "router"
18:24<retrospectacus>Emery, why are you using experimental?
18:24<EZmoney>retrospectacus, I see
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18:25<Emery>retrospectacus, livin life on the edge ;)
18:25<retrospectacus>Emery the video drivers must be compiled for each different kernel. /msg dpkg nvidia
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18:26<Emery>retrospectacus, i see .. that'd be difficult booting that kernel because i get a black screen on boot
18:26<Emery>So i can't really do anything
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18:26<retrospectacus>Emery you can boot "recovery Mode" or whatever its called, or you can get in by ssh
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18:27<Emery>retrospectacus, it's not that much of a biggie using .32 it runs very smooth
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18:28<retrospectacus>same here. Not sure why you would try .37... you like big numbers?
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18:28<Emery>Well it came with sid
18:28<dpkg>( The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! )
18:28<Emery>Hence why it's installed
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18:28<Emery>babilen, i can't see .38 in sids repos
18:28<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.38-rc8-686 (2.6.38~rc8-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.37-2-686 (2.6.37-2); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2)
18:29<retrospectacus>Emery: note that sid != experimental
18:29<Emery>there's a more unstable branch than sid
18:29<retrospectacus>precisely. It will break even better :)
18:29<Emery>i don't think i fancy the gamble
18:29<dEhiN>really? I always thought sid = experimental
18:29<Emery>Well i installed everything using sid repos from a base install of the net cd
18:30<dEhiN>and wheezy = testing
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18:30<Emery>So HOPEFULLY it will be ok :P
18:30<Emery>i don't fancy my chances with exp though.
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18:31<Emery>retrospectacus, in all seriousness have you had many problems from a sid install ?
18:31<Emery>Or do you stick with stable
18:31<melbogia>is the fai-nfsroot package requred to make a nfsroot initrd?
18:31<retrospectacus>I would never "install sid" ... I run testing and use <tum> if I need something newer (/msg dpkg tum)
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18:32<melbogia>it seems lenny had nfsboot and nfsbooted, which doesn't exist in squeeze
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18:33<Emery>retrospectacus, i can't see myself having many problems that can't be fixed
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18:34<retrospectacus>I can ;) but I guess we will see you then :|
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18:34<Emery>retrospectacus, one of the devs i was speaking to early uses it, he doesnt have many problems
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18:36<retrospectacus>well then! If it breaks you can go talk to him. We are not supposed to support sid in here :)
18:36<Emery>Good job i wasn't asking for support then ;)
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18:38<melbogia>anybody know why nfsboot and nfsbooted packes doesn't exist in squeeze?
18:39<retrospectacus>,versions nfsboot
18:39<judd>Package nfsboot on i386 -- lenny: 0.0.15
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18:39<melbogia>i am guess that confirms that it doesn't exist in squeeze?
18:40<melbogia>how do i get nfsroot wokring in squeeze then?
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18:41<retrospectacus>melbogia: you could probably just add another line in sources.list with lenny
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18:41<gsimmons>dpkg: dbugs 530374
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18:42<dpkg>DONE:#530374:W[] RM: nfsboot,nfsbooted -- RoM; not worth own packages, not much used (); Sun, 24 May 2009 13:39:01 UTC []
18:42<melbogia>retrospectacus: would that just work?
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18:43<melbogia>so the packes were removed in squeeze and wasn't replaced by anything? hmm..
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18:44<babilen>Emery: experimental
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18:46<retrospectacus>yes melbogia
18:47<melbogia>that sucks..
18:47<retrospectacus>melbogia, what I said would probably work.
18:47<retrospectacus>add lenny source, apt-get -t lenny install nfsboot
18:47<retrospectacus>(update first )
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19:03<EZmoney>retrospectacus,are you trying to sync or change the time on a remote server?
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19:12<retrospectacus>EZmoney: I am trying to get a remote server to maintain the correct time (UTC)
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19:12<EZmoney>Debian is set to UTC (Universal Time) change /etc/default/rcS Simply change the line "UTC=yes" to "UTC=no" and save the file
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19:13<retrospectacus>so far my best solution is to add 0 * * * * root /etc/init.d/ntp restart to crontab
19:13<EZmoney>Debian will treat the system clock as local time (which it is) instead of UTC, and won't adjust it for time zones.
19:13<retrospectacus>EZmoney: the machine has no time zone
19:13<retrospectacus>EZmoney: that file has UTC=yes
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19:14<retrospectacus>I should say: the machine has no need for any local time
19:14<retrospectacus>and thus does not have any.
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19:14<retrospectacus>the time just goes wrong very quickly
19:15<MrFrood>retrospectacus: ntp
19:15<retrospectacus>yes it has ntp running
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19:16<retrospectacus>makes no difference, but when I restart ntp service the time is corrected
19:16<retrospectacus>[root@axel ~]# date
19:16<retrospectacus>Tue Mar 15 23:04:22 UTC 2011
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19:16<Emery>retrospectacus, tried a new bios battery?
19:17<EZmoney>the Bios is changing also? back and forth?
19:17<retrospectacus>I can't really test these things... it's 6000 miles away
19:17<Emery>Well if it doesnt keep time it's usually the bios battery
19:17<EZmoney>the time change has screwed it up
19:18<retrospectacus>it probably is the battery
19:18<EZmoney>some motherboard must be manually set in the bios,or it will change back and forth
19:18<EZmoney>I dont know why
19:18<retrospectacus>it's not going "back and forth", the passage of time is just too slow
19:19<Emery>Well the mobo wont set any time
19:19<Emery>Because it wont remember the time
19:19<Emery>Due to dead battery
19:19<retrospectacus>it smoked too much reefer down there in Florida
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19:19<MrFrood>retrospectacus: if ntp corrects the time where is the problem?
19:19<EZmoney>get on the and have somebody swap it out for a new one
19:19<retrospectacus>I restarted ntp a few hours ago and it is already 15 minutes behind
19:20<retrospectacus>MrFrood that's what I thought
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19:20<retrospectacus>the problem is the time is always wrong. ntp does not seem to function
19:20<retrospectacus>except upon service restart
19:21<retrospectacus>EZmoney: yes that is probably what I'll need todo...
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19:21<EZmoney>sounds like it's about to die
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19:21<EZmoney>had me stumped :)
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19:24<retrospectacus>it would be nice if ntp just kept the time up to date
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19:24<retrospectacus>isn't there some kind of drift constant that is supposed to do that?
19:26<unlisted>I had trouble with ntp
19:27<unlisted>had to set time manually then go back and set clock to sync with ntp server
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19:30<retrospectacus>when ntp starts, it sets the time correctly. Then it never sets it again and after 1 day the time is off by 2 hours
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19:31<retrospectacus>anyways I am on the datacenter website, gonna get them to replace the battery
19:31<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: look at the output of ntpq
19:32<retrospectacus>dondelelcaro: is a prompt. what to enter?
19:32<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: and the runtime clock shifting doesn't have anything to do with the battery (although that may also need replacing)
19:32<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: lpeers or similar
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19:34<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: your clock is way out of the offset that it should have for whatever reason.
19:35<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: NTP knows this, but is unable to slew it without jumping the clock, and so has probably given up
19:35<dondelelcaro>(or is going to take a *very* long time to do it)
19:35<retrospectacus>yes it currently thinks it is 23:21:46 UTC
19:35<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: what does adjtimex -p; output?
19:36<retrospectacus>command not found
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19:36<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: install adjtimex, and in the meantime, restart ntp
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19:37<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: actually, first restart ntp, then stop it, then install adjtimex
19:37<dondelelcaro>having ntp run when adjtimex can be difficult
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19:39<retrospectacus>ahh now I have some strange apparently unrelated error
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19:43<retrospectacus>alright I got past that, adjtimex is doing its thing
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19:43<retrospectacus>Adjusting system time by 10555.9 sec/day to agree with CMOS clock...done.
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19:43<retrospectacus>only 10000 seconds per day wrong
19:44<retrospectacus>now start ntp?
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19:45<jeremiah_>retrospectacus: I like ntp - keeps things pretty accurate.
19:46<jeremiah_>look into ntpdate daemon
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19:46*retrospectacus sigh
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19:46<jeremiah_>Oops. Judging by your paste you already are.
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19:46<retrospectacus>yes it is not good enough apparently
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19:49<retrospectacus>dondelelcaro: thanks for that. Now do you think ntp will handle it, or do I have to run adjtimex periodically
19:50<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: ntp should be enough now
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19:50<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: what adjtimex does is bring the system clock reasonably close to reality so that ntp can fine tweak it
19:51<retrospectacus>the speed of the system clock?
19:51<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: but hopefully that will resolve your problem; keep an eye on the lpeers output from ntpq to make sure that you aren't drifting too far away from your clock
19:51<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: right
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19:55<retrospectacus>dondelelcaro: what should I look for? very large offsets?
19:56<dondelelcaro>yes... however, already your configuration looks kind of crap
19:57<dondelelcaro> is closer to what you should be seeing
19:57<retrospectacus>I didn't even do any configurating
19:57<dondelelcaro>are you using debian's default configuration?
19:57<retrospectacus>I think so. I don't recall installing ntp, it may have been done before my time... this is an old server, hence the battery problem..
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19:58<retrospectacus>/etc/ntp.conf looks reasonably vanilla
19:58<dondelelcaro>ah... well, assuming you're using a modern ntp package, the configuration should be using the pool servers, which are primarily stratum 2 instead of the stratum 3 servers you have
19:58<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: if you can paste it, I'll take a glance at it
19:59<retrospectacus>server iburst and 1 2 3.debian... I'll paste
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20:00<dondelelcaro>ah, ok; that looks fine
20:00<dondelelcaro>just kind of odd to see come up
20:00<babilen>retrospectacus: yes, and check with "ntpq -p" that the offset is a bit better :)
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20:01<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: and whereis ntpd; only lists /usr/sbin/ntpq?
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20:01<retrospectacus>dondelelcaro: yes and the man1.gz
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20:03<retrospectacus>the offset is not better
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20:05<retrospectacus>it is rapidly getting much larger
20:05<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: ok. stop ntp; what is the output of adjtimex -p?
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20:08<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: ok, run adjtimex -f 0; and try restarting ntpd
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20:08<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: and then keep an eye on the offset for a while
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20:10<roger_>I'm having trouble with; I tried #debian-mirrors but get no response.
20:12<retrospectacus>roger_: just try another country. maybe that server is down
20:13<retrospectacus>or whatever your next favourite country is ;)
20:13<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: hrm; is it still getting workse?
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20:13<dondelelcaro>s/workse/worse/; is anything else like ntpdate or similar running?
20:13<retrospectacus>dondelelcaro: yes it seems to be. stand by for paste
20:13<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: ok; if it's worse, stop ntpd, and show the output of adjtimex -p
20:14<roger_>Right. I used and it works from there. I can change it to another country but I would have hoped that primary mirrors would be OK. It wasn't working a few days back either.
20:15<themill>roger_: what "trouble" are you experiencing?
20:16<retrospectacus>dondelelcaro: I don't believe there is anything else messing with the time, I don't see anything noteworthy in ps
20:16<roger_>When I issue "sudo aptitude update" I get error messages like
20:16<roger_>Err stable/main Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
20:16<themill>roger_: perhaps put the entire output in a pastebin
20:16<themill>(along with your sources.list)
20:16<retrospectacus>dondelelcaro: that shows it getting worse right?
20:17<roger_>Yes OK how would I do that? (Sorry I am technically-minded but not particularly up on Debian/irc).
20:17<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: cool. stop ntp again, and remove the drift file (rm /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift); and rerun adjtimexconfig
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20:17<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: then start ntpd again
20:17<themill>dpkg: tell roger_ about pastebin
20:17<retrospectacus>alright. thanks for the help dondelelcaro
20:17<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: most likely the drift file has bogus values in it, and it's setting the clock to them before it does anything else
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20:18<retrospectacus>it contained "-67.781"
20:18<retrospectacus>rm'd. waiting for 70s
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20:21<retrospectacus>gonna let this loop go once more and then I'll paste.
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20:23<roger_> if you're still there (mirror issue)
20:23<retrospectacus> I don't think it's good news
20:24<roger_>I've also had messages about untrusted files (I have installed the recent new key)
20:24<dondelelcaro>hrm... that's really crazy
20:24<themill>roger_: you don't quite have the right URL there. It should be "" in each of those lines.
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20:24<themill>roger_: you should also use "squeeze" rather than "stable" in your sources.list to save any nasty surprises in the future
20:24<themill>dpkg: tell roger_ about stable sources.list
20:25<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: this is a real physical machine, right?
20:25<retrospectacus>dondelelcaro: you see line #9 - adjtimex: Invalid argument
20:25<retrospectacus>what might that mean?
20:25<retrospectacus>yes bare metal
20:25<roger_>Grrr everyone recommends using "stable" how are dummies like me supposed to realise this stuff.
20:26<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: that may mean that adjtimex isn't able to talk to the CMOS clock completely
20:26<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: but I'm not totally sure
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20:27<death>need help - using lenny, i have a broken package, libc6
20:27<retrospectacus>dondelelcaro: I han hwclock and it said Tue 15 Mar 2011 07:24:44 PM UTC -0.457443 seconds
20:27<death>i also have no 'ldconfig" in my path
20:27<retrospectacus>that is way off
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20:28<retrospectacus>5 hours behind
20:28<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: yeah, that's hideously off
20:28<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: I'd fix that first
20:28<dondelelcaro>hwclock --systohc; will do that
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20:29<retrospectacus>alright now they are both correct.
20:29<roger_>So lines should be like " deb stable main"?
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20:33<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: ok, try running adjtimexconfig; again and see if it comes up with less ridiculous offsets
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20:35<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: it should be on the order of a few seconds a day at most
20:38<retrospectacus>doesnt look good.
20:38<roger_>So is this a better sources.list: (can someone else look themill was helpful but is gone by the looks of things)
20:38<roger_>It does work by the way, but then so did the last one, sometimes.
20:39<retrospectacus>roger_: looks good
20:39<roger_>Excellent. Thanks for your help.
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20:40<retrospectacus>dondelelcaro: looks like the HW clock is fast?
20:40<death>how do i fix this? dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH.
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20:41<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: it looks like the system clock is fast, actually
20:42<retrospectacus>after "sleep 60" hwclock is an extra 14 seconds ahead compared to "date"
20:43<retrospectacus>death: how did you manage that? You are probably hosed and will have to reinstall.
20:44<roger_>Removed an essential package?
20:44<retrospectacus>yeah libc6 is kind of important
20:44<death>thats what i'm trying to fix
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20:45<roger_>Can you use a recovery disk to fix this?
20:45<death>i managed to find the apt command that i think will fix the installation, except it can't find ldconfig
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20:45<roger_>Use a recovery disk and add its bin and sbin to the path?
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20:47<retrospectacus>dondelelcaro: any more ideas? Otherwise I'm giving up and going home :P
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20:48<roger_> suggests copying the missing binaries then reinstalling the affected package.
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20:49<roger_>death:see my comment above
20:49<retrospectacus> off by one minute after 11 minutes :(((
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20:51<nsadmin>looking to find out how the boot process loads sound modules so I can temporarily disable it
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20:51<retrospectacus>!tell nsadmin about blacklist
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20:55<nsadmin>I understand at least part of the story on blacklisting... udev rules invoke arbitrary code when fired... typically calling modprobe -b foo, which is sensitive to the blacklist status
20:56<nsadmin>but how does the boot process load sound modules?
20:56<nsadmin>I'm looking at...
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20:57<nsadmin>the file /lib/udev/rules.d/80-drivers.rules and trying to understand the catchall rule and to start with, where it is in the file
20:57<retrospectacus>sorry, time for me to go. It's already an hour past beer o'clock
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20:57<retrospectacus>I'm sure someone else here knows about that though
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20:58<nsadmin>np, have good beer/fun
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21:09<iron>how do i get the new version of a certain config file?
21:10<iron>i messed up during dist-upgrade
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21:10<iron>and chose not to update my phpldapadmin config file
21:10<iron>now its broken
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21:11<nsadmin>updating that file means reading a whole new one... that's what you want?
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21:15<iron>nsadmin: yeah. i figured it out :)
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21:15<iron>i found the new one in /usr/share/phpldapadmin/config.php.example
21:16<iron>now it works
21:16<nsadmin>oh, cool. figuring it out yourself is always the best since it's one more thing you can take care of if it breaks again
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21:18<iron>how do i "undo" a wrong answer in the update process?
21:19<iron>so i know for the next time?
21:19<iron>this time i did it manually, but is there some option to ask me the same question again?
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21:21<nsadmin>well that part I'm not sure. an undo facility would be nice
21:22<nsadmin>btw, it presented you with the choice because it thought you (or something) changed it
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21:56<hoho>anybody know a good web stress tool for debian or ubuntu?
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21:57<nsadmin>depends on what you mean by web and by stress
21:57<nsadmin>what specifically do you want to stress
21:57<hoho>the load performance
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21:58<hoho>to see how many user the server can handle
21:59<nsadmin>hmm. users? I'm not sure how that applies
21:59<DrSampler>what kind of server? http server? ftp? or something else
21:59<nsadmin>do you have admin control over the web server you want to stress? is it yours?
22:00<hoho>http server
22:00<hoho>yes its mine
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22:00<DrSampler>a lot
22:01<nsadmin>by "user" do you mean the web server has an active component that has the concept of "a user"?
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22:02<nsadmin>a static web server does not have "user" as a concept
22:03<hoho>just a web site with a database
22:03<nsadmin>so it is active
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22:04<hoho>the website will be accessed by for about 500,000 users
22:04<hoho>i need to run some test to it
22:05<hoho>so i would like to have a recommendation of a good web performance tester
22:06<DrSampler>if you allow execution of php/cgi scripts, or host some cpu - intensive stuff like torrent tracker, probably your box wont handle 500 000+
22:06<nsadmin>certainly not simultaneously
22:06<DrSampler>i'd say, like 5000-10000 people max
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22:09<nsadmin>but with http there is not "user" without building software on the web server to understand and handle these things. there is "request" and "response"
22:09<nsadmin>and my guess is that's what you want to test
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22:10<nsadmin>but you're not being so specific about any of this... so, a trip to google is indicated
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22:18<nsadmin>will blacklisting snd have the effect of blacklisting modules that depend on it (such as any snd-*)?
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22:20<nsadmin>ok, and is it (perhaps indirectly) by the udev mechanism that the sound modules get loaded (under squeeze)?
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23:15<baethan>can get my gdm to work, where to begin trouble shooting? using SID
23:15<baethan>can't get my gdm to work, where to begin trouble shooting? using SID
23:15<kev>What's wrong with it?
23:16<baethan>kev, I honestly don't know --
23:17<baethan>tried /etc/init.d/gdm start and no reaction whatsoever
23:17<Tiff>If you don't know, we're hardly going to know.
23:17<Tiff>Xorg log?
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23:18<kev>Maybe reinstall then see what happens?
23:18<baethan>actually, something went wrong when I power on my desktop --
23:18<baethan>something about kernel panic
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23:18<baethan>and I panic --
23:19<baethan>tried to do a full upgrade
23:19<kev>Maybe the full-upgrade broke some depedencies
23:19<baethan>and also tried e2fsck in /usr partition where there are a lot of error
23:20<baethan>maybe that's it -- i don't know how to repair dependency problems
23:21<baethan>I don't want to re-install because I have a lot of setup in this computer -- if possible, just a dependency repair -- how to?
23:21<kev>Yeah, by reinstalling I meant programs and stuff
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23:22<baethan>I'd like that, only I don't know where to look for reports about erring programs and stuff....
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23:22<Griob>can i ask a question about ssh here, or should i use another chan?
23:22<kev>Like try reinstalling gdm, the linux kernel, and your windows/desktop manager
23:23<kev>I know nothing about ssh, so im no help
23:23<sney>Griob: go ahead and ask
23:23<Griob>When i connect to my desktop via ssh it works, but a message shows up: "Could not open a connection to your authentication agent." How do i fix it?
23:24<Tiff>baethan: I think you should stop guessing the problem and provide log files and error messages you're seeing, some of which may be obtainable from dmesg or /var/log/Xorg.0.log (for gdm/x issues) then someone may be able to tell you something more concrete. Right now you're essentially just saying "it doesn't work" without really helping anyone assist you.
23:27<baethan>Tiff: thanks, that's why I was asking about where to get those error reports -- I'd like to start from errors in my apt-get -f install
23:27<baethan>the errors scrolls up so I don't know how to 'read' them again
23:27<baethan>here is one error:
23:28<kev>baethan: try installing "gnome-system-log"
23:28<baethan>debconf: Perl may be unconfigured (CAn't locate Carp/ in @INC....
23:28<Tiff>baethan: you can pipe a command's output to a file if you wish, e.g: ls -al > file.txt
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23:30<baethan>okay, I think I can do that
23:32<baethan>why do i always get the error perl maybe unconfigured when doing apt-get -f install?
23:33<nsadmin>you can also (install pastebinit if you don't have it and) cat file.txt | pastebinit and/or ls -al | pastebinit
23:33<baethan>nsadmin: are you addressing me?
23:34<nsadmin>well anyone can
23:34<nsadmin>which means you can too
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23:34<Tiff>baethan: sounds like you have partially configured packages or w/e
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23:35<nsadmin>technically I'm not addressing anyone... but you can use the info if you want
23:35<baethan>Tiff: yes I believe I do
23:35<Tiff>baethan: perhaps try this to configure any pending packages that are unconfigured: # dpkg --configure -a
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23:35<baethan>Tiff: I'll do that'
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23:36<baethan>Tiff: can I post errors here? it's a lot of lines ---
23:36<Griob>pastebin my friend
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23:37<baethan>Griob: sorry, I don't understand
23:37<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
23:37<sney>baethan: he said the same thing I did, really
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23:38<baethan>Okay, I'll try that. sorry -- not yet that good at using irc.
23:38<nsadmin>ignore the high-handedness... I very much appreciate that you asked before doing it
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23:39<nsadmin>(I have no power here. I appreciate your attention to detail)
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23:41<baethan>okay: this is the error I get-->
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23:41<baethan>that, okay?
23:42<nsadmin>irc just isn't the greatest medium for tech support... it needs other stuff like pastebin sites
23:43<baethan>:) okay!
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23:44<Kevin1a>I need to know the name of the package that supplies the update utility that resides in the System>Administration>Update Manager. It appears to be missing on my system, and I would like to remedy that.
23:45<baethan>Did anyone get the error I sent in pastebin:
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23:46<sney>baethan: is that the result of a command? or what?
23:46<Griob>When i connect to my desktop via ssh it works, but a message shows up: "Could not open a connection to your authentication agent." How do i fix it?
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23:46<sney>baethan: please remember that we are not at your computer with you. also, we see lots of problems every day, so we don't always remember what to do about all of them
23:46<baethan>it's the result of dpkg --configure -a
23:47<sney>baethan: try aptitude -f install
23:48<baethan>sney: okay
23:48<Tiff>baethan: libc6-dev, libc6-i386 were installed from Sid?
23:48<Tiff>Those are looking for sid versions as opposed to Wheezy versions.
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23:49<baethan>Tiff: as far as I know, I started from lenny then upgrade to sid some years ago
23:49<Tiff>You seem to have Wheezy libc6 installed, but those other packages need libc6 to be pulled from sid.
23:49<Tiff>You're running unsupported mixed system.
23:49<sney>baethan: if aptitude doesn't fix you, I'd say to back up /home (and maybe /etc) and reinstall.
23:50<baethan>Tiff: I'd like to run from SID -- that's what I intend but I must have broken it somehow
23:50<sney>!broken in sid
23:50<dpkg>Well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. See <sid>, <break>.
23:50<Tiff>Sid is unstable. It breaks. You shouldn't really be running Sid unless you have the experience and knowledge to run it, imo.
23:51<Tiff>It's not for end users
23:51<Tiff>It'll lead exactly to situations like this. :)
23:52<baethan>I've been able to keep up with the 'brokeness' of sid these past 2 years -- until now :)
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23:55<kev>nano /etc/apt/sources.list
23:55<kev>and comment (#) any repo outside of sid main
23:56<sney>baethan: well, it's not supported here, so I'd highly recommend that you read all of the man pages relating to apt, and sort it out yourself.
23:56<baethan>kev, i'll check it out
23:57<dEhiN>is there a channel for sid users?
23:57<kev>then try "aptitude update; aptitude keep-all"
23:57<baethan>sney: what I am doing -- of course, IRC gets me the speed of checking things out, right?
23:57<sney>the speed of checking things out?
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