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00:03<baethan>sney: for lack of a good term, yes, much faster with irc than just doing it with myself.
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00:07<kev>baethan: anything new?
00:08<baethan>kev, checked the sources.list --> only got sid repo
00:08<kev>did you update?
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00:12<baethan>kev: this is the error I get with i did the update and keep all: http://paste.debian.net/110816/
00:14<baethan>I'm thinking my Perl may not be working properly
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00:21<kev>You could try removing old packages then trying to update libc6
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00:24<baethan>kev: i'll try anything, thanks
00:26<kev>baethan: See if this returns any errors: "aptitude -s autoclean; aptitude -sy upgrade libc6"
00:27<kev>baethan: -s just means it's only gonna simulate the actions
00:28<baethan>where does aptitude 'saves' all packages when doing an install?
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00:30<kev>baethan: No clue but that command I wrote up removes all old packages that might still be on your system from the past unsuccessful upgrade
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00:34<baethan>kev: I've picked some trouble shooting tips from the debian forum -- 2007 it's about installing perl-base using dpkp, am doing an aptitude update now and see what happens
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01:07<kendall>can you use IRC in the default debian stable install?
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01:08<vook>yep
01:08<vook>just install irssi
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01:09<vook>if you want to be super paranoid like me, make a user named after your nick, make that users shell /usr/bin/irssi, and give that user's home directory 0100 permissions
01:09<vook>then su - kendall into irssi
01:12<kendall>ty. ok another concern i have is the speed. I used the live cd (on a usb flash drive) for hours today it was reeeeeally slow at times. how do I make it faster? i know actually installing it will make it faster, though i dont know if that's enough.
01:12<kendall>was thinking of switching from Gnome to xfce.
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01:12<sney>livecds are a bit slow whenever they have to load something from the disc
01:12<sney>using xfce is also a good way to keep resource usage down
01:13<sney>or any other wm/de that isn't gnome or kde
01:13<vook>yeah, not much you can do with a live cd to make it faster - though using xfce, as sney said, is a good choice.
01:13<vook>unless you can manage to get the system to a ram drive
01:15<MrFrood> slitaz loads everything into a ram disk - that speeds things up
01:15<vook>there is a way to copy the live cd ISO to the hard drive and then, at boot, point to the hard drive iso.
01:17<sney>yeah, a live usb image can be booted from any hd-media. but it's usually wiser to just do the install.
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01:20<kendall>the installation guide says to check the MD5 on the CD-ROM, but doesn't mention if you're using a USB thumb flash drive. wat do? Just assume it copied okay?
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01:21<kendall>the md5 is good for the copy on my HDD btw
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01:23<sney>kendall: boot from it and see if it works
01:23<kendall>it did. is that a good enough test tho?
01:23<sney>md5 is a double-check. optional.
01:23<kendall>k
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01:31<phillipsjk>I installed Debian Squeeze on a second hard-disk and the Grub installation step failed. Lilo was able to install after I specified the first disk, but the Wins Installation was ignored. Is this a known bug, or just sufficiently weird installation?
01:32<phillipsjk>s/Wins/WinXP
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01:33<sney>phillipsjk: lilo doesn't have intelligent OS detection support the way grub does
01:33<sney>if you know where your winxp install is, the syntax for adding it to lilo.conf is as simple as googling "windows xp lilo"
01:35<phillipsjk>The machine is off at the moment. the root partition is only 500MB (/usr is 9GB), I wonder if I ran out of disk space. Should be easy enough to check with du.
01:36<sney>or df
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01:43<phillipsjk>okay, /dev/sdb1 is 59% in use
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01:44<phillipsjk>(root)
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01:50<phillipsjk>weird; tried 'apt-get install grub' as root, cant find the file on the mirror (http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main os-prober i386 1.42) (CD-rom worked)
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01:52<MrFrood>grub-pc?
01:52<MrFrood>aptitude search grub
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01:53<retrospectacus>,versions os-prober
01:53<judd>Package os-prober on i386 -- lenny: 1.28; squeeze: 1.42; wheezy: 1.42; sid: 1.44
01:53<vook>phillipsjk: if you don't have a /var partition - a root partition of that size could cause problems. If so, you may think about moving /var to /usr/.var, then doing a 'ln -s /usr/.var /var'
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01:54<phillipsjk>vook that's what I was planing in doing. I heard journalling filesystems are not good for boot partitions.
01:55<vook>not good for /boot specifically
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01:55<nsadmin>what you may have also heard is some filesystem types work with grub and some dont
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01:56<gnod>join
01:56<vook>not a big deal though really - as long as it boots.
01:56<gnod>hey
01:56<gnod>can anyone help me
01:56<nsadmin>if you have a separate /boot, it only applies to /boot partition, but if you don't, then it applies to /
01:56<gnod>someone help me plz
01:56<vook>!ask
01:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
01:57<gnod>i don't know how to install wireless driver
01:57<nsadmin>ask a task, mister Trask... bask wearing a mask.
01:57<gnod>when i type make install i got error
01:57<vook>do you know the chipset ?
01:57<phillipsjk>I am fixing up a computer (hardware failure) for a friend. They don't want to give up Windows, so disk space is limited :)
01:58<vook>gnod - what model pc ?
01:58<retrospectacus>gnod: throw away whatever you're trying to do there and read this http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
01:58<nsadmin>or just pastebin the output of lspci -nn'
01:58<nsadmin>and if judd is here, we can ask it for chipset and kernel module name
01:59<gnod>what do you mean
01:59<nsadmin>run lspci -nn
01:59<gnod>rt1870
01:59<nsadmin>that will give you a buncha lines
01:59<nsadmin>you can put that in a
01:59<nsadmin>!pastebin
01:59<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
02:00<kendall>dpkg is a bot right?
02:00<dpkg>kendall: i don't know
02:00<nsadmin>well there you have it!
02:00<gnod>vook: hey
02:01<vook>gnod: some kind of realtek
02:01<gnod>?
02:01<retrospectacus>gnod: just do what nsadmin said and tell us the url
02:01<nsadmin>gnod, you understand what | and > are?
02:02<nsadmin>yeeah! always do what I say!
02:02<nsadmin>no, just kidding
02:02<retrospectacus>we all do. Otherwise bad things start happening
02:03<nsadmin>like, I start saying "slooowly I turned... step by step, inch by inch I crept.."
02:03<kendall>dpkg is self-aware
02:03<dpkg>kendall: I give up, what is it?
02:03<vook>gnod: listen to nsadmin :) rt1870 doesn't seem to be giving me much info on google. type 'lspci -nn', then copy and paste the contents to paste.debian.net, post it, and give us the link.
02:03<kendall>dpkg
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02:03<root_>hey
02:03<root_>i'm back
02:03<nsadmin>hay's for horses
02:04<root_>the chipseeeet is ralinkk rt2870/3070
02:04<root_>someone help me i can't install the driver for that wifi
02:04<nsadmin>woudl be a good thing to get that thing that looks like [abcd:1234]
02:05<phillipsjk>I think my second attempt to install grub succeeded because it asked more questions. (I had the installer set to not bug me much)
02:05<nsadmin>which you get if you run lspci -nn
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02:05<vook>gnod: is it a usb wireless ?
02:06<kendall>how do I keep debian automatically updated?
02:06<root_>yes
02:06<kendall>the entire thing
02:06<nsadmin>you sure you want to do that?
02:06<vook>yep
02:06<retrospectacus>kendall: apt-get update
02:06<nsadmin>surprises loom
02:06<kendall>k ty
02:06<retrospectacus>I mean upgrade
02:06<retrospectacus>apt-get upgrade
02:07<vook>root_/gnod - you really shouldn't use IRC as root - but anyway...
02:07<kendall>cuz i will figure things out on my own but the system should obviously always be updated :)
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02:08<nsadmin>not so obvious tho... if things work before upgrading, then upgrading on top of that is a fairly extreme action requiring some thought about things like which thing do you want to upgrade
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02:09<root_>anyone know to install usb wireless for linux???
02:09<nsadmin>is the thing connected?
02:09<nsadmin>if so try ifconfig wlan0
02:09<vook>root_: try modprobe rt2870sta - there is a an article about it on wiki.debian.org, but it seems to be down. You may need firmware too.
02:09<nsadmin>and see if it's (1) error or (2) paragraph
02:09<kendall>just out of curiousity, is anyone else not using debian right now? :O
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02:10*nsadmin is such a user...
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02:11*phillipsjk is using gnewsense ATM (Debian does not support this machine yet)
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02:12<vook>kendall: a lot of updates need user interaction - unless you always wish to use your configuration files or the distributors.
02:13<vook>I just run 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade' regularly and keep an eye on security issues.
02:13<kendall>is there a way for newbs to keep it automatically updated?
02:13<kendall>k
02:13<phillipsjk>I thought updates in Debian are usually for bug-fixes only. No configuration files should need changing.
02:14<jm_>!tell kendall -about cron-apt
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02:14<kendall>oh yeah i read about that
02:14<gnod>can anyone help me please
02:14<vook>gnod - does 'iwconfig' provide anything ?
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02:16<vook>gnod: you may need firmware-ralink
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02:18<vook>gnod - there it goes - head here : http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta
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02:22<vook>yep - it looks like you just need to do 'aptitude install firmware-ralink wireless-tools' - then modprobe rt2870sta. then run 'iwconfig' to find out what the interface name is (probably wlan0). then maybe install wicd 'aptitide install wicd-client wicd-curses wicd-gtk', then run wicd
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02:32<nsadmin>under lenny or possibly before, sound modules were loaded by a script written by alsaconfig...
02:33<nsadmin>I have lots of questions here, the first of which is how does squeeze know what snd* modules to load?
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02:35<vook>I'm wondering why after a recent update, my gnome desktop now contains the contents of $HOME rather than $HOME/desktop
02:36<vook>and how to fix it
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02:38<vook>maybe there's something in the configuration editor
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02:45<MagicBen>hi there
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02:49<phillipsjk>Are the country mirrors just redirectors to the secondary mirrors?
02:50<vook>i wonder when/if LibraOffice is going to replace OpenOffice
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02:52<phillipsjk>LibreOffice was my first use of bittorrent for downloading a Windows executable. Knowing Debian, probably next major release unless something drastic happens.
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02:57<jm_>libreoffice is already in debian
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03:10<vook>ah, I see, I spelled it wrong
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03:20<phillipsjk>You mean that typo was a copy&paste? I suppose the other explanation is that Tu ne parle pas Français.
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03:29*phillipsjk wonders how bad an idea it is to point /home to /users on an NTFS
03:30<phillipsjk>ntfs3g support preserving permissions if you give it a list.
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03:33<Morou>hi
03:33<Morou>why i can't install on debian 6.0 dhcp server? I put aptitude install dhcp3-server and after that i dont have /etc/dhcp3 folder
03:34<Morou>http://paste.debian.net/110829/
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03:37<jm_>Morou: because this is a transitional package
03:37<jm_>install this instead: isc-dhcp-server
03:37<jm_>or wait, that was already installed but you may want to mark it as manualyl installed
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03:38<Morou>will be right back
03:41<milo>can i as for help here
03:41<jm_>!tell milo -about ask
03:43<milo>dual monitor suppor on knoppix live is there a way to test it on the live cd ?
03:43<jm_>!knoppix
03:43<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
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03:44<milo>thank y ou
03:44<Morou>jm: but in all manuals on internet people says: if you want install dhcp serwer on debian 6 make apt-get install dhcp3-server
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03:45<jm_>Morou: outdated manuals
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03:46<Morou>jm_: gei info: will not install any packages, or not update if i put apt-get install isc-dhcp-server
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03:47<jm_>Morou: note that I said you already have it installed (because dhcp3-server depends on it)
03:47<Morou>jm_: so where are the correct config files?
03:47<jm_>Morou: uhm dpkg -L isc-dhcp-server
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03:48<Morou>jm_: oh ok i get it
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04:15<milo>dual monitor support ??? i am using two monitors on a 8800 gts
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04:17<jthm>using what driver?
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04:18<milo>used knoppix
04:18<jthm>this channel is for debian
04:18<milo>i know this is debian but knoppix is a knockoff of it
04:19<jm_>milo: sure, but it still is not supported here
04:19<jthm>I think there's a #knoppix (possibly on irc.freenode.net)
04:19<jm_>he's been told about it about 35 min ago
04:19<jthm>ah sorry for the noie then
04:19<milo>ahh yes not helpfull noone is talking must be the time diference
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04:20<jm_>but anyway - nvidia driver suipports twinview and it's explained in their README file
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04:21<milo>thanks
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05:07<sidh>Greetings
05:07<sidh>I've recently migrated from ubuntu to debian wheezy, and I have a minor problem : I use a french setting of keyboard and before the right alt key was the meta key, and when I pressed right alt + o i had a symbole "e in o" but now i have ô, so what do i have to configure to have the original behaviour ?
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05:21<MrMan>Has anyone else had the same issue I'm having with Debian 6.0? I"m running a Debian 6.0 DomU under Xen, and while I can manually connect to the xen virtual block devices, it seems udevd will not make the device nodes on it's own.
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05:27<SynrG>!anyone
05:27<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
05:27<SynrG>MrMan: anyway, no, not personally
05:27<SynrG>but i don't use xen :p
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05:35<MrMan>SynrG, don't worry. I wasn't hoping for much. I know not many people use xen. It's just I'm leaning toward the problem being in in udevd, except it works as Dom0. So I was just hoping for confermation before learning however much about udevd that I will have to know to know I'm wrong. -_-
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05:42<vook>has bfs been incorporated into 2.6.38 ? I see that kolivas hasn't released a patch since 2.6.37.
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05:47<jm_>vook: no
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05:58<baethan>how do I safely put my /usr partition in order? I'm using Debian SID
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05:58<vook>how do you mean ?
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06:00<vook>baethan: what do you mean "in order" ?
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06:01<Some_Person>Where can I find libavcodec-extra-52 for squeeze?
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06:07<vook>Some_Person: if you google it, you can find src packages for ffmpeg-extra
06:07<vook>that's where it's derived from
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06:18<SynrG>MrMan: all i can offer is that you look for bugs related to the topic, then
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06:24<baethan>vook:ldconfig gave me lots of error during aptitude install, update
06:25<baethan>what are suppose to be files became directories
06:25<jm_>baethan: usually file system corruption
06:25<baethan>other are deemed not ELF files, whatever that is
06:25<baethan>jm_: I believe I corrupted my /usr partition
06:25<jm_>baethan: you manually corrupted it?
06:26<baethan>that's why I want to repair it -- don't want a re-install of everythin (last resort)
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06:27<baethan>I have some config that's working that I won't like to loose -- especially since I didn't have a list of all those apps I'm running
06:27<baethan>I tried, resolving things, file by file -- it's tedious but the only thing that works so far, so slow
06:28<jm_>you need to sort out the filesystem first; after that you can reinstall problematic packages (debsums shall help)
06:28<baethan>I'd like to know the command for knowing which package a file came from...?
06:28<jm_>dpkg -S
06:28<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, jm_
06:29<baethan>debsums? is that a command?
06:29<jm_>yes
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06:31<baethan>jm_: okay, I'll try using debsums, I believe I sorted my filesystem already. Thanks
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06:33<baethan>jm_: debsums seems to be checking for md5 checksums -- how will this help me?
06:34<baethan>will it fix my files for me?
06:34<jm_>baethan: it will tell you which files need to be replaced, won't it?
06:34<jm_>no
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06:35<SynrG>baethan: how do you think the corruption occurred? if the disk is failing, repairing it in place may be a losing battle.
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06:35<baethan>I see, that's okay.
06:36<baethan>SynrG: I got a kernel panic when i opened my computer -- I panicked and tried to do a full-upgrade instead of e2fsck first....
06:36<SynrG>more particularly, if the disk is failing, any disk activity (e.g. running debsums over the whole thing) may hasten its death
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06:37<baethan>I don't believe it is a failing hdd. as I have belatedly used e2fsck and things seems to be working without a hitch except for this files that got jumbled.
06:38<SynrG>so you have suspend issues
06:38<SynrG>or hibernate
06:38<baethan>suspend issues if that is the term, yes
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06:39<SynrG>i would think a panic after a suspend would, in and of itself, be insufficient to corrupt files ... but who knows
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06:40<SynrG>e2fsck found errors?
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06:41<baethan>yes, something about inodes -- I don't recall
06:42<baethan>and things that I just answered yes to -- a lot of them
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06:43<jm_>:)
06:43<baethan>sorry, I sound like an idiot -- but I don't understand them and just wanted everything fixed. was kind of thinking of my tasks....
06:43<baethan>and fixing this isn't one of the them
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06:43<SynrG>a lot? a dozen? several dozen?
06:43<baethan>now I am resolve to getting this done
06:44<baethan>several dozens, yes
06:44<SynrG>and you didn't happen to write down filepaths when you did it?
06:44<baethan>was ask to fix somethings on one and two passes I think
06:44<SynrG>(this is what i usually do)
06:45<baethan>yes I didn't --> it's quite a lot, not thinking rational at the time
06:45<SynrG>i would then proceed to apt-get install --reinstall each package containing files that are affected (of course any data not from the package, such as log files and whatnot is lost)
06:45<baethan>it's all new and unwanted problem for me
06:45<SynrG>so you did an apt-get upgrade without first rebooting from a kernel panic?
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06:46<SynrG>just trying to understand what happened here in case it's something more serious that needs a different approach.
06:47<baethan>i did a reboot twice with the same kernel panic
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06:48<SynrG>always panicing after resuming from suspend? was each panic followed by a reboot before you did anything else (i.e. the apt-get upgrade in particular)
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06:48<SynrG>i just want to know what state the kernel was in
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06:49<baethan>......yes
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06:50<baethan>oh
06:50<SynrG>ok. so then after the panic, you did an abrupt power off?
06:50<SynrG>*that* would be the cause of the corruption
06:50<SynrG>though i should think that would force a fsck on the next boot
06:50<baethan>after a reboot I tried the safe mode to do the upgrade
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06:51<SynrG>it didn't detect an unclean shutdown and force fsck?
06:51<baethan>i didn't shutdown the unit -- just reboots
06:51<baethan>I think it did
06:51<SynrG>oh. was it a clean reboot, then, or an abrupt power off?
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06:52<baethan>abrupt power off
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06:52<baethan>then I also used a live cd to do the e2fsck
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06:54<SynrG>hmm. well. did an fsck during boot pick up/try to correct any errors before you did your apt upgrade?
06:55<baethan>it did -- also there are files in /home/lost+found that I need checking (something message me about this) the file is gone now....
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06:56<SynrG>ok. well, in the case of lost+found, generally all you can do is see if the files contain fragments of data you care about ... and make the best of it with what data you can recover from them, or else see if you can identify from their contents if they came from some package ...
06:56<SynrG>and reinstall the package.
06:57<SynrG>how is your system partitioned? is the damage confined to one partition or does it affect more than one?
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06:57<SynrG>you said you're using sid. what was the purpose of the exercise? trying to solve some specific problem or just curious?
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06:58<baethan>just curious, I guess -- didn't have any problem like this before
06:58<SynrG>at this point i'm not convinced that you're not going to end up with even more filesystem corruption. i can see how an upgrade after filesystem damage might have *worsened* existing corruption ...
06:59<baethan>and I don't think it's sid that's broken
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06:59<SynrG>but the worrying thing is how the corruption happened in the first place. maybe revert to the squeeze kernel for now?
07:00<baethan>no, I think I've made it 'stable' for now
07:00<baethan>I would like to make gdm work now
07:00<SynrG>sorry. i've hit you with a barrage of questions and you've only managed to answer about half of them ... i guess you can proceed now to debsums
07:00<SynrG>and apt-get install --reinstall any package that has mismatches
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07:00<CaBa>hi
07:01<baethan>apt-get -f install didn't do anything also apt-get safe-upgrade --
07:01<CaBa>i'm having trouble with my i/o... its a mdraid(lvm(crypto())) setup and i/o blocks sometimes...
07:01<SynrG>then monitor to system closely. if you're continuing to see corruption pop up, make sure it isn't hardware that is failing, and if you're convinced it's not, try downgrading your kernel.
07:01<baethan>I'm guessing that my system is quite okay....
07:01<SynrG>well, you could have corrupted files everywhere still.
07:02<baethan>yes, I'll try to sort thme out
07:02<SynrG>when fsck fixes errors, it undoes the corruption, but very often there is still data loss ...
07:02<CaBa>when i kill a process accessing files on the volume that is currently blocked they remain in uninterruptable sleep state and thats it
07:02<CaBa>any clue how i could debug this?
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07:03<SynrG>e.g. it might find multiple files pointing at the same block. now, it will clone the block so each file only has one copy, but only *one* of those files will be intact. the other will have a copy of a block from the other file in it now.
07:03<aset>h lo
07:03<aset>hery hi
07:03<aset>wassup ppl
07:03<CaBa>oh... i got oops'ed and i didnt even see it
07:03<aset>wm kfgklmtrh\
07:03<SynrG>and when directories are involved, the corruption can be far worse
07:03<aset>fuch u ppl
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07:04<baethan>I used a script file name smxi to do some of my updates, that okay?
07:04<SynrG>!ops aset meaningless chatter, abusive language
07:04<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: synrg complains about: aset meaningless chatter, abusive language
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07:05<SynrG>tnx
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07:05<baethan>how do I know version of a package I installed -- what's the command?
07:06<SynrG>CaBa: i've had that happen too, and no, no idea. :/ in my case, a misbehaving network filesystem.
07:06<SynrG>CaBa: ah, kernel oops would certainly not help :)
07:06<CaBa>SynrG: aes_x86_64
07:07<CaBa>oh wrong paste
07:07<CaBa>SynrG: http://pastebin.com/gmF3gem2
07:07<CaBa>SynrG: seems its more a crypto issue
07:07<SynrG>baethan: huh? your script filename surely doesn't matter? :)
07:07<SynrG>baethan: or else explain what your concern is. i don't understand.
07:07<CaBa>SynrG: with kcryptd crashing its kinda expected to freeze i/o :P
07:08<baethan>never mind about the script, sorry.
07:08<SynrG>baethan: apt-cache policy <packagename>
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07:12<baethan>SynrG: thanks -- what is the command for reinstalling my gnome desktop?
07:14<SynrG>well, it needs to be done package-by-package i think ... you want to know which packages were affected.
07:14<SynrG>!tell baethan about reinstall
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07:16<baethan>?
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07:18<SynrG>baethan: check your messages. the bot sent you the 'reinstall' factoid
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07:18<baethan>SynrG: I see, thanks!
07:19<SynrG>at the risk of sounding preachy ... what you've just gone through is why we don't recommend unstable here to users.
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07:20<SynrG>officially the policy is to not offer support to those who do. generally you're expected to both expect and find solutions for stuff like this on your own if you're an unstable user.
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07:24<baethan>SynrG: I usually does fine working with my unstable -- but I believe this situation is the same even when using the stable version
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07:26<SynrG>baethan: you've had kernel panics with the stable kernel?
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07:27<baethan>I really don't know why the kernel panic happened
07:27<SynrG>baethan: and whether it is "usually fine" or not is not what's at issue ... it's the high degree of assistance you needed to solve this problem. this indicates to me you may not be ready for unstable.
07:30<nutterpc>i dont think ive ever had a kernel panic
07:30<nutterpc>unless i did something REALLY stupid
07:30<baethan>SynrG: As to that, I can't say you are wrong. I was careless about the kernel panic.
07:30<nutterpc>apart from that, plain sailing here
07:30<baethan>nutterpc: exactly
07:32<SynrG>anyway ...
07:32<SynrG></preachy>
07:32<SynrG>:)
07:32<nutterpc>SynrG, whats been happenin man
07:32<baethan>that was okay, I needed that. reminds me to be more careful with my desktop :D
07:33<nutterpc>baethan, follow the mortein principle
07:33<nutterpc>when ur on a good thing
07:33<nutterpc>STICK TO IT
07:33<nutterpc>lol
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07:33<baethan>nutterpc: I believe I do :D
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07:34<nutterpc>then dont mess with unstable unless ur prepared for pain :)
07:34<nutterpc>or have a lot of exp with it, lol
07:34<nutterpc>if u want unstable, go gentoo
07:35<baethan>SynrG and others are really helpful -- I'm sure I'm just bugging them with very basic questions...
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07:35<baethan>I'm prepared for the pain -- I gained a lot from it!
07:35<SynrG>nutterpc: ah, nothing much. but #debian-offtopic might be better to chat about what *kind* of nothing much? :)
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07:36<baethan>I've been in Debian for more than 5 years now to look for other distro --
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07:36<baethan>oh yea, i use ubuntu as well -- for evangelizing windose user...
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07:37<baethan>SynrG: Thanks for your patience and tips -- I hope I'm not a bother to this channel with my problem.
07:38<a931bw>Lithuanian mirror broken :(
07:38<a931bw>W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.litnet.lt_debian_dists_wheezy_contrib_binary-i386_Packages Hash Sum mismatch
07:38<SynrG>baethan: np. i'm a little bit of a soft touch when it comes to desperate users with a day-wrecking problem :)
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08:50<cobe571>a question: iceweasel does not correctly display Chinese and Japanese characters. I tried changing the encoding from iso-8859-1 to utf-8 . it do not works. how can I do?
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08:53<OdyX>cobe571: you possibly lack font packages.
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08:55<cobe571>Odyx: here's a clean build debian 6.0.0... i can see arabic and hindi characters very well. if you suggest to install font packages ill try
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08:57<cobe571>thank you OdyX
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09:07<tone>when I do cfdisk on a drive it shows FREE SPACE and no filesytem, but I can mount it and see files upon it. What gives?
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09:09<petemc>tone: what does fdisk -l say ?
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09:15<tone>petemc: one moment and i'll tell you
09:16<tone>invalid option -- 'l'
09:16<jm_>tone: fdisk, not cfdisk
09:16<tone>ah
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09:17<jm_>besides, who says the drive was partitioned?
09:18<tone>Disk /dev/sdc: 4000 MB
09:18<tone>jm_: petemc: even if it wasn't it it should show a file system on it, without partitions.
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09:19<jm_>tone: not really - one can do mkfs /dev/sdc just like you can say mkfs /dev/sdc1
09:19<jm_>granted, it's not a good practice, but ...
09:19<JoKeR>guys i need help i looked everywhere i cant find a pinguy OS chat help...pls can someone help me
09:21<JoKeR>?
09:21<tone>jm_: hmm, and then you'd have a filesytem on the disk, but no partitions defined?
09:21<petemc>JoKeR: you could try ##linux on freenode
09:21<jm_>tone: correct
09:21<JoKeR>thank you so much
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09:22<JoKeR>sigh one guy on can u help me with my error?
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09:22<petemc>irc.freenode.net
09:22<petemc>its a different network]
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09:23<JoKeR>okie thanks
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09:23<petemc>np
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09:27<abcd82>i'm reading cruft's changelog "...least it will let us survive the incoming revolution in dpkg
09:27<abcd82> database...." Revolution? Its something to do with http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=69192 ?
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09:31<jm_>heh I'd rather buy a SSD to solv ethe speed issue
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09:32<koollman>I like bugs that start with 'Now that potato has been released' :)
09:33<jm_>heh
09:33<koollman>you know you're reading some real historical document ;)
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09:33<karthikeyan>hi
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09:34<JoKeR>petemc: Still nothing
09:34<JoKeR>can i post my error maybe u know how to fix it?
09:35<abcd82>jm_: SSD for older hardware, really not an option :)
09:35<JoKeR>its an error that has come up on devian before
09:35<JoKeR>debian
09:35<JoKeR>Details: Failed to fork (Cannot allocate memory)
09:36<petemc>get more ram
09:36<JoKeR>i have 2 gb?
09:36<koollman>find what has used all your ram, then
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09:38<JoKeR>it says my ram is only 26% in use?
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09:39<petemc>JoKeR: do you get that message for all commands or one in particular?
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09:39<JoKeR>all
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09:40<JoKeR>when i try install
09:40<petemc>check dmesg / syslog / messages
09:40<JoKeR>its not even installed
09:41<JoKeR>sigh im brand new to linux...where do i check that?
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09:41<petemc>JoKeR: pinguy list an irc channel and a web forum on the front page of their site
09:42<JoKeR>okay okay ...thanks anyway
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09:46<SynrG>nsadmin: curious. so my unanswered question about your problem with sata + snd_hda_intel is, which is really at fault? sata driver? hda_intel driver? neither (BIOS)? i guess there's a bug here and until it is filed nobody gets the benefit of our lengthy expenditure of time on it.
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09:47<SynrG>nsadmin: btw, even if you updated to latest BIOS and the problem still persists does not rule out BIOS as the problem.
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09:54<nsadmin>SynrG, well I really don't know... it must be some kind of interaction, either that or it's not the fault of either, and it's either the hardware (possible I guess) or the bios
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09:56<nsadmin>SynrG, I'd be up for finding out too, altho after blacklisting snd_hda_intel the disk is fast on reads again
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09:56<SynrG>poor workaround, since now you have no sound (which includes system beeps :P)
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09:57<nsadmin>yeah, agreed...
09:57<nsadmin>sigh... would be nice
09:57<SynrG>using 2.6.32 right? you might try a more recent kernel ...
09:57<SynrG>or at least more recent alsa
09:57<nsadmin>I could do that
09:58<nsadmin>at the moment I'm preparing an android dev env on it
09:58<SynrG>module-assistant can be used to build/install a newer alsa.
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09:59<nsadmin>well it might be prudent to see what the alsa folks did since .32
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10:00<SynrG>cat /proc/asound/version and compare with latest upstream release#
10:00<nsadmin>you may recall I flashed the bios, and while I still have a working machine (WHEW!), it didn't address the issue
10:00<SynrG>yeah. but that just rules out solved BIOS issues, not unsolved ones :p
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10:01<nsadmin>the dell driver site said it only fixed a coupla cosmetic issues
10:02<SynrG>bleah. that really is the strongest line of inquiry, but the one we can do the least about :/
10:02<SynrG>i guess see if there are any upstream reports on the kernel about your hardware.
10:02<SynrG>in addition to alsa
10:03<nsadmin>well, what we know is (as far as bios), as shipped the machine had bios version A08 which was made available this year... the version I flashed onto the laptop was A09
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10:04<nsadmin>I'd say we'd need our ducks in a row before contacting dell and risking the issue not having to do with the bios and looking like, umm, fools...
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10:06<SynrG>mhm. i don't know how to go about proving a BIOS issue, and all we have is a hunch
10:07<SynrG>it seems logical that we should find some bug somewhere resembling your issue if they really are shipping systems with bad BIOSes, or is your system very customized and unlikely to match anyone else's?
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10:07<nsadmin>so if it's not the bios, what's left...
10:07<nsadmin> - an (unfortunate) interaction between the sound driver and ahci
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10:07<nsadmin> - the hardware itself
10:08<nsadmin> - ahci
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10:08<nsadmin> - sound driver
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10:09<nsadmin>btw it seems strange to me that (for one) UDD/judd could say both of those drivers were needed for the sata pciid
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10:09<abcd82>how to fight with http://paste.debian.net/110867/ ? Can i "rm" them from /usr/share/mime/ ? they look like empty files "...Created automatically by update-mime-database...."
10:11<nsadmin>it's at minimum, eyebrow-raising to see you considering removing files that were put there by packages
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10:12<nsadmin>SynrG, while you're right about the strongest inquiry, we could at least find out what the alsa people are doing, whether they are aware of the "noone cared" message and whether they had any success
10:13<nsadmin>abcd82, having said that, you could rm anything you want on your computer... at least back up what you remove
10:14<nsadmin>I don't know if that will fix your problem
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10:16<abcd82>nsadmin: im asking for proper way, if they are generated automatically then if needed they will be generated one more time
10:17<nsadmin>and if not, you can still supposedly get them by purge/installing the package (a fairly extreme action tho)
10:17<abcd82>warnings showed up some time ago after update
10:17<nsadmin>what were the packages that were updated?
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10:22<abcd82>nsadmin: think it was shared-mime-info tried to reconfiguring it, but don't help
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10:27<nsadmin>what depends on it?
10:27<nsadmin>(maybe that's a lot of packages)
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10:30<SynrG>nsadmin: yes. even if we're right about the BIOS, it's likely someone reported this against alsa and/or the kernel ... and if not, then filing a report yourself wouldn't be such a bad idea.
10:32<nsadmin>as you or maybe mjt mentioned, there are web hits of the nobody cares message
10:33<nsadmin>what's the meaning of that btw?
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10:33<nsadmin>I tended to interpret it as "no one uses this thing anyway, so might as well not deal with it or fix it"
10:34<sergicion>hola?
10:34<sergicion>hello
10:34<SynrG>nsadmin: uh, no
10:34<sergicion>whaat?
10:34<sergicion>nsadmin
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10:34<sergicion>WHAT?
10:34<SynrG>my interpretation is "an interrupt happened here that is unhandled"
10:34<nsadmin>but does it mean something more like: "no device seems to have claimed this interrupt, so might as well turn it off"?
10:34<SynrG>right
10:35<SynrG>because there's a cost to looking around for someone to handle it ...
10:35<sergicion>plaese, u are English yes?
10:35<SynrG>and if nobody is going to handle it, then it gets disabled to save the system grief
10:35<sergicion>u r englishh?
10:35<sergicion> AAAA
10:35<sergicion>A
10:35<sergicion>A
10:35<sergicion>A
10:35<sergicion>A
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10:36<sergicion>uh no
10:36<SynrG>!es
10:36<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
10:36<sergicion>please don't kik me
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10:36<SynrG>!es-social
10:36<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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10:37<Owno>yoo
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10:38<nsadmin>ooey
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10:38<ono>sup
10:38<Owno>yoo freek
10:38<Owno>xD
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10:38<ono>faka
10:38<Owno>waka
10:38<ono>myon\
10:38<Owno>baka
10:38<ono>u balls stink
10:38<Owno>maaoohoho
10:38<Owno>lol\
10:38<Owno>fckyou\
10:38<ono>ty
10:38<ono>wana fuck me?
10:38<Owno>jemoederinderbadjas
10:38<ono>hard in mij ass
10:38<Owno>lekker
10:38<Owno>NOT
10:38<ono>ja he
10:38<ono></3
10:38<ono>faja
10:38<Owno>LUVVV YUUU NUT\
10:39<nsadmin>botfight!
10:39<ono>D;
10:39<Owno>NUTS
10:39<ono>noob\
10:39<ono>DOTS\
10:39<ono>KK BR OWNA '-'
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10:39<ono>DIASDGA\
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10:39<SynrG>!ops Owno ono spam
10:39<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: synrg complains about: Owno ono spam
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10:50<Maulkin>Charming
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10:52<ballison>Someone must have been really bored. Bot fights are so 1993.
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10:59<BadBoy>can somebody help me about clamav-daemon?
10:59<BadBoy>Starting ClamAV daemon: clamd ERROR: Unknown group clamav
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10:59<babilen>BadBoy: How did you install it? Which version of Debian are you using?
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11:00<BadBoy>debbian lenny and install via aptitude
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11:02<BadBoy>Debian Release: 5.0.8
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11:02<babilen>BadBoy: One second please.
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11:03<BadBoy>in etc_group is | clamav:x:120:clamav | amavis:x:112:clamav
11:03<BadBoy>thanx :)
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11:13<babilen>BadBoy: Could you edit (make a backup first) /etc/init.d/clamav-daemon and add "set -x" in the second line. After you've done this run "service clamav-daemon restart" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net
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11:14<BadBoy>ok
11:15<babilen>BadBoy: Have you changed the configuration somehow after the installation?
11:16<BadBoy>no change, have ISPConfig
11:17<BadBoy>i had purge amavisd-new, clamav and reinstall
11:18<babilen>BadBoy: You purged *all* clamav packages (for example: aptitude purge ~i~n^clamav) prior to reinstallation?
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11:19<BadBoy>it's too long, i cant copy, because i dont see the all
11:19<babilen>(And I have no idea if/how ispconfig fits into this)
11:19<BadBoy>i can copy only the end of
11:19<babilen>!tell BadBoy -about pastebinit
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11:20<sheila>?
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11:20<BadBoy>ok, i install :)
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11:22<babilen>BadBoy: Please also purge *all* packages and reinstall them and try again (safe, given that you haven't customised the configuration)
11:22<BadBoy>can i use this here: /etc/init.d/clamav-daemon restart | pastebinit
11:22<babilen>BadBoy: I would do: /etc/init.d/clamav-daemon restart | pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net
11:22<babilen>BadBoy: But both should work. :)
11:23<BadBoy>yes, i'm purge all packeges and after i delete calamav dirs from lib, logs, etc.
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11:24<BadBoy>babilen: Unknown website, please post a bugreport to request this pastebin to be added (http://paste.debian.net)
11:25<babilen>BadBoy: gah! (right lenny) -- ok, run it without the -b http:// .. :)
11:26<BadBoy>babilen: i ran it, and now?
11:27<babilen>BadBoy: Should have given you a URL, no?
11:27<OdyX>Hi. I booted a Squeeze server with a USB webcam plugged into it, I don't get a /dev/video0 device; while if I plug the same webcam to my Sid laptop, I do get a /dev/video0. I guess the difference is the moment I plug the USB webcam in, how can I get the /dev/video0 ?
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11:28<BadBoy>babilen: no url :( i try again
11:28<babilen>OdyX: Probably rather a problem of kernel supprot difference between .32 and .37
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11:29<BadBoy>babline: no url :( i ran: /etc/init.d/clamav-daemon restart | pastebinit paste.debian.net
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11:31<OdyX>babilen: let me try.
11:31<babilen>BadBoy: If that still doesn't give you an URL, just run "/etc/init.d/clamav-daemon restart &> foo" and paste the content of that file ..
11:32<babilen>OdyX: I would investigate support for the particular chipset
11:32<babilen>!tell OdyX -about webcam
11:32<babilen>OdyX: "lsusb" should also give you a USB ID which you can use to track down information on the particular device.
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11:33<babilen>BadBoy: (small tip) try "bab<TAB>" in you IRC client. (works for paths as well)
11:33<BadBoy>babilen: work :) just a moment, please
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11:35<BadBoy>babilen: right. the link: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/dbcd77e6/
11:36<SynrG>OdyX: and in general, try to control your variables better. 1. squeeze/sid 2. server/laptop 3. plugged/not plugged at boot
11:36<SynrG>OdyX: when testing any theory, try to change just one variable
11:37<OdyX>SynrG: I know, I know… The complete picture is more complicated: I had 2 minutes to boot the server and plug the webcam and it is now 5 minutes walk away from here.
11:37<OdyX>I think I'll give it a visit…
11:37<babilen>BadBoy: Ok, do you have a directory named "/var/log/clamav/" ? What about /var/log/clamav/clamav.log ?
11:37<OdyX>anyway, it didn't work with .37-2
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11:38<SynrG>OdyX: if you know better, you should take the time to do more rigorous tests before floating theories here, then :)
11:38<BadBoy>babilien: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/d547c5e8/
11:38<SynrG></lecture>
11:38<babilen>BadBoy: Did you try the reinstall mentioned earlier in the meanwhile?
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11:39<babilen>BadBoy: Try "bab<TAB>" please. That gives you nickname tab-completion in here :)
11:40<BadBoy>no, but, i try modify clamav and amavis user group
11:40<OdyX>SynrG: <rant>yes mum, I promise I'll do better</rant>
11:40<SynrG>heh
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11:40<BadBoy>babilien: no, but, i try modify clamav and amavis user group
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11:41<babilen>BadBoy: please, use the tab completion ... modify? Please, try a reinstallation (with the command i gave earlier, followed by "aptitude install clamav")
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11:44<BadBoy>babilen: reinstall all clamav package...and delete all clamav dirs?
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11:45<BadBoy>babilen: reinstall = uninstall
11:45<cobe571>with iceweasel I can not see the Japanese and Chinese characters. I also installed the necessary fonts and changed the encoding to UTF-8 but the result does not change. can anyone suggest a solution?
11:45<babilen>BadBoy: purge it
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11:47<BadBoy>babilen: right, a moment
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11:48<BadBoy>babilen i now purge all clamav and amavis-new packeges. purge other packeges?
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11:49<babilen>cobe571: Which fonts did you install? xfonts-intl-asian? What about some of the japanese ttf- ones? (Like ttf-hanazono,ttf-dejima-mincho,ttf-sazanami-gothic,ttf-sazanami-mincho, ... ... ...)
11:50<babilen>BadBoy: no (why?)
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11:50<BadBoy>babailen: avamis is stay in etc_group and etc_passwd
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11:50<cobe571>babilen: iceweasel fonts
11:50<babilen>cobe571: xfonts-intl-japanese (for a subset) -- Which iceweasel fonts are you talking about? Could you point me to the particular package?
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11:51<cobe571>babilen: iceweasel-l10n-ja iceweasel-l10n-zh-cn
11:51<babilen>BadBoy: Any messages about that?
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11:53<BadBoy>babilen: :) sorry
11:53<babilen>cobe571: Those are not fonts, but localisation (l10n == localisation) so you can run iceweasel and enjoy menus/dialogues in Japanese. Please install some/all of the packages I mentioned earlier. Or install xfonts-intl-asian + the ones you like from "apt-cache search ttf japanese"
11:53<babilen>BadBoy: Why do you apologise! Please apologise for apologising! ;)
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11:55<cobe571>babilen: I need only display the characters.
11:55<babilen>cobe571: yes, you need fonts for that.
11:56<BadBoy>babilen: Broken amavis system user found. To insure datasafety, it is up to you the local administrator to remove the broken amavis user, or repair it so that it is sane
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11:56<cobe571>babilen: i'll install then, thx you very much
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11:56<BadBoy>babilen: from aptitude install, clamav, that try install amavisd-new
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11:57<babilen>cobe571: The ttf-arphic- ones are also nice to have. I only speak Chinese, so I can't really give you good suggestions for Japanese fonts. The arphic ones are IMHO the best for Chinese, there are almost certainly others for chinese (think hiragana, katakana)
11:58<babilen>cobe571: err, "certainly others for *Japanese" ;)
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11:59<My-Computer>I've tried gwget wget transmission torrent and now I'm trying Firefox if this fails any ideas on how to download debian 6.0
11:59<cobe571>babilen: 谢谢
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11:59<babilen>BadBoy: Well, remove the user/group and traces of it. See deluser/delgroup
11:59<koollman>My-Computer: how does it fail ? with a specific error message ?
11:59<babilen>cobe571: 不客氣
12:00<My-Computer>file to large message koollman or input/output error in terminal wget
12:00<babilen>cobe571: You might want to ask in #debian-jp, but I am not sure if they are not preoccupied with more important problems than your fonts.
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12:01<koollman>My-Computer: so, that's not related to the way you're downloading the file. it's too large, probably for the filesystem you are writing it on
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12:01<My-Computer>koollman im downloading to a 16 gig flash drive
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12:01<babilen>BadBoy: I can't get rid of the feeling that you *have* done some manual configuration of clam/amavis related files/configurations. That error shouldn't happen
12:01<cobe571>babilen: i know
12:01<zhou>jkl
12:02<My-Computer>koollman ive also tried an 250 gig external
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12:03<koollman>My-Computer: that's not the problem. your disk is probably formatted with fat32 system (windows old file system). maximum file size on this is 4 GB
12:03<babilen>cobe571: Ah, the channel must be called differently.
12:03<babilen>cobe571: #debian-japanese ?
12:04<My-Computer>koollman ill try that never crossed my mind should I reformat to ext4 or what
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12:05<koollman>My-Computer: yes, ext4 or any other filesystem that handle large file correctly. (so, ext2, ext3, ext4, reiserfs, xfs, jfs, ntfs, ... basically anything, but not fat16 or fat32 or 'vfat' :) )
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12:05<babilen>cobe571: http://www.debian.or.jp/community/irc.html
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12:06<cobe571>babilen: thanks... ill see now
12:06<My-Computer>hmn thanx koollman I know I did download linux gamers on fat32 but it did take to many tries so ill go and try ext? now thanx bye
12:07<BadBoy>babilen: i purged all packeges about amavisd-new and clamav, and install form aptitude and end of install process error again: Starting ClamAV daemon: clamd ERROR: Unknown group clamav :(((
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12:09<babilen>cobe571: wonderful
12:09<babilen>BadBoy: horrible
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12:10<babilen>BadBoy: I am, however, taking a break now. You might find support by another person in here, or can try in #debian on irc.freenode.net if nobody is coming to help.
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12:11<BadBoy>babilen: thank you :)
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12:13<OdyX>SynrG: Okay, I made the tiny walk now
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12:14<OdyX>SynrG: I was right: if the USB cam is plugged in at boot time, I don't get a /dev/video0
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12:14<OdyX>SynrG: If I unplug-replug it, I get it.
12:14<OdyX>SynrG: (I upgraded the server to Wheezy inbetween, but it's still a problem)
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12:17<OdyX>SynrG: huh. It's even worse… Once it got plugged-in while running, it will get the …/video0, even if plugged across reboot. Weird
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12:20<LinuxITAP>hi
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12:21<LinuxITAP>please a little help
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12:22<LinuxITAP>under redhat i do rpm -qf file..under Debian?
12:22<LinuxITAP>dpkg -S namefile?
12:22<dpkg>Badgers ate my namefile!
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12:22<OdyX>LinuxITAP: you should not have to install *.deb packages by hand in Debian; use aptitude/apt-get .
12:22<OdyX>LinuxITAP: the answer is in man dpkg in case you really need to (but you really shouldn't)
12:23<LinuxITAP>OdyX: is not for install
12:23<LinuxITAP>for example
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12:24<LinuxITAP>i want to know wich package provide file /etc/example
12:24<LinuxITAP>in RH i did rpm -qf /etc/example
12:24<OdyX>LinuxITAP: oh, yeah, sorry. Then yes it's dpkg -S
12:24<LinuxITAP>ok
12:24<LinuxITAP>thanks,perfect
12:24<OdyX>LinuxITAP: but I was right in pointing you to the manpage. :-)
12:24<LinuxITAP>yes
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12:24<LinuxITAP>RTFM always right
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12:25<LinuxITAP>but i know it..only i forgot after months of rh :P
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12:25<LinuxITAP>someone from italy?
12:25<babilen>LinuxITAP: You might also want to take a look at apt-file or auto-apt (the latter is an apt nanny)
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12:25<SynrG>OdyX: even if plugged in across warm or cold reboot?
12:26<eof>LinuxITAP: #debian-it ;-)
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12:26<SynrG>OdyX: maybe some register is set when it is plugged in and detected and across a warm reboot this makes magic happen? :)
12:27<OdyX>SynrG: I'm currently investigating, so far it seems that "warm reboot" keeps the device, while cold boot doesn't.
12:27<SynrG>OdyX: i'd be shocked if plugging it in and the cold rebooting made it work on next boot. i think i'd also start to question the laws of physics
12:27<OdyX>SynrG: I'm now trying to change USB ports (suspecting power initialisation that might be weaker in front ports), but not much hope.
12:27<SynrG>mhm
12:28<OdyX>it's not that.
12:28<SynrG>puzzling
12:28<SynrG>so i guess we need to compare any messages seen at boot vs. when it's plugged in
12:28<SynrG>see if we can find clues
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12:29<yang_>这是哪?
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12:31<eof>LinuxITAP: btw, you can also use apt-file
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12:32<doubledutch>http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3928236/Linux+2638+Boosts+Performance.htm
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12:33<OdyX>SynrG: if you have an idea: http://paste.debian.net/110893/
12:34<Some_Person>Where can I find libavcodec-extra-52 for squeeze?
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12:37<SynrG>OdyX: possible module load order problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/+bug/543895
12:38<Class>hello why there is no gecko-mediaplayer packet for Lenny ?
12:38<Class>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gecko-mediaplayer
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12:41<themill>Class: it wasn't uploaded to debian until after lenny was frozen
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12:42<Class>themill, so how can i install ?
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12:43<petemc>Class: update to squeeze
12:43<themill>Class: you could try making your own package from the squeeze ones (/msg dpkg ssb) or upgrade to squeeze (/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze)
12:43<Class>i have old pentium 4 computer
12:43<sney`>so do I
12:43<Class>is it recommended to upgrade to squeeze
12:43<Class>?
12:44<sney`>squeeze isn't notably more resourc-intensive than lenny was
12:44<sney`>it's recommended you upgrade to the current stable if you can
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12:44<SynrG>Class: i've had no problems with squeeze on my Pentium III
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12:45<SynrG>in general, debian continues to work quite well with older hardware from release to release.
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12:45<themill>Class: my old celery runs just fine with squeeze.
12:45<Class>SynrG, do you use Gnome ?
12:45<SynrG>yes
12:45<Class>Wow
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12:50<kop>Class: Be sure you follow the release notes when upgradeing.
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12:54<irokease>Всем привет!
12:54<sney`>!ru
12:54<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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12:55<irokease>sney`: Why not?? ;)
12:56<sney`>hey, I don't make the rules, man
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12:59<irokease>What about uzbek language here? Does this channel have a uzbek branch or something? :)
12:59<sney`>I don't think so
12:59<doubledutch>!uz
13:02<irokease>Got that... "!everything_but_en" mostly accords to the rules here.. :)
13:02<gg>how to call c programs in django
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13:05<babilen>gg: Try #django over at irc.freenode.net
13:05<gg>thanks
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13:08<tidux>I just installed Testing/Wheezy on an old desktop, and I have a slight mouse problem
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13:08<tidux>it's a PS/2 mouse with a scroll wheel
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13:08<tidux>using the scroll wheel as such works fine
13:08<tidux>but I can't get middle-click working
13:09<tidux>hmm
13:09<tidux>wait
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13:09<tidux>applications can detect middle-clicks
13:09<tidux>it's just my window manager that can't
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13:10<doubledutch>tidux; are you using KDE? http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=30042
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13:10<tidux>fluxbox
13:11<tidux>upon further inspection it's probably an issue with ~/.fluxbox/keys
13:11<mhdhacker>hi
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13:15<tidux>doubledutch: it turns out it was just a config change from one version of fluxbox to the next
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13:15<tidux>I expected middle-click to do something
13:16<tidux>but control-leftclick did it instead
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13:20<LinuxITAP>zz
13:21<doubledutch>tidux; ctrl+leftClick is similar to the Macintosh way of doing things - I would have Debian on a MacBook Pro RIGHT NOW but unfortunately the reason I did not make the purchase was simple: NO HOME/END BUTTONS?!
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13:28<Some_Person>Where can I find libavcodec-extra-52 for squeeze?
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13:31<babilen>Some_Person: That package is not in Debian.
13:32<retrospectacus>Some_Person, you cannot. There is libavcodec52
13:32<Some_Person>retrospectacus: Which is compiled with many codecs disabled
13:32<babilen>!tell Some_Person -about package recompile
13:32<babilen>Some_Person: Or check dmm -- /msg dpkg dmm -- They might have packages already.
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13:33<retrospectacus>Some_Person: The one from dmm has more codecs, I believe
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13:33<Some_Person>I'm already using dmm
13:33<Some_Person>and I'm having missing codec problems
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13:34<anaknaga>ini
13:34<SynrG>take it up with them, then?
13:34<anaknaga>jjkjjj
13:34<anaknaga>is beta
13:35<retrospectacus>!tell anaknaga about smart questions
13:35*anaknaga slaps Yondaime around a bit with a large trout
13:35<Yondaime>yes
13:36<Some_Person>anaknaga: You're not using mIRC, are you?
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13:36<sney`>sure looks that way.
13:37<retrospectacus>!lart anaknaga
13:37*dpkg steals anaknaga's mojo
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13:39<tedp>What's the host where I can find new packages that haven't been picked up by mirrors yet? I want to get the linux 2.6.38-1 package that was uploaded today but doesn't appear on ftp.us.debian.org
13:40<SynrG>there isn't. until it passes NEW queue, it has not been deemed fit for redistribution
13:40<SynrG>and it's typical that kernel packages take longer than others to hit the archives
13:40<SynrG>so just be patient and wait
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13:40<tedp>ok thanks
13:40<anaknaga>jancokkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
13:41<doubledutch>I know that lamaresh.net is unsupported in this channel. !wine tells me to go to WineHQ for assistance but they only support 1.2 and 1.3. lamaresh.net provides repos but uses them in Lenny=Stable/Squeeze=Testing context. Without the repo, Wheezy (which I am running) provides 1.0.1, so is there a known repo that any of you are using for Wheezy? Failing that, what's the most "Debian" way of thinking to tackle this?
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13:41<retrospectacus>anaknaga: congrats, you've been ignored
13:41<themill>anaknaga: can we help you with a debian user support question?
13:41<Yondaime>yes anaknaga
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13:42<sney`>doubledutch: iirc, the reason wine hasn't been updated in the debian repos is because it fails to build on amd64. so you should be able to roll your own (/msg dpkg ssb & uupdate) with the upstream packages if you're on i386
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13:43<doubledutch>sney`; You're the God of all God amongst men. Thanks!
13:43<sney`>no guarantees
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14:02<juliuspringles>is anyone else having issues with gnome freezing with the mouse still usable? I can move the mouse, click on things (opening a file causes the mouse to do it's loading animation, but no window pops up) but i can't select windows and clicking on things or typing has no effect. ctrl-alt-f[n] still works
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14:02<juliuspringles>ctrl-alt-backspace gets me a black screen with a mouse. /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart gets me the same black screen with a mouse. ctrl-alt-f2ing and running top gives me nothing unusual
14:02<juliuspringles>thanks :)
14:03<sney`>sounds like an issue with, um, whatever the gnome window manager is called these days
14:03<juliuspringles>alright, do you know how i'd go about troubleshooting this?
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14:07<sney`>juliuspringles: sorry, I don't really know enough about gnome to say for sure, but maybe try a different window manager just to see if the problem goes away?
14:07<juliuspringles>i'll try that, thanks
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14:09<sney`>lxde and wmaker are both dependency-light and would install quickly just to check it
14:09<LinuxITAP>quit
14:09<LinuxITAP>bye
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14:21<kruz_>hello everybody ^_^
14:21<sney`>hi
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14:34<scisteffan>Hey
14:34<retrospectacus>sup
14:35<scisteffan>Just testing colloquy on iPhone. About to install debian on MacBook pro
14:35<retrospectacus>sounds like good times
14:35<retrospectacus>!macbook pro
14:35<dpkg>The MacBook Pro is a laptop series produced by Apple Inc., succeeding the PowerBook G4. http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro . See also Debian bug #600305, <laptop>.
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14:37<Emery>I'm getting this error from apt after i install tuxguitar
14:37<Emery>FATAL: Module snd_seq_oss not found.
14:37<Emery>Google doesnt seem to be giving me much info
14:37<Emery>Any ideas on the problem
14:38<doubledutch>scisteffan: I was talking about that earlier - there's no HOME/END keys!
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14:39<SynrG>and no turbo button!
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14:40<SynrG>macs have apparently evolved beyond the need for Home/End :)
14:40<sney`>Emery: apt doesn't usually give module errors. what exactly are you doing that gives that error message?
14:40<Emery>well after apt finish the install i got that message
14:41<SynrG>if someone donated an MBP to me, i think i'd learn somehow to do without Home/End ;)
14:41<sney`>SynrG: word
14:41<doubledutch>I've just acquired a SUN v100 - it doesn't have a video card, just serial/ALOM ports. What should I use it for? Debian+WebHosting? Any other ideas?
14:41<sney`>doubledutch: are you sure it doesn't have a 13W3 video out?
14:42<kruz>Emery, it seems tuxguitar may need alsa-oss
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14:45<doubledutch>sney`: http://www.kisala.com/ebaypics2009/26438-26DSC04728.JPG
14:45<SynrG>kruz, Emery: odd, since it seems to come in -alsa and -oss flavours, and only the -oss one depends on oss-compat
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14:45<Emery>SynrG, idk the sound doesnt work in tuxguitar though
14:46<SynrG>wait, oss-compat ~= alsa-oss
14:46<SynrG>er, !=
14:46<sney`>doubledutch: ah, indeed. is that sparc64?
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14:47<SynrG>alsa-oss is new to me
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14:51<doubledutch>sney`: UltraSPARC IIi 550MHz
14:53<sney`>well, it could be better, but ultrasparc is still pretty fantastic. yeah, run a web server on it, or something
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14:58<kruz>SynrG, I'm assuming that it would require alsa-oss as Debian I think uses alsa by default and his error message said snd_seq_oss
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14:58<kruz>on both of my debian systems I don't have a module loaded that contains the string oss
14:59<sney`>kruz: that's right, alsa replaced oss ages ago.
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15:00<kruz>Emery, http://tuxguitar.herac.com.ar/tgwiki/doku.php?id=doc:no_sound
15:00<Emery>ahh sweet thanks man
15:00<SynrG>easily testable anyway, and if it is due to missing alsa-oss, file a bug (check first for an existing one) about the broken dependency
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15:07<kruz>Emery, apparently there's also a plugin for ALSA http://tuxguitar.herac.com.ar/tgwiki/doku.php?id=doc:tuxguitar_alsa
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15:16<slept>update-notifier suggests to install ubuntu-system-service , wtf ?
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15:27<M0hamed>I had a question
15:27<M0hamed>whom to talk to about GSoc
15:27<M0hamed>for debian
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15:36<sney`>M0hamed: #debian-soc apparently
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15:45<M0hamed>sney: ok thanks
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15:50<stephane>hello everyone,
15:50<sney`>hello
15:50<M0hamed>hello
15:51<stephane>I sent an email to a package developper but I received an error form the email server
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15:51<stephane>as there were another DD in cc, I think the problem is probably in debian server
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15:52<stephane>I'd like to contact lthe postmaster but I didn't found any address on the web site
15:52<stephane>the best I found is in http://www.debian.org/intro/organization
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15:53<stephane>or sysamdin -- <debian-admin@lists.debian.org>
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15:53<stephane>Do you have any idea?
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15:57<argkde4>i have some lag on middle click, even though "Evdev Middle Button Emulation" is off, is there something else i should look at?
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15:59<deux>hi everyone
15:59<deux>i already installed the 2.6.37 kernel on my testing dist
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16:00<deux>can i say that this kernel (from the deb repos) is also totally free?
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16:00<deux>as in - the debian teem already cleaned it from all the non-free stuff?
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16:02<andrewsh>hello everyone
16:03<andrewsh>Is it possible to use the recent Debian with 2.4 kernel? I mean, how many problems may I encounter doing this?
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16:04<faheem>andrewsh: why do you want to?
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16:05<andrewsh>faheem: I have a hardware that's not supported in 2.6
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16:05<faheem>andrewsh: hardware that was dropped?
16:06<andrewsh>no, it was never supported officially
16:06<andrewsh>and the driver is binary-only :(
16:06<faheem>would probably be easier to buy supported hardware
16:06<faheem>andrewsh: eek
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16:06<faheem>what part is not supported?
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16:06<andrewsh>a Wi-Fi card.
16:06<faheem>andrewsh: oh. just buy another one, i'd say
16:07<andrewsh>not really a solution.
16:07<faheem>andrewsh: it isn't?
16:07<andrewsh>it isn't, unfortunately :(
16:07<andrewsh>I have two choices:
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16:08<andrewsh>i) run another custom distro there
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16:08<andrewsh>ii) try to run Debian, but have troubles with wifi
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16:08<andrewsh>I want to run Debian and have wifi :)
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16:09<xun>Im trying to set up my busybox to use a static IP on boot and cannot figure out how to do it, Im using the default setup in squeeze with dropbear/busybox in initrd
16:09<eof>andrewsh: install sarge ;)
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16:10<andrewsh>eof: where can I find any information on which parts are really 2.4-dependant?
16:10<faheem>andrewsh: er, why can't you use another wifi card?
16:10<andrewsh>I don't really need neither udev no hal there
16:10<andrewsh>faheem: hard-to-replace, in one word
16:10<andrewsh>s/no/nor/
16:11<faheem>andrewsh: bummer
16:11<phillipsjk>andrewsh have you looked at http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper (using the windows driver)?
16:11<faheem>andrewsh: i don't think you have any good options, at least at the software end.
16:11<andrewsh>phillipsjk: it's MIPS.
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16:11<faheem>andrewsh: and you might get it working, but unless your time is of little value...
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16:12<phillipsjk>andrewsh is this a laptop/subnotebook?
16:12<andrewsh>nope :)
16:12<andrewsh>it's a router.
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16:13<andrewsh>yes, it may look funny
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16:14<rpetre>andrewsh: you might have better luck trying to contact the mips porters (i'm not sure there is a #debian-mips channel, but there has to be a mips mailing list), they might now better about your hardware
16:14<adb>andrewsh, may try openwrt on it ...
16:15<adb>mine router is mips too
16:16<faheem>adb: is openwrt debian based?
16:16<adb>no
16:16<andrewsh>adb: there's a little performance difference between minimalistic Debian and OpenWRT indeed
16:16<faheem>adb: ok
16:17<adb>all systen stay on /root 3.1M ...
16:17<andrewsh>but being able to install almost any Debian package is a big plus
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16:17<andrewsh>adb: I have no problem with disk space, indeed.
16:17<andrewsh>oops
16:17<andrewsh>too many indeeds.
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16:20<adb>all system is on flash so in RAM , no moving parts , use less power ..
16:20<faheem>i didn't realise one could install vanilla debian on routers
16:20<faheem>or is it vanilla debian?
16:21<andrewsh>I want to use this device as something more than just a router
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16:22<andrewsh>that's why I'm thinking of Debian on it
16:22<faheem>i currently use tomato
16:22<faheem>not sure what that is based on
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16:25<phillipsjk>andrewsh, have though of porting what other applications you want to the distro currently installed on the router?
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16:26<phillipsjk>I don't have an answer to your original question becuase I don't know if the latest debian was tested with the 2.4 kernel.
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16:28<andrewsh>phillipsjk: possibly. but after I using Emdebian on some of my ARM devices, I found it not much slower than anything specifically embedded, but much easier to use
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16:30<xun>How would I go about setting a static IP in initramfs-tools, the DHCP in busybox doesnt work as I want :(
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16:51<bluenemo>do you guys know of a good calculator? need sth for advanced math..
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16:52<Lethalman>bluenemo, I use wxmaxima for calculus, scilab/octave for other stuff
16:52<jhutchins_lt>bluenemo: aptitude search ~dcalculator
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16:53<bluenemo>thx guys
16:53<bluenemo>qalculate looks good from the sourceforge pics
16:54<bluenemo>this one is more than i need :)
16:54<bluenemo>looks quite nice
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16:58<AgentC>good evening friends
16:58<AgentC>:-)
16:59<AgentC>is there a software for debian which can record mpeg streams from a webcam ?
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17:00<andrewsh>there is.
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17:03<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: Several.
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17:04<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: cool, for exmaple? i want to make a small record of an occiloscope output
17:04<marcot>Hi. Is there a command to check if a package is installed (including virtual packages)?
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17:05<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: ffmpeg
17:05<AgentC>marcot: dpkg -l | grep -i YOURPAGENAME
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17:05<jhutchins_lt>marcot: dpkg -l <search string>
17:05<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: is there a GUI? how to use it ?.
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17:06<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: aptitude install ffmpeg & man ffmpeg
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17:06<marcot>Those don't work for virtual packages.
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17:06<jhutchins_lt>marcot: Yes they do.
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17:06*AgentC have to go to for small programmers
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17:06<andrewsh>AgentC: mplayer/mencoder can
17:07<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: No idea if there's a gui.
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17:07<andrewsh>like: mplayer tv:// if you want to just 'watch a webcam' (like 'watch TV')
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17:08<andrewsh>and mencoder tv:// -oac ... -ovc ... -o ... -ofps ...
17:08<andrewsh>to record
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17:10<AgentC>think that usb-device is on /dev/video0 , so what i have to do to capture its output to a mpeg/avi or whatever stream? :)
17:10<andrewsh>23:07:59 < andrewsh> and mencoder tv:// -oac ... -ovc ... -o ... -ofps ...
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17:11<andrewsh>It works (c) apache2
17:11<andrewsh>Tested.
17:11<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: Seriously, it doesn't hurt to look at the manpage.
17:11<andrewsh>sometimes you have to tune fps/ofps, though
17:11<AgentC>andrewsh: what means "..."
17:11<andrewsh>AgentC: it means
17:11<AgentC>andrewsh: im installing it
17:12<andrewsh>'For details, refer to the manpage'.
17:12*AgentC tries
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17:13<andrewsh>instead of -oac ... you also may use -nosound for the first time
17:15<AgentC>andrewsh: i saw man page, tons of parameters, for short time, what i have to do for capture /dev/video0 as mpeg to file /dir/xyz until ctrl-c ?
17:15<AgentC>andrewsh: i ask you, cause i just need a video-capture on the fly.
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17:16<AgentC>hmpf
17:16<AgentC>;=)
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17:16<AgentC>andrewsh: so -o seems to mean output ?
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17:18<scisteffan>Hey, I've just installed squeeze to MacBook pro (dual boot w/ refit and GRUB installed to /dev/sda3. Then I rebooted into Linux and grub asked for a boot disk. I realised my Gpt and mbr were out of sync so ran gptsync. Now grub says filesystem not recognised and goes into rescue mode :(
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17:21<AgentC>andrewsh: thanx, but server crashed
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17:24<manitou>hi is it enough if i put ipv6 in blacklist ?
17:25<retrospectacus>!noipv6
17:25<dpkg>To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
17:25<manitou>thx
17:25<retrospectacus>sure thing
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17:26<manitou>and it works 100% retrospectacus ?
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17:27<retrospectacus>no idea mate
17:28<retrospectacus>tias
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17:28<marcot>jhutchins_lt: un mail-transport-agent <none> (no description available)
17:28<marcot>jhutchins_lt: Is this what I'm supposed to get with installed virtual packages?
17:28<andrewsh>manitou: better /j #ipv6 and find out how to set it up properly
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17:29<planet8>I have just tried to login to a remote ssh box running debian squeeze, and I got this error which I have never seen before: http://pastebin.com/hxcLx8VN
17:29<planet8>What exactly does it mean? HD problems?
17:29<retrospectacus>planet8: yes. :(
17:29<AgentC>andrewsh / all : when i start mencoder /dev/video0 -nosound -ovc lavc -ofps 30 -o /filename.avi ... i got message cannot see backward in linear streams! , seek failed. what does that mean? btw: no outputfile was created.
17:30<retrospectacus>AgentC, of course you can't seek in a live stream
17:30<planet8><retrospectacus>, yikes
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17:31<AgentC>retrospectacus: what made i wrong? i only want to record the videooutput of the webcam.
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17:31<retrospectacus>AgentC: -o /path/you/can/write.avi
17:32<retrospectacus>you can probably not write to /filename.avi
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17:33<AgentC>retrospectacus: i made -o /arc/videotest.avi , where /arc is a mounted ext3 fileserving hdd, mencoder runs on root-permissions
17:33<retrospectacus>you will also want -of avi
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17:33<retrospectacus>maybe toss -idx on there
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17:34*AgentC triees
17:35<retrospectacus>I'm not sure about recording live, how to specify how long to record for..
17:36<AgentC>retrospectacus: mencoder /dev/video0 -ovc lavc -ofps 25 -o /arc/outputfile.avi
17:37<AgentC>retrospectacus: output is:
17:37<retrospectacus>I don't see -of avi -idx (output format: avi; index)
17:38<AgentC>retrospectacus: MEncoder xxxxxx, success: format: 0 data: 0x0 - 0x0 , cannot seek backward in linear streams!, seek failed. (-> i try -of .....)
17:38<planet8>Is there some way I can see a log of hd failure/problems? Should this not turn up in a log perhaps? The drive seems to work okay, but there has been occasional problems with freezes and I didn't suspect the HD before.
17:38<retrospectacus>also run as normal user: mplayer /dev/video0 - works?
17:38<retrospectacus>planet8: dmesg
17:39<retrospectacus>planet8: /var/log/syslog
17:39<planet8><retrospectacus>, would that be something like "i/o" error or likewise?
17:39<AgentC>retrospectacus: i didnt worked under x, i'll try.
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17:40<manitou>where is menu.lst in debian ? where is grub at all ? ( not new to linux just install first time debian )
17:41<retrospectacus>planet8, yeah
17:41<manitou>i need to add line in
17:41<retrospectacus>manitou: now we have grub2. edit /etc/default/grub2 ( I think)
17:41<planet8><retrospectacus>, an error like "Resume from disk failed", could just indicate that the box had been forced to shutdown right?
17:42<retrospectacus>manitou: /msg dpkg grub2
17:42<retrospectacus>planet8: that's normal. It tried to resume from hibernation, found no hibernate image and booted normally instead
17:42<manitou>i see only /etc/default/grub
17:42<retrospectacus>that's it
17:43<planet8><retrospectacus>, thanks you very much for your time!
17:43<retrospectacus>planet8: sure :)
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17:43<manitou>retrospectacus: update-grub is needed ?
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17:43<retrospectacus>manitou: yep!
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17:44<manitou>sry for (maybe) stupid Q but new world for me after opensuse :) retrospectacus
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17:45<retrospectacus>no worries manitou
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17:45<AgentC>retrospectacus: also on mplayer /dev/video0 it says the same, seek failed.
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17:46<AgentC>retrospectacus: dunno, Failed to open LIRC support
17:47<AgentC>retrospectacus: such apps like "motion" works 100% ok
17:47<AgentC>retrospectacus: with same webcam device
17:47<retrospectacus>ignore the LIRC errors, just means you have no remote control set up
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17:48<manitou>have some issues with rt3070sta , trying to find out what is it !!! first try to disable ipv6 and strange lines in dmesg
17:48<retrospectacus>I think the syntax is different for webcam. Supposed to be mplayer tv:///dev/video0 or v4l://1 or soemthing like that, not just the path to the device
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17:50<retrospectacus>AgentC: http://tinyurl.com/68gzdb4
17:50<AgentC>retrospectacus: i send you a paste
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17:52<AgentC>retrospectacus: on try with tv:/// was that result : http://paste.debian.net/110911/
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17:53<andrewsh>AgentC: just tv://
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17:54<andrewsh> mplayer tv://[channel][/input_id] [options]
17:54<andrewsh>that's from the manpage
17:54<andrewsh>read it
17:54<andrewsh>it's brilliant
17:54<eof>:]
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17:55<andrewsh>heh
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17:55<retrospectacus>AgentC, yeah we are not your personal manpage/google readers
17:55<andrewsh>how disabling ipv6 may help in fighting with rt3070sta?
17:56<AgentC>retrospectacus: no, i dont think so
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18:41<LucasFS>did filesystem.squashfs with lzma compression "-comp lzma" in bad boot is now causing me a kernel panic
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18:51<retrospectacus>LucasFS: generally a bad idea to use exotic filesystems for /boot - stick with ext2 IMHO
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18:52<rss>LucasFS, retrospectacus : I agree stck to with what works. If something goes wrong you have not bricked the system
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18:54<rss>LucasFS, what I mean is experiment away, just make sure you have rescue disk / cdrom /usb stick that that can boot!
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19:10<tharkun>Gentlemen why is dspam not in squeeze?
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19:11<streuner__>judd, versions dspam
19:11<judd>Package dspam on i386 -- lenny: 3.6.8-9; sid: 3.6.8-9.3
19:11<sney`>!why is dspam not in testing
19:11<dpkg>dspam is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=dspam
19:11<streuner__>well, i guess because of RC thingie
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19:12<streuner__>you prolly get more infos via packages.debian.org/dspam and look whats going on
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19:13<streuner__>tharkun: you are able to just make a simple sid backport any time
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19:14<babilen>tharkun: Check the PTS -- typically reasons for its REMOVAL are listed. Am a bit bandwith constrained now and can't check, sorry.
19:14<streuner__>babilen: why?
19:14<streuner__>tharkun: forget what i said about RC...
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19:21<tharkun>babilen: thanks i checked the BTS and it seems that upstream got involved in maintaining it
19:22<tharkun>streuner__: RC thingie?
19:22<streuner__>tharkun: that was the wrong answer, i misread your question (squeeze)...
19:23<tharkun>ok, no problemo
19:23<streuner__>tharkun: release critical bugs...
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20:08<Stryker>any1 here?
20:08<dEhiN>yes why?
20:08<Stryker>i need help with my live cd
20:08<Stryker>it is based on debian
20:09<streuner__>well, you are prolly in the wrong channel then
20:09<dEhiN>ok, what's up? just ask your question
20:09<dEhiN>o really?
20:09<dEhiN>why?
20:09<streuner__>dpkg, based on debian
20:09<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
20:09<dEhiN>isn't the debian live cd supported here?
20:09<Stryker>i cannot get into the gui because the resolution is too high
20:09<dEhiN>ok I get it
20:09<streuner__>sure, but he talked about based on debian
20:10<dEhiN>Stryker, if your live cd is the debian one, then we can help
20:10<dEhiN>but if it's based on debian with your own changes, we can't help
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20:10<Stryker>yes it is, it just has added packages
20:10<Stryker>this does not concern those packages
20:10<Stryker>this concerns xorg
20:10<streuner__>what kind of live-
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20:11<streuner__>what kind of live-cd do you use?
20:11<Stryker>my kind
20:11<Stryker>anyways
20:11<Stryker>i need to configure xorg thru command line
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20:11<Stryker>how do i stop x
20:12<Stryker>without alt ctrl backspace
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20:13<Eulenspiegel69>Stryker: I do not know what wm you use. In openbox I right click desktop and press "Exit"
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20:14<Stryker>the resolution is too high, that my screen (old) cannot support it
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20:15<Stryker>plz help me, it is just a debian cd with added browsers
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20:17<Stryker>i remember this had happened to me before and i used a command that would bring up a blue screen with a tan box where i could select my resolution
20:18<Eulenspiegel69>Stryker: what window manager / desktop environment do you use?
20:18<Stryker>kde
20:19<phillipsjk>strykey if you are using a display manager you stop the display manager. (kdm, gdm, xdm)
20:19<Stryker>i cannot see the environment cuz my monitor does not show the gui as the display output is too big
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20:19<Eulenspiegel69>Stryker: I suggest you to go on Freenode and ask your question in #KDE
20:19<Stryker>how do i stop it
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20:20<Eulenspiegel69>stop what?
20:20<Stryker>for sum reason, sirc doesn't want to do that
20:20<Stryker>how do i make sirc connect to freenode
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20:20<streuner__>kill -9 <pid of kdm>
20:20<phillipsjk>somthing like /etc/rc.d/kdm stop
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20:21<Eulenspiegel69>Stryker: Is your status bar at the top outside the range of your monitor or what is the problem?
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20:21<streuner__>Stryker: /connect irc.freenode.net; /join #kde, but that isnt what you need
20:21<Stryker>no, my monitor says [out of range]
20:21<chahibi>REⱭЯUM
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20:21<streuner__>LIVE-CDs usually make that auto
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20:22<streuner__>but we need to know, what you are using
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20:22<streuner__>what kind of LIVE-CD do you use?
20:23<streuner__>there are billions of LIVE-CDs out there...
20:23<streuner__>and maybe more channels about...
20:23<Stryker>doesn't matter
20:24<streuner__>well, just look at the website about, there should be an entry for a channel
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20:24<Stryker>it automatically sets it to my card's max res, but my screen cant take it
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20:24<Stryker>how do i stop x?
20:24<streuner__>we told you
20:24<streuner__>just kill kdm
20:25<phillipsjk>do you know about [crtl] [alt] [f1-5]?
20:25<Eulenspiegel69>Stryker: I do not know the process name. Just type "killall kd"; press tab a few times and see what it shows
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20:25<Stryker>k
20:26<Stryker>it isn't doing anything
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20:26<Stryker>yes phillips
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20:27<Stryker>i am on f4 right now
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20:28<Eulenspiegel69>Stryker: so you use a console irc client?
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20:28<Stryker>yeah
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20:28<streuner__>dpkg, info sirc
20:28<Stryker>using sirc right now, but i prefer irssi
20:30*themill wonders if dpkg should cluebat people using its "info" function and remind them to use judd instead.
20:30<themill>,info sirc
20:30<judd>Package sirc (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: The full-featured Perl IRC client. Version: 2.211-9.1; Size: 104.3k; Installed: 396k
20:30<streuner__>judd, file sirc
20:30<judd>sirc in squeeze/i386: sirc: usr/bin/sirc, usr/lib/sirc/dsirc, usr/share/menu/sirc
20:31<streuner__>themill: keep in mind, iam not familar with judd at all
20:31<themill>streuner__: after how many years‽
20:31<streuner__>themill: but its helpful, true
20:31<Stryker>,info irssi
20:31<judd>Package irssi (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: terminal based IRC client. Version: 0.8.15-2; Size: 1064.6k; Installed: 2856k; Homepage: http://irssi.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/irssi
20:31<streuner__>themill: old habits die hard :-P
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20:32<Stryker>dpkg killall
20:32<dpkg>somebody said killall was a bad idea on non GNU platforms, or ok on BSD, too
20:33<Stryker>^doesn't make sense
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20:34<Stryker>dpkg xorg
20:34<dpkg>X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The release packaged for Squeeze is X11R7.5. To install, ask me about <install x>. To configure, ask me about <xorg config>. To remove, ask about <remove x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQ #xorg on irc.freenode.net.
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20:34<Stryker>dpkg xorg config
20:34<dpkg>From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config squeeze> <xorg config lenny>.
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20:35<Stryker>dpkg xorg config lenny
20:35<dpkg>In lenny, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf> but if you need to, you can use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout. If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template.
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20:35<streuner__>Stryker: please just /msg the bot, thanks
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20:38<streuner__>Stryker: and *PLEASE* join the channel where the LIVE-CD is supported, most of us have no idea at all (usually) about...
20:39<Stryker>dpkg knows more than u
20:39<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, Stryker
20:39<Stryker>lol
20:39<themill>!enough
20:39<dpkg>Please stop fondling my database in public! I have some degree of modesty, you know. If you want to look for factoids, ask me in a /msg, for example, /msg dpkg bot help
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20:40<Stryker>how do i kill x?
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20:41<streuner__>Stryker: in my experiences, usually a LIVE-CD makes everything auto, so it should be a bug, and thats a special issue for those people then...
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20:42<Stryker>i would think it is common knowledge on how to stop x
20:42<Stryker>dpkg common knowledge
20:42<dpkg>Stryker: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
20:42<streuner__>Stryker: we arent in #linux
20:42<themill>Stryker: in debian live? no idea. #debian-live might no.
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20:43<themill>err *know
20:43<themill>Stryker: I presume you've tried things like "invoke-rc.d gdm stop" (vary for whatever dm you're using there)
20:43<streuner__>he using a LIVE-CD based on Debian...
20:44<streuner__>but he dont let us know what he using, it should be a big secret
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20:45<streuner__>You dont help yourself or us, when you dont let us know about details....
20:45<Stryker>i am keeping it as a secret cuz it is a secret system, i say no more
20:46<retrospectacus>cuz if we knew what distro he was using we would probably just tell him to go to their n00b-infested channel
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20:46<Stryker>no i haven't tried that type of stuff
20:46<streuner__>sure
20:46<streuner__>but should we able to read his mind?
20:46<streuner__>retrospectacus: its the only solution, AFAIK
20:47<Stryker>btw, there is a channel, and there is only 3 people that are afk there
20:47<themill>Stryker: the answer depends on how your live-cd is set up and how X was compiled. Please as in the appropriate place.
20:47<streuner__>as i said before, its prolly a bug, because live-CDs usually make everything auto...
20:47<retrospectacus>ofc... we know how debian works, not (whatever)
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20:49<Stryker>oh well, i will sit here afk then
20:49<Stryker>waiting for an answer
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21:57<jhutchins_lt>Stryker: Not gonna happen.
21:58<jhutchins_lt>Stryker: Seriously, your answer is all over the interwebs.
21:58<jhutchins_lt>Stryker: Possibly even at freedesktop.org
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22:52<george_>Just made a new install of Debian Squeeze 6.0.0 stable and there's a tiny issue i got
22:52<george_>its this loud buzz sound
22:53<george_>during reboot or shutdown
22:53<george_>it scares the crap out of me
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23:05<george_>please anybody? Debian feels good on my netbook and im not losing it
23:06<DrSampler>whats your problem
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23:08<george_>oh
23:08<george_>in every reboot
23:08<george_>or shutdown
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23:08<george_>i hear this loud buzz sound
23:09<george_>its like my speaker blows up 0.o
23:09<george_>but it doesnt n_n
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23:14<george_>If anyone here has a solution for the loud buzz sound during reboot/shutdown please send me a msg c:
23:15<DrSampler>then disable it
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23:15<DrSampler>or change sound to something else...
23:17<george_>hmm, ok
23:17<mint>OK so I just tried to install Debian and it won't boot. This was after I put in the live CD and installed it. The error message says: "Loading, please wait... Target filesystem doesn't have request /sbin/init./bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off" What do I do? :(
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23:19<DrSampler>dunno about kde, as for Gnome, changing login sounds is somewhere at System-Preferences-Startup Apps
23:19<DrSampler>as i remember
23:19<george_>hey i put on my headphones and the buzz sound goes through the headphones
23:19<george_>so it cant be the comp's beep
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23:20<george_>and mint which install did u download?
23:20<mint>anyone? :|
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23:20<mint>live cd
23:20<mint>gnome 32 bit
23:20<mint>on a usb thumb flash drive
23:20<george_>USB or cd?
23:20<george_>ooooh
23:21<mint>has that been buggy? :(
23:21<george_>idk, i installed the Debian CD install
23:21<george_>try the Debian install CD
23:21<mint>will try the netinst CD
23:21<george_>it worked for my hp mini
23:22<mint>this doesnt make me happy :(
23:22<george_>mint, try the Debian install CD
23:22<george_>really
23:22<george_>its worth the download trust me
23:22<mint>is that the official cd?
23:22<mint>oh
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23:23<george_>i installed today anyways
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23:24<george_>heres the link mint
23:24<george_>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/
23:24<george_>just select the first CD
23:25<mint>does it come with GUI and gnome?
23:25<george_>yea :D
23:25<george_>during the install u got the option
23:26<george_>the CD is debian-6.0.0-i386-CD-1.iso
23:26<dEhiN>unless you have a 64-bit processor
23:26<mint>does it work on a DVD-R?
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23:26<dEhiN>yes
23:26<george_>of course
23:26<mint>crap nvm
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23:29<mint>maybe I should go back to linux mint >_<
23:29<george_>hey
23:29<dEhiN>why crap?
23:30<dEhiN>do you have a 64-bit processor?
23:30<george_>i was a linux mint user
23:30<mint>because my computer cant burn CD's
23:30<mint>err dvds i mean
23:30<george_>ooh
23:30<george_>do u have a windows pc somewhere?
23:30<dEhiN>does your computer have network access?
23:30<mint>network access? i dont know exactly what you mean by that
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23:31<george_>cause the universal usb thing can make install DVDs out of any iso
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23:31<dEhiN>like is your computer connected to the internet (through a router perhaps)?
23:32<mint>yeah i tried that george_ :( it gave me an error message on my first boot after installation
23:32<mint>The error message says: "Loading, please wait... Target filesystem doesn't have request /sbin/init./bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off"
23:32<dEhiN>if so, you can use the mini.iso, which is a cd size or smaller
23:32<george_>yea, plus its a quick download
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23:32<mint>well i have a netinst CD already burned so im going to try that next unless someone can help me with my USB thumb drive not working
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23:33<mint>and then after that im hanging myself
23:33<mint>j/k
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23:47<dke>does anyone installs openqrm on debian squeeze ?
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